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quote, as pissed off as he was when the she made it into this film.

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When the she hit the fan.

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It was a terrible pun. Sorry.

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I feel like you had been saving that one.

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but the opportunity arose, you know, I couldn't say no.

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Hello and welcome to Camp Kaiju Monster Movie Podcast.

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We're your hosts, Matt Levine and Vincent Hannum.

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And we're talking about all our favorite monster movies,

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The Good, The Bad and The Downright Campy, and asking if they stand the test of time.

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Traditional Kaiju creature features, space invaders, the supernatural

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and everything in between. All strange beasts are welcome here.

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Now, giant entertainment, giant terror.

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Monster Zero.

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Do you see anything?

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From a planet 50 million miles beyond the stars came a strange message.

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Lend us your Rodan and Godzilla to fight our Monster Zero.

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Earth answered.

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And the most dreaded creatures ever to walk our planet are lifted into outer space.

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The stage is set for the mightiest battle ever seen by the universe in Monster Zero.

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All forces on Earth ready to attack.

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What started out as a call for help from space

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turns into a nightmare of terror on Earth, Monster Zero.

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Vincent, it's good to see you again. How are you doing?

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So good. I have been thinking a lot about the beast from 20,000 Fast and Furious.

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I've been thinking a lot about the beast from 20,000 Fathoms

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since we recorded two weeks ago.

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It's just such a fun movie.

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It is. I've been thinking about it a lot, too.

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I think I gave it our highest rating when we recorded last time.

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It's so good.

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Same. I gave it the second to highest for the record, everybody.

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But I could ease it.

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I'm slow. If I were to rate this again, it might be a top tier.

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And I might have to invent a new tier, the fifth out of our four tiers

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for the beast 20,000 Fathoms.

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I'm just kidding. It maybe is not that much of a masterpiece,

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The movie that we're talking about tonight, Invasion of Astro Monster, is.

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So, you know, as we talk about, like recent things

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that have happened in the world of cinema, I feel like first of all,

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we have to say rest in peace to one of the best of all time, David Lynch.

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regrettable blind spot in my movie watching history.

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I I'm almost ashamed to say it.

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I have never seen a David Lynch film.

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Whoa. I don't even know where to start.

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If only, I mean, you love monster and horror movies so much.

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And he he's a great filmmaker and not without his flaws, certainly.

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Eraserhead, which is still my favorite and definitely has a monster in it.

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Lost Highway, so many great movies.

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Always have definitely on my watch list for sure.

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Awesome. Yeah. So, you know, rest in peace

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to one of the best creators of movie nightmares of all time.

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which I think was from 1992.

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I'm just, you know, disembodied ears, lots of weird surrealist things.

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What about you? Have you seen any good movie monster movies recently?

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Not a monster movie per se, but it deals with angels.

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Peter Falk plays a really great character.

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I think it's very beautiful.

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A lot of it is in black and white the last like half an hour, maybe is in color.

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Alice in the cities, Pina.

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So he's a great filmmaker and Wings of Desire is one of his best, I would say.

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when he brought up angels.

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It's like, why don't do it?

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I'm mostly kidding.

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I hate that movie a little bit more than I probably should.

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I mean, I was maybe a little harsh on it, but I don't need to revisit it.

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movie that I really liked the first Omen, which I wasn't sure if I was going to like it.

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devil horror movies in general, it's very, very good.

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I enjoyed it. I found it unsettling.

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I am not opposed to diving into that series a little bit more.

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So that's good to know. Yeah.

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So I feel like Camp Kaju adjacent.

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We don't get into too many demons yet on this show.

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Like we could do the exorcist, we could do the Omen.

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I think that mean possession movies are are there for the viewing.

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And maybe one day we'll get to them.

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It's a it's a very compelling and I think usually pretty frightening theme, in my opinion.

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Rosemary's Baby. Oh, maybe. Yeah.

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Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off there, but I get excited about Rosemary's Baby.

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maybe is my favorite horror movie of all time.

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It's like a it's a perfect film.

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Mia Farrow's fantastic.

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a masterpiece. I love that.

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He's one of a kind.

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I mean, not only that, you know, identifiably New York face

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I love it. And he's so dedicated.

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I have a lot to say about Nick Adams, but I won't get ahead of myself.

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we would love to perhaps feature your writing on our website.

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We're looking for more reviewers.

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Oh, just reach out to us. Camp Kaiju at Gmail dot com is the best place to do that.

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Let's just chat. Let's see if you're interested.

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And yeah, we'll see what's possible.

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So that's where we're coming from.

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Did you have anything in particular there?

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We we have dozens of downloads a week coming out of Oslo.

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I love to hear that.

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because I have to admit, I don't know a lot of them, but they might be featured soon.

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If there's others, please let us know.

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But got Trollhunter from Denmark, we have Reptilicus from Sweden.

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I know we have maybe let the right right one in.

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So, yeah, you know, we'll we love to shout out our our Scandinavian brethren.

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Yeah, we might have to do like a Scandinavian theme week or a theme month sometime soon.

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We'll see if that happens.

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But thank you to our listeners in Norway and, you know, wherever you are.

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Thank you to all of our listeners.

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We really appreciate it.

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Scandinavian or not.

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And again, a special thank you to our patrons.

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I just want to shout out Jason, Chris, Sean, Peggy and our anonymous patron.

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Thank you so much.

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Let's see what what has happened in the world of monster movies since we last recorded.

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Wolfman came out.

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Have you seen it yet?

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The remake. Did you know?

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Not yet. It got pretty bad reviews.

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It did. Yeah, I saw that.

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I'm still excited.

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You know, the Invisible Man remake also by Lee Wan-el, I thought was decent.

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There were some things I didn't like about it, but kind of an interesting update for the modern age.

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So I do want to see Wolfman, but maybe not expecting too much.

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And let's be honest, we're not here to to rate to judge a movie critically.

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We're going to just enjoy it one way or the other because it's a werewolf movie.

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It's a it's a universal werewolf movie.

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Yeah. Why not?

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Let's watch it.

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Indeed. And we just talked about the original Wolfman a couple of months ago, which is a fantastic movie.

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Yeah. Oscar nominations came out.

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Not surprisingly, not too many monster movies in there, although The Substance is definitely a monster movie and is absolutely worth seeing.

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It's a lot of fun and also has a very pointed thematic commentary about Hollywood and gender representation and so on.

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Yeah. And I see Nosferatu got a few nominations in production design, makeup and hair styling, costuming, which I think is totally warranted.

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Yeah. That was my favorite part of the movie.

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Just like the enriched world Eggers brought us into.

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Yep, for sure. Wicked got some nominations as well, which is maybe like Monster Movie adjacent a little bit.

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But yeah, I mean, as always, I love to hate the Oscars.

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I will definitely watch them in like a month and a half or whenever they are late February, I think.

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So, yeah, that's that's coming up.

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In terms of what came out around this time in Monster Movie history, speaking of, you know, early mid February around that time frame,

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I think we talked about a couple of these during our last episode.

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Is there anything else that you want to shout out in the movies that I have listed here?

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Well, it's one I added right at the end. It's called Two Lost Worlds from 1951.

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This is one of my favorite underrated you probably never heard of movies.

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It's named it stars James R. Ness from Gunsmoke and them and the thing from another world.

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But here he plays a pirate like a rogue dashing pirate swashbuckler in and and he with his crew and of course, a beauty damsel.

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They end up on an island of dinosaurs.

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So it's a pirate dinosaur movie. It's the only one I know of.

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It's it's dumb, but it's dumb fun. I would recommend.

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You had me at pirate dinosaur movies. I should have led with that.

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Cool. I mean, you know, it's sad. I've never even heard of that movie.

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I know. Well, I like I said, it's a deep cut.

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Yeah, totally. Yeah.

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Awesome. Two Lost Worlds. That that sounds great.

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The one that I want to shout out is In the Mouth of Madness from 1995.

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It's a John Carpenter movie.

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Some Carpenter fans, I think, would say it's maybe his last really good, really kind of like characteristic movie.

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I know that vampires and ghosts from Mars have some defenders, but yeah, in the Mouth of Madness, Sam Neill plays a writer like a horror writer who very quickly goes crazy, kind of just like goes off the deep end.

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It's a little bit Lovecraftian. So that's a great movie.

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Highly recommended. In the Mouth of Madness. If you're a John Carpenter fan.

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All right. And Sam Neill fan. Yeah. Who's I mean, he's also an event horizon, which is like he was in some good 90s horror movies slash sci fi movies.

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Of course, Jurassic Park being the most famous, but some others, too.

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And he's in the Omen three Damien's something or another. One more reason why I do want to go through that series.

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All right. This is a low key Omen episode. Turns out. Yeah, I didn't even know he was in that at all.

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It like it comes full circle on Camp Kaji. That's great.

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Do you want to mention a couple of upcoming releases as well? Zach Kregger's companion. He made Barbarian a couple of years ago.

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I'm pretty excited about that.

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Oz Perkins, who had kind of a hit with Long Legs last year, his movie The Monkeys coming out in about a month or so.

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And then Presence by Steven Soderbergh looks like a really unique ghost story.

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I think it's out in theaters now. I'm really excited to see that.

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Yeah, very interested in that. In February, we have on Camp Kaiju.

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We have Tusk 2014 horror film by Kevin Smith.

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I'm very excited to talk about that. And then our episode after that will be Dracula's Daughter, which I'm very excited to talk about as well.

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Indeed. Going back to some classic universal. Yeah. Yeah.

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But tonight, again, we're talking about Invasion of Astro Monster, the sixth Godzilla film.

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Vincent, what is your personal history with this movie? Oh, my goodness.

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Not a whole lot, not like a deep history, but I got this on a DVD in a collection maybe 10 years ago.

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And it had been the first time I had seen it.

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And I I instantly fell in love with the the world of this movie, the science fiction, the going out into outer space.

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Rodin makes an appearance. I'm wishing Mothra was there, but that's OK.

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And I just I go back to this one of every once in a while.

