WEBVTT 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:03.560 Hello and welcome to Family Tree Talk, your favourite 00:00:03.560 --> 00:00:06.280 family history podcast. My name's Helen Tovey. 00:00:06.339 --> 00:00:08.519 I'm editor of Family Tree and with me as usual 00:00:08.519 --> 00:00:12.560 is... Nathan Ward. Hello there. So how's your 00:00:12.560 --> 00:00:16.960 family history week gone? If I'm honest, not 00:00:16.960 --> 00:00:21.179 very well. I've been all over the place. So I 00:00:21.179 --> 00:00:23.800 haven't found much time to do my family history 00:00:23.800 --> 00:00:30.620 this week, which irritates me a bit. Really, 00:00:30.640 --> 00:00:32.600 really random. I've literally, I've not been 00:00:32.600 --> 00:00:35.780 focused. I've been all over the place. I'm a 00:00:35.780 --> 00:00:39.439 little obsessed with my tree score. So that's 00:00:39.439 --> 00:00:42.320 become, it's awful. That's become my priority. 00:00:42.579 --> 00:00:46.140 I've gone on and done the little hint. It says, 00:00:46.259 --> 00:00:48.439 is this person a duplicate? No, they're not. 00:00:48.579 --> 00:00:50.939 So I keep doing, I keep doing the three little 00:00:50.939 --> 00:00:52.960 hints it gives me, thinking that's going to tidy 00:00:52.960 --> 00:00:55.679 my tree score up and eventually I'll become elite. 00:00:56.340 --> 00:00:58.719 I've done that, but that also sends you off on 00:00:58.719 --> 00:01:02.200 tangents. So I did a couple of them and then 00:01:02.200 --> 00:01:04.319 I found one where it was asking me about a duplicate 00:01:04.319 --> 00:01:07.840 that then involved me going in and checking this 00:01:07.840 --> 00:01:10.459 woman's age and then her sister's age and making 00:01:10.459 --> 00:01:15.180 sure it all lined up. And from that, I accidentally 00:01:15.180 --> 00:01:17.799 discovered a death date of one of the parents, 00:01:17.900 --> 00:01:20.879 which if I'm honest, I don't remember which layer 00:01:20.879 --> 00:01:22.540 of my tree. Well, it might have been my third 00:01:22.540 --> 00:01:24.659 time's great grandparents. So one of them accidentally 00:01:24.659 --> 00:01:26.700 got a death date, which was great because obviously. 00:01:27.340 --> 00:01:29.340 That was one of your goals, wasn't it? Yeah, 00:01:29.359 --> 00:01:30.579 that was one of my goals. But I was actually 00:01:30.579 --> 00:01:31.980 meant to be doing that on my second time great 00:01:31.980 --> 00:01:34.120 grandparents. But I'll take it. I'll take it 00:01:34.120 --> 00:01:36.739 as a win. It's a little bit of information. I 00:01:36.739 --> 00:01:39.019 still have three people on my second time great 00:01:39.019 --> 00:01:41.859 grandparents list that I haven't got death dates 00:01:41.859 --> 00:01:45.000 for because I literally haven't looked. Despite 00:01:45.000 --> 00:01:47.040 everything we talked about last time, I haven't 00:01:47.040 --> 00:01:49.739 looked at them. That's where I'm stuck at there. 00:01:50.700 --> 00:01:53.980 I did go back to the Catherine, the lady that 00:01:53.980 --> 00:01:58.219 I tagged as dangerous. Yes. She is dangerous. 00:01:58.780 --> 00:02:02.939 She's like Maverick from Top Gun. Anyway, she's... 00:02:02.939 --> 00:02:05.659 Yes, do you know what? She isn't dangerous. She 00:02:05.659 --> 00:02:08.819 is the son... No, she's not. She's the daughter 00:02:08.819 --> 00:02:14.780 of Joseph Blackburn. And she was born seven years 00:02:14.780 --> 00:02:18.360 before he married my direct descendant, whose 00:02:18.360 --> 00:02:21.539 name... It's going to be Mary. It's a Mary. It's 00:02:21.539 --> 00:02:26.189 before he married a Mary. And, yeah, he... How 00:02:26.189 --> 00:02:29.990 do I describe this? So she was born six or seven 00:02:29.990 --> 00:02:33.789 years before they got married. And when they 00:02:33.789 --> 00:02:36.310 got married, this might not be from a marriage, 00:02:36.349 --> 00:02:37.909 actually. It might be from one of the censuses. 00:02:37.930 --> 00:02:40.689 One of the censuses says he's like 44 and she's 00:02:40.689 --> 00:02:44.409 20 -something. So there's a big age difference. 00:02:45.050 --> 00:02:47.969 So I'm pretty much certain that he was married 00:02:47.969 --> 00:02:51.229 beforehand. Yeah. But I don't have a marriage 00:02:51.229 --> 00:02:53.789 certificate for them, so I don't have anything 00:02:53.789 --> 00:02:57.530 saying... widow or anything like that I've taken 00:02:57.530 --> 00:03:00.449 their marriage from finding the oh I've forgotten 00:03:00.449 --> 00:03:02.610 the name of it now the one where it tells you 00:03:02.610 --> 00:03:05.250 the the page the folio and the number and stuff 00:03:05.250 --> 00:03:08.150 just the index entry the index entry yeah I had 00:03:08.150 --> 00:03:09.669 two index entries this is what we talked about 00:03:09.669 --> 00:03:12.009 last time I had one index entry from one of them 00:03:12.009 --> 00:03:15.430 and then I used that information to try and find 00:03:15.430 --> 00:03:20.449 the other person on free birth marriage death 00:03:20.449 --> 00:03:24.680 and I did So the page numbers lined up and everything 00:03:24.680 --> 00:03:27.599 matched. That's how I knew they were married, 00:03:27.620 --> 00:03:30.419 but I don't have the certificate. I've also done 00:03:30.419 --> 00:03:32.680 a cheeky cheeky and seen someone else's tree. 00:03:33.180 --> 00:03:36.659 And they've got the exact same information as 00:03:36.659 --> 00:03:40.060 me. So they do have this Catherine, been born 00:03:40.060 --> 00:03:43.340 before this marriage, but they still also don't 00:03:43.340 --> 00:03:46.500 have any record of an earlier marriage. Yeah. 00:03:46.840 --> 00:03:50.699 I'm very stuck. I don't know how to find. An 00:03:50.699 --> 00:03:52.699 early marriage. Maybe there even wasn't one. 00:03:52.740 --> 00:03:55.400 Who has a clue? But you kind of imagine there 00:03:55.400 --> 00:03:58.520 would have been. But his age points to the fact 00:03:58.520 --> 00:04:01.840 that maybe he probably was widowed. Again, I'm 00:04:01.840 --> 00:04:03.639 guessing, aren't I? I'm just assuming too much. 00:04:03.759 --> 00:04:07.560 Do you think there's a few potential kind of 00:04:07.560 --> 00:04:10.400 easy answers which can help put you out of your 00:04:10.400 --> 00:04:13.120 research misery? Put me out of my misery. Let's 00:04:13.120 --> 00:04:16.560 do it. Well, maybe I'm not in proper concentrating 00:04:16.560 --> 00:04:19.779 mode. So you've got the index entry. It's the 00:04:19.779 --> 00:04:22.220 kind of golden rule of the value of tracking 00:04:22.220 --> 00:04:24.139 down the original records, isn't it? Because 00:04:24.139 --> 00:04:26.779 at the moment, you're hazarding a guess based 00:04:26.779 --> 00:04:30.699 on some circumstantial evidence and some other 00:04:30.699 --> 00:04:34.040 bits of evidence that he is on his second marriage 00:04:34.040 --> 00:04:37.040 at the point when you find this marriage index 00:04:37.040 --> 00:04:40.180 entry. So if you've got the original record, 00:04:40.560 --> 00:04:42.759 then that's going to potentially tell you about 00:04:42.759 --> 00:04:47.060 his marital status. Yeah. So getting that marriage 00:04:47.060 --> 00:04:49.560 record, so obviously a marriage certificate with 00:04:49.560 --> 00:04:52.680 the GRO, you can get the digital versions of 00:04:52.680 --> 00:04:54.939 the births and deaths nice and cheaply as JPEGs 00:04:54.939 --> 00:04:56.339 and PDFs, but you can't do that for marriages, 00:04:56.360 --> 00:04:58.759 so you're looking at whatever is roughly 12 quid. 00:04:58.819 --> 00:05:00.980 Yeah, 12 quid. Exactly. So that feels expensive. 00:05:00.980 --> 00:05:03.360 So the other option you could do is having a 00:05:03.360 --> 00:05:07.319 look online and see whether the marriage parish 00:05:07.319 --> 00:05:11.699 register has been... digitized for the place 00:05:11.699 --> 00:05:13.639 where your ancestors are. So you could look on 00:05:13.639 --> 00:05:15.779 ancestry, family past, family search. They would 00:05:15.779 --> 00:05:18.100 all be really good places to look. And also with 00:05:18.100 --> 00:05:20.060 the local family history society. So between 00:05:20.060 --> 00:05:24.399 them, can any of them for less money give you 00:05:24.399 --> 00:05:26.459 this information? And like the beauty of family 00:05:26.459 --> 00:05:28.339 history societies, for instance, if they have 00:05:28.339 --> 00:05:31.519 done lots of, might not be original work, but 00:05:31.519 --> 00:05:33.980 they might have transcripts and more detailed 00:05:33.980 --> 00:05:36.220 indexes and things for you to work with your 00:05:36.220 --> 00:05:39.939 entire annual. Membership fee could very likely 00:05:39.939 --> 00:05:41.980 be 12 quid and that's the price of one certificate. 