1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,880 All righty. Hello, everybody. 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:08,680 Hey, friends, it is Vincent here from Camp Kaiju Monster Movie podcast. 3 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:13,080 And this is Patrick from Gaze Do the D podcast. 4 00:00:13,580 --> 00:00:18,860 And we are here for another crossover episode of Magic and Monsters, 5 00:00:18,860 --> 00:00:21,620 where we explore the wonderful world of creature features. 6 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,620 And not just any creature features, those dark films 7 00:00:25,620 --> 00:00:29,900 that came out of the House of Mouse, the ones that make you say, wait, wait, wait, 8 00:00:29,900 --> 00:00:34,340 wait, wait, wait, that is a Disney movie and not only a Disney movie, 9 00:00:34,540 --> 00:00:38,840 maybe even a superhero movie today, we're talking about Morbius. 10 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:41,780 It is Morbin time, everybody. 11 00:00:43,020 --> 00:00:45,320 Weedles and Kaiju campers. 12 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:46,880 Here we go. 13 00:00:46,880 --> 00:01:14,040 Well, come to this happy place. Perfect. 14 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:16,680 Nailed it. You know, it's our second 15 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,220 installment here, Magic and Monsters. 16 00:01:19,220 --> 00:01:23,820 Roger Rabbit was so much fun to talk about. Patrick, feel free to disagree with me. 17 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:25,960 But I had a lot of fun. 18 00:01:25,960 --> 00:01:27,320 I can't I can't disagree with you. 19 00:01:27,320 --> 00:01:29,920 I you know, I love that movie so much. 20 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:34,360 And our listeners can know that because it was like a four hour episode 21 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:37,340 because we couldn't stop talking about Roger Rabbit. 22 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,140 And that's OK. 23 00:01:42,140 --> 00:01:43,740 It is OK. Today. 24 00:01:43,740 --> 00:01:48,380 This week's episode will be shorter, not because 25 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:53,020 I mean, we could talk for hours and hours about anything. True. True. 26 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,880 But is Morbius the same hat? 27 00:01:55,880 --> 00:02:00,620 Does it have the same depth and richness as who framed Roger Rabbit? 28 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,860 Debatable. Is that heading on? 29 00:02:07,460 --> 00:02:10,060 Sorry, I'm I'm cutting to the end already. 30 00:02:10,060 --> 00:02:15,400 It's not it's not as rich or as deep as I'm trying to be very nice. 31 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:16,580 This is going to be a theme for me. 32 00:02:16,580 --> 00:02:20,280 I'm going to be very nice to this film. Great. Very generous. 33 00:02:21,340 --> 00:02:24,340 Because I think it's easy to rip apart. 34 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,120 But as we say on Camp Kaiju, 35 00:02:28,380 --> 00:02:33,620 we review the good, the bad and the campy and all strange beasts are welcome. 36 00:02:33,660 --> 00:02:38,260 So that's right. Morbius, you know, if his parents sign them up for camp 37 00:02:38,260 --> 00:02:42,300 this summer, we're not going to turn them away just for being a bad movie. 38 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:44,600 We're going to say, come on in. Welcome. 39 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:50,240 There's a game of of monopoly happening over there. 40 00:02:50,640 --> 00:02:53,940 And the other vampires are over there. That's right. 41 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:59,320 Morbius might be sitting by himself at a table at this camp, 42 00:03:00,920 --> 00:03:03,480 but he is welcome nonetheless. You're right. 43 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:07,160 So what's up with you in in Disneyland? 44 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,860 I meant that that's actually no pun intended. 45 00:03:09,860 --> 00:03:15,040 I meant Disney Space Land for you in your life. 46 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:16,500 How's the podcast going? 47 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:21,840 Thanks so much for asking. Let's see. When last we met, what has been going on? 48 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:27,320 I've been to Disneyland Paris this past summer, which was a blast. 49 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:31,760 Highly recommend the overseas parks are just awesome. 50 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,820 They're not to be missed, not to be slept on. Let's see. What else? 51 00:03:35,820 --> 00:03:39,400 I just did. I have to toot your own horn for you, Vincent. 52 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:44,860 I just did a reading of your show Wolf's Blood at Lake Shore 53 00:03:44,860 --> 00:03:48,040 Players Theater had a blast. Love the script. 54 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,200 Hopefully there's more to come out of the show. 55 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:53,080 Yeah. Well, thanks for tootin' my horn. 56 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:55,640 You're welcome. I'll toot yours. 57 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,640 I listened to your holes episode of Gaze Do the G. 58 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:03,320 Not a monster movie, but a really fun movie, I think, that 59 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,660 has a lot under the surface, too. 60 00:04:06,660 --> 00:04:11,500 So for Camp Kaiju listeners, you know, Patrick and his co-hosts 61 00:04:11,500 --> 00:04:13,800 do review movies occasionally. 62 00:04:14,340 --> 00:04:19,240 And those are always really insightful, good conversations that I would recommend. 63 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:21,140 Thanks. Thank you, sir. 64 00:04:21,140 --> 00:04:23,880 What's what's going on with you over at Camp Kaiju? 65 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:25,820 What's exciting? What's going on? What's what's coming up? 66 00:04:26,220 --> 00:04:27,480 What should we not miss? 67 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:31,320 Well, speaking of wolves, last week's episode 68 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:35,520 was on Universal's The Wolf Man from 1941. 69 00:04:35,860 --> 00:04:38,140 Yes. Matt and I dig into that. 70 00:04:38,300 --> 00:04:43,900 And this coming month, we have a really strange movie called God Told Me To, 71 00:04:44,500 --> 00:04:47,780 which is like a religious cult film from the 70s. 72 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:50,480 Supernatural stuff going on. 73 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:51,940 And then Godzilla minus one. 74 00:04:51,940 --> 00:04:56,120 So we will we're going to have a lot of fun talking about the big G. 75 00:04:56,620 --> 00:04:58,520 Not in not too long. Yeah. 76 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:01,460 Amazing. Man, The Wolf Man, such a great movie. 77 00:05:01,460 --> 00:05:04,560 Are you excited for the the remake that's coming out? 78 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:07,900 I am intrigued. 79 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,100 I would say that I I'm here for it. 80 00:05:12,100 --> 00:05:13,200 I'm going to watch it. 81 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:16,840 Yeah, I don't expect it to be necessarily a good movie. 82 00:05:17,180 --> 00:05:20,640 It's from the same director as The Invisible Man. Right. 83 00:05:20,740 --> 00:05:26,880 Yeah. So yeah, that movie, I do think deserves its critical acclaim. 84 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:32,320 So I'm like, OK, maybe hopefully The Wolf Man is at that level. 85 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,960 It appears to like the previews that I've seen, it looks like it's going to be 86 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:42,460 sort of that kind of that same genre of taking, you know, classic horror 87 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:47,060 story and turning it into more of a psychological thriller instead. 88 00:05:47,060 --> 00:05:51,300 So I'm interested to see where they go with this one for The Wolf Man. 89 00:05:51,300 --> 00:05:56,260 Same. And that comes out in January. 90 00:05:56,260 --> 00:05:59,840 Shifting gears, getting back to vampires a little bit. 91 00:05:59,840 --> 00:06:04,180 Yeah. How about the new Nosferatu? 92 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:06,940 Oh, that's right. I forgot that that. 93 00:06:06,940 --> 00:06:08,440 Yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure. 94 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,380 Nosferatu classic. Another classic movie. 95 00:06:11,820 --> 00:06:12,720 Really creepy. 96 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:14,880 Already one of the creepiest movies in the world. 97 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,060 So I'm interested to see what they do with this one as well. 98 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:19,120 Yeah, that's from Robert Eggers. 99 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:24,120 Did The Witch, The Lighthouse and it comes out Christmas Day. 100 00:06:24,820 --> 00:06:27,460 Amazing. So really, I really feel good. 101 00:06:27,460 --> 00:06:29,760 Holiday movie is Nosferatu. 102 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:33,260 And then wait for New Year's Eve, you can go watch The Wolf Man. 103 00:06:33,540 --> 00:06:36,240 What? What's happening right now? 104 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:41,880 Maybe we'll have a we'll we'll be able to get to the movie theaters for that one. 105 00:06:42,140 --> 00:06:44,080 Yeah, I think we have to. 106 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:45,540 There are Christmas mornings. 