WEBVTT 00:00:06.250 --> 00:00:08.869 Hello everybody, welcome to Family Tree Talk, 00:00:08.929 --> 00:00:11.269 your favourite Family Tree podcast. I'm your 00:00:11.269 --> 00:00:14.369 co -host Nathan Ward and with me as always is 00:00:14.369 --> 00:00:18.250 the very croaky... Hello Dovey! Not that bad 00:00:18.250 --> 00:00:20.670 but my voice might tune in and out a little bit 00:00:20.670 --> 00:00:24.010 so if it does, any listener, then it's not your 00:00:24.010 --> 00:00:26.109 device you're listening on, it's just me. It's 00:00:26.109 --> 00:00:30.100 just human failure this week. Poor Helen. Well, 00:00:30.140 --> 00:00:31.760 as long as you're okay enough to talk to me, 00:00:31.780 --> 00:00:33.880 that's good. Well, yes. Do you know what? I think, 00:00:33.880 --> 00:00:35.740 as ever, family history is very good for taking 00:00:35.740 --> 00:00:38.299 your mind off your woes and you forget that you've 00:00:38.299 --> 00:00:40.539 got a sore throat or a headache and things while 00:00:40.539 --> 00:00:43.140 you dig it. It is. It's all involving, isn't 00:00:43.140 --> 00:00:46.479 it? You can get totally lost in it. So what have 00:00:46.479 --> 00:00:50.700 you been up to? Well, I have to admit that I 00:00:50.700 --> 00:00:53.640 have been being seriously helped by somebody. 00:00:54.179 --> 00:00:58.399 Yeah. Really? I know. So anyone who reads Family 00:00:58.399 --> 00:01:00.979 Tree magazine, they will have noticed Mary Evans' 00:01:01.179 --> 00:01:04.799 name and she pops up on the Q &A pages. fairly 00:01:04.799 --> 00:01:07.760 frequently over the years she's done many articles 00:01:07.760 --> 00:01:09.840 on us on really good research skills solving 00:01:09.840 --> 00:01:12.519 brick walls things like that and many many years 00:01:12.519 --> 00:01:14.620 ago back in the day we used to have a forum and 00:01:14.620 --> 00:01:17.379 she was um so active on the forum helping people 00:01:17.379 --> 00:01:20.739 out and in the past she has helped me make really 00:01:20.739 --> 00:01:23.019 cool discoveries in my family history so I'm 00:01:23.019 --> 00:01:25.299 really grateful to her anyway we had a webinar 00:01:25.299 --> 00:01:28.959 recently and I um mentioned have I ever mentioned 00:01:28.959 --> 00:01:32.420 Marianne Pickering before so I'm like no no So 00:01:32.420 --> 00:01:35.799 I was banging on about Mary Ann Pickering, even 00:01:35.799 --> 00:01:39.599 outside the podcast, the spade of my life. And 00:01:39.599 --> 00:01:42.659 Mary very kindly offered to take a look at it. 00:01:42.659 --> 00:01:48.859 And so I will freely admit that my research. 00:01:49.500 --> 00:01:52.840 logging skills and um application are hit and 00:01:52.840 --> 00:01:55.900 miss i do know in theory exactly what to do sometimes 00:01:55.900 --> 00:01:59.519 i do it and you would think i am just like an 00:01:59.519 --> 00:02:01.739 a class student and how does she find the time 00:02:01.739 --> 00:02:04.200 she's so organized and at other times you'd think 00:02:04.200 --> 00:02:07.280 has she ever ever given herself five minutes 00:02:07.280 --> 00:02:09.340 to get any genealogy education because i just 00:02:09.340 --> 00:02:10.939 i'm not writing anything down and there's no 00:02:10.939 --> 00:02:13.419 evidence i've done anything at all anyway by 00:02:13.419 --> 00:02:15.520 chance the mary i'm bickering because she is 00:02:15.520 --> 00:02:20.409 such a uh just like a little a genealogy gremlin 00:02:20.409 --> 00:02:22.229 to me that I just can't get through the problem. 