WEBVTT 00:00:05.850 --> 00:00:07.929 Hi everybody and welcome to Family Tree Talk, 00:00:08.050 --> 00:00:10.429 your favourite family history podcast. I'm your 00:00:10.429 --> 00:00:13.189 co -host Nathan Ward and with me as always is... 00:00:13.189 --> 00:00:16.329 Helen Dovey. Hi Helen, you alright? I'm very 00:00:16.329 --> 00:00:19.750 well. I am a bit hot, I have to say. It is somewhat 00:00:19.750 --> 00:00:22.489 warm, isn't it? Yes, I think it's affecting lots 00:00:22.489 --> 00:00:25.410 of our heads as well. I've had people email me 00:00:25.410 --> 00:00:27.829 saying, I can't answer this now, it's too hot 00:00:27.829 --> 00:00:30.699 to answer properly. Yeah. I think that's a valid 00:00:30.699 --> 00:00:34.399 answer, it really is. Yes, yes. Become nocturnal 00:00:34.399 --> 00:00:35.780 and then we'll be okay. It's a bit cooler at 00:00:35.780 --> 00:00:37.700 night. Well, we might have to be, mightn't we? 00:00:37.920 --> 00:00:41.420 If this is the shape of things to come, we might 00:00:41.420 --> 00:00:45.899 become night dwellers. It's appealing. It is 00:00:45.899 --> 00:00:48.880 appealing. Although saying that, I ran last night 00:00:48.880 --> 00:00:50.799 and it was still 30 degrees, so it was stupid. 00:00:52.380 --> 00:00:55.460 Whatever. I think we should be journaling it 00:00:55.460 --> 00:00:57.920 all. We should be kind of keeping statistics 00:00:57.920 --> 00:00:59.939 on how many dogs now have paddling pools and 00:00:59.939 --> 00:01:03.640 things like that. Yeah, that should be like a 00:01:03.640 --> 00:01:05.659 national barometer for the weather. Dogs with 00:01:05.659 --> 00:01:09.980 paddling pools. Yes. I like it. Our dog now has 00:01:09.980 --> 00:01:12.859 a paddling pool. The first dog we've ever got 00:01:12.859 --> 00:01:14.500 a paddling pool for. I have to say my dad bought 00:01:14.500 --> 00:01:15.959 it for the dog. We didn't buy it for the dog, 00:01:15.980 --> 00:01:18.760 but it was very kind to my dad anyway. Oh, that's 00:01:18.760 --> 00:01:20.599 lovely. And are you allowed in the paddling pool 00:01:20.599 --> 00:01:22.579 with the dog or is it strictly just for the dog? 00:01:23.040 --> 00:01:24.780 I'd put my feet in there. I wouldn't really want 00:01:24.780 --> 00:01:27.180 to get any more in the water with the dog. No, 00:01:27.280 --> 00:01:29.040 fair enough, fair enough. I do love her, but 00:01:29.040 --> 00:01:34.560 she's a dog and she does disgusting things. That's 00:01:34.560 --> 00:01:37.700 fair enough. Yeah. How's your family history 00:01:37.700 --> 00:01:41.260 going? Oh, well, it's so hot. I just can't answer 00:01:41.260 --> 00:01:44.140 that question. It's going all right. I've not 00:01:44.140 --> 00:01:46.319 done as much as I wanted to do. It's been slow 00:01:46.319 --> 00:01:49.840 progress. I did a little bit more digging on 00:01:49.840 --> 00:01:53.189 the English electric lightning. Just confirming, 00:01:53.209 --> 00:01:56.609 it was the first British supersonic aeroplane 00:01:56.609 --> 00:02:01.769 reaching Mach 2. All very exciting. I tried to 00:02:01.769 --> 00:02:05.549 find, using the, was it National Archives? Would 00:02:05.549 --> 00:02:07.170 that be correct? No, it was National Records 00:02:07.170 --> 00:02:10.110 of Scotland, whatever. And I tried to locate 00:02:10.110 --> 00:02:13.610 the airfield in Farsley using old maps. I failed. 00:02:14.629 --> 00:02:17.189 I was enjoying the search and piecing together 00:02:17.189 --> 00:02:19.469 different maps and obviously, for those of you 00:02:19.469 --> 00:02:21.860 that have not used it. I mean, I'm not an expert, 00:02:21.900 --> 00:02:23.400 so this is quite embarrassing to say out loud 00:02:23.400 --> 00:02:27.340 anyway. It lets you have a modern -day map and 00:02:27.340 --> 00:02:29.979 an old -day map, and you can then choose through 00:02:29.979 --> 00:02:32.879 a range of dates, different years for different 00:02:32.879 --> 00:02:35.659 maps that they've used, and compare them. And 00:02:35.659 --> 00:02:38.560 I couldn't quite find the date range I wanted, 00:02:38.639 --> 00:02:41.060 but I looked at some of the older ones, and there 00:02:41.060 --> 00:02:43.319 were big fields there, but it wasn't necessarily 00:02:43.319 --> 00:02:46.719 saying this is a runway or a landing strip or 00:02:46.719 --> 00:02:49.030 whatever you want to call it. But it was fun 00:02:49.030 --> 00:02:50.349 nonetheless to have a look in there because I've 00:02:50.349 --> 00:02:51.789 not been in there before so it was nice to look 00:02:51.789 --> 00:02:54.310 at some old maps. I did quite enjoy that even 00:02:54.310 --> 00:02:57.050 if I've not yet got the result I want to. I will 00:02:57.050 --> 00:02:59.789 go back to it, I just got frustrated. I looked 00:02:59.789 --> 00:03:04.370 through my grandad's journals and stuff for his 00:03:04.370 --> 00:03:07.650 electrical engineering course, whatever it was 00:03:07.650 --> 00:03:10.090 that he did. So I've got a collection of things 00:03:10.090 --> 00:03:13.389 there and it's like 1933 and I think it must 00:03:13.389 --> 00:03:15.810 have been one of the first journals he got where 00:03:15.810 --> 00:03:19.210 it's got like... various information about engineering 00:03:19.210 --> 00:03:21.550 and then it's all graph paper and he's got to 00:03:21.550 --> 00:03:23.469 do his design so there's loads of designs for 00:03:23.469 --> 00:03:28.629 various iron based sockety things i don't know 00:03:28.629 --> 00:03:30.969 any technical terms so there's lots of diagrams 00:03:30.969 --> 00:03:32.849 that he's drawn and created which is quite cool 00:03:32.849 --> 00:03:36.409 beyond that i thought i had a bit more stuff 00:03:36.409 --> 00:03:38.969 but i like actually on this sort of technical 00:03:38.969 --> 00:03:42.789 side of in english electric but i don't i've 00:03:42.789 --> 00:03:45.770 got a shareholders meeting um document from 1958 00:03:45.770 --> 00:03:48.030 where they're talking about how much money they've 00:03:48.030 --> 00:03:52.009 made and the future of the company so it's talking 00:03:52.009 --> 00:03:53.710 about the fact that they designed a supersonic 00:03:53.710 --> 00:03:57.550 airplane and some guided weapons and various 00:03:57.550 --> 00:03:59.169 bits and bats and like the progression of the 00:03:59.169 --> 00:04:00.930 company how much money they used to make and 00:04:00.930 --> 00:04:02.810 how much money they did make so that was all 00:04:02.810 --> 00:04:06.990 quite interesting and I've only flicked through 00:04:06.990 --> 00:04:09.210 it there's a lot of like heavy data in there 00:04:09.639 --> 00:04:11.860 But there's an amusing section where they're 00:04:11.860 --> 00:04:14.340 talking about the use of computers within the 00:04:14.340 --> 00:04:18.779 office space. And there's a whole, like, I don't 00:04:18.779 --> 00:04:20.540 know, two or three page document saying when 00:04:20.540 --> 00:04:24.000 it is acceptable to use a computer for work and 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:27.100 what potential computers have in the workspace 00:04:27.100 --> 00:04:29.560 and stuff. So it's quite interesting seeing it 00:04:29.560 --> 00:04:32.860 from those sort of eyes of a, you know, 1950s 00:04:32.860 --> 00:04:35.240 people not really knowing where computers were 00:04:35.240 --> 00:04:38.110 going to go. This seemed quite on it, though. 00:04:38.129 --> 00:04:41.089 It seemed all quite accurate, but it's just new 00:04:41.089 --> 00:04:44.189 technology. So that was quite cool. That is very 00:04:44.189 --> 00:04:46.350 cool. I love it. I mean, that's very similar 00:04:46.350 --> 00:04:48.649 conversations that we're having now, like to 00:04:48.649 --> 00:04:50.610 what extent do we use AI? To what extent do you 00:04:50.610 --> 00:04:52.949 have a choice whether we use AI? It's the same 00:04:52.949 --> 00:04:54.629 thing, isn't it? It's the same conversation. 00:04:55.230 --> 00:04:58.569 Humans trying to feel the way towards the future, 00:04:58.610 --> 00:05:02.449 not want to lose their old skills, not want to... 00:05:04.200 --> 00:05:07.139 who make their brains go mushy, wants to keep 00:05:07.139 --> 00:05:11.000 their brains fit and active and not kind of hand 00:05:11.000 --> 00:05:15.420 over capabilities to the machine. It's the same 00:05:15.420 --> 00:05:17.959 conversation, isn't it? It is, yeah. In years 00:05:17.959 --> 00:05:19.600 to come, people will look back on our conversations 00:05:19.600 --> 00:05:22.439 and be like, these idiots. What are they talking 00:05:22.439 --> 00:05:25.620 about? Well, hopefully that's the best answer. 00:05:25.660 --> 00:05:27.839 That's the best outcome. Yes. Alternatively, 00:05:28.259 --> 00:05:29.800 they'll be like, they won't read it. They'll 00:05:29.800 --> 00:05:31.639 get AI to look at the answer and be like, oh, 00:05:31.660 --> 00:05:36.139 idiots. Yeah, dark, dark times. But speaking 00:05:36.139 --> 00:05:38.279 of progress, though, I mean, it wasn't so many 00:05:38.279 --> 00:05:41.660 months ago when you would use solely ancestry. 