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Hello everybody and welcome to Family Tree Talk,

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your favourite Family Tree podcast. I'm your

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co -host Nathan Ward and with me as always is...

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Helen Tovey. Hi Helen, you alright? I'm really

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well, yeah. How are you? I'm not too bad, thank

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you. I'm feeling well rested this morning so

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I'm full of beans. Yes, definitely spring is

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in the air now, isn't it? It is, the sun is out.

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Yeah. So, how's your genealogy going? not well

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not well um not it's not not going well it's

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just i haven't had the quality time with it that

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i wanted obviously you know easter and like living

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family just getting in the way of life and stuff

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getting in the way of actually doing genealogy

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so they've taken up most of my time so i haven't

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done as much as i would have liked to have done

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but i have done a bit i've literally I'm getting

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bored of myself, to be honest. I need to sort

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out these last few death days and I still need

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to sort out the story of Catherine. I didn't

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do those things which I said I was going to do.

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Instead, I went to my tree score and started

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doing that and I got a little bit lost and excited

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in that. I'm still on 9 .9, but in checking my

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tree score, it sent me back to the McKays. And

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it was lovely. I was like, oh, God, I've not

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been with these guys for a while. I've got a

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real big soft spot for them. Like, obviously,

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I like my Horatio Nelson, but the McKays as well.

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There's something about those guys. Even though

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they've got the edge of Scotland going on, which

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terrifies me, I feel very comfortable with them.

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And it was like coming home. I can't describe

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it. It was just a really lovely feeling. It's

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like, oh, Alexander, you're there again. Hello.

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I remember in one of the early podcasts, you

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talking about the McKays and how I think, did

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your granny have like a plaque or something to

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do with the McKays? Yeah. So their kind of history

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and heritage felt very much parts of your family

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still. Yeah, it was always really unknown. As

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a kid, it was like we had this bit of tartan

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with a coat of arms and like some fancy message

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on there, which I can't remember off the top

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of my head. And it was never really quantified

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to me as a child. Oh, yeah, you've got Scottish

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ancestry, but nobody ever told me anything about

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it. So I was always sort of quite, you know,

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interested and like, wow. And like me being like

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the 80s culture geek that I am, I was like, maybe

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we're related to the Highlander and stuff like

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that. It's a film, Helen. So, yeah, I always

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loved that, but it was just fun. Why did it send

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me back? There's two children called Mary and

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Maria, and they're born a year apart. And the

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tree scar thing said, are these duplicates? You

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need to check this out. So it sent me back to

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them. And as soon as I got back to them, I'm

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like, oh, it's just, it just felt really warm

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and comforting. It was a lovely feeling. But

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so my basic research has been, well, it has,

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it's been going back to basics. And like, I didn't

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have that much information on these people. I

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obviously did on the main line. But these were

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the children, sorry, these were the siblings

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of James Maxwell McKay, who I've talked about

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quite a bit. And I hadn't explored them at all.

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So I literally just went back to the censuses

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and started adding them that way again, making

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sure that they were present on two or three different

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censuses together. So they are definitely in

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the same place at the same time, which they were.

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But it was just lovely seeing all the names.

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Obviously, I've talked about this before, but

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a lot of the men. have really cool middle names.

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Obviously, James Maxwell McKay, awesome name.

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We've got Alexander Lockhart McKay and William

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Johnson McKay. And they're just all really awesome

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middle names. That's making me want to ask you

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so many questions, Nathan, about all of this.

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So first of all, are those two little girls,

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Marie and Maria, are they one or two little children?

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They are two little children. They're present

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on multiple censuses together. So I got them

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on the 1881 and the 1891 together. It was a bit

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hit and miss on the 1881 because it was quite

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messy scrawl on the entry, but you can see them

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there. I thought, okay, I need to obviously make

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sure that they are definitely there later on

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or hope that they hadn't died and they were there

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later on and they were there clear as day on

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the 1891. And that's actually really interesting,

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though, because their names are so similar. So

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they definitely got different, the same mum,

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the same mum and the same dad as well, because

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potentially has the dad married a second time.

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Just they're so similar, aren't they? Yeah, it's

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Mary, M -A -R -Y, and Maria, M -A -R -I -A. OK.

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I hadn't questioned anything until you've just

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said that, but they have children after those

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two. And they're all called Mary, so it's fine.

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Yeah, even the men. No, they've had a... It's

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Alexander and Jane. They're the parents. They're

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my third -time great -grandparents. Oh, I don't

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have Jane's death date. Naughty Nathan. And they

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have a brother born 1859. Their Mary's born 1861.

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Maria's born 1863. OK. The census puts them a

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year apart, but obviously it's that about thing.

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Yeah. So whenever it was taken, they were only

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a year apart. And then Alexander Lockhart was

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born a year after Maria. So I've got no reason

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to think that there's a different parent involved.

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It's okay, doesn't it? Yeah, I just felt like

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they were very close, how you said it, they were

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really close in age. And I was like, wait a minute,

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got really close age and a really close name.

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Yeah. Definitely. two little girls by the same

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parents i guess that's why they threw it up i'm

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behaving as bad as an ancestry algorithm now

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aren't i no it's valid though isn't it it's worth

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asking the question because i was like when i

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saw it i was like well of course they're the

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different people then it's like well are they

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and especially the hard thing with the actual

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prompt from the tree score is sometimes it'll

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send you to a part of your tree you've not been

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to for ages yeah and you're like Who is this?

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Where are they? And it's totally just out there.

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So it takes you a little bit of time to reframe.

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Yeah. So when that happens to you, so I'm such

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a pig -headed person and I find it very annoying

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to get thrown off my train of thought. So when

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there are hints, I do follow them sometimes,

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or when there are errors thrown up to me or...

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Or even if a relative asks a question about something

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I'm not working on, I will go and look at it

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and work on it. But I find it really disorientating

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and I kind of like to stick to what I'm doing.

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So what do you find when you get thrown a hint

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about something that's potentially wrong and

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it's not an area you want to look at? Do you

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just go with it or what do you feel? I have a

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minor freak out. really hard to get yourself

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back into the groove of who they are and where

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they are because you do have to refresh everything

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and the McKay's I think again that feeling of

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warmth might just because I'm comfortable with

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them even though I did have to refresh a bit

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it was like oh I know these guys I'm quite happy

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it's all good it was just enjoyable to see their

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names appearing again because obviously when

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you've got silly not silly really cool middle

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names it's easier to find them because you know

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that there's not going to be that many Stock

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carts or lock carts or whatever the middle name

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is. So that was really cool. But the flip side

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of that is the next hint that I went to, which

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have not quite resolved. It just goes, you haven't

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got any citations or documentation, et cetera,

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for Marianne Edwards. And I'm like, who is Marianne

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Edwards? I haven't a clue who she is. And then

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I click on a name and it's like, oh, yeah, she's

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married to Richard Rowden. Who the hell is that?

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If it's somebody I've not spent a long time with,

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it literally is starting again. As it is, digging

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a bit deeper, Mary Ann Edwards is actually James

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Maxwell McKay's mother -in -law. So it's still

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on that branch, but it's obviously a side shoot,

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which I've got no clue about. Yeah. What I love

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about all those names, those middle names you

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mentioned, is you feel as though they're bound

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to include... lots of clues about other family

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names. They're not going to have chosen them

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at random, are they? They're not. And, like,

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I hadn't actually been that involved or bothered

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about that side of it previously. Obviously,

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now I'm a little bit more involved in my family

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history. So as soon as they came up, I'm like,

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I'm going to have to research these middle names

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because they're awesome. I know that Johnson

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is the maiden name of their mother, so that's

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one of them ticked off. So I need to find out

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where Maxwell... lockhart and stockhart come

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from they're just awesome aren't they it's cool

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i can imagine it in some sort of uh amazon prime

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scotland highlander type tv show it'd be amazing

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yeah the lockhart yeah yes yeah there's some

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digging potential to do there isn't there um

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lots yeah serious rabbit hole but it's it'll

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be a fun one because i do love this line so i'm

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keen to find out more and also me just being

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grumpy thing i don't like I'm being taken off

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at unexpected tangents of course I do like that

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as well and there'll be at some point you'll

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be doing your research you'll have forgotten

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that potentially that you're trying to track

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down where these middle names originated from

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like why do they get woven in as middle names

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in your tree and then you'll come across an ancestor

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with that surname and you'll be like yes yeah

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it's so exciting it's different though isn't

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it like going off on a tangent because you've

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found something interesting is always great and

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you're quite happy to be to follow that path

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but when the ancestry hint throws up a name that

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you have no clue frame of reference have any

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idea where it is on your tree it feels tiring

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almost because it's it's the work of right i

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need to refresh where i am and go back and dig

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around and if it's a name i don't recognize then

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it clearly probably isn't on my actual direct

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descendants do you know you talking about hints

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has just reminded me we've had some fantastic

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podcast emails and one of them has got a hint

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for you about hints shall i go over to our podcast

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um correspondence yeah let's do it a hint hint

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a hint about hints yes i like it it's good yeah

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so on friday evening so just a little while ago

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we had a wonderful email from podcast listener

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rosemary and she says a hint for nathan is um

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to ignore the hints yeah She says, just ignore

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them. If you don't want to look at them, just

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ignore them. I don't like that. I like the hints.

