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Hello and welcome to Camp Kaiju Monster Movie Podcast.

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We're your hosts, Matt Levine and Vincent Hannum.

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And we are talking about all of our favorite monster movies, The Good, The Bad, and The

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Downright Campy, and asking if they stand the test of time.

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Traditional Kaiju, creature features, space invaders, the supernatural, and everything

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in between.

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All strange beasts are welcome here.

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Follow the Zach Pack on social media and contact the Zach Pack for investment opportunities.

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Link in the bio.

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The Jennings family has just moved to the small town of Canaima.

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Oh, Ross, smell that air.

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In search of a simpler life.

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Want to blow up a bull fry?

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Okay.

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The Zach Pack is the perfect place.

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Goodbye crime, goodbye grime.

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Except for one pesty little problem.

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Come with me and look at the web.

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The web?

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I have a terrible fear of spiders.

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Come on, we live in a country now.

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It's time to work through this irrational paralyzing error.

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It's not irrational.

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Hollywood Pictures and Amblin Entertainment present Jeff Daniels.

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Honey, we're in the living room.

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We need you to kill a spider.

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And John Goodman.

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I'm over at Fintock Infestation Management.

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My god, it's just a spider.

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Would anybody object if I tore this floor up?

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I would.

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False alarm, then leave on.

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There's no spider here.

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Every so often in a little town somewhere, there is a hell scour.

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There's a rumor going around that some kind of spider might have killed Sam Metcalf.

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Tower phone.

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Spiders make convenient culprits.

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There's no spider here.

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I think one of your Venezuelan spiders hitched a ride here.

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There may be some spiders around here that are very dangerous.

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Dad, chill out.

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Just run.

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They spread out from a central nest in a web-like pattern and dominate the entire area.

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When that happens, this town is dead.

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Better encircle my private stock.

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Rock and roll!

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Hollywood Pictures and Amblin Entertainment present

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Arachnophobia, eight legs, two fangs, and an attitude.

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Hurt God, Floyd.

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If we find the spider that did this, you can arrest him.

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Arachnophobia, a thrillomedy.

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Now that Chi July is over, we are in the midst of August, we're going to be talking about

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a really fun movie, Arachnophobia, from 1990.

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This is kind of an update of older creature features.

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There were some that were about spiders from back in the day, like Tarantula from 1955.

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You got Kingdom of the Spiders from 1977 starring William Shatner, I believe.

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So cool.

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I didn't realize he was in that.

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I mean, I still have to see that movie, Kingdom of the Spiders.

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It's fun.

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It's a little gross.

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And they definitely do kill a lot of spiders.

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And something I'll be talking about here in a little bit is that I'm no huge fan of

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spiders.

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They actually do scare the hell out of me.

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But I also don't think you should just kill a bunch of them in order to make a movie.

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So that's an unfortunate thing about Kingdom of the Spiders.

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That is not the case with Arachnophobia, where animal safety was one of their foremost concerns.

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But we'll get into that a little bit more later.

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Vincent, I'm curious what your history is with the movie Arachnophobia.

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Oh, oh, okay.

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My history with the movie is this is one of those films that I have distinct memories

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of when I was a kid.

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Like certain images seared into my psyche.

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But I had not seen it since I was a kid.

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So we're probably talking 20 plus years at this point since I had seen it.

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And that's always fun because I always wonder if what I remember is actually a scene from

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the movie or if like, you know, over the decades, my brain has conflated things.

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But no, there were I always remember the spider under the toilet bowl.

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Yeah, I was like, oh, there it is.

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There it is.

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Yeah, for sure.

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It's the same with me.

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I watched this back in middle school, I think, which was I'm not even going to say how long

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ago it was a long time ago.

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And yeah, for me, it's the image of like the spider in the popcorn bowl and like the person

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like digging their hand in the popcorn bowl.

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And and then of course, the scene cuts right away.

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That shot has stuck with me for several decades now.

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And I think this movie is like if, you know, film is a visual medium and you just I would

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think you as a filmmaker, you want to create images that last.

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That is the format you're working with.

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And arachnophobia is just, I think, one memorable scene after another.

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Yeah, it's very fast paced, very entertaining.

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But we'll get more into that.

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We're kind of getting ahead of ourselves a little bit.

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An unknown species of horror is born.

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An unknown species of horror is born as science fiction becomes science fact.

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If you find any problems out there at Colby's place, just keep it to yourself.

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He's over at Colby's.

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He's found another 20 or 30 hills just like the one we burned.

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I mean, this right here is scientific phenomenon.

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As you know, all species of megalomorphs are cannibalistic.

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If you put them together, they'll kill each other off.

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They just don't colonize like ants or bees do.

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An army of deadly predators searching, destroying anything in their path.

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Why did they come?

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What do they want?

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In the tradition of the great science fiction thrillers, Dimension Pictures presents Kingdom

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of the Spiders starring William Shatner, Tiffany Bowling, Woody Strode, and introducing Alta

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Bees Davis.

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The spiders in this area have organized themselves into an aggressive army.

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Your nightmares will never be the same.

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Kingdom of the Spiders.

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The next victim could be you.

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But what if circumstances magnified one of them size and strength?

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Took it out of its primitive world and turned it loose in hours.

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Then expect something that's fiercer, more cruel and deadly than anything that ever walked

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the earth.

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Even science will stunned.

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The new atomic miracle should have been mankind's greatest boon.

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Instead, when such power to cause phenomenal growth proved dangerously unstable, man was

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confronted with his most shocking blunder.

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The isotope triggered our nutrient into a nightmare.

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A blunder that transformed a tiny insect into the hundred foot spider that was now ravaging

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the panic stricken countryside.

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What kind of merchandise do we have these days, Vincent?

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Well speaking of tarantula, there is on Camp Kaiju, no, sorry, yep, campkaiju.threadless.com.

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You can find a line of t-shirts that I designed.

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I think they're worth checking out that feature the filmographies of various monster movie

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directors.

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So for example, Jack Arnold directed tarantula.

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You can get a t-shirt with Jack Arnold's sort of essential filmography on the back of the

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tee.

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Steven Spielberg, Ashiro Honda, I'll take requests.

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Matt, who's your favorite director in the field?

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Oh, in the monster movie field?

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That's a good question.

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Well, I mean, I love James Whale mostly for like the original Frankenstein movies.

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Bride of Frankenstein is probably my favorite monster movie of all time.

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Great.

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I'll order you up a James Whale t-shirt on the back.

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Frankenstein, Bride, Invisible Man, Old Dark House.

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I know, yeah, there's some other ones too.

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What else did he direct?

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Well, we'll find out when you design the t-shirt.

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I can't wait to see it.

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I mean like Ridley Scott because of Alien, but he doesn't have a ton of monster movies.

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He got David Cronenberg in The Fly.

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Cronenberg is a good one.

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Well, I can't wait to get my hands on one of those shirts.

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That sounds awesome.

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Let's see, what else do we have going on?

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And since last time on Camp Kaiju, that was our Godzilla versus Megalon episode, surprise

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episode.

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Max was here pinch hitting for you, Matt.

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So thanks to Max for doing that and he will return for our next episode following Arachnophobia

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when me, Matt Levine and Naomi Osborne back with her trivia will talk about 1999's The

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Mummy starring Brendan Fraser.

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I can't wait.

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That's another one that was, you know, kind of a formative thing for me when I was a kid

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and haven't seen in a long time.

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So it'll be good to revisit that.

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Yeah, yeah, same.

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So just real quick before we get back to Arachnophobia, we can take a little trip back in time for

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this general week or at least this month in monster movie history.

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Matt, I want to say I love some of these movies that you have picked here.

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It's fun to go back in time and kind of just think about or like remember what came out

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like 10 or 20 or 30 years ago because there was this movie that came out in August 2014.

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So about 10 years ago, as above, so below, which got pretty bad reviews.

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But I think it's good.

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I think it's really underrated.

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It's like very claustrophobic.

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They're like subterranean monsters.

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Highly recommended.

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Well, one I want to shout out here is Chud, which was released in August 1984.

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So happy 40th to Chud.

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Matt, do you know what Chud stands for?

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Chud.

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Oh, man.

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Something humanoid urban dwellers.

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Something humanoid underground dwellers, I think.

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Cannibal humanoid underground dwellers.

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Awesome.

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Listeners, fact check us on that.

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It's a fun movie.

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I've never seen it.

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I've like always known the title.

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I remember like the cover of the video back in the day when I went to Blockbuster after

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school, you know.

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So, yeah, I've always wanted to see it, but I never have.

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Low budget, schlocky, but fun.

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And actually, John Goodman has a very early role in that movie.

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Oh, nice.

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A little preview of coming attractions since he will be featured on tonight's episode as

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well.

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Well, that's a good reminder, I got to see Chud sometime soon for sure.

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I did also want to shout out The Gorgon from August of 1964.

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So six years ago at this point, it's maybe my favorite Hammer horror movie.

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So good British, super colorful, very campy horror movie.

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I recommend that one as well.

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In terms of stuff that's coming out soon in theaters, I, for one, am very excited about

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the new Alien movie, Alien Romulus.

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I know we keep talking about it and it's like the new.

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Do you watch the trailers for that?

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It looks intense.

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Pretty good trailers, I would say.

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I mean, I love the Alien series.

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There are not too many of those movies that I dislike.

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Same.

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Yeah.

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So I'm really excited.

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So like you mentioned, Vincent, we have The Mummy on our next episode of Camp Kaiju.

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Can't wait to talk about that.

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But then after that, Planet of the Apes by Tim Burton from 2001, another one that I haven't

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seen in a long time.

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Beneath the city of New York are living catacombs, an endless maze of subterranean tunnels, unfit

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for anything human, unauthorized for anything experimental, and unlikely to bring anyone

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down there.

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So they're coming up.

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Chud, cannibalistic, humanoid, underground dwellers.

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Chud, they're not staying down there anymore.

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It has been said that every legend and myth known to mankind is not entirely without some

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truth.

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It was here, under a full moon, in the little village of Vandorf, that an ancient legend

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suddenly terrifyingly came to life.

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Doctor, you'll perform an autopsy.

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On a body that's turned to stone?

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Have you ever heard of Magera?

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Magera?

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It's said that when mortals looked upon her face, they were turned to stone.

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Leave Vandorf before it's too late.

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What is it you're afraid of?

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I'm afraid for you.

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Or of what I may discover, if I remain.

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We want you out of this house, mister.

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Now.

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For 2,000 years, Magera the Gorgon had kept her evil peace.

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But now, this strange, unearthly creature returns to petrify every human being who crosses

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her path.

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King Peter Cushing is the doctor.

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Did his strange talents direct him to medicine or murder?

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Christopher Lee is the professor, confronted by a conspiracy of silence that paralyzed

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the village with terror.

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Magera died 2,000 years ago.

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It's her spirit we're concerned with today.

