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Hello and welcome to Camp Kaiju Monster Movie Podcast. We're your hosts, Matt Levine and

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Vincent Hanna. And we're talking about all of our favorite monster movies, The Good,

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The Bad and The Downright Campy and asking if they stand the test of time. Traditional

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goes in alone. This place is not going to open until every room is clear. I'll go. Come out,

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come out wherever you are. Any idea about a weapon? Something big. The board is hosting

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a gala preview here tomorrow night. It would be a disaster for us if we had to postpone.

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We may have somebody on our hands who makes Jeffrey Dahmer look like a Cub Scout. You

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You have to let the gala go on.

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Something's wrong.

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Come on, what's the matter with you?

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The relic.

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How you doing, Vincent?

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Oh, I'm good.

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I've been watching some good scary movies.

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You'll like this.

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I've I have finally started the Nightmare on Elm Street series.

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My favorite, my favorite series.

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I know and I've seen the first one a few times.

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So I skipped that.

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I went straight to two, which I know is high on your list.

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Yes, it is.

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That's my favorite of the series and one of my favorite 80s horror movies for sure.

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Maybe just horror movies in general that's become kind of legendary is like,

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you know, a thinly veiled story about a young gay man who's struggling to kind

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of like come to grips with his identity and come out of the closet and can kind

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of just understand his own sexuality.

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But it's also a great nightmare on Elm Street movie.

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So I really love the second the second movie in that series.

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I really would like to consider that movie for an episode of Camp Kaiju because

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of those themes.

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But also there is some imagery in that movie that just really kind of warped my brain.

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I was like, what is happening?

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And if it's a if it forshadows the rest of the series, I'm all for it.

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But there were some messed up things.

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Yeah, I often think about the like like hell dogs or like devil dogs or whatever.

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You like at towards the end.

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Those are terrifying.

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And like, I don't know.

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The only thing I'm going to say is I really didn't know when the store when the

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movie was in a dream or not.

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And I'm still thinking about that.

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Yeah, because I'm like, is that a perfect example of the unreliable narrator?

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Or is it just a really poorly made movie?

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I don't know.

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I keep thinking about it.

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Well, I mean, I would like to believe it's intentional and you know, kind of blurring

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the lines between reality and a dream state.

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But yeah, I mean, there's there's certainly a debate to be had about that.

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But I do love that movie and most of the rest of the Nightmare on Elm Street movies are

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like really clever, very surreal and strange.

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Definitely my favorite horror movie franchise.

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All right.

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Well, we'll get it on Camp Kaiju for sure at some point.

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Cool.

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I can't wait.

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All right.

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How about how are you?

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Pretty good.

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Yeah, I mean, it's October my favorite month of the year.

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An excuse to watch at least one horror movie a day, which is always fun.

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So that's been good.

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I've been trying to see a bunch of stuff in theaters.

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Some good stuff is out there right now.

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I you know, the change of the seasons.

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I'm a little under the weather, but I mean, it's October.

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There are horror movies out there.

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Everything is good.

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All is right with the world.

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Nice.

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So thanks for hanging out friends.

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Man can't wait.

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For people.

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Well, this probably won't be in the episode.

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Vincent's screen has like it just kind of went topsy-turvy and it really

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caught me off guard.

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So everything's we're in the upside down here on Camp Kaiju tonight.

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Stranger Things reference.

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Sorry.

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Sorry everybody.

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I'm just messing with my background.

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Matt continue, please.

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Yeah.

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So yeah, what's going on since last time at Camp Kaiju when we talked about

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Planet of the Apes, the Tim Burton 2001 movie.

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One thing that I found out today is that Mel Gibson is in a new monster

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movie and it's supposed to be terrible.

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Is it just a biography?

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It certainly could be.

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I would, you know, that might be a more interesting movie, but this one

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is called Monster Summer.

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It's getting terrible reviews.

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It's but I'm really intrigued by it.

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I would kind of like to see it.

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Can't really find a synopsis, but it's a new Mel Gibson monster movie

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and it's supposed to be bad.

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And I think that's kind of amusing.

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So who knows?

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Maybe I'll watch it.

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Maybe not.

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Probably not.

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But that's out there.

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All right.

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Just it won't take very long.

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Here's the synopsis of Monster Summer starring Mel Gibson.

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When a mysterious force begins to disrupt their big summer fun, Noah and

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his friends team up with a retired police detective to embark on a

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monstrous adventure to save their island.

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Like I said, supposed to be bad.

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Mel Gibson is in it.

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If that sounds intriguing to you, check it out.

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What else do we have going on?

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Well, you saw the substance.

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Yes, I did, which is definitely a monster movie that is firmly in the

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monster movie genre.

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It's really good.

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There are some things I didn't like about it.

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Just a quick sort of description of the movie, which played at film

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festivals earlier this year and got a lot of publicity at one best

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screenplay at the Cannes Film Festival.

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So the idea of the movie is that Demi Moore plays a kind of aging

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celebrity.

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She finds out about this new kind of black market drug that supposedly

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unleashes a new better you.

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So she tries out this drug.

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The less you know about what happens after that, the better.

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So I want to reveal anything else, but it is extremely gory.

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Really disgusting, very funny over the top.

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Some of the themes seem a little bit obvious, like kind of a

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Hollywood's obsession with youth and beauty is maybe not the most

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mind blowing theme of all time.

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But this movie approaches it in just such an incredible provocative

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over the top way.

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Definitely highly recommended, especially if you love monster movies

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and you don't mind just gallons of gore and some gross out horror

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check it out for sure.

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It's one of the kind the smile on your face as you talked about

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all of that.

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I wish listeners could see.

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of the movie in particular when like everything goes crazy.

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And yeah, I won't ruin it from there.

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But check it out for sure.

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Okay, you also saw Megalopolis not a monster movie, but just tell

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me about it.

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I love Megalopolis.

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I know it's divisive.

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I know it's gotten some bad reviews, but I you know, Francis

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Ford Coppola late in his career, obviously, but he invested so

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much of his money into this project and it attempts to be kind

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of like, you know, the fall of the American Empire as if it

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were ancient Rome sort of like mirroring that story a little

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bit. So it's very political.

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It's really over the top.

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It's stunningly beautiful, ambitious, creative, funny, at times

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intentionally funny, very often unintentionally funny, but you

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know, it's definitely a flawed movie.

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But despite its flaws, I just haven't seen an American film in

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particular over the last several years that is so alive and filled

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with ideas and unique and like clearly the expression of like

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an artist who's trying to say something, you know, so whatever

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its flaws Megalopolis is amazing.

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I've seen it twice.

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I really love it.

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I have yet to see this movie, but I do love the idea of an

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artist and an artist's passion project, you know, damn the

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critics damn the box office.

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You know, he probably knew the metrics weren't looking good,

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but I know he's been talking about making this movie for

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decades and Coppola, you know, he does have some some baggage

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with with him.

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But regardless of his personal life, his place in cinema

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history is undeniable and I'm just interested in like you

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said a late career work whether it's from him or Scorsese or

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what Spielberg is doing now.

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It's just like what these guys we've seen for like 50 years

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now.

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It's like what are they?

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What are they saying in the twilight of their lives?

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Yeah, I agree.

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It's fascinating to see that.

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I think like that has happened with other directors in the

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past like some of Hitchcock's later movies like Frenzy, for

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example, are really fascinating Billy Wilder some of his later

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movies like the private life Sherlock Holmes and Avanti and

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Fedora.

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I'm you know, I believe that directors get more interesting

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as they age instead of less interesting.

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That's not true across the board.

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Of course, but you know, the yeah, this this late career kind

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of like burst from Coppola is fascinating.

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I love to see it.

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It's great.

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So yeah, that's highly recommended for sure.

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Cool aside from Nightmare on Elm Street.

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Have you seen anything good?

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I watched a new horror movie, which I don't often do.

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Unfortunately, I want to watch more new movies, but it's

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called Immaculate.

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It was released earlier this year.

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It stars Sydney Sweeney and she's a nun and without spoiling

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anything, she becomes immaculate immaculately with child.

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So there's like a mystery within the convent about how this

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happened.

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It is worth checking out as you would say it is messy.

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It is full of all the cliches of a nun horror movie, but you

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know, the end left me left me thinking I was like, huh?

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Yeah, that's a good selling point.

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I'm intrigued to check it out.

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I like Sydney Sweeney.

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I haven't seen a lot of her stuff, but yeah, very compelling.

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I'm always up for a good like nun horror movie.

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So I'll check it out for sure.

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It's 90 minutes.

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So actually it was a weirdly effective double feature with

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the second Nightmare on Elm Street.

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I watched them back to back.

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Well, I'm just like they both play with themes of unwanted

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presence within the body.

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So I was like, oh, there are some weird parallels here.

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That's I mean, you just clinched it.

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I definitely want to see immaculate now with that comparison.

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That sounds great.

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And you know, like, you know, body horror and kind of like

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things like unwanted guests and stuff like that, like in your

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body or like in your in your home in your space, like I'm

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always up for that theme.

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So it sounds great.

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Yeah.

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Well, speaking of so last time on Camp Kaiju previously.

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There was a scratching at my door that we were convinced.

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It was a fiend without a face or an ape from a planet beyond

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the stars.

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Turns out as my dog that I had forgotten.

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I had left on the porch and I felt really bad at the end of

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our recording.

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I love that.

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Yeah, the when we recorded that episode, you were like, there

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is something outside of my house.

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It's trying to get in and I had like, oh, what's that?

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Sorry.

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It freaked me out.

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Yeah, it was freaking me out too.

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Like I had all these, you know, nightmare, nightmarish visions

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in my head, but it turns out it was your dog, which is a fiend

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in a way, but not the kind of fiend that I was thinking of.

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Had I actually opened the door, I would have been so relieved

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to see my dog.

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I love that story.

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I like in a way, I'm kind of glad that you didn't.

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So there was this like mystery for a little while, you know,

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like while we recorded like it made it more interesting for

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sure.

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Now we got now we all know rest easy out there folks.

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It was only ginger.

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Yes.

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I also guested on another monster movie podcast called

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Monster Candy podcast.

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I will link this episode in our own show notes, but they're

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a great gang of movie lovers over there.

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Punk rockers actually some pretty tight music.

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So anyways, we got connected on Instagram.

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They wanted me to help them discuss the Ray Harryhausen

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movie Earth versus the flying saucers.

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And it's not a great movie, but I would say it's so bad that

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it's good.

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So check out that movie, but then listen to our conversation

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over at Monster Candy podcast and give them some love.

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I have not seen that movie or listened to that podcast

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episode yet and I cannot wait to do both.

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So as soon as possible, I'm checking them out.

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Yeah, not bad.

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We do have a few things coming up on Camp Kaiju.

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The Wolf Man will be our next episode followed by God told

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me to and then Godzilla minus one.

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Some good stuff coming up.

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The Wolf Man is classic.

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God told me to seems like kind of a weird obscure cult movie

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by Larry Cohen.

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I know almost nothing about it, but I'm very excited for that.

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Godzilla minus one will be fun to talk about.

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I feel like I'm slightly in the minority on that one.

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I don't love it as much as some other people do, but you know,

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stay tuned for that episode.

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We'll dive in for sure.

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Another thing we should mention Chris Christopherson rest in

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peace. We've lost some great actors and artists and filmmakers

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this year.

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Chris Christopherson, one of the latest ones.

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You know, I can't think of too many monster movies that he

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was in, although he was in the Blade series, of course.

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So well, he was in Planet of the Apes.

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Yeah, you're right.

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The one that we just talked about like two weeks ago.

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That's it's not very resonant in my mind.

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I guess.

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Yeah, he really left an impression.

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Yeah, I do love Chris Christopherson.

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He's in Alice doesn't live here anymore.

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Bring me the head of Alfredo Garcia.

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Some other really good movies.

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So rest in peace.

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Chris Christopherson.

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Yeah.

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Real quick, we can talk about movies that came out in Monster

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movie history around this time.

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The one that I'll shout out is one of my favorite horror movies

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of all time.

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The Texas Chainsaw Massacre released on October 11th, 1974.

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So that's about 40 years ago.

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Pretty close to that.

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Yeah, I mean, you know, there's the question.

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Is it a monster movie?

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Is it not a monster movie?

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Because it's a human serial killer and all that.

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But it is one of the best horror movies of all time.

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So Texas Chainsaw Massacre 40 years ago, right around this time.

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50 years ago.

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Yeah, you're right.

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When I said that, I was like, is that math, right?

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That doesn't sound correct.

