WEBVTT 00:00:06.209 --> 00:00:09.109 Hi everybody and welcome to Family Tree Talk, 00:00:09.230 --> 00:00:11.630 your favourite family history podcast. I'm your 00:00:11.630 --> 00:00:15.410 co -host Nathan and with me as always is... Helen 00:00:15.410 --> 00:00:18.670 Tuffy. Hiya Helen, how are you doing? I'm really 00:00:18.670 --> 00:00:20.710 well thanks, yeah, how are you? I'm good thank 00:00:20.710 --> 00:00:22.609 you. It's miserable weather but I'm still quite 00:00:22.609 --> 00:00:24.850 cheery so that's good. Yeah, it's good as well 00:00:24.850 --> 00:00:26.089 when it's miserable weather because then you 00:00:26.089 --> 00:00:28.489 have a good excuse to stay indoors. You don't 00:00:28.489 --> 00:00:30.910 have to do any gardening. You can skip out on 00:00:30.910 --> 00:00:33.049 that run. Just do a bit more family history. 00:00:33.429 --> 00:00:36.310 Exactly. Yeah, it lends itself perfectly to do 00:00:36.310 --> 00:00:39.340 a bit of research, doesn't it? Yes. So I just 00:00:39.340 --> 00:00:41.259 want to do a quick shout out. This is kind of 00:00:41.259 --> 00:00:42.820 like a joke because I think it would be funny. 00:00:43.000 --> 00:00:45.240 So the other week we gave a shout out to Tony 00:00:45.240 --> 00:00:49.399 who had messaged in and we said about he was 00:00:49.399 --> 00:00:51.200 driving. He listened to something like this. 00:00:51.219 --> 00:00:52.780 He listened to the podcast driving in his car. 00:00:52.880 --> 00:00:55.039 Anyway, he had the shout out while he was driving 00:00:55.039 --> 00:00:56.840 in his car. So he's emailed to say that he had 00:00:56.840 --> 00:00:57.899 the shout out while he was driving in his car. 00:00:58.000 --> 00:00:59.659 So I'm just giving you another shout out. It 00:00:59.659 --> 00:01:00.920 would be so funny if he's driving in his car 00:01:00.920 --> 00:01:03.219 again listening to us. Great. I hope he wasn't 00:01:03.219 --> 00:01:05.209 driving whilst he sent the email though. Yes, 00:01:05.310 --> 00:01:06.989 and I'm sure he wasn't. It's just the listening, 00:01:07.069 --> 00:01:10.810 the listening. Yeah. Just been silly. Yeah, yes. 00:01:11.409 --> 00:01:15.750 So how's your family history week gone? Not well, 00:01:15.870 --> 00:01:18.250 I'll be perfectly honest. I've done very, very 00:01:18.250 --> 00:01:21.609 little. I'm still floundering. I'm not sure what 00:01:21.609 --> 00:01:24.849 I want to do next. I think I need a bit of focus. 00:01:25.689 --> 00:01:27.709 It's tricky. I feel like I'm going around in 00:01:27.709 --> 00:01:29.670 circles and I apologise for saying this out loud 00:01:29.670 --> 00:01:34.159 again, but I got so bored. I wasn't bored. But 00:01:34.159 --> 00:01:37.219 I was so in the mindset of getting the names 00:01:37.219 --> 00:01:40.079 and the numbers, it became a bit too admin -like. 00:01:40.480 --> 00:01:42.579 And then obviously all the excitement of the 00:01:42.579 --> 00:01:45.859 Alexander McKay, that was great. And I want another 00:01:45.859 --> 00:01:48.379 one of those. Obviously, you can't manufacture 00:01:48.379 --> 00:01:51.340 these things, can you? So I'm just going to have 00:01:51.340 --> 00:01:53.379 to choose a research task and then hope it's 00:01:53.379 --> 00:01:55.000 going to give me a rabbit hole to get lost in 00:01:55.000 --> 00:01:57.459 instead of actually trying to conjure one up 00:01:57.459 --> 00:02:00.900 out of nowhere. I was chatting to Matt the other 00:02:00.900 --> 00:02:02.859 day about some research projects we're going 00:02:02.859 --> 00:02:05.400 to do with Family Tree magazine. And this is 00:02:05.400 --> 00:02:07.879 unusual for us because normally our work is very 00:02:07.879 --> 00:02:09.780 much putting together things for the magazine, 00:02:10.020 --> 00:02:13.259 putting together workbooks. We never do any of 00:02:13.259 --> 00:02:16.800 our own family history in work time. Family history 00:02:16.800 --> 00:02:18.840 isn't part of something that we actually do. 00:02:18.939 --> 00:02:20.599 You might go to the FamilySearch website and 00:02:20.599 --> 00:02:23.139 take screen grabs for something. And if we're 00:02:23.139 --> 00:02:24.580 lucky, we could be searching on our ancestor 00:02:24.580 --> 00:02:27.439 to get those screen grabs. Family history is 00:02:27.439 --> 00:02:30.439 part of our hobby time, not our work time. But 00:02:30.439 --> 00:02:31.840 anyway, these projects that we're going to work 00:02:31.840 --> 00:02:33.659 on with Matt potentially, they're going to be 00:02:33.659 --> 00:02:35.219 some house histories. And he's like, well, how 00:02:35.219 --> 00:02:37.979 long is it going to take, Helen? And what are 00:02:37.979 --> 00:02:41.199 we going to find out? And it's just really fun 00:02:41.199 --> 00:02:43.840 talking about it because that's the thing. When 00:02:43.840 --> 00:02:46.039 you do a family history project, you don't know 00:02:46.039 --> 00:02:48.139 how long it's going to take. You could say, I'm 00:02:48.139 --> 00:02:50.199 going to spend five hours on it. But what you're 00:02:50.199 --> 00:02:51.919 going to find in those five hours could be a 00:02:51.919 --> 00:02:55.300 wealth of things or very little. And so you don't 00:02:55.300 --> 00:02:56.780 know how long it's going to take to get something 00:02:56.780 --> 00:02:59.580 good. And you don't know what you're going to 00:02:59.580 --> 00:03:02.780 find. You can't ever promise anything. It sounds 00:03:02.780 --> 00:03:04.439 like fishing, doesn't it? You can sit there all 00:03:04.439 --> 00:03:08.719 day waiting and nothing. Yes. So I've given him 00:03:08.719 --> 00:03:10.740 an answer that I don't know what any readers 00:03:10.740 --> 00:03:12.240 would think about this. I'd be interested to 00:03:12.240 --> 00:03:14.159 know. So obviously, I'm not a house historian. 00:03:14.159 --> 00:03:16.159 I'm a family historian, first and foremost. But 00:03:16.159 --> 00:03:18.389 lots of the records that we use for... Family 00:03:18.389 --> 00:03:20.169 history, just a quick one on one in case anybody 00:03:20.169 --> 00:03:22.689 is new to house history, is exactly the same 00:03:22.689 --> 00:03:24.349 as you'd use for house history. So you're going 00:03:24.349 --> 00:03:26.550 to be using maps, you're going to be using census, 00:03:26.870 --> 00:03:29.789 trade directories, newspapers, all of the things 00:03:29.789 --> 00:03:32.870 which pertain to a street or a house or if it's 00:03:32.870 --> 00:03:35.110 a house history, obviously could be a school 00:03:35.110 --> 00:03:37.569 history or anything, couldn't it? So it's the 00:03:37.569 --> 00:03:39.050 same records, but you're just looking at it from 00:03:39.050 --> 00:03:41.090 a different perspective. And it can feel a bit 00:03:41.090 --> 00:03:43.650 harder to track down the records because you 00:03:43.650 --> 00:03:45.389 don't necessarily know who lives there. So you 00:03:45.389 --> 00:03:48.699 can't search on somebody's name. A bit like when 00:03:48.699 --> 00:03:50.039 we search for an ancestor, we don't necessarily 00:03:50.039 --> 00:03:51.879 know where they lived, so the address could be 00:03:51.879 --> 00:03:53.879 a surprise. This time we're trying to search 00:03:53.879 --> 00:03:55.979 an address and the occupants could be a surprise. 00:03:56.120 --> 00:03:58.159 It could be harder to search an address depending 00:03:58.159 --> 00:04:01.900 on what search fields the websites have. Right. 00:04:01.960 --> 00:04:04.340 So it's all these little things. It's just the 00:04:04.340 --> 00:04:07.319 same but slightly different. What is the advantage 00:04:07.319 --> 00:04:09.979 of doing a house history search, though? Well, 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:13.139 for a family historian... We're always saying 00:04:13.139 --> 00:04:15.139 it's not just names and dates. You want to know 00:04:15.139 --> 00:04:17.060 where your ancestors lived. So immediately, as 00:04:17.060 --> 00:04:18.899 soon as you get that first record on them, whether 00:04:18.899 --> 00:04:20.639 it's a birth record or a census or anything, 00:04:20.879 --> 00:04:23.000 it's got an address on there, hasn't it? And 00:04:23.000 --> 00:04:25.980 actually taking a moment to pause and even learn 00:04:25.980 --> 00:04:29.560 the tiniest bit about that house, that dwelling, 00:04:29.699 --> 00:04:32.060 it's going to give you so much insight to their 00:04:32.060 --> 00:04:33.680 family. So let's say you've got the address on 00:04:33.680 --> 00:04:36.759 the census. You just take a moment and go and 00:04:36.759 --> 00:04:38.319 get a map from the National Library of Scotland 00:04:38.319 --> 00:04:45.819 website. was built near the workhouse, built 00:04:45.819 --> 00:04:49.839 near the poor house, built near the railway station, 00:04:50.240 --> 00:04:53.199 built near some smelly factories. And you're 00:04:53.199 --> 00:04:55.120 like, OK, they're at that end of town. Or you 00:04:55.120 --> 00:04:57.980 might find that their house is near a salubrious, 00:04:57.980 --> 00:05:00.600 lovely laid out park in the town. You go, oh, 00:05:00.620 --> 00:05:03.319 well, lucky then they got a better card or whatever. 