00:02:22.389 --> 00:02:25.210 I've written copious notes on her. So I bunged 00:02:25.210 --> 00:02:28.210 over to poor Mary, like 3 ,000 words about what 00:02:28.210 --> 00:02:31.830 I've not found about Mary at Pickerig and some 00:02:31.830 --> 00:02:34.110 little documents, what I had found, things like 00:02:34.110 --> 00:02:37.090 that. And so Mary has been taking a look and 00:02:37.090 --> 00:02:39.389 she thinks she's found some things, but she's... 00:02:39.629 --> 00:02:41.210 I'm kind of pleased she's finding it hard to 00:02:41.210 --> 00:02:43.650 make progress on Mary as well. Because it's kind 00:02:43.650 --> 00:02:45.330 of a mixed blessing, isn't it? You think, well, 00:02:45.330 --> 00:02:47.349 I'm not completely stupid because someone else 00:02:47.349 --> 00:02:49.289 is finding it hard too. But also it would be 00:02:49.289 --> 00:02:51.849 really lovely to be able to find out, make big 00:02:51.849 --> 00:02:54.849 strides with her. Anyway, so Mary did what is 00:02:54.849 --> 00:02:58.569 a great tactic when things aren't kind of getting 00:02:58.569 --> 00:03:01.050 up ahead of steam enough and you feel like you're 00:03:01.050 --> 00:03:03.659 just getting a bit stuck. And she's like, well, 00:03:03.719 --> 00:03:06.240 I'm going to take a look at her husband and see 00:03:06.240 --> 00:03:08.780 what I can find out about him. And her husband 00:03:08.780 --> 00:03:11.740 was also someone I hadn't, I wouldn't say I got 00:03:11.740 --> 00:03:13.099 a brick wall on him because I'd never really, 00:03:13.139 --> 00:03:15.580 I'd kind of found what I could easily enough. 00:03:16.360 --> 00:03:20.180 get him baptised in 1833. His name is Thomas 00:03:20.180 --> 00:03:22.599 Jones, which is like, if you're not going to 00:03:22.599 --> 00:03:24.500 have Smith, the next kind of worst option is 00:03:24.500 --> 00:03:27.139 pretty much Jones, isn't it? Tom Jones. Yeah, 00:03:27.319 --> 00:03:30.340 yeah. Anyway, so he's from Mary. That's not unusual, 00:03:30.539 --> 00:03:32.759 is it? I know. Well, this is how it gets even 00:03:32.759 --> 00:03:37.159 better. So Mary has brilliantly found out Tom, 00:03:37.300 --> 00:03:39.460 because I only had an inferred date of his baptism, 00:03:39.539 --> 00:03:41.099 actually, to be fair to me, or to be fair to 00:03:41.099 --> 00:03:43.379 Mary. That was from the census. Mary actually 00:03:43.379 --> 00:03:45.710 found his birth. baptism record she thinks she's 00:03:45.710 --> 00:03:49.250 like 99 sure guess what his dad's called tom 00:03:49.250 --> 00:03:53.409 tom jones and then mary also managed to find 00:03:53.409 --> 00:03:57.830 this mary's which is not mary ann pickering actually 00:03:57.830 --> 00:04:01.770 it's the generation before mary and this so i 00:04:01.770 --> 00:04:03.629 don't know we've got mary ann pickering who married 00:04:03.629 --> 00:04:05.490 thomas jones who also has a son called thomas 00:04:05.490 --> 00:04:08.650 jones and then because mary couldn't find anything 00:04:08.650 --> 00:04:10.009 about mary ann pickering she thought right i'm 00:04:10.009 --> 00:04:12.530 going to try and find out Thomas Jones' dad. 00:04:12.669 --> 00:04:14.469 So Thomas Jones' dad is called Thomas Jones. 00:04:14.750 --> 00:04:17.829 And then she managed to find this Mary, which 00:04:17.829 --> 00:04:19.550 is Mary Ann Pickering's mum, who's also called 00:04:19.550 --> 00:04:22.449 Mary. So Mary Ann Pickering's mum, Mary. Oh my 00:04:22.449 --> 00:04:26.089 God. She found, and who's married Thomas Jones? 00:04:26.209 --> 00:04:28.769 She found, obviously on their marriage certificate, 00:04:28.970 --> 00:04:31.110 guess what Mary Ann Pickering's dad is called? 00:04:31.410 --> 00:04:34.790 Oh God, is it Tom? It's Thomas Jones as well. 00:04:35.430 --> 00:04:39.009 This just sounds like me last week. I'm sorry 00:04:39.009 --> 00:04:41.089 if I confused anyone, but it is funny, isn't 00:04:41.089 --> 00:04:43.970 it? It's ridiculous. It's like, oh, it's such 00:04:43.970 --> 00:04:45.730 a cute thing. They've named themselves after 00:04:45.730 --> 00:04:47.750 their family. And then you get that happening. 