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Hello and welcome to Camp Kaiju Monster Movie Podcast.

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We're your hosts, Vincent Hannum and Matt Levine, and we're talking about all our favorite

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mobster movies, the good, the bad, and the downright campy and asking if they stand the

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test of time.

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Traditional Kaiju, creature features, space invaders, the supernatural, and everything

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in between.

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All strange beasts are welcome here.

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Camp Kaiju is sponsored by Zach Linder and the Zach Pack.

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Hit that link in the show notes.

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Yeah, thanks for hanging out, friends.

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Matt, you're hanging out too.

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We're hanging out here on season four of Camp Kaiju.

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You know, we still got a lot of episodes to go, but it's been an honor to sit down with

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you every few weeks for three years now.

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Absolutely.

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Still going strong.

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I remember when you first asked me to just like talk about a movie for like 15 minutes

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on Instagram Live, I was like, oh yeah, that sounds fun.

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And I didn't know what the future would hold.

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It's been a pleasure ever since.

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Absolutely.

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And you know, you know, listeners, you're part of that too.

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And me and Matt, we're going to talk about season five plans here in a little bit.

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But we want to thank you all for listening.

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Week in, week out.

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Please rate and review Camp Kaiju wherever you listen to this show.

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Only five.

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Five stars only allowed.

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I rule with an iron fist.

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So please check out our website for the what else at campkaijupodcast.com.

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We got a whole lot of stuff going on there every week.

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five dollars a month, you can support me and Matt and all our guest hosts.

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And you all are paying for the zoom and the post-production.

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And it really means a lot for keeping the quality of this show to the level it's at.

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So thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Happy Thanksgiving to everybody.

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How many times can we say thank you in this episode?

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Yeah, that's the theme of the episode.

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Giving thanks.

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Thanks to our patrons.

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Thanks to monster movies.

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Thanks to a lot of other things.

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It's that time of the year.

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Have you ever seen the movie Thanksgiving, which just came out a couple of years ago,

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maybe last year even.

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I can't remember when it came out.

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The horror movie.

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Did you say Thanksgiving?

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That's a great name, but I think it's just called Thanksgiving.

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The Eli Roth movie that came out like a year or two ago.

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No, I'm just curious.

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I don't know if it's a monster movie, but it's definitely like a very gory, violent

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slasher movie.

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And I've heard mixed things about it.

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I kind of want to see it.

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Well, listeners, let us know.

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Yeah, I threw it out there.

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Maybe I'll try to watch it before our next episode.

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Speaking of holiday monster movies, though, we do have Gremlins coming up in December.

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A nice classic Christmas horror monster movie there.

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But before we talk about the future, let's talk about the past.

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Since last time, we had Sean Pryor, the author of Kaiju Unleashed on our show.

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Folks, please listen to that episode.

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Matt, what I mean, that was that was a really fun conversation.

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It was.

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It was a lot of fun.

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Sean is just like such a pleasure to talk to.

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He obviously loves Kaiju movies, loves monster movies and is very knowledgeable about them.

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Very, you know, just fun to talk to.

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And his book, Kaiju Unleashed, is really beautiful.

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So much fun for anybody who loves monster movies.

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So it was it was a great talk and a very, very cool book for sure.

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So, listeners, you can listen to that episode and check out links to the book in that episode's

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A bit of a bit of a downer since last time, we had a couple of monster movie actors pass

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away.

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First and foremost, Tony Todd, who starred in Candyman, passed away.

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And that was that was a loss to the horror movie community.

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I was just thinking earlier today or maybe it was yesterday, like we have to bring Candyman

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I've wanted to for a long time.

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And I mean, Tony Todd brings so much gravity.

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You know, certainly he's scary, but it's more than just, you know, being scary in those

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movies.

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There's so much history, you know, racial history, political history, social history

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to those movies.

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Tony Todd is like synonymous with that character.

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Rest in peace to him.

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We have to bring Candyman to the podcast, if only to honor him sometime soon.

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Couldn't agree more.

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I'm very excited.

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I haven't seen that movie.

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So if if it indeed makes an appearance at camp, I will not complain about that one.

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And there are it's like a whole franchise and like maybe not the best horror franchise

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out there, but at least the first two.

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And I would say the remake from a couple of years ago are all pretty great, in my opinion.

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Well, Jonathan Hayes also died.

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And if that name doesn't mean anything to you, this you will you will recognize.

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He played Seymour in the original Little Shop of Horrors, directed by Roger Corman.

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Jonathan Hayes was in his 90s.

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Just rest in peace.

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A long career, long life and a classic of the genre.

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This month, we are looking at some movies released in November.

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Well, you know, one of the movies on this list we're going to talk about, I'm sure,

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in our upcoming episode, but we'll get more to that shortly here.

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The other one that all highlights right now is Onibaba, a Japanese movie that came out

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in November of 1964.

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So 60 years ago, they're about really great Japanese new way of horror movie.

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It's set in kind of like feudal historical times in Japan.

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This kind of like a cursed demon mask.

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That's a big part of the plot.

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But it's also kind of a political commentary on where Japan was at in the early 60s and

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kind of after World War Two in general.

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I love Japanese new way of horror movies.

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Onibaba is one of the best.

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Definitely check it out if you haven't seen it.

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I I'm so excited about that.

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I haven't checked it out, but I see it on all these lists.

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Yeah, I will one day for sure.

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Classic by Keneto Shindo, a really great Japanese horror director.

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That's amazing.

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Another Japanese film I'm going to shout out is from 2004 released in November.

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Godzilla Final Wars is the last film of the Millennium era.

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And Toho really went out with a bang.

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It's a monster mash through and through.

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It's really shot at a frenetic pace.

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The editing is like, you know, an action movie from the 2000s.

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So it's like to to to to to to.

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But there's martial arts, there's alien invaders, have almost every kaiju from the previous

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franchise.

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History makes an appearance in the film.

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It's a lot.

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And it's a really cool movie.

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It sounds awesome.

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Yeah, I I like the few Millennium era movies that I've seen, but I really have to explore

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them a lot more.

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So maybe that'll be the next one on my list.

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Would recommend awesome.

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Coming up in 2025.

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I did not know this, but 28 years later is coming out.

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I did not know that until right now, until I saw your show notes for tonight.

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That's exciting news.

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I like the first two movies in that in that series a lot.

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So I'm looking forward to it.

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And I think Killian Murphy is even returning.

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Oh, good.

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Because I don't think he was in the second one, but he was great in the first one, of

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course.

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Do you know is Danny Boyle going to direct it?

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Are you do you know?

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He might be actually.

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I think they're getting the band back together.

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Awesome.

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Because now Killian Murphy is an A list actor more than ever.

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Totally.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It looks like Danny Boyle is directing it.

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It does look like Killian Murphy is in it and Aaron Taylor Johnson as well.

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Written by Alex.

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Oh, wait.

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Co written with Alex Garland.

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All right.

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It sounds pretty cool.

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Sweet.

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The next one that's coming out.

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I couldn't believe this.

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There's talks of an idle hands remake.

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Idle Hands is a cult film film from the 90s with Seth Green.

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It's a stoner comedy about one of them loses their hand and the hand is possessed by the

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devil and goes on a killing spree.

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But Finn Wolfhard from Stranger Things is apparently really into producing a remake

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of this movie.

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I sort of you know, the original is fun.

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I like it.

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I don't know if it's really like worthy of a remake, but we'll see.

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I mean, it's kind of a cool idea.

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Yeah, it's like, you know, you wouldn't remake Casablanca.

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Why would you remake Idle Hands?

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Yeah, exactly.

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They're at the same level.

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Pretty much those two movies.

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You've been talking about how you want to like explore more killer hand movies on the

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podcast.

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It's an underrated genre, so I'm actually here for it.

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But we'll see.

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We'll see if it gets made.

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Yeah, an underrated genre with a lot of bad movies in it.

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Our next episode, we'll be bringing back guest star Frank Olson.

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All you Frankaholics out there will recognize Frank from previous episodes.

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He talked about Porco Rosso with us.

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Rodin several years ago, he joined us for that episode.

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So this time he'll be joining us to talk about Attack the Block, which I'm really excited

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about that only came out maybe like 12 years ago, but I haven't seen it.

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And I feel like it's already become kind of like a monster movie classic in its own way.

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So really excited to have Frank on the podcast for that one.

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It's been too long.

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It's been too long for all us Frankaholics.

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I need my drink.

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And then a season five announcement slash holiday party.

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It's been two years since our last holiday party.

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So we're going to have some fun.

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We're going to drink some eggnog.

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We're going to have some monster movie trivia.

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And I'd like to invite officially all of our patrons and guest hosts who appeared on season

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four.

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So if you're listening to this and that describes you, be on the lookout for an invite through

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Patreon and your emails.

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This should just be fun.

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That will announce what we're going to talk about for the first six months of 2025.

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Yeah, I'm really excited for the next season.

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And it's always fun to like, you know, discover what you're bringing to the podcast because

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we never talked about it beforehand.

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So it's really exciting for me too to hear what you're going to bring to it.

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So it should be a lot of fun.

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Now I got to think.

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I know.

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Yeah, I have a long list in my head.

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What makes the cut?

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Well speaking of Godzilla minus one, we're going to talk about our personal histories

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with this film.

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We're going to get into the production history of the film.

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We're going to hear from Peter Laurie.

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We're going to have Naomi Osborne on the show later on where she's going to hit us with

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some great trivia.

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And then we're going to talk about the themes and wrap up the show with our personal reviews

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and whether or not Godzilla minus one stands the test of time.

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Yeah.

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Even though it only came out last year, it's already gained quite a reputation.

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So a lot a lot to pick apart there.

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OK.

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Speaking of then, what's your history with this film?

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Well I saw it in theaters when it came out about a year ago in like November, I believe,

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of 2023.

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Very acclaimed.

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Like, you know, there was a lot of like advanced buzz about it.

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So I was really excited about it.

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Saw it in theaters.

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I don't want to give away too many spoilers, but I can understand why it is so beloved

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already.

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And yet I there is a slight feeling of disappointment for me around this movie.

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But that's all I'll say at this point.

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I did not get to see it last year.

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It was it came out the weekend of my daughter's birth.

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So I will always let her know that she kept me from seeing Godzilla minus one in the cinemas.

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That's an awesome story, though.

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I mean, like that's, you know, always going to be the story of her birth.

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It was Godzilla minus one weekend.

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It's probably better to say that it was the weekend of your daughter's birth and not Godzilla

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minus one weekend.

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But still auspicious timing there.

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Definitely like happy birthday.

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It's been X number of years since Godzilla minus one came out.

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Yeah, exactly.

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You'll give her a Godzilla minus one themed present every year for her birthday.

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Never forget.

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Yeah.

