WEBVTT 00:00:05.949 --> 00:00:09.230 Hello and welcome to Family Tree Talk, your favourite 00:00:09.230 --> 00:00:11.949 family history podcast. My name's Helen Tovey, 00:00:11.970 --> 00:00:14.029 I'm editor of Family Tree and with me is... Nathan 00:00:14.029 --> 00:00:17.170 Ward. Hello there. Hi Nathan. So I don't even 00:00:17.170 --> 00:00:19.329 need to ask how your family history is going 00:00:19.329 --> 00:00:21.570 this week because I know how it's going because 00:00:21.570 --> 00:00:25.050 we've had some amazing emails from some podcast 00:00:25.050 --> 00:00:26.890 listeners. I'm just going to give one of them 00:00:26.890 --> 00:00:29.370 a shout out and then shall we look in depth at 00:00:29.370 --> 00:00:31.329 what the other people have been telling you? 00:00:31.660 --> 00:00:34.600 Let's do that indeed. Okay, so first of all, 00:00:34.619 --> 00:00:37.340 this is a quick shout out for Tony. And Tony 00:00:37.340 --> 00:00:42.159 just had such a lovely message for us. And he 00:00:42.159 --> 00:00:43.820 says he wanted to thank us because he's been 00:00:43.820 --> 00:00:46.020 listening to the podcast since it first started. 00:00:46.100 --> 00:00:48.179 And it's so good that it's the first podcast 00:00:48.179 --> 00:00:50.840 that he downloads and listens to each week as 00:00:50.840 --> 00:00:52.780 he drives to work. And it's been a joy to listen 00:00:52.780 --> 00:00:55.659 to Nathan's journey from a wannabe Viking to 00:00:55.659 --> 00:00:57.560 a proper family historian. So you hear that, 00:00:57.619 --> 00:00:59.259 Nathan? You're no longer a newbie. You're a proper 00:00:59.259 --> 00:01:03.630 family historian. I did a nudge by Helen. Would 00:01:03.630 --> 00:01:05.870 you agree that's gentle? I think I am quite lenient 00:01:05.870 --> 00:01:08.810 on you. I'm not sure you are. I think you're 00:01:08.810 --> 00:01:11.049 very bossy. I'm not sure I am a proper historian, 00:01:11.189 --> 00:01:12.810 but yes, thank you. That's very nice to hear. 00:01:13.230 --> 00:01:14.870 And he says, even though he's never met either 00:01:14.870 --> 00:01:16.829 of us, we feel like old friends. Well, I have 00:01:16.829 --> 00:01:18.909 to say, our podcast listeners definitely, definitely 00:01:18.909 --> 00:01:22.189 feel like friends. And we have some really good 00:01:22.189 --> 00:01:24.530 emails this week, don't we? Which are really 00:01:24.530 --> 00:01:26.769 like above and beyond friendship. They're really 00:01:26.769 --> 00:01:30.260 useful to you. Yes, they are indeed. So do you 00:01:30.260 --> 00:01:32.799 want to fire away? I will fire away. I'm jealous. 00:01:33.040 --> 00:01:35.640 I am jealous. Okay, right. Well, a quick recap, 00:01:35.840 --> 00:01:38.319 if nobody knows what I'm talking about. I was 00:01:38.319 --> 00:01:42.379 looking for my, oh, I can't remember what relation 00:01:42.379 --> 00:01:44.420 is. Anyway, some guy called Alexander McKay, 00:01:44.420 --> 00:01:46.620 who's on my tree. I think he's like my great 00:01:46.620 --> 00:01:49.260 -great -great -great -grandparents' brother or 00:01:49.260 --> 00:01:51.620 something like that. I could find the facts out, 00:01:51.640 --> 00:01:54.670 but whatever. Anyway, he was married. There was 00:01:54.670 --> 00:01:58.269 a rumor that he had a child. And then he allegedly 00:01:58.269 --> 00:02:01.730 was married again to another woman up here. And 00:02:01.730 --> 00:02:03.510 I couldn't find much of anything to do with it. 00:02:03.549 --> 00:02:05.310 It was a bit of a mystery. So there was a missing 00:02:05.310 --> 00:02:08.969 child, a missing marriage for the second person. 00:02:09.409 --> 00:02:11.689 And there was a marriage for the first person. 00:02:12.270 --> 00:02:14.810 But that person disappeared. Wow, I'm making 00:02:14.810 --> 00:02:17.870 this sound crazy. Anyway, Alexander McKay married 00:02:17.870 --> 00:02:20.740 someone called Jesse. And we had a record of 00:02:20.740 --> 00:02:23.219 this marriage and the parents matched up and 00:02:23.219 --> 00:02:25.719 it was all very tickety -boo. I could match it 00:02:25.719 --> 00:02:28.699 all to my tree, very happy with it. My mum didn't 00:02:28.699 --> 00:02:32.080 know anything of her. She only knew Auntie Dolly. 00:02:32.219 --> 00:02:34.280 Now, Auntie Dolly we thought was called Dorothy 00:02:34.280 --> 00:02:38.439 and we were trying to work out if there was a 00:02:38.439 --> 00:02:42.740 death or a divorce for Jessie. and where Dolly 00:02:42.740 --> 00:02:44.939 came in and how they got married and all the 00:02:44.939 --> 00:02:47.620 documents seem to be missing. So it's been a 00:02:47.620 --> 00:02:49.419 little bit of a couple of weeks mystery where 00:02:49.419 --> 00:02:52.259 I've found a little bit, but not much. Anyway, 00:02:52.360 --> 00:02:55.139 after last week, we got a bit of advice last 00:02:55.139 --> 00:02:58.740 week, didn't we? And I went away and did a bit 00:02:58.740 --> 00:03:01.039 more research and I went back to some of the 00:03:01.039 --> 00:03:02.819 stuff that I'd previously done where I don't 00:03:02.819 --> 00:03:04.719 know if I said I did some research and I couldn't 00:03:04.719 --> 00:03:06.520 remember how I'd found these names out, but I'd 00:03:06.520 --> 00:03:09.710 found a Dorothy Wood. who would potentially be 00:03:09.710 --> 00:03:12.750 Dorothy McKay later on. And we've had some media 00:03:12.750 --> 00:03:14.509 letters that back up what I've thought there. 00:03:14.629 --> 00:03:16.849 So literally, I started doing my research again. 00:03:17.229 --> 00:03:19.590 And as it is, I haven't needed to because you 00:03:19.590 --> 00:03:21.789 guys, the community, have come to my rescue in 00:03:21.789 --> 00:03:24.509 an amazing way. I'm actually quite emotional 00:03:24.509 --> 00:03:27.389 about this. Like, the level of detail that we've 00:03:27.389 --> 00:03:29.889 got a few listeners that have come in, it's just 00:03:29.889 --> 00:03:32.349 amazing. Like, talk about going off on your own 00:03:32.349 --> 00:03:34.150 rabbit holes and then taking mine instead. It's 00:03:34.150 --> 00:03:37.159 great. So anyway, let's, I'll go through these 00:03:37.159 --> 00:03:41.840 emails. We've got one from Abby, who is all the 00:03:41.840 --> 00:03:45.819 way in New Zealand. And she said, hi, Nathan 00:03:45.819 --> 00:03:48.879 and Helen, love your podcast. And she goes into 00:03:48.879 --> 00:03:51.199 details on what she's found for my Dolly mystery. 00:03:51.439 --> 00:03:55.900 So on free BMD, she found the death of Dorothy 00:03:55.900 --> 00:03:59.139 Louise May, which again is another thing I should 00:03:59.139 --> 00:04:03.180 add. There was a thing on the 1939 register. 00:04:04.139 --> 00:04:07.280 where her name McKay had been crossed out and 00:04:07.280 --> 00:04:10.139 me, M -double -E, had been put in instead. And 00:04:10.139 --> 00:04:11.699 then there are a few little squiggles and numbers 00:04:11.699 --> 00:04:15.300 suggesting something to research. Anyway, so 00:04:15.300 --> 00:04:18.259 she's found the death of Dolly Louise Me in Leeds 00:04:18.259 --> 00:04:22.180 in 1987 and the birth date matches what was on 00:04:22.180 --> 00:04:25.879 the 1939 register. She's also found the marriage 00:04:25.879 --> 00:04:30.519 of Dorothy McKay to Reginald Me in Bradford in 00:04:30.519 --> 00:04:34.459 1976. And she's also found the marriage. Now, 00:04:34.480 --> 00:04:36.800 this ties up with what I was saying. The marriage 00:04:36.800 --> 00:04:39.839 of Dorothy L. Wood to Alexander McKay in Wakefield 00:04:39.839 --> 00:04:42.839 in 1934. So that's a massive bit of missing information 00:04:42.839 --> 00:04:44.720 that I actually couldn't find. She has found 00:04:44.720 --> 00:04:47.459 that. She goes on to say that figuring out what 00:04:47.459 --> 00:04:50.060 happened to Jesse McKay near Robinson was a bit 00:04:50.060 --> 00:04:52.680 more difficult. She can't find an obvious death. 00:04:53.060 --> 00:04:54.959 So there's a few search options that I should 00:04:54.959 --> 00:04:57.899 look into there. She suggested searching Jesse 00:04:57.899 --> 00:05:01.079 in 1939. I've already done that. I can't find 00:05:01.079 --> 00:05:03.490 her. If she's not there, look for a marriage 00:05:03.490 --> 00:05:07.389 and death after 1939. If she's not there, check 00:05:07.389 --> 00:05:09.310 for Jesse Robinson and make sure she didn't go 00:05:09.310 --> 00:05:11.970 back to her maiden name. If no, likely Jesse 00:05:11.970 --> 00:05:14.009 Robinson, then look for the marriage of Jesse 00:05:14.009 --> 00:05:17.050 Robinson, sorry, Jesse Robinson or Jesse McKay 00:05:17.050 --> 00:05:22.410 after 1928, etc. So just really brilliant stuff 00:05:22.410 --> 00:05:25.430 there. And it's really helpful and factual and 00:05:25.430 --> 00:05:28.110 has helped me get on. All fabulous. So thank 00:05:28.110 --> 00:05:31.589 you for that. It's such a good... Abbey's provided 00:05:31.589 --> 00:05:34.470 you with such a good step -by -step list of things 00:05:34.470 --> 00:05:37.050 you could potentially do next. It's so orderly, 00:05:37.050 --> 00:05:40.189 isn't it? It is, yes. And I would ordinarily 00:05:40.189 --> 00:05:44.029 have gone on and done that. But we've had another 00:05:44.029 --> 00:05:48.430 listener, Sarah, who's in Australia. And she 00:05:48.430 --> 00:05:53.040 has gone and... Really, I am taken aback by the 00:05:53.040 --> 00:05:55.240 level of detail that Sarah's gone into on this. 00:05:55.319 --> 00:05:58.040 It's amazing. She's sent even like a spreadsheet, 00:05:58.220 --> 00:05:59.759 which I'll go into once I've gone through the 00:05:59.759 --> 00:06:01.899 information she's given. It's just mind -boggling. 