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Sorry, Rosemary. And then she does have another

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extremely good hint. And she says, another hint

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for Nathan, because Rosemary believes that you're

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a visual person, which I think you are, aren't

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you? I am. I certainly am. Yeah. And she says

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to do your research log or make your notes in

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a mind map form because then it looks less like

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a list of chores and you've still got all of

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everything recorded down that you need to record.

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I do do that a little bit, but my mind map just

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looks like a mess. I need to take Jude's advice.

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Jude said to get it on some wallpaper, didn't

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she, and make a massive mind map. Mm -hmm. then

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it might be more organised. But I'm doing it

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on a tiny piece of paper and trying to fit as

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much information as I can on this small piece

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of paper. So I do agree, yeah, a mind map's probably

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a good idea. When I was at school, I had a brilliant

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history teacher and she was called Mrs Webb and

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she was all about mind maps, but she called them

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spider plans. And so obviously we would just

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be doing them on a piece of paper because we

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didn't even have a computer to work on, so that

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wasn't even... That wasn't even part of the horizon.

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Yeah. And so with our mind maps, she made us

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be really methodical about them. So we would

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put the main question that we were trying to

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work out about Louis XIV or whoever we were learning

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about at school. We put that main question in

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the middle of our piece of paper. And then she

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would encourage us immediately before we start

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researching anything or reading anything to.

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do some sub questions from it so with her her

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big topics where you need to find out about the

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political scene the economic scene the social

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scene and the religious scene because those are

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four main drivers which um are kind of like the

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wheels of history and why things change and so

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you would write down literally let's see have

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your central central body of the spider with

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the question and then you'd have your four main

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topics and then from there everything you found

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to do with politics you'd add on to the little

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spider bubble And blah, blah, blah, going around.

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So I think that's a good way of, rather than

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the mind map just being an explosion onto your

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page, it has a bit of order immediately, doesn't

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it? And another thing she encouraged us to do

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was once you've done your mind map, then redo

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your mind map. So you've done your mind map,

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which is like a work in progress, and before

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you write out your essay or while you're gathering

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your thoughts, redo your mind map so it's coherent.

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Do a tidy version, yeah. I'm not prone to doing

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the tidy version. I think in general, I do a

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lot of reflecting on myself and life. I think

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I'm quite, obviously, meticulous is coming out

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a little bit with my family tree research, but

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in general, my mind's quite chaotic. So when

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I do my notes, it is just chaos splurged onto

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the page. It might be all useful and helpful,

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but it's just, it is, that's how. I think I'm

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creatively chaotic, but actually there's an analytical,

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organised side of me, so I'm constantly in battle

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with myself. Some deep insight into myself there.

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I was talking to people from Devon Family History

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Society the other evening, and we were talking

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about what it feels like doing family history,

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how organised or disorganised we feel. And there

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is a bit of a sense of overwhelm, isn't it? Because

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there's lots of things we're trying to accomplish

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with our family history. So on the one hand,

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just what you said, there's always that balance

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where we're really excited about it, but then

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there's so many things to be excited about. We're

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like, which one should we do now? Have we organised

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it up? Have we written it up? We set ourselves

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loads of challenges to try and do a good job

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with it. On balance, most people felt on the

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verge of chaos, I think. But then we decided

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that actually we weren't as chaotic as we thought

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we were, because we were actually doing loads

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of cool things. accomplishing loads of cool things

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you know finishing projects people were writing

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blogs organizing projects doing their own family

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history helping other people with their family

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history learning about new things like ai that's

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incredible that's so many achievements isn't

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it yeah no it's it's fantastic isn't it it's

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something to be excited about and it's a nice

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kind of chaos like the overwhelm take you too

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much because it's supposed to be fun it's supposed

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to be enjoyable like and i i know i've moaned

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in the last couple of weeks about the sort of

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maintenance aspect that i've been doing recently

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i've been very methodical and slow and finding

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all these death dates out that isn't exciting

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it does feel like maintenance but on the whole

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like like when i said about looking at the mckay's

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there was this warmth a little bit of giddiness

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these are my people and i like that feeling it's

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a lovely feeling definitely i think that's the

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whole point of doing it really isn't it it is

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yeah i actually want to go out and buy some tartan

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now i actually yes you have to make sure you

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get the right one though won't you Yeah, definitely.

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I want to know where that shield's gone, actually.

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Someone's got it. Yeah. I'll have to quiz around.

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Yeah, you will do. And you're going to have to

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just either take a photograph of it when you

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find it in whichever relative's house or just

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go, I really, I've always loved that shield.

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Drop heavy hints and maybe it might come your

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way. Just don't feel complete without it. Yes,

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yes. But lay it on thick and see if they give

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it to me. Yes. So we've had another email and

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somebody has listened. This is Christopher. He's

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listened to our podcast all the way back from

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the beginning and he's enjoyed it. He said it's

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like meeting up with a couple of friends in a

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coffee shop. So that's so nice. That's lovely.

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He's a very brave man. Yes, he's a brave and

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kind man. Yes. And he says that Nathan, you've

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inspired him to go back to his original research

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of 15 years ago and check all his very early

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data. Then generation by generation, he's building

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his tree on Ancestry and he's doing this manually

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rather than uploading a GIGCOM. And he's hoping

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that the new Ancestry tree will hopefully be

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very useful as he's just received his autosomal

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DNA test results. And one match has come out

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as his closest relation. So he's looking forward

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to diving into that as well. So it's interesting

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all these different paths that he's been doing

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from history for so many years and starting to

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go back from the beginning, building your tree

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anew. That's something I started in. 2020 yeah

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i haven't finished it yet i made a start but

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it's definitely i i'd agree with christopher

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that it felt like a really enjoyable project

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to do and i had such fun revisiting everything

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and yeah that's really nice to hear as well um

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it's probably good to like do a refresh isn't

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it if you've got such a lot of research starting

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again and then ancestry is great you're going

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to end up finding extra things that You might

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not have made connections before, but you've

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got the information and suddenly it presents

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itself on Ancestry for you, hopefully. That's

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lovely to hear. It's really lovely, isn't it?

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Yeah. And even just looking at the documents

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that you already had, that's just fun, looking

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at them again and going, I can't believe I didn't

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notice that before. I had lots of occasions of

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that. I wonder if Christopher did too. Yeah,

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you're making me feel a bit sweaty now. I just

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remember my mum telling me about... a bunch of

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documents that um i got excited about that i

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haven't looked at yes i need to go do that and

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photograph that i'm i'm talking about like there's

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an advert for my great great granddad's fish

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and chip shop i need to photograph that and get

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it on ancestry because that's a nice little bit

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of history isn't it like yeah i didn't even know

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about until a couple of weeks ago yes every time

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you eat fish and chips with your kids you'll

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say did you know our ancestor blah blah had a

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fish and chip shop just keep weaving the family

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history in to a little Everyday occurrences.

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Little nuggets that get them interested. Yeah.

