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Welcome, everyone, to an extra special bonus

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episode on Valhalla Conversations podcast, and

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much like how Odin had to prepare for the arrival

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of Eric Bloodaxe by having the benches sweat,

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the tables cleared, the cups cleaned and the

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mead brought forth, because he was welcoming

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a great guest, I am indeed welcoming not a great

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guest, but many great guests, many heroes and

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heroines, indeed, are entering this fabled hall

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of worthy undead, or worthy dead, in a way. And

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I'm delighted to welcome not only the Game Master,

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but the Game Master and some of the cast, because

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it was quite an extensive cast, of the Vikings

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and Valkyries podcast, which was the amazing

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brainchild of Mr Ian Sharp, who I often call

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Mr Vikingverse, because that's just who he is

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to me. So along with Ian Sharp, we welcome CJ

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Adrian, we welcome Bill Hopkins, Steve, Anina

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and Taylor. Welcome. to my humble little hall

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of Valhalla guys and ladies. Thank you very much.

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Thank you. Now it's amazing because there they

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all responded straight away with thank you for

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having us. When we recorded our podcast there

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would be like a 10 second gap and I'd have to

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remind them to say, say something, say something.

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It's your teacher's tone that's the problem.

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We already thought we were in trouble. the Speaking

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of, I guess I should warn our dear viewers and

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listeners that because this is kind of a season

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recap Q &A of the cast, and indeed the game master

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behind this wonderful actual play, tabletop roleplay

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game of Vikings and Valkyries, set in Ian's own

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massively created universe of When the Wolf Comes,

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playing his thought and memory saga, series of

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adventures, there will be spoilers. There will

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be character names dropped. All the cast are

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here because I possibly couldn't fit that many

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on one Google Meet, so it'd be quite a beat if

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I did. I don't know how I would even start around

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the questions with so many guests. But I'm looking

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honoured to have you guys join me tonight as

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well, because we have three of the main heroes

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and a couple of other heroes and heroines like

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myself, because I too did take part, albeit briefly,

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here and there, but I won't say more than that.

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But there will be spoilers. I won't try to spoil

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it too much, and I'm sure my guests will try

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their best not to. But best advice is, dear listeners

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and viewers, pause here, go and watch all 20

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odd episodes, then come back and watch later.

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because it is worth a watch it is the wildest

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ride i've ever been part of and even though it

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was a small part i'm still very pleased to be

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part of it and i think hopefully all my guests

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were as well i'm not sure if there'll be if there'll

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be spoilers though because you know especially

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for bill and steve it might be the first time

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they're hearing some of this it was steve's fault

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i just want to make that clear right have we

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met Yeah, how disappointed would it be to hear

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the spoiler alert and then you do the 20 episodes

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and then you come back and watch this and realize

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that there were no spoilers at all. We had no

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idea. This is all new. obviously say your name

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and then you introduce yourself and say your

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role in the game as well as your character and

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possibly describe them for our viewers and listeners

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because of course this is going on YouTube as

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well as Spotify and other audio only channels.

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So Ian, we'll start off with you. Would you like

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to describe your role in this podcast of yours?

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Yes, the podcast of mine. So I was the the auteur

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the genius behind this staggering work of heartbreaking

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genius. I was the GM, so you hear me way too

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much droning on through all 22 episodes, trying

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to corral it together. Thank you. CJ, we'll move

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on to you. Do I introduce just myself and then

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and then my character yourself and then you can

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yes Okay, oh then Bill's character great. All

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right. Well that we are we're gonna do around

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Robin great Yeah, so it's CJ Adrian. I write

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historical fiction novels about the Vikings came

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out on the show as Gryot got the Magnificent

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and his friends call him Gigi for short and he

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is a let's see. He's a very large specimen. He's

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a yo for which is a a species that is genetically

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enhanced in Ian's world or universe and he's

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very rich and quite arrogant and also he is trying

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to hide the fact that the entire time all he

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really cares about is making sure that nobody

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finds out that he lost his sex robot. and that's

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kind of it. He gets swept up into saving the

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world, all based on the premise of he lost his

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sex robot and then got corralled into this whole

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thing and really has no idea that he's actually

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saving the world. All he cares about is, did

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you find out what I was looking for? And in the

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end, did we find out? Nobody found out, right?

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He kept it under wraps. Yeah, nobody cared. None

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of the cast and regulars and semi -regulars.

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knew. Some of the NPCs made snide remarks. And

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of course Odin the Allfather, who knows everything,

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is all seeing and all knowing. He made a passing

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reference to it as well. So yeah, in trying to

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conceal his deepest, darkest secret, he ended

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up becoming a hero. An interesting character

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arc. Okay, I'm Bill Hopkins. I played Lyomi,

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which I like to pronounce with a mouthful of

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marbles. Lyomi, because I don't really have any

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Viking background or understanding. Lyomi was

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an alfar 1200 years old, I believe. He's a wooden

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tree creature encasing the soul of a long -dead

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Viking warrior. Feels pretty smug about who he

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is and his place in the world. not like those

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horrifying dark alpha. And, you know, in his

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own mind, very much the star of the entire work.

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Thank you. Thank you. Okay, Steve, your turn.

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Hi there, I'm Steve Medel. I'm a science fiction

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author, which makes me uniquely unqualified to

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have anything to do with this. My character was

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Er, a doc, like his people, and I'm probably

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going to get this wrong. After 20 episodes, I

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should have this down, but I don't. As I understand

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it, we're essentially dead. in Valhalla and then

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through some nefarious ritual ripped out of Valhalla

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and placed into magnificent stone bodies with

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which they attempted to navigate the world. More

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than anything else he just wanted to get back

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to Valhalla and if possible kill Bill's character,

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really, who is possibly the most irritating creature

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on the planet. Bar one. Wait, who? And Nina,

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would you please? Hi, I'm Anita Kasky. I'm an

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actor and writer and cast member and producer

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on Bardic Quest as well, another TTRBG show.

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And I was a recurring guest. I played Alma, a

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Jan Wittju. I probably mispronounced her, but

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anyway, she was a Wolverine creature, bipedal

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Wolverine creature, a genetically engineered

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child soldier. And she was looking for her siblings

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when she met this ragtag lot. Thank you. And

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last but by no means least, Taylor. I'm Taylor

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Moe. Even more unqualified to be here than Steve

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because my claim to fame is I'm friends with

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CJ, but I'm also a documentary filmmaker and

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blacksmith, so I always kind of understand the

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Viking verse a little bit. I played an Alphar

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captain named Old King Cole, which is Cole for

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short. Nominally, I would say for at least the

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first few of my episodes, the only adult in the

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room until I was corrupted by too much exposure

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to these three. Yeah, and just I was the captain

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of the Falkir and led some fun anecdotes and

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tried to keep the ship right, you know, right

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as much as we could in terms of the story and

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keep us on plot as much as we could. But it was

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a uphill battle. And there was, Becky, there

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was actually one episode where these five were

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the cast and I think it was your first episode

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and it was the one where it was Anina's last

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episode. It was when they abandoned me. when

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they abandoned you. That was the rescue of the

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law speaker and the first time that people were

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in their own ploy and ship, the Falkir. But there

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was a little cross over there and so all of these

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people played together. You, of course, Becky,

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kind of bookended that and were in... earlier

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and later episodes, but such was the joy of recording

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it. We had lots of people drop in and out, and

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there's one kind of interesting point, and I

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don't know if anyone's listened back to that

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episode, but generally we do our own intros,

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and they'd be fine, but bringing new people in

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each time, you'd have to warm up. At the end

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of that particular episode, Taylor told this

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great story about that armour that you can see

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behind him, and I took it from the end and brought

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it back into the beginning and spiced it up at

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the beginning because it was a much more exciting

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intro. So it's funny because you transplant the

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things from the end of the show to the beginning

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once people had warmed up. I don't know if the

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audience could tell but there was certainly a

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lot more camaraderie had been earned by that

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point as opposed to more stilted intros at the

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beginning when everyone's on their best behaviour.

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I did listen to that episode and I I did not

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remember him saying that at the end Versus the

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baby. I just I if had you said nothing I would

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have suspected I'm really enjoying the very soft

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British criticisms underlying Ian's whole commentary.

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It's just quite a little smack smack on the way,

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but do better next time. Yes Let's start with

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the beginning, and of course it all begins with

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you, Ian. So how did this idea of turning your

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real campaign sourcebook of a real TTRPG universe

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into a podcast come about? Yeah, so I'd actually

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been, I'd hosted one podcast or GM'd one podcast,

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the actual Play Entertainment guys, and I'd done

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that in the summer of 24. And we did three or

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four episodes um and it went well it was a kind

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of proving ground and then i phoned up bill who

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i've known for way too long it's over a decade

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now at least isn't it yeah uh yeah 2008 actually

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isn't it nearly two decades bill you know uh

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anyway thanks for that we i phoned him up and

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i said uh yeah those guys It was a great experience,

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but I think they're leaving some stuff on the

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table. I think that we could do it better. So

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I was working with their format, with the people

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who were ordinarily on the actual Play Entertainment

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podcast. And so I thought, let's try and do it

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better. Let's try and do something a bit different.

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And I made the mistake of choosing Bill to do

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that. But what did you think, Bill? Because you

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kind of embraced the idea, and then you worked

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in Steve and a bunch of people, and then it was

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born. And the first episode was perhaps a little

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bit experimental. But what was your perspective

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when you took the phone call? Oh, it sounded

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like fun. It sounded like something unusual to

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do, so why not? And they say keep your friends

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close, your enemies closer. And the next generation

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of your family even closer is my interpretation

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of that so as well as dragging poor Steven I

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got my nephew Ed Did the sex robot at the beginning?

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Before school took over his yeah, I may maybe

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I should have phrased that differently, but it's

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okay He had his school responsibilities, so he

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stepped back. And really, at the time, I thought,

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well, Ed's created this over -large, huge character.

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What are we possibly going to do to replace that?

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And then, of course, CJ showed up, so it really

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wasn't a problem anymore. And then my son Jay

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did, I think, three episodes as different characters,

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all from the south of the north. They all had

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weird southern accents, like southern American

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accents. And my other nephew, Evan, also. I have

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more nephews, so if we do it again, I have one

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more son I haven't tapped yet, and I have a lot

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of other nephews, so I can easily... Just a never

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-ending closet of nephews. Yeah, and there's

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some nieces. Of Hopkins. Yeah, Hopkins, yeah.

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Yeah, my sister's two daughters, Ed's sisters

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could come, you know, so. Anyway, yeah, so it

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just seemed like fun and it was fun. I mean it

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was It was weird. It was a very weird experience

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not quite like playing a regular tabletop game

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Just in the sense of there was a performative

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element. There were things Places we had to get

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to we had not just a game master but a taskmaster

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who was making sure that I felt very much in

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the role of Alex Horne. I was gonna get that

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reference but Yeah, we can put captions up. The

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premise of the podcast was actually to try and

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involve authors, and especially Norse authors

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and artists and academics, people who had some

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kind of insight into the Viking sphere in order

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to augment the lack of knowledge that Stephen

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Bill had. But I brought Stephen to back me up.

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So I didn't, you know, in fact, everyone I brought

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in knew not really anything about Vikings. But

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you two had you've been friends for ages and

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you played together before. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Lots of chemistry. Well, of a sort toxic chemistry,

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perhaps. Well, the odd couple. Yeah, I kept thinking

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R2D2 and C3PO. It was that same level. Plus no

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one can understand. No one can understand anything

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Steve says. You also are a bit like mine and

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Anina's acquaintance Wayne Ingram that you DM

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public playable games on startplaying .com. I

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have done a little bit and then I got like a

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very heavy contract which is wrapped now like

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in my other life, my technical life. Um, it's

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wrapped now. So yeah, i'm getting ready to go

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back and do that again. So anyone listening to

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this look me up on start playing magic ludi I

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forget if i'm magic ludi or magic ludi 42. But

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anyway, it's one of those two things and I I

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believe becky's putting the link in just Um,

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yeah, yes, so I yes I do that and I have dm'd

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a lot I mean I I was the kid in my teens who

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bought the games that nobody had heard of. You

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know, I had the very early versions of D &D,

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and I showed Ian my original hardcover manuals

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from advanced Dungeons & Dragons, and he burst

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out laughing because he had only ever seen photos

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of them in collections somewhere. Yeah, museums.

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I probably dig them out here somewhere. I'll

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find them in a minute. But anyway, so yes, yes,

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I do do that, and I will do that, and I have

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done that. My other question is kind of like

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did you get excited for the chance to be a player

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instead of be the DM because I always am interested

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in how DMS do they always like to be the forever

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DM or do they like to be the bride as well as

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bridesmaid kind of what I find is it It makes

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me want to be I'm I become completely untethered.

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I'm like the nightmare. I'm my own nightmare

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because I'm used to all these players like Ed

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when when he would I run a game with my sons

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and some of the nephews and some of their friends.

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And Ed would forever be saying things like, OK,

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I'm going to balance on one toe and then throw

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a dagger in the air, catch it in my nostril,

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and then fling a fireball at the dragon. And

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that's all the first segment of the round. I'd

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go, no. So I find I kind of channel that sort

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of chaotic energy. It's being unchained, right?

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It's like, oh, now I can be the jerk who just

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causes chaos. Now I don't know if anyone would

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have picked up on that in this podcast, but it

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was certainly behind the scenes a little bit.

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No, not within the first 30 seconds anyway. Yeah,

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exactly. I had a funny follow up on that too,

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which is I DM CJ in our home game and getting

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to watch. I know that that was part of the joy

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for me is being the player here and just kind

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of watching the facial expressions of Ian on

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the video calls as CJ would, you know, bring

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his brilliant level of chaos from our game and

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then like double down on it in this game and

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just be completely wild and just kind of getting

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the watch and being like, yep, he's your problem

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now, Ian. I'm just going to be on the sidelines.

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It's great. I'm now imagining Gigi, but in like

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a different outfit. but it's still gg completely

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not far off to be honest there are differences

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but yeah the chaos level is definitely there

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that's what makes you fun cj so steve did you

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come to this podcast with any ttrpg experience

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then oh lord yes i've known bill since i don't

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know forever too long um and two thousand ish

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yeah yeah too long um i played um ttrpgs since

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forever i was much like Bill, except better.

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I was the guy who back in high school who bought

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all the books and I've been, I'm always the DM.

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I am the perpetual DM. I'm DMing two campaigns

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right now because I make bad choices fairly regularly.

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So when I had the opportunity to play as a player

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and, you know, and to do to some unsuspecting

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GM, all the nonsense is done to me on a regular

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basis. I really, I leapt at it. Even though I

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had no particular clue what I was doing, that

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didn't stop me because it never stops anyone

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else who I play with. So yeah, it was a great

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opportunity. You play with the, you call them

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affectionately the chuckle heads, the knuckle

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heads. That's not exactly the word I use. I call

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them the chuckle heads. Yeah. Have they listened

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back to it? Have they listened to you? Have you

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told them that you were doing it? Apparently

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I'm not highly competent at playing, I've been

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told that. Which I believe, I totally believe

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that. I've been playing with the same group of

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chuckleheads for... Oh my God, it must be 35

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years now, maybe going on 40. You're so old!

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Oh my God, you're so old. That's a game we played

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and you already lost, I think, Bill. But yeah,

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so it's been a long time. I've known the same

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guy since forever. They weren't impressed by

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my playing skills, which is appropriate, I think.

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Yeah. But, you know, I got to share my misery

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with you, Ian, and that was great joy for me.

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Therapeutic. Yes, highly therapeutic. So I guess

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that's kind of a roundtable question then. Besides

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kind of like connections with Ian or other players,

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was there something about the Vikingverse and

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this campaign setting, whether it was Norse or

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because it was sci -fi -esque, that maybe you've

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pulled you into it? Or was there other qualities?

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I thought, oh, I'd actually like to play in that

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universe and see what it's like. We'll start

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with you, CJ. You know, I used to get picked

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on first in class, too. It's my school experience.

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Ian emailed me, you know, because I had had him

00:23:21.829 --> 00:23:25.789
on my podcast, the Vikingology podcast, because

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I was already aware of the work that he'd done

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in our podcast. We explore both the academic

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side and the creative side of, you know, Vikings

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and popular culture, that sort of thing. And

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then, uh, and Ian emailed me saying, Hey, I'm

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doing this podcast and we're going to do a live

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play and our Home D &D group hadn't gotten together

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in a while because you know such such as the

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way of things and I really enjoy the The the

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performative side of all of this What Taylor's

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not telling you is I hadn't played D &D before

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I joined his group So it was brand new for me

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and I jumped in not knowing how to any of the

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rules I think how long did we play Taylor two

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years before I figured out how to actually use

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my character I just enjoy the social aspect of

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it and also the performative side of things you

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know and I like to do voices and like to play

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characters and that sort of thing so when Ian

00:24:24.849 --> 00:24:27.329
when Ian emailed me and said hey I'm doing this

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I was like yes I want in and then he's like okay

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well do you want to do an episode Uh, I mean

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can I do more? Oh, okay. Well, you know, he's

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he's kind of uh Just kind of tets in the waters

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to see what kind of level of commitment he's

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going to get from me and then you know I was

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like i'm all in I want to do something fun and

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Here we go. I got signed up for the the long

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the long haul Uh, and uh, and thanks to ian,

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you know somewhat railroading us a little bit,

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you know My character probably should have died

00:24:53.660 --> 00:24:56.740
a few times from some silly actions, uh, and

00:24:56.740 --> 00:25:01.769
we had to figure out how to bring him back but

00:25:01.769 --> 00:25:05.150
uh yeah that's uh i think i think it's yeah for

00:25:05.150 --> 00:25:09.170
me and you know it's interesting i just had um

00:25:09.170 --> 00:25:11.930
or we just had a guess on our on our other podcast

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where we talked about law in the viking age and

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there is this this thing about the performative

00:25:18.490 --> 00:25:21.589
side of things in the in viking age culture they

00:25:21.589 --> 00:25:23.009
didn't have a writing system they couldn't write

00:25:23.009 --> 00:25:25.789
things down so if you wanted people to remember

00:25:25.789 --> 00:25:29.250
that you know say you know, Steve sold a patch

00:25:29.250 --> 00:25:32.410
of land to bill, you couldn't just write it down

00:25:32.410 --> 00:25:34.630
in a contract for people to consult later, you

00:25:34.630 --> 00:25:36.609
had to bring witnesses and then you had to do

00:25:36.609 --> 00:25:38.410
a little ceremony and that this thing like passing

00:25:38.410 --> 00:25:41.170
the stick, but there's a, but we imagine that

00:25:41.170 --> 00:25:42.769
there was a performative side to it. We know

00:25:42.769 --> 00:25:45.609
the all thing that did that too. So, so for me,

00:25:45.630 --> 00:25:47.730
it's kind of maybe I'm tapping into like my Viking

00:25:47.730 --> 00:25:50.930
age, Ness, my Viking side, which is, you know,

00:25:50.930 --> 00:25:52.450
we joke that, you know, I'm like, I'm French,

00:25:52.650 --> 00:25:56.009
but there's a little bit of a, you know, Something

00:25:56.009 --> 00:25:59.369
else there, I think. I like your word choice,

00:25:59.369 --> 00:26:03.529
CJ. You jumped into D &D not knowing what it

00:26:03.529 --> 00:26:07.170
was about. It feels like that echoes things.