00:06:02.300 --> 00:06:03.980 She's put, this is my first time writing into 00:06:03.980 --> 00:06:06.160 a podcast. I've been listening all the way through 00:06:06.160 --> 00:06:08.000 the back catalogue since the start of the year 00:06:08.000 --> 00:06:10.579 and have thoroughly enjoyed it. It's been fascinating 00:06:10.579 --> 00:06:12.980 following Nathan's genealogy, I can't say the 00:06:12.980 --> 00:06:15.939 word, genealogy journey from the beginning and 00:06:15.939 --> 00:06:17.480 to hear how his research skills have developed 00:06:17.480 --> 00:06:20.129 over time. And it goes on. So she said, when 00:06:20.129 --> 00:06:22.129 I heard the discussion about Nathan's great -granduncle, 00:06:22.189 --> 00:06:24.310 there you go, he's my great -granduncle, I found 00:06:24.310 --> 00:06:26.490 myself disappearing down a McKay -sized rabbit 00:06:26.490 --> 00:06:29.050 hole. That's nice to hear because I do like a 00:06:29.050 --> 00:06:32.649 rabbit hole. So here we go. She's done a lot 00:06:32.649 --> 00:06:35.050 of digging for us. She has found Alexander McKay. 00:06:35.110 --> 00:06:37.310 She's found the marriage of Jesse and Alexander, 00:06:37.610 --> 00:06:41.290 which I did have that one. So that's already 00:06:41.290 --> 00:06:45.610 cool. And she is then found on the 1929 electoral 00:06:45.610 --> 00:06:49.680 register. She's found... Alexander and Jesse 00:06:49.680 --> 00:06:53.540 on Find My Past, that is. So them together there. 00:06:53.959 --> 00:06:56.959 And this is so meticulous. Sarah's literally 00:06:56.959 --> 00:06:59.420 written down everywhere she's found these people 00:06:59.420 --> 00:07:01.779 and then given reference to where she's found 00:07:01.779 --> 00:07:04.620 them. If people were good, they'd put them in 00:07:04.620 --> 00:07:08.379 the research log. I'm not sure I'm so good. Anyway, 00:07:08.579 --> 00:07:12.000 a really interesting one now. In 1932, she has 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:15.740 found the divorce of Alexander and Jesse in the 00:07:15.740 --> 00:07:18.579 National Archives. So I'm probably going to come 00:07:18.579 --> 00:07:20.620 back to you on this, Helen, because I've never 00:07:20.620 --> 00:07:22.680 used the National Archives and I'm a little bit 00:07:22.680 --> 00:07:24.459 clueless about it. So I never would have found 00:07:24.459 --> 00:07:25.680 this because I wouldn't have even thought to 00:07:25.680 --> 00:07:28.660 look there. So I'm fascinated by that. So yeah, 00:07:28.720 --> 00:07:30.300 she's found the divorce. So I need to look at 00:07:30.300 --> 00:07:33.160 that document. She has also found the marriage 00:07:33.160 --> 00:07:36.639 of Alexander and Dorothy in 1934, which again 00:07:36.639 --> 00:07:38.899 is what Abby was saying as well. So those two 00:07:38.899 --> 00:07:41.379 match up. And then after that, she's given herself 00:07:41.379 --> 00:07:44.920 a side quest where... I actually noticed this 00:07:44.920 --> 00:07:47.319 as well myself in the research. We've got the 00:07:47.319 --> 00:07:49.600 census where there were four children and only 00:07:49.600 --> 00:07:51.319 two survived. So there's two missing children. 00:07:51.540 --> 00:07:53.579 I obviously stopped on this project because I 00:07:53.579 --> 00:07:55.000 started getting a little bit emotional about 00:07:55.000 --> 00:07:58.139 it all. But she's actually gone on and decided 00:07:58.139 --> 00:08:00.120 to do a bit of digging for these missing children. 00:08:00.259 --> 00:08:02.360 She's found one, but not the other missing one. 00:08:02.980 --> 00:08:05.500 So it's just stunning. Absolutely amazing. I'm 00:08:05.500 --> 00:08:07.379 absolutely thrilled by this. And like I said, 00:08:07.399 --> 00:08:08.899 I'm really touched. Like we've got such an amazing 00:08:08.899 --> 00:08:11.480 community that's like gone and done my research 00:08:11.480 --> 00:08:14.509 for me. It's making me quite lazy, but it's just 00:08:14.509 --> 00:08:17.730 stunning. And Sarah has also sent over an Excel 00:08:17.730 --> 00:08:20.629 document, which it just makes me feel a bit embarrassed 00:08:20.629 --> 00:08:22.350 about the level of my research. It's amazing. 00:08:22.430 --> 00:08:26.629 It's an Excel document and it has the year down 00:08:26.629 --> 00:08:31.430 the side, starting from 1868. It has the name 00:08:31.430 --> 00:08:33.350 of everybody going across the top. James Maxwell 00:08:33.350 --> 00:08:36.350 McKay, Mary Jane, Mary McKay, Phyllis, et cetera, 00:08:36.409 --> 00:08:39.529 Alexander. and it just charts what they were 00:08:39.529 --> 00:08:41.850 up to and where they were found on each like 00:08:41.850 --> 00:08:45.889 census or whatever document and then along the 00:08:45.889 --> 00:08:48.389 side of that as well going down it's got events 00:08:48.389 --> 00:08:50.750 so like the coronation of the queen for example 00:08:50.750 --> 00:08:53.909 or the london dock strikes so it's giving you 00:08:53.909 --> 00:08:56.129 like context for like what was going on in the 00:08:56.129 --> 00:08:58.909 world this document is just stunning um like 00:08:58.909 --> 00:09:01.570 i'm very ashamed of all of my work it's just 00:09:01.570 --> 00:09:04.029 meticulous it's i'm just like flabbergasted by 00:09:04.029 --> 00:09:06.789 this it's so good And then at the bottom corner 00:09:06.789 --> 00:09:09.210 of this document, which you get to like, I mean, 00:09:09.230 --> 00:09:12.929 it goes on and on to like 2012. But at the bottom, 00:09:12.929 --> 00:09:15.169 she's put loads of follow up questions and things 00:09:15.169 --> 00:09:17.850 to do as well. So her follow up questions were, 00:09:17.990 --> 00:09:21.529 did Alexander McKay serve? If so, find records. 00:09:22.009 --> 00:09:25.070 What happened to Jessie after she divorced? So 00:09:25.070 --> 00:09:28.570 they're two good questions. And then to do, she's 00:09:28.570 --> 00:09:31.470 put find a picture close to 1921 of the where. 00:09:32.200 --> 00:09:35.259 Houseman Clerks and Drapers School, which I believe 00:09:35.259 --> 00:09:38.120 last week's, I can't remember, forgive me. Brian. 00:09:38.419 --> 00:09:41.940 He found a video of it, didn't he? So we have 00:09:41.940 --> 00:09:45.320 that. And also find an old map to picture for 00:09:45.320 --> 00:09:48.259 Moorside Idol Bradford. Yeah, which is cool. 00:09:48.320 --> 00:09:49.639 I could just run there and do that. That was 00:09:49.639 --> 00:09:52.159 quite near me. Find records of Alexander between 00:09:52.159 --> 00:09:57.779 1914 and 1973. Order the divorce record. Further 00:09:57.779 --> 00:10:00.039 research is needed into this record. It may not 00:10:00.039 --> 00:10:03.940 be relation... Oh, yeah. So there's somebody 00:10:03.940 --> 00:10:06.120 born in Middlesbrough, which I think I, again, 00:10:06.179 --> 00:10:08.039 touched on last week. I don't think the Middlesbrough 00:10:08.039 --> 00:10:10.799 McKays are my McKays. We had, like, a bunch of, 00:10:10.799 --> 00:10:12.820 like, four children being born at Ewing Park. 00:10:13.179 --> 00:10:15.500 So absolutely amazing, guys. Thank you so much 00:10:15.500 --> 00:10:17.639 for that. It's just... It's blown my mind how 00:10:17.639 --> 00:10:19.320 you've all just, like, jumped on this. I've had 00:10:19.320 --> 00:10:21.539 texts as well from my friend Helen from Run Club, 00:10:21.600 --> 00:10:23.960 who I keep occasionally mentioning. She had lots 00:10:23.960 --> 00:10:26.960 of ideas on what was going on. So I'm glad that 00:10:26.960 --> 00:10:30.159 you've all enjoyed that mystery. Very good. What 00:10:30.159 --> 00:10:33.440 I love is Sarah says of herself that she tends 00:10:33.440 --> 00:10:36.419 to work as... This is her words in a fairly chaotic 00:10:36.419 --> 00:10:39.840 capture everything style while researching. So 00:10:39.840 --> 00:10:41.919 she's attached the working document she created 00:10:41.919 --> 00:10:44.460 for this little project. And it contains transcriptions, 00:10:44.460 --> 00:10:47.600 source references, notes, follow up questions 00:10:47.600 --> 00:10:49.980 and theories. And it's certainly not polished, 00:10:50.000 --> 00:10:51.159 but you're welcome to have a look through it. 00:10:51.200 --> 00:10:53.580 So this is the amazing Excel document that you've 00:10:53.580 --> 00:10:55.240 just been talking about, Nathan. And I think 00:10:55.240 --> 00:10:58.559 Sarah's approach is really good because she's. 00:10:59.500 --> 00:11:01.759 Often, we're in the flow. We don't want to keep 00:11:01.759 --> 00:11:03.820 stopping ourselves. We need to keep those thought 00:11:03.820 --> 00:11:06.360 processes going. And by just copying and pasting 00:11:06.360 --> 00:11:08.820 everything into an Excel sheet, and she says 00:11:08.820 --> 00:11:11.000 it's fairly chaotic. We think it's super organised. 