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Yeah. Nice. What have you been up to then? Well,

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breaking news. I did what I said I was going

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to do. Yeah. Shocker. I know. I've started a

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genealogy journal. Oh, lovely. Yeah. Oh, I'm

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a bad lad. I was going to do this too. Oh, I'm

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such a bad man. Well, you said you were going

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to go and get a new notebook and I said I already

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had one. It turned out I didn't have one. I hadn't

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already started and I wanted a brand new notebook.

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So right now I've got a brand new notebook. I've

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written at the front, my genealogy journal. I've

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written the date I started it and I've said why

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I want to do it. So I want to keep a diary of

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my genealogy related things each week. So it's

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not like a log, but it's just a kind of rough

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note to myself. So at the end of the year, so

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a year from now, I can look back and go, oh,

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yes, I was doing this. I was doing that. So have

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it all in one place. And it's not as dry as looking

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through like a master research log, which is

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very facty. And it's not as waffly as looking

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through other random notes attached to all different

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random ancestors. I've only done one entry so

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far because I have to do one entry a week. Yeah.

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So I've done my entry for the first week. And

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then I also realized what was going to happen.

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So my week was up a few days ago. I realised

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that as I did subsequent research, if I tried

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to reflect what I did in the last week, I'm never

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going to remember. So then I'm allowed to do

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a mind map. So I have my entry for the week,

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which is like me writing blah, blah, blah, blah,

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blah, blah, blah, blah. And then the start of

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each week, I start a new mind map. And on there,

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I just write a little note to myself what I've

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been doing. So then when I come and do my summary

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all in one splurge at the end of the week, I've

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got my mind map to go, oh, yeah, I was doing

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this. Oh, yeah, I was doing that. It's good,

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isn't it? Sounds awesome. I'm very proud of you.

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And it's on paper with a pen. I know I'm in dinosaur

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mode today. I'm just loving the lack of tech.

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You're not in dinosaur mode. It's brilliant.

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I feel really embarrassed. I was championing

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this idea last week, wasn't I? I was so excited

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about it. I can do this. It's attainable. I totally

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forgot. But the difference with me and you, Nathan,

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is once you start it, you will consistently keep

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it up, whereas... me unless i keep this genealogy

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journal on my desk i'll forget i did it i'll

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find it in three months time ago oh yeah i was

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going to do that that was a lovely idea so i

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have to keep it in sight to remind me that it's

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a little project that i'm deeply in love with

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which i am yeah i'll keep you in line okay thanks

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yeah well it's it probably actually works out

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well for us because obviously if we fill that

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in weekly it's going to help us with like what

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we're talking about on the podcast as well so

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we can like Check in with each other on it, on

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the podcast. Can I tell you the cool things which

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have happened to me recently then? Please do,

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because I need to distract myself of how bad

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I am. So one, you were talking about getting

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your kids, or I was talking about getting your

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kids into family history, like ways to tempt

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them. Anyway, the other day, completely out of

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the blue, one of my daughters emailed me and

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she said whether I could upload a picture of

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my mum when my mum was a little kid. Could I

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share it with her? on Facebook Messenger or whatever.

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And because I've digitized all my photos, ping,

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I could just wrap it over to her really quickly.

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So because I felt like she was a captive audience,

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she was in the kind of the, what's the word?

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Like the really cute space of family history

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where you just want to share old photos. I was

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like, I don't want to waste this opportunity.

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So then I splurged loads of other family history

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photos over to her of my mum as a little kid.

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Anyway, she's going to make a display and put

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them in her house. So that's lovely. Like print

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them out. Make a nice black and white display.

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She's very arty like you, so I'm sure it'll look

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great. A friend of mine got in touch because,

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this is sad, but one of her friends had died

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and needed to track down her mum's grave. And

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her mum had died when she was a child back in

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the 1940s. So I was busy online just trying to

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track down where the grave was. And I found the

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burial register, but I couldn't actually find

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the grave. And I was like... reach out to the

00:22:52.259 --> 00:22:54.420
local Family History Society, which for my friend

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is Cambridgeshire Family History Society. Anyway,

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she emailed them that night and the next day

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they got back to her with the burial plot so

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that she could then go and take her friend's

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ashes to lay them on her, scatter them on her

00:23:09.140 --> 00:23:12.500
mum's grave. Isn't that amazing? Shout out to

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the Family History Society though. Brilliant,

00:23:14.319 --> 00:23:17.410
yeah. Really kind and really quick. Nice sense

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of community there. That's lovely. Yeah. And

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I said, just get in touch and I'm sure they can

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help. I was, you know, they're all volunteers

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and to turn that around that quickly. Yeah, that's

00:23:27.690 --> 00:23:30.269
really good. Even you volunteering your time

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as well. It's nice to be able to do that for

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a friend, isn't it? It's lovely. Well, but also

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whenever I do volunteer my time, like when somebody

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does ask me something, then I do always love

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doing it. I find it really fun. And to be honest.

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Sometimes I know the answers off the top of my

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head and sometimes I don't. And so it is one

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of those things like it's a classic volunteer.

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The benefit of volunteering is you always learn

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something that you have the benefit of going

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on a little learning journey because you don't

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want to let somebody else down. You're like,

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I've got to find the answer to this workout.

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You know what, how they can accomplish what they

00:24:04.789 --> 00:24:07.390
need to accomplish. So it's always you always

00:24:07.390 --> 00:24:11.490
benefit. You do. So it's not so it's not I'm

00:24:11.490 --> 00:24:13.509
not saying that volunteers aren't kind, but that's.

00:24:13.869 --> 00:24:17.690
an incentive to volunteer that you yeah it can

00:24:17.690 --> 00:24:20.549
like just reaffirm your research knowledge as

00:24:20.549 --> 00:24:22.130
well for yourself like oh i can do this i've

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remembered this skill and then you can apply

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it to other things later on yes all it all tucks

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away doesn't it and all adds up in the big picture

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and then what else happened um oh on my own actual

00:24:32.970 --> 00:24:37.730
family history yeah then i i know i know i had

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two big learning points um so i'm busy doing

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my out down tree. I'm in Pennsylvania with the

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Lintons and the Olivers and so these are my great

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-grannies, aunties, children and grandchildren

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and I kept finding my great -grannies, aunties,

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grandson, Edward. Well, I didn't find him as

00:25:04.259 --> 00:25:06.779
a child with the family. Once I got the hang

00:25:06.779 --> 00:25:09.339
of him, then I managed to piece together his

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life. So it turned out that he, I found him in

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1930 in the Penn State School, Pennhurst State

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School. And I was like, oh, he must be a teacher.

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And I was looking across to find out what sort

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of teacher he was. And in the occupation column,

00:25:24.920 --> 00:25:27.799
it just said none. And then nobody in the occupation

00:25:27.799 --> 00:25:30.670
column had. an occupation they were all none

00:25:30.670 --> 00:25:32.109
and I was like wait a minute so they're all in

00:25:32.109 --> 00:25:33.809
a school and nobody's got an occupation I was

00:25:33.809 --> 00:25:37.450
like but he's he was 30 by then I was like so

00:25:37.450 --> 00:25:39.430
how is he so old and he's in a school and he

00:25:39.430 --> 00:25:42.410
hasn't got what's happening here so I had to

00:25:42.410 --> 00:25:44.430
google Pennhurst State School and there was actually

00:25:44.430 --> 00:25:50.250
um an asylum for people who had like broad mental

00:25:50.250 --> 00:25:53.109
health issues so the terms of the day which we

00:25:53.109 --> 00:25:54.789
would find really offensive today but they would

00:25:54.789 --> 00:25:57.920
call them feeble -minded Even people who had

00:25:57.920 --> 00:26:02.160
epilepsy, which we wouldn't put at all in that

00:26:02.160 --> 00:26:08.500
category nowadays, it was a big move to basically

00:26:08.500 --> 00:26:10.460
institutionalise people, stop them having care

00:26:10.460 --> 00:26:13.579
at home and institutionalise them. So the Pennhurst