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It's found a resting place in somebody.

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Also starring Richard Pasco, Barbara Shelley, Michael Goodliff.

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The terrifying realism of the Gorgon.

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She comes to life and brings death to all those who look upon her face.

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So we talked about our histories with arachnophobia a little bit, the movie, but we haven't really

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talked about our histories with arachnophobia, the actual phobia.

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So do you have any good or terrifying spider stories?

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I do.

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I do.

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Do you have any?

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Yeah, I have two that come to mind right away.

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Okay.

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Yeah, I'd love to share this kind of stuff because I think that's what's so fun about

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this movie.

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And we have some listener comments from Enya's mailbox later on from Sean, actually, our

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patron, relating a story, a quite terrifying story about a spider.

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So I can't wait.

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So when I was a kid, my dad, he's a bit older.

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He just celebrated his 80th birthday, actually.

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He's from London.

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And when he was a Cockney Londoners, very working class, his father and his grandfather,

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they all sold groceries in the market.

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They were green grocers, custom mongers.

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And my dad always told me and my brother's story growing up, which I know is like so

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embellished.

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But the story, as I believed it as a kid, was that there was a man working in the market

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and he was opening a box of like bananas, fruit from the tropics.

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And out came a giant spider, bit the man on the arm.

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So what did the man do?

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He was a 1930s, 40s British man.

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He took a machete and chopped his arm off to stop the venom from getting into his body.

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Do you think the basics of that story are true?

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Or do you think it's just become a tall tale over the years?

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I have to assume it's a tall tale.

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But at the same time, I don't know.

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Think about nearly 100 years ago, you're just a man selling groceries, a giant spider, something

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you've probably never even seen before, bites you, probably hurts like hell.

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He probably freaked out.

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I mean, actually, now that I'm explaining it, it probably did happen that way.

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Yeah, it's not too far fetched.

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I can see that.

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I feel, you know, it depends on the size of the spider, but I'd probably do the same thing

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nowadays.

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Like I wouldn't go to the hospital.

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I'd just chop it off, whatever it is.

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So I can't blame him.

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I can't judge him.

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I would do the same.

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What's your story?

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Yeah, so I have two stories.

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You know, I think I have arachnophobia because of these two stories, which both happened

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to me when I was very young.

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So in the first one, I was probably like five years old, I want to say.

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And I was like sitting in the front yard.

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My mom was doing some like gardening and stuff and like some yard work.

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And I was sitting there just like playing.

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I don't really remember exactly what.

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But then like I felt something on the inside of my shirt.

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And I like looked down underneath my shirt and there was like a spider that was like

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crawling up my chest really fast in my face, which was scary enough.

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But then like, you know, I started like jumping up and down and screaming and doing like the

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get this off me sort of dance or whatever.

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And my mom just laughed at me.

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Like you know, because I'm sure it looked ridiculous.

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So that was sort of a traumatic experience.

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That was the first one.

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And then I remember a couple of years later, I was maybe around 10, I would say.

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We were at a store, like just a department store, and I was in the men's room.

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My mom was like waiting for me outside of the bathroom.

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And you know, I whatever, use the urinal.

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And there was a different urinal there that said, you know, do not flush.

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Like this, like this urinal is out of order or whatever.

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I can't remember exactly what it said.

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And of course, I was a 10 year old kid.

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So what did I do?

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I flushed it.

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Like I was like, oh, I'm going to flush this and see what happens.

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And a bunch of spiders like crawled out from like the bottom of the urinal, like a very

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small spiders.

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And they just kind of like swarmed the bathroom a little bit.

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And not a little bit like, like really, it was a lot of spiders.

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So of course, I like screamed and ran out of the bathroom.

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And again, my mom laughed at me.

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Although I'm sure it again looked ridiculous.

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So I can't blame her for that either.

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But those two formative spider stories are probably why I still am scared of spiders

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to this day.

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Matt, those stories could have been out of this movie.

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Those are horrifying.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean, they probably weren't actually huge spiders.

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Like the one in my shirt was just like a daddy long legs or whatever.

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But you know, which is not technically a spider, I know.

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But you know, when you're a kid, it's like the scariest thing ever.

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Yeah, I grew up in Florida.

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And down there in the subtropical climate, you get a lot of spiders, get a lot of big

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spiders.

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They're called banana spiders.

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These things are the size of your palm.

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They are brightly colored.

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It looks like they have like a skull pattern on their back.

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Really, really like out of Starship Troopers almost type of bugs.

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And they weave these giant webs.

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Oh my God, I've been hiking in Florida and stopped short of walking straight into one

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of these webs and the spider right in the middle of it.

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We had a giant house spiders growing up that actually resembled the little spiders in arachnophobia.

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These things were fast.

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They would shoot across our living room floor.

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And we were all like trying to kill it, like throwing things at it.

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Man, terrifying.

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I mean, I'm probably going to have nightmares tonight just talking about this stuff, which

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is not a bad thing.

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I mean, it's fun to be scared, you know, as we've talked about on the podcast before,

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to a certain extent it is if it's like, you know, as long as it's not like debilitating

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fear or whatever, if it's kind of just like a little chill on the spine, then it's kind

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of fun.

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Yeah.

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Well, this is a good movie for scaring people if you are afraid of spiders.

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And if you're not, I think it's just like gross.

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It just like hits a primal place in our our lizard brains where we're just like, oh no,

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no, no, no, no, that's that's danger.

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That's a red flag.

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Right.

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So you're just going to have to get out before you put your feet in them.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Creepy crawlies.

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And it's just kind of like not knowing what's lurking in like the dark corners of your basement

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or whatever, you know, like, yeah, it's a scary thought.

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Okay.

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We'll tell more stories with Menia's mailbox.

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But yeah, I'm excited to dig into this film in the meantime.

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Yeah, for sure.

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On that note, maybe we'll talk about some of the cast and crew of the film Arachnophobia.

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So it was the directorial debut of Frank Marshall.

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He's a very well known producer who co-founded Amblin Entertainment with his wife Kathleen

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Kennedy and Steven Spielberg in 1980.

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So Marshall produced or co-produced such Spielberg films as Raiders of the Lost Ark

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and Empire of the Sun.

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He also co-produced Poltergeist alongside Steven Spielberg.

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After Arachnophobia, Frank Marshall would go on to direct a few other movies such as

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Alive from 1993 and Congo from 1995, which is awesome.

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I love the movie Congo.

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It's so ridiculous.

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And he's also produced a lot of other movies since then as well.

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So maybe most well known as a producer, but a director as well.

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Yeah, with chops too.

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I mean, I think Arachnophobia is competently, if not inspired in some points, it is at least

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a competently filmed thriller.

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Yeah, for sure.

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You know, as a director, I don't know if you could say that Frank Marshall is like much

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more than like a craftsman, like a professional, you know, but that's not necessarily a bad

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thing, especially if you're making popcorn entertainment.

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Like, he does a really good job at it.

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The film was written by Don Jacoby and Wesley Strick.

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Wesley Strick is kind of familiar to us because he wrote the movie Wolf starring Jack Nicholson,

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which we've talked about in the podcast.

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I can't believe how often Wolf comes up in this podcast.

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Yeah, I know.

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Me too.

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I feel like if I remember right, that was one that I recommended.

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And it was mostly because like, I was like, oh, yeah, this movie, I feel like nobody remembers

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this anymore, even though, you know, Jack Nicholson, Mike Nichols, Michelle Pfeiffer,

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like early 90s, you would think it would be more well known.

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But it seemed kind of obscure to me.

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So I was like, oh, yeah, let's bring Wolf to the podcast.

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And you're totally right, ever since then, like, seemingly almost every episode, we talk

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about that movie at some point.

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It's making a comeback.

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You know, the six degrees of Wolf, the game that we'll play from now on.

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Wesley Strick also wrote the remake of Cape Fear that Martin Scorsese directed.

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I just wanted to mention that because I rewatched that movie recently.

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And that's another great one.

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Really, really fun.

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I think special mention should be made of the animal crew in arachnophobia.

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We'll talk more about that later.

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But the animal trainer is Mark Harden.

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The spider spotter is Jurgen Hyman.

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I don't even really want to know exactly what that job does.

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A spider spotter, but it's in the credits.

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So there you go.

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There's a spider consultant, Arnold Peterson, as well as a spider wrangler, Steven Kutcher.

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The animal work in this movie is really incredible.

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One of my favorite parts about the movie.

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So I wanted to give them a shout out for sure.

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Oh, absolutely.

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Like they without their success, this movie would not work.

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Yeah.

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And we'll get into some of the specifics of like how exactly they made that happen a little

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bit later.

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You have cinematography by Mikhail Solomon.

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He also shot The Abyss, Always, Backdraft and Far and Away.

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So he was certainly a very accomplished cinematographer in the late 80s slash early 90s.

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Then you have music by Trevor Jones, who scored also some very famous movies of the 80s and

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90s.

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The Dark Crystal, Time Bandits, Labyrinth, The Last of the Mohicans, all pretty well

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known scores.

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So, you know, some some pretty good talent behind the camera here.

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Some talent in front of the camera as well.

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Jeff Daniels leads this cast.

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He plays Dr. Ross Jennings, the titular arachnophobe.

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He moves this small California town with his family.

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He's got his degree from Yale.

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He's ready to set up shop as the town doctor.

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As we'll talk about, events do not work out that way.

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And he ends up kind of just, well, fighting for his life from an army of spiders.

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Things go sideways real quick for Jeff Daniels in this movie.

490
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:19,320
Yeah, the moment you hear that he is an arachnophobe, it's like, oh, man, it's not going to go well

491
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:20,320
for you.

492
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:24,240
You're in the worst possible spot right now.

493
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:29,720
Playing his wife is Harley Jane Kozak as Molly Jennings.

494
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,960
Another main actor is Julian Sands.

495
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,200
He plays the spider expert.

496
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,680
You got to have one in a creature feature like this.

497
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,200
Dr. James Atherton.

498
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:43,880
And then really well known and a supporting role in this movie is John Goodman as the

499
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,600
exterminator Delbert McClintock.

500
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:53,920
Yeah, you know, a lot of this movie is a comedy, but John Goodman definitely is the overt comic

501
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:54,920
relief.

502
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:56,600
He's a very cartoonish, ridiculous character.

503
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:57,600
He's a lot of fun.

504
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:58,600
Yeah, yeah.

505
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:02,000
But this time he was pretty big, I think, with the Roseanne show.

506
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:07,560
Yeah, and I think he was in always the Steven Spielberg movie from 87, I think it is.

507
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,360
And Spielberg wanted him in this movie.

508
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:13,600
So if Spielberg is on your side, that's a good connection to have.

509
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:18,800
Spielberg has to be arguably the most powerful man in Hollywood, right?

510
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:24,160
Yeah, I mean, certainly at this time, I think you can make that argument in 1990.