00:05:42.600 --> 00:05:44.500 Right. Well, you know me, I like to do things 00:05:44.500 --> 00:05:47.660 for less money. Exactly. It's all appealing. 00:05:48.279 --> 00:05:52.079 Yeah. So I think because you've already got a 00:05:52.079 --> 00:05:54.019 membership to Ancestry, have a look there. Then 00:05:54.019 --> 00:05:56.360 have a look on FamilySearch in case they've got 00:05:56.360 --> 00:05:58.759 any useful parish registers, which they do have 00:05:58.759 --> 00:06:01.079 loads of them. And that FamilySearch is free 00:06:01.079 --> 00:06:03.420 to use. And then the next thing would be to go 00:06:03.420 --> 00:06:05.740 to FindMyPast. Potentially you could do a free 00:06:05.740 --> 00:06:08.240 trial or you could... See if you want to take 00:06:08.240 --> 00:06:09.720 the plunge and start spending money there as 00:06:09.720 --> 00:06:14.439 well. Yeah. Definitely. So get some further facts. 00:06:14.579 --> 00:06:17.139 You've got some facts which are leading you to 00:06:17.139 --> 00:06:20.759 some thoughts, but you need more facts to know 00:06:20.759 --> 00:06:23.319 whether you're on the right track. It's just 00:06:23.319 --> 00:06:25.120 that money thing, which is not just a money thing, 00:06:25.160 --> 00:06:26.959 because it's hard, isn't it? Money's blooming 00:06:26.959 --> 00:06:30.399 annoying. It is, yeah. And it's kind of like 00:06:30.399 --> 00:06:33.139 picking and choosing where is the right place 00:06:33.139 --> 00:06:35.779 to spend that money. I mean, this is a direct 00:06:35.779 --> 00:06:38.329 descendant. Oh, it's tricky, isn't it? Because 00:06:38.329 --> 00:06:41.850 I could potentially go backwards without knowing 00:06:41.850 --> 00:06:44.230 the details of this potential other marriage 00:06:44.230 --> 00:06:48.569 quite happily. But then it's not making the story 00:06:48.569 --> 00:06:50.329 work correctly, is it? So then it's like, well, 00:06:50.410 --> 00:06:52.769 I do need this information. But actually, it 00:06:52.769 --> 00:06:54.449 doesn't actually get me any further back. It's 00:06:54.449 --> 00:06:58.870 just fleshing him out. Tricky. It's really tricky. 00:06:59.050 --> 00:07:01.449 And the more I think about it, the more I think 00:07:01.449 --> 00:07:04.209 about all these other side branches, they do 00:07:04.209 --> 00:07:08.889 tell. They give us such rich insights to what 00:07:08.889 --> 00:07:11.750 it was actually like to be our ancestor, didn't 00:07:11.750 --> 00:07:13.829 they? The ones which we call kind of the main 00:07:13.829 --> 00:07:16.250 events, the main lines or whatever it is, not 00:07:16.250 --> 00:07:19.689 the ancillary branches. Yeah, I'd just like to 00:07:19.689 --> 00:07:22.569 confirm who the mother is for Catherine to feel 00:07:22.569 --> 00:07:24.310 like she's floating there without necessarily 00:07:24.310 --> 00:07:27.230 knowing who her mother is. And like I said, I've 00:07:27.230 --> 00:07:30.519 looked at someone else's tree and... they have 00:07:30.519 --> 00:07:32.779 the exact same setup as me. Catherine's been 00:07:32.779 --> 00:07:34.759 born before the marriage and then all these other 00:07:34.759 --> 00:07:38.680 children appear. Yeah, I just want to clarify 00:07:38.680 --> 00:07:41.459 it and have it as a solid fact. And then it's 00:07:41.459 --> 00:07:42.980 that weird thing where, you know, in like a few 00:07:42.980 --> 00:07:44.420 months' time, I'll have forgotten who Catherine 00:07:44.420 --> 00:07:46.240 is and where she is on the tree and why she was 00:07:46.240 --> 00:07:48.899 so important. And the answer is probably she 00:07:48.899 --> 00:07:51.720 wasn't and she isn't. But right now it's an interesting 00:07:51.720 --> 00:07:54.759 mystery. After weeks of just fact -finding in 00:07:54.759 --> 00:07:58.500 a sort of meticulous, organised way. I kind of 00:07:58.500 --> 00:08:00.800 want to get lost in a few people and a little 00:08:00.800 --> 00:08:05.100 bit of a family history mystery. I think that's 00:08:05.100 --> 00:08:06.779 allowed. I think that's the main point of it. 00:08:07.220 --> 00:08:09.420 Yeah, I think it's where I need to go, to be 00:08:09.420 --> 00:08:15.100 honest. Just a bit of indulgent reflecting. We're 00:08:15.100 --> 00:08:18.579 not databases. Exactly, exactly. We're human 00:08:18.579 --> 00:08:20.939 beings. We're human beings, not computers, aren't 00:08:20.939 --> 00:08:25.620 we? That's right. Yes. That's our story and we're 00:08:25.620 --> 00:08:28.689 sticking to it. Yes. People might think we're 00:08:28.689 --> 00:08:30.970 robots and we're just machines, but no, we're 00:08:30.970 --> 00:08:35.549 real life humans with feelings. Yes. Yep. So 00:08:35.549 --> 00:08:38.690 that's it. That's largely where I'm at. I feel 00:08:38.690 --> 00:08:41.970 frustrated that I'm not actually getting anywhere. 00:08:42.230 --> 00:08:45.009 I feel like I'm stagnating a little bit, but 00:08:45.009 --> 00:08:48.990 I do know what I have to do. It just feels less 00:08:48.990 --> 00:08:51.669 like fun at the moment. Oh, if it feels less 00:08:51.669 --> 00:08:53.750 like fun, then you've got to change it. Yeah, 00:08:53.830 --> 00:08:57.470 I think I will follow the Catherine path. I guess 00:08:57.470 --> 00:08:59.669 I'm teetering, aren't I? I'm on the edge of the 00:08:59.669 --> 00:09:02.730 census has been helpful for where I've got back 00:09:02.730 --> 00:09:05.429 to. And then maybe there's a bit of laziness 00:09:05.429 --> 00:09:07.750 in me that's like, oh my gosh, if I go back further, 00:09:07.809 --> 00:09:09.210 this is actually where it's going to get really 00:09:09.210 --> 00:09:13.049 hard because I don't have anything to rely on 00:09:13.049 --> 00:09:15.129 for facts. I've got to start finding new records 00:09:15.129 --> 00:09:18.049 and learning new skills. What a lazy boy. I should 00:09:18.049 --> 00:09:20.870 just do this, shouldn't I? No, I don't think 00:09:20.870 --> 00:09:22.990 that's lazy. I think that's a really natural 00:09:22.990 --> 00:09:27.659 kind of fear point. I think that's such an understandable 00:09:27.659 --> 00:09:31.399 thing to do. It's the comfort zone factor, isn't 00:09:31.399 --> 00:09:32.759 it? You're having to go somewhere a little bit 00:09:32.759 --> 00:09:35.519 new. And before you know it, once you have branched 00:09:35.519 --> 00:09:38.360 out into that area, it is always going to be 00:09:38.360 --> 00:09:42.179 harder. It's not you being stupid or unknowledgeable 00:09:42.179 --> 00:09:44.679 that it's harder. It is harder, but it will soon 00:09:44.679 --> 00:09:47.860 become fairly familiar territory. Yeah. We found 00:09:47.860 --> 00:09:53.320 a little bit of research for this Catherine. 00:09:54.379 --> 00:09:57.879 I found Joseph Blackburn, who's her father, on 00:09:57.879 --> 00:10:01.720 the 1841 census. And it's just a different world, 00:10:01.740 --> 00:10:04.240 isn't it? Like you said the other week, the Ancestry 00:10:04.240 --> 00:10:06.440 weren't pulling the information. So you've got 00:10:06.440 --> 00:10:09.600 to then go and read the document slightly more 00:10:09.600 --> 00:10:11.600 than you would normally because you don't have 00:10:11.600 --> 00:10:14.519 to go back. I found Joseph and I found his parents. 00:10:15.259 --> 00:10:18.740 So that's great. I can get my tree one generation 00:10:18.740 --> 00:10:21.960 further back. but Ancestry won't naturally pull 00:10:21.960 --> 00:10:24.059 it in, so I've got to manually then go and find 00:10:24.059 --> 00:10:26.940 that document again and pull in Joseph's dad 00:10:26.940 --> 00:10:31.379 and his mum. It sounds like I'm being lazy again, 00:10:31.500 --> 00:10:33.399 but it's just a different process from saying, 00:10:33.460 --> 00:10:34.720 yes, they're there, click, click, click, click, 00:10:34.720 --> 00:10:37.480 boom, and then going into them. You actually 00:10:37.480 --> 00:10:39.460 have to take the time and look at each person 00:10:39.460 --> 00:10:42.080 individually, which I guess, for being meticulous, 00:10:42.080 --> 00:10:47.700 is a good plan. Speaking of which, I was having 00:10:47.700 --> 00:10:50.490 a... a cuppa with a couple of friends the other 00:10:50.490 --> 00:10:53.529 day and one of my friends was saying how she'd 00:10:53.529 --> 00:10:57.350 um taken an ancestry track trial and she decided 00:10:57.350 --> 00:10:59.330 she was going to get her entire tree done in 00:10:59.330 --> 00:11:01.990 the time that she had with the trial been live 00:11:01.990 --> 00:11:05.210 yes oh my god i was in a hot sweat it was awful 00:11:05.210 --> 00:11:07.769 she was just like yeah i was just clicking buttons 00:11:07.769 --> 00:11:11.070 and adding to my tree and and you could tell 00:11:11.070 --> 00:11:12.610 she's clearly just got loads of it wrong and 00:11:12.610 --> 00:11:15.009 just pressed buttons and was just you know the 00:11:15.009 --> 00:11:17.779 dirtiest tree you've ever seen probably But she 00:11:17.779 --> 00:11:19.899 was quite happy with it. I was like, no, that's 00:11:19.899 --> 00:11:24.399 wrong. Stop it. But also, if she's been doing 00:11:24.399 --> 00:11:27.840 it that quickly, then she will just be grabbing 00:11:27.840 --> 00:11:31.519 names and dates in the odd few places. She's 00:11:31.519 --> 00:11:34.759 getting pumped out by the hint machine. And lots 00:11:34.759 --> 00:11:36.559 of that information is going to be accurate. 