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But yeah, like what are they even going to use

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the Cosmos for? Like there's one moment where

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it's like, oh, we can use them for publicity.

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It's like, is that the entire reason you're doing

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this? That seems like a terrible idea. And for

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how long? Right. What's the board going to say?

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What's Becky at accounting going to say? This

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has, this can't, you can't get away with this.

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Yeah. Their stock prices are going to plummet.

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Yeah. Can't just do that. Right. Hello, everybody,

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and welcome to Camp Kaiju Monster Movie Podcast.

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We are your hosts, Vincent Hannum. And Matt Levine.

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And we are talking about all of our favorite

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monster movies, the good, the bad, and the downright

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campy, and asking if they stand the test of time.

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Traditional Kaiju, creature features, space invaders,

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the supernatural, and everything in between.

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All strange beasts welcome here. Camp Kaiju is

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in those show notes. What's going to happen next?

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What we fear is that Batra won't wake up again.

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Earth SOS. It's not Batra. It's a creature with

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a special mission. Good to see you. Good to see

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you as well. How are you, Vincent? I'm good.

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A little under the weather, but that's all right.

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I'm going to try to bring my A game here for

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Godzilla versus Mothra versus Batra versus Indiana

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Jones versus, I don't know, the list goes on.

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Battle for Earth. Yes. Throw that on at the end

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for for no reason. It was like the alternate

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title of this movie suggests it's an it's an

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appropriate title. But like, I don't know, it's

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it also kind of helps differentiate it from Mothra

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versus Godzilla from 1964. So I do kind of appreciate

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that qualifier at the end. Oh, yes, there's lots

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to this title we'll get into. But how are you

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doing? I'm doing all right. Seen some good movies

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recently. I'm enjoying the almost spring weather

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in Minnesota. Oh, so good. Yeah, can't complain

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too much. Well, I know we were just talking offline

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about keeping things more succinct with our recording,

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but I've seen some good monster movies lately

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that I just want your quick, I just want a quick

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talk about. Nice. Leviathan from 1989. I saw

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that on your Letterboxd. I'm a big fan of that

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movie. I agree with everything you wrote about

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it. It's like it has some flaws for sure, but

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it's so stylish and very entertaining. Yeah.

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Would love to talk about that one day. Yeah.

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And then Event Horizon. another great one also

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with its own flaws but just like it's in that

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sweet spot of like 90s kind of dumb but kind

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of like genuinely scary sci -fi horror movies

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yeah i was pleasantly surprised with both of

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those movies lots to chew on listeners let us

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know what you think yeah those are fun i'm a

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little bit jealous that you both or that you

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saw both of those for the first time recently

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because i have fond memories of those for sure

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yeah Cool. I mean, I haven't seen a lot of monster

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movies recently per se. I did see Time Cop with

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Jean -Claude Van Damme, which is so much fun.

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That's a really, really like such an entertaining

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movie. I love JCVD. He's like maybe my favorite

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action star of all time. Lost Highway, the David

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Lynch movie. Probably the best thing I've seen

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recently is Rope, the Alfred Hitchcock movie,

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which I hadn't seen. like 20 years probably.

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So I rewatched that. Sorry, I know this isn't

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a monster movie, but I was just blown away by

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it. I didn't remember just how strange it is,

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how dark, stylish, like even aside from the long

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takes, there's like a lot of unusual stuff in

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that movie. So I really, really loved Rope. Yeah,

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and my favorite part is at the end when the rope

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comes to life and strangles everybody to death.

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Man. They must've cut that ending. Like that

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was Hitchcock filmed it. And then the studio

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was like, no, it's just too weird. We can't get

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away with it. Hitch. We have to say no. Yeah.

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I would like to believe that's the story. No,

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those are great movies that I haven't seen. The

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first two you mentioned time cop sounds great.

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And I got to get on my David Lynch education.

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Rest in peace to David Lynch. Yeah. I like lost

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highway. Like many of his movies is really dark,

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very scary, very nightmarish, a little bit sleazy,

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but overall really great. I would say. Nice.

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Yeah. Those are the words I would use to describe

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Godzilla versus Mothra sleazy, nightmarish. No,

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I love trivia, love movies, love monster movies.

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It's going to be a fun time. Yeah, it's a good

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opportunity to put our trivia host hats on. So

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I'm looking forward to it. Oh, yeah. I have to

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assume there will be monster movie. trivia, horror

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trivia, sci -fi trivia when we come to town.

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Totally. I think we can bring that too. And like

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Naomi has certainly done stuff like that before,

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but I'm sure between the three of us, we'll have

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some of that there for sure. Oh yeah. And speaking

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of Naomi, our Dracula's Daughter episode that

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precedes this one went really well. I did have

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some cut for time content that I will be tacking

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on to the end of this episode. So listeners,

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after you enjoy some Godzilla conversation, stick

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around and enjoy some cut for time conversation

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with me, Matt and Naomi. Okay. Matt, what month

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is it? It is March, mid -March. It is. Yes, that

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is correct. It is also Mothra March Madness.

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Yep. Yeah, I should have known. That's what it

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will henceforth be known as. But, you know, I

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asked you and you answered correctly. It took

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me a second, though. I was like, it is March,

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right? Is that correct? Yeah, that's right. Not

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a trick question. I don't have any fun promos

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for Mothra March Madness. It's just the time

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of the year where we get to celebrate Mothra,

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Queen of the Monsters. Now, last March. Camp

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Kaiju was on our hiatus while I was taking parental

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leave. And so we didn't really do anything last

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year. But two years ago, we talked about Mothra,

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the cinematic debut from 1961, and then Mothra

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versus Godzilla from 1964. So we haven't talked

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about Mothra since then. I'm excited to talk

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about this monster again. With this movie. Me

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too. Yeah, it's been a long time. I like Mothra

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a lot. And from what I've been reading online,

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just like fan comments and stuff like that, it

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sounds like some people actually aren't a big

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fan of Mothra, which really surprises me a lot.

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How can you not love such a benevolent but still,

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you know, badass queen of the monsters? She's

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great. She is great. Mothra's my favorite. I

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have my action figure from the 90s, which is

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modeled after the depiction in this film. So

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I always love especially the Heisei Mothra. I

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guess I could have some quibbles with this depiction

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of Mothra, but I'll get there. I'll get there.

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Yeah. And last thing I want to say before we

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dive in to some other fun things. This is also

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the first Heisei Godzilla movie we've talked

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about since Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah, which

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I think was also two years ago. Yeah, I think

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you're right. And that movie is awesome. I love

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it. Like, that's probably my second or third

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favorite movie of the whole Toho Kaiju canon.

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The original Godzilla, Ghidorah the Three -Headed

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Monster, probably numbers one and two, but Godzilla

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vs. King Ghidorah is really incredible. And so

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far, I've really been liking all these Heisei

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movies, I have to say. Yeah, and just through

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pure happenstance, we've been going through the

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Heisei era chronologically. which we have not

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done with a show of movies. But the Heisei era,

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this works out really well because these movies

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do have an overarching narrative that it's been

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fun to watch them in order on our podcast. Totally.

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Yeah, some elements of the story are a little

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bit confusing if you don't remember what happened

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in the previous movie, which I didn't at first,

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but it eventually came back to me. Yeah, yeah.

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We'll get to more Godzilla vs. Mothra in a little

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bit, but... We got to get to this month in monster

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movie history. Bat, I left your picks from last

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time on. I tacked on some more here. But what's

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a title that stands out to you? Oh, man, I'm

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sorry. Let's see here. It's hard to choose just

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one, isn't it? I think I'll have to go with the

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relatively recent one, It Follows from 2015.

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I'm a big fan of that movie. I feel like recently

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over the last 10, maybe. Maybe a little bit more,

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but, you know, there's kind of like this age

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24 art horror kind of like a sub sub genre that's

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become popular, like Ari Aster and Hereditary

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and Midsommar, I think are good examples of that

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as well. But it follows is really, really good,

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genuinely scary. I mean, it's a great depiction

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of being a teenager and just kind of like the.

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you know, the feeling of power that that entails,

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but also the feeling of like, it's not going

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to last very long. There's a lot to that movie.

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So yeah, it follows if you haven't seen it. I

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know it's pretty popular, relatively recent,

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but I like that movie a lot. Yeah, long bit on

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my list. Excuse me. I'm going to go, I'm going

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to stick with the kaiju theme here, but here's

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a movie, I don't know if you've heard of, called

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The X from Outer Space from 1967. Not Toho, not

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Daiei. I don't even remember the name of the

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studio that made this kaiju. But it was in the

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height of peak kaiju times in Japan. And it's

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kind of infamous for its monster, which has a

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kind of goofy look to it. It's a film that I

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do have on my list in the coming years. If Camp

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Kaiju is still going strong, it might be so bad

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it's good. It might also just be so bad it's

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bad. We'll see. Or just good, possibly. Or maybe.

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We'll see. I've never seen it. I have heard of

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that movie and I have always wanted to see it.

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So maybe it'll be on the show at some point.

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It's fun, though. It is fun to all you lovers

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of the X from outer space. New and upcoming releases.

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We do have Jurassic World Rebirth. I know we

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talked about this a few episodes ago, Matt, but

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I did cut that content. I think it was our Tusk

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episode. It was already running along. So I was

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like, eh, we'll talk about Jurassic World Rebirth

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later on. Directed by Gareth Edwards. And it

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comes out in July, I think. Could be June. It's

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a decent cast. Scarlett Johansson. There's another

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actor in it that I like, although now, of course,

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I can't really remember who it is. Do you remember?

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Who else was in that movie? I think it was a

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velociraptor. Yeah, that's it. A shoo -in for

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best supporting raptor at the Oscars next year.

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That was a dumb joke. Hey, I set the bar low.

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The humor here. Oh, Mahershala Ali, I think is

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who I was thinking of. Yeah, we'll see how that

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movie is. I haven't really liked the last couple

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Jurassic World movies, but maybe this one will

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be better. Maybe. Well, what else? What else

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we got coming up on Camp Kaiju? Matt, this is

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your pick. Yeah, The Island of Dr. Moreau from

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1996. I've always been fascinated by this movie.

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Still haven't seen it. It might have the most

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notoriously disastrous production backstory of

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any Hollywood movie ever, which is saying a lot.

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And it's not supposed to be very good, but I

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think it's going to be really interesting to

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talk about. So looking forward to that. I'm so

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excited. It's based on the novel by H .G. Wells,

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who wrote War of the Worlds, The Invisible Man,

00:16:02.409 --> 00:16:07.000
many other classic. sci -fi novels. And folks,

00:16:07.120 --> 00:16:08.919
if you want to read this book before we talk

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about it, check it out. After that, I'm bringing

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some 50s sci -fi to the pod with Invaders from

00:16:17.139 --> 00:16:23.620
Mars, a cult classic from 1953. And this movie

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is near and dear to my heart, and I've been wanting

00:16:25.320 --> 00:16:27.480
to talk about it since day one of the podcast.

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But now's the time. I'm excited. That's one of

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the few movies that I just like know almost nothing

00:16:34.639 --> 00:16:36.940
about. I've heard the title and that's it. Like

00:16:36.940 --> 00:16:39.059
I don't know anything else about it. So I'm really

00:16:39.059 --> 00:16:41.759
excited to dive into that one as well. Yeah,

00:16:41.820 --> 00:16:44.059
it's a treat. Both those movies I think are on

00:16:44.059 --> 00:16:47.399
Tubi. So folks, if you're out there, give them

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a watch. Okay. Personal histories with Godzilla

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versus Mothra. What is your personal history?

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Pretty much nothing. Like I said a little bit

00:17:00.960 --> 00:17:02.980
earlier, I've really been enjoying the Heisei

00:17:02.980 --> 00:17:06.599
era of Godzilla movies. Return of Godzilla, Godzilla

00:17:06.599 --> 00:17:10.119
vs. Biolante, and then Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah,

00:17:10.119 --> 00:17:13.359
and then this one. So yeah, I had high expectations,

00:17:13.380 --> 00:17:15.740
but no other history with this film, really.

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Yeah, same. I mean, aside from my aforementioned

00:17:19.700 --> 00:17:24.059
Mothra action figure, I hadn't really seen this

00:17:24.059 --> 00:17:28.470
movie. Until I was very much an adult in my 20s.

00:17:29.069 --> 00:17:31.710
I've seen it a couple times in the past few years.

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I'm not going to say it's one I gravitate towards.

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It's not a go -to of mine. But as a fan of Mothra,

00:17:39.750 --> 00:17:43.970
as a fan of these series of films, I find some

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things worth checking out, I would say. Yeah.

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Definitely, yeah. Yeah. Mothra was also in...

00:17:52.719 --> 00:17:54.759
Destroy All Monsters, right? Which we watched

00:17:54.759 --> 00:17:59.859
a while back and talked about. I'm thinking of

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Giant Monsters All Out Attack. Yeah. Cool. Sorry,

00:18:05.660 --> 00:18:06.960
I'm just trying to rack my brain a little bit

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because I know I've seen Mothra and some other

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stuff. I couldn't quite remember exactly what

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though. Yeah, good callback. Godzilla, Mothra.

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King Ghidorah Giant Monsters All Out Attack.

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What a clunky title. And I know some people love

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that one. I wasn't as big a fan of that. But

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Ghidorah the Three -Headed Monster, which Mothra

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also is in, if I remember right. Like I said

00:18:26.160 --> 00:18:29.019
before, I love that movie. So big fan of Mothra.

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I think in this movie, I actually prefer Mothra's

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evil twin, but we'll talk about that a little

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more soon. Yeah. And you just reminded me, in

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Ghidorah the Three -Headed Monster, in that film...

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Mothra is only depicted in the larval stage.

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And here's a Tencent word for you. The Imago

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stage is featured in this Heisei movie. The Imago

00:18:54.059 --> 00:19:00.099
stage is the winged moth butterfly stage of the

00:19:00.099 --> 00:19:03.460
evolution. Pretty cool moment in this movie when

00:19:03.460 --> 00:19:06.990
we first see that. Yeah, yeah. Oh, okay. That

00:19:06.990 --> 00:19:09.289
just got me excited to talk about some of this

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movie. A remote Pacific island where an expedition

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of world -famous scientists investigate incredible

00:19:15.130 --> 00:19:18.910
rumors of its fantastic mysteries and discover

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barren volcanic mountains surrounding strange

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green valleys. Mammoth caves that breed giant

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mutations. Vampire plants that devour humans.