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It's just like a warm blanket. You know, I came home from work last week and I just couldn't wait to stay up late and throw this movie on.

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I have I have quibbles, of course, that I'll get to. But that's my history.

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I love that I saw it for the first time for this episode recording.

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Just watched a couple of days ago. I watched the Japanese language version and then most of the English dub.

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Not all of it, though. Yeah.

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So I came to this totally fresh. I was really excited about it because I love the door, the three headed monster, which was the previous Godzilla movie.

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I don't think Invasion of Astro Monster lives up to those heights that I was expecting, but we'll talk more about that soon.

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The war of the gargantuan.

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It began with a mysterious wild storm at sea.

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And before the night was over, the whole world would hear of the terror of the gargantuan.

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Where had such a monster come from?

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What forces created such a devastating destroyer?

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Who or what could stand up to it?

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Army fought the monster with million volt laser beam.

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Hey, look, another one.

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You'll see all of their terrifying battle to the death when you come to the greatest monster movies ever made.

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A war of the gargantuan and Monster Zero.

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A great Godzilla blazing a trail of terror to his Japanese homeland.

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Captain, water in the counting tower.

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Godzilla!

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Glory defiance to the only enemy on earth strong enough to challenge him.

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The uncomfortable King Kong, giant gorilla god of this South Seas paradise, where sensuous maintenance offer themselves in ritual sacrifice to his pre-deb race.

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Godzilla has a brain about this size.

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He is sheer brute force.

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While Kong is a thinking animal.

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His brain is considerably larger.

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About ten times the size of this gorilla's skull.

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Being instinctive rivals, there is no doubt that they will attempt to destroy one another.

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King Kong versus Godzilla, heading for their colossal collision.

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From the ocean's unfathomable depths, a gigantic man-like creature appears.

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From the fiery depths of the earth comes a prehistoric mastodon of destruction.

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Never before has the screen known such heart-stopping terror.

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Starring Nick Adams.

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I feel he's very important from a scientific point of view.

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I'd have to cut off a leg or an arm.

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Doctors, I won't let you conduct this test.

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Frankenstein, with the strength of a thousand men.

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And every man's need for affection that makes him a willing captive.

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The chain hurts you.

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The new scope of the century.

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First, perhaps we'll dive into the cast and crew of the film.

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Which is kind of fun because it's sort of like, you know, all the OGs kind of are like in Invasion of Astro Monster, like involved in some way.

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Starting with the director, Ishiro Honda, director of the original Godzilla, not to mention many of the ensuing Kaiju films.

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Rodan, the Mysterians, Battle in Outer Space, Mothra, King Kong versus Godzilla, Mothra versus Godzilla, Ghidorah the Three-Headed Monster, so on and so forth.

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Really, you know, I mean, the producer who we'll talk about soon is kind of seen as one of the co-creators of Godzilla.

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But for my money, Ishiro Honda is kind of the creator of Godzilla.

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So he's back and the directors share for this film.

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Special Effects by Eiji Tsuburaya, creator of the Special Effects for, I think, all of those movies you just mentioned that were directed by Honda.

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And he would later go on and found Tsuburaya Productions and create Ultraman for television.

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And just another legend in the creation of special effects, the Suitmation, the model work of the cities.

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And he's back doing some top notch work here for Toho's film.

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Totally. His assistant on this movie, Teru Yoshi Nakano, was also assistant on many of the films that we mentioned above.

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He would become the lead special effects director on 1969's All Monsters Attack.

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Just wanted to shout him out here as well.

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Yeah, that's important to note, too, because as the Showa era continues, you'll realize that Astro Monster is kind of a high watermark in the original series.

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Because the seventh film after this, new director, new composer, and I believe it is Nakano, Tsuburaya's assistant here, who ends up taking lead on the special effects.

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So, yeah, he he'll come back in future installments.

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But as we'll talk about, Astro Monster is sort of the last hurrah for a while.

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Interesting. And I have some criticisms of the special effects even in this movie.

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So we'll talk about that soon.

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All right. Shinichi Sekizawa, again, another fan favorite here.

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He had previously written Mothra versus Godzilla, Gidra, the three headed monster, Mothra, King Kong.

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He or sorry, King Kong versus Godzilla. Battle in outer space.

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The list goes on. Sekizawa. It's so great, Matt, that like now that we've talked about so many of these 60s Godzilla movies, I know Sekizawa's like filmography.

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I can just talk about him now. I know his style.

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He's known for a slightly more comedic bent, maybe not like laugh out loud funny, but there's a sense of humor, let's say, to his screenplays.

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So I just I like that. I like seeing these names pop up again.

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And now that I have some familiarity with them. Yeah, I definitely know what you mean.

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I'm not quite at that point yet.

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You're definitely more knowledgeable about like, you know, the Toho Toho films in particular and just kind of about Kaiju films in general than I am.

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But but I'm starting to recognize these names and like the aesthetics that they bring to the work that they do.

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And I it's very easy to see what you mean about Sekizawa kind of having a more comedic, maybe light hearted approach to some of these screenplays.

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To be honest, it's not like my personal preference.

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I kind of gravitate towards like a darker and more like a menacing approach.

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But I do love Ghidorah, the three headed monster.

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And there's some really fun stuff in this movie as well, of course.

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Yeah, totally. I think that that is a criticism that I think is fair.

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Like, man, this movie is so much fun and it has some themes, some important themes, because you know, Honda, he wants to dig into these things.

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He wants to make 54 Godzilla all the time. He has no sense of humor.

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Well, pretty close, maybe. Yeah, I know. I exaggerate.

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But my point is, had the screenwriter been willing to like dig into the stakes a little bit more of what's going on?

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I think you could have more movies on par with the 54 Godzilla or the first Rodin film.

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I think that's fair. Yeah, totally. Yep.

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Which, again, we'll get into a little bit more pretty soon here.

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But just to kind of round out the crew here a little bit.

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Invasion of Astro Monster was mostly co-produced by two producers, Tomoyuki Tanaka of Toho Studios, one of the co-creators of Godzilla.

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He was around from the very start from 1954's Godzilla.

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This movie, though, was also co-produced by United Productions of America, or UPA, which had a producer named Henry Saperstein who was involved with this film from the very start.

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He also was involved with Frankenstein Conquers the World, I believe. Is that right? Right.

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And War of the Gargantuas, a movie I'm dying to bring to the podcast.

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Yeah, Saperstein is really interesting. And Matt, I'm pulling all this information from that interview I sent you.

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And listeners, this is all I'll share it in the show notes.

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But Godzilla Kaiju writer Steve Reifel interviews the daughters of Nick Adams and Henry Saperstein.

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Pat Saperstein and Allison Adams.

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And it's really a 40 minute interview. Saperstein and Adams are reminiscing about their fathers.

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Their fathers work with Toho in the 60s and shedding some really nice insights.

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So Saperstein, for instance, he was I didn't know this.

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He was really instrumental in bringing these movies to the Western markets, to the United States, and selling them to the television studios.

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And he was really big into merchandising.

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And in a way, you can credit the exposure for Godzilla in the West largely to a lot of what he did as a businessman.

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Just understanding that there's a market for these characters and let's let's sell it, baby. Let's go.

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I just think that's pretty cool. Yeah, for sure. Yeah.

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That interview that you send me is really fascinating.

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And, you know, my main takeaway, not so overgeneralized too much, but it seems like Saperstein and Adams, Nick Adams, both really, you know, they didn't look down on this work.

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They had a lot of fun doing it. They could see the appeal and the kind of like imagination, the excitement, the entertainment behind it.

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There was no like, you know, of course, there's a profit motive as there always is in the industry.

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But they seem to really love this work and enjoyed being part of it.

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Yeah. And later on, I have some quotes out of a book by Steve Reifel and Ed Gostewski.

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Can't see it, Matt, but it's the Ishiro Honda biography I have.

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And they detail some of the production experiences Honda had with Nick Adams in particular.

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So a lot of positive stuff in here about about those two.

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Cool. I might have to borrow that book from you someday because I'm dying to read it.

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Absolutely. Yeah, it's pretty great. Cool.

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I'll just round out the crew here real quick and then we'll go into the cast.

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The cinematography for Invasion of Astro Monster is by Hajime Koizumi and the music by the one and only, again, OG Akira Ifukube, one of my favorite composers of all time for movies.

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Just outstanding. Yeah.

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But let's let's dive into the cast of the film.

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I you've talked about Nick Adams before you mentioned earlier already in this recording that you're a big fan.

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Do you want to talk about him a little bit?

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And how? I'll try to keep it brief, I guess.

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Nick Adams plays astronaut Glenn in this movie.

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Nick Adams had been a rising young movie star in the 1950s.

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He has a bit part in Rebel Without a Cause.

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He was nominated for an Oscar in 1963.

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And so he was he was big news.

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He was a star of a television show, Johnny Yuma.

441
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:34,280
I personally have never seen it, but it was a big deal at the time.

442
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:40,280
But by the mid 60s, his star was on the wane and he was in his mid 30s by this point.

443
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:48,280
And Saperstein worked out this production deal with Toho behind some Kaiju films.

444
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,280
Godzilla Frank Frankenstein conquers the world.

445
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,280
Astro Monster and gargantuan in particular.

446
00:33:54,280 --> 00:34:02,280
And Saperstein tapped movie stars who were on the decline to star in these movies.

447
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:08,280
So Nick Adams does star in Astro Monster and Frankenstein conquers the world.

448
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:20,280
And he was really loved on set like, again, going back to that interview I sent you and what the authors detail in the Honda biography.

449
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,280
Nick Adams was universally loved on the set.

450
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:27,280
He brought a real go get him attitude.

451
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,280
He was disciplined. He had an enthusiasm.

452
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:34,280
And like you said, he didn't look down on these movies.

453
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:39,280
He and you could tell I think his screen presence, he's having a lot of fun.

454
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:45,280
I'm not saying he's James Dean up there, but you could tell he's having fun.

455
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,280
And I think that translates to the audience having so much fun.

456
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,280
So I appreciate that. I love that.

