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When he's going on about poutine, the poutine, he weenies, the poutine, he weenies.

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Hello and welcome to Camp Kaidu Monster Movie Podcast.

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We are hosts Vincent Hannum and Matt Levine.

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And we're talking about all our favorite monster movies,

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the good, the bad and the downright campy and asking if they stand the test of time.

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Traditional kaiju creature features, space invaders, the supernatural and everything in between.

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All strange beasts.

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You can help me.

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I was abducted.

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Your life as you knew it is over, Mr. Brighton.

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This guy wants to turn me into an animal.

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I'm so scared.

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Tusk.

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Rated R.

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It's so weird doing like a podcast thing, considering this movie we're going to talk about.

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There's a lot that I would love to talk to you, Matt, about.

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But let us welcome our guests for this evening.

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Naomi Osborne and Sean Childers.

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Thanks for having me.

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I'm Naomi Osborne.

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I have been on Camp Kaiju before.

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I'm known for my trivia.

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I host a local trivia event in Minneapolis called Film Friends.

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It's the first Monday of every month at Indeed Brewery in Northeast.

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So a lot of people come down for that and it's a lot of fun.

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You guys have always such good movies, such good pics.

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I haven't been back since the holiday episode that was kind of like a party, like a digital party.

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It was really fun.

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And when Tusk came up, I was just like, man, I would love a recent to rewatch that movie.

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I think this was the third time I had seen it, though, because I rewatched it in preparation for this.

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Anyway, super excited.

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Thank you for having me.

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Thank you so much.

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So my name is Sean.

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I am also a podcaster, but I guess you could say that I'm an amateur podcaster.

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I'm still fixing my camera here.

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Sorry. There we go.

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I have two.

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You're going to see me in the dark here.

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Make it really creepy.

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I have two podcasts that I work on.

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like Ultraman, Kamen Rider, Power Rangers, all the stuff like that.

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But then that one's currently on hiatus.

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And I have another one that I'm working on called Big Mecca, but not huge.

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It's a name that I stole from one of my best friends where he goes like big guys, but not huge because kind of bigger dudes.

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But, you know, big Mecca, but not huge.

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Why not? Yeah.

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What's the focus of that?

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We're just trying to go through different things each season.

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That's a lot of fun.

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Where can we find your podcast?

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So you can get it on any kind of podcast server, whether it's audio or, you know, through Spotify,

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Yeah, nice. All right.

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Well, this is going to be a great conversation.

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I've talked to some of you already offline last night.

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Naomi, Matt.

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You guys were watching this movie last night, right?

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Sean, were you watching it last night?

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The only aspect that was motivational was probably when you see the walrus for the first time.

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And it was trying to make me hold my sides to not laugh as hard as I was while doing the treadmill.

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And I'm like holding it, you know, making sure nobody else can actually see it as they pass by.

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That's what they get. They should, you know, like if you're looking at the screen, you're taking a risk.

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You know, you might see the bus coming.

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It should also be public awareness as to not watch those kind of movies in public, but it's all right.

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I always admire people who do watch movies like this in public.

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So good for you. That's what I think.

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We'll get to some nuts and bolts here in a little bit. But, Matt, how are you doing?

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I'm doing pretty well. I went back to Milwaukee for a friend's bachelor party this weekend, which was fun.

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It was a very surreal end to the weekend.

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And then like this movie, Tusk seemed like an appropriately sort of ominous like end to the weekend, you know.

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That's great. How are you doing?

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Long day of teaching, changing lives out there.

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Is this going to be part of your like college monster movie club that you sort of lead?

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Only if I've decided I want to go out in a blaze of glory.

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I will show students this movie and then quit.

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Rubber then Tusk.

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That would be a good double feature, actually.

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Yeah, I feel like you could warm up any students with like Kevin Smith's earlier work.

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Although maybe I'm just speaking as an elder millennial, like I grew up loving Kevin Smith.

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I even got his autograph once at the University of Wyoming.

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But I maybe can see that would not enjoy the Kevin Smith brand of humor from the late 90s.

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So to actually try to support that a little bit, one of my friends who is considered a Gen Z,

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when I was working back over in retail at the time, I was trying to get people to watch Clerks back in the day.

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It's like maybe five years ago. No, sorry.

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I've been I've been away from there too long. Ten years ago.

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And I actually got this person who was 17, 18, don't remember, and they ended up watching Clerks.

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They said, oh, yeah, Clerks is a great movie. Clerks, too. And not so much.

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I'm like, how? But it's all right.

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I would love to talk more about Kevin Smith's filmography as we go along here.

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And because I've heard great things about Clerks, too, and and mixed things overall.

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and his style and his aesthetic and how it's similar, but also completely different than anything else he's done.

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but I was not really aware of like the true North trilogy that Tusk is a part of until I kind of like.

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But it makes sense that Kevin Smith makes movies like that.

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He's got his view of the universe, you know, and he's got his little, you know, bad Canadian accent like Tusk universe.

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And I think only two movies have been made in that trilogy so far. Right.

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But the third one, Moose Jaws, is still in the works as far as I know.

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It works. He just recently said at a tour of some sort,

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I think one of his evening with Kevin Smith's work, he said, yeah, we were going to do Moose Jaws.

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Well, I can envision that it seems to.

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All right. All right. Let's get through these nuts and bolts and then that we can really open up the conversation.

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So thank you all listeners for hanging out.

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Please rate and review wherever you listen to Camp Kaiju.

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You can get VIP. And what that means is coming up in May.

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And Naomi, you could speak more to this in a little bit, but Matt and I are going to.

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Guest star guest host your.

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A film friends movie trivia. Yeah, I'm super excited.

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I've never had two people, so I'm excited to kind of think like how that's going to work.

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And I know you guys are going to bring like, you know, a lot of your great insights

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and a lot of like your fun energy to the event.

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And I'm super excited, like I think it's going to be awesome.

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So excited. Yeah, I can't wait. Yeah, I can't even wait to hear you guys' ideas and like brainstorm and like.

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So I think it's going to be awesome. And, you know, I hope some people come out from your world to to the trivia and see you guys do your thing.

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Like, I think it'll be wonderful.

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I would love to attend, but unfortunately, I'm still in central Florida.

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I haven't been able to get out all day.

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Well, maybe in the future, you know, some some Monday of the future.

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And one day, Sean, you will we will buy you a drink alcoholic or not,

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because that's the perk for our patrons at our trivia event with Naomi.

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If you show up, if you're a fan of Camp Kaiju or if you're a patron.

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Of Camp Kaiju, we'll we'll we'll buy a drink.

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That's killer. I love that. And like, we'll have all kinds of good prizes, too.

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You know, we're sponsored by the Trilon Cinema, the Heights Theatre and Indeed.

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So it's a lot of, you know, free movie tickets like swag, all kinds of good stuff that movie lovers like.

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And since it's free to play, you know, anyone can come on by.

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So it's always a good time. I really enjoy your trivia so much.

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And just to confirm the timing, it's the first Monday of every month at Indeed Brewing, right?

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Yeah, that's right. We started seven thirty.

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It fills up pretty fast. So I try to tell people to get there around seven,

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you know, so they can build their table and get comfy with their team, get their drinks, whatever.

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Yeah, but it goes about seven thirty to nine thirty.

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And we usually socialize before and after. So it's a real fun event.

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The community is pretty tight. We've been doing it for just over two years.

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So mostly regulars keep coming, but we get new people all the time.

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And it's just awesome.

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Like, I like to feature different guests, co-hosts every single month.

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So I can give varying perspectives and tastes represented, not just my own.

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And people have really responded to it. And I love seeing what people come up with.

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And I think you guys are going to be great.

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Thank you, Naomi. Yeah, I love I love that sense of community you're talking about.

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So thank you to our patrons who make it all possible.

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Sean, first and foremost, you're here.

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Another perk of being a patron at Sean's level, kind of the at the upper tier,

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is to suggest a movie.

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And what do you know, Sean, you suggested Tusk.

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I know such thing.

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Deny it all you want.

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We'll talk more about that.

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But other shout outs to Chris, Jason, our anonymous patron and Peggy.

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Thank you. OK.

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Here's a fun thing where we can each pick a movie that was released in February.

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The monster movie. I have a list here.

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Each of you, let's just pick one movie just to highlight.

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For whatever reason, you're feeling it.

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For me, I'm going to go with the Stepford Wives from nineteen seventy five.

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I just recently wrote a trivia category of February's that was called Electric Love.

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And it was all about, you know, that kind of like merger of, you know, robots and film

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love, like for two varying degrees of seriousness.

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And I had never seen the original Stepford Wives, only the remake with Nicole Kidman.

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I've also been watching a lot of her films lately because the trial on was showing them

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and Criterion had a block as well.

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But it was good. I enjoyed it very much.

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It had a lot of good vibe from the era it came out.

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And I had never seen it.

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So I was glad to see that one.

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That's a great pick. It's been on my radar for a while, because same as you,

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I've only seen the more recent one, but I know it's a it's a classic.

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her name, Catherine Ross, I think, who is in The Graduate.

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Yeah. So she's really good in that kind of gets to stretch your legs a little bit

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as an actress and that sweet.

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I've never seen the original.

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That's a good reminder that I have to do that.

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Yeah. I've only seen the Nicole Kidman one. Yeah.

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Well, I'll go next.

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I am going to I'm going to represent the Kaiju in this list.

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There's a movie called Reptilicus from 1961,

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and it is a Danish film.

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It's a so bad, it's good type of giant monster movie

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about a, you know, a Leviathan that rampages through

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the the countryside of Denmark.

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Cool. So like a lot of devastated, you know, tulip fields and windmills

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and what have you.

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Just kidding. That's all I know about that part of the world.

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Sounds terrifying. Yeah.

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All the tulips are missing. Why?

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Are not to be that guy, but

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those are the Dutch with tulips.

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Oh, my apologies.

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I don't know. Apologies to our Danish listeners.

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Yes. No, no offense.

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Let me help back you up on that.

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There's a lot on this list that I've never seen that I really have wanted to

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for a long time. And Reptilicus is another one that's just been like

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floating around my brain for years, but I've never actually watched.

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So another good reminder of a movie that I have to see.

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What do you got, Matt?

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Yeah, I'll go. I'll go next.

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I think I have to shout out House on Haunted Hill from 1959,

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directed by William Castle, the one and only schlock meister William Castle,

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starring Vincent Price as well as Elisha Cook Jr., a really good

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ensemble of kind of horror movie actors.