00:26:13.579 --> 00:26:16.519
State School got set up in the early 1900s and

00:26:16.519 --> 00:26:21.660
with a really promising kind of brief. to start

00:26:21.660 --> 00:26:24.160
with but as with so many of these institutions

00:26:24.160 --> 00:26:27.420
it all deteriorated over time and although it

00:26:27.420 --> 00:26:29.640
said that the people had no occupation they were

00:26:29.640 --> 00:26:33.480
actually effectively almost used as it was a

00:26:33.480 --> 00:26:35.980
emotive phrase but like slave labor to build

00:26:35.980 --> 00:26:39.960
the asylum and to build additional wings to do

00:26:39.960 --> 00:26:42.640
to do farming on the asylum which i guess could

00:26:42.640 --> 00:26:44.980
be nice doing gardening and growing veg and things

00:26:44.980 --> 00:26:49.380
but they was a pretty tough existence so i found

00:26:49.380 --> 00:26:53.779
him there so that was That was a massive learning

00:26:53.779 --> 00:26:57.579
journey for me. Yeah. Sounds it. Yeah. And it

00:26:57.579 --> 00:27:02.119
makes you wonder how much. So he is my great

00:27:02.119 --> 00:27:07.200
granny's auntie's grandson. Then I'm thinking,

00:27:07.299 --> 00:27:10.539
so does my, so the direct ancestor to this is

00:27:10.539 --> 00:27:14.140
my great granny's granny. And so did my great

00:27:14.140 --> 00:27:17.339
granny's granny get letters back to Ireland about.

00:27:17.790 --> 00:27:19.869
him was she still alive and you need to remember

00:27:19.869 --> 00:27:21.250
that I do know whether she is alive or not I

00:27:21.250 --> 00:27:23.089
can't remember off the top of my head I think

00:27:23.089 --> 00:27:24.930
she probably wouldn't have been alive but she

00:27:24.930 --> 00:27:26.849
might have been alive when he was born yeah but

00:27:26.849 --> 00:27:28.029
she wouldn't have known what happened to him

00:27:28.029 --> 00:27:30.769
later in his life because as a I'm a granny and

00:27:30.769 --> 00:27:33.569
you worry about everyone if anyone who's a descendant

00:27:33.569 --> 00:27:35.450
they get put on the worry list and you just worry

00:27:35.450 --> 00:27:40.130
about them yeah so if I had been her I'd be worrying

00:27:40.130 --> 00:27:42.670
about him that he was all right in his in his

00:27:42.670 --> 00:27:45.269
institution and everything so that's one learning

00:27:45.269 --> 00:27:48.589
journey that I just had no idea. That was the

00:27:48.589 --> 00:27:52.509
first time I'd come across somebody in kind of

00:27:52.509 --> 00:27:56.150
an asylum situation. Then I had lots of firsts

00:27:56.150 --> 00:27:58.390
actually this week. Then I also found my first

00:27:58.390 --> 00:28:03.710
criminal. Oh, wow. Yes, so that's my granny's

00:28:03.710 --> 00:28:09.589
uncle. What a family. It's all going on. What

00:28:09.589 --> 00:28:13.569
sort of criminal was it then? Yes, so he... was

00:28:13.569 --> 00:28:16.809
a criminal who got caught stealing a ton of coal.

00:28:17.130 --> 00:28:20.410
A ton? I know. I mean, we get logs delivered

00:28:20.410 --> 00:28:22.890
to our house, not coal, but a ton of coal is

00:28:22.890 --> 00:28:27.509
big. It's a big pile and it takes, hmm, I don't

00:28:27.509 --> 00:28:29.410
know, probably half an hour to stack away. It's

00:28:29.410 --> 00:28:32.569
not a quick job. No. Yeah. I mean, what, did

00:28:32.569 --> 00:28:34.730
he do one piece at a time in his pocket? I don't

00:28:34.730 --> 00:28:37.349
know. I need to find out further details. So

00:28:37.349 --> 00:28:40.650
that's my first criminal. Well, the first criminal

00:28:40.650 --> 00:28:46.089
that I found. And then my other first was so

00:28:46.089 --> 00:28:48.609
back to this Edward guy who was in the asylum.

00:28:48.990 --> 00:28:51.670
I kept getting instances. Originally, I kept

00:28:51.670 --> 00:28:54.430
getting instances of him turning up in finding

00:28:54.430 --> 00:28:56.930
a draft card for him on Ancestry. And I kept

00:28:56.930 --> 00:28:59.349
thinking, oh, interesting. He must have served

00:28:59.349 --> 00:29:02.369
in the military, must have served in the Second

00:29:02.369 --> 00:29:04.930
World War or whatever, judging by his age. But

00:29:04.930 --> 00:29:06.269
I kept dismissing that because I was like, I'm

00:29:06.269 --> 00:29:07.490
not on with that at the moment. I don't need

00:29:07.490 --> 00:29:09.269
to go down those side shoots. I'm just sticking

00:29:09.269 --> 00:29:12.579
with trying to. get the people's births, build

00:29:12.579 --> 00:29:14.460
them forward, hopefully get a marriage, hopefully

00:29:14.460 --> 00:29:16.200
get children, keep building my tree forward.

00:29:16.259 --> 00:29:19.240
That's my goal. Sometimes building them forward,

00:29:19.299 --> 00:29:21.880
finding that they died without any children.

00:29:23.140 --> 00:29:25.940
That's the end of my line as far as the building

00:29:25.940 --> 00:29:29.299
the tree forwards and down to find the descendants,

00:29:29.380 --> 00:29:31.859
which your DNA matches today. Just recapping

00:29:31.859 --> 00:29:33.339
in case anyone hasn't heard that waffle before.

00:29:34.299 --> 00:29:37.019
So I kept ignoring this draft card. But then

00:29:37.019 --> 00:29:39.000
because once I'd pieced together all this other

00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:41.640
stuff about him in the asylum. So this is like

00:29:41.640 --> 00:29:43.279
it feels like a bit of a rabbit hole, but it

00:29:43.279 --> 00:29:45.319
was really important to understand him. So once

00:29:45.319 --> 00:29:48.200
I'd understood this and that he stayed in the

00:29:48.200 --> 00:29:50.160
asylum his whole life, he wasn't married. He

00:29:50.160 --> 00:29:51.740
didn't have children, inevitably because of the

00:29:51.740 --> 00:29:56.809
way he was. His life was dictated. um anyway

00:29:56.809 --> 00:29:58.410
so then i looked at the draft card because i

00:29:58.410 --> 00:30:00.190
was like oh this is confusing though so how was

00:30:00.190 --> 00:30:01.769
he served in the military maybe they were so

00:30:01.769 --> 00:30:03.390
desperate for people they released them from

00:30:03.390 --> 00:30:06.410
the asylum this is me just going to surmise mode

00:30:06.410 --> 00:30:09.650
which is one of my specialities then um so i

00:30:09.650 --> 00:30:11.829
looked at this draft card and on there it said

00:30:11.829 --> 00:30:14.910
it gave the definition to scrawl had a very kind

00:30:14.910 --> 00:30:17.329
of formal little type draft card but scrawled

00:30:17.329 --> 00:30:19.789
across it in handwriting written the word feeble

00:30:19.789 --> 00:30:24.009
-minded so that's harsh to read for me it was

00:30:24.009 --> 00:30:26.380
also useful because although i'd got the broad

00:30:26.380 --> 00:30:29.420
picture of what the asylum was set up for. I

00:30:29.420 --> 00:30:31.700
didn't know his precise reason why he was in

00:30:31.700 --> 00:30:33.180
there. He could have been in there for epilepsy.

00:30:33.640 --> 00:30:35.940
So having it on the draft card, that was interesting.

00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:41.400
That was his reason for being incarcerated. And

00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:43.420
then it also made me realise how ignorant I was

00:30:43.420 --> 00:30:45.519
because I was looking at these military records

00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:49.359
from the point of view of a UK perspective. So

00:30:49.359 --> 00:30:51.059
I think this is why I make good in the muddle

00:30:51.059 --> 00:30:53.039
because I'm used to us having a volunteer army

00:30:53.039 --> 00:30:56.440
on the whole. We only have a conscription occasionally

00:30:56.440 --> 00:30:59.380
when there's those major wars on national service,

00:30:59.480 --> 00:31:02.480
that sort of idea. So all the military records

00:31:02.480 --> 00:31:05.599
we have for people who served. So when you find

00:31:05.599 --> 00:31:08.119
your ancestor popping up with a military record,

00:31:08.180 --> 00:31:11.720
they've served. Whereas in America, they've got

00:31:11.720 --> 00:31:13.799
these draft cards where they're basically drafting

00:31:13.799 --> 00:31:16.500
people up to serve. So they draft everybody.