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But I did finally see Godzilla minus one just this past week.

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I know it came out to streaming over the summer.

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I just didn't get around to it.

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I've been building the suspense and I finally watched it.

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And you know, I don't think it's a spoiler to say that I also get what the hype is all

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about.

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And I will probably gush over this movie more than I ought to, but I can't help it.

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Cool.

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Nice.

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That's good to hear.

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It's been re-released in theaters several times since then.

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Like there was a black and white version in early 2024.

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And then I think it was just re-released a couple of weeks ago in honor of the 70th anniversary

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of the original Godzilla.

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So this movie's out there.

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It's pretty easy to see.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Oh, yeah.

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Um, select crew on this film.

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We got to lead off with the with Takashi Yamazaki.

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He was the director, the writer, and the lead visual effects supervisor on this film.

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He has a bit of a pedigree.

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He's a leading figure in the Japanese film industry.

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And we're going to talk more about him in the production backstory.

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Aiding him in Godzilla minus one is the cinematographer, Kozo Shibasaki.

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And we have music by Naoki Sato with samples from Akira Ifukubei's iconic Godzilla theme

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from Gojira, as well as themes from Mothra versus Godzilla and King Kong versus Godzilla.

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So if you know your Ifukubei, Godzilla minus one is a bit of a treat.

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You're going to be like, oh, that's the Mothra theme.

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And it's nice.

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Best part of the movie, in my opinion.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So I have to admit, I don't know a lot about these actors, but we'll still go through the

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cast here real quick.

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We have Ryu Nozaki Kamiki as Koichi Shikishima, a former kamikaze pilot.

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I did read that he did a lot of voice acting for Hayao Miyazaki movies like Spirited Away

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and Howl's Moving Castle.

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So I might have heard his voice a long time ago.

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Godzilla minus one also stars Minami Hamabe as Noriko Oishi, Shikishima's girlfriend,

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although he never really calls her his girlfriend or wife or whatever.

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It's relation.

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What is it?

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The situation ship?

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I guess that's what it is.

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The film also stars Yuki Yamada as Shiro Mizushima, a young crewman aboard the Shinsaimaru, which

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is the mine sweeping boat that they go on to sweep mines after World War Two.

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The film also stars Munetaka Aoki as Sosaku Tachibana, a former Navy Air Service mechanic.

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Hidetaka Yoshioka as Kenji Noda, a former naval weapons engineer.

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He has a really wonderful presence.

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I don't really recognize him from any other movies that I've seen, but he's great in this

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movie, I think.

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And then finally, we have Sakura Ando as Sumiko Ota, Shikishima's neighbor.

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I know that at the same time she was filming this movie, she did the movie Monster with

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Hirokazu Koreda.

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I really love Koreda's movies.

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I haven't actually seen Monster, but I did recognize Sakura Ando in this movie as well.

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But yeah, I know several of those cast members have been in a lot of Japanese blockbusters

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and other kind of TV series and kaiju films, but I have to admit, I'm not super familiar

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with them.

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I will say that I enjoyed the cast of this film.

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I found it to be...

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I found that the actors and the characters had a lot of chemistry and it was the ensemble

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of this film actually made me think that out of all the Godzilla movies I've seen, these

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might be the best human characters.

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Maybe that's just me, but I found them funny and charming and I feel like they just worked

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really well off each other.

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Yeah, agreed.

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Yeah.

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There are things I don't like about some of the characters and there are things I don't

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like about the dialogue, but I don't think that's due to the performers.

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I think the cast members all do a really, really good job.

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Sure.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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All right.

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Nothing the screen has ever shown before can surpass the thrills of Geek and the Beast.

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Geedra, the three-headed monster.

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Geedra, the three-headed monster, battles Godzilla, Mothra, and Rotan for mastery of

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the world.

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Men quake before the terror of their unleashed fury.

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All new, all never to be forgotten, a new high in screen terror.

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Geedra, the three-headed monster.

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A remote Pacific island where an expedition of world-famous scientists investigate incredible

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rumors of its fantastic mysteries and discover barren volcanic mountains surrounding strange

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green valleys.

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Mammoth caves that breed giant mutations.

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Rare plants that devour humans.

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But most astounding of all, the tiniest women in all creation.

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Sacred beauties of a lost tribe which worships a monstrous creature.

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What is the secret of Mothra?

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What is the bizarre spell that awakens Mothra?

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As these doll-sized girls call to the super god from captivity.

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Mothra, whose revenge is more devastating than any man-made weapon.

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Mothra, who defies warplanes.

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Sterects ocean liners.

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Smashes dams and bridges.

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Mothra, creating hurricanes.

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Mothra, enveloped in a shell that no human force can penetrate.

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Mothra, indestructible, all-powerful, indescribable.

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What kind of creature is this god-monster Mothra?

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So following 2016's Shin Godzilla, which was a smash for Toho, execs knew they wanted

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a follow-up.

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They, however, were contractually unable to make their own Godzilla movie because at

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this point they had entered into a business partnership with Legendary Pictures and Warner

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Brothers in the United States.

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And Warner Brothers and Legendary were doing their monster-verse thing.

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So Toho was unable to make their own Godzilla movie until 2020.

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And when that year came around, they absolutely greenlit this next project, which was not

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initially widely known to be a Godzilla movie.

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But they did tap Takashi Yamazaki for the project.

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While this is his first Godzilla movie, and coincidentally he is now helming the sequel

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follow-up to Godzilla Minus One, but before Godzilla Minus One he had made two previous

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projects featuring the Godzilla character.

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A 2007 movie called Always Sunset on Third Street 2, which has a dream sequence in which

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Godzilla appears, and then a motion simulation theme park ride called Godzilla the Ride Giant

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Monsters Ultimate Battle that Yamazaki made.

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We absolutely have to go to that ride outside of Tokyo.

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It's on my bucket list now.

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Welcome to Japan.

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Where is Godzilla the Ride, please?

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I wonder...

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Well, maybe Naomi can tell us because she was in Tokyo recently, but I imagine they

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probably have more than one, but I could be wrong.

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I mean, also, like probably licensing is very strict, so who knows?

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Yeah.

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But this particular one, Godzilla the Ride Giant Monsters Ultimate Battle, I mean, how

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can you resist that name?

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It sounds awesome.

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And the design of Godzilla in Godzilla Minus One is a variation on that Godzilla from that

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ride.

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Which I think is like based on like the kind of old suitmation look, although it like obviously

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looks different with like digital effects and everything, but I think that was kind

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of the inspiration.

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And you can kind of see it in Godzilla Minus One with like the lumbering sort of like bottom

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heavy look of the monster, you know?

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So yeah, I mean, if it's that way in the ride too, I'm sure that would be very, very cool

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to see.

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Yeah.

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So Yamazaki took three years to write the movie beginning in 2019.

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It wasn't initially planned to take that long, but pre-production paused during COVID and

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Yamazaki's screenplay was influenced by the lack of faith in the government's handling

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of the crisis.

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It also kind of led to a longer pre-production process, so he had a longer time to work on

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the screenplay.

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He always wanted to make the film a period piece.

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He did not want to invite contrasts with Shin Godzilla, the very popular 2016 movie, which

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is set in modern times.

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So that was something that Yamazaki wanted to do all along.

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He had made previous films set in post-war Japan, including The Eternal Zero, which also

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involved a kamikaze pilot.

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So that's familiar subject matter for Yamazaki.

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And I know in the past, he said things about how, you know, I don't know how much we should

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hold him to his word, but he's kind of said like, Godzilla movies, you know, to pay homage

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to the original should be set in that kind of post-war era.

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So I think he's trying to tip his hat in that way as well.

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In 2022, the unspecified kaiju film that he was working on was revealed to be this Godzilla

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movie.

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A considerable influence on it was Godzilla Mothra King Ghidorah Giant Monsters All-Out

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Attack from 2001, which Vincent and I have talked about in the podcast recently.

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Yamazaki said that that is one of his favorite Godzilla films, and that one also involved

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Japan's reckoning with its role in World War II.

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The digital aspect of Godzilla, Yamazaki is quoted as saying, it allowed for much more

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detail than was possible with any type of handcrafted version.

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So we were able to increase the resolution of the scales, for example, and make them

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feel really, really sharp and give it this aggressive texture.

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And in terms of the bottom half of Godzilla, we made it feel very heavy and dense in a

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way that made the viewer feel like this mountain and triangular silhouette was walking and

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moving through a space.

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I don't have a strong opinion either way on how I feel about Godzilla's movement in this

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movie.

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I feel like, and I'm just getting into a little bit of review here, I like the idea of him

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being so lumbering as depicted in this film, because there's a great, it's like an animal

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this large would move that way, and there's a tremendous amount of power behind that.

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But at the same time, I felt like the effects came off stilted and almost like, is this

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a computer?

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This is a computer graphic.

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It's not moving as gracefully as I would like it to.

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I can't really explain it, but there was something there that was a little off for me.

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Interesting.

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I feel like you and I slightly disagree about this movie, which is great.

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I love it when that happens, but I feel like the visual effects are actually sort of by

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far my favorite part of this movie.

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I think Godzilla kind of seems like a predator lying in wait in this movie, and I think there

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are some really scary images, especially when he's swimming after the ships towards the

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end, and we just see the top of his head and his eyes glaring at you.

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And I do like the kind of tribute to the Suit Nation, guy in a suit original look of the

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original Godzilla.

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And I also think that when Godzilla sort of like charges up his heat ray in this movie

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and like we just see him like slowly kind of arches back and like the fins start to

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light up, I those are my favorite parts of this movie pretty much.

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So I do understand what you're saying, but but I'm OK with it.

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I do.

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I think the design of Godzilla in this film is very effective.

490
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:54,040
I do too.

491
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:55,040
What?

492
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,240
Sorry, what I meant was just in those moments where he is walking lumbering.

493
00:28:58,240 --> 00:28:59,240
Gotcha.

494
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:06,760
But I am I agree with you completely, and I think the visual effects are are way more

495
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:14,960
seamless than I expected almost like I find the effects extremely well done in this movie.

496
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:15,960
Yeah.

497
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,000
And more so than in Shin Godzilla.

498
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:22,000
I actually would say that I like the movie Shin Godzilla more than Godzilla minus one.

499
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:27,320
But some of the CGI and Shin Godzilla is like a little bit unconvincing.

500
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,840
And it's you're right, like you use the word seamless.

501
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:34,840
That's totally accurate to describe the visual effects in Godzilla minus one.

502
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:36,840
Yeah.

503
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:41,800
So speaking of the visual effects, the big talking point of this movie is how good those

504
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:46,400
effects are on the budget that this film had.

505
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:52,680
So reportedly, the budget was between 10 and 15 million dollars.

506
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,680
For comparison.