00:26:07.509 --> 00:26:11.549
Two feet first. Yeah, let's mess around and find

00:26:11.549 --> 00:26:14.170
out. Well, it brings up an interesting point

00:26:14.170 --> 00:26:17.589
because you're right. You don't want to be presumptive

00:26:17.589 --> 00:26:21.660
when you reach out to people. Because we recorded

00:26:21.660 --> 00:26:24.380
this for over six months, right? So it's every

00:26:24.380 --> 00:26:27.380
Monday with a break for the holidays for Christmas.

00:26:28.019 --> 00:26:29.940
But generally speaking, it was every Monday.

00:26:30.200 --> 00:26:32.839
And sometimes it involved people staying up late

00:26:32.839 --> 00:26:37.319
or reaching out to people that you don't know

00:26:37.319 --> 00:26:41.279
at all and saying, do you want to do this elaborate

00:26:41.279 --> 00:26:45.119
and crazy thing where you get to be performative

00:26:45.119 --> 00:26:48.940
with complete strangers? And it's all recorded

00:26:48.940 --> 00:26:53.880
for posterity. And so we had some great guests,

00:26:54.460 --> 00:26:58.720
and we're grateful to all of these guys for recording

00:26:58.720 --> 00:27:02.359
here, that they came back for more than one,

00:27:02.460 --> 00:27:05.480
because it was lots of fun. But just the nature

00:27:05.480 --> 00:27:11.440
of crashing new people into the podcast was very

00:27:11.440 --> 00:27:13.420
different to the usual D &D table, because the

00:27:13.420 --> 00:27:16.660
usual D &D table is your nephews, your friends.

00:27:16.960 --> 00:27:19.680
people that you know, acquaintances at least,

00:27:20.099 --> 00:27:22.460
all coming together and sitting ordinarily face

00:27:22.460 --> 00:27:25.359
-to -face and having fun. This was people all

00:27:25.359 --> 00:27:27.940
over the world not knowing each other, pretending

00:27:27.940 --> 00:27:32.819
to be Vikings, and trying to cobble that together.

00:27:33.440 --> 00:27:36.380
So there was, I think CJ joined for the first

00:27:36.380 --> 00:27:40.920
of the new format. which was to introduce the

00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:45.140
queers as a kind of icebreaker. And then he also

00:27:45.140 --> 00:27:49.079
took the role of being the Viking expert as a

00:27:49.079 --> 00:27:51.619
historian. He could talk authoritatively about

00:27:51.619 --> 00:27:58.039
that kind of stuff. And so that was also the

00:27:58.039 --> 00:28:01.339
goal with this thing is to try and change the

00:28:01.339 --> 00:28:04.539
dynamic each week by introducing new guests and

00:28:04.539 --> 00:28:07.579
that created a whole new level of chemistry.

00:28:10.299 --> 00:28:13.220
I think it worked really, really well. It worked

00:28:13.220 --> 00:28:16.019
really well. It gave me a chance to hop on board

00:28:16.019 --> 00:28:18.000
and hitchhike with the whole craziness of it

00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:23.039
all. But it kind of helped connect with the Viking

00:28:23.039 --> 00:28:25.420
-y aspect with the way you sort out people with

00:28:25.420 --> 00:28:27.799
Viking connections. I know I kept throwing names

00:28:27.799 --> 00:28:29.259
at you saying, oh, get that person, get that

00:28:29.259 --> 00:28:31.299
person, get that person. Well, tell the story

00:28:31.299 --> 00:28:34.019
about Anina. Because you brought Anina by being

00:28:34.019 --> 00:28:37.519
one of her biggest fans, right? And you recommended

00:28:37.519 --> 00:28:41.740
it. to us and so i'm interested in you know because

00:28:41.740 --> 00:28:43.720
you've been becky you played but then you reached

00:28:43.720 --> 00:28:46.200
out to an alien you persuaded her to take part

00:28:46.200 --> 00:28:51.400
in it was just like how did you do that well

00:28:51.400 --> 00:28:54.720
i'm i'm gonna confess that i think i saw becky

00:28:54.720 --> 00:28:57.700
post something on her instagram and i was like

00:28:57.700 --> 00:29:00.819
oh that looks really cool vikings that's interesting

00:29:00.819 --> 00:29:03.900
i've not played a ttrpg that's vikings so i did

00:29:03.900 --> 00:29:07.230
message her going oh my god that was cool And

00:29:07.230 --> 00:29:10.750
yet Becky has been a huge fan of Bardic Quest

00:29:10.750 --> 00:29:15.170
since the very beginning. Yeah, the very beginning.

00:29:15.509 --> 00:29:17.509
Been there from the start. Three and a half years.

00:29:18.349 --> 00:29:25.970
Yeah. And in that I play very much a Viking saga,

00:29:26.970 --> 00:29:31.670
but obviously a D &D. Viking, so the word Viking's

00:29:31.670 --> 00:29:35.069
not used, but everything else is very, the aesthetic,

00:29:35.609 --> 00:29:41.170
the lifestyle, everything is very based on Viking

00:29:41.170 --> 00:29:47.730
stuff. Well, my connection is probably, I'm Finnish,

00:29:47.990 --> 00:29:52.049
so, I mean, again, this is controversial, because

00:29:52.049 --> 00:29:53.950
some people are like, ditch people, we're never

00:29:53.950 --> 00:29:56.670
Vikings, and I'm like, what? So we magically

00:29:56.670 --> 00:30:00.079
stopped at the border of Finland. and didn't

00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:03.819
wander into Sweden or Norway, sure. Anyway, but

00:30:03.819 --> 00:30:08.140
yeah. But yeah, there's some interesting questions

00:30:08.140 --> 00:30:12.339
about Finnish people being the mutts of the Nordic

00:30:12.339 --> 00:30:17.119
countries. Well, the reference is the finna,

00:30:17.180 --> 00:30:21.720
because again, the verb, the grammatical way

00:30:21.720 --> 00:30:23.420
in which they were described is different in

00:30:23.420 --> 00:30:26.769
Norse, so they were the finna. pop up time and

00:30:26.769 --> 00:30:30.650
time again in the sagas as uh as wizards and

00:30:30.650 --> 00:30:34.210
sorceresses so you had it there was a there was

00:30:34.210 --> 00:30:37.450
a lot of griddick yeah there's a lot of magic

00:30:37.450 --> 00:30:44.789
behind your people yes and we and then then we

00:30:44.789 --> 00:30:48.069
had a chat and you were like email ian had a

00:30:48.069 --> 00:30:51.309
look at the stuff and i went oh we had a really

00:30:51.309 --> 00:30:56.440
nice really nice uh zoom where we talked about

00:30:56.440 --> 00:31:01.839
Tolkien and the influences he took from Kalevala,

00:31:01.859 --> 00:31:07.279
which is our epic tale, similar but distinctly

00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:12.099
different from Norse stuff. We have our own Thor,

00:31:12.819 --> 00:31:16.420
we have our own God of Thunder. So I really like

00:31:16.420 --> 00:31:19.779
looking at the differences of Finnish and Norse

00:31:19.779 --> 00:31:22.240
and what's same, what's different, because they're

00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:27.269
obviously... inspired by each other, but there's

00:31:27.269 --> 00:31:31.730
cultural differences. Yeah, and here we are.

00:31:31.769 --> 00:31:36.910
It was loads and loads of fun. I wanted to play

00:31:36.910 --> 00:31:39.789
someone very different from Saga, so I went for

00:31:39.789 --> 00:31:43.750
a... I think I pitched the character as, oh,

00:31:43.750 --> 00:31:47.930
I'll be, you know, one of these genetically engineered

00:31:47.930 --> 00:31:53.670
animal... Child soldiers, but I want to have

00:31:53.670 --> 00:31:59.009
total like labra labrador energy But I'm not

00:31:59.009 --> 00:32:03.190
killing things And then I thought because usually

00:32:03.190 --> 00:32:07.269
they're wolves I Think and I I went how can I

00:32:07.269 --> 00:32:10.549
make it more finish and I went have you Wolverine?

00:32:11.150 --> 00:32:16.029
so I Got to change it to a Wolverine and there

00:32:16.029 --> 00:32:19.529
we are So yeah, basically I'm here because Becky

00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:24.980
was one of our most eager fans and just got in

00:32:24.980 --> 00:32:26.880
touch with, I think, the whole cast from the

00:32:26.880 --> 00:32:29.859
very beginning. I did send it to Wayne. I said,

00:32:29.940 --> 00:32:32.259
Wayne, see if the guys are up for this. I'm not

00:32:32.259 --> 00:32:33.720
trying to nick them from you, Wayne, but let

00:32:33.720 --> 00:32:36.640
them have some fun elsewhere. I think, Wayne,

00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:39.299
you probably saw your email and then got too

00:32:39.299 --> 00:32:46.440
busy. But I jumped in. But yeah. How did it differ

00:32:46.440 --> 00:32:50.799
from Bardic Quest? What were the big differences?

00:32:51.819 --> 00:32:54.579
You've done three years of that. What did you

00:32:54.579 --> 00:32:59.019
find with this? Was it jarring? Not jarring,

00:32:59.019 --> 00:33:00.660
but it's always different with a different group

00:33:00.660 --> 00:33:03.559
of people. The energy is different. I'd say this

00:33:03.559 --> 00:33:13.099
is more chaotic, more fast -paced. I think you

00:33:13.099 --> 00:33:18.529
did warn me that It's a Harsher system like you

00:33:18.529 --> 00:33:23.509
might just one mistake you're out dead Whatever

00:33:23.509 --> 00:33:32.250
so higher risk. Um, but yeah Chaotic but a lot

00:33:32.250 --> 00:33:38.529
of fun a lot of laughs Well, then the first episode

00:33:38.529 --> 00:33:42.490
that a Nina showed up so I we put my my now what

00:33:42.490 --> 00:33:46.460
is the 18 month old son in daycare for the first

00:33:46.460 --> 00:33:49.079
time in January and anyone who's had children

00:33:49.079 --> 00:33:52.960
knows that the you get sick fairly regular regularly

00:33:52.960 --> 00:33:56.019
once that starts happening and every Monday I

00:33:56.019 --> 00:33:59.119
would show up with some different disease and

00:33:59.119 --> 00:34:01.420
we would have to find a way to work around it

00:34:01.420 --> 00:34:04.079
and the episode Anita showed up I I was still

00:34:04.079 --> 00:34:06.200
in the throes of norovirus I mean literally like

00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:08.639
I'd started the sentence the day before, but

00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:11.280
I was like, I can't miss the episode. We worked

00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:14.260
it to the episode. So I'm sorry, Nina. That must

00:34:14.260 --> 00:34:17.039
have been a bit jarring for you to show up. And

00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:19.000
it's like, by the way, one of the main characters

00:34:19.000 --> 00:34:25.219
has explosive diarrhea. And also diaper rash,

00:34:25.219 --> 00:34:31.420
I imagine. It wasn't great either. Yeah. You're

00:34:31.420 --> 00:34:35.139
weaving those kind of things in. made for an

00:34:35.139 --> 00:34:40.699
interesting kind of comedic background for Gigi.

00:34:41.019 --> 00:34:43.460
But it also is testimony to the fact that we

00:34:43.460 --> 00:34:47.300
really didn't reschedule a single episode in

00:34:47.300 --> 00:34:51.920
those six, seven months. Everyone was there on

00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:55.519
time and got it done. There were a couple of

00:34:55.519 --> 00:34:59.949
technical hurdles, but... You know nothing insurmountable.

00:34:59.989 --> 00:35:02.590
No, no even yeah I mean, I mean you took duck

00:35:02.590 --> 00:35:04.630
out of every single episode But I could you cover

00:35:04.630 --> 00:35:06.929
that with the with the edits while as you feel

00:35:06.929 --> 00:35:10.090
computer crapped out But the only one person

00:35:10.090 --> 00:35:16.610
who was a notion Eventually came back. Oh, yeah

00:35:16.610 --> 00:35:21.050
weeks later Yeah, so so we didn't have anyone

00:35:21.050 --> 00:35:25.110
who didn't join in with the kind of the right

00:35:25.110 --> 00:35:29.210
kind of Viking spirit There were people I asked,

00:35:29.349 --> 00:35:31.849
and I gave a rough description of what had happened

00:35:31.849 --> 00:35:35.449
in the previous episode, and in a fair number

00:35:35.449 --> 00:35:38.769
of cases I got no response at all. Well, there's

00:35:38.769 --> 00:35:41.829
this sex bot who was cut in half during a trial

00:35:41.829 --> 00:35:45.210
by combat, and lubricant went everywhere. I was

00:35:45.210 --> 00:35:51.309
like, huh. And do you want to play? I think it

00:35:51.309 --> 00:35:53.269
says something about your skills as a pitch man.

00:35:53.940 --> 00:35:57.239
Yeah, I I think we missed a trick with the first

00:35:57.239 --> 00:35:59.800
episode I was in I just thought about it Why

00:35:59.800 --> 00:36:10.380
wasn't Gigi's character just allergic to? That

00:36:10.380 --> 00:36:12.079
would have helped explain the next couple of

00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:13.900
episodes where I was sick with something else

00:36:16.670 --> 00:36:19.210
It was about a month of CJ coming with a new

00:36:19.210 --> 00:36:23.349
melody. But it goes to show, again, the nature

00:36:23.349 --> 00:36:27.869
of the thing, because it is just improvisation

00:36:27.869 --> 00:36:33.469
every single week. And while I tried my best

00:36:33.469 --> 00:36:39.210
to have a plan, as we know from General Moltke,

00:36:39.610 --> 00:36:42.610
as soon as you have a plan, it meets the enemy,

00:36:42.650 --> 00:36:45.840
it gets thrown out of the window. I pointed a

00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:48.019
friend of mine at it and he listened to like

00:36:48.019 --> 00:36:51.559
the first three and he said That's all scripted,

00:36:51.699 --> 00:36:56.179
right? Which I think speaks to your editing probably

00:36:56.179 --> 00:36:58.820
in more than the improvisational qualities. I

00:36:58.820 --> 00:37:01.320
had to say no, we're just we're just making it

00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:08.010
up. We have no idea Yeah, well Well Taylor, obviously

00:37:08.010 --> 00:37:10.949
you come with a very specific set of skills and

00:37:10.949 --> 00:37:13.329
expertise from kind of like the medieval world

00:37:13.329 --> 00:37:15.949
of history. Was there anything about this setting

00:37:15.949 --> 00:37:18.769
that appealed to you from that kind of context

00:37:18.769 --> 00:37:24.949
besides just being a general D &D player? Yeah,

00:37:25.230 --> 00:37:28.650
I mean, I love the Creed. Once I like really

00:37:28.650 --> 00:37:32.170
dove into it and started reading through the...

00:37:32.059 --> 00:37:34.599
the rule books and the supplements and stuff

00:37:34.599 --> 00:37:36.699
like that, and kind of seeing the world that

00:37:36.699 --> 00:37:42.139
was created there. I have a layman's knowledge

00:37:42.139 --> 00:37:46.380
of Norse mythology, so stuff was familiar, but

00:37:46.380 --> 00:37:49.760
I have no expertise in it, but it was the creativity

00:37:49.760 --> 00:37:52.190
that really kind of like... Latched on to me

00:37:52.190 --> 00:37:55.909
seeing like how the ancient weapons were modernized

00:37:55.909 --> 00:37:58.949
for you know, sci -fi, you know the How do you

00:37:58.949 --> 00:38:00.869
bring guns into a Viking world? How do you still

00:38:00.869 --> 00:38:03.489
you know keep that kind of you know through line

00:38:03.489 --> 00:38:07.289
going so that was That was just a pleasure to

00:38:07.289 --> 00:38:09.949
kind of see the world building be so, you know

00:38:09.949 --> 00:38:15.570
concrete. I mean we do a we do a homebrew campaign

00:38:15.570 --> 00:38:19.639
and And it is exhausting to keep that world building

00:38:19.639 --> 00:38:23.219
going. So to see that this world was so fleshed

00:38:23.219 --> 00:38:25.440
out and didn't, as far as I could tell, ever

00:38:25.440 --> 00:38:28.679
have any real hiccups at all, even though we

00:38:28.679 --> 00:38:30.460
threw everything we could to try and destabilize

00:38:30.460 --> 00:38:35.260
it, it was airtight. And it's art in that sense.

00:38:35.360 --> 00:38:38.679
And it's just art watching a good GM be able

00:38:38.679 --> 00:38:40.920
to keep that world, keep that storyline there.