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Usually I'm not terrible at math, but that was pretty bad.

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50 years ago, Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

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Yeah, and I have to shout out The Earth Dies Screaming, a movie

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from 1964 about killer robots.

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I love a good killer robot movie.

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It's a great sub sub sub genre of horror.

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So yeah, The Earth Dies Screaming.

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I hope to find a trailer for that one for this episode.

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Yeah, I mean, I'm intrigued by the title.

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It's directed by Terrence Fisher, who I think did quite a few

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Hammer Horror movies.

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So I'm very intrigued.

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I would like to find out more about it for sure.

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Upcoming monster movie, Smile 2.

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Did you ever see the first Smile movie?

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No.

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I liked it.

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It has its flaws.

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I don't like the ending very much.

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And I think the sequel maybe will be not as good, but that's

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coming out pretty soon.

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October 18th.

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Since we are talking about killer robots, there is a movie

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called Y2K that is being released in December about the

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trailer looks pretty good.

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It's making the rounds on film and film festivals, but it's

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about a group of teenagers party years at the they're having

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a New Year's Eve party on 1999 to 2000.

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So the Y2K scare that electronics would all go haywire in

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this movie.

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In this movie, they do and like toaster start killing people

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and it looks awesome.

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You know, total maximum overdrive, you know, you know, so

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like like I'm saying, it's a really fun genre killer machines

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and robots.

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Yeah, I don't really know that much about Y2K the movie.

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That sounds pretty cool.

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I might have to check that out, but I agree about killer robots

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we just talked about chopping mall in the last episode, which

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is a great killer robot movie.

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Maybe Y2K will live up to that movies, you know, prestige at

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least in my own head.

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I hope so.

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I just love wackadoo movies like this coming out now because

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I feel like they are a throwback to the 80s and these other

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earlier times when you just had so many like small crazy

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movies being released.

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For sure.

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Yeah, and one of my favorite things about the movie that

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we're talking about tonight is that it's kind of a fun throwback

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to like creature features from, you know, like the 50s and

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60s.

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Yeah, the relic man.

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I feel like we've hardly mentioned it, but let's let's get

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to it.

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Yeah, let's let's dive in.

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We should be ruling the humans.

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These people are food.

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The world you live in is just a sugarcone in top.

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There's a war going on out there.

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This Friday, the agent man comes to an end.

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Evil's greatest fear that must hurt is our only hope.

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The worst is out there.

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Vampires like me.

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Wesley Slipes, Stephen Dorps, Blade.

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Rated R.

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Starts Friday.

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Someone is coming back to Elm Street.

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He is not friendly.

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He is not patient.

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And he is not a welcome visitor.

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But he has something terribly special for the new kid on the

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block.

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It started to happen again.

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You've had some scary dreams.

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Okay.

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Daddy can't help you now.

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There's something inside him.

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Fight him.

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You're not afraid of him.

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He doesn't even exist.

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Freddy Krueger is back on Elm Street.

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Watch out for him.

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Maybe in your neighborhood soon.

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A nightmare on Elm Street.

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Part two.

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You are all my children now.

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Freddy's Revenge.

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Suddenly, a man dies at the controls of a train.

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Suddenly, a car swerves to destruction.

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Suddenly, a plane dives to death.

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The earth dies screaming.

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Suddenly, death descends on the four corners of the earth.

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And only a handful of human beings survive to live in fear.

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Powerless to combat an unknown.

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The earth dies screaming and the robots take over.

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Okay, my history with the relic.

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Like no history.

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It's been something I'd seen on my Hulu Q and I'm like, yeah,

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that looks like something I'd be interested in.

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But leave it to Kam Kaiju to finally give me the excuse to watch it.

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So there's a lot of liked about this movie.

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There's some easy critiques to be made.

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But overall, I'm excited to dive into it.

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Definitely.

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Yeah, I have a similar history with this movie, although I did see it

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when I first came out.

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I think I must have seen it in the theater with my parents or something.

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They took me to a lot of movies when I was that age.

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I was around 13 years old when this came out and then I totally forgot

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about it for like, you know, like 20 or 30 years or whatever.

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My math is really bad tonight, man.

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I forgot about it for a very long time.

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And then I was just like flipping through the channels and a couple

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minutes of it were on TV and I was like, oh yeah, this movie.

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I totally forgot about this.

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It's like, I think most people have forgotten about this movie, but

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there's a lot that's fun about it.

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So I'm excited to talk about it, too.

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It is a monster movie, like a legitimate monster movie.

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And I found that really fun, especially with it being made in the 90s.

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It's just like it's a throwback movie, but it has such a 90s feel to it.

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Yeah, that I just I loved it.

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Cool.

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Yeah, I'm happy to hear that.

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I mostly really loved it, too.

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And it's set in a museum.

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It was shot at the Field Museum in Chicago, the Field Museum of Natural

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History.

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So that's a fun setting.

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Yeah, well, we'll dive in soon here.

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But yeah, a fun late 90s creature feature.

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Yeah, cool.

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So yeah, the relic from 1997, like I said, directed by Peter Hyams.

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He was also the cinematographer.

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He did the cinematography on most of the movies that he directed.

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So kind of serving double duty there.

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He was a kind of a solid craftsman who did movies in a lot of different

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genres.

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Capricorn 1, a sci-fi movie, was one of his first hits that he directed.

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He also made 2010 the sequel to 2001, a Space Odyssey, which I think is

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pretty terrible.

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But some people like that movie.

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Maybe I'm unfairly comparing it to 2001.

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Peter Hyams also directed two Jean-Claude Van Damme movies, Time

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Cop and Sudden Death, which are both really fun.

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I love JCVD.

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I'm a big fan of Jean-Claude Van Damme and those two time cop, especially

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so entertaining.

512
00:26:25,300 --> 00:26:29,800
So yeah, Peter Hyams, not like an auteur, not a brilliant artist, but

513
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,300
a lot of entertaining movies that he made over the years.

514
00:26:32,300 --> 00:26:38,800
The film was written by Amy Holden Jones, love a female screenwriter

515
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:40,000
in this genre.

516
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:46,400
John Raffo, Rick Jaffa, and Amanda Silver, based on the novel by Douglas

517
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,100
Preston and Lincoln Child.

518
00:26:48,100 --> 00:26:52,700
Amy Holden Jones had written and directed The Slumber Party Massacre,

519
00:26:52,700 --> 00:26:57,900
which I hear a lot in horror circles, and wrote movies like Love Letters

520
00:26:57,900 --> 00:26:59,800
and Decent Proposal and The Getaway.

521
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:01,800
The remake of The Getaway.

522
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:02,800
I just wanted to point that out.

523
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,300
Okay, good, good, good.

524
00:27:04,300 --> 00:27:11,400
Jaffa and Silver are a husband-wife team who wrote and produced

525
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,300
Rise of the Planet of the Apes.

526
00:27:13,300 --> 00:27:15,100
Hey, oh, yeah.

527
00:27:15,100 --> 00:27:17,800
I ever love its sequels in the reboot series.

528
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,000
They also wrote Jurassic World and the Avatar sequel.

529
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,800
Whoa, interesting.

530
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:23,300
Okay.

531
00:27:23,300 --> 00:27:28,600
Yeah, they have their hands in a lot of recent franchises and reboot

532
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:29,700
series and stuff like that.

533
00:27:29,700 --> 00:27:33,500
Of course, we just talked about Rise of the Planet of the Apes on our

534
00:27:33,500 --> 00:27:36,600
last episode, and I'm excited to go into more of those movies.

535
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:40,800
So I'll be, you know, intimately familiar with their work in the

536
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:41,800
near future, hopefully.

537
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:42,500
Yeah.

538
00:27:42,500 --> 00:27:49,900
The Relic was produced by Gail Anne Hurd and Sam Mercer, kind of

539
00:27:49,900 --> 00:27:52,700
similarly to that screenwriting team that we were just talking about.

540
00:27:52,700 --> 00:27:57,600
They have their presence in a lot of very, very well-known monster

541
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,100
horror thriller movies as well.

542
00:27:59,100 --> 00:28:05,600
Gail Anne Hurd produced The Terminator, Aliens, Alienation, The

543
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,900
Abyss, Tremors, not to mention several sequels in those franchises

544
00:28:09,900 --> 00:28:13,200
like Terminator 2 and Tremors 2 Aftershocks, I think it's called.

545
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,700
So yeah, she has produced a lot of monster movies over the years.

546
00:28:16,700 --> 00:28:21,100
Her producing partner on The Relic, Sam Mercer, produced movies

547
00:28:21,100 --> 00:28:23,100
like Congo, which is amazing.

548
00:28:23,100 --> 00:28:25,700
And I definitely hope that we talk about that on the podcast at

549
00:28:25,700 --> 00:28:30,700
some point, as well as several M.Night Shyamalan movies like Unbreakable

550
00:28:30,700 --> 00:28:31,900
Signs and The Village.

551
00:28:31,900 --> 00:28:35,700
So pretty good pedigree for the producing and writing team on this movie.

552
00:28:35,700 --> 00:28:36,800
Okay.

553
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:41,300
I mean, that all makes sense because these movies, all these movies

554
00:28:41,300 --> 00:28:46,200
we mentioned, these producers and writers clearly understand the

555
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,300
genre, which I get that watching The Relic.

556
00:28:49,300 --> 00:28:50,700
I know what they're doing.

557
00:28:50,700 --> 00:28:56,100
It leans into tropes, but in a really knowing way and effective way.

558
00:28:56,100 --> 00:28:57,200
It's good.

559
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:58,500
Like it's a solid movie.

560
00:28:58,500 --> 00:28:58,800
Okay.

561
00:28:58,800 --> 00:28:59,700
I won't get ahead of myself.

562
00:28:59,700 --> 00:29:05,100
Creature effects are by Stan Winston, a legend in the industry.

563
00:29:05,100 --> 00:29:08,200
Really, really effective stuff.

564
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:09,900
Again, I won't get ahead of myself.

565
00:29:09,900 --> 00:29:10,800
Yeah.

566
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,900
Well, there will be a lot to talk about there for sure.

567
00:29:12,900 --> 00:29:16,600
This movie maybe does not do justice to those creature effects, but

568
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:17,900
we'll talk more about that soon.

569
00:29:17,900 --> 00:29:22,300
So in the lead role, we have Penelope Ann Miller playing Dr.

570
00:29:22,300 --> 00:29:25,000
Margot Green, an evolutionary biologist.

571
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:29,700
Penelope Ann Miller had her first big break on Broadway and a

572
00:29:29,700 --> 00:29:32,900
start in many, many movies over the years like Adventures in Babysitting,

573
00:29:32,900 --> 00:29:37,300
Kindergarten Cop, Chaplin, Carlito's Way, The Shadow, so on and so forth.

574
00:29:37,300 --> 00:29:41,600
The Relic was her first horror movie and she said in interviews that

575
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:42,900
she really enjoyed making it.

576
00:29:42,900 --> 00:29:44,900
She liked the character a lot.

577
00:29:44,900 --> 00:29:47,000
She thought it was a good solid scary movie.

578
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:52,500
So her first experience with with acting in a horror movie and at

579
00:29:52,500 --> 00:29:54,800
least from her perspective, she really enjoyed it a lot.

580
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,300
Cool.

581
00:29:56,300 --> 00:30:01,000
Tom Sizemore is in this movie as Lieutenant Dagosta.

582
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,300
Dagosta.

583
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,300
Tom Sizemore is just one of those faces.

584
00:30:06,300 --> 00:30:11,800
He's just in a lot of different movies and TV, Born on the 4th of

585
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:16,700
July, Later, Point Break, True Romance, Heat, Saving Private Ryan,

586
00:30:16,700 --> 00:30:18,300
Bringing Out the Dead.

587
00:30:18,300 --> 00:30:20,300
So yeah, like tough guy roles.

588
00:30:20,300 --> 00:30:24,100
Tom Sizemore fits the bill.

589
00:30:24,100 --> 00:30:28,400
Yeah, great character actor and The Relic is one of the few times

590
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,300
that he plays the the male protagonist in the movie.

591
00:30:31,300 --> 00:30:34,300
So he's always a good presence.

592
00:30:34,300 --> 00:30:36,600
I think he just he just died a couple years ago.

593
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,100
So rest in peace to Tom Sizemore, but he's a lot of fun in this movie.

594
00:30:40,100 --> 00:30:46,300
In a supporting role, we have Linda Hunt as the movie or as the

595
00:30:46,300 --> 00:30:48,300
museum curator Anne Cuthbert.