511
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,920
Yeah, like he's still up there for sure.

512
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,720
I don't know if you can say he's the most powerful man in Hollywood right now.

513
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,840
But yeah, I mean, like one of the last studio greats for sure.

514
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:42,040
Yeah, a connector of the generations, someone who started in that waning days of the studio

515
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,240
system and still making movies now.

516
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,480
Yeah, it was really good movies.

517
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:53,160
I mean, West Side Story, like the fabled men's a lot, even if it's kind of corny at times.

518
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:57,360
You know, I've had an up and down relationship with Spielberg over the years, but how can

519
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:58,360
you not love him?

520
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,800
He's he's a great visual storyteller.

521
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:01,920
Yeah.

522
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,400
Not totally relevant to this movie because he did not direct it, but still he's he's

523
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:06,400
a producer on it.

524
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,920
So, you know, it's got that touch, though.

525
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:10,600
And that's the Frank Marshall connection.

526
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:16,040
Like if I didn't know who Frank Marshall was, I might think.

527
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:17,520
Is this a Spielberg movie?

528
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:21,960
It's just kind of got that like Back to the Future is kind of the same way, even though

529
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,040
it's a Mechis directed film.

530
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:29,360
There's just there's like an aesthetic that's very Spielbergian.

531
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,400
Yeah, for sure.

532
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:36,240
Like Small Town Innocence and then something kind of spooky or gross like intrudes on that,

533
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:37,240
you know.

534
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:38,240
Yeah.

535
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,880
Ultra Guice is kind of similar, like directed by Toby Hooper, even though there's like some

536
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,200
rumors about like how much directing Spielberg actually did on that movie.

537
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:50,360
So I don't want to suggest that like this is a similar case because I think this was

538
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,160
fully directed by Frank Marshall.

539
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:57,040
But yeah, there's like definitely that Spielberg touch to it for sure.

540
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:01,680
So that's a good segue to talk about the production of the movie a little bit.

541
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:07,200
It was the first release from Hollywood Pictures, which is a subsidiary of Walt Disney Studios

542
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,360
that was created to release more adult fare.

543
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,580
I think if Disney had released this movie, there would have been a lot of angry parents

544
00:31:13,580 --> 00:31:14,580
out there.

545
00:31:14,580 --> 00:31:15,960
So it makes sense.

546
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:20,800
Kind of this was the first one for Hollywood Pictures.

547
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,360
The original script was kind of just more of a horror movie, like by the numbers, you

548
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:29,040
know, sort of like Jeff Daniels actually had a line in an interview where he was like,

549
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:33,480
it felt like the original screenplay was like written by a computer, which is kind of crazy

550
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:34,840
to say in 1990.

551
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:39,700
Like, you know, now that actually is a legitimate concern.

552
00:31:39,700 --> 00:31:41,880
Back then, I don't think that really happened all that much.

553
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:46,600
But yeah, no, like the original script was definitely kind of just a stereotypical horror

554
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:47,680
movie.

555
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,680
When Jeff Daniels came on board, he and Frank Marshall discussed adding comedy to the movie,

556
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,240
kind of lightening the tone a little bit.

557
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:59,880
They made the Dr. Ross Jennings character an arachnophobe, which he was not in the original

558
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,480
screenplay.

559
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,000
And there were some other rewrites as well.

560
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:10,440
Frank Marshall said that Hitchcock Films and maybe not surprisingly Jaws, of course, by

561
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,520
Spielberg were kind of influences throughout the rewrite process.

562
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:15,520
I can see that.

563
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:20,920
And actually, I thought before I knew any of Marshall's references to Hitchcock, it

564
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:26,640
didn't take long into me watching Arachnophobia where I went, this reminds me of the birds.

565
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,740
It's like that California small town.

566
00:32:30,740 --> 00:32:34,960
And so no surprise that was an explicit reference.

567
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,640
Yeah, yeah, for sure.

568
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,040
It's interesting because I, you know, this, like I said, is a comedy and the birds, I

569
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,920
just find like I love the birds a lot, but I feel like that's actually a pretty like

570
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:46,080
bleak and depressing movie.

571
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,840
You know, there's a lot of like twisted psychological stuff going on.

572
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,040
So Arachnophobia, way more of a comedy than the birds.

573
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,560
But you're definitely right that there is a lot of like overlap there in other ways.

574
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,680
Yeah, yeah.

575
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:02,680
So the opening scenes of Arachnophobia were actually shot in Venezuela.

576
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,080
It was which is where the opening scenes are set as well.

577
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:11,000
It was a difficult location that required the use of five different helicopters to access.

578
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,400
And they didn't really have that much like the weather was very unpredictable.

579
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:18,600
So they might have been able to only shoot maybe like 20 minutes a day.

580
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:22,400
So you know, it kind of seems like they made it as difficult as possible.

581
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,160
But it is a great, great setting for the for the opening scenes for sure.

582
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:27,160
Incredible opening.

583
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,840
I'll get more to that later on.

584
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:34,360
I saw I was just looking ahead at your notes and seems like we got a lot about the spiders

585
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,040
themselves.

586
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:40,960
So you ready to face your fears and talk about these bad boys?

587
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:45,840
Man, I'm just going to think happy thoughts as we talk about this so I don't get too freaked

588
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:46,840
out.

589
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:47,840
But I'm ready.

590
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:48,840
Yeah.

591
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:54,720
So we had a number of live spiders, but we'll start with the fake spider.

592
00:33:54,720 --> 00:34:02,600
So there were some animatronic puppet creatures used in the film and they are denoted by a

593
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:03,600
couple of names.

594
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,440
So you have what's known as the general.

595
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:13,800
And that is Matt, correct me if I'm wrong, the general spider big tarantula looking thing.

596
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:18,200
That's the one that came back from Venezuela back to California.

597
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:19,200
Yeah.

598
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:20,200
Yep.

599
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:21,200
Like the supervillain of the movie, basically.

600
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:22,200
OK, great.

601
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:26,440
And this is a good time brief synopsis because there's not much to this film.

602
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,560
There's a spider research team in Venezuela.

603
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:35,800
They have discovered an ancient species of spider, which of course makes them super venomous

604
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:40,760
and immune to our anti-venoms and stuff.

605
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:46,160
But one of those scientists, he's a photographer with the crew, but he gets killed by one of

606
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:51,640
these spiders and then unbeknownst to the team, that spider, the general, stows away

607
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:57,620
in the coffin of the dead man who is from this California town.

608
00:34:57,620 --> 00:35:03,440
So fate brings the general to the same town that Jeff Daniels is moving to.

609
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:11,160
The general gets out, of course, and then meets with a local spider, thus spawning essentially

610
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:19,660
an army of like mutated, genetically altered, super venomous spiders.

611
00:35:19,660 --> 00:35:20,660
And that's it.

612
00:35:20,660 --> 00:35:21,660
That's the story, really.

613
00:35:21,660 --> 00:35:22,820
And that's all you need.

614
00:35:22,820 --> 00:35:23,820
That's all you need to know.

615
00:35:23,820 --> 00:35:25,760
There are a lot of grisly deaths.

616
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:30,200
They finally figure out what's going on and they try to hunt down the general and destroy

617
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:31,200
the nest.

618
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:32,200
Right.

619
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:33,200
Right.

620
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:34,800
As gross as it sounds.

621
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,480
So the general was an animatronic for some shots.

622
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:45,280
It was played, quote unquote, by a bird eating tarantula that measures one foot across for

623
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,000
long shots that showed any real live spider.

624
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:55,620
To make the general even scarier, the crew painted purple stripes on its back and added

625
00:35:55,620 --> 00:35:57,360
a prosthetic abdomen.

626
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:58,360
Yeah.

627
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:03,040
So, yeah, kind of staying on the animatronic spiders a little bit, although the general

628
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,640
is partly played by a real life life spider as well.

629
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:13,000
But the biggest animatronic spider in arachnophobia was developed by Jamie Heineman, who is in

630
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,200
the show Mythbusters.

631
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:16,640
I've never seen that show.

632
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,960
I'm not too excited about that.

633
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,480
But I like it from what I read online.

634
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:21,960
Like, it's kind of a big deal, I guess.

635
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,200
So it's a cool little factoid.

636
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:25,600
Yeah, for sure.

637
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,200
And like this one, I think was like one of his first movies that he did special effects

638
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:30,200
work on.

639
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:34,920
So, yeah, big, big movie for him, for sure.

640
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:41,880
He created the 15 inch diameter animatronic spider that the crew nicknamed Big Bob.

641
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:43,120
Sort of a fun connection.

642
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,520
Big Bob was named after Robert Zemeckis, who you just mentioned.

643
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:47,520
All right.

644
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,600
Friends with Spielberg and Frank Marshall.

645
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:50,720
Yeah.

646
00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:52,520
These guys, they're just thick as thieves.

647
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:58,800
You know, they're just they're just they're just like all these kids just playing in the

648
00:36:58,800 --> 00:36:59,800
same sandbox.

649
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:00,800
Right.

650
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:01,800
Yeah.

651
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:07,040
No, like they're you know, they're boys who like love getting grossed out by stuff.

652
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:11,440
They just love like scary, scary stuff, which is cool.

653
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,480
I mean, I find that pretty charming, you know.

654
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:14,480
Yeah.

655
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:20,080
Their work has influenced a generation of filmmakers, including you and I.

656
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:21,080
Yeah, absolutely.

657
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:22,080
Yeah.

658
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:23,080
Yeah.

659
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:27,760
You know, eventually, hopefully you also are like, oh, I bet there are other good movies

660
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:32,640
out there, too, like beyond the, you know, the Spielberg, George Lucas, like this kind

661
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,680
of group of friends or whatever.

662
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,280
But that's not to like slight what these guys are doing.

663
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,240
So many good, fun movies that they made for sure.

664
00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:43,800
So, yeah, we talked about the animatronics.

665
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:48,120
But like I mentioned before, I think the best thing about this movie is the I don't want

666
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:52,000
to say training because you can't really train spiders, but just like the manipulation of

667
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,600
the real life spiders in this movie.

668
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,080
So I'd love to spend a little time on that if that's OK.

669
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:03,160
Yeah, I think that's the like I said, I think that's the meat of this movie.

670
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:04,160
Yeah.

671
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:05,160
Yeah.

672
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:11,720
So the smaller spiders that are seen throughout arachnophobia, which are maybe like three

673
00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:17,520
inches in diameter, that'd be my guess for like most of the smaller ones, they were cast

674
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:22,000
through a rigorous process that the crew called the Spider Olympics.

675
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:29,000
They assessed a lot of different species of spiders for fearsome appearance, lack of danger

676
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,880
to humans, just in case they did bite actors or like any of the crew members or anything

677
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:37,400
like that speed, because the faster they are, the scarier they are.