00:11:11.759 --> 00:11:14.220 It means she's got everything and she's not later 00:11:14.220 --> 00:11:17.179 hunting for things. And it's just really good. 00:11:17.340 --> 00:11:18.759 It's just like, it doesn't have to be in Excel. 00:11:18.879 --> 00:11:21.200 Some people just, as soon as they hear the word 00:11:21.200 --> 00:11:23.159 Excel, they freeze. You could equally do the 00:11:23.159 --> 00:11:26.590 same sort of idea in a Word document. Yeah, I 00:11:26.590 --> 00:11:27.909 don't think digital, so you can just go copy, 00:11:27.929 --> 00:11:29.850 paste, copy, paste, and you're there, aren't 00:11:29.850 --> 00:11:32.690 you? Yeah. I mean, I would honestly hate to see 00:11:32.690 --> 00:11:35.049 what one of her organised documents looks like 00:11:35.049 --> 00:11:37.190 because it's just stunning and it's just like, 00:11:37.250 --> 00:11:41.409 wow. Yeah. Yes, I feel ashamed of my silly little 00:11:41.409 --> 00:11:44.450 scrolls that I make. No, not at all. But she's, 00:11:44.450 --> 00:11:46.230 yeah, Sarah, thank you. You're a good example. 00:11:46.909 --> 00:11:48.970 Yeah, Nathan, I think we should ask her if we 00:11:48.970 --> 00:11:51.870 can share her Excel. Yeah, let's do that. So 00:11:51.870 --> 00:11:55.159 it's exciting. It is exciting. So largely my 00:11:55.159 --> 00:11:58.240 homework that I was doing, I started doing and 00:11:58.240 --> 00:12:00.379 then didn't need to. So I might do this every 00:12:00.379 --> 00:12:02.240 week. I'll just put out my homework to everybody 00:12:02.240 --> 00:12:04.519 and then I can just sit around and do nothing. 00:12:04.860 --> 00:12:06.940 Yeah. I don't mean that's at all. I enjoy the 00:12:06.940 --> 00:12:08.759 thrill of the chase. I've still got a couple 00:12:08.759 --> 00:12:10.779 of mysteries with this. Obviously, like I said, 00:12:10.799 --> 00:12:12.759 I've never been to the National Archives to look 00:12:12.759 --> 00:12:14.980 at documents. So I need to have a peruse of that 00:12:14.980 --> 00:12:17.519 and find out about the divorce record. That's 00:12:17.519 --> 00:12:20.259 interesting. Find out a little bit more about 00:12:20.259 --> 00:12:23.440 what's going on with Jesse. And again, This whole 00:12:23.440 --> 00:12:25.679 word of mouth thing, my mum thinks there's a 00:12:25.679 --> 00:12:29.879 child as well between Jessie and Alexander. So 00:12:29.879 --> 00:12:33.899 I need to have a nosy about that. Yeah. So two 00:12:33.899 --> 00:12:36.379 things to follow up. One, Sarah's suggesting 00:12:36.379 --> 00:12:40.360 that you look for photos of the children's home 00:12:40.360 --> 00:12:44.330 or the boarding school that you're... Was it 00:12:44.330 --> 00:12:46.370 your great -uncle? Great -grand -uncle. Your 00:12:46.370 --> 00:12:50.029 great -grand -uncle that he went to. So obviously 00:12:50.029 --> 00:12:53.009 like childrenshomes and workhouses .org, they're 00:12:53.009 --> 00:12:56.169 Peter Higginbotham's websites. They're both really 00:12:56.169 --> 00:12:59.190 useful websites for finding such organisations. 00:12:59.690 --> 00:13:02.269 Yeah. As well as he's Googling the name of the 00:13:02.269 --> 00:13:05.370 school and seeing if there's particular school 00:13:05.370 --> 00:13:09.529 archives. which may be available online or available 00:13:09.529 --> 00:13:11.809 via local archives. I'm just saying that because 00:13:11.809 --> 00:13:13.590 you're lucky because Brian's already helped you 00:13:13.590 --> 00:13:15.370 out with that. But in case somebody is listening 00:13:15.370 --> 00:13:18.950 and wondering what to do, then the childrenhomesandworkhouses 00:13:18.950 --> 00:13:21.730 .org websites are the really good kind of starting 00:13:21.730 --> 00:13:25.590 points. And then with the divorce records, that's 00:13:25.590 --> 00:13:27.990 really interesting. So obviously the National 00:13:27.990 --> 00:13:30.330 Archives has millions and millions of records 00:13:30.330 --> 00:13:33.490 and a tiny percentage of them, I could be out 00:13:33.490 --> 00:13:35.519 of date. I think it's just... something like 00:13:35.519 --> 00:13:37.360 three or four percent of it's digitized it's 00:13:37.360 --> 00:13:39.519 a very small percentage it's digitized i could 00:13:39.519 --> 00:13:41.600 be well out of date on that but it's still not 00:13:41.600 --> 00:13:45.159 going to be massive so what we rely on as historians 00:13:45.159 --> 00:13:47.159 and historians if we can't get there we rely 00:13:47.159 --> 00:13:49.980 on the catalog so the catalog is basically a 00:13:49.980 --> 00:13:52.419 massive shopping list of what they have in the 00:13:52.419 --> 00:13:57.179 archives and depending on how well you can find 00:13:57.179 --> 00:14:00.500 what you need depends on how detailed the shopping 00:14:00.500 --> 00:14:04.929 list is so The shopping list could just say get 00:14:04.929 --> 00:14:07.850 bread and it could have everything which is bread 00:14:07.850 --> 00:14:11.110 filed under bread or it could have it filed under 00:14:11.110 --> 00:14:13.929 baguettes, organic bread, gluten free, everything 00:14:13.929 --> 00:14:17.230 else. And it could have the brands, you know, 00:14:17.230 --> 00:14:19.590 it could go down very, very granular. So for 00:14:19.590 --> 00:14:23.049 your example, Sarah went to the National Archives 00:14:23.049 --> 00:14:25.370 website, which is discovery .nationalarchives 00:14:25.370 --> 00:14:29.509 .org. gov .uk she has gone and searched just 00:14:29.509 --> 00:14:31.110 by their name she's done that kind of one of 00:14:31.110 --> 00:14:33.769 those potluck searches presumably maybe she searched 00:14:33.769 --> 00:14:36.490 specifically for a divorce well actually she's 00:14:36.490 --> 00:14:38.769 she's obviously um put the search terms in her 00:14:38.769 --> 00:14:41.870 notes because it's so meticulous yeah she searched 00:14:41.870 --> 00:14:44.250 for Alexander McKay divorce with a date range 00:14:44.250 --> 00:14:47.090 of 1928 which is obviously when he got married 00:14:47.090 --> 00:14:51.169 to Jessie 1934 which is when he got married to 00:14:51.169 --> 00:14:55.889 Dorothy Brilliant. And so by luck, those records 00:14:55.889 --> 00:15:00.769 have been, they've been catalogued and indexed 00:15:00.769 --> 00:15:03.409 to enough detail that you can find the individual 00:15:03.409 --> 00:15:05.929 names of the people. Some of the record collections, 00:15:06.210 --> 00:15:09.009 you might know that you've got records for a 00:15:09.009 --> 00:15:11.669 particular place, for instance, but it might 00:15:11.669 --> 00:15:15.509 not have all of the people indexed. Yeah. So 00:15:15.509 --> 00:15:17.590 you'd be able to go, OK, they've got records 00:15:17.590 --> 00:15:19.690 for this parish, but I can't actually find the 00:15:19.690 --> 00:15:22.059 names of the people. So that's lucky that in 00:15:22.059 --> 00:15:24.240 this instance you can find those records. That's 00:15:24.240 --> 00:15:26.340 really brilliant. And it's interesting because 00:15:26.340 --> 00:15:28.240 it says that, looking at Sarah's notes, it says 00:15:28.240 --> 00:15:31.679 that Jessie's the appellant. Is that the word? 00:15:31.700 --> 00:15:34.559 Where is it again? Yeah. And Alexander's the 00:15:34.559 --> 00:15:37.259 respondent. She's the one who petitioned for 00:15:37.259 --> 00:15:39.720 divorce. Yes. So I wonder whether he was already 00:15:39.720 --> 00:15:44.240 getting together with Dolly. Plain aware. Potentially. 00:15:44.519 --> 00:15:48.019 Yeah. Hmm. You could go to the National Archives 00:15:48.019 --> 00:15:50.159 and that's not a bad thing. There's other options 00:15:50.159 --> 00:15:52.740 because obviously lots of people don't live near 00:15:52.740 --> 00:15:54.320 the National Archives and it can be expensive 00:15:54.320 --> 00:15:56.759 to get there. So other options you can do, you 00:15:56.759 --> 00:15:59.539 can go and find this record in the National Archives 00:15:59.539 --> 00:16:02.080 catalogue and then you can see if you can order 00:16:02.080 --> 00:16:04.179 it. Sometimes you can order the records quite 00:16:04.179 --> 00:16:07.659 readily. Sometimes you have to, you ask them 00:16:07.659 --> 00:16:09.659 for a quote and then they'll say it'll cost you 00:16:09.659 --> 00:16:12.870 X, Y and Z amount of money. for them to make 00:16:12.870 --> 00:16:15.649 a copy of this record. It can be expensive. So 00:16:15.649 --> 00:16:19.009 another option could be that you see if there's 00:16:19.009 --> 00:16:20.909 anybody who lives near the National Archives 00:16:20.909 --> 00:16:23.629 or who happens to be going anywhere anyway, like 00:16:23.629 --> 00:16:26.210 a friend of yours, who can do you a favour and 00:16:26.210 --> 00:16:28.970 go make a copy of the record. Or you hire a professional 00:16:28.970 --> 00:16:31.110 researcher to do it. And it swings and roundabouts. 00:16:31.269 --> 00:16:33.350 It could be worth getting the quote, seeing what 00:16:33.350 --> 00:16:35.070 the quote is, and then thinking, OK, what are 00:16:35.070 --> 00:16:37.110 my other options? Because it can be expensive. 