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But most astounding of all, the tiniest women

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in all creation. Sacred beauties of a lost tribe

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which worships a monstrous creature. What is

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the secret of Mothra? What is the bizarre spell

00:20:00.440 --> 00:20:04.099
that awakens Mothra? as these doll -sized girls

00:20:04.099 --> 00:20:18.099
call to the super god from captivity. Mothra,

00:20:18.240 --> 00:20:20.839
whose revenge is more devastating than any man

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-made weapon. Mothra, who defies warplanes. Wrecks

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ocean liners. smashes dams and bridges. Mothra,

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creating hurricanes. Mothra, enveloped in a shell

00:20:40.970 --> 00:20:49.750
that no human force can penetrate. Mothra, indestructible,

00:20:49.869 --> 00:20:54.849
all -powerful, indescribable. What kind of creature

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is this god monster, Mothra? Monster of the motion

00:21:10.529 --> 00:21:16.289
picture screen meets The Thing. Godzilla versus

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The Thing. Innocent looking, but so feared, pagan

00:21:20.430 --> 00:21:29.990
man worshipped it. See the battle of gigantic

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forces spreading terror across the world. Inventions

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conquer them. See in color. Terror scope. Godzilla

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versus the thing. screen has ever shown before

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can surpass the thrills of Ghidra, the three

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-headed monster. Created from an atomic fireball

00:22:34.180 --> 00:22:37.299
hurled from outer space, Ghidra, the three -headed

00:22:37.299 --> 00:22:40.079
monster threatens man's very existence on Earth.

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All new, all never to be forgotten. A new high

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in screen terror. Production history of this

00:24:02.369 --> 00:24:04.369
film. We're going to talk about some select crew,

00:24:04.509 --> 00:24:08.210
some select cast. Some faces are familiar, some

00:24:08.210 --> 00:24:12.109
are new. We have the director Takeo Okawara.

00:24:12.750 --> 00:24:15.450
Apologies on the pronunciations. Screenwriter

00:24:15.450 --> 00:24:18.410
Kazuki Omori. The film was executive produced

00:24:18.410 --> 00:24:22.470
by Tomoyuki Tanaka, the man behind the birth

00:24:22.470 --> 00:24:25.529
of Godzilla in the 50s. But it was also produced

00:24:25.529 --> 00:24:28.890
by Shogo Tomiyama, who did a lot of the actual

00:24:28.890 --> 00:24:32.839
producing on the ground. The music is by Akira

00:24:32.839 --> 00:24:38.200
Ifukube. A lot to say about the music, but Ifukube

00:24:38.200 --> 00:24:41.279
is a legend, and I think this score bears that

00:24:41.279 --> 00:24:45.420
out. The cinematography is by Masahiro Kishimoto,

00:24:45.640 --> 00:24:49.880
and the film is edited by Miho Yoneida. So the

00:24:49.880 --> 00:24:54.500
film stars Tetsuya Besho as Takuya Fujito, aka

00:24:54.500 --> 00:24:56.680
Indiana Jones, for all intents and purposes.

00:24:57.140 --> 00:25:00.440
Yeah. Slight joke, but you'll see what I mean.

00:25:00.460 --> 00:25:02.319
If you haven't seen this movie, the opening scene

00:25:02.319 --> 00:25:04.480
that he is featured in, you're like, oh, where

00:25:04.480 --> 00:25:06.240
have I seen this before? Yeah, Raiders of the

00:25:06.240 --> 00:25:09.859
Lost Ark, right. The movie also stars Satomi

00:25:09.859 --> 00:25:13.559
Kobayashi as Masako Tezuka, who is Takuya's ex

00:25:13.559 --> 00:25:18.579
-wife. Takahiro Murata stars as Kenji Ando. The

00:25:18.579 --> 00:25:22.400
film also stars Megumi Odaka. She was a former

00:25:22.400 --> 00:25:25.000
Japanese idol, actress, and singer, very popular,

00:25:25.160 --> 00:25:29.200
well -known for the role of Miki Saegusa in six

00:25:29.200 --> 00:25:32.960
Godzilla films from 1989 to 1995. So I believe

00:25:32.960 --> 00:25:35.319
introduced in Godzilla vs. Biollante, if I remember

00:25:35.319 --> 00:25:38.240
right. Right. She has a psychic connection to

00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:41.640
Godzilla, if you remember. She has this connection,

00:25:41.779 --> 00:25:45.099
and you see that fleshed out a little bit more

00:25:45.099 --> 00:25:49.099
in this film, Godzilla vs. Mothra. Yeah, and

00:25:49.099 --> 00:25:51.160
it doesn't explain it at all. That's one of the

00:25:51.160 --> 00:25:53.319
things where I was like, who is this character?

00:25:53.519 --> 00:25:55.599
I had a vague recollection, and then I had to

00:25:55.599 --> 00:25:57.839
read up again on Godzilla vs. Biollante a little

00:25:57.839 --> 00:26:01.299
bit. Not necessarily a bad thing, but you might

00:26:01.299 --> 00:26:04.440
want to do a little research if you haven't seen

00:26:04.440 --> 00:26:07.200
any of the surrounding movies for a while, preceding

00:26:07.200 --> 00:26:09.660
movies. It's funny, if I may interrupt, there's

00:26:09.660 --> 00:26:13.200
a battle between the kaiju, and everyone's rooting

00:26:13.200 --> 00:26:18.059
for Mothra and or Batra, maybe. And she is the

00:26:18.059 --> 00:26:22.579
only one who's like, oh, no, Godzilla. And if

00:26:22.579 --> 00:26:25.079
you don't know her character, you'd think, why

00:26:25.079 --> 00:26:29.160
are you the only person on Godzilla's side? Which

00:26:29.160 --> 00:26:31.200
I kind of admire, you know, like she has her

00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:33.900
allegiance. That's great. Yeah. Someone's got

00:26:33.900 --> 00:26:38.339
to stick up for him. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's

00:26:38.339 --> 00:26:41.099
a cool character. It's a very cool character

00:26:41.099 --> 00:26:43.180
in Godzilla vs. Biollante, but still pretty fun

00:26:43.180 --> 00:26:46.259
in this one, I would say, too. Rounding out the

00:26:46.259 --> 00:26:49.380
cast of Godzilla vs. Mothra, we also have Keiko

00:26:49.380 --> 00:26:53.440
Imamura and Sayaka Osawa as the Cosmos, who are

00:26:53.440 --> 00:26:56.980
the miniature twins who are kind of Mothra's,

00:26:57.099 --> 00:27:00.660
maybe not guardians, but stewards, maybe is the

00:27:00.660 --> 00:27:02.559
right word for it. Yeah, that's a good term.

00:27:02.779 --> 00:27:07.119
Yeah. And in the... Heralds. Heralds, yeah, that's

00:27:07.119 --> 00:27:09.880
an even better term. Yeah, totally. I believe

00:27:09.880 --> 00:27:12.160
they were called the Shobin or the Shobajin in

00:27:12.160 --> 00:27:15.460
the 1960s Mothra movies, right? Yeah. So this

00:27:15.460 --> 00:27:18.079
time they're called the Cosmos. And then finally,

00:27:18.160 --> 00:27:21.079
we have to mention a stalwart of the Godzilla

00:27:21.079 --> 00:27:24.420
series, Akira Takarada. He was in so many Godzilla

00:27:24.420 --> 00:27:27.140
movies. We just saw him in Invasion of Astro

00:27:27.140 --> 00:27:31.980
Monster. Here he is. Opposite Nick Adams. Starring

00:27:31.980 --> 00:27:35.279
Nick Adams. I don't know. We gotta ring a Nick

00:27:35.279 --> 00:27:39.480
Adams bell or something. Well, yeah, like in

00:27:39.480 --> 00:27:41.480
the last Nick Adams episode that we talked about,

00:27:41.539 --> 00:27:43.299
which was Invasion of Astro Monster, we like

00:27:43.299 --> 00:27:45.799
we both read off some of his dialogue. I think

00:27:45.799 --> 00:27:47.500
we're going to have to like record that from

00:27:47.500 --> 00:27:49.819
the movie. And that can be our Nick Adams, like

00:27:49.819 --> 00:27:52.559
Bell or whatever, you know, would like some line

00:27:52.559 --> 00:27:54.579
of dialogue from that movie. We'll figure it

00:27:54.579 --> 00:27:56.539
out. All right. I'll see what I can do. All right.

00:27:56.640 --> 00:27:59.859
Cool. I feel he's very important from a scientific

00:27:59.859 --> 00:28:03.900
point of view. Takahiro Murata, just going back.

00:28:04.519 --> 00:28:08.920
He. is in several other Godzilla films from this

00:28:08.920 --> 00:28:13.779
time, including Godzilla vs. Destoroyah, Godzilla

00:28:13.779 --> 00:28:16.900
2000, Godzilla Mothra, and King Ghidorah Giant

00:28:16.900 --> 00:28:20.279
Monsters All Out Attack, and Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla.

00:28:20.559 --> 00:28:24.200
So he is one of those familiar faces for sure.

00:28:25.680 --> 00:28:27.960
Cool. Yeah, I knew he looked familiar. I couldn't

00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:30.400
quite remember from what exactly. Same, same.

00:28:31.049 --> 00:28:33.309
Same with Akira Takarada because he's just so

00:28:33.309 --> 00:28:35.450
much older. I mean, this is like 30 years after

00:28:35.450 --> 00:28:39.069
Astro Monster. Yeah. And he has like a very bit

00:28:39.069 --> 00:28:41.490
part, but he has some like really amusing like

00:28:41.490 --> 00:28:43.490
expressions, facial expressions, and he gets

00:28:43.490 --> 00:28:46.250
really into the kaiju battles. So he's fun to

00:28:46.250 --> 00:28:51.410
watch in this movie. For sure. The idea for a

00:28:51.410 --> 00:28:54.490
Mothra movie, because this is the first film

00:28:54.490 --> 00:28:57.809
featuring Mothra since I think Destroy All Monsters,

00:28:57.809 --> 00:29:00.930
which was in the late 60s. It had been a while,

00:29:01.029 --> 00:29:03.369
but the idea for a new Mothra movie was conceived

00:29:03.369 --> 00:29:08.549
in 1990 with a screenplay by Omori called Mothra

00:29:08.549 --> 00:29:14.029
vs. Bagan? B -A -G -A -N. Unsure how to pronounce

00:29:14.029 --> 00:29:21.410
that one. Bagan? Bagan? Bagan? Yeah, I guess

00:29:21.410 --> 00:29:24.589
I'm not totally sure either. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

00:29:24.650 --> 00:29:27.250
Well, anyways, this character is a vengeful dragon.

00:29:27.900 --> 00:29:30.319
who apparently sought to destroy humanity for

00:29:30.319 --> 00:29:33.359
its abuse of the Earth's resources, only to be

00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:36.420
defeated by Mothra, the goddess of peace. However,

00:29:36.579 --> 00:29:38.819
this initial screenplay was scrapped because

00:29:38.819 --> 00:29:41.859
of the low box office of Godzilla vs. Biollante,

00:29:42.099 --> 00:29:46.200
and Toho believed a standalone Mothra film wouldn't

00:29:46.200 --> 00:29:50.900
sell overseas. Now, following the success of

00:29:50.900 --> 00:29:54.319
Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah, Toho announced a

00:29:54.319 --> 00:29:57.440
sequel that would feature Mothra, Originally,

00:29:57.440 --> 00:30:01.579
they had thought about a sequel to King Ghidorah

00:30:01.579 --> 00:30:05.660
where that monster would return. However, they

00:30:05.660 --> 00:30:08.779
polled audiences and found that Mothra was most

00:30:08.779 --> 00:30:11.880
popular with women who apparently made up the

00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:15.859
majority of filmgoers at the time. So purely

00:30:15.859 --> 00:30:18.200
looking at the bottom line, Toho said, we'll

00:30:18.200 --> 00:30:22.700
go with the moneymaker. I don't know. How do

00:30:22.700 --> 00:30:25.769
you feel about that? I mean, I think it works

00:30:25.769 --> 00:30:28.569
okay. I don't have a big issue with the kind

00:30:28.569 --> 00:30:31.670
of, you know, like it's aside from just the appearance

00:30:31.670 --> 00:30:34.529
of Mothra, I think Godzilla versus Mothra has

00:30:34.529 --> 00:30:36.609
kind of like a family friendly sort of whimsical

00:30:36.609 --> 00:30:39.529
fantasy tone, which like was not really true

00:30:39.529 --> 00:30:41.869
of Godzilla versus Biollante or Godzilla versus

00:30:41.869 --> 00:30:44.650
King Ghidorah. But I'm kind of okay with it in

00:30:44.650 --> 00:30:48.140
this case. Again, I love Mothra. And like, it's

00:30:48.140 --> 00:30:49.799
weird in this movie, I'll talk about this a little

00:30:49.799 --> 00:30:51.599
bit more later, but like, I think that kind of

00:30:51.599 --> 00:30:55.059
like lighthearted tone is balanced out by like

00:30:55.059 --> 00:30:59.460
some pretty serious and maybe preachy like themes

00:30:59.460 --> 00:31:02.119
about environmentalism and stuff like that. So

00:31:02.119 --> 00:31:04.839
it's, you know, they were looking at the bottom

00:31:04.839 --> 00:31:06.740
line for sure. They were trying to get as many,

00:31:06.799 --> 00:31:10.539
as much box office profits as possible, of course.

00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:12.660
But like, I still think there are elements of

00:31:12.660 --> 00:31:15.509
like. you know, imagination and surprise and

00:31:15.509 --> 00:31:18.369
unexpected pleasures in this movie. Yeah. Nice.

00:31:19.460 --> 00:31:21.720
Sorry, one thing I wanted to mention real quick.

00:31:21.880 --> 00:31:25.180
So we talked about how the film was written by

00:31:25.180 --> 00:31:29.359
Kazuki Amori and how Amori came up with the idea

00:31:29.359 --> 00:31:31.920
of the Mothra versus Bagan or however you pronounce

00:31:31.920 --> 00:31:34.039
that. And I just wanted to mention that Amori

00:31:34.039 --> 00:31:37.380
also directed the previous couple movies in the

00:31:37.380 --> 00:31:39.680
series, Godzilla versus Biollante, Godzilla versus

00:31:39.680 --> 00:31:41.900
King Ghidorah, but he didn't direct this one.

00:31:41.980 --> 00:31:43.460
And I just think that's kind of interesting because,

00:31:43.480 --> 00:31:46.920
again, this movie has a much less dark and kind

00:31:46.920 --> 00:31:48.920
of ominous tone than the previous couple. ones

00:31:48.920 --> 00:31:51.140
maybe because he's not in the director's chair

00:31:51.140 --> 00:31:55.579
anymore that is interesting yeah uh thank you

00:31:55.579 --> 00:31:58.180
for bringing that up yeah yeah if there's anything

00:31:58.180 --> 00:32:03.220
else please jump in um speaking of omori producer

00:32:03.220 --> 00:32:06.039
tomiyama wanted still wanted to keep a lot of

00:32:06.039 --> 00:32:08.460
that first screenplay as possible obviously they

00:32:08.460 --> 00:32:10.299
just switched around some characters and threw

00:32:10.299 --> 00:32:14.000
godzilla in there the movie yeah yep as you noted

00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:16.240
return the franchise to a more fantasy -based

00:32:16.240 --> 00:32:19.779
direction This is just so silly. This is the

00:32:19.779 --> 00:32:22.079
first film in the Heisei era not to feature a

00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:26.160
mecha character. Sorry, a mech character. A giant

00:32:26.160 --> 00:32:29.700
robot. There was an early idea of making a mecha

00:32:29.700 --> 00:32:32.680
Mothra, which I just feel like would have been

00:32:32.680 --> 00:32:36.980
like jumping the shark a little bit. Yeah. Although

00:32:36.980 --> 00:32:39.200
maybe the Godzilla franchise had already jumped

00:32:39.200 --> 00:32:41.140
the shark a few times, but like not in totally

00:32:41.140 --> 00:32:43.460
terrible ways. That's fair. That's fair. Why

00:32:43.460 --> 00:32:46.700
not? Yeah. Son of Godzilla is the particular

00:32:46.700 --> 00:32:49.980
movie that I'm thinking of. Yeah. Godzilla vs.