678
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:42,280
Like you said, Vincent, for those in Florida, climbing ability and some other criteria as

679
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:43,440
well.

680
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:47,840
So the winning species that was eventually cast in the film was the Delena spider from

681
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:52,840
Australia, which is harmless to humans, but very sinister looking.

682
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,520
I see in my notes that they do measure about three inches across.

683
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,000
So my guess was pretty accurate.

684
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:58,000
Yeah.

685
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,720
Three hundred of those spiders were shipped to the US for production only to start off

686
00:39:01,720 --> 00:39:07,620
with and more spiders were shipped to the shoot throughout the months long filming process.

687
00:39:07,620 --> 00:39:12,160
So I do not want to think about 300 spiders being like packed in the crate and like shipped

688
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:16,680
to the United States, but but that's what they did.

689
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:20,520
And these spiders were not harmed.

690
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:24,280
Actually, they were treated like any other animal.

691
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,000
They were protected on set.

692
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,240
This is a crazy interesting fact about the movie.

693
00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:33,400
So there's the pretty well known shot where John Goodman is the exterminator.

694
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:38,160
He this is a testament to the sound design of this movie, too.

695
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:42,740
He crunches a spider under his boot and he lifts the boot and there's a lot of like guts

696
00:39:42,740 --> 00:39:44,320
and stuff.

697
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,560
That spider was safe the entire time.

698
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:52,360
There was a cutout underneath or in the soul of John Goodman's boot.

699
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,200
So the spider would be safe.

700
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:59,080
And then when John Goodman would lift his foot, they would take the spider out and make

701
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:04,280
sure it was OK and then take this take the shot again if they needed to.

702
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:05,280
I love that story.

703
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:06,280
Yeah.

704
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,600
There's a lot of moments, too, where characters like drop a book on a spider and like even

705
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:13,080
then there's like a little foam cutout on the bottom of the book.

706
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,440
So the spiders weren't harmed in that case either.

707
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,640
Yeah, which is very, very cool.

708
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,680
I mean, they went to a lot of care to make sure the spiders were not harmed.

709
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,520
Like even in that last scene where Jeff Daniels.

710
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,960
Well, I don't want to give away any spoilers.

711
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,480
It must have been really not fun for Jeff Daniels to shoot the last scene of this movie

712
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:36,360
where like he's in an uncomfortable position and he has to like throw things at a huge

713
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:41,360
spider like close enough to like make it seem like he's hitting it, but not close enough

714
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,600
to actually hurt it.

715
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:47,360
The filming of that last scene of the movie took like two weeks and Jeff Daniels is like

716
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,440
pinned under this furniture the entire time.

717
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:51,760
So kudos to Jeff Daniels.

718
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,600
That must have been kind of unpleasant.

719
00:40:53,600 --> 00:41:00,240
But yeah, there were a lot of pretty ingenious ways that the crew developed to kind of manipulate

720
00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:04,400
the spiders to kind of get them where they needed the spiders to go in a certain shot.

721
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:08,580
Some of those, you know, special effects were pretty simple, actually, just kind of using

722
00:41:08,580 --> 00:41:11,640
magnets and blow dryers to move the spiders around.

723
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:15,840
They even kind of would spray like lemon pledge on furniture because the spiders didn't like

724
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:16,840
walking in that.

725
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:20,960
So they would like create a little walkway for them to like kind of hit their marks or

726
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:22,400
whatever.

727
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:26,720
So some really clever ways to kind of manipulate the spiders in that way.

728
00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:28,200
Yeah, it's incredible.

729
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:29,200
Really.

730
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:33,280
Did you just mention sorry if you did vibrating wires?

731
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,800
No, but that's fascinating, too.

732
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:42,000
Yeah, they strung wires again to make to like, corral the spiders to go where they want it

733
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:46,920
because the spiders wouldn't step over the the wires once they were vibrating.

734
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,920
Yeah, yeah, like totally.

735
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:51,920
That's really ingenious.

736
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,920
They even sometimes like put the spiders to sleep with carbon dioxide.

737
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,040
And then yeah, I know.

738
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:03,840
And then like they put tiny leashes on them like they're called mono filament leashes

739
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,840
that were attached by wax to the spiders' abdomens.

740
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:14,120
Yeah, we're like really complex, very effective ways to move the spiders around for sure.

741
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,600
Yeah, there's just no other movie like this.

742
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:21,280
Like other spider movies are not they don't use real spiders.

743
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:25,280
They use optical illusions to make the spider look bigger.

744
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:31,120
Or later with like eight legged freaks, they're all CG animated models.

745
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:36,880
But arachnophobia really is the only thing of its kind that I know of.

746
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,560
Yeah, it's the only one that I can think of, too.

747
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:43,800
I mean, like older spider movies, you might have real live spiders, but they're you know,

748
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,680
I feel like they just kind of like let them go and like point the camera at them.

749
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,280
It's not like they're really doing anything special or whatever, you know.

750
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,080
But in this one, they absolutely are.

751
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:53,080
Yeah.

752
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:54,080
Wow.

753
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:55,080
Very impressive.

754
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:56,320
This movie was a commercial success.

755
00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:01,880
It opened at number three at the box office behind Ghost and Die Hard 2.

756
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:07,040
So you know, a good summer at the movies in 1990.

757
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:12,560
It was marketed as a thrillomedy, a thriller with a sense of humor, which is a pretty dumb

758
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:13,800
term in my opinion.

759
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:18,080
But you know, those marketers, they come up with with clever stuff.

760
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:23,280
Well, they had trouble with this movie because and it was I think Marshall made it may have

761
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:29,360
come up with that term thrillomedy because and I do want to talk about this later in

762
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,080
my breakdown.

763
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:37,640
The tone of this movie between a horror thriller and a comedy.

764
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,840
Spoiler alert, I don't think it always works.

765
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,660
And clearly the mark, I think the marketer marketing department also didn't know how

766
00:43:44,660 --> 00:43:45,660
to sell this movie.

767
00:43:45,660 --> 00:43:47,240
I mean, it worked, obviously.

768
00:43:47,240 --> 00:43:51,380
But yeah, thrillomedy.

769
00:43:51,380 --> 00:43:53,760
So maybe the only movie to use that term.

770
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:54,760
Yeah.

771
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:55,760
Yeah.

772
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,560
Which, yeah, probably is a good thing.

773
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,160
I'm glad that term did not survive much longer.

774
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,560
But it seems weird to me because there had been horror comedies before, you know, like

775
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,640
Ghostbusters came out in 1984.

776
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,720
So I don't know why they were so uncomfortable with that blend.

777
00:44:08,720 --> 00:44:09,720
But yeah, they certainly were.

778
00:44:09,720 --> 00:44:10,720
You're right about that.

779
00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:14,760
I do want to mention there was a video game for arachnophobia that came out when after

780
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,720
the movie was released, which I really want to play.

781
00:44:17,720 --> 00:44:19,080
Like I don't know what you're doing.

782
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,280
Are you just like tracking down spiders the whole time?

783
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:25,000
I think it must have been for like second Genesis or something like a long time ago,

784
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:26,000
obviously.

785
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:27,000
But I want to find out.

786
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:28,000
It sounds cool.

787
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:35,520
And then I just wanted to mention that in 2018, a nematode deadly to tarantulas was

788
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:40,520
discovered and it was named after Jeff Daniels because of this movie.

789
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,760
I can try to pronounce the Latin name.

790
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:44,760
Tarantabool.

791
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:45,760
Tarantabool.

792
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:51,920
You know, this is harder than pronouncing some of the Japanese names on our Godzilla

793
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:52,920
episodes.

794
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:54,600
Anyways, it's pretty cool.

795
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:59,400
It's Jeff Daniels namesake, which is neat.

796
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:03,480
Which also reminds me, like he said that he did not mind working with the littler spiders

797
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:08,880
in this movie, but like the big breeding tarantulas that measures like a foot across, you know,

798
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:13,960
Jeff Daniels very logically and reasonably, it was like anybody would be scared to death

799
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,160
of that thing if you were like a couple feet away from it.

800
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:22,240
So yeah, I would feel the same Jeff Daniels and I would be very scared of the smaller

801
00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:23,240
spiders too.

802
00:45:23,240 --> 00:45:30,080
But and I just want to say I actually love spiders like as a species on this planet,

803
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,400
like I'm fascinated by them.

804
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:41,360
Anytime I go into a museum like a zoo, a natural history museum, I'm drawn to the spiders and

805
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,000
what they can do.

806
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,560
But dear God, don't let one touch me.

807
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:46,720
That's all I'm asking.

808
00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:48,400
That's just the difference.

809
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:49,880
That's the dividing line.

810
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,440
Yeah, that's my thought.

811
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:52,440
Exactly.

812
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:53,440
Yeah.

813
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,800
I mean, spiders do such amazing, helpful things for the planet.

814
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,200
They're like, you know, they kind of keep ecosystems in balance.

815
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:00,560
They eat a lot of other insects.

816
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:06,520
So they're, you know, a wonderful species that I don't ever want to deal with personally.

817
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:07,800
I'm with you on that.

818
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:08,800
Exactly.

819
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:10,200
Sort of like sharks and jaws, right?

820
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,920
Like sharks, amazing creatures that are just like so fascinating.

821
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:18,800
And yet, like, are they kind of like, awaken our deepest fears of like ancient monsters

822
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,000
and stuff like that?

823
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:21,000
Yeah, absolutely.

824
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,760
How about this remake that is it going to happen?

825
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:26,160
I think so.

826
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:31,240
The producer is James Wan, I'm pretty sure of saw fame.

827
00:46:31,240 --> 00:46:34,540
And yes, but he was just the producer.

828
00:46:34,540 --> 00:46:35,540
This was announced.

829
00:46:35,540 --> 00:46:37,760
The remake was announced in 2022.

830
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,200
But I don't think there have been any development since then.

831
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,160
So I kind of doubt it's ever going to happen.

832
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:44,160
You know that?

833
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:48,960
Well, let me ask you, you know, if they make if they remake arachnophobia, are they using

834
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:50,660
real spiders?

835
00:46:50,660 --> 00:46:52,040
I think it would be CGI.

836
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,080
I mean, 100%.

837
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:55,080
I hope they don't.

838
00:46:55,080 --> 00:47:00,480
I mean, the arachnophobia, it's, you know, I don't want to get too far ahead of ourselves.

839
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:04,080
Like, if you're not going to use real life spiders, you're probably not going to improve

840
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:05,080
on the original.

841
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:06,400
So just let it be.

842
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:11,720
Because I think what makes this movie so frightening is you're looking at real spiders.

843
00:47:11,720 --> 00:47:12,720
Yeah.

844
00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:18,620
If you if you make them CG, your brain intuitively knows that that's not real.

845
00:47:18,620 --> 00:47:20,520
So you can check out a little bit.

846
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:21,960
Yeah, exactly.

847
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,040
I feel that way about a lot of CGI.