00:04:47.910 --> 00:04:49.850 It is literally what happened to me last week, 00:04:49.889 --> 00:04:53.370 isn't it? And then you look at the same names 00:04:53.370 --> 00:04:55.889 and you're like, which person am I looking at 00:04:55.889 --> 00:04:58.050 now? Which generation am I researching? And you 00:04:58.050 --> 00:05:01.970 get so confused. It's chaos. Yes. So I've now 00:05:01.970 --> 00:05:03.990 got two branches of my tree, which have got runs 00:05:03.990 --> 00:05:06.910 of Thomas Jones on them. Oh, other names are 00:05:06.910 --> 00:05:10.410 available. But it's funny. And I'm really, really 00:05:10.410 --> 00:05:13.470 grateful to Mary. What is amazing about Mary, 00:05:13.529 --> 00:05:17.839 and this is, I probably said it before. You know 00:05:17.839 --> 00:05:19.360 when you get stuck on a brick wall and you feel 00:05:19.360 --> 00:05:21.379 like, oh, you've looked high and low and maybe 00:05:21.379 --> 00:05:23.199 you should look in different record collections 00:05:23.199 --> 00:05:27.079 and maybe you need to go to an archive. No disrespect 00:05:27.079 --> 00:05:29.899 to archives. She does actually use archives heaps. 00:05:29.899 --> 00:05:32.779 She's always going to archives. But what Mary 00:05:32.779 --> 00:05:36.180 manages to do is she has a phenomenal brain on 00:05:36.180 --> 00:05:38.879 her, really good at analysis and deduction. And 00:05:38.879 --> 00:05:41.660 so she will pretty much solve brick walls just 00:05:41.660 --> 00:05:45.120 using birth, marriage and death records or if 00:05:45.120 --> 00:05:49.199 it's pre... civil registration, baptism, marriage 00:05:49.199 --> 00:05:51.300 and burial records, and also census records. 00:05:51.379 --> 00:05:54.079 She only uses those key records, like the records 00:05:54.079 --> 00:05:56.939 that we all kind of start off with, and without 00:05:56.939 --> 00:05:59.300 branching out beyond them, just by being such 00:05:59.300 --> 00:06:02.759 a terrier, casting a really wide net, and then 00:06:02.759 --> 00:06:06.279 gradually crossing off all the people who couldn't 00:06:06.279 --> 00:06:08.399 be possible, she dwindles it down to the correct 00:06:08.399 --> 00:06:10.740 people. And she's done it time and time again. 00:06:10.839 --> 00:06:13.319 I've watched her do it loads with readers. I've 00:06:13.319 --> 00:06:15.509 just... working on the q a pages of the magazine 00:06:15.509 --> 00:06:18.810 and she's done it again for another reader and 00:06:18.810 --> 00:06:20.829 going and you mean and the reader was at the 00:06:20.829 --> 00:06:22.350 point they'd done really good research to be 00:06:22.350 --> 00:06:23.990 fair to them and they just wanted a second pair 00:06:23.990 --> 00:06:25.990 of eyes on the situation mary looked through 00:06:25.990 --> 00:06:27.769 the second pair of eyes saw additional things 00:06:27.769 --> 00:06:30.069 because she does she has her bionic eyes and 00:06:30.069 --> 00:06:32.250 um has solved the problem so i think that's a 00:06:32.250 --> 00:06:35.449 really encouraging lesson to all of us that sometimes 00:06:35.449 --> 00:06:37.689 we don't need to kind of go out to pastors new 00:06:37.689 --> 00:06:40.430 or find new records we just need to get a really 00:06:40.430 --> 00:06:43.629 good set of research steps in our head so that 00:06:43.629 --> 00:06:45.410 we can be really thorough, really methodical. 00:06:46.069 --> 00:06:48.269 Right, that sounds great. Or get someone else 00:06:48.269 --> 00:06:50.730 to do it for you. Or get someone else to do it 00:06:50.730 --> 00:06:53.509 for you who has those amazing steps. That's not 00:06:53.509 --> 00:06:56.310 a bad plan either because it's all experience, 00:06:56.589 --> 00:06:59.949 isn't it? And I think Mary has a natural aptitude 00:06:59.949 --> 00:07:02.290 for it and she does have a whole heap of experience 00:07:02.290 --> 00:07:04.430 as well, so the combination is just a superpower. 00:07:05.250 --> 00:07:08.779 Nice one. Yeah. So you've made progress and you 00:07:08.779 --> 00:07:10.980 feel like she's unstuck then, Mary Ann Pickering? 