WEBVTT 00:00:06.509 --> 00:00:09.429 Hello everybody and welcome to Family Tree Talk, 00:00:09.589 --> 00:00:12.509 your favourite family history podcast. I'm your 00:00:12.509 --> 00:00:15.410 co -host Nathan and with me as always is... Helen 00:00:15.410 --> 00:00:18.370 Dovey. Hi Helen, you alright? I'm very, very 00:00:18.370 --> 00:00:20.710 well, yes. How are you? I'm alright. I'm in lots 00:00:20.710 --> 00:00:23.789 of pain. Pain? I've been doing lots of stupid 00:00:23.789 --> 00:00:26.809 exercises. It's my own fault. I'm an idiot. But... 00:00:27.149 --> 00:00:29.309 It's the two day later pain. You think you've 00:00:29.309 --> 00:00:32.509 survived the pain. You're a fit person. And then 00:00:32.509 --> 00:00:35.929 two days later, you get wrecked by the stupid 00:00:35.929 --> 00:00:39.549 activity of jumping on blocks and stupid things 00:00:39.549 --> 00:00:41.869 like that. Oh, hello. I'm going to squat. Why 00:00:41.869 --> 00:00:43.929 am I squatting? I don't know. There's no real 00:00:43.929 --> 00:00:48.630 reason for it. Anyway, rant over. If you hear 00:00:48.630 --> 00:00:50.250 me groaning throughout the podcast, just know 00:00:50.250 --> 00:00:53.399 it's pain. Okay. Okay, I understand. At least 00:00:53.399 --> 00:00:55.380 it's not family history pain, that's good. I've 00:00:55.380 --> 00:00:57.560 got plenty of family history pain. Have you? 00:00:57.820 --> 00:01:00.439 Yeah, well, not really, just mysteries, which 00:01:00.439 --> 00:01:03.799 is good. Yes. So, should we talk about your mysteries 00:01:03.799 --> 00:01:06.120 first, or should we talk about some really cool 00:01:06.120 --> 00:01:10.980 podcast listeners? Oh, yes, yes, podcast listener, 00:01:11.060 --> 00:01:14.480 please, yes. I like the listener. Well, there's 00:01:14.480 --> 00:01:16.340 two listeners, in fact, who've written in with 00:01:16.340 --> 00:01:18.540 really cool things, so I'm just going to share 00:01:18.540 --> 00:01:22.730 them now, okay? So we do absolutely love getting 00:01:22.730 --> 00:01:25.549 emails and things from podcast listeners. It 00:01:25.549 --> 00:01:27.290 tends to be emails, which I think is really interesting. 00:01:27.730 --> 00:01:29.810 There's something about emails, which is kind 00:01:29.810 --> 00:01:31.750 of a mixture between old and new, isn't it? Because 00:01:31.750 --> 00:01:34.209 you can, it's easy to type. You can do a great 00:01:34.209 --> 00:01:36.450 big email. You can attach documents easily, everything. 00:01:36.689 --> 00:01:40.469 So we've got Karen and Liz have both emailed 00:01:40.469 --> 00:01:42.170 in. I'll do Liz first because it's a little bit 00:01:42.170 --> 00:01:45.030 quicker. So Liz has been doing family history 00:01:45.030 --> 00:01:49.219 for almost 25 years. And she says she's almost 00:01:49.219 --> 00:01:52.200 embarrassed to admit that she's never kept a 00:01:52.200 --> 00:01:56.250 formal research log. Gasp. But... When she goes 00:01:56.250 --> 00:01:58.329 on to explain what she does, I'm like, Liz, you're 00:01:58.329 --> 00:02:01.650 fine. Honestly, totally fine. So she says, though 00:02:01.650 --> 00:02:03.849 she's never found it a problem not keeping a 00:02:03.849 --> 00:02:06.670 log, because what she does do is keep a record 00:02:06.670 --> 00:02:09.169 of everything she's done and what she needs to 00:02:09.169 --> 00:02:11.870 do next, which by my book, that's a research 00:02:11.870 --> 00:02:14.509 log. That's just logging your research. So Liz, 00:02:14.669 --> 00:02:16.870 no need to feel embarrassed. You should feel 00:02:16.870 --> 00:02:18.750 super proud of yourself that you're actually 00:02:18.750 --> 00:02:20.490 writing it down. That's the main thing which 00:02:20.490 --> 00:02:22.469 me and Nathan want to try and drum into each 00:02:22.469 --> 00:02:24.770 other's heads is just write it down in some way. 00:02:25.360 --> 00:02:27.740 recorded in some way, don't you reckon? Yeah, 00:02:27.800 --> 00:02:29.219 she's doing better than we are, I think, already. 00:02:29.500 --> 00:02:31.979 I think she's doing miles better than us, yes. 00:02:32.819 --> 00:02:35.000 And so she started her family history because 00:02:35.000 --> 00:02:37.020 she wanted to know some of her ancestors' stories. 00:02:37.159 --> 00:02:40.139 So she's always written them up as she goes along. 00:02:40.340 --> 00:02:42.479 She gets better and better, doesn't she? Yeah? 00:02:42.620 --> 00:02:44.680 You feel a bit sick, to be honest. I know, I 00:02:44.680 --> 00:02:47.400 feel very jealous. If this was a video, we'd 00:02:47.400 --> 00:02:49.139 see that me and Nathan have slightly green with 00:02:49.139 --> 00:02:52.300 envy faces. Anyway, and then Liz does go on to 00:02:52.300 --> 00:02:54.180 kind of... comfort us a little and she says she 00:02:54.180 --> 00:02:56.840 hastens to add that her family history isn't 00:02:56.840 --> 00:02:59.479 all written up just some of it's written up as 00:02:59.479 --> 00:03:02.419 a chronological brain dump or some of it is just 00:03:02.419 --> 00:03:04.319 a chronological brain dump of census records 00:03:04.319 --> 00:03:07.860 images of birth certificates newspapers etc but 00:03:07.860 --> 00:03:09.800 she has done some stories and she has logged 00:03:09.800 --> 00:03:11.699 what she does and she has saved all those documents 00:03:11.699 --> 00:03:13.599 so i'm like check check check you're doing amazing 00:03:13.599 --> 00:03:16.199 me liz that sounds awesome yeah really well done 00:03:16.199 --> 00:03:18.879 i must confess one of the things i've done this 00:03:18.879 --> 00:03:22.599 week is my genealogy journal But I was actually 00:03:22.599 --> 00:03:25.039 writing an apology to myself in the journal for 00:03:25.039 --> 00:03:27.039 not writing in the journal like I said I was 00:03:27.039 --> 00:03:30.659 going to. Isn't that sad? At least I've finally 00:03:30.659 --> 00:03:32.860 gone back to it. Well, I don't think it's sad. 00:03:32.919 --> 00:03:34.539 I think one of your descendants in the future, 00:03:34.580 --> 00:03:36.900 they'll find that so touching, your conscientious 00:03:36.900 --> 00:03:39.979 nature. They'll like it. Yeah, but missing all 00:03:39.979 --> 00:03:43.659 the information that I've been doing. Shall I 00:03:43.659 --> 00:03:46.840 just finish off with Liz the genealogy whiz's 00:03:46.840 --> 00:03:48.560 last bit of stuff that she does because it is 00:03:48.560 --> 00:03:52.629 so good and so useful. Please do. Yes. So she 00:03:52.629 --> 00:03:55.169 does also record the things that she's checked 00:03:55.169 --> 00:03:58.189 and failed to find in an appendix at the end. 00:03:58.229 --> 00:04:00.870 And that is such a good idea to record what you 00:04:00.870 --> 00:04:03.250 don't find so that you don't, in a few months 00:04:03.250 --> 00:04:05.210 down the line or a few years down the line, go 00:04:05.210 --> 00:04:08.449 and repeat those steps. Yeah. And having all 00:04:08.449 --> 00:04:10.930 of her records in the way that she does works 00:04:10.930 --> 00:04:12.770 for her because she doesn't have to keep switching 00:04:12.770 --> 00:04:15.789 between documents to access her to -do list. 00:04:16.649 --> 00:04:18.730 And she always has a separate document for specific 00:04:18.730 --> 00:04:22.149 archives because then if she realises that she 00:04:22.149 --> 00:04:24.069 needs a document, she can add it to the list 00:04:24.069 --> 00:04:26.750 for that archive so that her research list for 00:04:26.750 --> 00:04:29.129 the archive is always ready to go. So there are 00:04:29.129 --> 00:04:31.889 so many good ideas just in this couple of paragraphs 00:04:31.889 --> 00:04:34.370 that Liz has written. I'm going to recap. So 00:04:34.370 --> 00:04:38.069 what Liz does is she records everything that 00:04:38.069 --> 00:04:40.790 she does and she also records what she needs 00:04:40.790 --> 00:04:45.779 to do next. Brilliant. She also keeps a copy 00:04:45.779 --> 00:04:48.660 of all of the documents that she finds, saves 00:04:48.660 --> 00:04:51.040 those down or pastes them into a Word document. 00:04:51.720 --> 00:04:56.620 She also records a list of things that she's 00:04:56.620 --> 00:04:59.120 checked and failed to find and puts them in an 00:04:59.120 --> 00:05:02.910 appendix at the end of her Word document. And 00:05:02.910 --> 00:05:06.350 then she also has a separate document for each 00:05:06.350 --> 00:05:08.850 archive that she comes across that she's going 00:05:08.850 --> 00:05:11.129 to want to visit in the future. And she adds 00:05:11.129 --> 00:05:12.949 the document that she wants to view when she 00:05:12.949 --> 00:05:14.990 goes to the archive to that list. So that when 00:05:14.990 --> 00:05:17.110 she goes to pay a visit to the archive, she just 00:05:17.110 --> 00:05:19.389 has that document ready to go. And she knows 00:05:19.389 --> 00:05:21.850 just what she's doing with her precious archive 00:05:21.850 --> 00:05:24.870 time. Liz, round of applause. That's just fantastic 00:05:24.870 --> 00:05:27.930 on every front. Yeah, that's really meticulous. 