WEBVTT 00:00:06.170 --> 00:00:08.390 Hello everyone and welcome to Family Tree Talk, 00:00:08.429 --> 00:00:11.150 your favourite Family Tree podcast. I'm your 00:00:11.150 --> 00:00:13.910 co -host Nathan Ward and with me as always is... 00:00:13.910 --> 00:00:17.230 Helen Tovey. Hi Helen, how are you doing? I'm 00:00:17.230 --> 00:00:19.870 very, very well, yes, thanks. How are you? I'm 00:00:19.870 --> 00:00:22.329 okay, thank you. How's your family history going? 00:00:23.570 --> 00:00:26.969 It's going bionically. Bionically? I like the 00:00:26.969 --> 00:00:29.550 sound of that. I know, well... Unless the robots 00:00:29.550 --> 00:00:32.350 have taken over. Well, they are helping. Yes, 00:00:32.350 --> 00:00:36.729 they are helping. Yeah. So, well, back at the 00:00:36.729 --> 00:00:38.810 start of the year, what I've always done in my 00:00:38.810 --> 00:00:41.810 life is I always hope that I can do many, many 00:00:41.810 --> 00:00:44.869 more things than I can actually do. And so at 00:00:44.869 --> 00:00:47.909 the start of this year, as I just dial it down, 00:00:48.109 --> 00:00:51.909 Helen, focus on a few meaningful projects that 00:00:51.909 --> 00:00:53.950 you're going to be happy with that you've accomplished 00:00:53.950 --> 00:00:58.600 by the end of the year. And then. Try not to 00:00:58.600 --> 00:01:00.579 get distracted by rabbit holes. I have, of course, 00:01:00.579 --> 00:01:02.240 got distracted by rabbit holes, but just keep 00:01:02.240 --> 00:01:04.959 coming back to these four goals. And so I kind 00:01:04.959 --> 00:01:08.120 of made them one a season, one spring, summer, 00:01:08.180 --> 00:01:11.680 autumn, winter. Yeah. And the first one was my 00:01:11.680 --> 00:01:13.579 grandpa's logbook, which is a bit like Mary Ann 00:01:13.579 --> 00:01:14.900 Pickering. It's one of those things I've said 00:01:14.900 --> 00:01:17.299 six billion times. If you had a word cloud about 00:01:17.299 --> 00:01:19.439 me, my grandpa's logbook would come up. There's 00:01:19.439 --> 00:01:23.000 the great big word. But I made a start with it 00:01:23.000 --> 00:01:26.719 at the beginning of the year. And I. Kept running 00:01:26.719 --> 00:01:29.680 into the sand, partly due to problems with the 00:01:29.680 --> 00:01:32.359 AI and partly to do with problems how I was using 00:01:32.359 --> 00:01:34.400 the AI. Anyway, things have moved on because 00:01:34.400 --> 00:01:38.299 AI is progressing rapidly. I've learned a little 00:01:38.299 --> 00:01:40.939 bit more about how to use AI better. And we're 00:01:40.939 --> 00:01:45.040 now getting traction. So just last night at six 00:01:45.040 --> 00:01:48.760 minutes past 10, I actually generated a world 00:01:48.760 --> 00:01:51.359 map with all the places where he flew through 00:01:51.359 --> 00:01:55.329 the Second World War. plotted which is that was 00:01:55.329 --> 00:01:57.730 like my first little baby steps goal so anyone 00:01:57.730 --> 00:01:59.709 who's good at tech will go oh my life why has 00:01:59.709 --> 00:02:01.810 it taken her six months to accomplish this but 00:02:01.810 --> 00:02:03.329 it's one of those things with family history 00:02:03.329 --> 00:02:04.989 we have to do so much work behind the scenes 00:02:04.989 --> 00:02:08.550 so first of all I had to transcribe up his logbook 00:02:08.550 --> 00:02:10.090 and I wanted I was obviously I could do that 00:02:10.090 --> 00:02:14.419 manually but I wanted to use AI to help me Just 00:02:14.419 --> 00:02:16.740 as an exercise in AI, thinking, you know, how 00:02:16.740 --> 00:02:19.099 could it help me? I do actually really like transcribing, 00:02:19.099 --> 00:02:20.900 so a little bit of me was sneakily a little bit 00:02:20.900 --> 00:02:23.319 sad that AI was going to be helping me with this 00:02:23.319 --> 00:02:26.460 because I love the laborious, reflective nature 00:02:26.460 --> 00:02:29.400 of manually transcribing something. Not literally 00:02:29.400 --> 00:02:31.520 manually, I'll do it with typing, but, you know, 00:02:31.580 --> 00:02:33.639 me as a little human sitting there doing it. 00:02:34.219 --> 00:02:36.560 So getting AI to wrap through the pages, I felt 00:02:36.560 --> 00:02:39.080 a bit like it was taking away some of my calming. 00:02:40.019 --> 00:02:42.240 task bit of family history that I enjoy. Anyway, 00:02:42.360 --> 00:02:45.080 it did it and it was a mixed bag, but on balance, 00:02:45.120 --> 00:02:47.479 it was helpful. I've got this transcription, 00:02:47.680 --> 00:02:49.400 which I've checked and then because I'm neurotic, 00:02:49.460 --> 00:02:50.860 I double checked it again. So that was another 00:02:50.860 --> 00:02:52.280 two hours of my life because I thought this is 00:02:52.280 --> 00:02:54.659 worth, I'm going to be generating lots of things 00:02:54.659 --> 00:02:57.039 from this material. I really need to make sure 00:02:57.039 --> 00:02:59.620 those facts are straight before I go off and 00:02:59.620 --> 00:03:03.680 ask it to do X, Y and Z, it being AI. So then 00:03:03.680 --> 00:03:05.460 I've been asked and now I've got this transcription. 00:03:05.939 --> 00:03:10.250 I've got this body of really usable data like 00:03:10.250 --> 00:03:12.449 when it's just in the little paper his little 00:03:12.449 --> 00:03:15.729 paper notebook it's not very easy to work with 00:03:15.729 --> 00:03:18.550 whereas now I could just I uploaded the material 00:03:18.550 --> 00:03:21.069 from the workbook and meant extract me a list 00:03:21.069 --> 00:03:24.169 of place names extract me a list of all his operational 00:03:24.169 --> 00:03:26.169 flights as opposed to his training exercises 00:03:26.169 --> 00:03:28.750 so now I can just drill down and cut up all the 00:03:28.750 --> 00:03:32.460 little bits of information to get really fun 00:03:32.460 --> 00:03:34.719 little stories and insights. And they're not 00:03:34.719 --> 00:03:36.819 made up stories like, oh, it was a beautiful 00:03:36.819 --> 00:03:38.599 summer sunset and off he flew into the sky. It's 00:03:38.599 --> 00:03:41.539 not that sort of story, but literally just using 00:03:41.539 --> 00:03:43.840 the data to go, okay, these were his operational 00:03:43.840 --> 00:03:46.819 flights and this is where he flew. And so now 00:03:46.819 --> 00:03:49.199 I'm at the stage, I need to find out how far 00:03:49.199 --> 00:03:51.400 AI can help me with this. I have been asking 00:03:51.400 --> 00:03:54.259 to get the information about models of planes 00:03:54.259 --> 00:03:57.770 in particular. types of aircraft and it has some 00:03:57.770 --> 00:04:00.389 aircraft type, the name and the model number 00:04:00.389 --> 00:04:02.770 all through his log books. I've got, I don't 00:04:02.770 --> 00:04:04.770 know, countless, maybe like 15 different sorts 00:04:04.770 --> 00:04:07.430 of aircraft. That's really cool. Wow, he flew 00:04:07.430 --> 00:04:10.610 them all? Yes, yeah. Not being a pilot in all 00:04:10.610 --> 00:04:13.930 of them. Some of them he was like a warrant officer. 00:04:14.330 --> 00:04:17.089 I've learned jargon, WOM, he's Warrant Officer 00:04:17.089 --> 00:04:20.250 Mechanical, so he was, that was his role in lots 00:04:20.250 --> 00:04:22.029 of them. Some of them were just little two -seater 00:04:22.029 --> 00:04:25.379 things. Some of them... He was a gunner and you 00:04:25.379 --> 00:04:27.560 could see the little turret where he'd had to 00:04:27.560 --> 00:04:29.360 sit at the back. That was in like a Blenheim. 00:04:29.439 --> 00:04:32.459 I think he had to do that. And an Anson, which 00:04:32.459 --> 00:04:35.120 is terrifying. You've got this little glass roof 00:04:35.120 --> 00:04:38.120 above your head. You're pointing backwards, so 00:04:38.120 --> 00:04:40.720 you don't even know what's coming up ahead with 00:04:40.720 --> 00:04:42.420 the aircraft. And you're pointing backwards, 00:04:42.500 --> 00:04:45.540 trying to defend its tail. It's terrifying stuff, 00:04:45.620 --> 00:04:48.740 isn't it? Yeah, it does sound cool as well. It 00:04:48.740 --> 00:04:50.279 does sound cool. So now I've got the point. I've 00:04:50.279 --> 00:04:53.129 got my lovely map. With all the plots pointed, 00:04:53.410 --> 00:04:55.430 and then for each of the plot points, I want 00:04:55.430 --> 00:04:57.990 to add images of the relevant airplanes, and 00:04:57.990 --> 00:05:00.850 I want to add images of the original logbook, 00:05:01.009 --> 00:05:04.069 because then people can read those pages and 00:05:04.069 --> 00:05:06.449 then have a little narrative summary. And then 00:05:06.449 --> 00:05:09.170 my dream, which I will be able to get AI to do 00:05:09.170 --> 00:05:10.970 at some point, but I don't know how to do it 00:05:10.970 --> 00:05:14.310 yet, is to get some of his flights were just 00:05:14.310 --> 00:05:16.990 like an hour, but some were 12 hours long. Sometimes 00:05:16.990 --> 00:05:20.850 you fly for 19 hours in a day, yeah? Wow. I mean, 00:05:20.889 --> 00:05:22.769 I presume he had to stop for fuel. I have no 00:05:22.769 --> 00:05:25.029 idea about these things. But he was up in the 00:05:25.029 --> 00:05:27.730 air a lot. But I want to get a representation 00:05:27.730 --> 00:05:31.730 of the dot for each hour is one second. So you 00:05:31.730 --> 00:05:33.689 can see the dot travelling across the globe. 