00:07:11.399 --> 00:07:14.819 Yes, I think it's really exciting, yeah. That's 00:07:14.819 --> 00:07:16.839 cool. I think it's going to be one of those things 00:07:16.839 --> 00:07:19.480 that I'm going to, I wouldn't say I'm going to 00:07:19.480 --> 00:07:22.139 go running headlong into the distance making 00:07:22.139 --> 00:07:24.939 loads of fast progress because I now got these 00:07:24.939 --> 00:07:27.399 two branches both with runs of Thomas Jones on 00:07:27.399 --> 00:07:30.300 them and we've got to the time period that you 00:07:30.300 --> 00:07:33.319 say you find daunting you when you get back to 00:07:33.319 --> 00:07:36.500 it. The 1830s, you've kind of jumped off the 00:07:36.500 --> 00:07:40.000 cliff. There's no more easy censuses to peg our 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:44.079 research on. There's no easy birth, marriage 00:07:44.079 --> 00:07:46.319 and deaths. We're looking at the parish registers, 00:07:46.399 --> 00:07:49.339 which aren't necessarily so readily accessible. 00:07:51.180 --> 00:07:53.180 Societies on the move a lot from their little 00:07:53.180 --> 00:07:55.139 rural communities, quite a lot of them, into 00:07:55.139 --> 00:07:59.379 urban areas. So in my family, I find that they're 00:07:59.379 --> 00:08:02.759 moving from Shropshire and... all over Yorkshire 00:08:02.759 --> 00:08:04.160 and everything. And there was loads of them ending 00:08:04.160 --> 00:08:06.519 up in Liverpool. So they end up kind of feeling 00:08:06.519 --> 00:08:09.579 quite rootless because they're just there. Liverpool. 00:08:09.779 --> 00:08:11.560 And you're like, so I've got Tom Jones in Liverpool 00:08:11.560 --> 00:08:14.160 and I need to now find where on earth in the 00:08:14.160 --> 00:08:17.560 country he's come from before then. That's exciting. 00:08:17.980 --> 00:08:20.579 It sounds terrifying as well. It's really exciting 00:08:20.579 --> 00:08:23.339 though. Yeah. Yeah, I'm so grateful to Mary. 00:08:23.620 --> 00:08:26.740 Yeah. That's brilliant. It's not just me who 00:08:26.740 --> 00:08:28.899 can benefit from these amazing perks. It doesn't 00:08:28.899 --> 00:08:31.319 happen to me very often, I have to say. What 00:08:31.319 --> 00:08:34.299 I mean is I don't abuse my position as having 00:08:34.299 --> 00:08:36.840 access to lovely experts. It was just pure luck 00:08:36.840 --> 00:08:38.899 Mary offered to do this for me. But on the Q 00:08:38.899 --> 00:08:41.700 &A pages of the magazine, we run a free reader 00:08:41.700 --> 00:08:46.419 service. And so you can just email me at helen 00:08:46.419 --> 00:08:51.700 .t at family -tree .co .uk. and provide details 00:08:51.700 --> 00:08:53.639 of what it is that you're stuck on. If you have 00:08:53.639 --> 00:08:56.919 any documents, of course, provide those. We can't 00:08:56.919 --> 00:08:59.399 deal with everybody's questions on the Q &A pages, 00:08:59.500 --> 00:09:03.399 but we choose ones that we feel would provide 00:09:03.399 --> 00:09:05.620 useful learning points, and we try and cover 00:09:05.620 --> 00:09:07.919 as many as we can do, but we can't obviously 00:09:07.919 --> 00:09:10.600 cover them all. And then you get your answer, 00:09:10.679 --> 00:09:13.080 answered by somebody like Mary Evans or some 00:09:13.080 --> 00:09:15.399 of the other amazing researchers we have, completely 00:09:15.399 --> 00:09:17.700 free of charge to you. So that's pretty cool, 00:09:17.820 --> 00:09:20.179 isn't it? Yeah, it's brilliant. Really cool. 00:09:20.700 --> 00:09:23.779 Yeah. Nice one. Yeah. I mean, I've got you, so 00:09:23.779 --> 00:09:26.059 I feel like I'm in a lucky position anyway. Oh, 00:09:26.059 --> 00:09:28.100 I do. I think that's really not a lucky position 00:09:28.100 --> 00:09:32.039 at all. You must be kidding. I had a friend who's 00:09:32.039 --> 00:09:35.200 done the DNA test recently. Yeah. Like looking 00:09:35.200 --> 00:09:39.039 at his tree, wanting some information. And weirdly, 00:09:39.159 --> 00:09:41.120 like I went into researcher mode and suddenly 00:09:41.120 --> 00:09:43.440 all this information came flooding out of my 00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:46.440 mind. And I was like, oh, my God, all this stuff 00:09:46.440 --> 00:09:48.360 I've learned. And, you know, you know, when you're 00:09:48.360 --> 00:09:50.740 doing it, you know, you know it. When you're 00:09:50.740 --> 00:09:52.740 doing it in isolation in front of somebody else, 00:09:52.759 --> 00:09:55.340 it was like, wow, look at how much I've come 00:09:55.340 --> 00:09:57.179 on. It was great. I really enjoyed it. Really 00:09:57.179 --> 00:09:59.899 good. So you're helping a family history friend 00:09:59.899 --> 00:10:02.840 do some of their family history? Yeah, just asking 00:10:02.840 --> 00:10:04.820 a few questions about where they should find 00:10:04.820 --> 00:10:08.299 various certificates and looking for various 00:10:08.299 --> 00:10:10.620 loose connections. So I was just like, oh, yeah, 00:10:10.639 --> 00:10:12.299 you can try this and you can go here and go to 00:10:12.299 --> 00:10:14.820 3DMB and then download this. And I was like literally 00:10:14.820 --> 00:10:16.860 on the verge of wanting to order documents for 00:10:16.860 --> 00:10:19.759 him. It was like, no, this isn't my tree. I'll 00:10:19.759 --> 00:10:22.340 leave it alone. But it was just cool. It was 00:10:22.340 --> 00:10:24.139 cool to see that I actually had some knowledge. 00:10:24.179 --> 00:10:27.639 It was weird. It's very, very cool. Yeah. Yeah. 00:10:28.100 --> 00:10:29.700 I mean, it could all have been wrong and I've 00:10:29.700 --> 00:10:32.240 lied to him about everything, but you never know. 00:10:33.170 --> 00:10:36.129 No, I'm sure you haven't. And it is exciting 00:10:36.129 --> 00:10:38.490 as well when you, I think that's when you, you 00:10:38.490 --> 00:10:40.389 could think you're doing something in your head, 00:10:40.490 --> 00:10:42.250 but then either when you have to explain it to 00:10:42.250 --> 00:10:45.029 somebody else, like for me, if I am trying to 00:10:45.029 --> 00:10:47.509 explain DNA to my dad and then it all slips through 00:10:47.509 --> 00:10:49.649 my fingers and I'm like, oh goodness, I didn't 00:10:49.649 --> 00:10:52.649 know. Because he'll ask me questions which just 00:10:52.649 --> 00:10:57.019 completely throw me. Yeah. And so I think when 00:10:57.019 --> 00:10:58.360 you're trying to explain something to somebody 00:10:58.360 --> 00:11:00.679 else, then you can, it does actually help you 00:11:00.679 --> 00:11:02.720 realise how good is my understanding of this 00:11:02.720 --> 00:11:06.080 and how well, how thoroughly you know something 00:11:06.080 --> 00:11:09.019 enables you to either explain it, you know, suitable 00:11:09.019 --> 00:11:11.019 for a child. If you've really got to the nub 00:11:11.019 --> 00:11:12.620 of the issue and you know what's happening, you 00:11:12.620 --> 00:11:14.919 could explain it to a seven -year -old or equally, 00:11:14.940 --> 00:11:17.200 if you really got it and you know exactly what's 00:11:17.200 --> 00:11:19.840 going on, you could talk at length to somebody 00:11:19.840 --> 00:11:24.200 about it who has got lots of experience. Couldn't 00:11:24.200 --> 00:11:26.620 you? Whereas if you've got kind of a rough initial 00:11:26.620 --> 00:11:29.460 knowledge, you could soon find yourself getting 00:11:29.460 --> 00:11:34.440 stuck. That's me and DNA. Yeah. Let's not talk 00:11:34.440 --> 00:11:38.899 about DNA. Yeah. It's not good for me. Yeah. 00:11:40.100 --> 00:11:42.759 So with this friend, so you've wanted to order 00:11:42.759 --> 00:11:46.559 them some certificates. Are you helping them 00:11:46.559 --> 00:11:47.960 build a tree? What are you doing? Or are you 00:11:47.960 --> 00:11:49.519 just giving them