00:31:16.900 --> 00:31:19.480
And some people are draft dodgers. mentioning

00:31:19.480 --> 00:31:22.799
no names but some people are and then um this

00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:25.039
guy wasn't a draft dodger but obviously he wasn't

00:31:25.039 --> 00:31:28.299
fit to serve so when he got his draft card when

00:31:28.299 --> 00:31:32.299
he was 18 it just got returned to the um military

00:31:32.299 --> 00:31:35.480
saying that he was feeble -minded so clearly

00:31:35.480 --> 00:31:37.759
you wouldn't have been suitable for serving in

00:31:37.759 --> 00:31:39.579
the military so that made me realize how ignorant

00:31:39.579 --> 00:31:42.160
i was which was back to another point which i'm

00:31:42.160 --> 00:31:43.779
always banging on about to other people to do

00:31:43.779 --> 00:31:46.279
and clearly i didn't do myself When you get faced

00:31:46.279 --> 00:31:48.099
with a record you don't know, don't just try

00:31:48.099 --> 00:31:50.279
and search the thing and then see what records

00:31:50.279 --> 00:31:54.660
you get. Remember to read about the record. It's

00:31:54.660 --> 00:31:56.619
very different as well when it's a different

00:31:56.619 --> 00:31:59.400
country and a different culture and you've got

00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:01.700
different ways of life. Obviously, you don't

00:32:01.700 --> 00:32:03.160
think America is that different to England, but

00:32:03.160 --> 00:32:05.920
just that conscription thing, it's instantly

00:32:05.920 --> 00:32:09.819
changing, isn't it? It's how it looks. That's

00:32:09.819 --> 00:32:11.799
fascinating. I'm quite jealous of all of that.

00:32:11.940 --> 00:32:14.720
It's all really cool and interesting to know

00:32:14.720 --> 00:32:18.900
about. It is really fun, isn't it? Yeah. So apologies

00:32:18.900 --> 00:32:21.119
to anyone if everything I said is obvious. But

00:32:21.119 --> 00:32:24.200
for me, it was really exciting. These just new

00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:27.279
discoveries of things. Yeah. New discoveries.

00:32:27.539 --> 00:32:30.640
Yeah. No, that's really cool. I want to go on

00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:32.359
one of these adventures. I'm sick of finding

00:32:32.359 --> 00:32:34.859
people's death dates. There's no adventures in

00:32:34.859 --> 00:32:38.289
those. Do you know what you could do then, Nathan?

00:32:38.410 --> 00:32:40.829
And you'll have a really good justification for

00:32:40.829 --> 00:32:43.470
doing it. So remind me again, you found all of

00:32:43.470 --> 00:32:44.890
your two times great grandparents and all of

00:32:44.890 --> 00:32:47.630
your three times great grandparents? Yes, that's

00:32:47.630 --> 00:32:49.730
correct. Perfect. So you're in the same position

00:32:49.730 --> 00:32:54.470
as me. So what I'm doing is I've got my three

00:32:54.470 --> 00:32:57.890
times great grandparents and rather than just

00:32:57.890 --> 00:32:59.869
trying to build backwards, and I have got some

00:32:59.869 --> 00:33:03.700
of the preceding generations. Since the beginning

00:33:03.700 --> 00:33:05.440
of the year, I've been actually concentrating,

00:33:05.460 --> 00:33:07.720
not just doing the occasional little dabble.

00:33:07.819 --> 00:33:11.039
I've been concentrating on work, starting with

00:33:11.039 --> 00:33:14.160
all of my three times great grandparents, finding

00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:16.700
all of their descendants, so all of their children,

00:33:16.859 --> 00:33:19.079
then finding all of their children's marriages,

00:33:19.279 --> 00:33:22.160
all of their children's children, all of their

00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:25.079
children's children's marriages, building the

00:33:25.079 --> 00:33:27.079
tree forward and down. And of course, it does

00:33:27.079 --> 00:33:30.319
get exponentially bigger because some of these

00:33:30.319 --> 00:33:34.789
people die young. Some of the people die and

00:33:34.789 --> 00:33:37.650
only have a couple of children. Some of the people

00:33:37.650 --> 00:33:39.450
have 12 children. So you never know what you're

00:33:39.450 --> 00:33:43.509
going to get. Partly because lots of my ancestors

00:33:43.509 --> 00:33:46.809
were in Ireland and Scotland, but I think it

00:33:46.809 --> 00:33:50.269
will be the same in England as well. And partly

00:33:50.269 --> 00:33:52.950
because I find lots of them in America, lots

00:33:52.950 --> 00:33:55.109
of these descendants in America or going to America.

00:33:55.210 --> 00:33:59.140
Yeah? Yeah. And Canada as well. not not very

00:33:59.140 --> 00:34:00.960
many to australia but american and canada are

00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:04.299
really popular for my lot you potentially will

00:34:04.299 --> 00:34:08.539
find when you do your down and out research yeah

00:34:08.539 --> 00:34:10.619
you're going to find that you are get take you

00:34:10.619 --> 00:34:13.380
do get taken overseas to um you know the major

00:34:13.380 --> 00:34:16.440
countries that um british britain's had connections

00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:20.400
with over time english -speaking countries australia

00:34:20.400 --> 00:34:24.519
new zealand canada america Yeah. I mean, everything

00:34:24.519 --> 00:34:26.559
you've just said just sounds overwhelming, though.

00:34:26.579 --> 00:34:30.179
That's a lot of stuff, isn't it? But you're right.

00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:32.800
And I know I think I mentioned it before. I've

00:34:32.800 --> 00:34:35.619
got somebody on my father's side and I can't

00:34:35.619 --> 00:34:37.860
remember exactly where and they emigrated to

00:34:37.860 --> 00:34:40.320
Canada. And I was going to dive into that at

00:34:40.320 --> 00:34:43.400
some point. But that. That is part of the down

00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:45.280
and out scenario, isn't it? So maybe I could

00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:48.480
nip into that one as a starting point, because

00:34:48.480 --> 00:34:50.599
it does seem like a lot like there's a lot of

00:34:50.599 --> 00:34:53.210
people on your tree. And like you say, you can

00:34:53.210 --> 00:34:55.610
have up to 12 children. It does seem terrifying.

00:34:56.110 --> 00:34:59.909
Well, not even up to, sometimes more. Oh, boy.

00:35:00.909 --> 00:35:04.070
Yeah. And one kind of little bit I forgot is

00:35:04.070 --> 00:35:07.210
partly I feel as though I'm getting a lot of

00:35:07.210 --> 00:35:10.829
people who have emigrated because of where my

00:35:10.829 --> 00:35:13.889
ancestors lived in the British Isles. But partly

00:35:13.889 --> 00:35:16.670
because DNA testing is so popular in America,

00:35:16.769 --> 00:35:20.170
that's why you, after your DNA matches, lots

00:35:20.170 --> 00:35:23.389
of them are going to leave back. There's a big

00:35:23.389 --> 00:35:25.789
take -up there, so you're going to have a disproportionate

00:35:25.789 --> 00:35:29.869
number of American DNA matches, which I think

00:35:29.869 --> 00:35:33.110
is just interesting the way you do. It is interesting.

00:35:33.269 --> 00:35:35.590
I was having a random muse the other day, and

00:35:35.590 --> 00:35:38.050
this actually just might sound like nonsense,

00:35:38.389 --> 00:35:42.590
but I always thought I was probably very French.

00:35:43.389 --> 00:35:46.110
And obviously, France don't do the DNA testing,

00:35:46.250 --> 00:35:50.449
do they? So that's like a massive potential missing

00:35:50.449 --> 00:35:55.380
part of... Of my history. Am I talking nonsense?