457
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:58,280
And I want a quick shout out one more Nick Adams genre film called Die Monster Die.

458
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:03,280
He starred in this movie. It was a British production with Boris Karloff.

459
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,280
It's based on Lovecraft's Colorado space.

460
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,280
So it's like a weird horror movie.

461
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,280
If you can find this movie, I have and it's worth it.

462
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:19,280
And Nick Adams is being Nick Adams, but he's also with Boris Karloff.

463
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:23,280
It's the best.

464
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,280
That sounds amazing. Is that like late 1960s?

465
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,280
Mid 65, 66.

466
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:34,280
That brings me to another personal note for Nick Adams.

467
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:38,280
He did die tragically young, actually.

468
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:45,280
In 1968, it was a pill overdose.

469
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,280
I don't think it was I don't think it was ruled a suicide.

470
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:53,280
Just kind of like a mysterious situation.

471
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:57,280
But coincidentally, he died on February 7th,

472
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:02,280
which if you're listening to this episode when it drops on February 8th,

473
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,280
it's the anniversary of his death.

474
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:10,280
So we'll pour one out for Nick Adams.

475
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,280
Totally.

476
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:19,280
Rest in peace to like, you know, one of the best like crossover presences in the Toho Godzilla franchise.

477
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,280
You know what I mean? Like global diplomacy a little bit.

478
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,280
You know? Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

479
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:29,280
And like you say, like he's so funny because he's he's a New Yorker and he talks like that.

480
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:36,280
And that's interesting because depending on what you watch, the sub or the dub version of this film,

481
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:41,280
you either lose out on his accent or you really get to appreciate it.

482
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,280
This is like the first time they had tried it.

483
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:49,280
They wrote the screenplay in two languages in Japanese and English,

484
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:54,280
because Nick Adams did not speak Japanese and his co-stars mostly didn't speak English.

485
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:59,280
So Honda had basically filmed.

486
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:06,280
He filmed the scene with Nick Adams saying his lines in English and the Japanese actor saying their lines in Japanese.

487
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,280
So they didn't understand the words they were saying to each other.

488
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:15,280
But a testament to their acting, they still knew how to act the scene.

489
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:22,280
And this was a process that they would then the Toho would then go on to utilize in subsequent films.

490
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:30,280
Yeah, totally. And, you know, in the English dubbed version, Nick Adams' voice is actually on the soundtrack

491
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,280
and all the other characters are, of course, overdubbed by other actors.

492
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:41,280
And in the Japanese version, I think Nick Adams is the only one who is, you know, we don't hear his voice in the soundtrack, but the other actors we do.

493
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:49,280
And that's like I think that was kind of a common practice, especially among like spaghetti westerns of like the 60s and 70s,

494
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:55,280
where you would have like multinational casts where like one actor would be speaking Italian, another French, another German, another English,

495
00:37:55,280 --> 00:38:01,280
like maybe sometimes all in the same scene, which must have been, to your point, Vincent, like really difficult for the actors.

496
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,280
But, you know, in a lot of cases, they make it work.

497
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:11,280
And like, you know, in this particular case, testament to the cast to like play off of each other so well,

498
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:19,280
which I think Nick Adams and Akira Takarada, who we'll talk about soon, they do play off of each other really well.

499
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:31,280
Yeah, they have. I think they have a lot of great chemistry that I think, again, really, really translates to the to your viewing pleasure of this film.

500
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,280
Yeah. Yeah.

501
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:38,280
It's you know, it's always maybe this isn't the right time to talk about this, but I don't know.

502
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:46,280
It's cool to hear if people prefer watching the Japanese subtitled version, like, you know, Japanese language, English subtitled version or the English dubbed version.

503
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,280
Like, I feel like both have their own pleasures.

504
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,280
I like to hear the original Japanese dialogue.

505
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:57,280
But at the same time, like there's something charming about the English dubbed version.

506
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,280
And, you know, obviously you don't have to read the subtitles.

507
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,280
Maybe you can focus on the image a little bit more.

508
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:05,280
So if you have the time, I feel like it's worth it to watch both versions, you know.

509
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,280
I agree. And I think I usually just go back and forth.

510
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,280
I had watched the subtitled version so often.

511
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,280
I was like, you know, let me watch the dubbed.

512
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,280
I don't want to read tonight. Yeah.

513
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,280
And then I had Nick Adams's voice.

514
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,280
It is Brooklynese dialect.

515
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,280
I was like, this is awesome. This is great.

516
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,280
I will always watch this for sure.

517
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,280
Yeah. Some of his dialogue delivery is awesome.

518
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:32,280
And his like Brooklyn accent, which we'll probably talk about more.

519
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:36,280
So, yeah, I mean, you know, it's a good point that he died on February 7th.

520
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,280
This is a great opportunity to commemorate Nick Adams.

521
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,280
Such a unique presence in Kaiju film history.

522
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,280
Mm hmm. Don't forget.

523
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,280
I've got a surprise little game coming up for us. Yes.

524
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,280
But you'll have to wait, listeners, till after the break.

525
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,280
Ooh, all right. I can't wait myself.

526
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,280
See what happens.

527
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:01,280
We'll talk briefly about the rest of the cast here as well.

528
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:07,280
So Invasion of Astro Monsters stars Akira Takarada as Kazuo, another astronaut.

529
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,280
Of course, Japanese character.

530
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,280
We'll talk a little bit more about that later.

531
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,280
Why one is Japanese and one is American.

532
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,280
But Takarada also was in a lot of Kaiju films.

533
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:21,280
Godzilla, Mothra versus Godzilla, so on and so forth.

534
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:27,280
Kumi Mizuno plays Miss Namikawa, who is Nick Adams love interest in the film.

535
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:32,280
She was also in Frankenstein Conquers the World, Godzilla versus the sea monster.

536
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:36,280
Of course, she co-starred with Adams in Frankenstein Conquers the World as well.

537
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,280
So there's a little bit of overlap there.

538
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:42,280
Film stars Keiko Sawai as Haruno, Kazuo's sister.

539
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:46,280
She works for the World Space Agency in the film.

540
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:50,280
I couldn't really find a lot of information about her, but I like her presence in this movie a lot.

541
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,280
I think she's really great, very charismatic.

542
00:40:52,280 --> 00:41:05,280
Yep. Yes, she gives maybe a stereotype busting role as a female in very male dominated workplace culture in Japan at the time.

543
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:11,280
She's willing to just to push back gently against her male supervisors.

544
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:19,280
Yeah. Yeah, because her brother is like very domineering and does not approve of her engagement.

545
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,280
This is a good time to bring this up.

546
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:26,280
In the film, she is engaged to Tetsuo played by Akira Kubo.

547
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:32,280
Tetsuo is kind of like a mild mannered inventor who has not really done very well for himself in life so far.

548
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:37,280
So Kazuo is kind of against their impending marriage.

549
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:43,280
But, you know, it's an interesting kind of like dynamic intention among their characters.

550
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,280
Maybe it's resolved a little bit too easily in the film.

551
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:51,280
But for a while I do kind of like their their conflict between those three characters.

552
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:59,280
Yeah. And I think Tetsuo, the character played by Akira Kubo, he is like the Sekizawa.

553
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,280
He's the type of character Sekizawa likes to write.

554
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:08,280
He's the comedic relief. He's like a little befuddled, bumbling, bespectal.

555
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,280
He wears glasses.

556
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:16,280
That's me just giving up on the big words.

557
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:20,280
Yeah. He's kind of like the absent mind professor a little bit, you know?

558
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,280
Yeah. Yeah.

559
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:28,280
Indeed. And Akira Kubo plays that role very well.

560
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:37,280
He also is in or would go on to be in Son of Godzilla, Destroy All Monsters, Space Amoeba, and Gamera, Guardian of the Universe from 1995.

561
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,280
So the later version of that.

562
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:45,280
Yeah, but he's a he's a good comedic presence here for sure.

563
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:49,280
Did you want to talk about any of the other cast members in the film?

564
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:53,280
I think the other big one just to touch on is Yoshio Tsuchiya.

565
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:58,280
He's the leader of the Planet X, the Xillions, the Xillions.

566
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:02,280
And he appeared in Kurosawa films like Seven Samurai and Redbeard.

567
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,280
The actor himself had a fascination with UFOs.

568
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,280
He even wrote some books on the subject.

569
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,280
And he loved playing aliens in movies.

570
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:16,280
Again, I think like Nick Adams, just have fun with these movies.

571
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:17,280
Yeah.

572
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,280
You don't have to take everything so seriously.

573
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:24,280
But then in having fun with it, you come off sincere and genuine.

574
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,280
I think you do end up giving a good performance.

575
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:36,280
Exactly. And I think that's why these movies, you know, stand well to be determined, but stand the test of time and are so beloved by so many people, you know?

576
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:37,280
Yeah.

577
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:41,280
Okay. One other thing about Tsuchiya.

578
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:51,280
He actually recommended to Tsuburaya to include the Shie dance for Godzilla after he vanquishes Gidra in their first fight.

579
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:52,280
Some quick background on this.

580
00:43:52,280 --> 00:44:02,280
This happens to be a very infamous moment in the Godzilla franchise when Godzilla jumps up and down and does a little dance of victory.

581
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,280
You think, why is that such a big deal?

582
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:13,280
But this is what we're talking about. We're getting away from Honda's like serious foreboding vision and we're making Godzilla more kid centric.

583
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,280
He's dancing.

584
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,280
He was talking in the previous movie.

585
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,280
It's like what's happening to Honda's vision.

586
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,280
But it was a popular dance.

587
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,280
It's called the Shie.

588
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,280
It was very popular in the 1960s in Japan.

589
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:39,280
It was a trademark of a manga character, Osomatsu-kun, and Tsuburaya had no reservations and he put it in there.

590
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,280
Apparently Honda didn't even know about it.

591
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:57,280
And I'll tell you again, referencing my Honda biography, according to Honda's son, he had never seen his father, quote, as pissed off as he was when the Shie made it into this film.

592
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,280
When the Shie hit the fan.