00:16:37.490 --> 00:16:40.090 Yeah, you might be better off. using a professional 00:16:40.090 --> 00:16:42.169 researcher, because lots of professional researchers 00:16:42.169 --> 00:16:44.289 will be going there a lot anyway, and so they 00:16:44.289 --> 00:16:46.450 can do your job as one of many jobs in a day. 00:16:46.970 --> 00:16:51.490 Okay, cool. So it's possible, but equally you 00:16:51.490 --> 00:16:53.049 can go to the National Archives. It's super exciting. 00:16:53.409 --> 00:16:55.090 Well, yeah, it sounds like a nice day out, doesn't 00:16:55.090 --> 00:16:57.950 it, as well? It would be, definitely. Yeah. A 00:16:57.950 --> 00:17:00.570 good day out. You'd have to do it as a work trip, 00:17:00.629 --> 00:17:03.210 Nathan. I could come too. Yes, let's get that 00:17:03.210 --> 00:17:07.410 penciled in. Yeah. Research. Yeah, obviously 00:17:07.410 --> 00:17:09.029 it's a big rabbit hole, but it would be a nice 00:17:09.029 --> 00:17:12.410 day out. So yeah, that's fabulous, isn't it? 00:17:13.009 --> 00:17:14.789 It's really, really good. So I've done nothing 00:17:14.789 --> 00:17:17.049 else. It's just been that. That's been my family 00:17:17.049 --> 00:17:20.549 history. That's good. It's very good. What a 00:17:20.549 --> 00:17:30.089 community. I love it. Yeah. So I've been doing 00:17:30.089 --> 00:17:32.269 things. I don't know whether you remember, but 00:17:32.269 --> 00:17:34.890 last week I was going to put myself... into the 00:17:34.890 --> 00:17:37.109 ring with AI and see who is faster, me or AI. 00:17:37.390 --> 00:17:38.769 I'm like, I don't want to do these things to 00:17:38.769 --> 00:17:43.990 myself. Anyway, I did it. Okay. So a quick recap. 00:17:44.250 --> 00:17:46.609 I'll try to get my AI to help me transcribe one 00:17:46.609 --> 00:17:49.109 of my grandpa's RAF Second World War logbooks. 00:17:49.680 --> 00:17:52.460 It did a lot of the pages perfectly. It did some 00:17:52.460 --> 00:17:55.759 of the pages complete fabrications. So that made 00:17:55.759 --> 00:17:57.400 me feel very disconcerted about the whole lot. 00:17:57.480 --> 00:17:58.799 So then I had to go through and check everything, 00:17:58.940 --> 00:18:01.140 which suddenly escalated the time the project 00:18:01.140 --> 00:18:04.079 was taking because of all the verifying. This 00:18:04.079 --> 00:18:06.059 is nothing new. We all know that we have to verify 00:18:06.059 --> 00:18:11.000 output that AI gives us. So then I rather kind 00:18:11.000 --> 00:18:15.390 of, what's the word? I don't know. smugly or 00:18:15.390 --> 00:18:17.589 arrogantly or whatever, said, well, I'm going 00:18:17.589 --> 00:18:20.049 to see if I can do manual transcriptions myself 00:18:20.049 --> 00:18:22.450 faster. So I had to go. So who do you think won, 00:18:22.529 --> 00:18:25.049 me or AI? Is this taking accuracy into account 00:18:25.049 --> 00:18:28.009 as well? Yeah. Okay, I'm going to say you won. 00:18:28.650 --> 00:18:32.309 No. You didn't win. Yeah, even taking into account 00:18:32.309 --> 00:18:35.049 having to double check all of AI's work, then 00:18:35.049 --> 00:18:38.230 AI's still faster than me. So even though I did 00:18:38.230 --> 00:18:41.829 it and I was accurate, so I did my pages, double 00:18:41.829 --> 00:18:44.380 checked them. Just because I had his original 00:18:44.380 --> 00:18:46.339 logbook next to me, so just check I've got all 00:18:46.339 --> 00:18:49.400 the facts in correctly. So my manual typing, 00:18:49.460 --> 00:18:51.619 I'm not bad at typing. I can sit in front of 00:18:51.619 --> 00:18:53.940 a computer all day long and I touch type. And 00:18:53.940 --> 00:18:57.799 I'm still slower than AI, even though I had to 00:18:57.799 --> 00:19:01.440 do loads of human verifying and checking of those 00:19:01.440 --> 00:19:06.019 AI pages. Right, I can remember. Yeah. AI was 00:19:06.019 --> 00:19:10.539 7 .5 minutes per page and I was 10 minutes. Oh 00:19:10.539 --> 00:19:13.519 wow, that is quite a big difference. Yeah. So 00:19:13.519 --> 00:19:16.500 if AI had got it right, it would just have wiped 00:19:16.500 --> 00:19:19.259 the floor with me drastically differently. Half 00:19:19.259 --> 00:19:23.420 of my AI time was sourcing out the problems it 00:19:23.420 --> 00:19:26.579 had made. Right. Yeah. So I thought that was 00:19:26.579 --> 00:19:29.019 interesting. It's very interesting. I'm quite 00:19:29.019 --> 00:19:32.200 shocked. And I've been learning a bit about AI. 00:19:32.279 --> 00:19:34.519 So last week I completely was feeling in a bit 00:19:34.519 --> 00:19:36.920 of a grunt with it and I was blaming it for making 00:19:36.920 --> 00:19:40.279 mistakes. And then I, this is a typical kind 00:19:40.279 --> 00:19:43.039 of bad workman or bad work person blames their 00:19:43.039 --> 00:19:46.140 tools. And so I was definitely that bad work 00:19:46.140 --> 00:19:49.279 person because I had had this experience before. 00:19:49.579 --> 00:19:52.460 You start using AI and you're working with a 00:19:52.460 --> 00:19:54.240 large language or whatever you're putting in 00:19:54.240 --> 00:19:56.799 your data. And it's performing really, really 00:19:56.799 --> 00:19:59.299 well. And then the conversations kind of degenerates 00:19:59.299 --> 00:20:02.220 and the fabrications creep in. And apparently 00:20:02.220 --> 00:20:04.900 it's just because it's lost its, it's used up 00:20:04.900 --> 00:20:07.279 its context window. I think that's the jargon 00:20:07.279 --> 00:20:10.039 or it's used up its short term memory. And then 00:20:10.039 --> 00:20:13.200 mistakes start to happen increasingly. So that 00:20:13.200 --> 00:20:16.059 kind of partly tallies with my experience, but 00:20:16.059 --> 00:20:17.859 partly doesn't because then it managed to revive 00:20:17.859 --> 00:20:19.980 itself. Obviously sneaked off for a coffee, came 00:20:19.980 --> 00:20:22.779 back. Right. So I'm not quite sure what happened 00:20:22.779 --> 00:20:24.710 there. I think you've got a limit, don't you? 00:20:24.750 --> 00:20:26.829 Like where you talk to AI and then it'll be like, 00:20:26.910 --> 00:20:28.890 you've used up your five questions. It didn't 00:20:28.890 --> 00:20:31.849 even tell me I had a limit. It just started derailing 00:20:31.849 --> 00:20:34.329 itself. Right, okay. Because I've noticed that 00:20:34.329 --> 00:20:36.329 it does say sometimes like, oh, you're now on 00:20:36.329 --> 00:20:39.150 a slower process and now come back in three hours 00:20:39.150 --> 00:20:41.690 and you'll be back on a faster one if you've 00:20:41.690 --> 00:20:44.569 got paydent for anything. So suddenly, yeah, 00:20:44.670 --> 00:20:47.990 it starts asking random questions and doing things 00:20:47.990 --> 00:20:50.660 that you don't know. I was... I can't remember 00:20:50.660 --> 00:20:53.920 what conversation I was having with AI, but it 00:20:53.920 --> 00:20:56.619 was giving me some useful information. And then 00:20:56.619 --> 00:20:58.539 it did that thing where it said, oh, you're now 00:20:58.539 --> 00:21:00.759 on this lower processing thing. And it started 00:21:00.759 --> 00:21:03.339 telling me that I had a job working in transport 00:21:03.339 --> 00:21:06.400 randomly. I was like, I've never said that to 00:21:06.400 --> 00:21:09.259 you. And I don't work in transport. That's when 00:21:09.259 --> 00:21:10.700 you need to walk out of the room and leave it 00:21:10.700 --> 00:21:13.400 for a bit. Maybe it's future projecting for me. 00:21:13.420 --> 00:21:15.599 Maybe it knows what I don't know. Who knows? 00:21:15.839 --> 00:21:17.579 I could be working in transport before I know 00:21:17.579 --> 00:21:19.789 it. I've also been listening to some amazing 00:21:19.789 --> 00:21:24.529 AI podcasts. Okay. I know. It's a really good 00:21:24.529 --> 00:21:26.549 one. And it's called, it's called, obvious, I 00:21:26.549 --> 00:21:28.869 think it's the Family History AI Show. So that's 00:21:28.869 --> 00:21:33.170 kind of what it says on the tin title. And it's 00:21:33.170 --> 00:21:36.150 by two people from the Coalition for Responsible 00:21:36.150 --> 00:21:39.509 Use of AI in Genealogy. And so I kind of, because 00:21:39.509 --> 00:21:42.650 I felt like I need to learn more so that it's 00:21:42.650 --> 00:21:44.609 not just using AI, but it's like, are you, are 00:21:44.609 --> 00:21:47.349 we creating? future problems like what are the 00:21:47.349 --> 00:21:50.390 what are the issues what are the dangers and 00:21:50.390 --> 00:21:54.289 so to try and learn about them so you can not 00:21:54.289 --> 00:21:57.009 suffer from them so that clearly like things 00:21:57.009 --> 00:21:58.650 don't put in details of living people because 00:21:58.650 --> 00:22:00.109 if it gobbles up those details of the living 00:22:00.109 --> 00:22:02.150 people they're kind of gone and you're going 00:22:02.150 --> 00:22:05.029 come back can i just retrieve that bit of paper 00:22:05.029 --> 00:22:06.490 with the details of the living people no you 00:22:06.490 --> 00:22:10.319 can't so that's useful to learn Very mindful 00:22:10.319 --> 00:22:11.980 what you put into