107 00:06:45,540 --> 00:06:50,020 That's right. 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Let's see. 134 00:08:15,740 --> 00:08:18,180 So everybody listening, here's what we're going to do. 135 00:08:18,340 --> 00:08:22,080 We are going to run through why we chose Morbius, 136 00:08:22,540 --> 00:08:26,520 our own histories with this film, and maybe we'll get into 137 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,020 the larger MCU and what Sony's doing. 138 00:08:30,420 --> 00:08:34,480 We're also going to going to talk about Supernatural, 139 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,680 the supernatural legacy of Marvel and the comics. 140 00:08:37,680 --> 00:08:40,260 We'll get into the comic history of Morbius. 141 00:08:40,860 --> 00:08:43,060 And then we will talk about this movie specifically, 142 00:08:43,060 --> 00:08:45,700 its production, its release and its reception. 143 00:08:46,660 --> 00:08:48,400 We have a quiz show lined up. 144 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:54,500 And I this is my redemption tour here because 145 00:08:55,900 --> 00:08:59,640 I went too easy on Patrick with the Roger Rabbit quiz. 146 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,280 I may have gone a little too difficult on that one as well. 147 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:08,520 So I yeah, the tables are likely going to turn today. 148 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:12,280 I hope so. If not, I am. 149 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:15,960 I got I got a regroup here. 150 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,000 And then and then we'll talk about our personal reviews 151 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,300 of this film, how we felt watching it, 152 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,560 if we're still thinking about it, those sorts of things. 153 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:28,100 I like it. I like it. 154 00:09:28,100 --> 00:09:29,840 Should we get into it? Let's do it. 155 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:34,540 Let's do it. So why why Morbius? 156 00:09:35,940 --> 00:09:37,820 It's a big question. 157 00:09:37,820 --> 00:09:40,280 What are your thoughts, Patrick? 158 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:43,280 Well, to be quite honest, a little behind the curtain here, 159 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:47,220 we didn't actually choose Morbius in the first place for this episode. 160 00:09:47,260 --> 00:09:48,720 Morbius chose us. 161 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:52,160 Morbius did seek us out after two failed attempts 162 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:55,760 at trying to watch other movies that no longer exist anywhere in the world. 163 00:09:55,760 --> 00:10:00,660 So unless we want to like buy them on eBay and watch them on VHS or something, 164 00:10:00,660 --> 00:10:03,040 we'd have to pay dollars for 80 dollars. 165 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:03,700 It's ridiculous. 166 00:10:03,700 --> 00:10:06,740 So we were going to try to watch Watcher in the Woods. Right. 167 00:10:06,740 --> 00:10:09,380 And then we realized very quickly that that doesn't exist anymore. 168 00:10:09,500 --> 00:10:12,380 The TV show still exists, but it's not the same as the movie. 169 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:13,980 So we skipped that one. 170 00:10:13,980 --> 00:10:17,240 And then we were going to try to watch something wicked this way comes. 171 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:20,480 But that's also not available anywhere, which is a shame, 172 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:24,480 because they're both wonderful, wonderful movies that deserve to be seen again. 173 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,740 Only I only know that through reputation, through reputation. 174 00:10:27,980 --> 00:10:31,880 Yeah. So Watcher in the Woods, I wanted to watch. 175 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:35,760 It's from 1979, stars Betty Davis. 176 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,020 I was right. Yeah. And it's a ghost story. 177 00:10:38,020 --> 00:10:40,020 It's a teen ghost story. 178 00:10:40,020 --> 00:10:43,500 And it has been called the scariest Disney movie of all time. 179 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,460 It's creepy. That's for sure. 180 00:10:46,460 --> 00:10:48,960 But for whatever reason, 181 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:55,080 I guess Disney hasn't got the memo that horror is the most popular genre. 182 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:56,740 Disney's buried this movie. 183 00:10:56,740 --> 00:10:58,680 They did. They absolutely did. 184 00:10:58,680 --> 00:11:00,080 DVDs are out of print. 185 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,380 So you can find them on Amazon again for way too much money. 186 00:11:04,340 --> 00:11:06,520 It's not streaming anywhere. 187 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:07,760 It's a real bummer. 188 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:12,060 Yeah, I want I would love to dig into why this is, but there's just it's just gone. 189 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:16,260 Like, there's no real discussion out there around why they chose to get rid of it. 190 00:11:16,260 --> 00:11:19,460 So I'm curious if anyone else knows that there's a story behind it. 191 00:11:19,460 --> 00:11:21,560 I would love to know. 192 00:11:21,560 --> 00:11:25,740 So anyways, all that being said, we then pivoted because we did want to do a Halloween 193 00:11:25,740 --> 00:11:32,000 episode and bring out kind of a creepier movie in the in the Disney realm. 194 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:36,040 And so we went with a vampire and that would be Morbius. 195 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,580 So we kind of landed on this by default. 196 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:42,720 We wanted to watch it anyways, but it wasn't our first choice. 197 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:46,660 But it was a good choice because I have a lot of opinions about this movie. 198 00:11:46,660 --> 00:11:48,660 So I'm excited to talk to you about it. 199 00:11:48,660 --> 00:11:51,100 Same. And I got a shout out. 200 00:11:51,100 --> 00:11:53,660 Camp Kaiju's friend and our mutual friend, Avery. 201 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,440 Mm hmm. At a summer barbecue. 202 00:11:57,540 --> 00:12:04,600 Not too long ago, she she very adamantly requested Camp Kaiju do Morbius. 203 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:09,180 Interesting. I was really like, I, you know, I'm not going to rule it out. 204 00:12:09,180 --> 00:12:11,820 But here's the deal. I'm going to share with you, Patrick and everyone else. 205 00:12:11,820 --> 00:12:15,200 Yeah. Like Camp Kaiju, we stay away from. 206 00:12:16,140 --> 00:12:21,640 Marvel movies, superhero movies, the same as we do like Lord of the Rings or Star Wars. 207 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,840 Like, are there monsters in these worlds? 208 00:12:24,900 --> 00:12:30,780 Yes. But they're not exactly strange to these worlds, if that makes sense. 209 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:32,980 Yeah. And it's just like, I don't know. 210 00:12:32,980 --> 00:12:35,780 That's not like a monster movie when you think of a monster movie. 211 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:39,780 Totally. I get that. It's it's Marvel is its own realm. 212 00:12:39,780 --> 00:12:44,220 I feel like it's not necessarily a horror genre, though you could classify 213 00:12:44,220 --> 00:12:47,780 Morbius as a horror movie within the Marvel 214 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,880 cinematic universe and the Marvel comic universe as well. 215 00:12:51,420 --> 00:12:53,060 So this one does stand out. 216 00:12:53,060 --> 00:12:55,560 I think you and I were talking about this already off camera. 217 00:12:56,120 --> 00:13:01,160 It does stand out just a little bit from the main Marvel world. 218 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:05,000 And I feel like that's a little bit because it's also a Sony movie as well. 219 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,100 So it's not necessarily just a Disney movie. 220 00:13:07,100 --> 00:13:10,080 Sony actually really produced this movie 221 00:13:10,680 --> 00:13:14,840 and they lean a little heavier into that into that genre than Disney does. 222 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:18,020 So it makes sense. Yeah. And. 223 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,280 And and what what 224 00:13:22,380 --> 00:13:25,720 Morbius feels different to me, and this is why I'm like, 225 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:29,960 yeah, I can make an exception in my almighty power that 226 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:36,560 I'm. Morbius lives more in the world of Blade 227 00:13:37,100 --> 00:13:41,800 the vampire hunter, which have you seen those movies from the 228 00:13:42,140 --> 00:13:43,600 the Wesley Sly films? 229 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,480 Absolutely. Love them. Yeah. 230 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:50,540 Those movies were among the earliest Marvel movies. 231 00:13:50,780 --> 00:13:54,080 And like they predate the X-Men franchise. 232 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,620 And the first Blade movie was hugely popular. 233 00:13:57,620 --> 00:14:00,320 And I remember watching that I had an idea. 234 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,580 I had no idea Blade was even a superhero. Right. 