00:05:33.870 --> 00:05:37.730 Like one, two, for all the hours. That'd be cool, 00:05:37.790 --> 00:05:39.829 wouldn't it? Yeah, all of this sounds amazing. 00:05:39.829 --> 00:05:41.730 It sounds like a really cool little... I've actually 00:05:41.730 --> 00:05:44.610 made progress. Yeah, no, that sounds brilliant. 00:05:44.629 --> 00:05:47.930 You've done well. Yeah. Like, just going back 00:05:47.930 --> 00:05:49.410 a little bit, you were saying about when you 00:05:49.410 --> 00:05:51.250 were doing the transcribing, you felt a bit sad. 00:05:52.110 --> 00:05:54.250 Does that make you feel a bit more withdrawn 00:05:54.250 --> 00:05:56.810 from the text? Like, if you were transcribing 00:05:56.810 --> 00:05:58.550 it manually, you'd be literally reading every 00:05:58.550 --> 00:06:00.350 single word, so it's like you're reading the 00:06:00.350 --> 00:06:03.149 story as you're putting it together. Yeah. Has 00:06:03.149 --> 00:06:05.810 it removed that from it? If I'm really honest, 00:06:05.949 --> 00:06:09.850 in the sense of this logbook, kind of no, because 00:06:09.850 --> 00:06:13.139 there are lots of... acronyms and boring code 00:06:13.139 --> 00:06:15.740 numbers to transcribe which I think is one of 00:06:15.740 --> 00:06:17.720 the reasons why I chose this particular project 00:06:17.720 --> 00:06:21.180 to help get a computer to help me transcribe 00:06:21.180 --> 00:06:25.860 it because it's lots of like W8427 which is the 00:06:25.860 --> 00:06:28.060 model of one of the aircraft or whatever there's 00:06:28.060 --> 00:06:32.680 a lot of that and there's lots of military acronyms 00:06:32.680 --> 00:06:35.720 so it's unless you know what the acronyms mean 00:06:35.720 --> 00:06:37.560 which on the whole I don't know what they mean 00:06:37.560 --> 00:06:39.740 that it's not exciting reading it's just lots 00:06:39.740 --> 00:06:44.610 of code. Right, okay. You've converted it all 00:06:44.610 --> 00:06:47.649 to actual usable, searchable data, though. That's 00:06:47.649 --> 00:06:50.449 great, isn't it? It is. And one thing I've really 00:06:50.449 --> 00:06:52.189 noticed, I don't know if it's just because I'm 00:06:52.189 --> 00:06:53.810 using a different model. When I was trying to 00:06:53.810 --> 00:06:55.389 do this at the beginning of the year, I was using 00:06:55.389 --> 00:07:00.750 ChatGTP, and I was trying to have my program, 00:07:00.870 --> 00:07:02.790 my project I wanted to do, and it kept coming 00:07:02.790 --> 00:07:04.930 up with alternative suggestions at the end of 00:07:04.930 --> 00:07:06.649 every... I'd ask it to do something, and it'd 00:07:06.649 --> 00:07:08.649 go, and I can also do this. And it was kind of... 00:07:08.810 --> 00:07:12.170 A total, somebody like me who's prone to rabbit 00:07:12.170 --> 00:07:14.569 holes, it was a worst kind of friend. It's the 00:07:14.569 --> 00:07:16.769 kind of friend you don't need. You kept kind 00:07:16.769 --> 00:07:18.649 of inspiring me to go down other rabbit holes. 00:07:18.970 --> 00:07:22.389 And I've since learned that's because of, I should 00:07:22.389 --> 00:07:23.970 have known this already probably, the AI models 00:07:23.970 --> 00:07:25.629 trying to be sticky. They're trying to make you 00:07:25.629 --> 00:07:27.250 stay on them. They're trying to make you do the 00:07:27.250 --> 00:07:29.970 equivalent of doom scrolling. So having really 00:07:29.970 --> 00:07:31.529 long conversations with them, because obviously 00:07:31.529 --> 00:07:34.110 that's, they can learn off you while you're inputting 00:07:34.110 --> 00:07:37.410 all this data. It's really good for their kind 00:07:37.410 --> 00:07:41.199 of commercial. vibe that they can say people 00:07:41.199 --> 00:07:44.279 you use them a lot and stay on have long sessions 00:07:44.279 --> 00:07:46.759 but as you as a researcher your time is precious 00:07:46.759 --> 00:07:48.680 so you need to be really in charge of it do I 00:07:48.680 --> 00:07:51.060 want to spend this time or not as humans that's 00:07:51.060 --> 00:07:53.439 what's our most important commodity isn't it 00:07:53.439 --> 00:07:56.240 we've only got 24 hours each day yeah definitely 00:07:56.240 --> 00:07:58.959 and with with that chat gpt thing what you can 00:07:58.959 --> 00:08:01.079 do is just ask it not to ask questions at the 00:08:01.079 --> 00:08:04.060 end and you yes yeah And then it will just be 00:08:04.060 --> 00:08:05.540 like, okay, I'll just chat with you when you 00:08:05.540 --> 00:08:08.540 want me to chat or whatever. So I went over to 00:08:08.540 --> 00:08:10.759 Gemini because it's so good at transcriptions. 00:08:10.759 --> 00:08:12.819 And then Gemini, whether the algorithms changed 00:08:12.819 --> 00:08:15.160 or whether I was more terse with it. So it was 00:08:15.160 --> 00:08:16.800 like, oh, this isn't a chatty person, but we'll 00:08:16.800 --> 00:08:20.000 chat. Anyway, it's been much less rabbit hole 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:24.360 inducing. So it's good. Nice. I've only used 00:08:24.360 --> 00:08:28.120 Gemini to convert wine labels from French to 00:08:28.120 --> 00:08:32.000 English. That's a very useful use. Yes. Yes. 00:08:33.019 --> 00:08:36.980 I feel so educated now. Another thing I did. 00:08:37.039 --> 00:08:39.399 So I have the most shocking handwriting to the 00:08:39.399 --> 00:08:41.879 extent that I can't read my own handwriting half 00:08:41.879 --> 00:08:44.740 the time, which is a bit of a drawback. But so 00:08:44.740 --> 00:08:47.799 whenever I'm in meetings like now in a podcast 00:08:47.799 --> 00:08:50.700 or meetings with authors, I'll be jotting notes 00:08:50.700 --> 00:08:53.600 down and sometimes I can't read them. Anyway, 00:08:53.700 --> 00:08:56.690 I thought I'll just. give it a go. And so I just 00:08:56.690 --> 00:09:00.389 took photographs of pages from my notebook. And 00:09:00.389 --> 00:09:02.809 obviously you have to be really mindful it's 00:09:02.809 --> 00:09:04.789 not including any details of any living people, 00:09:04.850 --> 00:09:06.809 anything sensitive like that. But when it's just 00:09:06.809 --> 00:09:09.610 to do tasks, things I have to do. And then I 00:09:09.610 --> 00:09:12.090 did find that it transcribed everything perfectly. 00:09:12.769 --> 00:09:15.710 Yeah. That's hilarious. So AI can read your own 00:09:15.710 --> 00:09:20.429 handwriting better than you can. Yes. Yeah, that's 00:09:20.429 --> 00:09:22.610 what I was saying. We are lefties though, aren't 00:09:22.610 --> 00:09:27.200 we? Yeah. So it's been all about the AI for me 00:09:27.200 --> 00:09:30.980 this week, really, I think. Yeah. And I have 00:09:30.980 --> 00:09:34.860 been working on lots of fun projects for our 00:09:34.860 --> 00:09:39.379 Family Tree website, which we launched in May. 00:09:39.559 --> 00:09:42.360 And that's really cool. So we have this, if you 00:09:42.360 --> 00:09:44.360 go to our website, it's family -tree .co .uk. 00:09:44.759 --> 00:09:47.019 And if you go to the content library, which I 00:09:47.019 --> 00:09:49.279 think is mine and Nathan's favourite bit, because 00:09:49.279 --> 00:09:51.960 in there you can find everything we have. So 00:09:51.960 --> 00:09:54.950 you can find guides. which might be really in 00:09:54.950 --> 00:09:58.210 -depth blogs with loads of different information 00:09:58.210 --> 00:10:00.710 all on one subject, really coherent. It has like 00:10:00.710 --> 00:10:02.730 a nice contents list so you can see what's on 00:10:02.730 --> 00:10:05.950 the menu and hop to the bits you want. So I've 00:10:05.950 --> 00:10:10.029 been gradually writing new pieces for the website. 00:10:10.210 --> 00:10:12.429 That's exciting. I've been writing one recently 00:10:12.429 --> 00:10:15.409 about family history organisations and societies 00:10:15.409 --> 00:10:18.549 and groups. That made me very excited. Again, 00:10:18.610 --> 00:10:20.389 just need more time in the day to join all the 00:10:20.389 --> 00:10:22.049 different sort of organisations that there are. 00:10:23.839 --> 00:10:26.659 Yeah. Yeah, definitely. It's such a big hobby, 00:10:26.759 --> 00:10:28.480 isn't it? It's crazy. I was thinking that today, 00:10:28.600 --> 00:10:31.080 just looking through the different websites and 00:10:31.080 --> 00:10:33.059 all the information that I actually don't know 00:10:33.059 --> 00:10:35.059 and all the websites that I don't use properly. 00:10:35.139 --> 00:10:40.600 It's crazy. But we're all in that position, aren't 00:10:40.600 --> 00:10:43.519 we? But we don't need to be the expert on everything. 