00:05:03.399 --> 00:05:05.439 So you can just looking at the map, you can get 00:05:05.439 --> 00:05:08.540 a sense of kind of the potential. experience 00:05:08.540 --> 00:05:11.480 what is it a noisy place to live yeah how how 00:05:11.480 --> 00:05:13.339 crowded the housing are looking at several maps 00:05:13.339 --> 00:05:15.339 you can find out has the area changed over time 00:05:15.339 --> 00:05:17.939 right so you sort of get in a texture of their 00:05:17.939 --> 00:05:20.879 daily life a bit better yeah yeah what was happening 00:05:20.879 --> 00:05:24.519 in the world around them nice it's really nice 00:05:24.519 --> 00:05:26.879 and that's the simplest thing you could do so 00:05:26.879 --> 00:05:30.220 just what i guess first of all on the on a birth 00:05:30.220 --> 00:05:31.579 record you're only going to have the address 00:05:31.579 --> 00:05:33.699 it's not going to give you any wider clues as 00:05:33.699 --> 00:05:35.779 to the place you know it might tell you the place 00:05:35.779 --> 00:05:37.459 but it's not going to give you any clues on the 00:05:37.459 --> 00:05:39.839 census though you've got your for most of the 00:05:39.839 --> 00:05:42.699 censuses you're looking at your ancestors household 00:05:42.699 --> 00:05:45.480 plus you're looking at households nearby so if 00:05:45.480 --> 00:05:47.740 you see your ancestors household or they've got 00:05:47.740 --> 00:05:49.779 10 or 11 people living there in that household 00:05:49.779 --> 00:05:53.300 they're obviously that they've got a lot of people 00:05:53.300 --> 00:05:54.759 and maybe some of the other households nearby 00:05:54.759 --> 00:05:57.459 have three people or five people if it's a terraced 00:05:57.459 --> 00:06:00.319 street potentially you know your ancestors are 00:06:00.319 --> 00:06:04.660 living a lot more crowded So you can just, just 00:06:04.660 --> 00:06:06.759 there and then on that page, you can start thinking, 00:06:06.879 --> 00:06:10.759 what can I, what can I tell from this? What's 00:06:10.759 --> 00:06:13.560 it telling me about that actual home? It's more 00:06:13.560 --> 00:06:16.259 than you might imagine. Okay, cool. That does 00:06:16.259 --> 00:06:18.560 sound interesting. I just haven't really made 00:06:18.560 --> 00:06:21.160 that leap yet into, obviously I've started doing 00:06:21.160 --> 00:06:24.180 a little bit of research about Carver, but I've 00:06:24.180 --> 00:06:26.000 actually not really looked into locality and 00:06:26.000 --> 00:06:31.160 daily life aspects of my ancestors yet. And even 00:06:31.160 --> 00:06:34.899 the street names, when we are familiar with a 00:06:34.899 --> 00:06:37.699 place, the street names wash over us and we forget 00:06:37.699 --> 00:06:40.279 that most street names have a meaning, don't 00:06:40.279 --> 00:06:43.420 we? So when it's called something pastures or 00:06:43.420 --> 00:06:45.439 whatever, that was a pasture probably. It might 00:06:45.439 --> 00:06:48.220 not be. It might just be a cute name concocted 00:06:48.220 --> 00:06:51.420 in modern day. But lots of them are named after 00:06:51.420 --> 00:06:54.959 old, when you go back to an old tithe map, say 00:06:54.959 --> 00:06:57.199 from the middle 1800s, and then you might go, 00:06:57.279 --> 00:06:59.930 oh. That's why it's called whatever close, because 00:06:59.930 --> 00:07:01.970 there used to be a field there on the tithe map 00:07:01.970 --> 00:07:04.430 and the fields all had names. It's quite cute, 00:07:04.509 --> 00:07:06.790 isn't it? Now, we probably couldn't name the 00:07:06.790 --> 00:07:09.350 fields near us. You're going to go for a run 00:07:09.350 --> 00:07:11.610 with your GPS. It's not going to have the field 00:07:11.610 --> 00:07:14.470 names on there. No. It's going to have Upper 00:07:14.470 --> 00:07:18.410 Meadow and Watercress Meadow and Cow Lane and 00:07:18.410 --> 00:07:21.370 all these other little agricultural descriptors, 00:07:21.430 --> 00:07:24.990 which the old fields had. It's cute, isn't it? 00:07:25.089 --> 00:07:27.620 It is. I mean, I like that for like... When you 00:07:27.620 --> 00:07:29.279 see you're in a village and it's called Station 00:07:29.279 --> 00:07:30.839 Lane and then at the end of the street there's 00:07:30.839 --> 00:07:32.779 a pub called The Railway, there's the station. 00:07:33.339 --> 00:07:35.139 It's like there's never been one, but obviously 00:07:35.139 --> 00:07:36.759 clearly there must have been. So that is helpful 00:07:36.759 --> 00:07:39.220 to do that sort of research and think, oh my 00:07:39.220 --> 00:07:42.860 word, how different the world was. So back to 00:07:42.860 --> 00:07:44.540 your point, this is, God, what's family history 00:07:44.540 --> 00:07:46.360 like? You say one thing and it's literally like 00:07:46.360 --> 00:07:48.019 a domino journey, but you don't know where the 00:07:48.019 --> 00:07:50.879 domino journey's going. So your point about you 00:07:50.879 --> 00:07:52.779 don't know, you want to find something cool, 00:07:52.860 --> 00:07:54.680 but you don't know how to go about it and you 00:07:54.680 --> 00:07:57.360 just... That's what it's like for all of us. 00:07:57.399 --> 00:07:59.420 You have to just do the research and then sometimes 00:07:59.420 --> 00:08:03.399 you strike it lucky with an interesting chapter 00:08:03.399 --> 00:08:04.980 of somebody's life or an interesting ancestor. 00:08:05.120 --> 00:08:06.300 And sometimes you don't. You have to just keep 00:08:06.300 --> 00:08:09.439 going. Yeah, definitely. I just want to get lost 00:08:09.439 --> 00:08:12.079 in a little bit of a mystery or find some texture. 00:08:12.540 --> 00:08:15.240 And everybody's probably bored about me talking 00:08:15.240 --> 00:08:19.019 about George Horatio Nelson, but I loved getting 00:08:19.019 --> 00:08:21.420 lost in his life. Like he wasn't an ancestor 00:08:21.420 --> 00:08:23.500 I knew about particularly. I knew the name because 00:08:23.500 --> 00:08:25.730 obviously it's an interesting name. I didn't 00:08:25.730 --> 00:08:29.790 expect to do a deep dive on like him. Oh my God, 00:08:29.810 --> 00:08:32.169 deep dive. I've turned his way out. I didn't 00:08:32.169 --> 00:08:34.070 expect to like, obviously just get really involved 00:08:34.070 --> 00:08:36.529 with him and learn about his family and his life. 00:08:36.610 --> 00:08:38.590 And that one really did have a lot of texture 00:08:38.590 --> 00:08:40.570 and I could chronicle his life and his journey 00:08:40.570 --> 00:08:42.370 because of all the deaths around him and then 00:08:42.370 --> 00:08:45.690 his parents and et cetera. And I love that. And 00:08:45.690 --> 00:08:48.210 I just haven't been able to fully recapture that 00:08:48.210 --> 00:08:51.870 feeling anywhere else on my tree. I am secretly 00:08:51.870 --> 00:08:54.980 searching for it, but. You can't manufacture 00:08:54.980 --> 00:08:58.840 it, it's just got to appear, doesn't it? I have 00:08:58.840 --> 00:09:01.879 ancestors like that and it partly feels annoying 00:09:01.879 --> 00:09:04.539 because it's partly due to the paper trail that 00:09:04.539 --> 00:09:08.480 gets left behind. So those are my grandpas and 00:09:08.480 --> 00:09:12.269 my... Great grandfathers, they all served respectively 00:09:12.269 --> 00:09:14.049 in the Second World War and the First World War. 00:09:14.169 --> 00:09:16.610 And so suddenly I got such a lot of information 00:09:16.610 --> 00:09:18.470 I could find out about them. And if I go to them, 00:09:18.549 --> 00:09:21.429 I have so many lovely little faded old documents, 00:09:21.610 --> 00:09:23.250 even though probably there's loads more I could 00:09:23.250 --> 00:09:25.090 do. I'm not saying I've done loads, but in comparison 00:09:25.090 --> 00:09:26.889 to my other ancestors, I've got loads of information. 00:09:27.350 --> 00:09:30.429 And they're part of units, like named units that 00:09:30.429 --> 00:09:33.149 I can then research further. And so there's such 00:09:33.149 --> 00:09:36.169 a lot I can do with them. And then even though... 