596
00:30:48,300 --> 00:30:52,900
She's mostly distinctive for her very short stature.

597
00:30:52,900 --> 00:30:55,600
She's been in a lot of movies and TV shows over the years.

598
00:30:55,600 --> 00:31:00,100
Currently, she's probably best known for having a supporting role

599
00:31:00,100 --> 00:31:01,900
in NCIS Los Angeles.

600
00:31:01,900 --> 00:31:06,400
But she's also been in Popeye, the original Dune, The Year of

601
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:07,400
Living Dangerously.

602
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,300
Yes, a familiar presence for sure.

603
00:31:11,300 --> 00:31:13,500
If you see her in this movie, you'll probably recognize her.

604
00:31:13,500 --> 00:31:14,600
Yeah, she's fun.

605
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,900
Another staple of 90s pop culture movies.

606
00:31:17,900 --> 00:31:20,900
How about James Whitmore?

607
00:31:20,900 --> 00:31:24,800
I knew he looked familiar was in them.

608
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,900
Yeah, classic prior.

609
00:31:27,900 --> 00:31:28,700
Yeah.

610
00:31:28,700 --> 00:31:31,500
Yeah, I is sort of like you.

611
00:31:31,500 --> 00:31:33,500
I was like, where do I know that guy from?

612
00:31:33,500 --> 00:31:35,600
I've seen him in a movie before and sure enough.

613
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,300
Yeah, them one of my favorite monster movies.

614
00:31:38,300 --> 00:31:40,700
James Whitmore plays one of the main characters.

615
00:31:40,700 --> 00:31:44,100
Yeah, and he was also in the original Planet of the Apes.

616
00:31:44,100 --> 00:31:46,300
So we're bringing it back.

617
00:31:46,300 --> 00:31:50,300
Yep, it all comes full circle on Camp Kaji.

618
00:31:50,300 --> 00:31:53,300
I wish I could say that we planned that out.

619
00:31:53,300 --> 00:31:56,800
But in any case, it's a fun coincidence for sure.

620
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:57,500
Yeah.

621
00:31:57,500 --> 00:32:02,900
The last cast member that I wanted to mention is Joffrey C.

622
00:32:02,900 --> 00:32:03,400
Brown.

623
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,000
He has a very small role in this movie.

624
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,800
He plays the security guard who is the first person killed in

625
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:09,200
the movie.

626
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,700
The only reason I think this is interesting is because he's

627
00:32:11,700 --> 00:32:14,600
also in Jurassic Park and he's the first character killed in

628
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:15,500
that movie as well.

629
00:32:15,500 --> 00:32:19,000
He's the animal handler who is killed by a velociraptor at

630
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,500
the beginning of that movie kind of gives credence to the

631
00:32:21,500 --> 00:32:24,500
cliche from 1990s movies that the black characters are always

632
00:32:24,500 --> 00:32:25,300
the first to die.

633
00:32:25,300 --> 00:32:26,300
That's unfortunate.

634
00:32:26,300 --> 00:32:28,900
But it's kind of a cool connection that Joffrey C.

635
00:32:28,900 --> 00:32:30,900
Brown is in both the relic and Jurassic Park.

636
00:32:30,900 --> 00:32:32,200
I just wanted to point that out.

637
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:33,800
Yeah, valid.

638
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:34,400
That's good.

639
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,300
Yeah, trivia.

640
00:32:36,300 --> 00:32:37,500
It's all about the trivia here.

641
00:32:37,500 --> 00:32:40,700
Oh, I mean, what kind of movie podcast would we be if we

642
00:32:40,700 --> 00:32:41,600
didn't talk trivia?

643
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:42,500
Exactly.

644
00:32:42,500 --> 00:32:42,900
Yeah.

645
00:32:42,900 --> 00:32:43,600
Yeah.

646
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaking of which, there are probably some good trivia facts

647
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,400
in the production backstory of the film.

648
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:49,800
Should we dive into that real quick?

649
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:50,500
Oh, yes.

650
00:32:50,500 --> 00:32:54,900
So like we said before, the movie is based on a novel by

651
00:32:54,900 --> 00:32:57,100
Douglas Preston and Lincoln Child.

652
00:32:57,100 --> 00:33:00,100
That novel is set in the American Museum of Natural

653
00:33:00,100 --> 00:33:03,500
History in New York where Preston was the public relations

654
00:33:03,500 --> 00:33:04,000
director.

655
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,500
He seems to have maybe had some kind of beef in that position

656
00:33:08,500 --> 00:33:12,000
because the novel doesn't always portray museum management

657
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,000
in the best light.

658
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,500
So when they were working on this film adaptation, the

659
00:33:16,500 --> 00:33:20,800
museum would not allow the filmmakers to shoot in the

660
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,900
actual American Museum of Natural History.

661
00:33:22,900 --> 00:33:25,300
They also said that they were a little bit worried about,

662
00:33:25,300 --> 00:33:29,300
you know, a scary movie kind of like keeping kids away from

663
00:33:29,300 --> 00:33:31,900
the museum, which is insane.

664
00:33:31,900 --> 00:33:34,900
Like, you know, that would bring kids to the museum if like

665
00:33:34,900 --> 00:33:36,100
a horror movie is set there.

666
00:33:36,100 --> 00:33:38,900
So in any case, they didn't shoot the movie there.

667
00:33:38,900 --> 00:33:42,900
The producers kind of scrambled to find a replacement and

668
00:33:42,900 --> 00:33:46,900
luckily the Field Museum in Chicago loved the idea and

669
00:33:46,900 --> 00:33:49,500
jumped at the opportunity for them to shoot the movie there.

670
00:33:49,500 --> 00:33:51,000
So that's where it's at.

671
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,300
Yeah, talk about publicity.

672
00:33:53,300 --> 00:33:54,300
Like, come on.

673
00:33:54,300 --> 00:33:55,900
Yeah, I write.

674
00:33:55,900 --> 00:33:57,900
I mean, it's like you.

675
00:33:57,900 --> 00:33:58,900
I don't know.

676
00:33:58,900 --> 00:34:01,900
The museum setting is so fun in this movie, you know, like

677
00:34:01,900 --> 00:34:03,500
it adds to it so much.

678
00:34:03,500 --> 00:34:06,500
And I've never seen the A Night at the Museum movies with

679
00:34:06,500 --> 00:34:07,100
Ben Stiller.

680
00:34:07,100 --> 00:34:11,900
I kind of assume they're terrible, but I sort of see the

681
00:34:11,900 --> 00:34:15,800
relic is like a gory monster movie version of those movies,

682
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,900
you know, like I think like maybe there's a similar appeal

683
00:34:18,900 --> 00:34:19,100
there.

684
00:34:19,100 --> 00:34:22,000
So, I don't know, the Field Museum is definitely a major

685
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,800
character in this movie and provides a lot of the fun to

686
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,000
its kind of atmosphere, I would say.

687
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,600
And how many, yeah, just like how many movies are have this

688
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:33,000
setting.

689
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,800
I will stand up for the first night at the museum.

690
00:34:36,900 --> 00:34:39,800
Okay, I've never seen the sequels, but you know, it's one

691
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,400
of Mickey Rooney's last roles.

692
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,500
So he's just fun and Dick Van Dyke who's still alive.

693
00:34:44,500 --> 00:34:46,300
Oh, and Robin Williams is in it too, right?

694
00:34:46,300 --> 00:34:48,300
He's in the sequel.

695
00:34:48,300 --> 00:34:49,000
Okay.

696
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:50,900
I take it back.

697
00:34:50,900 --> 00:34:53,900
I should see them before I talk trash about them.

698
00:34:53,900 --> 00:34:54,600
So I take it back.

699
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:55,200
I'm sorry.

700
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,000
Good to know that you like the first one.

701
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:57,400
That's cool.

702
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:58,900
No, I forget.

703
00:34:58,900 --> 00:35:00,500
Just go watch Megalopolis again.

704
00:35:01,900 --> 00:35:04,300
You know, I mean like we're equal opportunity.

705
00:35:04,300 --> 00:35:06,700
You can love Megalopolis and you can watch a Night of the

706
00:35:06,700 --> 00:35:07,100
Museum.

707
00:35:07,100 --> 00:35:07,700
It's all good.

708
00:35:07,700 --> 00:35:11,100
I'll see Megalopolis for a third time and then watch a Night

709
00:35:11,100 --> 00:35:12,100
of the Museum afterwards.

710
00:35:12,100 --> 00:35:13,200
It'll be a great double feature.

711
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,000
That's a yeah, that you tell me about that.

712
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,300
My brain will explode afterwards.

713
00:35:21,300 --> 00:35:21,900
What else?

714
00:35:21,900 --> 00:35:24,100
Well, the adaptation did you just mention this?

715
00:35:24,100 --> 00:35:24,500
I don't know.

716
00:35:24,500 --> 00:35:27,700
The adaptation cuts out the books main character FBI agent

717
00:35:27,700 --> 00:35:32,100
Pendergast, but this is just kind of incorporated into the

718
00:35:32,100 --> 00:35:33,400
Degasta character.

719
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:38,600
So nothing really lost there, but let's talk Stan Winston

720
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:39,500
and his crew.

721
00:35:39,500 --> 00:35:42,800
They made three versions of the creature which is called the

722
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,400
how that could have been a trivia question.

723
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,300
If we had one on this episode.

724
00:35:47,300 --> 00:35:48,500
Cthoga.

725
00:35:48,500 --> 00:35:49,500
It's a really cool name.

726
00:35:49,500 --> 00:35:50,100
Cthoga.

727
00:35:50,100 --> 00:35:51,700
There it is.

728
00:35:51,700 --> 00:35:52,000
Yeah.

729
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,400
Yeah, the Cthoga.

730
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:58,200
They made three versions of the Cthoga with two people moving

731
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,100
the head and several other crew members working the electronics

732
00:36:01,100 --> 00:36:03,300
to move the arms, claws, mouth, etc.

733
00:36:03,300 --> 00:36:07,000
The initial plan was to use more animatronics, but the short

734
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,000
pre-production schedule forced them to use the man in a suit

735
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:10,500
approach.

736
00:36:10,500 --> 00:36:15,600
Final design had a spider like head and a 15 foot long body

737
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:20,400
that was an amalgamation of a lion and alligator a horse

738
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:25,200
detailed with reptilian scales and tufts of hair down the spine.

739
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,000
So yeah, those those practical creature effects are kind of

740
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:33,000
combined with CGI whenever we see the creature in close-up

741
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,500
or if it's kind of, you know, supposed to be like lurking off

742
00:36:36,500 --> 00:36:39,200
camera or whatever, then it's usually the practical effects.

743
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,800
If it's running or if it's kind of like it's mostly if it's

744
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,800
running or if it's kind of moving quickly, then CGI is usually

745
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:46,400
used instead.

746
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:51,200
It really does seem like the creature was like the main hurdle

747
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:52,400
in the production of this movie.

748
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,200
Like I couldn't really find out a lot about the rest of the

749
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,800
making of the film, which I think kind of went, you know, just

750
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,000
according to plan, but the creature was extremely difficult,

751
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,900
very painful for the actors that were in the suit.

752
00:37:03,900 --> 00:37:06,000
It took a long time to get the look of it, right?

753
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:10,600
I found a lot of stuff just about the CGI that went into the

754
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,800
making of it and like all the different sort of like late 90s

755
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,800
computer programs that they used to make it.

756
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,200
I didn't think it was really maybe interesting to talk about

757
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,700
on this episode, but it's definitely out there on the on

758
00:37:22,700 --> 00:37:23,100
the internet.

759
00:37:23,100 --> 00:37:28,000
And if you're into, you know, late 90s computer graphics and

760
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,800
design, it was an ordeal for sure.

761
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:37,200
They use like four different programs to like combine the

762
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,800
rendering and the look and like the facial expressions and

763
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:40,400
stuff like that.

764
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:44,800
So whether or not those CGI effects hold up is another matter,

765
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,500
but we'll talk more about that.

766
00:37:46,500 --> 00:37:50,500
Yeah, and that just sounds exactly the kind of research I

767
00:37:50,500 --> 00:37:54,800
did with the mummy from 1999, which is only two years later,

768
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:59,200
but this technology that we take for granted now truly was

769
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:04,400
still in its infancy and visual designers were like both

770
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:08,200
excited, but also frustrated with the technology because it

771
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:09,300
was just like right there.

772
00:38:09,300 --> 00:38:11,600
They're so close to getting it to work perfectly.