507
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,880
I mean, I'm pulling these numbers out of my butt, so their estimates.

508
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,680
But like your average Marvel movie.

509
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,600
Hundreds of millions of dollars.

510
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:11,800
And like the 2014 Godzilla, the American version by Gareth Edwards, that's his name, right?

511
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:12,800
Yeah.

512
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,720
I think that had a budget of like 150 million at least something like that.

513
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:20,880
I'm going to look at 150 million and Godzilla minus one.

514
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:22,440
Fifteen.

515
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:23,440
One five.

516
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:27,400
Right, man, it's I mean, you can read a lot into that.

517
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:31,080
And I know there was some controversy like, oh, was the visual effects team like overworked

518
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:32,360
on Godzilla minus one?

519
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,200
I don't think there's actually any evidence to support that theory.

520
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:39,720
It's just like, how did they how does it look so good on such a small budget?

521
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:44,160
You know, and I think the answer is that it's so carefully interwoven into the story.

522
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,440
Like that helps so much, you know.

523
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:47,920
Yeah, absolutely.

524
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:53,360
Oh, we're getting there's a there's a I recently watched a video.

525
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:54,680
A video of Tom Hanks.

526
00:30:54,680 --> 00:31:00,120
He was in a recent interview on TikTok or something.

527
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:06,960
Anyways, he talked about and I'm paraphrasing, like you can make a monster destroy Chicago

528
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:15,280
or fill Lake Michigan with cuckoo clocks like visual effects allows us to do anything we

529
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,000
can imagine.

530
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,840
But what's the story?

531
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:27,280
His point is, it doesn't matter how how much money you spend on your effects or like whatever

532
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:32,360
you do, if it's not in support of your story.

533
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:33,360
Who cares?

534
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:34,360
It's boring.

535
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:35,360
We've all seen it before.

536
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,120
Like, the imagination is lost in that aspect.

537
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:44,480
So Tom Hanks is actually arguing that stories becoming more important to audiences.

538
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,240
Since the digital revolution, which I love.

539
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,240
And I see that in Godzilla minus one.

540
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:56,200
I see these effects supporting the grander human story.

541
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,880
And I think that's the key to its success.

542
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,040
Yeah, I totally agree.

543
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,440
In my opinion, the movie with the best visual effects of all time is Jurassic Park, which

544
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,840
is from the early 90s before CGI really got all that advanced.

545
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:13,280
And it's for that reason, you know, like the again, the effects are so like, carefully

546
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:14,560
interwoven in the story.

547
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:18,440
It's mostly about the story and the characters and the setting and all that.

548
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:23,320
That's why it still works so well 30 years later, you know.

549
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,200
Story people.

550
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:34,480
So Godzilla minus one was released in Japan in November 2023 and in North America in November.

551
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:40,240
It won eight Japanese Academy Film Prizes and Best Visual Effects at the 96 Academy

552
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,240
Awards.

553
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:47,740
And you know, I mean, like its legacy, I feel like has already been pretty firmly entrenched.

554
00:32:47,740 --> 00:32:50,560
Like a lot of people say it's the best Godzilla movie ever.

555
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:54,940
Steven Spielberg said that he saw it three times and was obsessed with it.

556
00:32:54,940 --> 00:32:59,480
You know, there are a lot a lot more examples, but just broke box office records.

557
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:04,280
It's yeah, this has already become like such a huge smash success.

558
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:09,040
Thanks for bringing up the Spielberg point, because I did read a number of noted like

559
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,360
Hollywood.

560
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:17,160
You know, blockbuster kings really praised Yamazaki and just like gave credit where it

561
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:18,160
was due.

562
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:23,760
And I just love that idea of, you know, colleagues in the business cheering for each other.

563
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:24,760
Totally.

564
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:25,760
Yeah.

565
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,280
And Yamazaki said that Spielberg was a big influence on him in the making of this movie.

566
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:32,560
And you can see the influence of Jaws definitely in this in Godzilla minus one.

567
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:33,840
Almost a little too much.

568
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,800
Yeah, I think so too.

569
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:36,800
But it's charming.

570
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:37,800
I like that.

571
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,840
Homage slash ripoff, whatever you want to call it.

572
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,320
So Matt, I will have criticism.

573
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:49,000
Yeah, I I might have more than you, but we'll see.

574
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,000
We'll find out.

575
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,000
That's all right.

576
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,680
I don't want you to go easy on this movie.

577
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,880
Also I'm nervous to do so, though, because so many people love it.

578
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,840
So I feel like I should be somewhat reserved in my criticisms.

579
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,160
But we'll get we'll get to that soon.

580
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:02,160
Yeah.

581
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:06,600
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582
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586
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587
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Become a patron and your comments are tops.

589
00:34:32,720 --> 00:34:39,160
Well, I have one here from a patron, Sean, on Instagram.

590
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:44,160
I posted on our story, I posted a question.

591
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,680
What's your history with Godzilla minus one?

592
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:54,000
And Sean says, if Godzilla minus one was in real life, the world would know no peace.

593
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:55,000
OK.

594
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,040
Yeah, it seems accurate.

595
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:01,360
I suppose you could say that about a lot of Kaiju movies, but certainly this one in particular.

596
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,300
You know, Sean, you always give us something to chew on.

597
00:35:03,300 --> 00:35:04,640
So I appreciate that.

598
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,480
Come to our holiday party, please, Sean.

599
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,640
We'd love to have you and hype up your own podcast.

600
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:21,440
So thanks for the support.

601
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,120
A happy Thanksgiving to Peter Laurie.

602
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:25,120
Yeah.

603
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:29,000
What is he thankful for these days?

604
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:33,680
He's thankful that he only has two more episodes left and then he's going right back to the

605
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,600
spirit world from whence he came.

606
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:43,160
I'm thankful that his movie reviews about the silent era are so good, so insightful and

607
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:48,660
so well delivered that finally he will be liberated from his earthly prison where he's

608
00:35:48,660 --> 00:35:50,720
forced to give movie reviews on our behalf.

609
00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:55,280
You know, it's a terrible fate, but we did force him to do this.

610
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,160
So we are culpable in this.

611
00:35:58,160 --> 00:35:59,380
But he forgives us.

612
00:35:59,380 --> 00:36:00,380
We forgive him.

613
00:36:00,380 --> 00:36:04,900
We're going to spread with Mr. Laurie this week.

614
00:36:04,900 --> 00:36:06,840
Happy Thanksgiving to Mr. Laurie.

615
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:12,760
Happy Thanksgiving, Peter.

616
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:19,720
Before Karloff and Lugosi stopped the screens, the movies were no less monstrous.

617
00:36:19,720 --> 00:36:26,800
These frightful figures lurked in the expressionistic shadows and danced in the macabre moonlight.

618
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,040
Oh, they laughed.

619
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:30,040
They cried.

620
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:35,040
They, they fooled the sensibilities of honest, decent folk.

621
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:42,040
In the age of silent pictures, these gruesome ghouls nonetheless cried out, for the savage

622
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:47,840
humanity took the breath from all who witnessed their devilish delights.

623
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:56,840
For in the silence, no one can hear you scream.

624
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:04,040
Oh, Pierre, that is a funny joke.

625
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:08,640
No, no, no, no, no, you are right, my little furry friend.

626
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,680
He does sound like that.

627
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:16,640
Oh, I had no idea you were such a gifted impressionist and jokester.

628
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:22,120
Perhaps, perhaps you would like to take the lead on this week's segment.

629
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,440
No, I know it is my sworn obligation.

630
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:31,960
I just, I want to let you know that you could do it if you so chose.

631
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:37,280
Perhaps after I return to my beloved box in the ground, Matthew and Vincent will recognize

632
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:41,160
you for the supreme audio talent that you are.

633
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:47,120
Yes, Pierre, yes, embrace your inner podcaster.

634
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,360
Show the bastards on the outside what you are made of.

635
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:58,480
By all means, the microphone beckons and the floor is yours.

636
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:20,280
Oh, Pierre, that, that was, that was not appropriate to what you said there at the end.

637
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:27,920
They are now, now our friends, so, so please, please allow me this second take and perhaps

638
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:35,480
Matthew and Vincent will be none the wiser.

639
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:40,320
Welcome to Silent But Deadly, I am your host, Peter Lorre.

640
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:47,680
You may know me from such movies as 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea and The Verdict.

641
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:55,280
This week I bring you the 1923 Universal Monster movie The Hunchback of Notre Dame starring

642
00:38:55,280 --> 00:39:01,320
Hollywood legend Juan Cheney known as the man of a thousand faces for his prowess with

643
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:05,000
make-up and physical transformations.

644
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:14,200
Now, this movie is based on the 1831 novel by Victor Hugo and it tells an interwoven

645
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:20,040
story of love, loneliness and mad jealousy.

646
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:24,960
Cheney stars as the titular hunchback named Quasimodo.

647
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:30,360
Cheney's make-up for Quasimodo has become legendary in its own right with the prosthetic

648
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:37,860
hump and the milky white eye and the toadless grin and the physical contortions remaining

649
00:39:37,860 --> 00:39:40,560
incredible sights to behold.

650
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:46,200
The movie truly established Cheney as a star and is credited with being the first monster

651
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:51,600
movie in the renowned canon of Universal horrors.

652
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:57,760
The trade publication Harrison's Report reported after the release of the movie that

653
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:04,880
The Hunchback of Notre Dame is a two-hour nightmare, its murder is hideous and repulsive.

654
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:10,400
What makes this production a piece of art however is the work of Mr. Cheney, the pedigree,

655
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:16,120
the characters, the king of the beggars, the mob scenes, the love story all impress one.

656
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:21,320
But the one thing that will stand out in one's memory is Quasimodo.

657
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:25,560
Mr. Cheney's work will live in the memory of when all else has faded away.

658
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:33,000
The Hunchback of Notre Dame is an accomplishment of which any producer should feel proud.

659
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:39,800
This hapless podcasting movie critic happens to agree.

660
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:46,200
Next time on Silent But Deadly we will revisit one more Lon Chaney picture, a weird crime

661
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:51,960
thriller directed by Todd Browning called The Unholy Three.

662
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,840
And sweet unholy Moses Pierre put down that awful weapon.

663
00:40:55,840 --> 00:41:00,320
My goodness gracious where did you ever get such a large cleaver?

664
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:06,280
No Pierre I did not mean to insult you before, I just, you just, you just need to practice

665
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:07,280
a little.

666
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,280
No, no, do not come any closer.

667
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:42,640
See these prehistoric beasts emerge from the bowels of the earth after 200 million years

668
00:41:42,640 --> 00:42:04,400
to devastate mankind.

669
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:08,560
Heavy jets cannot catch him.

670
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:20,360
Buckets cannot stop him.

671
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:30,720
Armored tanks are helpless before him.