00:05:42.120 --> 00:05:45.120 And if I tried to kind of mention the idea that 00:05:45.120 --> 00:05:48.500 you are allowed to tiptoe. outside Ancestry and 00:05:48.500 --> 00:05:50.459 look at other websites. Other websites are available 00:05:50.459 --> 00:05:52.220 for family history. And you'd be like, no, no, 00:05:52.240 --> 00:05:54.800 no, no, don't overwhelm me. And now you've just 00:05:54.800 --> 00:05:56.740 done a kind of a summary of what you've been 00:05:56.740 --> 00:05:58.079 getting up to in your family history over the 00:05:58.079 --> 00:06:00.019 last week. And it sounds like you probably haven't 00:06:00.019 --> 00:06:02.300 even been on Ancestry at all. And you've been 00:06:02.300 --> 00:06:06.899 busy using the wealth of the World Wide Web to 00:06:06.899 --> 00:06:08.439 get general history information. You've been 00:06:08.439 --> 00:06:11.160 on the National Library of Scotland map website. 00:06:11.560 --> 00:06:13.100 You're reading all sorts of stuff. And you've 00:06:13.100 --> 00:06:15.220 been diving into that trunk that your mum has 00:06:15.220 --> 00:06:17.670 full of old papers by the sound of it. Yeah, 00:06:17.769 --> 00:06:19.569 that's very interesting, actually. You haven't 00:06:19.569 --> 00:06:21.569 noticed. You're just like, yeah, of course, that's 00:06:21.569 --> 00:06:23.850 how you do family history. I should have cancelled 00:06:23.850 --> 00:06:25.569 my subscription. I could have saved a few pounds. 00:06:26.389 --> 00:06:28.750 Pause it. Pause it, right. Okay, I'll look into 00:06:28.750 --> 00:06:31.009 that. I literally honestly haven't opened Ancestry, 00:06:31.250 --> 00:06:33.069 which is fascinating. I hadn't even realised. 00:06:33.470 --> 00:06:36.870 Pause it for one or two months a year. I'm pretty 00:06:36.870 --> 00:06:38.470 sure I'll be dipping back into it next week. 00:06:38.490 --> 00:06:40.790 You sure you will be. That's the thing. Yeah. 00:06:41.310 --> 00:06:43.829 Obviously, I've just got very much into doing 00:06:43.829 --> 00:06:46.569 the local history stuff, which is very new to 00:06:46.569 --> 00:06:49.209 me. And then obviously my granddad's history, 00:06:49.329 --> 00:06:51.550 which is still kind of local history, but it's 00:06:51.550 --> 00:06:54.110 stuff that's obviously not on Ancestry with him 00:06:54.110 --> 00:06:56.610 because he's only featured in a few documents 00:06:56.610 --> 00:07:00.889 on Ancestry too young. It's quite cool. I also 00:07:00.889 --> 00:07:05.689 found some documents from English Electric and 00:07:05.689 --> 00:07:09.189 it's their sports bulletin. And I've got like 00:07:09.189 --> 00:07:13.910 about five of them from like 1936 to like 1950 00:07:13.910 --> 00:07:17.649 something or other. It's just like apparently 00:07:17.649 --> 00:07:20.709 English Electric had like an interwork sports 00:07:20.709 --> 00:07:24.509 day. So people from different like from the Bradford 00:07:24.509 --> 00:07:27.730 branch and Stratford and wherever came together 00:07:27.730 --> 00:07:30.209 and had competitions against each other in the 00:07:30.209 --> 00:07:32.730 company. I've not really looked through them 00:07:32.730 --> 00:07:34.310 and found my granddad yet, but there is lots 00:07:34.310 --> 00:07:36.509 of running stuff. So he will be in there. But 00:07:36.509 --> 00:07:37.949 I thought that was quite cool. It just gives 00:07:37.949 --> 00:07:39.490 you a summary of all the events that happened 00:07:39.490 --> 00:07:41.629 and who won and who did what. It's pretty cool. 00:07:42.110 --> 00:07:44.389 Very cool. Thank goodness I didn't work for English 00:07:44.389 --> 00:07:46.790 Electric. I'd find that day very, very stressful 00:07:46.790 --> 00:07:50.029 indeed. I thought you liked running. Well, not 00:07:50.029 --> 00:07:54.430 in front of other people, though. Yeah. You could 00:07:54.430 --> 00:07:56.149 have done hockey instead. They did cricket, hockey, 00:07:56.310 --> 00:08:01.569 golf and a bit of running. I can imagine it's 00:08:01.569 --> 00:08:03.149 a fun day. I bet everybody looked forward to 00:08:03.149 --> 00:08:05.290 it in the company. It does look fun. There's 00:08:05.290 --> 00:08:06.709 loads of pictures on there as well, like people 00:08:06.709 --> 00:08:10.089 doing tug -of -war and sack races and yet they're 00:08:10.089 --> 00:08:14.519 all still dressed like... In formal gear. It's 00:08:14.519 --> 00:08:17.879 very cool. And back to that, you said you couldn't 00:08:17.879 --> 00:08:21.420 find a map for Farsley. And that is always a 00:08:21.420 --> 00:08:23.279 bit of a problem that you can't necessarily find 00:08:23.279 --> 00:08:25.660 a map for the exact time period you want. And 00:08:25.660 --> 00:08:28.319 it depends when the maps got surveyed, doesn't 00:08:28.319 --> 00:08:30.240 it? So when you see the maps, it will say like 00:08:30.240 --> 00:08:33.419 a survey date and a published date on it. So 00:08:33.419 --> 00:08:35.840 the survey date is of most relevance, isn't it? 00:08:35.860 --> 00:08:39.259 Because that's saying in 1892 when it got surveyed. 00:08:39.960 --> 00:08:41.940 This is what was actually on the ground. Whereas 00:08:41.940 --> 00:08:43.559 if they publish it four years later, obviously 00:08:43.559 --> 00:08:46.120 some more houses could have got built. Yeah. 00:08:46.879 --> 00:08:50.700 When I initially got in there, it's all my own 00:08:50.700 --> 00:08:54.080 fault. When I initially got in there, I did the 00:08:54.080 --> 00:08:56.240 search, found Farsley, and it gave me like a 00:08:56.240 --> 00:08:59.759 list of maps that were available. And I thought, 00:08:59.820 --> 00:09:02.960 okay, I'll go a few years before, or I can't 00:09:02.960 --> 00:09:05.620 remember when I went. I think the airfield was 00:09:05.620 --> 00:09:07.799 built for World War I. So I think I went a few 00:09:07.799 --> 00:09:09.460 years before then just to see if it was there 00:09:09.460 --> 00:09:12.899 anywhere. And then I got forward another set 00:09:12.899 --> 00:09:15.240 of years and I couldn't see it there either. 00:09:16.299 --> 00:09:18.080 And then I don't know what I did wrong, but this 00:09:18.080 --> 00:09:20.500 list of maps that were available disappeared 00:09:20.500 --> 00:09:24.820 and I couldn't find the next one along. So, like 00:09:24.820 --> 00:09:26.539 I say, it is my own fault. I just need to go 00:09:26.539 --> 00:09:31.279 back in and redo the search. But I know it becomes... 00:09:31.279 --> 00:09:33.059 There's one you can do and this is where... Helen, 00:09:33.100 --> 00:09:34.440 don't do this, but I'm going to do it anyway. 00:09:34.600 --> 00:09:36.419 And I have done this. I'm pretty sure it's on 00:09:36.419 --> 00:09:37.980 the National Library of Scotland website. So 00:09:37.980 --> 00:09:40.200 let's say you went to Wikipedia, got the information 00:09:40.200 --> 00:09:42.720 about Farsley Airfield or Airstrip or whatever 00:09:42.720 --> 00:09:46.759 it's called, Airbase. And then it might have 00:09:46.759 --> 00:09:49.220 a grid reference on there. And then I'm pretty 00:09:49.220 --> 00:09:50.720 sure you can get the grid reference and then 00:09:50.720 --> 00:09:52.639 you can paste it into the National Library of 00:09:52.639 --> 00:09:54.919 Scotland and it should hop you right to the direct 00:09:54.919 --> 00:09:58.269 bit. I have a vague memory of that and I haven't 00:09:58.269 --> 00:10:00.429 done it for a while. And I might be making it 00:10:00.429 --> 00:10:01.889 up and never, never done it, but I'm pretty sure 00:10:01.889 --> 00:10:04.990 I have done it. Well, if that works, that sounds 00:10:04.990 --> 00:10:07.110 awesome. It's really good, isn't it? Yeah. And 00:10:07.110 --> 00:10:08.509 if they don't, they should do, but I'm pretty 00:10:08.509 --> 00:10:12.570 sure they do do. Yeah. So that's worth a try 00:10:12.570 --> 00:10:14.990 because it is, it can be hard if an area has 00:10:14.990 --> 00:10:17.169 been, you know, dramatically changed over the 00:10:17.169 --> 00:10:19.789 decades and centuries. It's hard to actually 00:10:19.789 --> 00:10:22.629 pinpoint the place unless you've got landmarks 00:10:22.629 --> 00:10:24.669 like rivers and stuff to help orientate you. 00:10:25.100 --> 00:10:27.379 Yeah, well, in the modern day, I know it's now 00:10:27.379 --> 00:10:30.519 a primary school, or it used to be, so I do know 00:10:30.519 --> 00:10:34.179 the location. It's just the time frame to find 00:10:34.179 --> 00:10:36.960 it. I did also find, I don't know whether it 00:10:36.960 --> 00:10:40.580 was Farsley Family History Society or whatever, 00:10:40.779 --> 00:10:43.580 but I found a whole big PDF that was like the 00:10:43.580 --> 00:10:45.919 history of Farsley, and that mentions English 00:10:45.919 --> 00:10:48.259 Electric for a little bit. There wasn't too much 00:10:48.259 --> 00:10:50.039 information there, but it was referenced, so 00:10:50.039 --> 00:10:51.340 I might have to flick through that a bit more 00:10:51.340 --> 00:10:54.740 as well. But equally, it feels like this is just 00:10:54.740 --> 00:10:57.480 like snowballing into this big search. And then 00:10:57.480 --> 00:11:00.360 I'm like, why am I doing this search again? I 