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Hello and welcome to the Family Tree Talk podcast.

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My name's Helen Tovey. I'm editor of Family Tree

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and with me as usual is... Nathan Ward. Hello

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there. Hi Nathan. Today we've got a very special

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guest. Who's that then? It's our publisher, Matthew

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Hill. Oh my God. Hello. In our best behaviour.

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Have we been bad? Yes, we have never been bad.

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In fact, we've been very good recently, haven't

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we? We have. Working very hard. Yes. So here

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he is anyway. Hello, Matt. Hi. Hi. So we've asked

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you to come along today because we've all got

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some very exciting news to talk about, haven't

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we? We have, yes. And you might have seen on

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socials and things, but we've redesigned and

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relaunched our website and we're very proud of

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it, aren't we? We're very proud. In fact, it's

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so good and so different that unless you know

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our web address, you might accidentally think

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you've stumbled on a completely different website.

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So just to tell you the website, it is www .family

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-tree .co .uk. And it is awesome. It's good fun,

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isn't it? So Matt, what's the kind of aim of

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the website? Who's it aimed for? What sort of

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family historian or someone who's even curious

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about family history? Well, that's what we've

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done, Helen. So we're really catering for anyone

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who's interested. in family history. And at the

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kind of heart of the website, the main bit of

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it, the main appeal is our content library. So

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all the webinars we run with Family Tree Plus,

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all the guides we have, videos, downloads, it's

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all in this content library that you can search

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through so you can tailor it to your own experience.

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You can use tags to find the topic that you're

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really interested in. So it's bringing together

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all our advice and support that we do through

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everything we do, including the podcast that

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you guys do, and just making it so much easier

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for people to find and to enjoy, get something

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from, learn from, and also... go on learning

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journeys we've called them so you may read a

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guide about a particular topic and it's in a

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journey so you can continue that over three four

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five guides videos that kind of thing and just

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really get a good sense of the topic and learn

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from it Cool. So Nathan, we always say you're

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a newbie, but you're not really a newbie at Family

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History anymore. But you're not much of an oldie

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that you still can remember being a newbie. So

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let's say somebody is pretty new on the Family

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History thing. They've just kind of Googled Family

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History podcast. They've stumbled across us and

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they're like, I don't actually know one end of

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a census from the other. What would you recommend

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to somebody who's going to our website? well

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obviously there's a new section called getting

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started and that's all the beginner guides and

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links to various things that are going to help

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you get started so basically everything we've

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done on the podcast for the last year all that

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sort of content but in obviously digestible chunks

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it's on there for you and then obviously after

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that we've got all the next steps and then digging

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deeper so we've sort of chopped up all the content

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for everybody and made it easy access And things

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like the census and BMD records, like whether

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you've been digging family history for a year

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or 20 years, then we all keep using it. And there's

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always new tricks to learn about it, new places

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you can access things, new collections being

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digitised. So for all of us, I think we probably

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all keep scooting back to the beginner content

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and refreshing and keeping up to date. Definitely.

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It's amazing how much stuff you can forget, isn't

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it? It's great. And it looks pretty too. Let's

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say that it does. Oh, it definitely does. It

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looks like a box of chocolates. It looks fantastic,

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doesn't it? It does. It's the place you need

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to go to get everything you want from your family

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history. Yeah. So, Matt, what's your favourite

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thing about our new website? Is there one single

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favourite thing? Well, I mean, the content library,

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the way it works, if people go along and have

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a look at it, a box of chocolates is a really

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good way of describing it because there's so

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much on there. And you can just, yeah, as I say,

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dive in, you can select the topic, your experience.

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And also you can see what's available to you

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as just visitors to the site. You can register

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onto the site and then you'll get a little bit

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more content available. And then Family Tree

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Plus, which is our online membership. If you're

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a member, then pretty much, well, most of the

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website is kind of unlocked. to you we just we

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have some master classes and webinars that are

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separate from that but most of the guys most

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of the content library is is um available to

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all the members so that's that's probably my

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my favorite bit it does look lovely um very modern

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pretty box of chocolates um yeah we're just we're

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just really proud of it and you know we'd love

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feedback from people as well hopefully agree

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so what what if somebody just comes onto the

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website and what can they do there for free today

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So if they come along, the menu on the homepage

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of the website has, as Nathan said, getting started,

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next steps, digging deeper and DNA testing. So

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they can dip into any of those kind of content

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streams. And there's loads of content that's

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free and freely available for you to read. So

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you can just dive in. If you register on the

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website and then go to your dashboard, it will

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show you. you know where you've been your recent

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recently viewed items which is really cool so

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you can have a read you know go for a coffee

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or come back in a couple of days and you can

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pick up where you left off um so it's really

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it's it's kind of changed the way we look at

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a website so rather than just putting how -to

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guides up there and kind of hoping people come

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and read them it's much more structured it's

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much more of a kind of a learning experience

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and um and we think it's yeah we think it's going

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to work really well so we'd love you to come

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and have a look at it I mean, for somebody like

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me, who is, I am busy and I am also a bit forgetful,

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then having to log in, then be able to go and

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see what I was reading about last time and pick

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it up maybe over several days. Because when we

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read something to do with family history, we

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don't just want to read it. The whole point is

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we learn it and then we put it into practice

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and we get better at doing our own family history.

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We learn new skills. We find out new places to

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look, all of that sort of stuff. So for me, being

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able to see where I was up to reading something

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and what my goals were, using that in tandem

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with my little... notebook writing down what

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i'm learning about it's just perfect it's kind

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of self -tailored self -learning it's really

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good from yeah and it and and one of the things

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we pride ourselves on is kind of impartiality

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so we're going to give you you know advice on

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what website to use what tool to use for for

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a particular research project or topic i know

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you're talking about find my past newspapers

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i think in the last episode so we've actually

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got a video on that on the website But yeah,

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we're completely impartial. We're not going to

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give you any actual records or DNA testing, but

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we'll tell you how to do it, which one to choose

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and give you that support that you need. So yeah,

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kind of take pride in that. As a team, we offer

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that impartial advice and that's something that

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I think is quite unique. So the way the website

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is now designed and the content is presented,

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it really kind of showcases that. So, yeah, it's

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really cool. It's really cool. Nathan, have you

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got something that you particularly love about

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it? Just, yeah, I probably agree with Matt. I

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do like the content hub and I like the way that

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the information is presented now. Without being

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offensive to ourself, I think it was slightly

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hard to find this information on our website

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before. Whereas now it feels like a proper hub

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for family history. You can come and find anything

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you want and it's all easily digestible. It just

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looks really nice and calm and comforting. it's

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somewhere you're going to want to come back to

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because you know there's going to be the next

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step after you've done your first bit of research.

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I totally agree. So if you haven't already, head

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over to our website, family -tree .co .uk, have

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a look, maybe register. And if you do that, because

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we'll be evolving things on the website, we've

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got new events coming up, then you kind of won't

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miss anything. You sign up to our free e -newsletter.

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And then also, if you haven't already done a

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free trial to Family Tree Plus, then you can

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take out a free trial. You don't even have to

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put in your credit card details. The free trial

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lasts for seven days. And we have got... Just

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so many video tutorials and presentations that

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you can just, you're going to have to put time

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off work or do something good, go and hide out

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in the park and just enjoy these videos because

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there's so many things to learn. So over the

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next seven days, you can really enjoy that. And

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if you decide it's for you, you're very welcome

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to join us and become a Family Tree bus member

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going forward. So I think that's everything for

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now, isn't it? Yeah, that's brilliant. Thank

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you for having me and loving the podcast. Before

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I go, last time I was on here, which was, well.

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quite a few months ago now um i said i think

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i said i hadn't done a dna test i've now done

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one and i won't tell you all all the results

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but i'm two percent swedish so i just wanted

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to to mention that to nathan so i'm pretty much

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a viking thanks matt thanks it's time for you

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to go now and also just just on that i my dad

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always said he was a viking because of something

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with his fingers i don't know if you've heard

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heard that there's like a viking contracture

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in your fingers that he had i haven't got that

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so i hope that's some consolation to you nathan

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i'm not quite as viking and also just to make

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you feel better he's just showing off now nathan

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i think we need to cut him off cut me off cut

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me off let's mute him before you do well done

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to nathan on running a marathon on sunday and

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then making it into work on monday to complete

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our help us complete the website so oh thank

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you heroic heroic effort I was walking very gingerly

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that day, but I did make it in. Yeah, it was

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all good. Brilliant. Thank you for having me.

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And do look at the website. It's brilliant. So,

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Nathan, Matt just mentioned your marathon. Yeah.

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Yeah, I did Leeds Marathon. I was doing it as

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I was training as a backup for a friend who thought

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he might get injured and he was training to do

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it. with his son for the first time. And he was

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like, I'm not sure I'm going to make it round.

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Can you train in case I don't get to the day?

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And as it is, he trained and got stronger and

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stronger and was amazing. But I'd done the lightest

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bit of training anyway, so I thought I might

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as well sign up and do it. So for this marathon...

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Sorry, guys, I'm going to rant about running

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now anyway. For this marathon, I'd trained lightly.

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I'd done one long run a week and one short run

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a week. Previously, when I've been training for

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marathons, I'd do five runs in a week. But in

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between all that, I'd been doing a bit of Pilates

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as well and a bit of gym work, which I hadn't

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done before. So I did less run training for this

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marathon. So I was like, right, OK, I'm going

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to go. I'll do it for fun and it'll be fine.