672
00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:37,320
Unguided missiles are powerless.

673
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:41,840
Sea Rodin destroy a modern city, leveling it to the earth with a killing airstream of

674
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:57,320
his mighty wings.

675
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:03,360
Nothing can stop him.

676
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:25,520
Nothing escapes this monstrous beast of evil.

677
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:29,240
Naomi Osborne, welcome.

678
00:43:29,240 --> 00:43:31,160
How are you guys?

679
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:32,160
Pretty good.

680
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:33,160
How are you?

681
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:34,160
Good, good.

682
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,320
I just got off of an airplane, but I'm doing well.

683
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,960
I was in Las Vegas for work over the weekend.

684
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:41,960
So.

685
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:42,960
Wow.

686
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,400
And you were in New York before that, right?

687
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:46,640
Yes, yes.

688
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,120
Also for work and play.

689
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:54,920
In a lot of October I was in New York for first New York Comic Con and then I stayed

690
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:59,600
a week after for Brooklyn Horror Film Festival, which was super fun.

691
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:00,600
Yeah.

692
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:06,000
Being in a place like that, it just would be so it'd be hard not to just be doing something

693
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:07,200
every single night.

694
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:12,760
You know, like there's just so many good screenings and so many cool theaters and events.

695
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:17,040
And I even got to play some horror trivia, which was super fun because I never get to

696
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:18,040
play.

697
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,440
So that was really, really fun.

698
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:21,440
Nice.

699
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:22,440
That's awesome.

700
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:23,440
Sounds busy, but exciting.

701
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:24,440
Yeah, it sure was.

702
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:25,440
It absolutely was.

703
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:32,520
And you know, I definitely thought of you guys and this episode coming up, because when

704
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:39,040
I was at New York Comic Con, I was able to go to a panel with Takashi Yamazaki that was

705
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:44,760
called Godzilla versus New York Comic Con, 70 years of the King of the Monsters.

706
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:50,240
So like it just worked out so wonderfully to be able to sit there and just like soak

707
00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:52,840
it up and hear from the man himself.

708
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,160
You know, like, oh, it was so cool.

709
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:57,160
What was he like?

710
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,360
What was the atmosphere?

711
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,760
He was really friendly and really humble.

712
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,560
I had a great sense of humor.

713
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,320
The panel was absolutely packed.

714
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:11,240
It was the only one I went to that had like people standing.

715
00:45:11,240 --> 00:45:15,160
There wasn't even enough chairs for the amount of people that wanted to go.

716
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,940
And it was just him and a translator.

717
00:45:18,940 --> 00:45:25,520
And it was a mixture of, you know, kind of just clips that honor the heritage of Godzilla.

718
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:29,780
Some questions that I think were already kind of pre-prepared.

719
00:45:29,780 --> 00:45:36,080
And then he even gave time for people to ask their own questions about the film.

720
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:41,040
But he was just super gracious and had a lot of good things to say.

721
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:42,040
It was really funny.

722
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:48,920
You know, he talked about his cat a lot and how that really influenced the look of Godzilla.

723
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:55,920
And then when we left, he gave everybody a poster that he designed that was for the theatrical

724
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,080
re-release on November 1st.

725
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,640
So but it was just really cool.

726
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:02,640
Little memento from it.

727
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:06,320
And I was just so happy to to be there.

728
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,320
Yeah, that's that's incredible.

729
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:10,320
You're living the dream.

730
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:14,880
You go into Japan, you're seeing Godzilla, you go into New York and you're seeing Godzilla.

731
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:15,880
That's amazing.

732
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:20,760
I feel like Vincent and I have to do a much better job of touring and go into these conventions

733
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:24,000
and everything because you're getting all the inside intel, you know?

734
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:25,000
Yeah.

735
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,600
No, I thought about you guys would have been you would have gotten more out of it even

736
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:29,600
than I did.

737
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,560
I was just so happy to be there.

738
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:37,200
But having gone to Japan twice this year and went going to that panel, I just felt kind

739
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:44,840
of like uniquely equipped and excited for this for writing this question and talking

740
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:46,480
you guys about it.

741
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,960
Oh, can't wait to hear it.

742
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,960
Before we get into that, what are your thoughts on Godzilla minus one?

743
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,280
Well, it was really fun to watch it.

744
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,280
I actually watched it twice leading up to this one.

745
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:02,880
I saw it first in the theaters, but I was very curious to kind of see what that minus

746
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:07,560
color cut was like and what that would feel like because I hadn't heard about that until

747
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:08,560
recently.

748
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:14,640
But something that really struck me with it was I really appreciated the long shot of

749
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:16,480
Godzilla.

750
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:22,240
And it really reminded me of like a nature documentary, how the filmmakers sort of set

751
00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:27,880
that up to where you can look and appreciate the subject, which would be Godzilla in this

752
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:28,880
moment.

753
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:34,640
And it's not kind of given the normal horror treatment of just quick cuts and kind of,

754
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,400
you know, less is more sort of.

755
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,520
So to me, that that was just really, really cool.

756
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:45,160
And I think it kind of underscored a lot of the emotions that you feel when you're watching

757
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:46,160
that.

758
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,560
I thought it was really great.

759
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:49,560
Agreed.

760
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:50,560
For sure.

761
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:51,560
Yeah.

762
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:57,840
I'm excited to see kind of how this felt, how much it resonated with people, even just

763
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:04,520
kind of everyday non nerds, non kaiju people and see, you know, what happens in the future

764
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:11,600
and how a franchise like this that is seven decades old can get this kind of like breath

765
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:12,600
of fresh air.

766
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:16,960
And, you know, even my mom liked this movie, you know, that kind of thing.

767
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,320
I just thought it was really great in that way.

768
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:25,520
I really something I liked about they talked about was, you know, so often on film sets,

769
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,760
people have their kind of lanes that they stick in.

770
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:34,600
And he's just so talented, you know, as a director or writer, like the effects, like

771
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,640
he just considers it all to be part of the same thing.

772
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:39,840
Like it's all filmmaking, he said.

773
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:41,360
And I just thought that was so cool.

774
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:46,800
And, you know, he said that it gives him like more appreciation for what other people do,

775
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:51,560
too, because, you know, he he would look at a script and be like, what kind of writer

776
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,520
would expect, you know, an effects person to pull this off?

777
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,440
Like, ha ha ha, that was him.

778
00:48:56,440 --> 00:49:00,680
And I like so he just kind of can see all sides of that process.

779
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:02,280
It's pretty cool.

780
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:09,640
You know, the more movies I watch, the more I appreciate those who truly understand, like

781
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:11,040
the craft of it.

782
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:18,320
It's just like not everyone can do that and and not everyone can do that at that level.

783
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:24,320
So no, absolutely to win an Oscar and to to just be that that creative and that talented

784
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,760
like is is kind of unbelievable.

785
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,400
It's so cool.

786
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:32,200
And you can tell, like he just radiates that he loves what he does.

787
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,320
And it's really neat to see that.

788
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:38,840
And the the vibe was very joyful.

789
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:44,240
And it was just honestly such a pleasure to to see people watching that and enjoying him

790
00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:45,240
talk and.

791
00:49:45,240 --> 00:49:48,240
It was so cool.

792
00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:49,240
I really enjoyed it.

793
00:49:49,240 --> 00:49:52,840
And hearing a Japanese perspective on it, too, was also very interesting.

794
00:49:52,840 --> 00:50:00,840
He talked about how he feels that there's almost let's see what there's a quote.

795
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:07,040
There's a concept in Japan called Tartari Gami, which means spirits that bring calamity.

796
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:10,400
So they're good gods and bad gods and Godzilla.

797
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,940
He's half monster, but he's also kind of half of a god.

798
00:50:13,940 --> 00:50:18,000
And I think that that's somewhat interesting because he's somewhat like a force of nature

799
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:19,320
in that regard.

800
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:25,920
And it's definitely a sort of Japanese point of view that some gods are malevolent and

801
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:27,800
you know, not all of them are good.

802
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:31,080
And I thought that that was interesting because I never really thought about that.

803
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:35,200
You know, I always just kind of thought about him as, you know, a dinosaur or something

804
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,760
that was affected by, you know, something manmade.

805
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:46,000
But to think about a sort of like spirituality to him makes him even more scary and more

806
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:47,440
of a force.

807
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:48,440
Yeah.

808
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,400
I love that aspect, too.

809
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:59,120
And the original Godzilla, you know, you're hearing the locals on this island, Odo Island,

810
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:04,680
talk about their god, their sea god, Gojira.

811
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:06,720
So that elements in there, too.

812
00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:13,880
Yeah, I love thinking about the geographic, like, like, just having been in Japan and

813
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:19,880
been in Okinawa and knowing what a big aspect the Pacific Ocean plays in every aspect of

814
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:21,860
their culture and life.

815
00:51:21,860 --> 00:51:26,280
And just seeing like that knowing that that's like where Godzilla came from.

816
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:30,660
And he's seen as somewhat of a force, like a natural force of sorts, you know, much like

817
00:51:30,660 --> 00:51:33,560
a tsunami or hurricane would be.

818
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:37,760
I thought that was really interesting and really cool.

819
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:41,800
I think we kind of see that in Godzilla minus one when he does kind of die at the end, although

820
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:45,720
he's not, you know, permanently dead, the end implies.

821
00:51:45,720 --> 00:51:50,320
But like, you know, after he after he's blown up, after his head is blown up, basically,

822
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:53,520
like all the like military men salute him.

823
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,080
And they're probably saluting Koichi a little bit as well.

824
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,840
But I just thought that was a really, really good touch, you know?

825
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:00,120
Yeah, absolutely.

826
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:01,120
I agree.

827
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:07,480
And, you know, just thinking about the regenerative nature or aspect of nature, too, you know,

828
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:15,800
we see what is her name, Noriko with that mark on her neck.

829
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:22,720
And it's basically been confirmed that that is like, you know, an effect of like G cells,

830
00:52:22,720 --> 00:52:28,520
which, you know, implies regeneration, not just for Godzilla, the creature, but for the

831
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:29,520
next film.

832
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:35,080
So I think that'll be really cool to see, you know, or at least that's that was, I think,

833
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:36,600
my interpret of it.

834
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:37,920
That's really interesting.

835
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:39,320
I did catch that moment.

836
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,520
The camera lingered on this mark.

837
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:42,520
Yeah.

838
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:47,480
I. And now that might be why, Matt, she survives this blast.

839
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,660
Yeah, we were Vincent and I were just talking about that.

840
00:52:50,660 --> 00:52:53,280
And it's a moment that doesn't totally work for me.

841
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:59,280
But if it sets up like a storyline for future sequels or future installments, then I'll

842
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:03,580
forgive in the long run, even if I think it's kind of a little manipulative in this movie.