00:11:37.879 --> 00:11:39.379 She's not going to know which bits are accurate 00:11:39.379 --> 00:11:41.700 and which bits aren't. But so far, she has just 00:11:41.700 --> 00:11:46.710 collated a database, a tree. Whereas what we 00:11:46.710 --> 00:11:50.870 do, whether it's right or wrong, but we get really 00:11:50.870 --> 00:11:53.149 emotionally attached to our ancestors. I'm not 00:11:53.149 --> 00:11:54.730 saying it is right or wrong, but anyway, we do. 00:11:54.929 --> 00:11:56.710 And we build up their stories and we try and 00:11:56.710 --> 00:11:59.730 imagine what it was like for them to live and 00:11:59.730 --> 00:12:02.529 work and lose their job or lose a child or a 00:12:02.529 --> 00:12:06.710 spouse or whatever. And we try and get it really 00:12:06.710 --> 00:12:09.929 accurate because otherwise any false assumption 00:12:09.929 --> 00:12:14.059 we've made is a totally... fictitious story we're 00:12:14.059 --> 00:12:17.799 trying to understand their lives so yeah so for 00:12:17.799 --> 00:12:21.480 her her smash and grab tree it's i don't i wouldn't 00:12:21.480 --> 00:12:23.139 want to squash anyone's enthusiasm for doing 00:12:23.139 --> 00:12:25.559 their family history but if she's got it wrong 00:12:25.559 --> 00:12:27.320 she'll be like hey ho i've got a little branch 00:12:27.320 --> 00:12:29.860 wrong there whereas we'll we would be really 00:12:29.860 --> 00:12:32.100 devastated about it because we've gone on the 00:12:32.100 --> 00:12:34.320 journey we've traveled the ocean with them over 00:12:34.320 --> 00:12:36.899 to america we've seen their twins die or whatever 00:12:36.899 --> 00:12:38.899 it is you know i mean like really tragic things 00:12:38.899 --> 00:12:42.029 yeah We're like, oh, that wasn't actually my 00:12:42.029 --> 00:12:45.610 family. Yeah, she was very blasé about it. She 00:12:45.610 --> 00:12:46.970 was like, oh, I don't know which information 00:12:46.970 --> 00:12:48.649 was right and I don't know who they were, but 00:12:48.649 --> 00:12:50.710 I just kept pressing yes. And I was like, oh 00:12:50.710 --> 00:12:53.450 my God, please don't let me reconnect to your 00:12:53.450 --> 00:12:57.470 screen anyway. Yes, yes. Well, that's also a 00:12:57.470 --> 00:12:59.289 useful insight. It's like all of us, we all think, 00:12:59.429 --> 00:13:01.450 we're always surprised when other people think 00:13:01.450 --> 00:13:04.730 differently to the way we think. And that's just 00:13:04.730 --> 00:13:07.490 useful to know. That explains a lot about some 00:13:07.490 --> 00:13:10.480 of the trees we find. And it was quite interesting 00:13:10.480 --> 00:13:12.860 as well because this woman, I know, she, in my 00:13:12.860 --> 00:13:15.200 head, she was always quite an analytical type 00:13:15.200 --> 00:13:19.120 person. Yeah. And it's like, wow, wow. Why have 00:13:19.120 --> 00:13:22.320 you done this? Why are you so breezy? Yeah. Yeah. 00:13:23.039 --> 00:13:24.940 I think she's having fun doing her family history. 00:13:25.379 --> 00:13:29.519 Yeah. Just during the trial, though. Yes. Yes. 00:13:30.039 --> 00:13:35.269 Yes. I've done that now. Tick. New hobby. I don't 00:13:35.269 --> 00:13:36.389 know whether you're going to see her again soon. 00:13:36.450 --> 00:13:38.210 Could you just invite her to look at some of 00:13:38.210 --> 00:13:41.350 the records that she's got onto her tree? Because 00:13:41.350 --> 00:13:44.110 then she'll start seeing the stories once she 00:13:44.110 --> 00:13:45.889 actually looks at the records, not just quickly 00:13:45.889 --> 00:13:48.649 grabbing hints and grabbing. I've actually stopped 00:13:48.649 --> 00:13:50.809 talking to her now after that conversation, so 00:13:50.809 --> 00:13:54.529 no. You don't want your brain to get infected. 00:13:54.769 --> 00:13:56.960 Your tree school will be taking a nosedive. Yeah, 00:13:57.019 --> 00:13:59.919 I don't want any association. I just don't think 00:13:59.919 --> 00:14:01.440 she's probably that bothered. She said she was 00:14:01.440 --> 00:14:03.460 interested at the time and, like I say, did this 00:14:03.460 --> 00:14:08.080 slapdash one, but who knows? Maybe I can tell 00:14:08.080 --> 00:14:10.320 her some evocative stories from my history and 00:14:10.320 --> 00:14:16.299 get her interested in a deeper way. I find it 00:14:16.299 --> 00:14:18.879 incomprehensible, to be honest. But I do know 00:14:18.879 --> 00:14:20.980 loads of people don't do any family history and 00:14:20.980 --> 00:14:23.419 I do know that I have phases in my life where 00:14:23.419 --> 00:14:26.279 I do more or less family history, depending on... 00:14:26.570 --> 00:14:28.610 Sometimes it's depending on how busy I am or 00:14:28.610 --> 00:14:30.909 sometimes the more I do, the more I want to do. 00:14:32.149 --> 00:14:36.029 It depends what time and resources and headspace 00:14:36.029 --> 00:14:39.269 is available. But I'm not ever planning on stopping 00:14:39.269 --> 00:14:42.490 it. I don't know how you can. Exactly. It's not 00:14:42.490 --> 00:14:45.429 even something I'd want to do. I wish I had this 00:14:45.429 --> 00:14:47.649 attitude to exercise and cleaning the house, 00:14:47.710 --> 00:14:54.789 but I don't. That's weird because I tie my mindset 00:14:54.789 --> 00:14:58.120 for exercise. Very much with my mindset for family 00:14:58.120 --> 00:14:59.840 history. I think the two are the same thing. 00:15:00.059 --> 00:15:02.620 I think they are, because I'm quite envious of 00:15:02.620 --> 00:15:05.480 you for that, because you are much more disciplined 00:15:05.480 --> 00:15:09.179 with your family history than me. I do do some 00:15:09.179 --> 00:15:11.320 things really well, but I'm really hit and miss, 00:15:11.460 --> 00:15:15.840 and I'm not consistent in being good. And over 00:15:15.840 --> 00:15:17.700 the years, I've gone from really good to really 00:15:17.700 --> 00:15:19.399 bad, to really good to really bad again. It's 00:15:19.399 --> 00:15:22.700 not a one -way path to progress. I've got better 00:15:22.700 --> 00:15:26.360 at doing all the good stuff. But equally, I guess 00:15:26.360 --> 00:15:27.799 you're judging yourself by your own standards 00:15:27.799 --> 00:15:30.080 as well, aren't you? What you think is good practice 00:15:30.080 --> 00:15:33.500 might annoy someone else. So you're judging yourself 00:15:33.500 --> 00:15:35.379 by this is what I think is good, but I'm not 00:15:35.379 --> 00:15:41.960 doing it. Fascinating. Yes. So I've had a really 00:15:41.960 --> 00:15:45.179 fun week myself doing lots of family history, 00:15:45.320 --> 00:15:47.919 and I haven't written a single thing in a research 00:15:47.919 --> 00:15:52.320 log. Nice. Must jot. I'll see you from now on. 00:15:52.679 --> 00:15:55.720 Yeah. I'm feeling, yeah, I'm feeling a bit rebellious 00:15:55.720 --> 00:15:58.139 against research logs now. After a year of preaching 00:15:58.139 --> 00:16:01.519 about them, I'm like, no. They are so useful. 00:16:01.559 --> 00:16:04.840 And I know, I know I should be doing it. And 00:16:04.840 --> 00:16:07.259 I like the whole time, you know, when you're 00:16:07.259 --> 00:16:10.240 finding useful things or when you've kind of 00:16:10.240 --> 00:16:13.179 had to unpick and piece together puzzles. And 00:16:13.179 --> 00:16:15.200 I've got the answer and it's all clear as day 00:16:15.200 --> 00:16:18.200 to me. And I know I should be writing down why 00:16:18.200 --> 00:16:20.740 I thought those things. I have had a lucky win 00:16:20.740 --> 00:16:23.850 though. So a few months ago. I can't remember 00:16:23.850 --> 00:16:25.330 if I talked about this. Family Tree Maker is 00:16:25.330 --> 00:16:28.330 an update. So when you write a note in Ancestry, 00:16:28.529 --> 00:16:32.190 when you sync your tree between Ancestry and 00:16:32.190 --> 00:16:35.330 Family Tree Maker, the notes you put for your 00:16:35.330 --> 00:16:38.990 ancestors on your Ancestry tree then get sucked 00:16:38.990 --> 00:16:42.009 into your Family Tree Maker tree. So that feels, 00:16:42.169 --> 00:16:45.169 I feel a little bit OK with this because then 00:16:45.169 --> 00:16:47.990 it feels, it's not the same as a research log. 00:16:48.110 --> 00:16:50.809 It's random notes on random profiles, but it 00:16:50.809 --> 00:16:54.139 does feel I've got. I've got things written down. 00:16:54.220 --> 00:16:56.899 They're just not done in a research log. Concise 00:16:56.899 --> 00:17:01.200 and gathered somewhere. Yeah, yeah. The update 00:17:01.200 --> 00:17:02.820 happened a few months ago, but I didn't get around 00:17:02.820 --> 00:17:04.200 to doing the update. I kept being like, must 00:17:04.200 --> 00:17:06.779 do the update, must do the update. So I've done 00:17:06.779 --> 00:17:09.099 that this week. Nice. I thought you were going 00:17:09.099 --> 00:17:10.700 to say that you'd accidentally found a note you'd 00:17:10.700 --> 00:17:12.420 forgotten and it's given you a massive hint. 00:17:13.119 --> 00:17:16.440 No, no. I found some bizarre things. I mean, 00:17:16.480 --> 00:17:20.670 yes. So my project is... With my three times 00:17:20.670 --> 00:17:23.569 great grandparents to build all their trees down 00:17:23.569 --> 00:17:26.130 and out, yeah? Yes. To help with my DNA thing. 