some advice and they're going 00:11:49.519 --> 00:11:51.809 to come back to you? It was just initial advice 00:11:51.809 --> 00:11:54.169 to where to go to look for various bits and bats. 00:11:54.590 --> 00:11:56.809 It was quite tricky because a lot of it was modern 00:11:56.809 --> 00:12:00.149 history, which I kept on going, we'll just check 00:12:00.149 --> 00:12:05.830 the 1941 census. Oh, there isn't one. It's very 00:12:05.830 --> 00:12:07.850 strange working in the modern day, isn't it? 00:12:07.870 --> 00:12:10.149 You forget that you don't have access to that 00:12:10.149 --> 00:12:13.649 much information. So it was then working backwards 00:12:13.649 --> 00:12:15.190 from that and seeing what we could get around 00:12:15.190 --> 00:12:18.899 it. You do know the gutting thing as well, that 00:12:18.899 --> 00:12:21.120 we're not going to have a 1941 census, don't 00:12:21.120 --> 00:12:24.519 you? I did not know that. It gets even more tragic. 00:12:25.159 --> 00:12:27.539 If you're looking for English and Welsh ancestors, 00:12:27.659 --> 00:12:30.379 you're not even going to have a 1931 census. 00:12:30.679 --> 00:12:33.779 What? Why not? I can't remember why. I think 00:12:33.779 --> 00:12:35.460 it might have got destroyed in the Second World 00:12:35.460 --> 00:12:37.440 War. Oh, she's doing it again. She's going off, 00:12:37.500 --> 00:12:39.720 talking up to my head, but she's even got a cold 00:12:39.720 --> 00:12:42.600 as well. So I'm feeling particularly, like, fuzzy 00:12:42.600 --> 00:12:45.779 -headed. Yeah, I'm pretty sure the next one that's 00:12:45.779 --> 00:12:50.059 going to be available to us is in the 1951 census, 00:12:50.120 --> 00:12:54.919 which will be available in 2051. Great. Fantastic. 00:12:55.559 --> 00:12:58.139 Apart from, this is where you're going to be 00:12:58.139 --> 00:13:00.379 so pleased. What are your Scottish runs called? 00:13:00.460 --> 00:13:05.039 The Mackays? Yeah. So the Mackays, then Scotland 00:13:05.039 --> 00:13:10.200 does have a 1931. Go Scotland. Yes. Yeah. And 00:13:10.200 --> 00:13:14.139 then I... Obviously really soon Ireland, the 00:13:14.139 --> 00:13:16.019 Republic of Ireland is going to be releasing 00:13:16.019 --> 00:13:21.059 its 1926 census in the coming weeks. Yeah. April 00:13:21.059 --> 00:13:25.200 2026. So that's very exciting. Northern Ireland's 00:13:25.200 --> 00:13:29.379 accidentally lost theirs somehow. But these things 00:13:29.379 --> 00:13:32.159 happen. How have they lost it? I think a whale 00:13:32.159 --> 00:13:35.379 came and stole it. Let's just start making it 00:13:35.379 --> 00:13:39.169 loads of really random stories. Yes. There is 00:13:39.169 --> 00:13:41.509 actually some, I think it's Fife is like the 00:13:41.509 --> 00:13:43.490 famous story. I can't remember which year. It 00:13:43.490 --> 00:13:46.610 might be 1841. And they were carrying the census 00:13:46.610 --> 00:13:48.690 records across the river and some of them fell 00:13:48.690 --> 00:13:52.490 in the water. Oh, no. I know. I'm sorry if I'm 00:13:52.490 --> 00:13:54.710 laughing. Maybe I'm in frivolous mode. It's really 00:13:54.710 --> 00:13:57.970 annoying if it's your ancestors from those ages. 00:13:58.309 --> 00:14:00.549 Yeah, that must be gutting. I've just realised 00:14:00.549 --> 00:14:03.009 as well that 1931 census for the Scottish people 00:14:03.009 --> 00:14:05.529 won't help me because my ancestors were in Pudsey 00:14:05.529 --> 00:14:10.549 by that time. True. Apart from, it could help 00:14:10.549 --> 00:14:13.490 you because let's say you've gone back many generations 00:14:13.490 --> 00:14:15.730 to four times great -grandparents, five times 00:14:15.730 --> 00:14:17.409 great -grandparents and you're building your 00:14:17.409 --> 00:14:21.950 tree out and down. Some of them might have stayed 00:14:21.950 --> 00:14:26.549 up in Scotland and then you'll be... So it won't 00:14:26.549 --> 00:14:28.250 actually help your direct ancestors, you're quite 00:14:28.250 --> 00:14:30.309 right, but you could find some interesting things. 