235 00:14:03,620 --> 00:14:08,260 Those movies aren't made like with that aesthetic we're used to today. 236 00:14:09,900 --> 00:14:14,600 So with I think we would absolutely talk about Blade on Camp Kaiju. 237 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:16,940 We haven't yet, but 100 percent. 238 00:14:16,940 --> 00:14:19,260 So by that extension, 239 00:14:19,260 --> 00:14:21,340 you know, Morbius doesn't have it that world. 240 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:24,880 I was like, yeah, OK. Yeah. 241 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:29,480 I mean, we may not do Venom on Camp Kaiju, but we would do Morbius. 242 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:30,820 That's fair. That's fair. 243 00:14:30,820 --> 00:14:34,780 And this and speaking of world like, yeah, just nerding out just a scotch 244 00:14:34,780 --> 00:14:39,960 is is that the Blade movies, they were, as you said, created a while ago 245 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:43,720 before Disney had acquired Marvel and before Marvel had created 246 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:45,160 the Marvel Cinematic Universe. 247 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:49,060 And so they live outside of what you consider 248 00:14:49,060 --> 00:14:51,700 currently the Marvel Cinematic Universe, although you could argue 249 00:14:51,700 --> 00:14:55,800 that's different now because of Deadpool and Wolverine, 250 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:59,100 he does make an appearance there, which is we'll get into that 251 00:14:59,100 --> 00:15:00,780 maybe a little bit later. 252 00:15:00,780 --> 00:15:04,380 But so this whole world of Venom and Morbius, 253 00:15:04,380 --> 00:15:08,680 and you could argue even Spider-Man a little bit, lives in a different universe. 254 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:13,620 So I can see that this would actually fit quite nicely into Camp Kaiju 255 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,200 and Gaze Do The De. Right. 256 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:20,460 So can you talk a little bit more about your history of this film 257 00:15:20,460 --> 00:15:25,800 and Marvel as a whole from a Disney point of view? 258 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:28,100 Sure. Yeah. Yeah. 259 00:15:28,100 --> 00:15:31,300 I think the reason that we don't talk about this movie necessarily 260 00:15:31,300 --> 00:15:35,240 on the Gaze Do The De podcast is because, yes, it is a Disney movie, 261 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,220 but only in that because Disney owns Marvel. 262 00:15:38,220 --> 00:15:42,920 Like Disney didn't really hype this movie up on their platforms necessarily. 263 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:44,760 It does live on Disney Plus. 264 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:48,120 But that's only because, you know, they still want the dollars, I guess, 265 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,960 from it, because it is actually a pretty popular movie, 266 00:15:51,260 --> 00:15:54,960 albeit not widely, I don't know, wrecked, critically acclaimed. 267 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,960 It's not a critically acclaimed movie. 268 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,880 I myself personally am a huge fan of the Marvel world, 269 00:16:02,100 --> 00:16:04,200 the whole Marvel cinematic universe. 270 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:07,940 And I even like this side of the Marvel world to this little bit of a darker side. 271 00:16:08,140 --> 00:16:10,940 I'm a huge fan, actually, of the Venom movies. 272 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:12,880 I really, really enjoyed those movies. 273 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,820 I think that they sort of hit the nail on the head 274 00:16:15,820 --> 00:16:18,820 with those movies from a Sony perspective, 275 00:16:18,820 --> 00:16:22,240 because they also got that a little bit of the Disney voice in there, too, 276 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:26,140 that just sort of clever silliness that Venom is. 277 00:16:26,140 --> 00:16:30,940 And then the Spider-Man sort of homecoming universe, a huge fan of. 278 00:16:30,940 --> 00:16:32,940 I think those movies are just pitch perfect. 279 00:16:32,940 --> 00:16:34,940 They're absolutely incredible. 280 00:16:34,940 --> 00:16:38,940 But they lean a lot more heavily into the Disney side of Marvel as well. 281 00:16:38,940 --> 00:16:40,940 And so that's part of why that is, too. 282 00:16:40,940 --> 00:16:42,940 Legal reasons. Sony owns it. 283 00:16:42,940 --> 00:16:43,940 Disney doesn't own it. 284 00:16:43,940 --> 00:16:46,940 But they do have a stake in it. Anyways. 285 00:16:47,940 --> 00:16:50,940 And then there's the Morbius world as well. 286 00:16:50,940 --> 00:16:54,940 And it's just, I don't know. 287 00:16:55,940 --> 00:16:59,940 It's not my favorite movie, but I'm interested to talk about it. 288 00:16:59,940 --> 00:17:04,940 But I love this world, but I feel like they missed the mark on this one 289 00:17:04,940 --> 00:17:09,940 in inviting Morbius into this side of the Marvel world, if that makes sense. 290 00:17:09,940 --> 00:17:11,940 They didn't go very far. 291 00:17:11,940 --> 00:17:13,940 They almost tried to make it its own movie. 292 00:17:13,940 --> 00:17:18,940 And so it feels very far away from the Disney universe. 293 00:17:18,940 --> 00:17:23,940 And that's why I think a lot of people forget that it even exists in the Disney world. 294 00:17:23,940 --> 00:17:24,940 Does that make sense? 295 00:17:24,940 --> 00:17:31,940 It's kind of a long, roundabout way of saying, I don't know if it fits necessarily in the Disney world, in the Disney canon. 296 00:17:31,940 --> 00:17:33,940 Right. Well, technically it may exist. 297 00:17:33,940 --> 00:17:37,940 This character in this movie exists in the MCU. 298 00:17:37,940 --> 00:17:38,940 Yeah. 299 00:17:38,940 --> 00:17:40,940 You almost feel like it doesn't. 300 00:17:40,940 --> 00:17:42,940 Yeah, I don't. Yeah, it's yeah. 301 00:17:42,940 --> 00:17:46,940 It's like a distant, distant cousin, I feel like. 302 00:17:46,940 --> 00:17:50,940 But didn't quite get on the invite list to the wedding or something. 303 00:17:50,940 --> 00:17:53,940 You know what I mean? Like, they're just not quite there. 304 00:17:53,940 --> 00:17:56,940 Now, admittedly, I have not seen the Venom movies. 305 00:17:56,940 --> 00:18:00,940 I have not seen Madame Web. 306 00:18:00,940 --> 00:18:04,940 These other Sony projects. 307 00:18:04,940 --> 00:18:06,940 I'm not interested in Craven the Hunter. 308 00:18:06,940 --> 00:18:09,940 Here's the deal. Yeah. 309 00:18:09,940 --> 00:18:11,940 I you and I talk about this a lot. 310 00:18:11,940 --> 00:18:14,940 But for listeners. 311 00:18:14,940 --> 00:18:23,940 Like I grew up in Marvel, not like I am currently looking at several reference books on Marvel characters on my desk. 312 00:18:23,940 --> 00:18:25,940 I have so many comic books. 313 00:18:25,940 --> 00:18:29,940 And up until Infinity War, I watched all those movies. 314 00:18:29,940 --> 00:18:32,940 Yeah. Right. When they came out, I love the interconnectedness. 315 00:18:32,940 --> 00:18:43,940 I love this idea of emulating what the comics do so well that you can have Black Panther show up in a Thor movie, which may or may not have happened. 316 00:18:43,940 --> 00:18:46,940 But in the comics that happened all the time. Yeah. 317 00:18:46,940 --> 00:18:52,940 But then since that film, I just kind of fell off. 318 00:18:52,940 --> 00:19:00,940 For me, I couldn't keep up with all the output that Disney was was creating with the TV shows and like everything was so connected. 319 00:19:00,940 --> 00:19:05,940 Yeah. That I was a little intimidated by the mass. 320 00:19:05,940 --> 00:19:08,940 It was critical mass. I was like, I can't I can't do this anymore. 321 00:19:08,940 --> 00:19:12,940 It's a lot. Yeah. It's a lot. 322 00:19:12,940 --> 00:19:18,940 So I love comic books. I love Spider-Man more than anything. 323 00:19:18,940 --> 00:19:24,940 That doesn't necessarily. Shed over into the movies. 324 00:19:24,940 --> 00:19:27,940 So back to my original point. Yeah. 325 00:19:27,940 --> 00:19:32,940 Sony makes these Venom movies more obvious. There's a Craven the Hunter movie coming out. 326 00:19:32,940 --> 00:19:38,940 The Andrew Garfield Sony pictures. I wasn't I didn't enjoy those as much as the Sam Raimi one. 327 00:19:38,940 --> 00:19:46,940 So especially with Sony, there's a vibe. There's an aesthetic there that I've never really been a fan of. 328 00:19:46,940 --> 00:19:52,940 I totally get that. I totally get they they they they knock it out of the park a lot with specifically with the Spider-Man movies. 329 00:19:52,940 --> 00:19:58,940 I think with the Venom movies, they get on base with it at least. They don't necessarily hit it out of the park. 330 00:19:58,940 --> 00:20:04,940 But then for me, anyways, specifically, Madam Web and a little bit more obvious, it's like they didn't even show up to the ballpark. 331 00:20:04,940 --> 00:20:08,940 They just sort of did their own thing. Like, I don't know. 332 00:20:08,940 --> 00:20:15,940 I'm trying to I'm beating this metaphor to death. But great base. 333 00:20:15,940 --> 00:20:19,940 So, yeah, I totally get it. It's sort of like DC for me. 334 00:20:19,940 --> 00:20:26,940 I love the DC comics, but the DC movies, there's been maybe one or two that I've been a fan of the rest of them. 335 00:20:26,940 --> 00:20:29,940 It's just an aesthetic thing that I did. I just cannot latch on to. 336 00:20:29,940 --> 00:20:36,940 There's something that's just they just don't quite get like a human interest involved enough or something. 