00:17:26.190 --> 00:17:27.710 I'm just saying in case anyone is just tuning 00:17:27.710 --> 00:17:30.029 into the podcast for the first time. So the aim 00:17:30.029 --> 00:17:32.470 of me researching all of these side branches 00:17:32.470 --> 00:17:35.950 down and forward to the present day is so that 00:17:35.950 --> 00:17:38.970 I can try and work out who more of my DNA matches 00:17:38.970 --> 00:17:43.089 are. And so it's a random, weird project because 00:17:43.089 --> 00:17:46.430 what you want is you want, ideally, all of those 00:17:46.430 --> 00:17:49.869 people. 100, 150 years ago who I'm researching 00:17:49.869 --> 00:17:51.990 forward. You want all of them to have lived, 00:17:52.109 --> 00:17:54.430 hopefully had children and descendants and long 00:17:54.430 --> 00:17:57.150 lives and everything else. But then an awful 00:17:57.150 --> 00:17:59.269 lot of them don't. They die when they're under 00:17:59.269 --> 00:18:06.150 one or three or really young. And so on my cold, 00:18:06.210 --> 00:18:09.470 horrible ancestry tags where I'm keeping track 00:18:09.470 --> 00:18:13.230 of what's happening, even though I've got their 00:18:13.230 --> 00:18:16.750 death in there. just to remind myself that clearly 00:18:16.750 --> 00:18:18.369 they've died too young. They're not going to 00:18:18.369 --> 00:18:21.430 have any descendants. Then I'm like out and down, 00:18:21.470 --> 00:18:23.910 complete. So I just tag them that. And it sounds 00:18:23.910 --> 00:18:28.450 like I'm on a space mission or something. And 00:18:28.450 --> 00:18:31.210 I just tag them. And it's such a horrible little 00:18:31.210 --> 00:18:34.789 label for a tragic aspect of my family history. 00:18:35.049 --> 00:18:38.130 So I keep doing this. Yeah, I don't really like 00:18:38.130 --> 00:18:39.910 it, but I'm doing it because it's efficient. 00:18:40.230 --> 00:18:42.950 Ooh, it feels horrible. But like you say, you've 00:18:42.950 --> 00:18:44.789 got to log it in somewhere, don't you? I have 00:18:44.789 --> 00:18:48.170 to keep track of it because it's a very unwieldy 00:18:48.170 --> 00:18:50.549 beast chasing your tree forwards. Because you 00:18:50.549 --> 00:18:53.369 haven't, you know, you've got your eight great 00:18:53.369 --> 00:18:56.269 -grandparents, your 16 great -great -grandparents, 00:18:56.349 --> 00:19:01.710 your 32 great -great -great -grandparents, whatever 00:19:01.710 --> 00:19:03.829 it is. Anyway, whatever I've just said, you keep 00:19:03.829 --> 00:19:07.650 doubling. Whereas going forwards, somebody might 00:19:07.650 --> 00:19:10.450 have no descendants or 13 descendants or anything 00:19:10.450 --> 00:19:14.700 in between. So it's very shifting sands. Yeah, 00:19:14.799 --> 00:19:17.099 it sounds massive. Sounds like a massive undertaking. 00:19:17.740 --> 00:19:20.940 It's cool. What I'm astonished about is the number 00:19:20.940 --> 00:19:23.819 of them who emigrate. Man, they just can't get 00:19:23.819 --> 00:19:28.180 off the island quick enough. Because there's 00:19:28.180 --> 00:19:31.839 a 1926 census for Ireland coming out soon. So 00:19:31.839 --> 00:19:35.119 I have my great granny grew up. I was born in 00:19:35.119 --> 00:19:40.190 Ireland in the 1890s. And she's... the younger 00:19:40.190 --> 00:19:44.190 end of this run of 13 children. So I was expecting 00:19:44.190 --> 00:19:47.869 that I was going to find heaps and heaps of Irish 00:19:47.869 --> 00:19:52.809 kin in Ireland in this 1926 census. And yeah, 00:19:52.930 --> 00:19:54.990 all of their descendants and things like that. 00:19:55.170 --> 00:19:58.289 No, it's not going to happen. Yeah, because they're 00:19:58.289 --> 00:20:00.109 all just, they're all leaving and going to America 00:20:00.109 --> 00:20:03.349 and Canada. That's cool. That's another cool 00:20:03.349 --> 00:20:05.250 story for you to follow at least. It's really 00:20:05.250 --> 00:20:08.569 cool. I mean, yeah, so I keep... I keep finding 00:20:08.569 --> 00:20:11.829 them over there. And sometimes they're living 00:20:11.829 --> 00:20:14.849 near each other. And even people who I wasn't 00:20:14.849 --> 00:20:18.470 expecting. So I found one of her, oh my God, 00:20:18.470 --> 00:20:20.690 it's her auntie. So my great -granny's auntie. 00:20:20.730 --> 00:20:22.970 Found her out in America. And then her husband 00:20:22.970 --> 00:20:26.170 was a knitter. And I was like, ah, that's really 00:20:26.170 --> 00:20:29.470 interesting. Because my family, my Scottish and 00:20:29.470 --> 00:20:31.069 Irish family, lots of them worked in the woolen 00:20:31.069 --> 00:20:32.690 trade, framework knitters, things like this. 00:20:32.769 --> 00:20:34.130 So I was like, ah, that's interesting. Like, 00:20:34.150 --> 00:20:37.410 did she meet her future husband some way on the... 00:20:37.589 --> 00:20:39.549 employment scene or whatever. Turns out that 00:20:39.549 --> 00:20:43.730 he was from Scotland as well. And then I got 00:20:43.730 --> 00:20:47.049 in a real muddle because I found a census record 00:20:47.049 --> 00:20:48.849 and it didn't have a head of a household. It 00:20:48.849 --> 00:20:51.809 just had saying father -in -law, mother -in -law, 00:20:51.809 --> 00:20:53.990 niece, nephew, a whole bunch of people. I thought, 00:20:54.049 --> 00:20:55.289 oh, of course it is going to have a head of a 00:20:55.289 --> 00:20:57.630 household. I just need to page back to the previous 00:20:57.630 --> 00:21:00.029 page, find out who the head is. And the head 00:21:00.029 --> 00:21:03.190 was living with about eight different family 00:21:03.190 --> 00:21:07.009 members. Right. It's just bonkers. So they're 00:21:07.009 --> 00:21:08.750 all, all these people who are emigrating are 00:21:08.750 --> 00:21:10.690 keeping in touch with each other and living with 00:21:10.690 --> 00:21:14.269 each other. Okay. It's kind of nice. Yeah, it's 00:21:14.269 --> 00:21:17.849 cool. Yeah, it is. Everything seems, every record 00:21:17.849 --> 00:21:20.549 I seem to be getting at the moment, I find immediately 00:21:20.549 --> 00:21:23.250 confusing. Like I'm reading it upside down. Like 00:21:23.250 --> 00:21:26.410 that's just an American census record, 1910 census. 00:21:26.650 --> 00:21:29.430 But because it had such a weird mixture of family 00:21:29.430 --> 00:21:32.130 members, it didn't have a nuclear family, like 00:21:32.130 --> 00:21:34.680 parents and kids together. It had... All these 00:21:34.680 --> 00:21:37.940 other disparate relations. Yeah. All on one roof. 00:21:38.220 --> 00:21:41.779 Yeah. And then I'd found out a previous record. 00:21:41.839 --> 00:21:45.039 I'd found a woman's death record. And I was confused 00:21:45.039 --> 00:21:46.920 by that because she was too young to have died. 00:21:46.980 --> 00:21:47.980 And I was like, why are these other people on 00:21:47.980 --> 00:21:50.660 here? And it's because this person, my great 00:21:50.660 --> 00:21:54.920 -grandma's aunt's daughter. So my great -grandma's 00:21:54.920 --> 00:21:57.400 aunt's daughter had died, sadly, of breast cancer 00:21:57.400 --> 00:22:01.829 in her 30s, which is tragic. Because it was her 00:22:01.829 --> 00:22:05.170 parents who were there being recorded on the 00:22:05.170 --> 00:22:08.230 death record for their daughter's death. Then 00:22:08.230 --> 00:22:10.470 I'd assumed she hadn't married. And so I just 00:22:10.470 --> 00:22:12.569 carried on with my building, my forward and down. 00:22:12.730 --> 00:22:17.150 And then when I came to this 1910 census, there's 00:22:17.150 --> 00:22:20.509 my great granny's aunt with her husband, with 00:22:20.509 --> 00:22:22.289 one of her other daughters and her other daughter's 00:22:22.289 --> 00:22:24.150 husband and with a different niece and nephew, 00:22:24.269 --> 00:22:26.190 a different surname. And I was like, wait a minute, 00:22:26.250 --> 00:22:31.319 that surname is... The name of my great -granny's 00:22:31.319 --> 00:22:33.880 aunt's daughter. Yeah, who's the one who died 00:22:33.880 --> 00:22:36.539 of breast cancer. I'm following. Then my great 00:22:36.539 --> 00:22:40.240 -granny's aunt's daughter had had two kids before 00:22:40.240 --> 00:22:43.359 she died in her 30s. And this is the bit where 00:22:43.359 --> 00:22:45.779 I've got up to now, my little personal cliffhanger, 00:22:45.880 --> 00:22:50.140 is what was the precise stage that she died? 00:22:50.480 --> 00:22:55.500 Because on the 1910 census, she's got a... Her 00:22:55.500 --> 00:22:57.680 two children are there, and they're a nine -year 00:22:57.680 --> 00:23:01.079 -old and a three -year -old, okay? And my great 00:23:01.079 --> 00:23:03.519 -granny's aunt's daughter died of breast cancer 00:23:03.519 --> 00:23:07.220 in 1907. So I've got to get those precise dates, 00:23:07.259 --> 00:23:10.259 but that little baby boy, Raymond, who's three, 00:23:10.519 --> 00:23:14.960 he would be a tiny baby when his mum died. Yeah. 00:23:15.259 --> 00:23:17.859 Awful. That's really sad. And so it's really... 