00:32:50.200 --> 00:32:53.380
Mothra featured a new Godzilla suit that had

00:32:53.380 --> 00:32:56.299
been there. There had been one in Biolante and

00:32:56.299 --> 00:32:59.079
King Ghidorah, but the one in Godzilla vs. Mothra,

00:32:59.099 --> 00:33:01.440
it's a little slimmer. There's a bit more mobility

00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:05.039
in the arms and neck, more facial movements.

00:33:05.900 --> 00:33:09.420
And of course, we have our new kaiju for the

00:33:09.420 --> 00:33:13.660
series, Batra. who is meant to be a dark alter

00:33:13.660 --> 00:33:17.839
ego of Mothra. The name is a portmanteau of battle,

00:33:17.940 --> 00:33:21.220
and Mothra didn't know that, always thought it

00:33:21.220 --> 00:33:25.839
was like a play on a bat. Hmm, interesting. Yeah,

00:33:25.859 --> 00:33:29.180
so when I read that, I was like, I don't know

00:33:29.180 --> 00:33:31.599
if Batra's the best name then, because I just

00:33:31.599 --> 00:33:33.940
picture a bat, but it's not supposed to be a

00:33:33.940 --> 00:33:36.519
bat. And I'm thinking about it way too hard.

00:33:37.940 --> 00:33:40.420
Yeah, I don't know how much logic went into that.

00:33:40.579 --> 00:33:45.019
But I like Batra. I guess I don't know how you

00:33:45.019 --> 00:33:47.539
pronounce it again. Sorry. But I really like

00:33:47.539 --> 00:33:49.579
this monster a lot. And the backstory is that

00:33:49.579 --> 00:33:54.000
12 ,000 years ago, Mothra was the protector of

00:33:54.000 --> 00:33:56.980
Earth. And then humans started endangering Earth.

00:33:57.099 --> 00:34:01.930
So this alter ego called Batra was... I guess

00:34:01.930 --> 00:34:03.970
it doesn't really explain how exactly, but then

00:34:03.970 --> 00:34:06.650
like Batra then just like destroyed everything

00:34:06.650 --> 00:34:09.429
basically. And Mothra, you know, had to like

00:34:09.429 --> 00:34:11.369
put an end to that and be like, oh, just don't

00:34:11.369 --> 00:34:13.170
destroy the planet. We just wanted you to like,

00:34:13.170 --> 00:34:15.309
you know, keep humanity in check a little bit,

00:34:15.329 --> 00:34:17.289
which I love that backstory. That's so cool.

00:34:17.690 --> 00:34:20.989
Yeah, I do. I do like this character as a foil

00:34:20.989 --> 00:34:25.730
to Mothra. I think it deepens, it enriches Mothra's

00:34:25.730 --> 00:34:30.070
mythology a little bit. And yeah, it just makes

00:34:30.070 --> 00:34:32.809
that character herself more interesting. For

00:34:32.809 --> 00:34:36.889
sure. Yeah. Yeah. Another fun trivia, Batra's

00:34:36.889 --> 00:34:40.530
cry is that of Rodan's, which I didn't note.

00:34:40.590 --> 00:34:43.530
I was like, oh, that sounds familiar. And Godzilla's

00:34:43.530 --> 00:34:47.489
own roar, the production team went back to a

00:34:47.489 --> 00:34:53.630
pre -1984 cry for that monster. So I don't know.

00:34:54.989 --> 00:34:57.780
That's like some really in the weeds. You're

00:34:57.780 --> 00:34:59.159
not really going to notice unless you're like

00:34:59.159 --> 00:35:03.119
us really watching these movies, but that's some

00:35:03.119 --> 00:35:06.840
production trivia for you. Yeah, I can't say

00:35:06.840 --> 00:35:09.000
that I noticed the sound effects of the roar

00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:10.980
all that much, but I did notice the new look

00:35:10.980 --> 00:35:13.119
for Godzilla, which I really like in this movie.

00:35:13.900 --> 00:35:15.780
Like you can tell, it kind of just looks a little

00:35:15.780 --> 00:35:18.199
bit more menacing. Godzilla honestly maybe kind

00:35:18.199 --> 00:35:21.300
of plays like second fiddle to Mothra and Batra

00:35:21.300 --> 00:35:23.739
a little bit, but he looks really cool. I like

00:35:23.739 --> 00:35:26.239
the new design of the suit a lot. Yeah, yeah.

00:35:26.730 --> 00:35:29.829
So, Godzilla vs. Mothra was released in Japan

00:35:29.829 --> 00:35:33.530
on December 12th, 1992. It was the second highest

00:35:33.530 --> 00:35:36.710
grossing movie in Japan in 1993 after Jurassic

00:35:36.710 --> 00:35:40.489
Park, which is just kind of, you know, a coincidence

00:35:40.489 --> 00:35:43.190
since this movie, in another attempt to get as

00:35:43.190 --> 00:35:46.650
much box office as possible, rips off the Indiana

00:35:46.650 --> 00:35:48.469
Jones series quite a bit, or at least a couple

00:35:48.469 --> 00:35:52.400
times. Godzilla vs. Mothra was the highest grossing

00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:54.860
Godzilla movie at the time since Ghidorah the

00:35:54.860 --> 00:35:57.960
Three -Headed Monster from 1964. And it was the

00:35:57.960 --> 00:35:59.900
highest grossing Godzilla movie in Japan until

00:35:59.900 --> 00:36:03.699
Shin Godzilla in 2016. So a commercial success

00:36:03.699 --> 00:36:06.159
for sure. And a critical success as far as I

00:36:06.159 --> 00:36:09.019
know as well. Godzilla vs. Mothra was released

00:36:09.019 --> 00:36:11.980
in the United States on home video through Columbia

00:36:11.980 --> 00:36:14.820
TriStar under the title Godzilla and Mothra the

00:36:14.820 --> 00:36:16.860
Battle for Earth, which is what I alluded to

00:36:16.860 --> 00:36:21.360
earlier. Because 1964's Mothra vs. Godzilla was

00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:23.440
known as Godzilla vs. Mothra in the USA at the

00:36:23.440 --> 00:36:26.219
time, just to make it more confusing. It is confusing,

00:36:26.420 --> 00:36:31.119
honestly. I keep, yeah. And then, so like the

00:36:31.119 --> 00:36:34.159
DVD I have that I watched, I watched, I have

00:36:34.159 --> 00:36:40.039
the Columbia TriStar Edition DVD, and it's dubbed.

00:36:40.800 --> 00:36:45.019
And I wonder if that took away a little bit of

00:36:45.019 --> 00:36:48.760
my enjoyment. With that version, but it is titled

00:36:48.760 --> 00:36:52.260
Godzilla and Mothra the Battle for Earth. So,

00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:55.579
you know. Can I ask, did you watch the subtitled

00:36:55.579 --> 00:36:58.300
version? Yeah, that's the version that's on the

00:36:58.300 --> 00:37:00.119
Criterion channel. So that's the one that I watched.

00:37:00.420 --> 00:37:02.380
Nice. Have you seen both of them in the past?

00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:05.300
Or just the dubbed one? Okay. Yeah, the subtitled

00:37:05.300 --> 00:37:08.199
one is good. No complaints, really. I do sort

00:37:08.199 --> 00:37:09.960
of like watching the dubbed one sometimes, though.

00:37:10.639 --> 00:37:13.860
Yeah, I feel like compared to other dubbed Godzilla

00:37:13.860 --> 00:37:17.840
movies. And listeners, please chime in. I feel

00:37:17.840 --> 00:37:22.880
like the dub for Godzilla vs. Mothra is a little...

00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:27.280
It just creates an air of silliness. Maybe...

00:37:27.280 --> 00:37:31.980
I don't think the English voice actors honestly

00:37:31.980 --> 00:37:36.380
are very good. They don't seem to... Their voices

00:37:36.380 --> 00:37:40.719
don't seem to drop into the same emotional resonance

00:37:40.719 --> 00:37:45.809
as maybe the actors are portraying. It's kind

00:37:45.809 --> 00:37:48.769
of weird to explain, but I'd be interested in

00:37:48.769 --> 00:37:51.849
watching the subtitled version. Yeah, that's

00:37:51.849 --> 00:37:53.829
another challenge with all these movies. Ideally,

00:37:53.909 --> 00:37:56.329
I would like to watch the dubbed and subtitled

00:37:56.329 --> 00:37:58.889
versions of all these movies, but who has all

00:37:58.889 --> 00:38:01.570
that time? It seems almost impossible, but it

00:38:01.570 --> 00:38:04.050
is an interesting comparison for sure. Yeah.

00:38:04.750 --> 00:38:07.670
Well, that's just it. A lot of these movies I

00:38:07.670 --> 00:38:10.369
will watch more than once in my life, so I'll

00:38:10.369 --> 00:38:14.599
just alternate then if I'm able to. Yeah, yeah.

00:38:14.659 --> 00:38:16.539
And I would like to do that in the future as

00:38:16.539 --> 00:38:19.139
well. I feel like I remember a couple of the

00:38:19.139 --> 00:38:22.159
dubbed ones maybe not being, you know, like the

00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:23.579
dubbing is a little bit distracting sometimes.

00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:25.820
I feel like maybe it was the terror of Mechagodzilla

00:38:25.820 --> 00:38:27.440
that I feel like the dubbing was not very good

00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:29.039
on, but I can't quite remember. That was a while

00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:35.380
ago. Yeah. This movie was so popular, as we said,

00:38:35.639 --> 00:38:39.260
Mothra got our own spinoff series. There's a

00:38:39.260 --> 00:38:42.400
trilogy of standalone Mothra films in the 90s.

00:38:42.860 --> 00:38:45.659
called Rebirth of Mothra, Rebirth of Mothra 2,

00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:50.380
Rebirth of Mothra 3. These are bonkers movies.

00:38:50.699 --> 00:38:55.280
If you thought Mothra has insane superpowers

00:38:55.280 --> 00:38:59.880
in Godzilla vs. Mothra, this character goes off

00:38:59.880 --> 00:39:02.639
the wall with abilities and powers and beams,

00:39:02.940 --> 00:39:07.280
and she has Progeny who just takes up the mantle.

00:39:08.239 --> 00:39:11.179
It's honestly, you have to see it to believe

00:39:11.179 --> 00:39:13.659
it. It's wild. It's crazy. It's straight out

00:39:13.659 --> 00:39:18.239
of a five -year -old's imagination. That sounds

00:39:18.239 --> 00:39:20.920
amazing. I mean, everything you just said makes

00:39:20.920 --> 00:39:23.719
it sound like those are exactly like my cup of

00:39:23.719 --> 00:39:27.619
tea, you know? I've got to see those. Yeah. I

00:39:27.619 --> 00:39:30.860
think, again, I plan out what movies I'm going

00:39:30.860 --> 00:39:32.840
to watch because of this podcast next year for

00:39:32.840 --> 00:39:35.659
Mothra March Madness. I think I'm going to bring

00:39:35.659 --> 00:39:39.820
one of those movies. Cool. Yeah. Maybe I'll bring

00:39:39.820 --> 00:39:42.639
another one also. Another one of those movies.

00:39:42.760 --> 00:39:45.659
We'll see. I'm here for it. That'd be great.

00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:50.519
Yeah. True Mothra March Madness. Here's some

00:39:50.519 --> 00:39:52.760
more trivia if you wanted to read off these last

00:39:52.760 --> 00:39:55.519
two points. Yeah, for sure. So this was the last

00:39:55.519 --> 00:39:59.099
film to depict the JSDF or the Japanese Self

00:39:59.099 --> 00:40:02.179
-Defense Force springing into action. The real

00:40:02.179 --> 00:40:05.159
JSDF, which was an actual thing, took umbrage,

00:40:05.159 --> 00:40:07.460
love that word, with their depiction as the bad

00:40:07.460 --> 00:40:10.139
guys. which I think is debatable in this movie,

00:40:10.199 --> 00:40:12.880
but I kind of get it. So Toho created the G -Force

00:40:12.880 --> 00:40:16.639
for subsequent films, maybe a thinly veiled version

00:40:16.639 --> 00:40:20.000
of the JSDF. Actually, to be more specific with

00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:23.360
that note, there's a line of dialogue a child

00:40:23.360 --> 00:40:29.239
has in Godzilla vs. Mothra after a JSDF fighter

00:40:29.239 --> 00:40:32.840
jet. shoots at godzilla or whoever and the kid

00:40:32.840 --> 00:40:35.860
is like oh no you're hurting godzilla you're

00:40:35.860 --> 00:40:38.840
hurting mothra so that's where like in the eyes

00:40:38.840 --> 00:40:42.480
of the child japan's yeah defense force were

00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:45.400
quote unquote bad guys that makes sense and there's

00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:48.730
the scene too where mothra is like causing a

00:40:48.730 --> 00:40:51.329
lot of destruction i think in yokohama it's in

00:40:51.329 --> 00:40:54.050
some kind of urban area and then mothra sees

00:40:54.050 --> 00:40:57.090
the cosmos and like after that mothra just like

00:40:57.090 --> 00:40:59.670
turns to like go back into the ocean and you

00:40:59.670 --> 00:41:01.710
think everything is over and then the jsdf just

00:41:01.710 --> 00:41:04.969
like bombards mothra with like you know missiles

00:41:04.969 --> 00:41:06.889
and tank shells and stuff that probably doesn't

00:41:06.889 --> 00:41:09.070
make them look all that good at the same time

00:41:09.070 --> 00:41:11.030
author had just annihilated like half a city

00:41:11.030 --> 00:41:13.380
so it's kind of understandable you know Yeah,

00:41:13.380 --> 00:41:15.380
shut up, kid. It's a giant monster destroying

00:41:15.380 --> 00:41:19.139
your city. Yeah. How many citizens of this town

00:41:19.139 --> 00:41:22.500
were just killed by Mothra? What do you expect?

00:41:23.239 --> 00:41:26.000
Right. This is what the JSDF is here for. It's

00:41:26.000 --> 00:41:29.699
kind of their job. Tax dollars are paying for

00:41:29.699 --> 00:41:34.699
your defense. Yeah, exactly. That is interesting

00:41:34.699 --> 00:41:37.690
trivia, though. Yeah. But yeah, critical reviews

00:41:37.690 --> 00:41:40.409
were positive at the time. They remain very positive.