337 00:20:36,940 --> 00:20:41,940 I don't know what there's a disconnect for me with them. And that's I think what I have sometimes with Sony as well. 338 00:20:41,940 --> 00:20:45,940 There's just a little bit of a disconnect. That's a good way to put it. 339 00:20:45,940 --> 00:20:57,940 But anyways, towards the end of this episode, how that disconnect happens in Morbius, I would love to hear more specifics because I can I can point to things to with the script. 340 00:20:57,940 --> 00:21:02,940 Yeah, direction. Yeah. Well, so. 341 00:21:02,940 --> 00:21:06,940 So, OK, so we're talking about talked about Blade a little bit. 342 00:21:06,940 --> 00:21:15,940 The darker side of Marvel Comics and like you, I love that darker side. 343 00:21:15,940 --> 00:21:22,940 Marvel and, you know, people ask, you know, you when you ask people about comic books, you instantly think about superheroes. 344 00:21:22,940 --> 00:21:30,940 But comic books have a long history in horror stories and the macabre and the supernatural. 345 00:21:30,940 --> 00:21:43,940 I'm getting off a little bit of tangent here, but in the 1950s, there was a huge pushback against the comics industry from parents and religious interests. 346 00:21:43,940 --> 00:21:58,940 And there's like a huge like congressional hearings about censorship in comic books and whether or not these are appropriate for children, because a lot of these comics at the time in the 50s, the most popular genre was horror. 347 00:21:58,940 --> 00:22:11,940 And the artwork, I think, is gorgeous, but they depict like flesh melting off of bones and cannibalism and yeah, it's member mints, which, you know, could be you could. 348 00:22:11,940 --> 00:22:18,940 What is what is what is child appropriate? That is just the question they were debating at the time. Yeah. 349 00:22:18,940 --> 00:22:34,940 The very conservative America that it was a good example of that is sort of the Tales from the Crypt comic series. If you want, if you want some imagery that you're talking about, I think anyways, was where you're going with some of that is like, just look up some of those images. 350 00:22:34,940 --> 00:22:41,940 And that's exactly what what they were bucking against, I guess, because they were quite macabre for sure for kids. 351 00:22:41,940 --> 00:22:44,940 Yeah, I think Tales of the Crypt started in the 50s. It did. Yeah. 352 00:22:44,940 --> 00:22:48,940 Nineteen and 1950, I think. There you go. 353 00:22:48,940 --> 00:23:01,940 You know Mars Attacks, the movie? I do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Do you know that was based on a series of trading cards? Oh, you know what? That sounds familiar, but I wouldn't have like known that off top my head. That's interesting. Yeah. Yeah. 354 00:23:01,940 --> 00:23:19,940 I was just doing a Tim Burton dive and that led me down Mars Attacks to the trading cards, which were from the 1960s. The same thing like Tops, the Tops Trading Card Company got in a lot of hot water over the artwork of these Martians vaporizing humans. 355 00:23:19,940 --> 00:23:21,940 Sure. 356 00:23:21,940 --> 00:23:33,940 Now it's just like, I don't know. I look at Mars Attacks and I'm like, that's so entertaining. It's so imaginative. For sure. But at the time, controversy. 357 00:23:33,940 --> 00:23:43,940 Well, for sure. I mean, if you think about it, because they were terrorizing Americans, I think was part of it. Like it was specifically like terror. And then during that time, you know, there was a lot politically going on. 358 00:23:43,940 --> 00:23:52,940 And then they were like, we can't have kids celebrating American terror, which I get it. But yeah, I don't know. 359 00:23:52,940 --> 00:23:55,940 A lot of censorship happening for sure. 360 00:23:55,940 --> 00:24:04,940 I think if I think American terror is like the great name like for a band or haunted house. 361 00:24:04,940 --> 00:24:07,940 There you go. 362 00:24:07,940 --> 00:24:10,940 We're going to start it. We're going to start it now. 363 00:24:10,940 --> 00:24:20,940 So in 1971, Morbius makes his debut as a character in Marvel Comics, specifically Amazing Spider-Man. 364 00:24:20,940 --> 00:24:34,940 And he is dubbed Morbius the Living Vampire because he's not a true vampire the way Dracula is. And Dracula, mind you, is a character in Marvel Comics based on the literature. 365 00:24:34,940 --> 00:24:35,940 Right. 366 00:24:35,940 --> 00:24:42,940 So Marvel loves a good vampire and how Morbius gets his power. He's Dr. Michael Morbius. And this is reflected in the movie, too. 367 00:24:42,940 --> 00:24:54,940 He's a Nobel Prize winning scientist and he is afflicted with a blood disease where he's like losing blood cells. 368 00:24:54,940 --> 00:25:01,940 And he needs and he's trying he comes up with like some sort of serum or antidote that replenishes blood cells. 369 00:25:01,940 --> 00:25:08,940 But here's where it differs in the comics. In the comics, he also goes through like an electroshock therapy. 370 00:25:08,940 --> 00:25:30,940 And that combination of electroshocks and this blood serum creates an out of control sequence that turns him into a vampire in the sense that he now needs to feed on the human blood to replenish the blood he is losing because his blood cells are they keep dying. 371 00:25:30,940 --> 00:25:31,940 Right. 372 00:25:31,940 --> 00:25:38,940 So. So that's that's Morbius. That's his beginnings. He he's an antihero traditionally in the comics. 373 00:25:38,940 --> 00:25:39,940 Right. 374 00:25:39,940 --> 00:25:47,940 Not a villain per se. He tries to only feed on the blood of the bad guys. 375 00:25:47,940 --> 00:26:04,940 But a really interesting development in his story and his relationship with Spider-Man is that he as Michael Morbius, he realizes that Spider-Man has radioactive blood and he becomes convinced that it's this radioactive blood that will cure him of his disease. 376 00:26:04,940 --> 00:26:07,940 So that's why he always has runs it run into Spider-Man. 377 00:26:07,940 --> 00:26:12,940 He's always trying to drink Spider-Man's blood. 378 00:26:12,940 --> 00:26:17,940 I love that attracts that totally tracks. Absolutely. 379 00:26:17,940 --> 00:26:26,940 It's so interesting. Very interesting. I love you know I have to say I do love a good antihero sort of a vigilante kind of a character. I think it's a there's so many interesting places you can go with it. 380 00:26:26,940 --> 00:26:43,940 So I I do like this character on on the surface. I think that there is a depth there that can be explored. I hope maybe is explored in a different way under under different care. 381 00:26:43,940 --> 00:26:59,940 Yeah. And just thinking out loud is like this character is really interesting. Is is there enough character though for him to lead his own movie his own franchise or and it's no diss to the character. 382 00:26:59,940 --> 00:27:06,940 Is he better suited as a supporting character in a Spider-Man or a Blade movie. 383 00:27:06,940 --> 00:27:19,940 I think yeah I think that's that's where I would have put him. And there's a lot of characters in the Marvel Cinematic Universe that they have been trying to like create vehicles for that it's just like this is no years. 384 00:27:19,940 --> 00:27:28,940 This is a supporting character. This character is much more interesting when they're part of a different story because there's there's not enough to go around. 385 00:27:28,940 --> 00:27:37,940 That's you know there's just not enough to really skews the pond flesh out here in in a full length feature film. It just it doesn't quite work for me. 386 00:27:37,940 --> 00:27:45,940 There's yeah maybe it could have. I don't know under again under better writing and better care but not not here not now. 387 00:27:45,940 --> 00:27:53,940 I would have loved to have seen him you know team up with Blade or something or even team up with Spider-Man in a in something. 388 00:27:53,940 --> 00:28:01,940 You know I think that would be really cool even if they have their differences. That's always an interesting like sort of a buddy comedy kind of thing. 389 00:28:01,940 --> 00:28:16,940 Two opposite characters are fighting against the same villain. Yeah. Imagine. I mean first of all I think it's wildly awesome that Spider-Man has a vampire character that he battles with. 390 00:28:16,940 --> 00:28:33,940 So yeah like I see here's the difference in tone like. So we have a vampire character and this is a problem I had with Morbius the movie is that it's rated PG 13 and you really don't get any sense of violence. 391 00:28:33,940 --> 00:28:47,940 Like there's no blood in this movie. Sure. It's all very mild and in a vampire movie. Come on. You got to show us the blood. Like that's why we want to see a vampire movie. Right. 392 00:28:47,940 --> 00:28:58,940 Does that tone fit within the Marvel Sony Spider-Man tone that they have curated so carefully. 393 00:28:58,940 --> 00:29:16,940 Right. And yeah I think that's a really good point. There is something inherently sort of grotesque about vampire stories and they don't do that here because of you're right the tone the sort of the world that they're creating is a violent world but it's not a bloody world necessarily the way that that that Blade was. 394 00:29:16,940 --> 00:29:30,940 I mean there was actually a blood ball in Blade right like an entire scene was covered in blood which is incredible to see. But here yeah it's just it's a different world and they have to tame it down a little bit. 395 00:29:30,940 --> 00:29:44,940 And so maybe that is probably part of it too that they can't go where you want them to go with a movie like this just because of the world that they sort of box themselves into which is not a bad thing but maybe he just doesn't need to live there then. 396 00:29:44,940 --> 00:29:50,940 Right. Boxing them in boxing themselves and I think is a great way to put it. Yeah. 397 00:29:50,940 --> 00:29:56,940 There is talk of a blade a new movie. Do you know more about that. 398 00:29:56,940 --> 00:30:08,940 Not enough they've they've been toying with it for a while and teasing it for a while and like I said Blade does show up in the Deadpool and Wolverine movie which is incredible. 