00:23:18.319 --> 00:23:20.160 It kind of feels like, what the heck are you 00:23:20.160 --> 00:23:22.619 doing going off on these really random side branches? 00:23:22.740 --> 00:23:25.319 But that's the whole point of it. So it's really 00:23:25.319 --> 00:23:26.819 tragic that my great -granddaughter's daughter 00:23:26.819 --> 00:23:29.140 died young, but she still, from the point of 00:23:29.140 --> 00:23:31.160 view from my DNA research, she did have these 00:23:31.160 --> 00:23:33.920 two kids, the little daughter who's nine, her 00:23:33.920 --> 00:23:36.140 name escapes me, little Raymond who's three. 00:23:36.319 --> 00:23:38.339 So I've now got to trace these two forward, keep 00:23:38.339 --> 00:23:41.039 going forward, forward, because potentially they 00:23:41.039 --> 00:23:45.480 might have a... person my age or younger or whatever 00:23:45.480 --> 00:23:47.680 who's done a dna test and they're on my match 00:23:47.680 --> 00:23:49.839 list but i just would never recognize their surname 00:23:49.839 --> 00:23:51.839 when there will be a small match at that stage 00:23:51.839 --> 00:23:54.680 i don't know how precisely how many centimorgans 00:23:54.680 --> 00:23:56.680 we're going to share but it's going to be not 00:23:56.680 --> 00:23:58.799 right there's a good chance they'll be like full 00:23:58.799 --> 00:24:01.420 -on americans then i guess and that's sitting 00:24:01.420 --> 00:24:03.180 on another train is what that is i really thanks 00:24:03.180 --> 00:24:06.500 for reminding me of that so this year we are 00:24:06.500 --> 00:24:08.700 going to be remembering or celebrating, depending 00:24:08.700 --> 00:24:12.859 on which side of the pond we are, the 250th anniversary 00:24:12.859 --> 00:24:16.039 of the Declaration of Independence. Yeah? All 00:24:16.039 --> 00:24:17.940 the tea party stuff that we learned about at 00:24:17.940 --> 00:24:21.700 school. So I feel like this is history and I'm 00:24:21.700 --> 00:24:24.819 like, mm -hmm, so you did this right. Whereas 00:24:24.819 --> 00:24:29.240 they'll be like, woo -hoo! And they're my distant 00:24:29.240 --> 00:24:33.960 cousins. Yeah? Yeah. And that also got me thinking. 00:24:34.000 --> 00:24:37.200 So they'd... These Irish family and Scottish 00:24:37.200 --> 00:24:41.680 family as well were moving out to America in 00:24:41.680 --> 00:24:45.500 the late 1800s, lots of them in the 1920s, which 00:24:45.500 --> 00:24:46.880 I think is really interesting because Ireland 00:24:46.880 --> 00:24:49.640 obviously was a tumultuous place to live in the 00:24:49.640 --> 00:24:53.799 20s and lots of economic hardship. So it kind 00:24:53.799 --> 00:24:56.460 of makes sense you want to leave to try and get 00:24:56.460 --> 00:24:58.819 a better job just to earn money for your family. 00:24:59.839 --> 00:25:02.220 So they're all leaving and I'm like, how long 00:25:02.220 --> 00:25:04.279 do you have to live in America before you... 00:25:04.700 --> 00:25:07.619 are feel american and that fourth of july is 00:25:07.619 --> 00:25:12.000 really important to you and and and how long 00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:15.660 before that story of the boston tea party you 00:25:15.660 --> 00:25:18.579 change allegiances on how you view that chapter 00:25:18.579 --> 00:25:21.039 of history i don't know yeah that's that's very 00:25:21.039 --> 00:25:24.160 interesting isn't it actually hmm that's cool 00:25:24.160 --> 00:25:27.880 though it is really fun isn't it yeah and it 00:25:27.880 --> 00:25:32.329 feels my so my my I've had such a fun time this 00:25:32.329 --> 00:25:34.109 week. It's been so interesting trying to piece 00:25:34.109 --> 00:25:36.910 all these little bits together. And my geography 00:25:36.910 --> 00:25:40.230 is so awful. I haven't done it yet. I need to 00:25:40.230 --> 00:25:41.849 get a map and find out where all these places 00:25:41.849 --> 00:25:44.809 are, like even really obvious places like Pennsylvania 00:25:44.809 --> 00:25:47.569 and Massachusetts. And I need to find out where 00:25:47.569 --> 00:25:49.910 I've got smaller place names. I need to find 00:25:49.910 --> 00:25:54.049 Ontario. Yeah. I've got a lot of Triendi right 00:25:54.049 --> 00:25:56.490 now. It's really fun. It's really, really fun. 00:25:56.589 --> 00:25:58.970 I bet if you trace your family forward, you'd 00:25:58.970 --> 00:26:02.359 find... lots of you're going to find people in 00:26:02.359 --> 00:26:04.200 the states as well I mean I like what you're 00:26:04.200 --> 00:26:07.220 saying but I disagree entirely I've yeah I'm 00:26:07.220 --> 00:26:10.599 so excited like um this branch that I'm doing 00:26:10.599 --> 00:26:12.960 the Blackburns they came from Newcastle and I'm 00:26:12.960 --> 00:26:16.500 like oh it's somewhere somewhere new and interesting 00:26:16.500 --> 00:26:20.200 but then when you get to I'm when I'm about 18 00:26:20.200 --> 00:26:25.000 1833 roughly let's say yeah and but by the time 00:26:25.000 --> 00:26:28.640 he dies he lives in Pudsey Everybody's drawn 00:26:28.640 --> 00:26:30.980 here. So, yeah, my tree doesn't do what yours 00:26:30.980 --> 00:26:33.920 is doing. Yours sounds fantastic. Perfect excuse 00:26:33.920 --> 00:26:38.259 for a trip. It is an excuse, isn't it? Somebody's 00:26:38.259 --> 00:26:40.099 got to let me stay. Got to go out and stay with 00:26:40.099 --> 00:26:42.240 them. Whereas I can just go to my local fish 00:26:42.240 --> 00:26:46.119 and chip shop. Yeah. And I don't know what your 00:26:46.119 --> 00:26:50.759 ancestors did, but so mine, this particular line, 00:26:51.099 --> 00:26:54.460 if you go back to the early 1800s, they're in 00:26:54.460 --> 00:26:58.660 Leicestershire. It's fine, but it was very unexpected 00:26:58.660 --> 00:27:00.079 when I found these Leicestershire ancestors. 00:27:00.240 --> 00:27:03.039 I had no hint of a family story that we had any 00:27:03.039 --> 00:27:04.900 ancestors from there or whatever. And it's not 00:27:04.900 --> 00:27:07.940 even very far away from where I live today. And 00:27:07.940 --> 00:27:10.259 I've been back to the village where they lived. 00:27:10.279 --> 00:27:15.759 And it's kind of fairly, not home turf like yours, 00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:19.880 good hours drive, but it's not a million miles 00:27:19.880 --> 00:27:25.809 away. If you go to the 1840s, 1850s, the dad 00:27:25.809 --> 00:27:27.930 is hopping up and down. He keeps going back and 00:27:27.930 --> 00:27:30.029 forth between Leicestershire and Scotland for 00:27:30.029 --> 00:27:31.430 work. I think I've banged on about him before 00:27:31.430 --> 00:27:34.089 because there's a woollen factory up there and 00:27:34.089 --> 00:27:35.990 it's really tough work, working as a framework 00:27:35.990 --> 00:27:38.230 lifter in Leicestershire at the time. But in 00:27:38.230 --> 00:27:39.930 Scotland, the Industrial Revolution, I think, 00:27:39.930 --> 00:27:42.700 from that perspective, is slightly... Slower 00:27:42.700 --> 00:27:45.460 behind. So his old trade is still a valid line 00:27:45.460 --> 00:27:48.700 of work in Scotland. He pursues that in Scotland. 00:27:48.859 --> 00:27:51.140 And the next generation below him, they move 00:27:51.140 --> 00:27:53.980 from Scotland. One of my direct line, Alexander, 00:27:54.200 --> 00:27:56.579 they moved to Ireland again to follow up the 00:27:56.579 --> 00:27:58.920 textile trade. And so now we're in like the 1870s. 00:27:58.920 --> 00:28:00.839 So lots of people a couple of decades before 00:28:00.839 --> 00:28:03.119 died in the potato famine. There's an opportunity 00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:05.680 for him to continue with his textile skills. 