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It'll be nice. As it is, I went out on the day

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and got a personal best. So just goes to show

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you don't need to run as much to train for it,

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which is weird, really weird. But I'm really

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chuffed. So it was cool. Really nice day out.

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I ran with four of my other friends and we all

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got PBs. It was fabulous. That is amazing. You

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know, I saw the pictures, Nathan, on Facebook

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and it just looked like such a happy life experience.

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And as ever, it made me think of family history

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because nothing escapes the kind of the... The

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net of family history through my eyes. And so

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recently, I've been working on some of the articles

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ahead because we have to work a little bit ahead

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because there's always lots to do. And there's

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this amazing genealogist called Hiana Hellstein,

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and she's all about the fact that we should record

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our own life stories. And as family historians,

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we can be quite modest about that. And we just

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are always checking out people decades ago, centuries

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ago. And then when it comes to our own family

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story, there can be a big blank page. And she

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was... kind of encouraging and urging us in these

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articles which are going to appear soon in family

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tree we're going to run a lovely course with

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her come the autumn it's going to have a time

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capsule it's going to be so exciting so you build

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your own time capsule anyway this back to the

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marathon this made me think that i hope somewhere

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you journal your marathon stuff because for your

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boys or any other future descendants like the

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dedication you put into it and the joy you get

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out of it it's just really inspiring and it's

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a really it's a big bit of your life doing running

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I'd love to say it was a big bit of my life but

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it isn't but um but it's really cool so do you

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write it down somewhere like how are we going

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to capture these marathon memories it it's a

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weird one I do I do sort of worry about this

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a bit like I'm on Strava which is like the runners

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social media app thing it tracks you run it tells

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you how fast you've done things where it shows

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you a map of the route etc which is quite cool

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But other than people that are logged into Strava,

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I don't think anybody else has access to that.

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In terms of like my medals, I just throw them

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in my sock drawer when I'm done. I don't display

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them or anything, which is probably wrong. I

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should take a bit more pride in it. Yeah, I mean,

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it's just social media, isn't it? Like sharing

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on my run groups. I don't actually really share

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it that much with anyone else. Although, to be

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fair, if you looked at my social media, it pretty

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much is just me talking about running. It would

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be good to chronicle it. It's like my friend

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Kate, she asked me how many miles I'd done training

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and I didn't have a clue because I haven't been

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following it. So I went back and added it up.

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And despite me saying I only did two runs a week

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in the training, it added up to 389 miles of

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training. But it would be quite nice to just

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write that down somewhere, wouldn't it? And say

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like, oh, my dad was so dedicated or whatever.

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He did this and went on that many runs. But no,

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I'm not putting it anywhere. Not for future generations

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to find. When I die, somebody's going to open

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my sock drawer and be like, oh, this guy ran.

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And there won't be really any records of it.

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Weird. Something for us all to think about because

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we're all going to be in danger of doing that,

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aren't we? Having things that we love, things

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that we do. If it's digital, kind of a digital

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journal on Facebook, that's only so far so good.

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It's not very far and not very good. it's not

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very kind of future -proof is it and it's not

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very accessible necessarily definitely not no

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and then like in a weird way like all my running

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group they are my family as well it's it's a

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weird thing that all these people that won't

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appear on my tree but they are the fabric of

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who I am as well and obviously I'm still riding

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on a little bit of euphoria so I'm very loved

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up with my run group at the moment but um it's

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just lovely to share these moments with them

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and like I say they are like a family so it's

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it's a strange one to then not actually have

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it catalogued anywhere. So, because I'm such

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a bossy person, can I give you a to -do list?

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Do I have any choice? No. Go on then, go for

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it. So I think even if you don't do it for all

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of your previous marathons, but probably you

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could. do it relatively easily but definitely

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for the one that you've just done while it's

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all fresh in your mind you need to print out

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a couple of those photos those lovely pictures

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of you and your running buddies you need to even

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if it's just with a pen write on the printout

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and go put their names yeah And with little arrows,

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everyone knows exactly who is who in the picture.

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You need to write just what you told me that

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it was a personal best. You could do some screen

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grabs of Strava from Strava and say how many

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miles you ran and the places you ran. Because

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you never know, one day in the future, you might

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have a grandson or a great grandson. This is

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what Kiana Hellstein is all about. She's like,

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we need to tell our descendants what our life

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was actually like. It's a great way of feeling

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bonded and to help. people through tough times

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like knowing someone was born in a certain place

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and died there and worked as whatever job that

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does nothing for anybody doesn't make a soul

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thing whereas if you knew that your great great

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grandpa um sometimes had struggles but kept running

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and was a really diligent person you'd be like

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I'm diligent I'm like him and you can feel It's

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like a comfort blanket from the ancestors, kind

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of woven to all these stories and memories. So

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you're going to get your word document. You're

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shoving in the pictures. You're annotating them.

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You're getting your pictures in Strava. You're

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writing down about how you didn't have as much

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time to train as you wished. And the focus of

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you actually doing this marathon was just for

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a friend anyway, initially. But you had the silver

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lining karma reward that you got a PB. You're

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going to write it all down and say how helpful

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running is in your life. Definitely. shoved that

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in the drawer as well yeah definitely we know

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what freddie sucks it is quite interesting because

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like both myself and my cousin have we found

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running in sort of later life i don't really

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want to say later life but we were we weren't

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running when we were younger i'll put it that

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way and we've got into it and then both like

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my auntie and my mom have been like oh it's great

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that you two are running and obviously picked

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it up roughly at the same time because Then they've

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gone on to say that my granddad used to run with

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like putsy harriers and all this stuff and things

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that we didn't actually know. You know, we've

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gone to running without knowing he was actually

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actively involved in this. And now it's really

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cool to think that might have come from him,

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like the athletic ability, if you will. Athletic

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ability and its mindset and mindset is a huge

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quality, isn't it? Definitely. Yeah, you have

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to keep saying that you have to be stubborn to

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be a runner or a family historian. Yeah. so we

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have as ever got loads of mail i know should

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we have a little dive into our mailbox please

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do okay i don't think i'm ever gonna get bored

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with our podcast mail i love it i love it i just

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it's nice to know that people are listening to

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us we're not just having fun talking to each

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other yes so First up, we have a message from

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Professor Kevin. Oh. I know. And Kevin has, he's

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written him before and he's written him with

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another great tip. So he's talking about Nathan.

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The other week, then you put up a photo of one

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of your ancestors on your ancestry tree. And

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then you were kind of like a bit disappointed

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that there wasn't a huge rush of people stealing

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the photo for your tree, in Kevin's words. And

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Kevin relates to this. He says, I must admit,

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I had some trepidation initially as well, but

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I've got over this. Most people who share the

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photos will be relatives anyway, so that's not

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all bad. And he recently shared a photo of his

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great grandparents with their children, and it

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recently appeared back to him in his hints as

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a colourised photo. So someone had copied down

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the photo, colourised it, added it up again,

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and it had been served up to him as a colourful

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hint. So that's kind of fun. And then... This

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is his tip for you. He says, what I was going

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to suggest to Nathan is that the profile photos

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don't need to be of the person themselves. He

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sometimes puts a photo of the church they were

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married in or the house they lived in, or even

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just something related to where they lived, preferably

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historic pictures or paintings. Sometimes he

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puts a flag or an emblem instead. Anyway, don't

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know if this is helpful, Kevin writes, but it's

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just another idea to bombard his brain with.

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What do you think about that? Yeah, my brain

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is officially bombarded. It's a nice idea, though.

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Like, I was very one track with it. I was thinking,

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yeah, picture, picture, picture, like, you know,

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profile pics. It doesn't have to be, does it?

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And if you can't find that picture, that person's

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picture, but you could find their house or their

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street, then that's also a good link to refresh

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your mind as to, oh, they were there, or this

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is a little bit of context for them. So that

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is a good idea. It's a really good idea because...

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Old photos, if someone's passed and the photo

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hasn't been taken or the photo's been lost to

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time, we don't want to kind of stall and just

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have the little pink, blue or grey profile. We

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can definitely do better than that, can't we?

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Yeah. I mean, I've still not managed to put,

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I'll get onto this in a bit, but I've still not

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managed to put any more pictures on there. But

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when I go to my tree and I see Margaret Gamble

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with that one picture, I'm like, oh, that looks

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really cool. I need more, definitely. It's on

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my list of things to do. It's become a priority.

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One side note to this. I've put that picture

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on there of her. And she looks like, in this

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picture, she looks like a really old lady. And

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I don't know if you remember, because it's George

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Horatio Nelson. Yes, my favourite. It's his first

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wife. She died and then obviously he remarried.

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And in this picture, like I say, I've only just

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realised, but she was only 40 when she died.

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But obviously of the times, she looked really

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old. I'd say she looks like grandma age. It's

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very intriguing. It is. And maybe also because

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she died young, maybe whatever her ill health

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was, maybe that just has taken its toll on her

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looks. Now you're making me feel guilty like

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I've judged her. Honestly, sometimes you see

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wartime pictures and I have this with one of

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my grandfathers. There's pictures of him in the

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spring of 1939 and he's... When he previously

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left school about a year before, he looks like

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a kid. You see pictures of him in May 1945 and

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you think he's in his early 40s. Those six long

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years of the Second World War just took it out

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of him. Yeah? Yeah. Yeah. Sorry, might be depressing.