00:38:41.429 --> 00:38:43.809
as much as we do, you know, everything in our

00:38:43.809 --> 00:38:46.469
power to break it. So, but I'm like, I mean,

00:38:46.469 --> 00:38:50.150
I'm also, I mean, a gigantic Tolkien fan. So

00:38:50.150 --> 00:38:55.949
I kind of always get into Viking stuff as a,

00:38:55.949 --> 00:38:57.869
you know, Tolkien's the gateway drug to the Norse

00:38:57.869 --> 00:39:00.230
sagas to me. And as far as I'm concerned, and

00:39:00.230 --> 00:39:02.710
it's just, you know, a constant joy to see those

00:39:02.710 --> 00:39:04.329
kinds of things and try and create those epic

00:39:04.329 --> 00:39:07.360
stories. I think Ian, you gave me my favorite

00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:10.940
piece of directing with near the finale, I think

00:39:10.940 --> 00:39:12.780
it was, which is, actually, it was like my second

00:39:12.780 --> 00:39:15.539
episode, but you were seeing way ahead towards

00:39:15.539 --> 00:39:17.179
the finale. You're like, I'm going to give you

00:39:17.179 --> 00:39:18.920
your Bernard Hill, Thea didn't charge moment,

00:39:18.980 --> 00:39:20.420
like your blaze of glory thing. And I'm like,

00:39:20.460 --> 00:39:22.179
cool, that's my North Star. I'm just going to

00:39:22.179 --> 00:39:24.940
stick with that. And I was just hooked. I mean,

00:39:25.019 --> 00:39:28.239
from day one, it was great. Yeah, so there's

00:39:28.239 --> 00:39:31.840
a little bit of secret sauce there in that everyone

00:39:31.840 --> 00:39:34.980
did have. I didn't interfere with character choices

00:39:34.980 --> 00:39:37.230
at all. everyone could do what they like they

00:39:37.230 --> 00:39:38.989
you know they said how about this you do what

00:39:38.989 --> 00:39:41.030
you like because the whole point is to have fun

00:39:41.030 --> 00:39:44.670
and interestingly enough you know i was actually

00:39:44.670 --> 00:39:46.929
very surprised when i i ended up with in the

00:39:46.929 --> 00:39:49.769
first episode you know an alpha and a doc alpha

00:39:49.769 --> 00:39:53.190
because they are diametrically opposed and in

00:39:53.190 --> 00:39:57.949
when i'd run this previously everyone had basically

00:39:57.949 --> 00:40:01.469
chosen humans or something you know the majority

00:40:01.469 --> 00:40:05.030
of the party were men um as opposed to men with

00:40:05.030 --> 00:40:06.969
two ends in case you think i'm being sexist that's

00:40:06.969 --> 00:40:10.750
the the norse equivalent but they were um they

00:40:10.750 --> 00:40:17.170
tended to be just more normal and what this campaign

00:40:17.170 --> 00:40:20.449
and the choice is here instantly went off in

00:40:20.449 --> 00:40:25.050
a different direction. And so we started off

00:40:25.050 --> 00:40:29.090
with the kind of bedrock being these two long

00:40:29.090 --> 00:40:34.230
dead warriors who bickered over the centuries.

00:40:34.550 --> 00:40:39.030
And that was then the starting point. And once

00:40:39.030 --> 00:40:42.809
they had mown down the various people who joined

00:40:42.809 --> 00:40:44.789
the first couple of episodes as guests and CJ

00:40:44.789 --> 00:40:50.059
joined, it really did start to... to build into

00:40:50.059 --> 00:40:54.760
something really quite ludicrous. Well, one of

00:40:54.760 --> 00:40:57.480
the things I loved about CJ's character was he

00:40:57.480 --> 00:41:01.460
brought this enormous ego and total self -interest,

00:41:01.960 --> 00:41:04.880
whereas he seemed, as unaware as all of us were,

00:41:05.199 --> 00:41:07.619
he seemed the most unaware of anything except

00:41:07.619 --> 00:41:10.460
his own glory. And I thought it was wonderful.

00:41:10.739 --> 00:41:14.800
And I had to... camp myself down not to start

00:41:14.800 --> 00:41:18.659
channeling that same voice because I love the

00:41:18.659 --> 00:41:23.179
just over -the -top confidence of this this giant

00:41:23.179 --> 00:41:26.219
idiot who had had everything handed to him all

00:41:26.219 --> 00:41:28.719
his life and it made him I don't know I feel

00:41:28.719 --> 00:41:31.139
like there's weird parallels in the in current

00:41:31.139 --> 00:41:33.099
reality but I can't think what they might be

00:41:33.099 --> 00:41:38.460
um anyway it was it was terrific fun and allowed

00:41:38.460 --> 00:41:41.320
Steve and I to just be in the in the gutter picking

00:41:41.320 --> 00:41:45.340
at each other and running away and whatever else

00:41:45.340 --> 00:41:48.199
we thought we needed. But the only direction

00:41:48.199 --> 00:41:53.760
that I gave, and Taylor referenced it there briefly,

00:41:54.139 --> 00:41:56.780
was I'd kind of say, here's a North Star. Here

00:41:56.780 --> 00:42:01.840
is one thing to think about. And that's all you

00:42:01.840 --> 00:42:04.179
have to worry about, as long as you do this.

00:42:04.500 --> 00:42:06.440
Because then you've got some kind of anchor.

00:42:08.500 --> 00:42:13.139
Steve's, yours was always the mine. Yeah. Actually,

00:42:13.139 --> 00:42:15.239
I just want to throw something in is that with

00:42:15.239 --> 00:42:17.579
regards to character choices, I was going to

00:42:17.579 --> 00:42:20.800
be a doc alfar, but my initial thought was to

00:42:20.800 --> 00:42:23.260
be a healer because that's more traditionally

00:42:23.260 --> 00:42:25.920
a thing that I do. And the discussion was, no,

00:42:26.039 --> 00:42:28.719
no, no, Bill's going to be the healer. And so

00:42:28.719 --> 00:42:32.059
that sort of sorted, which I mean, And you did

00:42:32.059 --> 00:42:35.300
eventually start healing people, Bill, around

00:42:35.300 --> 00:42:38.159
episode, what, 19 or 20. You remembered that

00:42:38.159 --> 00:42:39.960
you were, in fact, a party healer. I was saving

00:42:39.960 --> 00:42:44.199
it till we really needed it. Yeah, never mind

00:42:44.199 --> 00:42:47.820
the trail of bodies we left behind us. Well,

00:42:47.920 --> 00:42:49.960
they weren't, they were, you know, they didn't

00:42:49.960 --> 00:42:54.599
matter. He had the equivalent of a resurrection

00:42:54.599 --> 00:42:57.539
spell, and he'd always go for cure -like wounds.

00:42:58.650 --> 00:43:03.349
I was saving it for when I needed it. Oh my god,

00:43:03.489 --> 00:43:09.670
so obvious. You needed it. Yes. Yes, that's the

00:43:09.670 --> 00:43:14.570
joy of a slightly new system. So obviously we

00:43:14.570 --> 00:43:18.329
know that you were keen to have those two opposites

00:43:18.329 --> 00:43:21.670
of the elves from, obviously inspired from mythology,

00:43:21.989 --> 00:43:24.050
combined with the alpha from Alfheim, the dark

00:43:24.050 --> 00:43:26.110
alpha being related to dwarves and that kind

00:43:26.110 --> 00:43:28.780
of thing. and Enid you explained how you wanted

00:43:28.780 --> 00:43:32.780
to be a animal soldier and therefore went to

00:43:32.780 --> 00:43:36.059
finish with the Wolverine. Taylor did you always

00:43:36.059 --> 00:43:40.519
want to be an alfar as well or did Ian possibly

00:43:40.519 --> 00:43:42.500
give you a hint that oh maybe we could do someone

00:43:42.500 --> 00:43:50.239
else to help Bill be a better alfar? I don't

00:43:50.239 --> 00:43:52.659
think I was given that specific of a hint of,

00:43:53.059 --> 00:43:55.579
hey, let's step up the Alphar game here. But

00:43:55.579 --> 00:43:58.079
I think it became pretty apparent once I joined

00:43:58.079 --> 00:44:02.579
that that was needed. I didn't, unfortunately,

00:44:02.719 --> 00:44:05.719
have as much time as I like before my first episode

00:44:05.719 --> 00:44:07.559
to really dive in and create a character. So

00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:10.659
Ian was very helpful in kind of saying, here's

00:44:10.659 --> 00:44:12.880
a framework you could start with and then build

00:44:12.880 --> 00:44:14.679
on it from there. And then we were able to go

00:44:14.679 --> 00:44:17.210
back of a back and forth a few times but I did

00:44:17.210 --> 00:44:20.170
love the idea of coming in not playing a typical

00:44:20.170 --> 00:44:23.469
you know human fighter or whatever the equivalent

00:44:23.469 --> 00:44:25.429
would have been in this world and having something

00:44:25.429 --> 00:44:28.130
a little bit more nuanced and a little bit more

00:44:28.130 --> 00:44:31.590
out I don't usually play healers in other RPG

00:44:31.590 --> 00:44:33.909
games I usually play you know and I wouldn't

00:44:33.909 --> 00:44:36.889
necessarily say Cole's you know a crew healer

00:44:36.889 --> 00:44:39.610
either but it was I I think there was the moment

00:44:39.610 --> 00:44:43.590
in my first episode when we were in uh we were

00:44:43.590 --> 00:44:46.530
trying to rescue the lore speaker and it was

00:44:46.530 --> 00:44:49.050
Anita and I trying to break into this building

00:44:49.050 --> 00:44:52.630
where Gigi was juggling grenades these two were

00:44:52.630 --> 00:44:55.030
off somewhere else and we were the only ones

00:44:55.030 --> 00:44:58.429
doing the plot yeah we were the only ones actually

00:44:58.429 --> 00:45:04.139
literally the only ones in the plot And and I

00:45:04.139 --> 00:45:06.000
think the moment I realized I needed to kind

00:45:06.000 --> 00:45:08.800
of be the the Alphard doing Alphard things was

00:45:08.800 --> 00:45:11.260
when I think I used what was it? I have my character

00:45:11.260 --> 00:45:16.769
sheet to avoid some trap that Ian was kind of

00:45:16.769 --> 00:45:18.849
telegraphing a little bit. And I think there

00:45:18.849 --> 00:45:20.590
was a moment where Ian just kind of looks at

00:45:20.590 --> 00:45:23.269
Bill and is like, yeah, see, he's using his sheet.

00:45:24.269 --> 00:45:26.949
This is how it can help you. I still don't get

00:45:26.949 --> 00:45:31.110
what he was trying to get at there. It's a mystery.

00:45:32.050 --> 00:45:37.019
The irony is his dream site gives you a... Foretelling

00:45:37.019 --> 00:45:39.519
of the future and enables you to divine what's

00:45:39.519 --> 00:45:42.820
going on around you Bill didn't use it in 22

00:45:42.820 --> 00:45:49.260
episodes. I'm making a note. Yeah You know when

00:45:49.260 --> 00:45:52.880
I when I pitched the coming on the show to taylor

00:45:52.880 --> 00:45:55.820
We had we had gone through so many bodies at

00:45:55.820 --> 00:45:58.159
that point that you know I just said hey won't

00:45:58.159 --> 00:45:59.860
you come on the show and you can be a guest?

00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:01.519
You can just have some fun and learn the game

00:46:02.349 --> 00:46:05.230
and and taylor's like oh so like what's the commitment

00:46:05.230 --> 00:46:07.329
i was like just come on for a show okay you'll

00:46:07.329 --> 00:46:09.449
take you'll be there for an hour you'll die it's

00:46:09.449 --> 00:46:12.510
fine and then he and then poor guy ended up stuck

00:46:12.510 --> 00:46:15.909
with us until the very end thank you i think

00:46:15.909 --> 00:46:17.769
i think ian originally said yeah maybe like two

00:46:17.769 --> 00:46:19.829
episodes and it's like six later i think is what

00:46:19.829 --> 00:46:23.710
ended up being longer than most other characters

00:46:25.500 --> 00:46:27.440
Every time I would finish and I would text CJ,

00:46:27.559 --> 00:46:29.380
I'm like, how am I still alive? Like, I thought

00:46:29.380 --> 00:46:31.400
I was going to kill off. Like, I'm happy to keep

00:46:31.400 --> 00:46:33.639
coming back, but like, I'm on time at this point.

00:46:35.800 --> 00:46:40.579
Well, you did have a heroic and fiery death.

00:46:41.139 --> 00:46:43.800
I did have a heroic and fiery death. We arranged

00:46:43.800 --> 00:46:47.039
for you to come on. I think Ian clung to you

00:46:47.039 --> 00:46:49.900
like a piece of driftwood in a storm. I think

00:46:49.900 --> 00:46:52.679
you came along and he went, oh my God, this is

00:46:52.679 --> 00:46:54.920
how I get out of this thing. Yeah, well, it was

00:46:54.920 --> 00:46:58.820
the same with Anina. The time difference made

00:46:58.820 --> 00:47:01.960
it hard for Anina to join, and she was often

00:47:01.960 --> 00:47:04.500
doing auditions and stuff. But I'd ping her every

00:47:04.500 --> 00:47:08.860
week and say, can you join? And she'd say, I

00:47:08.860 --> 00:47:15.739
can't, I've got an audition. Okay. We have multiple

00:47:15.739 --> 00:47:18.519
recurring characters on today in this podcast,

00:47:18.519 --> 00:47:21.440
and I thought that was a really cool thing. I

00:47:21.440 --> 00:47:24.369
thought that helped. add some thread to lace

00:47:24.369 --> 00:47:26.849
the whole thing together and give anchor points

00:47:26.849 --> 00:47:29.750
to the story. And, you know, it's like a TV series

00:47:29.750 --> 00:47:32.289
where a favorite recurring character shows up

00:47:32.289 --> 00:47:35.250
again. It's great fun. I did enjoy that. I think

00:47:35.250 --> 00:47:38.090
that's the first podcast I've guessed it on where

00:47:38.090 --> 00:47:43.349
it was like you can dip in and out. And it was

00:47:43.349 --> 00:47:48.170
a lot of fun and surprising because I would have

00:47:48.170 --> 00:47:52.719
a week off and That'd be like well, yeah, like

00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:58.860
I can I can jump on and then Ian would rise away

00:47:58.860 --> 00:48:06.760
from a pit Because in the first episode I did

00:48:06.760 --> 00:48:12.659
fall into a pit due to my own bad dice rolling

00:48:12.659 --> 00:48:19.050
So that was all not planned I just fell But yeah,

00:48:19.070 --> 00:48:21.429
I really enjoyed that. It was nice to be able

00:48:21.429 --> 00:48:30.289
to work around. Because again, just having body

00:48:30.289 --> 00:48:34.590
quests as a recurring thing is hard enough. I

00:48:34.590 --> 00:48:38.050
just never know what I'm doing. It's like, do

00:48:38.050 --> 00:48:41.070
I have a gig? Do I have an audition? I don't

00:48:41.070 --> 00:48:45.610
know. I'd love to be there if I can. Thank you

00:48:45.610 --> 00:48:47.710
for the flexibility, and especially if people

00:48:47.710 --> 00:48:52.550
enjoyed sort of guest stars popping in. That's

00:48:52.550 --> 00:48:55.570
good. Becky, can I ask a question of these? One

00:48:55.570 --> 00:49:01.989
I've always been interested in. So we used to

00:49:01.989 --> 00:49:04.570
talk about the fact that some of the cast have

00:49:04.570 --> 00:49:08.969
plot armor. Right? And so you had to survive

00:49:08.969 --> 00:49:10.530
because you were going to be a good character.

00:49:11.570 --> 00:49:16.289
But at the same time, there was one of my favorite

00:49:16.289 --> 00:49:21.489
episodes to GM was in the middle where there

00:49:21.489 --> 00:49:27.429
was a TPK and everyone died. I'm just interested

00:49:27.429 --> 00:49:31.510
in your all of your individual recollections

00:49:31.510 --> 00:49:36.900
and kind of and what you genuinely thought at

00:49:36.900 --> 00:49:40.480
that time. Because I edited it all so much, but

00:49:40.480 --> 00:49:42.940
I can hear people's voices still in my head,

00:49:43.260 --> 00:49:46.800
like CJ would go, am I dead? And just like the

00:49:46.800 --> 00:49:49.300
careerlessness, the shock of it. And so I'm interested

00:49:49.300 --> 00:49:52.039
in whether you genuinely thought at that point,

00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:57.219
oh my God, I've done it. When I realized everyone

00:49:57.219 --> 00:50:04.690
died, I was like. is this how you end the podcast?

00:50:04.750 --> 00:50:10.230
I did have an image of like, well, he did say

00:50:10.230 --> 00:50:13.909
there's a risk that you die, and I'm like, I

00:50:13.909 --> 00:50:16.829
guess we're ending on, I don't know what episode

00:50:16.829 --> 00:50:20.190
number it was, but I'm like, there was a good

00:50:20.190 --> 00:50:25.250
10 seconds that I was like, bolt, everything's

00:50:25.250 --> 00:50:28.730
dead. Everyone, like if I die, fair enough, but

00:50:28.730 --> 00:50:37.519
I'm like, no, everyone's dead. I think after

00:50:37.519 --> 00:50:39.599
the initial shock, it was sort of, oh, it looks

00:50:39.599 --> 00:50:41.960
like we're all dead. My next thought was sort

00:50:41.960 --> 00:50:43.760
of from a narrative point of view was sort of,

00:50:43.880 --> 00:50:48.800
OK, Ian, write your way out of this. You bastard.

00:50:51.400 --> 00:50:55.780
Because, Bill, you went first. You drove off

00:50:55.780 --> 00:50:58.179
into the sunset, so to speak. Yeah. I mean, I

00:50:58.179 --> 00:51:02.360
was an early reader, Ian, of your. novels and

00:51:02.360 --> 00:51:06.420
then of the first drafts of this rule system,

00:51:06.780 --> 00:51:09.559
including all the scenarios. But I had been careful

00:51:09.559 --> 00:51:12.780
not to go back into it. But I did remember there

00:51:12.780 --> 00:51:17.320
was a very charming time loop one. So when that

00:51:17.320 --> 00:51:24.679
happened, I did my best to act. That's how I

00:51:24.679 --> 00:51:29.159
act. If I'm ever in that position, there's some

00:51:29.159 --> 00:51:35.440
quality art coming. Anyway, but I thought this

00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:37.860
is probably the one, but I hadn't remembered

00:51:37.860 --> 00:51:39.780
enough detail because it had been some years

00:51:39.780 --> 00:51:42.500
before that I'd read it. And frankly, I'm getting

00:51:42.500 --> 00:51:45.099
older and Steve's constantly buzzing in one ear

00:51:45.099 --> 00:51:48.860
and it's just, I have children and there's a

00:51:48.860 --> 00:51:50.920
dog in the neighborhood and there's squirrels.

00:51:51.950 --> 00:51:55.309
Above I'm trying to channel crazy old man and

00:51:55.309 --> 00:51:57.809
apparently doing really well by the flat stairs.