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And I watched this movie when I was probably about 10 years old with my dad.

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And it's I don't think it really holds up as being very scary.

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But like when you're a kid and you watch it, it's like it's really silly

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and also one of the scariest movies that you've ever seen.

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Or at least it was for me when I was 10 years old.

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So it's really fun.

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It's the kind of movie that has a bunch of like

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novelty, like publicity gimmicks that William Castle did a lot.

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Like when I was first playing in theaters, they would have like

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skeletons flying around on like strings and stuff like that to scare the audience.

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Which, I mean, I haven't seen it that way, but it's it's a classic B movie,

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you know, pretty ridiculous, but but a lot of fun at the same time.

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Totally agree.

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I've only seen the remake of that, and I think I saw that when I was a kid as well.

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Just I don't remember anything about it.

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You're going to find out about this entire thing.

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I have a really bad memory.

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I think it's good to be a movie fan with a bad memory

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because you can rewatch stuff all the time and it's like seeing it

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for the first time all over again.

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You're absolutely right.

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And I have no further follow up on that.

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Same poetic.

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I love it.

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So I'm looking at this list here

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and there's a lot that I've wanted to watch, but I never have.

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Like I've always I finally watched the first fly two years ago.

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Fantastic movie. Gross as heck, but really lovely.

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Oh, yeah.

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But then I keep on reading things about fly, too, and I'm like,

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mmm, I don't know.

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Murder Cycle sounds amazing.

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I'm assuming it's a motorcycle that's about, you know,

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a haunted motorcycle that just goes around killing people.

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I only included it based on the title.

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Never heard of it. But Murder Cycle.

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It sounds amazing.

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Let's let's giddy up.

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But the one thing that I've never heard of is

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the one I've only seen two out of these.

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I've seen Diary of the Dead and I've seen Nightmare on Elbe Street 3,

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The Dream Warriors.

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Which one is better?

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Let's find out.

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It's actually Nightmare on Elbe Street 3.

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Diary of the Dead.

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Just to touch on that real quick.

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It's a found footage movie,

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but it moves just like the dead do in that very, very slowly.

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It's not paced very well.

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It's just all around.

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It's an interesting thing to look at,

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but to actually take in as a movie on its own,

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it's kind of boring.

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But Dream Warriors.

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Absolutely fantastic.

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It's one of the Wes Craven written and directed ones, I believe.

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And that movie, if you are a fan of Freddy and Nightmare on Elbe Street in general,

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it's probably one of the best.

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Maybe takes second fiddle to A New Nightmare, but so good.

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Yeah, I love that one too.

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That one's really good.

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He kind of starts to develop the Freddy that he becomes later

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and that people sort of know in that one.

323
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I have a question about one of these.

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Is Dead Alive from 93?

325
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Is that the Peter Jackson brain dead, AKA brain dead?

326
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Yeah, yeah.

327
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I love that film.

328
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I love that movie.

329
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It's like my favorite movie to watch with a crowd.

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Have a group of friends over and just watch all like just chaos break loose.

331
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It's such a fun movie.

332
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I love that movie.

333
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Just as a side note.

334
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That's so great.

335
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Yeah.

336
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And so creatively disgusting.

337
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I love it as well.

338
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Totally.

339
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And it's nice.

340
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Funny.

341
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You look at movies that were released in January and February.

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That's kind of the quiet time.

343
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It's like you release a movie that time of year.

344
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People aren't really thinking awards.

345
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They're not thinking blockbuster.

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They're not thinking, you know, holiday weekend.

347
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So it's always kind of funny to see what movies crop up in January and February, you know, that were released.

348
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It sort of is telling how they thought it would do.

349
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Do you think that's changed in most recent years?

350
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Do I think it's changed?

351
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No, I think it.

352
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Well, actually, maybe.

353
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I don't know.

354
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I'd have to think about it.

355
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It's always been sort of the the rule of the industry, but I would have to think about it.

356
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It might change now with streaming and stuff like that.

357
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Yeah, I don't know.

358
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Certainly, you know, December was always like a tie.

359
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They've been releasing things in December more and more as years have gone by.

360
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I don't know.

361
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That's an interesting thought.

362
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I don't know.

363
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It is interesting because I know I mean, blockbuster releases have been creeping up earlier and earlier into the calendar.

364
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I don't know.

365
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In the past 10 years, we saw Godzilla Kong last year in March, I think.

366
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Yep.

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So I don't know.

368
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Ten years from now, maybe it's a February release.

369
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Yeah.

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Who knows?

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I feel like in the past, there have always been a lot of horror movies released around this time of year because like probably studios don't expect them to do very well.

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But like horror has been really popular recently.

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And I feel like there have been a lot of really good prestige kind of horror movies that have been released around February over the last couple of years.

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Like It Follows, that was kind of a long time ago at this point, but that was released in February under the skin that Scarlett Johansson movie came on February of whatever year it was released in.

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So it's one of my favorite times to go to a theater because you tend to see some like pretty cool under the radar horror movies, although that's kind of becoming less under the radar these days, I think.

376
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That's absolutely true.

377
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Yeah. What a great observation. Like February has such a bad reputation for being cold and short and weird. And I don't know. Maybe I just carry that because my birthday is in the middle of February.

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So I love thinking that maybe there's some, you know, some good movies to look forward to.

379
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Happy early birthday.

380
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Happy early birthday.

381
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Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. I'll be 38 in a few days.

382
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Awesome.

383
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Happy.

384
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Yeah. Just joining in. Happy early birthday.

385
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Just to make a little fun here, Naomi, I turned 37 this year, so I could I could actually say 37 in a row.

386
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What?

387
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Clers.

388
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Oh, sorry.

389
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It's been decades.

390
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All right. I'm now five.

391
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Yeah, sorry. It's been a long time.

392
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All right. Well, coming up on Camp Kaiju, we have Dracula's Daughters, our next episode. And then following that is back to Godzilla, the Heisei era with Godzilla versus Mothra, the battle for Earth.

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So an early 90s Godzilla flick with Mothra and we're excited for that. Mothra March Madness.

394
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Cool. Sounds good.

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Four years ago in this quiet forest in this cozy cabin, something happened.

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Something so frightening.

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Something so deadly.

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We prayed it would never happen again.

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Now from the creator of Evil Dead comes Evil Dead 2 Dead by Dawn.

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Five, six, grab your crucifix. Seven, eight, gonna stay up late. Nine, ten.

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A nightmare on Elm Street Part 3. Phrase just around the corner.

402
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Because how do you kill something that's already dead?

403
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Trimark Picture presents a modern masterpiece of horror.

404
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Your mother ate my dog!

405
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Dead Alive.

406
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Party's over.

407
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Okay, now let's get to Tusk.

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What are our personal histories with this film?

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Sean, you have a big grin on your face. This was your pick.

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Alright, lean into it, brother. Own it.

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So first off, this is gonna be shocking, but I am one of the original hashtag Walrus yes tweeters.

412
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Oh. Yeah. Did I support it beyond that? Of course I did. I went and saw it in theaters.

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I went and grabbed my big mecha but not huge co-host Wilhelm with me.

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And he initially said, yeah, if this is gonna end up anything like Human Centipede, I don't want to watch it and I'm gonna stop being your friend.

415
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Little did he know he would actually love this movie.

416
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I adore this movie. I've watched it multiple times when I managed to get it on the retail release.

417
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I forced all of my old co-workers to watch it with me and then they all systematically one by one left my house in shambles.

418
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Just utterly confused and hated every moment of it, but I don't care. That's one and more converts.

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I've managed to actually get other people at my current job to watch it and they say interesting, but they actually like it.

420
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So that's all that matters to me.

421
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As we go on through this, I noticed that you got notes in here regarding it and I definitely want to touch on those because you will hear

422
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towards the end of the movie where he actually is on his podcast episode where he goes over how the movie came about.

423
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And it's just so stupid and so bizarre. I just I can't not love it.

424
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That's great. That's distinguished guest here.

425
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Walrus, yes, crew. Oh, and Walrus never cry.

426
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How do I follow that? Yeah.

427
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My personal history of the film, this rewatching it in prep for this podcast was the third time I'd seen it.

428
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I feel like this is one of those movies that is almost like a movie that you show people and like Sean was kind of talking about that.

429
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Like, like you see it and it's like so like darkly funny and unsettling that like you want to show it to people.

430
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And I have like just such a weird experience the second time I had seen it showing it to my mom when she was like recovering from surgery.

431
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And I just wanted to see what you would you know how she would take it.

432
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She's not, you know, easily offended or, you know, she likes horror and stuff like that.

433
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But I think she was just surprised at just kind of how like creepy it is and how it just kind of walks that line between comedy and horror like so interestingly.

434
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And but yeah, I think that it's somewhat like Kevin Smith's attempt at a cult classic.

435
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And like that's how like feeling like I want to show to people kind of like underscores that a little bit for me or at least a cult movie classic to be determined.

436
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But yeah, my history with it is just kind of loving it. Love watching it with people love showing it to people love talking about it with people.

437
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So that's it. Awesome.

438
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What do you think, Matt? I don't have too much to add in terms of my personal history because this I only saw it for the first time last night.

439
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But I've wanted to for the last 10 years, 11 years ever since this movie came out in 2014.

440
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It just like the concept is so crazy and the reviews that I read of it back then, you know, just so divisive like you like my cat is being annoying.

441
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I apologize. You know, it seemed like you either love it or hate it.

442
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And I tend to really enjoy movies like that. So I've always been fascinated to see it finally did yesterday in honor of this episode.

443
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Thank you, Sean, not only for being part of the walrus. Yes, teams.

444
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And, you know, we partially have you to blame for this movie's existence.

445
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But but also for bringing it to the podcast because, yeah, motivated me to finally see it.

446
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And I won't get into my thoughts about it yet. I'm very, very happy I saw this movie, though.

447
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Yeah, I'm with Matt. I hadn't seen it till last night.

448
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And I swear, I think we were all three watching it at the same time.

449
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And I almost texted you, Matt, to confirm that because there are certain moments where I was like, oh, my God.

450
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:57,560
Yeah, this is the type of movie where I just immediately had to talk to people about it.

451
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I had to do my own research. I listened to other podcasts, which I'll cite in my own research here.

452
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I'm going to check out the original Walrus and the Carpenter episode of the Smodcast podcast.