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Sorry about that. No, I mean, obviously it's

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all very depressing. I've just checked because

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I actually bought her a death certificate. She

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died with issues from pregnancy. Yeah. But, you

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know, having a baby at 40 as well in those times.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and potentially she's had,

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I can't remember how many children she'd had,

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but it's tough, isn't it? We do have to learn

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about tough things when we do our family history.

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She had six, six children. Six, that's a lot.

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Maybe seven. Yeah. Because also, back in the

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day, we're talking early 20th century, there

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were formula milk and bottles, you can find them,

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they're kind of funny banana -shaped bottles,

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I think back to Victorian times, or maybe even,

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probably way back when, because there will always

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have been... for whatever reason for some babies

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to need to be bottle fed in the past. And then

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obviously with developments and society expectations,

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things have changed and they continue to change

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over the decades. But if we're going back to

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the early 20th century, there's every chance

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you would have breastfed all those children.

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So it's not just being pregnant. Sorry, Nathan,

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that this is not your area, but any women out

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there, it's tiring being pregnant and breastfeeding.

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It takes a lot of vitamins out of you. Yeah.

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So it's a long process. It's not just those nine

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months. Yeah? Yeah, no, I appreciate that. Yeah.

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Shall I dive back into the mailbox? Oh, please

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do. Have we got more? We have got more, yes.

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So this is from Kate now. And Kate says she wanted

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to say how much she enjoys our podcast. Thank

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you, Kate. So Kate works as a gardener and she's

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always pleased on a Monday morning because she

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can listen to our wonderful podcast whilst working.

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The only downside is that there's so much good

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information that she feels she should make notes

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and that doesn't really go hand in hand with

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weeding or pruning. Nice one. Distracting people

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from their work. I like it. Yes, but also so

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impressive that she wants to make notes. I like

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that. Yes, it is. We like a good bit of diligence,

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don't we? Those research logs. I'm always filling

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my research log in. Hashtag, I'm not. Well, we

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do write down some things, don't we? I am getting

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better. Yes. The last... I'm a comet, is for

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me. And I was so excited about this because,

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you know, when you said that you kind of hope

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when you put the photo up of your ancestor, there

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will be loads of other relations diving onto

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it going, yes, yes, yes, like a kind of flock

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of seagulls. And you could all have a conversation

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about the ancestor photo. And then there was

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a kind of a silence. And that was a bit sad.

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And I often feel that with my family history

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that I'm like, why is no one else researching

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my people? Because they're not just mine, obviously

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other people's as well. And I often feel like

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I'm researching in a vacuum. Anyway, Celine writes

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from Cork. So I was waffling a few weeks ago

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when the 1926 census for Ireland came out and

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I was waffling about where my great great grandpa

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and great granny were living. My great great

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granny and my grandpa, where they were living

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in Cork in Douglas. Celine writes, she loves

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the chats between us, Nathan, and she was listening

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on her drive to work and was on the Douglas overpass

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when we mentioned the mill. So that was the O

00:24:22.180 --> 00:24:24.019
'Brien's Mill or St. Patrick's Mill in Douglas

00:24:24.019 --> 00:24:26.880
Cork, where my great great grandpa worked. And

00:24:26.880 --> 00:24:29.039
Celine says, I know that we can see anything

00:24:29.039 --> 00:24:32.039
on Google Earth, etc. But if there are any local

00:24:32.039 --> 00:24:34.619
photos that you'd like me to take, then she's

00:24:34.619 --> 00:24:37.470
happy to. I mean, isn't that kind? Oh, that's

00:24:37.470 --> 00:24:39.130
really lovely. That's really nice. Thank you.

00:24:39.190 --> 00:24:41.829
I know. So although it's not a family history

00:24:41.829 --> 00:24:44.130
connection like Celine and my aunt related, it

00:24:44.130 --> 00:24:46.150
was so cool just to think of that geographical

00:24:46.150 --> 00:24:48.970
connection. Yeah, it gives you the context, doesn't

00:24:48.970 --> 00:24:50.950
it, and the location. And you love maps, obviously,

00:24:50.950 --> 00:24:53.849
so that will tie in nicely. Yeah, it does tie

00:24:53.849 --> 00:24:56.970
in really, really well. Yeah. So there's one

00:24:56.970 --> 00:25:01.009
thing which I thought we could think about because

00:25:01.009 --> 00:25:03.490
I think both me and you are struggling with this

00:25:03.490 --> 00:25:05.809
a little bit. Shall we talk about something difficult?

00:25:06.660 --> 00:25:11.940
go on then what well um so is that what what

00:25:11.940 --> 00:25:14.579
on earth do good research notes look like because

00:25:14.579 --> 00:25:18.380
we it's a continuous battle isn't it we we talk

00:25:18.380 --> 00:25:21.420
loftily about our research logs and then we start

00:25:21.420 --> 00:25:24.259
our genealogy journal and we have so many good

00:25:24.259 --> 00:25:26.420
intentions we chat about the notes and the comments

00:25:26.420 --> 00:25:30.940
we can put into our online trees but What are

00:25:30.940 --> 00:25:33.539
we doing here? There's so many things to try

00:25:33.539 --> 00:25:35.599
and do. I think we need to take it back to the

00:25:35.599 --> 00:25:38.420
beginning, do a bit of a 101 for somebody who's

00:25:38.420 --> 00:25:41.140
brand new, maybe to family history or brand new

00:25:41.140 --> 00:25:44.079
to the idea of making notes about it. And also

00:25:44.079 --> 00:25:45.619
to ourselves, because I think we're getting lost

00:25:45.619 --> 00:25:47.180
in the weeds. What are we trying to accomplish?

00:25:48.079 --> 00:25:51.559
Okay. Yeah, that sounds good. Yeah. Yeah. Over

00:25:51.559 --> 00:25:54.500
to you, Nathan. I'm stumped. As to what we do.

00:25:56.240 --> 00:25:58.460
Why are we here? We're here to make a family

00:25:58.460 --> 00:26:00.000
tree. We're here to find out if we're a Viking,

00:26:00.140 --> 00:26:02.859
which obviously I'm not, so we'll forget about

00:26:02.859 --> 00:26:05.779
that for now. Yes, so we're here to find how

00:26:05.779 --> 00:26:08.000
far back we can get in our family tree, see who

00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:11.079
we're related to, and discover lots of fun family

00:26:11.079 --> 00:26:14.460
stories using all the documents that are available

00:26:14.460 --> 00:26:20.740
to us on the internet or in archives. That is

00:26:20.740 --> 00:26:22.960
a really good summary. So that's all the stuff

00:26:22.960 --> 00:26:26.400
that we do, and then... It is kind of quite an

00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:28.000
emotional journey as well, because it sounds

00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:29.839
quite clinical when you say what we have to do.

00:26:29.900 --> 00:26:32.400
It sounds very nuts and bolts. But when we do

00:26:32.400 --> 00:26:34.559
it, it does feel much more like a soap opera

00:26:34.559 --> 00:26:38.460
or normally quite a tragic movie, doesn't it?

00:26:38.619 --> 00:26:40.740
It does when you are doing it and you start painting

00:26:40.740 --> 00:26:42.779
little stories. I mean, they're beautiful. I

00:26:42.779 --> 00:26:44.960
love your stories. They're always sad, aren't

00:26:44.960 --> 00:26:48.940
they? Sorry. They kind of make me happy because

00:26:48.940 --> 00:26:52.500
I'm like, oh, sad just happens. But things carry

00:26:52.500 --> 00:26:56.980
on. I kind of find that. Cheering. Yeah. Sounds

00:26:56.980 --> 00:26:59.759
weird. What I mean is sad isn't the end of the

00:26:59.759 --> 00:27:01.799
world. Sometimes sad is tough, but you have to

00:27:01.799 --> 00:27:04.019
just keep going. Yeah. Yeah. And it also makes

00:27:04.019 --> 00:27:09.779
for an interesting story. Yes. Yes. So all of

00:27:09.779 --> 00:27:12.140
the stuff you were saying, that is a lot of information

00:27:12.140 --> 00:27:15.799
that we're gathering, isn't it? It is. And putting

00:27:15.799 --> 00:27:18.019
it on a tree is a really good way of kind of

00:27:18.019 --> 00:27:22.579
building a road map, isn't it? That's like the

00:27:22.579 --> 00:27:26.430
map. But it doesn't actually tell you why you

00:27:26.430 --> 00:27:28.369
decided to put that person there on the tree.

00:27:28.430 --> 00:27:31.730
It doesn't tell you what informed any of the

00:27:31.730 --> 00:27:34.170
information, like what records gave you the clues.

00:27:34.569 --> 00:27:37.990
It doesn't tell the story of them at all, does

00:27:37.990 --> 00:27:40.009
it? So we need to do more than just build a tree.

00:27:40.089 --> 00:27:42.890
We also need to do some sort of way of capturing

00:27:42.890 --> 00:27:46.609
why we did what we did, what we found, what it

00:27:46.609 --> 00:27:51.549
means to us, maybe? Yeah, definitely. I am finding

00:27:51.549 --> 00:27:54.910
the genealogy journal helpful. As normal, I am

00:27:54.910 --> 00:27:58.970
being hit and miss with my keeping up with it.