00:11:00.360 --> 00:11:03.659 don't know. Because you wanted context and you're 00:11:03.659 --> 00:11:06.860 getting local history slash family history because 00:11:06.860 --> 00:11:10.200 your family lives locally to where you still 00:11:10.200 --> 00:11:13.080 live. So it's all rolled into one. Give them 00:11:13.080 --> 00:11:15.279 the excuse to go and visit the archives and see 00:11:15.279 --> 00:11:18.340 what else they can tell you about the local area. 00:11:18.440 --> 00:11:22.169 That'd be fun. Yeah, yeah. It is just snowballing, 00:11:22.169 --> 00:11:25.149 though, because I was doing Carverley local history 00:11:25.149 --> 00:11:27.809 stuff, and now I'm suddenly looking at Farsley's 00:11:27.809 --> 00:11:30.610 history, and it's like, wow. I mean, it is all 00:11:30.610 --> 00:11:32.909 related, I understand that, but everything's 00:11:32.909 --> 00:11:35.009 getting bigger. It's going to freak me out soon, 00:11:35.029 --> 00:11:38.450 I can feel it. But doing local history is never 00:11:38.450 --> 00:11:40.809 a waste of time if you like doing family history, 00:11:40.929 --> 00:11:43.690 because imagine if you just learn about the people 00:11:43.690 --> 00:11:46.090 and you don't know where they lived. That's, 00:11:46.090 --> 00:11:49.120 it's like... chopping a person out of a photograph 00:11:49.120 --> 00:11:50.440 and you've literally just got a little person 00:11:50.440 --> 00:11:53.179 standing there and you can't see whether there 00:11:53.179 --> 00:11:56.860 are mountains behind them or ocean liners or 00:11:56.860 --> 00:12:01.360 coal mines or rows of shops or the workhouse 00:12:01.360 --> 00:12:04.860 or anything. Yeah. I think find as well like 00:12:04.860 --> 00:12:08.759 with local history. like casually talking about 00:12:08.759 --> 00:12:10.879 it with people around here, you get more interest. 00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:12.759 Whereas obviously nobody wants to know about 00:12:12.759 --> 00:12:14.320 my great, great, great granddad or whatever, 00:12:14.460 --> 00:12:17.220 other than me and my family. Whereas if you say, 00:12:17.259 --> 00:12:18.799 oh, that building used to be X, Y and Z, like 00:12:18.799 --> 00:12:20.519 when you were at the pub, people are like, oh, 00:12:20.620 --> 00:12:22.519 you know, they get into it. They're a bit intrigued 00:12:22.519 --> 00:12:26.620 and it's cool. It's very, very cool. Yeah. Oh 00:12:26.620 --> 00:12:29.159 my God, what's become of me? No, I think that's 00:12:29.159 --> 00:12:31.879 good. That's very, very good. So how are you 00:12:31.879 --> 00:12:33.379 going to carry on with this then? Are you going 00:12:33.379 --> 00:12:36.200 to carry on hunting for a map? Yeah, I'd like 00:12:36.200 --> 00:12:37.659 to. I did quite enjoy looking at the map. It 00:12:37.659 --> 00:12:40.559 was fun. So I just need to redo that search and 00:12:40.559 --> 00:12:42.940 see if I can get the date range correct. I don't 00:12:42.940 --> 00:12:44.440 know what I did wrong. There literally was a 00:12:44.440 --> 00:12:46.220 little box with loads of buttons I could press 00:12:46.220 --> 00:12:48.539 for different maps. It disappeared after I pressed 00:12:48.539 --> 00:12:51.620 it a couple of times. Anyway, yeah, I'm going 00:12:51.620 --> 00:12:55.120 to go back and do that for sure. Yeah, and then 00:12:55.120 --> 00:12:57.299 I think I am going to have to go back into Ancestry 00:12:57.299 --> 00:12:59.820 and document some of this information about my 00:12:59.820 --> 00:13:02.600 grandad. Because it's not on Ancestry at all. 00:13:02.639 --> 00:13:04.940 There's no documents for it. So just a note, 00:13:05.100 --> 00:13:07.120 just maybe a picture of the aeroplane just to 00:13:07.120 --> 00:13:09.899 show that's what he did. I think that's quite 00:13:09.899 --> 00:13:12.299 cool. Definitely. And you can even write up a 00:13:12.299 --> 00:13:13.820 little Word document if you wanted and then you 00:13:13.820 --> 00:13:17.299 could upload it to your granddad's gallery. So 00:13:17.299 --> 00:13:19.700 you've got it, all the stuff you just told me. 00:13:20.179 --> 00:13:23.879 Yeah. Just to keep it all in one place. What 00:13:23.879 --> 00:13:26.129 did you put? You do. It sounds like I just did 00:13:26.129 --> 00:13:28.009 this and I just did that. But when we say that 00:13:28.009 --> 00:13:29.429 when we're doing our family history, it's hours 00:13:29.429 --> 00:13:31.809 of stuff at a time, isn't it? If you add it all 00:13:31.809 --> 00:13:34.309 up, sometimes it can feel as though it's just 00:13:34.309 --> 00:13:36.250 this because you haven't made as much progress 00:13:36.250 --> 00:13:38.090 as you want. But it's still lots of dedication 00:13:38.090 --> 00:13:41.009 even to each one piece of information sometimes. 00:13:41.450 --> 00:13:42.990 Yeah. And if you don't record it, then you've 00:13:42.990 --> 00:13:45.929 wasted your time as well. And you've got the 00:13:45.929 --> 00:13:49.269 potential to forget it yourself, don't you? Yes. 00:13:49.549 --> 00:13:52.100 Yes, I should get it on there. Yeah. I would 00:13:52.100 --> 00:13:53.820 say not the potential to forget it. I'd say the 00:13:53.820 --> 00:13:56.820 certainty you will forget it. It's interesting 00:13:56.820 --> 00:13:59.820 what memory brings. Like, I think I mentioned 00:13:59.820 --> 00:14:02.899 the other week within this chest is my granddad's 00:14:02.899 --> 00:14:06.279 retirement speech. The first time I saw it, I 00:14:06.279 --> 00:14:08.100 thought, I can't be bothered reading that. But 00:14:08.100 --> 00:14:10.799 then finding out about the aeroplane, I was like, 00:14:10.879 --> 00:14:13.039 maybe he mentions the aeroplane. I'm going to 00:14:13.039 --> 00:14:17.379 go read it. So I read it and... It was a typical 00:14:17.379 --> 00:14:20.259 retirement speech where he thanks lots of people, 00:14:20.379 --> 00:14:23.080 thanks people for gift, makes jokes about other 00:14:23.080 --> 00:14:25.419 people having to go to work tomorrow. It goes 00:14:25.419 --> 00:14:27.519 on. So nothing really intriguing about aeroplanes, 00:14:27.539 --> 00:14:30.480 but it mentions snooker and billiards. And my 00:14:30.480 --> 00:14:33.539 granddad was really into both of them. And I'd 00:14:33.539 --> 00:14:36.259 totally forgotten that. Like, nobody to talk 00:14:36.259 --> 00:14:39.240 about it, really. But he was really into it. 00:14:39.299 --> 00:14:42.840 And it just reminded me of a story where the 00:14:42.840 --> 00:14:45.480 snooker player, Joe Johnson, I don't know if 00:14:45.480 --> 00:14:48.830 you know him. He was famous for a bit. He used 00:14:48.830 --> 00:14:51.690 to live in Calvary. And one day, I think my granddad 00:14:51.690 --> 00:14:53.330 just knocked at his door and asked him if he 00:14:53.330 --> 00:14:55.309 wanted a game of snooker. And it was like a big 00:14:55.309 --> 00:14:58.210 family story. But I mean, I think I've said my 00:14:58.210 --> 00:14:59.789 granddad was a bit of a blagger. He would just 00:14:59.789 --> 00:15:02.750 always push his luck. So he went and played Joe 00:15:02.750 --> 00:15:05.169 Johnson and beat him. So that was cool. No way. 00:15:05.309 --> 00:15:07.830 That's pretty good. Yeah, it's just a cool memory. 00:15:07.889 --> 00:15:09.850 But I had literally forgotten it until I'd read 00:15:09.850 --> 00:15:13.690 that speech. That's nice. Very good. Write that 00:15:13.690 --> 00:15:16.840 down as well. Write it all down. I will do. People 00:15:16.840 --> 00:15:19.480 are like, who the heck's this guy? Whatever. 00:15:26.519 --> 00:15:30.519 How's your family history going? So mine, I haven't 00:15:30.519 --> 00:15:32.000 done one of the things I said I was going to 00:15:32.000 --> 00:15:33.440 do, but I am doing the other things. I said I 00:15:33.440 --> 00:15:34.620 was going to be going through the old photos. 00:15:35.120 --> 00:15:37.919 That has stalled. But what I have, I have picked 00:15:37.919 --> 00:15:42.039 up the threads of. assessing the Janet McLaren 00:15:42.039 --> 00:15:44.500 research that I started a few years ago I realized 00:15:44.500 --> 00:15:46.679 when I started it was back in 2020 I think I 00:15:46.679 --> 00:15:49.580 got had a bit more spare time on my hands because 00:15:49.580 --> 00:15:53.139 we were all um confined under house arrest weren't 00:15:53.139 --> 00:15:57.019 we in 2020 and so I've really got into this idea 00:15:57.019 --> 00:15:58.759 of actually eventually trying to find out who 00:15:58.759 --> 00:16:03.240 my five times great granny's dad was so um Janet 00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:05.799 McLaren was born in the 1760s and her dad was 00:16:05.799 --> 00:16:08.820 the guy who's allegedly Captain Donald McLaren 00:16:08.820 --> 00:16:10.779 who jumped off the cart and escaped down the 00:16:10.779 --> 00:16:13.179 mist, having been captured after the Battle of 00:16:13.179 --> 00:16:15.220 Culloden. This is what was supposed to have happened. 00:16:15.360 --> 00:16:19.320 Yeah. Yeah. But I've always felt very uneasy 00:16:19.320 --> 00:16:20.879 about it because they're not a shred of evidence. 