00:10:43.899 --> 00:10:45.940 I think probably what we need is we need to know 00:10:45.940 --> 00:10:49.559 where can I go and find this information and 00:10:49.559 --> 00:10:52.600 where is a reliable source of information. Yeah. 00:10:52.899 --> 00:10:55.159 Yeah. That's that's what we need to be able to. 00:10:55.860 --> 00:10:58.299 And then we can go and get that information when 00:10:58.299 --> 00:11:00.620 we need it to help us. Yeah. Time effective. 00:11:01.100 --> 00:11:04.799 Yeah. Yeah. So if you were looking, let's say 00:11:04.799 --> 00:11:06.139 you were stuck on your family history, where 00:11:06.139 --> 00:11:08.340 would you go to try and get some information? 00:11:08.539 --> 00:11:10.500 Where would you think is this is going to provide 00:11:10.500 --> 00:11:14.500 me with reliable, credible, safe information? 00:11:14.960 --> 00:11:17.559 I'd go straight to the hints on ancestry. Would 00:11:17.559 --> 00:11:20.059 you? No, that's sarcasm. Of course I wouldn't. 00:11:20.080 --> 00:11:23.179 That's dangerous. I would use the search on the 00:11:23.179 --> 00:11:26.399 ancestry, though, but obviously with a bit of 00:11:26.399 --> 00:11:28.720 caution and obviously checking my facts. I keep 00:11:28.720 --> 00:11:32.259 saying that I like to have three related data 00:11:32.259 --> 00:11:34.399 points if I'm going to say something's correct. 00:11:35.059 --> 00:11:38.340 So I would do that. Obviously, I would go to 00:11:38.340 --> 00:11:41.879 free BMD, birth, marriage and death, if I'm looking 00:11:41.879 --> 00:11:47.200 for one of those things. And what else do I use? 00:11:47.279 --> 00:11:50.440 Well, I use the GOV for ordering those things. 00:11:51.470 --> 00:11:54.029 Well, that's it. That's my safe zone. But obviously 00:11:54.029 --> 00:11:56.070 there is like Fire My Pass, which has obviously 00:11:56.070 --> 00:11:57.970 got the newspapers, which I'm slowly creeping 00:11:57.970 --> 00:12:00.409 into that. It's got a really good search engine, 00:12:00.429 --> 00:12:03.490 that one, actually, hasn't it? I don't know. 00:12:03.549 --> 00:12:06.950 Where else? Where else, Helen? So I think it's 00:12:06.950 --> 00:12:08.429 interesting listening to your answer because 00:12:08.429 --> 00:12:12.210 your answer wasn't at all what I was expecting 00:12:12.210 --> 00:12:14.129 or guessing at. That wasn't where my train of 00:12:14.129 --> 00:12:16.649 thought was heading. So I guess what I was thinking 00:12:16.649 --> 00:12:20.370 about is we... As family historians, we can't 00:12:20.370 --> 00:12:22.570 know everything. And even if we do read about 00:12:22.570 --> 00:12:23.990 it, we can't necessarily remember everything. 00:12:24.269 --> 00:12:28.149 But when we are taking another step into potentially 00:12:28.149 --> 00:12:31.370 new territory or a new time period or a new record 00:12:31.370 --> 00:12:34.629 collection, where would we go to find out about 00:12:34.629 --> 00:12:36.950 it? So for me, I'd say the National Archives 00:12:36.950 --> 00:12:39.450 Research Guides is something which people say 00:12:39.450 --> 00:12:41.769 time and again, and they're never going to stop 00:12:41.769 --> 00:12:44.889 being popular. They're always useful. They'll 00:12:44.889 --> 00:12:46.750 give you comprehensive information, and it could 00:12:46.750 --> 00:12:50.460 be about... people who served in the Royal Navy, 00:12:50.580 --> 00:12:54.059 or it could be about a particular, you can search 00:12:54.059 --> 00:12:56.820 by time periods as well. So it can be about a 00:12:56.820 --> 00:12:59.740 topic or a time period. So I'd search for, look 00:12:59.740 --> 00:13:02.740 for the National Archives Research Guides. Mentioned 00:13:02.740 --> 00:13:05.799 it before, the Family Search Wiki. So that has 00:13:05.799 --> 00:13:09.860 150 ,000 plus different articles. I'd look on 00:13:09.860 --> 00:13:12.840 there. I would look on the Family Tree website, 00:13:12.980 --> 00:13:14.659 which I just mentioned, because it is really 00:13:14.659 --> 00:13:16.580 credible, good information. It's a much smaller 00:13:16.580 --> 00:13:18.659 body of information. But what we're trying to 00:13:18.659 --> 00:13:21.000 do is keep it really, really useful and think, 00:13:21.039 --> 00:13:23.399 what do people actually get stuck on? What do 00:13:23.399 --> 00:13:25.700 they actually need to know about? So it's kind 00:13:25.700 --> 00:13:27.600 of, that's where it's coming from. And then we 00:13:27.600 --> 00:13:30.659 all point people off to the research guides and 00:13:30.659 --> 00:13:33.820 the wikis. Because there's no point in us reinventing 00:13:33.820 --> 00:13:36.159 the wheel. No, well, our website is very practical 00:13:36.159 --> 00:13:37.840 and real, isn't it? It's coming from the standpoint 00:13:37.840 --> 00:13:40.940 of what do people want? where are they going 00:13:40.940 --> 00:13:44.600 to go and we'll show you how to do it so i like 00:13:44.600 --> 00:13:46.679 it i do like our website that probably would 00:13:46.679 --> 00:13:48.340 be mine say if i didn't know what i was doing 00:13:48.340 --> 00:13:50.100 but then i've got you so it's cheating so i'll 00:13:50.100 --> 00:13:52.080 probably just go i'll just ask helen well i wouldn't 00:13:52.080 --> 00:13:53.720 rely on me that's a really hit and miss thing 00:13:53.720 --> 00:13:55.799 to do and then i just mentioned a moment ago 00:13:55.799 --> 00:13:58.720 the blog i put about um did about the family 00:13:58.720 --> 00:14:00.399 history societies and organizations that's a 00:14:00.399 --> 00:14:02.879 really good hub place because then from there 00:14:02.879 --> 00:14:04.840 you can go and find organizations and groups 00:14:04.840 --> 00:14:07.750 which you can Totally relevant to your geographical 00:14:07.750 --> 00:14:10.389 area that you live or that your ancestors came 00:14:10.389 --> 00:14:15.190 from or subjects, lines of work or religious 00:14:15.190 --> 00:14:18.350 affiliations they had. So that's to find groups 00:14:18.350 --> 00:14:20.850 relevant to all of those sort of things. That's 00:14:20.850 --> 00:14:24.590 good. But you sounded a bit nervous that you 00:14:24.590 --> 00:14:26.490 didn't know everything. I think I'm feeling increasingly 00:14:26.490 --> 00:14:28.330 nervous I don't know everything. And I think 00:14:28.330 --> 00:14:32.129 the more we see that's out there and the more... 00:14:32.809 --> 00:14:34.889 I don't know that AI helps. I think it makes 00:14:34.889 --> 00:14:37.830 you almost lose confidence. It's just such a 00:14:37.830 --> 00:14:40.289 big subject, isn't it? And there is a comfort 00:14:40.289 --> 00:14:42.850 zone that you're in, or I'm definitely in, and 00:14:42.850 --> 00:14:45.110 it's like the safe bits of ancestry using the 00:14:45.110 --> 00:14:48.009 census. I'm very happy there. That's my happy 00:14:48.009 --> 00:14:51.809 place. How do I get back quickly? But obviously 00:14:51.809 --> 00:14:53.509 now I'm hitting that point where I am getting 00:14:53.509 --> 00:14:56.730 nervous because I'm at the 1841 census, which 00:14:56.730 --> 00:14:59.409 is a little bit more dangerous than the other 00:14:59.409 --> 00:15:02.409 one. In my opinion, should I say. and you can't 00:15:02.409 --> 00:15:04.110 take all the information from it as readily. 00:15:05.269 --> 00:15:07.870 You have to be a bit more meticulous and the 00:15:07.870 --> 00:15:12.070 information isn't free -flowing. That scares 00:15:12.070 --> 00:15:15.730 me a bit. And then it is, like, obviously every 00:15:15.730 --> 00:15:17.629 single conversation we have, there's always somewhere 00:15:17.629 --> 00:15:19.809 else you can go to and something else you can 00:15:19.809 --> 00:15:21.970 look at and then some more texture you can add. 00:15:22.169 --> 00:15:25.029 So it comes from initially, like, you've just 00:15:25.029 --> 00:15:26.929 got names and dates to suddenly you've got an 00:15:26.929 --> 00:15:29.450 entire community that you're creating. And it's 00:15:29.450 --> 00:15:33.200 great. I love it. you can get lost and a bit 00:15:33.200 --> 00:15:37.340 dazzled by it all quite quickly. I think you 00:15:37.340 --> 00:15:39.419 mentioned this before, but for you saying about 00:15:39.419 --> 00:15:41.620 sticking with, say, ancestry, find my past, things 00:15:41.620 --> 00:15:43.500 like that, there's absolutely nothing wrong with 00:15:43.500 --> 00:15:46.460 that. And then so when you go to the search interface 00:15:46.460 --> 00:15:47.860 and you've got all those little search fields, 00:15:47.919 --> 00:15:49.980 if you just scroll down or there'll be a link 00:15:49.980 --> 00:15:51.600 somewhere which will say read more or whatever, 00:15:51.759 --> 00:15:54.559 and then you can just click that and then read 00:15:54.559 --> 00:15:57.659 about the 1841 and then you can find out what 00:15:57.659 --> 00:16:00.200 could you expect to find in the 1841 census. 