00:05:27.949 --> 00:05:30.980 That's amazing. Yes, we're so proud of you. And 00:05:30.980 --> 00:05:34.180 it's so inspirational. Yes, making me feel like 00:05:34.180 --> 00:05:37.600 a bad lad. Well, we just need to be inspired 00:05:37.600 --> 00:05:40.540 by Liz, I think. We do. Yeah. Some really good 00:05:40.540 --> 00:05:43.019 tips there, though. Yes. She also had loads of 00:05:43.019 --> 00:05:46.040 other tips about she's been using AI. She finds 00:05:46.040 --> 00:05:48.779 it really good. She's been checking it out and 00:05:48.779 --> 00:05:51.199 comparing and contrasting with her own work and 00:05:51.199 --> 00:05:55.139 with what Google Gemini can do for her. And she's 00:05:55.139 --> 00:05:58.449 found that it's very, very similar. quality rate 00:05:58.449 --> 00:06:00.449 to hers which judged by her quality rate is going 00:06:00.449 --> 00:06:02.850 to be good and so she feels confident using it 00:06:02.850 --> 00:06:04.689 and that's a really good idea and Karen Evans 00:06:04.689 --> 00:06:07.389 mentioned this in her course recently to try 00:06:07.389 --> 00:06:09.889 out websites whether they're using the AI whether 00:06:09.889 --> 00:06:11.790 you're using AI functionality or whether you're 00:06:11.790 --> 00:06:14.470 just searching if you search for things that 00:06:14.470 --> 00:06:17.069 you know when you first come across a new database 00:06:17.069 --> 00:06:20.550 or if you try out AI tools with things that you 00:06:20.550 --> 00:06:22.670 already know the answers to just to kind of get 00:06:22.670 --> 00:06:24.790 the lie of the land and understand can you get 00:06:24.790 --> 00:06:29.009 a feeling like you know is this behaving in a 00:06:29.009 --> 00:06:31.269 to a level of accuracy that i feel confident 00:06:31.269 --> 00:06:34.569 in using it is it is it providing you what i 00:06:34.569 --> 00:06:36.910 would expect it to provide in terms of search 00:06:36.910 --> 00:06:39.529 results what's missing so you can kind of use 00:06:39.529 --> 00:06:42.610 your experience to help ascertain how good and 00:06:42.610 --> 00:06:45.470 how effective a new tool is to you i think that's 00:06:45.470 --> 00:06:48.910 a really good idea from karen evans yeah definitely 00:06:48.910 --> 00:06:51.110 that goes back to what i was doing last week 00:06:51.110 --> 00:06:52.889 with my robin hood prince of thieves quoting 00:06:52.889 --> 00:06:56.290 why is that then nathan Quoting film quotes and 00:06:56.290 --> 00:06:58.930 then seeing which AI knew what I was talking 00:06:58.930 --> 00:07:02.050 about. Yes, yes, that is exactly it. It does 00:07:02.050 --> 00:07:04.209 do that. Yeah, mine was just stupid and just 00:07:04.209 --> 00:07:06.949 for fun, but it's the same principle. It is the 00:07:06.949 --> 00:07:09.750 same principle, definitely. Before we move away 00:07:09.750 --> 00:07:11.430 from our little postbag, should we talk about 00:07:11.430 --> 00:07:15.509 Karen from Western Australia as well? Yeah. Okay, 00:07:15.610 --> 00:07:19.230 so nugget alert, Karen has a Tankman ancestor 00:07:19.230 --> 00:07:23.100 too. Ooh, not the same one though. Not the same 00:07:23.100 --> 00:07:25.319 one, but a very cool one. So actually, it was 00:07:25.319 --> 00:07:28.600 Karen's dad. So Karen writes, please tell Nathan 00:07:28.600 --> 00:07:31.139 that my dad was a tank man. He was in the British 00:07:31.139 --> 00:07:34.199 Army in the early 1960s and was a tank driver. 00:07:34.319 --> 00:07:36.879 And he was stationed in Berlin when the Berlin 00:07:36.879 --> 00:07:41.040 Wall went up. Wow. Now, fortunately, Karen's 00:07:41.040 --> 00:07:43.040 sister studied history and English at university 00:07:43.040 --> 00:07:45.990 and interviewed their dad. about his life for 00:07:45.990 --> 00:07:48.850 an assignment. And so she interviewed her dad 00:07:48.850 --> 00:07:51.129 about 20 years ago, not long before he died. 00:07:51.250 --> 00:07:53.910 And that's just, it's just so precious, these 00:07:53.910 --> 00:07:55.370 interview things. So I'm just going to read a 00:07:55.370 --> 00:07:57.250 little bit about it. So this is just a typed 00:07:57.250 --> 00:07:59.629 up document, but how precious to have these little 00:07:59.629 --> 00:08:02.970 insights. So Karen's sister said to her dad, 00:08:03.110 --> 00:08:05.250 you were stationed in Germany when the Berlin 00:08:05.250 --> 00:08:07.930 Wall went up. What was the general reaction to 00:08:07.930 --> 00:08:11.410 that? And so Karen and her sister's dad writes, 00:08:11.730 --> 00:08:14.149 the barbed wire went up on the Saturday night. 00:08:14.990 --> 00:08:17.269 And there was all sorts of information coming 00:08:17.269 --> 00:08:20.230 in on the radio, but no one did anything until 00:08:20.230 --> 00:08:23.209 the Monday. It was a very slow reaction initially, 00:08:23.269 --> 00:08:26.209 because no one realised just how serious it was. 00:08:26.970 --> 00:08:29.709 Once they did, we were all put on alert and all 00:08:29.709 --> 00:08:31.470 the tanks had to be made ready for immediate 00:08:31.470 --> 00:08:35.490 use. We were stationed at a massive NATO garrison 00:08:35.490 --> 00:08:38.269 at a place called Hohner, and there were also 00:08:38.269 --> 00:08:41.419 Americans, French and Germans. They were all 00:08:41.419 --> 00:08:44.159 ready for war, but we'd stripped our tanks down 00:08:44.159 --> 00:08:46.580 for an inspection that week, so didn't have any 00:08:46.580 --> 00:08:49.480 tanks on the road. No one had been expecting 00:08:49.480 --> 00:08:54.019 anything like that to happen. Wow. It's so cool, 00:08:54.120 --> 00:08:56.659 isn't it? Those personal insights of, you know, 00:08:56.679 --> 00:08:59.220 her dad's, what it was actually like to be the 00:08:59.220 --> 00:09:01.360 tank man there and your tank stripped down and 00:09:01.360 --> 00:09:03.279 you think you might need to be preparing for 00:09:03.279 --> 00:09:05.059 war and you're feeling very unprepared. It's 00:09:05.059 --> 00:09:08.350 just astonishing. Yeah, that's an amazing insight, 00:09:08.370 --> 00:09:09.509 isn't it? Because obviously you can read about 00:09:09.509 --> 00:09:11.009 it in the history books, but you're not going 00:09:11.009 --> 00:09:15.070 to get that on the front line response. That's 00:09:15.070 --> 00:09:18.330 cool. It's very cool. I'm going to skip through 00:09:18.330 --> 00:09:22.019 the rest of Karen's wonderful email. doing the 00:09:22.019 --> 00:09:24.720 highlights. So honestly, she's so many amazing 00:09:24.720 --> 00:09:27.759 things. So she listened to one of our podcast 00:09:27.759 --> 00:09:29.980 episodes in which we talked about creating a 00:09:29.980 --> 00:09:32.620 playlist of, say, top 20 songs that defined our 00:09:32.620 --> 00:09:35.279 lives. And she's busy doing this and she's going 00:09:35.279 --> 00:09:36.899 to share it with her husband and kids. And she's 00:09:36.899 --> 00:09:39.460 also going to pop a copy in her will. So that 00:09:39.460 --> 00:09:41.700 will definitely be a tearjerker, hopefully not 00:09:41.700 --> 00:09:44.620 for many, many decades to come. But that's such 00:09:44.620 --> 00:09:48.200 a sweet and precious idea. She's also been in 00:09:48.200 --> 00:09:51.860 a wonderful rabbit hole, which includes Weaving 00:09:51.860 --> 00:09:55.320 in Lewis Carroll, which I think is just pretty 00:09:55.320 --> 00:09:58.159 perfect kind of rabbit hole situation because 00:09:58.159 --> 00:10:00.259 he's the designer of the rabbit hole, wasn't 00:10:00.259 --> 00:10:03.440 he, with Alice in Wonderland. Nice spot on. Yes. 00:10:03.940 --> 00:10:08.360 So anyway, a few years ago, she visited England 00:10:08.360 --> 00:10:13.320 and coincidence or serendipity, last year, Karen 00:10:13.320 --> 00:10:15.559 and her sister were visiting England and they 00:10:15.559 --> 00:10:18.059 met up with a relative who drove them around 00:10:18.059 --> 00:10:21.049 Runcorn, where their mum is from. And the relative 00:10:21.049 --> 00:10:23.870 took them to lunch in a lovely pub in Daresbury. 00:10:24.169 --> 00:10:26.490 And the pub was across the road from All Saints 00:10:26.490 --> 00:10:29.889 Church. And on his recommendation, we went to 00:10:29.889 --> 00:10:31.730 have a look inside the church as it commemorates 00:10:31.730 --> 00:10:33.669 Lewis Carroll, who was born in the vicarage. 00:10:34.250 --> 00:10:36.309 And you can see his Alice in Wonderland characters 00:10:36.309 --> 00:10:39.419 in a stained glass window. At the weekend recently, 00:10:39.720 --> 00:10:42.519 Karen decided to do another search for the marriage 00:10:42.519 --> 00:10:44.620 of her three times great grandparents, Daniel 00:10:44.620 --> 00:10:46.860 and Elizabeth, that she'd never managed to find. 00:10:47.120 --> 00:10:49.700 She tried different search techniques and finally 00:10:49.700 --> 00:10:52.299 found it. And guess where they were married? 00:10:52.500 --> 00:10:55.639 In All Saints Church, Daresbury. And she goes 00:10:55.639 --> 00:10:57.860 on to say that she kind of actually thinks they 00:10:57.860 --> 00:11:02.090 were closer and closer connections. interweavings 00:11:02.090 --> 00:11:04.269 between the fact she's been finding the Lewis 00:11:04.269 --> 00:11:06.529 Carroll family. It's just astonishing. So it's 00:11:06.529 --> 00:11:08.629 a rabbit hole from the master of rabbit holes, 00:11:08.710 --> 00:11:11.210 which I think is extra, extra cool. That sounds 00:11:11.210 --> 00:11:13.710 brilliant. And there's more. One last thing. 00:11:13.809 --> 00:11:16.230 So in one of our other podcasts, because Karen 00:11:16.230 --> 00:11:18.049 Bleser is wading her way through all our past 00:11:18.049 --> 00:11:21.769 podcasts, back catalogue, she says she's even 00:11:21.769 --> 00:11:24.129 put all her other usual podcasts on hold while 00:11:24.129 --> 00:11:25.870 she gets up to date. So that's great effort, 00:11:25.950 --> 00:11:29.529 Karen. So we mentioned about the disability column 00:11:29.529 --> 00:11:32.769 in the census. And she also has found relations 00:11:32.769 --> 00:11:36.269 who have been recorded as being identified as 00:11:36.269 --> 00:11:38.549 deaf and dumb, to use the kind of parlance of 00:11:38.549 --> 00:11:41.769 the day, in that disability column on the census. 00:11:42.210 --> 00:11:45.009 And then subsequent research she did, she found 00:11:45.009 --> 00:11:48.570 them getting married in a church. And the church 00:11:48.570 --> 00:11:51.450 was, the marriage ceremony was completely conducted 00:11:51.450 --> 00:11:54.429 in sign language, which is amazing because it 00:11:54.429 --> 00:11:56.470 was like in the mid -Victorian period, which 00:11:56.470 --> 00:12:02.059 I think, yes, fantastic. great to think of something 00:12:02.059 --> 00:12:04.879 you know disability being catered for in such 00:12:04.879 --> 00:12:07.059 a you know in such important part of somebody's 00:12:07.059 --> 00:12:09.360 life all those years ago because sometimes we 00:12:09.360 --> 00:12:11.480 can look back at our ancestors and maybe be a 00:12:11.480 --> 00:12:13.539 little judgmental i think they were quite harsh 00:12:13.539 --> 00:12:17.679 which they were but clearly um for her ancestors 00:12:17.679 --> 00:12:20.200 marriage it was dealt with in a really you know 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:23.279 decent and respectful way and and the marriage 00:12:23.279 --> 00:12:25.720 marriage ceremony was It's actually in sign language. 