00:14:30.509 --> 00:14:34.429 Yeah, I could flesh out the side branches. Intriguing, 00:14:34.470 --> 00:14:37.779 intriguing. But that's years, years down the 00:14:37.779 --> 00:14:41.039 line. It really is. It really is, isn't it? It's 00:14:41.039 --> 00:14:45.019 really upsetting. I love the 1939 now. It's like 00:14:45.019 --> 00:14:48.019 that's your last reference of life, isn't it? 00:14:48.379 --> 00:14:50.559 It's just really irritating when something happens 00:14:50.559 --> 00:14:54.000 in 1940 plus and you're like, I had to give me 00:14:54.000 --> 00:14:59.740 the information. Yeah. The 1939, that was so 00:14:59.740 --> 00:15:01.620 exciting when it came out and there was a few 00:15:01.620 --> 00:15:04.360 people who campaigned for it. So the Census Act 00:15:04.360 --> 00:15:07.480 said that it should have been, if it had fallen 00:15:07.480 --> 00:15:10.860 under the Census Act, it would have had to be 00:15:10.860 --> 00:15:15.320 closed for 100 years. Because it didn't fall 00:15:15.320 --> 00:15:16.960 under the Census Act, that's who people like 00:15:16.960 --> 00:15:19.960 Guy Etchells and I think Stephen Smurl, they 00:15:19.960 --> 00:15:21.940 argued and did like a, I think it was a freedom 00:15:21.940 --> 00:15:25.250 of information request and said this. It doesn't 00:15:25.250 --> 00:15:27.509 fall under this Act of Parliament, so it can 00:15:27.509 --> 00:15:29.830 be treated differently. So they got it released 00:15:29.830 --> 00:15:32.750 years and years early. Yeah, that's brilliant, 00:15:32.850 --> 00:15:34.490 that, isn't it? Otherwise we'd be waiting, we 00:15:34.490 --> 00:15:36.730 still wouldn't have it for another terrible mess. 00:15:36.889 --> 00:15:40.169 13 years? Yeah? 14 years? I don't even know what 00:15:40.169 --> 00:15:42.730 year it is right now, but yes. Yes, a long time, 00:15:42.870 --> 00:15:47.710 very long time. No, that's cool. I saw one the 00:15:47.710 --> 00:15:49.690 other day where I was just looking and somebody 00:15:49.690 --> 00:15:53.639 got married, I think, for the third time. On 00:15:53.639 --> 00:15:58.279 the 1939, it had them as a child or a teenager. 00:15:58.580 --> 00:16:01.539 So with the maiden name. And I was actually able 00:16:01.539 --> 00:16:04.340 to, again, learning stuff. I followed like the 00:16:04.340 --> 00:16:06.120 little notations that people had crossed out 00:16:06.120 --> 00:16:08.259 and wrote on them. It's like I found two marriages 00:16:08.259 --> 00:16:10.720 from it, which I was quite chuffed about. Very 00:16:10.720 --> 00:16:14.259 good. Yeah. Check me out. I might not fill my 00:16:14.259 --> 00:16:16.980 research log in, but I know some stuff. Yes. 00:16:17.399 --> 00:16:21.000 Yes. No, it's good. It's looking at all those 00:16:21.000 --> 00:16:23.309 details, just taking time because. Not to miss 00:16:23.309 --> 00:16:25.549 any clues is always a good thing. It's exciting, 00:16:25.690 --> 00:16:26.929 isn't it? When you get a clue, you're like, oh, 00:16:27.029 --> 00:16:28.850 this is slightly more than this document should 00:16:28.850 --> 00:16:38.190 give you. This is cool. Going back to your friend 00:16:38.190 --> 00:16:40.429 who you're helping. So whenever I help somebody 00:16:40.429 --> 00:16:43.629 do their family history, I love it. And I really 00:16:43.629 --> 00:16:46.110 do the thing that I want. Sometimes I do start 00:16:46.110 --> 00:16:48.009 building a secret tree for them because it just 00:16:48.009 --> 00:16:50.559 helps me. piece together the information they've 00:16:50.559 --> 00:16:52.360 told me. And I don't want to kind of take away 00:16:52.360 --> 00:16:54.480 their joy of doing it themselves, but partly 00:16:54.480 --> 00:16:56.019 I'm just like, I want to do it. I want to find 