399 00:30:08,940 --> 00:30:20,940 So I don't know enough about it. I can't remember the name of the actor who's going to play it so it is in the works it is happening I think it comes out next year or maybe in in two years. 400 00:30:20,940 --> 00:30:30,940 But as far as the storyline I don't know anything about that. So you know more to come. Same ma maha shala Ali. Yes. 401 00:30:30,940 --> 00:30:43,940 Has been at least preliminary cast as Blade I think he'd be an excellent choice. I wonder and I hope that with Deadpool and Wolverine being rated R. 402 00:30:43,940 --> 00:30:59,940 Yeah Disney is willing to go there with a new blade. Yeah. Hey maybe a new Morbius. Yeah I agree. I think they have to at this point but blade like I know one's going to want to see it and they're going to be expecting you know Blade. 403 00:30:59,940 --> 00:31:11,940 Blade is a badass character and it gets things get weird with blade and so I think they have to do it. Otherwise what's the point in bringing in rebooting it. 404 00:31:11,940 --> 00:31:21,940 Right. A blessing and a curse that those Wesley snipe at least the first the first one I know is critically popular the second one is directed by Guillermo del Toro. 405 00:31:21,940 --> 00:31:35,940 So it still is like a really well made movie. Yeah but I don't know if it's popularly regarded and the third one I know isn't really talked about. So I don't know. Yeah. Either way for better or for worse. 406 00:31:35,940 --> 00:31:44,940 There's a standard that I hope Disney reaches with a new blade movie. Yeah I have a feeling they will because of what they've done with Deadpool. 407 00:31:44,940 --> 00:31:58,940 I think that they're they're happy to lean into that as long as they market it correctly. Yeah. Well speaking of marketing films. Yeah. Why don't we get into the production history of Morbius a little bit. 408 00:31:58,940 --> 00:32:13,940 Is there it was not a straightforward reproduction for this film. No no it sure was not and it was on hold for a very long time as well. 409 00:32:13,940 --> 00:32:22,940 You want me to get into it or do you want to. Yeah you can get into it. Sure I mean so from from my recollection and from what I've read so it was released in 2022. 410 00:32:22,940 --> 00:32:34,940 Right under Columbia Pictures in association with Marvel Entertainment and Sony like we already said just like the Venom movies and the Spider-Man movies it was it was intended to really be a part of that world. 411 00:32:34,940 --> 00:32:50,940 And in fact I think way back in when it was being conceived in 2018 or 2019 when the rights were purchased I think Sony originally purchased the rights intending Morbius to be a part of the blade world and then he wasn't. 412 00:32:50,940 --> 00:33:00,940 And then they intended to give him his own movie and that never happened and then we fast forwarded a while to 2019 when Jared Leto. 413 00:33:00,940 --> 00:33:14,940 Signed on to do the movie and then things were back on track with a with a solo movie. And again they were they a lot of the writing and a lot of the production from what I understand they were really trying going to put this in the Spider-Man sort of universe in this world. 414 00:33:14,940 --> 00:33:29,940 And then for I don't know why but for some reason in editing or something they got cold feet on it or something because they pulled out almost every reference to blade and to Spider-Man into that whole world they just pulled all of it. 415 00:33:29,940 --> 00:33:40,940 Which I think left some plot holes in the movie if you if you really watch it you're like wait this it feels like something else was supposed to be here, but it's not so I don't know what happened. 416 00:33:40,940 --> 00:33:59,940 So anyways back to the production though so 2019 things are under underway it was supposed to be released in 2020 but of course the COVID-19 pandemic happened and no one really wanted to see a movie or if we're ready to see a movie about a guy who uses bats I think was it was bad marketing. 417 00:33:59,940 --> 00:34:14,940 Just really bad timing for for bats in general in 2020 and 2029 and then it got pushed it was supposed to then be released 2021 and got pushed again and then was finally released in March 2022 to not great reviews. 418 00:34:14,940 --> 00:34:33,940 In fact it had a huge this is pretty funny a huge sort of like underground campaign on like YouTube and stuff people making fun of this movie and memes and and all that stuff and so it's so much so that Sony re-released it a year later I think or like six months later and it did just as poorly. 419 00:34:33,940 --> 00:34:56,940 Like it's not that it was going to get people to come see the movie like come see how bad this is and people were like no no we already know that it's bad for not going to watch it again and so yeah it did not do well I think in fact it worldwide even to date it hasn't even hit the 200 million mark for for proceeds so not not not doing great not doing great. 420 00:34:56,940 --> 00:35:08,940 Yeah I know in my own research like it is one of the worst reviewed receptive received superhero movies out there. 421 00:35:08,940 --> 00:35:16,940 Think about any of those fantastic four films it kind of ranks in with the legacy of those movies. 422 00:35:16,940 --> 00:35:20,940 Now here's the thing I'm gonna I'm gonna say this right now. 423 00:35:20,940 --> 00:35:24,940 Yeah, I didn't think it was that bad. 424 00:35:24,940 --> 00:35:29,940 I totally did a train wreck. 425 00:35:29,940 --> 00:35:41,940 And you know what I got a movie that was a little boring, but it wasn't a sloppy film like it was. Yeah, I've seen poorly made movies. 426 00:35:41,940 --> 00:35:55,940 Fair, fair. I know you know what, in all honesty I don't disagree with you. It's not like the worst thing that's ever happened. Obviously it's not even the worst thing in Marvel that's ever happened. So it's, it's a, it's a fine movie but it definitely. 427 00:35:55,940 --> 00:36:16,940 It doesn't. Here's the thing for me it doesn't add anything necessarily to the Marvel world. I didn't go away from this thinking, I can't wait to see what happens next, or I hope they incorporate these characters into this world, it just was its own thing and it, it just kind of petered off for me I just I lost interest, a lot during the movie. 428 00:36:16,940 --> 00:36:27,940 But it was, there was a lot of good actors in it, there is some interesting fight sequences or some interesting stuff happening with the camera work and CGI work. 429 00:36:27,940 --> 00:36:36,940 It just, yeah, there was just a lot of plot I think for me definitely was just the writing and the conceiving of the movie is where it really jumped the track for me. 430 00:36:36,940 --> 00:36:38,940 Yeah, yeah. 431 00:36:38,940 --> 00:36:41,940 I have more to say on that but yeah fair. 432 00:36:41,940 --> 00:36:46,940 Yeah, you mentioned the, the memes that came out of this. 433 00:36:46,940 --> 00:36:59,940 I think that's, that's a little bit like the legacy of this movie. Just as a big joke, which, you know, here we are talking about it so like you know Morbius is welcome to the party. 434 00:36:59,940 --> 00:37:02,940 Even if he's sitting by himself. 435 00:37:02,940 --> 00:37:07,940 I do want to ask you before we get into our quiz show. Yeah. 436 00:37:07,940 --> 00:37:20,940 What, how does this compare to Madame Web, because I've seen, like some reviews of that, that movie seems like a poorly made movie. 437 00:37:20,940 --> 00:37:25,940 It's editing and I don't know, but I haven't seen it you've seen them both. 438 00:37:25,940 --> 00:37:29,940 I have, I have unfortunately seen seen both of the movies. 439 00:37:29,940 --> 00:37:40,940 So, interestingly, written by the same people. So, Matt, Sazama and Brooke Sharpless, I think is his name, wrote both of these movies. 440 00:37:40,940 --> 00:37:58,940 And where it differs is definitely Madame Web was absolutely a horrifically written movie, like the, the script has so many plot holes, it's just, it's the dead dialogue as well if that makes sense like there's just no life in this movie at all. 441 00:37:58,940 --> 00:38:11,940 In, in what they're saying they're not creative in terms of phrases they're not. It's just, it's almost as though they just took pages from the comic book and threw them on a page and said that'll, that'll work, that'll do it. 442 00:38:11,940 --> 00:38:20,940 It just wasn't much thought put into it, and you can, you can see that a little bit here with Morbius. Morbius however, for whatever reason, is a better written movie. 443 00:38:20,940 --> 00:38:39,940 That being said, it's not a wonderfully written movie. There's, there's lines in there like, this is the one that bothered me the entire time. They kept trying to sell this phrase of like, were the original Spartans, the few against the many, and I'm like, no, I think the Spartans were the original Spartans, like that's just a bad line, it just doesn't make any sense. 444 00:38:39,940 --> 00:38:42,940 What do you mean the original, the what? 445 00:38:42,940 --> 00:38:50,940 Right, right. There are so many lines like that, and I can't remember all of them but yeah I was like that. 446 00:38:50,940 --> 00:39:17,940 It's like, it's almost an indescribable thing when you, and you know we're so familiar with, with story structure and dialogue and sure writing plays. And it's just like when you hear an awkward line. 447 00:39:17,940 --> 00:39:35,940 I mean, movies have great actors in them. I mean, some, some not so much but generally have really, you know, people who have been in better things and done really well in them are saying, you can tell you can just see it in their faces of like, I hate saying this line, I don't want to say it's a terrible line. 448 00:39:35,940 --> 00:39:50,940 That was just it the entire time, specifically for Madame Web, it was just bad line after bad line after bad line, with no real plot point that made any sense. More of yous at least had a little bit of a through line that they were getting from point A to point B. 449 00:39:50,940 --> 00:39:53,940 It just didn't always make sense. 