773
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:16,000
But like you say, it took a lot of tinkering to get something

774
00:38:16,300 --> 00:38:17,100
realistic.

775
00:38:17,700 --> 00:38:21,000
Yeah, and just a lot of time and money to like this movie was

776
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,300
supposed to come out in 1996 and then they had to delay that

777
00:38:24,300 --> 00:38:27,200
almost a year just because the computer effects took so long.

778
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:33,000
So I have a habit of like bad mouthing CGI and I still hold

779
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,900
hold firm to that point of view.

780
00:38:34,900 --> 00:38:38,600
But you know, it's easy to forget that like there's so much

781
00:38:38,900 --> 00:38:42,200
innovation and so many artists that take part in that process.

782
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:48,600
So I don't love CGI, but shout out to all the people who worked

783
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:49,800
on the CGI in this movie.

784
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,400
It sounds like it was a pretty pretty difficult ordeal time

785
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:57,300
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786
00:38:57,300 --> 00:39:00,400
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792
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793
00:39:18,900 --> 00:39:24,000
Vincent, do we have anything fun in Minya's mailbox tonight?

794
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,000
Oh, we do. Fun, fun, fun.

795
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:28,600
We have two comments.

796
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,300
I'm going to I'm going to since they're short.

797
00:39:30,300 --> 00:39:31,900
I figured I'd read both of them.

798
00:39:31,900 --> 00:39:37,400
These are both on our YouTube page mischief tales and they

799
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:38,900
relate to Fiend Without a Face.

800
00:39:38,900 --> 00:39:45,600
So we have Ruffian Zion and Ruffian Zion says I saw this film

801
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,600
when I was at school and loved it.

802
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:51,200
I created a monster for my D&D campaign that was based on

803
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:52,500
the mental vampires.

804
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:54,600
Cool.

805
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:55,200
That sounds fun.

806
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:56,600
Mental vampires.

807
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:57,700
So cool.

808
00:39:57,700 --> 00:40:03,300
We also have Paul Peretti on YouTube and Paul Peretti says

809
00:40:03,300 --> 00:40:06,500
one of my all-time favorite sci-fi movies.

810
00:40:06,500 --> 00:40:07,800
It's good to hear.

811
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,300
I mean, Fiend Without a Face.

812
00:40:09,300 --> 00:40:11,300
I'll stick up for that movie.

813
00:40:11,300 --> 00:40:14,400
I know we both rated it the same way, but I feel like we had

814
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,300
slightly different reactions to it.

815
00:40:16,300 --> 00:40:17,600
I'm a big fan of it as well.

816
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:21,600
I know you mostly were too, but with some reservations, I'm

817
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,500
always happy to hear that people like Fiend Without a Face.

818
00:40:24,500 --> 00:40:25,600
I think it's really fun.

819
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:29,700
Yeah, no in hindsight like I like the Monster Candy podcast

820
00:40:29,700 --> 00:40:31,800
guys, they they love that movie too.

821
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,900
So it's like one of those things where now I hadn't I wasn't

822
00:40:35,900 --> 00:40:40,100
familiar with the movie before but now that I am I'm hearing

823
00:40:40,100 --> 00:40:41,000
about it all the time.

824
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:47,200
I'm like, oh, where was I for, you know, 70 years?

825
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:51,600
Not in existence for most of that time.

826
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,200
So you have a good excuse there, you know, excuses.

827
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,600
But yeah, that's it.

828
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,000
Say it has cult status.

829
00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:58,500
Yeah.

830
00:40:58,500 --> 00:41:01,000
Thank you, Ruffy and Zion.

831
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:02,200
Thank you, Paul Peretti.

832
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:06,000
Thank you all for writing in week in week out.

833
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,800
We appreciate it and we love reading your comments and your

834
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:09,200
thoughts.

835
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:13,000
So keep them coming and we'll keep featuring them on Menia's

836
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:13,400
mailbox.

837
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,600
And we also have a trivia question out there.

838
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:20,000
There's still time to submit your answer to our trivia question

839
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,400
that we gave you all in our Planet of the Apes episode.

840
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,000
Here I'm going to repeat the question for you all if you

841
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,000
would like to participate.

842
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:31,600
Planet of the Apes was nominated for three Razzie Awards.

843
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,400
The film won two of them.

844
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,000
Worst remake or sequel and Worst Supporting Actor.

845
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:41,800
That award Worst Supporting Actor went to which member of

846
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,600
the supporting cast of Planet of the Apes.

847
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:48,600
That is our trivia question for Planet of the Apes.

848
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,400
If you know the answer you'd like to guess, please feel free

849
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:57,400
to leave the answer on our social media pages or email

850
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:58,000
CampKaiju.

851
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:03,000
We will announce the answer on our next episode about the

852
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:03,600
Wolfman.

853
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:04,800
So stay tuned for that.

854
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,200
Yes, for sure.

855
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,400
Thank you, Matt, for refreshing us there.

856
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,800
And now we're going to turn it over to Mr.

857
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:12,800
Peter Laurie.

858
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:17,800
He's going to talk about Metropolis, not Megalopolis, but

859
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:25,200
I'm sure there's Coppola's pole in some of the same imagery.

860
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:26,000
Maybe I don't know.

861
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:27,400
I've never seen it.

862
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:31,400
Yeah, there are definitely like explicit references to Metropolis

863
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:35,400
including like one little dance that like the robot Maria

864
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,100
does in Metropolis that also is kind of like repeated in

865
00:42:38,100 --> 00:42:38,800
Megalopolis.

866
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,900
So I'm not going to nerd out about Megalopolis too much, but

867
00:42:42,900 --> 00:42:45,500
that's one of many, many fun, fun things about that movie.

868
00:42:45,500 --> 00:42:49,400
Well, I don't think Peter Laurie will nerd out about Metropolis.

869
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:53,000
He's I've heard he's not having a great time in the recording

870
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:53,200
booth.

871
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:57,500
He keeps like he keeps scratching at the door.

872
00:42:57,500 --> 00:42:59,300
He keeps I'm like Peter.

873
00:42:59,300 --> 00:43:01,100
We give you food.

874
00:43:01,100 --> 00:43:02,000
We give you water.

875
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:02,800
What else do you need?

876
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,100
Yeah, he has his bucket of fish heads in there.

877
00:43:06,100 --> 00:43:08,200
Like, you know, just just be content.

878
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:08,800
That's all you need.

879
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,200
He's maybe someday he'll break out of there, but I kind of doubt

880
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:12,400
it.

881
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:13,500
I don't think it's ever going to happen.

882
00:43:13,500 --> 00:43:17,800
He must fulfill the contract for season four and then he's

883
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:18,900
free to do whatever he wants.

884
00:43:18,900 --> 00:43:21,700
But don't don't say that we need him for the next couple

885
00:43:21,700 --> 00:43:22,500
seasons at least.

886
00:43:22,500 --> 00:43:27,700
Well, okay, you bring it up between you and me and you listeners.

887
00:43:27,700 --> 00:43:33,000
I am in talks with Bela Lugosi.

888
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:37,200
Whoa, that's miraculous.

889
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,200
Yes, he's trying.

890
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:40,600
It's his comeback tour.

891
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,000
We're trying to see he wants it.

892
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:43,800
He wants us.

893
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:48,000
He came to us and I was like, okay, I saw your last movie.

894
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,500
I'll give you I'll throw you a bone.

895
00:43:51,500 --> 00:43:54,900
Yeah, how can you say no to Bela Lugosi?

896
00:43:54,900 --> 00:43:57,900
He's, you know, synonymous with classic horror.

897
00:43:57,900 --> 00:44:02,200
You have to you might do something with like poverty row horror

898
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:02,700
films.

899
00:44:02,700 --> 00:44:05,000
Man, I can't wait.

900
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,000
That's I mean, I do.

901
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:09,300
I feel bad for Peter.

902
00:44:09,300 --> 00:44:12,400
I hope he breaks out of that recordings booth at some point because

903
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,900
yeah, it cannot be fun in there.

904
00:44:14,900 --> 00:44:18,600
So we'll have to see what happens with with Peter and Bella coming

905
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:19,000
up soon.

906
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:19,700
Yeah.

907
00:44:19,700 --> 00:44:23,200
Well, for now, we've got metropolis to hear from.

908
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,500
So yeah, it'll be a good time.

909
00:44:26,500 --> 00:44:27,000
Cool.

910
00:44:27,100 --> 00:44:27,800
I can't wait.

911
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:38,700
Before Karloff and Lugosi stocked the screens, the movies were no

912
00:44:38,700 --> 00:44:40,100
less monstrous.

913
00:44:40,700 --> 00:44:45,400
These frightful figures lurked in the expressionistic shadows and

914
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,000
danced in the macabre moonlight.

915
00:44:48,500 --> 00:44:50,100
Oh, they laughed.

916
00:44:50,300 --> 00:44:51,400
They cried.

917
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:56,000
They fooled the sensibilities of honest decent folk.

918
00:44:57,700 --> 00:44:59,800
The age of silent pictures.

919
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,100
These gruesome ghouls nonetheless crying out with a savage

920
00:45:04,100 --> 00:45:08,100
humanity that took the breath from all who witnessed their

921
00:45:08,100 --> 00:45:09,600
devilish delights.

922
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:15,400
For in the silence, no one can hear you scream.

923
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:28,200
You know Pierre, this bucket of fish heads isn't so bad.

924
00:45:28,700 --> 00:45:29,600
Hmm.

925
00:45:29,900 --> 00:45:34,000
Perhaps I should be more civil with Matthew and Vincent.

926
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:39,600
Perhaps if I extend the olive branch, they may be more amenable

927
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,700
to my desperate situation.

928
00:45:41,700 --> 00:45:46,000
For it is not the infernal recording book that upsets me so,

929
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:50,200
but rather the lack of human connection.

930
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:53,200
No offense, Pierre.

931
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,500
But do you hear me, my captors?

932
00:45:56,500 --> 00:46:02,100
Matthew, Vincent, I throw down the bucket of fish head gauntlet

933
00:46:02,100 --> 00:46:07,200
and I say to you, come and visit me sometime and you shall have

934
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,200
a fish head for yourself.

935
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,000
Hmm.

936
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,500
Oh, this is some good food.

937
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:16,800
Hmm.

938
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,700
Well, well, well, well.

939
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:25,100
Damen und Herren, welcome to Silent But Deadly where I, Peter

940
00:46:25,100 --> 00:46:29,700
Laurie, review monster movies from the silent era with the

941
00:46:29,700 --> 00:46:31,600
supreme pleasure.

942
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:37,400
I positively relish my summoning from the spirit world to willingly

943
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,700
lend my voice to a podcast.

944
00:46:41,100 --> 00:46:46,700
This week we discuss Metropolis from director Fritz Long who

945
00:46:46,700 --> 00:46:51,700
might be just as well known for his films M and the Doctor

946
00:46:51,700 --> 00:46:53,100
Mabusa series.

947
00:46:54,100 --> 00:46:58,000
Metropolis was made in Germany during the Weimar period.

948
00:46:58,500 --> 00:47:02,600
It is set in a futuristic urban dystopia and follows the

949
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:07,400
attempts of Frater, the wealthy son of the city master and Maria,

950
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:11,900
a saintly figure to the workers, who overcome the vast Gulf

951
00:47:12,100 --> 00:47:16,100
separating the classes in their city and bring these workers

952
00:47:16,100 --> 00:47:21,400
together with the films often repeated message reads quote

953
00:47:21,700 --> 00:47:26,100
the mediator between the head and the hands must be the heart.

954
00:47:27,900 --> 00:47:31,900
Metropolis is difficult to surmise in mere minutes.

955
00:47:31,900 --> 00:47:36,400
It is an epic science fiction film with elements of horror in

956
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:41,300
the mad scientist Rotvang and his evil Android mistress.

957
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,700
The movie is cited among the most influential of all time with

958
00:47:45,700 --> 00:47:49,800
its design elements appearing in other classics like like

959
00:47:49,900 --> 00:47:53,700
Blade Runner and Matthew's personal favorite movie of all

960
00:47:53,700 --> 00:47:55,900
time Megalopolis.

961
00:47:56,600 --> 00:48:00,600
And while I may prefer my own feature with Fritz Lang, I

962
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,700
cannot recommend Metropolis enough.

963
00:48:04,300 --> 00:48:05,100
Next time.

964
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:10,400
Oh, yes, next time we will discuss one more movie from Germany

965
00:48:10,700 --> 00:48:14,600
in the Expressionistic School and considering it's Halloween.

