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Hello everybody, welcome to Camp Kaiju Monster Movie Podcast.

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We are your hosts, Vincent Canem and Matt Levine.

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And we are talking about all of our favorite monster movies.

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The Good, The Bad and the Downright Campy and asking if they stand the test of time.

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Jigokaju creature features, space invaders, the supernatural and everything in-between.

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All Strange Beasts welcome here.

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Hey everybody.

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Contrary to what you just heard in the intro, Matt is not joining us on this week's episode

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but I'll tell you why.

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So last Sunday, I was fortunate enough, honored enough to attend the

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commitment ceremony between he and his partner Kelly.

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So, you know, Matt has other things on his mind this week.

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We wish him all the best.

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So, Kankaiju family, just give Matt some love.

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The ceremony was beautiful.

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Just full of friends and family and I know I couldn't be happier to be friends with

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with Matt and Kelly.

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So, truly wonderful.

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So, with that said, we are bringing in Max Anum, my brother of course, and fellow monster

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movie lover, to talk a little bit more about Cold Skin, which of course is the final installment

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of the Frozen with Fear series that we have been really, really proud of on Kankaiju.

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And as I described to Matt in our previous episode, Cold Skin, I would describe it as

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feature from the black lagoon meets the lighthouse.

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Really a unique movie, so if you haven't watched it, go ahead and do so.

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Me and Max chat here for about 40 minutes before the main segment.

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He tells us his favorite monster movies.

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We talk about Godzilla.

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We talk about, we talk about the mummy.

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We talk about Universal Studios.

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So it's really a great conversation.

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It was a joy as always to have Max on the show and we hope that you enjoy.

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We hope you get a little something out of this.

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We'll see you later on Kankaiju.

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Science couldn't explain it, but there it was, alive in the deep, deep waters of the

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Amazon, a throwback to a creature that had existed 100 million years ago, immensely

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strong and destructive, a woman's beauty, the bait that brought it out of its lair.

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Sea underwater thrills never photographed before.

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Sea Titanic underwater battles never dreamed of before in this most terrifying of the science

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fiction adventure.

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Before I bring Max on his way in the wings there before I bring him on, we gotta, we

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gotta get to some nuts and bolts.

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So first and foremost, thank you to our patrons.

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Jason, Chris, Sean, our anonymous patron, and Peggy.

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Thank you for being the catalyst for this commission that I had and I went to Max and

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Corey and said, hey, do you want to talk about some monster movies with your unique situation

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being based in Antarctica for six months?

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So thank you.

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And or you can give us a call at the Kaiju hotline at 612-470-2612.

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of a voicemail that you can leave just sharing your love of monster movies.

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Have you seen Cold Skin?

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Did you have any comments on our season four announcements, right?

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Any of those movies really jump out at you?

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Anything that you're really excited for, please let us know and we'll feature your voice on

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All that and campkaijupodcast.com is our website, the place to go for more monster movie content.

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All right, now coming up on Camp Kaiju.

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So this month in June 2024, we have our kind of our special month.

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We're just gonna, we're gonna have featuring some special episodes.

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Our Cold Skin, which was recorded last year, but we are releasing today, if you're listening.

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And then next week, Matt and I are going to revisit our vaults, actually.

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We're gonna talk about, we're gonna, we're gonna re-release our episode about cat people

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from 1942.

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Then me and Patrick Kozaki are going to drop a brand new episode, special content.

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A collaboration between his podcast, Gaze Do The D, and Camp Kaiju.

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That episode is going to be about who framed Roger Rabbit.

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And then in July, Kaijuly, we're gonna start off with brand new actual Camp Kaiju content

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with Godzilla Kong the New Empire and King Kong vs. Godzilla, where you can get in on

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some hot trivia action with a new game that we're gonna play on Camp Kaiju featuring trivia.

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So for more information on that, listen to our season four announcement and stay tuned

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on the socials.

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We will keep you in the loop.

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All right.

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Thank you all for that.

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So this is good.

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We can segue into, I wanted to talk to you a little bit about A, cold skin, but B, just

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a little bit more about your love for monster movies, science fiction, horror films.

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I know we've talked a little bit before on the podcast, but really the episodes you've

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been on have been specials and they've been exclusive from what me and Matt do.

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So like we actually haven't been able to talk much on the podcast.

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What do you think of those titles for our season four?

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Erachnophobia, Mummy, Possession, Planet The Apes, The Relicable Fan, God told me to

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Godzilla minus one, Attack the Block, Remlins.

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I have not seen Erachnophobia in probably 20 years.

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I would love to watch that again.

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You're having an excuse to watch it.

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I watched the Mummy like five years ago.

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I watched it a few years ago.

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I showed it to Ellen and she couldn't help herself.

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She was like, yeah, that was better than I thought it was going to be.

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I was like, right?

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Well, Emily and I watched it in Tahoe when we were looking if we wanted to get married

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there.

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So we're like rented a cabin and it was like, what do you want to watch?

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You want to watch the Mummy?

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Yes.

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Watch the Mummy.

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Can I rub you for a second?

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I'm reading this wiki page on the Brendan Fraser trilogy.

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And the original concept for that first movie, the proposal for it was it was going to be

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written and directed by Clive Barker.

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Whoa.

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And it was supposed to be more violent with this story revolving around the head of a

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contemporary art museum who turns out to be a cultist trying to reanimate mummies.

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That seems like it would have been good, but very different.

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Not an adventure movie.

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It's like, I don't know, ripped from a cult page.

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And just drawing a comparison between Clive Barker Mummy versus what we ended up with.

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What we ended up with, I feel like, is more in tone with the universal aesthetic.

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You know, it's ostensibly horror, but really it's adventure.

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It's comedy.

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It's action.

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It's everything that Universal would have wanted out of a remake.

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It's a big blockbuster.

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It's a summer movie.

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You take everyone, the whole family to go.

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Clive Barker Mummy.

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It's probably a cult classic in the making that bombs.

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Because it's rated R. And it is.

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Well, it says Barker's take.

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It's a quote was dark, sexual and filled with mysticism and that it would have been a great

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low budget movie, which I think sums it up perfectly.

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One more Mummy movie here.

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I just learned about this movie from 1980 called The Awakening.

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Do you know it?

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What year?

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1980.

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It's a British horror film.

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It's based on, didn't know this, a Bram Stoker novel from 1903 called The Jewel of Seven

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Stars.

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Have you seen this poster for it?

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The one on Wikipedia?

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I mean, I'm just on Google Images and it is pretty rad.

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I mean, it's just a mummy in a desert with the pyramids and the sphinx behind it with

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like a dark space, like stars and then like a blue light blowing behind the head.

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And I don't know, the colors are really cool.

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Through the ages, the ancient monuments of Egypt have been hunting grounds for archaeologists,

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tourists and grave robbers.

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One by one, the sacred tombs of pharaohs and queens have been violated, yielding their

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priceless treasures and occult mysteries.

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But the evil one, Kara, has slept undisturbed for thousands of years, waiting, waiting

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for the awakening.

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You must have killed thousands.

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Kara, you must be forever alone, do not approach.

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Best your soul be withered.

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The inscription was a warning for mankind.

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For all those who take part in her awakening are doomed.

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Charlton Heston, obsessed by the awakening, intrudes where no man should go.

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Through Santa York, this obeys the ancient warning that threatens to destroy her.

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You're going to try the ritual, aren't you?

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Stephanie Zimbalus defies the deadly legend and brings forth the terror.

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The evil one must be forever alone.

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She must not live again.

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For 4,000 years.

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She has been silent and dead and waiting for the awakening.

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They thought they had buried her forever.

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Yeah, so anyone out there seen this film, comment.

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Let us know if it's worth our time.

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Because I'm definitely intrigued.

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I love this poster.

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Mummy movies, man.

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Well, if you want to join us for our episode on Steven Summer's Mummy, we can definitely

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talk more about this sub-genre.

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Oh yeah, yeah.

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That would be great.

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Another thing I want to blow by you, I have the idea of what I'm calling a round table

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episode themed around the Universal Studios Parks and Halloween Horror Nights.

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So I was thinking about asking you, Jonathan, and I have a friend who's actually an actor

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in the Horror Makeup Show.

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Oh, that's fun.

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Which I'm a huge fan of.

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So I'm hoping he gets back to me.

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Yeah, I'd like to have guests on the show who can speak to the Halloween Horror Nights,

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speak to the theme parks, and just ask you all questions about what that's like.

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And all of my experiences approaching 15 years old at this point, started working there in

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2008 and stopped in 2000, was it was 2008, 2009, I was working the summers.

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So I didn't work all the way to Horror Nights.

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Right, right.

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That's when I was working Jaws.

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Let's see, you can speak to, we can speak to Jaws as fans of that ride, but you can

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hold different perspectives.

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Yeah, so yeah, I didn't work Jaws, but I worked Amity.

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But you know, the ride was right there.

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I rode it a lot.

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It was the 4th of July.

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The beaches are open, and as you can see, everybody's having a wonderful time.

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Amity, as you know, means friendship.

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Yep.

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But I can definitely speak to the Mummy Ride.

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Yes.

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Because I worked that all throughout college.

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If you're down, I'm excited about that idea.

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I want to do more of that kind of content on the podcast.

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We have our mainstays where we review movies.

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Love doing that.

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But once in a while, if there's a festival to highlight for an event like Halloween Horror

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Nights, or if it's just a interesting take for the Mummy movie, like an addendum episode

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of just, hey, let's just talk about this ride, or I guess a broader discussion that

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isn't just tied to the movie.

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Right.

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Did you know that all the Universal Theme Parks, the Mummy rides are themed differently,

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and they are different rides?

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What's funny is that you're probably going to repeat this conversation once or twice.

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With those two episodes.

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Well, I do want to keep us on some sort of track here.

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So, we're talking cold skin.

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This is our special episode.

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It is our last episode of the Frozen with Fear series, which started as a Patreon exclusive

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with Max and his friend and colleague, Corey Stewart, when they were down in Antarctica

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serving with the United States Coast Guard.

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Now, those episodes are publicly released, so everyone, please go back and listen to

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those.

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Max, what episode, what movies did you talk about with Frozen with Fear?

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Oh, we watched the Impeccable Alien vs. Predator classic Antarctic film.

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Then we watched The Thing, 1982, and then The Thing, 2011.

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I was supposed to be where it would end, but then as we were watching those, we also just

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happened to watch Cold Skin.

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And we're like, hey, this is, I think, set in Antarctica.

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Yeah, speak more about that, because it's not explicit.

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So, it's set on an island in the Southern Hemisphere that we got the impression it was

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on an island that was probably like South of South America, maybe an old stop or on

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an old route for traders or whalers before the Panama Canal.

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Because there's a line somewhere in the movie about, like, why are we even out here?

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Like no one comes out here except military vessels to come just check on the outpost.

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And it's set during World War I, too.

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Correct.

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Yeah.

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So, I think at the time we were actually sailing along the coast of Antarctica, like coming

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up the peninsula towards South America.

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And because of that, we kind of got the vibe throughout the movie that it was probably

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around there, or maybe it could be close to the Falklands or somewhere around there.

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So, that's why it's vaguely Antarctic and we decided to just throw it on there.

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Yeah.

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Well, I'm really glad you did.

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It does have a very desolate, like, South Atlantic feel, which is, to me, very different

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from the South Pacific, which seems very tropical.

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But the South Atlantic, I'm like, first of all, there are islands there.

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Second of all, these are just barren rocks.

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But yes, I really enjoyed the movie.

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I found it on 2B and it is a recent movie, 2017.

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And why do you like this movie?

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Do you like this movie?

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Like, what?

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Why talk about it?

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I do like the movie.

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I've got, like, mild issues with it, but overall it was enjoyable in a, like, monster movie

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sense because you do get monsters.

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It's not, like, hidden away for the most part.

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Like, you get monsters, some pretty good effects, like, good makeup.

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It's funny.

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I don't know if it's intended to be funny in some parts, but one of the main characters

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is just a broken lighthouse keeper.

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He's got some sort of trauma, which causes him to just act in ways that are unexpected

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or over the top and that causes a lot of humor.

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Yeah.

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I think it's intentional.

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Right.

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And because that actor who plays the character, he was one of the main characters in Rome.

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So I know he can do, like, good subtle performances.

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So it's not just a case of bad acting.

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No, the movie, there seems to be a lot of great care in this movie.

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Like you said, the special effects, the makeup.

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I think the costuming, I think, you could tell this movie was made for not a lot of money,

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but in that you could tell the attention to detail is really important to the filmmakers.

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So you get this really lived experience.

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You can feel the, you know, the spray on their faces from the ocean.

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You know what I mean?

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Right.

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There's not really much in the way of visual effects, like CGI and stuff.

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There's some, but I mean, one of the main characters is a monster.

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I think it's a dancer who just didn't make up like heavy monster makeup.

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So it's a great physicality to it that you really feel.

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Agreed.

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And these monsters, they're fish people.

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Is that accurate?

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How would you describe the monsters?

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Oh, they are fish people.

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They're humanoids from the sea.

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They go off of the classic like Lovecraft monster creation of Deep Ones.

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I don't know if that's the definite inspiration for the book that the movie was inspired by,

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but it's definitely in the film.

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Now Lovecraftian Deep Ones are described more as like half fish, half frog humanoids.

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Right.

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Right.

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They're walking out like a hopping sort of motion.

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So it's not necessarily similar to those Lovecraftian Deep Ones in that sense, but just the idea

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that there's a society of these humanoid creatures living under the ocean, which give them these

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fish-like properties.

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There's your island.

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We set sail 67 days ago.

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September 1914.

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No birds.

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No weather official to greet you either.

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In this remote part of the world, I feel a sense of irreparable loss.

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Maritime signal technician, we are replacing the weather official.

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Can you tell me what he's wearing?

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It's safe.

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He's dead?

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I would have to live in a solitude like exile for 12 months.

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Remember, it's the still and silency that drowns a man.

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One thing I still can't understand is that you could have escaped four days ago and

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the boat that brought me here.

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It's a world.

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Here, I'm master of my own destiny.

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I can't tell whether it arises from a longing for civilization, a prisoner's panic, or simply

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fear.

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The previous weather official wasn't typhus.

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You'd have to be stranded here, I'd be.

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It's as good as murder.

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No, don't shoot.

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There's sunlight, human or divine.

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Demons from Atlantis.

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The only thing you need to understand is that we are the invaders, which makes us the enemy.

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Kill and conquer is what we humans do.

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Do you want to conquer them, is that it?

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Oh no, I want to exterminate them.

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Wake up, shoot, shoot, damn it.

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I see where you are.

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It's sad, but that's it.

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Fade you out of this and throw.

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You're too afraid to let your friends leave.

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So, cold skin.

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Now, listeners, after Max and I wrap up our sort of prelude conversation here, you'll

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be treated to the full episode with Max and Corey riffing on this movie.

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Their style, if you haven't listened to Frozen with Fear, is very different from our usual,

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from Matt and I's usual setup.

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So, Max and Corey just kind of talk about the movie from the beginning to the end and

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have some really good insights and a lot of comedy and humor.

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Max, I think you and Corey have really good chemistry and know your stuff.

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Well, he definitely knows it more than me.

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I have a general knowledge, but as you can already tell, I make reference to, oh, it's

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that one actor who's in this other thing or it's that one H.G. Wells story.

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Well, sure, but you, but you understand the language of movies and, and right, you know,

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what goes into filmmaking.

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Yeah.

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So we, we had, yes, some good fun conversations that we had no idea how long the conversation

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would last.

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We were just having a good time chatting.

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Yeah.

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And happened to just record it.

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Yeah.

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I think it's good.

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All right.

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Thank you, Max.

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We are going to take a brief break before we continue our catch up conversation here.

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We got to, we got to dip in the MENIA's mailbox a little bit.

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On our YouTube page comes from Guy Grip.

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And this was just from the other day very recently.

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So Guy Grip says, the sad thing is this movie, and he's talking about Matango or the Mushroom

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People.

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This movie was on at least, on at least three times a year from 1969 to 1991.

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I'm older at 61.

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I was first to see it broadcast in the summer of 1965 as AIP TV.

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I was three years old when my mom explained the story to me.

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What a memory.

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And Guy Grip, indeed, what a memory.

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That's incredible that you remember seeing Matango on television in the 1960s when it

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was still a new movie.

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So thank you for sharing that, that bit of nostalgia.

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I personally love Matango.

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It's directed by Ashiro Honda.

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It's more of a horror movie, monster movie than a traditional Kaiju flip.

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But in that, there's some, there's some really great thrills.

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So Matango, everyone check it out.

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And leave us a comment.

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Let us know what you think if you agree with Guy Grip here about its merits.

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Or if you think, you know, maybe Honda should stick to giant monsters in rubber suits.

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I don't know.

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But thank you all for listening for your time and attention.

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And we're going to get back to our main segment now with Max.

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We're going to continue the conversation.

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So what are your, what are your, what are some of your favorite monster movies?

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Well, I mean, like you, Jaws is a top of the list.

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It's a pretty good one.

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Hmm.

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And you throw it on the spot.

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Uh, uh, uh, I really do like the 99 mummy.

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Yeah.

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As we mentioned, which is why I was pretty stoked to work at that ride.

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Uh, Tremors.

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Yeah.

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Love it.

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What else?

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I'm trying to think of stuff that I have watched as an adult and not.

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Yeah.

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Maybe some things that we don't share.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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This probably counts as a monster movie, but I love Herbert West, free animator.

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Yeah.

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All time classic.

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I mean, no Stuart Gordon movies are really fun in that way.

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Yeah.

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I know you're, I know you're a fan of Stuart Gordon.

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Uh, how about some other directors?

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I mean, Guillermo del Toro, he knows what he's doing.