it. I'm not worried about my 00:22:11.980 --> 00:22:13.900 grandpa's Second World War logbook because it's 00:22:13.900 --> 00:22:16.240 all in the past and I'd be happy for anyone else 00:22:16.240 --> 00:22:18.299 to have that information. Providing it's correct 00:22:18.299 --> 00:22:21.019 and not gobbledygook. That's out of date, though, 00:22:21.119 --> 00:22:24.440 because it has got its version of it is a little 00:22:24.440 --> 00:22:26.819 bit bonkers. Yeah, well, that is the bigger concern, 00:22:26.900 --> 00:22:29.500 isn't it, for us as quote -unquote historians, 00:22:29.960 --> 00:22:32.319 finding facts from somewhere else that actually 00:22:32.319 --> 00:22:35.740 aren't correct or having fake images that aren't 00:22:35.740 --> 00:22:39.759 anything to do with anything. We're just at the 00:22:39.759 --> 00:22:42.420 foothills of this. It's all the skills we already 00:22:42.420 --> 00:22:44.599 need to have as family historians, isn't it? 00:22:45.059 --> 00:22:47.740 We know we need to have a few pieces of evidence, 00:22:47.799 --> 00:22:50.500 not just one fact, and we don't want to spin 00:22:50.500 --> 00:22:53.599 a whole story just off one clue. We need to have 00:22:53.599 --> 00:22:57.039 lots of corroborating evidence, don't we? We 00:22:57.039 --> 00:22:59.700 do. We do indeed. I like to have three points 00:22:59.700 --> 00:23:02.279 at least. That makes me feel comfortable. That's 00:23:02.279 --> 00:23:05.859 good, yeah. And we need to check things. We do. 00:23:06.269 --> 00:23:08.390 We need to not talk about living people. It's 00:23:08.390 --> 00:23:11.549 all the same stuff. You have to be careful what 00:23:11.549 --> 00:23:13.250 you give out because people can randomly go searching 00:23:13.250 --> 00:23:16.250 for you on free BMD, can't they? It's very true. 00:23:16.329 --> 00:23:18.630 Just a few details. Before you know it, something 00:23:18.630 --> 00:23:20.609 isn't anonymous anymore. You have to be kind 00:23:20.609 --> 00:23:22.970 of more cautious than you think. Yeah, before 00:23:22.970 --> 00:23:24.450 you know it, your co -workers are telling you 00:23:24.450 --> 00:23:26.549 how old you are. It's true, but also that depends 00:23:26.549 --> 00:23:29.430 on which country you're from. So where I was 00:23:29.430 --> 00:23:31.869 born, you can't readily do that. Right. Yeah, 00:23:31.930 --> 00:23:33.609 that's why it was safe to search for your birthday 00:23:33.609 --> 00:23:35.190 to find out how old you were because I knew you 00:23:35.190 --> 00:23:39.829 couldn't do a revenge attack. Fair enough. It 00:23:39.829 --> 00:23:49.450 made me feel very, very scared. Anyway. So we've 00:23:49.450 --> 00:23:50.970 been having a good time recently with Family 00:23:50.970 --> 00:23:54.069 Tree. We had a busy, busy month last month, didn't 00:23:54.069 --> 00:23:56.009 we? We were working on, we were putting together 00:23:56.009 --> 00:23:59.299 a wonderful new workbook, which is... suitable 00:23:59.299 --> 00:24:01.019 for people who are starting their family tree 00:24:01.019 --> 00:24:03.339 but it's also suitable for people who have been 00:24:03.339 --> 00:24:04.859 doing family history for a while and we've already 00:24:04.859 --> 00:24:07.480 had some reviews from people saying that they've 00:24:07.480 --> 00:24:09.839 found that so that's really cool because it's 00:24:09.839 --> 00:24:11.819 got when we just talked about the national archives 00:24:11.819 --> 00:24:13.960 a moment ago it's got information about you know 00:24:13.960 --> 00:24:16.000 how to use the national archives how to find 00:24:16.000 --> 00:24:19.349 archives near you it's got like But that's not 00:24:19.349 --> 00:24:21.390 beginner information. That's kind of quite a 00:24:21.390 --> 00:24:22.970 lot of, that's a few steps down the road, isn't 00:24:22.970 --> 00:24:25.569 it? You really have a hobby. Yeah. So it's got 00:24:25.569 --> 00:24:27.789 all sorts of clues like that in it and how to 00:24:27.789 --> 00:24:30.410 keep organized that. Never, ever ending question, 00:24:30.509 --> 00:24:32.549 which is I'm always going to stay there. And 00:24:32.549 --> 00:24:34.549 then we've been also working on a wonderful workbook 00:24:34.549 --> 00:24:37.589 with Dr. Sophie Kay, which is just outstanding, 00:24:37.750 --> 00:24:40.289 isn't it? Well, it looks beautiful. Nathan's 00:24:40.289 --> 00:24:42.490 done a great job on it. And it's full of search 00:24:42.490 --> 00:24:45.369 techniques, which are particularly useful. For 00:24:45.369 --> 00:24:47.210 those problems that you and I always come up 00:24:47.210 --> 00:24:50.630 with that, you know, when you find somebody and 00:24:50.630 --> 00:24:52.470 they've got the right name and they sort of check 00:24:52.470 --> 00:24:54.490 out, but you're not entirely confident it is 00:24:54.490 --> 00:24:56.309 definitely your Alexander McKay. So you just 00:24:56.309 --> 00:24:58.470 had that the other week, didn't you? Yeah. So 00:24:58.470 --> 00:25:01.049 it helps you resolve problems like that. And 00:25:01.049 --> 00:25:03.589 sometimes where it's the opposite problem, you've 00:25:03.589 --> 00:25:06.069 got several people by that name, but you're so 00:25:06.069 --> 00:25:08.809 you're like, well, one of these is probably mine, 00:25:08.829 --> 00:25:10.809 but I don't know which one it is. So it helps 00:25:10.809 --> 00:25:12.460 you solve those problems. These are all good. 00:25:12.880 --> 00:25:15.539 Because it sounds so simple, doesn't it? But 00:25:15.539 --> 00:25:18.539 it's such a simple situation to be in. You can 00:25:18.539 --> 00:25:21.119 label it out quickly. I found this person. They 00:25:21.119 --> 00:25:23.140 got the right name. A few of the details check 00:25:23.140 --> 00:25:25.380 out. I'm a little bit unsure, though. What do 00:25:25.380 --> 00:25:27.539 I do next? The workbook will help you find out. 00:25:27.880 --> 00:25:30.039 Or the other situation, I found three Alexander 00:25:30.039 --> 00:25:32.359 McKays. I don't know which one's mine. And unless 00:25:32.359 --> 00:25:35.599 you've got some tactics you can call into play 00:25:35.599 --> 00:25:37.519 at that point, you're stymied, aren't you? You're 00:25:37.519 --> 00:25:39.519 like, oh, I've got a brick wall. Move on to the 00:25:39.519 --> 00:25:42.000 next branch. Yep, definitely. And like the name 00:25:42.000 --> 00:25:43.799 of that work looks spot on, isn't it? Is this 00:25:43.799 --> 00:25:46.200 my ancestor? It's the question everybody should 00:25:46.200 --> 00:25:48.640 ask. Yes. Whether you actually know it's true 00:25:48.640 --> 00:25:50.779 or not. Just so you are like checking upon those 00:25:50.779 --> 00:25:55.299 facts. It's cool. So we've been doing that and 00:25:55.299 --> 00:25:57.279 we started the wonderful course to go with it 00:25:57.279 --> 00:26:00.119 as well. We've got so many other cool things 00:26:00.119 --> 00:26:02.160 in the pipeline as well. I know. Well, we haven't 00:26:02.160 --> 00:26:03.400 talked about the big thing, have we? Which we 00:26:03.400 --> 00:26:05.180 can talk about. The very, very big thing. We 00:26:05.180 --> 00:26:08.859 should talk about that. Go for it. So. Very recently, 00:26:08.859 --> 00:26:11.599 we announced that next year, I know we're a whole 00:26:11.599 --> 00:26:15.660 year away, in May 2027, then we're going to have 00:26:15.660 --> 00:26:18.160 Family Tree Live and it's going to be a two -day 00:26:18.160 --> 00:26:21.339 show, an in -person show with actual humans. 00:26:22.119 --> 00:26:24.779 all meeting up on an actual place on planet Earth 00:26:24.779 --> 00:26:28.299 to immerse themselves in genealogy. And it's 00:26:28.299 --> 00:26:31.039 sponsored by Ancestry. There's going to be, so 00:26:31.039 --> 00:26:32.539 the stands have already booked up and there are 00:26:32.539 --> 00:26:34.259 already some very cool people there, but I don't 00:26:34.259 --> 00:26:35.740 want to say any other names because I don't want 00:26:35.740 --> 00:26:37.660 to be speaking out of turn, but we will be letting 00:26:37.660 --> 00:26:40.799 people know soon. And yes, it's going to be two 00:26:40.799 --> 00:26:44.240 days of talks, visiting around all the exhibition 00:26:44.240 --> 00:26:47.319 stands. We've got a cool game that we're going 00:26:47.319 --> 00:26:51.839 to weave through the whole event. And so people 00:26:51.839 --> 00:26:53.859 can try out their genealogy knowledge and take 00:26:53.859 --> 00:26:55.740 themselves on a bit of a kind of mystery tour, 00:26:55.900 --> 00:27:01.180 all concentrating on genealogy records. And we're 00:27:01.180 --> 00:27:02.759 going to be there, aren't we? So you can camp 00:27:02.759 --> 00:27:04.039 or you can stay in a hotel. What are you going 00:27:04.039 --> 00:27:06.559 to do, Nathan? A hotel for me. I'm a princess. 00:27:07.380 --> 00:27:11.059 Okay. Yeah. And the venue is called Statford 00:27:11.059 --> 00:27:13.720 Country Park. So it's in Tamworth. So it's in 00:27:13.720 --> 00:27:17.430 kind of the centre of England. It's a cute venue, 00:27:17.549 --> 00:27:19.309 so it's kind of right out in the middle of the 00:27:19.309 --> 00:27:21.529 sticks. You can get the train to Fairleigh nearby. 