966
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,300
This one will be perfect.

967
00:48:16,700 --> 00:48:20,100
FW Murnau's other classic Faust.

968
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:24,200
I think I am getting good at this Pierre so good that Matthew

969
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:28,300
and Vincent are bound to notice they just have to and if anything

970
00:48:28,300 --> 00:48:33,000
else the bucket of fish heads will will will waft up the air

971
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:37,900
vents into their nostrils and seduce them down below into the

972
00:48:37,900 --> 00:49:07,200
podcast booth.

973
00:49:07,900 --> 00:49:22,700
Now I tell you son, I tell you I was coming home from the gym

974
00:49:22,700 --> 00:49:27,500
one day and I thought I was scared of my shadow.

975
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,300
But then it wasn't my shadow.

976
00:49:31,500 --> 00:49:33,800
It was other shadows that were chasing me.

977
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:35,500
Now here's the thing.

978
00:49:35,500 --> 00:49:40,400
I came up with an idea and I just wanted to run it by y'all

979
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:44,800
to see which thing so even now that I'm done with that voice.

980
00:49:45,100 --> 00:49:45,700
Anyways, hello.

981
00:49:45,700 --> 00:49:48,500
This is Sean from a toko for two with Big Mac and the but not

982
00:49:48,500 --> 00:49:50,900
huge also great patron supporter.

983
00:49:51,100 --> 00:49:52,200
I guess maybe I don't know.

984
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:56,800
Anyways, I was coming home from the gym and it was pretty late

985
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:01,300
at night and there were some shadows that were I mean, I was

986
00:50:01,300 --> 00:50:03,100
tired as well, but there were some shadows that were coming

987
00:50:03,100 --> 00:50:05,400
around and I started thinking, you know, this

988
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,400
would be a really interesting time for a giant monster to

989
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,300
just come out and start chasing after me.

990
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:14,800
There's no other cars on the road and I'm starting to think

991
00:50:14,900 --> 00:50:18,500
huh, but what if that monster was attacked by another monster

992
00:50:18,500 --> 00:50:20,600
and I wasn't really paying attention about it.

993
00:50:20,900 --> 00:50:24,100
So I'm starting to think what if I could come up with a short

994
00:50:24,100 --> 00:50:28,700
film idea of this guy who's just going about his business

995
00:50:28,700 --> 00:50:32,400
not paying attention to anything and as he's going home

996
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:36,700
or going from destination to destination, he's being stopped

997
00:50:36,700 --> 00:50:41,600
by either giant monsters or other predators and then these

998
00:50:42,700 --> 00:50:46,300
secondary giant monsters or other predators end up coming

999
00:50:46,300 --> 00:50:49,900
out and catching them instead of him actually being caught

1000
00:50:49,900 --> 00:50:51,200
by any of these monsters.

1001
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:57,000
So it's like a chase sequence, but not really.

1002
00:50:58,700 --> 00:51:00,800
I don't really know how to articulate it very well because

1003
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,900
I'm also really tired, but I just wanted to go ahead and

1004
00:51:04,300 --> 00:51:06,800
see what you guys thought with that kind of idea where

1005
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,300
you know, you could just play us play up something was like

1006
00:51:09,300 --> 00:51:13,000
that and maybe some something to add on to it.

1007
00:51:13,500 --> 00:51:17,300
Anyways, have a good time with with the podcast guys love

1008
00:51:17,300 --> 00:51:17,800
hearing it.

1009
00:51:27,700 --> 00:51:28,200
Cool.

1010
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,400
I love it, man.

1011
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:36,100
Well, it's hard to get a clear vision of what he's talking

1012
00:51:36,100 --> 00:51:39,300
about there, but I'm intrigued for sure.

1013
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,400
Kind of reminds me of the end of Jurassic Park where like

1014
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,700
the velociraptors are coming after the characters and then

1015
00:51:44,700 --> 00:51:47,500
the T-Rex swoops in and like picks it up off the ground,

1016
00:51:47,500 --> 00:51:47,800
you know.

1017
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:53,200
Yeah, I love those moments where you're by yourself.

1018
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,200
Maybe you're in bed at night and you can't sleep but your

1019
00:51:56,200 --> 00:52:00,100
mind's just racing and you come up with these ideas for a

1020
00:52:00,100 --> 00:52:04,200
movie or a TV show and you're like, oh, that's a good idea.

1021
00:52:04,300 --> 00:52:07,000
And Sean, I do think that is a good idea, especially as a

1022
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:07,600
short film.

1023
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:08,400
I can see it.

1024
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,400
I can see someone having a lot of fun with the shadow work,

1025
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:13,200
especially.

1026
00:52:14,300 --> 00:52:15,200
Yeah, for sure.

1027
00:52:15,500 --> 00:52:18,000
I think like whenever an idea like that gets into your head,

1028
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,200
like just write it, you know, even if you only start with

1029
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:23,700
like one scene or one idea, it can like expand in both

1030
00:52:23,700 --> 00:52:24,700
directions from there.

1031
00:52:24,700 --> 00:52:26,500
So take and run with it.

1032
00:52:26,500 --> 00:52:28,700
I want to hear more, you know.

1033
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:29,500
Yeah.

1034
00:52:29,900 --> 00:52:30,100
All right.

1035
00:52:30,100 --> 00:52:33,300
Thank you, Sean for calling into the Kaiju hotline listeners

1036
00:52:33,300 --> 00:52:34,100
out there.

1037
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:37,400
We've had Naomi and Sean now two weeks running.

1038
00:52:37,500 --> 00:52:39,500
Let's keep the Kaiju hotline going.

1039
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:41,600
Crank calls, especially please.

1040
00:52:41,700 --> 00:52:42,400
I want to hear something.

1041
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:44,900
Don't disappoint Matt.

1042
00:52:46,700 --> 00:52:49,100
Let's get some cranky anchors in here, you know.

1043
00:52:49,100 --> 00:52:53,300
All right, we're done.

1044
00:53:02,700 --> 00:53:05,900
It lives 50 feet beneath the streets.

1045
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,000
It's 36 feet long.

1046
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:17,000
It weighs over 2,000 pounds.

1047
00:53:19,300 --> 00:53:21,200
And it's about to break out.

1048
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,300
We're looking at the one who saw it.

1049
00:53:29,100 --> 00:53:30,000
And it was big.

1050
00:53:30,700 --> 00:53:31,600
You said it was dark.

1051
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:32,800
Now, perhaps you're mistaken.

1052
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:37,800
All right.

1053
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:41,000
Alligator half that size would starve in a week.

1054
00:53:48,500 --> 00:53:51,300
You kept coming up with some garbage about alligators in

1055
00:53:51,300 --> 00:53:52,000
the sewer.

1056
00:53:52,100 --> 00:53:53,500
I've seen what this animal can do.

1057
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:55,600
You better take all the help you can get.

1058
00:53:59,000 --> 00:53:59,800
Alligator.

1059
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,800
All right, so back to the relic, our film that we're

1060
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:05,900
talking about tonight.

1061
00:54:05,900 --> 00:54:08,500
Let's talk a little bit about the themes of this movie.

1062
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,500
And if there actually are themes in this movie, that

1063
00:54:11,500 --> 00:54:13,100
might be the first question to answer.

1064
00:54:14,100 --> 00:54:15,200
There are a couple there.

1065
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:16,600
They're not especially deep.

1066
00:54:16,700 --> 00:54:18,600
I'll just bring up one of them here real quick.

1067
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:19,000
Yeah.

1068
00:54:19,700 --> 00:54:23,400
So superstition plays a pretty big role in the relic.

1069
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:27,600
There's an entire museum exhibit that's that focuses on

1070
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:30,900
superstition throughout the world and in kind of historical

1071
00:54:30,900 --> 00:54:32,300
cultures and stuff like that.

1072
00:54:32,300 --> 00:54:35,500
So it's it's kind of, you know, right in the forefront.

1073
00:54:35,500 --> 00:54:38,000
They're like superstition is a big part of this movie.

1074
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,800
The lieutenant character, D'Augusta, is very suspicious

1075
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:43,700
or sorry superstitious himself.

1076
00:54:43,900 --> 00:54:47,400
He, you know, has this lucky bullet that he carries around

1077
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:48,500
with him at all times.

1078
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:52,400
He makes sure that he never steps over a corpse in a crime

1079
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,200
scene because he thinks that it's bad luck.

1080
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,900
He makes sure that like, you know, inevitably there's a

1081
00:54:57,900 --> 00:55:00,700
moment where like a cat jumps out from like a shelf and

1082
00:55:00,700 --> 00:55:03,300
scares somebody and he makes sure that it's not a black

1083
00:55:03,300 --> 00:55:05,300
cat because that of course would be very bad luck.

1084
00:55:05,300 --> 00:55:09,600
So yeah, this theme of like science versus superstition is

1085
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,100
a pretty big part of the relic because of course, Dr.

1086
00:55:12,100 --> 00:55:15,200
Green, the evolutionary biologist is all about science.

1087
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:18,600
You know, any mystery can be explained by science, even if

1088
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,700
we don't quite understand the logic behind it yet.

1089
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,900
And that's that's a familiar trope from monster movies,

1090
00:55:24,900 --> 00:55:27,900
you know, too many to list really.

1091
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,700
Yeah, I don't know how much depth there really is to that.

1092
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:32,200
What do you think about that theme?

1093
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:36,700
No, it's like so much of this movie.

1094
00:55:36,700 --> 00:55:41,500
It is perhaps surface level, but it's effective.

1095
00:55:41,500 --> 00:55:46,000
Like it provides the key conflict in the story.

1096
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:51,200
This conflict between our two leads, the male protagonist

1097
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:54,000
and the female scientist.

1098
00:55:54,000 --> 00:56:00,200
So without it, I don't know what this movie would have as

1099
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,900
a as that driving force that conflict.

1100
00:56:03,300 --> 00:56:06,800
Yeah, there needs to be some conflict between them to drive

1101
00:56:06,900 --> 00:56:08,700
drive that relationship forward a little bit.

1102
00:56:08,700 --> 00:56:10,800
It works pretty well in that context.

1103
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:16,100
It is kind of closely related to another theme or maybe a

1104
00:56:16,100 --> 00:56:19,100
part of that theme that's in the movie, which is like, you

1105
00:56:19,100 --> 00:56:23,100
know, the the idea of the movie, the narrative context is

1106
00:56:23,100 --> 00:56:27,400
that there's a tribe in South America that has this kind

1107
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:32,800
of, you know, exotic ayahuasca kind of like ceremony and

1108
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:34,600
that's kind of how the whole thing starts.

1109
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:37,000
There's an anthropologist who goes there and spends time

1110
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:41,700
with this tribe and then he brings this, you know, weird

1111
00:56:41,700 --> 00:56:43,800
lizard monster back to Chicago.

1112
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:45,700
That's that's the story in a nutshell.

1113
00:56:45,700 --> 00:56:47,800
I don't think we have to go into too much more detail about

1114
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:51,800
it. So, you know, we also had this kind of like remote

1115
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:53,500
exotic South American tribe.

1116
00:56:53,500 --> 00:56:56,000
That's very superstitious again, very exotic.

1117
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,800
It's it's like so brief in this movie that it's not super

1118
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,100
offensive, but it is like, oh great, like this thing again,

1119
00:57:01,100 --> 00:57:04,000
which isn't so many monster movies dating all the way back

1120
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:04,800
to King Kong.

1121
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:08,500
You have it in I Walk with a Zombie Mothra several other

1122
00:57:08,500 --> 00:57:09,500
Godzilla movies.

1123
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:14,800
And again, it's kind of just like background flavor, I guess

1124
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:19,600
that, you know, like there's not really that much depth to

1125
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:20,100
the tribe.

1126
00:57:20,100 --> 00:57:22,900
We don't really know anything about them, but the movie kind

1127
00:57:22,900 --> 00:57:27,300
of contrasts that tribe with like, you know, the rigid science

1128
00:57:27,300 --> 00:57:28,100
of the Dr.

1129
00:57:28,100 --> 00:57:32,400
Green character, not to mention the sort of monetary impulse

1130
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:36,600
of the museum curators and the politicians who are desperate

1131
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:39,300
to get this opening night gala off the ground, even though

1132
00:57:39,300 --> 00:57:42,900
there might be sort of a bloodthirsty monster lurking in

1133
00:57:42,900 --> 00:57:43,500
the hallways.

1134
00:57:43,700 --> 00:57:45,200
So there's that contrast there, too.