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I mean, just look at the creativity and something like Hans Labyrinth or the shape of water.

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What else?

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Uh, I actually, I've been watching his, the cabinet of curiosities.

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Oh yeah?

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I haven't finished all of the episodes, but that's a great series on Netflix.

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If you want to see some like adaptations of some classic short stories like monster movies,

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strange fiction type stuff.

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Uh, some of them are a little bit more monstery.

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Some are more in the vein of like a monkey's paw sort of.

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Yeah.

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Story.

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Yeah.

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So it's a good watch.

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Okay.

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What's your favorite Godzilla movie?

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The original is just a beautiful movie.

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It's not the most fun movie in the series, but when I watched it as an adult for the first time,

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I definitely felt like emotion that I wasn't expecting like some sadness and my experience

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with Godzilla movies in the past have been more of a like Shoah era, cartoony sort of

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vibe, like full on.

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This is Kaiju directed towards kids.

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Like Megalon.

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Yeah.

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Jet Jaguar.

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I love that movie.

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Upon rewatch, you know, it's not terrible.

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It's like it's, it's a mess, but it's a very entertaining mess.

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Oh yeah.

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And then honestly, I think, um, and I do want to have you back at some point to talk about

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Godzilla vs. Megalon.

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But the last half hour, the 90 minute movie, the last 30 minutes is all Kaiju action.

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They're just throwing down with each other and it's a tag team wrestling match for 30 minutes.

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You can't really beat that.

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It's honestly, that is one of the most standout moments of the franchise to me, just the 30

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minutes at the end of that movie.

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From Picture House.

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And the imagination of Guillermo del Toro.

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In darkness, there can be light.

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In misery, there can be beauty.

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In death, there can be life.

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Pan's Labyrinth.

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They're coming!

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The good old days of good old monster movies are back.

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Tremors.

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It was funny.

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It's humongous.

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Slimy.

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It was for you.

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It was scary.

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Yeah, we'll take your word for it.

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The scariest monster movie since Aliens says sneak previews.

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Bloodthirsty, that creature.

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Action packed.

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It's a wild film.

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And Time Magazine raves, Tremors is bound to become a classic.

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Tremors, rated PG-13, starts tomorrow at theaters everywhere.

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Made within the uncharted depths of waters surrounding a group of islands off the 50th

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parallel lies man's most formidable challenge.

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The awesome awakening of prehistoric monsters long for extinct.

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Savage and deadly, their one hope is to rule our planet as they once had thousands of years back.

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Giant against giant.

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The ultimate battle, Godzilla versus Megalon.

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Science was battled and powerless.

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A terror-stricken humanity knew that it was on the brink of total destruction.

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A once proud civilization now had to place its trust and hope in Godzilla and his powerful ally,

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Robot Man.

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In concert they would fight this evil in a duel to the death.

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Battling by day, battling by night, it was more than a race against time.

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This war was an all-out effort whose ultimate purpose was to save our planet from total destruction.

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Now came the moment of truth.

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The ultimate battle.

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Titan against Titan.

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Giant against giant in the most spectacular battle yet.

492
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:07,880
You'll see it all in Godzilla versus Megalon.

493
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:18,880
Yeah, and as far as maybe a more modern Godzilla like Shin Godzilla is a great start to a new era.

494
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:23,880
Which in and of itself didn't really go anywhere.

495
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:25,880
I don't know, I feel like...

496
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,880
Well, no, it's launched a new era.

497
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:33,880
What has? I just mean like that incarnation of Godzilla has not reappeared.

498
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,880
I don't think it's supposed to. It's the birth of Godzilla.

499
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:46,880
Like he is evolving from, I don't know, almost like a tadpole to be Godzilla.

500
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:52,880
So I don't know, it feels like a revival or rebirth of the character.

501
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:58,880
And I know it's not going to be like the same creative team making future Godzilla movies.

502
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:04,880
But they're definitely going to see how much people connected with Shin Godzilla.

503
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:05,880
Yeah.

504
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,880
And enjoyed it.

505
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:13,880
And they're just going to copy that template until it gets worn and then go for another refresh.

506
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:18,880
Hmm, yeah. So perhaps in that there's a threat of continuity.

507
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,880
That's just what I was thinking. Like Showa era, there's a loose continuity.

508
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,880
The Heisei era, there's a continuity in the story.

509
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:31,880
The Millennium era, each movie is its own installment.

510
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,880
Different take on the monster.

511
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:40,880
But in that there's sort of a collective package of this is this era.

512
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:46,880
But right, Shin Godzilla to me is such an outlier.

513
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:52,880
That's a good thing. Like it's its own beast that hasn't been replicated.

514
00:35:52,880 --> 00:36:03,880
I mean, it probably won't. Like you have Hideaki Aono as I don't know if he produced it or was just heavily involved in the creation of it.

515
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:05,880
Like I said, it's producing.

516
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:12,880
I know he didn't like fully direct it. It was like one of his good friends.

517
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:18,880
And it feels exactly like everything else that Aono has done.

518
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:26,880
Right. So, so that's a good point. Actually. Yeah. So Aono co produced with Shinji Higuchi.

519
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,880
Higuchi directed Shin.

520
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,880
Wait, yeah. Ultraman.

521
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,880
No, I'm getting confused. Shin Godzilla and Shin Ultraman.

522
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:41,880
Yeah, they they've been working on all of these Shin movies together.

523
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,880
It's just they've been like passing off.

524
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:46,880
Like trading the roles.

525
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,880
Yep. Yep. Yeah. Okay. I'm going to get this right for all the listeners who are going.

526
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,880
No, you're getting the info wrong.

527
00:36:52,880 --> 00:37:00,880
Okay. Again, I have no idea what I'm talking about when it comes to people's names and their exact roles.

528
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,880
Okay. But generally, we're looking for yes, generally where we're looking for.

529
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,880
Generally where we know what we're talking about, but specifically.

530
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:09,880
I'm an expert.

531
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:15,880
Shin Godzilla was directed by Hideaki Aono and Shinji Higuchi.

532
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:27,880
Okay. Shin Ultraman was only directed by Higuchi while it was co produced and co edited by Aono.

533
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,880
So that's where we're at. And then we have Shin Common Rider.

534
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,880
Yeah, which was written and directed by Aono.

535
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,880
Saw that theaters. You did? Yeah.

536
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:42,880
I haven't seen it yet. Oh, that was great. There was no previews for it either.

537
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:49,880
So there was like start to seven, set down seven o'clock lights go out and the movie just starts.

538
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,880
So that's amazing. I got to see Shin Common Rider.

539
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:59,880
Hold on. You were just recently in Japan. Did you go to the Toho Studios?

540
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:04,880
I didn't. I didn't make it before everyone was asking. So what are you going to do in Japan?

541
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:13,880
I only had four days. So I was saying, oh, yeah, I got to go to the Toho Studios.

542
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:26,880
It's in a Kabukicho, I don't know how to pronounce it, but it's an area that's a very visually distinct area of Tokyo.

543
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:31,880
It's very much a nightlife described as almost like a red light district area.

544
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,880
But from that area, you can see the Godzilla that's at the Toho Studio.

545
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:42,880
Nice. I did not go though, because I got distracted in Akihabara.

546
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:44,880
And what is that?

547
00:38:44,880 --> 00:39:00,880
That's an area of Tokyo that's just filled with a bunch of like neon sort of signs and like anime shops and electronic stores.

548
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:10,880
It's where you go if you want to go find like old video game stuff or anything anime, they have it there.

549
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:17,880
So I got distracted there. It's very fun to just basically window shop. I did a lot of window shopping too.

550
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:18,880
Yeah.

551
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:25,880
Because most of those stores have multiple floors. You just kind of almost like a museum, just like slowly wandering through just looking at everything.

552
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:26,880
Wow.

553
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:34,880
I nearly bought like the entire Godzilla collection because there were some stores that just had like every single one there.

554
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:41,880
And I didn't because, one, I'm pretty sure they were all bootlegs. So I didn't know the quality.

555
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:47,880
Because of that, I was almost positive they there wouldn't have been like English subtitles.

556
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:48,880
Right.

557
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,880
Oh, this is the last thing I wanted to ask.

558
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:58,880
Was shed shed light on any possible future installments of Frozen with Fear?

559
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:00,880
Or is this it?

560
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:13,880
Well, I would say Frozen with Fear is as a concept of Antarctic movies in Antarctica, not going to continue.

561
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:15,880
Right. There's only so many.

562
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:24,880
Right. And I will not be going back to Antarctica for the foreseeable future or ever again.

563
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:25,880
Fair enough.

564
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:30,880
There's a small chance I might go back, but not with the Coast Guard.

565
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:38,880
So that series as a concept, I think was, you know, it had its time.

566
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:50,880
But I will be looking into some other sort of themed or franchise based discussions to have.

567
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,880
Yeah. I've got some stuff rolling around in my head.

568
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:54,880
Okay.

569
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,880
So, I'm going to be looking into some other things that I want to share.

570
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,880
Well, I've been thinking about revisiting Hellraiser.

571
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,880
Right. Right.

572
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,880
All of them. I don't think I've seen the last one either.

573
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:07,880
No.

574
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,880
So I got to watch all of them and prep for it.

575
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:10,880
Obviously.

576
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:18,880
So I was thinking maybe that because those are fun movies to just, they're not fun to watch actually in back to back.

577
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,880
Not all of them.

578
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,880
But they are fun to talk about and riff on.

579
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,880
Yeah. I love exploring.

580
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:39,880
If a franchise has five or more entries, I'm immediately drawn to it because I'm like, you know, there's going to be, you know, the highs are going to be high and the lows are going to be low.

581
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:49,880
Well, it's one of those franchises that most of those movies were made so that they could retain the rights to it.

582
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,880
So it's kind of like the, the nun movies.

583
00:41:53,880 --> 00:42:06,880
Oh, well, how like the first one was a movie that's like, oh, this is, it might sound like a great movie, but it's got the quality you would expect out of something released in theaters.

584
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:07,880
Mm hmm.

585
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:18,880
And then the sequels turn into, hey, this was like shot on this camcorder in someone's just house.

586
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:24,880
It almost looks like stuff that we shot in like high school.

587
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:26,880
Okay, wonderful.

588
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:28,880
Like the audio is terrible.

589
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:35,880
Every window is just blown out light from outside.

590
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,880
It like, it devolves into that level.

591
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:39,880
Yeah.

592
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:49,880
The Hellraiser doesn't go that to that level, but it's definitely a, hey, we're just churning out anything and just slapping the Hellraiser name on it.

593
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,880
Yeah, I mean, I'm morbidly curious.

594
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:55,880
I think that's just the best way to say that.

595
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:56,880
Yeah.

596
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:04,880
And it's just after the first trilogy, like the first three, it's just that until I think nine.

597
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:05,880
Nine.

598
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:06,880
Maybe.

599
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:07,880
Maybe.

600
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:14,880
No, there was one that, there was one that was like a reboot ish, but not like the most recent one.

601
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:19,880
And it felt like they put more effort into a story.

602
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:21,880
And it felt more like Hellraiser.

603
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:28,880
While all of the others are just, does this have anything to do with Hellraiser?

604
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:29,880
No.

605
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:30,880
Okay.

606
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:36,880
I think speaking as the producer of this podcast, bring a couple other ideas to the table.

607
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:37,880
Okay.

608
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:38,880
Okay.

609
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,880
I'm happy to do anything.

610
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,880
We're all here to have fun and talk about the movies we love.

611
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,880
But I'm just thinking like nine.

612
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,880
That's a big commitment for our listeners.

613
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:51,880
I think there's like a 11.

614
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:52,880
Oh my God.

615
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,880
Let me look up Hellraiser franchise.

616
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,880
I got to fact check myself now.

617
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:03,880
There's 11 Hellraiser movies at this point.

618
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:08,880
Okay. No, there are other franchises out there.

619
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:13,880
Thinking of Tremors, thinking of the Howling, thinking of the Scorpion King.

620
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:14,880
I don't know.

621
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,880
Scorpion King.

622
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,880
Keep that one on your list.

623
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:20,880
Okay.

624
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:21,880
Great.

625
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:22,880
Maybe I'll pitch it to the listeners.

626
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:27,880
You all, you all let us know what do you want Max to explore?

627
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:33,880
And we can, you know, it doesn't have to be an episode per movie.

628
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,880
It could just be, hey, we're going to take like three movies at a time because there's

629
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,880
not that much to talk about and they're almost the same.

630
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:41,880
That's true.

631
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:42,880
That's a good one.

632
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,880
Like three or four of them have the same twist ending.

633
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:47,880
And they're all back to back.

634
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:48,880
Actually, I like that.

635
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,880
So you could do Hellraiser in three episodes.

636
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:52,880
In chunks.

637
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:53,880
Yeah.

638
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:54,880
Okay.

639
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:56,880
I like that.

640
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:06,880
Also, you know, if anybody's interested, I did get the criterion Ingmar Bergman collection.

641
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:14,880
So if you want to listen to me ramble about Ingmar Bergman, it was entire filmography.

642
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:16,880
Yes.

643
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:25,880
I'm not going to say it's a, it's content for a show called.

644
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:26,880
Camp Kaiju.

645
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,880
I think what you can do is nothing to do with monsters.

646
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:31,880
Here's your challenge though.

647
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,880
But aren't we the monsters at heart?

648
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:40,880
Spoken like a true filmmaker, aficionado film lover.

649
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,880
So here's what you can do.

650
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:45,880
Do some episodes on Hellraiser.

651
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,880
But you're, you're a cultured person.

652
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:54,880
So you also watch the Ingmar Bergman films and let that let those inform the audience.

653
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,880
Let them inform your conversation on Hellraiser.

654
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,880
I should do compare and contrast.

655
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:02,880
Yes.

656
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:08,880
An episode comparing the Hellraiser franchise to Ingmar Bergman's filmography.

657
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,880
I think that fits the bill perfectly.

658
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:16,880
And see, you know, how are they different?

659
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:18,880
How are they similar?

660
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,880
I bet you would be surprised.

661
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:27,880
I can find connections where there aren't any.

662
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:34,880
That's what I'm pretty good at finding meaning where there isn't anything in movies that are slot.

663
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,880
Well, I think.

664
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,880
Hey, that's what we're all about here on Camp Kaiju.

665
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:41,880
That's film analysis.

666
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:46,880
That's, you know, when you study literature, that's what, that's what we do.

667
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:51,880
We, we draw meaning whether or not the filmmakers intended that meaning to be there.

668
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:52,880
It doesn't matter.

669
00:46:52,880 --> 00:47:01,880
There are common themes that run through every story, common symbols, metaphors, and you can just slap them on and they kind of just work.

670
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:03,880
They make sense whether they were intended or not.

671
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:05,880
Like I said, beauty of art.

672
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:06,880
Yeah.

673
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:08,880
Okay.

674
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:10,880
This is a great conversation.

675
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:15,880
I, I'm, I, I'm going to wrap it up because it's a school night for me and you and I can talk for three more.

676
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:17,880
Yeah, I don't have a job.

677
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,880
So, so, so I have to be the one to stop.

678
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,880
Thanks for hanging out friends.

679
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,880
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680
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,880
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681
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:52,880
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682
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:54,880
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683
00:47:54,880 --> 00:48:00,880
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684
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:09,880
Camp Kaiju is recorded in Minneapolis, St. Paul with MENIA's mailbox music by Ben Hooks Belts.

685
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:21,880
And now Camp Kaiju is still presenting our special series, Frozen with Fear, brought to you by Max Hannam and Corey Stewart.

686
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:28,880
We're the best of the US Coast Guard Cutter Polar Star at McMurdo Station in Arktica.

687
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:39,880
For those of you who listened before, you know Matt and I had just barely re-established radio contact after the previous attack win.

688
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:45,880
Ah, you know what? It doesn't matter. Max and Corey don't know that we've suffered.

689
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:49,880
Why should they when they're having so much fun?

690
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:51,880
We hope you do the same.

691
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:53,880
Welcome back.

692
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,880
Welcome back to Frozen with Fear.

693
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:03,880
The Patreon exclusive Camp Kaiju...

694
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:04,880
Stravaganza.

695
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:06,880
Stravaganza with your not your normal hosts.

696
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:07,880
Yep.

697
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:08,880
I'm Max Hannam.

698
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:10,880
I'm Corey Stewart.

699
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:17,880
And this is the fourth film that we're gonna cover in our Frozen with Fear series.

700
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:21,880
Just think of this as the fun after party after the thing.

701
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:27,880
The initial concept obviously being we were in Antarctica.

702
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:31,880
So we're just gonna watch some Antarctic movies and talk about them.

703
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:35,880
But notice I said we're, because now currently we are no longer in Antarctica.

704
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:37,880
Yeah, no, we are very close to the equator.

705
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,880
We are by the Galapagos at the moment.

706
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:41,880
Life here is weird.

707
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:43,880
Sailing our way back home.

708
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,880
It's warm. It's very hot.

709
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,880
But we're not gonna talk about how hot we are.

710
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,880
We're talking about how cold that skin is.

711
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,880
That's right. We're talking about 2017's Cold Skin.

712
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:57,880
Cold Skin, baby.

713
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:02,880
This is a movie that I have seen several times.

714
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:04,880
I've saw it a couple years back.

715
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:14,880
And I didn't know this until this trip this year that it does take place in Antarctica.

716
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:18,880
Yeah, I've only seen it the one time after you showed me.

717
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:27,880
And yeah, it's supposed to be on an island around the, I'm assuming the Antarctic Peninsula.

718
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:29,880
Like just south of South America.

719
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,880
I wouldn't imagine so because there is a lighthouse there.

720
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,880
That's why our characters are on this island down in Antarctica.

721
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,880
They are the weather official and the lighthouse official.