00:09:36.750 --> 00:09:38.669 It's not how I wish it to be. And even though 00:09:38.669 --> 00:09:40.669 I'm really lucky, I've got lots of family stories 00:09:40.669 --> 00:09:43.950 handed down on the female side. The paper trail 00:09:43.950 --> 00:09:47.590 for their wife is just, it's just desperately 00:09:47.590 --> 00:09:51.110 poor. Yeah. Even, and that's even in the last 00:09:51.110 --> 00:09:54.529 century, within the last century. Right. Hard 00:09:54.529 --> 00:09:58.289 work. Yeah. And it's, yeah, so it's partly luck 00:09:58.289 --> 00:10:01.990 with each ancestor, partly. what has survived 00:10:01.990 --> 00:10:04.750 in the historical record partly what sort of 00:10:04.750 --> 00:10:06.370 person were they like you know I kept wittering 00:10:06.370 --> 00:10:08.610 on about my two times I think it's my two times 00:10:08.610 --> 00:10:11.450 great uncle Alexander what's he called no James 00:10:11.450 --> 00:10:12.950 Linton I can't remember his name now anyway a 00:10:12.950 --> 00:10:14.970 few weeks ago the one who got caught thieving 00:10:14.970 --> 00:10:17.950 and so he's pretty much a side branch but I found 00:10:17.950 --> 00:10:20.549 so many things for him because poor chap he kept 00:10:20.549 --> 00:10:24.490 falling on into difficult circumstances sometimes 00:10:24.490 --> 00:10:26.929 through his own making sometimes just through 00:10:26.929 --> 00:10:29.559 fate But it meant there was lots of information 00:10:29.559 --> 00:10:31.559 about him. So I now have much more information 00:10:31.559 --> 00:10:35.100 about him than I do some of my more direct ancestors. 00:10:35.860 --> 00:10:39.899 You can't choose. You just can't choose. No, 00:10:40.039 --> 00:10:43.279 he's just really curious, isn't it? Again, I 00:10:43.279 --> 00:10:45.240 need to probably spend a bit more time looking 00:10:45.240 --> 00:10:48.580 through my mum's documents because there was 00:10:48.580 --> 00:10:50.220 so much stuff about my granddad. As I mentioned 00:10:50.220 --> 00:10:51.879 last time about the whole thing, he used to play 00:10:51.879 --> 00:10:53.960 the piano and nobody seemed to know that he did 00:10:53.960 --> 00:10:57.179 that. I've got quite a lot about his. past and 00:10:57.179 --> 00:11:00.620 history but part of me is almost dismissive of 00:11:00.620 --> 00:11:03.000 it because he's my granddad and I knew him and 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:06.100 I remember him but the details that I've got 00:11:06.100 --> 00:11:08.559 like I've found like his retirement speech from 00:11:08.559 --> 00:11:11.360 when he finished work and I've got documents 00:11:11.360 --> 00:11:13.059 from he was an electrician and he's got like 00:11:13.059 --> 00:11:16.139 his notebook and he's like how he was learning 00:11:16.139 --> 00:11:18.519 the craft and he made his own notes in it really 00:11:18.519 --> 00:11:21.799 small details of his life that are actually really 00:11:21.799 --> 00:11:25.289 cool But because it's more recent history, I 00:11:25.289 --> 00:11:27.370 feel like I should ignore it, which is, it's 00:11:27.370 --> 00:11:29.529 a silly thing to think and I won't do that. But 00:11:29.529 --> 00:11:31.789 it'd be nice to spend some time searching through 00:11:31.789 --> 00:11:35.269 that stuff. It definitely would. And you just 00:11:35.269 --> 00:11:37.629 say an attrition, but you think that when he 00:11:37.629 --> 00:11:39.549 would have started training, so I don't know 00:11:39.549 --> 00:11:41.830 how old your grandpa would be. I suspect he'll 00:11:41.830 --> 00:11:44.730 be a bit younger than my grandpa. So was he born 00:11:44.730 --> 00:11:49.710 in like the 1930s? He was born in 1915. So your 00:11:49.710 --> 00:11:54.210 grandpa's older than my grandpa's? Really? Weird. 00:11:55.049 --> 00:11:57.889 But my family has, all of us have such close 00:11:57.889 --> 00:12:00.330 together generations. So your elderly grandpa 00:12:00.330 --> 00:12:03.289 who's older than my grandpa's, then, so if you 00:12:03.289 --> 00:12:05.669 think when he would have started to join the 00:12:05.669 --> 00:12:10.090 workforce, so by kind of 1930 through the 1930s, 00:12:10.090 --> 00:12:12.809 he'd be a young man working. So if you go, I 00:12:12.809 --> 00:12:16.539 looked in the local archives for... just to read 00:12:16.539 --> 00:12:18.759 about our parish when we first moved here. And 00:12:18.759 --> 00:12:21.500 in the 1950s, there was this great big debate 00:12:21.500 --> 00:12:26.259 which went all on and on in the parish, what 00:12:26.259 --> 00:12:28.519 do you call it, the local parish minutes. And 00:12:28.519 --> 00:12:30.039 it was about were they going to put an electric 00:12:30.039 --> 00:12:34.220 light in the phone box or not? Yeah. And so we 00:12:34.220 --> 00:12:36.600 take all of this for granted that there's electricity 00:12:36.600 --> 00:12:38.480 all over the place and we would not take it for 00:12:38.480 --> 00:12:40.019 granted that there's a live phone box where you 00:12:40.019 --> 00:12:41.519 can make a phone call in anymore. They're now 00:12:41.519 --> 00:12:45.039 little mini volunteer bookshelves, aren't they? 00:12:45.759 --> 00:12:49.320 somewhere to keep medical equipment in case someone 00:12:49.320 --> 00:12:53.179 has a cardiac arrest. So that's a whole social 00:12:53.179 --> 00:12:55.139 history thing which has happened. Those phone 00:12:55.139 --> 00:12:58.399 boxes have evolved. And so originally, I think 00:12:58.399 --> 00:12:59.639 it would just be a little shelter which may or 00:12:59.639 --> 00:13:01.559 may not have a light in it. Clearly from our 00:13:01.559 --> 00:13:02.879 village, they wouldn't have had a light for a 00:13:02.879 --> 00:13:04.519 while. Then they think a light is a good idea. 00:13:04.539 --> 00:13:07.279 They add the light. Then they've got more and 00:13:07.279 --> 00:13:09.600 more kind of glass protected and more formal. 00:13:09.600 --> 00:13:12.179 I can even remember through my... Life then turning 00:13:12.179 --> 00:13:14.500 into better phone boxes and the famous red phone 00:13:14.500 --> 00:13:16.399 boxes, which people buy and then ship out to 00:13:16.399 --> 00:13:18.799 different places around the world who like cultural 00:13:18.799 --> 00:13:21.080 icons. And then now they don't exist anymore. 00:13:22.240 --> 00:13:24.720 Yeah, I know. It's crazy, isn't it? You sort 00:13:24.720 --> 00:13:26.340 of go, what's the word? It's not conventional 00:13:26.340 --> 00:13:28.759 wisdom, is it? What's the phrase where we're 00:13:28.759 --> 00:13:33.120 just blissfully unaware of anything? Nathan's 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:35.580 daily life. I think that is all of our daily 00:13:35.580 --> 00:13:38.379 life. But that's why it's so fun. Even though 00:13:38.379 --> 00:13:40.860 you say you know about your grandpa. If you actually 00:13:40.860 --> 00:13:45.240 went back and then found out, so if he's an electrician 00:13:45.240 --> 00:13:48.139 through that period, it's exciting. He'll be 00:13:48.139 --> 00:13:50.019 putting in wiring into houses that have never 00:13:50.019 --> 00:13:53.200 had electricity. Yeah. Yeah. So the people who 00:13:53.200 --> 00:13:56.899 he, that would have been met with a mixed reception. 00:13:56.940 --> 00:13:59.220 So even in my own family, my granny, when she 00:13:59.220 --> 00:14:01.100 got, apologies, I've already said this on the 00:14:01.100 --> 00:14:03.720 podcast before, when my mum was about six, so 00:14:03.720 --> 00:14:06.419 in the early 1950s, then the house they were 00:14:06.419 --> 00:14:08.519 in got. electricity they'd never had electricity 00:14:08.519 --> 00:14:10.179 before so bearing in mind my granny's now got 00:14:10.179 --> 00:14:12.639 three children and the fourth one is going to 00:14:12.639 --> 00:14:15.500 come along soon in the next few years she's had 00:14:15.500 --> 00:14:17.659 three children with no electricity no appliances 00:14:17.659 --> 00:14:20.200 no white goods to make her life easier anyway 00:14:20.200 --> 00:14:22.460 they get electricity and when my grandpa came 00:14:22.460 --> 00:14:25.559 back from work that day my granny had all the 00:14:25.559 --> 00:14:27.980 lights on in the house because she was so excited 00:14:27.980 --> 00:14:29.500 it was just this blaring it was just a little 00:14:29.500 --> 00:14:31.940 house but the lights were blaring and there's 00:14:31.940 --> 00:14:34.120 like another little northern nod and they'd always 00:14:34.120 --> 00:14:37.539 go oh it's like blackpool illuminations but So 00:14:37.539 --> 00:14:39.139 there's things which my family, probably lots 00:14:39.139 --> 00:14:41.539 of families say that, that my family always say 00:14:41.539 --> 00:14:43.440 this. And then I just realised that's a little 00:14:43.440 --> 00:14:46.240 really northern phrase because they used to live 00:14:46.240 --> 00:14:48.500 up in Liverpool and they would go on holiday 00:14:48.500 --> 00:14:50.279 around that part of the world. That's where they'd 00:14:50.279 --> 00:14:52.320 go on holiday. So that was just their cultural 00:14:52.320 --> 00:14:54.159 thing. But I'll say, oh, it's like Blackpool 00:14:54.159 --> 00:14:56.179 Illuminations to my kids, which they won't know. 00:14:56.360 --> 00:14:57.779 We've never been there. They won't know what 00:14:57.779 --> 00:15:00.399 it means, but it's our little northern family 00:15:00.399 --> 00:15:02.259 history heritage phrase when someone's burning 00:15:02.259 --> 00:15:06.870 too many lights. That's funny. To me, that just 00:15:06.870 --> 00:15:09.309 sounds normal. That's just a phrase. Is it? Yeah. 00:15:09.509 --> 00:15:12.850 Is it? It's funny, yeah. And then Jim had a great 00:15:12.850 --> 00:15:15.730 auntie and she had electricity put in her house. 