00:51:57.809 --> 00:52:01.670
I'm getting across the screen right now, so But

00:52:01.670 --> 00:52:06.369
see CJ was it a surprise But he there was a there

00:52:06.369 --> 00:52:09.989
was a moment where it was like, oh well, we finally

00:52:09.989 --> 00:52:16.150
did it And I think it was the episode there's

00:52:16.150 --> 00:52:21.409
one episode where Gigi Did something really crazy?

00:52:22.219 --> 00:52:27.159
An episode sorry an episode In particular where

00:52:27.159 --> 00:52:29.619
he came in and then yelled yelled, you know We

00:52:29.619 --> 00:52:34.199
shall do this because I have plot and in the

00:52:34.199 --> 00:52:37.880
episode And so it's just kind of like oh as it's

00:52:37.880 --> 00:52:40.139
you know He was getting a little little ahead

00:52:40.139 --> 00:52:42.659
of himself and I think we all TPK the next the

00:52:42.659 --> 00:52:44.440
next episode and that's where I was like Well,

00:52:44.440 --> 00:52:46.880
that'll teach me but see going back to the whole

00:52:46.880 --> 00:52:50.400
this the the the joy of this for me is that performative

00:52:50.400 --> 00:52:52.780
aspect I had three other characters that I built

00:52:52.780 --> 00:52:56.320
the background. I was ready. I was like, if he

00:52:56.320 --> 00:52:59.239
dies, I've got another one. I've got another

00:52:59.239 --> 00:53:01.320
voice and I've got a completely different character

00:53:01.320 --> 00:53:03.539
and we can kill him and then we can do the next

00:53:03.539 --> 00:53:05.079
one. Like I was just, I was really excited. I

00:53:05.079 --> 00:53:06.980
mean, Taylor knows cause he's seen all the characters

00:53:06.980 --> 00:53:09.099
I created for our campaign. Cause like, look,

00:53:09.119 --> 00:53:11.639
cause the character I play on that campaign is

00:53:11.639 --> 00:53:14.260
Bellanos and how he's still alive. I don't know.

00:53:14.440 --> 00:53:15.820
He should have probably, you know, and then I

00:53:15.820 --> 00:53:17.280
was just like, well, then I've got a barbarian

00:53:17.280 --> 00:53:18.619
after that. And then I'm going to barred after

00:53:18.619 --> 00:53:24.300
that. Well, Becky, you were literally a clone

00:53:24.300 --> 00:53:27.920
race and your clone comes back in several forms.

00:53:28.119 --> 00:53:30.219
What was it like? Because you didn't die in that

00:53:30.219 --> 00:53:34.960
particular episode, but you did die despite the

00:53:34.960 --> 00:53:37.619
kind of very clear warnings from all of these

00:53:37.619 --> 00:53:40.079
guys. And I remember you cursing yourself because

00:53:40.079 --> 00:53:45.900
it's like you walked into it and you literally

00:53:45.900 --> 00:53:50.090
kind of touched the door of death. Yes, that's

00:53:50.090 --> 00:53:52.730
why she saw it happen for the NPC and Brynn my

00:53:52.730 --> 00:53:54.489
character thought well it's happened to one person

00:53:54.489 --> 00:53:56.030
it can't possibly happen to me because I've got

00:53:56.030 --> 00:53:58.090
the special key card which should help me be

00:53:58.090 --> 00:54:02.150
immune from whatever's happening and no no it

00:54:02.150 --> 00:54:04.510
was it was interesting to play if anything I

00:54:04.510 --> 00:54:06.969
found it her playing her more challenging than

00:54:06.969 --> 00:54:11.389
any other character because I've like my other

00:54:11.389 --> 00:54:15.929
non kind of like podcast games I'm playing definitely

00:54:15.929 --> 00:54:18.780
not well non -human race, I play as a back sea,

00:54:18.900 --> 00:54:21.860
I play a dragonborn. I find them more fun to

00:54:21.860 --> 00:54:23.699
play because I can let my imagination loose,

00:54:23.739 --> 00:54:25.400
whereas I'm playing a human thinking like, oh,

00:54:25.480 --> 00:54:27.760
am I being more like myself or do I be less like

00:54:27.760 --> 00:54:31.480
myself? And when I have to be some kind of cybernetic

00:54:31.480 --> 00:54:34.099
implanted woman with cables here and bloody lights

00:54:34.099 --> 00:54:36.460
and visors, I'm like, I don't know how scientific

00:54:36.460 --> 00:54:39.519
to be. I've never been scientific because I'm

00:54:39.519 --> 00:54:41.679
just generally eccentric and carefree kind of

00:54:41.679 --> 00:54:44.039
thing. So I tried to go down a slightly nerdy

00:54:44.039 --> 00:54:45.940
route and then she kind of got a slight posse

00:54:45.940 --> 00:54:47.539
of a tone and I've got no idea where that came

00:54:47.539 --> 00:54:53.260
from. But yes, it was fun playing those two episodes

00:54:53.260 --> 00:54:55.480
and especially with my guest at the time who

00:54:55.480 --> 00:54:57.960
was Sam Fleagle, the Norse artist who I interviewed

00:54:57.960 --> 00:55:01.059
in episode 14 after I interviewed you in episode

00:55:01.059 --> 00:55:04.099
13 because he added a lovely flavour being a

00:55:04.099 --> 00:55:06.440
Norse poet and actually quoting Norse poetry

00:55:06.440 --> 00:55:08.739
which really kind of like brought the whole atmosphere

00:55:08.739 --> 00:55:15.809
to life. Whenever there was a Norse poet, CJ

00:55:15.809 --> 00:55:19.630
would say something along the lines of, there's

00:55:19.630 --> 00:55:22.809
only one authentic poet here, can you be quiet?

00:55:23.070 --> 00:55:29.650
You're terrible. It was like, we get the point,

00:55:29.829 --> 00:55:40.280
stop showing off. poofed into non -existence

00:55:40.280 --> 00:55:43.360
quite literally. He kind of like went beyond

00:55:43.360 --> 00:55:45.460
that point, although I was a bit cheeky because

00:55:45.460 --> 00:55:48.360
after my character demise I stayed on in the

00:55:48.360 --> 00:55:50.340
podcast. I just muted myself and I could see

00:55:50.340 --> 00:55:51.860
what these guys were going to struggle with and

00:55:51.860 --> 00:55:56.599
so I mentioned something in the chat. I like

00:55:56.599 --> 00:55:58.659
to think I was the Norns being very naughty and

00:55:58.659 --> 00:56:01.059
whispering, well not the Norns, maybe Loki, probably

00:56:01.059 --> 00:56:02.940
more Loki than Norns because I think I was the

00:56:02.940 --> 00:56:04.699
one who suggested using the dynamite for the

00:56:04.699 --> 00:56:09.570
door and Sam went and got the dynamite. Thank

00:56:09.570 --> 00:56:14.750
God you did. This is why you fit in so well because

00:56:14.750 --> 00:56:19.090
your initial impulses were quite chaotic and

00:56:19.090 --> 00:56:21.349
against your own best interest and then after

00:56:21.349 --> 00:56:23.989
it was too late you got quite clear on how it

00:56:23.989 --> 00:56:26.050
should have gone down which is like a perfect

00:56:26.050 --> 00:56:32.539
match for our whole approach. If I could have

00:56:32.539 --> 00:56:34.619
come back for the next episode, I would have,

00:56:34.760 --> 00:56:36.920
but being a mum with a four and a half year old,

00:56:37.099 --> 00:56:39.320
a CJ with a test code like parents, we value

00:56:39.320 --> 00:56:42.059
our sleep. And I'm not much of a night owl, but

00:56:42.059 --> 00:56:44.039
I will push the boat out for you guys because

00:56:44.039 --> 00:56:47.460
I absolutely adore all you as people and as characters

00:56:47.460 --> 00:56:50.860
so much. I had the best time and fun listening

00:56:50.860 --> 00:56:52.800
as well because I followed it from the start

00:56:52.800 --> 00:56:56.590
all the way through to the very, very end. So

00:56:56.590 --> 00:56:59.269
it was just absolutely superb. And I was thinking

00:56:59.269 --> 00:57:01.690
before this record, what would my favorite moment

00:57:01.690 --> 00:57:04.190
be? And I think it would have to be aptly when

00:57:04.190 --> 00:57:06.389
Taylor and the ship, the Valkyr, which I love

00:57:06.389 --> 00:57:09.809
the name of, went flying off, albeit burning,

00:57:10.170 --> 00:57:14.889
dismantled by a nonic entity. Kind of like someone

00:57:14.889 --> 00:57:17.769
saying, I think it was Steve who said, no CJ

00:57:17.769 --> 00:57:20.409
said, when are we? Someone said. where are we

00:57:20.409 --> 00:57:23.150
then i think bill said who are we and i thought

00:57:23.150 --> 00:57:26.949
that just sums up the entire podcast really really

00:57:26.949 --> 00:57:31.590
well i like that taylor got the heroic moment

00:57:31.590 --> 00:57:34.769
the actual an actual real heroic it was good

00:57:34.769 --> 00:57:39.630
to have one you know going down with the ship

00:57:39.630 --> 00:57:46.369
he had to he had the yeah And the charge yeah,

00:57:46.369 --> 00:57:49.150
there's like a whole ten seconds of just like

00:57:49.150 --> 00:57:52.789
ringing silence after You know Ian described

00:57:52.789 --> 00:57:54.909
the ship going down because I think these two

00:57:54.909 --> 00:57:57.250
were like, wait a minute. Wait, he's actually

00:57:57.250 --> 00:58:00.710
dead Like he's made it this far. I thought he

00:58:00.710 --> 00:58:01.869
was going the whole way. It's like nope. See

00:58:01.869 --> 00:58:07.849
ya That's my favorite moment do any of you guys

00:58:07.849 --> 00:58:09.969
have a particular favorite moment from either

00:58:09.969 --> 00:58:13.130
your episodes or episodes With other characters

00:58:13.130 --> 00:58:19.670
that obviously aren't joining us tonight My yes,

00:58:19.750 --> 00:58:25.449
I oh I have one it's it's The moment is the episode

00:58:25.449 --> 00:58:30.730
with with Josh Gillingham And, um, he was, he

00:58:30.730 --> 00:58:32.670
was playing there. We had two guests playing

00:58:32.670 --> 00:58:35.130
men. We had a little bit of a run in. They were

00:58:35.130 --> 00:58:38.110
investigating the murder or whatnot. And there

00:58:38.110 --> 00:58:41.849
was a strange shadow entity roaming around killing

00:58:41.849 --> 00:58:43.949
people and whatnot, you know, the run of the

00:58:43.949 --> 00:58:46.710
mill stuff. And we got to this building, I think

00:58:46.710 --> 00:58:48.590
it was the healing shack or something like that.

00:58:48.829 --> 00:58:51.130
And whatever we saw was up on the roof and Josh

00:58:51.130 --> 00:58:53.190
goes up there and kind of going to the caution

00:58:53.190 --> 00:58:55.409
of if you make one mistake in this game, it can

00:58:55.409 --> 00:58:58.210
be very. it can be finished quite quickly for

00:58:58.210 --> 00:59:00.989
you now we had faster deaths like the berserker

00:59:00.989 --> 00:59:03.409
who went and got his head locked off but the

00:59:03.409 --> 00:59:05.530
i think what was that 48 minutes it was quick

00:59:05.530 --> 00:59:09.630
it was but but josh goes up onto the roof and

00:59:09.630 --> 00:59:12.349
this thing you know basically kills his character

00:59:12.349 --> 00:59:14.789
and throws him off and he has a that scene from

00:59:14.789 --> 00:59:16.590
the departed you know where they throw martin

00:59:16.590 --> 00:59:18.690
sheen off the building and he just explodes like

00:59:18.690 --> 00:59:21.150
a meat bag at the bottom and de caprio's like

00:59:21.150 --> 00:59:24.309
oh and that's where you know the rest of us were

00:59:24.650 --> 00:59:27.690
And it's my favorite part because everyone when

00:59:27.690 --> 00:59:31.869
that happened Was so shocked there was dead silence

00:59:31.869 --> 00:59:34.570
for something like 20 seconds. We were all like

00:59:34.570 --> 00:59:37.210
And and ian didn't disturb it either. He just

00:59:37.210 --> 00:59:41.090
let us just wallow in it. We're like what just

00:59:41.090 --> 00:59:46.269
happened Josh was like wait am I done? That's

00:59:46.269 --> 00:59:48.530
great Anyway, that's my favorite i'll jump in

00:59:48.530 --> 00:59:51.329
with mine because it's uh much later on but we're

00:59:51.329 --> 00:59:54.420
listening to it There were so many things, it

00:59:54.420 --> 00:59:56.360
was a great joy to edit because you'd listen

00:59:56.360 --> 00:59:58.159
and you could just laugh and laugh and laugh

00:59:58.159 --> 01:00:01.139
and laugh. But right at the end, the Beowulf

01:00:01.139 --> 01:00:03.699
episode where we have the professors from the

01:00:03.699 --> 01:00:09.469
Saga Thing podcast. And Steve cast a black hole

01:00:09.469 --> 01:00:13.949
that sucked them all in and killed friendly fire

01:00:13.949 --> 01:00:17.110
and killed them all. But then the line reading

01:00:17.110 --> 01:00:20.269
that one of the professors gave, because they

01:00:20.269 --> 01:00:23.369
had posed as gods, the main characters had posed

01:00:23.369 --> 01:00:26.789
as gods in this Vendel age setting. And the line

01:00:26.789 --> 01:00:30.210
reading was something like, I guess these gods

01:00:30.210 --> 01:00:36.719
are not helpful after all. And I could listen

01:00:36.719 --> 01:00:38.559
to that all day long, because that was just such

01:00:38.559 --> 01:00:45.079
a hilarious little line to lead into that. And

01:00:45.079 --> 01:00:48.099
Steve, you should be ashamed of yourself. Right,

01:00:48.320 --> 01:00:52.199
no, hold on. No, I will interject here, because

01:00:52.199 --> 01:00:54.280
Steve cannot be ashamed of himself. There's CJ,

01:00:54.400 --> 01:00:57.179
who did actually indirectly take out another

01:00:57.179 --> 01:01:01.159
player. Did you not, CJ? Was it only the one

01:01:01.159 --> 01:01:05.599
I lost count is fear in the skull he was he was

01:01:05.599 --> 01:01:10.139
in in between me and and the bad guy and bullets

01:01:10.139 --> 01:01:21.400
What choice did you have? I mean I got So when

01:01:21.400 --> 01:01:25.780
when Eric has that black hole in my head he was

01:01:25.780 --> 01:01:29.400
casting it in the sky above all the bad people

01:01:29.400 --> 01:01:33.559
and There was obviously miscommunication of some

01:01:33.559 --> 01:01:35.679
sort, and he was like, I've just said he sucked

01:01:35.679 --> 01:01:38.340
everyone up. And I thought I initially in my

01:01:38.340 --> 01:01:40.320
head, I believe I initially protested. But then

01:01:40.320 --> 01:01:42.579
I thought, oh, no, wait, no, this is how Ian

01:01:42.579 --> 01:01:45.320
gets rid of these players. OK, well, then let

01:01:45.320 --> 01:01:48.300
it go. Let it go. Let it go. This role. And I

01:01:48.300 --> 01:01:50.739
just decided not to fight it anymore. Oh, no,

01:01:50.739 --> 01:01:52.719
I see what he's doing. He's killing them off.

01:01:52.840 --> 01:01:54.659
Yeah, I'm fine with that. Yeah. Yeah, that's

01:01:54.659 --> 01:01:58.230
fine. Was that not was that not the plan? Yeah,

01:01:58.409 --> 01:02:01.969
and you can always, if you said anything annoying

01:02:01.969 --> 01:02:07.190
or irritating that went against the flow of the

01:02:07.190 --> 01:02:10.110
narrative, I could always just edit it out. But

01:02:10.110 --> 01:02:14.070
in that particular case, you definitely said...

01:02:15.420 --> 01:02:18.420
the equipment of rules lawyering in podcast land

01:02:18.420 --> 01:02:21.619
is just edit lawyering and i was well prepared

01:02:21.619 --> 01:02:24.119
to come back to you with no you said and it's

01:02:24.119 --> 01:02:28.820
on tape you said i cast it in front of the dragon

01:02:28.820 --> 01:02:34.139
very definitely yes three dimensions here and

01:02:34.139 --> 01:02:37.219
someone else says in front in the audio clip

01:02:37.219 --> 01:02:52.630
it's What I really enjoyed, my character did

01:02:52.630 --> 01:02:55.210
not. She got really frustrated, but what I really

01:02:55.210 --> 01:03:00.469
enjoyed was the time loop episode. Because why

01:03:00.469 --> 01:03:04.789
did you guys want to try the same thing again?

01:03:05.349 --> 01:03:09.210
That caused the TPK. And in the end, I think

01:03:09.210 --> 01:03:13.550
Alba had to be like, no, we're going to go fast.

01:03:14.590 --> 01:04:07.489
Let's not go. the the the the I remember in the

01:04:07.489 --> 01:04:09.289
episode when you were in the mine and he knows

01:04:09.289 --> 01:04:11.809
Elmer and you fell down. I thought he hasn't

01:04:11.809 --> 01:04:13.909
mentioned damage rolls. He hasn't mentioned numbers.

01:04:14.530 --> 01:04:16.909
She might be alive. She might be somewhere down

01:04:16.909 --> 01:04:18.329
there. And then we had the next whole episode

01:04:18.329 --> 01:04:21.170
of these guys stuck in a dark cave, talking to

01:04:21.170 --> 01:04:23.989
a dark buffer, answering riddles to try to survive.

01:04:24.110 --> 01:04:25.809
And amazingly, thanks to Fjord and Blessing,

01:04:26.010 --> 01:04:28.590
they got through it all. Only for Fjord to then

01:04:28.590 --> 01:04:31.690
die because then Air wanted a better body and

01:04:31.690 --> 01:04:37.570
upgrade. which was a cold coup as a character,

01:04:37.710 --> 01:04:40.469
I must say, Steve, that was an incredible move.