450 00:39:53,940 --> 00:39:56,940 You had to do a lot of the work yourself as an audience member. 451 00:39:56,940 --> 00:39:59,940 Wow. Okay. 452 00:39:59,940 --> 00:40:15,940 Won't be high on my list to watch. It's, you know, it's worth it just to like having seen it, like just to complete your Marvel history lesson I guess but it's definitely not one that they're going to return to at all, ever. 453 00:40:15,940 --> 00:40:17,940 All right, well good. Yeah. 454 00:40:17,940 --> 00:40:21,940 Let us go into our quiz here. 455 00:40:21,940 --> 00:40:22,940 I like it. 456 00:40:22,940 --> 00:40:26,940 Here we go. Patrick, how many questions do you have for me. 457 00:40:26,940 --> 00:40:35,940 I have three questions for you Vincent, I have three questions for you. These are multiple choice so you do not, it's not like our typical trivia that we have. 458 00:40:35,940 --> 00:40:38,940 I do. Yes, this is just a quiz show. 459 00:40:38,940 --> 00:40:51,940 And Patrick while you prepare your questions, I'm going to get our tallies from the last quiz show we did. I'm going to see where you're sure you want to look at it, Vincent, are you sure you want to. 460 00:40:51,940 --> 00:40:53,940 It can't be worse than Morbius. 461 00:40:53,940 --> 00:41:01,940 Hey, Patrick, you have three points, and I have 1.5. 462 00:41:01,940 --> 00:41:05,940 That's right, that's right because I think I worded one of my questions oddly, and that threw you off. 463 00:41:05,940 --> 00:41:09,940 Yeah, yeah, so you get one point for each question. 464 00:41:09,940 --> 00:41:21,940 You can say no, do we want to subtract points for any wrong answer. Oh, wow. I, I'm not feeling very confident on this quiz so I'm going to say no to subtraction this time around. 465 00:41:21,940 --> 00:41:26,940 Because you're in a position to say that. 466 00:41:26,940 --> 00:41:28,940 Alright, hit me with your first question. 467 00:41:28,940 --> 00:41:35,940 Okay, so all of my questions are related to vampires in Disney history, Vincent. 468 00:41:35,940 --> 00:41:37,940 Are you ready? 469 00:41:37,940 --> 00:41:38,940 Yes. 470 00:41:38,940 --> 00:41:58,940 Alright, in the Nightmare Before Christmas, what toy do the four vampire brothers create? Is it the shrunken head? Is it the zombie duck? Or is it the jack-o-lantern in a box? 471 00:41:58,940 --> 00:42:00,940 Zombie duck. 472 00:42:00,940 --> 00:42:02,940 That is correct. 473 00:42:02,940 --> 00:42:03,940 Yes. 474 00:42:03,940 --> 00:42:07,940 Good job, good job. 475 00:42:07,940 --> 00:42:11,940 Woo. I like it. 476 00:42:11,940 --> 00:42:13,940 I love that part of the movie. 477 00:42:13,940 --> 00:42:16,940 It's so great. That's such a great movie. 478 00:42:16,940 --> 00:42:18,940 Yeah. 479 00:42:18,940 --> 00:42:21,940 Okay, I have one point. 480 00:42:21,940 --> 00:42:23,940 Ding ding ding. 481 00:42:23,940 --> 00:42:26,940 My questions largely relate to Morbius. 482 00:42:26,940 --> 00:42:27,940 Ooh, okay. 483 00:42:27,940 --> 00:42:28,940 But Marvel in general. 484 00:42:28,940 --> 00:42:29,940 Great. 485 00:42:29,940 --> 00:42:31,940 Okay. 486 00:42:31,940 --> 00:42:34,940 I'm going to give you the easy one. 487 00:42:34,940 --> 00:42:48,940 Though it may not be clear in Morbius, from which country does the character originate in? 488 00:42:48,940 --> 00:42:55,940 Is it Romania, Greece, or Bulgaria? 489 00:42:55,940 --> 00:42:57,940 Oh, goodness. Okay. 490 00:42:57,940 --> 00:43:02,940 So you're asking where does Dr. Morbius hail from? Is that the question? 491 00:43:02,940 --> 00:43:04,940 Yes, his country of origin. 492 00:43:04,940 --> 00:43:12,940 Okay. I want to, for some reason Bulgaria is in my head, so I'm just going to go with that one. 493 00:43:12,940 --> 00:43:14,940 You are incorrect. 494 00:43:14,940 --> 00:43:16,940 Ah. 495 00:43:16,940 --> 00:43:18,940 It is Greece. 496 00:43:18,940 --> 00:43:23,940 Greece. Interesting. Yeah, that was not clear. A lot of things weren't clear in this movie, and that was one of them. 497 00:43:23,940 --> 00:43:27,940 But you know, I almost gave it up earlier because you're talking about the Spartan lines, 300. 498 00:43:27,940 --> 00:43:28,940 Oh. 499 00:43:28,940 --> 00:43:32,940 Knowing that they're in Greece in the beginning. 500 00:43:32,940 --> 00:43:34,940 But like you don't know they're in Greece? 501 00:43:34,940 --> 00:43:39,940 I didn't, I wouldn't, because he has an American accent and his friend Milo has a British accent. 502 00:43:39,940 --> 00:43:45,940 And so why would they be in Greece? It doesn't make any sense. 503 00:43:45,940 --> 00:43:49,940 It starts out, so it starts out not making sense. Great. 504 00:43:49,940 --> 00:43:57,940 Absolutely. Jared Leto is so American and Matt Smith is so British. Yeah. 505 00:43:57,940 --> 00:43:59,940 So weird. Okay. 506 00:43:59,940 --> 00:44:03,940 Alright, well, it's not your fault. It's the writing. 507 00:44:03,940 --> 00:44:06,940 So I'm ready for my second question. 508 00:44:06,940 --> 00:44:15,940 Okay, here we go. On Friday the 13th, 2000, Vincent, this Disney Channel original movie was released, 509 00:44:15,940 --> 00:44:24,940 featuring Caroline Rae playing a woman who's been set up on a date with a mysterious man who turns out to be a vampire. 510 00:44:24,940 --> 00:44:35,940 Is the title of this movie, My Date with Dracula? Is it Mom's Got a Date with a Vampire? Or is it Love at Stake? 511 00:44:35,940 --> 00:44:42,940 Oh, I tell you, I wish it was Love at Stake. But is it My Mom's Got a Date with a Vampire? 512 00:44:42,940 --> 00:44:45,940 It is. Mom's Got a Date with a Vampire. 513 00:44:45,940 --> 00:44:47,940 Alright. 514 00:44:47,940 --> 00:44:51,940 I tried so hard to come up with a worse title, but there's nothing worse than that title. 515 00:44:51,940 --> 00:44:58,940 I mean, it tells you what it is. It really, it's the whole plot of the movie. It's right there in the title. You don't have to watch it. 516 00:44:58,940 --> 00:45:01,940 Maybe next time on Magic and Monsters. 517 00:45:01,940 --> 00:45:08,940 That's right. Amazing. Alright, let's go with my next incorrect answer. 518 00:45:08,940 --> 00:45:20,940 Well, I don't know. So the actor Tyrese Gibson, well he's a musician, but he's playing the agent Simon Stroud in Morbius. 519 00:45:20,940 --> 00:45:31,940 Now in the trailer, this character was featured with a robotic appendage that never appeared in the final film. 520 00:45:31,940 --> 00:45:35,940 Appendage? Okay. 521 00:45:35,940 --> 00:45:44,940 What was this appendage? A leg, an arm, or a neck? 522 00:45:44,940 --> 00:45:54,940 What? A robotic appendage. Oh man, neck is so obvious, but because of the, but oh man. 523 00:45:54,940 --> 00:46:05,940 I really want it to be the neck, but I think he probably had, we've had, we have too many robotic arms in Marvel, so I feel like it's probably a robotic leg. 524 00:46:05,940 --> 00:46:12,940 No, it's the arm. It is the arm. They can't get away from robotic arms in Marvel. 525 00:46:12,940 --> 00:46:22,940 They're everywhere. Everyone's got a robotic arm in some movie. I wonder how many movies are out there with a character with a robotic arm. I bet there's a lot. 526 00:46:22,940 --> 00:46:27,940 Winter Soldier, Iron Man, there's more than one. 527 00:46:27,940 --> 00:46:33,940 Doesn't the Punisher, does the Punisher have a robotic arm? No, I don't think so. 528 00:46:33,940 --> 00:46:40,940 I thought he had something, anyways, but yeah, amazing. Alright. 529 00:46:40,940 --> 00:46:47,940 Let's see, we're on to question number three. I'm batting zero right now. Okay, here we go. 530 00:46:47,940 --> 00:46:55,940 So Disney has a full animated show featuring a young girl vampire, which aired for three seasons. 531 00:46:55,940 --> 00:47:07,940 What was the name of that show? Was it The Littlest Vampire? Was it Vampirina? Or was it Dracula? 532 00:47:07,940 --> 00:47:16,940 No idea. Not a clue. I'm gonna say, what was the first one? The Littlest Vampire. 533 00:47:16,940 --> 00:47:23,940 That's just the cutest name, so I'm gonna go with The Littlest Vampire. It is a cute name. It is not The Littlest Vampire, though. 534 00:47:23,940 --> 00:47:31,940 It is Vampirina, and it's actually a really good show. I highly recommend it. Highly recommend it. 535 00:47:31,940 --> 00:47:37,940 For all ages, there's musical numbers in it. It's great. It's wonderful. Alright. When was the song? 536 00:47:37,940 --> 00:47:47,940 I think it was on, I think it stopped airing like two years ago, so it's like five-ish years old. Vampirina. Vampirina. 537 00:47:47,940 --> 00:48:04,940 Alright, my last question. Once upon a time, Count Dracula, desperate for blood, attacked this farm animal that later became a vampire. 538 00:48:04,940 --> 00:48:29,940 This creature became a foe of Howard the Duck, and later an ally of Deadpool. What is this vampire's name? Is it Hell Cow? Hell Horse? Or Hell Swine? 539 00:48:29,940 --> 00:48:41,940 Hell Swine. Oh, that's so good! Hell Swine. See, I know that you're very clever, and so I think you're trying to throw me with Hell Swine. 540 00:48:41,940 --> 00:48:55,940 But it does sound very Howard the Duck-y, so I'm going with Hell Swine. I wish. It is Hell Cow. Hell Cow. 541 00:48:55,940 --> 00:49:02,940 Oh, they missed a mark on that one. It should have been Hell Swine, because it sounds like Van Helsing, so they could have named it Van Helswine. 542 00:49:02,940 --> 00:49:12,940 That would have been incredible. Incredible. Well done. You got me. You got me on this one. 543 00:49:12,940 --> 00:49:21,940 The Hell Cow, formerly known as Bessie, was attacked by Count Dracula, became Hell Cow. 544 00:49:21,940 --> 00:49:27,940 That tracks. Howard the Duck. That's a movie we should maybe consider doing as well. Forget about that one. 545 00:49:27,940 --> 00:49:38,940 I have yet to see it, but again, I know it's one of the worst movies ever made. It's wild. It's wild. It's burned into my memory. That's for sure. 546 00:49:38,940 --> 00:49:47,940 A cool character, though. Howard the Duck. Underrated. Yeah, totally. I have a Howard the Duck little action figure of all. 547 00:49:47,940 --> 00:49:58,940 Adorable. Yeah, that's funny. 