00:41:40.530 --> 00:41:44.989
At the 16th Japan Academy Awards, this movie

00:41:44.989 --> 00:41:49.750
won for Newcomer of the Year. Well, two newcomers

00:41:49.750 --> 00:41:51.929
of the year, Keiko Imamura and Sayaka Osawa,

00:41:52.130 --> 00:41:55.050
who I believe play the Cosmos. And then Akira

00:41:55.050 --> 00:41:58.849
Ifukube's music and Takahiro Murata, who plays

00:41:58.849 --> 00:42:01.750
Ando, I believe, were both nominated as well.

00:42:02.090 --> 00:42:07.820
Yeah. Which I've... I think that's a really neat

00:42:07.820 --> 00:42:12.019
contrast between the Japanese Film Academy and

00:42:12.019 --> 00:42:14.280
the one here in the United States that does the

00:42:14.280 --> 00:42:17.519
Oscars. Apparently in Japan, a movie like Godzilla

00:42:17.519 --> 00:42:21.179
vs. Mothra can be dominated and win major awards.

00:42:21.880 --> 00:42:25.119
And that would never happen here. It's such a

00:42:25.119 --> 00:42:28.460
big deal when a monster movie, a horror movie,

00:42:28.559 --> 00:42:32.969
makes waves at our Academy Awards. Totally, yeah.

00:42:33.090 --> 00:42:34.969
I mean, I know I've talked about the substance

00:42:34.969 --> 00:42:36.710
a little bit on this podcast. I was surprised

00:42:36.710 --> 00:42:38.610
that that even got any nominations at all this

00:42:38.610 --> 00:42:39.769
year. And of course, it didn't win anything.

00:42:40.010 --> 00:42:45.010
But yeah, it's cool that Japan's, well, not Oscars,

00:42:45.010 --> 00:42:47.769
Japan's Academy Awards, you know, maybe seem

00:42:47.769 --> 00:42:50.329
a little bit more open -minded about that. Yeah,

00:42:50.389 --> 00:42:54.329
interesting. Love it. Okay, here we go with our

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00:42:56.130 --> 00:42:59.170
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00:43:40.059 --> 00:43:45.099
I did have a longer. email from a listener of

00:43:45.099 --> 00:43:48.460
ours. I'm going to hold off on that one for a

00:43:48.460 --> 00:43:50.280
future episode when we might have a little bit

00:43:50.280 --> 00:43:53.900
more time to dig into some really good conversation

00:43:53.900 --> 00:43:59.159
that that email will lead us to. So let me just

00:43:59.159 --> 00:44:02.380
give you something short and sweet. On our Instagram,

00:44:02.699 --> 00:44:06.860
camp underscore kaiju underscore podcast, actually,

00:44:06.900 --> 00:44:12.260
I posted a question on our story about Godzilla

00:44:12.260 --> 00:44:14.659
vs. Mothra, my question was, what's your history

00:44:14.659 --> 00:44:20.579
with this movie? And we had Ken Tsukete, Sean

00:44:20.579 --> 00:44:24.000
Childers, friend of the pod. He says, not seen.

00:44:24.099 --> 00:44:28.599
Let's rectify that. My wife says, poop emoji.

00:44:29.199 --> 00:44:38.880
So love that from her. Scathing review. And another

00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:42.630
listener, Spickin' Spanish Show. It says, I saw

00:44:42.630 --> 00:44:45.409
it for the first time on bootleg VHS in 1993.

00:44:46.630 --> 00:44:51.230
Didn't like it then. Don't like it now. Womp

00:44:51.230 --> 00:44:54.949
womp. It's too bad. But cool. You saw it on a

00:44:54.949 --> 00:44:58.570
bootleg VHS in 93. That must have been a pretty

00:44:58.570 --> 00:45:01.590
cool way to see this movie. Yeah. That's cool.

00:45:02.429 --> 00:45:04.829
But honestly, folks on Instagram, thank you for

00:45:04.829 --> 00:45:08.030
reaching out. If you're listening and you have

00:45:08.030 --> 00:45:11.679
thoughts about this movie. Hit us up and we'd

00:45:11.679 --> 00:45:15.139
love to feature your voice on the show. Matt,

00:45:15.179 --> 00:45:18.139
have you heard of King of the Zombies? I've heard

00:45:18.139 --> 00:45:21.019
of it, but I've never seen it. This movie, Poverty

00:45:21.019 --> 00:45:24.179
Row horror film that Peter Lorre is going to

00:45:24.179 --> 00:45:28.059
dish on. This movie, King of the Zombies. Let

00:45:28.059 --> 00:45:31.039
me tell you what. It has some problematic depictions

00:45:31.039 --> 00:45:34.739
of African -Americans as a zombie movie would

00:45:34.739 --> 00:45:40.190
from the 30s and 40s. With that said, there are

00:45:40.190 --> 00:45:45.449
some images that make it an interesting watch.

00:45:46.090 --> 00:45:48.809
And this movie has a score that was nominated

00:45:48.809 --> 00:45:54.670
for an Academy Award. Wow. Is it a worthy nomination?

00:45:54.969 --> 00:45:58.610
Did you like the music? I did not notice the

00:45:58.610 --> 00:46:01.630
music. Okay. But then I did read that factoid

00:46:01.630 --> 00:46:04.329
about it. It's like a lot of jungle drums and

00:46:04.329 --> 00:46:10.119
rhythmic beatings. Sounds highly questionable.

00:46:11.539 --> 00:46:13.500
Yeah, you know, like how much more do I have

00:46:13.500 --> 00:46:17.800
to say? But yeah, I think 1941 is also the year

00:46:17.800 --> 00:46:19.860
that I walked with a zombie came out, which we

00:46:19.860 --> 00:46:21.900
talked about on the podcast before, and which

00:46:21.900 --> 00:46:23.800
I really love. There's some questionable stuff

00:46:23.800 --> 00:46:25.659
in that movie, too. But I think the overall intention,

00:46:25.860 --> 00:46:29.300
not to go on too much of a tangent, is to, you

00:46:29.300 --> 00:46:33.039
know, condemn imperialism and slavery and kind

00:46:33.039 --> 00:46:36.300
of depict the white. colonizers in that movie

00:46:36.300 --> 00:46:39.980
as totally messed up and just like, like burdened

00:46:39.980 --> 00:46:42.659
with guilt. And yeah, that's a fascinating movie.

00:46:42.739 --> 00:46:44.460
I would imagine that King of the Zombies maybe

00:46:44.460 --> 00:46:47.400
is not quite as complex as I walked with a zombie,

00:46:47.460 --> 00:46:51.179
but I could be wrong. Maybe not. But Mr. Laurie,

00:46:51.340 --> 00:47:07.940
let us turn it over to you. Welcome to Poverty

00:47:07.940 --> 00:47:11.420
Row Studios on the other side of Hollywood. Where

00:47:11.420 --> 00:47:14.139
the stars were dimmer and the red carpets dripped

00:47:14.139 --> 00:47:17.079
with blood. Together we will watch the best of

00:47:17.079 --> 00:47:19.860
the worst. Movies known for their limited budgets,

00:47:20.219 --> 00:47:23.480
outlandish concepts, and questionable performances.

00:47:24.039 --> 00:47:27.340
But with enough haunted houses, zombies, ape

00:47:27.340 --> 00:47:29.940
men, and devil bats to keep you up at night.

00:47:30.360 --> 00:47:34.110
This is the Poverty Row Picture Show. I dare

00:47:34.110 --> 00:47:40.630
you to sleep through these nightmares. I am your

00:47:40.630 --> 00:47:44.070
host, Peter Lorre. You may know me from such

00:47:44.070 --> 00:47:48.230
horror pictures as Mad Love and Roger Corman's

00:47:48.230 --> 00:47:52.409
The Raven. If only I had been cast in this week's

00:47:52.409 --> 00:47:56.690
feature entitled King of the Zombies. After the

00:47:56.690 --> 00:48:00.329
initial casting of Bela Lugosi fell through,

00:48:00.840 --> 00:48:04.099
Monogram Studios reached out to me to play the

00:48:04.099 --> 00:48:07.739
leading role. Alas, I had other obligations.

00:48:08.719 --> 00:48:12.480
Oh, what could have been? I've always wanted

00:48:12.480 --> 00:48:16.400
to play in a zombie picture, and the chance to

00:48:16.400 --> 00:48:19.880
play opposite the wonderfully talented Man Dan

00:48:19.880 --> 00:48:25.420
Moreland would have been an honor. Oh, but listeners,

00:48:25.619 --> 00:48:29.699
I get ahead of myself. We must begin with a little

00:48:29.699 --> 00:48:36.039
plot synopsis and... and... Hmm... No, sorry,

00:48:36.239 --> 00:48:39.079
I don't mean to be distracted by those lilacs

00:48:39.079 --> 00:48:43.219
that Pierre had gifted me last time on the show,

00:48:43.360 --> 00:48:49.300
but... No, no, it couldn't be. Did they move?

00:48:50.739 --> 00:48:55.000
No, it must have been a shadow. A trick of the

00:48:55.000 --> 00:48:59.519
light. My rational brain clouded by paranoia.

00:49:00.139 --> 00:49:05.659
No. No, I am positive these are just your everyday

00:49:05.659 --> 00:49:11.840
Ronald O'Meal immobile flower cuttings. They

00:49:11.840 --> 00:49:17.719
smell wonderful. Okay, anyways. Thank you for

00:49:17.719 --> 00:49:21.730
bearing with me. So, King of the Zombies. tells

00:49:21.730 --> 00:49:24.750
the tale of three Americans who are piloting

00:49:24.750 --> 00:49:28.190
a reconnaissance plane over the Caribbean. The

00:49:28.190 --> 00:49:31.130
two pilots are clearly buddies, and the third

00:49:31.130 --> 00:49:34.429
is the valet, played by African -American comedian

00:49:34.429 --> 00:49:39.130
Mandan Moreland. Naturally, the trio get lost.

00:49:39.710 --> 00:49:44.130
crash land on an island, and run afoul of a mysterious

00:49:44.130 --> 00:49:48.949
Nazi agent practicing voodoo to control a population

00:49:48.949 --> 00:49:53.849
of native zombies for nefarious deeds. Along

00:49:53.849 --> 00:49:57.750
the way, Mandan Moreland provides comic relief

00:49:57.750 --> 00:50:01.070
that is problematic in its minstrel presentation,

00:50:01.349 --> 00:50:04.739
and yet... You can't help but appreciate the

00:50:04.739 --> 00:50:08.840
energy and the charm the actor brings to an otherwise

00:50:08.840 --> 00:50:13.519
lifeless picture. Did you know King of the Zombies

00:50:13.519 --> 00:50:17.280
was even nominated for an Academy Award? Yes,

00:50:17.280 --> 00:50:21.800
it's true, for Best Original Score. As dubious

00:50:21.800 --> 00:50:25.159
as it may seem, it adds an additional bit of

00:50:25.159 --> 00:50:28.940
novelty to this movie. King of the Zombies is

00:50:28.940 --> 00:50:31.500
a poverty row horror film that throws too many

00:50:31.500 --> 00:50:35.320
wild ideas into the mix to be ignored. Check

00:50:35.320 --> 00:50:37.900
this one out, friends, and let me know what you

00:50:37.900 --> 00:50:41.239
think of Mr. Moreland's performance of the rhythmic

00:50:41.239 --> 00:50:44.460
beating of the drums. And if I should have been

00:50:44.460 --> 00:50:48.139
in this movie. You can be honest. I can take

00:50:48.139 --> 00:50:53.559
it. I swear to all that is unholy. Next time

00:50:53.559 --> 00:50:57.039
on the Poverty Row Picture Show. We will revisit

00:50:57.039 --> 00:51:00.679
those East End kids as they get mixed up in a

00:51:00.679 --> 00:51:03.480
haunted house stalked by none other than Bela

00:51:03.480 --> 00:51:07.760
Lugosi and a dwarf assistant in a film called

00:51:07.760 --> 00:51:25.400
Spooks Run Wild. In 1956. he first appeared on

00:51:25.400 --> 00:51:28.460
motion picture screens across the country his

00:51:28.460 --> 00:51:32.300
impact on audiences was instantaneous and unprecedented

00:51:32.300 --> 00:51:36.480
his acting technique was revolutionary his presence

00:51:36.480 --> 00:51:40.860
overwhelming he possessed more raw talent than

00:51:40.860 --> 00:51:44.440
any performer of his generation he soon became

00:51:44.440 --> 00:51:47.960
an international legend a giant who took the

00:51:47.960 --> 00:51:52.079
world by storm then suddenly at the height of

00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:57.400
his fame He retired from motion pictures. Now,

00:51:57.619 --> 00:52:02.420
he is back. And he's more magnificent. More glamorous.

00:52:02.639 --> 00:52:06.320
More devastating than ever. Prepare yourself.

00:52:06.920 --> 00:52:19.519
The greatest star of all has returned. Godzilla

00:52:19.519 --> 00:52:29.230
1985 Coming soon to a theater near you. Let's

00:52:29.230 --> 00:52:32.130
get back to Godzilla vs. Mothra. What are some

00:52:32.130 --> 00:52:36.889
themes that stand out to you, Matt? We're destroying

00:52:36.889 --> 00:52:40.769
the planet, basically. Humans are not doing a

00:52:40.769 --> 00:52:42.909
very good job of taking care of the planet that

00:52:42.909 --> 00:52:45.369
we live on. The movie touches on climate change,

00:52:45.730 --> 00:52:49.449
deforestation, in pretty preachy ways. There

00:52:49.449 --> 00:52:52.210
are numerous explicit lines of dialogue about

00:52:52.210 --> 00:52:55.099
how... The Earth is in peril, and it's because

00:52:55.099 --> 00:52:59.760
of greed and human laziness, basically. Yeah,

00:52:59.820 --> 00:53:02.480
so a very, very major theme. What did you think

00:53:02.480 --> 00:53:06.760
about those themes or that theme's presentation

00:53:06.760 --> 00:53:12.500
in this movie? I do think it's a fair criticism

00:53:12.500 --> 00:53:15.119
to say that they are extremely heavy -handed.

00:53:15.780 --> 00:53:18.380
I do think it's also fair to say that these are

00:53:18.380 --> 00:53:22.250
themes evident in many Godzilla movies. especially

00:53:22.250 --> 00:53:25.090
a Mothra movie, as Mothra kind of represents

00:53:25.090 --> 00:53:29.869
more of that humanity, the relationship between

00:53:29.869 --> 00:53:34.690
humanity and planet Earth. It didn't bother me,

00:53:34.710 --> 00:53:37.070
though, the heavy handedness. I just kind of

00:53:37.070 --> 00:53:40.369
took it in stride, especially when as soon as

00:53:40.369 --> 00:53:43.130
I started to watch this movie, I understood very

00:53:43.130 --> 00:53:46.630
quickly that this was more of a family film than

00:53:46.630 --> 00:53:50.710
a previous Godzilla film. And for better or for

00:53:50.710 --> 00:53:52.809
worse, just because I'm like, oh, this is clearly

00:53:52.809 --> 00:53:56.590
meant more for children, the heavy -handedness

00:53:56.590 --> 00:54:00.170
just kind of fits that tone a little bit easier

00:54:00.170 --> 00:54:03.309
for me. Yeah. It's an easier pill for me to swallow.