01:04:41.210 --> 01:04:43.610
Switching bodies after going, after downgrading

01:04:43.610 --> 01:04:45.869
from your original body, you want them to play

01:04:45.869 --> 01:04:53.349
by three level. Yeah, and at the end, kind of

01:04:53.349 --> 01:04:55.110
like, oh, we hear Anita's voice and they go on

01:04:55.110 --> 01:04:57.050
fire. And you're like, oh, she's back. Yes, I

01:04:57.050 --> 01:04:58.989
was so happy. I nearly cheered at my dad. I was

01:04:58.989 --> 01:05:05.059
like, yes, she's still there. What was your favorite

01:05:05.059 --> 01:05:09.219
experience, Taylor? Oh, it's a small one, and

01:05:09.219 --> 01:05:13.159
it's almost a throwaway moment. But I think it

01:05:13.159 --> 01:05:16.099
was like the episode or the second episode after

01:05:16.099 --> 01:05:21.960
I was temporarily dead. There was a whole kind

01:05:21.960 --> 01:05:28.179
of Beowulf storyline going on. And CJ has always

01:05:28.179 --> 01:05:30.539
impressed me with his one liners throughout the

01:05:30.539 --> 01:05:33.159
entire podcast and it's one of my favorite things

01:05:33.159 --> 01:05:34.840
about him as a player is he's very good at finding

01:05:34.840 --> 01:05:38.679
the one -liners um and there was this whole bit

01:05:38.679 --> 01:05:41.000
where i remember you talking to me about this

01:05:41.000 --> 01:05:43.780
off podcast but i think it made it into the cut

01:05:43.780 --> 01:05:46.079
too where it was just kind of like you were so

01:05:46.079 --> 01:05:48.219
confused about like i don't remember the beowulf

01:05:48.219 --> 01:05:51.280
story do they die does everyone like how does

01:05:51.280 --> 01:05:53.980
it end and then we get through the whole episode

01:05:53.980 --> 01:05:56.780
and you know the you know the story comes to

01:05:56.780 --> 01:05:58.519
its natural conclusion and then you just hear

01:05:58.519 --> 01:06:03.409
cj going Ah, they do die in the end. Ending on

01:06:03.409 --> 01:06:08.869
that beat is just like art. The professors had

01:06:08.869 --> 01:06:12.730
to roll with that one. I can't remember if they

01:06:12.730 --> 01:06:15.610
die. No, no, no. He dies. They were quite adamant

01:06:15.610 --> 01:06:18.130
since they were. They studied these sagas on

01:06:18.130 --> 01:06:23.829
a regular basis. I thought in our fight, we had

01:06:23.829 --> 01:06:28.250
a conversation about favorite death. on the podcast

01:06:28.250 --> 01:06:29.849
and then we opened it up to social and I was

01:06:29.849 --> 01:06:32.429
like I really wanted there to be like a favorite

01:06:32.429 --> 01:06:34.769
one line award for the gg character because it's

01:06:34.769 --> 01:06:38.909
just like yeah there was always yeah good stuff

01:06:38.909 --> 01:06:42.010
generally speaking because we'd always in the

01:06:42.010 --> 01:06:47.429
edit we would find a natural conclusion and uh

01:06:48.480 --> 01:06:51.039
We'd try and keep it on time, and we'd record

01:06:51.039 --> 01:06:53.099
perhaps two and a half, three hours, and it would

01:06:53.099 --> 01:06:55.480
edit down. But there was always a natural out,

01:06:55.500 --> 01:06:59.719
and there was often, 80, 90 % of the time, something

01:06:59.719 --> 01:07:01.559
that was so good, you could just leave it there.

01:07:02.619 --> 01:07:07.039
It naturally came up as the line that would just

01:07:07.039 --> 01:07:10.800
act as the kind of closer. And if we didn't quite

01:07:10.800 --> 01:07:12.500
get it the first time, it was like, well, let's

01:07:12.500 --> 01:07:14.880
just do that again, or let's just say this. But

01:07:14.880 --> 01:07:17.940
it was almost there. And they get so, Bill, to

01:07:17.940 --> 01:07:19.639
your point about the guy who said it was scripted.

01:07:19.760 --> 01:07:23.480
It wasn't scripted, but it did kind of write

01:07:23.480 --> 01:07:26.219
itself in a way. Especially that line you just

01:07:26.219 --> 01:07:28.900
talked about, Becky, where you were saying, they

01:07:28.900 --> 01:07:32.119
were saying, like the three blind monkeys, who

01:07:32.119 --> 01:07:36.000
are we, where are we, who are we, that one. That

01:07:36.000 --> 01:07:40.320
was natural. And I think we did it. And then

01:07:40.320 --> 01:07:43.460
I said, let's just do it one more time. But I

01:07:43.460 --> 01:07:45.280
think I arranged it up using the original version

01:07:45.280 --> 01:07:47.940
anyway. Sometimes you just did things like, oh,

01:07:48.000 --> 01:07:51.039
let's just do, again, coming from TV land and

01:07:51.039 --> 01:07:52.500
Nina will appreciate this. Sometimes just do

01:07:52.500 --> 01:07:55.079
a second take for the hell of it. But generally

01:07:55.079 --> 01:07:57.239
speaking, we didn't use them or didn't need to

01:07:57.239 --> 01:08:03.239
use them. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah, it was fun.

01:08:03.380 --> 01:08:05.039
I mean, it's a creative group, right? So there

01:08:05.039 --> 01:08:07.760
was lots of lively stuff. I think my overall

01:08:07.760 --> 01:08:09.539
favorite, and there were so many moments that

01:08:09.539 --> 01:08:11.480
were so wonderful, and as someone said earlier

01:08:11.480 --> 01:08:13.909
tonight, We spent a lot of the time laughing,

01:08:14.289 --> 01:08:17.229
which was the great joy of it. It's why it was

01:08:17.229 --> 01:08:19.210
quite easy to come back every week, no matter

01:08:19.210 --> 01:08:21.789
how tired or whatever else was going on, you

01:08:21.789 --> 01:08:24.829
know, a touch of a light touch of norovirus or

01:08:24.829 --> 01:08:29.449
whatever might be going on. And but I just really

01:08:29.449 --> 01:08:33.130
liked Ed's exit. My nephew Ed as the I don't

01:08:33.130 --> 01:08:35.409
remember his character's name now, but the sex

01:08:35.409 --> 01:08:38.770
robot who attempted to sacrifice himself and

01:08:38.770 --> 01:08:42.020
destroy all of the opponents. and failed. It

01:08:42.020 --> 01:08:46.260
was just the the exceptional futility of the

01:08:46.260 --> 01:08:48.899
entire thing. And he ends up getting split right

01:08:48.899 --> 01:08:51.020
down the middle. It was like, I don't know, there

01:08:51.020 --> 01:08:55.119
was just something about that was extremely gratifying.

01:08:57.159 --> 01:09:00.399
There's one other one, which was when damn, I

01:09:00.399 --> 01:09:04.159
forget the bear's name. Snow White. Snow White.

01:09:04.399 --> 01:09:08.560
Yes. Yes. Snow White. Our utter failure to deal

01:09:08.560 --> 01:09:13.520
with the charging. polar bear, and Bjarne being

01:09:13.520 --> 01:09:18.760
consumed. Who was the old guy, Bjarne? I don't

01:09:18.760 --> 01:09:24.479
remember anything. Anyway, it was just such,

01:09:25.800 --> 01:09:29.020
it was so gauntless. There was just nothing we

01:09:29.020 --> 01:09:34.159
did that was effective, or practical, or sensible,

01:09:34.460 --> 01:09:38.399
or rational. It was just utter collapse. And

01:09:38.399 --> 01:09:41.859
I loved that. And then that's where the reviews

01:09:41.859 --> 01:09:43.500
came in. So the people who have listened to it,

01:09:43.600 --> 01:09:47.100
one review came in saying the most hapless adventuring

01:09:47.100 --> 01:09:53.720
party ever. Little do they know. It was a litany

01:09:53.720 --> 01:09:59.140
of disaster. I literally may listen to the episode

01:09:59.140 --> 01:10:04.399
where I think you're on trial because of Snow

01:10:04.399 --> 01:10:44.529
White and him. the the Guys You just left Yeah,

01:10:44.529 --> 01:10:47.750
yeah Definitely know where that those reviews

01:10:47.750 --> 01:10:51.829
came from. It's like you somehow half -assed

01:10:51.829 --> 01:11:01.949
a really important job Or in some cases I would

01:11:01.949 --> 01:11:10.710
say It's just making me think that, to kind of

01:11:10.710 --> 01:11:13.210
like, sorry, just making me think that there's

01:11:13.210 --> 01:11:15.050
that phrase that Billy kept saying, we need more

01:11:15.050 --> 01:11:16.770
men, kind of like in the end of episode after

01:11:16.770 --> 01:11:24.390
episode. The joy always was of GMing it and then

01:11:24.390 --> 01:11:28.050
listening back and editing it. There was always

01:11:28.050 --> 01:11:31.470
the moments of clarity and realization that made

01:11:31.470 --> 01:11:35.149
it all the funnier. It's just that when the pin

01:11:35.149 --> 01:11:39.470
drops and everyone goes, oh, we should have done

01:11:39.470 --> 01:11:45.130
that really obvious thing. And so it's not like

01:11:45.130 --> 01:11:49.859
there wasn't. 2020 after science elements of

01:11:49.859 --> 01:11:54.739
the three stooges it seems to me you know good

01:11:54.739 --> 01:11:57.939
lord i mean that episode is making me think back

01:11:57.939 --> 01:12:01.600
to um when the fish on the sticks um other fish

01:12:01.600 --> 01:12:03.560
heads on the stick appear outside the house and

01:12:03.560 --> 01:12:06.340
there's that that jotton woman kind of like throwing

01:12:06.340 --> 01:12:09.779
insults and charm and then she falls in love

01:12:09.779 --> 01:12:14.479
with him that's one way of avoiding killing Of

01:12:14.479 --> 01:12:17.479
all of Ian's bizarre voice, I mean, excellent

01:12:17.479 --> 01:12:22.060
voice portrayals, that was my favorite. I hear,

01:12:22.079 --> 01:12:26.079
ooh, me lover, every night as I'm falling asleep.

01:12:26.439 --> 01:12:31.640
It's very disturbing. There was that moment and

01:12:31.640 --> 01:12:34.039
there were more than a few of them when for instance

01:12:34.039 --> 01:12:37.239
at that moment I remember Ian describing there's

01:12:37.239 --> 01:12:38.859
a person outside and they've got the stick and

01:12:38.859 --> 01:12:40.079
putting ground and they're putting fish heads

01:12:40.079 --> 01:12:43.539
on it and he's saying it in a way that Clearly,

01:12:43.539 --> 01:12:45.859
this is a big deal and we should a understand

01:12:45.859 --> 01:12:48.319
what's going on and be should be taking it seriously

01:12:48.319 --> 01:12:51.159
And if you lift and carefully you can hear that

01:12:51.159 --> 01:12:53.479
I'm providing sort of the verbal equivalent of

01:12:53.479 --> 01:12:57.079
a blank stare as I did fairly often because it's

01:12:57.079 --> 01:13:02.270
just like I have the faintest idea what the heck

01:13:02.270 --> 01:13:04.689
is going on around here. And I think that came

01:13:04.689 --> 01:13:10.989
through. Yeah, I've often thought, Steve, and

01:13:10.989 --> 01:13:13.189
I don't know if people listening are judging

01:13:13.189 --> 01:13:16.310
our acting performances. But, you know, I thought

01:13:16.310 --> 01:13:20.289
you often had a very stony sensibility about

01:13:20.289 --> 01:13:22.789
you. And I feel my performances were consistently

01:13:22.789 --> 01:13:28.949
wouldn't. It was really appropriate. You should

01:13:28.949 --> 01:13:36.529
feel shame. And yes, I must echo what Bill says

01:13:36.529 --> 01:13:38.449
there because your voice talent throughout the

01:13:38.449 --> 01:13:41.369
entire thing was absolutely extraordinary. I

01:13:41.369 --> 01:13:43.170
mean, I try to put voices on when I'm reading

01:13:43.170 --> 01:13:45.149
to my daughter and I can either go west country

01:13:45.149 --> 01:13:47.229
or I can do a little old lady. That's about the

01:13:47.229 --> 01:13:51.369
extent of my acting talent. but your skills i

01:13:51.369 --> 01:13:52.869
mean there were other skills you used well you

01:13:52.869 --> 01:13:55.210
had lots of clever sound effects put in in the

01:13:55.210 --> 01:13:57.130
editing that really actually brought all the

01:13:57.130 --> 01:14:00.050
gunfire and explosions and the ghosty sounds

01:14:00.050 --> 01:14:02.869
and um of course when you're kind of speaking

01:14:02.869 --> 01:14:07.770
as the shapeshifting um you're gonna correct

01:14:07.770 --> 01:14:09.170
me because i can't remember the name of it but

01:14:09.170 --> 01:14:12.710
the shapeshifter i'm just gonna go that was it

01:14:12.710 --> 01:14:15.029
i couldn't think like exactly what is it it's

01:14:15.029 --> 01:14:17.810
got a giant it's not a troll it's it's something

01:14:17.810 --> 01:14:20.189
else but there were some really clever skills

01:14:20.189 --> 01:14:22.810
here. Would you mind revealing the secrets behind

01:14:22.810 --> 01:14:25.670
how that all got put into place? Yeah, I mean

01:14:25.670 --> 01:14:27.909
just before you answer, Ian, I think that's an

01:14:27.909 --> 01:14:31.130
important thing to call out because first of

01:14:31.130 --> 01:14:33.189
all, I want to interrupt him, which is always

01:14:33.189 --> 01:14:37.750
fun. But secondly, Steve and I and CJ and Taylor

01:14:37.750 --> 01:14:40.090
and, well, everybody on the call, all we had

01:14:40.090 --> 01:14:43.090
to do was show up and be idiots for a couple

01:14:43.090 --> 01:14:47.000
of hours. Which for me comes quite naturally,

01:14:47.199 --> 01:14:50.560
yeah. And then Ian would take away a steaming

01:14:50.560 --> 01:14:54.020
pile of audio and turn it into something with

01:14:54.020 --> 01:14:56.899
a lot of work, like the amount of time put in

01:14:56.899 --> 01:14:59.420
every week. That's why there's something coherent

01:14:59.420 --> 01:15:02.359
and entertaining. So anyway, now Ian, you can

01:15:02.359 --> 01:15:05.020
do your shit. It was vastly more than I thought

01:15:05.020 --> 01:15:08.539
it would be when we came up with it. But the

01:15:08.539 --> 01:15:12.180
thing is, I became quite the perfectionist. No.

01:15:12.829 --> 01:15:18.210
And I couldn't let little pops and things go.

01:15:18.689 --> 01:15:21.710
And then I started off by adding in sound effects

01:15:21.710 --> 01:15:26.390
around the deaths. But then as the thing went

01:15:26.390 --> 01:15:29.710
on, I just lay it on more and more. So there's

01:15:29.710 --> 01:15:34.010
a progression from episodes one and two by the

01:15:34.010 --> 01:15:35.829
time you get to the last one. The last one is

01:15:35.829 --> 01:15:38.390
like the shining city on the hill. I really do

01:15:38.390 --> 01:15:41.130
enjoy that last episode because it just got everything.

01:15:42.039 --> 01:15:45.600
polar bear charges and and black hole sounds

01:15:45.600 --> 01:15:49.079
and uh you know and you know through the kitchen

01:15:49.079 --> 01:15:52.560
sink of that one and in terms of voices it's

01:15:52.560 --> 01:15:56.539
kind of then the like the greatest hits because

01:15:56.539 --> 01:15:59.039
all of the characters that they've met who they

01:15:59.039 --> 01:16:01.819
haven't killed come back and say a line or two

01:16:01.819 --> 01:16:04.659
after the past couple episodes so and then the

01:16:04.659 --> 01:16:07.659
voice wonderfully yeah so the so so the the voices

01:16:07.659 --> 01:16:11.949
are hard to keep because everything naturally

01:16:11.949 --> 01:16:14.750
fears towards West Country, just like it's this

01:16:14.750 --> 01:16:18.310
human nature to suddenly become a country bumpkin.

01:16:20.250 --> 01:16:24.050
So we'd record on a Monday and I would, and Anina

01:16:24.050 --> 01:16:27.890
probably does lots of this as a pro, is you just

01:16:27.890 --> 01:16:30.989
spend a couple of days beforehand just speaking

01:16:30.989 --> 01:16:34.630
to yourself mainly. And your family. No, no,

01:16:34.630 --> 01:16:37.390
to myself because otherwise I'd be locked up.

01:16:38.649 --> 01:16:41.390
Strangers. but you just have to speak in that

01:16:41.390 --> 01:16:46.210
voice until you've got it and until you can naturally

01:16:46.210 --> 01:16:53.130
trot it out with any sequence of words. That's

01:16:53.130 --> 01:16:56.189
just practice. And so tabletop audio is a great

01:16:56.189 --> 01:16:58.649
free resource and a big shout out to them because

01:16:58.649 --> 01:17:02.949
they provide a lot of the ambient sounds and

01:17:02.949 --> 01:17:06.810
then I'll drop in spot sound effects. But without

01:17:06.810 --> 01:17:10.140
tabletop audio, and the stuff that that guy there

01:17:10.140 --> 01:17:14.720
provides I think would have been stuck. So everyone

01:17:14.720 --> 01:17:17.500
should for their own games you know get hold

01:17:17.500 --> 01:17:19.199
of that stuff put it on in the background it's

01:17:19.199 --> 01:17:22.140
good stuff and is free as long as you credit

01:17:22.140 --> 01:17:25.779
the source and you know it's well worth crediting.

01:17:27.020 --> 01:17:30.220
You used it very very well and I would love to

01:17:30.220 --> 01:17:32.239
know more about how you edited that final bit

01:17:32.239 --> 01:17:34.600
because of course in the final episode sorry

01:17:34.600 --> 01:17:37.140
major spoiler coming up They do kind of like,

01:17:37.359 --> 01:17:38.960
Ian has carefully pulled all these different

01:17:38.960 --> 01:17:41.920
voices from previous characters to tell Leomi's

01:17:41.920 --> 01:17:44.520
character kind of like a dark prophetic warning

01:17:44.520 --> 01:17:47.520
of vision of death and Ragnarok and everything

01:17:47.520 --> 01:17:49.640
that's going to come and that was wonderfully

01:17:49.640 --> 01:17:52.119
done, wonderfully done. Oh well I raised all

01:17:52.119 --> 01:17:56.020
of the guests. How did you work out which line

01:17:56.020 --> 01:18:01.439
to give to who? I gave them all, it's actually

01:18:01.439 --> 01:18:07.470
a real world historical curse. and the Curse

01:18:07.470 --> 01:18:12.689
of Buzla, a B -U -S -L -A. Oh, that one. Bill,

01:18:12.850 --> 01:18:14.409
you're now cursed. You're now cursed and realized.