00:16:21.899 --> 00:16:24.059 What there is, which is a bit annoying, is there's 00:16:24.059 --> 00:16:26.000 a lot. Well, beg your pardon if you're one of 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:28.000 those people. There are a lot of people in Ancestry. 00:16:28.399 --> 00:16:31.809 We all share a little tiny fragment of DNA. And 00:16:31.809 --> 00:16:34.750 they all like to say that Captain Donald McCarran 00:16:34.750 --> 00:16:38.690 is Janet's dad. And I don't know who started 00:16:38.690 --> 00:16:41.830 this rumour, or I don't know who knows the facts 00:16:41.830 --> 00:16:44.669 of this story, but if they know the facts of 00:16:44.669 --> 00:16:46.029 the story, they're keeping them very close to 00:16:46.029 --> 00:16:48.529 their chest and nobody's sharing the facts. And 00:16:48.529 --> 00:16:51.169 I can't find the facts. So I'm the party pooper 00:16:51.169 --> 00:16:54.230 who's going, well, until we find further evidence, 00:16:54.490 --> 00:16:58.690 I'll stop going on my tree. And I want him to 00:16:58.690 --> 00:17:00.289 be on the tree. Anyway, so I've been looking 00:17:00.289 --> 00:17:02.950 back through my old notes and I've been assessing 00:17:02.950 --> 00:17:06.869 how much I practice what I preach. And I think 00:17:06.869 --> 00:17:09.829 I give myself like six out of ten. This is a 00:17:09.829 --> 00:17:12.089 bit depressing. So some things I've been really 00:17:12.089 --> 00:17:14.230 accurate about. I have an Excel sheet and I've 00:17:14.230 --> 00:17:17.329 clearly done lots of organized research with 00:17:17.329 --> 00:17:19.309 lots of different tabs all doing different things. 00:17:20.269 --> 00:17:23.089 I can call it up and have a quick reminder what 00:17:23.089 --> 00:17:27.299 the heck it has. One of the tabs is a list called 00:17:27.299 --> 00:17:29.839 the things I had to do, to -dos. Another tab 00:17:29.839 --> 00:17:32.160 is a summary of what I've done so far. Another 00:17:32.160 --> 00:17:35.799 tab is all the baptisms for babies born to Donald 00:17:35.799 --> 00:17:38.099 McLaren's in the place of Balquida, which is 00:17:38.099 --> 00:17:39.900 where this is supposed to have happened, where 00:17:39.900 --> 00:17:42.000 my Janet's supposed to have come from, between 00:17:42.000 --> 00:17:45.059 certain date parameters, all the McLaren households 00:17:45.059 --> 00:17:47.960 in that village. I've got really methodical stuff, 00:17:48.160 --> 00:17:51.390 but then I haven't... given myself my enough 00:17:51.390 --> 00:17:53.210 this is what i'd do in the future enough nice 00:17:53.210 --> 00:17:55.750 little paragraphs going helen what you were trying 00:17:55.750 --> 00:17:58.529 to accomplish was here and what you were getting 00:17:58.529 --> 00:18:00.710 confused about or what your sticking point was 00:18:00.710 --> 00:18:03.890 was here so i have done a little bit of like 00:18:03.890 --> 00:18:05.589 my summary and a little bit of what i need to 00:18:05.589 --> 00:18:07.710 do next but i haven't done nearly enough to be 00:18:07.710 --> 00:18:10.029 able to pick it up five years later and be able 00:18:10.029 --> 00:18:12.390 to just i'm having to do a lot of reorientation 00:18:12.390 --> 00:18:15.670 so note yourself try and imagine that you've 00:18:15.670 --> 00:18:16.930 because when you're doing research it's really 00:18:16.930 --> 00:18:19.359 fresh in your head isn't it and so Although I've 00:18:19.359 --> 00:18:21.460 just said you will forget it. It's a lesson I've 00:18:21.460 --> 00:18:23.180 learnt bitterly and I'm going to keep learning 00:18:23.180 --> 00:18:24.680 it my whole life. I'm never going to learn it 00:18:24.680 --> 00:18:26.180 properly that I am going to forget everything. 00:18:26.880 --> 00:18:29.240 I wish I'd kept better notes. Anyway, I'm picking 00:18:29.240 --> 00:18:30.839 it up and I think it's going to be quite fun. 00:18:31.359 --> 00:18:33.700 And another thing, I've done the classic thing. 00:18:33.759 --> 00:18:35.599 You know when you've got a brick wall and you're 00:18:35.599 --> 00:18:37.859 like wrestling with the brick wall and I'm not 00:18:37.859 --> 00:18:39.859 going to put it down. I'm going to find out who 00:18:39.859 --> 00:18:42.299 Janet's dad is. And so I had my massive long 00:18:42.299 --> 00:18:45.339 list. There were 70 odd babies who were born 00:18:45.339 --> 00:18:48.460 in this little tiny... and I'd got done all the 00:18:48.460 --> 00:18:51.519 70 babies and then I'd sorted them into families 00:18:51.519 --> 00:18:55.279 with dads with Donald. These 70 -year -old babies 00:18:55.279 --> 00:18:57.519 had dads called Donald through this 20, 30 -year 00:18:57.519 --> 00:19:00.059 time period. And I'd sorted them into households, 00:19:00.220 --> 00:19:01.700 had all the little groups of siblings with a 00:19:01.700 --> 00:19:03.960 mum and dad. And then any household which didn't 00:19:03.960 --> 00:19:06.059 have a baby Janet in, I was like, delete the 00:19:06.059 --> 00:19:07.900 baby, delete the household. So I got left with 00:19:07.900 --> 00:19:10.819 eight households which had a dad called Donald. 00:19:11.500 --> 00:19:13.480 And a baby called Jammet. So I was like, okay, 00:19:13.500 --> 00:19:15.519 these are all possibles. But the only reason 00:19:15.519 --> 00:19:17.180 I'm searching in Balquida is because everyone 00:19:17.180 --> 00:19:19.299 on Ancestry with their DNA matches is saying 00:19:19.299 --> 00:19:20.940 it's Balquida. But of course it could be anywhere 00:19:20.940 --> 00:19:27.059 in the world. Yeah. So I'd been kind of methodical. 00:19:27.779 --> 00:19:30.559 Sounds like you've been very methodical. But 00:19:30.559 --> 00:19:33.809 not enough. not enough i'm losing my train of 00:19:33.809 --> 00:19:36.410 thought so many things trying to so i've been 00:19:36.410 --> 00:19:39.470 like a dog with a bone trying to build her backwards 00:19:39.470 --> 00:19:41.329 and then when i went to revisit this bit of my 00:19:41.329 --> 00:19:44.869 tree i was like wait a minute let's search out 00:19:44.869 --> 00:19:47.930 janet and her husband and their kids more let's 00:19:47.930 --> 00:19:50.309 go forward in time i've got three of their kids 00:19:50.309 --> 00:19:53.289 they've got a boy called james and two daughters 00:19:54.430 --> 00:19:57.029 And so Janet's husband's called Robert. And in 00:19:57.029 --> 00:19:59.349 Scotland, naming patterns are really, really 00:19:59.349 --> 00:20:01.430 strong. So what you'd normally do, you'd normally 00:20:01.430 --> 00:20:04.769 call your first son by the dad's dad's name. 00:20:04.869 --> 00:20:07.390 So Janet's husband's Robert. I don't know what 00:20:07.390 --> 00:20:09.390 Robert's dad's called. There's a good chance 00:20:09.390 --> 00:20:11.269 he's called James because their son there is 00:20:11.269 --> 00:20:14.789 called James. So I can't find a second son, but 00:20:14.789 --> 00:20:18.089 if they had a second son by rights. If Captain 00:20:18.089 --> 00:20:20.930 Donald is Janet's dad, that second son should 00:20:20.930 --> 00:20:23.329 be called Donald, okay? But I can't find a second 00:20:23.329 --> 00:20:25.210 son for them. So I'm thinking about I need to 00:20:25.210 --> 00:20:30.210 research the children of Janet's children to 00:20:30.210 --> 00:20:32.630 see if any of them honour Donald and call any 00:20:32.630 --> 00:20:35.470 of their children Donald. And I need to do that. 00:20:35.789 --> 00:20:37.589 I might have already done it as part of my darling 00:20:37.589 --> 00:20:39.289 archery. I can't remember. I need to check that. 00:20:39.769 --> 00:20:42.630 And then I need to do the thing of, you know, 00:20:42.670 --> 00:20:44.690 sometimes where you research somebody's death. 00:20:45.069 --> 00:20:49.369 date or burial record or future records for them 00:20:49.369 --> 00:20:50.950 near the end of their life, like you were saying 00:20:50.950 --> 00:20:54.089 with your grandpa's retirement speech. Sometimes 00:20:54.089 --> 00:20:56.650 these records or evidence and things we leave 00:20:56.650 --> 00:20:58.930 behind us near the end of our life can actually 00:20:58.930 --> 00:21:02.490 time travel us back to events and facts from 00:21:02.490 --> 00:21:06.910 earlier in our life. So I need to do more, research 00:21:06.910 --> 00:21:09.250 out their lives more fully and think, is this 00:21:09.250 --> 00:21:12.910 going to give me any clues to any point? Do they 00:21:12.910 --> 00:21:16.930 have any connections? to Perthshire, because 00:21:16.930 --> 00:21:19.369 at the moment they're not. At the moment they're 00:21:19.369 --> 00:21:23.269 in Berwickshire, a completely different county. 00:21:23.789 --> 00:21:28.069 Yeah. Right. I need to do this research. So having 00:21:28.069 --> 00:21:30.849 that gap, even though my research notes weren't 00:21:30.849 --> 00:21:33.470 in the perfect state to pick up, just having 00:21:33.470 --> 00:21:35.630 the time and approaching it with fresh eyes, 00:21:35.690 --> 00:21:37.490 this has been helpful. So I think I'm going to 00:21:37.490 --> 00:21:41.490 stop fixating for the moment on finding the white 00:21:41.490 --> 00:21:43.329 Janet's baptism. I'm going to build out her other. 