843
00:53:03,580 --> 00:53:08,040
But it does seem to like foreshadow things to come.

844
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,960
But I just didn't make that connection at all.

845
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,960
So maybe it's something.

846
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:14,960
We shall see.

847
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:15,960
No, I don't think so.

848
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,760
I think a lot of people didn't.

849
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,280
And they just saw like this was a wounded woman.

850
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:25,720
She had bandages, you know, we're all just kind of dealing with the shock that she's

851
00:53:25,720 --> 00:53:26,720
actually alive.

852
00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:33,480
Like we had all kind of made peace with that and, you know, have that grief.

853
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:39,680
But, you know, I think it's it's leaving the door open, you know, for these, you know,

854
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:40,680
the G cells.

855
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:41,680
G cells.

856
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:52,720
I. I'd love to see Mothra in Yamazaki's world or if he revisited a standalone Rodin movie.

857
00:53:52,720 --> 00:53:55,320
Naomi, have you seen the original Rodin?

858
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,720
Yes, I have seen it.

859
00:53:57,720 --> 00:54:00,080
I think that that would be really, really cool.

860
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:01,080
I agree.

861
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:08,720
He did mention which one he would like to see redone because somebody asked him there.

862
00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:13,240
Like I said, a lot of people were coming up with their own questions.

863
00:54:13,240 --> 00:54:14,480
And one of them was that.

864
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:15,480
Let me just look.

865
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:16,480
Oh, yeah.

866
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:17,480
Question.

867
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:23,720
If you can remake or see any previous Godzilla movie be remade, which would it be and why?

868
00:54:23,720 --> 00:54:27,480
Yamazaki San says Godzilla versus to Dora.

869
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:32,360
I think that's that's for its time, her Dora was a very cutting edge Kaiju.

870
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:37,160
And thinking about the type of visual expression we can do with technology and how far it's

871
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:39,960
come today, I'm imagining how it would move.

872
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:41,960
And I think that would be a really cool remake.

873
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:45,400
OK, that's what he said on that.

874
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:46,400
That's cool.

875
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,720
Thank you, Naomi, for your reporting on the ground there.

876
00:54:49,720 --> 00:54:51,440
Yeah, not a problem.

877
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,400
Yeah, I thought about you guys the whole time.

878
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:57,280
I wish you were there with me to soak it up.

879
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:58,280
Thank you.

880
00:54:58,280 --> 00:54:59,280
Yeah, no problem.

881
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:05,560
Yeah, he said, one day I'd like to have a big heart like Godzilla and everyone laughed.

882
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:08,840
And I just have thought about that the whole time since then.

883
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:15,320
I thought it was so sweet and it sort of encapsulates what kind of guy he is.

884
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,320
Godzilla sized heart.

885
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:23,160
Yeah, sounds like he already has a big heart, you know, a big, big loving heart for sure.

886
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:24,160
Absolutely.

887
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:40,520
Are you ready to play the trivia that challenge the world?

888
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:42,020
Let's get down to business.

889
00:55:42,020 --> 00:55:44,200
What kind of trivia to have for us this week?

890
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:45,200
All right.

891
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:51,480
So without giving anything away, I just want to say that the main criticism that I read

892
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:55,280
about this film is kind of what inspired the question.

893
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:58,320
So here we go.

894
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:05,320
In Godzilla minus one, Godzilla appears in only 9% of the film's total runtime.

895
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:11,040
This translates to six minutes less than its predecessor Shin Godzilla and two minutes

896
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:14,120
more than the original Godzilla.

897
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:19,280
How many total minutes does Godzilla appear in Godzilla minus one?

898
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,840
So I'll read that again for you guys.

899
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:25,680
I know there's a lot of numbers in there, but let me read it again.

900
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:29,320
Yeah, you'll have to watch again and just keep a close eye.

901
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:37,840
So that again for everybody in Godzilla minus one, Godzilla appears in only 9% of the film's

902
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:39,720
total runtime.

903
00:56:39,720 --> 00:56:45,560
This translates to six minutes less than its predecessor Shin Godzilla and two minutes

904
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:48,300
more than the original Godzilla.

905
00:56:48,300 --> 00:56:53,240
How many total minutes does Godzilla appear in Godzilla minus one?

906
00:56:53,240 --> 00:56:57,320
That's a question.

907
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:58,320
I love a math question.

908
00:56:58,320 --> 00:56:59,320
It's great.

909
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:00,320
Unexpected.

910
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:01,320
Yeah.

911
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:05,860
And I'm not even a math person really, but I thought it would be kind of fun.

912
00:57:05,860 --> 00:57:11,320
Maybe some people are more numbers oriented or, you know, were dissatisfied with the amount

913
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:20,320
of time Godzilla got on the screen and could kind of start their research from that standpoint.

914
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:27,400
Or just rewatch the film and see which scenes he's in and go from there.

915
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:28,400
I love that.

916
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:29,400
Yeah.

917
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:30,400
Thank you.

918
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:31,400
Thank you.

919
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:32,400
Yeah, no problem.

920
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:46,720
We'll see you next time for the trivia that challenged the world.

921
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:53,000
Listeners you can drop your answers in the comment section here on the podcast or you

922
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:58,240
can do so on Instagram, on YouTube, on our email.

923
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:01,320
However you want to get to us, you can call the Kaiju hotline.

924
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:04,320
That will enter you into the hat twice.

925
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:09,280
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926
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:13,280
from our store at campkaiju.threadless.com.

927
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,560
You guys have some great shirts.

928
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:23,880
I've got the one like that navy blue one I wore in Japan with the kind of like windy

929
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:26,320
vampire kind of look to it.

930
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:27,320
Yeah.

931
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:28,320
It's awesome.

932
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:31,680
I'm a conversation starter.

933
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:36,160
I've gotten some good remarks in my camp Kaiju shirts as well, especially the Godzilla at

934
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:38,880
the campfire, which I think was the one that started it all.

935
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:40,680
The first shirt of them all.

936
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:42,800
Yeah, they're great shirts.

937
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,040
Definitely catch people's eyes sometimes.

938
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:46,040
Yeah, absolutely.

939
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:50,640
It's really fun to talk about.

940
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:52,680
I'll pass that on to our designer.

941
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:55,040
He's a friend of mine, so he'll be happy to hear that.

942
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:56,480
Oh, very cool.

943
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:58,100
Very cool.

944
00:58:58,100 --> 00:59:00,480
Maybe a trivia night in store for us.

945
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:02,280
Yeah, that'd be great.

946
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:06,200
It's the first Monday of every single month.

947
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:12,000
At Indeed Brewery, people can DM me on Instagram to find out about it or find out about it

948
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:18,480
from Indeed themselves or hit up the Film Friends movie trivia page on Facebook to stay

949
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:20,840
up on it.

950
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:25,680
But yeah, first Monday of every single month at Indeed Brewery starting at 7.30.

951
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:29,200
That's always really fun, very varied.

952
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:35,240
My new format kind of has guest co-hosts coming in because I really just want to share different

953
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:37,760
tastes and perspectives outside my own.

954
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,320
But yeah, you guys should do a spot sometime.

955
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:44,920
I think it'd be really fun to have a, you know, it could be about Kaijus or it could

956
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:46,480
be just about whatever.

957
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:49,120
You know, I think you guys have great tastes.

958
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:52,760
It'd be fun to show that off to my trivia community.

959
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:54,680
That'd be a lot of fun.

960
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:55,680
I would love to, yeah.

961
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:56,680
Cool.

962
00:59:56,680 --> 01:00:00,080
Vincent and I will have to, you know, discuss in greater detail at some point.

963
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:01,880
Yeah, that'd be super fun.

964
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:03,440
I think that'd be really, really fun.

965
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:08,280
You know, I usually have one person that goes, you know, two rounds or three rounds.

966
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:11,840
But you know, maybe you guys could each do a round or I don't know.

967
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:12,840
We'll talk about it.

968
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,320
It'd be really fun.

969
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:20,240
I will include the link to your Facebook page in the show notes so listeners can find the

970
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:22,000
info there.

971
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:23,840
But Naomi, this was a pleasure as always.

972
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:24,840
Yeah, absolutely.

973
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:29,120
I mean, I'm just happy to meet really cool people in the community.

974
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:31,280
And it's a true honor.

975
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:32,280
That's good.

976
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:33,280
You guys have a lovely night.

977
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:34,280
See you.

978
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:35,280
You too.

979
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:36,280
Bye.

980
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:41,480
Out of the polluted waters, it came to become the most fearful menace that ever threatened

981
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:47,200
mankind feeding growing evermore deadly on smog.

982
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:52,400
Only one force dared stand up to its overpowering evil.

983
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:55,520
Godzilla!

984
01:00:55,520 --> 01:01:02,000
Godzilla versus the smog monster.

985
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:12,360
More than 1600 dead have been reported while other casualties are expected to exceed 30,000.

986
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:24,440
Can Godzilla save the earth from this mastodon of destruction?

987
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:27,520
Godzilla versus the smog monster.

988
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:29,140
Rated G.

989
01:01:29,140 --> 01:01:32,720
You want to talk first about what you pulled from this movie?

990
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:39,200
You know, I definitely think the foremost theme is the sacrifice that nations ask their

991
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:42,640
citizens to do for the sake of war.

992
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:47,600
You know, the main character, he is a kamikaze pilot during World War II.

993
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:51,680
The film starts when he sort of pretends to crash land, although there's actually nothing

994
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:53,840
wrong with his plane, on a smile island.

995
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:57,680
He just doesn't want to take part in this kamikaze mission, which is understandable.

996
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:01,400
Who wants to willingly die like in an act of war?

997
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:03,880
You know, I don't think really anybody wants to.

998
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:09,000
You know, even very nationalistic people, very patriotic people, you know, killing yourself

999
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:11,880
on behalf of your nation is a big price to pay, obviously.

1000
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:16,720
So yeah, Koichi does not want to do that, but then he's shamed for that.

1001
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:21,680
At the beginning of the film, he also encounters Godzilla along with a bunch of other mechanics

1002
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:23,240
on this island.

1003
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:28,160
The head mechanic asks Koichi to shoot down Godzilla using the gun on his plane, and Koichi

1004
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:30,280
kind of freezes up and can't do it.

1005
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:37,680
So the theme of fear, of panic, of maybe being a pacifist in the face of all this war and

1006
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:42,440
violence and cruelty, and then the shame that comes from that certainly is a huge theme

1007
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:43,440
in this film.

1008
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:45,720
And that's kind of the character arc of Koichi.

1009
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:49,520
By the end, he's willing to, I'm not saying that he actually does do this, but he's willing

1010
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:54,920
to sacrifice himself in order to save Japan and maybe the world and take down Godzilla.

1011
01:02:54,920 --> 01:03:01,440
Yeah, it's, it's, there are only so few themes, I feel like, right?