848
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,880
Like, you know, there's like some of it looks great, of course, and it can be really exciting.

849
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:32,800
But like most of the time, it's like, I, you know, I know somebody worked on this and like

850
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,540
a computer lab for for many, many hours.

851
00:47:35,540 --> 00:47:40,380
That's not to slight computer like, you know, people who do CGI work invest a lot of time

852
00:47:40,380 --> 00:47:41,680
and energy and creativity.

853
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,040
So that's not to slight them at all.

854
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:49,120
But but yeah, there's a lack of like, tactility and a lack of, you know, just physical presence

855
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,800
that just kind of like limits the power level.

856
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:56,320
Which in a movie like this, I think is necessary to have.

857
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:57,320
Yeah.

858
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:58,320
Yeah.

859
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:02,400
So I hope they never make that remake.

860
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,040
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861
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865
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866
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867
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:34,680
Do we have any communications in Menia's mailbox?

868
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:35,680
We do.

869
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:36,680
We do.

870
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:40,240
So on Instagram, I put out a call on our stories.

871
00:48:40,240 --> 00:48:45,760
I asked for some histories with this movie or spiders in general.

872
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,800
And we got a couple of letters to open.

873
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,220
I don't know.

874
00:48:51,220 --> 00:48:53,760
But this is Sean, our wonderful patron.

875
00:48:53,760 --> 00:49:00,200
And Sean says, So I was playing games late at night in my first solo apartment and was

876
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:04,560
about to get to bed when I noticed something change in the lighting.

877
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:10,680
Mind you, my apartment had no installed lights, so I was using a dim lamp light.

878
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:15,100
I turn around and look up and I see a giant spider on the ceiling.

879
00:49:15,100 --> 00:49:21,120
It was massive, legit the size of a hardcover book.

880
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:25,600
So naturally I go and find a book that I know can get rid of it as I would never have read

881
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,240
it again.

882
00:49:27,240 --> 00:49:30,160
Our high school copy of the Iliad.

883
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:34,960
So when I came back to the room, the damn thing moved from the ceiling to the highest

884
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,240
part of the wall above my bed.

885
00:49:37,240 --> 00:49:41,640
As I walked in, it watched my every move.

886
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,000
I walk left and it turned left.

887
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:47,680
I walked to the right and it turned to the right.

888
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,920
I then got as close as possible and slammed the book against it.

889
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:55,640
And right when I did, it actually leaped at me with great speed.

890
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:58,840
I was faster and the book was bigger.

891
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:05,160
That is a first of all, well written story there, Sean.

892
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:06,160
But wow.

893
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:10,280
I would have pooped my pants.

894
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:14,720
Yeah, I probably would have just left the apartment and never come back.

895
00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:15,720
Break my lease, you know?

896
00:50:15,720 --> 00:50:16,720
Like keep the security deposit.

897
00:50:16,720 --> 00:50:19,240
I'm just going to move somewhere else.

898
00:50:19,240 --> 00:50:21,800
Man, that sounds horrible.

899
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:23,360
We all know that feeling.

900
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:24,360
Do you, Matt?

901
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:30,840
You're laying in your bed at night, lights are out and you look at your ceiling and you

902
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:34,480
see a dot on your ceiling and it starts to move.

903
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:36,000
But maybe it's not moving.

904
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,080
Maybe it's just your eyes playing tricks on you.

905
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,880
But you're like, no, I have to check.

906
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:46,600
So I turn on the lights and yeah, like for me, it happened the other week.

907
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:51,600
It was one of those house centipedes, which also scare the crap out of me.

908
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:52,600
Yeah, disgusting.

909
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:53,600
Yeah.

910
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:54,600
Ugh.

911
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:59,360
Well, there's a fun scene in Arachnophobia that kind of pays tribute to that where like

912
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:03,960
he thinks he sees a huge spider on the wall in the distance and I won't give away what

913
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,160
happens, but it's a very suspenseful moment.

914
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:07,720
That's about that exact same thing.

915
00:51:07,720 --> 00:51:08,720
It's a great moment.

916
00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:09,720
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

917
00:51:09,720 --> 00:51:16,040
I also, I don't think I hate is, you know, you do see like a spider, like a centipede

918
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:20,240
or whatever it is and you like, like in your bedroom, for example, and then you rush out

919
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:22,800
to like get a book or like something to smash it with.

920
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:24,720
And then you go back in and it's gone.

921
00:51:24,720 --> 00:51:27,440
You're like, you know, is it in the bed?

922
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,720
Is it like underneath the bed?

923
00:51:29,720 --> 00:51:31,000
Like where the hell did it go?

924
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:32,720
It's such a horrible feeling.

925
00:51:32,720 --> 00:51:37,840
You just might as well not sleep at all, you know, like, oh my God, quick, quick detour.

926
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:44,560
I stayed in a really shoddy motel, roadside motel once on a road trip.

927
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:51,560
I didn't sleep a wink that night because the whole room was, was crawling with earwigs.

928
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:53,960
God, that's so gross.

929
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:57,160
Man, how did like, but you stayed there all night.

930
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:02,960
Yeah, I mean, you do what you do when you're, you know, you're in college and just driving

931
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:03,960
in an old beater.

932
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:08,160
But yeah, I slept, I laid down on the covers.

933
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:10,200
I wouldn't dare get in the covers.

934
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:11,280
I kept the lights on.

935
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:14,520
I just, I didn't sleep.

936
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:17,160
Yeah, that is horrible, man.

937
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,160
I mean, you might as well just sleep in your car in that case.

938
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:23,200
That's a good point.

939
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,760
Different kind of terror, perhaps though.

940
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:26,760
Oh God.

941
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:27,760
Yeah.

942
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:31,160
Even, yeah, like just hearing these stories, like makes my skin crawl a little bit, which

943
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:35,160
is, you know, it's fun and really gross at the same time.

944
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:36,160
Yeah.

945
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:37,160
Cool.

946
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:41,240
Well, if you have, if anybody has any other spider stories that they want to share, feel

947
00:52:41,240 --> 00:52:46,080
free to reach out to us and the methods that I said earlier, we'll, we'll repeat those

948
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:47,120
later on the show.

949
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:51,240
So yeah, we'll, we'll read listener stories all season long.

950
00:52:51,240 --> 00:52:52,240
I don't care.

951
00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:53,240
Like that's great.

952
00:52:53,240 --> 00:52:54,240
Yeah.

953
00:52:54,240 --> 00:52:55,400
Yeah, for sure.

954
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:56,800
Your scariest spider story.

955
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:57,800
Let us know.

956
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:58,800
Yeah.

957
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:04,080
So Naomi, who does the trivia for us here on Camp Kaiju, she says of arachnophobia, I

958
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:05,080
love it.

959
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:10,040
Watch it as a kid when I only knew Jeff Daniels from Dumb and Dumber, which yeah, I mean,

960
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:11,040
totally.

961
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,160
Those are like the two most famous Jeff Daniels roles probably.

962
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:16,160
Speed, of course, is a great one as well.

963
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,120
But yeah, that's, that's good to hear.

964
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,000
Like Jeff Daniels is great in this movie.

965
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:25,920
He has like a very laid back charm and yeah, I'm happy to hear that Naomi likes it.

966
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:27,440
Yeah, I agree.

967
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:28,440
I concur.

968
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:29,440
Yeah.

969
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:30,440
All right.

970
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:36,400
So speaking of Naomi and trivia, if you all out there want to play, are your next chance

971
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,600
to do so is with our mummy episode.

972
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:43,720
So tune into that one, be released in two weeks.

973
00:53:43,720 --> 00:53:47,880
Naomi will have a trivia question about the movie, about the mummy.

974
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:51,800
And then after that, you will have a one week to submit your answers.

975
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:57,600
You can post the answer on social media, comment on your, you know, wherever you're listening

976
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:01,080
to the podcast, you can email us again.

977
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:04,080
Everything you heard at the top of the show, call in.

978
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:10,080
If you call in to the Kaiju hotline, you'll be entered into the drawing twice.

979
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,560
So that's a pretty huge advantage.

980
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:15,600
Do it, have fun with it.

981
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:21,800
And yeah, we'll, we'll pick up trivia again next time.

982
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:26,840
Maybe you'll receive one of those Jack Arnold of filmography t-shirts.

983
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:28,640
Maybe the sky's limit.

984
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:29,840
We're still playing around with this.

985
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:35,120
So yeah, get some sweet merch, check it out at our threadless store and enter, enter to

986
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,440
win just playing some trivia.

987
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:38,440
Sounds sounds fun.

988
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:39,440
Yeah.

989
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:43,600
They don't like pets.

990
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:47,320
They don't like people.

991
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,560
And they don't like you.

992
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:54,960
From the producers of Independence Day and Godzilla.

993
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:59,960
What exactly is that?

994
00:54:59,960 --> 00:55:00,960
Spider man.

995
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,960
Eight legged freaks.

996
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:08,800
May the PG-13 starts Friday, July 19th.

997
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:15,480
Okay, Matt, this is the first time we've done this with you here, but Peter Laurie is, you

998
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:16,480
know, he's in the wings.

999
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:17,480
He's going to come on.

1000
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:21,400
He's going to do his silent, but deadly segment.

1001
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,840
I thought it actually was Peter Laurie though, like the ghost of Peter Laurie, but that's

1002
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:26,600
the next best thing though, for sure.

1003
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:27,600
Hey, whoa, whoa.

1004
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,200
Don't, don't reveal our tricks of the trade here.

1005
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:31,200
Yeah.

1006
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:32,200
Yeah.

1007
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:33,200
I say goodbye.

1008
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:34,200
This is Peter Laurie.

1009
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,840
We're very excited to have him on the show.

1010
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:42,680
He's having a blast doing it despite what he, what he may tell you this week, he is talking

1011
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:49,560
about the 1924 movie, He Who Gets Slapped, starring Lon Chaney and directed by Victor

1012
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:50,560
Seastrom.

1013
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:53,120
Matt, does that name ring a bell?

1014
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:54,120
Yeah.

1015
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:55,120
He directed the Phantom Carriage.

1016
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:56,120
Yeah.

1017
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:59,520
And some other Swedish silent movies as well.

1018
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:02,200
And Matt, you turned me onto the Phantom Carriage.

1019
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:03,200
Love that movie.

1020
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:04,200
Yeah.

1021
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:07,240
He Who Gets Slapped is also pretty good.

1022
00:56:07,240 --> 00:56:08,240
I agree.

1023
00:56:08,240 --> 00:56:09,240
I like that one a lot too.

1024
00:56:09,240 --> 00:56:10,240
Yeah.

1025
00:56:10,240 --> 00:56:12,320
There's a really great scene with lions at the end of the movie.

1026
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:13,760
I won't give any more away though.

1027
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:17,400
A horrifying scene that Mr. Laurie will tell us more about.