00:21:43.880 --> 00:21:47.539 Her actual life and her husband's life. Okay. 00:21:47.799 --> 00:21:50.299 Oh, it's going to be a long journey. She's going 00:21:50.299 --> 00:21:52.559 to vie with Mary and Pickering, who I still haven't 00:21:52.559 --> 00:21:54.880 resolved. They're probably related. They probably 00:21:54.880 --> 00:21:57.019 live next door to each other. Imagine, yeah. 00:21:57.140 --> 00:21:58.980 I feel quite stressed just listening to all of 00:21:58.980 --> 00:22:01.339 that, to be honest here. It sounds like a lot. 00:22:02.519 --> 00:22:05.839 It's kind of fun. I think when I get into it, 00:22:05.859 --> 00:22:07.450 I... so at the moment I'm just in the kind of 00:22:07.450 --> 00:22:09.630 reorientated thing once I get into the flow I'm 00:22:09.630 --> 00:22:10.910 going to really enjoy it because you have to 00:22:10.910 --> 00:22:13.890 be so methodical and it's the sort of thing whenever 00:22:13.890 --> 00:22:15.769 you leave your computer it's just going round 00:22:15.769 --> 00:22:17.490 and round in your head as your brain is just 00:22:17.490 --> 00:22:19.589 or my brain takes a long time to think through 00:22:19.589 --> 00:22:22.910 these things and this if it has any moments at 00:22:22.910 --> 00:22:24.789 all it's allowed to think about it or just fixate 00:22:24.789 --> 00:22:27.589 on it and be like keep trying to work it out 00:22:27.589 --> 00:22:30.190 I quite enjoy that that's that's one of the things 00:22:30.190 --> 00:22:31.950 that I actually really enjoy about family history 00:22:31.950 --> 00:22:34.680 it's like if i'm doing it and i do it and it's 00:22:34.680 --> 00:22:37.720 fine it's all ticked off i forget about it you 00:22:37.720 --> 00:22:40.460 know it's logged it's on the tree it's done but 00:22:40.460 --> 00:22:42.500 when a mystery comes up or some something that's 00:22:42.500 --> 00:22:46.680 a bit involving he's suddenly like just sat thinking 00:22:46.680 --> 00:22:48.660 about it like it's a puzzle or like i'll mention 00:22:48.660 --> 00:22:51.480 it to my mom or my auntie or someone they'll 00:22:51.480 --> 00:22:53.880 come back later on randomly like half it's like 00:22:53.880 --> 00:22:55.140 we're halfway through a conversation that we 00:22:55.140 --> 00:22:56.960 weren't having and they'll just blurt something 00:22:56.960 --> 00:22:59.599 out all right yeah that's that's useful i like 00:23:00.079 --> 00:23:02.519 I like it when it just sort of ruminates. It's 00:23:02.519 --> 00:23:07.119 cool. I definitely like that. I think maybe I 00:23:07.119 --> 00:23:09.599 should be a little bit more determined about 00:23:09.599 --> 00:23:14.359 actually getting an end result. I think I spend 00:23:14.359 --> 00:23:17.980 a lot of time faffing and ruminating and I should 00:23:17.980 --> 00:23:20.660 be a little bit more clear -headed. Like if I 00:23:20.660 --> 00:23:22.579 was a professional researcher and you were my 00:23:22.579 --> 00:23:25.000 client and I was just racking up the hours, you'd 00:23:25.000 --> 00:23:29.980 be like, oh, it's very extensive. Whereas when 00:23:29.980 --> 00:23:31.119 it's your own family history, it doesn't really 00:23:31.119 --> 00:23:34.980 matter, does it? Exactly. And you've got to enjoy 00:23:34.980 --> 00:23:37.420 it as well. Yeah. Didn't you say you were going 00:23:37.420 --> 00:23:40.660 to throw this one to AI, though? Didn't I say 00:23:40.660 --> 00:23:42.640 that? I forgot all about that. You said you were 00:23:42.640 --> 00:23:47.339 going to throw in all 80 -odd names and get AI 00:23:47.339 --> 00:23:50.299 to pick it out for you. Ah, interesting. No, 00:23:50.400 --> 00:23:52.599 I haven't done that. I will add it to my to -do 00:23:52.599 --> 00:23:55.180 list and I'll do that. Yeah. I'm not trying to 00:23:55.180 --> 00:23:58.660 make jobs for you. No, well, I mean, AI is supposed 00:23:58.660 --> 00:24:01.200 to be helpful, isn't it? You did say it. Yeah, 00:24:01.220 --> 00:24:04.059 yeah. Okay, I'll do that. Thanks for the reminder. 00:24:04.480 --> 00:24:06.859 Yeah. I've been doing my own special brand of 00:24:06.859 --> 00:24:10.460 AI quality testing. Yeah. Nothing to do with 00:24:10.460 --> 00:24:13.740 family history before I get started. I decided 00:24:13.740 --> 00:24:17.900 to test the quality of AI in a Nathan kind of 00:24:17.900 --> 00:24:22.799 way. So I asked three different AIs the question, 00:24:22.859 --> 00:24:27.849 why a spoon? Why not a knife or an axe? Alexa 00:24:27.849 --> 00:24:29.430 told me that she couldn't help me with my problem. 00:24:30.789 --> 00:24:33.609 ChatGPT told me that it's a very good question 00:24:33.609 --> 00:24:35.549 and it all depends on what job you're doing, 00:24:35.670 --> 00:24:39.329 etc. And it went on and on and on. And Gemini 00:24:39.329 --> 00:24:42.769 says to me, it's because it's dull and it will 00:24:42.769 --> 00:24:45.049 hurt my YouTube, which is the answer I wanted. 00:24:45.829 --> 00:24:48.589 How? Yeah, it was a quote from Robin Hood, Prince 00:24:48.589 --> 00:24:50.730 of Thieves. I was just seeing how knowledgeable 00:24:50.730 --> 00:24:54.339 the AI was within my world of film quoting. But 00:24:54.339 --> 00:24:55.920 it was quite cool to see the three different 00:24:55.920 --> 00:24:59.940 takes on it. But Gem and I was just like, it's 00:24:59.940 --> 00:25:02.380 dull, you idiot. I was like, yes. So it's my 00:25:02.380 --> 00:25:07.339 new best friend. It's supposed to ramble, isn't 00:25:07.339 --> 00:25:09.339 it? Because it's almost like clickbait. It wants 00:25:09.339 --> 00:25:11.819 you to just hang around. Well, chat GPT got there 00:25:11.819 --> 00:25:13.519 in the end. It was like, oh, Nathan, I know what 00:25:13.519 --> 00:25:15.779 you're talking about here. And it started talking 00:25:15.779 --> 00:25:17.920 about the difference in the quality of various 00:25:17.920 --> 00:25:20.490 utensils. And I was like. I'm not sure you do 00:25:20.490 --> 00:25:22.309 know what I'm talking about. I was actually talking 00:25:22.309 --> 00:25:24.549 about robbing the Prince of Thieves. And then 00:25:24.549 --> 00:25:26.789 it was like, oh, my mistake, my fault. I get 00:25:26.789 --> 00:25:30.069 it now. Such a great line. Leave it alone, chat 00:25:30.069 --> 00:25:35.329 GPT. You know Gemini. So do you use Gemini more? 00:25:35.369 --> 00:25:40.210 Does Gemini know you better? Not at all. Of all 00:25:40.210 --> 00:25:41.710 of them, it's the one I use the least. I probably 00:25:41.710 --> 00:25:43.910 just use it to make like egg timers and that's 00:25:43.910 --> 00:25:47.859 it. Or if my children ask me random questions 00:25:47.859 --> 00:25:49.519 and I'm out and about and I don't know the answer, 00:25:49.619 --> 00:25:54.380 I'm more likely to film quote to chat GPT. It 00:25:54.380 --> 00:25:55.940 should be better on it by now then, shouldn't 00:25:55.940 --> 00:26:00.279 it? Well, it should, yeah. Very upsetting. But 00:26:00.279 --> 00:26:03.660 yeah, much love for Gemini. Interesting. Yeah, 00:26:03.720 --> 00:26:06.319 zero help to anyone at all, but that's my quality 00:26:06.319 --> 00:26:09.039 control. That's how I work. Well, I think that 00:26:09.039 --> 00:26:10.880 is a good idea to do quality control because 00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:12.559 then when you really need to use it for serious 00:26:12.559 --> 00:26:16.240 things, you... know some of its foibles it's 00:26:16.240 --> 00:26:20.319 a good idea yeah i've been like reading into 00:26:20.319 --> 00:26:23.579 ai a little bit recently like i know we talk 00:26:23.579 --> 00:26:25.240 about it quite a lot but like the whole thing 00:26:25.240 --> 00:26:27.740 about there's a lot of stuff about art and creative 00:26:27.740 --> 00:26:30.900 stuff and saying like ai actually has no intent 00:26:30.900 --> 00:26:34.619 ai will not go and create art without some human 00:26:34.619 --> 00:26:38.680 person telling it to do so it can make you something 00:26:39.950 --> 00:26:42.029 But you have to tell it, you have to direct it. 00:26:42.069 --> 00:26:44.910 So the intent then becomes from the human. And 00:26:44.910 --> 00:26:47.849 that's been like one aspect of it, saying it's 00:26:47.849 --> 00:26:50.609 been created by a human, therefore it still is 00:26:50.609 --> 00:26:55.329 an art because it's been directed by a hand, 00:26:55.569 --> 00:26:58.609 a human hand. And then I read another thing where 00:26:58.609 --> 00:27:01.470 somebody said, if somebody got in a car and drove 00:27:01.470 --> 00:27:04.670 26 .2 miles, you would not congratulate them 00:27:04.670 --> 00:27:09.319 for doing a marathon, which is very true. because 00:27:09.319 --> 00:27:11.799 they haven't done the long work it's not very 00:27:11.799 --> 00:27:14.259 interesting i'm flossing it it won't it's very 00:27:14.259 --> 00:27:17.599 very interesting no it is it is really interesting 00:27:17.599 --> 00:27:21.160 it's very hard to try and pin it down because 00:27:21.160 --> 00:27:23.900 you know we blame ai we're getting really off 00:27:23.900 --> 00:27:25.859 topic but we blame ai for lots of things but 00:27:25.859 --> 00:27:29.200 the really sinister things like creating weapons 00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:34.380 deep fakes um all of that stuff is that a human 00:27:34.380 --> 00:27:36.740 has thought of that first and then thought how 00:27:36.740 --> 00:27:41.339 can i use ai to help me do my misdemeanors, criminal 00:27:41.339 --> 00:27:44.519 activity, whatever it is, faster and better. 