722
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:46,880
And it is their job to maintain the lighthouse and track weather in the southern most part of the world.

723
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:52,880
And a formerly well used shipping channel which is no longer used at all.

724
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:59,880
And we actually figured out that the movie actually did a pretty good job describing why they're there and why no one else is.

725
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:02,880
Yes. It's pretty good.

726
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:10,880
I give this movie a lot of credit for being such a small budgeted, not indie, but definitely a passion project.

727
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:18,880
Oh yes, it's, you can't really call it an indie film because it is a joint Spanish and French production.

728
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:19,880
Yes.

729
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:24,880
This is a foreign film, but it's all in English.

730
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,880
And let's just get into the general plot.

731
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:32,880
Yeah, I mean, he starts with our main character.

732
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:36,880
He is the replacement weather official for this little island.

733
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:44,880
A ship is taking him out to the island where he will presumably live six months for the year, I believe.

734
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:45,880
A year?

735
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:46,880
Yes.

736
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:53,880
Yes. And he's going to just be there on his lonesome, just tracking weather and trying not to go crazy.

737
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,880
Yep. He works for the British military.

738
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:57,880
Yes.

739
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:02,880
He's not necessarily a military man, but he works for the British military.

740
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,880
We don't know much about him, what he did in his previous life.

741
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:09,880
We just know that he's seeking solitude for unknown reasons.

742
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:10,880
Yes.

743
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:17,880
Because why would anybody want to spend a year on a little Antarctic rock?

744
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:21,880
So they can be alone with their thoughts and read Dante's Inferno.

745
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:22,880
Maybe.

746
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:27,880
But that's a continual theme with this movie.

747
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,880
Choosing to be in this seclusion.

748
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:37,880
Yes. Like why? What are they running away from? What are they trying to achieve by doing this?

749
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:44,880
So our weather official shows up with the crew of the vessel and they're unloading his things, the building.

750
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:49,880
It's a small wooden kind of a house.

751
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:54,880
I mean, it's a house. It's an olden house.

752
00:52:54,880 --> 00:53:00,880
This movie set just before World War I. It's like 1913 or so.

753
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:08,880
I think in the movie when he settled down in his house after he's finished unpacking, he reads the last newspaper that he had.

754
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:12,880
And it's something about like, oh, things not looking so good over in Europe.

755
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,880
What happened to the Archduke Franz Ferdinand?

756
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,880
Let's see what's going to happen out of this.

757
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:20,880
Maybe something.

758
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:24,880
But yeah, if you just imagine like a wooden house.

759
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:25,880
Yes.

760
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:26,880
From 100 years ago.

761
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:31,880
He's moving his stuff in. No one is there. The person he's supposed to replace is gone.

762
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:36,880
And the only other man-made structure is this massive lighthouse.

763
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:40,880
Massive. It's probably like three stories.

764
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:42,880
Pretty big. Considered the landscape.

765
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:43,880
Yes.

766
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:44,880
Pretty flat.

767
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,880
It's a rocky, no trees, sort of violence.

768
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:52,880
So they walk over there. They see a small little fountain, like a waterfall.

769
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:56,880
A fresh water. It says Gruner's water.

770
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:57,880
Gruner's water.

771
00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:59,880
That's Gruner's fountain.

772
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:10,880
That's our first introduction to the idea of Gruner and the obsessiveness and controllingness of Gruner.

773
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:21,880
Yes. So our weather official walks up to this lighthouse and he sees primitive wooden defenses, spikes sticking out of the windows along the tower.

774
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:23,880
Everything's barbed and everything's fortified.

775
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:25,880
What's this about?

776
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:29,880
So they just casually stroll in like any good defense would allow you to do.

777
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:35,880
And they see Gruner asleep.

778
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:37,880
He's naked.

779
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:38,880
Butt naked.

780
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,880
He's got long, gray beard, gray hair.

781
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:45,880
He looks like Discount Samuel. And I mean that in a nice way.

782
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:47,880
Oh, I mean, like the actor?

783
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:48,880
Yes.

784
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:53,880
This actor is the same. He was in Rome. The HBO show.

785
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:54,880
Oh, I see.

786
00:54:54,880 --> 00:55:02,880
As one of the characters, but his name. I think his name was Titus Pullis. In Rome.

787
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:06,880
So if you're familiar with that show, that's the guy. I can't remember his name.

788
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:10,880
In my mind, he looks like Sam Neal, but not exactly.

789
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:16,880
Sam Neal, obviously famous for the 70s possession film.

790
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:17,880
Yes.

791
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:19,880
And Jurassic Park also.

792
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:23,880
No, I think you're thinking Jurassic World's new dominion.

793
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:24,880
That's right.

794
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:28,880
Chris Pratt puts his hands up like this to stop the Raptors.

795
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:30,880
Yeah.

796
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:32,880
It's a bad movie.

797
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:34,880
No, it's great.

798
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,880
So that's our first introduction to Grunner.

799
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:42,880
He is very standoffish. Doesn't really want to talk to anybody.

800
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,880
He informs him that the previous weather observer is dead.

801
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:46,880
Typhus.

802
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:50,880
Typhus. That's all he says. Typhus.

803
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:56,880
And then the new weather observer. What is that character's name?

804
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:57,880
No idea.

805
00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:59,880
We'll just call him the weather observer.

806
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:00,880
Grunner calls him friend.

807
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:01,880
Friends.

808
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:02,880
Yeah.

809
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:03,880
I think that is actually his name.

810
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:04,880
And the credits.

811
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:07,880
I don't think this is a very stripped down movie.

812
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:08,880
Yes.

813
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,880
Grunner's name is Grunner.

814
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:15,880
The other, our main character's name, Grunner eventually is just like, I think I'll call

815
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:17,880
you friend, but that's later.

816
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:23,880
So the boat captain is like, I don't like this, but the weather official is like, you know,

817
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:25,880
I'm already here.

818
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:27,880
It seems a little odd, but I can take care of myself.

819
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:31,880
You know, thank you for getting me here, but I chose this.

820
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,880
And the ship sails off, leaving him alone.

821
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:35,880
Yep.

822
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,880
And he sets up, he puts his books on his bookshelf.

823
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:42,880
And then he settles in for a night like by the cozy fire.

824
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:46,880
He's going to read that newspaper about, oh, Archduke Ferdinand.

825
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:48,880
Open up in bed, happens out of this.

826
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:49,880
Yep.

827
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:50,880
He gets bored with that and starts reading.

828
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:55,880
He found the journal of the previous weather observer, the one who was died.

829
00:56:55,880 --> 00:57:00,880
And it's filled with, you know, notes of things that he did in his day to day and also like

830
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:07,880
sketches of, you know, bones of whales that have washed ashore, birds.

831
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,880
And also, he starts flipping the pages more.

832
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:15,880
It starts describing these strange creatures that keep coming out at night.

833
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:16,880
And then there's some pictures.

834
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:20,880
There's some fun pictures of toads.

835
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:26,880
Toad, like humanoid fish toad creatures.

836
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:30,880
Hybrids that have come out of the ocean and they eat people.

837
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:31,880
Yeah.

838
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:33,880
Or make love.

839
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:36,880
That's some of these drawings show.

840
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:37,880
Yes.

841
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:38,880
It's very salacious.

842
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:42,880
And our main character kind of just looks at this and goes, huh, that's odd.

843
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:43,880
Yeah.

844
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:48,880
I kind of wish he had more of a reaction because he really is just like, as if he was just

845
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:50,880
reading the newspaper.

846
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:52,880
About Archduke Ferdinand.

847
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:54,880
There was like almost no reaction.

848
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:56,880
Archduke was killed.

849
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,880
There's toads having sex with people.

850
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:01,880
This is all normal things.

851
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:02,880
Yes.

852
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:11,880
And that's, that kind of goes into my biggest complaint about this movie is it's enjoyable.

853
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:15,880
I'll just state that I did enjoy watching this movie.

854
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:21,880
I don't know when I'll watch it again because it feels like there's always something missing.

855
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:28,880
There's like a heart or I don't know, like there's a, it's just lacking something.

856
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:35,880
And then that him not having a reaction is like the perfect little thing to just focus in on that.

857
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:38,880
He doesn't have emotion behind his eyes.

858
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:40,880
It's 90% of a good movie.

859
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:41,880
Yes.

860
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:43,880
It's missing that last 90 is still a great score.

861
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:49,880
I mean, it's missing that 10% in my mind where it's like, ah, yes, there's one extra little

862
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:56,880
scene or emotion here would have put this performance or scene over the top into like a great.

863
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:57,880
Yeah.

864
00:58:57,880 --> 00:58:58,880
For me, it just feels hollow.

865
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:00,880
I could see that.

866
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:05,880
And it's in some scenes, some, some I would say that I really like, I genuinely enjoy this movie.

867
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:06,880
Oh, yes.

868
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:08,880
There are some great scenes in it.

869
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:09,880
There's really good character development.

870
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:11,880
There's good emotional moments.

871
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:13,880
There's way more emotion than I was thinking going into this movie.

872
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:17,880
I thought it was just going to be a dumb little deep one movie, but.

873
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:19,880
The deep ones look really cool.

874
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:20,880
They do.

875
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,880
Our toads is a Gruner, he refers to them.

876
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:24,880
They're not really toad-like.

877
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:26,880
The final makeup design is just.

878
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:27,880
These fish people.

879
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:28,880
Much more fish-like.

880
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,880
They do hop like toads.

881
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:32,880
Yeah.

882
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:34,880
And Gruner does call them toads.

883
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:43,880
And as we learned from looking on later, this was based off of a novel and they are way more toad-like in the end of the book.

884
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:44,880
Yes.

885
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:55,880
I think that's why there are, there's like a good, like great character development, a good emotional art for some of the characters.

886
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:56,880
Yeah.

887
00:59:56,880 --> 01:00:00,880
Is because it is based on that novel.

888
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:05,880
So like clearly the story is, had a lot of time and like work put into it.

889
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:10,880
This was clearly like a passion project where like no one was clamoring for a deep ones movie.

890
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:11,880
No.

891
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:16,880
And as producers went, I really would like to make this story a future film.

892
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:17,880
Yes.

893
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:18,880
I'm glad they did.

894
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:24,880
Honestly, it's very much, if you imagine the lighthouse but with deep ones, it's a similar sort of.

895
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:25,880
It's pretty similar to me.

896
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:26,880
Yeah.

897
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:33,880
Yeah, I just wish there was something more to give it some sort of thing because then the movie kind of drags on.

898
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:34,880
A little bit.

899
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:41,880
There's like halfway through, I'm like, all right, let's just get to the eventual end, I kind of see where it's going.

900
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:42,880
Let's just get there.

901
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:46,880
And there are some fun road stops along the way.

902
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:47,880
Yes.

903
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:50,880
Where we get some fun action scenes, some fun character scenes.

904
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:52,880
And let's get into that first action scene.

905
01:00:52,880 --> 01:01:03,880
Our character is as a breeding in his cabin and he hears something outside and he sees a webbed hand come out from under the door.

906
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:04,880
Yes.

907
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:06,880
And then he immediately stomps on it.

908
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:07,880
As you do.

909
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:08,880
As you do.

910
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:12,880
And then he starts to hear way more of him.

911
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:16,880
Yeah, and he looks out the window, there's like a flash of lightning and you see a bunch of them on the rocks.

912
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:22,880
Yeah, the lighting in that scene is really nice because it's all natural lighting or through the lighthouse that is constantly rotating.

913
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:23,880
Yep.

914
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:26,880
So you just get flashes of them running right outside.

915
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:28,880
Maybe it was a lightning, maybe it was just the lighthouse.

916
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:32,880
I think there's lightning in the scene that shows them the rocks, but I know what you're saying.

917
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:33,880
Yes.

918
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:40,880
And so he's very afraid and he spends that night in the small cellar in the house.

919
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:41,880
Yep.

920
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:43,880
They do break into the house.

921
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:46,880
You hear him ruffling about through his things.

922
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:48,880
They kind of just break the house.

923
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:51,880
He stabs one in the eye when it looks into a crack.

924
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:54,880
And then they all run off.

925
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:59,880
So he survives the night and he's just like, alright, I can't stay here anymore.

926
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:01,880
Yep, I want to go to the lighthouse.

927
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:05,880
I'm going to the lighthouse.

928
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:08,880
So he goes up to Groner.

929
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:09,880
He's like, let me in.

930
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:18,880
And Groner just throws his toilet bucket out the window and is like, yeah, should have stayed on the boat, mate.

931
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:20,880
Yep, this is the Monster Island.

932
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:21,880
This is the Monster Island.

933
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:22,880
Didn't you know that?

934
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,880
I do really appreciate how this movie doesn't...

935
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:27,880
It doesn't waste time getting to the monsters.

936
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:32,880
No, it is within 10 minutes of the movie starting, like you're just in it.

937
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:41,880
Yep, and our characters, they don't have that kind of annoying reaction of did I dream that or this couldn't possibly be real.

938
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:47,880
Our main character instantly goes into, well, if you won't let me in the lighthouse, I have to defend my house.

939
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:51,880
And he starts like boarding up windows and setting traps.

940
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:56,880
And it's a fun little montage where he's just like, I thought this was going to be a nice vacation.

941
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:59,880
He's got so much guns and ammunition.

942
01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:09,880
Yeah, well, I mean, he's in the military and presumably if a boat came by, maybe that's where they get resupplied is like a tertiary purpose.

943
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:10,880
Yeah, maybe.

944
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:16,880
But it's just, I remember he's just seen really drum packing everything.

945
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:17,880
A lot of gun bullets.

946
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:19,880
And it's just crates and crates of bullets.

947
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:27,880
It's like, okay, I can see how they have enough ammunition to keep fighting these monsters later in the movie.

948
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:29,880
It doesn't make you question that at all.

949
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:30,880
No, no.

950
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:32,880
But so he fortifies.

951
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:33,880
Yeah.

952
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:35,880
It goes horrible.

953
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:38,880
Yeah, it seems to start to go well.

954
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:40,880
He has the technological advantage.

955
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:45,880
He has guns and he's got them all lined up on this little table.

956
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:46,880
He's ready to go.

957
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:51,880
And then he just, for some reason, sets his house on fire.

958
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:54,880
It was kind of a good idea in theory.

959
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:59,880
He felt like this little trench around his house with some burnables and some gasoline.

960
01:03:59,880 --> 01:04:04,880
And then he let that on fire as like, okay, if they start to push in too close, I'll do that.

961
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:07,880
But it didn't go well and it caught his door on fire.

962
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:09,880
Yes, because it was way too close to the house.

963
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:10,880
It was way too close.

964
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:11,880
He's not a soldier.

965
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:12,880
He is.

966
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:14,880
No, he's not a soldier.

967
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:19,880
I get the idea that he's like a military contractor.

968
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:21,880
Like he just works for the military.

969
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:25,880
But he's not like a, he didn't go to boot camp or anything like that.

970
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:27,880
Yeah, he knows how to shoot a rifle and that's about it.

971
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:28,880
Yes.

972
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:35,880
And so he catches his house on fire and he wraps himself in a blanket, trudges out into

973
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:37,880
the cold and dark of the island.

974
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:42,880
And thankfully, it starts raining and that saves some of his life.

975
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:47,880
It starts raining and that saves some of his supplies, but it does not save his house.

976
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:48,880
No.

977
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:50,880
So half of his house is destroyed.

978
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:53,880
He can, he literally cannot defend himself in there anymore.

979
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:54,880
He has to go to the lighthouse.

980
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:58,880
He has to get on Grunner's good graces.

981
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:00,880
And how does he do that?

982
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:02,880
He stalks Grunner with a rifle.

983
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:03,880
Yes.

984
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:09,880
And is almost prepared to kill him until the mascot shows up.

985
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:10,880
Yes.

986
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:14,880
He comes across one of these deep ones.

987
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:18,880
We're just going to call them deep ones because that's just clearly the inspiration.

988
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:20,880
HB Lovecraft's deep ones.

989
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:26,880
If you're familiar, if not, go read the Shadow Over in Smith or watch Dagon.

990
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:27,880
Watch Dagon.

991
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:28,880
Thank you, Stuart Gordon.

992
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:30,880
Thank you, Stuart Gordon.

993
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:36,880
Dagon is the definitive adaptation of that story.

994
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:38,880
It is a great movie.

995
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:40,880
I was a boy.

996
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:42,880
I was a boy.

997
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:44,880
He was a boy.

998
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:46,880
Sorry, that's a quote from Dagon.

999
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:47,880
Go watch Dagon.

1000
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:48,880
Thank you, Stuart Gordon.

1001
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:49,880
Thank you.

1002
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:56,880
So as he is drawing a bead with his rifle on Grunner from the fountain, one of these

1003
01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:58,880
deep ones growls at him.

1004
01:05:58,880 --> 01:05:59,880
And this is a different deep one.

1005
01:05:59,880 --> 01:06:01,880
You can tell that this one's a female.

1006
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:03,880
She's wearing a sweater.

1007
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:05,880
She's wearing like a potato sack.

1008
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:06,880
Yeah.

1009
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:07,880
Some kind of dirty clothes.

1010
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:12,880
She's wearing clothes, but it's very much a potato sack type of thing.

1011
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:15,880
You know, our main character fights with this one, and then he draws his rifle on her,

1012
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:19,880
and then Grunner steps out and was like, no, no, no, don't kill that one.

1013
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:20,880
That one's mine.

1014
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:22,880
That one's mine.

1015
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:28,880
And they just get into a little conversation about like, you know, what's going on?

1016
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:29,880
Why didn't you tell me?

1017
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:31,880
Why is this one special?

1018
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:33,880
Can I live in your lighthouse, sir?

1019
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:35,880
Yep.