453
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I was I didn't know. So for the past 10 years, it's a movie that I've heard about,

454
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which I think is a testament to its cult status.

455
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But I don't watch a whole lot of contemporary horror movies, especially at that time.

456
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I wasn't. So this was a bit of an education for me in that way.

457
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:45,560
I'm glad I finally got to see it. And I can't wait to talk about it.

458
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:51,560
It's funny that at least three of us had like a mind meld going on last night when we were watching this in separate places,

459
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,560
but still sharing that kind of like simpatico, you know.

460
00:30:54,560 --> 00:31:03,560
Yeah, totally. We almost should have been in like a text group so I could be like, you know, is his mustache kind of, you know, like tusks?

461
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:13,560
Like, what is this? That's the thing, too. I didn't know if like I do nothing about this movie other than there's a walrus and a man.

462
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:20,560
And I and I thought listeners could be a lot of spoilers in this in our review, but can't be helped.

463
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:28,560
I thought Justin Long would be. Literally like turned into a walrus.

464
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,560
Oh, you mean like body morphing? Yeah, yeah.

465
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:38,560
So I'm like, I'm watching his mustache throughout the movie, wondering, like, oh, is it going to start growing longer?

466
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:43,560
They're going to be like really subtle shifts. Like these teeth will start growing.

467
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:49,560
It quickly didn't turn into that. And I was like, oh, this is a very different movie. OK.

468
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:54,560
That would have been cool, though, like almost like a werewolf transformation. Yeah.

469
00:31:54,560 --> 00:32:03,560
Yeah, I was thinking of you a lot like just because the visual of the walrus piece together really reminded me of Frankenstein's monster.

470
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:12,560
Yeah. And I was just wondering if you thought like, you know, how test kind of builds on that legacy like in horror, you know, like I thought it adds a little something for me.

471
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,560
It just reminded me of it. I thought I'd be right away. Yeah.

472
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:23,560
I thought about a lot of different movies watching this Frankenstein, one of them. I was like, it's like Frankenstein meets Silence of the Lambs in a weird way.

473
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:29,560
Which I love. Like, how many movies can you say those two titles in the same sentence?

474
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:37,560
Yeah, absolutely. All right. All right. Let's get into the cast and crew.

475
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:49,560
Talk about these folks briefly. We'll get into the backstory, which with the walrus yes movement and all that, there's going to be, I think, a lot of things to talk about there.

476
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:54,560
After our sponsor break and mean his mailbox.

477
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:59,560
Then the four of us can really get into our own personal reviews and breakdowns.

478
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,560
The good, the bad and the campy. Okay. Sounds good.

479
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:08,560
All right. Well, we have.

480
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:14,560
Kevin Smith writing this movie, directing it and editing it.

481
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:25,560
So Kevin Smith, who wants to talk about Kevin Smith? I, I, I won't because I will admit I, this is my first Kevin Smith movie.

482
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:33,560
So it's okay if it's your only one. Is this a good place to start? Should I continue?

483
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:38,560
I actually don't think this is a good place to start personally. No, unlike most of his movies.

484
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:49,560
Which maybe is a good thing. I mean, maybe that's a great place to start. Who knows? But it is very unlike most of his other movies. I think this is very unlike any other movie. So, you know, I agree.

485
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:55,560
The big staple that he has across all of his films is that he focuses on conversation.

486
00:33:55,560 --> 00:34:09,560
And you can obviously see that with this particular movie because everyone has their own monologue. Everyone is trying to, you know, get whatever it's not really the word I'm trying to think of is something along the lines of exposition.

487
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:13,560
It's not really exposition. He's just trying to give character backstory to everything.

488
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:22,560
And then it doesn't just automatically jump to the next scene. It's like it's, it's not really a plot device. He's just, he just wants to people have people talk.

489
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:31,560
And that's just essentially what he's been doing ever since Clerks. And it's just something that he can't seem to get away from.

490
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:35,560
That's all right. If that's his style, it certainly works for him.

491
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:42,560
I always kind of get the sense that he's one of those writer directors that like takes a lot from his actual life. It's actual conversations.

492
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:57,560
Like for better or worse, because sometimes you sort of feel like, okay, like I'm not a part of that friend group. Maybe this isn't that funny. Like Sean and I were talking about the movie after this in the True North trilogy, Yoga Hosers, that's set in that universe.

493
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:07,560
And it's just like so painful in my opinion, very like painful. And I feel like I'm seeing kind of maybe like a lot of it's like jokes or like stuff that maybe wasn't as relatable.

494
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:18,560
So I, I just wonder like what makes some click and some don't, you know, some not click, you know, like, and maybe it's a stage in your life. Maybe it's the way he works. I don't really know.

495
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:27,560
But I definitely like Kevin Smith films more when I was growing up and I did like the banter and I still do like the banter.

496
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:36,560
But I just wonder what, what, what factors in and out that that changes that the outcome for me like some are good, some are bad for me.

497
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:41,560
I would like to apologize on his behalf for Yoga Hosers.

498
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:47,560
It was basically just a giant fever dream that he wrote for different because he has multiple podcasts.

499
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:54,560
And on that particular one, it was mainly just a bunch of different things he thought of during those podcasts.

500
00:35:54,560 --> 00:36:00,560
And like, you know what? This should be one of those elements from that, from that show that I'm on. Let's just go ahead and put that in here.

501
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:07,560
And like, for instance, there's a guy that's actually in Tusk. His name is Ralph Garman.

502
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:18,560
He is the chief commissioner in the police department and for Tusk, at least in Yoga Hosers, he plays.

503
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:29,560
He plays a hidden Nazi general who wants to take over the world with Nazi sausages called bratsies.

504
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:36,560
And the only reason he even brought Ralph Garman on is because he's a man of different impersonations.

505
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:43,560
And he wanted to flex his voice for that because in red state he actually brought him on and he doesn't have any voice.

506
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:49,560
His throat actually gets slashed to the point where he can't talk. So he wanted to make sure that he actually get his due.

507
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:59,560
Interesting. One thing I liked about seeing that movie, though, is like it stars his daughter, Harley Quinn Smith and Lily Rose Depp.

508
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:07,560
So it's kind of this like Neppo baby star. And it takes like the two convenience store characters and like expands their world.

509
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:13,560
And like, it's kind of funny to see like Lily Rose Depp, who I never would have like picked out.

510
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:19,560
But I've seen Nosferatu a couple of times and it's kind of fun to see the journey there.

511
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:24,560
Even if I'm not a fan of the film, it's still cool to see her like taken off.

512
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:29,560
Elvis is in that. Yeah, Austin Butler.

513
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:35,560
Yeah, the guy who played Elvis in the Baz Luhrmann film is also in it. Yeah. Interesting.

514
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:40,560
Yeah. Justin Long is in it as well, but he plays a totally different character.

515
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:46,560
Yeah, he plays like a yoga. Anyway, we don't.

516
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:52,560
I guess I'm reeling from it a little bit because I watched it today and I just like can't believe how painful it was for me.

517
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:56,560
I've heard it's pretty rough. Yeah, it's not good. Yeah.

518
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:02,560
I've heard that about Red State, too, which sounds really interesting, but I've read pretty negative things about it.

519
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:07,560
But I'm intrigued to see it. That's interesting because I've heard generally positive things about Red State.

520
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:20,560
You guys have to watch Red State. Maybe that's the next one to kind of like, you know, get if you like Tusk, maybe check it out and you could go further back and dig further back if you want.

521
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:28,560
Yeah, we'll talk about Red State a little bit more here because it kind of is like the lead in to Tusk for Kevin Smith.

522
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:42,560
A couple other just credits behind the camera. I wanted to just shout out cinematography by James Laxton, music by Christopher Drake, and really interesting special effects by Robert Kurtzman.

523
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:49,560
I always like looking at the filmography of these people, especially the special effects designers.

524
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:56,560
And Kurtzman has a long list of horror films, monster films.

525
00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:01,560
Matt, I see you head nodding. Yeah, sorry. I'm just looking at that list right now.

526
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:11,560
There are a lot of bangers on here for sure. I mean Predator, Evil Dead 2, a lot of Halloween movies, Nightmare on Elm Street, Bride of Reanimator, Dark Man, which is great.

527
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:19,560
I love that movie. People Under the Stairs is awesome. Even Dances with Wolves. So yeah, an extensive filmography for sure.

528
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:30,560
And that's just like the 80s and early 90s. I haven't even gotten further than that yet. Yeah, Tusk.

529
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:47,560
The cast though is I think is really, I think it's a really interesting cast. I'd love to hear your all thoughts on this, but I'll just go through the names real quick and then we could talk about who's really lighting up our screens.

530
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:57,560
So Michael Parks plays Howard Howe, the serial killer who abducts people. Men? I don't think it's ever stated if it's if women are included.

531
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:07,560
Well, he doesn't have any sexual nature applied to them. So he just, I think he mainly just goes for whatever. They don't really state. Yeah.

532
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:17,560
Well, either way, if you are abducted by Howard Howe, he's going to surgically turn you into a walrus monstrosity.

533
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:27,560
So the rest of the cast in Tusk includes Justin Long as Wallace, a very pointed name, obviously, for that protagonist.

534
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:40,560
He's a successful but obnoxious American podcaster who goes to Manitoba looking for the next weird story for his podcast. His podcast host is played by Haley Joel Osment.

535
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:50,560
He and Wallace's girlfriend, Allie, are having an affair. There's kind of like a difficult love triangle among them. Allie is played by Genesis Rodriguez.

536
00:40:50,560 --> 00:41:00,560
She has her doubts about her relationship with Wallace, understandably because he is a pretty terrible person in a lot of ways, at least at the start of the movie.

537
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:05,560
She and Teddy go looking for Wallace together when they learn that he is in trouble.

538
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:14,560
Another character introduced later in the movie is a Quebecois detective named Guy LaPont.

539
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:23,560
What's that? Sorry. No, we're just laughing at this character. Ridiculous. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So absurd.

540
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:29,560
And the actor who plays him is not credited in the film at all in the opening or end credits or anything.

541
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:36,560
But it is Johnny Depp, which you may be able to tell. And when I watched Tusk, I was like, that voice is so familiar.

542
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:44,560
Eventually it occurred to me. So it's kind of a fun little like I guess I just ruin this for anybody who's listening to the podcast. But who is that guy behind all the makeup?