00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:09.329 And then. Lots of his children, his 13 children, 00:28:09.470 --> 00:28:11.690 they work in the textile industry. Then lots 00:28:11.690 --> 00:28:13.009 of them, when they go into the States, they're 00:28:13.009 --> 00:28:16.069 continuing to work in textile. So this textile 00:28:16.069 --> 00:28:20.609 trade thing is what is leading them to keep moving, 00:28:20.829 --> 00:28:24.529 always moving for work, always working in a slightly 00:28:24.529 --> 00:28:27.670 precarious line of work that has seen better 00:28:27.670 --> 00:28:31.349 days. Yeah? A bit like being a graphic designer 00:28:31.349 --> 00:28:34.650 now. A bit like being an editor on a paper magazine. 00:28:37.019 --> 00:28:41.460 It's in my jeans. It's just work is things like... 00:28:41.460 --> 00:28:45.140 Years ago, my dad used to live opposite somebody 00:28:45.140 --> 00:28:48.420 who was a coal merchant. And they always used 00:28:48.420 --> 00:28:50.839 to joke, because my dad was a priest and the 00:28:50.839 --> 00:28:53.200 neighbour was a coal merchant. And they're like, 00:28:53.339 --> 00:28:55.859 back in the day, that would have been a great 00:28:55.859 --> 00:28:59.339 line of work to be a coal merchant and a priest. 00:28:59.859 --> 00:29:04.119 But once you get to the 20th century, it's all 00:29:04.119 --> 00:29:08.180 solar panels. alternative religion thank god 00:29:08.180 --> 00:29:13.859 yeah so what am i what's my project i'm having 00:29:13.859 --> 00:29:16.039 fun with this i'm not giving up on it and it's 00:29:16.039 --> 00:29:19.019 like it's although it sounds quite dry from the 00:29:19.019 --> 00:29:21.680 start gang i'm going to research my tree down 00:29:21.680 --> 00:29:24.599 and out and i'm just going to populate my tree 00:29:24.599 --> 00:29:28.539 with more of these random side ancestors descendants 00:29:28.539 --> 00:29:32.279 more descendants of my direct ancestors their 00:29:32.279 --> 00:29:34.319 siblings and things like that, and their spouses 00:29:34.319 --> 00:29:36.500 and their kids and going on and on back to the 00:29:36.500 --> 00:29:40.579 future. It kind of sounds really practical, but 00:29:40.579 --> 00:29:43.640 it's such an adventure. I'm loving it. Really 00:29:43.640 --> 00:29:46.599 loving. It sounds amazing. It really does. Even 00:29:46.599 --> 00:29:48.700 just to explore documents from a different country 00:29:48.700 --> 00:29:51.640 sounds fantastic. It is. I mean, the American 00:29:51.640 --> 00:29:54.119 censuses, I don't know whether they all do this 00:29:54.119 --> 00:29:55.559 because I'm not familiar with them enough yet, 00:29:55.579 --> 00:30:00.059 but the 1910 will say which country the person's... 00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:03.779 parents were born in right that's good i guess 00:30:03.779 --> 00:30:05.619 if they've had a lot of immigrants coming in 00:30:05.619 --> 00:30:08.559 then that is vital information isn't it yes but 00:30:08.559 --> 00:30:11.000 for me it's like super handy because let's say 00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:14.160 i'm looking at um i don't know bessie messier 00:30:14.160 --> 00:30:17.039 or whatever and then i which is her name which 00:30:17.039 --> 00:30:21.099 looks quite cool name um and you know it'll say 00:30:21.099 --> 00:30:23.859 where their parents were like dad ireland mum 00:30:23.859 --> 00:30:25.500 scotland don't quit me on that but i can't but 00:30:25.500 --> 00:30:27.920 you know that's really helpful going i just think 00:30:27.920 --> 00:30:30.019 they were born there And I have to do all the 00:30:30.019 --> 00:30:31.420 things that I keep telling you to do because 00:30:31.420 --> 00:30:33.259 I'm really unfamiliar with the documents. I keep 00:30:33.259 --> 00:30:36.000 having to scroll up to the top and read all the 00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:38.000 column headings really, really diligently to 00:30:38.000 --> 00:30:40.039 go, what is this information? What's it telling 00:30:40.039 --> 00:30:43.720 me? What's this random word? Yeah, that's good 00:30:43.720 --> 00:30:47.119 practice. I think, again, going back to me, that's 00:30:47.119 --> 00:30:49.940 my problem at the moment. I'm sort of snatch 00:30:49.940 --> 00:30:52.299 and grab, snatch and grab, grab and snatch, whichever. 00:30:52.740 --> 00:30:54.920 I'm going and getting information as quickly 00:30:54.920 --> 00:30:56.799 as I can. I'm not actually just sitting down 00:30:56.799 --> 00:31:00.640 and willing to learn. I think I'm clearly getting 00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:03.839 to the point where I do need to slow myself down, 00:31:04.019 --> 00:31:06.680 really take these older documents in and get 00:31:06.680 --> 00:31:08.740 comfortable instead of just getting scared and 00:31:08.740 --> 00:31:12.059 not really getting anything done. Yeah. So I 00:31:12.059 --> 00:31:14.940 think learning about the documents is so useful 00:31:14.940 --> 00:31:19.099 because partly the information that is given 00:31:19.099 --> 00:31:22.339 there, then you're understanding what you're 00:31:22.339 --> 00:31:25.019 actually being told and you're not kind of adding 00:31:25.019 --> 00:31:29.180 two and two and making five. But also you're 00:31:29.180 --> 00:31:31.799 noticing every, you're turning over every single, 00:31:31.920 --> 00:31:35.119 every clue that is given, you're getting every 00:31:35.119 --> 00:31:38.059 bit of juice out of it, aren't you? Yeah. But 00:31:38.059 --> 00:31:40.839 then also you're learning that as you go back 00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:43.960 in time, some of the records just aren't very 00:31:43.960 --> 00:31:45.900 detailed. You're not being stupid that you haven't 00:31:45.900 --> 00:31:48.559 managed to extract a bit of information from 00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:50.960 it. It just wasn't recorded on it. You're not 00:31:50.960 --> 00:31:54.559 daft. Get what you can and then keep thinking, 00:31:54.619 --> 00:31:56.940 right, how else can I try and accomplish? this 00:31:56.940 --> 00:32:00.740 goal of getting those details. Yeah. Slightly 00:32:00.740 --> 00:32:04.460 more challenging, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. We've 00:32:04.460 --> 00:32:08.480 got some really cool things happening soon, which 00:32:08.480 --> 00:32:10.119 are really going to be really helpful to loads 00:32:10.119 --> 00:32:11.759 of people. I'm excited about them. Shall I talk 00:32:11.759 --> 00:32:13.660 about them a little bit? Please do. Please do. 00:32:14.180 --> 00:32:17.640 Okay. Well, write very, very soon. If you're 00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:19.680 listening to this on the day it comes out, then 00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:22.480 the very next day, then we have our research 00:32:22.480 --> 00:32:24.259 skills studio. So that's absolutely fantastic. 00:32:24.440 --> 00:32:26.700 It's a four week course with Dr. Sophie Kay. 00:32:26.900 --> 00:32:29.859 And in there, she teaches us lots of research 00:32:29.859 --> 00:32:34.680 and search skills and research log, a bit of 00:32:34.680 --> 00:32:37.180 a research log boot camp. So for anybody who 00:32:37.180 --> 00:32:39.940 is naughty like us and fallen off the research 00:32:39.940 --> 00:32:42.819 log bandwagon, honestly, over the years, I've 00:32:42.819 --> 00:32:45.920 kept them and not kept them. always regret not 00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:49.079 keeping them and I always feel impossibly smug 00:32:49.079 --> 00:32:51.099 and pleased with myself when I do keep them it's 00:32:51.099 --> 00:32:54.200 they're so useful we've got that coming up so 00:32:54.200 --> 00:32:56.420 if anybody would like to put themselves on there 00:32:56.420 --> 00:32:58.839 there's still time it's the research skills studio 00:32:58.839 --> 00:33:02.099 and it starts on the 7th of April and you can 00:33:02.099 --> 00:33:04.460 find out more about it on our website and then 00:33:04.460 --> 00:33:07.579 another thing we've got lined up in the May issue 00:33:07.579 --> 00:33:09.799 of from a tree which is coming out very very 00:33:09.799 --> 00:33:11.559 soon in a few days time if you're listening to 00:33:11.559 --> 00:33:14.779 this live on the day the podcast comes out then 00:33:14.779 --> 00:33:17.019 we've got well the whole issue is jam -packed 00:33:17.019 --> 00:33:19.079 with useful stuff there's an article by mike 00:33:19.079 --> 00:33:21.440 gould and he's i think he's a systems engineer 00:33:21.440 --> 00:33:23.559 and he's got a very kind of scientific background 00:33:23.559 --> 00:33:26.220 he's written an article about how to do accurate 00:33:26.220 --> 00:33:30.599 research so that's just useful stuff david annal 00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:32.359 