1020
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:42,880
And I mean, really, it just comes out that Grunner's like keeping this deep one almost

1021
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:46,880
like a, he treats her like a dog, like very much like a pet.

1022
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:47,880
Yes.

1023
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:48,880
Very short commands.

1024
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:51,880
Not afraid to just like give a kick here and there.

1025
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:52,880
Yeah.

1026
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:56,880
He, our main character asks like, oh, has she ever bitten you?

1027
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:58,880
And he's like, only once.

1028
01:06:58,880 --> 01:06:59,880
Just once.

1029
01:06:59,880 --> 01:07:09,880
It's definitely like trying to play at your emotions, like your empathy for this character.

1030
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:15,880
Yeah, they refer to her as the mascot for the beginning portion of this film, which I love.

1031
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:16,880
Yes.

1032
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:24,880
Some kind of an idea of a mascot for just a two man team of them is killing deep ones.

1033
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:32,880
She's definitely a, initially at least, you think of her almost like a, like an abused dog.

1034
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:33,880
Yes.

1035
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:41,880
So they come to an agreement that he, at that scene, he's like, I think I'll call you friend

1036
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:48,880
and friend and Grunner go to live in the lighthouse because our main character is like, I've got ammunition.

1037
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:49,880
I've got coffee.

1038
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:51,880
I've got gin.

1039
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:52,880
Gin, yeah.

1040
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:54,880
Because Grunner's like, do you have vodka?

1041
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:55,880
He's like, nah, I've got gin.

1042
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:56,880
He's like, ah, ah.

1043
01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:58,880
So we bribed his way into the lighthouse.

1044
01:07:58,880 --> 01:07:59,880
Yes.

1045
01:07:59,880 --> 01:08:01,880
He's got something offered to Grunner.

1046
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:07,880
So they get all of their equipment and quickly run back to the lighthouse just as the sun is about to set.

1047
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:12,880
And that's when we learned that these creatures do not like the light, human or divine.

1048
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:17,880
No, which is weird because a mascot comes out.

1049
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:18,880
She's fine.

1050
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:19,880
She's different though.

1051
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:22,880
You can tell she thinks more.

1052
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:23,880
Maybe.

1053
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:24,880
Than the others.

1054
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:25,880
We don't really get too much.

1055
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:29,880
We always see just waves of them coming to attack at night.

1056
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:30,880
Yes.

1057
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:36,880
And then we get a great scene as a test for friends.

1058
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:37,880
Yes.

1059
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:46,880
They, Grunner and friend go out onto the lighthouse and they're going to prep to defend themselves from the hordes of...

1060
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:47,880
Grunner's got his rifle.

1061
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:49,880
He's got a sawed off double barrel.

1062
01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:50,880
Yep.

1063
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:53,880
He's got like a sight and a knife on his boot.

1064
01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:58,880
And then he looks over at friend and he's just got a little tiny two inch pocket blade and his rifle.

1065
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:01,880
And he's like, well, you take what you can get.

1066
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:02,880
Yep.

1067
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:14,880
But then as they start fighting, like the deep ones start climbing up and they're attacking him off, Grunner just slowly goes back inside.

1068
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:15,880
He just creeps back.

1069
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:18,880
And then just closes the door.

1070
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:23,880
He's got this massive like cranked open storm break door.

1071
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:26,880
It's just a massive sheet of heavy metal that just slams over.

1072
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:28,880
So he ain't getting back inside.

1073
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:32,880
He's stuck out on the balcony of his lighthouse and sink or swim moment.

1074
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:34,880
He has to kill.

1075
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:36,880
So I don't know how he did that based on what we see later.

1076
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:37,880
Yeah.

1077
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:38,880
It looks to be on a small wave.

1078
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:44,880
It's another inconsistency with this movie.

1079
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:46,880
Because friend survives.

1080
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:51,880
It seemingly like he's fighting all night, like hours and hours just killing after another.

1081
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:54,880
And then Grunner goes out in the morning and he's just sitting there.

1082
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:55,880
And that was Grunner's test.

1083
01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:57,880
Like, all right, all right, you're useful to me.

1084
01:09:57,880 --> 01:09:59,880
I can use you on top of all the things that you brought me.

1085
01:09:59,880 --> 01:10:00,880
Yes.

1086
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:10,880
But then it immediately like over the subsequent nights during these attacks, friend is, he just keeps like checking it out.

1087
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:11,880
Yeah.

1088
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:14,880
And he's like, I can't do this.

1089
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:18,880
And it's so weird because it's like the film is already established.

1090
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:20,880
He can hold his own.

1091
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:27,880
If you wanted to scene where he's like being a little like weak in the heart or like not having courage.

1092
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:30,880
So there was one night before the test night.

1093
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:37,880
There was one night where Grunner is out with him and he's like, don't fire until like he's in the light of their eyes.

1094
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:39,880
Which Grunner just starts blasting.

1095
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:40,880
Yeah.

1096
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:42,880
And it's like, hold, hold.

1097
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:44,880
Again, another inconsistency.

1098
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:45,880
Sometimes they're firing.

1099
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:49,880
They're like waiting till right there, like till they're right at the balcony.

1100
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:51,880
Other times they're just shooting as soon as they come out of the water.

1101
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:52,880
Yeah.

1102
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:53,880
Which I don't know.

1103
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:56,880
I think it's kind of funny sometimes where it's, sometimes Grunner just wants to kill.

1104
01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:58,880
He's got like a bloodlust against these, these toes.

1105
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:03,880
I kind of want to think it's intentional of, oh, he, they think they're being tactical.

1106
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:05,880
But in reality, they're just shooting.

1107
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:07,880
They have no plan.

1108
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:08,880
They're not trained.

1109
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:15,880
So there is a one night where our main character kind of like backs into the lighthouse and he just is watching Grunner from the back.

1110
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:19,880
Just like sight these guys down.

1111
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:22,880
He's just like, what the heck did I walk into?

1112
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:23,880
Yes.

1113
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:27,880
So they have the one scene before he stays up all night trapped out there.

1114
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:29,880
But then they keep doing that.

1115
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:35,880
Like there's a couple more times where he's like, I don't know if I have the courage to keep going, to keep doing this.

1116
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:37,880
It's like we've, we're past that.

1117
01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:42,880
Yeah. There's a, there's a scene where he's like, well, I, why don't we signal for a passing ship and get off this island?

1118
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:45,880
Or why didn't Grunner, why didn't you leave when my replacement showed up?

1119
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:47,880
And he's just like, I like it here.

1120
01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:49,880
Grunner, big fan of the island.

1121
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:50,880
Yes.

1122
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:51,880
He loves it here.

1123
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:54,880
So Grunner talks in third person, which is very fun.

1124
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:55,880
Grunner is fantastic.

1125
01:11:55,880 --> 01:12:05,880
But again, it's continuing the, like that motif of questioning or bringing up the questions of why are these, why are they here?

1126
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:07,880
What are their motivations?

1127
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:09,880
Clearly Grunner wants to stay on the island.

1128
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:11,880
We don't know why particularly.

1129
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:13,880
We also don't know how long he has been there.

1130
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:19,880
Yes. I mean, the way his beard and his hair look, it's been like three, four, five years.

1131
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:23,880
And he just, yeah, he could have left at any point.

1132
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:26,880
They say, oh, well, I'll signal a passing ship.

1133
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:29,880
And Grunner says, there's not really a lot of passing ships here.

1134
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:32,880
Honestly, we're kind of just here to like balance a Navy budget.

1135
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:33,880
Yep.

1136
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:38,880
And this shipping route barely used anymore.

1137
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:41,880
Mostly just smugglers and they ain't stopping here anyway.

1138
01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:42,880
Yes.

1139
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:47,880
So at this point, we still don't know why Grunner wants to stay.

1140
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:52,880
But we get the impression, you know, he's just not a guy who fits in with society.

1141
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:55,880
He just likes to just kill things.

1142
01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:59,880
And it turns out he doesn't just like killing these things.

1143
01:12:59,880 --> 01:13:02,880
Slow dramatic pause.

1144
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:07,880
So friend, friend, he starts, he's sleeping in the lighthouse.

1145
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:11,880
And he's here in weird things from up top.

1146
01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:14,880
And he goes out to get water from the fountain.

1147
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:19,880
And he comes back and he looks into the Grunner's room to give him a bucket of water.

1148
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:21,880
And what does he see?

1149
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:25,880
But naked Grunner just going to town on the mascot.

1150
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:26,880
Yeah.

1151
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:28,880
He's having sex with toads.

1152
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:31,880
He's having sex with the fish people.

1153
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:33,880
And so that now...

1154
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:40,880
We see a cold, slimy fish hand come up and hug Grunner.

1155
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:46,880
I think it was actually in the subsequent scene where Friends uses the title of the film.

1156
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:47,880
Because...

1157
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:50,880
How could he not be repulsed by her cold skin?

1158
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:52,880
By her cold skin.

1159
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:56,880
It's a good title.

1160
01:13:56,880 --> 01:13:57,880
Oh, yes.

1161
01:13:57,880 --> 01:13:58,880
Good line, good title.

1162
01:13:58,880 --> 01:13:59,880
I like this movie.

1163
01:13:59,880 --> 01:14:00,880
It's weird, but it's good.

1164
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:10,880
But that's the moment where with mascot, her role kind of shifts to where it's like we think of her less as like an animal and more as just like a person.

1165
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:11,880
Yes.

1166
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:19,880
She starts to develop more character and she's shown like wailing at night when they're just murdering her people.

1167
01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:20,880
Yep.

1168
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:21,880
We see her...

1169
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:24,880
She's almost like a siren for their attack.

1170
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:29,880
She's just like a strange call that kind of forebows an attack.

1171
01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:39,880
She'll like bring them like seafood, like kind of things to eat or just whatever things that she finds while she's swimming around.

1172
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:48,880
She does this one fun thing where she just, she puts rocks on things because as Grunner says, she's afraid they're going to float away.

1173
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:49,880
Oh, yeah.

1174
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:54,880
She's kind of, it hints so subtly at like some kind of tote culture underwater.

1175
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:55,880
Yes.

1176
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:56,880
What are you talking about?

1177
01:14:56,880 --> 01:15:02,880
Because, you know, they live underwater so they put rocks on things from moving.

1178
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:03,880
It's like I love that.

1179
01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:06,880
That's such a small moment where I'm like, yeah, I like that.

1180
01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:10,880
Apparently also her saliva, like she's got a really long tongue.

1181
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:15,880
So friend gets injured so she goes up to it and starts licking the wound on his arm.

1182
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:19,880
And it shows that it heals, makes it heal rather quickly.

1183
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:22,880
Not like super fast, but pretty quickly.

1184
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:31,880
But her and friend starts getting more comfortable with each other because at first he was like very repulsed by her.

1185
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:35,880
But then she's proved that, oh, she's like nice, she's helpful.

1186
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:38,880
She's not really wanting to cause any trouble.

1187
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:40,880
She's proved to be like intelligent.

1188
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:46,880
And all three of these characters start to kind of fall into this rhythm of monotony.

1189
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:48,880
They're just living their life.

1190
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:50,880
They're getting attacked at night.

1191
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:52,880
Not every night, but it's most nights.

1192
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:54,880
And sometimes it's a week and they haven't been attacked.

1193
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:56,880
It starts getting more infrequent.

1194
01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:57,880
Yes.

1195
01:15:57,880 --> 01:16:04,880
And I think when he showed up, it kind of spurred on an attack like every night with him like showing up.

1196
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:09,880
Because a boat came, a new person was there, that new person killed,

1197
01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:12,880
and it kind of just spurred them into attacking more frequently.

1198
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:15,880
And then as time goes on, it kind of...

1199
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:23,880
Well, the film heavily implies that these attacks are happening because mascot, who...

1200
01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:26,880
I think we hear once in the movie, her name is Anaris.

1201
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:29,880
Our main character decides to give her that name.

1202
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:33,880
Yes, so she officially gets a name, so we're just gonna say Anaris for now.

1203
01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:34,880
Or maybe not.

1204
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:35,880
I want mascot.

1205
01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:37,880
You'll say mascot, I'll say Anaris.

1206
01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:46,880
Because at this point, she's very much her own character in this story.

1207
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:50,880
She starts calling all these attacks every night, probably because she's depressed.

1208
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:54,880
It's almost like an abusive relationship at this point, no longer an abusive animal with Gruner.

1209
01:16:54,880 --> 01:17:01,880
But like, oh, he's like a spouse of, like, abuser or something.

1210
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:08,880
But then, as she interacts more with friends, she's like, oh, maybe I'm not so depressed.

1211
01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:15,880
Like, he's bringing joy and happiness, so the attacks get less frequent because, oh, she's like, not depressed.

1212
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:21,880
And during this lull, Gruner and friends start to, you know, not become friends,

1213
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:24,880
but become more acquainted with each other.

1214
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:26,880
They're living in the lighthouse, they're working together.

1215
01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:34,880
And then when Anaris starts, you know, getting closer with friend, it kind of makes Gruner unhappy.

1216
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:37,880
Yeah, you get a little bit of almost like a, not quite a love triangle.

1217
01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:39,880
Not yet anyways.

1218
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:43,880
But the formings of one start to appear.

1219
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:48,880
Because again, as firmly established at the beginning, Gruner's a possessive.

1220
01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:50,880
Yes, Gruner's fountain.

1221
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:51,880
This is Gruner's island.

1222
01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:53,880
This is Gruner's lighthouse.

1223
01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:55,880
This is Gruner's fish mate.

1224
01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:57,880
This is Gruner's fish.

1225
01:17:57,880 --> 01:17:59,880
Yes.

1226
01:17:59,880 --> 01:18:02,880
He likes being in control.

1227
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:04,880
He likes hoarding things.

1228
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:06,880
Yes.

1229
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:12,880
And there's a great scene where the two men, they start playing chess together.

1230
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:22,880
And Gruner, who's been shown to be, you know, this tactical man, you know, who declared like a one man war against this army of fish people,

1231
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:27,880
and is shown to be very efficient at the art of war, immediately loses in a chess game.

1232
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:28,880
Yes.

1233
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:32,880
And Gruner immediately starts going like, no, no, no, no, no, no, this can't happen.

1234
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:40,880
Yes, he starts breaking down hard as soon as he loses any sort of like, just the slightest bit of control.

1235
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:48,880
Yes, and this is a great scene because it also leads into a fun action scene where not only did they, they hadn't been attacked in a while,

1236
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:53,880
so they started playing chess when they should have been standing watch, the sun went down.

1237
01:18:53,880 --> 01:18:54,880
Yes.

1238
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:56,880
And one of the fish men is at the window.

1239
01:18:56,880 --> 01:18:57,880
Yep, he's just there.

1240
01:18:57,880 --> 01:18:59,880
He's just there.

1241
01:18:59,880 --> 01:19:09,880
And they, you know, they quickly trying to scramble to get things ready, and they end up getting locked inside of the dome that night.

1242
01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:17,880
Yes, so at the very top of the lighthouse, there's the dome where the glass walls, the lenses go out.

1243
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:26,880
They get pushed all the way back up until there, and they're just trapped in that tiny little room, and Gruner starts to sing a song.

1244
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:28,880
Oh yeah, I forgot about that.

1245
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:33,880
And I could just imagine a friend being like, how could it get any worse?

1246
01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:34,880
And then Gruner starts singing.

1247
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:35,880
And then Gruner starts singing.

1248
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:40,880
Um, what happened after that?

1249
01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:46,880
Well, the sun came up and they left, but they literally were, the, the, the toads were outside the glass all night.

1250
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:53,880
Yeah, well, I have a blank spot in my mind, and I think this is where the movie starts to slow down.

1251
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:54,880
This is...

1252
01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:59,880
Of like, from that point until kind of like the last 15 minutes.

1253
01:19:59,880 --> 01:20:08,880
Uh, so at this point, um, they've been like just fighting and living in this weird kind of lifestyle every so often.

1254
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:12,880
And you can see it in a friend's face that his beard is starting to grown out.

1255
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:18,880
Uh, I believe this is when he like goes back and he sees it like a mirror of himself in his old cottage where he was like the first night.

1256
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:19,880
Oh yeah.

1257
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:22,880
He cuts his beard a little bit, you know, gets a little bit warmer.

1258
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:24,880
It's the worst beard makeup.

1259
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:25,880
It's not great.

1260
01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:27,880
Because they clearly don't have a budget, so when he's...

1261
01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:28,880
Cutting.

1262
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:32,880
...shaving his beard, he's like doing the tiniest little snips on it.

1263
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:33,880
Because you know they only have the one take?

1264
01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:34,880
Yeah, or like...

1265
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:36,880
When he looked grizzled, it looked good.

1266
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:38,880
Yes, but when he's...

1267
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:40,880
But he didn't look civilized, and that's the point.

1268
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:42,880
They need him to look civilized.

1269
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:46,880
The shot is his face in close-up and he's just doing these little snips, you can tell.

1270
01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:48,880
It's like they only have the one beard makeup.

1271
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:54,880
Um, so he does that and that's when he finally starts to get close with, uh, Anaris.

1272
01:20:54,880 --> 01:21:00,880
That's when he gives her the name and that's when they actually do, uh, he sees her in a pool and he goes in.

1273
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:01,880
It's like a hot spring or something.

1274
01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:05,880
Yeah, that's been a recurring thing of occasionally he'll see her just swimming in there.

1275
01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:12,880
Um, while he's going around the island during the day, doing his daily chores, his girder has him do like all the chores.

1276
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:16,880
You know, gather lumber for defenses, give water for the night.

1277
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:18,880
And when they say gathered lumber...

1278
01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:19,880
It's literally just like...

1279
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:24,880
Oh, we're gonna go to the burned house and just start taking the wood from there because there aren't any trees on the island.