00:12:25.799 --> 00:12:28.240 The newspaper coverage said how moving it was 00:12:28.240 --> 00:12:30.639 having this silent service. I bet it was. I bet 00:12:30.639 --> 00:12:34.100 it was really moving. Yeah. Yeah. That is good 00:12:34.100 --> 00:12:37.039 forward thinking. Oh, so many things to think 00:12:37.039 --> 00:12:40.279 about. It's lovely. Lovely to hear about as well. 00:12:40.519 --> 00:12:43.320 It is. And it just shows like how many different 00:12:43.320 --> 00:12:46.799 weaving things. So just for two podcast listeners 00:12:46.799 --> 00:12:48.919 there, I have all about some of these research 00:12:48.919 --> 00:12:51.919 notes, the stories they found, the living memories 00:12:51.919 --> 00:12:54.980 from recent times, the coincidences from... centuries 00:12:54.980 --> 00:13:00.080 past insights into disability and marriage ceremonies 00:13:00.080 --> 00:13:05.019 from 150 years ago. That's why we love family 00:13:05.019 --> 00:13:07.720 history because it's just, it's literally, you 00:13:07.720 --> 00:13:09.419 kind of open the lid and you just don't know 00:13:09.419 --> 00:13:10.679 what you're going to discover and think about. 00:13:10.700 --> 00:13:12.059 Yeah, you don't know where it's going to take 00:13:12.059 --> 00:13:14.860 you. I'm very jealous of the Lewis Carroll thing. 00:13:14.940 --> 00:13:16.820 I'm a little bit obsessed with Alice in Wonderland. 00:13:17.059 --> 00:13:22.320 Are you? Well, maybe if you keep digging, you're 00:13:22.320 --> 00:13:25.740 going to find a connection. I'll keep digging 00:13:25.740 --> 00:13:29.820 and I'll keep trying. Maybe. Maybe. You never 00:13:29.820 --> 00:13:38.840 know. So how's your research been going, then? 00:13:40.899 --> 00:13:45.139 It's gone okay -ish. I'm sort of still in a very 00:13:45.139 --> 00:13:47.159 similar position to where I always have been 00:13:47.159 --> 00:13:51.000 in the last couple of weeks, but... I did a bit 00:13:51.000 --> 00:13:55.100 more research on Farsley Airfield for the aeroplane. 00:13:55.600 --> 00:13:59.059 It feels really tangential now. So anyway, quick 00:13:59.059 --> 00:14:02.679 recap. My granddad worked at a factory that created, 00:14:02.799 --> 00:14:06.220 oh, I thought created the aeroplane, the English 00:14:06.220 --> 00:14:09.840 Electric Lightning. And he didn't go to war because 00:14:09.840 --> 00:14:12.620 he was building warplanes. So that's taken me 00:14:12.620 --> 00:14:15.100 to find out that there's actually an airfield 00:14:15.100 --> 00:14:19.000 in Farsley near where this factory was. But actually, 00:14:19.019 --> 00:14:21.519 as it turns out, that airfield had actually shut 00:14:21.519 --> 00:14:23.460 down before this factory was even functioning. 00:14:23.720 --> 00:14:26.639 So it's like it's an interesting bit of local 00:14:26.639 --> 00:14:29.460 history, but it's not actually currently related 00:14:29.460 --> 00:14:32.100 to what I was actually researching. So the airfield 00:14:32.100 --> 00:14:34.759 in Farsley actually only operated between 1916 00:14:34.759 --> 00:14:38.279 and 1917. And actually, there's like a plaque, 00:14:38.340 --> 00:14:41.659 a memorial about it on the school that now occupies 00:14:41.659 --> 00:14:45.179 the space where it used to be. So I'm quite happy 00:14:45.179 --> 00:14:47.940 that I found that out. I couldn't find it on 00:14:47.940 --> 00:14:49.600 any of the maps because there wasn't a map for 00:14:49.600 --> 00:14:52.720 that time period on National Archives Scotland. 00:14:52.879 --> 00:14:54.840 Is that right? National Library of Scotland. 00:14:55.000 --> 00:14:57.000 National Library of Scotland. Yeah. So there 00:14:57.000 --> 00:14:59.100 wasn't actually a map for that time period. But 00:14:59.100 --> 00:15:01.779 I've since found further information out. And 00:15:01.779 --> 00:15:03.279 like I said, there is a plaque at the school. 00:15:03.940 --> 00:15:06.019 So that's cool. Found that out. So it's not really 00:15:06.019 --> 00:15:08.639 quite related to my granddad's airplane stuff. 00:15:09.080 --> 00:15:11.840 But like I say, good bit of interest in local 00:15:11.840 --> 00:15:13.360 history. It's quite cool to think there's an 00:15:13.360 --> 00:15:17.809 airfield nearby. Where did I go from that? After 00:15:17.809 --> 00:15:22.309 that, I have decided to stay in the aeroplane 00:15:22.309 --> 00:15:26.669 zone and look for this Concorde thing that my 00:15:26.669 --> 00:15:28.710 mum's mentioned. So my mum mentioned that her 00:15:28.710 --> 00:15:32.850 uncle, let me just double check this fact. Is 00:15:32.850 --> 00:15:35.769 it her uncle or is it her great uncle? He's my 00:15:35.769 --> 00:15:39.269 great grand uncle. Anyway, my great grand uncle 00:15:39.269 --> 00:15:43.909 allegedly worked on the Concorde. So I thought, 00:15:43.950 --> 00:15:46.769 right, I'm in this aviation mode. I love aeroplanes. 00:15:46.769 --> 00:15:50.429 I'll go research this. This guy was born in 1903 00:15:50.429 --> 00:15:54.789 and died in 1974. So there's not very much stuff 00:15:54.789 --> 00:15:58.549 on Ancestry about him. He's obviously in a couple 00:15:58.549 --> 00:16:03.110 of censuses. He's on the 1939. And then there's 00:16:03.110 --> 00:16:07.350 a few bits and bats about his baptism, a few 00:16:07.350 --> 00:16:11.350 little bits about voting. And the only reference 00:16:11.350 --> 00:16:14.879 I can get... for his occupation, is on the 1939. 00:16:16.039 --> 00:16:18.340 And he's down as a painter and decorator, which 00:16:18.340 --> 00:16:20.480 does not sound like he works on the Concorde. 00:16:21.019 --> 00:16:23.960 So I'm a little bit stuck. It's like, the question 00:16:23.960 --> 00:16:26.799 I guess I've got is, how do I find out more about 00:16:26.799 --> 00:16:29.340 something that's not an ancestry, where I've 00:16:29.340 --> 00:16:31.980 got no other information? I don't have any living 00:16:31.980 --> 00:16:35.000 contacts to give me any more details. I have 00:16:35.000 --> 00:16:37.039 knacked my mum about it, and she said... Because 00:16:37.039 --> 00:16:38.620 I was like, are you sure about this? It just 00:16:38.620 --> 00:16:40.799 says he's a painter and decorator. And she was 00:16:40.799 --> 00:16:42.460 like, oh, yeah, he was a painter and decorator, 00:16:42.539 --> 00:16:44.179 but he fell off a ladder and had to stop doing 00:16:44.179 --> 00:16:47.460 it. And then she said he worked for Avro up in 00:16:47.460 --> 00:16:49.820 Eden. So I guess I need to do a bit of research 00:16:49.820 --> 00:16:52.620 into Avro and what they did. But he's just then 00:16:52.620 --> 00:16:54.620 tying all this to him. I don't know how I'm going 00:16:54.620 --> 00:16:57.899 to do that when there don't appear to be any 00:16:57.899 --> 00:17:02.820 files about him. How do I do that? That's a really 00:17:02.820 --> 00:17:04.980 good question. So I think you're, I think, a 00:17:04.980 --> 00:17:08.819 two -pronged... would be good. One, finding out 00:17:08.819 --> 00:17:12.420 about Avro, finding out what years they were 00:17:12.420 --> 00:17:16.319 active near the area where he was living. And 00:17:16.319 --> 00:17:20.160 you could use electoral rolls to find out where 00:17:20.160 --> 00:17:22.900 he's living. You can track him fairly regularly 00:17:22.900 --> 00:17:27.299 between the 1939 and his death in 1974. Yep, 00:17:27.319 --> 00:17:30.440 that's right. And you might have to go to... 00:17:31.069 --> 00:17:33.690 a local archive to do that but you could do that 00:17:33.690 --> 00:17:35.769 so you can track where is this guy living is 00:17:35.769 --> 00:17:38.230 he living near Avro and then you can find out 00:17:38.230 --> 00:17:40.849 what Avro's up to and then you can do broader 00:17:40.849 --> 00:17:43.829 Avro history to find out are they working on 00:17:43.829 --> 00:17:46.509 the Concord during the period where he's living 00:17:46.509 --> 00:17:49.410 there because then If they're not, you can start 00:17:49.410 --> 00:17:52.109 ruling things out. If they're working on concourses 00:17:52.109 --> 00:17:54.490 in an entirely different part of the country 00:17:54.490 --> 00:17:56.630 to where he's living, this is looking increasingly 00:17:56.630 --> 00:17:59.890 unlikely. So do that on the one hand. And then 00:17:59.890 --> 00:18:02.309 on the other hand, I don't know that you've got 00:18:02.309 --> 00:18:04.470 his death certificate and what people quite often 00:18:04.470 --> 00:18:06.009 do on death certificates because they're not 00:18:06.009 --> 00:18:08.990 recording their own detail about their death. 