543
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:58,560
It is Johnny Depp. And then finally, like we already talked about, we have Kevin Smith's daughter, Harley Quinn Smith and Johnny Depp's daughter, Lily Rose Depp, as the two Canadian convenience store clerks who reappear in yoga hosers.

544
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:12,560
Yeah, I want to say I was watching the Johnny Depp character and it was towards the end of his screen time.

545
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:18,560
I was I was I was recognizing Johnny Depp in his eyes and there was something about his eyes.

546
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:25,560
And I thought, is that Johnny Depp? And then I convinced myself that is not Johnny Depp.

547
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:33,560
And then I went, holy crap, I was wrong. It was Johnny Depp. But I was right the whole time.

548
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:37,560
Give you a solid point for that.

549
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:42,560
I had a similar experience where I was like, that can't be him, can it? What is Johnny Depp doing in this movie?

550
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:50,560
And I had a similar response to Haley Joel Osment being in this movie. I feel like the casting is a little bit hit or miss, but I'll maybe talk about that more later.

551
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:59,560
OK. Yes, I think Michael Parks steals the show as Howard Howe.

552
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:04,560
I have a lot of good things to say about his performance, but it's it's an arresting performance.

553
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:19,560
I think he handles the language and his character so diabolically subtle and menacing, but also absolutely unhinged lunatic.

554
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:24,560
I so agree. I think he's just like just unforgettable in this movie.

555
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:31,560
And it's not just like how he does it, but it's sort of these eloquent monologues.

556
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:39,560
They almost mirror podcasting the format itself. You're kind of like speaking to this audience that can't respond.

557
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:43,560
And he just like absolutely nails it and gives you a lot to think about.

558
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:48,560
And I don't know if the movie would work without him.

559
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,560
I completely agree. Totally.

560
00:43:51,560 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaking of the podcast, I'd love to hear Sean if I mean, I wrote notes, but I mean, you seem sounds like you were there in the beginning, the Genesis.

561
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:06,560
So I don't know if you wanted to share about what it was like.

562
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:10,560
Like you did you listen to the podcast? I did.

563
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:18,560
As being a Kevin Smith super fan, I've listened to every single podcast he's ever done, except for the one that he did with his wife and one of the ones that he did with his daughter.

564
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:24,560
With this particular movie, hearing it and then having him talk about it relentlessly over and over.

565
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,560
And then you actually get to see the behind the scenes.

566
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,560
It was just you were literally there for everything.

567
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:35,560
And he since he's so vocal about everything, it was like being part of the set.

568
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:39,560
It was really awesome.

569
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:43,560
That's cool. And like Kevin Smith is so good about like sharing the experience with his fans.

570
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:48,560
Right. I mean, I wouldn't count myself among like his top tier of fans, but I do admire that about him.

571
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:54,560
That like filmmaking seems to be a very like communal experience for him, which is very.

572
00:44:54,560 --> 00:45:00,560
It's funny. He actually talks about like certain shots for this movie.

573
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:04,560
And there's a specific one that he calls the Genesis shot.

574
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,560
Care to guess which one that one is?

575
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,560
Is it the one that you briefly showed on your screen earlier?

576
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:14,560
No, no, no, no. The Genesis shot is the one where it's Genesis Rodriguez just staring into the camera.

577
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:24,560
And she's monologuing about how she hates Justin Long's character and how she can't stand the way that he's turned into what he's become.

578
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,560
And it's just like this long four minute monologue that she's doing.

579
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:32,560
And it's just it's wonderful.

580
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,560
That is a very powerful moment in the movie, for sure.

581
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:42,560
And then you see Haley Joel Osmond's hand come, you know, come on.

582
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,560
I was like, oh, no.

583
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:49,560
But also like, good for you.

584
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,560
He's a caring person.

585
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:58,560
He's so caring.

586
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:03,560
Well, yeah, that's that's really, really neat.

587
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:09,560
So I watched one. I got the DVD from from the library.

588
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,560
And I wanted that because I knew there'd be bonus features.

589
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:17,560
And one of them was a featurette with Kevin Smith is like 20 years until Tusk.

590
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:22,560
And it's just Kevin Smith talking. And like we all know now, I didn't know.

591
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,560
Yeah, he loves to talk and he's very candid.

592
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:34,560
But I found him extremely well spoken and insightful and like he's learned a lot of lessons over his filmmaking career.

593
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:42,560
He really wants he's really passionate about indie filmmaking because it's he gets to tell personal stories.

594
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:50,560
And part of his career journey is getting lost kind of in the mainstream studio racket.

595
00:46:50,560 --> 00:47:00,560
And he made a couple of movies. The two movies he made before Tusk were Zach and Mary make a porno in 2008 and cop out in 2010.

596
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:05,560
Yeah. He was really dissatisfied with those projects for various reasons.

597
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:14,560
So he kind of stepped away from filmmaking and decided to just be a podcaster, to just be as he said, quote, just Kevin Smith.

598
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:20,560
And he went on tours and just kind of being himself for his fans.

599
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:28,560
But it was the creation of this podcast called Smodcast with his co-host, Scott Moser.

600
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:38,560
And they had this this podcast called The Walrus and Carpenter, as they as it said in the movie, based on true events.

601
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,560
I thought, please don't let that be true.

602
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:49,560
So the whole idea was that it was based off of like what you see in the movie where Wallace goes to the bathroom of this random bar.

603
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:53,560
And then he sees an ad, you know, saying, I live alone.

604
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:57,560
I want somebody to come help me and I'll give you a bunch of stories to tell and free rent.

605
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:03,560
So essentially, that part was what was true.

606
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:10,560
So what Kevin Smith finds out later on is that it was just somebody trying to mess with other people at the bar.

607
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:12,560
And so they just put that up there.

608
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,560
And then he didn't realize that until far later.

609
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,560
But he's like, I have to make a movie about this.

610
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:18,560
This is the dumbest thing ever.

611
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,560
It's so fascinating.

612
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:21,560
I need to do it.

613
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:22,560
So he just went from one extreme to the other.

614
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,560
And he just he he hammered it home.

615
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:29,560
That's all I got. I could say about that.

616
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,560
And Sean, you could probably speak to this a little bit more maybe.

617
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:40,560
Like so on the smodcast episode, the walrus and the carpenter like Kevin Smith and Scott Moser were just like inventing a story behind that.

618
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:44,560
Right. And that sort of is what became the movie Tusk, like a similar story.

619
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,560
Right. Yeah, pretty much.

620
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:51,560
Because basically they did you get all the way to the end of the credits?

621
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:56,560
OK, so you heard that little beat where they actually do that little bit of the podcast that they aired.

622
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,560
So that's essentially what happened.

623
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:02,560
They just just kept ripping, ripping off each other.

624
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:06,560
And yeah, we got the movie out of it.

625
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:11,560
But but but Kevin Smith and Moser put it to a vote, right, with Twitter followers.

626
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:16,560
Yes. And as he describes it, everybody on Twitter said hashtag walrus.

627
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:21,560
Yes. Except one person who said, well, everybody says, yes, I got to be the dissenting opinion.

628
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:25,560
It's really walrus. Yes. But I just need to see where this is.

629
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:30,560
And at the end or part of the credits of Tusk are the handles.

630
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:35,560
I guess they're the Twitter handles of those who voted walrus.

631
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:37,560
Yes, I believe that's the case.

632
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:42,560
But I think that might also be people who chipped in for any kind of funding.

633
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:44,560
I don't really remember. Yeah.

634
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:47,560
Well, still, I think that's really cool.

635
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:50,560
I didn't know any of that. That's really interesting.

636
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:55,560
I know it was its origins were like in his podcast, but I love the idea of, you know,

637
00:49:55,560 --> 00:50:00,560
maybe like acknowledging backers or people who supported it in some way,

638
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:04,560
either financially or just on social media. I think that's cool.

639
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:06,560
Oh, yeah. That's fun.

640
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:10,560
It's like a grassroots type of filmmaking. Yeah, totally.

641
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:18,560
I recently I don't know if you guys are familiar with the In Search of Darkness, like deep dive horror documentary.

642
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:24,560
They did one for the 80s. It's incredibly thorough, but they just did one for the 90s.

643
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:29,560
They released the first few years of it. And for Christmas, my partner got me.

644
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:33,560
Actually, he put my name in as a backer. So my name is in the credits.

645
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,560
That feels good. And I just saw that actually today.

646
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:43,560
So hearing that, I'm excited for those people that can see their name as part of a big project.

647
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:47,560
Yeah.

648
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,560
Yeah, I'm just thinking about that. That's so nice.

649
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:58,560
Well, Kevin Smith, just to get back to the production here, the screenplay is only 80 pages.

650
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:12,560
He wrote it. He was he had a lot of his movies financed by the Weinsteins with Miramax and kind of the movie was originally titled The Walrus and the Carpenter.

651
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:21,560
But Kevin Smith, he's he's on record saying like something to the effect of if I'm making a walrus movie, it has to be called Tusk.

652
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:25,560
So that's that's the change of name there.

653
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:31,560
The better. Was it influenced by the song test? Or is that like a film urban legend?

654
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:41,560
So he has gone on record saying that while he was writing the script, he had the song on pretty much throughout the entire writing process.

655
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,560
And that's why it actually made it into the movie.

656
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:49,560
He said that was the most expensive part of the movie was getting that song on there.

657
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:52,560
I can believe that. Yeah.

658
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,560
Yeah, this movie was made for three million dollars.

659
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,560
That's so low.

660
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:05,560
But oh, but this is another great point that Kevin Smith says like right off the bat in that featurette.

661
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:14,560
He says. He loves working with next to no money because it forces him to be creative.

662
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:19,560
And I love that spirit just as a as an artist myself.

663
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,560
Yeah, money is not always I mean, it helps.

664
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:26,560
It can help. But, you know, what how how can you be creative?

665
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:30,560
How can you think outside the box? If you're forced to.

666
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,560
And I think there's some value to that.

667
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:42,560
It also comes with his experience of those two mainstream movies because he put a little bit more money into those and the returns were not great.

668
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:52,560
Even though he wrote Zack and Mary, it just he was still trying to catch that mainstream vibe of Judd Apatow, Seth Rogen, everybody who was hot at the time.

669
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:59,560
And it just it didn't really stretch anything beyond his idea of I need somebody behind the counter,

670
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:04,560
which was the beginning of Zack and Mary, where they all work at a coffee shop.

671
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:16,560
And then from here, it's basically just him redoing clerks over and over, which he has now officially done, you know, up to clerks three, which is a tragic movie.