00:15:15.769 --> 00:15:18.090 So Jim's grandpa said to the great auntie, you've 00:15:18.090 --> 00:15:19.690 got to have electricity. You've got to get with 00:15:19.690 --> 00:15:22.090 it now. It's the 1970s. So she had electricity 00:15:22.090 --> 00:15:25.629 put in and she only ever used one light bulb 00:15:25.629 --> 00:15:27.250 for the whole rest of her life. And I don't think 00:15:27.250 --> 00:15:30.740 she died till the 1990s. So your grandpa, back 00:15:30.740 --> 00:15:33.059 to your grandpa, you do not know anything about 00:15:33.059 --> 00:15:36.059 him. You knew him as a person, but there's going 00:15:36.059 --> 00:15:38.820 to be so much that you can have a massive heap 00:15:38.820 --> 00:15:41.039 of fun finding out about him. Yeah, definitely. 00:15:41.220 --> 00:15:43.480 And I've literally just clicked on his profile 00:15:43.480 --> 00:15:46.299 in Ancestry. And actually, it looks quite sad 00:15:46.299 --> 00:15:48.279 and embarrassing because there's so few details 00:15:48.279 --> 00:15:51.139 about him. Generations back, I've got more links 00:15:51.139 --> 00:15:54.179 and more ties. And obviously, each census gives 00:15:54.179 --> 00:15:58.440 you occupations and locations. my granddad just 00:15:58.440 --> 00:16:01.399 looks he was born he got married and he died 00:16:01.399 --> 00:16:03.460 that's literally all that's there so it's it's 00:16:03.460 --> 00:16:05.279 actually quite sometimes you want to cry Nathan 00:16:05.279 --> 00:16:08.840 we've got to do work on this yeah it's just strange 00:16:08.840 --> 00:16:10.399 though isn't it because the urge with family 00:16:10.399 --> 00:16:12.940 history the urge is to get backwards so you you 00:16:12.940 --> 00:16:15.519 kind of scare I think I said it last week I haven't 00:16:15.519 --> 00:16:18.200 actually got my great aunts and uncles because 00:16:18.200 --> 00:16:20.700 they don't appear on censuses and I haven't thought 00:16:20.700 --> 00:16:22.379 oh I need to add these people that I actually 00:16:22.379 --> 00:16:23.860 talk to because some of them are still alive 00:16:23.860 --> 00:16:27.659 it's weird And also, you're not alone in that. 00:16:28.220 --> 00:16:30.039 We're all really guilty of it. We're guilty of 00:16:30.039 --> 00:16:31.840 it about ourselves, going, oh, no, no, no one 00:16:31.840 --> 00:16:34.120 wants to know about me. And we're guilty about 00:16:34.120 --> 00:16:35.519 it with our parents, because we think, oh, I 00:16:35.519 --> 00:16:37.620 can remember all of that. I can remember, you 00:16:37.620 --> 00:16:39.440 know, however old you are, you can remember most 00:16:39.440 --> 00:16:41.960 of your life, apart from the first five or so 00:16:41.960 --> 00:16:44.179 years. So that's a massive chunk of your parents' 00:16:44.320 --> 00:16:47.759 life as well, you can remember, once they've 00:16:47.759 --> 00:16:52.379 had you. And we do just do that. We do not record 00:16:52.379 --> 00:16:55.879 all these things. Yeah, the guilt. It's seeping 00:16:55.879 --> 00:17:00.559 in. It's not supposed to be guilt. So does he 00:17:00.559 --> 00:17:03.899 work for an electricity company? I mean, you're 00:17:03.899 --> 00:17:06.900 asking me questions now, aren't you? Who made 00:17:06.900 --> 00:17:08.880 a retirement speech? Definitely later on in his 00:17:08.880 --> 00:17:10.500 life he's working. He's not a one -man band. 00:17:10.599 --> 00:17:12.579 He's working for a company then, isn't he? Unless 00:17:12.579 --> 00:17:15.279 he's talking to himself in the pub on retirement 00:17:15.279 --> 00:17:19.880 day. It must have been a company. I have only 00:17:19.880 --> 00:17:22.400 vaguely flicked through these books, but the 00:17:22.400 --> 00:17:25.299 proper official training manuals showing you 00:17:25.299 --> 00:17:27.640 how to do the job, and then he's had to make 00:17:27.640 --> 00:17:29.460 his own notes at the side of it. So I've got 00:17:29.460 --> 00:17:32.380 his thought process of how he's learning his 00:17:32.380 --> 00:17:35.220 trade. People must have thought he was a magician, 00:17:35.279 --> 00:17:41.400 I guess. Bringing magic of light. Yeah, OK, I'll 00:17:41.400 --> 00:17:43.200 do some more research on this. It's quite an 00:17:43.200 --> 00:17:44.940 easy, nice one. It feels like a wet weather kind 00:17:44.940 --> 00:17:46.500 of task as well, just sitting with that trunk 00:17:46.500 --> 00:17:50.329 and going through... I did find some sort of 00:17:50.329 --> 00:17:52.069 registration document for him as well, a little 00:17:52.069 --> 00:17:54.650 card, which I wasn't actually going to bring 00:17:54.650 --> 00:17:56.029 up now because I can't remember exactly what 00:17:56.029 --> 00:17:58.130 it is, but that seemed intriguing. I don't know, 00:17:58.170 --> 00:18:00.490 would that be tied to the 1939 register? Did 00:18:00.490 --> 00:18:02.690 they get little identity cards or something? 00:18:02.930 --> 00:18:05.789 They did get identity cards, yeah. Without seeing 00:18:05.789 --> 00:18:07.430 it, I don't know what it is. It could be an identity 00:18:07.430 --> 00:18:09.990 card from the Second World War. It could be just 00:18:09.990 --> 00:18:11.869 an identity card so that if he's calling around 00:18:11.869 --> 00:18:14.950 people's houses, he's kind of got credibility. 00:18:15.930 --> 00:18:18.210 I think I've got one for him and my grandma. 00:18:18.369 --> 00:18:23.829 So it must have been something national. And 00:18:23.829 --> 00:18:26.329 then, see, there's always a connection with family 00:18:26.329 --> 00:18:28.369 history. So when you're saying what's the point 00:18:28.369 --> 00:18:30.250 of house history and learning about buildings 00:18:30.250 --> 00:18:31.589 and things at the start of this conversation. 00:18:31.750 --> 00:18:34.230 So with your grandpa, and because you are such 00:18:34.230 --> 00:18:37.430 a locally based kind of person, heritage speaking. 00:18:38.430 --> 00:18:41.849 then that would be really worth you looking in 00:18:41.849 --> 00:18:44.470 local history groups, either online, you can 00:18:44.470 --> 00:18:47.089 look in local history Facebook groups, you can 00:18:47.089 --> 00:18:49.029 see if there's a local history organisation near 00:18:49.029 --> 00:18:53.329 you, you could go to your local archive and find 00:18:53.329 --> 00:18:56.029 out the places he was working and look up and 00:18:56.029 --> 00:18:58.710 just read and see what it has to say about electricity. 00:18:59.650 --> 00:19:03.910 Because all those utilities sound kind of... 00:19:04.660 --> 00:19:06.599 but they make a big difference to people's lives. 00:19:06.680 --> 00:19:07.940 I know I would have said that before because 00:19:07.940 --> 00:19:10.519 I feel really strongly about it. And I'm the 00:19:10.519 --> 00:19:12.700 worst person for remembering to give meter readings 00:19:12.700 --> 00:19:15.240 or do anything like that. I'm not excited about 00:19:15.240 --> 00:19:17.039 utilities on a day -to -day basis, but from a 00:19:17.039 --> 00:19:19.779 family history perspective, they're really interesting. 00:19:20.460 --> 00:19:24.700 When did running water come to a town? Yeah, 00:19:24.779 --> 00:19:26.740 it's just all the things we take for granted, 00:19:26.799 --> 00:19:28.759 isn't it? Which is what I was trying to say earlier 00:19:28.759 --> 00:19:32.720 about being oblivious. It's just in our lives. 00:19:34.149 --> 00:19:35.670 That's crazy, that story that you were saying 00:19:35.670 --> 00:19:40.230 about one lightbulb. 