00:16:01.039 --> 00:16:03.600 What can you not expect to find? What potential 00:16:03.600 --> 00:16:07.059 hazards there are? Yeah. Yeah. It's all useful 00:16:07.059 --> 00:16:10.799 stuff. It is. I've just been a bit lazy and scared 00:16:10.799 --> 00:16:12.919 about going further back. But I keep finding 00:16:12.919 --> 00:16:14.720 things to distract myself with before there. 00:16:14.879 --> 00:16:17.279 But it's coming, isn't it? I'm going to get to 00:16:17.279 --> 00:16:19.379 that point where I need to dive into that stuff. 00:16:21.100 --> 00:16:30.220 Did you, when you, because I start. talked at 00:16:30.220 --> 00:16:31.799 the beginning about how I'd set myself these 00:16:31.799 --> 00:16:33.879 four goals and so that's why it's breaking news 00:16:33.879 --> 00:16:36.019 I'm I'm just about finishing the goal for the 00:16:36.019 --> 00:16:38.139 first quarter of the year we're just about ending 00:16:38.139 --> 00:16:40.299 the second quarter of the year but never mind 00:16:40.299 --> 00:16:43.059 but I have been working on the second goal of 00:16:43.059 --> 00:16:45.820 the year as well so I feel like all my life I'm 00:16:45.820 --> 00:16:49.519 actually on track so do you which is I so I do 00:16:49.519 --> 00:16:51.440 set myself goals and I quite often miss them 00:16:51.440 --> 00:16:53.940 but that's why it's groundbreaking news for me 00:16:53.940 --> 00:16:55.980 to be actually roughly on track so do you set 00:16:55.980 --> 00:16:57.620 yourself goals and think right over the summer 00:16:57.620 --> 00:17:00.919 I want to accomplish this in my genealogy At 00:17:00.919 --> 00:17:05.259 the start of the year, I did. I was going, obviously, 00:17:05.359 --> 00:17:08.460 to do my, get all my third time's great grandparents. 00:17:09.299 --> 00:17:11.460 And I've achieved that, but I didn't set myself 00:17:11.460 --> 00:17:15.500 another goal beyond that. And I think that's 00:17:15.500 --> 00:17:17.500 probably why I'm sort of milling about a lot 00:17:17.500 --> 00:17:19.559 at the moment. I don't have an actual direction. 00:17:20.180 --> 00:17:23.299 I'm just latching onto things or finding little 00:17:23.299 --> 00:17:27.259 hints and going off on a little adventure. Sensibly 00:17:27.259 --> 00:17:29.099 speaking, I should try and get all my fourth. 00:17:29.660 --> 00:17:31.859 Which I probably will. Yeah, when I say probably 00:17:31.859 --> 00:17:33.480 will, I don't mean I'll find them all. I meant 00:17:33.480 --> 00:17:37.240 that's the task I'll give myself. So yeah, it 00:17:37.240 --> 00:17:39.079 does help, doesn't it? It gives you some direction 00:17:39.079 --> 00:17:42.220 and some focus. It just gets harder, doesn't 00:17:42.220 --> 00:17:44.180 it? The further back you go. Gosh, I'm lazy. 00:17:45.059 --> 00:17:47.359 You're not lazy. You're not lazy. I'll do it. 00:17:48.009 --> 00:17:50.170 What you've been really good at, which I think 00:17:50.170 --> 00:17:52.750 definitely me and maybe other people in times 00:17:52.750 --> 00:17:54.950 gone past, when we started doing our family history, 00:17:55.130 --> 00:17:59.190 we'd very much stick to the core lines. And if 00:17:59.190 --> 00:18:01.710 we stumbled across siblings, then we would add 00:18:01.710 --> 00:18:03.509 those siblings that we stumbled across to the 00:18:03.509 --> 00:18:05.529 tree. But we wouldn't necessarily do an exhaustive 00:18:05.529 --> 00:18:08.589 search for all of our direct ancestors' siblings 00:18:08.589 --> 00:18:11.329 as we went. But I feel as though you have been 00:18:11.329 --> 00:18:14.029 much better at thinking, have I got the whole 00:18:14.029 --> 00:18:16.470 family before moving on to the next bit? Do you 00:18:16.470 --> 00:18:19.589 feel as though you have? I totally disagree. 00:18:20.109 --> 00:18:24.430 Yeah. I've been looking. I don't even have some 00:18:24.430 --> 00:18:26.650 of my great aunts and my great uncles on my tree, 00:18:26.809 --> 00:18:28.970 which is daft because I know who they are and 00:18:28.970 --> 00:18:30.930 I've got lots of information about them quite 00:18:30.930 --> 00:18:34.609 readily. So there are definite gaps, people that 00:18:34.609 --> 00:18:36.849 I just haven't bothered to put on. But as I do 00:18:36.849 --> 00:18:38.890 find people in the censuses, I am adding them. 00:18:39.869 --> 00:18:42.109 Maybe it's why I've got that generational gap 00:18:42.109 --> 00:18:44.109 there because obviously a lot of them don't really 00:18:44.109 --> 00:18:47.119 appear on anything. Apart from maybe the 1939. 00:18:48.140 --> 00:18:52.799 Maybe even then, not on that. Maybe I'm doing 00:18:52.799 --> 00:18:55.980 that. The thing for me I have found is the more 00:18:55.980 --> 00:18:58.259 interesting people when I'm looking for stories 00:18:58.259 --> 00:19:01.059 or events, they always seem to be the aunts and 00:19:01.059 --> 00:19:03.079 the uncles and the cousins. It's never the people 00:19:03.079 --> 00:19:04.880 on my direct line that give me the adventure 00:19:04.880 --> 00:19:08.259 stories. So that's what's drawn me to the side 00:19:08.259 --> 00:19:12.160 shoots. And do you think that's just because 00:19:12.160 --> 00:19:15.859 they feel novel? Most likely, yeah, definitely. 00:19:16.420 --> 00:19:18.180 People that I've not heard about, and then it's 00:19:18.180 --> 00:19:20.519 like, you kind of want to, like, I want to dazzle 00:19:20.519 --> 00:19:22.119 my mum and my aunties and stuff like that, and 00:19:22.119 --> 00:19:23.599 be like, oh, look at this person, you didn't 00:19:23.599 --> 00:19:25.059 know anything about this person, you've never 00:19:25.059 --> 00:19:29.200 mentioned them. It's nice to share a story, isn't 00:19:29.200 --> 00:19:33.039 it? That's not been heard before. Whereas I think, 00:19:33.079 --> 00:19:35.299 like, obviously my mum's done the family tree 00:19:35.299 --> 00:19:38.240 before, so she's quite good at the direct line. 00:19:38.339 --> 00:19:40.839 She seems to know them really well, still recalls 00:19:40.839 --> 00:19:43.700 it all quite quickly. It's just nice to do something 00:19:43.700 --> 00:19:45.019 a little bit different that hasn't been looked 00:19:45.019 --> 00:19:48.819 at. I definitely think for me, the sharing the 00:19:48.819 --> 00:19:52.859 story bit, that's always exciting. That's why 00:19:52.859 --> 00:19:55.119 I want to create the map of the logbooks. I feel 00:19:55.119 --> 00:19:57.400 as though if I just digitized the logbook and 00:19:57.400 --> 00:20:00.039 made it into a little flickable through digital 00:20:00.039 --> 00:20:03.279 thing and put it on my website, I feel as though 00:20:03.279 --> 00:20:05.460 lots of my relationships have to work too hard 00:20:05.460 --> 00:20:09.700 to have fun with it. Whereas if I can, so I've 00:20:09.700 --> 00:20:13.339 digitized all the pages. So if I made like a 00:20:13.339 --> 00:20:15.460 PowerPoint, for instance, and I have, they can 00:20:15.460 --> 00:20:17.779 flick through and see all the digitized images 00:20:17.779 --> 00:20:19.960 of the PowerPoint. But if I can link through 00:20:19.960 --> 00:20:21.799 to a Google map so they can see where the Cocoa 00:20:21.799 --> 00:20:24.279 Islands were or and they can see what plane he 00:20:24.279 --> 00:20:26.440 was flying in the Cocoa Islands. This is better, 00:20:26.539 --> 00:20:29.920 isn't it? Yeah. And with just two simple things. 00:20:30.019 --> 00:20:33.119 And then if I could say a little fact about this 00:20:33.119 --> 00:20:35.039 is what his role was in this bit, he would have 00:20:35.039 --> 00:20:37.039 been having to do this on this sort of plane. 00:20:37.519 --> 00:20:40.970 Then suddenly this is worth a bit, huh? oh this 00:20:40.970 --> 00:20:43.569 is worth my time yeah yeah to be honest it's 00:20:43.569 --> 00:20:45.250 nothing to do with me and I want to see it I 00:20:45.250 --> 00:20:47.970 am obviously a bit of an aviation geek but it 00:20:47.970 --> 00:20:51.450 just sounds like a really cool project cool well 00:20:51.450 --> 00:20:53.170 that's that's encouraging to hear you say that 00:20:53.170 --> 00:20:56.029 because that that's that for me the sharing bit 00:20:56.509 --> 00:20:59.529 And then somebody actually being interested is 00:20:59.529 --> 00:21:02.369 phenomenal. And it's not to be taken for granted. 