593
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:04,280
It was a terrible pun.

594
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:05,280
Sorry.

595
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,280
I feel like you had been saving that one.

596
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:12,280
You delivered it so like, oh, this is my moment.

597
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:16,280
I didn't think about it until like 10 seconds ago, but the opportunity arose.

598
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:20,280
You know, I couldn't say no.

599
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:24,280
But it's kind of easy to imagine Honda being so pissed off about that.

600
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:30,280
Like, you know, like you alluded to before, the original 1954 Godzilla is pretty serious.

601
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,280
It has like very, you know, kind of dark pessimistic themes.

602
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:39,280
And like 11 years later, Godzilla is doing this funny little dance on Planet X.

603
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:43,280
Like, I can understand how he would be a little bit dismayed about that.

604
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:44,280
Yeah.

605
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:49,280
And yeah, it'd be like, I don't know, Godzilla doing a.

606
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:55,280
I was going to say a floss, but that's not even hip anymore, but like a floss move.

607
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,280
You're like, what?

608
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:58,280
Yeah. Where did this come from?

609
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,280
How would you? Yeah.

610
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,280
Yeah. So that's kind of the equivalent.

611
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:09,280
Totally. And I think the actor in the Godzilla suit, Haruo Nakajima, also did not like the idea.

612
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,280
He didn't want to do it, but he was directed to do so.

613
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:13,280
So we did.

614
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:19,280
Controversial moments, to your point in Godzilla film history.

615
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:23,280
Another story I think is kind of funny about Yoshio Tsuchiya.

616
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:29,280
He was in Seven Samurai, like you said before, Vincent, but he wanted to be in Godzilla instead.

617
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:34,280
And he was kind of like whenever they were shooting on the same studios, like Toho Studios.

618
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:42,280
So like the actor would go to the Godzilla set instead of the Seven Samurai set because he was like he wanted to be in that movie.

619
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:47,280
And he was like, you know, I'm in this Kurosawa movie, but I got to be in the next Godzilla film.

620
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:51,280
Like, that's what I really want to do, which I mean, Seven Samurai is an all time classic.

621
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,280
Of course, Godzilla is as well.

622
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,280
But I just think that's a funny story.

623
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:57,280
That's so yeah, I love it.

624
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:01,280
He should be on our podcast talking about UFOs.

625
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:05,280
If only I'm fairly sure he's not alive anymore.

626
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:11,280
But if, you know, if his spirit can join us someday, well, we should make that happen.

627
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,280
If you hear us, please join us.

628
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:19,280
Yeah, the spirit of Peter Lorre will communicate with you to make this happen.

629
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:24,280
Oh, all right, Peter, get on it.

630
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:29,280
All right. Let's let's dive into the production backstory of Invasion of Astro Monster a little bit.

631
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:36,280
So this was the sixth film in the Godzilla franchise right after Ghidorah, the three headed monster.

632
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:43,280
Japanese American co-production between Toho Studios and UPA or United Productions of America.

633
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:51,280
So in the 1960s, producer Henry Saperstein of UPA was asked to acquire monster movies to distribute in North America.

634
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,280
Vincent, you were talking about this a little bit before.

635
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:59,280
So this was the first film that Saperstein was heavily involved with from the very beginning.

636
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:04,280
I think he had a little bit to do with the was it Frankenstein Conquers the World?

637
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:10,280
Mm hmm. Yeah. But this was the first one where he was involved from the start.

638
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:20,280
UPA provided 50 percent of the funding for the film and Saperstein encouraged screenwriter Sekizawa to, you know, try to get into the action a little bit more quickly.

639
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:28,280
He didn't want to have all these kind of like government press conferences when like a kind of long prologue before we get to the monsters.

640
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:33,280
I have my own complaints about that, but I'll save that for later in the episode.

641
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:44,280
And it was also Saperstein's idea to incorporate the alien invasion theme, which some Toho Studios sci fi films had done in the past, but not really so much in the Godzilla films.

642
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:48,280
It's a little bit in Ghidorah, the three headed monster, but maybe not so much.

643
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,280
Yeah, it's part of the legacy a little bit.

644
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:55,280
This is the first Godzilla movie to incorporate those themes.

645
00:48:55,280 --> 00:49:11,280
Not well, there was aliens in Ghidorah, the three headed monster, but in Astro Monster, the Kaiju themselves are brainwashed, their mind controlled to destroy the earth, which is something we will see in future installments.

646
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:22,280
Yeah. And, you know, a lot of invasion of Astro Monster is set in outer space, which I don't think you do are the three headed monster, maybe extremely briefly, but not very much.

647
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,280
I don't think so. Yeah.

648
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:29,280
So that's a new direction for the franchise for better or worse.

649
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:44,280
Saperstein also wanted to cast an American actor, like we said before, Nick Adams was just the right level of famous and affordability for Saperstein.

650
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,280
And it worked out perfectly.

651
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:56,280
He you know, in some ways he is as famous now as he ever was because he said, yes, let's go make some monster movies.

652
00:49:56,280 --> 00:50:00,280
Yeah. And we love him for it. Yeah.

653
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:13,280
So another thing that kind of like exhibits the participation of an American company is the design of the P-1 rocket and the astronaut suits in the film, which were based on NASA's project Gemini missions.

654
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:23,280
So it's fairly easy to see that, you know, this very much is a Japanese American co-production to a greater extent than any of the Godzilla movies that had come before.

655
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:36,280
And I think that's in line with the burgeoning popularity of these kind of space adventures in the 60s, particularly both in Japan and in the United States.

656
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:45,280
And kind of going along with the kind of friendlier, more comedic, lighthearted tone that we've already talked about, we also have a new Godzilla suit in the film.

657
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:49,280
The Godzilla suit was made by Taizo Toshimitsu.

658
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:54,280
It has larger eyes and less pronounced dorsal fins, which lead to a friendlier look.

659
00:50:54,280 --> 00:51:07,280
I can't remember the next time after this that the Godzilla suit would be redesigned, but I think it would kind of go more in this direction, at least for a while, that we see sort of like a friendlier, more cartoonish version of Godzilla.

660
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:14,280
Yeah, rounder features, softer features. Yeah. Yeah.

661
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:24,280
The budget was less this time around. So the special effects were a little shoddier and the model work was the same.

662
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:33,280
And there is some recycled footage in this movie from previous films Rodan, Mothra and Gich with the three headed monster.

663
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:42,280
This was also the first for the Godzilla franchise, the use of stock footage for better or worse, as we'll say.

664
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:46,280
Yeah. Yeah. There's a there's a there's a quote you included here, Matt.

665
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:53,280
Honda regretted these budget cuts and quote said, it's no wonder we could not make anything good around that period.

666
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:59,280
It's a sad story because he knew he said that audiences would notice this footage.

667
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:05,280
And I don't know, it sounds like Honda had mixed feelings about this production.

668
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:13,280
Certainly. And I wish I could remember offhand, but did Honda direct the next couple movies in the series?

669
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:17,280
I don't think he did, did he? Or he directed the next one. No, he did not. Oh, OK.

670
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:21,280
Oh, you mentioned that before. I'm sorry. He did not direct the next two.

671
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:28,280
He would come back for all monsters attack and Godzilla's revenge.

672
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:35,280
And then he'd go away for a few movies and then he wouldn't come back till terror of MechaGodzilla.

673
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:40,280
Wow. I'm very impressed, first of all, that you know that just off the top of your head. That's awesome.

674
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:47,280
But it also kind of makes sense if he was like not feeling great about the series that he would take some time away after this film.

675
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:56,280
Yeah. You know, Matt, maybe maybe not everyone know this, but I I I got my movie titles mixed up just then.

676
00:52:56,280 --> 00:53:02,280
So I'm not 100 percent perfect. Godzilla's revenge is the same as all monsters attack.

677
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:08,280
I meant to say destroy all monsters and all monsters attack.

678
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:12,280
That was just a test to see if any of the listeners picked up on that.

679
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:18,280
Yes, I plead forgiveness listeners.

680
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:22,280
I'm still impressed personally.

681
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:27,280
And then, you know, like when Honda says it's no wonder we could not make anything good around that period.

682
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:32,280
I love Gidor, the three headed monster. That's my second favorite Godzilla movie after the first one.

683
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:37,280
So I personally would disagree with that statement, but he's closer to it, of course.

684
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:45,280
So, you know, has his own perspective. Yeah, I agree. I agree. Love that movie, too. Yeah.

685
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:53,280
In any case, Invasion of Astro Monster came out in Japan on December 19th, 1965 to mixed reviews.

686
00:53:53,280 --> 00:54:01,280
I think some critics maybe did not like the direction that the franchise was going in, sort of like we've already talked about.

687
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:10,280
This was the tenth highest grossing Japanese film of the year, which doesn't seem terrible, but is not quite at the same heights as previous Godzilla movies.

688
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:17,280
And, you know, this would be the last Showa era film to crack the top 10. Wow. I did not know that.

689
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:30,280
Yeah. Yeah. When you get into the movies after this, which we haven't really on Camp Kaiju, but the overarching theme is where the studio is hemorrhaging money.

690
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:44,280
You can't compete with TV, cut budgets, cut budgets. And that's why Godzilla just kind of becomes more Saturday matinee type of entertainment.

691
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:54,280
Yeah. Like I think of the few, you know, Godzilla movies from this era, but a little bit later that we've talked about on the podcast, like Son of Godzilla and Terror of Mechagodzilla,

692
00:54:54,280 --> 00:55:02,280
neither of which are my favorites. And it's easy to see that. And like some of the later, I think it's the Heisei era, right? That starts in 1984.

693
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:08,280
Yeah. From what I've seen, those movies generally are pretty awesome. I love what I've seen from that era.

694
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:16,280
But there does kind of seem to be this stretch of like the 60s and 70s, late 60s and 70s, where personally not my favorites.

695
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:27,280
But, you know, totally. And there's some weird gems in there, too. I got to tell you, future, future Camp Kaiju episodes, 100 percent, which I cannot wait to discover.