548 00:49:58,940 --> 00:50:06,940 Too good. Too good. Okay, well, let's just dig into a little bit of what we liked, didn't like about Morbius. 549 00:50:06,940 --> 00:50:10,940 So let me ask you, like, what works for you in this film? 550 00:50:10,940 --> 00:50:21,940 Such a great question. Not a lot to choose from. No, I'm just kidding. So I did actually really enjoy the character, although I have things to say about it. 551 00:50:21,940 --> 00:50:30,940 Milo. I think his, the nemesis in the character who is also in the movie, who is also his friend, turned out to be his enemy later on. 552 00:50:30,940 --> 00:50:40,940 I think that's an interesting plot line. I don't know enough about the comic books to know if that was, if they invented that for this movie or not, but maybe you can answer that. 553 00:50:40,940 --> 00:50:47,940 But I found that character really interesting and intriguing. And maybe that had a lot to do with who was it? 554 00:50:47,940 --> 00:50:57,940 Chris Smith, who played it, who's Matt Smith, Matt Smith, sorry, Matt Smith, who played it, who's great, who's who was wonderful in the movie, given some not great lines. 555 00:50:57,940 --> 00:51:04,940 But the character itself, I thought was good. And I also, like I said before, I like, I like an antihero. 556 00:51:04,940 --> 00:51:13,940 I like a conflicted character who is trying so hard to be good, but can't help it, but be bad sometimes in that he needs to drink human blood. 557 00:51:13,940 --> 00:51:22,940 And I think there's a lot there that could have been a better movie. And I think I appreciated maybe the characters more than I appreciated the movie itself. 558 00:51:22,940 --> 00:51:36,940 That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. What about you? Yeah, I in the beginning, I loved actually, I actually I think I might have liked everything up until. 559 00:51:36,940 --> 00:51:45,940 Michael becomes more be as the vampire. I feel like the tone was was campy in like a good way, like a so bad. 560 00:51:45,940 --> 00:51:52,940 Sure. Sure. It was like mad scientist feels going on the hubris, the science. 561 00:51:52,940 --> 00:51:57,940 I'm going to create this blood serum. And it was like very like that's what you read comic books for. 562 00:51:57,940 --> 00:52:02,940 Anyways, you just like, yeah, this feels good. Yeah. 563 00:52:02,940 --> 00:52:10,940 I'm going to stick with the good I liked. So there's some there's a little Easter egg for horror fans. 564 00:52:10,940 --> 00:52:17,940 The ship that they that Michael Morbius is experimenting on that's parked out in international waters. 565 00:52:17,940 --> 00:52:22,940 It's called the mark. It's called the Murnau or the Murnau. 566 00:52:22,940 --> 00:52:32,940 FW Murnau was the director of the original Nosferatu. Oh, interesting. OK. Yeah. Yeah. So for vampire fans, you're like, I see you. 567 00:52:32,940 --> 00:52:36,940 I like it. I like it. Yeah. 568 00:52:36,940 --> 00:52:40,940 Is that it? That's it. No, I like it. 569 00:52:40,940 --> 00:52:47,940 Like I agree with you. Like there's a lot of interesting ideas being presented. Yeah. 570 00:52:47,940 --> 00:52:52,940 In fact, including I picked up on this. I'd love to hear your thoughts. 571 00:52:52,940 --> 00:53:05,940 The conflict between Milo and Michael seems to be Milo's resentment that because they both have this illness, this like degenerative illness. 572 00:53:05,940 --> 00:53:11,940 Milo's resentment that Michael, as he as Milo says, doesn't accept who he is. 573 00:53:11,940 --> 00:53:14,940 That's repeated often in this film. 574 00:53:14,940 --> 00:53:29,940 And when I see two male characters, especially vampires, having that kind of conflict, I wonder if there's not a subtext of Milo is interested in being more than friends with Michael. 575 00:53:29,940 --> 00:53:36,940 And Michael's just, you know, for whatever reason, not engaged in that way. 576 00:53:36,940 --> 00:53:46,940 Yeah, there's definitely. Yeah, there's definitely some sort of a underlying tension between the two of them that doesn't really get revealed. 577 00:53:46,940 --> 00:53:49,940 Yeah, I think that. Yeah, I think that's interesting. 578 00:53:49,940 --> 00:53:56,940 But but the movie doesn't explore that. It doesn't like invest in its stakes. No pun intended. 579 00:53:56,940 --> 00:54:01,940 It's just it's just very flat movie. Yeah, it has. 580 00:54:01,940 --> 00:54:10,940 Yeah, ideas that it doesn't like who gave these writers a job. 581 00:54:10,940 --> 00:54:15,940 Twice gave him another job from Adam Webb. Yeah, right. 582 00:54:15,940 --> 00:54:21,940 I don't know. It's just so interesting. I'm going off a little bit like in the playwriting world, in the theater world. Yeah. 583 00:54:21,940 --> 00:54:36,940 Right. A script. It's never just produced. It goes through development and with people who give you critiques and feedback and and they'll see an interesting idea and they'll challenge you to go deeper into that idea. 584 00:54:36,940 --> 00:54:44,940 Flesh it out. But I feel like with movies, you just write a script and they and the producer goes, All right, that's this is it. 585 00:54:44,940 --> 00:54:56,940 I'm going to film this movie and like, I don't think there's that kind of development phase. Yeah, I don't think I don't know. But I don't. Yeah, there was just there was there's a lot of easy stuff that they missed in this movie. 586 00:54:56,940 --> 00:55:04,940 I feel like with plot like they just could have added a couple more lines that would have explained something else or but you mean they just didn't quite get there for whatever reason. 587 00:55:04,940 --> 00:55:15,940 And like silly stuff was missed to like the doctor who was helping them and was really sort of obsessed with this friendship and not obsessed but was really wanted to see them succeed and et cetera. 588 00:55:15,940 --> 00:55:25,940 Like just cinematically, they didn't age him though. Like once they like he was the same age the entire movie, even though these characters had aged 20 years in the future. 589 00:55:25,940 --> 00:55:35,940 The character never changed. So it was like that that was a really weird miss to not do anything with that character or explain why he was was so smitten with these boys. 590 00:55:35,940 --> 00:55:47,940 You know what I mean? It just didn't it didn't quite develop the way that it could have and the character Milo the fact that they changed his name in the very first scene of the movie made zero sense to me. 591 00:55:47,940 --> 00:55:58,940 Other than they forgot what his name was or something because he was named his name is Lucius or Lucian or something who is a character in the Morbius world in the comics. 592 00:55:58,940 --> 00:56:02,940 And it would have been cool if he was that character then but then they just fully changed his name. 593 00:56:02,940 --> 00:56:08,940 He goes with it and then goes with the name Milo and they everyone calls him Milo from the nun didn't make any sense to me. 594 00:56:08,940 --> 00:56:17,940 Not a lick of sense and and and how about in the beginning the very beginning it's like a prologue. Yeah. Yes. 595 00:56:17,940 --> 00:56:26,940 Dr. Michael Morbius he goes to a cave of vampire bats in South America and you're like ooh what's this like Indiana Jones thing going on. Right. 596 00:56:26,940 --> 00:56:35,940 And then it said then it cuts to New York City and it says or wherever it cuts to and it says 25 years earlier. 597 00:56:35,940 --> 00:56:43,940 Mm hmm. Now this whole movie I'm expecting it to end where we began at the cave. 598 00:56:43,940 --> 00:56:51,940 Because that's what happens when you say 25 years earlier never showed up again didn't even go back to the cave. 599 00:56:51,940 --> 00:56:54,940 Like it was didn't make sense. It didn't make any sense. 600 00:56:54,940 --> 00:57:00,940 Did make any sense. Everyone was like he didn't tell people what he was doing with the bats or where they didn't not a lick of sense. 601 00:57:00,940 --> 00:57:13,940 And then suddenly the bats are in his office and that didn't make it like how did how did all of these bats get into this enormous office that apparently is the size of a building and no one saw it happen. 602 00:57:13,940 --> 00:57:26,940 Like everyone was just blind to the fact that he had constructed an entire vault of bats and these bats live in like this glass case didn't make any sense. 603 00:57:26,940 --> 00:57:34,940 The bats can't survive that way. They live in caves for a reason. They're in like he's got them kept in like they can't even hang anywhere. 604 00:57:34,940 --> 00:57:39,940 They're just flying around constantly flying. They just never landed anywhere. They had no branches to land on. 605 00:57:39,940 --> 00:57:47,940 They had nothing at all. It was it didn't make any sense in like a fluorescent lighted room is just those bats are going to die. 606 00:57:47,940 --> 00:57:59,940 Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. It's it had it's like I said it's such a promising character and storyline that they just missed fully missed the mark on in this one. 607 00:57:59,940 --> 00:58:15,940 They're not enough good things to talk about. Unfortunately, no one more bad thing I'll mention because it I didn't catch it like Morbius sits down at a coffee shop with Martin is his co-scientist 608 00:58:15,940 --> 00:58:25,940 and also apparently love interest, which it was almost like, oh, we need them to kiss. So so people think that they're in love. 609 00:58:25,940 --> 00:58:40,940 Yeah. So they kiss it like towards the end and you're like, OK, sure. But they're sitting at a diner and Morbius like Jared Leto sticks his hand out over a cup of coffee and then like acts like he got hurt. 610 00:58:40,940 --> 00:58:46,940 Like, oh, then then he's like, just joking. I'm not that kind of vampire. 611 00:58:46,940 --> 00:58:53,940 And I went, I don't get it. Yeah, that doesn't make any sense. Like, what does the coffee have to do with with that? 612 00:58:53,940 --> 00:59:05,940 But then in hindsight, I was reading about the movie and apparently he was sticking his hand out in a ray of light through the window and by the light. 