1280
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:26,880
Or just pick up sticks that have washed ashore.

1281
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:27,880
Yeah, just just wood.

1282
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:29,880
That are like super tiny.

1283
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:32,880
Um, and that's when he gets in the pool with her.

1284
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:40,880
Yep, and it's... he starts swimming closer to her and they're both smiling at each other and then Grooners face just pops out from a rock watching him and be like,

1285
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:43,880
You mother fucker.

1286
01:21:45,880 --> 01:21:49,880
And then, yep, he, uh, he also, friend also has sex with that fish person.

1287
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:51,880
Yes, he also has sex with that fish person.

1288
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:53,880
Apparently he can now stand here cold, cold skin.

1289
01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:55,880
Cold, cold skin.

1290
01:21:55,880 --> 01:21:57,880
And that cold water, they're in Antarctica.

1291
01:21:57,880 --> 01:21:58,880
It's probably cold water.

1292
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:00,880
There are no hot springs in Antarctica.

1293
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:02,880
Well, there's volcanoes.

1294
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:03,880
There are.

1295
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:06,880
So maybe that was, there's like a full... maybe it's volcano.

1296
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:07,880
It's not volcanic.

1297
01:22:07,880 --> 01:22:08,880
It's not. I'll give it to you.

1298
01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:09,880
But okay.

1299
01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:12,880
But, you know, weird hot spring on this tiny rock of an island.

1300
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:15,880
Well, maybe friend is developing cold skin.

1301
01:22:17,880 --> 01:22:20,880
Um, so this is when Grooners is unhappy with him.

1302
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:28,880
Yep, they start actually, um, having a lot of just confrontations because Grooners obviously getting jealous.

1303
01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:31,880
He's losing control of the situation, his perfect little life he's building.

1304
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:32,880
He's losing control.

1305
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:34,880
He's being torn apart by this one guy.

1306
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:38,880
Uh, meanwhile this guy has, uh, he's taken a whale bone, uh, our main character,

1307
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:40,880
and he starts whittling it into the shape of a boat.

1308
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:42,880
Oh, yes.

1309
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:44,880
And, uh, and Anaris sees that and goes,

1310
01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:49,880
Oh, hey, I know what that is, and she brings him to a small rowboat.

1311
01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:51,880
Yes.

1312
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:53,880
And he's just like, I could fix this up.

1313
01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:56,880
I could get out of here, which, he's in Antarctica.

1314
01:22:56,880 --> 01:22:58,880
It's so far.

1315
01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:00,880
Hey, Shackleton did it.

1316
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:01,880
You're not wrong.

1317
01:23:01,880 --> 01:23:05,880
Um, so he's like, I can use this, I can get out of here.

1318
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:09,880
He talks to Grooners, and Grooners is just like, oh yeah, boat's broken.

1319
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:14,880
Uh, it was some, uh, smuggler ship that went down, uh, like, uh,

1320
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:15,880
It was Portuguese.

1321
01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:21,880
Uh, they sank, and they came to the shore, and they were eaten by toads,

1322
01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:25,880
and our main character's like, oh, and I'm sure you did everything you could to save him.

1323
01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:29,880
And he's like, yeah, well, you know, they were dynamite smugglers.

1324
01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:31,880
And he's like, dynamite, you say?

1325
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:32,880
Oh, we can use dynamite.

1326
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:34,880
We can use dynamite to kill them.

1327
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:36,880
And he's like, oh, this guy Grooners interested.

1328
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:40,880
And that immediately, Grooners was like, oh, wow, I didn't think about blowing him up.

1329
01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:46,880
So they go on those little rowboats to the site of the sunken Portuguese smuggling ship.

1330
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:49,880
They have that old school diving suit.

1331
01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:50,880
Yeah, I don't know.

1332
01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:52,880
Uh, they showed it earlier.

1333
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:55,880
But it's also just like, why is it there?

1334
01:23:55,880 --> 01:23:58,880
You know, uh, convenience.

1335
01:23:58,880 --> 01:23:59,880
Yeah, convenience.

1336
01:23:59,880 --> 01:24:01,880
You just collect nautical things.

1337
01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:06,880
I just, so this whole scene is very problematic for me.

1338
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:07,880
Yeah.

1339
01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:08,880
On multiple levels.

1340
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:09,880
One.

1341
01:24:09,880 --> 01:24:15,880
So the goal is to go diving for dynamite.

1342
01:24:15,880 --> 01:24:16,880
Yes.

1343
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:20,880
Now, and Grooners immediately just like that dynamite waterlock by now.

1344
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:22,880
It's all bad.

1345
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:23,880
Spoiler alert.

1346
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:25,880
They end up getting a box of usable dynamite.

1347
01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:28,880
There, I think they pull three boxes and two of them are waterlogged.

1348
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:29,880
Yes.

1349
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:31,880
One is the seal held.

1350
01:24:31,880 --> 01:24:33,880
There's no seals on these.

1351
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:34,880
Yes, there are.

1352
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:36,880
On those crates, there are no seals.

1353
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:38,880
It does like metal tin boxes.

1354
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:40,880
And that's my first problem.

1355
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:41,880
The inconsistency with that.

1356
01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:42,880
It's fine.

1357
01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:44,880
It's a small nitpick.

1358
01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:46,880
And it got us a cool dynamite scene.

1359
01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:47,880
So I won't allow it.

1360
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:53,880
But the other big thing is as friend, friend is the one who dons the diving suits and goes

1361
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:55,880
into the water to start looking because Grooners doesn't really care.

1362
01:24:55,880 --> 01:24:58,880
He kind of was dynamite, but he doesn't want to risk too much for it.

1363
01:24:58,880 --> 01:24:59,880
Yeah.

1364
01:24:59,880 --> 01:25:02,880
So friend has some issues down there.

1365
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:04,880
Is what else is in the water?

1366
01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:05,880
Obviously the deep ones.

1367
01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:07,880
Deep ones are down there.

1368
01:25:07,880 --> 01:25:09,880
But they look like smaller ones.

1369
01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:11,880
So this is the first time we see children.

1370
01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:12,880
Yeah.

1371
01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:13,880
We presume it.

1372
01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:14,880
It's like a child-sized ones.

1373
01:25:14,880 --> 01:25:16,880
We presume it's having a little bit more playful attitude.

1374
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:18,880
It's not trying to attack them.

1375
01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:21,880
It's just kind of just like swimming around and it scares them.

1376
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:24,880
So it makes him fall over and those diving suits are very heavy.

1377
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:25,880
Yes.

1378
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:26,880
He cannot get up.

1379
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:30,880
And he starts like tugging on the line for Grooner to help.

1380
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:34,880
And Grooner sees that and he goes, well, I already have the dynamite.

1381
01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:35,880
Yeah.

1382
01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:37,880
He's already brought the dynamite up.

1383
01:25:37,880 --> 01:25:43,880
And Grooner up until this point has become more hostile, more jealous.

1384
01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:47,880
And it's clearly been implied he wants to kill friend.

1385
01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:50,880
So he's clearly struggling down there.

1386
01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:51,880
What does friend do?

1387
01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:53,880
He stops pumping his air.

1388
01:25:53,880 --> 01:25:55,880
They have a little machine up there.

1389
01:25:55,880 --> 01:25:56,880
Oh yes.

1390
01:25:56,880 --> 01:25:57,880
Yes.

1391
01:25:57,880 --> 01:26:01,880
These diving suits you need someone to constantly pumping air through a little hand crank system.

1392
01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:03,880
And he sees that and he goes, well, I have the dynamite.

1393
01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:04,880
I can just stop.

1394
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:05,880
And he just stops.

1395
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:11,880
And so friend is down there just slowly suffocating, like running out of oxygen in his diving suit.

1396
01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:13,880
But then suddenly...

1397
01:26:13,880 --> 01:26:19,880
Well, so these old diving suits have like a, essentially an emergency hatch.

1398
01:26:19,880 --> 01:26:20,880
Yes.

1399
01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:23,880
Which lets the air that's inside escape.

1400
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:25,880
And then you would go up with it.

1401
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:26,880
Yes.

1402
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:29,880
Presumably with the pressure of the air kind of helping you go up.

1403
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:31,880
It's just a way to escape.

1404
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:32,880
And so friend does do that.

1405
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:33,880
Yes.

1406
01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:34,880
He gets out of the water.

1407
01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:36,880
He gets up to the boat.

1408
01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:38,880
And Grooner's kind of just like, oh yeah, hey.

1409
01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:40,880
Oh hey, how's it going?

1410
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:41,880
Well, he's never any mention of it.

1411
01:26:41,880 --> 01:26:44,880
Grooner was clearly trying to kill him.

1412
01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:46,880
Grooner does give him a jacket.

1413
01:26:46,880 --> 01:26:49,880
But then afterwards, friend doesn't mention it.

1414
01:26:49,880 --> 01:26:51,880
Grooner's just sort of like, oh darn.

1415
01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:53,880
I guess that didn't work.

1416
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:54,880
That's his mentality.

1417
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:55,880
And then just starts helping him.

1418
01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:58,880
And he's like suddenly no longer hostile towards him.

1419
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:05,880
Well, so he is still hostile, but I think the initial gain of getting all this dynamite.

1420
01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:06,880
Yes.

1421
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:09,880
He immediately is just like, oh friend helped again.

1422
01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:15,880
So he's kind of just, I think it's that like, he's so childlike that essentially if like,

1423
01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:17,880
he's like, I don't like this guy.

1424
01:27:17,880 --> 01:27:18,880
I don't like this guy.

1425
01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:19,880
And then he gives him a gift.

1426
01:27:19,880 --> 01:27:21,880
He goes, okay, I kind of like him again.

1427
01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:24,880
But he was killing him after he got the dynamite.

1428
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:26,880
Yeah, but he also didn't know that.

1429
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:27,880
No, it's good.

1430
01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:29,880
Look, the movie's a little inconsistent.

1431
01:27:29,880 --> 01:27:32,880
And that's where I'm saying it's like, there's that little bit.

1432
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:37,880
Those moments are what contribute to me feeling like there's a hollowness to the movie.

1433
01:27:37,880 --> 01:27:38,880
Yes.

1434
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:44,880
It's like really his only reaction was, oh yeah, I guess welcome back.

1435
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:48,880
I will say I didn't need another scene with him fighting after that.

1436
01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:58,880
No, but it could, there could have been a culminating sort of scene where it's like, hey, this feud gets going on between them,

1437
01:27:58,880 --> 01:28:00,880
gets hashed out for good.

1438
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:03,880
And then afterwards it's like, they've moved on.

1439
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:04,880
Like this, this fight is over.

1440
01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:06,880
That would have been a good point.

1441
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:09,880
But we never, we never get that.

1442
01:28:09,880 --> 01:28:11,880
We get a confrontation all right.

1443
01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:15,880
Not off of this dilemma.

1444
01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:17,880
It's always, it's the larger.

1445
01:28:17,880 --> 01:28:19,880
It's always the bigger idea.

1446
01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:20,880
Yes.

1447
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:24,880
But now, well I wonder, now there's dynamite.

1448
01:28:24,880 --> 01:28:32,880
But I wonder if all of these arguments or like sort of arcs that happen, these character arcs,

1449
01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:35,880
are further developed in the book.

1450
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:40,880
And that it's just a matter of during the adaptation because this is a lower budget.

1451
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:48,880
And we need to skip things for time because honestly, like we do say, it drags a bit in that middle sequence with dynamite and before that.

1452
01:28:48,880 --> 01:28:53,880
So I wonder if it's played out more in the novel and it doesn't feel that way.

1453
01:28:53,880 --> 01:28:57,880
Because this movie was made for what, eight and a half million euros.

1454
01:28:57,880 --> 01:28:58,880
Yes.

1455
01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:01,880
So it's two countries to make this thing happen.

1456
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:06,880
It is very low budget and it's great for like.

1457
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:12,880
What they were able to do with the fish makeup, this is a limited CG of like the mobs of fish people.

1458
01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:17,880
The like historically accurate setting and like just set dressing.

1459
01:29:17,880 --> 01:29:18,880
All great.

1460
01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:19,880
Yep.

1461
01:29:19,880 --> 01:29:22,880
There's one shot at the beginning with some CG dolphins that I despise.

1462
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:23,880
Oh yes.

1463
01:29:23,880 --> 01:29:24,880
It's terrible.

1464
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:28,880
But they know how to use their limited budget, their limited resources.

1465
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:32,880
But there's just those occasional moments you're like, ah, you can tell that was like a budget.

1466
01:29:32,880 --> 01:29:33,880
Yeah.

1467
01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:35,880
Reason for that.

1468
01:29:35,880 --> 01:29:37,880
So they have the dynamite.

1469
01:29:37,880 --> 01:29:38,880
Yes.

1470
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:42,880
And this is actually one of my favorite like kind of mini arcs throughout.

1471
01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:49,880
They finally have this dynamite and they rig it up and they have the old school plunger just ready on the top of the tower.

1472
01:29:49,880 --> 01:29:50,880
Oh yeah.

1473
01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:59,880
And presumably when our main character got there, it was like summer or like fall.

1474
01:29:59,880 --> 01:30:01,880
And now it is dead of winter.

1475
01:30:01,880 --> 01:30:03,880
Like it is freezing to go outside.

1476
01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:05,880
They very limitedly go outside.

1477
01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:07,880
If so, they're like completely bundled up.

1478
01:30:07,880 --> 01:30:08,880
Yep.

1479
01:30:08,880 --> 01:30:12,880
And the totes, the totes salts just stop.

1480
01:30:12,880 --> 01:30:14,880
They stop coming.

1481
01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:18,880
And I want to say at this point, and Eris is no longer there, right?

1482
01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:19,880
She's not.

1483
01:30:19,880 --> 01:30:22,880
And I've scampered off and friends, she's like, where did she go?

1484
01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:24,880
And he's like, oh, she does this sometimes.

1485
01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:25,880
She just leaves every so often.

1486
01:30:25,880 --> 01:30:26,880
Yes.

1487
01:30:26,880 --> 01:30:34,880
And I feel like also her leaving kind of just took something away from the dynamic that it built up.

1488
01:30:34,880 --> 01:30:35,880
I agree.

1489
01:30:35,880 --> 01:30:37,880
Because the three together is interesting.

1490
01:30:37,880 --> 01:30:40,880
Because two are sleeping with one and also one wants to kill the other.

1491
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:42,880
And also one is-

1492
01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:43,880
You get the love triangle, Delavan.

1493
01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:45,880
And Gruner is insane.

1494
01:30:45,880 --> 01:30:46,880
Gruner is insane.

1495
01:30:46,880 --> 01:30:47,880
And I love Gruner.

1496
01:30:47,880 --> 01:30:48,880
He is a fun-

1497
01:30:48,880 --> 01:30:49,880
No man is an island.

1498
01:30:49,880 --> 01:30:53,880
Yeah, there's a line where it's no man is an island.

1499
01:30:53,880 --> 01:30:54,880
Gruner is an island.

1500
01:30:54,880 --> 01:30:55,880
And Gruner is saying this.

1501
01:30:55,880 --> 01:30:56,880
It's like no man is an island.

1502
01:30:56,880 --> 01:30:57,880
Gruner is an island.

1503
01:30:57,880 --> 01:30:58,880
Well, a friend says that.

1504
01:30:58,880 --> 01:31:00,880
A friend says no man is an island.

1505
01:31:00,880 --> 01:31:02,880
Oh, I remember that completely differently.

1506
01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:05,880
That's not as fun in my mind, but it is still fun.

1507
01:31:05,880 --> 01:31:06,880
Gruner is an island.

1508
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:07,880
Gruner is an island.

1509
01:31:07,880 --> 01:31:12,880
And that obviously sets up, one, friend doesn't really believe no man is an island.

1510
01:31:12,880 --> 01:31:17,880
Because he went to this place trying to escape something in his life.

1511
01:31:17,880 --> 01:31:19,880
And he doesn't really know exactly how to get the idea.

1512
01:31:19,880 --> 01:31:22,880
We never get an answer why a friend is there.

1513
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:24,880
But it's nothing good.

1514
01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:28,880
He's looking for solitude for whatever reason.

1515
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:30,880
It could be for something he's done.

1516
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:31,880
It could be running from something.

1517
01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:33,880
It could be any number of things.

1518
01:31:33,880 --> 01:31:38,880
And I don't hate that it's left ambiguous because now you can put other things on there.

1519
01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:39,880
I'm sure it's explained in the book.

1520
01:31:39,880 --> 01:31:42,880
We get a hint.

1521
01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:44,880
Based off of the idea of Gruner.

1522
01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:46,880
Yes.

1523
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:50,880
Let's just keep going so we know that he's more serious.

1524
01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:51,880
We have the dynamite.

1525
01:31:51,880 --> 01:31:53,880
And there's no attacks.

1526
01:31:53,880 --> 01:32:01,880
And friend goes outside and he sees Gruner in just these sub-zero temperatures with his hand on the dynamite plunger.

1527
01:32:01,880 --> 01:32:02,880
Just waiting.

1528
01:32:02,880 --> 01:32:05,880
He looks like he could just press it at any point.

1529
01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:06,880
Doesn't he freeze?

1530
01:32:06,880 --> 01:32:08,880
He is like frozen solid.

1531
01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:09,880
He's so frozen.

1532
01:32:09,880 --> 01:32:11,880
And then he genuinely thinks that he is dead.

1533
01:32:11,880 --> 01:32:13,880
Gruner is dead.

1534
01:32:13,880 --> 01:32:14,880
I think he fell asleep.

1535
01:32:14,880 --> 01:32:17,880
Gruner just kind of like turns and smiles.

1536
01:32:17,880 --> 01:32:23,880
Yeah, I think Gruner fell asleep while on watch that night and then just kind of froze like that.