1012
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:05,480
You, you learn this in English class, and the more books you read and the more movies

1013
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:11,200
you watch, and it's just like, yeah, we talk about the same things over and over again.

1014
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:15,640
Love, war, nuclear radiation.

1015
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:24,680
But in this movie, I found fear and life, like the willing, like the desire to live,

1016
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:28,760
a theme I have not encountered very often.

1017
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:33,960
And I found it surprisingly effective in, in, like you say, in the beginning, he's a

1018
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:38,520
kamikaze pilot and their sole mission is to die for their country.

1019
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:45,240
But Japan, Japan's military at this time, like was rooted in such a fanatic duty and

1020
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:46,240
honor.

1021
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:47,480
Honor, it's the word I was looking for.

1022
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:52,600
It's like, you know, the samurai legacy is still rooted in their military.

1023
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:59,720
So when Koichi even comes back and every time he's found out he was a kamikaze pilot, he

1024
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:04,280
gets a lot of grief for this from the citizenry.

1025
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:11,680
And you're just like, man, this guy, he chose what we view as the same choice and he just

1026
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:13,560
can't catch a break.

1027
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:19,480
So now he's dealing with a lot of PTSD and guilt over his, his lack of honor and his

1028
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:25,120
quote unquote cowardice, which even in, I think Western militaries, right?

1029
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:30,560
Like don't be a coward, you got to jump on that grenade to save your, your buddies.

1030
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:33,200
And that's so much easier said than done.

1031
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:34,200
Right.

1032
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:40,600
And even at the end of this movie, as you say, he's, his arc is complete.

1033
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:46,240
He's like, I'm going to sacrifice myself now to save my country.

1034
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:50,760
And on the surface, it's, that alone is satisfying.

1035
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:55,760
You're like, okay, you've, you're now the hero.

1036
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:57,840
I'm going to spoil it.

1037
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:05,200
Turns out just when you think he is dead, he ejected himself out of his plane because

1038
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:11,240
that mechanic who on Odo Island chastised him for, for the death of all those other

1039
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:17,480
mechanics, even he, that mechanic in the end decided, you know what?

1040
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:24,260
It's better to to live and to survive and he outfitted that jet with an ejector seat.

1041
01:05:24,260 --> 01:05:30,800
So now this, this simple trajectory of coward to hero becomes complicated with the fact

1042
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:34,920
that no, to live is the courageous act.

1043
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:42,800
And how, and how do you get a country and your comrades to see that living is in itself

1044
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:44,840
the act of bravery?

1045
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:49,800
It's just again, easier said than done, which makes it to me such a complex, fascinating

1046
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:50,800
theme.

1047
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:53,360
I like your description of it.

1048
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:57,480
I, I feel like one of the things, one of the reasons I thought maybe that theme didn't

1049
01:05:57,480 --> 01:06:00,800
work all that well for me is cause I thought it kind of took the easy way out a little

1050
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:06,640
bit, you know, like you think that it is the story of a man who is unable to sacrifice

1051
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:09,040
himself and then is willing to do so.

1052
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:12,260
And then if he had actually done so, I think that would ask really difficult questions

1053
01:06:12,260 --> 01:06:14,920
about like, was this the right thing?

1054
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:16,880
Are we happy that he did this or not?

1055
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:20,760
But then of course there's this plot twist where he miraculously survives and it's not

1056
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:25,600
the only contrivance at the end where somebody miraculously survives and you're like, oh,

1057
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:27,980
thank God they're okay.

1058
01:06:27,980 --> 01:06:30,820
There are a couple of moments in this movie where I feel like it kind of takes the easy

1059
01:06:30,820 --> 01:06:34,920
way out, but to hear you describe it, maybe it does complicate it.

1060
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:40,380
Maybe it does say, I mean, it definitely does say like living is the right thing to do.

1061
01:06:40,380 --> 01:06:43,760
So now I'm kind of rethinking my initial criticism of that.

1062
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:48,000
I do still feel like the plot contrivances don't totally work for me.

1063
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:51,640
Like, I feel like the audience is being jerked around a little bit.

1064
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:55,880
And another thing about the theme is that there are some lines of dialogue that suggest

1065
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:58,120
that it applies to modern Japan as well.

1066
01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:03,380
Like there are a couple of times where a character will say something like, can Japan ever change?

1067
01:07:03,380 --> 01:07:04,440
Maybe it's impossible.

1068
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:10,440
And like, oh, Japan will always ask its people to like sacrifice themselves or whatever.

1069
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:12,920
And it's like, I want more elaboration.

1070
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:15,880
What exactly do you mean by that in the modern context?

1071
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:21,240
Like maybe that would be a little bit more apparent to a Japanese viewer.

1072
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:27,040
But for me, it was like, oh, I feel like that's implying that this still is like a relevant

1073
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:29,620
theme in modern Japan, but I don't know what it means by it.

1074
01:07:29,620 --> 01:07:31,160
But that certainly could be my fault.

1075
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:32,740
Maybe it's not the film's fault.

1076
01:07:32,740 --> 01:07:39,040
It's an interesting theme that I think the movie in some ways it doesn't totally successfully

1077
01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:40,840
convey, in my opinion.

1078
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:41,840
Yeah.

1079
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:46,520
And I do hear you about the contrived miracles.

1080
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:47,840
Yeah.

1081
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:52,920
Especially, what's her name?

1082
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:55,280
Surviving essentially an atomic blast.

1083
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:56,280
Right.

1084
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:57,280
Yeah.

1085
01:07:57,280 --> 01:07:59,760
I mean, there's a lot of melodrama in this movie.

1086
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:03,480
Maybe not totally a bad thing, but it doesn't always work for me.

1087
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:04,480
Well that's what I was going to say.

1088
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:09,040
I mean, and this is again, a beautiful contrast between you and I.

1089
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:12,420
I actually, the melodrama worked for me in this movie.

1090
01:08:12,420 --> 01:08:21,200
And even though those unexpected survivals, I think Koichi's survival subverts a theme.

1091
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:22,520
So like, I'm really good with that.

1092
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:23,520
But you're right.

1093
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:33,160
Koichi's, his partner's survival is a tad further into the realm of incredulousness.

1094
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:40,840
Be that as it may, at that point in the film, I feel like they've earned it.

1095
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:45,280
The heroes are alive and Godzilla is defeated.

1096
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:46,280
Yeah.

1097
01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:48,360
Yeah, you're right.

1098
01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:50,880
I mean, this isn't the kind of movie where they're going to have a totally bleak ending

1099
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:52,840
where all the characters die.

1100
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:55,880
Yeah, but nine times out of 10, I'm with you.

1101
01:08:55,880 --> 01:09:05,960
And I would rather us not have a happy ending, quote unquote, and let's sit in the uncomfortable

1102
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:06,960
pain that is life.

1103
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:10,800
But I don't know, this time I was like, I feel like they've earned it.

1104
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:11,800
I'm okay with it.

1105
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:14,800
Yeah, it's definitely crowd pleasing for sure.

1106
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:18,800
This final mission will decide the fate of the human race.

1107
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:21,800
This is operation final war.

1108
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:45,440
Okay, I'm going to go first.

1109
01:09:45,440 --> 01:09:46,440
What did I like about this movie?

1110
01:09:46,440 --> 01:09:49,440
That you're going to tear it all down.

1111
01:09:49,440 --> 01:09:54,080
Nonsense.

1112
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:58,720
I do, as I said with Naomi, I love that this movie doesn't even feel like a Godzilla movie

1113
01:09:58,720 --> 01:09:59,720
first.

1114
01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:06,840
It feels like a sincere period piece post World War Two Japan.

1115
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:14,000
Not only do I love 1940s period pieces, but I have never seen a movie from the Japanese

1116
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:16,040
point of view after the war ended.

1117
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:21,800
I mean, Tokyo is in ruins after the Allied firebombing.

1118
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:30,120
And the sense I got from the movie was that of a post apocalyptic movie.

1119
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:32,200
They're living out of shacks.

1120
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:35,880
They're just eking out a living here.

1121
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:39,400
And it reminded me of a post apocalyptic film.

1122
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:47,960
And another theme of pushing through that and slowly rebuilding your city and your family

1123
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:50,320
and your life.

1124
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:58,640
And it was a touch sentimental, but that was the reality after the war ended.

1125
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:03,560
People literally had to start from ground zero.

1126
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:07,880
So I did like that aspect a lot.

1127
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:10,520
I did like the way Godzilla looked in this movie.

1128
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:16,360
I really loved the beginning on Odo Island when we first see Godzilla, but it's the Godzilla

1129
01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:18,360
source.

1130
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:24,800
The way that monster makes its appearance is scary.

1131
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:27,380
And I don't care that it was very Jurassic Park.

1132
01:11:27,380 --> 01:11:31,000
It was frightening the way it was shot.

1133
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:38,040
And it reminded me of Godzilla versus King Ghidorah when you had the 1940s flashbacks

1134
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:40,440
to the Godzilla source.

1135
01:11:40,440 --> 01:11:42,120
And I was like, yes, that's what I love.

1136
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:47,000
I love World War II Godzilla movies.

1137
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:48,000
Totally.

1138
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:49,000
Yeah.

1139
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:54,720
Yeah, I was thinking of Godzilla versus King Ghidorah too, which is one of my favorites

1140
01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:56,200
that we've talked about so far.

1141
01:11:56,200 --> 01:11:59,760
I'd be a little bit nervous if he remade that just because I love it so much.

1142
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:02,080
But no, I thought about that movie too.

1143
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:07,200
I think World War II and kind of like hearkening back to the 1954 original.

1144
01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:12,700
It just brings back that sense of nostalgia and also thematic depth and just like a sort

1145
01:12:12,700 --> 01:12:16,480
of serious real world context.

1146
01:12:16,480 --> 01:12:18,320
I didn't mean to interject.

1147
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:20,360
Are you done with your good category?

1148
01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:21,800
Yeah, I'm done.

1149
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:22,800
Okay.

1150
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:26,280
So yeah, totally agree with everything you said.

1151
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:32,960
With the themes, one thing we didn't talk about is that the Godzilla-saurus is of course

1152
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:36,220
affected by American nuclear bomb testing.

1153
01:12:36,220 --> 01:12:41,600
And that's what makes it grow in size and have this radioactive superpower.

1154
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:47,640
So still that theme from the original of the American military meddling in Japan's affairs

1155
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:53,060
with hugely disastrous consequences is still here in Godzilla minus one.

1156
01:12:53,060 --> 01:12:56,240
And then there's the theme too that the United States doesn't really want to help because

1157
01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:59,880
then it's going to be like misconstrued by the Soviet Union.

1158
01:12:59,880 --> 01:13:02,940
Like why are they like, you know, hanging around Japan?