01:18:15.069 --> 01:18:18.550
And I wrote to all of the guests who they'd killed

01:18:18.550 --> 01:18:23.770
and the ones that had time. Or were nagged by

01:18:23.770 --> 01:18:29.409
their dad slash uncle. sent me their recordings

01:18:29.409 --> 01:18:31.430
and I spliced them together in a way that made

01:18:31.430 --> 01:18:35.470
sense and obviously we'll leave something on

01:18:35.470 --> 01:18:38.029
the table for anyone who's listening but that

01:18:38.029 --> 01:18:43.470
also is anchored by Anita and reveals her fate

01:18:43.470 --> 01:18:48.850
because she was too busy to come back so I wanted

01:18:48.850 --> 01:18:53.289
to give her a fitting place in the finale and

01:18:53.289 --> 01:18:58.850
so she anchors that whole curse. That was a fun

01:18:58.850 --> 01:19:04.569
audio to record me screaming in this chair one

01:19:04.569 --> 01:19:11.310
day, growling, scaring the neighbours for that

01:19:11.310 --> 01:19:15.020
night heath time. And so that's a fitting finale

01:19:15.020 --> 01:19:18.960
because it comes, it's the ghosts of episodes

01:19:18.960 --> 01:19:21.779
past come back to haunt, specifically Bill, who

01:19:21.779 --> 01:19:26.539
stumbles right into the middle of it. And Alma

01:19:26.539 --> 01:19:32.319
really liked Iommi as well, so betrayal is deep.

01:19:33.140 --> 01:19:37.739
Good. I like a strong reaction. I don't really

01:19:37.739 --> 01:19:40.800
care where it falls on the spectrum as long as

01:19:40.800 --> 01:19:43.750
it's intense. That's another, sorry CJ, I know

01:19:43.750 --> 01:19:45.050
you want to say something, but there's just one

01:19:45.050 --> 01:19:47.470
other thing. When Becky, you came back for that

01:19:47.470 --> 01:19:50.069
surprise guest appearance and you asked for the

01:19:50.069 --> 01:19:52.510
skull, that's another one of my favorite bits

01:19:52.510 --> 01:19:55.670
because I can still hear Bill in my ear saying,

01:19:56.390 --> 01:20:00.170
I don't know what to do. Because you were asking

01:20:00.170 --> 01:20:03.670
for the skull. And you came back as evil Brittany,

01:20:03.949 --> 01:20:10.670
which is so, what's going on? That was, I found

01:20:10.670 --> 01:20:13.130
that really hard to do because I'm not, and as

01:20:13.130 --> 01:20:15.010
you can hopefully tell, there isn't, as you can

01:20:15.010 --> 01:20:17.050
guess, I'm not generally a quite nice, bubbly

01:20:17.050 --> 01:20:19.670
person. I'm not good at being mean. It's why

01:20:19.670 --> 01:20:21.729
I find it so hard giving discipline to my four

01:20:21.729 --> 01:20:23.430
and a half year old because I just try not to

01:20:23.430 --> 01:20:25.630
be empathetic and understanding and kind. Like,

01:20:25.789 --> 01:20:28.609
okay, you feel this, but why? Instead of just

01:20:28.609 --> 01:20:30.750
saying, right, no, naughty step, 10 minutes,

01:20:30.930 --> 01:20:32.930
and that's what my husband does. He's very swift,

01:20:32.989 --> 01:20:36.430
but. Yeah I couldn't do it very very well all

01:20:36.430 --> 01:20:38.829
I can just like overly confident and then it

01:20:38.829 --> 01:20:40.569
was like oh they're asking me questions and I

01:20:40.569 --> 01:20:42.310
don't honestly know what Brynn knows therefore

01:20:42.310 --> 01:20:44.890
I don't know and I'm like my gosh Ian what do

01:20:44.890 --> 01:20:47.930
I do? And plus I kept going off script for a

01:20:47.930 --> 01:20:49.789
bit because me and Ian did try and plot about

01:20:49.789 --> 01:20:51.930
what I should say to then predict what you might

01:20:51.930 --> 01:20:54.720
do to then predicts another reaction from Bryn

01:20:54.720 --> 01:20:56.939
and I lived a little bit and they were like,

01:20:57.119 --> 01:20:58.859
go to the script, go to the script, say this

01:20:58.859 --> 01:21:00.800
bit and I was like, okay, okay, I'll do that.

01:21:02.260 --> 01:21:04.539
Well, you did admirably because there was no

01:21:04.539 --> 01:21:06.979
way they were ever, you could never contingency

01:21:06.979 --> 01:21:08.659
plan for all of the things they were going to

01:21:08.659 --> 01:21:11.399
do. And as you know, you were up at one o 'clock

01:21:11.399 --> 01:21:14.840
in the morning recording it and they went off

01:21:14.840 --> 01:21:19.220
on this whole non -secator and almost forgot

01:21:19.220 --> 01:21:25.170
you were there. I'm offended by that description.

01:21:27.449 --> 01:21:29.430
It was a good plan but it was kind of like it

01:21:29.430 --> 01:21:31.850
was so in the presence it was it was literally

01:21:31.850 --> 01:21:34.170
kind of like if it wasn't you all characters

01:21:34.170 --> 01:21:36.890
talking about it it would have been fine but

01:21:36.890 --> 01:21:38.949
no you as characters were talking about it so

01:21:38.949 --> 01:21:42.350
she was kind of thinking well time's ticking

01:21:42.350 --> 01:21:47.500
I either kill you or I don't kill you now. But

01:21:47.500 --> 01:21:49.600
it was cleverly done going back an hour to then

01:21:49.600 --> 01:21:52.920
make me redo that line again. I thought, OK,

01:21:52.979 --> 01:21:55.680
I could maybe do a second take as a second take.

01:21:56.159 --> 01:22:01.100
Raven's Go is the best plot device for a GM to

01:22:01.100 --> 01:22:04.399
have to hand, because then you can literally

01:22:04.399 --> 01:22:08.100
unwind things. Yeah, which happened once or twice.

01:22:08.220 --> 01:22:10.640
I don't remember. CJ, were you trying to say

01:22:10.640 --> 01:22:13.739
something? But it looked like you were. I just

01:22:13.739 --> 01:22:16.000
had a story about the cool sound effects that

01:22:16.000 --> 01:22:18.640
can. got better over time right or more intense

01:22:18.640 --> 01:22:21.640
over time and there was through for the last

01:22:21.640 --> 01:22:24.199
episode after we recorded the last episode you

01:22:24.199 --> 01:22:27.800
released it so i put it in my in my earbuds and

01:22:27.800 --> 01:22:29.279
i was going to take the dog for a walk and it

01:22:29.279 --> 01:22:31.079
was the same day that in our neighborhood we

01:22:31.079 --> 01:22:34.500
had some heavily armed criminals pull into my

01:22:34.500 --> 01:22:38.800
apartment complex and ditched their car like

01:22:38.800 --> 01:22:41.180
yep and they ditched their car like right in

01:22:41.180 --> 01:22:42.880
sight where i was and they were both carrying

01:22:42.880 --> 01:22:45.609
you know lots of firearms and then they ran across

01:22:45.609 --> 01:22:47.489
the construction site across the canal anyway

01:22:47.489 --> 01:22:49.130
then the police showed up and then they said

01:22:49.130 --> 01:22:50.850
you know stay in your house and do all that stuff

01:22:50.850 --> 01:22:53.909
so a few hours go by and i'm like i'm sure it's

01:22:53.909 --> 01:22:57.149
fine to go take my dog out so put my put the

01:22:57.149 --> 01:22:59.789
episode on had my headphones on you know with

01:22:59.789 --> 01:23:01.869
the noise canceling taking the dog for a walk

01:23:01.869 --> 01:23:03.710
and we start crossing the street kind of between

01:23:03.710 --> 01:23:05.829
where all these cop cars are in the construction

01:23:05.829 --> 01:23:08.949
zone and there's the scene at the end where jiji

01:23:08.949 --> 01:23:13.090
is inside the the temple and he's trying to You

01:23:13.090 --> 01:23:14.729
know do whatever the hell he was supposed to

01:23:14.729 --> 01:23:19.590
be doing and and Ian inserted a gunshot in that

01:23:19.590 --> 01:23:24.170
scene and it was so loud and so realistic I dropped

01:23:24.170 --> 01:23:27.409
to the ground because I thought oh shit somebody

01:23:27.409 --> 01:23:30.489
there's a gunfight outside my apartment and I'm

01:23:30.489 --> 01:23:33.149
looking around and luckily nobody saw it so it

01:23:33.149 --> 01:23:36.649
was good but I was like was that the episode?

01:23:37.850 --> 01:23:40.710
Well your dog must have been so embarrassed He

01:23:40.710 --> 01:23:44.430
was confused. He was absolutely confused. He's

01:23:44.430 --> 01:23:45.970
like, what are you doing? Why are you on your

01:23:45.970 --> 01:23:50.729
stomach in the middle of the street? So good

01:23:50.729 --> 01:23:54.029
sound effect work there, Ian. I mean, that's

01:23:54.029 --> 01:24:00.409
the result. Wow. I think it's also worth pointing

01:24:00.409 --> 01:24:04.289
out, too, how good Ian was at doing that live.

01:24:06.120 --> 01:24:08.520
I remember my first episode, I was nervous to

01:24:08.520 --> 01:24:11.199
come in anyway, but I got so wrapped up in the

01:24:11.199 --> 01:24:13.119
storytelling that it was like, all right, and

01:24:13.119 --> 01:24:15.720
Cole, what are you doing? I'm like, wait, wait,

01:24:15.720 --> 01:24:20.560
I'm here. Because his voices generally were,

01:24:20.960 --> 01:24:24.659
you did some cleaner takes later, but you performed

01:24:24.659 --> 01:24:27.079
as much as anyone else did. And that was just

01:24:27.079 --> 01:24:29.619
completely just immersive for the player that

01:24:29.619 --> 01:24:31.590
it. To the point that it got distracting. I'm

01:24:31.590 --> 01:24:33.609
just like I'm just watching I'm watching an episode

01:24:33.609 --> 01:24:35.609
here. Oh wait. I made it what I gotta do something

01:24:35.609 --> 01:24:38.750
Yeah, it just occurred to me that anyone who

01:24:38.750 --> 01:24:40.670
just listened to all the episodes didn't get

01:24:40.670 --> 01:24:44.050
to see what we saw every single episode which

01:24:44.050 --> 01:24:55.289
was moments of Ian going Oh, my God. Oh, I've

01:24:55.289 --> 01:24:57.250
got so much work to do to figure out what to

01:24:57.250 --> 01:24:59.970
do for next year. And that was my typical English

01:24:59.970 --> 01:25:04.390
restraint. I suggested the dynamite. That was

01:25:04.390 --> 01:25:08.010
my typical English restraint as well. Oh, yeah.

01:25:08.329 --> 01:25:10.130
No, any of these words would have been throwing

01:25:10.130 --> 01:25:17.909
things. That was my light catastrophizing. I

01:25:17.909 --> 01:25:20.850
actually got a note from Ian in between episodes

01:25:20.850 --> 01:25:24.829
to not encourage Gigi to jump on anything in

01:25:24.829 --> 01:25:30.130
the next one. That's true. It was one of my favorite

01:25:30.130 --> 01:25:32.770
things. Let's see if we can get him to jump on

01:25:32.770 --> 01:25:35.289
this. You know, he's jumped on a spaceship. He

01:25:35.289 --> 01:25:38.689
jumps on a giant sea worm. My gosh, yes. I wanted

01:25:38.689 --> 01:25:40.829
to use that special ability. And then the one

01:25:40.829 --> 01:25:42.949
episode Ian put something big that I was meant

01:25:42.949 --> 01:25:49.550
to jump on, I didn't jump on it. Right to have

01:25:49.550 --> 01:25:54.250
his paper with good intentions. Becky, I'm conscious

01:25:54.250 --> 01:25:57.010
of the fact that you must be drifting off and

01:25:57.010 --> 01:25:59.590
we need to get you to. No, no, I'm wide awake,

01:25:59.689 --> 01:26:01.890
guys. I'm wide awake because we're slowly building

01:26:01.890 --> 01:26:04.689
up to what is actually the final question because

01:26:04.689 --> 01:26:06.590
it is all to do with endings. And of course,

01:26:06.670 --> 01:26:08.609
we've been speaking really recently about the

01:26:08.609 --> 01:26:13.409
final episode that Taylor starred in wonderfully

01:26:13.409 --> 01:26:19.289
and heroically, Bill and CJ and Steve and...

01:26:19.319 --> 01:26:22.359
I was wondering, do you all think your characters

01:26:22.359 --> 01:26:25.260
had the ending they deserved? Were there any

01:26:25.260 --> 01:26:27.380
regrets? Would you have had a different ending

01:26:27.380 --> 01:26:29.720
if you had more control or say in the plot of

01:26:29.720 --> 01:26:32.359
the narrative or the dice rolls? For example,

01:26:32.460 --> 01:26:34.539
if Leomi hadn't rolled poorly, would he have

01:26:34.539 --> 01:26:37.020
got a song of praise and poetry inspiring him

01:26:37.020 --> 01:26:40.439
instead of a song of doom and horror and death

01:26:40.439 --> 01:26:46.500
from the great reincarnated Mim? I feel like

01:26:46.500 --> 01:26:49.159
he got more than he deserved in a good way. Like,

01:26:49.180 --> 01:26:51.420
it was better than it should have been. Like,

01:26:51.420 --> 01:26:55.720
it's really self -absorbed. You know, I was making

01:26:55.720 --> 01:26:59.500
fun of CJ's character, Gigi, being so self -absorbed,

01:26:59.520 --> 01:27:02.680
but I think we all were. Like, we were all very

01:27:02.680 --> 01:27:05.659
much... I used to work with this guy at the end

01:27:05.659 --> 01:27:08.359
of every meeting. He would go, I only have one

01:27:08.359 --> 01:27:12.369
question. How does all of this affect me? And

01:27:12.369 --> 01:27:15.369
he was a very considerate guy. It was just a

01:27:15.369 --> 01:27:18.310
joke. But I feel like that's how the three of

01:27:18.310 --> 01:27:21.270
us, our three characters, approach the world.

01:27:21.529 --> 01:27:24.109
Wait, wait, wait. Oh, that's fine. End of the

01:27:24.109 --> 01:27:26.750
world, yeah, Ragnarok, whatever. But how does

01:27:26.750 --> 01:27:30.189
all of this affect me, right? So I know I think

01:27:30.189 --> 01:27:38.149
it was a gracious ending for that idiot. Anyone

01:27:38.149 --> 01:27:43.069
else? What about you, CJ? I thought I thought

01:27:43.069 --> 01:27:46.869
it was a fitting end for Gigi He didn't die though

01:27:46.869 --> 01:27:49.909
So I'm kind of I was a little a little miffed

01:27:49.909 --> 01:27:51.609
because I figured it would there would be a good

01:27:51.609 --> 01:27:53.689
death scene I didn't get to have the death scene.

01:27:53.689 --> 01:27:56.430
He got to go on and have a happily ever after

01:27:56.430 --> 01:28:00.949
you know Writing into the sunset on his big worm

01:28:00.949 --> 01:28:04.750
thing And I felt a little bit bad for Taylor's

01:28:04.750 --> 01:28:08.449
character who should also have died But then

01:28:08.449 --> 01:28:13.369
was condemned to a life with Gigi. Yeah, that

01:28:13.369 --> 01:28:20.069
did seem sad. But, I mean, that's clearly the

01:28:20.069 --> 01:28:24.369
kernel for season two, which is the further adventures

01:28:24.369 --> 01:28:28.250
of Gigi and Cole. I mean, obviously. This new

01:28:28.250 --> 01:28:32.949
buddy cop thing going on. I think, CJ, you just

01:28:32.949 --> 01:28:35.510
need to do a spin -off for your Viking series.

01:28:35.750 --> 01:28:39.789
You know, move from Hastings to Gigi and write

01:28:39.789 --> 01:28:43.819
the future version. He's a great character. Within

01:28:43.819 --> 01:28:46.819
the Vikingverse to a future Gigi. I don't know.

01:28:46.819 --> 01:28:48.600
If we were to reprise the character, I think

01:28:48.600 --> 01:28:51.779
I would pull a Harrison Ford, what he did to

01:28:51.779 --> 01:28:54.300
George Lucas, where in the next two movies, he

01:28:54.300 --> 01:28:57.380
would go to George Lucas and say, you need to

01:28:57.380 --> 01:29:04.140
kill him. You need to kill Hans on him. How about

01:29:04.140 --> 01:29:05.800
you, Steve? Because your character certainly

01:29:05.800 --> 01:29:08.420
did have an end that I didn't expect, but it

01:29:08.420 --> 01:29:13.119
found you in the end, in a way. He didn't deserve

01:29:13.119 --> 01:29:17.000
I think what he deserved was to wind up inhabiting

01:29:17.000 --> 01:29:19.420
a vending machine in a CD host held somewhere

01:29:19.420 --> 01:29:24.539
certainly Certainly nothing good Yeah, like again

01:29:24.539 --> 01:29:28.220
self -absorbed self -interested dismissive pretty

01:29:28.220 --> 01:29:30.439
much everyone and everything else as he followed

01:29:30.439 --> 01:29:35.039
his own ends and Not not super not super self

01:29:35.039 --> 01:29:37.619
-aware. So yeah, no, he got better than he deserved

01:29:37.619 --> 01:29:42.189
and I was very grateful for it He wasn't surprising

01:29:42.189 --> 01:29:44.989
that three people who are so self -absorbed are

01:29:44.989 --> 01:29:55.109
so sort of endearing Well self -absorbed, but

01:29:55.109 --> 01:29:58.369
no there was no real hate or evil in any of the

01:29:58.369 --> 01:30:01.810
characters now we were crabby and snippy and

01:30:01.810 --> 01:30:07.310
self -absorbed, but I mean, you know, sure, we

01:30:07.310 --> 01:30:09.850
killed a lot of people or were somehow responsible

01:30:09.850 --> 01:30:12.149
for that. There's no malice to it. We were quite

01:30:12.149 --> 01:30:14.670
nice about it. It's just incompetence. And who

01:30:14.670 --> 01:30:18.329
doesn't love that? You know, incompetence is

01:30:18.329 --> 01:30:21.569
endearing, I think, I hope. Yeah, I think the

01:30:21.569 --> 01:30:24.789
incompetence because like, yeah, the deaths you

01:30:24.789 --> 01:30:29.510
were involved in were more like you stood near

01:30:29.510 --> 01:30:33.810
the escape hatch, which is far enough that you

01:30:33.810 --> 01:30:38.430
didn't go in. but everyone else did, kind of,

01:30:38.550 --> 01:30:41.390
kind of thing. And you might have maybe leaned

01:30:41.390 --> 01:30:44.770
against, you know, the button, maybe, but we

01:30:44.770 --> 01:30:51.510
don't know. And I just enjoyed that every week,

01:30:51.689 --> 01:30:54.350
Ian, like there would be fresh faces who would

01:30:54.350 --> 01:30:57.569
show up and bless them, they tried to be competent.