672
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:22,560
I love it. That's so funny. Yeah, I definitely have to see clerks.

673
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:26,560
Yeah, I remember seeing dogma when I was a kid on Comedy Central.

674
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,560
But I didn't realize it was Kevin Smith.

675
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:35,560
Yeah, actually kind of cool because you can't get it. It's hard to find a hard copy of dogma.

676
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:40,560
Like, it's almost impossible. And you go on eBay and stuff. You can find it.

677
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:46,560
But I can't remember the exact reason. But I have a like a torrent of it.

678
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:56,560
Oh, yeah. Why? Strictly because of Weinstein. He originally was holding on to the rights of dogma even while he's incarcerated.

679
00:53:56,560 --> 00:54:02,560
And Kevin was like, look, I want this movie back. This is all the money I can give you in order to buy it back for me.

680
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:09,560
And for the longest time, Weinstein kept saying no, like he kept telling his his legal team. No, I bet I can make more money off of this.

681
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:17,560
He finally got the rights back as of last year. So he's officially going to work on a quote unquote remaster.

682
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:22,560
And he's going to tour it across the states again, kind of like how he does with all of his current movies.

683
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:26,560
And then after he's finished the tour, he's going to rerelease at retail.

684
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:30,560
Nice. Cool. Good news. Yeah. I really like dogma a lot.

685
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:34,560
That's that's my favorite Kevin Smith movie. And I just think it's interesting.

686
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:38,560
I know we were talking about him before. But if I can go back to the Kevin Smith conversation briefly,

687
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:43,560
I just think it's really fascinating that like for like the first decade of his career or like most of the 90s anyway,

688
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:51,560
he was like making like fairly like we were talking about, like low key kind of like hangout movies, clerks, mall rats, chasing Amy.

689
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:58,560
I think it's kind of like that, too. And I think at some point right around dogma, maybe like it started to be a little bit like higher concept.

690
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:06,560
Like, what if like all these like angels and like demons like met on Earth and then like, you know,

691
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:13,560
I think maybe like we even see that in Red State and Tusk a little bit when we're like the ideas get like more extra extravagant kind of.

692
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:21,560
And they're not just sort of like chill hangout movies. There's like like grand concepts behind them or whatever.

693
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:28,560
And I don't know if it always works. I haven't seen a lot of them like Red State and Yoga Hosers, but it's just an interesting progression, I think.

694
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:34,560
And in Tusk, it's like it definitely works in what it's trying to do. And I find that fascinating.

695
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:46,560
Nice. He he. So speaking of Red State, Smith credits his ability to make horror a horror film based on the success he had in making Red State,

696
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:53,560
which is a horror thriller about like an ultra conservative family. I haven't seen it personally.

697
00:55:53,560 --> 00:56:00,560
But Michael Parks is in that movie. And Kevin Smith loved working with Michael Parks so much.

698
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:06,560
He brought him onto Tusk. And then I think there's a really great quote from Kevin Smith on that.

699
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:15,560
He says, I just wanted to showcase Michael Parks and a fucked up story where he could recite some Lewis Carroll and rhyme of the ancient mariner.

700
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:23,560
Some poor motherfucker sewn into a realistic walrus costume. Cool. That's a great quote. Yeah, I love that.

701
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:30,560
I mean, like you strip everything away. I just really love an artist saying I want to do this.

702
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:40,560
I want to make this movie because no one else will. And it's like like that's a real attitude that I that I gravitate towards as an artist.

703
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:48,560
So. Yeah, I'm like, go for it. Go go make all the messed up movies you want, Kevin Smith, even if they're terrible.

704
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:55,560
As long as they're not trauma. Well, I think there's that's interesting. You bring that up.

705
00:56:55,560 --> 00:57:03,560
I think I think there's like there's a lot of like exploitation, trash DNA in.

706
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:10,560
Tusk. But I don't think it's quite as trashy as a trauma film.

707
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:20,560
So just to add on to that real quick, I finally watched my first trauma movie two weeks ago, which was Toxic Avenger.

708
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:26,560
It's rough. Yeah, that's all I got.

709
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:36,560
Yeah, I hope this doesn't sound too self promotional, but we talked about that in the podcast a while back and it like I feel like it is trying to say something about the 80s, but it just does so.

710
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:51,560
And like the most sleazy and disturbing and like grades like proudly juvenile and like it's hard to really love that movie all that much when it's like, you know, the the means don't justify the ends or maybe the maybe vice versa or whatever.

711
00:57:51,560 --> 00:58:00,560
But anyway, it's really hard to like Toxic Avenger, I think. Yeah, like that summer gaming things. But other than that, yeah, just to play devil's advocate.

712
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:08,560
I mean, that is what it is. It is a sleazy in some ways, check your brain at the door type of movie.

713
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:16,560
So I don't know. Maybe you meet it on its own terms. Maybe you don't. Maybe it's not your cup of tea.

714
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:21,560
I watched it with a group of friends at the time, so that was about as best as I could do it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

715
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:31,560
Well, principal photography for Tusk was real quick, November 4th to November 22nd, 2013 and critical reviews.

716
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:38,560
I find them to be mixed to negative, but I find public reviews a little more forgiving.

717
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:41,560
It is a cult classic or at least a cult movie.

718
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:51,560
I had a question. I was really surprised that you said that it was kind of like a lower budget because I don't know.

719
00:58:51,560 --> 00:59:01,560
I think horror has kind of evolved to where like now we have technology and technology can be really expensive and that is can like be at the forefront of how people make things.

720
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:08,560
So I just wonder how he did that. You know, like what kind of collaborations took place to like, you know, was it practical?

721
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:15,560
Was it like how much was CG? Like, I don't know. And my eye is not sharp enough to distinguish.

722
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:19,560
But so I just wonder like how he was able to do it so cheaply.

723
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:28,560
Kirk's been all the way. He was a very good effects guy in order to help get that budget really low.

724
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:33,560
And he pays the actors, I think, like sag minimum.

725
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:42,560
So they're like actors aren't really getting much on it. So everything else is just going towards the expense of actually how to, you know, produce the movie.

726
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:47,560
Yeah. And like while the house was grand, it's a pretty small set if you think about it.

727
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:52,560
You know, there's only a few locations. I guess that makes sense. Small cast.

728
00:59:52,560 --> 01:00:00,560
Well, I was just thinking like even some of the sort of like, you know, there's kind of like a violent climax, but that mostly takes place off screen.

729
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:05,560
Like, I don't want to give anything away. Something might be impaled by a whale wrist tusk.

730
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:08,560
But like, you know, that mostly happens off screen.

731
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:11,560
So I feel like that helps kind of like keep the budget down a little bit as well.

732
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:24,560
Yeah, no, it's it's really clever is not the right word, but it's really just I read the word workman like applied to Kevin Smith.

733
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:35,560
Like he knows how to keep things well managed. He knows how to manage a budget and time and to really get the maximum output.

734
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:39,560
And I think I think that's just as important as the creative stuff, too.

735
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:51,560
Like, I think in terms of his longevity and success, he knows the business side of it and how to how to be an effective filmmaker in that way.

736
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:57,560
If you ever get the chance, I strongly recommend checking out his autobiographies that he's done.

737
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:01,560
I think he's got two out and they're incredibly inspirational.

738
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:05,560
They I've teared up reading one of them.

739
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:13,560
But the whole thing about it is it basically I think one of them is called.

740
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:15,560
I don't remember the game, so excuse me on that.

741
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:27,560
But anyways, one of them is basically detailing his life about how he has moved on to being a podcaster and how he's trying to make things completely different on that side of the business,

742
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:32,560
because he's managed to turn that into an empire, so to speak.

743
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:44,560
But when you actually see how he tried to make Zack and Miri and then go from that to podcasting, you see his guess you can call it his downfall and then his I wouldn't say meteoric rise.

744
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:49,560
But I would say rise enough to D level status of being a celebrity.

745
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:54,560
And he just everything about it is just such a good read.

746
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:56,560
Yeah, I'll have to check that out.

747
01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:58,560
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748
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:07,560
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749
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:15,560
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750
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Link in the show notes.

751
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:22,560
And we have Menya's mailbox.

752
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:25,560
Matt, do you want to read this comment here?

753
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:27,560
Yeah, sure.

754
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:31,560
Let me first say that Menya's mailbox is brought to you by Patreon.

755
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:34,560
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756
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:36,560
So please become a patron.

757
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:37,560
Thank you.

758
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:41,560
On YouTube, Historical Education commented.

759
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:44,560
Oh, first, can I ask you, Vincent, what video they commented on?

760
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:46,560
The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms.

761
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:48,560
OK, that makes sense.

762
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:54,560
So they wrote, can you do it came from beneath the sea, which is a great idea.

763
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:55,560
I think we should do it.

764
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:57,560
Another Ray Harryhausen movie.

765
01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:00,560
It's about a giant octopus.

766
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:01,560
Yeah, let's do it.

767
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:04,560
Historical Education, thank you for your comment.

768
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:14,560
Yeah, I actually wanted to bring it to the podcast years ago, but I swapped it out for Valley of Gwangi, which is Matt's favorite movie.

769
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:17,560
I might have preferred it came from beneath the sea, but that's all right.

770
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:21,560
We take everything here on Camp Kaiju, the good, the bad and the downright can be.

771
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:22,560
There you go.

772
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:43,560
Welcome to Poverty Row Studios on the other side of Hollywood, where the stars were dimmer and the red carpet stripped with blood.

773
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:52,560
Together we will watch the best of the worst movies known for their limited budgets, outlandish concepts and questionable performances.

774
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:58,560
But with enough haunted houses, zombies, ape men and devil bats to keep you up at night.

775
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:01,560
This is the Poverty Row Picture Show.

776
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:09,560
I dare you to sleep through these nightmares.

777
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:23,560
In season four of Camp Kaiju, I was unceremoniously resurrected from my grave by Matt, even Vincent, and I was forced into reviewing monster movements of the silent era in exchange for my eventual freedom.

778
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:31,560
I lived, worked and ate fish heads in this recording booth that soon became its own kind of eternal sarcophagus of hell.

779
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:37,560
As I marked the days until my freedom, a little mouse burrowed its way into my prison.

780
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:49,560
Sporting a friendly smile and an off-color sense of humor, this rodent, whose name was Pierre, soon became not only my bosom buddy but my lifeline to the outside world.