1135
00:57:46,300 --> 00:57:50,100
Yeah, I can throw it into the into the themes that theme of

1136
00:57:50,100 --> 00:57:52,700
these money people high society.

1137
00:57:52,700 --> 00:57:54,600
They're throwing this back this gala.

1138
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:58,700
It must go on no matter what the cost, right?

1139
00:57:58,700 --> 00:58:00,900
It's just this this sure.

1140
00:58:00,900 --> 00:58:06,300
It's their livelihood, but it's still putting material matter

1141
00:58:06,300 --> 00:58:09,900
and money over the fact that this is an active crime scene

1142
00:58:09,900 --> 00:58:11,300
and people are in danger.

1143
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:12,900
They don't care about that.

1144
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:14,900
And this is not a criticism.

1145
00:58:14,900 --> 00:58:18,600
It is another trope of monster movies.

1146
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:21,800
I immediately thought about Joe Dante's Piranha.

1147
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:25,800
It's the same setup and and there's countless other I mean

1148
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:26,300
jaws.

1149
00:58:26,300 --> 00:58:30,300
Yep, that's fourth of July has to go off alligator as well.

1150
00:58:30,300 --> 00:58:31,900
Yeah, so example.

1151
00:58:31,900 --> 00:58:34,400
I love that it to me.

1152
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:35,500
It's not a detriment.

1153
00:58:35,500 --> 00:58:39,500
It's like, you know, your history and you're you're just

1154
00:58:39,500 --> 00:58:44,300
continuing this proud tradition of murdering socialites at

1155
00:58:44,300 --> 00:58:44,900
a banquet.

1156
00:58:44,900 --> 00:58:50,400
Yeah, which is like an irresistible narrative trope, you know,

1157
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:54,600
I love it almost every time and I think usually you can tell

1158
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:58,000
if a movie is using a cliche or a trope like that and sort

1159
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:01,200
of like a lazy way because they can't think of anything else

1160
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:05,500
or if it's kind of like an homage or just, you know, the

1161
00:59:05,500 --> 00:59:08,200
filmmakers love monster movies and I want to like revel in

1162
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:12,000
that fun like we do in the audience, you know, and I think

1163
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,900
it's the latter with the relic where it's supposed to be fun

1164
00:59:14,900 --> 00:59:18,100
and supposed to be kind of like, you know, a tip of the hat

1165
00:59:18,100 --> 00:59:20,500
to like classic monster movies that have come beforehand.

1166
00:59:20,500 --> 00:59:21,800
So I agree with you.

1167
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:23,300
It's not really a detriment in this case.

1168
00:59:23,300 --> 00:59:24,700
Yeah, it's fun.

1169
00:59:24,700 --> 00:59:25,700
Yeah.

1170
00:59:25,700 --> 00:59:26,600
Yeah, indeed.

1171
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:28,700
Like the end of this movie is a lot of fun for sure.

1172
00:59:28,700 --> 00:59:30,200
Aside from that though.

1173
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:32,700
I don't know if this movie has any themes like it's kind of

1174
00:59:32,700 --> 00:59:34,700
like you said proudly surface level.

1175
00:59:34,700 --> 00:59:38,000
We can talk about the form and the aesthetic very briefly.

1176
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:40,400
I also don't have too much to talk about here in this case.

1177
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,900
Yeah, but I wouldn't mind talking about this dark cinematography

1178
00:59:43,900 --> 00:59:44,600
that you noted.

1179
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:46,700
Yeah, it's super dark.

1180
00:59:46,700 --> 00:59:50,700
I mean not just like shadowy film noir lighting but like black

1181
00:59:50,700 --> 00:59:54,400
at times where like the entire screen is like what is happening.

1182
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:55,600
I can't see anybody.

1183
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:57,000
I don't know where we are.

1184
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:01,700
Like there should be some shadow some light somewhere so you

1185
01:00:01,700 --> 01:00:05,500
can kind of get your bearings, you know, which makes me think

1186
01:00:05,500 --> 01:00:07,600
that like it's not intentional.

1187
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:10,000
I feel like maybe this movie is just sort of poorly shot.

1188
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:16,300
Which, you know, it's shot by the director Peter Hyams and maybe

1189
01:00:16,300 --> 01:00:17,500
that was not the best idea.

1190
01:00:17,500 --> 01:00:20,100
Maybe he should have had an actual cinematographer in this case.

1191
01:00:20,100 --> 01:00:21,800
I agree with you.

1192
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:27,300
However, it worked for me in the fact that it often served to

1193
01:00:27,300 --> 01:00:33,200
keep the four special effects hidden, which was a strength.

1194
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:35,700
Yeah, I was looking out for that too.

1195
01:00:35,700 --> 01:00:39,200
It's like, okay, we're keeping the monster in shadow because

1196
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:41,300
the CGI looks like crap.

1197
01:00:41,300 --> 01:00:44,800
So that was good, but you're still right.

1198
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:49,200
Like too much of this was just in pure darkness.

1199
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:53,800
Yeah, but you have a good point too that it's kind of like again,

1200
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:58,100
the Jaws style where it's like, let's leave the monster off

1201
01:00:58,100 --> 01:01:00,500
screen for like 75% of the running time.

1202
01:01:00,500 --> 01:01:04,700
So when it does appear, it's like more impactful, which is kind

1203
01:01:04,700 --> 01:01:05,500
of true here.

1204
01:01:05,500 --> 01:01:10,200
But as you mentioned, the CGI, the bad CGI limits its impact a

1205
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:10,400
little bit.

1206
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:13,400
But I wanted to see more of the of the practical effects of this

1207
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:17,300
suit because I mean even trying to find pictures of this thing

1208
01:01:17,300 --> 01:01:17,600
online.

1209
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:22,800
There are no good stills that I can find because of the lighting

1210
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:23,600
situation.

1211
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:28,500
So yeah, it's kind of weird in that way for sure.

1212
01:01:28,500 --> 01:01:31,400
I mean considering all the work that they went to for these like

1213
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:33,300
extremely difficult creature effects.

1214
01:01:33,300 --> 01:01:36,300
I think we see it for maybe like less than two minutes in the

1215
01:01:36,300 --> 01:01:39,400
entire movie, you know, yeah, definitely wanted more of that

1216
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:40,700
suit that they were working with.

1217
01:01:40,700 --> 01:01:44,000
Yeah, there's like one good shot where Dr.

1218
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:48,700
Green is like she's in some kind of dark shadowy room like every

1219
01:01:48,700 --> 01:01:52,000
room is in this movie and like there's like a pane of glass and

1220
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:54,900
we suddenly see the monsters face and like reflected in the

1221
01:01:54,900 --> 01:01:55,300
glass.

1222
01:01:55,300 --> 01:01:58,600
That's probably the best creature moment in this movie.

1223
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:01,500
It definitely looks like it's a creature like a practical effect

1224
01:02:01,500 --> 01:02:03,100
there and it kind of comes out of nowhere.

1225
01:02:03,100 --> 01:02:05,000
It's a well lit and well shot.

1226
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:07,500
That's one of the few times that it's like, all right, I see

1227
01:02:07,500 --> 01:02:08,600
the creature and it looks great.

1228
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:12,000
Maybe the only time in this movie where you could say that.

1229
01:02:14,300 --> 01:02:14,900
All right.

1230
01:02:14,900 --> 01:02:19,000
So as usual on Camp Kaju, we always have our individual breakdowns

1231
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:21,800
where we talk about the good, the bad and the campy.

1232
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:24,600
Should I go first with the good or would you prefer to do so?

1233
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:26,400
I'll go first.

1234
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:27,800
Okay, the first note.

1235
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:30,700
I want to say maybe it relates to the aesthetic of the film

1236
01:02:30,700 --> 01:02:32,200
and it's at its genre.

1237
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:35,600
There were so many there were there are many parts of this

1238
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:39,900
movie that felt to me like a 70s disaster movie like the

1239
01:02:39,900 --> 01:02:45,000
towering Inferno or the Poseidon Adventure where this group of

1240
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:50,300
strangers are suddenly in a lockdown situation and they have

1241
01:02:50,300 --> 01:02:56,600
to escape through some dark tunnel or other non traditional

1242
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:59,600
ways to get out of the building and the powers out and there's

1243
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:01,000
dripping water everywhere.

1244
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:05,400
Then there's the monster which was very direct and like it was

1245
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:10,400
also very Jurassic Park to me which so many movies post

1246
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:14,800
Jurassic Park just leaned into whatever Spielberg was doing

1247
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:15,400
in that movie.

1248
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:19,600
So again, I don't fault it for that, but it was like Jurassic

1249
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:22,200
Park meets a 70s disaster movie.

1250
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:24,200
I thought this is really unique.

1251
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:25,400
It's funny.

1252
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:27,500
You mentioned that Roger Ebert said the same thing in his

1253
01:03:27,500 --> 01:03:29,600
review, which is a really good fun review.

1254
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:32,100
So check that out if you haven't read it yet any of you

1255
01:03:32,100 --> 01:03:34,400
listeners out there, but he made the same point.

1256
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:37,200
It's like a horror slash disaster movie, which is a lot of

1257
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:37,400
fun.

1258
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:40,300
Yes, I knew I'm good at this stuff.

1259
01:03:40,300 --> 01:03:42,900
Yeah, you and Ebert like you were on.

1260
01:03:42,900 --> 01:03:44,800
Yeah, you're in good company.

1261
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:46,400
What else?

1262
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:48,600
Okay.

1263
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:50,800
So yeah, I love I love the script.

1264
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:52,300
I love the premise, right?

1265
01:03:52,300 --> 01:03:54,600
It's not trying to change the world.

1266
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:58,000
But like I've said this before on the show.

1267
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:01,600
I love a monster movie that's done really well.

1268
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:03,200
It's a tight script.

1269
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:07,000
Not all the dialogue works for me, but like the structure

1270
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:07,700
and the premise.

1271
01:04:07,700 --> 01:04:09,400
It's cool.

1272
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:10,400
It works.

1273
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:11,400
It's done well.

1274
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:16,300
And I do like the design of the Cathoga and I wish we could

1275
01:04:16,300 --> 01:04:16,900
have seen it more.

1276
01:04:16,900 --> 01:04:19,400
Totally agree with everything you said for sure.

1277
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:22,600
Yeah, like there are some moments where I think the Cathoga,

1278
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:24,900
you know, I mentioned that one shot that I liked.

1279
01:04:24,900 --> 01:04:29,200
I also really like the scene where late in the movie the

1280
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:33,900
police are trying to like repel on ropes down into the museum

1281
01:04:33,900 --> 01:04:36,800
and everything goes awry almost immediately.

1282
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:40,800
Like as soon as one police officer like starts going down

1283
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:44,600
into the museum, the Cathoga just like jumps up and like like

1284
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:47,700
sucks out a type of thalamus and like bites off this guy's

1285
01:04:47,700 --> 01:04:51,000
head immediately like within like two seconds and then like

1286
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:52,700
things continue to go horribly awry.

1287
01:04:52,700 --> 01:04:56,800
The creature doesn't look all that great during that scene,

1288
01:04:56,800 --> 01:05:00,000
but just everything that's happening is like so entertaining,

1289
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,900
gory, fun, maybe not really all that scary, but just like a

1290
01:05:03,900 --> 01:05:05,400
really good fun exciting scene.

1291
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:06,300
So I love that moment.

1292
01:05:06,300 --> 01:05:07,300
Yep.

1293
01:05:07,300 --> 01:05:09,900
I agree with you about the script.

1294
01:05:09,900 --> 01:05:13,100
There is some bad dialogue for sure, but I think there is

1295
01:05:13,100 --> 01:05:17,100
some like, excuse me, unexpected moments of like personality

1296
01:05:17,100 --> 01:05:20,600
too. There are two other police characters who I actually

1297
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:21,300
really liked a lot.

1298
01:05:21,300 --> 01:05:25,000
It's a white officer and a black officer who seem like very

1299
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:29,300
good friends and they they debate coffee like in like numerous

1300
01:05:29,300 --> 01:05:30,400
scenes throughout the movie.

1301
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:32,300
They're like, oh, you got to try lattes.

1302
01:05:32,300 --> 01:05:34,500
Like that's the way to go and the other guy's like espresso,

1303
01:05:34,500 --> 01:05:37,600
man. You got to drink espresso and then like they drink coffee

1304
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:39,900
later in the movie and one of them is like this coffee is terrible.