00:27:59.130 --> 00:28:02.470
If I'm perfectly honest, I did some retrospective

00:28:02.470 --> 00:28:05.130
genealogy journaling this week where I filled

00:28:05.130 --> 00:28:08.210
in previous week's genealogy journal entries

00:28:08.210 --> 00:28:10.869
that I hadn't done. But I did have the notes,

00:28:10.930 --> 00:28:14.089
I just hadn't gone to the journal. So it is still

00:28:14.089 --> 00:28:16.710
chronologically correct. I just wasn't actively

00:28:16.710 --> 00:28:18.769
doing it on the week that I should have been

00:28:18.769 --> 00:28:21.950
doing it. I think that's okay. I think it's fine.

00:28:22.009 --> 00:28:23.930
I've documented it, which is more than I was

00:28:23.930 --> 00:28:26.509
previously doing because I got so stumped with,

00:28:26.630 --> 00:28:30.130
not stumped, but bogged down with the research

00:28:30.130 --> 00:28:33.970
log because the research log became like mania.

00:28:33.970 --> 00:28:37.069
I was like, I need to research this person. I

00:28:37.069 --> 00:28:39.430
need to look at this document and then put in

00:28:39.430 --> 00:28:41.049
loads of question marks, loads of mysteries,

00:28:41.490 --> 00:28:44.630
loads of rabbit holes. And the document just

00:28:44.630 --> 00:28:47.890
became a splurge of nonsense from my brain. My

00:28:47.890 --> 00:28:51.150
genealogy journal is softer because it's, this

00:28:51.150 --> 00:28:53.849
is what I've actually done. This is what I've

00:28:53.849 --> 00:28:56.809
found out. And then at the end, what questions

00:28:56.809 --> 00:28:58.250
do I have that I might want to carry forward?

00:28:58.410 --> 00:29:00.670
So it is technically the same thing. It's just

00:29:00.670 --> 00:29:03.170
karma. And I think it's just a shift in my mindset

00:29:03.170 --> 00:29:06.829
as to what I'm recording. My research log was

00:29:06.829 --> 00:29:09.230
everything. And that just sounds like chaos.

00:29:09.250 --> 00:29:12.640
This is much slower, much calmer. It might not

00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:14.480
be as in -depth. I might not be going, I was

00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:17.440
looking at the 1921 census and blah, blah, blah,

00:29:17.500 --> 00:29:20.299
blah, blah, blah. But it's giving a structure

00:29:20.299 --> 00:29:23.519
and an order to say where my mind was and how

00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:25.339
I was progressing through this journey. So if

00:29:25.339 --> 00:29:27.019
I look back on it and read through each page,

00:29:27.220 --> 00:29:30.380
I'll see the strand I was on. I'll see maybe

00:29:30.380 --> 00:29:32.140
a couple of documents that I was thinking that

00:29:32.140 --> 00:29:34.200
related to, I've picked out like key details

00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:37.079
as to why I think things. It's just softer and

00:29:37.079 --> 00:29:38.960
it's easier to do because it's just chronicling

00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:42.160
what I'm doing as opposed to. everything I'm

00:29:42.160 --> 00:29:44.599
doing. And I think that's my own personal distinction

00:29:44.599 --> 00:29:46.319
between the two. I don't know how you feel about

00:29:46.319 --> 00:29:48.480
that. No, I think it's a really good distinction.

00:29:48.579 --> 00:29:50.400
I think it's a really good reality check because

00:29:50.400 --> 00:29:55.000
I'm definitely all for people writing down. I

00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:57.059
think we're all crazy to try and think we can

00:29:57.059 --> 00:29:58.680
do family history without writing it down. I've

00:29:58.680 --> 00:30:00.440
done that in the past. That's why I know what

00:30:00.440 --> 00:30:02.319
a silly plan it is not to write anything down

00:30:02.319 --> 00:30:05.819
because you will not remember it. I'd defy anyone

00:30:05.819 --> 00:30:08.400
to remember everything. You just can't. But then

00:30:08.400 --> 00:30:11.460
equally, sometimes... I've done the same thing

00:30:11.460 --> 00:30:13.839
as you, Nathan, write down absolutely everything.

00:30:13.980 --> 00:30:18.640
And it's almost as though it's like kind of constructing

00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:22.799
an alibi for your family history research. So

00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:27.180
as if the let's say it was a crime and the police

00:30:27.180 --> 00:30:29.559
came knocking on your door and you had like this

00:30:29.559 --> 00:30:31.980
watertight alibi of everything you've done or

00:30:31.980 --> 00:30:34.599
where you were at whatever point. But you can't.

00:30:34.809 --> 00:30:37.269
live your whole life constructing and writing

00:30:37.269 --> 00:30:39.630
noting down your alibi just in case the police

00:30:39.630 --> 00:30:42.269
come knocking on the door so that's when I get

00:30:42.269 --> 00:30:43.970
into the thing of doing a research sometimes

00:30:43.970 --> 00:30:46.809
it does get a bit out of hand and it's too unwieldy

00:30:46.809 --> 00:30:51.109
for me to ever revisit and it's it does it it

00:30:51.109 --> 00:30:52.809
doesn't make it easy to pick up my research it

00:30:52.809 --> 00:30:54.990
makes it too hard to have so much to wade through

00:30:54.990 --> 00:30:57.430
to try and pick up where I was so I definitely

00:30:57.430 --> 00:31:00.990
think there's a balance to be had there and so

00:31:00.990 --> 00:31:05.490
I think just maybe Doing a nice kind of genealogy

00:31:05.490 --> 00:31:07.210
journal for when things are going swimmingly.

00:31:07.569 --> 00:31:10.410
When things get trickier, then write more detailed

00:31:10.410 --> 00:31:13.589
notes about what you're doing, what puzzles you're

00:31:13.589 --> 00:31:15.950
trying to solve. Even the things, it's a very

00:31:15.950 --> 00:31:18.130
important point about recording, when you try

00:31:18.130 --> 00:31:20.029
something and you don't find anyone, that's worth

00:31:20.029 --> 00:31:22.250
doing so you don't do that again. But on the

00:31:22.250 --> 00:31:25.269
whole, just do your family history and then be

00:31:25.269 --> 00:31:27.049
more conscious about writing more detail when

00:31:27.049 --> 00:31:30.369
it gets hard. And then sometimes there will be...

00:31:30.650 --> 00:31:32.150
areas of our family history where we thought

00:31:32.150 --> 00:31:34.549
it was all going fine we haven't got good notes

00:31:34.549 --> 00:31:36.430
we're going to have to revisit it we're going

00:31:36.430 --> 00:31:39.009
to have to redo it at that stage we'll wish we

00:31:39.009 --> 00:31:41.670
had written our alibis and everything else down

00:31:41.670 --> 00:31:44.630
but on the whole that's that that's a less likely

00:31:44.630 --> 00:31:47.410
scenario on the whole we don't on the whole most

00:31:47.410 --> 00:31:49.670
of the things that we've worked diligently to

00:31:49.670 --> 00:31:52.970
prove find sources for and carefully construct

00:31:52.970 --> 00:31:58.740
on the whole they are fine so i think continuously

00:31:58.740 --> 00:32:01.220
maybe it's not maybe it's going to be different

00:32:01.220 --> 00:32:03.480
if you're a professional researcher and you're

00:32:03.480 --> 00:32:05.839
constructing someone else's tree on someone else's

00:32:05.839 --> 00:32:08.119
money that's one thing whereas if we're hobbyist

00:32:08.119 --> 00:32:10.160
family historians which you and I both are we're

00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:12.140
doing our own family history for our own enjoyment

00:32:12.140 --> 00:32:16.019
then I think maybe we could just be a little

00:32:16.019 --> 00:32:18.440
gentler on our note -taking not to say don't

00:32:18.440 --> 00:32:20.539
note -take but just do what just what you said

00:32:20.539 --> 00:32:23.680
yeah well it's like It's meant to be fun. It's

00:32:23.680 --> 00:32:25.839
meant to be enjoyable. We shouldn't be recording

00:32:25.839 --> 00:32:29.759
research logs or notes out of guilt. You know,

00:32:29.779 --> 00:32:32.640
for fear like, oh, what if the genealogy police

00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:35.599
do knock on my door and come check my research

00:32:35.599 --> 00:32:37.900
notes? It's not going to happen ever. You're

00:32:37.900 --> 00:32:39.619
just deluding yourself. You're just getting scared.

00:32:40.180 --> 00:32:41.900
Don't feel guilty about it. As long as you're

00:32:41.900 --> 00:32:43.339
enjoying yourself, that's the priority, isn't

00:32:43.339 --> 00:32:45.980
it? But to help you on your journey and make

00:32:45.980 --> 00:32:48.099
it easier, that's where the notes come in. But

00:32:48.099 --> 00:32:50.319
they shouldn't be recorded in a guilty way. It

00:32:50.319 --> 00:32:51.799
should be, this is going to help me later on.