1991, that's bonkers. I 00:19:40.230 --> 00:19:41.670 can't remember which year it was in the 90s, 00:19:41.670 --> 00:19:44.069 but definitely in the 90s. Right. Yeah, really, 00:19:44.190 --> 00:19:46.410 really crazy. I guess going back to my grandad 00:19:46.410 --> 00:19:49.170 as well, as much as I'm desperate to get further 00:19:49.170 --> 00:19:52.750 back in the tree, despite my fears of the 1841, 00:19:53.369 --> 00:19:56.750 I should... This is obviously common sense, it's 00:19:56.750 --> 00:19:59.150 daft to say it out loud, but my grandad is my 00:19:59.150 --> 00:20:01.789 children's great -grandad. They never met him, 00:20:01.849 --> 00:20:04.539 they've got no clue about him. So there's going 00:20:04.539 --> 00:20:06.640 to be a point where maybe they get interested 00:20:06.640 --> 00:20:08.299 in family history and they want to learn about 00:20:08.299 --> 00:20:10.920 him. And I don't have the documentation to do 00:20:10.920 --> 00:20:14.279 that. Whereas at the moment, I've got aunts and 00:20:14.279 --> 00:20:17.259 uncles and my mum that I can actually talk about. 00:20:17.339 --> 00:20:19.680 So I can do the research and actually ask questions 00:20:19.680 --> 00:20:21.259 to people that actually might know the answers 00:20:21.259 --> 00:20:23.819 and then flesh them out a bit more for future 00:20:23.819 --> 00:20:27.579 historians in my family tree. It does mean sensible 00:20:27.579 --> 00:20:30.039 things to do sooner rather than later. As soon 00:20:30.039 --> 00:20:33.400 as nobody's about, if I, you know, morbidly speaking, 00:20:33.539 --> 00:20:35.299 if it was just me researching this and I found 00:20:35.299 --> 00:20:39.220 these music certificates, it wouldn't mean anything, 00:20:39.279 --> 00:20:42.839 would it? It's like start fabricating a crazy 00:20:42.839 --> 00:20:47.950 story. So definitely ask... the people's memories 00:20:47.950 --> 00:20:51.849 of him, whether any funny stories, any habits 00:20:51.849 --> 00:20:54.970 he liked, any food or drinks he particularly 00:20:54.970 --> 00:20:58.089 liked. These are nice things to know. Yeah. He 00:20:58.089 --> 00:21:00.309 was a proper character. He was a proper blagger. 00:21:00.430 --> 00:21:02.589 Like, it actually makes me feel a bit embarrassed, 00:21:02.650 --> 00:21:04.289 like, when my mum tells me some of the stories. 00:21:04.970 --> 00:21:07.869 The girl watched the rugby and, like, despite 00:21:07.869 --> 00:21:10.809 my mum being in her 20s, my grandad would, like... 00:21:11.079 --> 00:21:13.839 make her pretend she was under age of 16 or whatever 00:21:13.839 --> 00:21:16.279 to get her in as cheap and he would do this everywhere 00:21:16.279 --> 00:21:19.599 they went and try and yeah just just blag anything 00:21:19.599 --> 00:21:22.559 he could I'm the exact opposite though I'm so 00:21:22.559 --> 00:21:27.799 like I'll abide by every rule yes yeah well we're 00:21:27.799 --> 00:21:29.460 not we're not necessarily like our ancestors 00:21:29.460 --> 00:21:32.319 but that's a that's a good thing about them because 00:21:32.319 --> 00:21:35.859 you get so many you if you just know about a 00:21:35.859 --> 00:21:39.609 few ancestors then or a few family members, you 00:21:39.609 --> 00:21:41.450 may feel really connected and bonded to them. 00:21:41.490 --> 00:21:44.569 Or you may feel as though, oh, why am I so different 00:21:44.569 --> 00:21:46.430 from my family? And then the more people you 00:21:46.430 --> 00:21:50.170 learn about, the more you bond with your family. 00:21:50.529 --> 00:21:52.750 Because you just, you realise you're a whole 00:21:52.750 --> 00:21:56.269 bunch of people and having a whole bunch of cards 00:21:56.269 --> 00:21:58.549 dealt to you and you all deal with them differently. 00:21:58.670 --> 00:22:03.150 But it's bonding. Yeah. Yeah, how we are connected. 00:22:05.440 --> 00:22:07.440 It's lovely. I like your grandpa project. And 00:22:07.440 --> 00:22:11.039 even just taking a photo of all of those documents 00:22:11.039 --> 00:22:13.559 or anything which is relevant to him with your 00:22:13.559 --> 00:22:16.240 phone and then adding it to Ancestry, to his 00:22:16.240 --> 00:22:19.220 gallery. Are you happy to do that? I am. Well, 00:22:19.220 --> 00:22:21.180 yeah, it's just a different project then as well, 00:22:21.200 --> 00:22:23.099 which might make it a bit more fun. And it's 00:22:23.099 --> 00:22:26.500 not anything kind of private or not anything 00:22:26.500 --> 00:22:28.480 which is... As soon as something is a little 00:22:28.480 --> 00:22:30.240 bit private or is going to cast somebody in a 00:22:30.240 --> 00:22:34.019 bad light or like... relates to somebody who's 00:22:34.019 --> 00:22:36.420 still alive, then obviously you need to be much 00:22:36.420 --> 00:22:38.680 more judicious about what you upload to Ancestry. 00:22:38.799 --> 00:22:40.980 But if it's just to do with records of him being 00:22:40.980 --> 00:22:43.799 an electrician or playing the piano, that's innocent. 00:22:43.920 --> 00:22:46.200 It's not going to get it out there and get it 00:22:46.200 --> 00:22:49.019 shared and it'll maybe spark a memory from somebody 00:22:49.019 --> 00:22:51.920 else. Yeah, definitely. Flesh out his life a 00:22:51.920 --> 00:22:54.079 bit. Yeah, this sounds like quite a nice project, 00:22:54.119 --> 00:22:57.559 actually. And so by those certificates, it sounds 00:22:57.559 --> 00:23:00.049 like he got... Kind of potentially school exams, 00:23:00.309 --> 00:23:02.150 like grade one, grade two or whatever. Maybe 00:23:02.150 --> 00:23:06.210 that's what they are. Maybe. I haven't investigated 00:23:06.210 --> 00:23:09.990 them very far at all. Initially, I was also quite 00:23:09.990 --> 00:23:12.069 dismissive of them. I was like, he never played 00:23:12.069 --> 00:23:13.970 any music. I don't remember any of this. But 00:23:13.970 --> 00:23:16.930 obviously, what do I know? He's got a whole life 00:23:16.930 --> 00:23:18.690 I know nothing about. This is where you're going 00:23:18.690 --> 00:23:21.670 to go to the local archive and you're going to 00:23:21.670 --> 00:23:24.049 say what you're trying to find out about local 00:23:24.049 --> 00:23:26.490 electricity in the area, electricians in the 00:23:26.490 --> 00:23:29.859 area. about the Ward family. And then you go, 00:23:29.940 --> 00:23:31.440 actually, have you got any information on blah, 00:23:31.519 --> 00:23:34.819 blah, whatever his name is. And they'll go, someone 00:23:34.819 --> 00:23:36.660 will go look in their database and they go, oh 00:23:36.660 --> 00:23:38.859 yeah, he used to play down the Swan Inn. He was 00:23:38.859 --> 00:23:41.420 fantastic on the piano. Every time there was 00:23:41.420 --> 00:23:43.400 a celebration or a wedding or a funeral, you 00:23:43.400 --> 00:23:45.420 just couldn't get him off the keys. And you're 00:23:45.420 --> 00:23:49.299 like, I never knew that. It's possible though, 00:23:49.339 --> 00:23:57.970 isn't it? It is possible. Shall I tell you what 00:23:57.970 --> 00:24:00.630 I've been learning about this week? Please do. 00:24:01.170 --> 00:24:04.750 I've learned a bit of Latin. Latin? I know, I 00:24:04.750 --> 00:24:08.170 know. Latin ADM? Exactly like that sort of thing. 00:24:08.529 --> 00:24:11.569 And honestly, I did do a tiny bit of Latin at 00:24:11.569 --> 00:24:14.069 school and I was appalling. I could never get 00:24:14.069 --> 00:24:16.069 my head around it at all. I was always having 00:24:16.069 --> 00:24:18.450 to stand at the front and just be shamed. That's 00:24:18.450 --> 00:24:22.109 my overriding memory. So I didn't have any... 00:24:22.539 --> 00:24:25.259 Nice memories of it and zero knowledge renting 00:24:25.259 --> 00:24:26.880 because I was too busy being embarrassed, which 00:24:26.880 --> 00:24:29.200 kind of made my brain freeze and I couldn't learn. 00:24:30.059 --> 00:24:33.700 Anyway, so you say about George Horatio Nelson, 00:24:33.940 --> 00:24:36.400 with my grandpa's logbook, I'm still working 00:24:36.400 --> 00:24:43.480 on the logbook. But because he worked for a squadron 00:24:43.480 --> 00:24:46.779 in the RAF, they have these gorgeous Latin mottos. 00:24:46.880 --> 00:24:50.559 And so I knew the main Royal Air Force one, which 00:24:50.559 --> 00:24:54.099 is. Per ardua ad astra. And I knew that already. 00:24:54.259 --> 00:24:56.640 So that means through adversity to the stars. 