696
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:31,280
They get. Yeah. Yeah. It gets weird.

697
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:35,280
Weird is good, I think.

698
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:48,280
The American version of Invasion of Astro Monster, which was called Monster Zero, was not released in the United States until July 1970 by Marin Films on a double bill with War of the Gargantuas.

699
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:53,280
It grossed three million dollars on its initial run in the United States.

700
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:57,280
So that's a period of five years in between the Japanese and the American release.

701
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:05,280
From the research that I did, admittedly not extremely extensive research, they're kind of like conflicting accounts for that.

702
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:19,280
Some people say that, well, Saperstein said that there was a lot of like re-recording that had to be done, a lot of like re-edits, sound design, things like that, that accounted for that five year delay.

703
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:27,280
There were some other reports saying that UPA just didn't have a lot of faith in monster movies or in this one in particular and kind of shelved it for five years.

704
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:35,280
So I don't know if there's a definitive reason for that delay, but in any case, five years later, it came out in the United States.

705
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:39,280
Yeah. Interesting.

706
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:43,280
This might be a good time for a sponsor break. Yeah, let's do it.

707
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:49,280
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708
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712
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:16,280
Vincent, do we have any messages from Menia's mailbox?

713
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:20,280
Yeah, we've got a fun one today, everybody.

714
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,280
A bit of a story here.

715
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:25,280
So this comes from a former student of mine.

716
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:38,280
His name is Monty and Monty keeps in touch with a coworker of mine and he texted her and then she showed me this text from Monty.

717
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:42,280
Monty, if you're listening, text me back.

718
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:55,280
He says, Could you tell Hannam, aka Ham Ham, that the Godzilla minus one episode of his podcast was goated and the Godzilla samples were great additions.

719
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:58,280
Thanks.

720
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,280
They are. Yeah.

721
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:09,280
Thank you, Monty. I love anytime someone calls our our podcast goaded.

722
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,280
I'm presuming that's like the goat.

723
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,280
Yeah. Greatest of all time. Yeah.

724
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:18,280
That's awesome.

725
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:20,280
Thank you, Monty.

726
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:29,280
Yeah. Thanks for listening, bud, and hope you're well.

727
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:33,280
Matt, is that someone by the door looking in your window?

728
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:35,280
Is it like a little squat?

729
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:38,280
German looking fella with. Oh my God.

730
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:39,280
Bowl cut.

731
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:42,280
I think it might be. I think so.

732
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:45,280
Oh, he's in he's in the room behind you.

733
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,280
And I'm.

734
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,280
Hello, Matthew. Oh my God, Peter.

735
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:53,280
Hi, I just don't mind me.

736
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:58,280
I'm I gotta get to the bucket of fish heads in the in the refrigerator.

737
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,280
We forgot to feed you. I'm so sorry, man.

738
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:11,280
That's OK. Now I can leave the podcasting booth so I can just help myself come and go maybe in the middle of the night when you're when you're when you're fast asleep.

739
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:18,280
I'll try not to disturb you, but just know that I'll be creeping around.

740
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:23,280
Well, I'm probably not going to sleep at all tonight if I think about you creeping around my bedroom in the middle of the night.

741
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:26,280
But, you know, it's cool. You're welcome. You can come in.

742
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:36,280
Well, believe me, Matthew, I am not as scary as some of these poverty real picture show movies that that that I'll be talking about tonight or today.

743
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:45,280
This week, I'll be talking about the ape from monogram, a truly fiendish film starring Boris Karloff from 1940.

744
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:49,280
But but I've got to get back to my booth now and and get ready to record.

745
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:54,280
And and I got a munch on these these fish heads.

746
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:59,280
Well, I can't wait to hear a Peter. Good luck. It's going to be amazing as always.

747
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:04,280
OK, goodbye. I was good. Siknyd. Goodbye.

748
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:07,280
You got to meet him. There he was. Yeah, yeah.

749
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:10,280
He kind of startled me a little bit, but you know, it happens.

750
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:13,280
So I didn't know you like you gave him the key or like what?

751
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:22,280
I didn't know. Yeah, I'm a little unsettled right now. I don't know how he got into my apartment, but you know, it's cool.

752
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:26,280
He's I guess he's he's a welcome guest from now on.

753
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:29,280
All right. That's it. You're living with Peter Laurie.

754
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:33,280
Yeah, it's going to be the name of my autobiography.

755
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:39,280
That's good. OK, well, you know, we got some more fun coming up, everybody.

756
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:47,280
After Peter Laurie talks with the poverty real picture show, we're going to come up to my fun little game here.

757
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:57,280
Welcome to poverty, world studios on the other side of Hollywood, where the stars were dimmer and the red carpet stripped with blood.

758
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:08,280
Together, we will watch the best of the worst movies known for their limited budgets, outlandish concepts and questionable performances.

759
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:15,280
But with enough haunted houses, zombies, ape men and devils bats to keep you open night.

760
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:23,280
This is the poverty real picture show, and I dare you to sleep through these nightmares.

761
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:34,280
Oh, oh, listeners. Oh, my goodness.

762
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:38,280
If you've ever tasted Manthew's fish heads, you know what?

763
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:48,380
the delicacy I have here. He is really a swell guy for taking me in the way he has. I tell

764
01:01:48,380 --> 01:01:55,400
you I have come a long way since the imprisonment I suffered last season. I tell you these fish

765
01:01:55,400 --> 01:02:05,580
heads. Alright, enough monkey business. Let's get to The Ape starring Boris Karloff.

766
01:02:05,580 --> 01:02:13,240
This film from Monogram Pictures stars the legend in his only poverty rose outing. Karloff

767
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:18,880
had just starred in the previous years' Song of Frankenstein with Universal and his star

768
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:25,560
was bigger than ever. In The Ape, Karloff plays a seemingly innocent doctor who is searching

769
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:32,240
for a cure for polio. However, a gorilla has recently escaped the circus and begins murdering

770
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:40,400
the townsfolk. Karloff's doctor then uses the spinal fluid from these victims to complete

771
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:47,680
the life-saving medicine. Karloff and the gorilla are truly a dastardly duo until the

772
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:53,400
finale's shocking twist. It will put you over a barrel of monkeys if you see this.

773
01:02:53,400 --> 01:03:01,120
It is so bananas. Now, The Ape is no King Kong, but it does offer plenty of campiness to make

774
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:08,760
it worth your while and Karloff rises above the material with a subdued yet sincere performance.

775
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:15,320
He leaves all the absurdity to The Ape here played by Ray Carrigan, an actor we will see

776
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:22,200
again play the part of a fiendish killer gorilla, an entire genre popular with the poverty rose

777
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:29,000
studios. The screenplay for The Ape was co-written by screenwriter Kurt Siodmak who was just

778
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:34,340
getting started in Hollywood, but after The Ape he would make a name for himself writing

779
01:03:34,340 --> 01:03:42,720
The Wolf Man, I Walked with a Zombie, Donovan's Brain, and all their classics. Well, as for

780
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:50,760
The Ape, I guess we all have to start somewhere. Next time on the poverty row picture show,

781
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:55,560
we now turn our attention to the skies and cover our necks from the impending attack

782
01:03:55,560 --> 01:04:02,580
of The Devil Bat, a Bela Lugosi movie from PRC that makes The Ape look like a nominee

783
01:04:02,580 --> 01:04:08,480
for best picture. Yes, yes listeners, keep hanging in there and you will witness some

784
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:16,280
truly batty filmmaking when a rat with wings is turned into a rampaging hell spawn of Satan.

785
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:23,960
Speaking of, where has my own little vermin friend run off to? Oh no, dear listeners,

786
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:30,920
I do not like it when Pierre hides from me. He cannot be trusted. No, do not let your

787
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:55,840
guard down. Not since the incident last season with the meat cleaver.

788
01:04:55,840 --> 01:05:10,560
Starring Boris Karloff, Nick Adams, Susan Farmer, and Planets of the Vampires. Starring Barry

789
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:26,560
Sullivan, space explorers fighting planet vampires. Boris Karloff as the lust mad stone

790
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:33,600
monster. Two nerve jolting terror thrillers. Die monster die.

791
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:40,560
That Glenn, played by Nick Adams, has one of the best movie monologues I have ever heard

792
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:50,480
on the silver screen. I would like to challenge you to a game of dueling Glenn's. We'll each

793
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:58,480
read this monologue doing our best Nick Adams as Glenn and listeners, you get to vote on

794
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:06,520
who did it best. And I love this. If you participate, you get entered into the drawing for a free

795
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:15,800
Nick Adams fan club t-shirt. Patrons, you're already in, but please still vote. Let's see

796
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:21,760
who's got the chops. Oh man, I can already tell you're going to win, but I'm so excited.

797
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:25,120
This is going to be fun. Well, I don't know. I got to, you know, I have a sleeping baby

798
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:30,440
next door, so I got to keep it down a bit. You just got to commit. You have to fully

799
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:40,440
commit to the performance. I can go first. Okay. Okay. Give me not Namikawa's line right

800
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:46,320
before though. Lead me in a little bit. Okay. Should I also explain this is from Miss Namikawa,

801
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:50,880
who is Glenn's kind of pseudo fiance, his love interest in the movie. Who turns out

802
01:06:50,880 --> 01:07:00,200
to be a robot. Yes, indeed. Yeah. Or a robot. Yeah. Okay. Whenever you're ready. All right.

803
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:04,400
You have to become a citizen of our planet X so we can marry. That's the only way we

804
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:09,320
can save you. Look, Namikawa, we're not robots. What kind of piece would it be if we were

805
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:15,500
controlled by machines in defense of earth? We're going to fight to the last man, baby.

806
01:07:15,500 --> 01:07:19,640
Now where's your conscience? Have you turned that over to your computers too? Huh? Hey,

807
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:23,680
listen to me, Namikawa. If there's any chance of averting this war, you better tell me about

808
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:27,240
it and tell me about it right now. Cause if we don't find a solution to this thing, happiness

809
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:37,960
in this world ain't going to be worth a hill of beans. You hear? Amazing. I love it. I

810
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:43,920
it's it's an amazing scene. It's a classic and you do it justice. Well done. Well, the

811
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:49,560
floor is yours. All right. Can I have the Namikawa lead in line as well? Yep. Yep. Yeah.