00:32:53.269 --> 00:32:56.730
So I think, although, and I think this is also

00:32:56.730 --> 00:32:59.029
in family history, often all of us tried to find

00:32:59.029 --> 00:33:03.309
the absolute perfect bit of software or the perfect

00:33:03.309 --> 00:33:04.609
way of doing this or the perfect way of doing

00:33:04.609 --> 00:33:08.109
that. And it's a horrible answer, but I just

00:33:08.109 --> 00:33:10.910
don't think there is a perfect answer. I think

00:33:10.910 --> 00:33:15.069
consistency is part of a perfect answer and conscientiousness

00:33:15.069 --> 00:33:16.750
is part of a perfect answer, but there isn't

00:33:16.750 --> 00:33:19.869
a tool or a system. I don't think that's perfect.

00:33:19.930 --> 00:33:23.029
If anyone listening has a perfect solution that

00:33:23.029 --> 00:33:25.029
they've been using for a while and they go, this

00:33:25.029 --> 00:33:29.910
is it, please tell us. Well, I'm an example of

00:33:29.910 --> 00:33:33.109
that, aren't I? I've solidly come into family

00:33:33.109 --> 00:33:36.190
history as a complete beginner and said to myself,

00:33:36.410 --> 00:33:39.690
I'm doing this in Ancestry and that's it. So

00:33:39.690 --> 00:33:42.390
I spent a year doing that and I've done really

00:33:42.390 --> 00:33:44.849
well and Ancestry is absolutely brilliant. But

00:33:44.849 --> 00:33:47.490
the more involved you get. the more you realise

00:33:47.490 --> 00:33:50.569
that it's not everything and you can get more

00:33:50.569 --> 00:33:53.650
things from other websites or other places. And

00:33:53.650 --> 00:33:55.329
you do need to start dipping your toe into those

00:33:55.329 --> 00:33:57.769
bits. But as a beginner, it can be quite daunting

00:33:57.769 --> 00:34:01.410
to find all these places to go search or visit,

00:34:01.529 --> 00:34:04.109
etc. So starting off somewhere like Ancestry

00:34:04.109 --> 00:34:05.910
was perfectly fine and it is a good place to

00:34:05.910 --> 00:34:08.769
start. But there isn't, like you said, just one

00:34:08.769 --> 00:34:10.530
place you can stay if you're going to get that

00:34:10.530 --> 00:34:13.739
involved in it. This is a really interesting

00:34:13.739 --> 00:34:15.960
conversation to have. So you have done a lot

00:34:15.960 --> 00:34:18.360
of family history now over the last kind of year

00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:21.460
and a half. And I think just in your character,

00:34:21.500 --> 00:34:22.900
you're going to think you're a newbie forever

00:34:22.900 --> 00:34:25.039
because that's just how you are. But you're not

00:34:25.039 --> 00:34:27.239
a newbie anymore. But can you scroll your head

00:34:27.239 --> 00:34:30.519
back and say to somebody, maybe they've had a

00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:32.500
conversation with a relation recently, or maybe

00:34:32.500 --> 00:34:34.159
it's just been an idea that's pondering around

00:34:34.159 --> 00:34:35.900
their head and they're thinking, I really actually

00:34:35.900 --> 00:34:38.619
like to do some family history. heard other people

00:34:38.619 --> 00:34:40.420
talk about their family history and maybe watched

00:34:40.420 --> 00:34:42.860
a tele programme, maybe have listened to a different

00:34:42.860 --> 00:34:44.880
podcast from our one and they want to get started.

00:34:45.619 --> 00:34:47.800
What would you recommend to somebody who's just

00:34:47.800 --> 00:34:49.659
starting out, literally from the beginning? They

00:34:49.659 --> 00:34:50.960
haven't really done anything. They might have

00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:53.000
a few papers or just a few questions in their

00:34:53.000 --> 00:34:56.519
head. Right. I think I still would recommend

00:34:56.519 --> 00:34:59.480
signing up for a free Ancestry account, not necessarily

00:34:59.480 --> 00:35:04.139
a subscription. And I'd say get down on, well...

00:35:04.539 --> 00:35:06.380
clearly if you said ancestry get down on paper

00:35:06.380 --> 00:35:08.800
or get down on ancestry your immediate relatives

00:35:08.800 --> 00:35:11.420
and the reason I'd say do it on ancestry is because

00:35:11.420 --> 00:35:13.280
it looks pretty when you see the tree starting

00:35:13.280 --> 00:35:16.159
and I think that will create the natural excitement

00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:18.300
and make you want to then say right well how

00:35:18.300 --> 00:35:20.699
do I get a bit further back so yeah jot down

00:35:20.699 --> 00:35:22.659
your direct descendants as far as you know from

00:35:22.659 --> 00:35:25.460
your own head and then start filling in the blanks

00:35:25.460 --> 00:35:27.829
if you don't know bits about them And then I

00:35:27.829 --> 00:35:29.570
imagine that would just spur you on to say, right,

00:35:29.630 --> 00:35:31.510
well, I've got these guys. How do I find out

00:35:31.510 --> 00:35:34.369
who their parents are? And suddenly it's a year

00:35:34.369 --> 00:35:37.570
later and you're a family historian, yeah. And

00:35:37.570 --> 00:35:43.170
if somebody is doing that, then I think you found

00:35:43.170 --> 00:35:45.030
it quite helpful chatting to your mum, didn't

00:35:45.030 --> 00:35:47.670
you? Yeah, well, she'd obviously, my mum had

00:35:47.670 --> 00:35:51.190
done some family history years ago, like in the

00:35:51.190 --> 00:35:55.429
olden days, the 90s. Pre -internet, or maybe

00:35:55.429 --> 00:35:58.400
pre -internet? Pre -internet or just on the edge

00:35:58.400 --> 00:36:01.420
of internet? Is it James Reunited? I think that

00:36:01.420 --> 00:36:04.199
was probably the only place they ever tried to

00:36:04.199 --> 00:36:06.559
go on the internet. Everything else was done

00:36:06.559 --> 00:36:10.800
in archives and libraries. So anyway, my mum

00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:14.079
had done some research and she had the history.

00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:16.639
And to be fair, there's not many people left

00:36:16.639 --> 00:36:19.679
alive in my family that have the historical knowledge.

00:36:20.219 --> 00:36:22.500
So I went and asked her some questions and she's

00:36:22.500 --> 00:36:26.460
got a big steel... a box full of old family history

00:36:26.460 --> 00:36:29.340
documents which I'd like to talk about a bit

00:36:29.340 --> 00:36:32.039
in the minute or two so that was really useful

00:36:32.039 --> 00:36:33.619
talking to her and it obviously got me a bit

00:36:33.619 --> 00:36:35.360
further because she could flesh out a few details

00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:38.159
for me and then it was as much as she was giving

00:36:38.159 --> 00:36:40.739
me the information for my own peace of mind I

00:36:40.739 --> 00:36:42.420
would then want to go check these facts and make

00:36:42.420 --> 00:36:44.900
sure they were right and Ancestry does help with

00:36:44.900 --> 00:36:49.179
that quite a lot. And just that sounds really

00:36:49.179 --> 00:36:51.039
good like building a tree and checking facts

00:36:51.039 --> 00:36:52.900
but if you haven't done any family history before

00:36:52.900 --> 00:36:55.619
like when you What did you, can you, can you

00:36:55.619 --> 00:36:57.460
remember like when you first started adding people

00:36:57.460 --> 00:36:59.699
to your tree, did you find it, was it logical?

00:36:59.800 --> 00:37:02.300
Was it nice and clear? Yes. The initial stage

00:37:02.300 --> 00:37:03.719
is definitely where, cause it's like you create

00:37:03.719 --> 00:37:07.199
yourself. My name's Nathan. And then it says

00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:08.880
like, add your parents. So you add your parents

00:37:08.880 --> 00:37:11.679
and then they appear. So you put in their birthday,

00:37:11.880 --> 00:37:15.599
hopefully not their death date yet. And then

00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:17.659
you go on and do add their parents. It's just,

00:37:17.739 --> 00:37:21.440
it is all a very natural flow. you don't have

00:37:21.440 --> 00:37:23.440
to do it at that point you don't have to do any

00:37:23.440 --> 00:37:25.380
research other than knowing your family's birth

00:37:25.380 --> 00:37:28.840
dates and that should be enough but after that

00:37:28.840 --> 00:37:30.480
i guess i guess that's when it gets trickier

00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:33.619
because obviously i had you guiding me so i knew

00:37:33.619 --> 00:37:36.659
where to go and look what to look for but that's

00:37:36.659 --> 00:37:39.300
when you have to start using the searches within

00:37:39.300 --> 00:37:41.800
ancestry looking for the census documents etc

00:37:41.800 --> 00:37:45.420
births marriages and deaths and that's obviously

00:37:45.420 --> 00:37:48.760
the starting block for everybody So with the

00:37:48.760 --> 00:37:51.519
checking the facts thing, if you are brand new

00:37:51.519 --> 00:37:53.400
to family history, there's a few things you could

00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:56.440
do. One, as long as you've got about 75 hours

00:37:56.440 --> 00:37:59.519
spare in your life, you could scoot back to episode

00:37:59.519 --> 00:38:02.940
one of the podcast. And at that stage, Nathan

00:38:02.940 --> 00:38:05.340
is a newbie family historian. He's literally

00:38:05.340 --> 00:38:07.800
not added a single name to a single family tree.

00:38:08.099 --> 00:38:11.920
And we're both newbie podcasters. And we start

00:38:11.920 --> 00:38:14.360
Nathan's journey of him doing his family history.