1159
01:13:02,940 --> 01:13:06,720
So like America is just like, we're not going to help you deal with it in Godzilla minus

1160
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:07,720
one.

1161
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:11,560
So I like that thematic aspect of it too.

1162
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:18,520
You know, even if some of the themes of sacrifice and guilt and shame aren't totally effective

1163
01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:20,440
to me, I'm happy they're here in this movie.

1164
01:13:20,440 --> 01:13:22,060
Like it has things to say.

1165
01:13:22,060 --> 01:13:26,680
It has character depth and I obviously appreciate that.

1166
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:31,060
Like I said before, the visual effects I think are really fantastic and the attack on Ginza

1167
01:13:31,060 --> 01:13:37,560
in this movie might be my favorite urban destruction scene in any kaiju movie I've ever seen.

1168
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:41,160
Like there are some that are like kind of can be cheesy and fun.

1169
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:43,520
There's one that's set in like a version of New York City.

1170
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:45,360
I think it's from one of the Gamera movies.

1171
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:46,360
Does that sound familiar?

1172
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:48,480
I can't remember the movie now.

1173
01:13:48,480 --> 01:13:52,320
Well, Mothra was New Kirk City.

1174
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:53,320
Yeah Mothra.

1175
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:54,320
That's what I'm thinking of.

1176
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:55,320
Like that's a really fun scene.

1177
01:13:55,320 --> 01:14:00,760
But in terms of just like scope and destruction and intensity, I think the attack on Ginza

1178
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:04,160
in Godzilla minus one probably is my favorite.

1179
01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:07,360
Just like Godzilla.

1180
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:09,880
I won't use any profanity, but just like going to town.

1181
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:10,880
You know what I mean?

1182
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:13,240
Like that moment is incredible in this movie.

1183
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:18,840
And there are a lot of things I like, but the last thing I'll say is like whenever you

1184
01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:24,840
hear Akira Ifukube score like kind of come out of nowhere or the first time you hear

1185
01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:27,520
it, it comes out of nowhere because it's a good like 45 minutes into the movie, I would

1186
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:28,520
say.

1187
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:34,320
It is just amazing for kaiju fans to like see Godzilla and hear that score.

1188
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:35,320
It never gets old.

1189
01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:37,120
It's a really incredible moment.

1190
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:38,520
That's awesome.

1191
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:43,440
I like that they call it a heat ray in this movie instead of the atomic breath.

1192
01:14:43,440 --> 01:14:52,360
But either way, when Godzilla lets loose and it's a full blown atom bomb, that's chilling.

1193
01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:56,120
I was like, oh my God, I've never seen it like this before.

1194
01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:58,560
Yeah, it's a really convincing effect.

1195
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:02,480
And I like obviously just the subtext of what the Japanese people went through just a couple

1196
01:15:02,480 --> 01:15:05,840
years earlier in like the context of this movie.

1197
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:06,840
Yeah.

1198
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:10,720
I mean, it's intense, it's sad, it's like traumatic.

1199
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:15,920
It brings all those themes together very powerfully.

1200
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:22,080
What I didn't like about this movie, and even there's very few I'm stretching here, I admit

1201
01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:23,080
that.

1202
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:28,600
So I'll leave the the hardball criticisms to you.

1203
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:33,640
There was there was one moment that took me out of the film.

1204
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:41,680
Noriko's on a train when Godzilla attacks and Godzilla rips into this train and lifts

1205
01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:44,720
the train car with Noriko in it.

1206
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:49,600
And Noriko is like hanging from a bar suspended over the water.

1207
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:56,760
And in that moment, that was a moment where I thought, okay, yes, we can do these effects

1208
01:15:56,760 --> 01:16:00,800
like Tom Hanks said, we can do anything we want.

1209
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:04,800
But I'm borderline not believing this moment.

1210
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:08,120
It seems too actiony.

1211
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:15,000
It just I don't know, it didn't seem rooted in the realism that we had established for

1212
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:21,040
her to, you know, fall to the bar and then fall into the water and then survive.

1213
01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:28,000
And then it's just it was like one step too far into over the top, I guess.

1214
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:29,520
Does that make sense?

1215
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:30,720
Yeah, for sure.

1216
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:34,400
She has some incredible upper arm strength if she can like stay hanging from that bar

1217
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:38,040
like that entire time and like the train is being like whipped around, you know.

1218
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:41,160
Yeah, it's unconvincing and it feels kind of gratuitous.

1219
01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:44,920
And then also like she falls into the water and then like very shortly thereafter, we

1220
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:49,040
see her on the street and like her clothes are wet and like her hair is wet so we can

1221
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:50,040
kind of understand what happened.

1222
01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:51,640
But still, it's a very jarring cut.

1223
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:53,120
It's like, wait, she just fell on the water.

1224
01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:54,120
How does she get up here?

1225
01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:57,680
You know, so the editing maybe is not great at that moment, too.

1226
01:16:57,680 --> 01:16:58,680
Yeah.

1227
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:00,600
We mentioned the jaws stuff before.

1228
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:01,600
I didn't hate it.

1229
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:04,600
And that's not actually a criticism.

1230
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:07,480
I just thought about jaws and I was like, I don't know.

1231
01:17:07,480 --> 01:17:09,560
I don't want to be thinking about jaws in this moment.

1232
01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:12,360
But damn, it looks really good, though.

1233
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:13,860
And it's really effective.

1234
01:17:13,860 --> 01:17:17,840
And it's just as scary as when the shark is after Quint and the gang.

1235
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:19,840
So it's fine.

1236
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:25,240
But yeah, a little derivative at times, maybe a little.

1237
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:26,240
Yeah.

1238
01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:27,640
Yeah, for sure.

1239
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:28,640
Yeah.

1240
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:29,640
All right.

1241
01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:30,640
What do you got?

1242
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:36,200
So I really, you know, overall, I do like this movie, but I don't love it as much as

1243
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:38,320
many, many other people seem to.

1244
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:42,960
And I think like the main thing for me at times, this comes dangerously close to like

1245
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:47,440
a Godzilla version of like Oscar bait, which I know is weird to say because it is the only

1246
01:17:47,440 --> 01:17:50,360
Godzilla movie that actually won an Oscar, but it's for visual effects.

1247
01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:54,900
But what I mean for that is it's kind of like a prestige movie or like a message movie that

1248
01:17:54,900 --> 01:17:57,300
Godzilla happens to be in.

1249
01:17:57,300 --> 01:18:01,520
And when I say Oscar bait or a prestige movie, I think of like the bad ones like Crash or

1250
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:07,540
Green Book were like, you know, the themes are just laid out very obviously on the surface

1251
01:18:07,540 --> 01:18:11,080
where there's even dialogue that's like, this is the theme of the movie.

1252
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:15,200
Like, you know, like all the stuff about like the war is not over for me yet.

1253
01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:19,520
I like literally rolled my eyes every time they said that in this movie.

1254
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:25,160
And I think the reason it seems kind of like prestige or Oscar bait or message like I think

1255
01:18:25,160 --> 01:18:28,320
again, it's like the contrivance and the melodrama.

1256
01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:33,400
You feel kind of jerked around as an audience member a little bit like not only with, you

1257
01:18:33,400 --> 01:18:40,800
know, Koichi ejecting at the last moment and surviving and then Noriko somehow surviving.

1258
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:45,040
And if that does become a plot point later in the franchise, then you know, then I get

1259
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:46,040
it.

1260
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:47,040
But like, but it's not only those things.

1261
01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:49,360
It's also like the adorable orphan girl.

1262
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:54,740
It's like, you know, like Koichi is not the only sort of underdog hero who comes in to

1263
01:18:54,740 --> 01:18:56,240
save the day at the last minute.

1264
01:18:56,240 --> 01:19:01,160
There's also like the kid, as they call him on the mind sweeping boat, who like they tell

1265
01:19:01,160 --> 01:19:02,480
him like, oh, you're too young.

1266
01:19:02,480 --> 01:19:03,480
You can't fight with us.

1267
01:19:03,480 --> 01:19:09,240
And of course, he and all these like tugboat captains like come at the last moment to like

1268
01:19:09,240 --> 01:19:12,800
bring Godzilla back up to the surface.

1269
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:15,560
And like, I didn't buy a lot of it.

1270
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:20,440
Like you, you know, it's well made in the sense that like there are checkboxes for like

1271
01:19:20,440 --> 01:19:22,880
at the end of Act one, we're going to have this moment.

1272
01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:24,760
And then in Act two, we're going to have this moment.

1273
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:26,640
And it's like, yep, so all of that coming.

1274
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:29,400
And that's exactly what happened.

1275
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:36,560
So you know, I just feel like it's like an intent and sorry, in an attempt to be like

1276
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:38,640
a little bit more serious and profound.

1277
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:45,160
I feel like it loses some of the imagination and like excitement of like my favorite kaiju

1278
01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:46,160
movies.

1279
01:19:46,160 --> 01:19:47,160
And I kind of miss that a little bit.

1280
01:19:47,160 --> 01:19:51,040
You know, I also think that like visually, this doesn't look all that great.

1281
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:55,080
The visual effects do, but like the cinematography is kind of like muddy and flat.

1282
01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:58,680
I know part of that might be the sort of like post-apocalyptic vibe that you were talking

1283
01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:02,880
about, but there aren't really very many moments in this movie where I looked at the screen

1284
01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:07,960
and I was like, this looks amazing, you know, and like many of the older Godzilla and kaiju

1285
01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:13,960
movies like Mothra, Ghidorah, the three headed monster, even the original Godzilla, they're

1286
01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:15,800
just so beautiful.

1287
01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:21,520
And this one feels to me kind of just like unspectacular visually a lot of the time,

1288
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:24,160
which is weird because like it should be spectacular.

1289
01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:27,000
It's a giant monster, you know, so.

1290
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:31,760
Yeah, so I know I said I wasn't going to be too scathing and maybe that sounded a little

1291
01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:32,760
bit scathing.

1292
01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:38,880
I yeah, it's like kind of like a middle brow movie in some ways, but like it's a very good

1293
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:41,920
one, very well made.

1294
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:46,240
I just don't love it as much as a lot of other people do.

1295
01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:49,640
You know, it's the funny thing is that like I don't disagree with any of that.

1296
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:54,360
The tugboats at the end, I did roll my eyes a little bit because it's a doex machina,

1297
01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:55,360
right?

1298
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:57,680
And I'm like, OK.

1299
01:20:57,680 --> 01:21:00,280
But there's something about it that just worked for me.

1300
01:21:00,280 --> 01:21:03,120
So that just comes down to a matter of taste, right?

1301
01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:09,920
But yeah, but I do 100% agree with those points, with those checkboxes that you're talking

1302
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:10,920
about.