00:21:03.089 --> 00:21:04.910 So anyone else is going to be interested in what 00:21:04.910 --> 00:21:07.009 we do. Part of us, we don't mind, do we? Because 00:21:07.009 --> 00:21:09.329 we find it so fascinating. And I don't know why 00:21:09.329 --> 00:21:11.890 I do family history. I do it because I love doing 00:21:11.890 --> 00:21:16.089 it. I find it calming, fascinating. Couldn't 00:21:16.089 --> 00:21:18.309 think of not doing it. Always wish I had more 00:21:18.309 --> 00:21:21.569 time to do different projects. It takes me painstaking 00:21:21.569 --> 00:21:25.069 and painstakingly slow. I'm always... I'm too 00:21:25.069 --> 00:21:28.349 slow at it, but anyway, I'm slow at it. But yeah, 00:21:28.369 --> 00:21:30.190 sharing is definitely one of the things why I 00:21:30.190 --> 00:21:34.130 love doing it. Yeah. Like for me, like if I've 00:21:34.130 --> 00:21:36.009 mentioned it to my kids, I'll get a grunt or 00:21:36.009 --> 00:21:40.029 a, oh yeah, or an okay. They don't care. And 00:21:40.029 --> 00:21:44.230 then randomly I'll mention it to someone or somebody 00:21:44.230 --> 00:21:46.509 will mention it to me and want to know the details 00:21:46.509 --> 00:21:48.569 and actually are invested in my little stories 00:21:48.569 --> 00:21:50.880 and that. It actually, I find it quite jarring 00:21:50.880 --> 00:21:52.460 and shocking. I'm like, oh, right, you actually 00:21:52.460 --> 00:21:54.680 do want to know this. And then I start reciting 00:21:54.680 --> 00:21:56.640 stuff and it's like, oh my God, I actually do 00:21:56.640 --> 00:22:00.019 know this as well. It's a very strange sort of 00:22:00.019 --> 00:22:03.059 place to be. We've got a really cool project 00:22:03.059 --> 00:22:05.099 coming up later in the year. People are going 00:22:05.099 --> 00:22:07.759 to start hearing about it soon. And we're working 00:22:07.759 --> 00:22:12.900 with Jana Hellstein. main thing is about genealogy 00:22:12.900 --> 00:22:15.339 for our descendants. So she's really, really 00:22:15.339 --> 00:22:17.859 keen on the fact that we don't just have family 00:22:17.859 --> 00:22:20.019 history doing it for us. She's really keen on 00:22:20.019 --> 00:22:24.619 the fact that we hand on stuff, memories, maybe 00:22:24.619 --> 00:22:27.400 items we're lucky enough to have, a sense of 00:22:27.400 --> 00:22:29.740 ourselves and our values, all of that sort of 00:22:29.740 --> 00:22:33.680 thing. We hand it on to future generations. So 00:22:33.680 --> 00:22:38.180 sharing is crucial. It is. It's very interesting 00:22:38.180 --> 00:22:42.000 because like... Last week I met up with my mum 00:22:42.000 --> 00:22:45.779 and my auntie and my uncle and obviously I started 00:22:45.779 --> 00:22:48.819 talking about family tree stuff. I shared their... 00:22:48.819 --> 00:22:53.299 My auntie and my uncle's child is my cousin. 00:22:53.480 --> 00:22:55.619 Obviously that's a stupid thing to say. Anyway, 00:22:55.759 --> 00:22:58.099 we're both runners. So I shared a picture of 00:22:58.099 --> 00:23:00.500 my grandad running with my cousin because he'd 00:23:00.500 --> 00:23:03.319 not seen this picture and he was interested and 00:23:03.319 --> 00:23:05.000 he started going off on one like, why haven't 00:23:05.000 --> 00:23:06.519 I seen this picture before? This is brilliant, 00:23:06.619 --> 00:23:09.200 blah, blah, blah. So we all started talking a 00:23:09.200 --> 00:23:11.940 little bit about family history. And I did a 00:23:11.940 --> 00:23:15.259 little bit more digging in my mum's family history 00:23:15.259 --> 00:23:18.460 trunk. And there were some certificates from 00:23:18.460 --> 00:23:21.660 the London College of Music for my grandad. And 00:23:21.660 --> 00:23:23.920 they didn't tell you anything on them about what 00:23:23.920 --> 00:23:26.180 they were for. So I was quizzing my uncle. I 00:23:26.180 --> 00:23:29.000 was like, do you know what grandad did musically? 00:23:29.180 --> 00:23:31.640 He goes, oh, no, he wasn't into music at all. 00:23:32.220 --> 00:23:34.460 And I'm like, well, I've got two certificates 00:23:34.460 --> 00:23:37.059 that prove otherwise. from the London College 00:23:37.059 --> 00:23:40.220 of Music. So it evolved a long conversation that 00:23:40.220 --> 00:23:42.880 then eventually transpired that they had a piano 00:23:42.880 --> 00:23:44.400 in the house and he'd totally forgotten about 00:23:44.400 --> 00:23:47.779 it, but he'd never seen his dad use it. And then 00:23:47.779 --> 00:23:49.700 my mum chimed in with a bit more information. 00:23:49.700 --> 00:23:51.500 It turns out, yeah, he really loved playing the 00:23:51.500 --> 00:23:55.220 piano. So it was such a weird conversation. You'd 00:23:55.220 --> 00:23:58.259 think this information would be known, but it 00:23:58.259 --> 00:23:59.980 could quite easily get lost, couldn't it? If 00:23:59.980 --> 00:24:03.099 my uncle, who doesn't know his dad, enjoyed playing 00:24:03.099 --> 00:24:06.019 the piano and my mum hadn't chimed in. then that 00:24:06.019 --> 00:24:07.380 information will be lost. It's like I've got 00:24:07.380 --> 00:24:09.980 these weird certificates that mean nothing. Yes. 00:24:10.980 --> 00:24:13.680 About getting on for 20 years ago, I did a half 00:24:13.680 --> 00:24:16.779 marathon. And when I did it, I'd never run that 00:24:16.779 --> 00:24:18.819 far in my life. I'd run eight miles before then. 00:24:18.920 --> 00:24:22.319 And I did it with my cousin, actually. And so 00:24:22.319 --> 00:24:24.160 we both were running this half marathon. Neither 00:24:24.160 --> 00:24:25.900 of us had run that far in our lives. And we were 00:24:25.900 --> 00:24:28.119 like... Well, eight miles is our personal best, 00:24:28.319 --> 00:24:31.079 so that's how untrained we were for it. And if 00:24:31.079 --> 00:24:32.960 we managed to run it further than eight miles, 00:24:33.079 --> 00:24:35.099 we were like, fantastic, that'll be our new personal 00:24:35.099 --> 00:24:37.819 best. So we ran and we managed to get to the 00:24:37.819 --> 00:24:39.640 end and we got our little medal that everybody 00:24:39.640 --> 00:24:42.480 gets when you do this sort of event. Anyway, 00:24:42.539 --> 00:24:44.319 I've now kept that and it's in one of my memory 00:24:44.319 --> 00:24:48.500 boxes. But probably even my kids will have forgotten 00:24:48.500 --> 00:24:51.420 about this. My grandkids certainly won't see 00:24:51.420 --> 00:24:53.200 me as a runner. I don't even own a pair of trainers 00:24:53.200 --> 00:24:55.940 you could go for a run in. And so... That will 00:24:55.940 --> 00:24:57.500 be a mystery to them because they'll be like, 00:24:57.539 --> 00:24:59.539 nope, nope, she never went for any runs. She 00:24:59.539 --> 00:25:03.259 couldn't run. So I'm now a living example of 00:25:03.259 --> 00:25:06.000 your grandpa's piano situation. It's curious, 00:25:06.180 --> 00:25:07.980 isn't it? Just small details of your life that 00:25:07.980 --> 00:25:10.599 can be overlooked. Whereas for me, that was a 00:25:10.599 --> 00:25:13.559 massive achievement. A dying consummate for ages. 00:25:14.400 --> 00:25:16.740 You should be proud. Yeah, I was very proud. 00:25:16.779 --> 00:25:18.779 Well, I'm still proud, but it feels like a different 00:25:18.779 --> 00:25:21.400 person did that. You could do it again, I'm sure. 00:25:21.959 --> 00:25:24.299 I don't think I'm going to. I have no intention 00:25:24.299 --> 00:25:26.180 to. I have so many more things higher up the 00:25:26.180 --> 00:25:28.140 wish list. I think we're going to train you up 00:25:28.140 --> 00:25:29.819 and then next year I'll take you out for a half 00:25:29.819 --> 00:25:34.579 marathon. I don't think so. The amount of training. 00:25:34.759 --> 00:25:36.819 I would never get any more family history done 00:25:36.819 --> 00:25:38.599 because I'd have to be doing so much training 00:25:38.599 --> 00:25:41.799 to move me from where I am now. That is true. 00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:52.230 It is an undertaking. So I've been talking to 00:25:52.230 --> 00:25:54.970 people recently about where they store their 00:25:54.970 --> 00:25:58.170 family history. So are you in the stage, you've 00:25:58.170 --> 00:25:59.650 got your notebooks, you've got your genealogy 00:25:59.650 --> 00:26:03.730 journal? Yes, that is my primary information 00:26:03.730 --> 00:26:07.109 storage point now, to be honest. I'm very, very 00:26:07.109 --> 00:26:09.450 bad on my digital files. Apart from updating 00:26:09.450 --> 00:26:12.829 Ancestry itself, I don't really use my digital 00:26:12.829 --> 00:26:16.130 research log at all, which is very, very bad. 00:26:17.259 --> 00:26:20.259 I'm trying to evolve a little bit and try and 00:26:20.259 --> 00:26:22.900 get as much on Ancestry as I can so that actually 00:26:22.900 --> 00:26:26.460 in essence becomes my research log. I'm not saying 00:26:26.460 --> 00:26:29.059 I'm doing a good job of it because I'm not, but 00:26:29.059 --> 00:26:31.700 that's my intention. Then I can just log into 00:26:31.700 --> 00:26:33.660 it wherever I am and then I can go to the notes 00:26:33.660 --> 00:26:36.619 or the comments and see what I'm thinking and 00:26:36.619 --> 00:26:38.500 where I'm going if something were to just crop 00:26:38.500 --> 00:26:42.380 up. Yeah, my main document is my genealogy journal 00:26:42.380 --> 00:26:45.000 now and then the notes that I have in between 00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:48.049 which are just... scrolled madness, basically. 