1305
01:05:39,900 --> 01:05:43,300
Don't even drink it and I it's just like, oh, I don't know

1306
01:05:43,300 --> 01:05:45,500
why we're talking about coffee at this moment in the movie,

1307
01:05:45,500 --> 01:05:46,300
but I kind of love it.

1308
01:05:46,300 --> 01:05:48,400
So I like those moments of personality.

1309
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:52,300
I think Tom Sizemore and Penelope Ann Miller surprisingly have

1310
01:05:52,300 --> 01:05:53,400
quite a bit of chemistry.

1311
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:57,100
I like you wouldn't think so from like just knowing about those

1312
01:05:57,100 --> 01:06:00,600
two actors outside of this movie, but they play well off of

1313
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:02,900
each other and that leads to kind of like a charming ending.

1314
01:06:02,900 --> 01:06:09,500
So I liked that aspect of it and yeah, kind of like you said,

1315
01:06:09,500 --> 01:06:12,800
Vincent, like this movie seems like it loves monster movies

1316
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:17,700
and it's trying to like duplicate these tropes from like

1317
01:06:17,700 --> 01:06:21,000
the best monster movies because it loves them and like it's

1318
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:21,800
it's infectious.

1319
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:25,000
You know, we obviously love monster movies too and that makes

1320
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:26,600
for a really entertaining experience.

1321
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:28,700
That's a beautiful summation.

1322
01:06:28,700 --> 01:06:31,000
That's great.

1323
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:31,700
What do we do?

1324
01:06:31,700 --> 01:06:35,500
Yeah, I have nothing else to add in the good category.

1325
01:06:35,500 --> 01:06:38,900
Yeah, there is some bad stuff, of course.

1326
01:06:38,900 --> 01:06:42,300
And you know, we talked about the CGI.

1327
01:06:42,300 --> 01:06:45,800
It's kind of fun to see it and just like a time capsule way.

1328
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:49,500
Like this is what was seen as like top of the line special

1329
01:06:49,500 --> 01:06:50,800
effects in the late 90s.

1330
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:56,700
They do not hold up but and you know, they probably like weaken

1331
01:06:56,700 --> 01:06:59,900
the impact of the monster quite a bit, but at the same time,

1332
01:06:59,900 --> 01:07:01,900
I mean, it's kind of interesting to see them in retrospect.

1333
01:07:01,900 --> 01:07:03,200
Anything else?

1334
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:08,400
The climax is really confusing.

1335
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:12,100
I thought like, you know, we're jumping back and forth between

1336
01:07:12,100 --> 01:07:13,700
numerous different subplots.

1337
01:07:13,700 --> 01:07:17,800
Like there's one police officer who's trying to lead all the

1338
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:20,200
socialites out of the building and these like dark watery

1339
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:22,700
tunnels, but then there's also Dr.

1340
01:07:22,700 --> 01:07:26,400
Green who is being chased by the monster and the monster seems

1341
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:30,100
to be in like several different places at once like chasing

1342
01:07:30,100 --> 01:07:32,900
these people in the basement and also in the science labs.

1343
01:07:32,900 --> 01:07:37,300
It's like but also they like closed the emergency like steel

1344
01:07:37,300 --> 01:07:38,200
doors or whatever.

1345
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:41,700
So it's like how does this monster get around so much like

1346
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:43,200
it makes no sense.

1347
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:48,200
I had the same note like this monster shows up wherever it

1348
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:48,800
needs to.

1349
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:54,800
Yeah, it defies logic and normally I don't care about plot

1350
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:55,800
holes all that much.

1351
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:58,000
But in this case, it's like this makes no sense.

1352
01:07:58,000 --> 01:07:59,600
So like, where are we right now?

1353
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:01,200
You know, it's awesome.

1354
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:03,600
It's ridiculous.

1355
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:05,000
Yeah, right.

1356
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:11,400
It's yeah, my I had they're like dumb quibbles like well,

1357
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:15,600
there's a lot of like one-liners that are said like wisecracks,

1358
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:20,300
but the mood of the scene is like very somber and serious.

1359
01:08:20,300 --> 01:08:23,300
And I'm just like you wouldn't make that joke why it was just

1360
01:08:23,300 --> 01:08:26,600
very jarring in many places where it tried to be funny.

1361
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:30,000
It was like you're don't try to be funny in this movie.

1362
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:33,900
You're doing a great job already just being highly entertaining.

1363
01:08:34,500 --> 01:08:39,300
Yeah, but my big thing is also the climax and there's a twist

1364
01:08:39,300 --> 01:08:40,200
in this movie.

1365
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:46,600
And the twist is spoilers that the cathoga is not only a mutated

1366
01:08:48,300 --> 01:08:54,400
extremely fast evolutionary mutant of a lizard, but it's also

1367
01:08:56,100 --> 01:08:58,300
actually Dr.

1368
01:08:58,300 --> 01:09:02,700
Whitney who was that anthropologist in the tribal village at the

1369
01:09:02,700 --> 01:09:05,300
beginning of the movie and Dr.

1370
01:09:05,300 --> 01:09:05,700
Green.

1371
01:09:05,700 --> 01:09:10,400
She's when she makes this reveal it's like she acts like it's

1372
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:14,900
earth-shattering but for for the audience this reveal happens

1373
01:09:14,900 --> 01:09:18,300
like five minutes towards the end of the movie and we know

1374
01:09:18,300 --> 01:09:20,500
nothing about her relationship with Dr.

1375
01:09:20,500 --> 01:09:21,000
Whitney.

1376
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:22,400
We know nothing about Dr.

1377
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:26,300
Whitney and I was like, I don't care about Dr.

1378
01:09:26,300 --> 01:09:26,900
Whitney.

1379
01:09:27,100 --> 01:09:30,100
Yeah, like this should be a great twist.

1380
01:09:31,300 --> 01:09:35,200
But the movie has done the script has done no legwork to to

1381
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:36,300
plant those seeds.

1382
01:09:36,300 --> 01:09:39,600
So it's just kind of like, oh sure.

1383
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:41,500
That's a fine.

1384
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:42,300
That's fine.

1385
01:09:42,700 --> 01:09:44,500
But like, yeah, there was no payoff.

1386
01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:46,000
Yeah.

1387
01:09:46,300 --> 01:09:47,300
Yeah, totally agree.

1388
01:09:47,300 --> 01:09:50,900
It's it's confusing and like to the extent that we do understand

1389
01:09:50,900 --> 01:09:51,000
it.

1390
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:53,000
It's like, all right, why why does it matter?

1391
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:56,000
You know, like and it's weird because like there are numerous

1392
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:57,500
lines of dialogue where Dr.

1393
01:09:57,500 --> 01:09:59,100
Green is like, oh Dr.

1394
01:09:59,100 --> 01:10:01,300
Whitney, you know, like I'm not a big fan.

1395
01:10:01,300 --> 01:10:04,600
He only he only cared about his research or whatever and it's

1396
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:07,000
like that would have been a prime opportunity for you to say

1397
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:07,800
more about him.

1398
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:09,800
Like what was your relationship with him?

1399
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:11,300
Why do you dislike him so much?

1400
01:10:11,300 --> 01:10:13,400
But but the movie never goes into that.

1401
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:17,500
So we even though he is in the first two scenes of the movie,

1402
01:10:17,700 --> 01:10:19,000
we know nothing about him.

1403
01:10:19,500 --> 01:10:21,600
And yeah, that reveal does not matter at all.

1404
01:10:22,300 --> 01:10:23,100
Miss Stoppard.

1405
01:10:23,700 --> 01:10:27,300
Yeah, it is kind of a cool idea that like, you know, because

1406
01:10:27,300 --> 01:10:27,700
Dr.

1407
01:10:27,700 --> 01:10:30,900
Whitney ingested this like fungus in the in like the opening

1408
01:10:30,900 --> 01:10:33,000
scene, the like tribal ceremony or whatever.

1409
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:36,600
That's why like evolution goes awry and he like kind of

1410
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:39,800
merges with a reptile and like all this other stuff and and

1411
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:40,800
turns into this monster.

1412
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:42,100
Like that's kind of a cool idea.

1413
01:10:42,100 --> 01:10:45,100
But but again, the movie does not really capitalize on that.

1414
01:10:45,100 --> 01:10:47,400
Like it could have been way more effective than it actually

1415
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:47,700
is.

1416
01:10:47,700 --> 01:10:50,300
It's yeah, we're just talking about a different version of

1417
01:10:50,300 --> 01:10:51,000
this movie.

1418
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:52,500
Yeah, what could have been?

1419
01:10:52,500 --> 01:10:55,300
I'm happy with what we got, but I also would have been happy

1420
01:10:55,300 --> 01:10:59,400
with maybe something that that took itself more seriously,

1421
01:10:59,400 --> 01:10:59,800
I guess.

1422
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:02,900
Yeah, for lack of a better word, something that was

1423
01:11:02,900 --> 01:11:06,700
more carefully made, even if it also seems kind of like, you

1424
01:11:06,700 --> 01:11:10,800
know, modest on the surface, you know, like a Jurassic Park

1425
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:14,600
that that is this version of the relic we're talking about

1426
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:18,200
where it explores themes of evolution and science.

1427
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:21,500
So I guess we should just watch Jurassic Park.

1428
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:25,800
Yeah, that's always the takeaway pretty much like, yeah,

1429
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:29,700
if you watch a like a not great monster movie, just watch

1430
01:11:29,700 --> 01:11:30,900
Jurassic Park afterwards.

1431
01:11:30,900 --> 01:11:34,100
That's the best or you know, like Jaws, like, you know, one

1432
01:11:34,100 --> 01:11:34,900
of the classics.

1433
01:11:34,900 --> 01:11:35,200
Yeah.

1434
01:11:35,300 --> 01:11:35,600
Yeah.

1435
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:39,200
But no Jurassic Park is definitely the template and like

1436
01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:41,600
the what's the word precedent in this case.

1437
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:44,800
So it is not as good as Jurassic Park.

1438
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:45,400
Sorry to say.

1439
01:11:46,900 --> 01:11:48,800
There's a bunch of campy stuff as well.

1440
01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:50,100
Yeah, there is.

1441
01:11:50,900 --> 01:11:53,800
Do you know how many heads are lost in this movie?

1442
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:56,900
Oh man, more than 10.

1443
01:11:56,900 --> 01:11:58,500
It's in double figures for sure.

1444
01:11:58,500 --> 01:11:59,700
Yeah, I googled it.

1445
01:11:59,700 --> 01:12:04,700
So everybody the Cthulhu kills by decapitating its victims

1446
01:12:04,700 --> 01:12:09,400
and there are 12 decapitations in this movie, many of which

1447
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:12,400
you see and are very graphic and.

1448
01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:16,900
After you know, the third or fourth it started to become

1449
01:12:16,900 --> 01:12:19,800
campy like, oh, there's another head rolling around.

1450
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:21,500
Yeah, for sure.

1451
01:12:21,500 --> 01:12:24,300
Kind of like in Sleepy Hollow, the Tim Burton movie where

1452
01:12:24,300 --> 01:12:27,000
like after the fifth or sixth decapitation is like, oh yeah,

1453
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:29,100
seen that before, but it's great.

1454
01:12:29,100 --> 01:12:29,600
I love it.

1455
01:12:29,700 --> 01:12:31,100
Yeah, it was super fun.

1456
01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:31,900
Yeah.

1457
01:12:32,700 --> 01:12:36,400
And you know, like Stan Winston's practical effects, maybe

1458
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:39,400
not so great with the creature, but they're great with the

1459
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:40,400
decapitations.

1460
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:43,200
Like there are all these heads lying around that are like

1461
01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:45,400
they have like big holes in the back of the skull and

1462
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:46,000
everything.

1463
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:46,900
It looks awesome.

1464
01:12:46,900 --> 01:12:48,900
It's it's gory in the best possible way.

1465
01:12:49,300 --> 01:12:49,700
Yep.

1466
01:12:49,700 --> 01:12:50,100
Yep.

1467
01:12:50,100 --> 01:12:51,000
That's a lot of fun.

1468
01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:51,700
Yeah.

1469
01:12:53,500 --> 01:12:55,600
What I think is the campiest part of the movie happens

1470
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:56,300
pretty early on.

1471
01:12:56,300 --> 01:12:59,400
We're like the two kids that are part of like a school field

1472
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:00,500
trip to the museum.

1473
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:04,500
They like stay there after hours, like after the doors are

1474
01:13:04,500 --> 01:13:04,800
locked.

1475
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:07,500
They kind of like hide in a stairwell or whatever and those

1476
01:13:07,500 --> 01:13:12,700
two kids, they're just like, you know, they're child actors.