00:54:03.710 --> 00:54:06.210
I don't know if that's fair to children, but

00:54:06.210 --> 00:54:12.530
I was like, okay. It's just like, you know, we

00:54:12.530 --> 00:54:17.110
don't want the message to get lost in subtlety.

00:54:17.489 --> 00:54:20.349
Yeah. Yeah, no, I totally agree with everything

00:54:20.349 --> 00:54:22.769
you said, even though I said before that they're

00:54:22.769 --> 00:54:25.550
heavy -handed and preachy, those themes. That's

00:54:25.550 --> 00:54:27.829
definitely true, but I also am kind of okay with

00:54:27.829 --> 00:54:29.550
that. I think it's kind of interesting to see

00:54:29.550 --> 00:54:32.090
this movie from about 30 years ago that over

00:54:32.090 --> 00:54:34.369
and over again is saying, like, climate change

00:54:34.369 --> 00:54:36.769
is a thing. Like, please pay attention. But,

00:54:36.829 --> 00:54:39.889
like, now, 30 years later, it's still obviously

00:54:39.889 --> 00:54:41.889
a thing, and arguably people still aren't doing

00:54:41.889 --> 00:54:44.530
a very good job of doing, you know, doing everything

00:54:44.530 --> 00:54:46.650
they can to protect our planet and conserve the

00:54:46.650 --> 00:54:49.219
environment and stuff like that. So I thought

00:54:49.219 --> 00:54:51.340
that was actually kind of refreshing in a way.

00:54:51.440 --> 00:54:54.039
And I think the ending of this movie, I don't

00:54:54.039 --> 00:54:55.539
want to give away too many spoilers or whatever,

00:54:55.679 --> 00:54:59.400
but it's surprisingly melancholy. Like the music

00:54:59.400 --> 00:55:02.300
over the end credits is pretty sad. We see Mothra

00:55:02.300 --> 00:55:04.300
flying into space and there's like another sort

00:55:04.300 --> 00:55:07.599
of imminent threat to the planet. And, you know,

00:55:07.639 --> 00:55:10.119
even though this movie is family friendly and

00:55:10.119 --> 00:55:12.539
very whimsical and imaginative, I feel like it

00:55:12.539 --> 00:55:16.690
ends on a pretty... sad note like just reminding

00:55:16.690 --> 00:55:20.110
us like you know the earth is not in very good

00:55:20.110 --> 00:55:22.150
shape right now so i kind of actually admire

00:55:22.150 --> 00:55:27.550
that in a way 100 i i i totally dig that the

00:55:27.550 --> 00:55:30.670
idea that it's it's like when we watch the blob

00:55:30.670 --> 00:55:34.670
too and there's a there's a final bit of dialogue

00:55:34.670 --> 00:55:37.630
about well we're safe as long as the arctic is

00:55:37.630 --> 00:55:40.730
frozen and you're just like oh people have been

00:55:40.730 --> 00:55:44.420
talking about climate change for decades We think

00:55:44.420 --> 00:55:49.199
it's only a 21st century problem. Yeah. Big,

00:55:49.219 --> 00:55:52.579
here we go. Big fossil fuel has known about it

00:55:52.579 --> 00:55:59.480
forever. And some of the keener genre films have

00:55:59.480 --> 00:56:02.800
clearly wanted us to get the message as well.

00:56:03.300 --> 00:56:06.480
So yeah, I don't, I don't think it's, I don't

00:56:06.480 --> 00:56:08.820
think it's a bad thing that it's that we're,

00:56:08.820 --> 00:56:11.920
we're yelling to the back row here. Right. Stop

00:56:11.920 --> 00:56:16.960
strip mining. The planet. Totally agree. Yeah.

00:56:17.179 --> 00:56:19.599
And to your point, like that is, you know, a

00:56:19.599 --> 00:56:21.900
theme throughout so many Godzilla movies and

00:56:21.900 --> 00:56:24.480
throughout so many kaiju movies in general. And

00:56:24.480 --> 00:56:26.659
that's one of many reasons I love genre films

00:56:26.659 --> 00:56:29.369
so much because. You know, if you have like a

00:56:29.369 --> 00:56:32.469
preachy message movie or drama, maybe even arguably

00:56:32.469 --> 00:56:34.690
an inconvenient truth, a movie like that, maybe

00:56:34.690 --> 00:56:36.809
people resist that a little bit. But I think

00:56:36.809 --> 00:56:39.389
if you kind of have this like fun, exciting kaiju

00:56:39.389 --> 00:56:41.849
movie that also over and over again is like,

00:56:41.929 --> 00:56:44.190
hey, take care of the planet, please. Like maybe

00:56:44.190 --> 00:56:45.550
it's a little bit easier to accept that way,

00:56:45.590 --> 00:56:50.650
you know? Yeah. Yep, yep, yep. Beyond that, I

00:56:50.650 --> 00:56:53.710
didn't get any other themes from this movie.

00:56:53.889 --> 00:56:59.199
No. Yeah, there's not much going on beneath the

00:56:59.199 --> 00:57:04.340
surface, but maybe that's okay. Yeah. Tied into

00:57:04.340 --> 00:57:07.119
the environmentalism theme is this theme of corporate

00:57:07.119 --> 00:57:10.579
greed, because the main villainous corporation,

00:57:10.800 --> 00:57:13.019
which several of the characters work for, has

00:57:13.019 --> 00:57:16.460
destroyed much of the forests on Infant Island,

00:57:16.659 --> 00:57:18.139
which makes another appearance in this movie.

00:57:18.559 --> 00:57:21.500
And that's pretty much a direct echo of Mothra

00:57:21.500 --> 00:57:25.159
vs. Godzilla from 1964. So I like that kind of

00:57:25.159 --> 00:57:29.400
repeated theme. Or, you know, updated riff on

00:57:29.400 --> 00:57:31.480
the theme, I guess you could say. But, you know,

00:57:31.500 --> 00:57:33.539
I mean, that theme of, like, corporate greed

00:57:33.539 --> 00:57:36.679
is always going to be relevant, unfortunately.

00:57:36.880 --> 00:57:39.860
And I think is certainly relevant in Japan and,

00:57:39.900 --> 00:57:41.539
like, the latter half of the 20th century in

00:57:41.539 --> 00:57:45.960
particular. Yeah, I was just thinking about the

00:57:45.960 --> 00:57:48.920
similarities between this film and Mothra vs.

00:57:49.099 --> 00:57:53.340
Godzilla. You have the rich businessman, the

00:57:53.340 --> 00:57:57.409
greedy corporate... People who just want to use

00:57:57.409 --> 00:58:01.590
Mothra for profit. And they do get theirs in

00:58:01.590 --> 00:58:04.190
the end. I forget what happens to the guy in

00:58:04.190 --> 00:58:08.610
this one. Like the greedy corporate individual.

00:58:09.949 --> 00:58:14.650
He has a scene where he's on the floor. That

00:58:14.650 --> 00:58:20.369
doesn't help. Oh, yeah, but that's an interesting

00:58:20.369 --> 00:58:21.849
scene, though. I remember what you're talking

00:58:21.849 --> 00:58:23.610
about. I feel like that's the last time that

00:58:23.610 --> 00:58:24.989
we see him in this movie, so I don't know if

00:58:24.989 --> 00:58:28.769
we really know his fate. I think he's in a building

00:58:28.769 --> 00:58:31.190
that Mothra, the larval Mothra, does destroy.

00:58:31.949 --> 00:58:36.010
I think you're right. Did we even watch this

00:58:36.010 --> 00:58:41.409
movie? Honestly, with Mothra versus Godzilla

00:58:41.409 --> 00:58:44.030
and some of the other ones, they do kind of...

00:58:44.460 --> 00:58:46.719
Don't hate me, kaiju fans. They do sort of blur

00:58:46.719 --> 00:58:48.539
together a little bit sometimes. So it's kind

00:58:48.539 --> 00:58:50.719
of hard to remember. Well, it's the scene with

00:58:50.719 --> 00:58:55.440
Takahiro Murata. Because he's kind of the admin

00:58:55.440 --> 00:58:58.400
assistant. He's like the secretary to this guy.

00:58:59.079 --> 00:59:02.599
And they have a blow up in the office. And Murata

00:59:02.599 --> 00:59:06.179
says something like, this is the earth getting

00:59:06.179 --> 00:59:10.349
its revenge. And then he storms out. Yeah. Earning

00:59:10.349 --> 00:59:14.849
that Academy Award nomination. Yeah, exactly.

00:59:15.110 --> 00:59:16.809
But then there is that interesting moment that

00:59:16.809 --> 00:59:20.050
you just referenced where the greedy boss, I

00:59:20.050 --> 00:59:23.010
forget his name. You know, he says another thing

00:59:23.010 --> 00:59:24.869
as the other character is leaving. He's like,

00:59:24.929 --> 00:59:26.909
oh, the Earth's life force. What a ridiculous

00:59:26.909 --> 00:59:28.789
concept or something like that. But then he like

00:59:28.789 --> 00:59:31.250
falls to his knees and like seems to bury his

00:59:31.250 --> 00:59:33.510
head in his hands or something. So it's a very

00:59:33.510 --> 00:59:35.110
brief moment where you're like, whoa, is there

00:59:35.110 --> 00:59:37.010
like a shade of depth to this character? Where

00:59:37.010 --> 00:59:40.690
did this come from? Yeah, this otherwise mustache

00:59:40.690 --> 00:59:47.750
twirling. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Man, you

00:59:47.750 --> 00:59:49.730
remember that moment in Mothra versus Godzilla

00:59:49.730 --> 00:59:55.909
when the main antagonist, he gets killed. They

00:59:55.909 --> 01:00:00.150
like see the they see Mothra out the window and

01:00:00.150 --> 01:00:03.090
then someone gets shot right in the head. Whoa.

01:00:03.269 --> 01:00:05.869
I honestly don't remember that. No. Yeah, I know.

01:00:05.929 --> 01:00:11.059
It's graphic. Huh? Someone gets murdered right

01:00:11.059 --> 01:00:14.480
in the thick of it. One of the bad guys? Yeah.

01:00:15.280 --> 01:00:17.000
Now I feel like I need to rewatch that movie

01:00:17.000 --> 01:00:21.320
too. It's been a couple years. There was another,

01:00:21.519 --> 01:00:23.460
sorry, I'm trying to think there was another

01:00:23.460 --> 01:00:25.880
Godzilla movie where there's like a big subplot

01:00:25.880 --> 01:00:27.800
about like a highway that they're building and

01:00:27.800 --> 01:00:30.440
there are a bunch of protesters. And now, of

01:00:30.440 --> 01:00:31.840
course, I can't remember what movie that was.

01:00:31.900 --> 01:00:35.980
I feel like it was from the 70s, maybe late 60s.

01:00:35.980 --> 01:00:39.440
You know what I think you're thinking of? is

01:00:39.440 --> 01:00:43.119
Gamera versus Gauss. Oh, yeah, I think you're

01:00:43.119 --> 01:00:46.239
right. Yeah. This just kind of proves the point

01:00:46.239 --> 01:00:49.000
that not just Godzilla movies, but kaiju in general,

01:00:49.039 --> 01:00:53.300
it's a very common theme. Yeah. So if any other

01:00:53.300 --> 01:00:56.500
themes come up, let's definitely talk about them.

01:00:56.559 --> 01:00:59.320
But I think we can get to our breakdowns. Yeah,

01:00:59.320 --> 01:01:01.820
for sure. That sounds good. I have some form

01:01:01.820 --> 01:01:03.400
and aesthetic stuff, but I'll wrap that up in

01:01:03.400 --> 01:01:06.619
my breakdowns. Okay, sounds good. Cool. All right.

01:01:07.369 --> 01:01:11.800
What's good about this movie to you? I mean,

01:01:11.840 --> 01:01:15.059
it looks really beautiful. There are several

01:01:15.059 --> 01:01:18.820
striking visual moments throughout, sorry, throughout.

01:01:19.099 --> 01:01:21.460
That's a hard word to say, apparently. My favorite

01:01:21.460 --> 01:01:26.099
example is when the larval Mothra is like building

01:01:26.099 --> 01:01:29.099
a cocoon around herself on some building. I think

01:01:29.099 --> 01:01:30.940
it's like the National Diet Building, which I

01:01:30.940 --> 01:01:33.119
don't understand what that is. But there's a

01:01:33.119 --> 01:01:35.820
really gorgeous moment where it's like dusk and

01:01:35.820 --> 01:01:38.260
she's like spinning a silk cocoon around herself.

01:01:40.840 --> 01:01:44.019
the cocoon in her imago stage and ifa kube's

01:01:44.019 --> 01:01:46.760
beautiful score is playing it's just a gorgeous

01:01:46.760 --> 01:01:49.519
moment and it's kind of slow paced i feel like

01:01:49.519 --> 01:01:51.639
the movie slows down to let us enjoy that for

01:01:51.639 --> 01:01:54.199
a little bit and i really loved that there are

01:01:54.199 --> 01:01:56.420
some really great kaiju battles i think all the

01:01:56.420 --> 01:01:58.400
underwater stuff especially the first battle

01:01:58.400 --> 01:02:01.760
underwater between godzilla and batra is really

01:02:01.760 --> 01:02:03.920
gorgeous and like some really good underwater

01:02:03.920 --> 01:02:08.550
effects in there as well Let's see here. The

01:02:08.550 --> 01:02:11.969
like urban destruction scene of Mothra, like

01:02:11.969 --> 01:02:14.809
annihilating, I believe it's Yokohama. It's like

01:02:14.809 --> 01:02:18.030
the first kind of monster attack scene in this

01:02:18.030 --> 01:02:20.369
movie. Looks really gorgeous. I love the model

01:02:20.369 --> 01:02:24.449
effect in this model effects in this movie. Yeah,

01:02:24.449 --> 01:02:27.090
I, you know, I guess maybe I'll just leave it

01:02:27.090 --> 01:02:30.010
at that. Like aesthetically, it's a really striking,

01:02:30.130 --> 01:02:33.929
beautiful, well -made movie. Yeah, I'll save

01:02:33.929 --> 01:02:36.429
some other stuff for my later breakdowns. Okay.

01:02:37.130 --> 01:02:39.449
The first thing that comes to mind with this

01:02:39.449 --> 01:02:42.949
movie that I love is Fukube's score, particularly

01:02:42.949 --> 01:02:45.730
in that moment with the larval Mothra spinning

01:02:45.730 --> 01:02:51.110
her cocoon. What he does with that, it's beautiful,

01:02:51.469 --> 01:02:54.909
it's poetic, and coupled with the lighting of

01:02:54.909 --> 01:02:58.510
this film in that moment, there's like a sunset.

01:03:00.050 --> 01:03:03.269
It's, again, poetry is what came to my mind.