1303
01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:16,040
Yeah, and I you know, I like a good like crowd, crowd pleasing adventure.

1304
01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:20,160
There's nothing wrong with like you like laughs and like tugging at the heartstrings and everything.

1305
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:23,640
But in this movie, it feels a little bit like uneven because you have those moments, but

1306
01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:29,760
then you also have like deep themes of PTSD and sacrifice and like it doesn't always mesh

1307
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:32,280
very well for me in this movie.

1308
01:21:32,280 --> 01:21:36,160
On that note, then was there anything campy to you?

1309
01:21:36,160 --> 01:21:38,160
Yeah, yeah.

1310
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:43,240
You know, again, it's like the the moment when like the kid and all the tugboat captains

1311
01:21:43,240 --> 01:21:44,240
come in.

1312
01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:48,560
And then I think like the older guy, the another guy on the minesweeping boat, I forget the

1313
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:52,960
character's name, but he even has a line of dialogue that's like, Attaboy, go get him

1314
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:53,960
or something like that.

1315
01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:55,680
It's like, do you do we really need that?

1316
01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:56,680
Come on.

1317
01:21:56,680 --> 01:22:01,800
I kind of reminded me of like an Independence Day when Randy Quaid's like drunken drug or

1318
01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:06,160
what is it like crop dusting pilot like saves the day or whatever, you know, it's like that

1319
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:07,360
all over again a little bit.

1320
01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:12,440
So I totally thought that too, when Koichi goes flying right into Godzilla's mouth.

1321
01:22:12,440 --> 01:22:13,440
Yep.

1322
01:22:13,440 --> 01:22:14,440
Yep.

1323
01:22:14,440 --> 01:22:15,440
Yep.

1324
01:22:15,440 --> 01:22:18,440
So like, and Yamazaki, he's upfront about all the influences, right?

1325
01:22:18,440 --> 01:22:21,920
Jaws, other Godzilla movies.

1326
01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:22,920
And it's there.

1327
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:24,880
At least he owns up to it.

1328
01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:34,720
But but but I have criticized other movies for being copycats of other films.

1329
01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:36,400
So I get it.

1330
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:37,400
It's fair.

1331
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:40,860
Yeah, it's you know, some of them are campy fun.

1332
01:22:40,860 --> 01:22:42,800
Some of them are like campy eye roll.

1333
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:44,760
I don't know if you need this, you know.

1334
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:46,080
Right, right.

1335
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:52,400
I found this movie to actually have more humor than I thought it would in the dialogue.

1336
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:58,360
There's a there's like there's a lot of dry humor in this movie, which is my like, I love

1337
01:22:58,360 --> 01:23:04,760
that kind of humor to like the first time the Godzilla source shows up and the mechanics,

1338
01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:06,340
they're all on the island.

1339
01:23:06,340 --> 01:23:08,760
It's basically an oh shit moment.

1340
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:11,600
Yeah, that whole opening scene is really good.

1341
01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:13,080
It's very effective.

1342
01:23:13,080 --> 01:23:17,880
And then Koichi is reading about the mind sweeping boat and its state of the art.

1343
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:23,280
It's going to be really, really protective of minds.

1344
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:25,920
And then he shows up at the boat and it's made of wood.

1345
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:31,900
And he's like, what?

1346
01:23:31,900 --> 01:23:33,160
Another Jaws moment, I would say.

1347
01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:34,600
You know what I mean?

1348
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:35,600
Yeah.

1349
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:38,920
So it was just like a lot of moments like that.

1350
01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:41,640
Yeah, I found humorous.

1351
01:23:41,640 --> 01:23:42,640
Definitely.

1352
01:23:42,640 --> 01:23:43,640
Yeah.

1353
01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:47,920
And I think like also the the Navy doctor, like the scientist who hatches the plan to

1354
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:49,760
get Godzilla.

1355
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:51,400
There's some campiness to that, too.

1356
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:57,880
Like he reminds me of the doctor Mufube in Terror of Mechagodzilla, like the wild haired

1357
01:23:57,880 --> 01:23:58,880
scientist.

1358
01:23:58,880 --> 01:23:59,880
Totally.

1359
01:23:59,880 --> 01:24:00,880
Yeah.

1360
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:03,520
Yeah, for sure.

1361
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:07,560
And I feel like that not to you know, this is a deep thing that we haven't totally gotten

1362
01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:08,560
into.

1363
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:09,680
So I'll just barely touch on it real quick.

1364
01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:13,360
But like, I feel like that kind of negates the political commentary a little bit because

1365
01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:19,680
like, you know, he's the he's like the Navy overseer of this project.

1366
01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:23,040
And he's this like nice, adorable sort of like father figure, you know.

1367
01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:28,680
So it's hard to really believe that the Japanese government is like, you know, out to sacrifice

1368
01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:32,020
its citizens when this guy is like so lovable.

1369
01:24:32,020 --> 01:24:35,240
But there is some campiness to his character and and he is very understanding a lot of

1370
01:24:35,240 --> 01:24:36,240
the time.

1371
01:24:36,240 --> 01:24:37,240
Yeah.

1372
01:24:37,240 --> 01:24:38,360
All right.

1373
01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:42,640
On that note, let us give it our final rating.

1374
01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:47,540
Yeah, as always on Camp Kaji, we have four different rankings.

1375
01:24:47,540 --> 01:24:51,680
Number one, it's a timeless classic and definitely stands the test of time.

1376
01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:54,780
Number two, there may be some antiquated moments, but overall, it's great.

1377
01:24:54,780 --> 01:24:56,780
It stands the test of time.

1378
01:24:56,780 --> 01:25:01,280
Number three, it may be historically significant or just fun, but it does not stand the test

1379
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:03,920
of time and our lowest ranking.

1380
01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:08,240
It is not worth revisiting and definitely does not stand the test of time.

1381
01:25:08,240 --> 01:25:12,320
Well, I know it's well, you go first.

1382
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:15,040
OK, my episode, so I'll finish this off.

1383
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:16,040
Yeah, totally.

1384
01:25:16,040 --> 01:25:17,600
You'll have the last word.

1385
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:23,500
I know my criticisms sounded a little scathing, but, you know, I would say overall, this movie

1386
01:25:23,500 --> 01:25:26,980
is good to great and it will stand the test of time.

1387
01:25:26,980 --> 01:25:28,640
I'm going to give it our second ranking.

1388
01:25:28,640 --> 01:25:33,200
I don't know, it's maybe too early to say there are antiquated moments, but I do think

1389
01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:37,480
they're like manipulative or like kind of cheesy melodramatic moments.

1390
01:25:37,480 --> 01:25:40,240
But but yeah, I mean, it's a beloved movie.

1391
01:25:40,240 --> 01:25:44,580
There are so many moments that like are really fun, really effective.

1392
01:25:44,580 --> 01:25:48,040
There is thematic and character depth here.

1393
01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:51,560
I'm slightly surprised by how much everybody loves this movie.

1394
01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:56,120
It's not probably even among my top three favorite Godzilla movies.

1395
01:25:56,120 --> 01:25:59,880
But yeah, it'll stand the test of time for sure.

1396
01:25:59,880 --> 01:26:00,880
I agree.

1397
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:01,880
I will.

1398
01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:03,480
I will say it's a timeless classic already.

1399
01:26:03,480 --> 01:26:07,480
I just there's no other Godzilla movie like it.

1400
01:26:07,480 --> 01:26:12,800
You could say the original is it's the closest in terms of like.

1401
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:17,120
The story in the time period.

1402
01:26:17,120 --> 01:26:24,360
So so I just I just I see this having a long longevity to it.

1403
01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:30,800
Yeah, I was just taken by the by this back to basics approach of the film investing in

1404
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:32,800
its characters, its human characters.

1405
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:38,800
I honestly think this is the best human cast I've seen in a Godzilla movie.

1406
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:41,880
And I love period pieces.

1407
01:26:41,880 --> 01:26:44,880
So for me, it stands the test of time.

1408
01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:50,680
I will revisit this movie, maybe not often, but.

1409
01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:54,520
It's in my top tier, I think of Godzilla films.

1410
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:55,520
Nice.

1411
01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:59,920
I think we're I think we ended up being closer in our opinions on this movie than I thought

1412
01:26:59,920 --> 01:27:00,920
we were going to.

1413
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:07,320
Which I mean, but you know, we had like interesting sort of like diver divergent opinions in some

1414
01:27:07,320 --> 01:27:10,720
way, but I think we kind of came out in the end in on similar ground.

1415
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:11,720
You know what I mean?

1416
01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:13,160
Yeah, I don't think it's a perfect movie.

1417
01:27:13,160 --> 01:27:16,080
Like you said, I agree with all that.

1418
01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:22,300
But for like a Godzilla movie, it's just it's just I don't know.

1419
01:27:22,300 --> 01:27:26,480
But also, I think I think audiences, when you give them something, quote unquote, serious,

1420
01:27:26,480 --> 01:27:30,800
like like what did Batman Begins do to the Batman franchise?

1421
01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:34,640
People are like, oh, my God, this is so.

1422
01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:35,960
Oscar worthy.

1423
01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:36,960
It's it's right.

1424
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:39,160
It's the exact same phenomena.

1425
01:27:39,160 --> 01:27:44,360
Yeah, that might be both a good and a bad thing, I would say, you know.

1426
01:27:44,360 --> 01:27:45,360
Totally.

1427
01:27:45,360 --> 01:27:51,040
And then it'll get played out and then eventually Toho go right back to campy guys in rubber

1428
01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:52,040
suits.

1429
01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:53,320
It's just it's a cycle.

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Yeah.

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And I'll probably be really excited when that happens.

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Thanks for hanging out, friends.

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Please rate and review wherever you listen.

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You can also share this podcast with a friend and give us positive reviews because it goes

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a long way.

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And the more people we can get talking about classic monster movies, the better.

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So you can also send us listener comments at CampKaiju at gmail dot com, Facebook, Instagram,

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YouTube links in the show notes.

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If you'd like to be a featured voice on the show, leave a voicemail at six one two four

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seven zero two six one two.

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And please check out our website, CampKaijuPodcast.com for more.

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Camp Kaiju is recorded in Minneapolis, St. Paul with Menia's mailbox music by Ben Cook

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Feltz.

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Thanks, friends.

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And until next time, stay campy.

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Camp Kaiju is sponsored by Zach Linder and the Zach Pack.

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Reach out to the Zach Pack today for real estate services.

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Follow the Zach Pack on social media and contact the Zach Pack for investment opportunities.

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Links in the show notes.

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Please welcome Arnold Schwarzenegger and Oscar nominee Danny DeVito.

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And the Oscar goes to.

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Here we go.

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This is it.

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Godzilla.

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This is the first Oscar win and nomination for the visual effects team from Godzilla minus

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one.