00:38:14.989 --> 00:38:17.650
Spoiler alert, he wanted to be a Viking and another

00:38:17.650 --> 00:38:20.949
spoiler alert. He wasn't, but... Let's not cast

00:38:20.949 --> 00:38:23.650
that one just yet. I do have a little bit of

00:38:23.650 --> 00:38:26.309
Germanic Danish or a Germanic something or other.

00:38:26.829 --> 00:38:28.769
There's a little bit of me in Denmark. I'm taking

00:38:28.769 --> 00:38:31.869
it as Viking. So we won't say I'm not a Viking

00:38:31.869 --> 00:38:35.650
just yet. Okay, we won't say that just yet. Touchy

00:38:35.650 --> 00:38:39.440
subject. touchy subject but we do start methodically

00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:41.260
well not kind of methodically because family

00:38:41.260 --> 00:38:44.559
history has a kind of method kind of sequence

00:38:44.559 --> 00:38:47.800
or methodology has a kind of sequence and flow

00:38:47.800 --> 00:38:49.960
that is very similar to all of us so we start

00:38:49.960 --> 00:38:52.519
doing our family history but then it's soon we

00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:54.340
all have our own different perspectives on it

00:38:54.340 --> 00:38:55.699
just like each of our families are different

00:38:55.699 --> 00:38:57.440
each of our relationships with our relations

00:38:57.440 --> 00:39:00.099
is different so our family history has some kind

00:39:00.099 --> 00:39:02.159
of commonalities just as all families all living

00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:03.760
families have some commonalities and has some

00:39:03.760 --> 00:39:06.309
differences anyway so i think If you're brand

00:39:06.309 --> 00:39:08.010
new to Family History, that would be useful to

00:39:08.010 --> 00:39:09.409
go back to the beginning. And the other thing,

00:39:09.489 --> 00:39:11.429
we mentioned at the beginning of this about our

00:39:11.429 --> 00:39:13.230
wonderful new website. And if you go to our website,

00:39:13.429 --> 00:39:16.190
family -tree .co .uk, go to Get Started. And

00:39:16.190 --> 00:39:19.110
there are literally organised articles going

00:39:19.110 --> 00:39:23.130
how to get started, how to build your tree, all

00:39:23.130 --> 00:39:25.409
about census records, all about birth, marriages

00:39:25.409 --> 00:39:28.090
and death records. And if you register, as Matt,

00:39:28.230 --> 00:39:30.510
our boss, was explaining, then when you come

00:39:30.510 --> 00:39:33.380
back, you'll be able to see where you were. partway

00:39:33.380 --> 00:39:34.980
through reading one of these massive articles

00:39:34.980 --> 00:39:36.760
they're really they're massive but they've got

00:39:36.760 --> 00:39:38.679
loads of useful headers to help you just read

00:39:38.679 --> 00:39:40.460
it in little chunks you'll see where you are

00:39:40.460 --> 00:39:42.480
you can build your knowledge you'll be pleased

00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:45.300
it's it's a really rewarding exercise isn't it

00:39:45.300 --> 00:39:47.659
getting that confidence and know -how about family

00:39:47.659 --> 00:39:50.139
history definitely and if i didn't have a helen

00:39:50.139 --> 00:39:51.940
i think that website would actually be really

00:39:51.940 --> 00:39:54.840
helpful to give you the starting box it's really

00:39:54.840 --> 00:39:58.389
useful content Yes. And also, if anybody is brave

00:39:58.389 --> 00:39:59.809
enough to wade back to all the old podcasts,

00:39:59.909 --> 00:40:02.289
they will see that every few episodes I have

00:40:02.289 --> 00:40:03.750
to do a confession about something I've got wrong.

00:40:04.010 --> 00:40:07.150
So we just do our best. That's what we can do

00:40:07.150 --> 00:40:10.469
as little humans, isn't it? Who doesn't love

00:40:10.469 --> 00:40:13.429
a confession? Yes. I haven't confessed anything

00:40:13.429 --> 00:40:15.190
recently. Not that I've got anything wrong. I've

00:40:15.190 --> 00:40:16.750
just never stopped confessing. No, I don't know

00:40:16.750 --> 00:40:24.599
if you haven't got anything wrong. Nathan, anyway,

00:40:24.679 --> 00:40:28.199
you tantalisingly mentioned that steel box and

00:40:28.199 --> 00:40:30.679
you said you wanted to chat more about it. Yes,

00:40:30.679 --> 00:40:34.559
and last week I mentioned about obviously putting

00:40:34.559 --> 00:40:37.820
my picture of Margaret on the tree and then that

00:40:37.820 --> 00:40:40.780
led to me talking about one of my ancestors,

00:40:40.940 --> 00:40:43.440
Edward Hearn, who I've mentioned him a few times.

00:40:43.519 --> 00:40:46.320
He died in the war. I've seen him on other people's

00:40:46.320 --> 00:40:48.199
tree where he didn't die in the war and he got

00:40:48.199 --> 00:40:51.519
married and had children. So there are people

00:40:51.519 --> 00:40:54.320
with... I need chopping off the tree, basically.

00:40:54.500 --> 00:40:56.840
So I've debated for a long time, should I put

00:40:56.840 --> 00:40:59.519
these documents on my tree? And the answer is

00:40:59.519 --> 00:41:01.300
yes, I should, because it was going to help people

00:41:01.300 --> 00:41:04.960
in the long run. So my homework then, I went

00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:09.059
to this trunk to get said documents so I could

00:41:09.059 --> 00:41:12.619
upload them. Did I get them? No, I didn't. I

00:41:12.619 --> 00:41:17.079
got distracted. I found so many books, newspaper

00:41:17.079 --> 00:41:20.079
articles, and all sorts about the history of

00:41:20.079 --> 00:41:23.019
Calvert instead. And I just got totally lost

00:41:23.019 --> 00:41:27.559
in them. There was a Calveley Parish Church Bazaar

00:41:27.559 --> 00:41:31.820
souvenir handbook from 1932. And this is a photocopy

00:41:31.820 --> 00:41:34.940
of it. It's a full document. And in it, there's

00:41:34.940 --> 00:41:38.480
an advert for my... Let me just check my facts

00:41:38.480 --> 00:41:42.000
here. My second time's great granddad. No, third

00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:45.500
time's great granddad. Thomas Caller Saville.

00:41:46.079 --> 00:41:48.300
And he's got a fish and chip shop. And there's

00:41:48.300 --> 00:41:50.059
a little, like, old -school advert for his fish

00:41:50.059 --> 00:41:53.900
and chip shop in this 1932 handbook. And it's

00:41:53.900 --> 00:41:56.300
just really cool. And there's also, like, within

00:41:56.300 --> 00:41:58.699
it, there's references to Reverend Redhead, who

00:41:58.699 --> 00:42:00.980
is not related to me, but he's appeared on the

00:42:00.980 --> 00:42:04.079
podcast from one of the listeners. But he's in

00:42:04.079 --> 00:42:06.539
there. It talks about him. And he was anointed

00:42:06.539 --> 00:42:08.639
by George the... I'm going to have to look it

00:42:08.639 --> 00:42:11.619
up. 445th, it says. So there's even, like, a

00:42:11.619 --> 00:42:14.400
little picture of him as well. It's cool. You'd

00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:16.139
love this, Helen. I'll show you it. Yeah, he

00:42:16.139 --> 00:42:19.960
was a vicar of Calverley from 1822 to 1845. It's

00:42:19.960 --> 00:42:22.420
just a really cool document. And it was exactly

00:42:22.420 --> 00:42:25.559
what I sort of wanted to find, basically. So

00:42:25.559 --> 00:42:27.800
I just got lost in all these Calverley -related

00:42:27.800 --> 00:42:32.639
things. And my mum's got a postcard book of Calverley.

00:42:33.139 --> 00:42:34.900
And it tells you, like, the history of Calverley

00:42:34.900 --> 00:42:37.440
and shows you really old pictures. And I just,

00:42:37.500 --> 00:42:40.000
again, I got lost in that. It was awesome. It's

00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:42.380
amazing. It's amazing. Do you know what? When

00:42:42.380 --> 00:42:45.079
I had just started doing family history, then

00:42:45.079 --> 00:42:48.480
I read this article and I'm pretty sure, I might

00:42:48.480 --> 00:42:50.480
be wrong enough, there's this really well -known

00:42:50.480 --> 00:42:52.820
genealogist called John Tipford. And I think

00:42:52.820 --> 00:42:54.800
it's John Tipford and apologies if it's not John

00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:57.579
Tipford. Anyway, he was in an archive and he'd

00:42:57.579 --> 00:42:59.599
been working away all day long, really, really

00:42:59.599 --> 00:43:02.840
hard. And then he walked away from his desk.

00:43:02.900 --> 00:43:05.360
And then when he walked past the desk, a little

00:43:05.360 --> 00:43:07.800
piece of paper just fluttered out of the book

00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:10.340
onto the floor. And it was the exact details

00:43:10.340 --> 00:43:13.639
that he needed. And it just felt really serendipitous.