01:03:04.030 --> 01:03:08.150
And the final battle at an amusement park. Just

01:03:08.150 --> 01:03:10.789
the use of lighting. It's a nighttime sequence.

01:03:12.030 --> 01:03:15.409
Lighting is done really effectively with smoke

01:03:15.409 --> 01:03:20.389
effects. And I was impressed with that aspect

01:03:20.389 --> 01:03:25.449
of the film. I love Batra as an antagonist. I

01:03:25.449 --> 01:03:29.110
love the design of Mothra in this movie. I think

01:03:29.110 --> 01:03:34.659
that all works really well. Those are my big

01:03:34.659 --> 01:03:38.380
takeaways for the positives of this film. Yeah,

01:03:38.420 --> 01:03:41.320
totally agree. Sorry, I guess I would just repeat,

01:03:41.500 --> 01:03:46.380
I do kind of like how direct and sincere the

01:03:46.380 --> 01:03:48.260
environmental themes are, even though they are

01:03:48.260 --> 01:03:50.300
preachy and heavy -handed. Again, I'm kind of

01:03:50.300 --> 01:03:54.340
okay with that. Yeah. What are you not okay with?

01:03:55.039 --> 01:03:58.039
As usual, the human characters are not very interesting.

01:03:58.739 --> 01:04:01.019
And I think that's especially glaring in this

01:04:01.019 --> 01:04:04.280
movie. I feel like... It might have been interesting

01:04:04.280 --> 01:04:07.269
because like the two. You know, there's like

01:04:07.269 --> 01:04:09.750
this archaeologist, Indiana Jones -like character,

01:04:09.809 --> 01:04:11.670
and then his ex -wife who works for the kind

01:04:11.670 --> 01:04:13.889
of evil, greedy corporation. And they're forced

01:04:13.889 --> 01:04:17.369
to reunite on this project. But, you know, that

01:04:17.369 --> 01:04:18.789
could have been a compelling theme, but like

01:04:18.789 --> 01:04:21.269
those characters are introduced so poorly. And

01:04:21.269 --> 01:04:23.570
like the fact that they used to be married is

01:04:23.570 --> 01:04:25.710
like told to the audience by like a totally different

01:04:25.710 --> 01:04:27.969
character. It's like, well, why don't we should

01:04:27.969 --> 01:04:29.829
see that? We shouldn't be told about that, you

01:04:29.829 --> 01:04:32.409
know? So that's one example where like the human

01:04:32.409 --> 01:04:35.400
relationships are not very well conveyed. I do

01:04:35.400 --> 01:04:37.280
think like the Indiana Jones stuff, not to make

01:04:37.280 --> 01:04:40.559
too big of a deal about it, but it is very blatantly

01:04:40.559 --> 01:04:42.480
just like trying to rip off a very successful

01:04:42.480 --> 01:04:46.699
franchise. So that's not great. And then like

01:04:46.699 --> 01:04:48.760
it kind of in a way, the human stuff, I think

01:04:48.760 --> 01:04:51.300
it's even worse because like at a certain point,

01:04:51.360 --> 01:04:52.860
they don't have anything to do with this movie

01:04:52.860 --> 01:04:54.699
at all. Like it's just all about the monsters.

01:04:54.739 --> 01:04:57.619
But like we still have repeated cutaways to the

01:04:57.619 --> 01:05:00.519
human characters just looking at the fight scenes

01:05:00.519 --> 01:05:03.380
and like reacting, which are sort of fun. But

01:05:03.380 --> 01:05:05.340
at the same time, it's like we don't need this

01:05:05.340 --> 01:05:07.239
at all. Like it has nothing to do with the movie.

01:05:07.840 --> 01:05:11.619
So, yeah, as usual, the human stuff is not. Not

01:05:11.619 --> 01:05:13.780
very interesting, and it could have been more

01:05:13.780 --> 01:05:15.400
interesting, but it's just very poorly done.

01:05:16.280 --> 01:05:20.900
Totally agree. I think that leads into my biggest

01:05:20.900 --> 01:05:24.639
criticism of the film is not just the script,

01:05:24.679 --> 01:05:27.500
but the way relations are fleshed out with the

01:05:27.500 --> 01:05:32.260
monsters themselves, even. I don't think Godzilla

01:05:32.260 --> 01:05:36.599
is needed in this movie, and I love seeing him,

01:05:36.719 --> 01:05:41.960
but I think... This is my take. I think this

01:05:41.960 --> 01:05:45.780
is a good Mothra movie and not a great Godzilla

01:05:45.780 --> 01:05:49.679
movie. Yeah. I don't know why Godzilla's there.

01:05:50.000 --> 01:05:55.739
I also don't know really why Mothra and Batra

01:05:55.739 --> 01:06:00.380
become friends at the end. Right. Other than

01:06:00.380 --> 01:06:04.300
just like the script needs them then to fight

01:06:04.300 --> 01:06:08.449
Godzilla. Maybe Mothra. it looks like to give

01:06:08.449 --> 01:06:11.849
credit to where the film is doing. I do think

01:06:11.849 --> 01:06:15.769
Mothra, it is, it is, it is visually told to

01:06:15.769 --> 01:06:19.570
us that Mothra sees that Batra is hurt. And because

01:06:19.570 --> 01:06:23.130
Mothra is a force for good, God bless her. She,

01:06:23.230 --> 01:06:27.110
she heals Batra because she is, you know, an

01:06:27.110 --> 01:06:29.989
all forgiving character. So like, I do understand

01:06:29.989 --> 01:06:35.010
maybe where we were trying to go, but I'm watching

01:06:35.010 --> 01:06:39.039
this fight going. I'm just ping -ponging between

01:06:39.039 --> 01:06:45.519
relationships, and I didn't care for it. It sounded

01:06:45.519 --> 01:06:52.480
really harsh just then. That was garbage. No,

01:06:52.500 --> 01:06:55.199
it wasn't. It wasn't that bad. I imagined you

01:06:55.199 --> 01:06:57.780
shifting your monocle when you said that and

01:06:57.780 --> 01:07:02.780
twirling your mustache. Oh, but one more thing.

01:07:03.480 --> 01:07:07.039
I'm really getting into it now. I think... Mothra

01:07:07.039 --> 01:07:09.480
and Batra are fighting. And I think the effects

01:07:09.480 --> 01:07:12.579
are really great. The flying effects through

01:07:12.579 --> 01:07:16.719
the night sky and this and that. And Batra is

01:07:16.719 --> 01:07:20.599
firing off these laser beams. And Mothra's not

01:07:20.599 --> 01:07:23.659
doing anything to fight back. It's kind of a

01:07:23.659 --> 01:07:26.800
really one -sided fight. And this is where my

01:07:26.800 --> 01:07:29.619
criticism of Mothra comes into this movie. In

01:07:29.619 --> 01:07:33.880
this moment, why didn't Mothra fight Batra? Maybe

01:07:33.880 --> 01:07:38.050
there was backstory. But it wasn't obvious enough

01:07:38.050 --> 01:07:41.989
for me. And then Mothra does use her laser beams

01:07:41.989 --> 01:07:45.070
against Godzilla. And I kind of flipped the table.

01:07:45.150 --> 01:07:48.469
I was like, you had these the whole time? Yeah.

01:07:48.650 --> 01:07:52.690
Right. And why is Mothra so mad at Godzilla,

01:07:52.849 --> 01:07:56.150
like you alluded to before? Godzilla is being

01:07:56.150 --> 01:07:58.110
destructive as usual, but that seems to be the

01:07:58.110 --> 01:08:00.510
only reason for this animosity between them,

01:08:00.550 --> 01:08:07.710
you know? Yeah. Yeah. I totally agree. There

01:08:07.710 --> 01:08:11.070
are some things I liked about that. Like I think

01:08:11.070 --> 01:08:13.349
it's, and I didn't, if you had anything else

01:08:13.349 --> 01:08:15.550
to say, I didn't mean to cut you off there. Well,

01:08:15.590 --> 01:08:18.890
I think like with Mothra and Batra, it's kind

01:08:18.890 --> 01:08:20.710
of interesting in like a metaphysical way is

01:08:20.710 --> 01:08:24.369
like the good and evil destructive forces of

01:08:24.369 --> 01:08:27.069
like the same figure or entity or person, you

01:08:27.069 --> 01:08:30.840
know, like, like. considering that Mothra and

01:08:30.840 --> 01:08:34.659
Batra are like alter egos, it's kind of interesting

01:08:34.659 --> 01:08:37.279
to think that like they both are here to protect

01:08:37.279 --> 01:08:39.239
the planet, but one does so through peace and

01:08:39.239 --> 01:08:41.380
love and the other does so through like utter

01:08:41.380 --> 01:08:43.119
destruction. Like that's kind of a cool idea

01:08:43.119 --> 01:08:45.500
to me, but it's not well conveyed in this movie

01:08:45.500 --> 01:08:47.159
at all. You kind of have to come up with that

01:08:47.159 --> 01:08:49.420
yourself, you know, like, or you kind of have

01:08:49.420 --> 01:08:53.100
to like fill in some things that the movie doesn't,

01:08:53.100 --> 01:08:55.079
I don't think really intended. You know what

01:08:55.079 --> 01:08:57.760
I mean? Right. Yeah. That's just it. Like, I

01:08:57.760 --> 01:09:01.939
feel like, There's that movie in here somewhere.

01:09:02.260 --> 01:09:06.020
Yeah. But it is what we get. And I'm not complaining

01:09:06.020 --> 01:09:10.319
about a killer kaiju movie with some great action

01:09:10.319 --> 01:09:13.640
set pieces. I'm just looking at the script and

01:09:13.640 --> 01:09:18.180
thinking this needs another pass. Yeah. We need

01:09:18.180 --> 01:09:21.399
another rewrite here. For sure. I feel like you

01:09:21.399 --> 01:09:23.699
can tell that, like, Atomi, I believe is his

01:09:23.699 --> 01:09:25.439
name, the screenwriter, Kazumi Atomi, is that

01:09:25.439 --> 01:09:28.720
his name? Omori. Mori, sorry. You know, he had

01:09:28.720 --> 01:09:31.739
the initial scripts, like the Mothra versus Bagan.

01:09:32.199 --> 01:09:34.600
And then they really rushed this into production

01:09:34.600 --> 01:09:37.279
after the success of Godzilla versus King Ghidorah.

01:09:37.399 --> 01:09:39.239
And I feel like there were just too many producers

01:09:39.239 --> 01:09:41.960
who were like, we got to throw in Godzilla. Like,

01:09:41.979 --> 01:09:43.640
we got to do this. We got to make it more family

01:09:43.640 --> 01:09:45.779
friendly, all this stuff. And it's like, yeah,

01:09:45.819 --> 01:09:47.500
to your point, they should have spent a lot more

01:09:47.500 --> 01:09:52.079
time on pre -production. Yeah, yeah. So campy

01:09:52.079 --> 01:09:55.390
things. I don't know. What do you got? Well,

01:09:55.409 --> 01:09:57.149
there are a lot of specific moments in the kaiju

01:09:57.149 --> 01:09:58.989
battles that I thought were really fun. Like

01:09:58.989 --> 01:10:02.270
at the end when I think it's Mothra, but it might

01:10:02.270 --> 01:10:05.409
be Batra who like lifts up an entire Ferris wheel

01:10:05.409 --> 01:10:08.069
and like throws it into Godzilla. Really love

01:10:08.069 --> 01:10:10.529
that. I was laughing a lot at that part. So that's

01:10:10.529 --> 01:10:13.270
a little campy. And then like the way that Mothra

01:10:13.270 --> 01:10:16.329
and Batra at the end, like carry Godzilla, they

01:10:16.329 --> 01:10:18.529
like, like one takes the head and one takes the

01:10:18.529 --> 01:10:20.069
tail. I just thought that was kind of fun and

01:10:20.069 --> 01:10:23.609
silly in terms of. maybe a little more campy

01:10:23.609 --> 01:10:25.810
than just like fun i think like the daughter

01:10:25.810 --> 01:10:29.210
character that the you know estranged husband

01:10:29.210 --> 01:10:34.789
and wife have together is just so so blatantly

01:10:34.789 --> 01:10:36.930
like just kind of like a concession to like young

01:10:36.930 --> 01:10:39.569
audiences you know and it's kind of like not

01:10:39.569 --> 01:10:43.130
very convincing in this movie and has some pretty

01:10:43.130 --> 01:10:45.590
clunky lines of dialogue just about you know

01:10:45.590 --> 01:10:49.109
saving earth and stuff like that that character

01:10:49.109 --> 01:10:52.220
in general is just yeah i don't know if campy's

01:10:52.220 --> 01:10:55.000
the right word but just like over the top far

01:10:55.000 --> 01:10:58.439
-fetched pretty it feels pretty fake yeah yeah

01:10:58.439 --> 01:11:03.279
i think it's so funny i i think i was taking

01:11:03.279 --> 01:11:05.920
this movie a little more seriously than i should

01:11:05.920 --> 01:11:10.079
have when i first began so it really with me

01:11:10.079 --> 01:11:12.500
this film didn't stand a chance but by the end

01:11:12.500 --> 01:11:16.859
i i i allowed myself to lighten up a little bit

01:11:20.270 --> 01:11:22.970
As I think one needs to do when watching this

01:11:22.970 --> 01:11:25.329
movie, not like not take it too seriously, you

01:11:25.329 --> 01:11:28.229
know? And there was a moment that happened in

01:11:28.229 --> 01:11:30.770
the final fight between Godzilla, Mothra and

01:11:30.770 --> 01:11:34.729
Batra. As soon as Mothra and Batra become allies,

01:11:34.890 --> 01:11:40.970
the movie, the camera cuts to Godzilla. And to

01:11:40.970 --> 01:11:44.229
me, Godzilla gave a reaction like, ah, crap.

01:11:46.210 --> 01:11:51.909
Yeah. right yeah there is like a surprising amount

01:11:51.909 --> 01:11:53.930
of like expression from Godzilla in this movie

01:11:53.930 --> 01:11:56.109
even though it's just one suit so maybe it's

01:11:56.109 --> 01:11:58.789
more you know just like the magic of editing

01:11:58.789 --> 01:12:00.430
that makes you believe that but like it seems

01:12:00.430 --> 01:12:03.390
like a human character yeah no I think the suit

01:12:03.390 --> 01:12:06.909
mechanics animatronics on Godzilla's face are

01:12:06.909 --> 01:12:12.510
incredible yeah like that's that's like so so

01:12:12.510 --> 01:12:16.750
ingenuity and such ingenuity and craftsmanship

01:12:16.750 --> 01:12:21.880
to make this rubber suit as expression as full

01:12:21.880 --> 01:12:25.220
of expression as it is. Yeah. And there's a similar

01:12:25.220 --> 01:12:27.539
moment with the larval Mothra towards the beginning

01:12:27.539 --> 01:12:30.020
where she is like swimming through the water

01:12:30.020 --> 01:12:32.579
and just the movement of Mothra, like, which

01:12:32.579 --> 01:12:34.420
seems to be kind of like going up and down as

01:12:34.420 --> 01:12:37.359
like a worm might actually do in water is like

01:12:37.359 --> 01:12:39.779
really impressive. It's very well done. Yeah.