812
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:54,960
Okay. Thank you. You have to become a citizen of our planet X so we can marry. That's the

813
01:07:54,960 --> 01:08:00,160
only way we can save you. Look, Namikawa, we're not robots. What kind of piece would

814
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:04,200
it be if we were controlled by machines in defense of earth? We're going to fight to

815
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:08,200
the last man, baby. Now where's your conscience? Have you turned that over to your computers

816
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:12,960
too? Huh? Hey, listen to me, Namikawa. If there's any chance of averting this war, you

817
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:16,720
better tell me about it and tell me about it right now. Cause if we don't find a solution

818
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:23,120
to this thing, happiness in this world ain't going to be worth a hill of beans. You hear?

819
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:30,040
Bravo. Bravo. That you gave it the oomph. Next time I don't have a sleeping baby next

820
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:36,720
door. So in the next room, it's an excuse. I think yours is closer to Nick Adams. So,

821
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:42,560
you know, I kind of maybe put my own spin on it for better or worse, you know, better

822
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:48,360
or worse. Uh, well that's our tribute to Nick Adams on this weekend, on this episode. So

823
01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:55,960
listeners, write in campkaidu at gmail.com vote Matt Vincent, uh, and we'll see who comes

824
01:08:55,960 --> 01:09:02,720
out on top. Nick Adams comes out on top. That's what I always, I love that line. If we don't

825
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:06,040
find a solution to this thing, happiness in this world ain't going to be worth a hill

826
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:12,200
of beans. I love the expression, the hill of beans that should be brought back. I think

827
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:20,120
yeah, it's very like Humphrey Bogart, Casablanca. Yeah. And he says baby kind of a lot in this

828
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:24,000
movie and like not just to Namakawa, but to other characters too, which I always find

829
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:30,840
pretty amusing. It's rather campy. Yeah. Perhaps it will come back later in this episode. We'll

830
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:39,760
see. Uh, I love it. Well, that is, that might be the best. I mean, like you said, not just

831
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:43,320
the best monologue in this movie, but one of the best in cinematic history. So there

832
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:50,760
you go. No joke though. I will say all kidding aside, when he broke into that monologue,

833
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:57,480
I could believe he was nominated for an Oscar. Yeah. Cause it was very in line with other,

834
01:09:57,480 --> 01:10:05,560
let's say like actor studio type of performances. Think Brando and waterfront Dean in rebel

835
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:12,840
without a cause. It had that, that energy to it that I like. It really sizzled. Yeah,

836
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:17,960
for sure. I mean, uh, like you said earlier in the episode, he's no James Dean, but he

837
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:22,120
certainly is like a part of that community of actors and you can see the influence there.

838
01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:26,680
And like you have to admire the dedication and the, um, the personality that he brings

839
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:34,960
to it. Uh, well let's talk about the themes and invasion of astro monster a little bit.

840
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:40,520
I would say maybe at first glance, this seems like a fun kind of like, you know, battle

841
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:45,120
in outer space sort of movie that doesn't have a lot of themes, but there might be some,

842
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:53,720
are there any that you want to mention right off the bat? Um, I, I think, yeah. Okay. So

843
01:10:53,720 --> 01:11:03,880
I think, um, Honda is displaying his, his true belief in internationalism. I think Honda,

844
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:11,200
you see this in the Mothra movies in the Gija, the three headed monster, like we were dealing

845
01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:16,440
with the United nations. We're dealing with the United world space agency. There's like

846
01:11:16,440 --> 01:11:25,320
great international cooperation that I, to watching this movie now, you know, post Trump's

847
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:33,720
second presidency in this, in this really increasing time of isolationism, I found a

848
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:43,160
movie like this, uh, weirdly hopeful or at least inspirational, sadly, but I found it

849
01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:50,680
inspirational. Yeah. I know what you mean. It's, uh, you know, on the one hand there's

850
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:56,080
this theme that maybe global diplomacy is difficult and you can never be entirely sure

851
01:11:56,080 --> 01:12:00,680
if like an Alliance is going to work out. Like the whole plot of the movie is that,

852
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:05,000
you know, these astronauts go to planet X and they think that planet X is going to help

853
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:08,840
them or well, you know, give them the cure for cancer. They're going to give them the

854
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:15,280
data to cure cancer on earth in exchange for bringing Godzilla and Rodan up to planet X

855
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:21,240
so they can defeat King Ghidorah. So, you know, that's the allegiance that's laid out

856
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:27,280
before them. Planet earth goes along with it and it backfires spectacularly. Um, I won't

857
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:31,440
try to give any plot spoilers here, but you know, it's like, I feel like the plot of the

858
01:12:31,440 --> 01:12:37,560
movie is basically like, you trust another, you like global or in this case, interplanetary

859
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:43,080
community, but you know, are they going to like come around and like, bite you in the

860
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:48,120
ass? You never know. Um, so yeah, I mean, like to your point, it's kind of like inspiring

861
01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:53,200
and hopeful, but also like, man, I'm, it's kind of like, can we all get along? But in

862
01:12:53,200 --> 01:12:57,280
like, sort of like a global diplomacy sort of atmosphere, you know?

863
01:12:57,280 --> 01:13:02,280
Yeah, I think, yeah, I don't know. What if, like, what if, like, what if all the countries

864
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:04,400
had said, not do your own thing?

865
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:11,240
Right. Yeah. I mean, like the, the hopeful part of it is that Glenn and Kazuo do work

866
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:15,240
together and it's never really explained. I mean, I guess they're probably both parts

867
01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:19,560
of the world space agency and that's why the American and the Japanese astronaut are going

868
01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:23,320
up together, but it's never really explained in the film. And honestly, I kind of wanted

869
01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:26,680
a little bit more of that. Like the sixties were the time of the space race and I thought

870
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:30,680
it would have been kind of interesting to have this theme of like competition to see

871
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:35,640
who can get up there first. But, um, but yeah, to your point, I mean, that's a hopeful part

872
01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:40,120
of the plot that like, you know, these two countries are working together to save earth,

873
01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:41,120
basically.

874
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:45,560
Yeah, right. It would be interesting to see maybe additional countries thrown into the

875
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:51,360
mix. I don't know. It would have been too much of to ask, like you have a Soviet astronaut

876
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:57,240
there, uh, like for American markets, but, you know, maybe there's a braver version of

877
01:13:57,240 --> 01:14:01,120
this movie where you include a Russian.

878
01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:05,480
Yeah, I think it would have been more timely and maybe a little bit more interesting in

879
01:14:05,480 --> 01:14:10,880
terms of what was actually going on in reality in 1965. But, um, but yeah, it still conveys

880
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:17,280
the theme of, uh, you know, diplomacy working together. If that's even feasible in like

881
01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:23,360
the modern age or whatever, uh, Trump would say no, but this movie would say yes.

882
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:29,600
And honestly, which one am I going to watch? Uh, you know, seven days a week and twice

883
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:30,600
on Sunday.

884
01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:37,160
I sure hope it's invasion of astro monster, but I don't know the answer to that question.

885
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:38,160
It's invasion of astro.

886
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:44,040
Yeah, I'm just kidding. Yeah. I know you well enough by now. I also know you might cut all

887
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:45,560
of that out of the episode and that's okay.

888
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:50,000
I don't think so. I'm, I'm, I'm all for it. We're going to leave it hanging out there

889
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:51,000
folks.

890
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:58,680
Nice. I love it. Uh, yeah, but that is, that's the interesting theme of the movie. I would

891
01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:02,680
say it for sure. Or the most prominent one anyway.

892
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:07,060
I think maybe there's like a touch of critique of capitalism because like Tetsuo is this

893
01:15:07,060 --> 01:15:12,700
inventor who has this kind of ridiculous invention called the lady guard. That seems like kind

894
01:15:12,700 --> 01:15:19,320
of like a, uh, like a, you know, rape whistle. I hate to use that term. It's like a, an alert

895
01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:23,520
if like a woman is under attack or whatever, you know? Um, and then like, it seems like

896
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:26,680
that invention is going to be like bought by this major corporation. And then he's kind

897
01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:31,840
of betrayed. Of course that corporation is actually like a front for the ex-aliens. So

898
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:36,660
that theme is like muddied a little bit, but I do feel like in 1960s Japan, that portrayal

899
01:15:36,660 --> 01:15:42,760
of a corporation that's not totally to be trusted is just kind of relevant and like

900
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:48,120
a sign of where Japanese society was at at the time, you know?

901
01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:56,400
Yeah. Um, I, one other thing I thought about almost in hindsight was the relationship between

902
01:15:56,400 --> 01:16:03,220
Glenn and Namikawa. You know, at first she's just, she's just playing this sort of basic

903
01:16:03,220 --> 01:16:10,080
femme fatale type character, but then their final scene together, and I think it's a testament

904
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:16,120
to the actor's chemistry, but I believe their stakes and their passion for each other. And

905
01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:21,680
she's like, I'm a robot, but we can still be together. And as we just did our monologues,

906
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:32,040
he's like, no baby, we can't. And I found it to be a more, uh, grandiose version of

907
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:40,000
the relationship we see in Terror of Mechagodzilla between the protagonist and his Android, um,

908
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:47,160
girlfriend. And I don't know, I just think there's really something interesting thematically

909
01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:54,160
and science fiction-y in that kind of star-crossed lover, the human and the Android. Can they

910
01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:56,160
truly love each other?

911
01:16:56,160 --> 01:17:04,120
I don't know. Yeah. No, I totally agree. It's, uh, it is pretty moving in this movie and

912
01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:09,520
I don't, I won't say what happens to the Namikawa character, but it's, uh, it's very poignant

913
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:13,240
and you feel like maybe they could have made it work if things had gone differently, you

914
01:17:13,240 --> 01:17:14,240
know?