781
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:57,560
All this changed one fateful evening when Pierre was overcome with murderous envy for my natural broadcasting abilities.

782
01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:02,560
He attacked me with a meat cleaver and things have never been quite the same.

783
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:15,560
Now, well, I suppose I'd better get back to the Poverty Row Picture, but I have not seen Pierre around and flashbacks to that terrible night flashed before my eyes.

784
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:21,560
Listeners, beware of little mousey feet scurrying in the night.

785
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:39,560
Now, until the rat bastard shows his face, let us enjoy the antics of a certain rat with wings known as the Devil Bat starring Bela Lugosi from Poverty Row Studio Producers Releasing Corporation, better known as PRC.

786
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:48,560
This studio was the poorest of the bunch, but that did not prevent Bela Lugosi from a string of leading roles in their horror endeavors.

787
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:52,560
The Devil Bat may just be the best of the bunch.

788
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:57,560
Lugosi stars as an amiable scientist with a mad secret.

789
01:05:57,560 --> 01:06:06,560
He has been breeding enormous bats for the purpose of exacting revenge on those business associates who have cheated him out of a fortune.

790
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:17,560
These bats have been conditioned to seek out the pungent odor of a certain aftershave that Lugosi tricks his victims into applying onto their necks.

791
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:27,560
Dracula, move over! There's a new blood-sucking monster in town and it is a giant rubber prop on strings screaming bloody murder.

792
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:35,560
Truly, listeners, the Devil Bat is essential viewing for fans of classic horror movies.

793
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:43,560
And while critically dismissed in its day, the Devil Bat nevertheless spawned rip-offs and its own sequel.

794
01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:58,560
The popular appeal is no doubt thanks to Lugosi, who delivers a signature deadpan performance in an otherwise campy picture where you'll find yourself laughing at the dramatic action and groaning through the attempts at comedic relief.

795
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:06,560
It's really, really a joy of motion picture making and a breath of fresh air as we delve into the depths of classic schlock.

796
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:21,560
Next time on the Poverty Row Picture Show, we will discuss another Lugosi film from PRC called The Invisible Ghost, in which Lugosi plays another friendly town leader beset with madness.

797
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:36,560
This time over the disappearance of his wife. But is she really gone? Stay tuned to find out!

798
01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:58,560
They tormented him until he had a horrifying accident and fell into a vat of nuclear waste.

799
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:06,560
Transforming little Melvin into a hideously deformed creature of superhuman size and strength.

800
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:13,560
Melvin became the Toxic Avenger.

801
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:21,560
The first superhero born out of nuclear waste. Look out!

802
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:25,560
Okay, so, Demi, what did you like about this movie?

803
01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:40,560
I've already kind of talked about it, but for me it was Michael Parks. Like, he is what I like. There's a lot of things I like about this movie, but to me, like, that is the most resonant piece of the movie for me.

804
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:57,560
And side note, I heard something kind of strange that I first I thought I wasn't reading it correctly, but he actually was buried at sea, which I thought was really interesting. I didn't know you could request that, but I thought like his character in Tusk would probably request that.

805
01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:01,560
No disrespect to him, but I just thought that was really interesting.

806
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:03,560
That's good trivia. I didn't know that. Yeah.

807
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:14,560
I was like, wow, like, can I say that true? How do you arrange that? But yeah, for me, his character was awesome, and I loved the elephant monologues.

808
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:27,560
And like I said, I just felt that they really mirrored the podcasting format itself, you know, and it made me think that Kevin Smith is not that I ever didn't think he was smart, but I admired that level.

809
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:39,560
That Wallace and Howe are both men who love to talk and tell elaborate stories while their audience is unable to respond. And I just thought that that was like, kind of darkly funny in a way that the rest of the movie is.

810
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:53,560
And that's probably my favorite way. And if I was trying to like sell it to somebody, I would give them a version of that. Like, that it's it's meta in a way, and it's interesting, and it's memorable.

811
01:09:53,560 --> 01:10:01,560
And it has some great performances in it. And this gives you something to think about beyond just the images that it leaves in your mind.

812
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:08,560
So I liked it. I thought it was fun. It's it sparks thoughts in me all around a good time.

813
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:19,560
Are any of them about the fighters?

814
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:32,560
I mean, I did have some wishes, you know, I thought like, wow, I wish, you know, you could do other podcasters like they're really obnoxious ones like, you know, the Joe Rogan types or something.

815
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:40,560
But yeah, just that statement of Internet culture, podcasting, media exploitation, you know, it still feels relevant over a decade later.

816
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:41,560
Oh, yeah.

817
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:51,560
Yeah, maybe I can go next real quick. Sean, I feel like you have a lot of great things to say about this movie. So I'll just like briefly give my my good the things I liked about this movie.

818
01:10:51,560 --> 01:11:02,560
But no, Naomi, I totally agree with you. I think like this movie, like I kind of assumed that maybe it would be like kind of jokey and just like a gimmick like the little bit that I knew about it before watching it.

819
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:14,560
But it really is sophisticated in some ways. That seems like a strange thing to say about this movie. But like, you know, it has things to say about the world of podcasting and like digital media in general.

820
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:22,560
And maybe it's just like media even broader than that, just like, you know, selling yourself just for a couple likes and for like a little more engagement.

821
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:32,560
Like the Justin Long character is pretty disgusting in this movie, even before he literally gets disgusting. He's just morally reprehensible.

822
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:38,560
And, you know, like it's little things like the fact that he wants to interview the Kill Bill kid who accidentally cut off his own leg.

823
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:44,560
And then, of course, Justin Long's own leg gets cut off. It like seems like karmic retribution, you know.

824
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:58,560
So I like everything it has to say about his character. I read a review of Tusk that kind of covers some of the things that we've been talking about where Kevin Smith is so verbose and loves talking so much.

825
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:07,560
And the Justin Long character in this movie loses his voice, like loses the ability to talk. And like that's among the many sort of tragedies that happen to him.

826
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:14,560
And the review, it's by Bilj Ebirah. I don't know if I'm pronouncing his name right, but he's great. He writes for Vulture and he's written for some other publications.

827
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:22,560
And he's kind of saying that it's like Kevin Smith's like, what if I lost my ability to express myself and make what I want to make?

828
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:34,560
And sort of like we've been talking about, that's a very relevant theme, like throughout his career, especially around this time of like those last couple mainstream movies to self funding these movies.

829
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:48,560
So I think that's really fascinating. I think there's like real skill in like building up a sense of dread, especially in that scene when Justin Long is drinking the drugged tea, like before we know exactly what's going to happen, but we know that something is up.

830
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:58,560
Just like some of the cutaways and some of the close ups of like Howard's like wheelchair and stuff like that, building a sense of suspense. Really well done.

831
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:08,560
So again, I kind of just thought this was going to be like a one joke movie, but it actually does have something to say. And I was impressed by that.

832
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:13,560
Yeah, totally. I think you're kind of piggybacking on what you say about creativity.

833
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:28,560
It asks like what part of the artist or the creator or the human, like where does the animal end of the human begin? And I think that if you're a creative person, like you think about that, what is special?

834
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:48,560
Can that be changed? We see at the end, sorry for the spoiler, but it leaves us somewhat ambiguous. I've heard different theories of is he all the way animal or is there still that glimmer of Wallace in him and what makes a person human?

835
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:54,560
Yeah. Sean, what do you think?

836
01:13:54,560 --> 01:14:06,560
So I do have to ask this question because it's posed in the movie. I might as well ask you all. Is man indeed a walrus at heart?

837
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:21,560
I really want to know if you guys think that because with the way how he does convert at the end, it's just like what Naomi was saying. Does he actually have any trace of being Wallace again?

838
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:41,560
And if we weren't getting a sequel, I could tell you. I don't know. Yeah, honestly, this this movie hits on all levels for me, mainly due to the absurdity of it all, because you get the idea of, you know, how far would a podcaster go in order to try and create content?

839
01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:56,560
If you look at stuff now, people will do the most insane things and they will end up trying to record it. And sometimes they get in trouble for it. Sometimes they don't. Other people find them reprehensible. In this case, Wallace is incredibly horrendous.

840
01:14:56,560 --> 01:15:08,560
As we go on throughout the film, it gets more and more absurd. And for me, that just takes a jab at the old ticker. And it's like, yeah, I love this.

841
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:35,560
When it comes to anything involving Michael Parks, he is a very special person to be able to say so many different things. And then when you find his motivation for it all, I like I want to try and relate that to some of the stuff that has been going on to like real world things that have been happening recently, or at least within the last five years.

842
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:46,560
And to see this come out when he also used to work with Weinstein.

843
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:52,560
It's really all that I can say about it's just because I have nothing but love for this movie.

844
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:56,560
I will say each. Well, actually, I do want to ask Matt this.

845
01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:59,560
So what were your.

846
01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:03,560
I want to say, who do you think was miscast for this movie?

847
01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:09,560
Um, yeah, I was I was saving that for my What did I dislike about the movie? But, okay.

848
01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:12,560
But yeah, no, I can talk about that a little bit.

849
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:19,560
You know, I Justin Long and Michael Parks are great. They really do carry this movie, I think.

850
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:32,560
I for me, it's Johnny Depp and Haley Joel Osment that are like big mistakes in the casting, in my opinion, I, and I don't actually think it's Johnny Depp, I think it's the Gila point character overall.

851
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:37,560
Maybe I will save that a little bit for my upcoming discussion and like what did I dislike about the movie?

852
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:49,560
But I think that part does come off a little bit too jokey and gimmicky when it should at that moment of the movie probably be focusing on other things, you know.

853
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:51,560
But yeah, maybe I'll save that discussion for later.

854
01:16:51,560 --> 01:17:02,560
But and Haley Joel Osment, like I guess I sort of understand like casting somebody who used to be like so prominent in the public eye and then maybe was out of that for a while.

855
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:05,560
And but people still know about him and he's still somewhat recognizable.

856
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:06,560
I do understand those parts of it.

857
01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:17,560
But for me, the narrative and emotional trajectory of like the love triangle or like the affair with Genesis and Teddy or whatever his name is, did not buy it for a second.

858
01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:24,560
And I think that's mostly because of Haley Joel Osment, like I don't think he really builds a believable character in this movie.

859
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:29,560
And maybe that's on me for just like knowing it's Haley Joel Osment and like fixating on that a little bit too much.