01:12:39.899 --> 01:12:43.779
Yeah. I like that fight too in the, in the, in

01:12:43.779 --> 01:12:47.460
the ocean. between Mothra and Godzilla when Mothra

01:12:47.460 --> 01:12:50.539
first hatches out of the egg. Yeah, hadn't seen

01:12:50.539 --> 01:12:53.020
that too often before. So I thought that was

01:12:53.020 --> 01:12:56.819
new and interesting. I like that a lot as well,

01:12:56.899 --> 01:12:59.159
yeah. And again, just like a very beautiful scene.

01:12:59.239 --> 01:13:01.159
You have like bright blue skies and like the

01:13:01.159 --> 01:13:03.199
wide open ocean and all that. It's very, very

01:13:03.199 --> 01:13:06.239
nice to look at. Yeah. I'm trying to think of

01:13:06.239 --> 01:13:10.460
other things. Otherwise, I'm okay wrapping this

01:13:10.460 --> 01:13:16.109
up. I had to say... You know, back to our mustache

01:13:16.109 --> 01:13:20.390
twirling villain. It's the same. I just thought

01:13:20.390 --> 01:13:25.810
he's so determined to kidnap and enslave the

01:13:25.810 --> 01:13:30.369
cosmos. I'm like, you can't just do that. Right.

01:13:30.670 --> 01:13:32.810
Which is like the same exact thing that happens

01:13:32.810 --> 01:13:35.050
in Mothra versus Godzilla. The same operation

01:13:35.050 --> 01:13:38.949
takes them. Just because they're, you know, 12

01:13:38.949 --> 01:13:41.930
inches tall doesn't mean they don't have agency.

01:13:42.189 --> 01:13:44.680
They're still like. I guess humans, I don't know,

01:13:44.699 --> 01:13:46.899
but like you can't enslave them for your own

01:13:46.899 --> 01:13:51.420
gain. Yeah. Another example of an extremely obvious

01:13:51.420 --> 01:13:54.760
heavy handed theme, but yeah. Like what, what

01:13:54.760 --> 01:13:56.960
are they even going to use the cosmos for? Like

01:13:56.960 --> 01:13:58.859
there's one moment where it's like, Oh, we can

01:13:58.859 --> 01:14:00.739
use them for publicity. It's like, is that the

01:14:00.739 --> 01:14:02.500
entire reason you're doing this? That seems like

01:14:02.500 --> 01:14:05.359
a terrible idea. And for how long? Right. What's

01:14:05.359 --> 01:14:08.779
the board going to say? What's Becky at accounting

01:14:08.779 --> 01:14:12.260
going to say? Like this has, this can't. You

01:14:12.260 --> 01:14:14.920
can't get away with this. Yeah. Their stock prices

01:14:14.920 --> 01:14:18.960
are going to plummet. Yeah. There's kind of a

01:14:18.960 --> 01:14:21.119
lot of campy stuff with the cosmos. Like there's

01:14:21.119 --> 01:14:22.579
one moment where they're sleeping inside of a

01:14:22.579 --> 01:14:24.220
shirt pocket. I thought that was kind of cute.

01:14:25.180 --> 01:14:28.319
And yeah, just, I don't know. I can't really

01:14:28.319 --> 01:14:30.420
think of too many other examples, but with both

01:14:30.420 --> 01:14:32.539
the show being or the show regime and the cosmos

01:14:32.539 --> 01:14:34.779
in this movie, I like those characters a lot.

01:14:34.800 --> 01:14:36.920
They're a lot of fun. Yeah. I wish they would

01:14:36.920 --> 01:14:41.460
come back in the same way. In the newer movies.

01:14:41.539 --> 01:14:46.100
In the Monsterverse. Legendary movies. They're

01:14:46.100 --> 01:14:50.420
not really a part of Mothra's story. And I really

01:14:50.420 --> 01:14:54.100
wish they would be. Yeah. That's too bad. I was

01:14:54.100 --> 01:14:55.859
also hoping that there would be more appearances

01:14:55.859 --> 01:14:59.020
of Batra. In future movies. But I don't think

01:14:59.020 --> 01:15:03.560
that is the case. No it's not sadly. Maybe someday.

01:15:04.039 --> 01:15:09.520
Someday who knows. Well then. Let's give this.

01:15:10.270 --> 01:15:15.170
Bad boy, a rating. Should I go through our ratings

01:15:15.170 --> 01:15:17.930
as usual? It wouldn't be an episode without it.

01:15:18.210 --> 01:15:21.369
Exactly. Yeah. So our top rating is it's a timeless

01:15:21.369 --> 01:15:23.609
classic. It definitely stands the test of time.

01:15:23.729 --> 01:15:26.069
Our second rating, there may be some antiquated

01:15:26.069 --> 01:15:28.130
moments, but overall it's great. It stands the

01:15:28.130 --> 01:15:31.130
test of time. Number three, it may be historically

01:15:31.130 --> 01:15:33.569
significant or just fun, but it does not stand

01:15:33.569 --> 01:15:36.510
the test of time. Number four, it is not worth

01:15:36.510 --> 01:15:38.750
revisiting. It definitely does not stand the

01:15:38.750 --> 01:15:43.340
test of time. I, I think I've seen this movie

01:15:43.340 --> 01:15:48.079
a few times now. I think it has a lot of potential

01:15:48.079 --> 01:15:53.640
to be more compelling than it is. I like the

01:15:53.640 --> 01:15:56.760
family friendly things. I can't wait to show

01:15:56.760 --> 01:16:00.720
my kid this movie. But for me, that's not exactly

01:16:00.720 --> 01:16:04.699
the tone I'm always in the mood for. So it's

01:16:04.699 --> 01:16:07.159
very hard for me to keep my attention. glued

01:16:07.159 --> 01:16:09.359
to what's happening, especially when the relationships

01:16:09.359 --> 01:16:13.479
and the human characters are as lifeless as they

01:16:13.479 --> 01:16:17.560
are or confusing. So for me, I think this movie

01:16:17.560 --> 01:16:20.640
has a lot of great moments. I think the visual

01:16:20.640 --> 01:16:24.380
effects are great. The Fukube score is a masterpiece,

01:16:24.619 --> 01:16:28.619
and I don't use that word lightly. However, I

01:16:28.619 --> 01:16:32.760
don't think it stands the test of time, but it

01:16:32.760 --> 01:16:36.840
has a lot of great individual elements. That's

01:16:36.840 --> 01:16:39.640
great. Objectively, I do totally agree with that,

01:16:39.720 --> 01:16:42.079
but you're right that I am going to overrate

01:16:42.079 --> 01:16:44.020
this movie. I know I'm overrating it, but for

01:16:44.020 --> 01:16:46.479
me, I have to give it our second highest rating.

01:16:47.420 --> 01:16:50.119
To me, it did stand the test of time. This was

01:16:50.119 --> 01:16:52.539
the first time I saw it, but I really like these

01:16:52.539 --> 01:16:57.300
Heisei Godzilla movies so far. put a little bit

01:16:57.300 --> 01:17:00.460
too much stock in visual style and aesthetic

01:17:00.460 --> 01:17:03.659
form. Soundtrack, the Ifukube soundtrack. But

01:17:03.659 --> 01:17:06.979
this movie just looks so beautiful. And in almost

01:17:06.979 --> 01:17:09.760
every scene, there's something striking to look

01:17:09.760 --> 01:17:12.479
at. Maybe not almost every scene, but there's

01:17:12.479 --> 01:17:16.659
a lot of visually spectacular stuff. You know,

01:17:16.680 --> 01:17:20.159
I do actually like the kind of preachy, heavy

01:17:20.159 --> 01:17:23.600
-handed themes. I kind of, you know, if you're

01:17:23.600 --> 01:17:26.439
not going to stick up for the... health of our

01:17:26.439 --> 01:17:27.939
planet what are you going to stick up for you

01:17:27.939 --> 01:17:31.279
know so it's it's charming it's and like you

01:17:31.279 --> 01:17:33.380
said before vincent like i think if it's trying

01:17:33.380 --> 01:17:35.760
to sort of like get young audience members like

01:17:35.760 --> 01:17:37.960
kids to sort of like believe very passionately

01:17:37.960 --> 01:17:40.039
about that i think that's ultimately a really

01:17:40.039 --> 01:17:42.600
good thing you know i think the kaiju battles

01:17:42.600 --> 01:17:44.699
are really fun to watch you're right that a lot

01:17:44.699 --> 01:17:47.119
of the time they don't make a lot of sense with

01:17:47.119 --> 01:17:50.180
godzilla it's Like he seems to just be mad that

01:17:50.180 --> 01:17:52.359
he like now is back on earth. Like, cause he

01:17:52.359 --> 01:17:54.619
like, there's a meteorite that strikes earth

01:17:54.619 --> 01:17:57.000
in the first scene, which is kind of a continuation

01:17:57.000 --> 01:17:59.420
of the previous movie. And that seems to be the

01:17:59.420 --> 01:18:00.979
only reason that he's here and that he's mad,

01:18:01.140 --> 01:18:03.600
which I, in a way is kind of fun to me. Like

01:18:03.600 --> 01:18:06.180
it's just here and he's doing his thing. Like

01:18:06.180 --> 01:18:08.039
it's, it's a flaw and it's, I wish there had

01:18:08.039 --> 01:18:09.739
been more to it, but at the same time I just

01:18:09.739 --> 01:18:13.680
found that kind of funny. Yeah. So yeah, a very

01:18:13.680 --> 01:18:16.420
flawed movie. Could have been a lot better. But

01:18:16.420 --> 01:18:18.340
as it is, I still found it really entertaining

01:18:18.340 --> 01:18:21.220
and beautiful. And I'm excited to watch more

01:18:21.220 --> 01:18:22.779
of these Heisei movies because I'm really liking

01:18:22.779 --> 01:18:29.579
them a lot. I love that. I mean, you asked me

01:18:29.579 --> 01:18:32.399
my favorite era of Godzilla films. This is my

01:18:32.399 --> 01:18:35.119
favorite time period. The next film, Godzilla

01:18:35.119 --> 01:18:39.779
vs. Mechagodzilla 2. I love that movie. Then

01:18:39.779 --> 01:18:43.149
you have Godzilla vs. SpaceGodzilla. Which kind

01:18:43.149 --> 01:18:45.689
of gets a bad rap, but it's a guilty pleasure

01:18:45.689 --> 01:18:49.229
of mine. And then the final one is Godzilla vs.

01:18:49.829 --> 01:18:54.550
Destoroyah. Very Japanese name. Yeah. But that's

01:18:54.550 --> 01:18:56.850
regarded as one of the best Godzilla movies ever

01:18:56.850 --> 01:19:03.390
made. Wow. So, I mean, Godzilla vs. Mothra may

01:19:03.390 --> 01:19:07.729
not be my favorite of this bunch, but it's still

01:19:07.729 --> 01:19:09.909
a pretty high bar to everything you were saying.

01:19:10.660 --> 01:19:12.779
Yeah, and that makes me very excited to continue

01:19:12.779 --> 01:19:16.140
with this era of Godzilla films. And I yeah,

01:19:16.199 --> 01:19:18.039
like after I see some more, maybe I'll think

01:19:18.039 --> 01:19:20.159
a little bit less of Godzilla versus Mothra knowing

01:19:20.159 --> 01:19:21.960
like we've seen a couple of really great ones.

01:19:22.039 --> 01:19:24.659
But like, I think over time, it'll become apparent

01:19:24.659 --> 01:19:26.420
that this maybe is not the best of this era.

01:19:26.520 --> 01:19:28.840
But, you know, maybe that kind of goes to show

01:19:28.840 --> 01:19:31.359
that even the subpar Heisei era Godzilla movies

01:19:31.359 --> 01:19:34.119
still have a lot of pleasure to them. And maybe

01:19:34.119 --> 01:19:36.159
next time I watch this movie, I'll watch the

01:19:36.159 --> 01:19:40.579
subtitled version. Maybe it's maybe the. the

01:19:40.579 --> 01:19:44.319
pictures cleared up to over my VHS, which is

01:19:44.319 --> 01:19:48.260
clearly a, a transfer from the VHS or sorry,

01:19:48.319 --> 01:19:50.680
my DVD, which is a transfer of the VHS from the

01:19:50.680 --> 01:19:54.979
nineties. So maybe you just watched a better

01:19:54.979 --> 01:19:59.619
quality film. Yeah, it's, it's certainly possible.

01:19:59.880 --> 01:20:03.539
I mean, again, it's, it is strikingly beautiful.

01:20:03.579 --> 01:20:05.819
So I think probably like a sharper transfer might

01:20:05.819 --> 01:20:07.859
help some of that stuff as well. Yeah. Yeah.

01:20:08.279 --> 01:20:12.470
Cool. Well, everybody, please let us know your

01:20:12.470 --> 01:20:16.750
thoughts. Before you do that, remember that Dracula's

01:20:16.750 --> 01:20:19.409
Daughter, we have some cut -for -time bonus content

01:20:19.409 --> 01:20:22.050
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01:20:26.470 --> 01:20:29.149
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01:20:29.329 --> 01:20:32.390
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01:21:59.510 --> 01:22:01.390
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01:22:01.390 --> 01:22:04.729
could it be? It's Godzilla time. Godzilla is

01:22:04.729 --> 01:22:08.989
back. Oh, no. It's Godzilla versus Mothra. Okay,

01:22:09.090 --> 01:22:11.210
China monster checklist. Planet in peril? I'm

01:22:11.210 --> 01:22:13.329
afraid it looks like we may be headed for doomsday.

01:22:13.409 --> 01:22:18.229
Oh, no. Check. Men in rubber suits? Check. Monsters

01:22:18.229 --> 01:22:21.279
who only attack Japan? Check. It should reach

01:22:21.279 --> 01:22:24.460
Japan tomorrow afternoon. Oh, no! So, a meteor

01:22:24.460 --> 01:22:27.020
crashes on Earth, waking Godzilla and unearthing

01:22:27.020 --> 01:22:29.300
Mothra's egg. But none of that matters. What

01:22:29.300 --> 01:22:32.340
is all this? It's all about giant monsters doing

01:22:32.340 --> 01:22:34.239
what they do best. What could possibly happen

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01:22:54.300 --> 01:23:06.119
What could possibly stop all of them? Hey, Vincent.

01:23:06.279 --> 01:23:08.380
How are you doing tonight? I'm excited to talk

01:23:08.380 --> 01:23:11.319
about this movie. We have Naomi on, which I'm

01:23:11.319 --> 01:23:13.979
always excited about. Yeah. Thank you for having

01:23:13.979 --> 01:23:17.520
me. Yeah. How are you doing? I'm doing great.

01:23:17.600 --> 01:23:20.880
I was super excited that you guys wanted me on

01:23:20.880 --> 01:23:23.439
this episode because I have never seen this movie

01:23:23.439 --> 01:23:26.359
and good friends show you good movies. And that

01:23:26.359 --> 01:23:29.140
is what happened. So thank you for having me.