915
01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:20,680
Yeah. Yeah. Uh, yeah. I'm thinking of that great line from Terror of Mechagodzilla. Kat,

916
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:26,720
uh, I forget her name, but he's like, uh, even though you're an Android, I still love

917
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:30,840
you.

918
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:31,840
That's great screenwriting.

919
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:36,400
Oh man. If only I could tap into that.

920
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:42,520
Um, but no, you're, you're right. That is a theme of the movie and like, you know, I

921
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:47,640
think it's a little bit too about like computerized thinking and like algorithms and like predicting

922
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:52,560
human behavior. Cause like that's what the ex aliens do. They have this like a computer

923
01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:56,520
on their spaceship that predicts everything that's going to happen and like lays out a

924
01:17:56,520 --> 01:18:02,480
plot to like, you know, um, prepare for the best course of action. And of course in the

925
01:18:02,480 --> 01:18:07,760
film, nothing goes as expected. And I feel like in addition to this theme of, you know,

926
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:14,000
can humans and androids coexist or even fall in love? There's also this theme of like,

927
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:20,260
what is this kind of like computerized, rigid, logical algorithmic way of thinking and like,

928
01:18:20,260 --> 01:18:24,760
how does that differ from like human behavior? Which again is, you know, in an age of AI

929
01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:27,160
is kind of more relevant than ever.

930
01:18:27,160 --> 01:18:32,400
Yeah. I actually picked up on that too, because I have been thinking so much more about technology

931
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:38,120
in our lives. And this is really interesting segue or a, just as quick sidebar. I'm noticing

932
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:44,360
Matt, as we talk about like upcoming movies today and some recent movies, I feel like

933
01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:52,920
there is a trend of, of sort of dystopian technology in horror right now. And I think

934
01:18:52,920 --> 01:19:02,800
that that is just part of our cultural fears subconsciously that we are in a, a new frontier

935
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:12,720
right now of AI, of robotics, of surveillance. And, and I thought about all that while watching

936
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:21,320
this movie, as silly as it is, but it's, it's, it is that dichotomy between machines and

937
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:23,760
what it means to be a human being.

938
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:29,440
Absolutely. Yeah. I thought about that too in this film. And I think especially the scenes

939
01:19:29,440 --> 01:19:38,800
set on the X aliens ship, which has that like computerized operating system. Yeah. I definitely

940
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:45,240
thought about it during those scenes for sure. Yeah. So maybe more than meets the eye in

941
01:19:45,240 --> 01:19:48,080
this film. Maybe not.

942
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:57,560
As long as you're wearing your like wraparound black visors. Yeah. It's a good look for sure.

943
01:19:57,560 --> 01:20:04,520
Should we talk about the form and aesthetic or should we dive into our individual breakdowns?

944
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:09,720
I think we should dive into our breakdowns. Well, maybe I'll start off with the good and

945
01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:13,400
then I'll turn it over to you and we can kind of go back and forth. That works for you.

946
01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:19,560
Sounds great. So my, my favorite thing about this movie is just the production design broadly

947
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:25,560
speaking, like the cinematography, the sets, especially like the outer space backdrops,

948
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:31,960
the costume design, all of it is really fun. It's, it's like exactly what you want with

949
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:38,620
like a 1960s retro sci-fi vibe. And it's not necessarily convincing, but I think it's more

950
01:20:38,620 --> 01:20:43,400
fun and more stylish because of that. And kind of like I just alluded to, I think the

951
01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:49,640
scenes set on planet X and on the X aliens, I call it a ship before, but like I was actually

952
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:56,040
referring to their like subterranean layer on their planet. All of that looks amazing.

953
01:20:56,040 --> 01:21:00,400
It's so fun. It's so stylish. That's the best part of the movie in my opinion.

954
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:05,280
I think stylish is the word. And most of my positive notes are about that production design.

955
01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:14,760
I think, I think it does indeed get into that 60s science fiction vibe, very Star Trek.

956
01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:23,200
And there's, there's a starry night canvas backdrop in which you see the spaceship flying

957
01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:30,580
in the foreground. And there's, I'll use your word, stylish shot where the, that spaceship

958
01:21:30,580 --> 01:21:37,600
and the starry night backdrop seamlessly transitions into the backdrop of the restaurant.

959
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:38,600
Yeah.

960
01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:47,680
As I, that's, that's just what I watch these movies for. And it's like, really kind of

961
01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:53,880
magical in the surrealist kind of way. I wish the movie maybe had more of that, but, but

962
01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:56,760
I appreciated it nonetheless.

963
01:21:56,760 --> 01:22:00,880
I love that edit as well. That's a great moment. It's kind of tongue in cheek a little bit

964
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:05,960
to kind of, I feel like it's almost like making fun of like the, you know, low budget, like

965
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:08,760
outer space backdrops, but it works really well.

966
01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:14,800
Right. Like it's not a high budget backdrop, but it's used creatively.

967
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:21,160
Yeah. Right after that, or shortly thereafter, there's a great, another great cut where like

968
01:22:21,160 --> 01:22:24,520
there's a line of dialogue where somebody's like, oh, this is going to like flip them

969
01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:28,480
on his head when he hears about this. And then the next shot is that character actually

970
01:22:28,480 --> 01:22:33,360
upside down on the screen. Cause like he's in the spaceship cockpit and like, you know,

971
01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:37,520
let's see, like it's zero gravity or whatever. So I just thought that was a really clever

972
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:41,240
edit to go from like that line of dialogue to like literally he's flipped on his head.

973
01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:42,240
That's great.

974
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:44,600
I laughed out loud because it was so dumb.

975
01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:47,440
Yeah. Dumb but clever at the same time.

976
01:22:47,440 --> 01:22:51,960
Yeah. Yeah. It's just like, oh, okay. That's where we're going with this movie. Right.

977
01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:54,440
All right. I'm buckled in. Let's go.

978
01:22:54,440 --> 01:23:01,680
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. No, I love stuff like that. And yeah, I don't know. I think that's

979
01:23:01,680 --> 01:23:07,040
why I like you, Dora, the three headed monster so much, which I feel is like that vibe 100%

980
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:11,040
of the time. And this movie isn't like that the whole way through, but still some really

981
01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:16,840
great moments like that for sure. Yeah. Do you want to start us off with what you thought

982
01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:18,840
was bad about the movie?

983
01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:24,520
Yeah. I also just want to say that I, again, I've said this ad nauseam, but the acting

984
01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:29,040
in this movie, I think is really good. I think their chemistry is really good, good. Takarada

985
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:38,080
and Adam is really sell this movie for me and I believe them to be buddies. For the

986
01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:41,840
bad. Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off with the good stuff. You can mention more good

987
01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:48,000
stuff. No, that's it. Yeah. Yeah. For the bad. And I hate to even I think bad is a strong

988
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:59,160
word for me here, but. Like there's some there's some general lack of monster action, which

989
01:23:59,160 --> 01:24:04,960
I don't mind because I still think this movie is well done regardless. It's just like an

990
01:24:04,960 --> 01:24:10,320
alien invasion science fiction movie. But there was a point where I thought I'm not

991
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:17,880
seeing as much of the Kaiju as I would like to. So maybe not the monster mesh. Some people

992
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:22,360
might expect. Well, what do you think? I feel like you've got a little bit more to share.

993
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:27,760
Well, I totally like 1000 percent agree about the lack of monster action. And I think it's

994
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:32,920
so disappointing that the first times we see Godzilla and Rodan, like they don't do anything.

995
01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:37,720
They're just like trapped in electromagnetic beams and they're sucked up into space. Like

996
01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:41,920
it should always be an awesome moment when we first see those monsters. And this time

997
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:46,400
it's just like, oh, they're just frozen in one place and they're being sucked up into

998
01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:52,720
the sky. So that was disappointing. I do love King Ghidorah. I should have added that to

999
01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:58,880
my good part. But like that monster is my favorite Kaiju that I've ever seen in a monster

1000
01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:03,360
movie, probably unless you count like, you know, Frankenstein and stuff like that. But

1001
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:06,760
I love all the Ghidorah stuff in this movie. But yeah, Godzilla and Rodan don't really

1002
01:25:06,760 --> 01:25:12,680
have very much to do. There's like that one fight on Planet X and there's a little bit

1003
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:20,360
on Earth, but really not very much. Even aside from that, though, this movie spends a lot

1004
01:25:20,360 --> 01:25:24,240
of time on the human dramas and like those are almost never the interesting part of a

1005
01:25:24,240 --> 01:25:28,800
Kaiju film. And that's true in this case. Like I know I mentioned before that, like

1006
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:41,160
the conflict between Tetsuo, Kazuo and. Is it Hano? I forget her name, sorry. But the

1007
01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:45,600
two people that are engaged and then her brother, you know, that that is moderately interesting.

1008
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:50,400
But like the stuff with his invention makes no sense. Like he just happened to make an

1009
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:54,120
invention that's like the exact pitch and frequency that's going to like affect these

1010
01:25:54,120 --> 01:25:59,600
aliens. And that's what leads to the climax of the movie. And I know I've talked a lot

1011
01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:03,920
about on Camp Kaiju before about like not looking for realism and logic in these movies.