00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:16.420
And people have talked before about the genealogy

00:43:16.420 --> 00:43:20.090
angel. And it sounds not, it's not. my kind of

00:43:20.090 --> 00:43:22.309
natural spiritual home I'm much more kind of

00:43:22.309 --> 00:43:25.590
prosaic practical person well I'm not I'm a daydreamer

00:43:25.590 --> 00:43:28.309
but I am I kind of I find it hard to let myself

00:43:28.309 --> 00:43:30.670
go and really go yes sometimes the universe is

00:43:30.670 --> 00:43:33.110
out to help you but people do talk about the

00:43:33.110 --> 00:43:36.769
genealogy angel so just a week or so ago we were

00:43:36.769 --> 00:43:39.050
bagging on about on the podcast and you were

00:43:39.050 --> 00:43:41.980
kind of in a bit of a genealogy impasse and you

00:43:41.980 --> 00:43:43.780
were kind of you'd done lots of research you'd

00:43:43.780 --> 00:43:46.219
researched lots of deaths it got a bit heavy

00:43:46.219 --> 00:43:48.179
and you weren't sure what to go next and I said

00:43:48.179 --> 00:43:50.539
Nathan try and build up your local history knowledge

00:43:50.539 --> 00:43:52.460
because your ancestors really have come from

00:43:52.460 --> 00:43:54.340
that area for so many generations and you've

00:43:54.340 --> 00:43:56.960
got so many branches of your tree there you're

00:43:56.960 --> 00:43:59.420
going to find lots of interesting texture and

00:43:59.420 --> 00:44:02.360
context about their lives and you were like yeah

00:44:02.360 --> 00:44:05.659
I might do that I might not do that and anyway

00:44:05.659 --> 00:44:07.760
you have looked in this trunk so many times over

00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:10.320
the weeks and months of the podcast You've gone

00:44:10.320 --> 00:44:12.579
in and out of the trunk and you've never, ever

00:44:12.579 --> 00:44:16.119
noticed all this local history knowledge before.

00:44:16.300 --> 00:44:18.820
And then just when you need it, you go in there

00:44:18.820 --> 00:44:20.860
and your eyes are open to it and you see this

00:44:20.860 --> 00:44:23.619
wealth of stuff, like your own personal archive,

00:44:23.659 --> 00:44:26.539
your own personal village. It's fantastic. It's

00:44:26.539 --> 00:44:29.780
brilliant. And like actually going into my genealogy

00:44:29.780 --> 00:44:32.159
journal, the question that I put a question at

00:44:32.159 --> 00:44:35.300
the end of every diary entry, my question that

00:44:35.300 --> 00:44:37.280
I put is what else is in that trunk? Because

00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:39.789
clearly I haven't looked enough. So it's quite

00:44:39.789 --> 00:44:42.710
exciting. It's really exciting. It was like a

00:44:42.710 --> 00:44:44.789
newspaper extract. It's annoying because somebody's

00:44:44.789 --> 00:44:46.710
cut this newspaper extract out. It's quite an

00:44:46.710 --> 00:44:49.610
old newspaper, but there's no dates because it's

00:44:49.610 --> 00:44:51.789
been cut out in such a way you can't tell. And

00:44:51.789 --> 00:44:53.550
it's all about St Wilfred's, which is a church

00:44:53.550 --> 00:44:55.030
in Calverley, and that's where everybody came

00:44:55.030 --> 00:44:58.050
and got married. And the first line is, Calverley

00:44:58.050 --> 00:45:00.769
will always be synonymous with murder, but...

00:45:00.769 --> 00:45:03.389
And then it goes on about the church. And that's

00:45:03.389 --> 00:45:06.139
like... It's brought childhood memories back

00:45:06.139 --> 00:45:08.099
for me because, like, we always used to talk

00:45:08.099 --> 00:45:10.360
about the headless horseman living in the woods.

00:45:10.519 --> 00:45:12.739
Wow. And I'd totally forgotten all this stuff,

00:45:12.760 --> 00:45:14.980
but just that one line in that news report was

00:45:14.980 --> 00:45:17.440
like, oh, yeah, there's history here. And so

00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:21.440
the story is Sir Walter Carverley, who obviously

00:45:21.440 --> 00:45:23.940
Carverley's named after, he went into, like,

00:45:23.960 --> 00:45:26.960
this violent rage and killed both of his sons

00:45:26.960 --> 00:45:30.360
and then for his crimes... Now, I'm going to

00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:33.449
get this wrong, so, again... I'll do a Helen.

00:45:33.869 --> 00:45:36.690
He was stoned to death, crushed, and had his

00:45:36.690 --> 00:45:39.090
head chopped off. But as children, I think we

00:45:39.090 --> 00:45:41.190
made up a lot of this. But we always used to

00:45:41.190 --> 00:45:43.090
fantasize about the headless horseman riding

00:45:43.090 --> 00:45:45.289
through Carverley Woods. He was like a local

00:45:45.289 --> 00:45:48.329
ghost. But I totally forgot on all this. You

00:45:48.329 --> 00:45:50.070
know, just all these things escape you. But we

00:45:50.070 --> 00:45:51.610
used to, like, go in the woods and be like, oh,

00:45:51.630 --> 00:45:52.909
my God, the headless horseman's going to come

00:45:52.909 --> 00:45:54.530
get us. And you'd, like, see hoof prints on the

00:45:54.530 --> 00:45:56.070
floor in the mud. And you'd be like, oh, my God,

00:45:56.090 --> 00:45:58.690
it's the horseman. I don't know if it was the

00:45:58.690 --> 00:46:01.369
horse that got beheaded or him. I mean, hopefully

00:46:01.369 --> 00:46:03.309
it was him because why would the horse get beheaded?

00:46:03.329 --> 00:46:06.050
That'd be mean. Anyway, it tied in with the story.

00:46:06.190 --> 00:46:08.570
But yeah, so it's all fascinating. But equally,

00:46:08.650 --> 00:46:11.210
there's a picture of that chap in this Calvary

00:46:11.210 --> 00:46:13.969
postcard book that I've got. So I mean, I'm quite

00:46:13.969 --> 00:46:16.170
intrigued to dig in a bit deeper about that as

00:46:16.170 --> 00:46:17.889
well. Nothing to do with me, but it's obviously

00:46:17.889 --> 00:46:21.130
local history. It is. And these are kind of folk

00:46:21.130 --> 00:46:24.809
tales and memories and local stories that you're...

00:46:25.019 --> 00:46:28.059
your family will have known for for generations

00:46:28.059 --> 00:46:31.260
and in our modern world i think sometimes our

00:46:31.260 --> 00:46:33.280
it's it's a good in a way it's good in a way

00:46:33.280 --> 00:46:35.460
but our perspective is so big that we get international

00:46:35.460 --> 00:46:38.800
news all day long just the whole time which is

00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:42.440
great but there are only little humans whether

00:46:42.440 --> 00:46:44.260
you're in the 16th century or today you've only

00:46:44.260 --> 00:46:47.639
got 24 hours in a day and we've got hours of

00:46:47.639 --> 00:46:50.679
doom scrolling we have to do and we have to keep

00:46:51.319 --> 00:46:53.300
answering hundreds of emails. We have so many

00:46:53.300 --> 00:46:55.500
things which suck up our time. And so sometimes

00:46:55.500 --> 00:46:58.440
it can leave less time for these local stories

00:46:58.440 --> 00:47:01.500
and family stories to get passed on. So I think

00:47:01.500 --> 00:47:03.320
you need to dust them off, learn about them and

00:47:03.320 --> 00:47:06.000
make sure your boys know them. Yeah. Well, I

00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:07.099
mean, that's a great one, isn't it as well? The

00:47:07.099 --> 00:47:10.139
Headless Horseman. It's an exciting story and

00:47:10.139 --> 00:47:12.639
it's actually tied to real life events, whether

00:47:12.639 --> 00:47:16.099
the ghost is real or not. But I've heard the

00:47:16.099 --> 00:47:18.539
horse chasing me down. It makes me run faster.

00:47:20.329 --> 00:47:22.909
Yes. But yeah, it's just, it's just really cool.

00:47:22.989 --> 00:47:25.590
This, the book in particular with the postcards,

00:47:25.630 --> 00:47:28.829
it's got really cool quotes in it. I'll dig some

00:47:28.829 --> 00:47:30.510
out for maybe next time, but I think I mentioned

00:47:30.510 --> 00:47:32.750
last time about the Calvary cutting and I was

00:47:32.750 --> 00:47:35.030
curious as to whether it was a train line. It

00:47:35.030 --> 00:47:37.989
was for a stage coach apparently. And it was,

00:47:37.989 --> 00:47:40.170
it's called the cutting because they literally

00:47:40.170 --> 00:47:44.309
cut it out of like proper like granite or whatever,

00:47:44.349 --> 00:47:46.780
whatever the wood, whatever the stone is. They

00:47:46.780 --> 00:47:49.000
literally cut a path all the way down to Appley

00:47:49.000 --> 00:47:51.480
Bridge. And I can't remember the quote off the

00:47:51.480 --> 00:47:53.179
top of my head, but in this book, it's got like

00:47:53.179 --> 00:47:55.360
people's complaints about it at the time, saying

00:47:55.360 --> 00:47:58.619
how it was too dangerous and the infirm wouldn't

00:47:58.619 --> 00:48:00.199
be able to travel it, et cetera, because it was

00:48:00.199 --> 00:48:03.300
too steep. And it's just really cool. And there's

00:48:03.300 --> 00:48:06.000
even a postcard for the day that they unveiled

00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:08.440
the Cavalier War Memorial, which obviously I've

00:48:08.440 --> 00:48:10.639
done a run video to, and it's got my Edward Nelson

00:48:10.639 --> 00:48:12.940
on it. But yeah, there's a picture of it, and

00:48:12.940 --> 00:48:16.960
it's like on the 28th of May, 1922. And everybody's

00:48:16.960 --> 00:48:18.920
in their Sunday best, and obviously it's like

00:48:18.920 --> 00:48:21.139
1922, so everybody is naturally quite formal.