00:18:09.170 --> 00:18:10.690 You can write your own will, but you don't write 00:18:10.690 --> 00:18:13.529 your own death certificate. So the detail which 00:18:13.529 --> 00:18:16.970 gets put in the occupation. is written down on 00:18:16.970 --> 00:18:21.509 the whole by loyal and loving relations obviously 00:18:21.509 --> 00:18:23.789 it's not always the case is it because some of 00:18:23.789 --> 00:18:25.190 these people have lost touch with their family 00:18:25.190 --> 00:18:28.849 sometimes they're not maybe loved by their family 00:18:28.849 --> 00:18:32.529 but on the whole people are writing down their 00:18:32.529 --> 00:18:35.349 loved ones occupation details and so inevitably 00:18:35.349 --> 00:18:37.029 you're going to write down the heyday aren't 00:18:37.029 --> 00:18:39.609 you you're not going to write down latterly did 00:18:39.609 --> 00:18:42.599 some terrible part -time job that they could 00:18:42.599 --> 00:18:44.440 only get for two hours a week, you're going to 00:18:44.440 --> 00:18:46.380 write down what they did for the lion's share 00:18:46.380 --> 00:18:48.440 of their working life, like that they're in their 00:18:48.440 --> 00:18:51.059 heyday. Yeah. And I think we have people who've 00:18:51.059 --> 00:18:54.420 been promoted by their relations on their death 00:18:54.420 --> 00:18:56.779 certificate. So they never actually did the job, 00:18:56.779 --> 00:18:58.279 which is on their death certificate, but they 00:18:58.279 --> 00:18:59.660 did something in that line of work, but their 00:18:59.660 --> 00:19:02.000 relations have given them like a rosy glow promotion 00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:04.799 just for the death certificate, which is confusing 00:19:04.799 --> 00:19:06.920 and misleading. But anyway, this death certificate, 00:19:07.059 --> 00:19:11.230 I would. hazard a guess that if your great -granduncle 00:19:11.230 --> 00:19:13.890 had worked in some capacity on the Concorde, 00:19:14.049 --> 00:19:19.549 especially with him dying in 1974, then the Concorde 00:19:19.549 --> 00:19:22.049 had such kind of cachet, didn't it? It was fantastic. 00:19:22.690 --> 00:19:24.809 My mum would get kind of almost tears in her 00:19:24.809 --> 00:19:26.349 eyes talking about the Concorde back when I was 00:19:26.349 --> 00:19:28.210 a kid in the 70s. People were so excited about 00:19:28.210 --> 00:19:32.650 it. So I think the loving relations would put 00:19:32.650 --> 00:19:35.869 that on the death certificate. Cool. That'll 00:19:35.869 --> 00:19:38.130 be good to find out. So that's what I would do 00:19:38.130 --> 00:19:40.309 to start with. And then another third prong, 00:19:40.329 --> 00:19:42.470 which kind of goes back to the first prong, is 00:19:42.470 --> 00:19:45.809 see what company publications there might be, 00:19:45.890 --> 00:19:47.569 because it's going to be a big enough company. 00:19:47.569 --> 00:19:52.250 It could have a staff newspaper, slightly more 00:19:52.250 --> 00:19:55.890 informal staff records rather than actual archives 00:19:55.890 --> 00:19:58.130 of staff employment records. I mean, you could 00:19:58.130 --> 00:19:59.829 try and track down those as well, but even just 00:19:59.829 --> 00:20:04.109 the journals saying about the monthly football 00:20:04.109 --> 00:20:06.829 match and all that sort of stuff. It can be helpful, 00:20:07.009 --> 00:20:09.009 which you don't always get, but it's worth looking 00:20:09.009 --> 00:20:11.369 out for, particularly with a big company. And 00:20:11.369 --> 00:20:13.109 the last thing you could try is the newspapers. 00:20:13.930 --> 00:20:16.769 Right. Find my past then. Yeah, find my past. 00:20:16.849 --> 00:20:19.329 And you could be just looking to learn about 00:20:19.329 --> 00:20:22.650 Avro generally. And you could do, once you've 00:20:22.650 --> 00:20:24.450 established more about Avro, you can start weaving 00:20:24.450 --> 00:20:27.710 in his surname and see if you can get any results, 00:20:27.789 --> 00:20:30.589 which may be named that there was a Avro versus 00:20:30.589 --> 00:20:34.049 something else football match. you know yeah 00:20:34.049 --> 00:20:36.049 and it's getting published in the local paper 00:20:36.049 --> 00:20:39.589 and you're like yes so you never know what there's 00:20:39.589 --> 00:20:41.410 david annal always says this you're not necessarily 00:20:42.660 --> 00:20:45.279 In an ideal world, you'd find his employment 00:20:45.279 --> 00:20:47.059 records saying he's employed from here to there 00:20:47.059 --> 00:20:48.980 as a blah, blah, blah. But if you're not going 00:20:48.980 --> 00:20:50.740 to find that, there's other ways you can still 00:20:50.740 --> 00:20:53.339 get clues. So this would be an example of Dave 00:20:53.339 --> 00:20:54.940 saying you might not find the employment record, 00:20:55.039 --> 00:20:56.920 but you can find evidence of employment. So in 00:20:56.920 --> 00:20:58.880 that newspaper with him playing in the football 00:20:58.880 --> 00:21:00.619 match, which we're really hoping you find, but 00:21:00.619 --> 00:21:02.619 we have no idea whether that exists or ever happened. 00:21:02.700 --> 00:21:05.009 But if it did. That would be evidence that he 00:21:05.009 --> 00:21:07.630 was employed by Avro during the time period in 00:21:07.630 --> 00:21:10.089 which Avro was building Concord in the place 00:21:10.089 --> 00:21:11.470 where he lived. And you're like, okay, these 00:21:11.470 --> 00:21:13.369 are really warm leads. This is all adding up. 00:21:13.910 --> 00:21:17.369 You can confidently go down the pub and go, yes, 00:21:17.369 --> 00:21:21.829 he worked on the Concord. Yeah. Okay, cool. In 00:21:21.829 --> 00:21:24.269 some capacity. Yeah, that's some good starting 00:21:24.269 --> 00:21:27.470 points. I know where he lived because I've actually 00:21:27.470 --> 00:21:30.349 been to his house. His wife lived till like 98, 00:21:30.470 --> 00:21:32.349 so I actually saw her quite a bit as a child. 00:21:33.439 --> 00:21:35.880 Again, nobody told me the aeroplane stories until 00:21:35.880 --> 00:21:38.480 I didn't have the opportunity to talk to her 00:21:38.480 --> 00:21:40.140 about it. And obviously as a kid, I probably 00:21:40.140 --> 00:21:43.119 wouldn't have talked to her about it. But this 00:21:43.119 --> 00:21:45.319 is my lesson for everybody. Go talk to your relatives. 00:21:46.559 --> 00:21:50.460 Yeah. Okay, I'll explore that further. Yeah, 00:21:50.460 --> 00:21:52.960 that'd be really fun. And it's one of those things 00:21:52.960 --> 00:21:54.920 like this, I think probably definitely happens 00:21:54.920 --> 00:21:57.339 to me. And I'm sure it happens to everyone else. 00:21:57.519 --> 00:22:00.359 Sometimes when you do the things that I've told 00:22:00.359 --> 00:22:03.269 you, it's all very well in. theory to go so I've 00:22:03.269 --> 00:22:05.670 given you a set of theoretical steps to try haven't 00:22:05.670 --> 00:22:08.089 I sometimes they work sometimes they don't work 00:22:08.089 --> 00:22:10.849 but in the course of trying them out you will 00:22:10.849 --> 00:22:13.789 definitely become better at doing family history 00:22:13.789 --> 00:22:17.730 when we reconvene next week you'll say i tried 00:22:17.730 --> 00:22:19.410 out this and i tried out that this didn't work 00:22:19.410 --> 00:22:21.109 because and that didn't work because this was 00:22:21.109 --> 00:22:22.890 available and that wasn't available and all that 00:22:22.890 --> 00:22:25.410 goes into your little toolbox of information 00:22:25.410 --> 00:22:27.309 about doing family history research so it's never 00:22:27.309 --> 00:22:29.109 a waste of time even if you don't get the answers 00:22:29.109 --> 00:22:30.589 as well i'm trying to say this to encourage you 00:22:30.589 --> 00:22:34.390 from the start it's a good research experience 00:22:34.390 --> 00:22:37.529 isn't it it definitely is yeah pushes my boundaries 00:22:37.529 --> 00:22:40.970 a bit and sometimes you might hit a brick wall 00:22:40.970 --> 00:22:42.809 literally and you can't go any further but at 00:22:42.809 --> 00:22:46.420 least you've tried so Because obviously it's 00:22:46.420 --> 00:22:48.759 not vital for me to find this one out and it's 00:22:48.759 --> 00:22:51.759 not on my direct line, but it's the story that 00:22:51.759 --> 00:22:54.759 interests me more than necessarily being useful 00:22:54.759 --> 00:22:59.079 for my travelling back in time. Do you know, 00:22:59.119 --> 00:23:01.779 I'm going to have to do a plug for two things 00:23:01.779 --> 00:23:03.900 because they're both entirely useful and totally 00:23:03.900 --> 00:23:06.380 on topic to what you've been talking about. So 00:23:06.380 --> 00:23:09.500 one of them, in August, at the beginning of August, 00:23:09.519 --> 00:23:12.630 on the 4th of August, then... carol mcculloch 00:23:12.630 --> 00:23:15.309 is doing a four -week course and it's how to 00:23:15.309 --> 00:23:19.170 use ai to help work on your family history brick 00:23:19.170 --> 00:23:22.950 walls and the thing about ai obviously people 00:23:22.950 --> 00:23:25.109 some people love it some people hate it some 00:23:25.109 --> 00:23:27.609 people are ambivalent but when you're using it 00:23:27.609 --> 00:23:31.190 for brick walls then you're not necessarily what 00:23:31.190 --> 00:23:32.630 you're doing is you're using it as a research 00:23:32.630 --> 00:23:35.450 partner and so you're using it to help brainstorm 00:23:35.450 --> 00:23:37.849 a problem so your problem is you're trying to 00:23:37.849 --> 00:23:39.559 ascertain whether your great -granddad could 00:23:39.559 --> 00:23:41.619 work for the Concorde. So even just putting that 00:23:41.619 --> 00:23:43.839 in and the details that you do have about him, 00:23:43.900 --> 00:23:45.500 obviously he's not a living person, so you can 00:23:45.500 --> 00:23:49.220 safely share that information in AI. AI will 00:23:49.220 --> 00:23:51.880 come up with a really cool research plan for 00:23:51.880 --> 00:23:55.980 you. And I've tried this a few times, well, pretty 00:23:55.980 --> 00:23:58.299 much every time. It'll come up with record collections 00:23:58.299 --> 00:24:01.279 or ideas of research steps that I have never, 00:24:01.339 --> 00:24:03.759 ever thought of. And I very begrudgingly think, 00:24:03.880 --> 00:24:06.779 okay, that was useful, thank you. But it is useful, 00:24:06.920 --> 00:24:10.309 yeah? Carol's course is going to be super helpful 00:24:10.309 --> 00:24:12.829 and that could really help you work on complex 00:24:12.829 --> 00:24:15.150 problems where you're feeling like you may be 00:24:15.150 --> 00:24:17.190 running into the sand with what to do or even 00:24:17.190 --> 00:24:19.349 if you just haven't got a clue where to start 00:24:19.349 --> 00:24:21.369 because a brick wall if you don't know what to 00:24:21.369 --> 00:24:24.049 do next and any of us whatever level we are with 00:24:24.049 --> 00:24:26.089 our family history if you don't know what to 00:24:26.089 --> 00:24:28.049 do next it feels like a brick wall doesn't it 00:24:28.049 --> 00:24:31.069 because you're pumped yeah so that's what kind 00:24:31.069 --> 00:24:32.470 of defines a brick wall is that you don't know 00:24:32.470 --> 00:24:34.819 what your next step needs to be. And then the 00:24:34.819 --> 00:24:37.019 other thing to plug is you're talking about stories. 