00:27:44.940 --> 00:27:49.720 Yeah. So AI is just exacerbating all of our qualities 00:27:49.720 --> 00:27:54.460 and our bad points. Definitely. I think my biggest 00:27:54.460 --> 00:27:56.519 fear is that it's just going to make us all stupid. 00:27:57.880 --> 00:28:01.079 Like, it's so easy to go to AI for the answer 00:28:01.079 --> 00:28:05.059 or go to AI to create X, Y, and Z instead of 00:28:05.059 --> 00:28:06.500 actually sitting there and doing it yourself. 00:28:07.160 --> 00:28:09.000 And there is going to be a point where the younger 00:28:09.000 --> 00:28:12.220 generations, wow, I'm old now, the younger generations 00:28:12.220 --> 00:28:15.220 are going to just naturally use AI without thinking 00:28:15.220 --> 00:28:17.480 about it. It's just going to be how they operate 00:28:17.480 --> 00:28:20.539 and how they quote -unquote create whatever it 00:28:20.539 --> 00:28:22.880 is they're doing. I don't think it's going to 00:28:22.880 --> 00:28:26.119 make humans stupid. And I wish I could remember 00:28:26.119 --> 00:28:27.920 this, but years ago I read in an actual paper 00:28:27.920 --> 00:28:30.880 book and it was a quote by a Greek philosopher 00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:32.740 who I can never remember who it is. And I have 00:28:32.740 --> 00:28:35.180 never read any proper Greek philosophy. So it 00:28:35.180 --> 00:28:37.279 was a modern day author quoting this person. 00:28:37.579 --> 00:28:40.500 And it's when I think when Slates came in. So 00:28:40.500 --> 00:28:44.220 when there had been oratory into the great. orators 00:28:44.220 --> 00:28:46.579 were used to the fact of how you discuss things 00:28:46.579 --> 00:28:48.460 and pass on information all of that is verbally 00:28:48.460 --> 00:28:50.579 and they thought oh if we start writing it down 00:28:50.579 --> 00:28:52.019 our brains are going to turn to mush and ever 00:28:52.019 --> 00:28:53.700 since then whenever there's been a technological 00:28:53.700 --> 00:28:55.920 development we've always gone oh don't do it 00:28:55.920 --> 00:28:57.660 our brains are going to turn to mush and back 00:28:57.660 --> 00:28:59.299 when you were just talking about your granddad 00:28:59.299 --> 00:29:02.319 saying um should be or shouldn't you and how 00:29:02.319 --> 00:29:04.019 should we use a computer at work back in the 00:29:04.019 --> 00:29:05.839 1950s and they're all like oh we're going to 00:29:05.839 --> 00:29:07.099 forget our maths and our brains are going to 00:29:07.099 --> 00:29:08.819 turn to mush and then now we're doing the same 00:29:08.819 --> 00:29:11.900 thing with ai so I don't think our brains will 00:29:11.900 --> 00:29:14.920 necessarily turn to mush. But all of us, how 00:29:14.920 --> 00:29:20.259 we use the internet is a tool that we can use 00:29:20.259 --> 00:29:22.539 skillfully or not. And as family historians, 00:29:22.839 --> 00:29:25.400 I think we've probably made ourselves, there 00:29:25.400 --> 00:29:27.160 might be lots of mistakes on online trees and 00:29:27.160 --> 00:29:29.259 everyone's mistakes on their online trees, unless 00:29:29.259 --> 00:29:31.220 your online tree is private, is there for everyone 00:29:31.220 --> 00:29:33.900 else to see and critique. But I think our quality 00:29:33.900 --> 00:29:36.140 of our research, there's a good chance it's become 00:29:36.140 --> 00:29:39.339 a lot more detailed. and a lot more nuanced, 00:29:39.359 --> 00:29:42.059 and we can learn skills of other family historians 00:29:42.059 --> 00:29:48.839 quite readily by going to lectures by expert 00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:52.019 genealogists from all over the world, by getting 00:29:52.019 --> 00:29:54.700 help on forums and getting lots of information. 00:29:55.660 --> 00:29:58.200 So I think it can make us more sophisticated 00:29:58.200 --> 00:30:03.779 thinkers. Yeah, I hope so. I guess my theory 00:30:03.779 --> 00:30:05.559 is that thing where... you no longer need to 00:30:05.559 --> 00:30:07.500 retain information because you can just ask the 00:30:07.500 --> 00:30:09.720 computer. And it's the same with the internet. 00:30:09.740 --> 00:30:11.680 It's not just AI, is it? But it is that thing. 00:30:11.900 --> 00:30:15.319 I remember at university, me and my friends, 00:30:15.599 --> 00:30:19.099 we were out and it's a random thing. We were 00:30:19.099 --> 00:30:22.019 trying to remember a character from Ghostbusters 00:30:22.019 --> 00:30:25.019 and we couldn't remember his name. And we spent 00:30:25.019 --> 00:30:27.259 like three or four hours just being out, having 00:30:27.259 --> 00:30:29.019 fun. But every now and again, somebody would 00:30:29.019 --> 00:30:30.640 come back and start randomly shouting a name 00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:34.079 out loud before we could find the answer. Whereas 00:30:34.079 --> 00:30:36.579 now you just go to your phone and have the answer 00:30:36.579 --> 00:30:38.420 within seconds. But that was actually quite a 00:30:38.420 --> 00:30:40.640 fun thing to do back in that day. I mean, clearly 00:30:40.640 --> 00:30:42.460 our brains didn't work at that time anyway. But 00:30:42.460 --> 00:30:45.619 yeah, information is just so readily at hand, 00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:49.940 isn't it? It's intriguing. Yeah. So it will have 00:30:49.940 --> 00:30:54.339 negative effects too, but I think in some respects 00:30:54.339 --> 00:30:57.319 it will have no effect and some respects it's 00:30:57.319 --> 00:30:59.799 going to have good impacts on our brains. Is 00:30:59.799 --> 00:31:02.609 that to us to be a bit more... autonomous or 00:31:02.609 --> 00:31:05.890 like proactive not just be passively go oh well 00:31:05.890 --> 00:31:08.150 there we go my brain's just getting mushy now 00:31:08.150 --> 00:31:19.829 yeah anyway speaking of brilliant brains then 00:31:19.829 --> 00:31:23.549 a lovely podcast listener neil he's um written 00:31:23.549 --> 00:31:25.769 in and it is impressive what he's done nathan 00:31:25.769 --> 00:31:27.730 do you want to have a look go on then let's go 00:31:27.730 --> 00:31:29.950 through this what's he done and why has he done 00:31:29.950 --> 00:31:34.210 it if you have a look Yeah. Okay. So I'm going 00:31:34.210 --> 00:31:41.250 to find his email. So Neil says, as we know, 00:31:41.349 --> 00:31:44.230 he's been trying to improve his tree and his 00:31:44.230 --> 00:31:46.309 tree is already amazing. He's always buying with 00:31:46.309 --> 00:31:49.329 Nathan with a very good tree score and he has 00:31:49.329 --> 00:31:51.529 actually reached that elite status. Sorry, Nathan, 00:31:51.589 --> 00:31:52.930 I know we've mentioned it before, but anyway, 00:31:52.930 --> 00:31:56.170 we're mentioning it again. Neil talks about how 00:31:56.170 --> 00:31:59.089 he generally goes about his family history. So 00:31:59.089 --> 00:32:01.490 Neil's general go -to method has always started 00:32:01.490 --> 00:32:04.009 with an individual. He's looked through the hints. 00:32:04.009 --> 00:32:06.529 This is on ancestry. Looked at what other people 00:32:06.529 --> 00:32:09.650 have done, accepted none of those hints as fact, 00:32:09.829 --> 00:32:13.710 but simply used them as pointers. And then he's 00:32:13.710 --> 00:32:16.450 gone from the search directly from an individual. 00:32:16.509 --> 00:32:17.990 You know, when you're on their profile and then 00:32:17.990 --> 00:32:19.490 just kind of below their profile name, it says 00:32:19.490 --> 00:32:22.500 search on ancestry. Yeah. then drilled out by 00:32:22.500 --> 00:32:24.500 adding more and more search parameters. And so 00:32:24.500 --> 00:32:28.099 far, this has stood him in good stead. And he 00:32:28.099 --> 00:32:30.859 says, but he has been a bit sniffy about the 00:32:30.859 --> 00:32:35.339 use of the card catalogue. Oh, Helen, your favourite. 00:32:36.519 --> 00:32:40.160 Perish the thought. He's been a bit sniffy because 00:32:40.160 --> 00:32:42.500 he says that surely his method would give him 00:32:42.500 --> 00:32:45.299 what he needed. But now he admits that he was 00:32:45.299 --> 00:32:49.329 wrong. And it only gives you... His method only 00:32:49.329 --> 00:32:51.589 gives you what the algorithm wants to give you. 00:32:51.650 --> 00:32:56.890 To quote Nathan, oh boy. Oh boy. So what he's 00:32:56.890 --> 00:32:59.650 been trying to do, he's now been using the card 00:32:59.650 --> 00:33:01.849 catalogue to try and find out more about his 00:33:01.849 --> 00:33:05.789 Abel family from Hadley in Devon before 1812. 