860
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:40,560
But it's impossible to imagine, in my opinion, that the Allie character would would find solace with him or refuge with him or whatever.

861
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:43,560
He's a much nicer guy than Wallace, no doubt about that.

862
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:47,560
But but still kind of like I don't know.

863
01:17:47,560 --> 01:18:03,560
I think the character and I think Haley Joel Osment is responsible for part of this seems like he's just there to like push the story along and kind of like provide a foil for both the Allie and the Wallace characters.

864
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:05,560
And it just didn't work for me.

865
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:17,560
I'll just briefly state kind of a variation on the themes we're talking about as a writer, as just an enjoyer of dialogue and movies.

866
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:19,560
I really enjoyed this screenplay.

867
01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:26,560
I love the long monologues as a choice, because afterwards I realized, oh, everyone's telling a story, right?

868
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:28,560
Howard Howe has his flashbacks.

869
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:31,560
Guy LaPointe has his own flashbacks.

870
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:35,560
I'm like, oh, everyone's telling a story in this movie.

871
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:37,560
Love that.

872
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:44,560
Yeah, I think I think the actors we all mentioned that we are on board with.

873
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:47,560
I did all that.

874
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:56,560
To your to your question, Sean, you know, for the movie's question, Howard Howe's question, are we all just Walruses at heart?

875
01:18:56,560 --> 01:19:01,560
Walrus, I don't know, but are we all just savages at heart?

876
01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:04,560
Are we all just animals like is there?

877
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:11,560
I think this movie really explores that that tug and pull between like our brains and our instincts.

878
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:19,560
I think that's the story of humanity, like always striving to be better than our inner walrus.

879
01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:36,560
And it is so hard to do, and I think Howard Howe, in his own screwed up, prophetic way, he's like here to reveal the truth.

880
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:44,560
But I mean, obviously, it's not a prophet I want to encounter at any point.

881
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:54,560
But there's a there's a there's a part of Howard Howe that's almost sympathetic because you're like, you see where he's coming from.

882
01:19:54,560 --> 01:20:00,560
He just takes it to the farthest extreme.

883
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:02,560
Maybe that's just the cynic in me talking.

884
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:13,560
But I think I think this movie does explore that darker side of humanity that is perhaps in us all.

885
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:17,560
Oh, totally. It's I don't think you would be as interesting of a villain.

886
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:20,560
And it's like we've got two villains in this.

887
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:30,560
We've got, you know, the Wallace character that kind of pulls on this, like, you know, you know, do we sympathize with him or is he getting what he deserves?

888
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:34,560
Like, how do we feel about pitying him as he's just like wailing?

889
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:41,560
You know, it kind of strike, at least for me, like I think of his wailing and it's just so, you know, full of agony.

890
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:44,560
But yeah, he I agree.

891
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:46,560
It sort of explores those darker things.

892
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:49,560
And he does such a good job of it.

893
01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:51,560
I can't say enough good things.

894
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:53,560
Agreed. Yeah. Yeah.

895
01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:58,560
Well, what about what about some things that don't work for us in this movie?

896
01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:04,560
I'll go first, because I didn't quite I kind of struggled to come up with things I didn't like.

897
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:05,560
I had to think about it.

898
01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:12,560
And I was like, OK, I feel like certain scenes might overstay their welcome.

899
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:14,560
Like the guy, the point character.

900
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:19,560
I generally really enjoyed this character, actually, and found Johnny Depp hilarious.

901
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:23,560
But there was one point where I went, well, we get it.

902
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:28,560
Maybe this monologue has gone on a little too long.

903
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:33,560
As Monty Python would say, get on with it.

904
01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:36,560
But yeah, I mean, maybe the jokes try too hard.

905
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:41,560
Kevin Smith's trying too hard to like have funny Canadians.

906
01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:44,560
But again, I'm like, it doesn't really detract.

907
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:49,560
But you could critique such elements.

908
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:52,560
I would agree. Yeah.

909
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:55,560
Maybe I'll just real quickly piggyback off of that.

910
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:59,560
So, yeah, like back to the Guy LaPuon character, like I think.

911
01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:10,560
So what I like about this movie is that it actually does have some complex characters like Wallace and Howard and, you know, like some themes beneath the surface.

912
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:19,560
But I also find this movie pretty frustrating because then, like, you know, you have the Guy LaPuon character where there's no better way to say it.

913
01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:20,560
So I need to be a little bit vulgar.

914
01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:22,560
I think Kevin Smith is just fucking around a little bit.

915
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:29,560
He's like, you know, like, oh, I want to have this ridiculous French or like Quebecois detective pretty much for no reason.

916
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:33,560
And like kind of like muddy up the pacing towards the end of the movie.

917
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:40,560
And I do tend to like films that have like a lot of different styles and genres like balanced comedy and horror and drama.

918
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:43,560
And like I normally do like that thing a lot.

919
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:51,560
But I think in this case, that Guy character especially and some of the like Canadian accents and some of the jokes around that,

920
01:22:51,560 --> 01:23:09,560
like I think having that, but then also having a story where Howard, you know, faced really terrible abuse as a child and was sexually assaulted and, you know, had this like really intense relationship with this walrus when he was marooned on this island or whatever.

921
01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:14,560
At times I was like, I just don't know what tone Kevin Smith is really going for here.

922
01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:25,560
And I think it kind of like undermines what the characters dramatically went through to then have like, oh, Johnny Depp's just going to do a funny accent and wear some silly makeup.

923
01:23:25,560 --> 01:23:29,560
So that that stuff didn't totally work for me.

924
01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:41,560
Yeah. And that's why I say it's frustrating because I think this movie could have been even better if Kevin Smith had like a little bit more carefully been like this is where the comedy comes in and this is where the horror comes in and this is where the drama comes in.

925
01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:50,560
I do admire like the multitude of different tones and styles, but I don't know if it's really always very carefully done in this movie.

926
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:56,560
Yeah, I have to agree. I would say that Guy LaPointe, it didn't really work for me.

927
01:23:56,560 --> 01:24:01,560
That's my main criticism of the film is I think it kind of pulls focus.

928
01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:12,560
I think, you know, is it sort of like that film Long Legs that just came out where is my problem that is it because Johnny Depp is so famous and for me it was recognizable.

929
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:19,560
And, you know, how would I feel about it if it was an unknown or a lesser known. I still think that that tone was a little bit different.

930
01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:26,560
I, I think it's, it's so weird that like I kind of like like hate it in a weird way.

931
01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:39,560
And I think it kind of contributes to its infamy as like a cult movie. But for me, I just didn't really like it and I felt a little bit of whiplash, you know, when I when he was on screen.

932
01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:43,560
So I'm going to mirror what everyone else is saying.

933
01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:57,560
Guy LaPointe is the only thing that pretty much stands out for me in terms of kind of lowering the movie a little bit because he's got some decent one liners. But as a whole, his his stick is just way too long.

934
01:24:57,560 --> 01:25:12,560
When he starts going into the flashback where he talks about how he met, you know, some I think was Howard Moussier, where he's talking to him and then they go with their banter between the hillbilly and, you know, the French Canadian and just it just

935
01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:16,560
goes on way too long.

936
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:40,560
Again, Guy LaPointe, really, he's an interesting character specifically just due to the fact as like what Matt said, he's literally there just to be a comedic person with really off putting makeup, which Johnny Depp has actually gone on record saying, Hey, Kevin, if I wear my nose like this, does it look like a certain appendage?

937
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:43,560
So, yeah.

938
01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:51,560
But as a whole, I love that the fact that it's as what Vincent said, everybody is telling their own stories throughout the entire movie.

939
01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:54,560
And that's great.

940
01:25:54,560 --> 01:26:11,560
Except when you have everyone telling their own story, at what point does it start feeling like little segments that you should include as like little one shot stories on YouTube or as like a short film and try to get it to coalesce into a giant film piece.

941
01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:26,560
And that's where I think it loses it a little bit because he's having all these things trying to mix together. And for the most part, it works. But there are some parts where it's just like, can we can we get a move on? This is this just doesn't seem like it's sitting.

942
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:29,560
It's just sitting. It's not doing anything else.

943
01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:32,560
So, yeah.

944
01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:34,560
Yeah, well said, everybody.

945
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:38,560
What about some campy moments?

946
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:41,560
Like one.

947
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:44,560
And it's a comedy, right? So, you know, choose what you will.

948
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:53,560
But I this is a Gila Point moment when he's going on about poutine, the poutine weenies, the poutine weenies.

949
01:26:53,560 --> 01:26:57,560
I didn't know about poutine until I spent a summer in upstate New York.

950
01:26:57,560 --> 01:27:10,560
I love it now, but it's for those of you who don't know, it's like french fries lathered in gravy and it's really good. But, you know, it can mess you up.

951
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:15,560
As Gila Point was was was talking about. So I found that funny.

952
01:27:15,560 --> 01:27:21,560
Shouldn't have had that second slider.

953
01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:29,560
My favorite thing, it's probably one of the lines that's actually spoken, but just the way that it transitions from.

954
01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:33,560
Psychotic to funny back to psychotic back to funny.

955
01:27:33,560 --> 01:27:38,560
It's that dining table scene where he says, I'm immobilized.

956
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:44,560
I can't move. Tell me what did you what did you see this the spider?

957
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:49,560
Oh, the arachnid assailant. You could say that it's a it was tiny.

958
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:56,560
It's you busy. Then then they start screaming at each other and then he gets up, walks over and that's when you get that sudden realization.

959
01:27:56,560 --> 01:28:02,560
Oh, my goodness. He's been lying this entire time. I mean, you should have already gotten it beforehand, but he's just been lying to him.

960
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:12,560
Smacks him sits back down. Then they start screaming and wailing walrus like and it's just it's that really thin line where it's like, OK, this is absurd.

961
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:19,560
This is dark, but it's kind of funny. It's just moments like that that really get me.

962
01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:34,560
I agree. That's a really great scene. I think for me, the campiest moment is the I think Sean already mentioned it, but like the flashback where Guy is talking to Howard and Howard has like the kind of hillbilly accent, which I read was Michael Park's idea.

963
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:39,560
He was like, wouldn't it be funny if I just had this accent all of a sudden? That's kind of cool.

964
01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:47,560
It's yeah, I mean, that probably is another tangent that I don't know if the movie necessarily needs, but it's very entertaining, just very bizarre.

965
01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:56,560
And like seeing those two actors, regardless of how I feel about their characters for the Guy LaPointe character, I like that scene a lot.