00:48:21.199 --> 00:48:23.039
They've all got their hats and shirts on, and

00:48:23.039 --> 00:48:25.019
it's a sunny day, but they've got brollies up,

00:48:25.099 --> 00:48:27.139
and they're all crowded round in Carver Park

00:48:27.139 --> 00:48:29.699
for the unveiling of this memorial. And it's

00:48:29.699 --> 00:48:31.420
a really cool picture. I absolutely love it.

00:48:31.739 --> 00:48:35.039
That's so poignant. It's just nice that it ties

00:48:35.039 --> 00:48:36.719
into stuff that I've been researching. It's great.

00:48:38.059 --> 00:48:40.460
You know, in past weeks, sometimes you said you

00:48:40.460 --> 00:48:42.099
were jealous of me because I'm going off with

00:48:42.099 --> 00:48:45.659
my DNA down in art research, and I find... distant

00:48:45.659 --> 00:48:48.500
kin in far -flung lands or whatever, and you

00:48:48.500 --> 00:48:50.360
feel like, oh, why are you just based in Calvary?

00:48:50.400 --> 00:48:53.960
Well, I have now got serious genealogy envy for

00:48:53.960 --> 00:48:57.860
all of your local roots and all of those special

00:48:57.860 --> 00:49:00.840
local things you have. I'm so rootless. You're

00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:05.840
so lucky. I now feel weak and depressed and very

00:49:05.840 --> 00:49:08.219
jealous. Oh, no, no. You've got plenty to be

00:49:08.219 --> 00:49:10.659
going on. There's different adventures for us

00:49:10.659 --> 00:49:12.829
all to have. That's very true. There are different

00:49:12.829 --> 00:49:15.449
adventures for us all to have. The grass is always

00:49:15.449 --> 00:49:17.110
greener, isn't it? It's like, I want these farm

00:49:17.110 --> 00:49:18.909
book adventures, but I've got local adventures.

00:49:20.250 --> 00:49:23.389
Yeah. It's so cool, though. I'll have to show

00:49:23.389 --> 00:49:27.090
you this book. I can't wait to hear more stories

00:49:27.090 --> 00:49:30.110
from the trunk, tales from the trunk. The things

00:49:30.110 --> 00:49:32.449
that are in there, I've had a little sneak peek

00:49:32.449 --> 00:49:35.130
and I had to stop myself looking further because

00:49:35.130 --> 00:49:38.130
I've got so much Calvary stuff right now. But

00:49:38.130 --> 00:49:40.230
I found things about, like, there's my granddad's

00:49:40.230 --> 00:49:42.909
retirement speech for when he retired from work,

00:49:42.989 --> 00:49:46.289
and then there's manuals for his job, and then

00:49:46.289 --> 00:49:48.110
he'd made notes in about, like, I think he was

00:49:48.110 --> 00:49:50.329
an electrician, but he'd made notes in this book

00:49:50.329 --> 00:49:53.329
about his work and all sorts of stuff. There

00:49:53.329 --> 00:49:55.150
was even some sort of thing from the London College

00:49:55.150 --> 00:49:58.949
of Music that he passed some music exam. I have

00:49:58.949 --> 00:50:01.849
no clue what he did musically at all, so that's

00:50:01.849 --> 00:50:04.630
something for me to look at. But I literally

00:50:04.630 --> 00:50:07.190
had to stop myself because... I've been bad.

00:50:07.250 --> 00:50:08.969
I've been really bad. I've talked about this

00:50:08.969 --> 00:50:11.869
trunk for a year and there's so much stuff I've

00:50:11.869 --> 00:50:13.590
clearly just ignored and thinking that's not

00:50:13.590 --> 00:50:15.369
of interest to me. I just want these hard facts.

00:50:15.409 --> 00:50:18.389
I want to find the history of the people. And

00:50:18.389 --> 00:50:20.909
actually there's like lots of social context

00:50:20.909 --> 00:50:23.550
within it. It's great. But it's nice now that

00:50:23.550 --> 00:50:25.590
I've done my own little bits of research and

00:50:25.590 --> 00:50:27.949
I can see some of the results in, like I said,

00:50:27.989 --> 00:50:29.429
the captions for these postcards. It's like,

00:50:29.449 --> 00:50:31.449
oh, that relates to this. And I've actually found

00:50:31.449 --> 00:50:33.849
that out. And I'm slightly obsessed now with

00:50:33.849 --> 00:50:36.559
St. Wilfrid's. Equally, the ghosts as well. I'm

00:50:36.559 --> 00:50:38.179
actually going to go on a bit of a ghost thing.

00:50:38.460 --> 00:50:40.880
Last week as well on social media, I followed

00:50:40.880 --> 00:50:44.039
a local pub called the Thornhill and they put

00:50:44.039 --> 00:50:45.900
a post on about how it's actually one of the

00:50:45.900 --> 00:50:48.699
most haunted pubs in England and it put a list

00:50:48.699 --> 00:50:52.179
of their quote -unquote ghosts. Maybe I'll do

00:50:52.179 --> 00:50:54.940
a Carver paranormal journey. That sounds cool.

00:50:55.340 --> 00:50:57.760
I definitely think you should do. It's like finding

00:50:57.760 --> 00:51:00.320
out the origins of who are these people. Well,

00:51:00.340 --> 00:51:04.019
exactly. There'll be a truth in them. They will.

00:51:04.039 --> 00:51:05.460
They'll come from somewhere. Obviously, Walter

00:51:05.460 --> 00:51:07.440
Carverley is obvious because it's him. He's the

00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:10.139
Headless Horseman. But then there's an old hall

00:51:10.139 --> 00:51:11.480
in Carverley, which I've not even mentioned.

00:51:11.539 --> 00:51:13.400
It's called the Old Hall. We all know it's haunted.

00:51:13.619 --> 00:51:16.280
The White Lady lives there. I don't know anything

00:51:16.280 --> 00:51:18.760
about the White Lady. So maybe, do you know what?

00:51:18.780 --> 00:51:21.159
This really actually appeals to me. This is my

00:51:21.159 --> 00:51:23.719
sort of thing. I might have to go and find out

00:51:23.719 --> 00:51:26.820
who the White Lady is. I definitely think you

00:51:26.820 --> 00:51:30.420
should. Oh, boy. So anybody who's listening,

00:51:30.500 --> 00:51:34.510
I hope you've enjoyed. Nathan's tantalising tease

00:51:34.510 --> 00:51:38.030
of his ghost stories. And if anybody has genealogy

00:51:38.030 --> 00:51:41.449
angel moments, family history ghost stories related

00:51:41.449 --> 00:51:44.530
to either your families or the places they lived,

00:51:44.690 --> 00:51:47.449
if anyone wants to get practical and tell us

00:51:47.449 --> 00:51:49.610
the perfect genealogy solution to keeping good

00:51:49.610 --> 00:51:52.329
notes, if you have one, just drop us a line because

00:51:52.329 --> 00:51:54.829
we absolutely love hearing from you. It's always

00:51:54.829 --> 00:51:56.610
fun and inspirational. As soon as I get an email

00:51:56.610 --> 00:51:59.619
and I ping it right over to Nathan. You can email

00:51:59.619 --> 00:52:03.840
us at enquiries at family -tree .co .uk. If you

00:52:03.840 --> 00:52:05.619
do that, then we'll both get it more easily.

00:52:05.760 --> 00:52:07.619
And also, we mentioned before that we're going

00:52:07.619 --> 00:52:10.300
to set up a little place on our website where

00:52:10.300 --> 00:52:13.119
we can have podcast show notes, OK? And so if

00:52:13.119 --> 00:52:16.219
you go to family -tree .co .uk and then search

00:52:16.219 --> 00:52:18.639
for the word podcast, and then you'll find our

00:52:18.639 --> 00:52:21.280
special podcast page. And that's a really easy

00:52:21.280 --> 00:52:24.400
way to find the podcast and find any links we

00:52:24.400 --> 00:52:26.619
mention, things like that. And maybe sometimes

00:52:26.619 --> 00:52:29.360
Nathan will share pictures with his... genealogy

00:52:29.360 --> 00:52:31.980
journal. Yeah. Well, I'm quite tempted to share

00:52:31.980 --> 00:52:33.820
this picture of this war memorial just because

00:52:33.820 --> 00:52:35.440
I've been talking about it so much. That'd be

00:52:35.440 --> 00:52:37.219
quite nice to share. That'd be really lovely.

00:52:37.420 --> 00:52:39.719
Well, thanks, Nathan. It's been so fun talking

00:52:39.719 --> 00:52:41.940
to you. Yeah, thank you. It's been nice. It's

00:52:41.940 --> 00:52:44.539
been lovely. Brightened my day, this. Yes. And

00:52:44.539 --> 00:52:46.440
thanks for listening, everybody. And we'll see

00:52:46.440 --> 00:52:47.920
you next week. Happy researching.