01:30:57.710 --> 01:31:01.149
Right? They tried so hard and they really tried

01:31:01.149 --> 01:31:04.270
to steer us in any direction other than our natural

01:31:04.270 --> 01:31:07.029
trajectory. With, you know, some more success

01:31:07.029 --> 01:31:09.529
than others, like the people here, but most of

01:31:09.529 --> 01:31:11.850
them succumbed and, but bless them for trying.

01:31:13.180 --> 01:31:15.220
I kind of came up with like a headcanon that

01:31:15.220 --> 01:31:17.460
like no we're not the heroes of this story we're

01:31:17.460 --> 01:31:19.859
the observers of the story all the heroes are

01:31:19.859 --> 01:31:22.159
we're just watching them do the work and that's

01:31:22.159 --> 01:31:23.680
why we haven't died yet because we're actually

01:31:23.680 --> 01:31:26.979
not the heroes we're just we're riders in the

01:31:26.979 --> 01:31:35.579
back ranks of the you know academics and so they

01:31:35.579 --> 01:31:39.779
know how stories work the structured story and

01:31:39.779 --> 01:31:43.340
this was not that but caitlyn phoenix was the

01:31:43.340 --> 01:31:47.500
only person to buck the trend and just say no

01:31:47.500 --> 01:31:53.739
you lot are crazy i'm off yeah she did she did

01:31:53.739 --> 01:31:57.699
amazingly well and that was her first ever tabletop

01:31:57.760 --> 01:31:59.920
role play game experience because I remember

01:31:59.920 --> 01:32:01.819
she emailed me saying like becky i'm about to

01:32:01.819 --> 01:32:03.500
do this thing can you give me some tips i said

01:32:03.500 --> 01:32:05.479
okay well this is what a roll 20 does is what

01:32:05.479 --> 01:32:08.300
d6 does just imagine you're someone else it's

01:32:08.300 --> 01:32:11.239
all pretend don't worry it's super nice you'll

01:32:11.239 --> 01:32:15.020
keep me straight go along with the others they're

01:32:15.020 --> 01:32:17.140
a random bunch but you'll be fine you'll have

01:32:17.140 --> 01:32:20.180
fun and she did exceptionally well yeah we had

01:32:20.180 --> 01:32:23.920
a lot of newbies um yeah you know the first person

01:32:23.920 --> 01:32:27.949
who joined alongside uh cj as a friend of mine,

01:32:28.770 --> 01:32:33.430
Mike, got eaten by a worm. And it was his first

01:32:33.430 --> 01:32:38.489
time playing. And he began by praying. And he

01:32:38.489 --> 01:32:41.170
did this old verse. For all the good it did.

01:32:42.970 --> 01:32:46.010
And he prayed to the worm. And I felt a little

01:32:46.010 --> 01:32:49.989
bit bad there because, you know, he did put that

01:32:49.989 --> 01:32:54.390
kind of newbie effort in that. It had a kind

01:32:54.390 --> 01:33:01.380
of I was crying so hard. It was sincere. It was

01:33:01.380 --> 01:33:07.439
so sincere. And all along the way we had people

01:33:07.439 --> 01:33:11.140
who were brave enough to try something new. Rowdy

01:33:11.140 --> 01:33:16.000
Gerson was brand new to it as well. And he got

01:33:16.000 --> 01:33:18.399
sucked into a black hole. And then we had some

01:33:18.399 --> 01:33:22.800
people who tried, died in the wall, who had done

01:33:22.800 --> 01:33:26.720
lots of role playing. they couldn't make a dent

01:33:26.720 --> 01:33:30.159
in proceedings either. Again, it was just the

01:33:30.159 --> 01:33:35.680
chemistry of new people and old veterans and

01:33:35.680 --> 01:33:39.159
experts in Norse mythology. We talked just in

01:33:39.159 --> 01:33:41.479
the preamble here about Terry, the science Viking,

01:33:41.920 --> 01:33:45.199
who's a good friend of mine who literally joined

01:33:45.199 --> 01:33:49.520
an episode and chomped through a kind of haunch

01:33:49.520 --> 01:33:53.899
of chicken leg and drank... made and belched

01:33:53.899 --> 01:33:57.899
through to give it that kind of authentic flavor

01:33:57.899 --> 01:34:00.020
of recording. But everyone brought something

01:34:00.020 --> 01:34:02.800
new to it, so we appreciate if guests, if you

01:34:02.800 --> 01:34:05.779
watch this, we appreciate all of your time commitment

01:34:05.779 --> 01:34:10.199
and the laughs that you gave us. I have another.

01:34:10.260 --> 01:34:12.880
Your sacrifice. Sacrifice, yes. I have a different

01:34:12.880 --> 01:34:15.100
answer for favorite moment. Actually, it just

01:34:15.100 --> 01:34:18.020
came back to me. It was the moment on your third

01:34:18.020 --> 01:34:21.119
appearance, Taylor, maybe when you couldn't come

01:34:21.119 --> 01:34:23.479
up with an action. You couldn't decide what to

01:34:23.479 --> 01:34:25.699
do and you went. Oh my god, you people have infected

01:34:25.699 --> 01:34:29.039
me That was the moment that was the word that

01:34:29.039 --> 01:34:31.840
may make oh my god. This has all been worth it.

01:34:31.880 --> 01:34:34.619
We were we were We were I think it was the space

01:34:34.619 --> 01:34:37.979
elevator up from the prison and uh, the other

01:34:37.979 --> 01:34:40.960
two guests we had uh, like blasted out and went

01:34:40.960 --> 01:34:43.760
out to like fight the orcneus and it's just the

01:34:43.760 --> 01:34:48.199
the four of us in the tube and it was And I think

01:34:48.199 --> 01:34:50.840
and I think ian Said something about like well

01:34:50.840 --> 01:34:52.699
your competent members of the party have now

01:34:52.699 --> 01:34:54.640
left you in the tube and that hit me I'm like

01:34:54.640 --> 01:34:57.140
wait. I'm no longer the competent one. What have

01:34:57.140 --> 01:35:01.800
you guys done? Slow deterioration of my sanity

01:35:01.800 --> 01:35:06.260
has led me to this point so great He's one of

01:35:06.260 --> 01:35:08.460
them. I think mentioning Terry in that kind of

01:35:08.460 --> 01:35:10.140
way I guess his character didn't technically

01:35:10.140 --> 01:35:12.659
die either because he did his thing and then

01:35:12.659 --> 01:35:17.850
he got banished to a distant remote station That's

01:35:17.850 --> 01:35:21.350
correct. And he was WhatsApping me afterwards

01:35:21.350 --> 01:35:24.810
because he slowly realizes the son of a Valdi.

01:35:25.109 --> 01:35:30.270
He takes me and said, are we the baddies? That

01:35:30.270 --> 01:35:33.789
happened on air. You could tell he suddenly went...

01:35:33.789 --> 01:35:40.010
You could just see suddenly the light bulb over.

01:35:40.189 --> 01:35:45.270
He went, oh no, I chose the wrong side. So some

01:35:45.270 --> 01:35:47.010
people like that, you know, I left it open for

01:35:47.010 --> 01:35:49.590
them to come back and again, we just skim. We

01:35:49.590 --> 01:35:51.970
couldn't make that deal work. Once they, once

01:35:51.970 --> 01:35:54.789
they got the, got the taste of things, you know,

01:35:54.789 --> 01:35:58.250
their fee went up. Astronomically wanted a trailer,

01:35:58.430 --> 01:36:06.229
which made no sense. There was something that

01:36:06.229 --> 01:36:08.529
I was paying attention to for a little bit. And

01:36:08.529 --> 01:36:11.170
then afterwards I just kind of stopped, but like,

01:36:11.369 --> 01:36:16.479
cause the Gigi character is. so loud and, you

01:36:16.479 --> 01:36:18.859
know, and so Ian would say, well, we have this

01:36:18.859 --> 01:36:21.579
guest this week and they haven't done any role

01:36:21.579 --> 01:36:24.079
playing before. And so, you know, and then I

01:36:24.079 --> 01:36:25.880
remember there's even an email once that was

01:36:25.880 --> 01:36:28.560
just like be nice and I'm just like, okay What's

01:36:28.560 --> 01:36:30.979
that supposed to mean? And because because of

01:36:30.979 --> 01:36:35.539
course we would Understand being nice what yeah,

01:36:35.539 --> 01:36:37.960
we would have that we get the quiz and then and

01:36:37.960 --> 01:36:40.060
then you would say, okay Here's the imaginary

01:36:40.060 --> 01:36:41.960
set of circumstances that we're going to be playing

01:36:41.960 --> 01:36:43.939
with today and and she's you would jump right

01:36:43.939 --> 01:36:45.680
in like with some of them, you know, who the

01:36:45.680 --> 01:36:50.279
fuck are you, you know, I Remember there's one

01:36:50.279 --> 01:36:53.920
or two in a row that just kind of they had their

01:36:53.920 --> 01:36:56.840
video on I could tell I was like okay I need

01:36:56.840 --> 01:36:59.199
to dial Gigi back until they're until they're

01:36:59.199 --> 01:37:03.060
a little more comfortable because if I go too

01:37:03.060 --> 01:37:05.699
hard they might have a bad experience but then

01:37:05.699 --> 01:37:07.800
after a while then I was just like nope that's

01:37:07.800 --> 01:37:10.420
the game you gotta play we're playing I'm a method

01:37:10.420 --> 01:37:13.619
person sometimes sometimes that gives license

01:37:13.619 --> 01:37:16.319
to everyone else too right like when I play board

01:37:16.319 --> 01:37:18.079
games with with friends particularly with new

01:37:18.079 --> 01:37:20.260
people who haven't played them before I go over

01:37:20.260 --> 01:37:23.119
the top and there's Like fun trash talk and stuff

01:37:23.119 --> 01:37:25.619
like that just to kind of lead everybody up.

01:37:25.840 --> 01:37:31.739
Yes. Yes Yeah, like you don't When I joined I

01:37:31.739 --> 01:37:34.939
felt like obviously I had a chat with Ian but

01:37:34.939 --> 01:37:38.079
everyone else I was like I wonder who these people

01:37:38.079 --> 01:37:42.319
are and if they're nice I thought it was a really

01:37:42.319 --> 01:37:45.859
nice energy. But then again, I did come in with

01:37:55.690 --> 01:38:19.109
and the Do you have any auditions to give me?

01:38:24.210 --> 01:38:27.109
The chemistry between all of you in just kind

01:38:27.109 --> 01:38:29.449
of like from top to bottom from the first person

01:38:29.449 --> 01:38:32.529
to the last person off the board it was just

01:38:32.529 --> 01:38:35.770
it's just it pulls you in it's got the drama

01:38:35.770 --> 01:38:38.949
it's got the humanity that we all love about

01:38:38.949 --> 01:38:41.829
humans and it's just I just loved it all and

01:38:41.829 --> 01:38:43.689
I am really sad that there's not more of it and

01:38:43.689 --> 01:38:47.270
I wish there was hint hint. But you're getting

01:38:47.270 --> 01:38:50.350
at it and I'm not following. I have no idea.

01:38:53.590 --> 01:38:56.029
But I guess we should probably wrap up this wonderful

01:38:56.029 --> 01:38:59.270
special episode by talking about the crucial

01:38:59.270 --> 01:39:02.050
matter that is the best death award because we

01:39:02.050 --> 01:39:04.909
did kind of want to pay homage to the many people

01:39:04.909 --> 01:39:07.630
who have come and gone on this wonderful adventure

01:39:07.630 --> 01:39:11.529
with us. I would like you all to nominate one

01:39:11.529 --> 01:39:14.170
person and I'll start with Ian to buy everyone

01:39:14.170 --> 01:39:16.350
a little time and then we'll give you my nominee

01:39:16.350 --> 01:39:19.189
and we'll put it all in the chat and then we'll

01:39:19.189 --> 01:39:23.529
see which name crops up the most. So we're going

01:39:23.529 --> 01:39:29.149
to be like the Academy and cast our votes but

01:39:29.149 --> 01:39:31.170
what I'll do is I'll just give you a little recap

01:39:31.170 --> 01:39:33.069
just so you can in case you've forgotten because

01:39:33.069 --> 01:39:34.789
there are an awful lot of people that we killed.

01:39:35.510 --> 01:39:41.260
I will do it relatively quickly. So we had Joe

01:39:41.260 --> 01:39:46.420
Aleo, who wrestled the bone bear into the fire.

01:39:47.039 --> 01:39:49.239
We had Caitlin Felix, who simply left the party.

01:39:49.500 --> 01:39:53.180
We had Bjorn the Scald, shot in the back. Sam

01:39:53.180 --> 01:39:56.359
Flagel, who vanished across timelines to the

01:39:56.359 --> 01:40:00.220
Great War. Matt Forbeck, who was executed by

01:40:00.220 --> 01:40:02.840
firing squad. He was the berserker that you mentioned.

01:40:04.140 --> 01:40:07.199
Mike Foucher, who was eaten by the Great Worm.

01:40:07.699 --> 01:40:11.399
Rowdy. Geerson sucked into a black hole. Josh

01:40:11.399 --> 01:40:14.060
Gillingham chucked off a building. CJ referenced

01:40:14.060 --> 01:40:18.680
him. Jeremy Hall was blasted off a space elevator.

01:40:19.699 --> 01:40:21.600
Terry, the science viking, was banished into

01:40:21.600 --> 01:40:25.439
the wilderness. Josh Heath detonated his power

01:40:25.439 --> 01:40:29.020
armor and took out the Orcneus attackers. Becky,

01:40:29.319 --> 01:40:33.239
you were disintegrated by an angel. Tilda was

01:40:33.239 --> 01:40:38.579
killed by a shapeshifter. And Nina, you were

01:40:38.579 --> 01:40:42.420
executed off camera, having been left in the

01:40:42.420 --> 01:40:46.100
observatory ruins. Bill, if you don't remember,

01:40:46.119 --> 01:40:49.439
you were devoured by the death mask, the final

01:40:49.439 --> 01:40:55.340
computer at the end. Jay Hopkins was both decapitated

01:40:55.340 --> 01:40:58.000
by a bear, fell off the troll's tongue, and was

01:40:58.000 --> 01:41:03.140
eaten by a shapeshifter. Evan became a cabbage,

01:41:03.380 --> 01:41:09.119
having... succumbed to put on memory drive. Ed

01:41:09.119 --> 01:41:13.079
was sliced in half in a home gang. Steve, you

01:41:13.079 --> 01:41:16.600
were shattered by your enemy dock alpha red gold.

01:41:17.680 --> 01:41:19.380
And the sound effects for that were particularly

01:41:19.380 --> 01:41:22.359
good. So you need to get back and listen to the

01:41:22.359 --> 01:41:26.979
sound of brick on brick. Taylor, you were, you

01:41:26.979 --> 01:41:30.079
crash landed your spaceship. and you would later

01:41:30.079 --> 01:41:33.119
be born but you know you you you died in a fiery

01:41:33.119 --> 01:41:39.380
blaze uh dr john sexton died by dragon fire and

01:41:39.380 --> 01:41:45.659
uh andy dr andy frigga was sucked into a back

01:41:45.659 --> 01:41:50.720
hole so those are the deaths outside of the time

01:41:50.720 --> 01:41:54.279
loop because obviously you know, CJ died in the

01:41:54.279 --> 01:41:58.159
bath, et cetera, et cetera. There were those

01:41:58.159 --> 01:42:04.140
rubber ducky deaths. That's the full list for

01:42:04.140 --> 01:42:10.520
you to cast your vote on. Can I ask, wasn't there

01:42:10.520 --> 01:42:12.880
Pilda Hulp? Did she not die from this? Yeah,

01:42:12.899 --> 01:42:18.869
I did. I mentioned her. Ah, sorry. And I really

01:42:18.869 --> 01:42:21.210
did think the amount of ones that she rolled

01:42:21.210 --> 01:42:23.649
in that episode. She just kept rolling ones.

01:42:24.310 --> 01:42:27.489
It was bizarre. But she didn't actually die in

01:42:27.489 --> 01:42:29.829
that episode. She died a couple of episodes later

01:42:29.829 --> 01:42:35.930
when these guys failed to see all of the Mooriad

01:42:35.930 --> 01:42:37.850
clues that the shapeshifter was still on the

01:42:37.850 --> 01:42:45.039
prowl that were sprinkled in every episode. We

01:42:45.039 --> 01:42:48.560
had a lot on our minds. There was a lot of things

01:42:48.560 --> 01:42:51.520
going on. We did. It was a busy time for us.

01:42:52.159 --> 01:42:56.220
So Tilda actually died again off camera a couple

01:42:56.220 --> 01:43:00.680
of episodes later when the shapeshifter inhabited

01:43:00.680 --> 01:43:11.109
her form. I'm going to go for Becky disintegrated

01:43:11.109 --> 01:43:16.829
by an angel. I think it's got everything. It's

01:43:16.829 --> 01:43:19.850
got absolute disintegration. There's an angelic

01:43:19.850 --> 01:43:22.430
creature involved from a different timeline.