1028
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,600
So we'll, we'll give him the mic here.

1029
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:27,600
Can't wait to hear from Peter.

1030
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:33,920
Before Karloff and Lugosi stalked the screens, the movies were no less monstrous.

1031
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:42,000
These frightful figures lurked in the expressionistic shadows and, and, and danced in the macabre

1032
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:43,000
moonlight.

1033
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:44,000
Oh, they laughed.

1034
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:45,000
They cried.

1035
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:51,600
They fooled the sensibilities of honest, decent folk.

1036
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:57,720
In the age of silent pictures, these gruesome ghouls nonetheless cried out with a savage

1037
00:56:57,720 --> 00:57:04,200
humanity that took the breath from all who witnessed their devilish delights.

1038
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:14,120
Or in the silence, no one can hear you scream.

1039
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:17,840
But I, Peter Laurie, will be heard.

1040
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:23,860
Welcome to Silent But Deadly, where I am forced to review silent monster movies in exchange

1041
00:57:23,860 --> 00:57:26,160
for my soul's eternal rest.

1042
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:34,020
You may know me from such radio dramas as Suspense and Mystery in the Air.

1043
00:57:34,020 --> 00:57:41,920
This week we discuss the 1924 movie, He Who Gets Slapped, starring Lon Chaney.

1044
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:46,320
Oh, enough with the scripted pleasantries, ladies and gentlemen.

1045
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:51,240
Tonight, with the help of Pierre, the little mouse who keeps me company, I will send a

1046
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:54,920
note to the authorities, alerting them to my entrapment.

1047
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:56,400
Pierre!

1048
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:57,720
Pierre!

1049
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:00,560
Hurry, take this note.

1050
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:01,560
Take it to the police.

1051
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:02,560
Yes, that's it.

1052
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:03,560
Good, good, Pierre.

1053
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:09,000
Now run, run, my little vermin savior.

1054
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:10,760
Run like the wind!

1055
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,760
I am feeling good about this.

1056
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:18,400
And while I wait, allow me to review one last movie.

1057
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:24,200
He Who Gets Slapped tells the story of a doctor whose scientific thesis has been stolen along

1058
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,120
with his wife by his benefactor.

1059
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:35,160
Strangely, the doc finds solace in the circus as a clown alter ego named He.

1060
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:41,520
Over time, He becomes famous for his signature act in which other clowns slap him for saying

1061
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:45,120
absurd things.

1062
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:51,640
Life goes on for He until his old benefactor turns up yet again to steal away the girl

1063
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:54,920
with whom he is now in love with.

1064
00:58:54,920 --> 00:59:00,720
In revenge, He lays a trap for the benefactor in which a caged lion is released into his

1065
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,520
room mauling the man to death.

1066
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:07,640
He himself is mortally wounded in the event.

1067
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:14,840
Now the film is directed by Swedish director Victor Seistrom who imbues the film with a

1068
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:19,000
dreamy off-kilter atmosphere.

1069
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:25,280
This permeates the picture with a subtle unease that never subsides.

1070
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:31,040
As for Chaney, his sad clown would become the standard for such characters.

1071
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:36,320
Altogether the film is essential viewing for fans of Lon Chaney.

1072
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:40,920
Cinephiles will also be interested in knowing that He Who Gets Slapped was the first picture

1073
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:48,680
for Metro-Goldwyn-Mare to feature their famous lion logo.

1074
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:54,480
Last time on Silent but Deadly I was supposed to discuss The Man Who Laughs starring Conrad

1075
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:59,200
Veidt, but that was before fortune favored my weary soul.

1076
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:05,680
For soon I will welcome the police, led by Mighty Pierre, and will soon escape this confounded

1077
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:20,520
podcast.

1078
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:37,680
In the race for the world's most advanced communications technology, a shocking discovery

1079
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:48,400
has been made.

1080
01:00:48,400 --> 01:01:06,240
And the more they discover, the greater the danger.

1081
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:23,040
By the author of Jurassic Park, Congo, where you are the endangered species.

1082
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:47,000
Yeah, so the themes in this movie, you know, I would say my main criticism of arachnophobia

1083
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:51,040
is that there's not really that much thematic substance here.

1084
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:55,200
Like it's a pretty thin movie, it's supposed to be entertainment, so there aren't really

1085
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:58,320
too many themes to speak of.

1086
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:02,680
That said, I will say what I think is maybe the biggest theme in the movie, if that's

1087
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:06,480
all right, which is the kind of like city versus country dynamic.

1088
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:10,520
And you kind of get that in a lot of different Hollywood movies throughout the years, kind

1089
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:16,360
of dating all the way back to like the silent era in movies like Sunrise, for example, like

1090
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:20,240
there's a strong city versus country theme in that movie too.

1091
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:24,600
So in arachnophobia, you know, the Jennings family wants to escape the noise and like

1092
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:27,400
the crime and the fast pace of the city.

1093
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:32,560
And they get this beautiful house way out in the rural countryside.

1094
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:36,000
And they think that they found this kind of perfect bucolic existence.

1095
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:40,040
And then of course, these terrifying spiders ruin everything for them.

1096
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:45,720
I don't want to, you know, give any big spoilers, but like by the end of the movie, they kind

1097
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:49,160
of realized that they were happier in the big city where they really belong.

1098
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:53,560
So, you know, I mean, I don't know how much depth that theme really has, but it's there

1099
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:54,560
in arachnophobia.

1100
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:55,560
But that's the thing.

1101
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:59,760
I think that, yes, there are themes to this movie, but I don't think they're very deep

1102
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:00,760
themes.

1103
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:03,680
I think it's all pretty surface level, which is fine.

1104
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:06,000
I mean, the movie knows what it is.

1105
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:09,360
It's not a think piece of a film.

1106
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:10,800
Yep.

1107
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:17,240
The theme that I latched onto was this old doctor character who's supposed to retire

1108
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:20,800
and hand over his practice to Jeff Daniels.

1109
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:24,440
In the end, the old doctor does not retire.

1110
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:30,460
He changes his mind, thus leaving Jeff Daniels really up a creek because he doesn't have

1111
01:03:30,460 --> 01:03:32,180
a job all of a sudden.

1112
01:03:32,180 --> 01:03:36,800
And they just moved all the way to this small town.

1113
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:43,080
And the theme of this old character being stuck in his ways, no, we do it this way because

1114
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:47,920
Jeff Daniels wants to perform autopsies because he has a hunch that people are dying from

1115
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:49,760
spider bites.

1116
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:54,440
And the doctor and the sheriff, they're like, we don't have spiders.

1117
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:57,280
Spiders don't kill people in this town.

1118
01:03:57,280 --> 01:03:59,080
What do you mean you want to perform an autopsy?

1119
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:04,560
Don't you dare violate the poor woman's body by doing that.

1120
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:06,740
Jeff Daniels is like, no, it's literally science.

1121
01:04:06,740 --> 01:04:09,760
We need to figure out what's killing people.

1122
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:14,160
So that being stuck in your old ways jumped out at me.

1123
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:15,520
Yeah, for sure.

1124
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:19,120
And I think that is kind of connected to the city versus country theme too.

1125
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:27,040
Where a big hot shot doctor from the city is trying to be forward thinking and progressive.

1126
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:29,400
He's just trying to follow science like any doctor should.

1127
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:35,360
But then you have this kind of some of the community in this small town who are, yeah,

1128
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:39,200
like you said, they're maybe a little bit too stuck in their ways, a little scared of

1129
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:41,040
change, not ready to get with the times.

1130
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:46,320
So yeah, like those themes definitely go together a lot for sure.

1131
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:51,800
What's your note about Frank Marshall's quote about this movie?

1132
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:58,040
Well, yeah, well, you know, so Frank Marshall, he was talking about like the blend of horror

1133
01:04:58,040 --> 01:04:59,680
and comedy in this movie.

1134
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:03,980
And he said, people like to be scared but laughing like a roller coaster.

1135
01:05:03,980 --> 01:05:06,400
No one wants to be terrified.

1136
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:11,060
And we kind of alluded to this before, I guess, like, it depends on like what the movie is

1137
01:05:11,060 --> 01:05:15,360
trying to do and like what the audience wants.

1138
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:17,880
Like, I don't know, sometimes I love being terrified.

1139
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:22,360
Like some of the truly scariest horror movies I've ever seen that like give me nightmares

1140
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:24,040
for days afterwards.

1141
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:25,580
It's a really cathartic experience.

1142
01:05:25,580 --> 01:05:30,840
So I just don't know if I totally agree with what Frank Marshall says there.

1143
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:32,840
But I do think it applies to arachnophobia.

1144
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:38,920
Hey, you know, it is a thrillomedy and you know how good those are.

1145
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:42,320
A barrel of laughs and thrills as they say.

1146
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:45,560
I hope the marketing team came up with that slogan as well.

1147
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:50,640
That's the monkeys in a barrel horror film.

1148
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:52,160
That actually would be terrifying.

1149
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:54,120
I don't know if I want to watch that.

1150
01:05:54,120 --> 01:06:02,320
Some kids find a barrel that's like washed up on a beach and they open it and out jumps

1151
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:04,880
a hundred monkeys and murders them.

1152
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:06,640
OK, I would.

1153
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:07,760
I would watch that for sure.

1154
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:10,280
That sounds great.

1155
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:14,720
That could be your next play for the like the horror festival in the Twin Cities.

1156
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:15,720
Maybe.

1157
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:18,280
Yeah, I would love that.

1158
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:20,520
That's the barrel of monkeys that washed ashore.

1159
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:21,520
Yeah, exactly.

1160
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:25,240
There's got to be a term for like phobia of monkeys.

1161
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:27,120
I don't know what it is, but I'm going to look into that.

1162
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:28,120
I'll let you know.

1163
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:29,120
Please do.

1164
01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:30,120
Yeah.

1165
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:31,880
I think it's about time for our breakdowns.

1166
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:33,120
What do you think, Vincent?

1167
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:34,120
Let's do it.

1168
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:35,120
All right.

1169
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:39,040
The good, the bad and the campy.

1170
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:41,800
Do you want to start off with the good stuff?

1171
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:42,880
Yeah.

1172
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:53,560
So I really like the direction of this film in terms of it gives a grand sense of like

1173
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:59,500
classic Hollywood visuals like the opening shots in Venezuela.

1174
01:06:59,500 --> 01:07:07,160
We have helicopter tracking shots and it's just so like classic Hollywood movie stuff

1175
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:12,520
and Frank Marshall uses a lot of cranes, crane shots.

1176
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:18,320
There's a lot of overhead swooping cranes that like, you know, will swoop in for a close

1177
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:19,320
up or something.

1178
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:24,360
And I'm like, I don't feel like the camera moves like that in today's movies.

1179
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:27,400
But again, that's a very Spielbergian thing.

1180
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:34,440
I think it's a very maybe whimsical classic feel, which was cool.