00:27:22.250 --> 00:27:24.630 I'm hoping that we might be able to lay on a 00:27:24.630 --> 00:27:28.450 vintage bus to transport people from the railway 00:27:28.450 --> 00:27:31.309 station to the venue, but that's got to be confirmed, 00:27:31.450 --> 00:27:33.490 but that's potentially happening. And when you 00:27:33.490 --> 00:27:37.769 get to the venue, it's got beautiful old steam 00:27:37.769 --> 00:27:39.769 engines, hasn't it? Like countless beautiful 00:27:39.769 --> 00:27:42.049 steam engines on a lovely, I'm just making a 00:27:42.049 --> 00:27:44.130 lovely round, is it called a round table? What's 00:27:44.130 --> 00:27:47.420 it called? turntable like roundhouse isn't it 00:27:47.420 --> 00:27:49.140 and it has this big turntable thing in the middle 00:27:49.140 --> 00:27:52.099 and then you could also go on there's a couple 00:27:52.099 --> 00:27:54.220 of different gauge steam trains that you can 00:27:54.220 --> 00:27:56.680 go on rides around the fields nearby just take 00:27:56.680 --> 00:27:58.619 yourself on a little kind of reverie a little 00:27:58.619 --> 00:28:00.460 nostalgic journey that's good fun we went to 00:28:00.460 --> 00:28:02.539 both of those didn't we we did yeah it is so 00:28:02.539 --> 00:28:04.519 nostalgic like when you get there like I didn't 00:28:04.519 --> 00:28:06.680 have any like association with trains or anything 00:28:06.680 --> 00:28:08.279 but as soon as you're there it is everything's 00:28:08.279 --> 00:28:10.859 vintage and old and it's yeah you can't help 00:28:10.859 --> 00:28:13.119 but feel like you're immersed in history whilst 00:28:13.119 --> 00:28:15.140 you're there it's cool and it just brings out 00:28:15.140 --> 00:28:17.180 like the the fun like when you're on a steam 00:28:17.180 --> 00:28:20.410 train it's Isn't it? If you're on the steam train, 00:28:20.490 --> 00:28:22.170 you have to wave at other people who are not 00:28:22.170 --> 00:28:24.609 on the steam train. And if they're not on the 00:28:24.609 --> 00:28:27.029 steam train, they have to wave back at you. The 00:28:27.029 --> 00:28:29.869 city just goes too fast. It doesn't work, does 00:28:29.869 --> 00:28:33.410 it? It's a little bit of a rule. Yeah. And then 00:28:33.410 --> 00:28:35.529 also it's home to the National Fairground Museum. 00:28:35.630 --> 00:28:37.390 So as long as you're not a dizzy minded person, 00:28:37.470 --> 00:28:40.670 you can go on these vintage old fair rides. Some 00:28:40.670 --> 00:28:42.190 of them look far too fast for me. But anyway, 00:28:42.329 --> 00:28:44.390 they look beautiful. Yeah, they're absolutely 00:28:44.390 --> 00:28:46.329 gorgeous. Yeah. It's got all the old artwork. 00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:51.079 Yeah, back in the day when people just had time 00:28:51.079 --> 00:28:55.039 to paint beautiful, beautiful fair rides. Thank 00:28:55.039 --> 00:28:58.480 God, yes, they really are. Yeah. So the aim of 00:28:58.480 --> 00:29:01.240 Family Tree Live is we did it years ago before 00:29:01.240 --> 00:29:03.460 COVID and we did it at Alexandra Palace and it 00:29:03.460 --> 00:29:05.920 was great fun. We all had an absolute ball. By 00:29:05.920 --> 00:29:07.779 the end of the weekend, the only slight hazard 00:29:07.779 --> 00:29:09.160 is you probably lost your voice because you'd 00:29:09.160 --> 00:29:11.119 have been talking so much family history to so 00:29:11.119 --> 00:29:13.940 many people. But you'll go away just buzzing 00:29:13.940 --> 00:29:16.319 with ideas of things to do with your family history. 00:29:16.599 --> 00:29:18.930 You'll go away. buzzing probably with a tote 00:29:18.930 --> 00:29:20.970 bag jammed full of all the goodies you've bought 00:29:20.970 --> 00:29:24.710 the books dna kits family tree charts all sorts 00:29:24.710 --> 00:29:26.789 of things like that just things you can't imagine 00:29:26.789 --> 00:29:30.089 and um you'll have made new friends it's just 00:29:30.089 --> 00:29:33.230 unavoidable might even met some relations you 00:29:33.230 --> 00:29:37.710 never know yeah it's a really good one yeah looking 00:29:37.710 --> 00:29:40.730 forward to it And what we're aiming it for, we're 00:29:40.730 --> 00:29:43.690 aiming to cover quite a lot of different topics 00:29:43.690 --> 00:29:47.009 so that people who are like really dedicated 00:29:47.009 --> 00:29:49.569 family historians, so that they can come along 00:29:49.569 --> 00:29:52.509 and stretch themselves on the new kind of frontiers 00:29:52.509 --> 00:29:55.730 of family history. So speaking back to AI, covering 00:29:55.730 --> 00:29:58.349 that sort of topic, but also people who are just... 00:29:58.599 --> 00:30:00.980 Maybe they've got a photo of their grandpa and 00:30:00.980 --> 00:30:02.180 they're thinking, do you know what? I am going 00:30:02.180 --> 00:30:04.200 to do this family history thing. And then you 00:30:04.200 --> 00:30:06.160 could come along literally knowing nothing apart 00:30:06.160 --> 00:30:07.640 from your own name and your own birthday. It 00:30:07.640 --> 00:30:10.099 can help you get started with your family history. 00:30:10.759 --> 00:30:13.440 Because we're all this big network of people, 00:30:13.519 --> 00:30:16.220 aren't we? And we're all on different stages 00:30:16.220 --> 00:30:18.660 of where we're at with doing our family history. 00:30:19.119 --> 00:30:21.299 So we want everybody to be able to do more family 00:30:21.299 --> 00:30:24.660 history. Be happier. Definitely. It sounds good. 00:30:25.339 --> 00:30:27.099 Because we've done scientific studies before, 00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:28.579 haven't we, Nathan, with me and you, and it makes 00:30:28.579 --> 00:30:33.079 us happy. 100 % success rate out of two people. 00:30:33.380 --> 00:30:36.259 Yeah, and it was a very, what's it called, very 00:30:36.259 --> 00:30:38.559 controlled scenario to do those scientific tests. 00:30:38.920 --> 00:30:41.480 Yes. So that's the other exciting thing. And 00:30:41.480 --> 00:30:44.140 then next month, we'll be weaving on into July 00:30:44.140 --> 00:30:48.420 2026, then Karen Evans, she's doing a fantastic 00:30:48.420 --> 00:30:51.079 two -part course, and that's weighing up the 00:30:51.079 --> 00:30:53.000 differences between the major family history 00:30:53.000 --> 00:30:56.119 websites that we... tend to pay for and obviously 00:30:56.119 --> 00:30:57.359 we don't all pay for all of them because that'd 00:30:57.359 --> 00:30:59.539 be much too expensive but some people will do 00:30:59.539 --> 00:31:01.740 but so most of us have to make choices about 00:31:01.740 --> 00:31:03.400 which ones we subscribe to whether we're going 00:31:03.400 --> 00:31:06.119 to go for ancestry or find my past or my heritage 00:31:06.119 --> 00:31:09.079 the genealogist and so she's going to be weighing 00:31:09.079 --> 00:31:11.160 them up and seeing what's special about them 00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:13.319 both what have they got in common what does it 00:31:13.319 --> 00:31:14.980 look like to build a tree on there what does 00:31:14.980 --> 00:31:18.099 it look like to search and um last year she did 00:31:18.099 --> 00:31:20.000 one which concentrated solely on ancestry and 00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:23.039 she just blew me away the amount of dedication 00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:26.799 and detail she put into to using ancestry and 00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:28.519 explaining all these different tips and tricks 00:31:28.519 --> 00:31:30.700 of ancestry and i've used ancestry for years 00:31:30.700 --> 00:31:33.039 i don't use it i probably use these every day 00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:35.500 actually and i still was learning messes of things 00:31:35.500 --> 00:31:37.960 last year on her course it's fantastic so i'm 00:31:37.960 --> 00:31:39.779 looking forward to this year's yeah that sounds 00:31:39.779 --> 00:31:42.420 like a great one like you say money's tight isn't 00:31:42.420 --> 00:31:44.119 it and then there's so many things to pay for 00:31:44.119 --> 00:31:47.660 so knowing what you want to use properly is definitely 00:31:47.660 --> 00:31:51.160 worth it yeah And potentially, sometimes you 00:31:51.160 --> 00:31:52.960 can have one subscription that's going to run 00:31:52.960 --> 00:31:54.240 and run, but you think, well, I'm going to pay 00:31:54.240 --> 00:31:56.319 for this other one, access to this other one, 00:31:56.339 --> 00:31:58.660 if it's available, you know, just for a few months, 00:31:58.700 --> 00:32:00.619 or sometimes just do a one -year subscription, 00:32:00.900 --> 00:32:03.500 and then, you know, see where you're, which direction 00:32:03.500 --> 00:32:05.859 your research is going next. Yeah, I mean, it's 00:32:05.859 --> 00:32:07.440 happening with me, isn't it? I've obviously dedicated 00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:09.900 myself to Ancestry, but slowly but surely, every 00:32:09.900 --> 00:32:12.339 week, I'm suddenly mentioning all the little 00:32:12.339 --> 00:32:14.519 websites