00:24:56.900 --> 00:24:59.359 I mean, that's such a good motto, isn't it? Yeah, 00:24:59.380 --> 00:25:01.440 that's great. Yeah. It always makes you think 00:25:01.440 --> 00:25:04.920 of like reach for the stars. But anyway, I like 00:25:04.920 --> 00:25:07.579 it. So that's just the whole Air Force one. Then 00:25:07.579 --> 00:25:10.880 the 413 squadron that my paternal grandfather 00:25:10.880 --> 00:25:18.009 was in, that motto was ad vigilamus undis. which 00:25:18.009 --> 00:25:21.049 means we watch the waves. And then when I've 00:25:21.049 --> 00:25:22.890 been going through, I'm just, I feel like such 00:25:22.890 --> 00:25:24.569 a clunky head. Like, why did I not know this? 00:25:24.609 --> 00:25:25.809 I've always come, I've come at it completely 00:25:25.809 --> 00:25:28.730 backwards. I've got the log book. I'm trying 00:25:28.730 --> 00:25:31.950 to decode the details of these like small little 00:25:31.950 --> 00:25:34.589 bits in it, but I hadn't thought to zoom out 00:25:34.589 --> 00:25:37.049 and find out a big picture. So I've only done 00:25:37.049 --> 00:25:39.529 that this week. And so the reason why their motto 00:25:39.529 --> 00:25:42.079 is we watch the waves is because for one... three 00:25:42.079 --> 00:25:44.960 squadron their kind of reason for being in the 00:25:44.960 --> 00:25:46.960 second world war was they were searched and rescued 00:25:46.960 --> 00:25:49.279 and that's why in his logbook he keeps going 00:25:49.279 --> 00:25:51.279 searching for lifeboats it's because that was 00:25:51.279 --> 00:25:54.259 their job all right why did i not know this so 00:25:54.259 --> 00:25:55.859 that's such a kind of family historians like 00:25:55.859 --> 00:25:58.160 we always say with you with history it's always 00:25:58.160 --> 00:26:00.079 about the generals and the kings and the big 00:26:00.079 --> 00:26:02.339 battles whereas i'm like what does this code 00:26:02.339 --> 00:26:04.880 say on page seven and i didn't even know what 00:26:04.880 --> 00:26:08.880 the whole big squadron's purpose was so i'm trying 00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:11.490 to build out my as you always say, my contextual 00:26:11.490 --> 00:26:14.609 knowledge to kind of put his life, make it make 00:26:14.609 --> 00:26:17.049 more sense of it. And another thing I felt really 00:26:17.049 --> 00:26:19.849 stupid about, I've seen lots of pictures of Catalina 00:26:19.849 --> 00:26:22.450 aeroplanes, which is one of the main ones he 00:26:22.450 --> 00:26:26.130 flew. And I knew he was very fond of having flown 00:26:26.130 --> 00:26:27.910 in them, very proud of having flown in them. 00:26:28.230 --> 00:26:31.289 They were the ones I'd mainly associate with 00:26:31.289 --> 00:26:34.109 him. But they're so big. So I've seen pictures, 00:26:34.210 --> 00:26:35.730 but I haven't really ever looked for pictures 00:26:35.730 --> 00:26:38.150 of people next to them. They're massive. They're 00:26:38.150 --> 00:26:40.279 about... I don't know if this means anything 00:26:40.279 --> 00:26:42.359 to anyone else, they're about four or five times 00:26:42.359 --> 00:26:44.240 as big as I thought they were. But you just know 00:26:44.240 --> 00:26:45.779 how big I thought they were in the first release. 00:26:46.380 --> 00:26:48.819 But if you know how big a Catalina is, then you 00:26:48.819 --> 00:26:50.640 know that I thought it was a fifth of that size. 00:26:52.720 --> 00:26:54.480 I blithely thought I was going to be finishing 00:26:54.480 --> 00:26:56.559 this project sometime soon, because I'd scanned 00:26:56.559 --> 00:26:58.440 in the pages, I'd got my map, I just needed to 00:26:58.440 --> 00:27:01.920 add the pages to the map, add on each little 00:27:01.920 --> 00:27:04.480 pin, add a picture of the logbook to the pin, 00:27:04.559 --> 00:27:06.140 a little description, I was like, boom, sorted. 00:27:06.440 --> 00:27:08.769 But then... It's not going to be finished anytime 00:27:08.769 --> 00:27:11.690 soon. I've got partly loads of unit history to 00:27:11.690 --> 00:27:16.150 learn. This RAF unit history partly is a lot 00:27:16.150 --> 00:27:18.289 more in -depth because obviously each page doesn't 00:27:18.289 --> 00:27:20.910 just have one data point. It has maybe seven 00:27:20.910 --> 00:27:23.750 or eight lines, seven or eight journeys in some 00:27:23.750 --> 00:27:26.130 instances per page. There's a lot of journeys. 00:27:26.190 --> 00:27:28.630 I've got a map. But I think I might have to start 00:27:28.630 --> 00:27:30.130 doing another project just for the sake of anyone 00:27:30.130 --> 00:27:31.670 who listens to the podcast. They don't have to 00:27:31.670 --> 00:27:33.869 hear me mention it ever again. So I'm not going 00:27:33.869 --> 00:27:35.710 to mention it ever again until I've actually 00:27:35.710 --> 00:27:37.670 signed off on it. But I will do other things 00:27:37.670 --> 00:27:39.910 in the meantime so that people's ears don't get 00:27:39.910 --> 00:27:43.089 worn out. I mean, I won't hold you to that. No. 00:27:43.289 --> 00:27:45.289 Next week you'll be talking about it. I'm very 00:27:45.289 --> 00:27:48.009 jealous. I really want some RAF ties. I really 00:27:48.009 --> 00:27:52.349 want to have aeroplanes in my family tree. Every 00:27:52.349 --> 00:27:54.589 time you talk about it, I'm just like, hmm, I 00:27:54.589 --> 00:27:57.220 want to play. So that'd be interesting what your 00:27:57.220 --> 00:28:00.920 grandpa did if he's born in 1915 and he's an 00:28:00.920 --> 00:28:03.859 electrician. So he's a really useful guy. So 00:28:03.859 --> 00:28:05.920 by the time we get to the start of the Second 00:28:05.920 --> 00:28:10.200 World War, he's 24. So he's perfectly placed 00:28:10.200 --> 00:28:12.539 to be helpful. So what did he do in the Second 00:28:12.539 --> 00:28:16.079 World War? I don't think he did anything. He 00:28:16.079 --> 00:28:17.420 would have done something. He wouldn't be allowed 00:28:17.420 --> 00:28:21.180 not to do anything unless he had a physical condition, 00:28:21.420 --> 00:28:24.400 which is going to stop him being helpful. He 00:28:24.400 --> 00:28:26.690 would have been helpful. He had a very loud laugh, 00:28:26.869 --> 00:28:29.269 so it would give away position if he went to 00:28:29.269 --> 00:28:31.990 war. Could it be no good for espionage then? 00:28:32.609 --> 00:28:35.990 Do something else. On the 1939 register, he's 00:28:35.990 --> 00:28:38.910 down as an electrical engineer and in brackets, 00:28:38.950 --> 00:28:43.809 fitter. So without looking in the chest to find 00:28:43.809 --> 00:28:45.829 out any more details, that's all I actually know. 00:28:46.130 --> 00:28:48.250 I don't know what he did in the war. He got married 00:28:48.250 --> 00:28:51.769 in 1940. I've got a massive gap, haven't I? I 00:28:51.769 --> 00:28:54.809 need to do some research. And so even by the 00:28:54.809 --> 00:28:57.630 time you get to 1940, that could be helpful because 00:28:57.630 --> 00:29:00.269 his occupation on the marriage certificate, obviously 00:29:00.269 --> 00:29:02.170 it's very much self -determined. So he's going 00:29:02.170 --> 00:29:05.369 to put down his occupation as he wishes. So sometimes 00:29:05.369 --> 00:29:08.410 our ancestors just embellish their occupations 00:29:08.410 --> 00:29:10.869 a little bit. But he could put down his normal 00:29:10.869 --> 00:29:12.950 line of work or he could have been called up 00:29:12.950 --> 00:29:15.549 and he may give clues to a military line of work, 00:29:15.650 --> 00:29:18.109 even just on his marriage certificate. This is 00:29:18.109 --> 00:29:20.710 fascinating. I've never even thought about him. 00:29:21.180 --> 00:29:24.240 and him in context of World War II. That's weird, 00:29:24.299 --> 00:29:29.180 isn't it? Cool. Well, there you go. How old was 00:29:29.180 --> 00:29:31.680 their first child? What age children did they 00:29:31.680 --> 00:29:33.079 have? Without giving away, you don't have to 00:29:33.079 --> 00:29:35.279 tell me, because I don't want to give away details 00:29:35.279 --> 00:29:38.140 about your mum or anything, but was there a big 00:29:38.140 --> 00:29:39.839 gap between when they got married and when they 00:29:39.839 --> 00:29:43.519 had any children or not? Well, again, going into 00:29:43.519 --> 00:29:46.759 bad lad category, I haven't put my father's brothers 00:29:46.759 --> 00:29:50.769 and sisters on the farmer tree. I literally have 00:29:50.769 --> 00:29:54.049 ignored present day completely, so I haven't 00:29:54.049 --> 00:29:55.990 a clue when they were born. Let's have a think 00:29:55.990 --> 00:29:58.329 about this. Don't say it out loud, though, because 00:29:58.329 --> 00:29:59.789 it's going to be living people's details, which 00:29:59.789 --> 00:30:02.869 will be too traceable. OK. You're going to mull 00:30:02.869 --> 00:30:04.529 in your head. What I was trying to get at... 00:30:04.529 --> 00:30:06.970 Late 1940s, I'm going to say. Yeah, so that's 00:30:06.970 --> 00:30:08.970 interesting if it's late 1940s, because then 00:30:08.970 --> 00:30:13.190 that adds... It's just a tiny... It's not even 00:30:13.190 --> 00:30:15.089 a pebble of information. It's another grain of 00:30:15.089 --> 00:30:17.089 sand information that potentially he was serving. 