00:35:56.260 --> 00:35:58.460
I've got no evidence of anyone moving to France

00:35:58.460 --> 00:36:00.659
or moving from France, but obviously I'd have

00:36:00.659 --> 00:36:04.460
to get further, further back. So you're not talking

00:36:04.460 --> 00:36:08.500
nonsense. So you may or may not be right because

00:36:08.500 --> 00:36:13.139
genealogy hunches and kind of allying ourselves

00:36:13.139 --> 00:36:16.219
to certain identities and cultural identities.

00:36:16.420 --> 00:36:19.880
I know where I've got this from, actually. Ward

00:36:19.880 --> 00:36:23.900
is meant to be like a French word for like guard

00:36:23.900 --> 00:36:27.059
or something like that. That's meant to be the

00:36:27.059 --> 00:36:29.800
origin of the name. So I think as a kid, I've

00:36:29.800 --> 00:36:31.940
run with that and been like, oh yeah, I'm a little

00:36:31.940 --> 00:36:36.719
bit French. I mean, I'm also a Viking and look

00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:39.079
at where that took me. So I'll just be quiet.

00:36:39.940 --> 00:36:43.039
You might find that you have got French dishes.

00:36:43.039 --> 00:36:46.480
It could be from the Normans coming over, couldn't

00:36:46.480 --> 00:36:48.610
it? Yeah. Well, that's kind of what I thought.

00:36:48.670 --> 00:36:52.449
It's kind of logical, isn't it? Mm -hmm. Yeah.

00:36:52.829 --> 00:36:54.510
But equally, it's still kind of logical that

00:36:54.510 --> 00:36:56.630
I could have been a Viking, but I'm not. And

00:36:56.630 --> 00:37:01.670
I'm not bitter about it at all. No. No. Or maybe

00:37:01.670 --> 00:37:04.449
they came over later on, like centuries later.

00:37:05.469 --> 00:37:08.269
Yeah. Because another thing, as well as loving

00:37:08.269 --> 00:37:10.710
to be a Viking, lots of people want to have Huguenot

00:37:10.710 --> 00:37:12.590
connections because it has a certain kind of

00:37:12.590 --> 00:37:17.119
glamour and cachet. Right. Okay. Do you know

00:37:17.119 --> 00:37:19.079
what? I'm quite proud to be from Yorkshire. I'll

00:37:19.079 --> 00:37:24.900
take that. Yeah. Yeah. And also, you've come

00:37:24.900 --> 00:37:27.699
from Yorkshire as far as you've traced so far,

00:37:27.820 --> 00:37:30.840
and it may be depending on what's available to

00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:33.239
you to research, but we all come from everywhere

00:37:33.239 --> 00:37:37.840
anyway, don't we? It's a weird thing to wrap

00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:39.500
my head around, and again, this is probably another

00:37:39.500 --> 00:37:43.539
stupid statement, but all of... No, it's a stupid

00:37:43.539 --> 00:37:45.739
statement. I'm realising this at the time. All

00:37:45.739 --> 00:37:51.099
of my family come to Yorkshire. So this is stupid.

00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:55.960
But, like, no, I'm not talking. I'm actually

00:37:55.960 --> 00:37:57.639
going to edit this out of the podcast. No, it's

00:37:57.639 --> 00:38:00.639
not stupid. It's not stupid. It makes your family

00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:04.260
come to Yorkshire because Yorkshire, so you've

00:38:04.260 --> 00:38:07.079
researched so far back to the early 1800s, haven't

00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:10.239
you? Yeah. And some of them are already in Yorkshire,

00:38:10.280 --> 00:38:13.239
but then everybody of that generation comes to

00:38:13.239 --> 00:38:15.179
Yorkshire. It's not like... I'm not researching

00:38:15.179 --> 00:38:17.619
the 1800s and people are just living in Scotland.

00:38:18.059 --> 00:38:20.000
It's like, we're in Scotland, now we're going

00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:22.840
to get to Yorkshire. And I think I've got a couple

00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:25.920
in Newcastle and some in Manchester, but everybody's

00:38:25.920 --> 00:38:29.039
just coming to Yorkshire, which makes sense because

00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:33.860
that's where I'm from. But it's interesting to

00:38:33.860 --> 00:38:37.320
chart that lots of people migrated to Yorkshire.

00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:42.840
For work. Because it's a hive of industry. Yeah.

00:38:44.079 --> 00:38:48.719
I'll be quiet. No, I think this is what's fun

00:38:48.719 --> 00:38:52.079
about family history, isn't it? Yeah, I guess

00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:54.719
so. But surely if everybody's looking at themselves

00:38:54.719 --> 00:38:58.000
as like, not ground zero, as like the pinnacle,

00:38:58.000 --> 00:39:01.860
whatever it is, the hub, the centre, then everything

00:39:01.860 --> 00:39:03.639
is going to be drawn into you to wherever you

00:39:03.639 --> 00:39:06.179
live. Or is that just me? Is that just because

00:39:06.179 --> 00:39:07.820
I'm so Yorkshire that it just happened? It's

00:39:07.820 --> 00:39:10.420
just you, because you're so Yorkshire. So for

00:39:10.420 --> 00:39:15.500
you, for example, I don't even... For me, I'm

00:39:15.500 --> 00:39:19.500
just British. I can't feel any more specific

00:39:19.500 --> 00:39:23.840
than that. So when people meet me, I sound really

00:39:23.840 --> 00:39:27.519
English. And anyone who was Welsh, Irish or Scottish

00:39:27.519 --> 00:39:31.519
should go, yeah, you're English. But because

00:39:31.519 --> 00:39:36.179
I like doing my family history and one set of

00:39:36.179 --> 00:39:39.159
my grandparents lived in Scotland and my granny

00:39:39.159 --> 00:39:41.800
died in 2012 and I've got other relations who

00:39:41.800 --> 00:39:45.599
live in Scotland. So I definitely feel that bit

00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:48.860
of me. I feel very fond of Scotland. Like when

00:39:48.860 --> 00:39:50.239
you're talking about those kind of that bonded

00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:55.280
feeling and my family and I sound like a southerner.

00:39:55.280 --> 00:39:57.599
I sound like if you use a Yorkshire person, you

00:39:57.599 --> 00:39:59.559
go, gosh, not just English. She's a southerner,

00:39:59.639 --> 00:40:02.559
wouldn't you? I don't think I would with you.

00:40:02.599 --> 00:40:07.820
I think you've got a very neutral. OK. Yeah.

00:40:07.820 --> 00:40:10.360
No, I wouldn't say. You don't sound Southern

00:40:10.360 --> 00:40:16.639
to me. Okay. Interesting. Okay. But if I go back

00:40:16.639 --> 00:40:18.840
to the end of the First World War and I plot

00:40:18.840 --> 00:40:22.199
where everybody's living, then they're all in

00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:27.960
Lancashire and Scotland and Ireland. And so the

00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:32.059
furthest south I have is Lancashire. Yeah. And

00:40:32.059 --> 00:40:36.239
you get the end of the First World War. And loads

00:40:36.239 --> 00:40:39.820
of people moved south, partly because, so one

00:40:39.820 --> 00:40:41.900
of my great grandpas was an engineer. So he's

00:40:41.900 --> 00:40:44.940
working for the Ministry of Works down in London.

00:40:45.300 --> 00:40:47.460
He did engineering work in the First World War.