613 00:59:05,940 --> 00:59:10,940 You see, that's poor direction because you don't understand that that's what he was doing. Yeah. Yeah. 614 00:59:10,940 --> 00:59:21,940 Where was the director that craft that moment visually? It's just one of many. Weird moments that don't land jokes that don't make sense. 615 00:59:21,940 --> 00:59:32,940 Yeah. And you're just baffled by it all baffled. That's a great word for it. Baffled, baffled, baffled, baffled. 616 00:59:32,940 --> 00:59:38,940 Amazing. Amazing. So, yeah, there we go. Morbius. There it is. 617 00:59:38,940 --> 00:59:45,940 Anything else to add? Any final thoughts? How would you rate this movie in one? How would you sum it up in one sentence? 618 00:59:45,940 --> 00:59:53,940 Oh, gosh. Morbius in one sentence. 619 00:59:53,940 --> 01:00:03,940 Interesting characters, potential plot line, horrible script, I think is my sentence. What about you? 620 01:00:03,940 --> 01:00:17,940 I would next time I'd like to see a rated R Morbius as a villain with Blade and Hellcow. 621 01:00:17,940 --> 01:00:24,940 Yes, please. That would be an epic movie for sure. For sure. 622 01:00:24,940 --> 01:00:30,940 That's a great note to end it on, everybody. Thank you for listening to us talk about Morbius. 623 01:00:30,940 --> 01:00:38,940 Not one of the better vampire movies, but we do love a good vampire movie here at Camp Kaiju and Gaze Do The D. 624 01:00:38,940 --> 01:00:44,940 So let's talk about let's talk about more monster movies from the House of Mouse. 625 01:00:44,940 --> 01:00:51,940 We don't know what our next movie is going to be. We have ideas. Maybe a holiday film. 626 01:00:51,940 --> 01:00:56,940 Lots of options. Lots of options out there. Let us know. Let us know your thoughts. What do you want us to review? 627 01:00:56,940 --> 01:01:06,940 What are some Disney monster movies that intrigue you that you want to figure out? How did this get made and should it exist? 628 01:01:06,940 --> 01:01:17,940 Yeah. Yeah. And in the meantime, folks interested in Camp Kaiju monster movie podcast, check out our links in the show notes and reach out. 629 01:01:17,940 --> 01:01:23,940 Leave us a positive review and rating and we would be eternally grateful. 630 01:01:23,940 --> 01:01:32,940 Same. Same over at Gaze Do The D. Hit us up on Instagram, GDTD podcast or shoot us an email info at gazedothed.com. 631 01:01:32,940 --> 01:01:39,940 Yeah. Well, thank you, Patrick. This was a lot of fun. And yeah, I hope you have a good rest of your day. 632 01:01:39,940 --> 01:01:43,940 Don't know what you're up to. My pleasure. Thank you, Vincent. 633 01:01:43,940 --> 01:02:11,940 Watch your neck. Don't get bit. This is all Vincent. 634 01:02:13,940 --> 01:02:16,940 Sweet. Fun. We did it. 635 01:02:16,940 --> 01:02:27,940 Yeah. It took me three nights to watch this movie. I had to plow through it. I was like, I just got to get through this one. 636 01:02:27,940 --> 01:02:33,940 It's not the worst. It's not the worst, but it wasn't the best either. It wasn't very engaging. 637 01:02:33,940 --> 01:02:40,940 I wish there was. It's annoying when things are poorly written like that. It's just like, come on, man. That was so lazy. 638 01:02:40,940 --> 01:02:49,940 Yeah, I almost wish there was more vampire action. Like I felt like we just spent a lot of time with Jared Leto being Jared Leto rather than. 639 01:02:49,940 --> 01:02:56,940 So like, did I watch a vampire movie or did I watch a movie about a scientist who sometimes turns into a vampire? I don't know. 640 01:02:56,940 --> 01:03:01,940 Yeah, which I think that's the problem with the movie. It just didn't pick a lane. 641 01:03:01,940 --> 01:03:06,940 Like I'm interested in that conflict of the character who is just like, I really need to eat this person. 642 01:03:06,940 --> 01:03:11,940 But I can't. You know what I mean? And it was just it was it was it was almost hokey that the way that they did that. 643 01:03:11,940 --> 01:03:16,940 I was like, this is actually a really interesting dilemma to have of like, I'm a good guy. 644 01:03:16,940 --> 01:03:22,940 My whole reason for existing is to save people's lives because of their blood illnesses. 645 01:03:22,940 --> 01:03:27,940 And now I have to eat people to stay alive. It's like, what a cool concept. 646 01:03:27,940 --> 01:03:33,940 And then they just didn't play with it, which is like, OK, yeah. What? Right. 647 01:03:33,940 --> 01:03:39,940 All right. Well, yeah. Or we spend more of our precious time talking about this. 648 01:03:39,940 --> 01:03:50,940 They. Hey, friends, real quick, thank you for enjoying my conversation with Patrick all about Morbius. 649 01:03:50,940 --> 01:03:59,940 Please let us know what you think and please stay tuned for our next episode when Camp Kaiju returns to its regular programming. 650 01:03:59,940 --> 01:04:07,940 Matt and I will be reviewing a cult classic called God Told Me To from 1976. 651 01:04:07,940 --> 01:04:15,940 The film was directed by monster movie author Larry Cohen, most well known for his parental anxiety horror film It's Alive. 652 01:04:15,940 --> 01:04:19,940 But God Told Me To does not disappoint. 653 01:04:19,940 --> 01:04:23,940 It has its fair share of uneasy images, complex themes. 654 01:04:23,940 --> 01:04:33,940 This movie centers around religion and sexuality all told within the framework of a detective mystery, kind of like The X-Files. 655 01:04:33,940 --> 01:04:37,940 So if you like The X-Files, check out God Told Me To. 656 01:04:37,940 --> 01:04:40,940 Stay tuned for that episode next week. 657 01:04:40,940 --> 01:04:49,940 And with that said, please enjoy this sneak peek into Camp Kaiju's next episode, all about Larry Cohen's God Told Me To. 658 01:04:49,940 --> 01:04:53,940 I'm excited to record tonight. 659 01:04:53,940 --> 01:04:55,940 It's been a few weeks. 660 01:04:55,940 --> 01:04:58,940 It has. Yeah, I'm excited, too. 661 01:04:58,940 --> 01:05:01,940 Yeah, I won't. No spoilers how I feel about the movie. 662 01:05:01,940 --> 01:05:04,940 I mean, I feel like I kind of want to surprise you a little bit. 663 01:05:04,940 --> 01:05:06,940 Not that it'll be that much of a surprise, probably. 664 01:05:06,940 --> 01:05:10,940 But this movie was not really what I was expecting. 665 01:05:10,940 --> 01:05:12,940 I also watched Q. 666 01:05:12,940 --> 01:05:17,940 I watched God Told Me To and Q back to back. 667 01:05:17,940 --> 01:05:20,940 And I feel like I chose the wrong movie to talk about between those two. 668 01:05:20,940 --> 01:05:25,940 But that's all right. There will be a lot of interesting topics for God Told Me To. 669 01:05:25,940 --> 01:05:33,940 Yes, I would. I can't wait to talk about Larry Cohen's filmography in general, because I watched a couple others. 670 01:05:33,940 --> 01:05:39,940 And because it has been a few weeks, I feel like there's a bit of monster news to catch up on. 671 01:05:39,940 --> 01:05:43,940 What have we been watching? So that's what I'm excited to talk about as well. 672 01:05:43,940 --> 01:05:45,940 Yeah, yeah, for sure. 673 01:05:45,940 --> 01:05:49,940 I'm a little sad that October is over with because it's the best time of year to watch horror movies. 674 01:05:49,940 --> 01:05:52,940 But, you know, you can watch horror movies anytime. 675 01:05:52,940 --> 01:05:57,940 It's a fact. I do. It's something I've been doing a lot lately. 676 01:05:57,940 --> 01:06:00,940 Yeah, yeah. As we both do. 677 01:06:00,940 --> 01:06:06,940 I think it's my it started off as escapist entertainment. 678 01:06:06,940 --> 01:06:12,940 And now I feel as if it's progressed into disassociative entertainment. 679 01:06:12,940 --> 01:06:17,940 Yeah, depending on what happens tonight, we may have to keep on dissociating a little bit. 680 01:06:17,940 --> 01:06:21,940 So I'm sure there will be more horror movies coming up. Yeah. 681 01:06:21,940 --> 01:06:25,940 A healthy obsession to have, I think. Yeah. 682 01:06:25,940 --> 01:06:32,940 Truly. Thank you for picking a movie that you had no idea what it was about. 683 01:06:32,940 --> 01:06:37,940 That's fun. That's so much fun to me. We should do Larry Cohen again. 684 01:06:37,940 --> 01:06:44,940 Totally. It's alive or Q. The stuff is not totally a monster movie, but that's a good movie, too. 685 01:06:44,940 --> 01:06:48,940 Yep. I own it, but I haven't seen it yet. I bet you're going to like it. 686 01:06:48,940 --> 01:06:53,940 There's some really crazy like body horror special effects in that movie. 687 01:06:53,940 --> 01:06:59,940 It's a lot of fun. Can't wait. Michael Moriarty is in that one, too, who also is the crook in Q. 688 01:06:59,940 --> 01:07:04,940 Yeah. What do you think about Q? I liked it a lot. 689 01:07:04,940 --> 01:07:10,940 There are some things I could do without, like gratuitous close ups of like topless women. 690 01:07:10,940 --> 01:07:13,940 But I don't know. I guess you kind of get that with this subgenre. 691 01:07:13,940 --> 01:07:20,940 I think the special effects are great. Yeah. I mean, like David Carradine is really good in it. It's a fun cast. 692 01:07:20,940 --> 01:07:23,940 Again, I think the story is kind of sloppy in that movie. 693 01:07:23,940 --> 01:07:28,940 They're like the ritualistic sacrifices and you don't know who's doing them until like the last minute of the movie, basically. 694 01:07:28,940 --> 01:07:32,940 Yeah, that could have been. I wanted that to be a stronger through line. 695 01:07:32,940 --> 01:07:35,940 Yeah. But overall, I liked it a lot. Yeah, it's fun. 696 01:07:35,940 --> 01:07:41,940 I mean, Michael Moriarty, I was like, who is this guy? He's just talking about screen presence. 697 01:07:41,940 --> 01:07:44,940 Yeah. I was in it to win it with him. Yeah, for sure. 698 01:07:44,940 --> 01:07:50,940 He had kind of popped up in a couple of movies before that, like the last detail, the Jack Nicholson movie, which is pretty good. 699 01:07:50,940 --> 01:08:02,940 But then he worked with Larry Cohen a lot and I feel like that's kind of what he's best known for. Cool. He is very unique for sure. Yeah.