1181
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:36,160
Yeah, totally agree.

1182
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:37,160
Yeah.

1183
01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:41,120
There's, I think just in some movies from this time, more so than now, I just think

1184
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:43,080
there's like an attention to visual detail.

1185
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:45,120
You know, they like storyboard the shots.

1186
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:49,400
They like, you know, they think very carefully about how they're going to introduce scenes

1187
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:52,080
and like cut to the next scene and stuff like that.

1188
01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:53,080
And I totally agree with you.

1189
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:57,360
I just think that doesn't happen often enough anymore where it's kind of just maybe a little

1190
01:07:57,360 --> 01:07:59,680
rushed, maybe a little too simplistic.

1191
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:05,040
But yeah, but arachnophobia, even like a relatively kind of straightforward piece of entertainment

1192
01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:07,640
is really carefully made and pretty visually impressive.

1193
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:13,020
Oh, in the in the very beginning, again, when they're in Venezuela, there's a reference

1194
01:08:13,020 --> 01:08:14,400
to the lost world.

1195
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:21,320
Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's movie about or novel about prehistoric animals living in a remote

1196
01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:24,360
jungle that are suddenly brought into the modern world.

1197
01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:28,720
So I was just like, as a movie nerd, as a monster movie nerd, I was a cat.

1198
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:29,840
I see you.

1199
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:30,840
I see you screenwriters.

1200
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:31,840
I know what you're doing.

1201
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:32,840
Yeah, totally.

1202
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:36,880
And I think that opening scene in general just kind of like really sets the stage in

1203
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:39,560
a very powerful way, very suspenseful way.

1204
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:43,040
You know, you even have that shot of like the silhouette of the spider kind of like

1205
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:44,600
on the other side of the tent.

1206
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:45,600
Yeah.

1207
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:50,080
Such a classic image from like, you know, the horror movies of the olden days or whatever.

1208
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:53,200
So there are a lot of cool homages like that in arachnophobia.

1209
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:54,200
Yeah.

1210
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:55,200
How about you?

1211
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:56,640
I agree with all that.

1212
01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:57,640
Absolutely.

1213
01:08:57,640 --> 01:08:58,820
It's such a fast paced movie.

1214
01:08:58,820 --> 01:09:00,480
It's extremely entertaining.

1215
01:09:00,480 --> 01:09:03,960
You know, I guess my favorite thing about this movie, I briefly mentioned it before,

1216
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:09,360
but it's the performances of the spiders, like just the animal work in this movie and

1217
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:13,960
all the care that went into that, the kind of ingenious special effects by the spider

1218
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:14,960
wranglers.

1219
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:17,640
Yeah, really makes this movie.

1220
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:19,080
It's so impressive.

1221
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:22,040
In terms of bad stuff, I honestly don't really have a lot.

1222
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:26,080
I do kind of want to repeat that there just like is not a lot of thematic substance in

1223
01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:27,080
this movie.

1224
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:31,480
And my favorite, you know, pieces of entertainment, I feel like there is like some semblance of

1225
01:09:31,480 --> 01:09:36,480
a theme and like the best ones, like even Jurassic Park, like is such an entertaining

1226
01:09:36,480 --> 01:09:40,680
movie, but I think there's also these themes of like parenthood and like life finding a

1227
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:41,920
way against all odds.

1228
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:44,760
And like there's something beneath the surface there.

1229
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:48,800
In arachnophobia, I don't know if there's really anything beneath the surface, but that

1230
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:50,200
can be okay sometimes.

1231
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:51,480
That didn't bother me so much.

1232
01:09:51,480 --> 01:09:56,760
Again, I feel like this movie knows what it is in terms of like we're not going to comment

1233
01:09:56,760 --> 01:10:04,800
on deep issues here, but I don't think the movie truly knows that it's not a comedy.

1234
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:08,800
Like I enjoyed the movie, but I didn't laugh at the movie.

1235
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:14,120
The way it's marketed, even like on the DVD cover, it's like laugh out loud, funny.

1236
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:15,120
It's a hoot.

1237
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:19,560
I'm like, this is not a comedy.

1238
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:23,120
Like Ghostbusters is a comedy, right?

1239
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:24,800
Arachnophobia has camp.

1240
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:27,000
They're like silly moments.

1241
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:33,280
John Goodman's obviously funny, but the balance of tone didn't always work for me.

1242
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:37,800
For example, the football player gets killed when he puts his helmet on because a spider

1243
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:39,200
had crawled in it.

1244
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:44,080
That's a really sad scene because he's a teenager.

1245
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:45,480
This movie kills a kid.

1246
01:10:45,480 --> 01:10:47,840
Yeah, that doesn't happen in a comedy.

1247
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:49,480
Yeah, it's a good point.

1248
01:10:49,480 --> 01:10:52,520
Yeah, and some of the other deaths too.

1249
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:56,120
You're right that that scene is kind of like the most disturbing in the movie, but some

1250
01:10:56,120 --> 01:11:02,920
of the other deaths are really disgusting and very violent, really morbid and gruesome.

1251
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:06,560
It is kind of fun, and yet at the same time, even while you're having a good time, you're

1252
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:09,960
like, man, these people just got killed in the most brutal way.

1253
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:10,960
Right.

1254
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:21,520
In that, I feel like if I may, Frank Marshall, just direct this as a straight thriller.

1255
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:24,200
I think that's the business side of Hollywood.

1256
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:29,240
You're going to get more butts in seats if it's a comedy, but I don't think he actually

1257
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:31,840
made a comedy, and it's forced sometimes.

1258
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:33,520
I just think it's campy.

1259
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:34,800
It's a fun movie.

1260
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:36,160
It's not a funny movie.

1261
01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:37,520
Ah, there you go.

1262
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:38,680
Does that make sense?

1263
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:39,680
Absolutely.

1264
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:43,320
You're totally right about that, yeah, and totally agree that it doesn't always handle

1265
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:44,640
its tones very well.

1266
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:47,280
It could do a better job of that, for sure.

1267
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:48,280
Yeah.

1268
01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:49,280
All right.

1269
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:51,600
Yeah, but you're right that it is campy.

1270
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:53,120
There's some campy stuff in here.

1271
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:57,880
There are a lot of stock characters, like the British spider expert, the old doctor

1272
01:11:57,880 --> 01:12:01,080
who said in his ways.

1273
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:05,440
Those kind of campy stereotypes can be pretty fun in this movie, for sure.

1274
01:12:05,440 --> 01:12:07,040
Yeah, right.

1275
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:08,040
Agreed.

1276
01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:12,600
Was there any other specific campy stuff that you wanted to mention?

1277
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:15,440
Tarantula sex, spider sex.

1278
01:12:15,440 --> 01:12:22,180
That's very silly when they get in on mirroring Jeff Daniels and his wife.

1279
01:12:22,180 --> 01:12:26,800
They lie down in bed, and then it's intercut with the spiders laying down in bed, quote

1280
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:27,800
unquote.

1281
01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:28,800
That's campy.

1282
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:29,800
That's silly.

1283
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:30,800
For sure.

1284
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:34,200
To be honest, I kind of forgot about that moment, but yeah, you're right.

1285
01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:37,200
That's pretty clever, yeah.

1286
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:42,280
But there's not a lot of other overtly campy stuff that comes to mind, but there is sort

1287
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:47,080
of like a silly tone throughout most of the movie, like we were just talking about.

1288
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:51,040
The spider POV shots in the beginning, I found really fun.

1289
01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:55,600
Yeah, I like the POV shots a lot, and there are some later in the movie, too.

1290
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:58,960
It's just an element of visual imagination.

1291
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:05,140
The musical score is pretty bombastic in those scenes, too, so very entertaining at moments

1292
01:13:05,140 --> 01:13:06,640
like that, for sure.

1293
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:11,920
Well, I think it's time to give Arachnophobia our rating here on Camp Kaiju.

1294
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:14,120
As always, we have four different ratings here.

1295
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:19,680
Our top ranking is, it is a timeless classic and definitely stands the test of time.

1296
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:23,440
Our second rating is, there may be some antiquated moments, but overall it's great and stands

1297
01:13:23,440 --> 01:13:25,160
the test of time.

1298
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:29,560
Number three, it may be historically significant or just fun, but it does not stand the test

1299
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:30,560
of time.

1300
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:35,700
And finally, it is not worth revisiting and definitely does not stand the test of time.

1301
01:13:35,700 --> 01:13:40,160
For me, you know, there are, I don't know if I would say antiquated moments, but there

1302
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:43,240
are some things that don't work out all that well in this movie.

1303
01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:46,200
Like we mentioned the kind of inconsistent tone.

1304
01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:51,080
I could use a little bit more substance, but for me overall, it is great.

1305
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:53,200
Arachnophobia stands the test of time.

1306
01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:57,600
I loved it and I was really scared by it when I was a kid, and I had kind of the same experience

1307
01:13:57,600 --> 01:13:58,600
this time around.

1308
01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:01,840
So it stands the test of time, for sure.

1309
01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:02,960
Couldn't agree more.

1310
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:12,080
I think in some ways it is dated, but in other ways this movie is still fresh as can be.

1311
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:16,120
So yeah, I think antiquated moments, but it does stand the test of time.

1312
01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:19,720
You could watch this today with anybody, somebody who's never seen it and they would have a

1313
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:20,720
good time.

1314
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:23,680
I think it's got thrills and chills.

1315
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:24,680
And comedy as well.

1316
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:25,840
It has some comedy.

1317
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:26,840
Yeah.

1318
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:28,360
Or at least it thinks it does.

1319
01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:29,360
Yeah.

1320
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:30,360
To your point.

1321
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:34,640
It's a comedy, but I had fun watching it.

1322
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:35,640
Yeah.

1323
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:36,640
Yeah.

1324
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:37,640
Yeah.

1325
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:38,640
It's a fun movie, for sure.

1326
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:43,280
And again, if you're an arachnophobe like me and Jeff Daniel's character, then it probably

1327
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:46,240
will freak you out and you probably are going to cover your eyes at some point.

1328
01:14:46,240 --> 01:14:47,240
So be forewarned.

1329
01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:52,720
Honestly, this should be one of the most horrifying movies ever made because if you are deathly

1330
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:55,840
afraid of spiders, don't watch this movie.

1331
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:57,280
Don't torture yourself.

1332
01:14:57,280 --> 01:14:58,280
Right.

1333
01:14:58,280 --> 01:14:59,280
Yeah.

1334
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:02,960
If you watch it, you'll probably be closing your eyes for half of it anyway.

1335
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:06,040
So you know, which is great.

1336
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:07,800
That's the sign of an effective suspense movie.

1337
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:09,800
So good job, Frank Marshall.

1338
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:10,800
All right.

1339
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:14,440
So next time, like we talked about on Camp Kaiju, we'll be talking about The Mummy from

1340
01:15:14,440 --> 01:15:15,920
1999.