00:26:48.170 --> 00:26:51.769 But hopefully the journal sorts that out. Do 00:26:51.769 --> 00:26:53.809 you know, you definitely shouldn't feel like 00:26:53.809 --> 00:26:55.509 you're doing a bad job. Partly, if you're doing 00:26:55.509 --> 00:26:57.650 any family history, I think that's a great job 00:26:57.650 --> 00:27:00.210 to hear. Anyone doing any family history, that's... 00:27:00.210 --> 00:27:03.190 Think of all the things that you could do while 00:27:03.190 --> 00:27:04.710 you're on planet Earth. Family history's got 00:27:04.710 --> 00:27:06.410 to be one of the best things you could do for 00:27:06.410 --> 00:27:10.670 every reason. Like, just for mental health, I 00:27:10.670 --> 00:27:12.329 think it's genuinely good for people's mental 00:27:12.329 --> 00:27:15.670 health to have a bigger... perspective of our 00:27:15.670 --> 00:27:17.509 time than just the time we live in. That can 00:27:17.509 --> 00:27:19.910 be quite calming to realise there's always been 00:27:19.910 --> 00:27:23.509 troubles and woes and we keep going. I think 00:27:23.509 --> 00:27:25.509 that's an important thing to take away from family 00:27:25.509 --> 00:27:28.869 history. And it's just a fun puzzle on the kind 00:27:28.869 --> 00:27:31.430 of flip fun side of it, isn't it? So you definitely 00:27:31.430 --> 00:27:33.190 should feel like you are, if you're doing family 00:27:33.190 --> 00:27:35.109 history, you are doing a good job and you are 00:27:35.109 --> 00:27:39.369 by nature a conscientious person. And you do 00:27:39.369 --> 00:27:41.089 do lots of things that I've told you to do that 00:27:41.089 --> 00:27:43.589 I don't necessarily do myself. So you dig well. 00:27:43.690 --> 00:27:50.390 Yeah. and it feels so so we work Nathan and I 00:27:50.390 --> 00:27:53.470 work in different offices and the office that 00:27:53.470 --> 00:27:56.049 I work in a few times a week has loads of people 00:27:56.049 --> 00:27:58.750 there maybe like 160 people all different age 00:27:58.750 --> 00:28:01.529 ranges I'm definitely on the older age range 00:28:01.529 --> 00:28:04.500 there And what I really notice is lots of the 00:28:04.500 --> 00:28:05.920 people who are much younger, so people in their 00:28:05.920 --> 00:28:08.599 20s and 30s, they have beautiful notebooks on 00:28:08.599 --> 00:28:11.940 their desks with their big flasks of water. And 00:28:11.940 --> 00:28:16.400 I always feel so impressive. And so it's literally 00:28:16.400 --> 00:28:18.640 like a little mini digital detox sitting there, 00:28:18.680 --> 00:28:22.359 this paper notebook with a nice pen. And we are 00:28:22.359 --> 00:28:25.000 little humans. We're made of real things. And 00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:28.339 I think we do like, I think, the Genie Analyst 00:28:28.339 --> 00:28:31.410 Journal on the one hand. That paper notebook 00:28:31.410 --> 00:28:33.269 is very old -fashioned. On the other hand, it's 00:28:33.269 --> 00:28:37.170 cutting -edge digital detox. It's nice. It is. 00:28:37.390 --> 00:28:39.589 It's lovely. It's just taking that time out to 00:28:39.589 --> 00:28:42.730 be away from the screen, isn't it? Yeah. Even 00:28:42.730 --> 00:28:45.390 just writing itself. I mean, I draw and paint 00:28:45.390 --> 00:28:48.529 and stuff, so I do generally end up scrolling 00:28:48.529 --> 00:28:51.609 or doodling all the time. But it is just nice 00:28:51.609 --> 00:28:53.309 to actually do the proper art of actually just 00:28:53.309 --> 00:28:55.109 writing something down instead of just typing 00:28:55.109 --> 00:28:58.740 it. But yes, life is chaotic, isn't it? So yeah, 00:28:58.799 --> 00:29:00.460 you should be proud when you get to do some family 00:29:00.460 --> 00:29:03.640 history. I struggle at the moment. I feel so 00:29:03.640 --> 00:29:06.420 busy, but I'm doing small things and then I'm 00:29:06.420 --> 00:29:08.460 like, it's not enough, but at least I have done 00:29:08.460 --> 00:29:10.980 something. Like since last week, all I've done 00:29:10.980 --> 00:29:14.839 is write up my notes. I say my notes, the notes 00:29:14.839 --> 00:29:17.539 that the listeners gave me about Alexander McKay. 00:29:17.539 --> 00:29:20.400 I've gone back in, I've written those notes up 00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:23.529 so that they're now on Ancestry. So I've got 00:29:23.529 --> 00:29:26.250 the marriage for Dorothy and Alexander and the 00:29:26.250 --> 00:29:28.309 marriage for Alexander and Jesse, which I had 00:29:28.309 --> 00:29:30.390 before. Anyway, bits, all those bits and bats. 00:29:30.910 --> 00:29:33.049 And then the only thing that I've managed to 00:29:33.049 --> 00:29:36.529 try and do is look for the birth of a child between 00:29:36.529 --> 00:29:38.349 Alexander and Jesse, because that was like one 00:29:38.349 --> 00:29:41.849 of my last remaining missions for this section. 00:29:42.650 --> 00:29:45.009 I couldn't really find it. I did a search where 00:29:45.009 --> 00:29:47.269 I thought, right, maybe the child was born illegitimately 00:29:47.269 --> 00:29:49.569 and that's why he got married. In my head, again, 00:29:49.670 --> 00:29:52.250 I've made up a story where it was a marriage 00:29:52.250 --> 00:29:54.069 of convenience because they'd had a child and 00:29:54.069 --> 00:29:55.670 that's why they got divorced, because it wasn't 00:29:55.670 --> 00:29:58.130 meant to be. Yakety smackety, blah, blah, blah. 00:29:58.789 --> 00:30:01.309 So I went for like a year or two earlier than 00:30:01.309 --> 00:30:03.890 the marriage just to see if that was going to 00:30:03.890 --> 00:30:07.710 happen. And I actually found a birth of a child 00:30:07.710 --> 00:30:10.809 in 1927, which is the year they got married. 00:30:11.819 --> 00:30:16.700 So it does tie, but going back, if you remember, 00:30:16.759 --> 00:30:19.039 I found a bunch of McKays in Middlesbrough and 00:30:19.039 --> 00:30:21.799 they were having children every two years. Well, 00:30:21.880 --> 00:30:23.799 this is a McKay in Middlesbrough. So part of 00:30:23.799 --> 00:30:26.519 me thinks, oh, it's tied to that. But then I 00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:28.200 was like, I need to find out. So I should probably 00:30:28.200 --> 00:30:34.640 go and buy the digital image. So I went to the 00:30:34.640 --> 00:30:37.119 GOV to buy the digital image, filled all the 00:30:37.119 --> 00:30:40.450 information out. It came up. it won't actually 00:30:40.450 --> 00:30:42.430 let me buy a digital image, it will only let 00:30:42.430 --> 00:30:45.150 me buy a certificate? Is that a common occurrence? 00:30:45.829 --> 00:30:49.970 It is, but if you wait till next year, maybe 00:30:49.970 --> 00:30:52.150 the year after, you'll be able to get it. And 00:30:52.150 --> 00:30:56.089 the reason is because there's a 100 -year closure 00:30:56.089 --> 00:31:01.369 period on those, just for people's security and 00:31:01.369 --> 00:31:05.109 their personal privacy, isn't it? So they don't 00:31:05.109 --> 00:31:08.319 want to be readily giving away... the JPEGs, 00:31:08.339 --> 00:31:10.920 you know, just for three quid. So there's a 100 00:31:10.920 --> 00:31:14.599 -year closure period for the birth records. There's 00:31:14.599 --> 00:31:18.460 a 50 -year, so because he was born 1927, then 00:31:18.460 --> 00:31:23.220 that's within the 100 -year closure period. Yeah. 00:31:23.299 --> 00:31:26.359 All right. That's cool. And for death records, 00:31:26.500 --> 00:31:32.339 it's 50 years, which takes us to 1976. And then 00:31:32.339 --> 00:31:36.079 for marriage records, it's 75 years, but marriage 00:31:36.079 --> 00:31:37.380 is slightly different because they don't have 00:31:37.380 --> 00:31:40.779 the digitised marriage registers. So you have 00:31:40.779 --> 00:31:43.000 to pay the £12, don't you, to get a marriage 00:31:43.000 --> 00:31:46.559 certificate. But it's all got the 75. It's not 00:31:46.559 --> 00:31:49.140 just for England or Wales. There's the 50, 75, 00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:51.859 100 year period. You find that in Scotland on 00:31:51.859 --> 00:31:54.859 Scotland's People. You find it across other websites 00:31:54.859 --> 00:31:58.640 because we know as family historians, you can 00:31:58.640 --> 00:32:01.160 piece together a few clues about a living person. 00:32:01.599 --> 00:32:07.180 quite easily yeah definitely yeah yeah right 00:32:07.180 --> 00:32:09.039 that's that's good to know then I thought I was 00:32:09.039 --> 00:32:10.579 doing something wrong I thought oh maybe the 00:32:10.579 --> 00:32:12.440 website's broken or something weird's going on 00:32:12.440 --> 00:32:14.680 but it will literally only let me buy a certificate 00:32:14.680 --> 00:32:17.740 and being the type person I am I'm like this 00:32:17.740 --> 00:32:19.920 is a side shoot this is a proper rabbit hole 00:32:19.920 --> 00:32:22.680 I don't really need to know this Interesting. 