00:30:17.130 --> 00:30:19.839 If he's away, then... there's not going to be 00:30:19.839 --> 00:30:22.500 children being born on the whole. I want to make 00:30:22.500 --> 00:30:25.799 up a story. Yeah. I think he was involved in 00:30:25.799 --> 00:30:30.380 making tanks. I don't know why. I actually, as 00:30:30.380 --> 00:30:33.000 much as I might be joking, I actually, the reason 00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:34.380 that's come into my head is I think it might 00:30:34.380 --> 00:30:38.859 be true. I think that Fitter clue as well. That 00:30:38.859 --> 00:30:41.619 sounds super interesting to me because definitely 00:30:41.619 --> 00:30:43.500 Fitter is something to do with aircraft, but 00:30:43.500 --> 00:30:44.759 it might be to do with other things as well. 00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:48.779 Right. This is this week. Normally we get nice 00:30:48.779 --> 00:30:50.920 messages from people listening to the podcast 00:30:50.920 --> 00:30:55.200 and they tell us lots of interesting things. 00:30:55.579 --> 00:30:57.700 And then this time it's probably going to people 00:30:57.700 --> 00:31:00.660 going, you blooming idiots. It's obvious, but 00:31:00.660 --> 00:31:02.339 it doesn't feel obvious to me yet what you're 00:31:02.339 --> 00:31:05.140 doing. So just Googling this. It says a fitter 00:31:05.140 --> 00:31:09.200 is. A skilled professional who assembles, installs 00:31:09.200 --> 00:31:11.440 or adjusts machinery, equipment or materials. 00:31:11.579 --> 00:31:13.279 So it doesn't specifically say it's aircraft, 00:31:13.420 --> 00:31:15.400 but I do know you do find it in the context of 00:31:15.400 --> 00:31:17.099 aircraft. I'm just trying to raise your hopes 00:31:17.099 --> 00:31:19.500 that you've got an aircraft connection. Stop 00:31:19.500 --> 00:31:22.000 it. See, in my head, fitter is someone who just 00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:23.920 pushes loads of wires around the house to make 00:31:23.920 --> 00:31:26.940 it work. But I've got no reason to know why that. 00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:31.079 I think that. Wow. So I've got a lot of current 00:31:31.079 --> 00:31:33.839 history stuff to do then. That's very, very interesting. 00:31:35.769 --> 00:31:38.589 I know my grandad on the other side was a gunner. 00:31:39.490 --> 00:31:43.750 So, but like, oh no, I'm making stories up now. 00:31:43.930 --> 00:31:46.910 I want to say he was along the coast, a man in 00:31:46.910 --> 00:31:51.009 like anti -aircraft guns, defecting the nation. 00:31:52.430 --> 00:31:54.849 But again, I don't know the full details. It 00:31:54.849 --> 00:31:56.690 is one of those ones where, oh yeah, your grandad 00:31:56.690 --> 00:31:58.809 was a gunner. And I'm like, okay. But I never 00:31:58.809 --> 00:32:02.930 actually have bothered to ask more facts. Bad 00:32:02.930 --> 00:32:07.349 lad. It's not bad. It really isn't. It's what 00:32:07.349 --> 00:32:10.670 happens over and again. The thing, I wish I'd 00:32:10.670 --> 00:32:13.529 asked them and the people who are close at hand 00:32:13.529 --> 00:32:17.390 and also the people who live through it. Partly 00:32:17.390 --> 00:32:19.710 they're modest, partly they want to move on and 00:32:19.710 --> 00:32:22.869 not talk about. stressful chapters. You think 00:32:22.869 --> 00:32:25.849 of the 1960s, so they barely got out of the Second 00:32:25.849 --> 00:32:27.890 World War and then the rationing continues into 00:32:27.890 --> 00:32:30.349 the 1950s. By the time you get to the 1960s, 00:32:30.349 --> 00:32:31.509 everyone's like, oh, we don't want to hear about 00:32:31.509 --> 00:32:34.930 that. We're building new high -rises, we're wearing 00:32:34.930 --> 00:32:37.890 mini -skirts, it's all about the future, isn't 00:32:37.890 --> 00:32:41.329 it? Yeah, true. And whereas now we're quite a 00:32:41.329 --> 00:32:43.390 nostalgic age in lots of ways, even though we're 00:32:43.390 --> 00:32:46.670 high -tech, we kind of yearn back. Yeah, make 00:32:46.670 --> 00:32:51.569 it simpler. Well, this is interesting. It's probably 00:32:51.569 --> 00:32:53.089 going to be a good thing to spare me on this. 00:32:53.130 --> 00:32:56.049 I'm actually quite excited about this idea. Actually 00:32:56.049 --> 00:32:58.829 talking to real people and actually getting some 00:32:58.829 --> 00:33:01.549 information and not being, oh yeah, I know my 00:33:01.549 --> 00:33:05.849 granddad. That's from both sides. I need to flesh 00:33:05.849 --> 00:33:08.430 out their lives a bit. That sounds really good. 00:33:08.509 --> 00:33:11.630 So when you talk to the real people about the 00:33:11.630 --> 00:33:14.170 other real people, then how are you going to 00:33:14.170 --> 00:33:18.119 go about this? And how are you going to... like 00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:22.079 keep track of what you find out I'll probably 00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:24.339 take a handy and trusted notebook with a lovely 00:33:24.339 --> 00:33:27.039 lovely ballpoint pen and it's not a ballpoint 00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:30.160 is it it's liquid and yeah just make notes as 00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:33.319 I go I think if I start talking to my mum about 00:33:33.319 --> 00:33:35.259 it she'll make me get the computer out and actually 00:33:35.259 --> 00:33:38.299 just want to sit with me and go through everybody 00:33:38.299 --> 00:33:40.960 which might be useful but everybody else I'll 00:33:40.960 --> 00:33:45.410 just record On paper. Or if I'm meeting with 00:33:45.410 --> 00:33:46.769 people, I guess I could just record a little 00:33:46.769 --> 00:33:49.609 note on my phone, like a voice note, and then 00:33:49.609 --> 00:33:52.730 somehow transfer it. I don't know. I'm guessing 00:33:52.730 --> 00:33:55.009 here. Is this a good practice for interviewing 00:33:55.009 --> 00:33:58.769 people? Yes, there are. There's lots of tips. 00:33:59.390 --> 00:34:02.109 You can just have chance conversations. It depends 00:34:02.109 --> 00:34:05.250 how well you know the people and how... It depends 00:34:05.250 --> 00:34:06.930 on lots of circumstances, like the health of 00:34:06.930 --> 00:34:09.289 the person, how well you know the person, how 00:34:09.289 --> 00:34:12.500 important it is you get the information. So to 00:34:12.500 --> 00:34:15.300 be blunt, if somebody's in a poor state of health 00:34:15.300 --> 00:34:18.539 and time is short, then you're going to want 00:34:18.539 --> 00:34:20.780 to use that time in a really pinpointed way, 00:34:20.900 --> 00:34:22.199 aren't you? And you're going to have to proceed 00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:24.699 gently because they've got limited energy. And 00:34:24.699 --> 00:34:27.400 so you're going to have to be sympathetic and 00:34:27.400 --> 00:34:30.340 diplomatic, but not take your eye off the ball 00:34:30.340 --> 00:34:33.099 that they've got precious family information 00:34:33.099 --> 00:34:36.099 that is at risk of being lost otherwise. And 00:34:36.099 --> 00:34:38.260 it's a really hard thing to do. It's really hard. 00:34:39.099 --> 00:34:42.710 It's the hardest thing. In an ideal world, none 00:34:42.710 --> 00:34:45.070 of us put ourselves in that position. We try 00:34:45.070 --> 00:34:46.630 and talk about these things while everyone's 00:34:46.630 --> 00:34:49.130 still in a good state of health, when time's 00:34:49.130 --> 00:34:51.949 on our side, when we've got time to revisit conversations. 00:34:52.989 --> 00:34:55.969 People can have time to reflect on things we've 00:34:55.969 --> 00:34:57.409 asked them and then we can ask them about them 00:34:57.409 --> 00:35:01.929 again and they can add to the story. So the first 00:35:01.929 --> 00:35:04.090 kind of thing which I think is really useful 00:35:04.090 --> 00:35:07.449 is you might have some key bits of information 00:35:07.449 --> 00:35:11.179 you want and that's completely fair enough. but 00:35:11.179 --> 00:35:14.340 you are interviewing them about their life and 00:35:14.340 --> 00:35:16.019 their memories. You're not interrogating them. 00:35:16.340 --> 00:35:19.460 So you're not like on a BBC Radio 4 programme 00:35:19.460 --> 00:35:23.139 where you're interrogating an MP or something. 