1012
01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:08,780
And I still think that's true. But there needs to be some internal logic to like hold the

1013
01:26:08,780 --> 01:26:16,000
story together. And for me in this movie, that just does not exist. So, yeah, like narratively,

1014
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:20,240
I don't think it works all that well. And the monster stuff is really disappointing,

1015
01:26:20,240 --> 01:26:28,880
I would say. I agree with you that I think that B plot is muddled. It's unclear. At one

1016
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:33,000
point I and I was even watching it with the dubbed version and I was like, wait, wait,

1017
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:39,040
wait, wait, Tetsuo is being kidnapped now. Who are these people? I didn't track all of

1018
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:47,240
that B plot with his character. Yeah. I'm sure we both have campy stuff that we want

1019
01:26:47,240 --> 01:26:52,520
to talk about. I'll go first. I feel like maybe you have more than I do in the campy

1020
01:26:52,520 --> 01:26:59,520
category. Okay. But mine is also going to be Nick Adams focused. My favorite line of

1021
01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:04,840
dialogue that he gives in the Japanese version, but also, you know, in the English dubbed

1022
01:27:04,840 --> 01:27:09,000
version and the Japanese one, it's not really him. But in the English dubbed version, when

1023
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:14,440
they find out that the X aliens are betraying them, Nick Adams is like, those double crossing

1024
01:27:14,440 --> 01:27:19,560
things, which just like seems like it should be from like a 1930s film noir, like 1940s

1025
01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:24,800
film noir, you know, and like his like ridiculous Brooklyn accent in the middle of this group

1026
01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:29,880
of Japanese scientists. I just really laughed out loud at that moment. In general, I would

1027
01:27:29,880 --> 01:27:34,180
say that his line delivery is like some of the campiest and most fun stuff in this movie.

1028
01:27:34,180 --> 01:27:39,120
And that was my favorite example. I have one line, Nick Adams exchange with the leader

1029
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:48,320
of the X aliens. And this was so funny. The the the leader says to Glenn and I forget

1030
01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:53,720
talk about his character's name, but he's he's saying to Glenn, you know, the American,

1031
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:59,080
there are going to be women involved. Good looking women. And Glenn, like drops it in

1032
01:27:59,080 --> 01:28:03,760
and is really impassioned. He said, you know, there's there's heart too. And there's there's

1033
01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:10,080
more than just the physical surface stuff with with women. And he's cut off and the

1034
01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:15,080
leader of the X aliens, I'm paraphrasing, but says, All right, all right, let's not

1035
01:28:15,080 --> 01:28:18,000
get into it right now.

1036
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:26,160
Yeah, that moment is great. I know what you're talking about. Yeah. It appears that all the

1037
01:28:26,160 --> 01:28:31,000
X aliens, except for the robots who all look alike, are men. So I guess that line of dialogue

1038
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:33,000
kind of makes sense, you know?

1039
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:41,200
Yeah, it was really funny and like perfect comedic timing. I also next time you watch

1040
01:28:41,200 --> 01:28:51,480
this movie. I want you to count every time Nick Adams hitches up his pants. He does it

1041
01:28:51,480 --> 01:28:55,840
almost every time he starts a line, he unbuttons his jacket and just like does a little hitch

1042
01:28:55,840 --> 01:29:01,200
and puts his hands on his hips to deliver a line.

1043
01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:04,520
I feel like I noticed that a couple of times, but maybe not as frequently as you did. That's

1044
01:29:04,520 --> 01:29:05,520
awesome.

1045
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:10,480
Every time. And once you notice it, you can't unsee it.

1046
01:29:10,480 --> 01:29:15,880
Could be a good drinking game. Yeah, it could be. Every time he hitches his pants or says,

1047
01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:24,320
baby, you have to take a shot. You'll be passed out with like 20 minutes in, you know?

1048
01:29:24,320 --> 01:29:29,720
Yeah, boy.

1049
01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:32,840
I mean, Nick Adams is great, but like all the campy stuff in this movie is basically

1050
01:29:32,840 --> 01:29:34,440
him for the most part.

1051
01:29:34,440 --> 01:29:37,800
Yeah, 100%. But it's it's so charming.

1052
01:29:37,800 --> 01:29:42,520
Yeah, I guess I would just add to in the campy category. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to cut

1053
01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:43,520
you off.

1054
01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:45,240
No, I'm done.

1055
01:29:45,240 --> 01:29:48,360
You know, we mentioned like it's pretty low budget and like some of the model and effects

1056
01:29:48,360 --> 01:29:54,300
work is pretty chintzy and shoddy. It's kind of funny watching this. So shortly after the

1057
01:29:54,300 --> 01:30:01,480
Beast from 20,000 Fathoms, which came out 10 years before 11, maybe 13, actually. Yeah,

1058
01:30:01,480 --> 01:30:05,920
somewhere out there. But you know, the special effects in that movie are pretty great. I

1059
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:11,640
mean, they hold up and the special effects and invasion of Astromonster, not so much.

1060
01:30:11,640 --> 01:30:16,000
Like, you know, you can see like little kind of like army soldiers just like sitting in

1061
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:21,440
one spot in a truck, like in a model truck, you know. Yeah. The like rear projection work

1062
01:30:21,440 --> 01:30:25,760
is never really like very convincing. You can tell it's like the actors are like not

1063
01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:32,360
even close to like the background footage. And I, you know, some of it is fun. Some of

1064
01:30:32,360 --> 01:30:37,400
it is like, oh, God, that looks so bad, you know. So I would put that in the campy category

1065
01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:39,000
as well in this case.

1066
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:48,320
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. When you see just like toys being used to substitute actors. Yeah, exactly.

1067
01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:55,080
And like very blatant wires, you know, like for. Yeah, there were a lot of visible wires,

1068
01:30:55,080 --> 01:31:02,560
which I tried to be forgiving. Right. Maybe it's my high def TV. I don't know. But I want

1069
01:31:02,560 --> 01:31:04,960
to forget that the wires are there.

1070
01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:11,280
Exactly. Yeah. Like it's I simultaneously love and hate that effect a little bit where

1071
01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:16,280
it's like, oh, this is like charming and like hands on, but also a little bit hard to believe.

1072
01:31:16,280 --> 01:31:26,440
And yeah, yeah. Yep. But yeah, I mean, good and good and bad, you know. All right. I think

1073
01:31:26,440 --> 01:31:32,560
it might be time to give Invasion of Astro Monster our rating. As always on Camp Kaju,

1074
01:31:32,560 --> 01:31:36,600
we have our four ratings. Number one, it's a timeless classic. It definitely stands the

1075
01:31:36,600 --> 01:31:41,240
test of time. Number two, there may be some antiquated moments, but overall it's great.

1076
01:31:41,240 --> 01:31:46,440
It stands the test of time. Number three, it may be historically significant or just

1077
01:31:46,440 --> 01:31:51,720
fun, but it does not stand the test of time and our lowest rating. It is not worth revisiting.

1078
01:31:51,720 --> 01:31:55,480
It definitely does not stand the test of time.

1079
01:31:55,480 --> 01:32:05,840
Vincent. Yeah. Yeah. I'll leave you the final word. OK. I think this movie is a classic

1080
01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:13,840
or the second. I got I don't even remember my own ratings. The second to highest. I think

1081
01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:24,520
it stands the test of time. I think it's depiction of space and planet X is just really beautiful

1082
01:32:24,520 --> 01:32:31,320
to watch with the stars and the moons and the creature fights on the planet are really,

1083
01:32:31,320 --> 01:32:40,440
really fun. I think the costume design for the Exilians is so iconic and memorable. I

1084
01:32:40,440 --> 01:32:45,900
love the general vibes of this movie. But Matt, you actually kept me from giving it

1085
01:32:45,900 --> 01:32:53,740
the highest rating when you, I think, rightly critiqued the entrance of Godzilla and Rodin.

1086
01:32:53,740 --> 01:33:00,840
I think you're absolutely right. The first time we see giant monsters, it should be awe

1087
01:33:00,840 --> 01:33:07,920
inspiring. And here I do think now that they are treated almost for granted. It's just

1088
01:33:07,920 --> 01:33:11,880
like, oh, it's Godzilla and Rodin. And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. It doesn't matter

1089
01:33:11,880 --> 01:33:17,920
if you've seen them six times or a hundred times. They must always be treated like the

1090
01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:24,080
giant gods that they are. So that that's what that's what's going to keep it from the top

1091
01:33:24,080 --> 01:33:25,840
tier for me.

1092
01:33:25,840 --> 01:33:32,760
Nice. Yeah, I feel very similarly. I think I'm going to have to give it one rank lower

1093
01:33:32,760 --> 01:33:37,800
than what you gave it. I think this movie is fun, but it does not stand the test of

1094
01:33:37,800 --> 01:33:44,720
time for me. Part of it, like you said, is the lack of monster action. I think like it's,

1095
01:33:44,720 --> 01:33:50,060
you know, they wasted some great opportunities for like awesome action scenes where the Exilians

1096
01:33:50,060 --> 01:33:54,720
try to like bring these monsters up to outer space. Like those could have been amazing

1097
01:33:54,720 --> 01:34:01,480
scenes and we don't see that in this movie. I think maybe more unfortunate is that we

1098
01:34:01,480 --> 01:34:06,400
spend a lot of time with the human characters and like generally that's not very interesting.

1099
01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:11,840
I would have loved to see a little bit more like exploration of like the global diplomacy

1100
01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:19,520
theme in the context of the space race. You know, as it is in this movie, it's it's charming

1101
01:34:19,520 --> 01:34:26,160
that astronaut Glenn, which is a great name, and the Hasuo like go up to Planet X together.

1102
01:34:26,160 --> 01:34:30,760
It's very like inspiring and charming. But like I you know, there's the potential for

1103
01:34:30,760 --> 01:34:35,880
more kind of like real world subtext there, you know, and I would have loved to see that

1104
01:34:35,880 --> 01:34:43,080
in the movie. So I think a lot of wasted opportunities, especially in comparison with Ghidor, the

1105
01:34:43,080 --> 01:34:47,800
three-headed monster, which I love so much. But yeah, I mean, it looks great. It is fun

1106
01:34:47,800 --> 01:34:52,120
a lot of the time, so I can't give it the lowest rating. It's a very entertaining movie

1107
01:34:52,120 --> 01:34:58,600
for sure. Yeah, I think that's all all fair. But thank you for bringing this movie. I yeah,

1108
01:34:58,600 --> 01:35:01,880
it was fun to bring it to the podcast. And like, you know, whenever we can talk about

1109
01:35:01,880 --> 01:35:06,000
like one of the original, you know, one of the Godzilla films from like the original

1110
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:12,920
era, it's very satisfying for sure. Totally. All right. Well, next time on Camp Kaiju,

1111
01:35:12,920 --> 01:35:17,600
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1112
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