that I need to nip into, and some of 00:32:14.519 --> 00:32:17.710 them are soft -based, so... It is just knowing 00:32:17.710 --> 00:32:19.170 where to save your pennies for, isn't it? Do 00:32:19.170 --> 00:32:21.450 I buy a certificate or do I get a sub to this 00:32:21.450 --> 00:32:25.430 for a month, etc? And it's the question of not 00:32:25.430 --> 00:32:27.829 just having an overview. Before you part with 00:32:27.829 --> 00:32:29.910 your money, you're really looking, what do the 00:32:29.910 --> 00:32:33.839 websites hold? Because I think it was... was 00:32:33.839 --> 00:32:36.539 it Sarah just in that was Sarah in her email 00:32:36.539 --> 00:32:39.500 just now she mentioned those electoral registers 00:32:39.500 --> 00:32:42.059 that she'd found on find my past for your ancestors 00:32:42.059 --> 00:32:45.059 so obviously other websites do have electoral 00:32:45.059 --> 00:32:48.599 registers as well but find my past just has the 00:32:48.599 --> 00:32:51.160 most comprehensive biggest collection of electoral 00:32:51.160 --> 00:32:53.819 registers and it's that thing whenever we're 00:32:53.819 --> 00:32:55.420 looking you know if we're looking to see what 00:32:55.420 --> 00:32:57.740 electoral registers or whatever any sort of record 00:32:57.740 --> 00:33:00.220 collection website has it might say it has records 00:33:00.220 --> 00:33:04.940 going from 1572 to 1973 and the earliest one 00:33:04.940 --> 00:33:06.680 might be that date and the latest one might be 00:33:06.680 --> 00:33:07.980 that day but they might have massive gaps in 00:33:07.980 --> 00:33:10.039 between or have they got a continuous run or 00:33:10.039 --> 00:33:11.960 you know just trying to ascertain what exactly 00:33:11.960 --> 00:33:14.500 are you paying for okay yeah that sounds great 00:33:14.500 --> 00:33:17.519 actually yeah so find my past is the place for 00:33:17.519 --> 00:33:20.539 comprehensive electoral register access online 00:33:20.539 --> 00:33:23.880 yeah is that the one with the newspapers as well 00:33:23.880 --> 00:33:27.779 yes it's more tempting Well, I feel like this 00:33:27.779 --> 00:33:29.559 is probably the next place I'm going to get drawn 00:33:29.559 --> 00:33:33.400 into. The more I'm delving into people and finding 00:33:33.400 --> 00:33:35.819 out about local history, it seems like a natural 00:33:35.819 --> 00:33:38.960 progression to then go in there. But I'm trying 00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:41.420 to hold back until I get real reasons to go in. 00:33:41.500 --> 00:33:45.640 If I can get a few in one go, for example, have 00:33:45.640 --> 00:33:47.559 four or five different reasons to go into one 00:33:47.559 --> 00:33:50.279 website, I think that's going to help me spend 00:33:50.279 --> 00:33:53.720 those pennies. Yeah, you're right. You've got 00:33:53.720 --> 00:33:55.920 loads left to do on Ancestry. You haven't even, 00:33:56.019 --> 00:33:58.980 even looked at your DNA results yet. Well, I 00:33:58.980 --> 00:34:02.500 knew you were going to say that. I will do at 00:34:02.500 --> 00:34:06.819 some point. Yeah. Maybe. Yeah, I think you will 00:34:06.819 --> 00:34:09.500 do. Well, if you haven't done it by next May, 00:34:09.659 --> 00:34:11.860 then you can go along to the Ancestry stand and 00:34:11.860 --> 00:34:13.699 you can ask them there to give you a hand, can't 00:34:13.699 --> 00:34:15.599 you? Yes, definitely. That's a good reason, actually. 00:34:16.460 --> 00:34:19.360 Might spare me on. Yes, that's a long time away. 00:34:19.559 --> 00:34:21.019 I'm sure you'll have looked at them by then. 00:34:21.789 --> 00:34:24.869 I'm not so sure. I'm sure I can find more rabbit 00:34:24.869 --> 00:34:27.630 holes to keep me away from her DNA. Lousy DNA. 00:34:28.289 --> 00:34:31.010 I'm still sulking with it. I can't deny it. Whatever. 00:34:37.949 --> 00:34:40.190 Nathan, can you shut me up about this? Have I 00:34:40.190 --> 00:34:42.849 talked about it last week? But did I talk about 00:34:42.849 --> 00:34:46.070 Catalina's last week? I'm drawing a blank. I 00:34:46.070 --> 00:34:47.989 don't know what that is. So hopefully that means 00:34:47.989 --> 00:34:49.469 I didn't, or it means you weren't listening to 00:34:49.469 --> 00:34:53.289 me last week, one or the other. Because I'm all 00:34:53.289 --> 00:34:57.190 in the mindset of my dad's dad, the grandpa who 00:34:57.190 --> 00:34:59.489 was in the RAF. Both my grandpas were in the 00:34:59.489 --> 00:35:01.110 RAF. Anyway, because I'm in the mindset of him, 00:35:01.210 --> 00:35:02.789 then I was really confused. And I was talking 00:35:02.789 --> 00:35:06.070 to my uncle recently, and he was showing me pictures 00:35:06.070 --> 00:35:09.349 from his latest box of old photos that he unearthed. 00:35:09.349 --> 00:35:11.789 And he had a beautiful picture of a Catalina, 00:35:11.789 --> 00:35:14.469 which is a flying kind of an airplane which can 00:35:14.469 --> 00:35:17.210 land on water. All right, cool. Really cool. 00:35:17.289 --> 00:35:20.610 Anyway, yeah. My dad's dad used to fly these, 00:35:20.730 --> 00:35:23.389 but there was a photo of one of these in the 00:35:23.389 --> 00:35:26.550 box of photos relating to my mum's dad. And I 00:35:26.550 --> 00:35:27.869 was like, wait, wait, wait, I'm all in the muddle. 00:35:27.909 --> 00:35:29.289 I thought it was my dad's dad. When you feel 00:35:29.289 --> 00:35:32.250 like, wait, I've got them in the muddle. Anyway, 00:35:32.409 --> 00:35:35.389 it's an official picture from the Air Ministry. 00:35:35.389 --> 00:35:36.889 It says on the back, and I'm going to read out 00:35:36.889 --> 00:35:38.230 what it says because I found this really, really 00:35:38.230 --> 00:35:40.969 exciting. And it's stamped, Public Relations, 00:35:41.329 --> 00:35:45.469 Eastern Air Command, Calcutta. And it's a Second 00:35:45.469 --> 00:35:49.030 World War photo. And it says, Title is Coastal 00:35:49.030 --> 00:35:52.110 Command operate against the Japs, that's their 00:35:52.110 --> 00:35:56.550 word, from Ceylon. RAF Sunderland and Catalina 00:35:56.550 --> 00:35:59.349 squadrons operating from bases in Ceylon fly 00:35:59.349 --> 00:36:02.650 over our convoys and shipping routes night and 00:36:02.650 --> 00:36:05.769 day to protect them from Japanese surface and 00:36:05.769 --> 00:36:08.840 submarine dangers. flying enormous distances 00:36:08.840 --> 00:36:11.900 out to sea, sometimes through extremely severe 00:36:11.900 --> 00:36:14.860 tropical weather conditions. The crews who fly 00:36:14.860 --> 00:36:17.519 these flying boats can be justly proud of their 00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:20.099 efforts, not only by preventing the Japanese 00:36:20.099 --> 00:36:22.739 from attacking our shipping, but also for the 00:36:22.739 --> 00:36:25.219 effort they make to track the enemy down wherever 00:36:25.219 --> 00:36:28.340 he can be found. And then it says, the image 00:36:28.340 --> 00:36:32.179 is 1186, a tropical picture, an RAF Catalina 00:36:32.179 --> 00:36:36.070 flying boat. returning to its Ceylon base after 00:36:36.070 --> 00:36:38.829 a long ocean patrol makes an artist's picture 00:36:38.829 --> 00:36:41.130 silhouetted against an evening sky and framed 00:36:41.130 --> 00:36:43.829 between palm trees. Why that's so exciting. So 00:36:43.829 --> 00:36:46.889 I never really put the two pieces together. So 00:36:46.889 --> 00:36:49.769 both I knew, always knew that both my grandpa 00:36:49.769 --> 00:36:52.650 served in the RAF in the Second World War. And 00:36:52.650 --> 00:36:55.590 I knew that my paternal grandpa got married in 00:36:55.590 --> 00:37:00.300 Ceylon in 1944. And I knew that my maternal grandfather 00:37:00.300 --> 00:37:04.260 was a prisoner of war in Burma. And then he got 00:37:04.260 --> 00:37:07.760 shot down in October 1944. And so they're both 00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:10.039 kind of in the same part of the world. I know 00:37:10.039 --> 00:37:12.599 it's a big part of the world at the same time, 00:37:12.639 --> 00:37:15.599 but I'd never really put it together. But now 00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:17.659 I see it from a whole different perspective. 00:37:19.019 --> 00:37:22.239 My mum's dad kept this photo of these boats that 00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:23.719 obviously he was like, these are cool boats. 00:37:23.900 --> 00:37:26.199 These guys are doing a good job. So he kept this 00:37:26.199 --> 00:37:28.800 photo. He obviously collected it just for fun 00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:31.460 because it wasn't in the unit he was in and kept 00:37:31.460 --> 00:37:33.880 it with his own. his own other photos from the 00:37:33.880 --> 00:37:35.860 period and his other records from the period. 00:37:36.079 --> 00:37:38.480 But it's about what my other grandpa, who they 00:37:38.480 --> 00:37:40.480 totally didn't know each other at all, was doing. 00:37:40.659 --> 00:37:43.960 So I find it really touching to see these two 00:37:43.960 --> 00:37:46.380 different aspects of the RAF, like going, hey, 00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:48.360 good effort, guys. You're doing a great job. 00:37:48.420 --> 00:37:49.619 You know, we really value what you're doing. 