00:33:06.569 --> 00:33:11.069 And he's been doing searches with the card catalogue, 00:33:11.130 --> 00:33:13.509 gathering together lots of potential records, 00:33:13.710 --> 00:33:17.049 and he's... been pasting them into an Excel sheet 00:33:17.049 --> 00:33:21.150 and he's trying to find out how his DNA fits 00:33:21.150 --> 00:33:24.630 with this early 19th century research. And he's 00:33:24.630 --> 00:33:28.029 made this incredible Excel sheet. It's got loads 00:33:28.029 --> 00:33:30.490 of tabs. He's extracted all this information. 00:33:31.170 --> 00:33:33.849 He's sorted them into families. He's made an 00:33:33.849 --> 00:33:36.130 amazing family tree. And you know what's even 00:33:36.130 --> 00:33:38.750 better, Nathan? As long as you're willing, he 00:33:38.750 --> 00:33:41.450 says we're able to include this Excel on the 00:33:41.450 --> 00:33:45.210 podcast page. of our website and then other people 00:33:45.210 --> 00:33:47.549 can take a look at what he's done okay yeah that'd 00:33:47.549 --> 00:33:49.710 be cool it's really good i would really recommend 00:33:49.710 --> 00:33:51.269 people looking at it because he's even done things 00:33:51.269 --> 00:33:54.250 like within excel he's drawn up a beautiful family 00:33:54.250 --> 00:33:57.009 tree just manually it's quite the opposite of 00:33:57.009 --> 00:34:02.130 ai it's just lovely right in excel yes yes okay 00:34:02.130 --> 00:34:06.549 cool it's very neat very organized yes so if 00:34:06.549 --> 00:34:09.269 anyone has a look at it and then wants to share 00:34:09.269 --> 00:34:12.230 their thoughts on it please do so And recently, 00:34:12.530 --> 00:34:14.369 Sophie Cade did this brilliant course for family 00:34:14.369 --> 00:34:17.150 tree, a brick wall bashing course. And one of 00:34:17.150 --> 00:34:19.650 the chaps on there was the extracts method. The 00:34:19.650 --> 00:34:22.110 extracts method is a method which Helen Osborne 00:34:22.110 --> 00:34:24.429 talked about in a book that she wrote about 15 00:34:24.429 --> 00:34:27.969 or 20 years ago about genealogy methods. And 00:34:27.969 --> 00:34:31.829 Sophie teaches it really clearly and nicely and 00:34:31.829 --> 00:34:34.969 also covers it in her workbook, which is a little 00:34:34.969 --> 00:34:36.869 plug here, for sale on the family tree website. 00:34:37.210 --> 00:34:40.190 And the idea is when you're stuck with a problem. 00:34:40.619 --> 00:34:42.940 Sometimes you might have a lot of information, 00:34:43.019 --> 00:34:44.179 sometimes you might have a little information, 00:34:44.340 --> 00:34:48.400 but unless you cast a wide net and get a comprehensive 00:34:48.400 --> 00:34:51.619 large amount of information and then you can 00:34:51.619 --> 00:34:54.659 use that to know that you're not overlooking 00:34:54.659 --> 00:34:57.320 something and you can gradually sort out which 00:34:57.320 --> 00:35:00.079 bits are relevant to you. So that's what Neil's 00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:01.900 done. He's basically done the extracts method. 00:35:02.059 --> 00:35:04.500 He's working on it to try and make sense of his 00:35:04.500 --> 00:35:06.769 problem. And that's what I did as well on my 00:35:06.769 --> 00:35:08.670 Excel sheet, like gathering lots of information, 00:35:08.909 --> 00:35:11.170 growing it all down into one place. Because when 00:35:11.170 --> 00:35:12.630 you're just dealing with search results on a 00:35:12.630 --> 00:35:15.929 website, it's a bit like snacking, isn't it? 00:35:16.469 --> 00:35:19.710 Yeah. Well, it makes me feel, again, similar 00:35:19.710 --> 00:35:23.409 to the AI conversation, it makes me feel a little 00:35:23.409 --> 00:35:26.030 bit lazy because I'm probably very guilty of 00:35:26.030 --> 00:35:28.329 using the hints and taking what they give me. 00:35:28.369 --> 00:35:30.369 Because obviously you've again said to use the 00:35:30.369 --> 00:35:33.309 catalogs and I will shy away from that and just 00:35:33.309 --> 00:35:36.519 take what I'm given. you guys with your excel 00:35:36.519 --> 00:35:40.159 documents it's much more thorough well i mean 00:35:40.159 --> 00:35:43.199 sometimes sometimes everything seems to be falling 00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:46.340 into place and it's okay isn't it to to not choose 00:35:46.340 --> 00:35:48.860 the hard path but when you get when you're faced 00:35:48.860 --> 00:35:50.659 with an obstacle and you just can't see your 00:35:50.659 --> 00:35:53.159 way through it then that's when you need to yeah 00:35:53.159 --> 00:35:56.559 be really methodical and just do that equally 00:35:56.559 --> 00:35:59.699 when i get one of those hard paths i'll um find 00:35:59.699 --> 00:36:01.940 a different hint for a different person on ancestry 00:36:01.940 --> 00:36:05.610 and go off on that tangent instead which is naughty 00:36:05.610 --> 00:36:08.289 and a little bit lazy. So you have to stick with 00:36:08.289 --> 00:36:10.909 these things, don't you? But then also, Nathan, 00:36:10.969 --> 00:36:16.510 so I, five, six years ago, did, you know, pulled 00:36:16.510 --> 00:36:18.469 out all of these names into a massive big list, 00:36:18.530 --> 00:36:21.070 started sorting them out and then got stuck at 00:36:21.070 --> 00:36:22.230 that point. I was like, so what am I going to 00:36:22.230 --> 00:36:26.909 do with them now? Yeah. So it's all very well. 00:36:28.299 --> 00:36:31.340 doing something, but there's a lot of work. So 00:36:31.340 --> 00:36:32.579 I still haven't actually reached any further 00:36:32.579 --> 00:36:34.659 forward. I've done some work towards a solution, 00:36:34.760 --> 00:36:38.380 but I haven't got a solution. Right. Good that 00:36:38.380 --> 00:36:42.059 you did it though. Thanks. Well done. I'll keep 00:36:42.059 --> 00:36:45.559 going. I'll keep going. Yeah. I have to say, 00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:47.400 I feel like a kid in a candy store at the moment. 00:36:47.500 --> 00:36:50.539 Like when I'm doing one thing, I want to be doing 00:36:50.539 --> 00:36:52.880 the other thing. What you guys are talking about 00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:55.239 and doing and like the names and days. Now I'm 00:36:55.239 --> 00:36:57.320 like. I want to get names and dates. Whereas 00:36:57.320 --> 00:36:59.480 when I'm doing names and dates, I'm like, I want 00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:02.840 to find texture and detail. But when I'm on, 00:37:02.860 --> 00:37:05.920 I always want to be doing the opposite. And literally, 00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:08.199 as we've been talking, surprisingly, I've opened 00:37:08.199 --> 00:37:11.699 my tree on Ancestry and I'm like, I like some 00:37:11.699 --> 00:37:13.340 of these names. I'd like to get further back 00:37:13.340 --> 00:37:17.159 with these names. But yeah. Different head spaces 00:37:17.159 --> 00:37:20.940 in different sections of our day, we can do different 00:37:20.940 --> 00:37:25.329 things. So personally, I couldn't ever. do any 00:37:25.329 --> 00:37:27.670 family history research on my phone in an app 00:37:27.670 --> 00:37:30.969 I couldn't properly I can do it on my iPad it's 00:37:30.969 --> 00:37:33.130 a bit bigger but I couldn't just sit there how 00:37:33.130 --> 00:37:35.329 you sometimes do stuff on the bus on your phone 00:37:35.329 --> 00:37:38.090 my head just can't cope with that I need to be 00:37:38.090 --> 00:37:40.989 on my computer or at least on my iPad to be able 00:37:40.989 --> 00:37:43.309 to do actual concrete family history whereas 00:37:43.309 --> 00:37:45.369 the kind of more whimsical or local history side 00:37:45.369 --> 00:37:47.250 then you and you just basically keep your own 00:37:47.250 --> 00:37:49.829 googling stuff and going down serious rabbit 00:37:49.829 --> 00:37:52.010 holes all over the place that's really easy just 00:37:52.010 --> 00:37:54.289 to snatch moments here or there on your phone, 00:37:54.369 --> 00:37:57.130 keep the tab open so that next time you're waiting 00:37:57.130 --> 00:37:58.809 in the queue at Sainsbury's or whatever it is, 00:37:58.889 --> 00:38:00.869 you can just put it up again, never be bored 00:38:00.869 --> 00:38:04.050 and carry on rabbit holing. Then that's possible 00:38:04.050 --> 00:38:06.730 to kind of snack on and grab moments, isn't it? 00:38:06.829 --> 00:38:09.590 If you're trying to do something like a detective. 00:38:10.170 --> 00:38:12.050 I think I just want to do what everybody else 00:38:12.050 --> 00:38:16.329 is doing. I think we all want that. I'm just 00:38:16.329 --> 00:38:17.710 doing something and then I hear what you are 00:38:17.710 --> 00:38:20.449 doing. I want to do this instead. Then I'll go 00:38:20.449 --> 00:38:21.949 do that and then I'll want to do something else. 00:38:23.280 --> 00:38:25.820 I think we all do that. You know, we had an incredible 00:38:25.820 --> 00:38:30.460 speaker at Study Club this month in Family Tree. 00:38:30.820 --> 00:38:34.139 And he is a Dutch guy and he's called Peter Dentek. 00:38:34.500 --> 00:38:37.320 And when I heard what he was doing, I said, I 00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:40.219 want to do that too. So basically, you can watch. 