01:43:22.449 --> 01:43:23.789
I remember that because we didn't get past the

01:43:23.789 --> 01:43:25.550
door. She just literally touched the door handle

01:43:25.550 --> 01:43:29.729
and poof. Fantastic. That was the great part

01:43:29.729 --> 01:43:33.210
of it. Because then you then went on to tell

01:43:33.210 --> 01:43:36.170
us what we should have done from beyond the grave.

01:43:38.160 --> 01:43:40.920
That's my favorite, and that's mine. All right,

01:43:40.920 --> 01:43:43.140
so you've cast your vote. Again, we said we were

01:43:43.140 --> 01:43:44.739
going to just type it in chat and then total

01:43:44.739 --> 01:43:48.279
them up. But why obey any rules at all, ever?

01:43:49.579 --> 01:43:53.859
Can we put it in the chat? OK, we're not. Well,

01:43:53.920 --> 01:43:56.619
that was going to be the enough, but it's merely

01:43:56.619 --> 01:44:01.399
collating the official vote. Hey, man, don't

01:44:01.399 --> 01:44:04.119
try and fence me in. That's all I got to say.

01:44:04.670 --> 01:44:07.989
So, would you like it in chat or do we just announce?

01:44:08.710 --> 01:44:11.210
This is an audio thing, let's just... Okay, you

01:44:11.210 --> 01:44:13.689
announce it then. Okay, you go ahead. Danina,

01:44:13.689 --> 01:44:18.170
do you want to go next? Yes. So, I'm giving my

01:44:18.170 --> 01:44:21.369
vote to Rowdy, who has sucked into a black hole,

01:44:21.369 --> 01:44:25.710
because that is horrifying. Bagenified. Yeah.

01:44:26.189 --> 01:44:30.930
Horrifying. And so, and the betrayal through

01:44:30.930 --> 01:44:38.409
incompetence again. Yeah. He was kind of angry

01:44:38.409 --> 01:44:41.329
because he was hoping to go to Valhalla and it

01:44:41.329 --> 01:44:46.010
was all thwarted. Maybe there's a three way through

01:44:46.010 --> 01:44:52.489
the back door. I'm voting for cut and half because

01:44:52.489 --> 01:44:58.050
it was so fast, so heroic and so utterly futile.

01:44:59.119 --> 01:45:02.659
And I really yeah, it was that thank you and

01:45:02.659 --> 01:45:05.340
it really that futility I think really captured

01:45:05.340 --> 01:45:16.000
the essence of you know stuff CJ I'm torn between

01:45:16.000 --> 01:45:23.600
two I think I think the the Josh Gillingham thrown

01:45:23.600 --> 01:45:27.199
off departed style off the roof was It's just

01:45:27.199 --> 01:45:30.380
because of the just the sheer shock value I think

01:45:30.380 --> 01:45:32.380
I was still new enough in the show to where it

01:45:32.380 --> 01:45:35.279
was it's like I hadn't been desensitized all

01:45:35.279 --> 01:45:40.079
the way yet It was like what ah, you know, um,

01:45:40.180 --> 01:45:46.560
but but I also have to shout out um Joe alejo

01:45:46.560 --> 01:45:49.220
Because in that episode where we're in the hall

01:45:49.220 --> 01:45:53.659
and we're fighting the mystical bear thing The

01:45:53.659 --> 01:45:56.119
three of us rolled I think Well, first of all,

01:45:56.260 --> 01:45:59.300
Steve ran for the hills. He was gone. Yeah. And

01:45:59.300 --> 01:46:03.659
Bill tried to cast something. He shot an arrow

01:46:03.659 --> 01:46:05.100
at it and it went through the bones. I think

01:46:05.100 --> 01:46:07.600
he rolled a one. I also rolled a one. That's

01:46:07.600 --> 01:46:13.020
right. Gigi put himself between Lomi and the

01:46:13.020 --> 01:46:15.520
bear thinking, all right, I can take him down

01:46:15.520 --> 01:46:18.350
and then roll the one. and so we were dead i

01:46:18.350 --> 01:46:20.670
mean for all intents we would have we were supposed

01:46:20.670 --> 01:46:22.810
to die and and joe got in there and he's like

01:46:22.810 --> 01:46:24.729
no i'm gonna lift the bear and take it into the

01:46:24.729 --> 01:46:26.649
fire so i think i'm gonna vote for that one because

01:46:26.649 --> 01:46:29.529
and also just the way that it played out felt

01:46:29.529 --> 01:46:32.189
like a movie right where this guy comes in and

01:46:32.189 --> 01:46:34.369
does this heroic act so i'll do i'll do joe with

01:46:34.369 --> 01:46:39.430
the bear certainly certainly a pretty viking

01:46:39.430 --> 01:46:42.449
dip it's quite brave take one for the team baylor

01:46:42.449 --> 01:46:45.369
whatever you go i'm gonna go with Josh being

01:46:45.369 --> 01:46:48.109
thrown off the roof for basically the same reason.

01:46:48.529 --> 01:46:53.930
It was cinematic and shocking, and the effect

01:46:53.930 --> 01:46:57.270
it had on the players was hilarious. So I'm going

01:46:57.270 --> 01:47:00.390
to go with that. OK, Becky, can you go next?

01:47:00.590 --> 01:47:03.050
And then I might have to cast a deciding vote.

01:47:04.010 --> 01:47:05.909
I was going to say, I was pretty much like CJ.

01:47:06.210 --> 01:47:08.390
I was thinking kind of like Joe Bush and the

01:47:08.390 --> 01:47:13.189
Bear. That was just so. Not quite cliche or stereotypical,

01:47:13.210 --> 01:47:15.069
but it was what you wanted or expected from a

01:47:15.069 --> 01:47:17.270
Viking -setting film. You just expected them

01:47:17.270 --> 01:47:20.109
to wrestle bears and all sorts. But then when

01:47:20.109 --> 01:47:22.270
you reminded me, I think it was in Jay and his

01:47:22.270 --> 01:47:24.930
prayer to the serpent slash worm, I thought,

01:47:25.449 --> 01:47:28.529
yes, it was so beautifully done and yet proved

01:47:28.529 --> 01:47:31.949
so futile in the end. You could almost see the

01:47:31.949 --> 01:47:34.590
serpent think for a nanosecond about what this

01:47:34.590 --> 01:47:36.909
human was trying to tell it, and then it's delayed

01:47:36.909 --> 01:47:39.050
it. So I think I'm going to have to go with Jay.

01:47:39.050 --> 01:47:41.779
Well, that was Mike. That was Mike. Mike, sorry,

01:47:41.920 --> 01:47:47.020
not Joe. That was Mike. Go for Mike. We haven't

01:47:47.020 --> 01:47:49.100
made life at all easy because everyone's done

01:47:49.100 --> 01:47:53.220
everything. Which obviously shows the vast breadth

01:47:53.220 --> 01:47:56.239
and depth of the depths on display. The sheer

01:47:56.239 --> 01:48:04.020
quality. The sheer quality. Should we do a second

01:48:04.020 --> 01:48:06.979
round? Like take the ones we just voted for and

01:48:06.979 --> 01:48:12.479
make them the finalist and then revote? I don't

01:48:12.479 --> 01:48:14.960
want to get in trouble again. Well, there's a

01:48:14.960 --> 01:48:16.840
good way of doing it, but I'm going to throw

01:48:16.840 --> 01:48:21.359
my one then, because I think just for the sheer

01:48:21.359 --> 01:48:25.319
versatility of his deaths, we have to award something

01:48:25.319 --> 01:48:31.260
to Jay Hopkins. Not only for the most incompetent

01:48:31.260 --> 01:48:33.699
detective ever who came up with the immortal

01:48:33.699 --> 01:48:42.460
line, suicide by bear. But if you look at, I

01:48:42.460 --> 01:48:47.039
mean, he genuinely, when he died, seemed like

01:48:47.039 --> 01:48:50.199
a grieved and horrified. And he would just, because

01:48:50.199 --> 01:48:52.600
Bill had this meme line that he'd say, where

01:48:52.600 --> 01:48:55.920
you would just say, that's fine. That's fine.

01:48:56.100 --> 01:48:59.779
And he'd just say, no, it's not fine. No, it's

01:48:59.779 --> 01:49:03.760
not fine. And because he came on board three

01:49:03.760 --> 01:49:10.060
times and then ultimately got you know, imitated

01:49:10.060 --> 01:49:17.079
by a shape -shifter and just pounded into a bloody

01:49:17.079 --> 01:49:20.380
pulp in that episode, having witnessed his friends'

01:49:20.479 --> 01:49:24.819
arms and legs being cut off. I think we have

01:49:24.819 --> 01:49:28.840
to, I think I have to go Jane. Okay. Not many

01:49:28.840 --> 01:49:32.500
people gave three times. All right, well, let's,

01:49:32.500 --> 01:49:34.039
let's, let's, let's whittle it down then and

01:49:34.039 --> 01:49:43.039
see whether anyone can align on I'm going to

01:49:43.039 --> 01:49:46.760
vote for Jay, because I like the versatility.

01:49:49.039 --> 01:49:51.500
Now that you mentioned it, Jay did have some

01:49:51.500 --> 01:49:54.300
wonderful moments. And the Josh Gillingham death,

01:49:55.819 --> 01:49:58.659
Jay's death in that episode was equally shocking.

01:49:59.659 --> 01:50:02.560
And he actually sits on the opposite building

01:50:02.560 --> 01:50:05.819
watching his partner of many years. You know

01:50:05.819 --> 01:50:08.060
Josh is his partner and Josh falls in the building

01:50:08.060 --> 01:50:10.420
and Jay just didn't really know what's going

01:50:10.420 --> 01:50:16.000
on. He said he says that so he's dead. There's

01:50:16.000 --> 01:50:24.020
a kind of denial. Yeah, second one too. Yeah,

01:50:24.020 --> 01:50:27.300
so I'll I'll switch to Jay. I'll I'll go that

01:50:27.300 --> 01:50:29.920
way too. I think you've argued a good case and.

01:50:31.500 --> 01:50:34.100
Yeah, let's do Nina and Nina is that you know

01:50:34.100 --> 01:50:39.279
is. Oh, God. I mean, everyone's voting for Jay,

01:50:39.420 --> 01:50:43.819
but I'm still, I mean, rarely do you get to die

01:50:43.819 --> 01:50:47.260
by black hole, so. It depends if you play with

01:50:47.260 --> 01:50:50.060
Steve. You're not wrong. It's a good one. It

01:50:50.060 --> 01:50:51.279
depends if you play with Steve, because bear

01:50:51.279 --> 01:50:53.359
in mind that two people were sucked in at the

01:50:53.359 --> 01:50:57.239
same time. Exactly. It was like double death.

01:50:59.039 --> 01:51:02.020
That's more of an award for Steve, then, perhaps.

01:51:02.060 --> 01:51:07.020
We can just call Steve the best murderer. Yeah

01:51:07.020 --> 01:51:09.539
I do what I can. All right, well, perhaps we

01:51:09.539 --> 01:51:13.819
just do a general and and Bill perhaps you can

01:51:13.819 --> 01:51:16.340
get you can get Jay on the phone not necessarily

01:51:16.340 --> 01:51:19.680
now, but just for an exception speech. Yeah Call

01:51:19.680 --> 01:51:24.119
him up and tell him You're gonna call him now.

01:51:24.380 --> 01:51:25.819
If he doesn't answer that's gonna be a bit of

01:51:25.819 --> 01:51:30.899
a dymatic. I am gonna give Jay a pause for basically

01:51:30.899 --> 01:51:37.560
being a cat with nine lives and Yeah, creating

01:51:37.560 --> 01:51:39.859
characters that then had different deaths each

01:51:39.859 --> 01:51:42.260
time is like numerically he's beaten definitely

01:51:42.260 --> 01:51:46.810
everyone else for sure. But I guess the commendation

01:51:46.810 --> 01:51:49.489
could go to Rowdy and his friend for going in

01:51:49.489 --> 01:51:52.029
the black hole because it was such a uniquely

01:51:52.029 --> 01:51:54.890
unintended death, whereas everyone else was killed

01:51:54.890 --> 01:51:58.149
by something with intention. These two just happened

01:51:58.149 --> 01:51:59.869
to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Rowdy

01:51:59.869 --> 01:52:03.949
and John. Rowdy and John. John was the one who

01:52:03.949 --> 01:52:06.069
came up with that immortal there. The gods are

01:52:06.069 --> 01:52:11.270
not as good as we were. It was very good. Bill,

01:52:11.289 --> 01:52:13.609
I presume he's not going to arrive on the phone.

01:52:13.880 --> 01:52:17.979
Well, I pinged him, let's see. He's just started

01:52:17.979 --> 01:52:20.619
a new business and is working very well. You

01:52:20.619 --> 01:52:23.319
just convey the fact that we will be turning

01:52:23.319 --> 01:52:25.920
up on this doorstep with the golden statuette.

01:52:26.340 --> 01:52:34.300
And the big check with zero. He gets repeat fees

01:52:34.300 --> 01:52:37.020
for coming back another three times in series

01:52:37.020 --> 01:52:39.840
two. Okay, I'll let him know that too. He'll

01:52:39.840 --> 01:52:42.340
be he'll be thrilled with the extra demand on

01:52:42.340 --> 01:52:47.420
his time Like the death is he like Sean Bean

01:52:47.420 --> 01:53:01.899
of like I'll do it That's what we would now be

01:53:01.899 --> 01:53:04.399
christened it's the Sean Bean best death Viking

01:53:04.399 --> 01:53:09.340
verse award and he is he is one All right, I've

01:53:09.340 --> 01:53:12.140
let them know. We'll see. Becky, thank you for

01:53:12.140 --> 01:53:14.239
taking time to do this. It's been fun to see

01:53:14.239 --> 01:53:16.500
the old gang after all of these weeks apart.

01:53:17.020 --> 01:53:20.859
Yeah. It's kind of weird to have not been seeing

01:53:20.859 --> 01:53:25.060
you guys regularly as we did. That became a very

01:53:25.060 --> 01:53:27.979
regular part of Monday nights. Having a Monday

01:53:27.979 --> 01:53:30.000
night without that in, it's like, oh, that's.

01:53:29.979 --> 01:53:32.680
That seems a little strange. Is there plans for

01:53:32.680 --> 01:53:35.979
series two, or? I'm going to say, please, please

01:53:35.979 --> 01:53:41.680
tell me. Sure, sure, sure. But probably just

01:53:41.680 --> 01:53:44.020
a little bit of a break because I need to do

01:53:44.020 --> 01:53:48.659
things like, you know, earn a living. Yeah, that's

01:53:48.659 --> 01:53:52.939
the downside of being a critic. It's super fun.

01:53:53.180 --> 01:53:55.420
It's super funny. You know, there's lots of laughs.

01:53:55.659 --> 01:53:58.710
But what you can do is just, you know. is relive

01:53:58.710 --> 01:54:02.470
those laughs and listen to the podcast, not mentioning

01:54:02.470 --> 01:54:05.130
Bill or Steve at all, and the fact they haven't

01:54:05.130 --> 01:54:07.390
listened to that last episode. I'm going to listen

01:54:07.390 --> 01:54:10.670
to the whole damn thing. You know what? I'll

01:54:10.670 --> 01:54:12.890
tell you what else. Steve and I are going to

01:54:12.890 --> 01:54:15.510
start a podcast where we listen to each episode.

01:54:15.739 --> 01:54:18.539
together and discuss it. It's like all these

01:54:18.539 --> 01:54:20.600
three watch episodes that are going on right

01:54:20.600 --> 01:54:23.000
now. It's like you're not the people also in

01:54:23.000 --> 01:54:29.600
it. I thought it was really good in this episode.

01:54:30.260 --> 01:54:41.449
It's like mystery. I must say that kind of like

01:54:41.449 --> 01:54:43.550
anyone who's watching, can indeed go to Vikingverse

01:54:43.550 --> 01:54:46.109
.com and they can get the wonderful When the

01:54:46.109 --> 01:54:49.930
Wolf Comes campaign source book. So you can go

01:54:49.930 --> 01:54:52.449
to Vikingverse .com for a quick tour, learn more

01:54:52.449 --> 01:54:54.890
about When the Wolf Comes and the thought and

01:54:54.890 --> 01:54:58.250
memory saga, its modular series of adventures.

01:54:58.390 --> 01:55:00.189
And of course, find the Vikings, the Valkyries

01:55:00.189 --> 01:55:02.689
podcast, wherever you are listening to and watching

01:55:02.689 --> 01:55:06.000
this podcast today, ladies and gentlemen. Thank

01:55:06.000 --> 01:55:09.039
you to my one, two, three, four, five, six wonderful

01:55:09.039 --> 01:55:12.399
guests. Most guests I've had on any episode so

01:55:12.399 --> 01:55:14.539
far. So thank you for that. It's been a lot of

01:55:14.539 --> 01:55:17.220
fun. I have managed to survive and we've all

01:55:17.220 --> 01:55:20.180
survived to the end without too much overlapping

01:55:20.180 --> 01:55:22.779
with speech and everything. Thank you so much.

01:55:22.779 --> 01:55:24.640
Thank you so much for the fun of the podcast

01:55:24.640 --> 01:55:26.920
as well. I appreciate all the hours you guys

01:55:26.920 --> 01:55:29.680
put into it. Of course, not just Ian's wonderful

01:55:29.680 --> 01:55:31.979
work on and off camera, but you guys as well.

01:55:32.109 --> 01:55:34.649
dedicated those Monday evenings. It made my Tuesday

01:55:34.649 --> 01:55:38.210
afternoons all the more fun at work. And I wish

01:55:38.210 --> 01:55:40.409
you all best of luck in all your own creative

01:55:40.409 --> 01:55:42.409
endeavors. And I will be sharing links to all

01:55:42.409 --> 01:55:44.930
your work, websites, et cetera, in the blurb

01:55:44.930 --> 01:55:47.409
below for visitors and viewers to go check them

01:55:47.409 --> 01:55:49.630
out and support you guys in all you do next.

01:55:50.189 --> 01:55:52.770
Thank you so much. You're all wonderful people.

01:55:52.829 --> 01:55:55.229
Thank you, Becky. Yes, thank you. You're all

01:55:55.229 --> 01:55:56.890
wonderful people. I don't care what Bill says.

01:55:58.729 --> 01:56:03.149
You bastard. That's it. I've had it. Thank you

01:56:03.149 --> 01:56:03.189
very much.