in that issue is reminding us about the value 00:33:32.359 --> 00:33:34.680 of original records there's lots of stuff to 00:33:34.680 --> 00:33:36.339 kind of you think right i need a little bit of 00:33:36.339 --> 00:33:40.740 a pep talk to get myself my research you know 00:33:40.740 --> 00:33:42.400 sharpen up my research skills there's lots and 00:33:42.400 --> 00:33:44.319 lots of stuff in there and then the next thing 00:33:44.319 --> 00:33:47.480 is this is going to be starting in June really 00:33:47.480 --> 00:33:50.440 but Julie Johnson's going to be taking us over 00:33:50.440 --> 00:33:52.359 a year this is where it's really relevant to 00:33:52.359 --> 00:33:55.079 you Nathan every month in the magazine she's 00:33:55.079 --> 00:33:57.180 going to be researching somebody's life story 00:33:57.180 --> 00:33:59.900 but every month looking at different records 00:33:59.900 --> 00:34:03.200 to help build up their life story from their 00:34:03.200 --> 00:34:06.240 birth going all the way through 12 months later 00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:09.349 to their death obviously not twice 12 issues 00:34:09.349 --> 00:34:11.449 in the past and it was a long, long life. Yeah. 00:34:11.710 --> 00:34:14.250 So, but anyway, she's going to be covering all 00:34:14.250 --> 00:34:16.449 sorts of records which are useful for 19th and 00:34:16.449 --> 00:34:19.550 20th century research. Well, it sounds really 00:34:19.550 --> 00:34:23.409 good. Really good. Yeah. I'll be reading that 00:34:23.409 --> 00:34:26.090 as I lay the pages out. You will. You will. Yes, 00:34:26.190 --> 00:34:28.849 you're going to find it super useful. Have we 00:34:28.849 --> 00:34:34.210 had any fun podcast mail? Yes, we have. I had 00:34:34.210 --> 00:34:39.289 a quick hint slash tip from Frances on... Oh, 00:34:39.630 --> 00:34:41.750 yeah. She was talking about the stresses of using 00:34:41.750 --> 00:34:44.349 research logs from obviously us two saying about 00:34:44.349 --> 00:34:48.010 how we are in and out of them. It suggested that 00:34:48.010 --> 00:34:51.349 maybe we just use a microphone and do voice notes. 00:34:52.170 --> 00:34:55.690 Yes. We've all got access to mobile phones with 00:34:55.690 --> 00:34:58.989 speech recorders. Yes. It's a quick way to do 00:34:58.989 --> 00:35:01.469 it. If you can't actually get your time to actually 00:35:01.469 --> 00:35:04.690 go down and open a Word document and start typing. 00:35:05.090 --> 00:35:08.599 Yes. Do it live. It is a good idea. Another thing 00:35:08.599 --> 00:35:12.719 I thought is, even if I don't do a research log, 00:35:12.920 --> 00:35:15.159 even if you didn't... So I really hope that I 00:35:15.159 --> 00:35:16.820 am going to get back into the research log thing. 00:35:16.980 --> 00:35:19.219 But let's say I don't. The thing I've been mulling 00:35:19.219 --> 00:35:20.940 about, but haven't even done this yet, is the 00:35:20.940 --> 00:35:23.880 thought of once a week, just write up a journal 00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:27.800 piece to myself. I could put it as a blog if 00:35:27.800 --> 00:35:29.940 it's got things which might interest other people, 00:35:30.059 --> 00:35:34.559 other family members. But just write a... Get 00:35:34.559 --> 00:35:37.099 a journal and once a week go, this is what I've 00:35:37.099 --> 00:35:38.559 been thinking about and this is what I've been 00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:40.659 doing in my family history. And I think even 00:35:40.659 --> 00:35:43.320 that would be useful. Looking back over a year, 00:35:43.400 --> 00:35:45.280 just imagine you did that for a year. You have 00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:48.559 52 little pieces. They might even be just 50 00:35:48.559 --> 00:35:50.820 if you wrote one side of a piece of paper. If 00:35:50.820 --> 00:35:53.000 you have 52 of them at the end of the year and 00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:55.239 look back and go, wow, I'd forgotten I was doing 00:35:55.239 --> 00:35:57.599 this. And it would be just a really enjoyable 00:35:57.599 --> 00:36:00.219 thing to reflect back on. Yeah, it's a simple 00:36:00.219 --> 00:36:01.699 way to chart your journey as well, isn't it? 00:36:01.960 --> 00:36:04.900 And it won't be super detailed, but you could 00:36:04.900 --> 00:36:08.619 have the key headline act. Yeah, if it gives 00:36:08.619 --> 00:36:10.579 you enough to get back to where you want to be 00:36:10.579 --> 00:36:13.460 on that particular branch, then that works really 00:36:13.460 --> 00:36:16.059 well. It sounds so simple when you say it like 00:36:16.059 --> 00:36:18.539 that as well. Like, oh, yeah, just one note a 00:36:18.539 --> 00:36:23.119 week. It's attainable, isn't it? I think your 00:36:23.119 --> 00:36:25.539 enthusiasm is making me think, I am going to 00:36:25.539 --> 00:36:27.920 do this. I'm definitely going to do this. Because... 00:36:28.940 --> 00:36:31.880 When I do do research logs, I have definitely 00:36:31.880 --> 00:36:34.079 sometimes gone a little bit on research notes. 00:36:34.119 --> 00:36:36.719 Sometimes I go a bit over the top, a bit too 00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:38.980 much of a good thing, and then I have too much 00:36:38.980 --> 00:36:42.260 to wade through. Well, like you say, something 00:36:42.260 --> 00:36:45.119 done badly, I can't remember your phrase, something 00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:47.199 done badly is better than not done at all. So 00:36:47.199 --> 00:36:50.440 if you can just literally go in and say, this 00:36:50.440 --> 00:36:52.699 week I've done nothing, and it's as simple as 00:36:52.699 --> 00:36:56.079 that, but next week you've done something, that's 00:36:56.079 --> 00:36:58.619 better, isn't it, than nothing? I'm going to 00:36:58.619 --> 00:37:01.559 try that. Okay, shall we both do it? Yeah, I've 00:37:01.559 --> 00:37:03.679 got really high pitch then, so I must be interested. 00:37:04.179 --> 00:37:09.320 That's good. And I think I might go really old 00:37:09.320 --> 00:37:11.760 school and just write it on a piece of paper, 00:37:11.860 --> 00:37:16.119 like in a book. Nice. My year of family history. 00:37:17.179 --> 00:37:20.840 Lovely. Shall we talk about this amazing email 00:37:20.840 --> 00:37:24.579 we've had from podcast listener Neil? Yeah, go 00:37:24.579 --> 00:37:29.559 for it. Okay, so... Neil, we asked a while ago 00:37:29.559 --> 00:37:32.280 for people to let us know if they had a tree 00:37:32.280 --> 00:37:35.519 score above 9 .8, i .e. Nathan, have you got 00:37:35.519 --> 00:37:37.760 any contenders, anyone who's as good as you? 00:37:38.239 --> 00:37:42.440 And, well, Neil has now. So I'll read out his 00:37:42.440 --> 00:37:44.960 email. He says, well, finally, after starting 00:37:44.960 --> 00:37:49.280 with a tree score of 9 .4 and over 500 errors 00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:51.840 back at the beginning of August last year, he 00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:55.199 has finally got his score to 9 .9. Congratulations, 00:37:55.820 --> 00:37:59.150 Neil. Nice one. Well done. Yes. Are you feeling 00:37:59.150 --> 00:38:00.690 nervous, Nathan, that you're going to get beaten? 00:38:01.289 --> 00:38:07.289 Yes. Okay. Always. Well, it's fun. I think having 00:38:07.289 --> 00:38:10.150 a competition is a bit of fun, isn't it? Anyway, 00:38:10.190 --> 00:38:12.130 he says he's very, very pleased, but he's still 00:38:12.130 --> 00:38:15.110 got 97 errors left to fix, which he plans to 00:38:15.110 --> 00:38:17.269 fix them soon. And he's going to let us know 00:38:17.269 --> 00:38:20.190 if he reaches the magic score of 10, which if 00:38:20.190 --> 00:38:22.070 you have found out is going to be called the 00:38:22.070 --> 00:38:24.500 elite. So anyone who actually have... has a score 00:38:24.500 --> 00:38:26.960 of 10 on that ancestry tree. It's called an elite 00:38:26.960 --> 00:38:29.579 researcher, which is fantastic. And then he's 00:38:29.579 --> 00:38:31.579 shared a few statistics about his tree, which 00:38:31.579 --> 00:38:36.000 are impressive as well. He's got 3 ,527 people, 00:38:36.260 --> 00:38:45.360 496 photos, 9 ,621 records. Yes. Wow. That's 00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:47.280 a lot of stats. That really actually puts my 00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:49.800 tree score to shame then, doesn't it? Like my 00:38:49.800 --> 00:38:54.039 9 .9 is based on like 200, 300 people. To have 00:38:54.039 --> 00:38:56.559 that many people on your tree and be 9 .9, that's 00:38:56.559 --> 00:38:59.219 some doing, isn't it? Well, it is really impressive, 00:38:59.380 --> 00:39:02.539 but don't denigrate yourself. I think it's really 00:39:02.539 --> 00:39:04.800 amazing what you're doing already. So, yeah, 00:39:04.880 --> 00:39:07.239 keep going. Yeah, but hats off to Neil. That's 00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:11.199 amazing. It is really amazing, isn't it? He's 00:39:11.199 --> 00:39:17.440 got 265 direct ancestors on his tree. Like you 00:39:17.440 --> 00:39:19.840 and me, he's got all of his three times great 00:39:19.840 --> 00:39:22.000 grandparents, all 32 of his three times great 00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:25.769 grandparents. Out of his three times great grandparents, 00:39:26.030 --> 00:39:30.150 15 of them, he's confirmed with DNA matches as 00:39:30.150 --> 00:39:32.730 well. So that's exciting. And then he's given 00:39:32.730 --> 00:39:34.969 us further details about going back through the 00:39:34.969 --> 00:39:38.969 generations. And he's got fewer and fewer of 00:39:38.969 --> 00:39:41.409 the preceding generations. When he gets back 00:39:41.409 --> 00:39:43.710 to his nine times great grandparents, he's got 00:39:43.710 --> 00:39:48.550 one of his 2 ,048 nine times great grandparents. 