00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:26.339 So you could add a little note to yourself or 00:32:26.339 --> 00:32:28.579 if you've added the person provisionally to your 00:32:28.579 --> 00:32:30.259 tree, you could add a little note to them or 00:32:30.259 --> 00:32:32.960 add a note to one of their parents and say, if 00:32:32.960 --> 00:32:34.480 you do it as a note, then only you can see it. 00:32:34.500 --> 00:32:35.940 It's not like a comment. So on your ancestry 00:32:35.940 --> 00:32:38.539 tree under the mother, you could say this is 00:32:38.539 --> 00:32:40.200 potentially their baby. This is a volume page 00:32:40.200 --> 00:32:43.839 number. And then I need to check back in 2028 00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:46.619 and see if I can order this. Yeah. Yep. Definitely. 00:32:47.119 --> 00:32:49.839 Yeah. I feel like I need to put a full stop on 00:32:49.839 --> 00:32:53.900 this. It's a side shoot search. We've done well. 00:32:53.900 --> 00:32:56.500 We've found some good information. Here's an 00:32:56.500 --> 00:32:58.220 interesting one. I think I've done this before 00:32:58.220 --> 00:33:02.299 as well. But last week, one of the listeners 00:33:02.299 --> 00:33:06.579 told us that they'd found Dorothy McKay's marriage 00:33:06.579 --> 00:33:10.700 after Alexander McKay died. Do I put that on 00:33:10.700 --> 00:33:13.720 my tree? She's not a blood relation to me. And 00:33:13.720 --> 00:33:16.019 obviously he's really not a blood relation to 00:33:16.019 --> 00:33:21.700 me. Do I? Well, I mean, it's not wrong to put 00:33:21.700 --> 00:33:25.039 it on. Because we're all part of a massive network, 00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:28.619 aren't we, of marriages and remarriages and children 00:33:28.619 --> 00:33:31.779 and blended families. And even if your family 00:33:31.779 --> 00:33:33.940 didn't have any blended families or any remarriages, 00:33:33.980 --> 00:33:37.180 it's still part of a network. The other side 00:33:37.180 --> 00:33:41.279 branches, we all network together. So it's not 00:33:41.279 --> 00:33:45.039 not connected. You can keep adding those nodules 00:33:45.039 --> 00:33:48.029 onto your tree. Perfectly legitimate. The button's 00:33:48.029 --> 00:33:52.430 there to do it. I suspect I probably would add 00:33:52.430 --> 00:33:56.410 it to my tree. And the reason is because you 00:33:56.410 --> 00:33:59.289 and a helpful listener have done that thinking 00:33:59.289 --> 00:34:04.150 power. They found them. And then otherwise at 00:34:04.150 --> 00:34:06.069 some point in the future, you might find yourself 00:34:06.069 --> 00:34:09.030 dabbling in that area again because 10 years 00:34:09.030 --> 00:34:12.050 time, 20 years time. And if you've got some information, 00:34:12.130 --> 00:34:14.210 it seems silly not to record it in an easily 00:34:14.210 --> 00:34:17.710 findable way. spend time on something again in 00:34:17.710 --> 00:34:19.289 the future there's too many other things to do 00:34:19.289 --> 00:34:24.289 yeah I guess if I'm forgetful in the future I 00:34:24.289 --> 00:34:28.789 go to the 1939 census not census register and 00:34:28.789 --> 00:34:31.150 I see Dorothy and she's got the her name crossed 00:34:31.150 --> 00:34:33.389 out and it says me I'm going to be like oh what's 00:34:33.389 --> 00:34:36.030 that what's this marriage but yeah right I would 00:34:36.030 --> 00:34:38.389 add it and I and you can even write in the notes 00:34:38.389 --> 00:34:41.690 you can say I've added this so that I don't um 00:34:41.690 --> 00:34:43.550 we tread all ground in the future just add a 00:34:43.550 --> 00:34:47.230 note to yourself or let's say you were going 00:34:47.230 --> 00:34:48.969 to bequeath your tree, because our ancestry, 00:34:49.110 --> 00:34:50.769 you can set up someone who you're going to hand 00:34:50.769 --> 00:34:52.909 your tree onto. Let's say you can bequeath it 00:34:52.909 --> 00:34:55.090 to one of your kids. And then you can put a note 00:34:55.090 --> 00:34:57.329 in there so that when you do eventually pop your 00:34:57.329 --> 00:34:59.389 clogs, they inherit your ancestry tree. They'll 00:34:59.389 --> 00:35:01.750 go, why on earth has dad included Dorothy's second 00:35:01.750 --> 00:35:04.110 husband on here? And then you put a note just 00:35:04.110 --> 00:35:07.409 to save me time. Yeah. Yeah. I guess there is 00:35:07.409 --> 00:35:11.289 another part of me. Oh, this is deep psychology 00:35:11.289 --> 00:35:15.880 now on my part. If I put him on there. Ancestry 00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:17.579 might then be like, hey, there's some hints here 00:35:17.579 --> 00:35:19.739 for this guy. Do you want to research these hints? 00:35:19.780 --> 00:35:21.340 And it's like, all right, okay, he's nothing 00:35:21.340 --> 00:35:24.519 to do with me. But equally, if I put him on there 00:35:24.519 --> 00:35:27.119 and I don't have any sources citing what he's 00:35:27.119 --> 00:35:30.440 done, it's going to affect my tree score. So 00:35:30.440 --> 00:35:33.480 then I'm going to end up researching him and 00:35:33.480 --> 00:35:35.159 have a completely different tree that means nothing 00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:38.980 to me. Well, or you could just add the information 00:35:38.980 --> 00:35:41.420 about him then as a note in Dorothy, but don't 00:35:41.420 --> 00:35:44.849 actually add him. And then you've got it in an 00:35:44.849 --> 00:35:48.309 organised, findable way. Don't want to ruin my 00:35:48.309 --> 00:35:50.730 train score, do we? Well, add it to your research 00:35:50.730 --> 00:35:52.690 log. Just don't rely on your brain. That's what 00:35:52.690 --> 00:35:54.510 I'm trying to say. Write it down somewhere. Write 00:35:54.510 --> 00:35:56.409 it in your genealogy journal. Do whatever you 00:35:56.409 --> 00:35:59.250 want, but put it down somewhere. I am being silly. 00:35:59.329 --> 00:36:01.510 I will add it to my tree. I really don't care 00:36:01.510 --> 00:36:04.230 about tree rating anymore. It's still at 9 .9, 00:36:04.250 --> 00:36:06.809 by the way. I don't care about it, though. It's 00:36:06.809 --> 00:36:10.139 because... It does that refresh thing. It's never 00:36:10.139 --> 00:36:12.360 going to go up unless I do something like pay 00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:15.019 for more. I'm quite happy for it to drop as long 00:36:15.019 --> 00:36:19.440 as my facts are correct. Okay. Okay. Yeah. I 00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:21.179 feel like that was like a mini therapy session 00:36:21.179 --> 00:36:23.780 for me then, just that little instant. Talking 00:36:23.780 --> 00:36:27.139 yourself down and going it's okay about the tree 00:36:27.139 --> 00:36:30.739 score. It's all safe. We're good. Yeah. Yeah. 00:36:37.420 --> 00:36:40.719 So what are you going to do this week then? I 00:36:40.719 --> 00:36:47.300 endeavour to go further back. I think I'm going 00:36:47.300 --> 00:36:49.880 to make the bold claim that I'm going to start 00:36:49.880 --> 00:36:52.820 looking for the fourth time great grandparents. 00:36:54.380 --> 00:36:57.739 In fact, I might as well stay on the path I'm 00:36:57.739 --> 00:37:00.059 on. I love the McKays, don't I? But anyway, the 00:37:00.059 --> 00:37:02.639 McKays, I'll follow them back. I'm pretty sure 00:37:02.639 --> 00:37:05.219 that Alexander McKay, who's James McKay's dad, 00:37:05.320 --> 00:37:08.380 James McKay is... The rogue Alexander McKay. 00:37:09.340 --> 00:37:12.159 That's his dad. But I'm pretty sure that Alexander 00:37:12.159 --> 00:37:14.519 McKay's dad... Oh, my God, there's too many Alexanders. 00:37:15.099 --> 00:37:17.179 Anyway, his dad's called Alexander. I've got 00:37:17.179 --> 00:37:19.739 a hint of that, so I think I'll trace that and 00:37:19.739 --> 00:37:24.179 see if I can get some fourth times. Nice. I also, 00:37:24.219 --> 00:37:26.880 though, feel guilty because I'm pretty sure I'm 00:37:26.880 --> 00:37:29.900 missing a couple of dates with a third -time 00:37:29.900 --> 00:37:32.880 great -grandparent. So maybe I need to investigate 00:37:32.880 --> 00:37:37.090 those. Hmm. Which way are you looking at your 00:37:37.090 --> 00:37:38.849 tree? Are you looking at your tree on Ancestry 00:37:38.849 --> 00:37:43.530 as a, like, vertically or horizontally? I'm not 00:37:43.530 --> 00:37:45.489 looking at my tree at all. I'm totally focused 00:37:45.489 --> 00:37:48.010 on talking to you right now. Are you? I just 00:37:48.010 --> 00:37:49.550 don't believe you. No, I'm not. I am looking 00:37:49.550 --> 00:37:51.550 at my tree. I'm looking at it vertically and 00:37:51.550 --> 00:37:54.829 it's a right mess. And I'm just a bit confused. 