00:37:50.159 --> 00:37:53.619 And I feel proud when it says about the flying 00:37:53.619 --> 00:37:55.539 boats, the crews who fly the flying boats can 00:37:55.539 --> 00:37:56.619 be just as proud of their efforts. Because my 00:37:56.619 --> 00:37:58.980 dad's dad was one of the crew who was flying. 00:37:59.579 --> 00:38:01.599 the flying boats. He wasn't actually a pilot 00:38:01.599 --> 00:38:05.159 at that stage. He was, he was gunner and observer, 00:38:05.340 --> 00:38:09.440 but he's still in the, in the machine. Yeah. 00:38:09.500 --> 00:38:13.199 Yeah. Yeah. So it's just really, it's really, 00:38:13.260 --> 00:38:15.619 I feel it's special. I'm really excited about 00:38:15.619 --> 00:38:18.219 it. It's a cute little crossover, isn't it? When 00:38:18.219 --> 00:38:20.619 you were saying that, I was obviously painting 00:38:20.619 --> 00:38:22.420 this picture where they met and then it was actually 00:38:22.420 --> 00:38:24.519 their children met because they became friends. 00:38:24.940 --> 00:38:27.699 Well, no, their children did meet because they 00:38:27.699 --> 00:38:29.639 both continued to serve in the RAF after the 00:38:29.639 --> 00:38:31.019 Second World War and they were both stationed 00:38:31.019 --> 00:38:34.159 in Ireland. Right. Their children did meet in 00:38:34.159 --> 00:38:35.619 Ireland because they ended up being next -door 00:38:35.619 --> 00:38:38.849 neighbours in Ireland. Right. OK, well, that's 00:38:38.849 --> 00:38:41.989 cool. Just strange. So, of course, like geography 00:38:41.989 --> 00:38:44.170 being as terrible as it is, I had to whip out 00:38:44.170 --> 00:38:47.090 a map. And so because I was also thinking, so 00:38:47.090 --> 00:38:49.630 I'd recently found my dad's dad in the 1926 census 00:38:49.630 --> 00:38:53.570 of Ireland. And we love Ireland. It's such a 00:38:53.570 --> 00:38:55.849 romantic country. But there's no denying the 00:38:55.849 --> 00:38:59.489 weather is shocking. So I was thinking, is him 00:38:59.489 --> 00:39:01.610 growing up in Ireland or through his childhood 00:39:01.610 --> 00:39:05.159 and teenage years? wet old island beautiful but 00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:07.360 wet and then suddenly it's the second world war 00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:09.940 and he's serving these incredible places and 00:39:09.940 --> 00:39:12.460 he goes to the Seychelles so it's even if there's 00:39:12.460 --> 00:39:14.619 a war on you're like well the weather's pretty 00:39:14.619 --> 00:39:19.320 good so it must have been not just him like all 00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:21.219 of the all of the young people who are serving 00:39:21.219 --> 00:39:24.659 in the war just have been mind -boggling like 00:39:24.659 --> 00:39:26.980 the you know the 30s were tough it was a tough 00:39:26.980 --> 00:39:29.800 period wasn't it 20s and 30s lots of economic 00:39:29.800 --> 00:39:34.260 hardship it wasn't wasn't a time most people 00:39:34.260 --> 00:39:36.619 if it went on holiday it would be a British Isles 00:39:36.619 --> 00:39:38.840 holiday at best or you might not go on holiday 00:39:38.840 --> 00:39:42.019 and suddenly to go and see the world even in 00:39:42.019 --> 00:39:45.860 such terrible conditions it must have been must 00:39:45.860 --> 00:39:48.480 have had awesome aspects. Yeah it was quite a 00:39:48.480 --> 00:39:51.920 culture shock. All I can see is SAS rogue heroes 00:39:51.920 --> 00:39:54.820 now in my head. That's why I've been having fun 00:39:54.820 --> 00:39:57.079 doing that. So Nathan we've been having a busy 00:39:57.079 --> 00:39:58.800 time recently and what are you going to get up 00:39:58.800 --> 00:40:01.199 to next week in your family history? I'm actually 00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:03.400 not quite sure. I obviously need to write up 00:40:03.400 --> 00:40:05.139 everybody's notes that they've done the homework 00:40:05.139 --> 00:40:07.920 for me. So I need to, I want, as much as obviously 00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:09.840 I see these facts and know they're right, I need 00:40:09.840 --> 00:40:12.679 to find all these documents for myself and get 00:40:12.679 --> 00:40:14.719 them linked to my tree. So that'll be a bit of 00:40:14.719 --> 00:40:17.760 a tidy up job for me. I don't want to labour 00:40:17.760 --> 00:40:20.099 on this little rabbit hole too long, but I still 00:40:20.099 --> 00:40:22.900 am intrigued to see if I can find a child involved 00:40:22.900 --> 00:40:26.400 in it. So I might do that. And after that, I 00:40:26.400 --> 00:40:29.380 really don't know. I guess I might go back to... 00:40:29.820 --> 00:40:33.039 doing a bit further back in my tree or I might 00:40:33.039 --> 00:40:34.900 find some more random photographs that seem to 00:40:34.900 --> 00:40:36.679 draw conversations out in my mother. That seems 00:40:36.679 --> 00:40:38.719 quite a good thing to do. So maybe I'll do that. 00:40:39.000 --> 00:40:40.780 It's a really good thing to do. Conversations 00:40:40.780 --> 00:40:43.420 with living people should never be left. They 00:40:43.420 --> 00:40:46.360 should be acted on. Yeah, it's just hilarious, 00:40:46.579 --> 00:40:47.920 isn't it? Like the number of times I've told 00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:49.579 my mum about what I'm doing and what's going 00:40:49.579 --> 00:40:52.260 on and she doesn't seem to know anything. And 00:40:52.260 --> 00:40:53.840 then you put a couple of photographs in there 00:40:53.840 --> 00:40:55.880 and suddenly all these stories start coming out. 00:40:56.480 --> 00:40:59.039 It's cool. It's really cool. It's very, very 00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:02.010 cool. Yeah. What about you then? So I'm going 00:41:02.010 --> 00:41:04.690 to tidy up the last bit of the logbook. So the 00:41:04.690 --> 00:41:06.590 logbook's looking in pretty good shape. And the 00:41:06.590 --> 00:41:08.329 whole point of getting the transcript for the 00:41:08.329 --> 00:41:10.309 logbook was that was just the starting point 00:41:10.309 --> 00:41:12.789 that I want to create a map with all the places 00:41:12.789 --> 00:41:15.170 that he flew plotted on it because I thought 00:41:15.170 --> 00:41:17.269 that'd be interesting to look at. And if I can 00:41:17.269 --> 00:41:19.389 work out how to do it, which I probably can't, 00:41:19.389 --> 00:41:21.670 but if I can work out how to do a map so that 00:41:21.670 --> 00:41:24.570 I can have the dots going in kind of live time 00:41:24.570 --> 00:41:27.650 and have like two coloured dots when he's night 00:41:27.650 --> 00:41:29.750 flying and day flying. That's what I'd love to 00:41:29.750 --> 00:41:32.869 do. That sounds really cool. Beyond me, all that 00:41:32.869 --> 00:41:34.329 techie bits beyond me. I could do a map with 00:41:34.329 --> 00:41:36.590 pins on it. I think a map would be awesome, eh? 00:41:36.789 --> 00:41:38.849 Give you that adventurer vibe, wouldn't it, as 00:41:38.849 --> 00:41:42.630 well? I love all that stuff. So that's me. Cool. 00:41:42.769 --> 00:41:46.469 Nice one. And we have started our own podcast 00:41:46.469 --> 00:41:49.389 page, haven't we, on our website, where we started 00:41:49.389 --> 00:41:51.550 putting, I've put a few images on there. If anybody 00:41:51.550 --> 00:41:53.650 wants to look at what we've been practicing on 00:41:53.650 --> 00:41:55.809 about, I've put a few images on of things that 00:41:55.809 --> 00:41:58.079 I've spoken about in the past. And we have started 00:41:58.079 --> 00:41:59.880 putting links on there to anything we mention 00:41:59.880 --> 00:42:01.820 in the podcast. So if people want to go have 00:42:01.820 --> 00:42:03.940 a look at that, they can do. So, Nathan, how 00:42:03.940 --> 00:42:06.800 do they find this podcast page? They go to our 00:42:06.800 --> 00:42:10.219 website, which is www .family -tree .co .uk. 00:42:10.760 --> 00:42:14.159 And then if you click on content library on one 00:42:14.159 --> 00:42:16.360 of the top menus, we'll probably be near the 00:42:16.360 --> 00:42:18.099 top because I keep updating it. So it keeps on 00:42:18.099 --> 00:42:20.539 bringing the actual podcast to the top. But you 00:42:20.539 --> 00:42:22.559 can just search using the search terms and podcast 00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:26.360 will bring up the page. And it literally... It'll 00:42:26.360 --> 00:42:28.059 just take you through the notes from each episode, 00:42:28.179 --> 00:42:31.659 starting from episode 77, I think we've started 00:42:31.659 --> 00:42:33.840 it from. There's a few images on there and some 00:42:33.840 --> 00:42:35.780 links, just pictures of my granddad, pictures 00:42:35.780 --> 00:42:37.900 of Calderwall Memorial, just things that we've 00:42:37.900 --> 00:42:41.679 mentioned. Cool. Okay. Well, thanks for listening, 00:42:41.739 --> 00:42:43.739 everybody, and we'll see you next week. Yep. 00:42:43.760 --> 00:42:44.320 Happy researching.