1477
01:13:12,700 --> 01:13:13,800
They're not great, of course.

1478
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:16,100
And like their dialogue is pretty bad.

1479
01:13:16,300 --> 01:13:18,600
There's not really any reason for them to be there because

1480
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:21,800
like they don't play a role in the narrative after that.

1481
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:25,500
So that subplot could have been cut out entirely, but it's

1482
01:13:25,500 --> 01:13:26,700
it is ridiculous.

1483
01:13:26,700 --> 01:13:29,400
And they're yeah, like those two kids are a lot of fun.

1484
01:13:29,700 --> 01:13:32,800
There's one line where one kid says to the other one, you

1485
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:34,700
goofball, you almost wet your pants.

1486
01:13:35,100 --> 01:13:38,300
And for some reason that line is like the funniest thing ever

1487
01:13:38,300 --> 01:13:38,600
to me.

1488
01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:41,600
I rewound that and listen to that like three times in a row.

1489
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:44,600
Those kids are great.

1490
01:13:44,700 --> 01:13:46,100
Yeah, you goofball.

1491
01:13:46,100 --> 01:13:48,300
You great glad we spent time with them.

1492
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:52,300
Yeah, I'm glad I cringed while they said this dialogue for

1493
01:13:52,300 --> 01:13:53,300
the for 10 minutes.

1494
01:13:53,300 --> 01:13:53,700
Yeah.

1495
01:13:53,700 --> 01:13:57,800
And also in what world are two kids left behind on their

1496
01:13:57,800 --> 01:14:01,300
field trip to just like they're there so late at the museum.

1497
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:05,700
Yeah, like terrible chaperones, whatever school they came from.

1498
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:08,900
They really need to work on that before their next field trip.

1499
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:12,600
Lucky those kids didn't get eaten by the monster, you know,

1500
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:13,500
they should have.

1501
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:14,100
Yeah.

1502
01:14:14,700 --> 01:14:15,000
Yeah.

1503
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:18,500
So a lot of fun stuff, a lot of campy stuff in the relic.

1504
01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:21,700
I think it's time for our for our ratings.

1505
01:14:21,700 --> 01:14:23,300
Do you think so as well?

1506
01:14:23,300 --> 01:14:25,000
Unless you have anything else to add?

1507
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:28,600
I have to add medulla oblongata.

1508
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:34,100
That phrase, that term was uttered in Fiend Without a Face

1509
01:14:34,100 --> 01:14:36,000
and I failed to make note of it then.

1510
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:41,200
Medulla oblongata was mentioned in the relic.

1511
01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:42,800
It is the third movie.

1512
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:44,300
I have heard that term.

1513
01:14:44,300 --> 01:14:47,100
Do you know what the first or the other movie is?

1514
01:14:48,100 --> 01:14:50,100
That you watched kind of recently?

1515
01:14:50,100 --> 01:14:51,900
No, it's from the 90s.

1516
01:14:51,900 --> 01:14:52,900
It's a comedy.

1517
01:14:52,900 --> 01:14:54,200
It stars Adam Sandler.

1518
01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:55,300
Yeah, The Waterboy.

1519
01:14:55,300 --> 01:14:58,200
Yeah, I do remember that.

1520
01:14:58,200 --> 01:14:58,900
That's it.

1521
01:14:58,900 --> 01:15:02,300
Yeah, I don't always love Adam Sandler, but The Waterboy is fun.

1522
01:15:02,300 --> 01:15:06,300
Medulla oblongata, that's all I have to say.

1523
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:11,600
And the rappellers when they go down into the museum,

1524
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:14,600
you mentioned it, but it's such an iconic moment.

1525
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:15,300
It should be.

1526
01:15:15,300 --> 01:15:17,400
It's just pure chaos.

1527
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:20,700
And this guy gets severed in half.

1528
01:15:20,700 --> 01:15:23,700
There's these poor guys.

1529
01:15:25,700 --> 01:15:26,400
They go down.

1530
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:27,600
They're so confident.

1531
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:35,000
And then this this this really terrifying monster just goes nuts

1532
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:38,200
on them and they're all screaming, pull me up, pull me up.

1533
01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:41,900
That's the best scene in the movie for sure.

1534
01:15:41,900 --> 01:15:42,700
I love it.

1535
01:15:42,700 --> 01:15:44,200
Oh my God.

1536
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:47,100
There's even a moment where they like pull a guy back up out

1537
01:15:47,100 --> 01:15:50,300
of the museum on a rope and he of course when they pull him up,

1538
01:15:50,300 --> 01:15:53,900
they realize that he's been cut in half or like eaten, bitten in half

1539
01:15:53,900 --> 01:15:58,300
basically and the guy that pulls him up like literally kneels down

1540
01:15:58,300 --> 01:16:04,900
and like looks up towards the skies and he's like, no, it's such a

1541
01:16:04,900 --> 01:16:07,200
such a great cliched silly moment.

1542
01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:08,500
I love it so much.

1543
01:16:08,500 --> 01:16:10,800
I love that scene.

1544
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:13,800
I want to watch it again.

1545
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:14,600
I'm sorry, man.

1546
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:19,900
You're right that guy on his knees who goes no, it was this he didn't

1547
01:16:19,900 --> 01:16:21,100
have a director at that moment.

1548
01:16:21,100 --> 01:16:26,600
He just did what he saw in other movies in other bad movies and

1549
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:29,100
it's just so amazing.

1550
01:16:29,100 --> 01:16:32,200
It'd be like Tommy was out like that's what he would do in that moment.

1551
01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:35,500
Yeah, you're tearing me apart.

1552
01:16:35,500 --> 01:16:37,100
Literally.

1553
01:16:37,100 --> 01:16:38,800
Yeah, right.

1554
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:41,100
I didn't even think about that.

1555
01:16:41,100 --> 01:16:43,900
Yeah, totally.

1556
01:16:43,900 --> 01:16:47,000
And then like, you know, the director Peter Himes was like, oh, that's

1557
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:47,300
great.

1558
01:16:47,300 --> 01:16:48,100
Let's keep it in there.

1559
01:16:48,100 --> 01:16:48,500
Print it.

1560
01:16:48,500 --> 01:16:49,600
That's gold.

1561
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:52,300
There.

1562
01:16:52,300 --> 01:16:57,100
Yeah, that whole scene is like just a what's the word I'm looking for?

1563
01:16:57,100 --> 01:17:03,300
A bottle rocket of like great campy moments, you know, I love it.

1564
01:17:03,300 --> 01:17:05,700
I'm in tears everybody.

1565
01:17:05,700 --> 01:17:06,800
I'm at tears.

1566
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:07,600
All right.

1567
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:08,100
Yeah.

1568
01:17:08,100 --> 01:17:09,700
So my final rating.

1569
01:17:09,700 --> 01:17:15,300
You know, honestly, there are antiquated moments.

1570
01:17:15,300 --> 01:17:18,900
There are some poorly lit moments.

1571
01:17:18,900 --> 01:17:25,300
Some some poor 90s CGI, but I think it holds up.

1572
01:17:25,300 --> 01:17:26,900
I think it stands the test of time.

1573
01:17:26,900 --> 01:17:31,200
It may not be an overall classic, but I think it's a classic and underrated

1574
01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:35,300
classic at least of 90s monster movies.

1575
01:17:35,300 --> 01:17:37,400
I mean, forget Independence Day.

1576
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:40,500
The relic is what you want to check out.

1577
01:17:40,500 --> 01:17:42,800
I love that review.

1578
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:43,500
That's great.

1579
01:17:43,500 --> 01:17:46,500
Yeah, I totally agree.

1580
01:17:46,500 --> 01:17:54,900
I mean antiquated moments for sure bad CGI, but I you know, I really enjoy

1581
01:17:54,900 --> 01:17:55,100
it.

1582
01:17:55,100 --> 01:17:56,900
I this movie so entertaining.

1583
01:17:56,900 --> 01:17:58,300
It's really fun.

1584
01:17:58,300 --> 01:18:03,000
I think my favorite thing about it is that it's like a classic creature

1585
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:04,600
feature updated for the 90s.

1586
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:10,500
You know, it like again pays homage to them and like King Kong jaws, of

1587
01:18:10,500 --> 01:18:13,600
course, Jurassic Park, which is not, you know, was only a couple years

1588
01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:19,900
before the relic but it's yeah, like I love that sense of like love for

1589
01:18:19,900 --> 01:18:23,600
cinema and love for monster movies and it comes through in the relic and

1590
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:28,300
even though the late 90s weren't that long ago, it still feels like a

1591
01:18:28,300 --> 01:18:31,900
totally different time and it's fun to revisit it in the relic.

1592
01:18:31,900 --> 01:18:35,500
So so yeah, for me, it's it's not a timeless classic, but it does stand

1593
01:18:35,500 --> 01:18:36,600
the test of time for sure.

1594
01:18:36,600 --> 01:18:42,400
Are there any sequels to this in literary form?

1595
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:46,200
There were there was like a whole series of books that followed like

1596
01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:49,600
they're like the second one was called the reliquary and like had some

1597
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:52,900
of the same characters in that book, but movie wise there were no

1598
01:18:52,900 --> 01:18:53,400
sequels.

1599
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:55,000
That's too bad.

1600
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:59,700
I just feel like there are there are worse movies that got direct to

1601
01:18:59,700 --> 01:19:04,200
direct to video sequels and I'm like the relic there needs to be a

1602
01:19:04,200 --> 01:19:07,300
relic to yeah, I agree.

1603
01:19:07,300 --> 01:19:10,900
I mean, it's not too late, you know, let's write that script.

1604
01:19:10,900 --> 01:19:11,500
We can do it.

1605
01:19:11,500 --> 01:19:16,800
Now is the time it probably like 20 people across the face the plan.

1606
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:18,000
It would be like, oh yeah, the relic.

1607
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:18,800
I remember that movie.

1608
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:21,600
Everybody else would be like, why what is this movie?

1609
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:22,800
Why are you making a sequel to this?

1610
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:24,600
It's set in a museum.

1611
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:25,000
What?

1612
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:27,500
Yeah, that Ben Stiller movie, right?

1613
01:19:27,500 --> 01:19:32,900
Anyway, the the relic a lot of fun.

1614
01:19:32,900 --> 01:19:33,600
Check it out.

1615
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:39,000
If you haven't seen it yet, you know, late 90s monster movies just a

1616
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:39,700
blast from the past.

1617
01:19:39,700 --> 01:19:40,100
That's great.

1618
01:19:40,100 --> 01:19:43,700
So yeah, next time we're going to be talking about an actual classic

1619
01:19:43,700 --> 01:19:46,100
Universal Horror monster movie, the Wolfman.

1620
01:19:46,100 --> 01:19:49,000
So stay tuned for that.

1621
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:52,600
We'll also reveal our trivia winner on that episode.

1622
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:55,700
So the Wolfman coming out coming out soon.

1623
01:19:55,700 --> 01:19:59,400
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1624
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:01,800
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1625
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:04,400
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01:20:37,500 --> 01:20:39,600
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1644
01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:07,200
Seven decapitations in one week.

1645
01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:10,800
Don't you just hate someone who only takes head and never gives it?

1646
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:11,900
You're bad, Nutella.

1647
01:21:11,900 --> 01:21:12,600
Real bad.

1648
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:16,800
Autopsy attended by Lieutenant Vincent de Costa, Chicago homicide.

1649
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:24,000
We have an African American male, probably age 55 to 60, height 5'4",

1650
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:30,200
with his head maybe 6'1", weight 160, give or take, if you know what I mean.

1651
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:34,600
The sternal process has been split and the rib cage exposed.

1652
01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:36,400
Now for the head.

1653
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:41,400
The head is decapitated between the axial process and the atlas.

1654
01:21:41,400 --> 01:21:46,400
The entire occipital portion of the calvarium and half the parietal

1655
01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:51,200
process has been crushed or rather seemingly punched through and removed,

1656
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:54,600
leaving a hole perhaps 5 inches in diameter.

1657
01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:56,600
The skull is empty.

1658
01:21:56,600 --> 01:22:01,800
The entire brain appears to have fallen out or been extracted through this hole.

1659
01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:06,800
The brain is severely traumatized and appears to have been severed at the medulla oblongata.

1660
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:08,200
That is correct.

1661
01:22:08,200 --> 01:22:10,400
The medulla oblongata.

1662
01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:11,200
Mom, what's that?

1663
01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:17,200
Medulla oblongata.