00:24:37.039 --> 00:24:39.940 So in September, then Jada Helstein is doing 00:24:39.940 --> 00:24:43.059 a four -week course to help us all record our 00:24:43.059 --> 00:24:45.839 own life stories, to not miss out that chapter. 00:24:45.960 --> 00:24:48.380 And I guess inevitably, our life stories includes 00:24:48.380 --> 00:24:52.460 the life stories of the people who we have lived 00:24:52.460 --> 00:24:54.039 with and remember. So for instance, our parents, 00:24:54.079 --> 00:24:56.039 siblings, aunties and uncles, doesn't it? They 00:24:56.039 --> 00:24:59.809 massively... impact our life so you're going 00:24:59.809 --> 00:25:02.450 to weave in bits of that anyway so with yeah 00:25:02.450 --> 00:25:03.910 this course this is very very exciting this one 00:25:03.910 --> 00:25:05.769 i'm mentioning now as well is we've built this 00:25:05.769 --> 00:25:07.930 beautiful little time capsule so it's a little 00:25:07.930 --> 00:25:09.529 cardboard box and it's got all sorts of things 00:25:09.529 --> 00:25:12.029 in there to help you gather little treasures 00:25:12.029 --> 00:25:15.390 and clues and make a roadmap to your precious 00:25:15.390 --> 00:25:16.990 things that you have around your house photo 00:25:16.990 --> 00:25:19.390 albums favorite books favorite records whatever 00:25:19.390 --> 00:25:21.890 it is and you want to say why they matter to 00:25:21.890 --> 00:25:23.589 you what they mean to you why they're precious 00:25:23.589 --> 00:25:26.660 and potentially who you'd like have these things 00:25:26.660 --> 00:25:29.559 after you because you know you'll have maybe 00:25:29.559 --> 00:25:32.240 a child who we particularly bond with on one 00:25:32.240 --> 00:25:34.200 thing whether it's a love of sewing or a love 00:25:34.200 --> 00:25:36.299 of a particular band or whatever it is and so 00:25:36.299 --> 00:25:38.779 they'd be the natural person to bequeath your 00:25:38.779 --> 00:25:40.920 sewing things or your record collection wouldn't 00:25:40.920 --> 00:25:43.220 they so anyways all of this sort of stuff so 00:25:43.220 --> 00:25:46.240 it's a really it's going to be quite a poignant 00:25:46.240 --> 00:25:50.690 course but it's also going to be I've done it 00:25:50.690 --> 00:25:53.670 with Jana before. We did it as a test to see 00:25:53.670 --> 00:25:55.950 whether it works. It does work. So I did cry. 00:25:56.109 --> 00:25:58.470 I did laugh. I did learn masses about myself. 00:25:59.289 --> 00:26:02.849 I cannot encourage people strongly enough to 00:26:02.849 --> 00:26:07.309 do it. It's just like such a worthwhile activity 00:26:07.309 --> 00:26:11.289 that you won't regret. Lovely. Yeah. Bit of self 00:26:11.289 --> 00:26:13.690 -reflection in there as well. It is because it 00:26:13.690 --> 00:26:15.569 helps us lead better lives, doesn't it? We just 00:26:15.569 --> 00:26:19.000 stop hurtling around. Just focus on what's really, 00:26:19.099 --> 00:26:22.059 really important and try and do that. That sounds 00:26:22.059 --> 00:26:32.019 good. Really good, yes. So how's your family 00:26:32.019 --> 00:26:34.859 history going then? Well, my family history is 00:26:34.859 --> 00:26:37.039 going quite badly. I have been all about the 00:26:37.039 --> 00:26:41.140 work this week because I've been trying to get 00:26:41.140 --> 00:26:45.380 organised before I go on holiday and... I have 00:26:45.380 --> 00:26:46.960 been having a really fun time with work, I have 00:26:46.960 --> 00:26:50.079 to say, but it has been busy. So Karen recently 00:26:50.079 --> 00:26:53.420 did a course and it was about the kind of main 00:26:53.420 --> 00:26:55.980 paying for websites. And on there, she mentioned 00:26:55.980 --> 00:26:58.519 about the Find My Past workspaces. And I was 00:26:58.519 --> 00:27:01.220 like, why have I not been using these? And I 00:27:01.220 --> 00:27:02.759 think I did start using them when they first 00:27:02.759 --> 00:27:04.279 brought them out and then I forgot about them. 00:27:04.660 --> 00:27:06.920 Anyway, so on the workspaces, let's say this 00:27:06.920 --> 00:27:08.859 would be ideal for you, Nathan, going to Find 00:27:08.859 --> 00:27:10.920 My Past, you're searching in there to get all 00:27:10.920 --> 00:27:13.180 this Avro information for your great granduncle. 00:27:13.740 --> 00:27:15.240 and you're not quite sure what to do with it 00:27:15.240 --> 00:27:17.619 yet, then you can just make clips of the relevant 00:27:17.619 --> 00:27:20.259 bits of newspapers, create a workspace, which 00:27:20.259 --> 00:27:22.359 is just literally like a little, it looks like, 00:27:22.359 --> 00:27:24.160 I guess, like a little board or a folder. And 00:27:24.160 --> 00:27:26.380 you can just save everything in there so that, 00:27:26.380 --> 00:27:28.200 you know, when you're always torn between that 00:27:28.200 --> 00:27:31.099 thing, like got to record it now, in the flow, 00:27:31.160 --> 00:27:32.980 don't want to stop what I'm doing. And it solves 00:27:32.980 --> 00:27:34.480 that problem because it means really quickly. 00:27:34.559 --> 00:27:36.839 It says on the screen, like clip and save, all 00:27:36.839 --> 00:27:38.579 those sort of words. You just click what you 00:27:38.579 --> 00:27:40.799 want, chuck it in the folder. So you can do all 00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:44.119 your kind of mad gathering of. that you don't 00:27:44.119 --> 00:27:46.480 possibly want to overlook or lose or not find 00:27:46.480 --> 00:27:48.339 again, shuffle them in this folder and you've 00:27:48.339 --> 00:27:50.900 got them really handy. That's good. So you can 00:27:50.900 --> 00:27:53.359 get all your potential contenders in one place 00:27:53.359 --> 00:27:55.839 and then whittle them down and cross -reference. 00:27:56.440 --> 00:27:59.200 Definitely. Definitely. And then otherwise, I've 00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:02.339 just been working on the magazine because what 00:28:02.339 --> 00:28:03.980 does a podcast, we do a lovely magazine, don't 00:28:03.980 --> 00:28:09.640 we? We do. Yes. And that's been quite a read 00:28:09.640 --> 00:28:13.690 this month. Yeah? Like, it's... loads of really 00:28:13.690 --> 00:28:17.769 good skills articles and tools like Donna Rutherford 00:28:17.769 --> 00:28:21.069 she's done this amazing guide to DNA tools which 00:28:21.069 --> 00:28:22.890 is just worth buying the magazine just to get 00:28:22.890 --> 00:28:24.869 that if you think right I want to get cracking 00:28:24.869 --> 00:28:28.390 with using DNA tools and then Karen Cummings 00:28:28.390 --> 00:28:31.230 has got a really good article which is covering 00:28:31.230 --> 00:28:33.670 the steps that you need to do to kind of keep 00:28:33.670 --> 00:28:36.650 organized and keep confident that you're doing 00:28:36.650 --> 00:28:38.869 it right so if you just read her article did 00:28:38.869 --> 00:28:41.809 what she said You will be doing it right. And 00:28:41.809 --> 00:28:45.009 then also some really tough things. So there's 00:28:45.009 --> 00:28:48.369 an article by a genealogist called Nicola Waterfall, 00:28:48.450 --> 00:28:52.789 and it's about a baby who suffers an injury in 00:28:52.789 --> 00:28:55.089 the care, whilst in the care of definitely its 00:28:55.089 --> 00:28:57.670 mother, maybe its parents. Nothing seems to get 00:28:57.670 --> 00:29:00.109 done about it at the time, which with a modern 00:29:00.109 --> 00:29:03.589 pair of eyes feels very unsettling, to say the 00:29:03.589 --> 00:29:08.289 least. And then where it gets even more... troubling 00:29:08.289 --> 00:29:11.809 is the baby gets or as a little child gets put 00:29:11.809 --> 00:29:13.930 into the care of the local poor law unions and 00:29:13.930 --> 00:29:16.210 then the poor law unions when the baby's dad 00:29:16.210 --> 00:29:18.970 dies the poor two different poor laws unions 00:29:18.970 --> 00:29:21.130 have a battle like i don't want to pay for the 00:29:21.130 --> 00:29:22.670 baby or child i don't want to pay for it and 00:29:22.670 --> 00:29:25.710 this goes on and on for years which is just heartbreaking 00:29:25.710 --> 00:29:29.009 that everyone is trying not to care for this 00:29:29.009 --> 00:29:33.029 child yeah so distressing we had to put a content 00:29:33.029 --> 00:29:35.059 warning on it Because I feel like I don't want 00:29:35.059 --> 00:29:37.519 someone just to be having a lovely read, bumbling 00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:39.720 through family tree with a cup of coffee. And 00:29:39.720 --> 00:29:41.400 then this sort of happens in family history, 00:29:41.480 --> 00:29:43.519 doesn't it? Sometimes you come across things 00:29:43.519 --> 00:29:46.359 that you have no idea are going to happen next. 00:29:46.559 --> 00:29:49.059 And it's, I kind of feel like when you do know 00:29:49.059 --> 00:29:50.559 it's going to happen next, you need to warn people 00:29:50.559 --> 00:29:52.799 it's happening. So we put a warning on it, but 00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:56.500 it's really insightful article. Yeah. Wow. That 00:29:56.500 --> 00:30:00.079 sounds quite harrowing. I had something similar. 