00:38:40.260 --> 00:38:41.800 So if you're a member of Family Tree Plus or 00:38:41.800 --> 00:38:43.300 a subscriber to Family Tree, you can go into 00:38:43.300 --> 00:38:45.699 the Family Tree website and you can view the 00:38:45.699 --> 00:38:48.340 recording. So scroll back 15 or so years ago, 00:38:48.480 --> 00:38:51.780 he was doing archaeology with a metal detector. 00:38:52.590 --> 00:38:54.610 in holland with his daughter they were looking 00:38:54.610 --> 00:38:56.809 for roman remains like little pots and things 00:38:56.809 --> 00:38:58.570 like that and they stumbled across this bullet 00:38:58.570 --> 00:39:03.130 casing and the bullet casing said um re on it 00:39:03.130 --> 00:39:07.010 43 and so he investigated that and it was remington 00:39:07.010 --> 00:39:09.969 i think it was re remington engineering 1943 00:39:09.969 --> 00:39:11.869 and it's like why would there be an american 00:39:11.869 --> 00:39:14.269 bullet casing in this random field near where 00:39:14.269 --> 00:39:17.409 i live in holland unravel unravel he did loads 00:39:17.409 --> 00:39:20.320 of rabbit holing and he discovered that there 00:39:20.320 --> 00:39:24.460 had been 6 ,000 Allied planes. I think they were 00:39:24.460 --> 00:39:26.079 just Allied, but they might have been both sides, 00:39:26.199 --> 00:39:28.480 but Allied or Maxis, but potentially just Allied 00:39:28.480 --> 00:39:31.500 planes shot down over Holland in the Second World 00:39:31.500 --> 00:39:34.059 War or crash landed. Yeah, they shot down or 00:39:34.059 --> 00:39:36.920 crash landed. And within his little local area, 00:39:37.099 --> 00:39:39.699 just a few miles, there were loads of them. So 00:39:39.699 --> 00:39:42.219 he started investigating it more and more. He's 00:39:42.219 --> 00:39:45.000 found the crash sites for the planes. He's... 00:39:45.210 --> 00:39:47.510 been researching the servicemen who lost their 00:39:47.510 --> 00:39:50.010 lives or who were taken prisoners of war. He's 00:39:50.010 --> 00:39:52.590 traced their descendants and their families. 00:39:52.869 --> 00:39:56.610 He's made memorial boards to the servicemen who've 00:39:56.610 --> 00:40:01.670 died and he's created a museum with loads of 00:40:01.670 --> 00:40:03.889 artefacts for the local people and the memorial 00:40:03.889 --> 00:40:06.530 people. So there's a museum now in Holland in 00:40:06.530 --> 00:40:09.909 an old fort. He's been given a knighthood by 00:40:09.909 --> 00:40:13.630 the Dutch royal family for his work. He's created 00:40:13.630 --> 00:40:16.230 a cycle route between all these memorial boards. 00:40:16.409 --> 00:40:19.369 I mean, what a guy. And he works full time. He's 00:40:19.369 --> 00:40:21.949 done this as a volunteer in his spare time. That's 00:40:21.949 --> 00:40:23.909 bonkers. That's a serious rabbit hole, isn't 00:40:23.909 --> 00:40:27.309 it there? It's a serious rabbit hole. And it's 00:40:27.309 --> 00:40:31.590 such a moving story. Normally, Study Club is 00:40:31.590 --> 00:40:34.690 quite a chatty environment. And normally, everybody 00:40:34.690 --> 00:40:37.570 is butting in in a good way. And we all want 00:40:37.570 --> 00:40:39.769 to talk over each other. And everyone has a lot 00:40:39.769 --> 00:40:42.360 to say. And by the end of his talk. There was 00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:45.039 a stunned silence. No one really wanted to talk. 00:40:45.179 --> 00:40:46.760 Lots of people were just putting in their comments. 00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:49.780 That was very moving. And we were all either 00:40:49.780 --> 00:40:51.719 in tears or on the edge of tears. It was, I've 00:40:51.719 --> 00:40:54.699 never heard anything like it. Wow. He's just 00:40:54.699 --> 00:40:57.719 a remarkable guy. I mean, that's amazing, isn't 00:40:57.719 --> 00:41:01.000 it? That's, yeah, that's a lot to go from just 00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:04.539 one bullet case into a full museum. I know. In 00:41:04.539 --> 00:41:08.039 only about 15 years. And all, they had some of 00:41:08.039 --> 00:41:11.210 the people who were... descendants who he traced 00:41:11.210 --> 00:41:14.670 they were there at the study club meeting oh 00:41:14.670 --> 00:41:18.809 that's lovely i know because he's such a dedicated 00:41:18.809 --> 00:41:21.469 person i think anybody who comes across him in 00:41:21.469 --> 00:41:24.230 their life just basically becomes a devotee of 00:41:24.230 --> 00:41:29.750 him he's so impressive and yeah just his his 00:41:29.750 --> 00:41:32.469 will and determination to see that all of the 00:41:32.469 --> 00:41:34.190 servicemen get honored and remembered is just 00:41:34.190 --> 00:41:37.010 so passionate and he's just not deterred by anything 00:41:37.670 --> 00:41:40.070 Yeah, clearly not. That's amazing. It's really 00:41:40.070 --> 00:41:42.230 amazing. I think you'd actually really enjoy 00:41:42.230 --> 00:41:44.170 the talk song, Nathan, because of what you're, 00:41:44.170 --> 00:41:47.690 anything to do with planes as well, even if it's, 00:41:47.690 --> 00:41:49.190 these are obviously tragic stories, but it's 00:41:49.190 --> 00:41:51.389 still fascinating. I don't like things that make 00:41:51.389 --> 00:41:54.010 me cry, though. No, it might make you cry. I'm 00:41:54.010 --> 00:41:57.389 quite an emotional guy. Yes. Yes, it might make 00:41:57.389 --> 00:42:00.150 you cry. Yeah, I do like airplanes. I will give 00:42:00.150 --> 00:42:02.650 it a watch. That does sound fascinating. That's 00:42:02.650 --> 00:42:05.869 amazing. What we all do is fascinating family 00:42:05.869 --> 00:42:07.949 histories. And then sometimes you come across 00:42:07.949 --> 00:42:11.110 a project and you're like, that just knocks the 00:42:11.110 --> 00:42:13.289 socks off. It's very, very good indeed. It's 00:42:13.289 --> 00:42:16.449 crazy. But my motivation now is to get a knighthood 00:42:16.449 --> 00:42:20.510 for doing studies about ghosts in Calvary. Go. 00:42:20.849 --> 00:42:25.030 Yeah. I'll get a museum going. Yes. Wow. That's 00:42:25.030 --> 00:42:27.110 just, that's crazy, isn't it? That's like just 00:42:27.110 --> 00:42:30.289 from one fragment of interest. Not just expanding 00:42:30.289 --> 00:42:33.489 it, but like, wow. Yeah, I'm blown away by that. 00:42:33.969 --> 00:42:36.130 He hasn't finished yet as well. He's continuing 00:42:36.130 --> 00:42:39.550 to research more and find more. Yeah, impressive 00:42:39.550 --> 00:42:44.269 stuff. Yeah. So we, back to mundane reality, 00:42:44.570 --> 00:42:47.190 I'm going to carry on with Janet and find out 00:42:47.190 --> 00:42:50.550 who her dad is. Yeah, I decided I'm going to 00:42:50.550 --> 00:42:54.809 research Janet and find out who her dad is because 00:42:54.809 --> 00:42:57.710 that sounds interesting. Just flip hints on Ancestry 00:42:57.710 --> 00:43:00.610 and you'll find who it is. I'll do it in 10 minutes 00:43:00.610 --> 00:43:04.289 on Ancestry and you'll be like, what? No. I am 00:43:04.289 --> 00:43:07.329 going to have a look at the website again for 00:43:07.329 --> 00:43:10.289 the maps and see if I can sort that out. I'd 00:43:10.289 --> 00:43:12.789 like to put a full stop on it for a while there 00:43:12.789 --> 00:43:15.110 because I feel like I am just dawdling a little 00:43:15.110 --> 00:43:17.150 bit. But I do need to write up my information 00:43:17.150 --> 00:43:20.590 about my grandad. And then I am tempted to go 00:43:20.590 --> 00:43:24.570 on this little research rabbit hole about my 00:43:24.570 --> 00:43:26.969 great -great -uncle who might have been involved 00:43:26.969 --> 00:43:30.329 in Concord creation, working on the engines apparently. 00:43:31.179 --> 00:43:32.480 I don't know where to begin on that one because 00:43:32.480 --> 00:43:33.820 I don't know who he is and I don't know much 00:43:33.820 --> 00:43:38.239 about him. So maybe I should park it for now 00:43:38.239 --> 00:43:40.719 because it's so similar to my granddad thing. 00:43:41.059 --> 00:43:42.619 Or maybe I should not. Maybe I should dive in. 00:43:43.219 --> 00:43:46.079 I'm torn. I'll be honest. I've looked at my tree 00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:47.679 and there's a woman on it called Grace Turner. 00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:49.940 And I'm like, that's a fantastic name. I want 00:43:49.940 --> 00:43:51.739 to know more about Grace Turner. And I've got 00:43:51.739 --> 00:43:56.239 no reason to deep dive there. So that's what 00:43:56.239 --> 00:44:00.940 you'll be doing then? No doubt. Okay. There must 00:44:00.940 --> 00:44:03.400 be some... Oh, do you know what? I realise what 00:44:03.400 --> 00:44:05.280 it is now. It's always pop culture references 00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:08.500 for me. Forget about it. It's reminding me of 00:44:08.500 --> 00:44:10.980 Pirates of the Caribbean, that's why. Anyway, 00:44:11.039 --> 00:44:15.239 carry on. Have a good week, everybody. See you 00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:17.320 later. Happy researching. Bye.