00:39:50.110 --> 00:39:51.849 Maybe he's a little bit like you in this respect. 00:39:51.909 --> 00:39:54.750 He says every single one of these ancestors he's 00:39:54.750 --> 00:39:59.449 found is from England. Nice. How irritating. 00:40:00.010 --> 00:40:02.349 Nine times, though. That's really good, isn't 00:40:02.349 --> 00:40:06.469 it? Wow. Yeah. I'm terrified that I won't get 00:40:06.469 --> 00:40:09.110 past my fifth, but nine, that's really good. 00:40:09.110 --> 00:40:12.519 Really amazing. And he said also he's been, he's 00:40:12.519 --> 00:40:14.780 doing everything. He's just on fire. Neil's on 00:40:14.780 --> 00:40:17.539 fire. He says he's had to start learning about 00:40:17.539 --> 00:40:19.800 records in Australia, Canada, New Zealand and 00:40:19.800 --> 00:40:23.480 America because he's also researching his tree 00:40:23.480 --> 00:40:26.820 doing the down and out method. So, like me, he's 00:40:26.820 --> 00:40:28.860 suddenly had to branch out to these overseas 00:40:28.860 --> 00:40:31.800 records. Yeah. Well, overseas from the British 00:40:31.800 --> 00:40:34.260 Isles perspective anyway. I'm a little bit terrified. 00:40:34.340 --> 00:40:36.340 Imagine your tree is that big with that many 00:40:36.340 --> 00:40:38.320 people and I don't know how you would manage 00:40:38.320 --> 00:40:41.239 it and keep it organised. I guess a good research 00:40:41.239 --> 00:40:44.139 log is the answer. But that's a lot of people 00:40:44.139 --> 00:40:48.239 to contend with, isn't it? You have to be in 00:40:48.239 --> 00:40:51.679 the know and on the ball for that. I think a 00:40:51.679 --> 00:40:54.280 research log would do some of it, but I think 00:40:54.280 --> 00:40:58.079 also just the tree itself, if we use the tools 00:40:58.079 --> 00:41:01.099 that the tree gives us, then in a way that is 00:41:01.099 --> 00:41:04.559 a really... super comprehensive thing, isn't 00:41:04.559 --> 00:41:06.519 it? So you've got your tree with thousands of 00:41:06.519 --> 00:41:10.000 people on, like Neil, if you do, or even if you've 00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:11.840 just got hundreds, it's hard to keep track of 00:41:11.840 --> 00:41:13.940 hundreds. But it has capacity there, doesn't 00:41:13.940 --> 00:41:17.179 it, for us to add our sources, for us to add 00:41:17.179 --> 00:41:20.900 images, for us to see their story in a timeline, 00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:23.460 for us to add notes about them. And even if the 00:41:23.460 --> 00:41:27.300 notes field isn't big enough, we can add word 00:41:27.300 --> 00:41:29.420 documents and things ourselves. We can add these 00:41:29.420 --> 00:41:33.559 things. So that's okay. The other 3 ,000 times. 00:41:33.659 --> 00:41:38.980 Oh, boy. Yes. Yes. Oh, wow. That's brilliant. 00:41:40.460 --> 00:41:44.719 Yes, really good. I'm impressed. And it shows 00:41:44.719 --> 00:41:48.199 it's possible as well. It does. Yeah. I mean, 00:41:48.199 --> 00:41:51.039 what a contrast. The friend doing the free trial 00:41:51.039 --> 00:41:53.739 and just whacking out a tree in a seven -day 00:41:53.739 --> 00:41:57.199 free trial and then somebody with thousands of 00:41:57.199 --> 00:41:58.900 people on their tree and still an amazing tree 00:41:58.900 --> 00:42:02.190 school. Yeah. It can appeal to everyone, can't 00:42:02.190 --> 00:42:03.510 it, I guess, in different ways. It can, yeah, 00:42:03.789 --> 00:42:06.789 yeah, yeah. I think that's the whole point of 00:42:06.789 --> 00:42:10.090 it. Yeah, definitely. So are we just going to 00:42:10.090 --> 00:42:14.590 carry on next week then? Yes, I am going to try 00:42:14.590 --> 00:42:17.929 and find more out about Joseph Blackburn and 00:42:17.929 --> 00:42:20.150 Catherine Blackburn, see if I can find anything 00:42:20.150 --> 00:42:23.170 to do with this wedding. I do want to just get 00:42:23.170 --> 00:42:25.230 lost in somebody. You know, like when I got lost 00:42:25.230 --> 00:42:27.050 in George Horatio Nelson, that was fabulous. 00:42:27.329 --> 00:42:29.750 I loved all that. I want that sort of involvement. 00:42:30.449 --> 00:42:32.530 But you can't force these things, can you? You 00:42:32.530 --> 00:42:35.550 find your hook or you don't. So I'll try and 00:42:35.550 --> 00:42:38.650 do that. Oh, I'll say it out loud, but I probably 00:42:38.650 --> 00:42:40.590 won't do it. I'll try and find the death dates 00:42:40.590 --> 00:42:42.510 for my three missing two times great grandparents 00:42:42.510 --> 00:42:47.210 death dates. That's it. And I'll write a weekly 00:42:47.210 --> 00:42:51.650 note saying what I haven't done. Hey, nice. I'm 00:42:51.650 --> 00:42:54.110 going to carry on with my down and out. Don't 00:42:54.110 --> 00:42:56.010 know where it's going to take me. I just know 00:42:56.010 --> 00:42:59.050 it'll be interesting though. And I'm going to 00:42:59.050 --> 00:43:02.090 do my weekly note. We could read our weekly notes 00:43:02.090 --> 00:43:05.650 out. We could do that. Every week. Okay, let's 00:43:05.650 --> 00:43:08.650 do that. Yes. Today I lied to the podcast viewers 00:43:08.650 --> 00:43:10.389 and told them I was going to do some research. 00:43:11.429 --> 00:43:15.789 And if anybody else, anybody listening decides 00:43:15.789 --> 00:43:17.909 they want to start doing a weekly note, just 00:43:17.909 --> 00:43:20.309 as a kind of gentle genealogy journaling thing 00:43:20.309 --> 00:43:23.210 rather than a really official research log, then 00:43:23.210 --> 00:43:26.789 do send us your weekly note, depending on how 00:43:26.789 --> 00:43:29.239 long it is. We will read out all of it or some 00:43:29.239 --> 00:43:32.940 of it. And I think that sounds fun. I'm invested 00:43:32.940 --> 00:43:35.579 in this idea. I actually think it's really attainable. 00:43:36.019 --> 00:43:39.420 Yeah. I feel guilt with the research log. I feel 00:43:39.420 --> 00:43:42.639 like, like you've said, I can get too involved 00:43:42.639 --> 00:43:44.679 in it and put too much details and put too many 00:43:44.679 --> 00:43:46.800 random questions that just sound like splurge 00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:50.139 from my head. But an actual just quick summary 00:43:50.139 --> 00:43:53.940 of what I've done this week. It is attainable. 00:43:55.199 --> 00:43:57.739 I guess we'll find out how useful it is in a 00:43:57.739 --> 00:44:00.460 few months' time. We'll be like, oh, yeah. And 00:44:00.460 --> 00:44:02.340 literally, when we press stop on this podcast 00:44:02.340 --> 00:44:04.920 recording, then I am going to go and get myself 00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:07.059 a lovely notebook. I always have a stash of notebooks. 00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:09.480 I'm going to get a brand new one out, and it's 00:44:09.480 --> 00:44:12.480 going to be my little journal. And I'm quite 00:44:12.480 --> 00:44:15.820 a forgetful person, so I have to have it in plain 00:44:15.820 --> 00:44:17.739 sight. It can't be stashed on a shelf. It needs 00:44:17.739 --> 00:44:20.340 to be left somewhere that I keep coming across 00:44:20.340 --> 00:44:22.019 it. And I go, oh, yes, I'm doing that. I'm filling 00:44:22.019 --> 00:44:24.050 that in. Well, I don't have one, so I'm going 00:44:24.050 --> 00:44:25.510 to have to go shopping for one, but that's great 00:44:25.510 --> 00:44:28.030 because I love biostationary. Yes, yes. It'll 00:44:28.030 --> 00:44:32.670 be a nice task for the weekend. Really nice. 00:44:33.449 --> 00:44:35.150 Okay, bye then. Thanks for listening, everybody, 00:44:35.269 --> 00:44:37.909 and we'll see you all next time. Yep. Happy researching.