00:37:55.230 --> 00:37:58.030 Did I set myself the goal of getting my second 00:37:58.030 --> 00:37:59.849 time great grandparents at the start of the year? 00:37:59.909 --> 00:38:05.199 Or was it third? I think it was your third. I'm 00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:06.980 a bad lad then because I've got quite a few that 00:38:06.980 --> 00:38:12.159 don't have death dates. Interesting. I'm very 00:38:12.159 --> 00:38:14.579 confused right now because I thought I'd made 00:38:14.579 --> 00:38:18.460 that my challenge. This is why I should have 00:38:18.460 --> 00:38:19.760 had a research log. Do you know what? I actually 00:38:19.760 --> 00:38:21.340 did record all this information on my research 00:38:21.340 --> 00:38:24.340 log so I will know what my challenge was. I was 00:38:24.340 --> 00:38:25.440 just going to say, if you're looking at your 00:38:25.440 --> 00:38:27.940 tree vertically, look at your tree horizontally 00:38:27.940 --> 00:38:30.659 on Ancestry and then you can... You could just 00:38:30.659 --> 00:38:32.599 see your direct lines and then you can quickly 00:38:32.599 --> 00:38:34.420 click through all of those people and quickly 00:38:34.420 --> 00:38:37.480 see who you're missing dates for. That's actually 00:38:37.480 --> 00:38:40.920 really calming. I've just done that. Yes. Right, 00:38:40.980 --> 00:38:46.079 so I've got death dates for all of my great -grandparents. 00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:50.780 Birth, marriage and death. Yeah, yeah. I'm missing 00:38:50.780 --> 00:38:54.519 a few little bits. Right, okay. No, I found all 00:38:54.519 --> 00:38:56.440 the death dates for the second time great -grandparents. 00:38:57.039 --> 00:38:59.039 I found all the third -time great -grandparents, 00:38:59.119 --> 00:39:02.539 I just don't have death dates for them. So I've 00:39:02.539 --> 00:39:05.119 got two options. I can try and claim all these 00:39:05.119 --> 00:39:08.719 death dates for the third times, or I can sneak 00:39:08.719 --> 00:39:10.480 away and try and get some fourth -times people. 00:39:11.199 --> 00:39:14.179 Or I could do both. I imagine some are going 00:39:14.179 --> 00:39:15.760 to lead to the other. When you start researching 00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:19.099 one person, you inevitably end up finding the 00:39:19.099 --> 00:39:22.079 parents on the sentences. Obviously, I am in 00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:26.030 the danger zone of the 1841. You could do it, 00:39:26.050 --> 00:39:27.929 Nathan. There's a lot going on here. This is 00:39:27.929 --> 00:39:32.489 stressful. So, yeah, that's what I'm going to 00:39:32.489 --> 00:39:34.969 do. Something around there. I'm going to be very 00:39:34.969 --> 00:39:38.090 quick. And we'll find out next week what you 00:39:38.090 --> 00:39:40.570 actually did. Yes, I won't hold myself accountable 00:39:40.570 --> 00:39:44.309 in any shape, form or way. OK, that sounds good. 00:39:44.429 --> 00:39:48.170 I think that sounds realistic. Yeah. Yeah, I 00:39:48.170 --> 00:39:49.690 mean, what sounds realistic is I'm probably going 00:39:49.690 --> 00:39:52.389 to end up doing nothing. No, you won't do nothing. 00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:54.659 I'll tell you what, I'm going to give the readers 00:39:54.659 --> 00:39:57.059 a few surnames and a few names and they can do 00:39:57.059 --> 00:39:59.659 it for me. That was brilliant. That's my favourite 00:39:59.659 --> 00:40:02.840 research. Which is more meticulous than my own 00:40:02.840 --> 00:40:06.820 as well. They were impressively meticulous. Oh, 00:40:06.820 --> 00:40:10.019 I love it. Clear and orderly. I love that. So 00:40:10.019 --> 00:40:12.719 proud of them all. Brilliant. Yeah. Obviously, 00:40:12.820 --> 00:40:14.539 I'm going to do my own research. I'm not that 00:40:14.539 --> 00:40:17.860 much of a bad lad. Cool. What about you? What 00:40:17.860 --> 00:40:20.739 are you going to do then? So I am going to finish 00:40:20.739 --> 00:40:23.210 off over the next week. Between now and the middle 00:40:23.210 --> 00:40:25.309 of next week, I'm going to finish off the logbook. 00:40:25.329 --> 00:40:29.329 So I've got to add the pictures of the scanned 00:40:29.329 --> 00:40:31.989 in pages and the logbook. And I've got to add 00:40:31.989 --> 00:40:33.989 a picture of the aeroplane and a little tiny 00:40:33.989 --> 00:40:38.210 sentence or two. And at a glance, kind of exciting 00:40:38.210 --> 00:40:41.070 little mini micro story so that when I show my 00:40:41.070 --> 00:40:44.130 brothers this interactive map and they can click 00:40:44.130 --> 00:40:45.550 and see all these pictures and these places in 00:40:45.550 --> 00:40:47.590 the world and the aeroplanes, potentially my 00:40:47.590 --> 00:40:49.050 kids, but definitely my brothers will be interested. 00:40:50.559 --> 00:40:52.860 they actually feel like, oh, this is exciting. 00:40:53.099 --> 00:40:56.320 This is interesting. Yeah. I'm really jealous 00:40:56.320 --> 00:40:57.800 of that project. So that's what I'm going to 00:40:57.800 --> 00:41:00.159 do because then the next few weeks after that 00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:01.699 get really busy and suddenly I'll be breaking 00:41:01.699 --> 00:41:03.920 my goal and I won't accept my goal. So it won't 00:41:03.920 --> 00:41:05.800 be perfect. I won't have achieved the goal perfectly, 00:41:05.940 --> 00:41:08.559 but I will have achieved it enough to make a 00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:11.800 shareable fun project. Yeah. And as soon as you 00:41:11.800 --> 00:41:13.340 share it with someone and they get excited about 00:41:13.340 --> 00:41:16.599 it, that'll spur you on to finish it off or tart 00:41:16.599 --> 00:41:19.590 it up even more. Yes, I might do a little PowerPoint 00:41:19.590 --> 00:41:22.829 with it as well. Yeah, not with me talking and 00:41:22.829 --> 00:41:24.650 them having to be a captive audience. I'll make 00:41:24.650 --> 00:41:26.710 it into a little video so that they can do it 00:41:26.710 --> 00:41:29.369 as quickly as they like. So that's me. And then 00:41:29.369 --> 00:41:33.170 I've got to move, my next goal is, yeah, the 00:41:33.170 --> 00:41:35.070 old photos. There's still loads of old photos 00:41:35.070 --> 00:41:38.670 I haven't scanned in. Yeah. That is fun though, 00:41:38.690 --> 00:41:39.989 that one, isn't it? That's nice. It's really 00:41:39.989 --> 00:41:43.630 fun and very rabbit hole -y. I loved it. Like 00:41:43.630 --> 00:41:45.710 just that small thing of sharing. I think this 00:41:45.710 --> 00:41:47.860 is what I was talking about before. sharing that 00:41:47.860 --> 00:41:50.820 picture with my cousin I didn't expect the reaction 00:41:50.820 --> 00:41:53.179 that he gave I just thought like oh yeah that's 00:41:53.179 --> 00:41:55.500 cool but then he actually started asking me all 00:41:55.500 --> 00:41:57.579 about my family history and how far I got back 00:41:57.579 --> 00:41:59.840 and where are we from from like he wanted to 00:41:59.840 --> 00:42:02.400 know it's like brilliant yeah yeah it was great 00:42:02.400 --> 00:42:04.780 I was so shocked that he engaged me with it in 00:42:04.780 --> 00:42:08.699 the way he did it was cool yeah yeah yeah I'm 00:42:08.699 --> 00:42:10.320 doing as bad as you know I'm just writing a note 00:42:10.320 --> 00:42:12.000 to myself what I'm going to do so I don't forget 00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:15.619 it We're there. Goodness. I hope everyone else 00:42:15.619 --> 00:42:18.260 is having a more clear -headed time than Nathan 00:42:18.260 --> 00:42:20.300 and I are. Our heads just swimming with all the 00:42:20.300 --> 00:42:22.099 things we have to do, all the things we want 00:42:22.099 --> 00:42:25.019 to do. And it's tough, isn't it, to get it into 00:42:25.019 --> 00:42:27.619 each day? It really is. I mean, I think that's 00:42:27.619 --> 00:42:30.739 the moral of today's podcast. Don't beat yourself 00:42:30.739 --> 00:42:32.400 up if you don't get as much done as you want 00:42:32.400 --> 00:42:34.659 to get done. As long as you're doing a little 00:42:34.659 --> 00:42:36.860 bit. As long as you're doing a little bit, as 00:42:36.860 --> 00:42:38.199 long as you're writing it down, you're doing 00:42:38.199 --> 00:42:40.659 good. Oh, you had to throw writing it down in 00:42:40.659 --> 00:42:45.800 there. Only because I've sung so much that I've 00:42:45.800 --> 00:42:48.159 never written down and it makes me sad, so I 00:42:48.159 --> 00:42:51.739 don't like to think about that. Don't be sad. 00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:55.219 Yeah. Okay, well, thanks for listening in, everybody. 00:42:55.760 --> 00:42:58.400 Yep, happy researching, everyone. Okay, bye -bye.