1537
01:32:23,880 --> 01:32:26,880
I think he was just on the ready to use the dynamite.

1538
01:32:26,880 --> 01:32:29,880
He was so excited to use these rows of dynamite.

1539
01:32:29,880 --> 01:32:35,880
And that's when friend takes off the electrical leads.

1540
01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:40,880
The electrical leads so that way Gruner can't accidentally blow us up.

1541
01:32:40,880 --> 01:32:45,880
Because the carriages have been in the slight house and there's a set of dynamite.

1542
01:32:45,880 --> 01:32:46,880
They're pretty close to it.

1543
01:32:46,880 --> 01:32:48,880
Yep, they did it like a perimeter.

1544
01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:52,880
And they also don't want to waste this big get that they just got.

1545
01:32:52,880 --> 01:32:54,880
Yes.

1546
01:32:54,880 --> 01:33:01,880
But I mean, obviously with this movie, it ends up being like there's a huge attack that happens.

1547
01:33:01,880 --> 01:33:02,880
Yes.

1548
01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:06,880
And they go to push the dynamite plunger.

1549
01:33:06,880 --> 01:33:08,880
They hit the button and nothing happens.

1550
01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:10,880
And they're like, oh no, the leads.

1551
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:12,880
Yeah, we got to redo the electrical lines.

1552
01:33:12,880 --> 01:33:13,880
Redo the electrical lines.

1553
01:33:13,880 --> 01:33:19,880
Meanwhile, they are just like hand to hand combat with these toads and the make-up effect on those guys look great.

1554
01:33:19,880 --> 01:33:25,880
Oh yeah, you get some, they're all mostly the same, but you get a little bit of variations, which is nice.

1555
01:33:25,880 --> 01:33:28,880
Yes, you can tell they had probably like 10 suits.

1556
01:33:28,880 --> 01:33:29,880
Yeah.

1557
01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:31,880
And then like the rest were CG in the background.

1558
01:33:31,880 --> 01:33:33,880
They would look reuse different ones or like.

1559
01:33:33,880 --> 01:33:36,880
And it doesn't look like rubbery or anything like that.

1560
01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:38,880
It's like actually good make-up effects.

1561
01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:39,880
Yeah.

1562
01:33:39,880 --> 01:33:41,880
Again, they knew we were to spend them budget.

1563
01:33:41,880 --> 01:33:42,880
Yes.

1564
01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:43,880
What limited they had.

1565
01:33:43,880 --> 01:33:48,880
And they finally, they connect the leads and they blow the dynamite and the first one goes off and the toads go flying.

1566
01:33:48,880 --> 01:33:51,880
Oh yeah, it's it's great.

1567
01:33:51,880 --> 01:33:52,880
The rousing success.

1568
01:33:52,880 --> 01:34:01,880
And then there is a second string of dynamite that they used, that they were going to use in case things got really bad.

1569
01:34:01,880 --> 01:34:03,880
And Gruner just hits it just because he wants.

1570
01:34:03,880 --> 01:34:05,880
Just immediately.

1571
01:34:05,880 --> 01:34:09,880
And then this is our kind of big turning point for friends.

1572
01:34:09,880 --> 01:34:16,880
So the next day they're walking around just the absolute carnage that is all of the dead.

1573
01:34:16,880 --> 01:34:19,880
Yep, there's a lot of injured monsters as well.

1574
01:34:19,880 --> 01:34:20,880
Yes.

1575
01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:23,880
Now normally Gruner says like don't waste ammo on the wounded.

1576
01:34:23,880 --> 01:34:29,880
Normally they'll either just eat, like the other toads will just eat their brethren or just drag them back into the ocean.

1577
01:34:29,880 --> 01:34:33,880
They couldn't even do that this last time because so many died in the attack.

1578
01:34:33,880 --> 01:34:38,880
Gruner's just going around with like a spear and just like killing all the wounded ones.

1579
01:34:38,880 --> 01:34:40,880
And friend just like this isn't right.

1580
01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:43,880
This, this I've seen the error in my ways.

1581
01:34:43,880 --> 01:34:49,880
Yeah, he sees the humanity in the eyes of these deep ones.

1582
01:34:49,880 --> 01:34:59,880
Like there's an intelligence there because one starts like having a moment with friends of like help me as one intelligent creature to another.

1583
01:34:59,880 --> 01:35:01,880
Like help me.

1584
01:35:01,880 --> 01:35:03,880
I'm dying man.

1585
01:35:03,880 --> 01:35:10,880
And then you start to see, and this is only later in the film, you start to see that they're wearing like necklaces.

1586
01:35:10,880 --> 01:35:11,880
Yeah, it's like jewelry.

1587
01:35:11,880 --> 01:35:12,880
And some kinds of jewelry.

1588
01:35:12,880 --> 01:35:14,880
So they have a culture.

1589
01:35:14,880 --> 01:35:15,880
Yep, they have artists.

1590
01:35:15,880 --> 01:35:16,880
Yes.

1591
01:35:16,880 --> 01:35:17,880
There's all these little implications.

1592
01:35:17,880 --> 01:35:20,880
They don't come out and say this explicitly.

1593
01:35:20,880 --> 01:35:27,880
But it's all just shown very briefly to imply like these aren't just mindless fish people that come to kill you in the night.

1594
01:35:27,880 --> 01:35:28,880
Yes.

1595
01:35:28,880 --> 01:35:37,880
And then Grooners sort of the identity that I grew has made for these things is false.

1596
01:35:37,880 --> 01:35:38,880
Yes.

1597
01:35:38,880 --> 01:35:40,880
Because Grooners saying, oh, they're beasts.

1598
01:35:40,880 --> 01:35:41,880
They eat each other and blah, blah, blah.

1599
01:35:41,880 --> 01:35:46,880
It's like, no, they've, they've been collecting their wounded to heal them.

1600
01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:47,880
Or like bury them properly.

1601
01:35:47,880 --> 01:35:53,880
Or bury, yeah, they're, this is a, this is a whole society of advanced people.

1602
01:35:53,880 --> 01:36:00,880
Now, following at the time shift conducted from the bridge on my mark, the time will be 1301 plus 7 can go.

1603
01:36:00,880 --> 01:36:25,880
30 seconds to march.

1604
01:36:25,880 --> 01:36:32,880
10 seconds to march.

1605
01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:33,880
Yeah.

1606
01:36:33,880 --> 01:36:39,880
5, 4, 3, 2, 1, march.

1607
01:36:39,880 --> 01:36:45,880
Time on deck is 1301 plus 7 can go.

1608
01:36:45,880 --> 01:36:46,880
Okay, we're back.

1609
01:36:46,880 --> 01:36:50,880
We got interrupted a little bit.

1610
01:36:50,880 --> 01:36:56,880
So, there's this, this moment of like, I need to get away from Grooners.

1611
01:36:56,880 --> 01:36:59,880
That is the major rift that happens towards the end of the movie.

1612
01:36:59,880 --> 01:37:04,880
And then friend, he's like kind of doing his own thing now.

1613
01:37:04,880 --> 01:37:07,880
He's still living at the lighthouse because there's no other place to live.

1614
01:37:07,880 --> 01:37:11,880
And some of them are, they'd probably kill him on site just for all the things that he's done to them.

1615
01:37:11,880 --> 01:37:12,880
Yes.

1616
01:37:12,880 --> 01:37:19,880
And then there's like kind of the realization of, oh, when I first saw them,

1617
01:37:19,880 --> 01:37:21,880
they weren't attacking me.

1618
01:37:21,880 --> 01:37:22,880
They were just looking at me.

1619
01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:24,880
They were interested because I'm new.

1620
01:37:24,880 --> 01:37:25,880
They, I'm on their land.

1621
01:37:25,880 --> 01:37:29,880
And Grooners even says that in the movie, we're the invaders, we're the enemy.

1622
01:37:29,880 --> 01:37:30,880
Yes.

1623
01:37:30,880 --> 01:37:32,880
And it's like, oh yeah.

1624
01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:37,880
Friend initiated the violence by like stomping on the hand and stabbing one of their eyes.

1625
01:37:37,880 --> 01:37:39,880
They granted they broke into his house, but they don't know any better.

1626
01:37:39,880 --> 01:37:40,880
I stayed, I stayed, I stayed.

1627
01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:42,880
I mean, they didn't break in actually.

1628
01:37:42,880 --> 01:37:45,880
They did afterwards after he's initiated the violence.

1629
01:37:45,880 --> 01:37:47,880
Put a hand underneath there.

1630
01:37:47,880 --> 01:37:55,880
But at this point, it's, they're heavily playing on a theme of like, shouldn't judge a butch by the cover.

1631
01:37:55,880 --> 01:37:57,880
We are the real monsters.

1632
01:37:57,880 --> 01:37:58,880
Yeah, yeah.

1633
01:37:58,880 --> 01:38:07,880
Like, it's surface level appearances are, you know, not the best way to judge situations.

1634
01:38:07,880 --> 01:38:13,880
We can't be always fearing the other.

1635
01:38:13,880 --> 01:38:18,880
We need to embrace like diversity.

1636
01:38:18,880 --> 01:38:21,880
Or at least just be able to live in peace amongst them.

1637
01:38:21,880 --> 01:38:24,880
Like, we don't have to interact their way down in the ocean.

1638
01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:27,880
And they live on an island in the middle of the Antarctic.

1639
01:38:27,880 --> 01:38:29,880
Like, there's nothing down there.

1640
01:38:29,880 --> 01:38:30,880
This is their land.

1641
01:38:30,880 --> 01:38:32,880
Just let them have it.

1642
01:38:32,880 --> 01:38:40,880
But it starts introducing all those things of we should really be trying to work together as opposed to splitting off into different tribes.

1643
01:38:40,880 --> 01:38:48,880
And that like the whole World War One backgrounds of that's literally what happened to the world at that time of everyone just splitting up and then the whole

1644
01:38:48,880 --> 01:38:49,880
Story after the other.

1645
01:38:49,880 --> 01:38:51,880
Millions of people died.

1646
01:38:51,880 --> 01:38:57,880
Clearly, they're trying to showcase the difference between those two thoughts.

1647
01:38:57,880 --> 01:38:59,880
There's like a little duality going on there.

1648
01:38:59,880 --> 01:39:04,880
And then that's when we have our main character friend.

1649
01:39:04,880 --> 01:39:09,880
He builds throughout the movie and mostly at the beginning.

1650
01:39:09,880 --> 01:39:12,880
He found these stone circles.

1651
01:39:12,880 --> 01:39:19,880
Yeah, it's like little pebbles or like beach rocks that have been formed into circles with little trinkets placed inside.

1652
01:39:19,880 --> 01:39:20,880
Yes.

1653
01:39:20,880 --> 01:39:31,880
So he takes the bone that he's whittled into the ship of the boat and he places one in one that he's made as a kind of peace offering to these things.

1654
01:39:31,880 --> 01:39:33,880
He walks out there.

1655
01:39:33,880 --> 01:39:38,880
And then like a little child one comes up and picks it up and he's playing with it.

1656
01:39:38,880 --> 01:39:40,880
And then we see Inaris again.

1657
01:39:40,880 --> 01:39:41,880
Yes, she comes out.

1658
01:39:41,880 --> 01:39:45,880
She's no longer wearing the potato sack dress.

1659
01:39:45,880 --> 01:39:48,880
The groomer is giving her as some kind of human.

1660
01:39:48,880 --> 01:39:50,880
She's like naked, I guess.

1661
01:39:50,880 --> 01:39:56,880
She's lacking clothes like all of the other deep ones.

1662
01:39:56,880 --> 01:39:58,880
She appears way more confident.

1663
01:39:58,880 --> 01:40:00,880
She's no longer like crouched down.

1664
01:40:00,880 --> 01:40:04,880
Throughout the movie she's been like on her knees or on her hands or like crouching.

1665
01:40:04,880 --> 01:40:05,880
Yes.

1666
01:40:05,880 --> 01:40:06,880
Now she's standing tall.

1667
01:40:06,880 --> 01:40:08,880
Very tall, very confident.

1668
01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:17,880
Again, continuing the motif of like oh she's a, she was in an abusive relationship sort of like a battered woman sort of thing.

1669
01:40:17,880 --> 01:40:18,880
But now she's passed that.

1670
01:40:18,880 --> 01:40:21,880
We haven't seen her for like 30 minutes in the movie.

1671
01:40:21,880 --> 01:40:22,880
Yeah.

1672
01:40:22,880 --> 01:40:25,880
So she's probably regaining her confidence and her self-respect which friend helps.

1673
01:40:25,880 --> 01:40:27,880
She's gotten herself out of that place.

1674
01:40:27,880 --> 01:40:29,880
And now she is a fully confident person.

1675
01:40:29,880 --> 01:40:30,880
Yes.

1676
01:40:30,880 --> 01:40:33,880
And you know more deep ones show up.

1677
01:40:33,880 --> 01:40:34,880
Yep.

1678
01:40:34,880 --> 01:40:36,880
And she's basically another entire army.

1679
01:40:36,880 --> 01:40:42,880
And friends just kind of, he's actually having, there's a moment of understanding.

1680
01:40:42,880 --> 01:40:47,880
The deep ones and friends are like basically coming to a reconciliation.

1681
01:40:47,880 --> 01:40:50,880
I mean like hey we shouldn't keep fighting each other.

1682
01:40:50,880 --> 01:40:52,880
Neither of us want to keep fighting.

1683
01:40:52,880 --> 01:40:54,880
We've lost a lot on our side.

1684
01:40:54,880 --> 01:40:55,880
You're just a guy.

1685
01:40:55,880 --> 01:40:57,880
You're just a guy.

1686
01:40:57,880 --> 01:41:00,880
And you're not having a good time.

1687
01:41:00,880 --> 01:41:01,880
No.

1688
01:41:01,880 --> 01:41:06,880
That's when the little kid, his chest like implodes.

1689
01:41:06,880 --> 01:41:07,880
Yeah.

1690
01:41:07,880 --> 01:41:09,880
Gunshot rings out.

1691
01:41:09,880 --> 01:41:11,880
The kid just gets shot in the chest.

1692
01:41:11,880 --> 01:41:15,880
Kruner modified a flare gun with like extra gunpowder or something.

1693
01:41:15,880 --> 01:41:17,880
It's basically a grenade launcher.

1694
01:41:17,880 --> 01:41:18,880
Yeah.

1695
01:41:18,880 --> 01:41:22,880
Earlier after the dynamite scene, Kruner was like, we had to keep coming up with weird

1696
01:41:22,880 --> 01:41:23,880
ways to scare him.

1697
01:41:23,880 --> 01:41:24,880
Yeah.

1698
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:27,880
So yeah, he's like, I built this weird flare gun thing.

1699
01:41:27,880 --> 01:41:34,880
And it's kind of like heavily implied that this little child is like Kruner's child.

1700
01:41:34,880 --> 01:41:36,880
Well, it's implied that when-

1701
01:41:36,880 --> 01:41:38,880
It's Inaris' child.

1702
01:41:38,880 --> 01:41:44,880
And Naris and Kruner or Inaris and friend have sex, that's how they are replenishing

1703
01:41:44,880 --> 01:41:46,880
the deep ones that keep attacking.

1704
01:41:46,880 --> 01:41:47,880
Yes.

1705
01:41:47,880 --> 01:41:55,880
Like they have a relatively human like reproductive system it seems like.

1706
01:41:55,880 --> 01:41:58,880
I believe they hate to come up with it, just because those kids don't want to ask that

1707
01:41:58,880 --> 01:41:59,880
kid's life.

1708
01:41:59,880 --> 01:42:00,880
Yes.

1709
01:42:00,880 --> 01:42:01,880
They turn into people fast.

1710
01:42:01,880 --> 01:42:04,880
There's a little bit of accelerated growth.

1711
01:42:04,880 --> 01:42:12,880
But the reason I'm saying it's implied is because a little bit earlier, we find or friend finds

1712
01:42:12,880 --> 01:42:18,880
out that the previous weather observer, the one that died of typhus that Kruner said, is

1713
01:42:18,880 --> 01:42:19,880
actually Kruner himself.

1714
01:42:19,880 --> 01:42:26,880
He finds a picture of the previous weather observer with his head ripped off or something

1715
01:42:26,880 --> 01:42:28,880
in the picture or his face scratched out.

1716
01:42:28,880 --> 01:42:29,880
Yeah.

1717
01:42:29,880 --> 01:42:31,880
And then we find that same picture with him and his wife.

1718
01:42:31,880 --> 01:42:32,880
Yes.

1719
01:42:32,880 --> 01:42:34,880
And Kruner's things inside the lighthouse.

1720
01:42:34,880 --> 01:42:43,880
So we learn that Kruner was the previous weather observer, which means the previous lighthouse

1721
01:42:43,880 --> 01:42:46,880
keeper is dead.

1722
01:42:46,880 --> 01:42:48,880
And that was the original Kruner, presumably.

1723
01:42:48,880 --> 01:42:49,880
He adopted his identity.

1724
01:42:49,880 --> 01:42:54,880
And that's why we've been talking about the idea of Kruner.

1725
01:42:54,880 --> 01:42:58,880
But also he's on this island because he lost his wife, presumably.

1726
01:42:58,880 --> 01:42:59,880
And like a child.

1727
01:42:59,880 --> 01:43:01,880
I think his wife was pregnant.

1728
01:43:01,880 --> 01:43:02,880
Yes.

1729
01:43:02,880 --> 01:43:03,880
It's like a childbirth situation.

1730
01:43:03,880 --> 01:43:04,880
Something along the lines.