01:23:29.239 --> 01:23:32.869
Very happy to be here. Well, thank you, as always,

01:23:32.909 --> 01:23:34.989
for joining us. We really love having you on

01:23:34.989 --> 01:23:38.010
the show. Really appreciate your unique perspective

01:23:38.010 --> 01:23:40.569
on movies, just how many movies you've seen.

01:23:40.609 --> 01:23:42.550
It boggles the mind how many movies you watch.

01:23:42.869 --> 01:23:44.729
And always a pleasure to talk with you about

01:23:44.729 --> 01:23:47.529
movies. So thanks again for joining us. Of course,

01:23:47.569 --> 01:23:50.810
of course. Dracula's Daughter actually was my

01:23:50.810 --> 01:23:56.529
130th film that I've watched in 2025. So it was

01:23:56.529 --> 01:23:59.510
kind of satisfying to have a nice number on that

01:23:59.510 --> 01:24:04.319
one. That makes me think I'm going to check out

01:24:04.319 --> 01:24:09.060
my letterbox right now. And not the Camp Kaiju

01:24:09.060 --> 01:24:12.140
profile, shameless plug, but my personal one

01:24:12.140 --> 01:24:17.020
where I watched non -monster movies. This year,

01:24:17.119 --> 01:24:22.380
I've watched 21 movies. Well, that's reasonable.

01:24:22.859 --> 01:24:26.460
You know, 130 is just bonkers. And I'm aware

01:24:26.460 --> 01:24:29.340
of that. It's high even for me. I thought it

01:24:29.340 --> 01:24:32.550
would be higher, though. Yeah. January is cold

01:24:32.550 --> 01:24:36.569
and long and as is February. So, you know, you

01:24:36.569 --> 01:24:39.050
gotta, gotta do something. Something that's been

01:24:39.050 --> 01:24:41.250
keeping me though is, or I've been making it,

01:24:41.310 --> 01:24:45.250
my tally go up is watching all the Oscar, trying

01:24:45.250 --> 01:24:48.510
to watch as many Oscar noms as I can. My friends

01:24:48.510 --> 01:24:51.050
and I have kind of taken it to a new level this

01:24:51.050 --> 01:24:54.029
year. We already sort of treat it like our Superbowl

01:24:54.029 --> 01:24:57.550
or something. But we have made special effort

01:24:57.550 --> 01:25:00.229
to see a lot of the shorts, which I don't normally

01:25:00.229 --> 01:25:03.489
see, but the Lagoon screens them. So that was

01:25:03.489 --> 01:25:06.289
really cool. But yeah, each of those, you know,

01:25:06.310 --> 01:25:10.029
gets added as part of that 130. So short films

01:25:10.029 --> 01:25:13.529
too. Yeah, I always kind of forget about the

01:25:13.529 --> 01:25:15.710
short films. Like I've seen some of them at the

01:25:15.710 --> 01:25:18.210
Lagoon and I believe the Riverview plays them

01:25:18.210 --> 01:25:20.149
as well. So I try to make it out, but I haven't

01:25:20.149 --> 01:25:22.739
been able to this year, unfortunately. Yeah,

01:25:22.760 --> 01:25:25.199
I did a double feature on Sunday, the animated

01:25:25.199 --> 01:25:29.539
shorts followed by the just like narrative, you

01:25:29.539 --> 01:25:31.840
know, live action shorts. It was three hours,

01:25:31.960 --> 01:25:35.199
I think. That's awesome. So impressive that you've

01:25:35.199 --> 01:25:38.100
seen 130 movies so far this year. I try to aim

01:25:38.100 --> 01:25:40.260
for like a movie a day, which is about where

01:25:40.260 --> 01:25:43.600
I'm at. I've seen maybe like 60 or so. Nowhere

01:25:43.600 --> 01:25:45.880
close to 130. That's the level that I aspire

01:25:45.880 --> 01:25:49.239
to. Well, I'm lucky I work from home. So I always

01:25:49.239 --> 01:25:51.579
have a movie on in the background. It's a good

01:25:51.579 --> 01:25:55.500
life. Yeah. That's awesome. I was thinking probably

01:25:55.500 --> 01:25:58.239
the only Oscar nominated movie. That's really

01:25:58.239 --> 01:26:00.260
a monster movie in terms of the features. Anyway,

01:26:00.399 --> 01:26:02.720
it's probably the substance, unless you count,

01:26:02.800 --> 01:26:05.739
you know, like wicked, maybe Nosferatu is nominated

01:26:05.739 --> 01:26:08.680
for some of the like technical categories. Yeah.

01:26:09.100 --> 01:26:11.079
I guess I'm kind of rooting for the substance

01:26:11.079 --> 01:26:13.399
by default, just because it has that monster

01:26:13.399 --> 01:26:18.200
movie sort of grossness to it, you know? Absolutely.

01:26:18.200 --> 01:26:21.819
I would love to see The Substance win. And if

01:26:21.819 --> 01:26:24.640
you would have asked me before Parasite won if

01:26:24.640 --> 01:26:26.680
it was possible, I would have said no, you know?

01:26:26.720 --> 01:26:30.359
And so there's a glimmer of hope, but I don't

01:26:30.359 --> 01:26:32.359
know who it'll be. But I don't think it'll be

01:26:32.359 --> 01:26:34.560
The Substance, but I would love it if that happens.

01:26:35.399 --> 01:26:39.279
Totally, yeah. And Vincent, you have a lot of

01:26:39.279 --> 01:26:41.939
reasons for only seeing 21 movies this year.

01:26:42.000 --> 01:26:44.880
You have a lot going on. So, you know, you shouldn't

01:26:44.880 --> 01:26:47.470
feel too bad about that. I feel terrible about

01:26:47.470 --> 01:26:51.850
it. Shame. I bring shame to my movie podcast.

01:26:53.310 --> 01:26:55.850
Well, it's something to work on, you know, but

01:26:55.850 --> 01:26:59.130
we all have things we strive for. Now, I will

01:26:59.130 --> 01:27:02.529
say, just briefly, I have been on a kick lately

01:27:02.529 --> 01:27:07.750
of modern monster movies, which is really good

01:27:07.750 --> 01:27:11.289
for me. I am trying to watch more contemporary

01:27:11.289 --> 01:27:15.010
stuff. Have you all seen Late Night with the

01:27:15.010 --> 01:27:19.189
Devil? Yeah, I did see that one. Let me look

01:27:19.189 --> 01:27:24.210
it up. I forgot. I think it's pretty solid for

01:27:24.210 --> 01:27:27.189
what it is. Matt, I think you'd like it. The

01:27:27.189 --> 01:27:30.810
one with the talk show guy. David Goshmalin.

01:27:31.010 --> 01:27:34.510
I saw him at New York Comic Con. He did a talk

01:27:34.510 --> 01:27:39.590
as part of a shutter panel for the streamer shutter.

01:27:39.989 --> 01:27:44.449
Very cool. And then I saw Night Bitch with Amy

01:27:44.449 --> 01:27:49.180
Adams. which I really, I found enjoyable and

01:27:49.180 --> 01:27:51.640
a real thinker. I also liked that one. I was

01:27:51.640 --> 01:27:54.500
surprised because it has such a, you know, arresting

01:27:54.500 --> 01:27:57.039
name, but I don't know. I was just surprised,

01:27:57.039 --> 01:28:00.760
but I enjoyed that one as well. And then one

01:28:00.760 --> 01:28:04.399
more that I I'll just plug. I it's not new, but

01:28:04.399 --> 01:28:08.340
it's from the early nineties. It's called brain

01:28:08.340 --> 01:28:11.020
dead, but it's not the Peter Jackson dead alive.

01:28:11.960 --> 01:28:16.369
It's brain space dead. And I was looking for

01:28:16.369 --> 01:28:20.710
Dead Alive, like on Tubi. And I searched Dead

01:28:20.710 --> 01:28:22.510
Alive. Nothing came up. I searched Brain Dead.

01:28:22.909 --> 01:28:25.689
And this movie came up. And I thought, this isn't

01:28:25.689 --> 01:28:29.390
that movie. But it stars Bill Paxton and Bill

01:28:29.390 --> 01:28:32.729
Pullman. And I thought, well, you have my attention

01:28:32.729 --> 01:28:36.850
now. So I watched it, which I never do really

01:28:36.850 --> 01:28:39.930
just like watch a movie that I know nothing about.

01:28:41.369 --> 01:28:47.819
It's weird. It's trippy. It's got a really interesting

01:28:47.819 --> 01:28:50.939
backstory, but it's like you basically go into

01:28:50.939 --> 01:28:53.960
Bill Pullman's mind and it gets really surreal

01:28:53.960 --> 01:28:57.500
and there's some body horror. I don't know. Go

01:28:57.500 --> 01:28:59.119
check it out. That sounds cool. Yeah, that sounds

01:28:59.119 --> 01:29:03.000
cool. I had a similar thing where I think I had

01:29:03.000 --> 01:29:06.020
torrented, was trying to get the Peter Jackson

01:29:06.020 --> 01:29:08.479
film and got that one and started and I was like,

01:29:08.539 --> 01:29:10.359
wait, wait, this is a minute, but I didn't watch

01:29:10.359 --> 01:29:12.319
it, but it sounds good. I will check it out.

01:29:12.439 --> 01:29:16.340
Yeah. Not bad. That does sound great. Yeah. I

01:29:16.340 --> 01:29:18.859
would like to see all three of those. I like

01:29:18.859 --> 01:29:20.439
late night with the devil, especially was on

01:29:20.439 --> 01:29:22.399
my radar and just never got around to it, but

01:29:22.399 --> 01:29:24.819
I'm, I'm pretty bad at watching newer movies.

01:29:24.880 --> 01:29:28.039
Like I try to stay up on stuff, but old movies

01:29:28.039 --> 01:29:30.020
are where it's at. I mean, that's my sweet spot,

01:29:30.100 --> 01:29:32.420
you know, but I should work on that. I don't

01:29:32.420 --> 01:29:34.560
know, but good to hear. Glad that you liked it,

01:29:34.600 --> 01:29:37.300
Vincent. I did see the first omen recently, which

01:29:37.300 --> 01:29:39.060
I liked quite a bit more than I thought I would.

01:29:39.140 --> 01:29:41.920
So that's my semi recent movie plug of tonight.

01:29:43.000 --> 01:29:47.800
Don't you love that scene with the glass that

01:29:47.800 --> 01:29:52.380
cuts the guy? Yeah, right at the beginning. Amazing.

01:29:54.000 --> 01:29:57.539
There's one moment where the main character,

01:29:57.600 --> 01:30:00.819
a nun, is walking around a statue and she's moving

01:30:00.819 --> 01:30:03.640
really slowly and the camera inches around and

01:30:03.640 --> 01:30:06.399
there's something staring at her behind the statue.

01:30:06.479 --> 01:30:09.220
It's just blood -curdling. It's amazing. That's

01:30:09.220 --> 01:30:11.180
my favorite part of the movie. I won't ruin it

01:30:11.180 --> 01:30:14.380
anymore, though. So what has happened in the

01:30:14.380 --> 01:30:16.819
world of monster movies since the last time we

01:30:16.819 --> 01:30:18.720
talked? I wanted to ask both of you, have you

01:30:18.720 --> 01:30:22.039
seen the movie The Monkey yet? It's on my radar.

01:30:22.619 --> 01:30:25.199
I have not, but I'm really excited to see it

01:30:25.199 --> 01:30:28.100
because that's Osgood Perkins, right? Yeah. Is

01:30:28.100 --> 01:30:30.979
that his latest? It's his latest, yeah. Yeah.

01:30:31.000 --> 01:30:33.800
No, I'm excited to see that and just see another

01:30:33.800 --> 01:30:35.920
one from him. His career has been developing

01:30:35.920 --> 01:30:38.789
nicely. But yeah, I'm excited. I just have not

01:30:38.789 --> 01:30:40.930
had the chance to see it, but I'll probably see

01:30:40.930 --> 01:30:45.770
it after the Oscars. Yeah. Oscar movies take

01:30:45.770 --> 01:30:48.250
precedence, probably. Yeah, the clock's ticking.

01:30:48.649 --> 01:30:52.529
Yeah, yeah. I don't know what to, you know, what

01:30:52.529 --> 01:30:54.710
to feel about the monkey. It's another strange

01:30:54.710 --> 01:30:58.229
thing to say, but... Just cover your nuts and

01:30:58.229 --> 01:31:02.050
bolts, all right? Yeah. Cover your nuts and bolts.

01:31:02.090 --> 01:31:04.560
We're about to talk about the monkey. Yeah, I

01:31:04.560 --> 01:31:07.119
didn't really love Long Legs all that much, which

01:31:07.119 --> 01:31:09.619
was Osgood Perkins' previous movie. I know it

01:31:09.619 --> 01:31:12.500
kind of was a word -of -mouth success. There

01:31:12.500 --> 01:31:14.439
is some stuff that I liked about it, maybe some

01:31:14.439 --> 01:31:17.199
overrated stuff in there as well, but the trailer

01:31:17.199 --> 01:31:19.319
for The Monkey is just so fun and entertaining.

01:31:19.500 --> 01:31:22.500
It looks like a blast, so hopefully we'll all

01:31:22.500 --> 01:31:24.100
see it soon and share our thoughts on the next

01:31:24.100 --> 01:31:26.569
episode. Yeah. It's so funny because when I first

01:31:26.569 --> 01:31:28.390
saw the marketing for that, I assumed it was

01:31:28.390 --> 01:31:31.010
a remake of Monkey Shines. Have you all seen

01:31:31.010 --> 01:31:33.449
that movie? And I was just like, wait, what?

01:31:33.810 --> 01:31:39.029
Oh, so it's not. But I'm excited to see it. It

01:31:39.029 --> 01:31:40.930
does kind of look like a much gorier version

01:31:40.930 --> 01:31:42.869
of that movie. I thought, yeah, I've never actually

01:31:42.869 --> 01:31:45.350
seen Monkey Shines, but I do have like an awareness

01:31:45.350 --> 01:31:47.850
of it. And that was my first thought as well.

01:31:49.649 --> 01:31:54.170
But probably very different. Yeah. just a couple

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days ago to... A character actor who was featured

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in a lot of great monster movies, horror and

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sci -fi movies, who worked very often with John

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Carpenter, passed away. So I wanted to say rest

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in peace to Peter Jason. I read that name and

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didn't recognize it, and then I saw a picture

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of him, and I was like, oh yeah, that guy. He

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has been in They Live, Village of the Damned,

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Ghosts of Mars, Arachnophobia, the Jurassic World

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movies, Prince of Darkness, and then what I presume

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to be some lesser monster movies with names like

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Alien Nation, Planet Raptor. Alien Apocalypse.

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I kind of just want to watch his entire filmography

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now. But he's very recognizable. He's been in

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a lot of great horror movies as well. So rest

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in peace to Peter Jason. Yeah. Rest in peace.