00:30:00.140 --> 00:30:02.900 Again, looking at this, this William Allen. it's 00:30:02.900 --> 00:30:04.380 not as dramatic as what you're saying but it 00:30:04.380 --> 00:30:06.720 is that thing where you suddenly get emotionally 00:30:06.720 --> 00:30:10.319 involved and it's like this William Allen was 00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:13.039 the child of my favorite George Horatio Nelson 00:30:13.039 --> 00:30:17.940 and Maggie Nelson and in the 1911 census he's 00:30:17.940 --> 00:30:20.180 there with George but George is a widow and he's 00:30:20.180 --> 00:30:22.220 only eight years old and instantly I'm just like 00:30:22.220 --> 00:30:25.069 oh my god this is heartbreaking it's And I knew 00:30:25.069 --> 00:30:27.150 about this, but you forget, and then you're doing 00:30:27.150 --> 00:30:28.809 your research. And then as soon as I saw that 00:30:28.809 --> 00:30:30.710 census, I was like, oh, my God, this poor kid. 00:30:30.750 --> 00:30:32.329 And you just get lost in that sort of emotion, 00:30:32.549 --> 00:30:37.849 don't you? Yeah. You definitely do. What's funny 00:30:37.849 --> 00:30:39.789 is because people always say, oh, family history 00:30:39.789 --> 00:30:41.910 isn't just names and dates and things like that. 00:30:42.029 --> 00:30:43.670 Whereas when you look at the census document, 00:30:43.809 --> 00:30:48.569 if you're not looking at your family. Or let's 00:30:48.569 --> 00:30:50.650 say if you just look at the facts and you go, 00:30:50.710 --> 00:30:53.430 there's George and he's whatever occupation and 00:30:53.430 --> 00:30:56.589 he's this age and he's a male and he's married 00:30:56.589 --> 00:30:59.029 or widowed and he was born here. Then you read 00:30:59.029 --> 00:31:02.829 the next line and you can read it and just gather 00:31:02.829 --> 00:31:07.150 the data. Or you can stop and go, wait, he said 00:31:07.150 --> 00:31:09.990 George was a widow. Oh, my God. And there he 00:31:09.990 --> 00:31:13.529 is with five little kids. And suddenly you only 00:31:13.529 --> 00:31:17.059 have to stop yourself. for literally one second 00:31:17.059 --> 00:31:19.920 and not just to treat it as a fact. And suddenly 00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:24.420 you're into the story, aren't you? Yeah. It's 00:31:24.420 --> 00:31:27.960 very involving. But that's why we like it as 00:31:27.960 --> 00:31:31.259 well. It is. I'm just really irritated the fact 00:31:31.259 --> 00:31:33.920 that I actually, this sounds daft, but the fact 00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:35.839 that I actually knew my Auntie Mildred, who was 00:31:35.839 --> 00:31:39.619 my great -grand -auntie, I was a stone's throw 00:31:39.619 --> 00:31:43.250 away from knowing things about... George Horatio 00:31:43.250 --> 00:31:46.730 Nelson because she was married to his son only 00:31:46.730 --> 00:31:48.589 obviously years ago I didn't know that nor did 00:31:48.589 --> 00:31:51.250 I care and now it's like oh my god I could have 00:31:51.250 --> 00:31:54.769 actually found like texture and details and stories 00:31:54.769 --> 00:31:58.450 and now I'm relying on two generations down to 00:31:58.450 --> 00:32:00.910 tell me stuff like she doesn't have a clue about. 00:32:02.230 --> 00:32:06.269 We've got to just be not boring but we've got 00:32:06.269 --> 00:32:08.450 to have the confidence just to keep banging on 00:32:08.450 --> 00:32:12.880 about things to anyone younger like My children 00:32:12.880 --> 00:32:15.200 or grandchildren or nieces or nephews, all of 00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:17.220 them cousins who are younger than us, because 00:32:17.220 --> 00:32:22.160 like I've got grandchildren, but my great granny 00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:25.140 died when I was 22. So I can tell them heaps 00:32:25.140 --> 00:32:27.539 about their three times great granny. It's like 00:32:27.539 --> 00:32:30.720 masses. And obviously she was an old lady when 00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:32.980 I was born. I never knew her other than being 00:32:32.980 --> 00:32:36.500 a really old lady. It's still cool, though. And 00:32:36.500 --> 00:32:39.160 I could actually tell them stories which she 00:32:39.160 --> 00:32:42.079 told me about her grandparents. So suddenly it's 00:32:42.079 --> 00:32:44.480 like they're five times great grandparents. Yeah, 00:32:44.519 --> 00:32:47.160 that's brilliant. Crazy, though, isn't it? Travelling 00:32:47.160 --> 00:32:50.920 through time. Yes. Yes. So talk to your relatives, 00:32:51.039 --> 00:32:54.500 people. Yes. Talk to your relatives. Record things. 00:32:55.240 --> 00:32:58.240 Don't worry about it being perfect. Perfect is 00:32:58.240 --> 00:33:03.460 such a pain. Yeah. I'm very against perfect because 00:33:03.460 --> 00:33:06.230 you think. Oh, I can't write it well enough. 00:33:06.289 --> 00:33:08.990 I can't capture their voice. Oh, I'm going to 00:33:08.990 --> 00:33:10.650 get a new phone soon. I'll make those recordings 00:33:10.650 --> 00:33:14.769 when I've got a new phone. Oh, all these reasons. 00:33:15.009 --> 00:33:18.950 And then we don't do it. Or you don't want to 00:33:18.950 --> 00:33:22.769 butt in or whatever. Or we go, I'm going to record 00:33:22.769 --> 00:33:24.450 it. It's not going to be perfect. It's on my 00:33:24.450 --> 00:33:27.109 old phone. Or I'm not very good at writing, but 00:33:27.109 --> 00:33:28.910 I'm going to jot down to the best of my ability 00:33:28.910 --> 00:33:32.990 what I can do. And it will be precious. You won't 00:33:32.990 --> 00:33:35.849 have any regrets about doing it. no no regrets 00:33:35.849 --> 00:33:39.609 at all yes so I'm going on a family holiday soon 00:33:39.609 --> 00:33:41.910 and I have been thinking that I definitely want 00:33:41.910 --> 00:33:44.470 to do this and I kind of think I want to do all 00:33:44.470 --> 00:33:47.309 generations not just like obviously the older 00:33:47.309 --> 00:33:49.710 generations are the natural ones to talk to for 00:33:49.710 --> 00:33:51.289 lots of reasons partly because they know things 00:33:51.289 --> 00:33:53.670 way back when that we don't know about so we 00:33:53.670 --> 00:33:57.819 do want to catch a bear But then also just capturing 00:33:57.819 --> 00:34:00.019 really young people's memories is cool. When 00:34:00.019 --> 00:34:01.960 my kids were little, when they were four and 00:34:01.960 --> 00:34:03.779 five, I did their first family history interview. 00:34:03.900 --> 00:34:08.559 And it's cool. Yeah. What did you do then? Well, 00:34:08.920 --> 00:34:13.500 I'd say I just bought a book. So the Society 00:34:13.500 --> 00:34:16.400 of Geologists used to run this show at the Royal 00:34:16.400 --> 00:34:20.260 Horticultural Society in London. So I went there 00:34:20.260 --> 00:34:22.619 and there was a bookstore and they had some books. 00:34:23.119 --> 00:34:24.980 which was basically to help you interview your 00:34:24.980 --> 00:34:28.599 kid, get them to do family history. But it would 00:34:28.599 --> 00:34:30.960 have all sorts of lovely questions in, like what's 00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:32.260 your favourite subject, what's your favourite 00:34:32.260 --> 00:34:35.820 colour, all little things, get them to say things 00:34:35.820 --> 00:34:38.000 about their relations, who do they know, what 00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:40.500 are they called, everything else. So my kids 00:34:40.500 --> 00:34:42.539 filled it in with their great big baby handwriting, 00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:45.179 and you know that their favourite thing is sausage 00:34:45.179 --> 00:34:46.800 and their favourite subject is maths, which is 00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:49.159 kind of silly, but it's kind of adorable. Already 00:34:49.159 --> 00:34:52.039 it's a quarter of a century old now, so it's 00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:54.539 precious. Yeah, that's brilliant. One of my friends 00:34:54.539 --> 00:34:57.460 does something similar. He asks his kids every 00:34:57.460 --> 00:35:00.260 single year the same question. Oh, yeah. And 00:35:00.260 --> 00:35:02.300 then posts the answer. So obviously as they grow 00:35:02.300 --> 00:35:04.199 older, I can't remember what the question is, 00:35:04.219 --> 00:35:06.780 unfortunately, but the answers change because 00:35:06.780 --> 00:35:08.739 obviously you're seeing the education and them 00:35:08.739 --> 00:35:10.619 learning and then getting into life a bit more. 00:35:10.760 --> 00:35:13.360 So it evolves with them a bit. So it shows you 00:35:13.360 --> 00:35:15.579 how their thinking has changed, which is quite 00:35:15.579 --> 00:35:17.300 cool. I didn't do it with my kids, or I should 00:35:17.300 --> 00:35:21.440 have done. It's really good for that, for capturing 00:35:21.440 --> 00:35:23.260 time capsule things, isn't it? Like you see people 00:35:23.260 --> 00:35:26.059 who take a photo of their kids in the same position 00:35:26.059 --> 00:35:30.260 every year. Yeah. And if you do it for two or 00:35:30.260 --> 00:35:32.119 three years, it's nice. And once you've done 00:35:32.119 --> 00:35:34.860 it for 18 years, it's really precious. Yeah. 00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:38.500 It's that consistency factor. So I need to think 00:35:38.500 --> 00:35:41.159 of a cool question then that I can ask everybody 00:35:41.159 --> 00:35:44.099 on holiday and record all of their things. Yeah, 00:35:44.159 --> 00:35:47.210 definitely. And get a range of... Have a peek 00:35:47.210 --> 00:35:50.150 at some views and see how they differ. I was 00:35:50.150 --> 00:35:51.469 talking to one of my daughters recently and I 00:35:51.469 --> 00:35:53.409 read this word, which apologies if I pronounced 00:35:53.409 --> 00:35:55.309 it wrong. And it's, I think I did tell you about 00:35:55.309 --> 00:35:57.510 this, the ikigai thing. So it's a Japanese word. 00:35:57.550 --> 00:36:01.389 It's I -K -I -G -A -I. And it means basically 00:36:01.389 --> 00:36:03.369 your reason for being. What's the thing that 00:36:03.369 --> 00:36:05.309 gets you out of bed in the morning that makes 00:36:05.309 --> 00:36:07.369 you... Whatever the weather, whatever you're 00:36:07.369 --> 00:36:09.469 feeling like, whatever else you've got to do 00:36:09.469 --> 00:36:11.329 that day. What's the thing where you, which if 00:36:11.329 --> 00:36:14.269 you get to do this thing, you feel really, really 00:36:14.269 --> 00:36:17.010 happy. And so we were just, my daughter and I 00:36:17.010 --> 00:36:18.929 were wandering along and her two little kids 00:36:18.929 --> 00:36:20.610 who are three and one were in the pushchair. 