1731
01:43:04,880 --> 01:43:12,880
And that Kruner ran away to this island and that creates a whole sort of like explosion

1732
01:43:12,880 --> 01:43:20,080
of ideas and metaphors like the deep ones are like literally Kruner is perceiving it

1733
01:43:20,080 --> 01:43:22,880
as him dealing with his own demons.

1734
01:43:22,880 --> 01:43:26,880
And if we like expound that.

1735
01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:28,880
Waging his one man war against them.

1736
01:43:28,880 --> 01:43:35,520
But if we can expand that to friends of well maybe something similar happened to him like

1737
01:43:35,520 --> 01:43:37,480
some sort of trauma or whatever.

1738
01:43:37,480 --> 01:43:39,320
And he ran away to this island.

1739
01:43:39,320 --> 01:43:44,320
And he is now emotionally overcoming it and that is the island.

1740
01:43:44,320 --> 01:43:45,320
Right.

1741
01:43:45,320 --> 01:43:52,720
And that is shown in the movie by him actually having friendly relations and starting to come

1742
01:43:52,720 --> 01:43:55,400
to terms with working with these deep ones.

1743
01:43:55,400 --> 01:43:58,680
Like he is facing his demons and he is dealing with it.

1744
01:43:58,680 --> 01:44:01,480
Whereas Kruner, he still has and just killed them.

1745
01:44:01,480 --> 01:44:05,280
They're monsters and that's him being emotionally stunted.

1746
01:44:05,280 --> 01:44:08,160
That's just my little deep analysis into this.

1747
01:44:08,160 --> 01:44:10,400
Deep analysis into the deep ones.

1748
01:44:10,400 --> 01:44:11,400
Yeah.

1749
01:44:11,400 --> 01:44:12,400
But that's fair.

1750
01:44:12,400 --> 01:44:19,000
Well that's why I think it's heavily implied that this little deep one child was Kruner's

1751
01:44:19,000 --> 01:44:25,120
because it's the ultimate rejection of growth by Kruner because he went to the silence due

1752
01:44:25,120 --> 01:44:29,080
to the death of his wife and presumably a child.

1753
01:44:29,080 --> 01:44:34,240
Presumably unborn child during childbirth and he is willing to kill his child as well

1754
01:44:34,240 --> 01:44:41,480
as his pseudo, his wife, his fish wife in a narus.

1755
01:44:41,480 --> 01:44:45,680
Because he is just completely broken and unredeemable emotionally.

1756
01:44:45,680 --> 01:44:52,080
So Kruner kills this child and he's just like I can't do this.

1757
01:44:52,080 --> 01:44:56,240
No one leaves Kruner because he calls for a narus to come with him.

1758
01:44:56,240 --> 01:44:59,320
And she's just standing there like, I am not going with you.

1759
01:44:59,320 --> 01:45:04,680
He's trying to regain all that control that, again, he's hoarding everything throughout

1760
01:45:04,680 --> 01:45:05,680
this whole movie.

1761
01:45:05,680 --> 01:45:06,960
Including people and things.

1762
01:45:06,960 --> 01:45:07,960
Yes.

1763
01:45:07,960 --> 01:45:08,960
Weapons.

1764
01:45:08,960 --> 01:45:15,160
And it's the same sort of mentality that if you watch an episode of the TV show Hoarders,

1765
01:45:15,160 --> 01:45:18,360
there's always some traumatic thing in the past where someone felt like they lost control

1766
01:45:18,360 --> 01:45:19,360
of their lives.

1767
01:45:19,360 --> 01:45:20,360
They're trying to control everything.

1768
01:45:20,360 --> 01:45:21,360
They just want to get it all.

1769
01:45:21,360 --> 01:45:24,960
And that's what's going on with Kruner.

1770
01:45:24,960 --> 01:45:28,080
So he breaks down, starts muttering to himself.

1771
01:45:28,080 --> 01:45:34,400
And they do like a little reverse psychology thing of, it's like, hey, we're going to leave

1772
01:45:34,400 --> 01:45:35,400
Kruner.

1773
01:45:35,400 --> 01:45:38,360
And Kruner's like, no.

1774
01:45:38,360 --> 01:45:39,960
No one leaves Kruner leaves.

1775
01:45:39,960 --> 01:45:40,960
Kruner leaves.

1776
01:45:40,960 --> 01:45:43,960
And then Kruner just like, oh, I got to leave.

1777
01:45:43,960 --> 01:45:47,640
And that's how they prevent everyone from getting shot and killed by Kruner.

1778
01:45:47,640 --> 01:45:50,440
But just basically making Kruner think, oh, I have to leave.

1779
01:45:50,440 --> 01:45:53,320
So I have control of the situation.

1780
01:45:53,320 --> 01:45:56,240
It's kind of flimsy.

1781
01:45:56,240 --> 01:45:57,720
He gives a good performance.

1782
01:45:57,720 --> 01:45:58,720
Yes.

1783
01:45:58,720 --> 01:46:04,960
The actor is a great job in that scene where he's just clearly showing a man who is broken,

1784
01:46:04,960 --> 01:46:05,960
break further.

1785
01:46:05,960 --> 01:46:06,960
Yes.

1786
01:46:06,960 --> 01:46:11,800
That is like when the audience fully realizes that this man is emotionally broken.

1787
01:46:11,800 --> 01:46:12,800
Shivering giant.

1788
01:46:12,800 --> 01:46:13,800
Yes.

1789
01:46:13,800 --> 01:46:16,160
He runs back to the lighthouse.

1790
01:46:16,160 --> 01:46:17,560
Friend chases after him.

1791
01:46:17,560 --> 01:46:20,800
That's when we get our big confrontation.

1792
01:46:20,800 --> 01:46:21,800
They fight.

1793
01:46:21,800 --> 01:46:22,920
We get a big fight.

1794
01:46:22,920 --> 01:46:28,360
And then Kruner understands like, OK, I'm the bad guy.

1795
01:46:28,360 --> 01:46:30,960
And he steps outside.

1796
01:46:30,960 --> 01:46:32,720
And lets the deep ones just kill him.

1797
01:46:32,720 --> 01:46:34,400
Let's the deep ones kill him.

1798
01:46:34,400 --> 01:46:37,880
Meanwhile, the deep ones just keep attacking friends.

1799
01:46:37,880 --> 01:46:38,880
We don't know that.

1800
01:46:38,880 --> 01:46:39,880
Well, that night.

1801
01:46:39,880 --> 01:46:41,880
They just killed a child.

1802
01:46:41,880 --> 01:46:46,720
Well, so that night, you're thinking of the night where they did the dynamite thing.

1803
01:46:46,720 --> 01:46:48,040
You used the door open.

1804
01:46:48,040 --> 01:46:49,040
Oh, I'm thinking that.

1805
01:46:49,040 --> 01:46:50,040
You're right.

1806
01:46:50,040 --> 01:46:51,040
Yes.

1807
01:46:51,040 --> 01:46:53,480
So in the dynamite attack, they were like, we got to get him.

1808
01:46:53,480 --> 01:46:54,480
We got to draw him in.

1809
01:46:54,480 --> 01:46:55,480
So they leave the door open.

1810
01:46:55,480 --> 01:46:56,480
It's like a vein.

1811
01:46:56,480 --> 01:46:57,480
Yeah.

1812
01:46:57,480 --> 01:46:58,480
And then it's a good scene.

1813
01:46:58,480 --> 01:46:59,480
It's a good scene.

1814
01:46:59,480 --> 01:47:00,480
Because he got to let him in the lighthouse.

1815
01:47:00,480 --> 01:47:01,480
It's a good action scene.

1816
01:47:01,480 --> 01:47:02,480
Mono, Imano.

1817
01:47:02,480 --> 01:47:03,480
Yes.

1818
01:47:03,480 --> 01:47:10,120
So Kruner walks outside and is ripped apart by the deep ones and meanwhile friend stays

1819
01:47:10,120 --> 01:47:11,600
inside the lighthouse.

1820
01:47:11,600 --> 01:47:16,320
And there's a weird situation where he still bars the door and he still grabs the axe.

1821
01:47:16,320 --> 01:47:17,320
Yeah.

1822
01:47:17,320 --> 01:47:20,000
That's and I think that's what I'm thinking of where he's like, he's still afraid.

1823
01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:28,680
And I feel like it would have been better thematically if it's just like, they've already reconciled.

1824
01:47:28,680 --> 01:47:30,520
Yes, we're good.

1825
01:47:30,520 --> 01:47:35,040
But I could also see just like, we did just shoot a child.

1826
01:47:35,040 --> 01:47:36,160
Well Kruner did.

1827
01:47:36,160 --> 01:47:41,240
But it could just be the deep ones themselves showing how human they are.

1828
01:47:41,240 --> 01:47:42,840
By committing war.

1829
01:47:42,840 --> 01:47:48,560
By committing just blanketed war and having blanket assumptions of the other.

1830
01:47:48,560 --> 01:47:50,120
I think it's interesting at least.

1831
01:47:50,120 --> 01:47:51,640
Yeah, that's a great, great concept.

1832
01:47:51,640 --> 01:47:56,800
I think it would have been easier for him to just close the door and just be like, finally

1833
01:47:56,800 --> 01:47:57,800
that's over.

1834
01:47:57,800 --> 01:48:01,720
But like the still untrustingness, because they are still like.

1835
01:48:01,720 --> 01:48:02,720
On both sides.

1836
01:48:02,720 --> 01:48:03,720
I mean they're vicious.

1837
01:48:03,720 --> 01:48:04,720
They can be, they're strong.

1838
01:48:04,720 --> 01:48:05,720
Yeah.

1839
01:48:05,720 --> 01:48:08,960
And then we do a little time jump.

1840
01:48:08,960 --> 01:48:09,960
Yeah.

1841
01:48:09,960 --> 01:48:14,600
A boat shows up and someone is here to replace the weather official.

1842
01:48:14,600 --> 01:48:15,600
Yeah.

1843
01:48:15,600 --> 01:48:18,680
The weather observer time is up to pick up the friends.

1844
01:48:18,680 --> 01:48:20,400
But where is he?

1845
01:48:20,400 --> 01:48:21,800
Where's friends?

1846
01:48:21,800 --> 01:48:25,600
Then we get a nice little like, repeat.

1847
01:48:25,600 --> 01:48:31,680
Repeating where they show up and they hit the guy who's asleep and they grabs the stick.

1848
01:48:31,680 --> 01:48:33,440
He's not asleep.

1849
01:48:33,440 --> 01:48:35,320
It's Kruner, but it's friend.

1850
01:48:35,320 --> 01:48:36,320
Yep.

1851
01:48:36,320 --> 01:48:39,680
Friend has now assumed the identity of Kruner so he can stay on the silent.

1852
01:48:39,680 --> 01:48:43,880
I don't know why the lighthouse keeper never gets changed out, but it's just a weather

1853
01:48:43,880 --> 01:48:45,120
observer every year.

1854
01:48:45,120 --> 01:48:47,920
Well, you know.

1855
01:48:47,920 --> 01:48:52,640
But presumably it's like, oh, the cycle is going to repeat.

1856
01:48:52,640 --> 01:48:57,680
Even though friend is shown, he's not as broken as the previous Kruner.

1857
01:48:57,680 --> 01:48:58,680
It's a new day.

1858
01:48:58,680 --> 01:48:59,680
Yes.

1859
01:48:59,680 --> 01:49:00,680
Things are more hopeful.

1860
01:49:00,680 --> 01:49:05,560
When Naras sees the boats and she runs on the rocks and she jumps into the ocean and

1861
01:49:05,560 --> 01:49:11,680
she swims away until you can't really disturb anything from the ocean and then fade to black.

1862
01:49:11,680 --> 01:49:12,680
Yep.

1863
01:49:12,680 --> 01:49:15,280
Honestly, I think that's a good ending.

1864
01:49:15,280 --> 01:49:19,880
It's a fine ending because it is ambiguous whether he, because you think he'll stay.

1865
01:49:19,880 --> 01:49:20,880
Oh, yeah.

1866
01:49:20,880 --> 01:49:27,280
So the military guys at this point, it's no longer like just some local ship just bringing

1867
01:49:27,280 --> 01:49:28,280
the guy in.

1868
01:49:28,280 --> 01:49:30,280
It's a full on military escort.

1869
01:49:30,280 --> 01:49:31,360
Navy escort, yes.

1870
01:49:31,360 --> 01:49:32,360
Yes.

1871
01:49:32,360 --> 01:49:34,680
Because the World War I is fully kicked off by this point.

1872
01:49:34,680 --> 01:49:36,000
It's fully on.

1873
01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:40,760
They come in and they're like telling friend the new Kruner.

1874
01:49:40,760 --> 01:49:44,000
They're like, why don't you shave, grow your hair.

1875
01:49:44,000 --> 01:49:45,000
Wear warm hair.

1876
01:49:45,000 --> 01:49:47,000
Yeah, this is, he's crazy.

1877
01:49:47,000 --> 01:49:51,680
Do you think they're going to force him back out into the real world?

1878
01:49:51,680 --> 01:49:58,120
Well, they say, not in these words, but I think he's got shell shock or some kind of

1879
01:49:58,120 --> 01:50:01,120
like, it's, you know, hysteria.

1880
01:50:01,120 --> 01:50:05,440
They say something along those lines and he walks, he ignores them completely.

1881
01:50:05,440 --> 01:50:06,440
Yes.

1882
01:50:06,440 --> 01:50:09,400
He just walks outside and looks out to see all these ships.

1883
01:50:09,400 --> 01:50:11,560
And then we don't see him after that ever again.

1884
01:50:11,560 --> 01:50:14,200
We see Inaris and the boats.

1885
01:50:14,200 --> 01:50:17,880
And that's why I'm just like, I don't know if he will leave or not.

1886
01:50:17,880 --> 01:50:23,520
I imagine he has grown past his trauma and is ready to rejoin society.

1887
01:50:23,520 --> 01:50:24,520
Yes.

1888
01:50:24,520 --> 01:50:31,920
However, some sort of visuals that muddy the whole message of all this is one, he now

1889
01:50:31,920 --> 01:50:35,600
has really long hair and an unkempt beard.

1890
01:50:35,600 --> 01:50:40,880
And it's like earlier in the movie, when he cut his hair again and shaved his beard, it

1891
01:50:40,880 --> 01:50:46,200
was him denouncing groomers, denouncing groomers lifestyle, which is him getting

1892
01:50:46,200 --> 01:50:51,440
past any emotional stuff, like problems he was dealing with.

1893
01:50:51,440 --> 01:50:58,240
And yet just for the sake of visual similarity to Booner, they just ignored the themes of

1894
01:50:58,240 --> 01:51:03,600
the movie and they ignored the established metaphors they've created.

1895
01:51:03,600 --> 01:51:07,200
And just to have him have a beard and everything like that.

1896
01:51:07,200 --> 01:51:14,280
But I couldn't, yes, I can also agree that it's a valid interpretation that it is him

1897
01:51:14,280 --> 01:51:18,600
now fully embracing society again and joining it.

1898
01:51:18,600 --> 01:51:21,520
But also, Inaris leaves the island.

1899
01:51:21,520 --> 01:51:32,120
The counter to that being, I think he stays because he has learned a new society with

1900
01:51:32,120 --> 01:51:34,720
these deep ones.

1901
01:51:34,720 --> 01:51:36,720
So he has not rejected society.

1902
01:51:36,720 --> 01:51:38,440
He has still embraced society.

1903
01:51:38,440 --> 01:51:40,440
He's just embraced a different society.

1904
01:51:40,440 --> 01:51:41,840
Society of the deep ones.

1905
01:51:41,840 --> 01:51:46,920
And the shot of Inaris at the end, I mean, obviously it's just a very visually interesting

1906
01:51:46,920 --> 01:51:53,280
way to just end a movie on like a, I don't know, a point, an exclamation point maybe.

1907
01:51:53,280 --> 01:51:55,360
Inaris running, jumping into the water.

1908
01:51:55,360 --> 01:52:00,880
But you can also interpret it as being, oh, well, she's out.

1909
01:52:00,880 --> 01:52:02,920
Still confident and everything like she's not wearing clothes.

1910
01:52:02,920 --> 01:52:08,400
But she's out in the daytime having, having a good swim.

1911
01:52:08,400 --> 01:52:10,920
Maybe the other deep ones are doing that on the island as well.

1912
01:52:10,920 --> 01:52:16,200
And it's no longer this culture of fear surrounding this island.

1913
01:52:16,200 --> 01:52:21,520
And it's more just a nice little society growing up.

1914
01:52:21,520 --> 01:52:22,520
Yes.

1915
01:52:22,520 --> 01:52:26,480
But also you have to remember that someone is replacing him if he does leave or whether

1916
01:52:26,480 --> 01:52:30,120
he stays and they're going to be freaked out with deep ones.

1917
01:52:30,120 --> 01:52:31,120
Yes.

1918
01:52:31,120 --> 01:52:35,040
But and the friend is there to facilitate that.

1919
01:52:35,040 --> 01:52:36,920
Maybe as like a mass editorial role.

1920
01:52:36,920 --> 01:52:39,520
If he stays, that's acceptable.

1921
01:52:39,520 --> 01:52:45,520
I think either way, but if he does leave, it's just reopening the terrible relations

1922
01:52:45,520 --> 01:52:47,000
between the mankind and the deep ones.

1923
01:52:47,000 --> 01:52:55,560
And that's why I think it's, it's better that he stays from a thematic point of view

1924
01:52:55,560 --> 01:53:01,880
because he's learned to accept and embrace society again and now he can help someone

1925
01:53:01,880 --> 01:53:05,000
else who's probably dealing with the same sort of trauma.

1926
01:53:05,000 --> 01:53:09,960
As some kind of mentor as opposed to Gruner, who was just like, I'm just going to take

1927
01:53:09,960 --> 01:53:10,960
from what you have.