00:40:47.500 --> 00:40:51.360
He carried on with that into war. So he was based

00:40:51.360 --> 00:40:54.840
there. Another of my grandparents who's Scottish,

00:40:55.019 --> 00:40:57.789
they were born. definitely my great granny was

00:40:57.789 --> 00:40:59.409
born in scotland i can't remember my great i

00:40:59.409 --> 00:41:02.329
think my great in edinburgh i think my great

00:41:02.329 --> 00:41:03.809
grandpa was also born in edinburgh i can't remember

00:41:03.809 --> 00:41:06.829
off my head anyway he'd worked overseas in kenya

00:41:06.829 --> 00:41:09.030
and all sorts of things like that and they retired

00:41:09.030 --> 00:41:12.610
it was my great great grandpa and my great i

00:41:12.610 --> 00:41:13.949
can't remember which one anyway both of them

00:41:13.949 --> 00:41:16.170
they retired to the south coast of england so

00:41:16.170 --> 00:41:18.349
people suddenly just keep coming south they just

00:41:18.349 --> 00:41:21.130
leave the north in their droves my other great

00:41:21.130 --> 00:41:26.780
grandparents are out in south america And what

00:41:26.780 --> 00:41:28.320
are my other great -grandparents doing? Oh, my

00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:30.519
other great -grandparents, they split up. So

00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:33.739
one of them is in Ireland and the other one is

00:41:33.739 --> 00:41:39.539
living in Liverpool. So it's just that post -First

00:41:39.539 --> 00:41:43.320
World War period, the whole being established

00:41:43.320 --> 00:41:46.019
up in the north of England and Scotland and Ireland,

00:41:46.099 --> 00:41:48.960
suddenly it just explodes and they leave. And

00:41:48.960 --> 00:41:50.860
by doing my down -and -out tree, the generation

00:41:50.860 --> 00:41:53.019
before that, they'd already been leaving fast

00:41:53.019 --> 00:41:55.500
and furious, just my branch hadn't. My branch

00:41:55.500 --> 00:41:58.500
hadn't left. You know, I talk about my great

00:41:58.500 --> 00:41:59.860
-granny's auntie and all those other ones, and

00:41:59.860 --> 00:42:00.980
they're all going over to Canada and everything.

00:42:01.039 --> 00:42:03.099
So the generation before my great -granny, my

00:42:03.099 --> 00:42:06.059
great -great -grandparents' generation, they're

00:42:06.059 --> 00:42:09.940
already leaving Ireland and Scotland. Like, can't

00:42:09.940 --> 00:42:12.440
get out quick enough because of their lines of

00:42:12.440 --> 00:42:17.420
work. Yeah. It's fascinating, isn't it? I do

00:42:17.420 --> 00:42:20.320
think I'm talking nonsense still, but... Because

00:42:20.320 --> 00:42:23.559
both sides of my paternal and maternal family,

00:42:23.599 --> 00:42:26.000
both sets of family came to Yorkshire and they

00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:29.300
all stayed quite quickly. I just presume everybody's

00:42:29.300 --> 00:42:33.920
family's like that. Yeah. It's very strange.

00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:38.340
It is. And then my family gets even more unrooted

00:42:38.340 --> 00:42:41.679
because then both my grandpas served in the RAF.

00:42:41.679 --> 00:42:45.380
They were both born in 1920. Second World War

00:42:45.380 --> 00:42:48.780
starts. They're very young. They're 19 and they

00:42:48.780 --> 00:42:51.989
sign up. join the RAF, serve in the RAF through

00:42:51.989 --> 00:42:55.070
the Second World War. Both of them luckily suffer

00:42:55.070 --> 00:42:59.110
no long -term, you know, they both live, get

00:42:59.110 --> 00:43:03.150
married, have loads of kids, but they stay in

00:43:03.150 --> 00:43:05.650
the RAF, that's the point, after the war. So

00:43:05.650 --> 00:43:08.789
they continue to move house the whole time. Then

00:43:08.789 --> 00:43:10.989
my dad was in the army, so he moved house the

00:43:10.989 --> 00:43:14.030
whole time. Right. So you're quite a nomadic

00:43:14.030 --> 00:43:17.780
then. Yes, got no roots. Do you actually identify

00:43:17.780 --> 00:43:21.579
with any particular area then? No. I mean, I

00:43:21.579 --> 00:43:23.719
couldn't define it more than just British. British.

00:43:23.980 --> 00:43:26.420
Interesting. Because I think I'm proper out and

00:43:26.420 --> 00:43:30.219
out Yorkshire. Yeah. But then I was talking to

00:43:30.219 --> 00:43:32.480
an American friend the other day and she called

00:43:32.480 --> 00:43:35.780
me posh Yorkshire, which I feel like I'm just

00:43:35.780 --> 00:43:38.480
really Yorkshire, but apparently I'm not as Yorkshire

00:43:38.480 --> 00:43:41.699
as I think. I'll take it as a compliment, posh

00:43:41.699 --> 00:43:46.170
Yorkshire. It's funny as well because probably

00:43:46.170 --> 00:43:48.909
our two versions of what it means to be British

00:43:48.909 --> 00:43:52.010
are going to be just two of many. There are going

00:43:52.010 --> 00:43:53.489
to be some people who have really, really strong

00:43:53.489 --> 00:43:55.130
roots to a place and then there's going to be

00:43:55.130 --> 00:43:59.590
others of us who have kind of more widespread

00:43:59.590 --> 00:44:03.769
roots within and without British Isles. Yeah.

00:44:04.210 --> 00:44:06.110
And it's going to keep changing like that. We're

00:44:06.110 --> 00:44:09.949
just like a growing fungi. I think that's what

00:44:09.949 --> 00:44:12.150
I'm trying to say but doing it very badly. It's

00:44:12.150 --> 00:44:15.559
like... I have been looking at all these families

00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:19.119
that are part of my family, of course, but there's

00:44:19.119 --> 00:44:21.500
no, there doesn't seem to be like a good solid

00:44:21.500 --> 00:44:23.980
set time where my family moved here and lived

00:44:23.980 --> 00:44:27.679
in Scotland for a hundred years. And then they

00:44:27.679 --> 00:44:29.760
came down. It's all, everybody just came down

00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:31.380
to Yorkshire and they got to Yorkshire and they

00:44:31.380 --> 00:44:34.400
stayed in Yorkshire. So there are strands that

00:44:34.400 --> 00:44:36.619
are getting out of Yorkshire. And obviously this

00:44:36.619 --> 00:44:38.639
probably will change as I get further back, if

00:44:38.639 --> 00:44:40.500
I can get further back, because obviously they're

00:44:40.500 --> 00:44:43.820
not in Yorkshire at that point. In quote unquote

00:44:43.820 --> 00:44:48.039
recent history, the last 200 years. Yeah, that's

00:44:48.039 --> 00:44:55.079
great. It's all Yorkshire based. I'm just talking

00:44:55.079 --> 00:44:59.579
nonsense, aren't I? No, I think people, Yorkshire

00:44:59.579 --> 00:45:01.280
people are renowned for being very proud of being

00:45:01.280 --> 00:45:04.099
Yorkshire, aren't they? And maybe that makes

00:45:04.099 --> 00:45:05.219
sense. They don't want to leave. They're like,

00:45:05.320 --> 00:45:07.079
Yorkshire's lovely. Why would you want to leave?

00:45:07.659 --> 00:45:19.469
Dad's own country, of course. Yeah. So we've

00:45:19.469 --> 00:45:22.329
kind of been busy thinking your way about family

00:45:22.329 --> 00:45:24.730
history, haven't we? Do you know what we've got

00:45:24.730 --> 00:45:27.750
coming up soon? So if anybody's felt like this

00:45:27.750 --> 00:45:29.750
is an interminable waffle from Nathan and Helen

00:45:29.750 --> 00:45:31.829
today, in a few weeks' time it's going to be

00:45:31.829 --> 00:45:33.889
very exciting because Dr Sophie Kay is going

00:45:33.889 --> 00:45:37.150
to come on our podcast. Oh, cool, yeah. Lucid,

00:45:37.150 --> 00:45:39.690
organised thoughts. That's what we need. We need

00:45:39.690 --> 00:45:41.590
some of those in our lives. We absolutely do.

00:45:42.119 --> 00:45:45.139
And so in June, we're running a lovely course

00:45:45.139 --> 00:45:47.500
with her at the moment that we have run before.

00:45:47.599 --> 00:45:49.699
And it's really good to help people with their

00:45:49.699 --> 00:45:51.659
search and research skills. And it's called the

00:45:51.659 --> 00:45:54.639
Research Skills Studio. Anyway, in June, we're

00:45:54.639 --> 00:45:56.800
going to be running a brick walls boot camp.