00:36:20.949 --> 00:36:23.309 And we were just chatting about what our icky 00:36:23.309 --> 00:36:25.289 guy thing was. And then the little three -year 00:36:25.289 --> 00:36:27.550 -old piped up, because you know how kids earwiggy 00:36:27.550 --> 00:36:29.750 when you don't know. And he goes, mine's painting. 00:36:30.110 --> 00:36:32.170 And I was like, oh, brilliant. So I've got to, 00:36:32.170 --> 00:36:34.239 maybe that could be my question. What gets you 00:36:34.239 --> 00:36:35.980 out of bed in the morning? Yeah, because we would 00:36:35.980 --> 00:36:38.159 love to know that about our ancestors. Imagine 00:36:38.159 --> 00:36:41.460 if you knew all your ancestors, icky guy. Yeah, 00:36:41.559 --> 00:36:43.699 and that is timeless as well because there is 00:36:43.699 --> 00:36:45.980 something for everyone there. There's a constant 00:36:45.980 --> 00:36:48.840 context, isn't there, for everybody? Yes, yes. 00:36:49.119 --> 00:36:51.480 That's cool. It's very, very cool, isn't it? 00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:55.820 I had a family history win the other day. It's 00:36:55.820 --> 00:36:57.800 a rubbish one, but I still kind of did a little 00:36:57.800 --> 00:37:01.840 mini fist bump. My eldest son texted me and he 00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:04.539 was like... what's the name of that aeroplane 00:37:04.539 --> 00:37:06.880 that your granddad used to work on? So I text 00:37:06.880 --> 00:37:09.000 him the answer and he just went, cool, thanks. 00:37:09.420 --> 00:37:12.260 But the fact that he'd actually listened to my 00:37:12.260 --> 00:37:16.400 story of me telling him about this, for me, was 00:37:16.400 --> 00:37:18.119 the big win. Because you're like, does he actually 00:37:18.119 --> 00:37:20.019 ever listen to me? Does he take in anything I 00:37:20.019 --> 00:37:22.320 ever say? And yeah, he texted me and asked me 00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:23.719 about it, so I was thrilled that he'd actually 00:37:23.719 --> 00:37:26.619 heard. Absolutely. It is literally, it's brought 00:37:26.619 --> 00:37:29.500 tears to my eyes. That is the best feeling when 00:37:29.500 --> 00:37:31.500 somebody actually, especially when there's somebody 00:37:31.500 --> 00:37:34.420 younger than you in your family, asks you about 00:37:34.420 --> 00:37:37.719 it. You're just like, yes. I just love it. I 00:37:37.719 --> 00:37:40.219 literally, I'm just like, perfect. Couldn't think 00:37:40.219 --> 00:37:42.780 of anything better. Yeah. I mean, it wasn't an 00:37:42.780 --> 00:37:45.280 involved conversation after. No. Yeah. But at 00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:48.539 least it clocked something about it. Yes. Yeah. 00:37:48.639 --> 00:37:51.559 Micas do that. Not very often. Maybe once or 00:37:51.559 --> 00:37:53.340 twice a year, they'll just ask for something. 00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:55.530 They'll say. Can you send over all the pictures 00:37:55.530 --> 00:37:58.750 of the baby girls born in the 1920s? Or can you 00:37:58.750 --> 00:38:00.809 send over pictures of... It's not really the 00:38:00.809 --> 00:38:02.809 pictures, actually. Pictures of all the people 00:38:02.809 --> 00:38:06.530 in the military or the dogs or whatever. Yeah. 00:38:06.630 --> 00:38:08.829 And I always feel delighted. And I drop whatever 00:38:08.829 --> 00:38:11.010 I'm doing. I just immediately stop what I'm doing 00:38:11.010 --> 00:38:13.869 and do it without... Because I don't want to 00:38:13.869 --> 00:38:18.389 miss the moment. No. I'm guilty of being the 00:38:18.389 --> 00:38:21.219 other way sometimes, I have to say. Obviously, 00:38:21.219 --> 00:38:23.280 I'm very into this now. I'm doing my family history 00:38:23.280 --> 00:38:24.980 research. I'm getting into the texture a bit 00:38:24.980 --> 00:38:27.719 more. But I know if I ask my mum a question, 00:38:27.860 --> 00:38:31.380 there's the potential of her just getting the 00:38:31.380 --> 00:38:34.480 laser focus on and just going off on one and 00:38:34.480 --> 00:38:37.320 giving me too much. So sometimes I restrain myself 00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:39.199 from actually asking the questions, which is 00:38:39.199 --> 00:38:41.820 a bit bad, a bit naughty. But I guess that's 00:38:41.820 --> 00:38:43.559 all about timing, isn't it? And making sure I've 00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:46.300 got the right time in my... I can't just casually 00:38:46.300 --> 00:38:47.780 walk past and say, I'm just researching this. 00:38:47.880 --> 00:38:49.760 Because if I say that to her, she'll be like, 00:38:49.820 --> 00:38:52.659 I don't have time to talk to you right now. Holding 00:38:52.659 --> 00:38:58.079 those thoughts. Yes. I think that's a really 00:38:58.079 --> 00:38:59.760 important thing you've just said there because 00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:02.360 it completely contradicts what we said a few 00:39:02.360 --> 00:39:05.000 minutes ago. And the thing is, none of us know 00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:07.219 what's going to happen next. We all kind of think, 00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:10.800 I'm going to do it tomorrow. Yeah. It's more 00:39:10.800 --> 00:39:12.760 that thing of where I'm in the moment of doing 00:39:12.760 --> 00:39:15.559 something. or I'd have 20 other things to do 00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:18.159 it is I am guilty of this but yeah you do need 00:39:18.159 --> 00:39:20.079 to factor some time to say yes I will sit down 00:39:20.079 --> 00:39:22.480 but it's that thing where my mum is delighted 00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:24.360 that I'm doing it because she's obviously got 00:39:24.360 --> 00:39:26.480 an interest in it and she will want to sit down 00:39:26.480 --> 00:39:29.440 and just go through it all but then she will 00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:32.159 take me off on massive tangents as well um and 00:39:32.159 --> 00:39:34.659 if I'm trying to be focused on that one particular 00:39:34.659 --> 00:39:37.559 thing I can't take that information in yes dedicated 00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:40.960 time to actually talk to her is a good idea I 00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:44.550 think it really is and it's It's partly none 00:39:44.550 --> 00:39:46.090 of us know what's going to happen next. Maybe 00:39:46.090 --> 00:39:47.530 I don't try to sound depressing, but we literally 00:39:47.530 --> 00:39:49.849 don't know what's going to happen next. But partly 00:39:49.849 --> 00:39:53.449 it's good to record things while people remember 00:39:53.449 --> 00:39:56.050 things, because all of us will have the thing 00:39:56.050 --> 00:39:57.789 that you have some of the stories which you kind 00:39:57.789 --> 00:40:00.030 of can trot out and they'll almost be verbatim. 00:40:00.050 --> 00:40:01.750 This happened and that happened. It's like the 00:40:01.750 --> 00:40:03.789 world told family stories. But there are other 00:40:03.789 --> 00:40:06.030 aspects of our memories that let's say you've. 00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:07.800 said something to your mum and it's triggered 00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:10.380 a memory and she's recalled it. But then there's 00:40:10.380 --> 00:40:12.579 every possibility that you go, hold that thought, 00:40:12.639 --> 00:40:14.860 mum, and you'll come back to her even 10 minutes 00:40:14.860 --> 00:40:16.480 later and she'll go, I can't remember now. And 00:40:16.480 --> 00:40:18.179 she's not trying to be annoying, but we all have 00:40:18.179 --> 00:40:20.000 the thing where something completely slips your 00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:24.280 mind and that door's shut again until it accidentally 00:40:24.280 --> 00:40:27.880 gets opened again. So partly our memories could 00:40:27.880 --> 00:40:30.179 be very sketchy. Partly also, if you ask somebody 00:40:30.179 --> 00:40:32.719 about something several times. There's every 00:40:32.719 --> 00:40:34.579 chance, unless they do have the tried and trusted 00:40:34.579 --> 00:40:37.059 story that they keep on whapping out, that you're 00:40:37.059 --> 00:40:39.280 going to find different aspects to that story, 00:40:39.380 --> 00:40:42.159 which all are going to add, as you always say, 00:40:42.179 --> 00:40:45.400 context and richness and all that stuff. So having 00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:47.059 the same conversation lots of times isn't even 00:40:47.059 --> 00:40:49.199 a bad thing. That's a really valuable thing if 00:40:49.199 --> 00:40:51.659 you've got that luxury of contact and time and 00:40:51.659 --> 00:40:54.960 stuff like that. And then also, I've definitely 00:40:54.960 --> 00:40:58.639 found this with relationships. It's kind of easier 00:40:58.639 --> 00:41:00.860 to ask them when they're hale and hearty because 00:41:00.860 --> 00:41:04.179 once they start getting ill, I find the subtext 00:41:04.179 --> 00:41:06.500 of like, you haven't got long, I find that really 00:41:06.500 --> 00:41:12.280 stressful and I don't like to think about it 00:41:12.280 --> 00:41:13.860 and I don't want to make them think I'm thinking 00:41:13.860 --> 00:41:16.699 about it. And so suddenly I find it really hard 00:41:16.699 --> 00:41:21.260 to ask them the questions and the people so far 00:41:21.260 --> 00:41:23.619 in my life haven't been my immediate close family. 