1341
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:18,320
Naomi and Max will be joining us, right?

1342
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:19,320
Yep.

1343
01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:20,320
Awesome.

1344
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:21,320
Yeah.

1345
01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:22,320
So we'll see you next time on Camp Kaiju.

1346
01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:24,800
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1347
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:27,540
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1348
01:15:27,540 --> 01:15:30,000
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1349
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:36,040
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1350
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:39,920
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1351
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:42,040
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1352
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:48,880
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1353
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:51,440
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1354
01:15:51,440 --> 01:15:57,920
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1355
01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:02,480
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1356
01:16:02,480 --> 01:16:03,480
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1357
01:16:03,480 --> 01:16:04,480
Thank you again, friends.

1358
01:16:04,480 --> 01:16:05,480
And until next time, stay campy.

1359
01:16:05,480 --> 01:16:06,480
In the 60s, it was the birds.

1360
01:16:06,480 --> 01:16:07,480
In the 70s, jaws.

1361
01:16:07,480 --> 01:16:08,480
In the 80s, alien.

1362
01:16:08,480 --> 01:16:09,480
Now for the 90s, arachnophobia.

1363
01:16:09,480 --> 01:16:10,480
Hollywood pictures and ambient entertainment present Arachnophobia.

1364
01:16:10,480 --> 01:16:22,120
The last word in suspense.

1365
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:27,160
I didn't find a thing.

1366
01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:28,160
Go figure.

1367
01:16:28,160 --> 01:16:31,080
Well, then why is all the wood rotting?

1368
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:34,480
I'll tell you why.

1369
01:16:34,480 --> 01:16:35,480
Bad wood.

1370
01:16:35,480 --> 01:16:39,360
Oh, so what do we do?

1371
01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:41,920
Tear out bad wood.

1372
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:45,520
Put in good wood.

1373
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:47,640
My husband thought this would make a good wine cellar.

1374
01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:48,640
Oh, yeah?

1375
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:51,480
I collect beer cans myself.

1376
01:16:51,480 --> 01:16:55,240
I got a rare 74 milliliter light with a misprint on the label.

1377
01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:58,560
Only 100 or so cans in circulation.

1378
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:15,960
The husband just might want to take a gander.

1379
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:16,960
Death.

1380
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:18,960
Eternal punishment.

1381
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:33,160
For anyone who opens this casket.

1382
01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:34,560
The mummy.

1383
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:36,880
Is it dead or alive?

1384
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:38,880
Human or inhuman?

1385
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:39,880
You'll know.

1386
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:40,880
You'll see.

1387
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:47,300
You'll feel the awful, creeping, crawling terror that stands your hair on end and brings

1388
01:17:47,300 --> 01:17:52,320
a scream to your lips.

1389
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:56,080
There's nothing on earth like the mummy.

1390
01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:59,200
You will not remember what I show you now.

1391
01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:06,600
And yet I shall awaken memories of love and crime and death.

1392
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:10,160
Now I know his horrible plan.

1393
01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:18,600
He's going to kill her and make her a living mummy like himself.

1394
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:19,600
Revenge of the Mummy.

1395
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:21,280
No, the Mummy Returns.

1396
01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:22,280
What?

1397
01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:23,280
That's the sequel, right?

1398
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:24,280
It's Mummy 2.

1399
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:26,720
It's not called the Mummy 2.

1400
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:28,200
It's called Return of the Mummy.

1401
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:30,200
No, it's called the Mummy Returns.

1402
01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:31,200
Yeah.

1403
01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:35,200
And then it's the Mummy Tomb of the Dragon Emperor.

1404
01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:37,320
Which I haven't seen.

1405
01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:40,320
I have seen it.

1406
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:41,920
It's not good.

1407
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:42,920
I think they...

1408
01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:43,920
Yeah, I think...

1409
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:44,920
What's your name?

1410
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:45,920
Eve?

1411
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:46,920
Yeah.

1412
01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:47,920
She's recast.

1413
01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:49,960
Oh, no.

1414
01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:51,960
Which doesn't help.

1415
01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:56,200
And I think I'd rather watch the Scorpion King movie.

1416
01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:58,220
That I also have not seen.

1417
01:18:58,220 --> 01:18:59,920
I think I've seen parts of it.

1418
01:18:59,920 --> 01:19:04,120
And then there were subsequent sequels in the Scorpion King franchise.

1419
01:19:04,120 --> 01:19:06,600
Oh, it's a whole...

1420
01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:08,560
It's a whole to go down.

1421
01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:18,160
So if you're thinking about Universal's Mummy, respective franchises, it was complete success.

1422
01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:22,360
But they have a ton of Mummy movies.

1423
01:19:22,360 --> 01:19:24,080
They don't have...

1424
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:30,680
No other Universal monster from Universal Studios has anywhere close to the amount of

1425
01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:34,200
material and content that the Mummy does.

1426
01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:36,200
Especially not in a modern era.

1427
01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:37,200
No, exactly.

1428
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:38,200
Right.

1429
01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:40,880
And that's so interesting to me.

1430
01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:47,240
Like Frankenstein and Dracula and the Wolfman were like the money makers.

1431
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:51,440
There's tons of sequels, like five each probably.

1432
01:19:51,440 --> 01:19:53,280
And then The Invisible Man has a couple.

1433
01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:54,760
This is funny that we bring it up.

1434
01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:58,440
So the Mummy doesn't have that many from then, right?

1435
01:19:58,440 --> 01:20:02,200
There are five entries in the original Mummy cycle.

1436
01:20:02,200 --> 01:20:04,000
I was thinking like three.

1437
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:08,040
No, so I just watched them all this past weekend.

1438
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:09,040
Just like doing some homework.

1439
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:11,760
I was like, you know what, I've actually never seen most of these.

1440
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:16,680
Oh, I typed in the Mummy and Brendan Fraser comes up.

1441
01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:25,560
You know what I found at a used bookstore was the Mummy edition of that old Universal

1442
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:27,920
DVD collection, the green one.

1443
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:31,040
Oh, I have that, I think.

1444
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:32,320
I think so too, right?

1445
01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:34,200
Yeah, I think I do have that.

1446
01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:36,720
Yeah, well, they're all on there.

1447
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:44,640
Yeah, I watched the original one and then I'm pretty sure I saw the second one, which

1448
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:48,240
is the better of the two.

1449
01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:49,400
I would agree with that.

1450
01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:51,680
That's called the Mummy's Hand.

1451
01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:53,360
We watched that together years ago.

1452
01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:55,360
Yeah, I remember.

1453
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:57,280
Yeah, that one's fun.

1454
01:20:57,280 --> 01:21:05,920
So then, and I may get this order wrong because the cinematic experiences of the subsequent

1455
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:12,640
sequels are pretty forgettable and the titles are very interchangeable, but you have the

1456
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:19,680
Mummy's Tomb, the Mummy's Ghost and the Mummy's Curse.

1457
01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:24,440
Each of those three are literally 60 minutes.

1458
01:21:24,440 --> 01:21:25,720
Perfect.

1459
01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:31,400
Something happens, something contrived happens, the Mummy gets loose and there's a chase and

1460
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:33,960
then the Mummy is destroyed at the end.

1461
01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:39,200
Well, you also failed to mention Abba and Costello meet the Mummy.

1462
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:41,320
Ah, I did fail to mention that.

1463
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:43,480
That's not on the DVD collection though.

1464
01:21:43,480 --> 01:21:45,320
I'm on the wiki page.

1465
01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:46,400
For that movie?

1466
01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:47,400
For the franchise.

1467
01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:48,400
Oh.

1468
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:52,880
And, well, it was made 11 years after the Mummy's Curse and the Mummy's Ghost because

1469
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:57,360
those are both in 44 and Abba and Costello were 55.

1470
01:21:57,360 --> 01:21:59,120
I've seen it.

1471
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:02,960
It's Abba and Costello's last movie together.

1472
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:09,440
If not, it's definitely their last monster movie together and the jokes are so tired.

1473
01:22:09,440 --> 01:22:14,960
They are literally just repeating jokes that they've done in Meet Frankenstein and other

1474
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:15,960
movies.

1475
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:18,440
I'm just like, oh my gosh.

1476
01:22:18,440 --> 01:22:21,240
This description's pretty funny to me.

1477
01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:23,280
There are moments, there are moments.

1478
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:26,520
It's like Freddie Franklin and his best friend, Peter Patterson.

1479
01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:28,840
It's like comic book names.

1480
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:29,840
But Max-

1481
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:35,080
Just want to go back to the States but get caught up in the Mummy's tale when Dr. Zumer

1482
01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:38,120
is murdered and they find a medallion.

1483
01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:45,800
But just the idea of Dr. Zumer, I'm imagining like a Gen Z, like 20 year old.

1484
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:52,600
So another example of how kind of lazy that movie is, they have character names but in

1485
01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:58,800
the movie itself, they actually only call themselves Bud and Lou.

1486
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:01,800
It's so stupid.

1487
01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:08,840
Yeah, they're like, we're not going to memorize new material for this.

1488
01:23:08,840 --> 01:23:09,840
That's great.

1489
01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:16,520
Yeah, to those listening, we love Abba and Costello but you just have to recognize that

1490
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:20,440
some of their movies aren't as good as some of their other movies.

1491
01:23:20,440 --> 01:23:29,520
Well, I mean, they're making probably multiple movies a year and doing shows constantly.

1492
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:34,200
They're probably worn out after decades of that lifestyle.

1493
01:23:34,200 --> 01:23:41,520
And what happened to bring their series of movies together, their relationship imploded

1494
01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:46,920
and there were troubles with the studio as well.

1495
01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:51,800
So their contract ended, egos were hurt, their friendship ended.

1496
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:53,840
Yeah, there was a whole thing.

1497
01:23:53,840 --> 01:23:57,920
Oh, I wasn't aware of that.

1498
01:23:57,920 --> 01:23:59,400
Where will we find the mummy?

1499
01:23:59,400 --> 01:24:02,040
Don't worry, the mummy will find you.

1500
01:24:02,040 --> 01:24:06,880
You'll howl as you follow Bud and Lou in a strange land where exotic dancers perform

1501
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:07,880
ancient rituals.

1502
01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:12,880
You'll scream at this mystic world of mad magic and uproarious adventure.

1503
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:16,840
Does this mean anything to you?

1504
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:20,520
It means death to whoever holds it.

1505
01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:23,160
Starring Bud Abbott and Lou Costello.

1506
01:24:23,160 --> 01:24:26,480
Imagine Lou trying to be charming to a snake.

1507
01:24:26,480 --> 01:24:31,600
Your nerves will jangle as they tangle with terror, middle with murder.

1508
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:39,120
And try to elude a curse 4,000 years old.

1509
01:24:39,120 --> 01:25:02,360
A thrillomedy.