00:45:57.559 --> 00:46:00.019
Right. That sounds perfect. It's really good,

00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:01.800
isn't it? And it's addressing all those sorts

00:46:01.800 --> 00:46:05.780
of questions. You know, when you find. you found

00:46:05.780 --> 00:46:07.679
some search results and you're not sure whether

00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:09.980
you're looking at one, two or more people and

00:46:09.980 --> 00:46:12.940
trying to sort out the wheat from the chaff and

00:46:12.940 --> 00:46:17.699
say, yes, is this my ancestor or not? So that's

00:46:17.699 --> 00:46:19.860
going to be exciting stuff. So keep listening

00:46:19.860 --> 00:46:22.460
to the podcast and she'll be here soon. Yeah,

00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:24.440
that'll be good. Good to learn from that one.

00:46:24.639 --> 00:46:27.000
Yeah, really good. She's so organised about how

00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:28.880
she thinks about things and I love how she gives...

00:46:29.559 --> 00:46:32.719
Like her tactics. She gives some funky names

00:46:32.719 --> 00:46:34.480
to help us remember them. So then you can go,

00:46:34.519 --> 00:46:36.619
right, I need to draw on this tactic to help

00:46:36.619 --> 00:46:39.739
me work through that problem. Sounds really useful.

00:46:40.539 --> 00:46:46.599
I need a bit more order in my life. So what do

00:46:46.599 --> 00:46:48.340
you think about your genealogy journal? Are you

00:46:48.340 --> 00:46:50.659
going to do it? Because you were very excited

00:46:50.659 --> 00:46:52.760
last week. Yeah, I am actually really disappointed

00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:55.480
in myself. It got me. When you said you'd done

00:46:55.480 --> 00:46:58.409
it, I actually was like, oh, my God. I was so

00:46:58.409 --> 00:47:01.389
into the idea and I feel so bad that I've not

00:47:01.389 --> 00:47:03.929
done it. So, yes, that is a priority. I think

00:47:03.929 --> 00:47:06.070
it's such a good idea just for my own sanity,

00:47:06.210 --> 00:47:08.969
just to have those few little notes, even if

00:47:08.969 --> 00:47:12.630
it's like three lines of text. Yeah, I'm angry

00:47:12.630 --> 00:47:14.449
at myself about this. So, yes, that's definitely

00:47:14.449 --> 00:47:17.190
my homework for this week. I think you could

00:47:17.190 --> 00:47:20.510
make a really lovely one because you could potentially

00:47:20.510 --> 00:47:24.340
even include little drawings. Yeah. I mean, did

00:47:24.340 --> 00:47:26.440
you see my sketch of, did you see my photograph

00:47:26.440 --> 00:47:29.099
of my research log thing the other day? It was

00:47:29.099 --> 00:47:33.659
awful. Don't put pressure on me. I'll be happy

00:47:33.659 --> 00:47:35.800
to make some notes. But I like what you've said

00:47:35.800 --> 00:47:38.780
about the spider diagram because obviously without

00:47:38.780 --> 00:47:41.679
turning it into a research log, it's nice to

00:47:41.679 --> 00:47:45.059
know where you want to take it or where you were

00:47:45.059 --> 00:47:47.000
thinking about taking it at the time. Because

00:47:47.000 --> 00:47:48.599
like you say, if you reflect back in years to

00:47:48.599 --> 00:47:51.360
come, like, oh, I was thinking this. And I'm

00:47:51.360 --> 00:47:53.219
going to do that. Did I do that? And then obviously,

00:47:53.320 --> 00:47:55.940
as you read on, you'll find out more. So I really

00:47:55.940 --> 00:47:59.159
love this idea. So I will give myself a slap

00:47:59.159 --> 00:48:01.159
on the wrist and I will get myself to a stationery

00:48:01.159 --> 00:48:04.380
shop and get a lovely, lovely journal. So that's

00:48:04.380 --> 00:48:07.980
easy homework. And then that's always nice buying

00:48:07.980 --> 00:48:10.579
new stationery, isn't it? Always. I love stationery.

00:48:10.960 --> 00:48:14.900
I do want to research these middle names. It's

00:48:14.900 --> 00:48:17.500
a rabbit hole that I think I won't say I'm going

00:48:17.500 --> 00:48:20.099
to do just yet because I've been such a bad lad.

00:48:20.940 --> 00:48:22.960
I need to get these death dates done so I can

00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:26.460
forget about them. But I've got a good weekend

00:48:26.460 --> 00:48:29.219
where I've actually got a free block and I'm

00:48:29.219 --> 00:48:30.579
literally thinking it's going to be a family

00:48:30.579 --> 00:48:33.920
history weekend. Nice. So I'm actually quite

00:48:33.920 --> 00:48:36.320
excited. I think I'm going to get a few full

00:48:36.320 --> 00:48:40.380
stops for some factual stuff sorted and hopefully

00:48:40.380 --> 00:48:46.679
start digging and tinkering. I'll make no promises,

00:48:46.719 --> 00:48:48.199
though, because clearly I get really enthusiastic

00:48:48.199 --> 00:48:52.719
and forget what I'm doing. Unbelievable. What

00:48:52.719 --> 00:48:56.940
about you? What are you going to do? This is

00:48:56.940 --> 00:48:58.639
going to carry on. Probably it's going to be

00:48:58.639 --> 00:49:00.760
10 years time and I'll still be going, I'm just

00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:03.139
going to continue researching my out and down

00:49:03.139 --> 00:49:05.699
tree. So I'm going to, that's what I'm going

00:49:05.699 --> 00:49:08.039
to do. And I don't know where it's going to take

00:49:08.039 --> 00:49:10.340
me. So me saying I don't like unexpected surprises,

00:49:10.360 --> 00:49:13.300
but sticking within that big, broad parameter

00:49:13.300 --> 00:49:15.320
of researching my three times great grandparents,

00:49:15.699 --> 00:49:18.119
all of their descendants, that's what I'm doing.

00:49:18.860 --> 00:49:21.219
I think it's great. You are getting more exciting

00:49:21.219 --> 00:49:24.099
things. I'm getting such exciting things. Than

00:49:24.099 --> 00:49:26.739
I am. That whole American thing is amazing. I'm

00:49:26.739 --> 00:49:30.420
fascinated by it all. I love America. Just to

00:49:30.420 --> 00:49:33.039
get into that history side of it is cool. Whereas

00:49:33.039 --> 00:49:35.480
I'm just like, I'm just looking for a death record.

00:49:36.019 --> 00:49:39.519
It's just boring. I'm kind of loving being so

00:49:39.519 --> 00:49:44.639
unknowledgeable as well. how i'd accustomed to

00:49:44.639 --> 00:49:47.219
but i'm i'm used to that feeling but it is really

00:49:47.219 --> 00:49:49.380
it really it feels like an adventure because

00:49:49.380 --> 00:49:52.300
i don't know anything really yeah yeah it's exciting

00:49:52.300 --> 00:49:55.579
to learn about isn't it whereas i think i'm stuck

00:49:55.579 --> 00:49:57.260
in the meat and two veg of it all it's like yeah

00:49:57.260 --> 00:49:59.219
yeah look at this document press this button

00:49:59.219 --> 00:50:04.059
do this yeah yes learn things it's fun Yes. So

00:50:04.059 --> 00:50:06.559
I think you should join me on the out and down

00:50:06.559 --> 00:50:08.860
adventure, down and out adventure. I think I

00:50:08.860 --> 00:50:10.619
might. I might do a little case today. I might

00:50:10.619 --> 00:50:13.320
try and find the person that emigrated to Canada,

00:50:13.440 --> 00:50:15.579
which actually could take me an entire weekend

00:50:15.579 --> 00:50:17.320
to find anyway, because I can't remember who

00:50:17.320 --> 00:50:20.880
it was. And maybe I'll try and follow that out.

00:50:22.300 --> 00:50:26.039
Once again, I'm going to make no promises. Good.

00:50:26.659 --> 00:50:29.380
That's fine. I'm writing it down. Canada lady.

00:50:32.329 --> 00:50:36.949
No relation to Tankman. Fun. Cool. Yeah. Well,

00:50:37.050 --> 00:50:39.469
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