00:41:24.179 --> 00:41:27.300 Yeah. both my parents actually are alive and 00:41:27.300 --> 00:41:29.760 well so I've always been I've kind of felt like 00:41:29.760 --> 00:41:32.380 that's not really my place to ask there's always 00:41:32.380 --> 00:41:35.159 been like closer people who should ask or could 00:41:35.159 --> 00:41:37.659 ask so it's really hard once you get to that 00:41:37.659 --> 00:41:40.639 kind of section of people's life I think I find 00:41:40.639 --> 00:41:44.139 it hard but it's it's even more important and 00:41:44.139 --> 00:41:47.000 then the last bit is of clearly like we don't 00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:50.340 all have the luxury our memory doesn't necessarily 00:41:50.340 --> 00:41:52.780 stay until the end of our lifespan does it like 00:41:52.780 --> 00:41:55.449 that can leave us before we get to the end of 00:41:55.449 --> 00:41:58.989 our lifespan so it's even more important and 00:41:58.989 --> 00:42:01.070 precious how can i do another plug nathan because 00:42:01.070 --> 00:42:02.949 we're all about being useful it's not even i'm 00:42:02.949 --> 00:42:04.570 not trying to do plugs but we're genuinely doing 00:42:04.570 --> 00:42:08.110 such useful stuff so in september then it's part 00:42:08.110 --> 00:42:10.449 of family tree plus we've got a talk and then 00:42:10.449 --> 00:42:12.150 there's another one in october and they're by 00:42:12.150 --> 00:42:16.070 two genealogists and more genealogists jude rhodes 00:42:16.070 --> 00:42:19.349 and the other expert who will be presenting with 00:42:19.349 --> 00:42:21.840 her as rick voight and they're Both of them are 00:42:21.840 --> 00:42:24.400 about how family history can be used in the care 00:42:24.400 --> 00:42:26.039 of older people, particularly people with dementia. 00:42:26.440 --> 00:42:29.059 So the idea is if you gather their memories before 00:42:29.059 --> 00:42:32.440 the dementia gets too advanced, then you can 00:42:32.440 --> 00:42:35.340 use their memories to help improve the quality 00:42:35.340 --> 00:42:38.880 of their life and the quality of the care that 00:42:38.880 --> 00:42:41.199 you can give them because you can talk to them 00:42:41.199 --> 00:42:44.039 and converse with them. and take them to a place 00:42:44.039 --> 00:42:45.679 in their memory that they are more confident 00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:48.539 and knowledgeable. And so they can have a really 00:42:48.539 --> 00:42:50.280 nice experience talking about things way back 00:42:50.280 --> 00:42:52.719 when, when perhaps their more recent memory is 00:42:52.719 --> 00:42:56.579 a real challenge for them. But anyway, we've 00:42:56.579 --> 00:42:58.340 got those two talks coming up in September or 00:42:58.340 --> 00:43:00.920 October. Cool. That sounds good. I have to say 00:43:00.920 --> 00:43:04.500 like I do, I do like, as much as I keep saying, 00:43:04.500 --> 00:43:06.420 well, I've just said I don't always like to set 00:43:06.420 --> 00:43:08.500 my mum off because I might not have time to log 00:43:08.500 --> 00:43:12.210 it. When I do. i know she's gonna go sit and 00:43:12.210 --> 00:43:14.130 think about it and then she then like she'll 00:43:14.130 --> 00:43:16.050 phone my auntie up and then get my uncle on the 00:43:16.050 --> 00:43:17.909 phone and they sit and have a conversation about 00:43:17.909 --> 00:43:20.750 it so it becomes it goes beyond what i'm doing 00:43:20.750 --> 00:43:22.650 for my research there then just having a merry 00:43:22.650 --> 00:43:25.329 old chat and like being nostalgic about the past 00:43:25.329 --> 00:43:26.949 and all sorts of things are coming up that they'd 00:43:26.949 --> 00:43:28.989 all forgotten but then start sharing and it just 00:43:28.989 --> 00:43:32.429 it's nice i like to think that it's just you 00:43:32.429 --> 00:43:34.070 know it's creating a new level of conversation 00:43:34.070 --> 00:43:37.500 for them it's cool It is. And that again is a 00:43:37.500 --> 00:43:40.159 quality of life thing because sometimes our daily 00:43:40.159 --> 00:43:42.079 lives, sometimes aspects of them can be really 00:43:42.079 --> 00:43:45.800 boring or lonely or stressful or depressing. 00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:47.639 All of those things, just all of our ordinary 00:43:47.639 --> 00:43:51.059 lives can easily have those things in them. Whereas 00:43:51.059 --> 00:43:54.440 family history and happy memories is a super 00:43:54.440 --> 00:43:57.860 escape, isn't it? It is, yeah. Nice bit of nostalgia. 00:43:59.150 --> 00:44:01.309 And it's amazing what you can forget as well. 00:44:01.349 --> 00:44:02.849 Like I was saying last week about forgetting 00:44:02.849 --> 00:44:04.869 that my granddad really loved snooker. It's such 00:44:04.869 --> 00:44:07.010 a small detail, but it was a big part of his 00:44:07.010 --> 00:44:09.610 character. And it's like, I don't really have 00:44:09.610 --> 00:44:11.329 many people to talk about that or reflect about 00:44:11.329 --> 00:44:13.489 that. But the whole thing about researching the 00:44:13.489 --> 00:44:15.489 aeroplanes brought that up as well. It's just 00:44:15.489 --> 00:44:18.250 one thing leads to another and you develop the 00:44:18.250 --> 00:44:21.989 characters. It's cool. It's cool. I keep saying 00:44:21.989 --> 00:44:24.829 that. I made a list of things I often say on 00:44:24.829 --> 00:44:28.639 a podcast after conversations recently. I think 00:44:28.639 --> 00:44:30.480 we should have a bingo. Anytime I say definitely, 00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:35.079 sweaty, terrified, that's cool, it's cool, oh 00:44:35.079 --> 00:44:37.840 boy, or whatever. You get 10 points every time 00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:41.780 I say one of those. And 20 points anytime Helen 00:44:41.780 --> 00:44:45.860 says yes as a question. Is that what I do? Yes. 00:44:47.159 --> 00:44:51.260 Goodness. Oh, crikey. Okay, I'll try and work 00:44:51.260 --> 00:44:54.059 up what my... I'm so busy listening to you that 00:44:54.059 --> 00:44:55.380 I don't even know what I'm saying, if you know 00:44:55.380 --> 00:44:59.329 what I mean. I just... I'm just thinking about 00:44:59.329 --> 00:45:01.190 what we're thinking about, not thinking about 00:45:01.190 --> 00:45:03.230 the words I'm using, if that makes sense. I'm 00:45:03.230 --> 00:45:05.449 breaking the fourth wall. Yes, and I'm trying 00:45:05.449 --> 00:45:08.909 not to do some of my, where I talk off the top 00:45:08.909 --> 00:45:11.409 of my head and go, I'm fairly sure this is factual, 00:45:11.570 --> 00:45:14.010 but I wouldn't want to put much more than a fiver 00:45:14.010 --> 00:45:17.289 on it. They're my favourite bits. Don't do this 00:45:17.289 --> 00:45:22.849 to yourself, Helen. But I'm gonna. Yes. Well, 00:45:22.949 --> 00:45:26.179 well. We've got a lot to do, haven't we? So you've 00:45:26.179 --> 00:45:30.440 got your Concord, Project Concord. Yes, I'm looking 00:45:30.440 --> 00:45:32.460 forward to that. I kind of, like I said last 00:45:32.460 --> 00:45:34.639 week, I want to sort of get through this and 00:45:34.639 --> 00:45:37.280 put a stop to it and then get on with a bit more 00:45:37.280 --> 00:45:40.099 digging into the past. But obviously I love aeroplanes, 00:45:40.139 --> 00:45:41.760 so I am enjoying this. But this feels like a 00:45:41.760 --> 00:45:44.059 slightly different project to my grandad because 00:45:44.059 --> 00:45:46.559 it's close so I can talk to people that knew 00:45:46.559 --> 00:45:48.440 him. So it's going to be a good little challenge, 00:45:48.519 --> 00:45:50.460 like you said earlier, a good research challenge, 00:45:50.699 --> 00:45:53.099 enhance my skills, even if I don't find anything. 00:45:53.760 --> 00:45:55.900 a little bit of a history digging project but 00:45:55.900 --> 00:45:57.920 after this week I think I want to stop doing 00:45:57.920 --> 00:46:01.059 that and then get back to more solid family tree 00:46:01.059 --> 00:46:04.760 stuff yeah yeah you know I've been really missing 00:46:04.760 --> 00:46:07.300 my down and out tree I was thinking about the 00:46:07.300 --> 00:46:09.480 other day I was tidying my bedroom thinking oh 00:46:09.480 --> 00:46:11.280 I'm really missing not doing that I haven't done 00:46:11.280 --> 00:46:13.539 any of that for weeks now I've been flapping 00:46:13.539 --> 00:46:15.320 around in other things. And the download art 00:46:15.320 --> 00:46:17.280 tree is the same as what you're talking about. 00:46:17.340 --> 00:46:20.119 It's just tree building. It's just looking for 00:46:20.119 --> 00:46:22.260 information and sticking the details on your 00:46:22.260 --> 00:46:26.300 tree, finding people, not trying not to go into 00:46:26.300 --> 00:46:28.019 too much depth, just literally getting enough 00:46:28.019 --> 00:46:29.599 information that you're confident they definitely 00:46:29.599 --> 00:46:32.900 are a relation. On they go. It's kind of really 00:46:32.900 --> 00:46:37.139 orderly. Yeah, satisfying and neat. Yes, it is. 00:46:37.260 --> 00:46:40.920 Yes, yes. Okay, so I'm going to be doing my holiday 00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:43.599 questions. And you're doing Project Concord and 00:46:43.599 --> 00:46:47.739 we shall reconvene soon. Indeed. Yes. And thank 00:46:47.739 --> 00:46:49.960 you very much to anybody for listening and especially 00:46:49.960 --> 00:46:51.960 thank you for anybody who wrote in with their 00:46:51.960 --> 00:46:56.000 really, really cool emails. Just fun and impressive. 00:46:56.920 --> 00:46:58.900 Showing the value of recording things and the 00:46:58.900 --> 00:47:01.880 value of stories and all of it. All of it. And 00:47:01.880 --> 00:47:03.340 we love hearing from people as well. It's great. 00:47:03.500 --> 00:47:04.820 Nice to know that we're sharing this journey 00:47:04.820 --> 00:47:07.480 with others. Definitely. Till next week then. 00:47:07.539 --> 00:47:14.389 Bye bye. Happy researching. Thank you.