00:35:23.199 --> 00:35:25.480 You're talking to a relation. So it could be 00:35:25.480 --> 00:35:28.780 that they persist in not wanting to talk about 00:35:28.780 --> 00:35:32.739 an area and people have their own views and sensitivities 00:35:32.739 --> 00:35:34.840 and interests and everything else, so don't pressurise 00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:38.030 them. unduly you can kind of gently draw them 00:35:38.030 --> 00:35:39.369 back to something if you think they've overlooked 00:35:39.369 --> 00:35:41.090 it but if they clearly don't want to talk about 00:35:41.090 --> 00:35:43.889 it that's their prerogative and it might be annoying 00:35:43.889 --> 00:35:46.150 but I think you've got to respect that because 00:35:46.150 --> 00:35:47.889 they'll have reasons close to their heart where 00:35:47.889 --> 00:35:50.289 they don't want to talk about something so you're 00:35:50.289 --> 00:35:52.730 interviewing not interrogating that's one thing 00:35:52.730 --> 00:35:55.050 I think is really useful and the other thing 00:35:55.050 --> 00:35:57.599 is The flip side, because I'm such a control 00:35:57.599 --> 00:35:59.659 freak when I talk to people, is just let it go. 00:35:59.719 --> 00:36:01.800 Let the conversation flow because people will 00:36:01.800 --> 00:36:04.380 have loads of interesting things to say. And 00:36:04.380 --> 00:36:06.380 they will say things that you wouldn't even known 00:36:06.380 --> 00:36:08.760 to ask about. And they could be some of the most 00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:11.539 interesting things. So let the conversation flow. 00:36:11.719 --> 00:36:14.199 Try and ask. People say that is open questions, 00:36:14.480 --> 00:36:17.360 which can give them time to meander. Another 00:36:17.360 --> 00:36:21.219 tip, have props. So old photos. Yeah. Right. 00:36:21.559 --> 00:36:24.000 Yeah. They'll think they don't know anything. 00:36:24.039 --> 00:36:25.840 If you ask somebody their first bat, they'll 00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:27.539 go, I don't know very much, I don't know anything. 00:36:27.860 --> 00:36:30.019 And then you just give them a moment, give them 00:36:30.019 --> 00:36:33.719 a prop. Yeah, I find that works, actually, because 00:36:33.719 --> 00:36:35.500 obviously I've said the other week I've got some 00:36:35.500 --> 00:36:38.420 old photographs. And from, I guess when you put 00:36:38.420 --> 00:36:40.000 someone on the spot and say, tell me about family 00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:41.320 history, they're like, oh, I don't know where 00:36:41.320 --> 00:36:44.340 to begin. Whereas, like you say, you see an image 00:36:44.340 --> 00:36:46.099 and it's suddenly, oh, that's Aunt Sally and 00:36:46.099 --> 00:36:48.400 she did X, Y and Z. All this information that 00:36:48.400 --> 00:36:51.789 she never would have brought. out without the 00:36:51.789 --> 00:36:54.949 prompt of seeing that image it's a good way to 00:36:54.949 --> 00:36:59.829 go cool I feel like I'm making myself extra busy 00:36:59.829 --> 00:37:02.730 here but it's all valuable stuff isn't it I might 00:37:02.730 --> 00:37:05.010 not be getting back any further if I follow this 00:37:05.010 --> 00:37:07.670 through but I'll actually have created a bigger 00:37:07.670 --> 00:37:11.250 rounded picture of my grandparents and you could 00:37:11.250 --> 00:37:14.349 just it's hard isn't it because we all want to 00:37:14.349 --> 00:37:15.949 do so much there's so many things you want to 00:37:15.949 --> 00:37:17.530 accomplish but you could just say right I'm just 00:37:17.530 --> 00:37:20.179 going to concentrate on One of my grandpas. And 00:37:20.179 --> 00:37:21.860 I'm just going to speak to everyone who can help 00:37:21.860 --> 00:37:23.739 me with this grandpa. And I'm just going to keep, 00:37:23.800 --> 00:37:25.980 let the conversation wander off. As I say, they 00:37:25.980 --> 00:37:27.360 might come up with loads of other interesting 00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:31.179 things. But your focus is, what can I find out 00:37:31.179 --> 00:37:34.820 about my grandpa? What facts about his career? 00:37:35.239 --> 00:37:37.460 Any clues about his Second World War experiences? 00:37:38.760 --> 00:37:42.360 And just nice memories and anecdotes. And that's 00:37:42.360 --> 00:37:45.880 it. You could have a few conversations and you 00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:49.039 could... Gain a wealth of precious things that 00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:52.579 you wouldn't be able to find out. Some of them 00:37:52.579 --> 00:37:54.539 are tall elsewhere and some of them not very 00:37:54.539 --> 00:37:58.159 easily elsewhere. Right, cool. I think it's nice. 00:37:58.599 --> 00:38:01.980 Yeah, nice. It is a nice little project. It's 00:38:01.980 --> 00:38:03.820 quite nice as well to let people remember as 00:38:03.820 --> 00:38:06.659 well, isn't it? Like, I don't think about my 00:38:06.659 --> 00:38:10.000 granddad day to day, but I've shared the picture 00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:13.320 on our podcast page of him in his run gear. And 00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:15.519 just sharing that with my cousin and then obviously 00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:17.699 my aunts and my uncles and then my mum, et cetera, 00:38:17.820 --> 00:38:20.039 have seen it. And then they all just go, oh, 00:38:20.079 --> 00:38:21.599 your granddad would have been so proud of you 00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:23.679 too. He absolutely loved sport and he'd been 00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:25.500 there at every run if he could have been and 00:38:25.500 --> 00:38:27.139 all this stuff. Things that he obviously couldn't 00:38:27.139 --> 00:38:30.039 do because he's dead. But it's nice to have that 00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:33.059 context and you remember who he is and like actually, 00:38:33.059 --> 00:38:34.420 yeah, he would have been really proud. And that's 00:38:34.420 --> 00:38:37.960 quite a nice sensation. If you don't think about 00:38:37.960 --> 00:38:43.000 that idea, it's different. Definitely. I don't 00:38:43.000 --> 00:38:45.199 know what I'm waffling on about now. Change of 00:38:45.199 --> 00:38:47.519 subject, just because I'm mentioning the podcast 00:38:47.519 --> 00:38:50.980 page, I've had a message from Sarah who did the 00:38:50.980 --> 00:38:55.079 amazing research from Alexander McKay last week 00:38:55.079 --> 00:38:57.719 or the week before. She has said we can share 00:38:57.719 --> 00:39:01.039 her research spreadsheet. So I will be putting 00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:03.500 that on the webpage. So go check that out. Use 00:39:03.500 --> 00:39:06.179 the content library to find it. And it just shows 00:39:06.179 --> 00:39:09.860 you how cool her research was. She's really good 00:39:09.860 --> 00:39:11.900 with the context thing as well. Like I said it 00:39:11.900 --> 00:39:13.679 the other week, she's put like historical events 00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:16.039 down the side so you can actually see where the 00:39:16.039 --> 00:39:19.079 ancestors fit within the time frame. So you'll 00:39:19.079 --> 00:39:21.340 be able to look at that. That's good. And just 00:39:21.340 --> 00:39:22.940 to quickly explain to people if they're not sure. 00:39:23.000 --> 00:39:26.179 So to find what Nathan's just said, to find Sarah's 00:39:26.179 --> 00:39:29.679 lovely resource, you go to family -tree .co .uk, 00:39:29.780 --> 00:39:33.079 press the button that says content library, then 00:39:33.079 --> 00:39:35.300 in the little search bar. press the word podcast 00:39:35.300 --> 00:39:38.260 or you might see the podcast item listed up near 00:39:38.260 --> 00:39:41.480 the top of the page of items and then press on 00:39:41.480 --> 00:39:44.679 there and then Nathan's put, actually we're putting 00:39:44.679 --> 00:39:47.239 resources, aren't we? Photos that you're talking 00:39:47.239 --> 00:39:51.039 about, links to Nathan's wonderful Excel sheet 00:39:51.039 --> 00:39:53.420 and now Sarah's Excel sheet too. It's going to 00:39:53.420 --> 00:39:57.039 be Excel central. I mean, Sarah's puts mine to 00:39:57.039 --> 00:39:58.619 shame. Mine's just literally a blank document. 00:39:58.659 --> 00:40:02.510 This is just stunning. I love it. But it's really 00:40:02.510 --> 00:40:04.329 useful to learn how other people do things. So 00:40:04.329 --> 00:40:06.510 thanks to Sarah and to you as well for sharing 00:40:06.510 --> 00:40:10.829 yours. Hmm. Hmm. Cool. So should we go off and 00:40:10.829 --> 00:40:12.929 do some work now? We should do some work, shouldn't 00:40:12.929 --> 00:40:16.190 we? Yes, we should do some work. Yeah. Yeah. 00:40:17.090 --> 00:40:18.610 You're going to tell me all about your grandpa 00:40:18.610 --> 00:40:21.769 next week and I am going to talk about something 00:40:21.769 --> 00:40:24.730 else apart from the love book. I mean, I don't 00:40:24.730 --> 00:40:26.909 believe you, but yeah, go on then. We'll say 00:40:26.909 --> 00:40:29.340 that's what's going to happen. Yeah. Okay, thanks 00:40:29.340 --> 00:40:31.079 for listening, everybody. Happy researching, 00:40:31.340 --> 00:40:31.559 guys.