966
01:28:56,560 --> 01:29:00,560
This is very bizarre, really over the top for sure.

967
01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:13,560
Yeah, for me, it's all the Guy stuff too. Like he's the campiest part of it for me. Yeah, just every all of his dialogue, like the way he delivers life.

968
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:24,560
You know, it's just Johnny Depp is just such a strange guy, you know, like put him in a wig. He'll do a weird accent, like, you know, business as usual.

969
01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:31,560
Totally. OK, Matt, let us let us get to our final ratings.

970
01:29:31,560 --> 01:29:36,560
All right, so I'll do the rundown of our ratings as usual here on Camp Kaiju.

971
01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:41,560
Our highest rating is it's a timeless classic. It definitely stands the test of time.

972
01:29:41,560 --> 01:29:47,560
Our second rating is there may be some antiquated moments, but overall it's great and stands the test of time.

973
01:29:47,560 --> 01:29:54,560
Number three, it may be historically significant or just fun, but it does not stand the test of time and our lowest ranking.

974
01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:59,560
It is not worth revisiting and definitely does not stand the test of time.

975
01:29:59,560 --> 01:30:05,560
For me, it's between two different rankings here, two different ratings or whatever.

976
01:30:05,560 --> 01:30:12,560
I'm going to go with a more positive route. There may be some like maybe not great moments, but overall it's really good.

977
01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:18,560
I think it does stand the test of time. It's just one of a kind. It's better than I expected it to be.

978
01:30:18,560 --> 01:30:25,560
And like I thought it was going to be entertaining, but like it actually has some substance to it, which is like honestly more than I expected.

979
01:30:25,560 --> 01:30:32,560
So, yeah, maybe some moments that I didn't like all that much, but I do think it does and will stand the test of time.

980
01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:38,560
I'll have to agree to me. There are some antiquated moments, but it does stand the test of time.

981
01:30:38,560 --> 01:30:44,560
It's super memorable. It sticks with you. It's very unique.

982
01:30:44,560 --> 01:30:55,560
We can find references to it like in other stories, other media, but I don't know any other films that are like this.

983
01:30:55,560 --> 01:31:07,560
So I think that it will stand the test of time. And if it had come out in the 80s or the 90s, it might have got cult following even sooner.

984
01:31:07,560 --> 01:31:14,560
I think it kind of came out like whores having a big moment right now. Body horror even with movies like The Substance.

985
01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:21,560
And if it had come out at another time, I think it would have gotten some traction and what stood the test of time.

986
01:31:21,560 --> 01:31:25,560
So I give that rating as well.

987
01:31:25,560 --> 01:31:26,560
Nice.

988
01:31:26,560 --> 01:31:38,560
Before I get my rating, I do want to say the newest VHS movie, VHS Beyond, there is a segment that is actually written and directed by Justin Long.

989
01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:43,560
It is essentially his version of Tusk.

990
01:31:43,560 --> 01:31:44,560
Cool.

991
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:54,560
So they've definitely tried to redo it. I don't think it captures the magic very well, which gets me to my rating.

992
01:31:54,560 --> 01:32:00,560
We all know that I love this movie. I've gone on saying multiple lovely things about this.

993
01:32:00,560 --> 01:32:08,560
But as one of the quotes says, you got your canadoes and you got your canadotes.

994
01:32:08,560 --> 01:32:19,560
And while I love this movie, as we've all said, there are some things that don't mesh really well.

995
01:32:19,560 --> 01:32:25,560
I want to give it the highest, but I can't. So it's going to have to be there. Maybe some antiquated moments, but overall, it's great.

996
01:32:25,560 --> 01:32:27,560
Stands the test of time.

997
01:32:27,560 --> 01:32:29,560
Gavel.

998
01:32:29,560 --> 01:32:31,560
Wow. I.

999
01:32:31,560 --> 01:32:33,560
I.

1000
01:32:33,560 --> 01:32:37,560
I'm so torn between those top two.

1001
01:32:37,560 --> 01:32:42,560
But I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to break up this streak. I'm going to give it the highest rating.

1002
01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:44,560
Can I take it back?

1003
01:32:44,560 --> 01:32:46,560
No.

1004
01:32:46,560 --> 01:32:48,560
You gavel.

1005
01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:53,560
I think, you know, like this is the movie where I struggled like all night.

1006
01:32:53,560 --> 01:32:57,560
I'm thinking, what am I going to rate this movie? Because here we are.

1007
01:32:57,560 --> 01:33:02,560
I mean, everyone talks about this movie, even if you haven't seen it. We've all kind of known about it.

1008
01:33:02,560 --> 01:33:05,560
And maybe my expectations were low.

1009
01:33:05,560 --> 01:33:10,560
But it exceeded my expectations. I think it's really thematically rich.

1010
01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:15,560
I think it's absurd, but like intentionally absurd.

1011
01:33:15,560 --> 01:33:22,560
And I just I just think intentions, the word I think he Smith really balances the horror and the comedy really well.

1012
01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:27,560
At least again, better than I expected. It just it exceeded my expectations.

1013
01:33:27,560 --> 01:33:32,560
I love the performances and the writing.

1014
01:33:32,560 --> 01:33:39,560
And I don't know if I'm going to watch it again, but I would recommend this movie as like if you can stomach it.

1015
01:33:39,560 --> 01:33:47,560
And there are times where I was like I had like this is a gross movie and I don't often see movies that gross me out.

1016
01:33:47,560 --> 01:33:51,560
So desensitized the horror community like we see these movies all the time.

1017
01:33:51,560 --> 01:33:57,560
But again, this this movie is just so wild.

1018
01:33:57,560 --> 01:34:00,560
Nice. I'm I'm happy that you gave it the highest rating.

1019
01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:03,560
That makes me agree. I didn't expect that.

1020
01:34:03,560 --> 01:34:06,560
Me too. I love it. I think that's a.

1021
01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:25,560
I agree with everything you say, but if I don't feel like totally the same way, like I think and just knowing like what kind of knowledge you have over stories, literature, narrative, like I think that Kevin Smith would probably like be flattered that somebody like you really loves this movie.

1022
01:34:25,560 --> 01:34:30,560
You know, I think that that's cool. I'm going to make sure he's aware of it, even if he doesn't read it.

1023
01:34:30,560 --> 01:34:36,560
There you go. We have a man on the inside. Yeah, just DMM or whatever.

1024
01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:46,560
Before we close off, I do have to ask what did everyone think of the initial walrus shot when they just zoom out and you see it in its entirety?

1025
01:34:46,560 --> 01:34:53,560
Did you laugh? Did you freak out? I gasped. I was like, oh, yeah, I laughed in shock.

1026
01:34:53,560 --> 01:34:58,560
Like it's a funny and highly disturbing moment. I will never unsee that image.

1027
01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:05,560
Yes, I totally agree. It like comes back and yeah, you almost laugh as like a tension breaker or something.

1028
01:35:05,560 --> 01:35:12,560
It's just very and you see his eyes like this coming out of the costume. Yeah, right there.

1029
01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:18,560
It's just it's so memorable, so weird, so great. Yeah.

1030
01:35:18,560 --> 01:35:29,560
All right. Well, thank you, Naomi. Thank you, Sean. So so much. Thank you. I really appreciate that. So again, you can check us out on all your favorite podcasts, listening services.

1031
01:35:29,560 --> 01:35:36,560
It's either at Toku for two or and excuse me for actually entering it this way. Big Macca, but not huge.

1032
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:42,560
So that's that's how I enter every episode. You can also check it out on YouTube.

1033
01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:49,560
It was really nice meeting you, too, Sean. I wanted to meet you when I heard that you were the one that picked this film.

1034
01:35:49,560 --> 01:35:56,560
So I just had to meet that person. Thanks for teaching us a lot about it. And I think that's great.

1035
01:35:56,560 --> 01:36:02,560
And for all Twin Cities listeners who enjoy movie trivia, I hope that you come down to film friends.

1036
01:36:02,560 --> 01:36:07,560
It's entirely self-produced movie trivia. The first Monday of every month.

1037
01:36:07,560 --> 01:36:12,560
It's in the Ox Tap Room at Indeed Brewery in Northeast Minneapolis free to play.

1038
01:36:12,560 --> 01:36:20,560
We have a Facebook page where I post a lot of trivia and hints and fun stuff going around in the Twin Cities that's film related.

1039
01:36:20,560 --> 01:36:27,560
You can also follow me on Instagram, see what I watch. I watch just an absolute insane amount of movies.

1040
01:36:27,560 --> 01:36:32,560
I think I've just under 100 movies watched in 25.

1041
01:36:32,560 --> 01:36:39,560
It's absolutely crazy. So I'm always watching something. My kids very a lot.

1042
01:36:39,560 --> 01:36:46,560
So thank you guys so much for having me. I'm excited to come back later in the season for Dracula's daughter.

1043
01:36:46,560 --> 01:36:52,560
I haven't seen that, but looking forward to it. And as always, it's so fun to talk to you guys.

1044
01:36:52,560 --> 01:36:58,560
You're all insightful. Thank you so much for teaching me stuff.

1045
01:36:58,560 --> 01:37:02,560
Thank you, Naomi and Sean. This is it's been a pleasure as always.

1046
01:37:02,560 --> 01:37:07,560
Really good conversation. And like like Naomi said, thank you, Sean, for bringing this to the podcast.

1047
01:37:07,560 --> 01:37:15,560
What a movie. And everybody, all you listeners will catch you next time on Camp Kaiju for Dracula's daughter.

1048
01:37:15,560 --> 01:37:23,560
So Naomi is going to join us back for that. And until then, please rate and review wherever you listen to Camp Kaiju.

1049
01:37:23,560 --> 01:37:31,560
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1050
01:37:31,560 --> 01:37:39,560
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1051
01:37:39,560 --> 01:37:44,560
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1052
01:37:44,560 --> 01:37:48,560
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1053
01:37:48,560 --> 01:37:54,560
Camp Kaiju is recorded in Minneapolis, St. Paul with Meanie's Mailbox music by Ben Cook Phelps.

1054
01:37:54,560 --> 01:37:58,560
Thank you, friends. Until next time, stay campy.

1055
01:37:58,560 --> 01:38:09,560
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1056
01:38:09,560 --> 01:38:12,560
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1057
01:38:12,560 --> 01:38:17,560
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1058
01:38:17,560 --> 01:38:19,560
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