1928
01:53:10,960 --> 01:53:17,240
Gruner was a bad role model and friend realizes that halfway through the movie and grows

1929
01:53:17,240 --> 01:53:20,200
and becomes the better Gruner.

1930
01:53:20,200 --> 01:53:23,320
But then also just embracing the name of Gruner.

1931
01:53:23,320 --> 01:53:26,480
Maybe he's just evolved, but I would just undermine the entire movie.

1932
01:53:26,480 --> 01:53:32,080
And that's why this movie is a little frustrating because it's a little confusing from all those

1933
01:53:32,080 --> 01:53:37,040
like a lot of ideas, all that subtext that gets put into there.

1934
01:53:37,040 --> 01:53:40,320
It's like, it's like they're trying to have their cake and eat it too.

1935
01:53:40,320 --> 01:53:46,840
You see they are because they want the fun thought provoking philosophical moments, but

1936
01:53:46,840 --> 01:53:52,160
they also want the fun action zombie scenes where it's just hordes and toads storm the

1937
01:53:52,160 --> 01:53:53,160
house.

1938
01:53:53,160 --> 01:53:54,160
And it's great.

1939
01:53:54,160 --> 01:54:04,000
And that's why this movie to me is, it's okay, it's worth a watch, but it's just not

1940
01:54:04,000 --> 01:54:11,960
like I can't call it a great movie because it's just missing certain things or if they

1941
01:54:11,960 --> 01:54:18,080
like, I don't know, strengthened their message a little bit more, it might have put it over

1942
01:54:18,080 --> 01:54:19,840
the edge for me, but it's still a good movie.

1943
01:54:19,840 --> 01:54:21,960
I would recommend it.

1944
01:54:21,960 --> 01:54:23,600
No real complaints watching it.

1945
01:54:23,600 --> 01:54:27,360
Again, it was a little slow during a little bit, so maybe not watch it if you're a little

1946
01:54:27,360 --> 01:54:28,360
tired.

1947
01:54:28,360 --> 01:54:29,360
Yeah, I would say that.

1948
01:54:29,360 --> 01:54:33,640
But normally after a decent amount of slow, there will be some action sequences.

1949
01:54:33,640 --> 01:54:36,080
Yes, there's really good action sequences all the way throughout.

1950
01:54:36,080 --> 01:54:38,080
There's good emotional scenes.

1951
01:54:38,080 --> 01:54:41,480
And it does not waste time starting, which I fully appreciate.

1952
01:54:41,480 --> 01:54:42,600
And it's like what, an hour and a half?

1953
01:54:42,600 --> 01:54:43,600
Yeah.

1954
01:54:43,600 --> 01:54:46,360
It's not a whole time commitment.

1955
01:54:46,360 --> 01:54:47,520
I would recommend it.

1956
01:54:47,520 --> 01:54:51,720
I'd probably give it like, I don't know, a six or seven out of ten.

1957
01:54:51,720 --> 01:54:54,680
And that's pretty much what reviews I saw online for.

1958
01:54:54,680 --> 01:54:55,680
Oh yeah?

1959
01:54:55,680 --> 01:54:57,680
It was like a six or seven out of ten.

1960
01:54:57,680 --> 01:55:02,880
But it was like, again praising the things that we talked about, the good action sequences,

1961
01:55:02,880 --> 01:55:08,080
the thought provoking, the visual effects were pretty good, the creature designs were

1962
01:55:08,080 --> 01:55:13,080
fun, the two lead performances, the three lead performances were really good.

1963
01:55:13,080 --> 01:55:14,080
Yes.

1964
01:55:14,080 --> 01:55:19,520
Because Inaris does do a lot of just facial acting.

1965
01:55:19,520 --> 01:55:21,920
Yeah, she's mostly silent.

1966
01:55:21,920 --> 01:55:24,480
Like she doesn't say any, she doesn't dialogue throughout this movie.

1967
01:55:24,480 --> 01:55:26,000
So it's all visual acting.

1968
01:55:26,000 --> 01:55:27,840
She has a really good job.

1969
01:55:27,840 --> 01:55:28,840
Yes.

1970
01:55:28,840 --> 01:55:32,400
It's really good and comes through very emotive sort of makeup as well.

1971
01:55:32,400 --> 01:55:37,040
And Friends just does a good job as kind of a blank slate character.

1972
01:55:37,040 --> 01:55:38,040
Yes.

1973
01:55:38,040 --> 01:55:41,000
With some good emotional performances throughout.

1974
01:55:41,000 --> 01:55:43,400
And then Gruder is just a mad man and it's fun to watch.

1975
01:55:43,400 --> 01:55:44,880
It's really fun to watch Gruder.

1976
01:55:44,880 --> 01:55:47,400
It's really fun to watch Gruder.

1977
01:55:47,400 --> 01:55:49,360
So yeah, that's cold skin.

1978
01:55:49,360 --> 01:55:51,960
That is cold skin.

1979
01:55:51,960 --> 01:55:54,520
It's on a whole bunch of different streaming sites.

1980
01:55:54,520 --> 01:55:56,560
It's on Tubi which is free with ads.

1981
01:55:56,560 --> 01:55:59,440
I highly recommend giving this movie a watch.

1982
01:55:59,440 --> 01:56:00,920
It's on YouTube free with ads.

1983
01:56:00,920 --> 01:56:02,800
I think it's on Shutter.

1984
01:56:02,800 --> 01:56:05,520
It was on Shutter a few minutes ago.

1985
01:56:05,520 --> 01:56:08,760
You can buy it on YouTube or Amazon for like 10 bucks.

1986
01:56:08,760 --> 01:56:10,480
I have it on DVD.

1987
01:56:10,480 --> 01:56:11,480
Yep.

1988
01:56:11,480 --> 01:56:12,760
I like this movie.

1989
01:56:12,760 --> 01:56:15,880
And again, it is a French Spanish production.

1990
01:56:15,880 --> 01:56:19,600
So while the dialogue is all in English, it's not dubbed or anything.

1991
01:56:19,600 --> 01:56:20,600
Yes.

1992
01:56:20,600 --> 01:56:23,200
These are English actors speaking English.

1993
01:56:23,200 --> 01:56:27,880
The titles for the version we watched, it's like it's the Spanish title.

1994
01:56:27,880 --> 01:56:31,120
And I think there was like an opening crawl or something that was Spanish.

1995
01:56:31,120 --> 01:56:33,000
That definitely wasn't ripped.

1996
01:56:33,000 --> 01:56:34,000
No.

1997
01:56:34,000 --> 01:56:35,000
Online.

1998
01:56:35,000 --> 01:56:36,000
No, that's just the DVD.

1999
01:56:36,000 --> 01:56:37,000
Yeah.

2000
01:56:37,000 --> 01:56:38,000
What are you talking about?

2001
01:56:38,000 --> 01:56:41,920
The DVD that I have wasn't because I bought it at Walmart.

2002
01:56:41,920 --> 01:56:47,640
It's all in English if you have some sort of fear of foreign films.

2003
01:56:47,640 --> 01:56:48,640
Which we shouldn't.

2004
01:56:48,640 --> 01:56:49,640
We shouldn't.

2005
01:56:49,640 --> 01:56:50,640
Don't do that.

2006
01:56:50,640 --> 01:56:52,760
Much like this movie, you should embrace the other.

2007
01:56:52,760 --> 01:56:53,760
Yes.

2008
01:56:53,760 --> 01:56:54,760
Embrace the TV.

2009
01:56:54,760 --> 01:56:56,260
And watch Cold Skin.

2010
01:56:56,260 --> 01:56:59,040
Watch Cold Skin.

2011
01:56:59,040 --> 01:57:01,160
Embrace that cold, cold skin.

2012
01:57:01,160 --> 01:57:02,160
Yep.

2013
01:57:02,160 --> 01:57:03,960
So I think that's gonna...

2014
01:57:03,960 --> 01:57:04,960
That about wraps it up.

2015
01:57:04,960 --> 01:57:07,640
I don't think we have anything else about this one.

2016
01:57:07,640 --> 01:57:10,720
That concludes our Frozen with Fear.

2017
01:57:10,720 --> 01:57:11,720
The Marvel series.

2018
01:57:11,720 --> 01:57:14,000
What do you want to rank all four movies?

2019
01:57:14,000 --> 01:57:15,160
Yeah, let's rank them.

2020
01:57:15,160 --> 01:57:16,560
Let's rank these four movies.

2021
01:57:16,560 --> 01:57:17,560
All right.

2022
01:57:17,560 --> 01:57:18,800
Let's see what's number one.

2023
01:57:18,800 --> 01:57:20,720
No, let's start with the bottom.

2024
01:57:20,720 --> 01:57:21,720
Okay.

2025
01:57:21,720 --> 01:57:22,720
And then we're...

2026
01:57:22,720 --> 01:57:23,720
Well, it might be a mystery.

2027
01:57:23,720 --> 01:57:24,720
What's gonna be our favorite movie?

2028
01:57:24,720 --> 01:57:27,800
What's gonna be our favorite movie?

2029
01:57:27,800 --> 01:57:31,800
Definitely don't look at how long these podcast lengths are for each episode, because that

2030
01:57:31,800 --> 01:57:33,640
doesn't give it away whatsoever.

2031
01:57:33,640 --> 01:57:35,140
Not at all.

2032
01:57:35,140 --> 01:57:38,600
I'm gonna say very bottom of the list.

2033
01:57:38,600 --> 01:57:40,120
Not even a question is AVP.

2034
01:57:40,120 --> 01:57:41,120
All the way.

2035
01:57:41,120 --> 01:57:43,120
I'm gonna say 100% 10.

2036
01:57:43,120 --> 01:57:46,080
110% AVP bottom of the list.

2037
01:57:46,080 --> 01:57:47,760
Still a fine movie.

2038
01:57:47,760 --> 01:57:50,440
I could watch that and go, huh.

2039
01:57:50,440 --> 01:57:54,040
Now let's just say number one.

2040
01:57:54,040 --> 01:57:57,040
There's gonna be zero disagreements on that.

2041
01:57:57,040 --> 01:57:58,760
It's gonna be John Carpenter's The Thing.

2042
01:57:58,760 --> 01:58:00,720
Number one, John Carpenter's The Thing.

2043
01:58:00,720 --> 01:58:06,280
Now I don't know about you, but I think we might have some differences.

2044
01:58:06,280 --> 01:58:12,840
I think number two is gonna be The Thing 2011 and number three is gonna be Cold Skin.

2045
01:58:12,840 --> 01:58:14,720
I suspect it's gonna be the opposite for you.

2046
01:58:14,720 --> 01:58:15,720
That's the way we differ.

2047
01:58:15,720 --> 01:58:16,720
Yes.

2048
01:58:16,720 --> 01:58:19,320
I really like Cold Skin.

2049
01:58:19,320 --> 01:58:24,280
It has just that little more originality and like heart.

2050
01:58:24,280 --> 01:58:29,760
You could tell at the time of Hollywood when they were making The 2011 The Thing, remakes

2051
01:58:29,760 --> 01:58:31,360
were just being made.

2052
01:58:31,360 --> 01:58:37,040
The studios were like, we own this property, we're remaking big horror franchises and movies.

2053
01:58:37,040 --> 01:58:38,040
Let's just do that.

2054
01:58:38,040 --> 01:58:39,720
We'll make easy money.

2055
01:58:39,720 --> 01:58:43,560
And instead, you know, a bunch of scrappy, you know, film people got together and they

2056
01:58:43,560 --> 01:58:48,680
were like, hey, I really like this weird book about people having sex with toads and fighting

2057
01:58:48,680 --> 01:58:49,680
in lighthouses.

2058
01:58:49,680 --> 01:58:53,720
And they went, you know, that's probably not gonna make a lot of money, but it's what

2059
01:58:53,720 --> 01:58:56,080
I want to make.

2060
01:58:56,080 --> 01:58:59,680
You know, that's valid point.

2061
01:58:59,680 --> 01:59:06,000
But The Thing 2011 is just really fun and it does not have the emotional moments whatsoever,

2062
01:59:06,000 --> 01:59:14,360
but it is still, I like it as a different take on John Carpenter's The Thing where it's

2063
01:59:14,360 --> 01:59:26,200
a little bit more action-y, a little bit less with the like, subterfusioned, the paranoia.

2064
01:59:26,200 --> 01:59:27,920
I like that different take.

2065
01:59:27,920 --> 01:59:28,920
It's fair.

2066
01:59:28,920 --> 01:59:29,920
I think the characters are fun.

2067
01:59:29,920 --> 01:59:31,920
The characters are fun, but I would say...

2068
01:59:31,920 --> 01:59:38,760
And the biggest difference for me is I didn't walk away from The Thing feeling like I needed

2069
01:59:38,760 --> 01:59:45,200
more from not like a positive way, but like the film was lacking, which cold skin.

2070
01:59:45,200 --> 01:59:48,240
I did walk away being like, it's missing something.

2071
01:59:48,240 --> 01:59:52,040
But you did walk away from 2011's The Thing going, why didn't I just watch John Carpenter's

2072
01:59:52,040 --> 01:59:53,040
The Thing?

2073
01:59:53,040 --> 01:59:55,040
No, because I usually just watch it immediately after.

2074
01:59:55,040 --> 01:59:57,920
I don't know, Gruner is such a fun character.

2075
01:59:57,920 --> 01:59:58,920
He is.

2076
01:59:58,920 --> 02:00:04,120
I would say the action in cold skin is better than the action in 2011 The Thing, because

2077
02:00:04,120 --> 02:00:09,760
2011 The Thing, it's, while it is more bloody and action-y with spurts of action as opposed

2078
02:00:09,760 --> 02:00:11,560
to long action scenes.

2079
02:00:11,560 --> 02:00:12,560
Yes.

2080
02:00:12,560 --> 02:00:13,560
That's true.

2081
02:00:13,560 --> 02:00:19,320
I also, I like deep ones, and we don't see a lot of deep ones in a lot of movies.

2082
02:00:19,320 --> 02:00:20,320
We don't.

2083
02:00:20,320 --> 02:00:24,760
But I think we can both agree.

2084
02:00:24,760 --> 02:00:33,240
John Carpenter's The Thing, Think 2011 and Cold Skin are like pretty good movies, and

2085
02:00:33,240 --> 02:00:38,320
then AVPs like kind of just way over here is like a very distant fourth.

2086
02:00:38,320 --> 02:00:39,320
All of you should watch.

2087
02:00:39,320 --> 02:00:44,320
Now, due to DC, contact my controls, due to DC, that's just 2-2-3-3.

2088
02:00:44,320 --> 02:00:49,880
In fact, all of you should watch John Carpenter.

2089
02:00:49,880 --> 02:00:50,880
You all know it's good.

2090
02:00:50,880 --> 02:00:51,880
You've all seen it.

2091
02:00:51,880 --> 02:00:52,880
I know.

2092
02:00:52,880 --> 02:00:59,120
I would recommend both things, and Cold Skin wholeheartedly, and I would only recommend

2093
02:00:59,120 --> 02:01:06,360
AVP to those people who like watching trash cinema, for watching trash cinema.

2094
02:01:06,360 --> 02:01:10,320
I can agree with that, because I am a enjoyer of trash cinema.

2095
02:01:10,320 --> 02:01:11,320
Trash cinema.

2096
02:01:11,320 --> 02:01:12,320
Yep.

2097
02:01:12,320 --> 02:01:15,320
Anyways, that's Frozen with Fear.

2098
02:01:15,320 --> 02:01:16,920
That is Frozen with Fear.

2099
02:01:16,920 --> 02:01:21,760
Thank you for venturing to Antarctica and them the equator with us.

2100
02:01:21,760 --> 02:01:22,760
Yep.

2101
02:01:22,760 --> 02:01:27,760
I hope you enjoyed this on this chilly, this voyage.

2102
02:01:27,760 --> 02:01:36,000
If you enjoyed this series, or are interested in more of maybe like our takes on things

2103
02:01:36,000 --> 02:01:42,840
as occasional like posts or whatever, just feel free to comment.

2104
02:01:42,840 --> 02:01:44,880
We want those weirdos back.

2105
02:01:44,880 --> 02:01:45,880
Yeah.

2106
02:01:45,880 --> 02:01:46,880
I'd come back.

2107
02:01:46,880 --> 02:01:47,880
This is just fun.

2108
02:01:47,880 --> 02:01:48,880
Yeah.

2109
02:01:48,880 --> 02:01:49,880
I enjoyed it.

2110
02:01:49,880 --> 02:01:57,760
But keep subscribing on Patreon to Camp Kaiju, support them with buying a t-shirt from Bandit's

2111
02:01:57,760 --> 02:01:58,760
Emporium.

2112
02:01:58,760 --> 02:02:00,760
They've got some cool designs over there.

2113
02:02:00,760 --> 02:02:01,760
Yeah.

2114
02:02:01,760 --> 02:02:06,760
And like, subscribe, share, do all the good things to make podcasts like this possible.

2115
02:02:06,760 --> 02:02:07,760
Yeah.

2116
02:02:07,760 --> 02:02:08,760
This is a fun time.

2117
02:02:08,760 --> 02:02:09,760
I had a good time.

2118
02:02:09,760 --> 02:02:10,760
I've enjoyed myself.

2119
02:02:10,760 --> 02:02:11,760
Yes.

2120
02:02:11,760 --> 02:02:12,760
Alright.

2121
02:02:12,760 --> 02:02:13,760
Have a good one.

2122
02:02:13,760 --> 02:02:14,760
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2123
02:02:14,760 --> 02:02:22,400
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2124
02:02:22,400 --> 02:02:25,480
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2125
02:02:25,480 --> 02:02:32,640
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2126
02:02:32,640 --> 02:02:49,280
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