00:16:56.019 --> 00:16:59.059 out what I can do. Just the challenge and partly 00:16:59.059 --> 00:17:02.940 just getting the clarity. So I'm excited about 00:17:02.940 --> 00:17:05.400 helping somebody, but then I also get a little 00:17:05.400 --> 00:17:07.259 bit nervous in case I'm getting it wrong. So 00:17:07.259 --> 00:17:09.559 did you have any of the fear factor that you're 00:17:09.559 --> 00:17:11.779 leading them up the garden path or not? Yes. 00:17:12.480 --> 00:17:16.880 I made some bold claims and accusations quite 00:17:16.880 --> 00:17:19.680 quickly. And I was like, This couldn't be true. 00:17:19.880 --> 00:17:23.119 I just keep on speculating here, but I'm throwing 00:17:23.119 --> 00:17:25.359 myself into it like I know what I'm doing. But 00:17:25.359 --> 00:17:27.839 equally, I've secretly built the tree as well, 00:17:27.880 --> 00:17:31.319 so I need to delete that because I'm getting 00:17:31.319 --> 00:17:32.960 hints about it now and I don't actually want 00:17:32.960 --> 00:17:35.740 to pursue it. Oh, so have you built them a secret 00:17:35.740 --> 00:17:38.099 tree on Ancestry? I've built it on my profile, 00:17:38.279 --> 00:17:40.720 yeah. Okay, that's okay. And have you gone into 00:17:40.720 --> 00:17:42.759 tree settings and made sure it's private and 00:17:42.759 --> 00:17:45.960 unsearchable? Because if it's a secret tree, 00:17:45.980 --> 00:17:50.480 it's got to be secret, yeah? I'm not entirely 00:17:50.480 --> 00:17:54.160 sure. I think so. I think it's private. How do 00:17:54.160 --> 00:17:56.660 I find this? Well, you'd find out. Just go to 00:17:56.660 --> 00:18:02.180 Ancestry and then go to Trees. And then it will 00:18:02.180 --> 00:18:05.720 say, like, when you've gone and choose one of 00:18:05.720 --> 00:18:07.740 your trees, this is a way to do it. There's several 00:18:07.740 --> 00:18:10.380 ways you could do it. Go to one of your trees. 00:18:10.440 --> 00:18:12.940 Then in the menu on the left -hand side, go to 00:18:12.940 --> 00:18:15.220 the option which will say Create and Manage Trees. 00:18:15.720 --> 00:18:18.380 And then... When you've clicked create and manage 00:18:18.380 --> 00:18:20.059 trees, you'll go through to a window which says 00:18:20.059 --> 00:18:23.619 tree settings. When you go to tree settings, 00:18:23.759 --> 00:18:27.900 choose the tree that you want to adjust. When 00:18:27.900 --> 00:18:32.480 that opens up, I think this is right, then you'll 00:18:32.480 --> 00:18:35.000 see where it says like privacy information. They'll 00:18:35.000 --> 00:18:37.119 have three tabs along the top and choose that 00:18:37.119 --> 00:18:39.539 privacy one, go in there and make sure there's 00:18:39.539 --> 00:18:42.019 a box which says. private you can go like public 00:18:42.019 --> 00:18:44.980 or private so ticket search private and then 00:18:44.980 --> 00:18:47.019 there'll be another little box which says make 00:18:47.019 --> 00:18:48.940 sure doesn't get found in the search index so 00:18:48.940 --> 00:18:51.779 if somebody searched on a name somebody in that 00:18:51.779 --> 00:18:54.640 tree you don't even want them to getting get 00:18:54.640 --> 00:18:58.519 returned in search results yeah so you tick that 00:18:58.519 --> 00:19:01.220 as well then you know it's super safe then the 00:19:01.220 --> 00:19:04.039 other thing is with the hints you can choose 00:19:04.039 --> 00:19:07.390 whether you have your hints on or off. But the 00:19:07.390 --> 00:19:09.730 thing is, I think with ancestry, you have to 00:19:09.730 --> 00:19:12.970 make a global decision about hints. So I, you 00:19:12.970 --> 00:19:15.069 can choose that you're going to not get any hints. 00:19:15.109 --> 00:19:17.089 You won't get any for your friend for their secret 00:19:17.089 --> 00:19:19.049 tree that you're making. And you also won't get 00:19:19.049 --> 00:19:20.769 any hints for you. I think that's how it works. 00:19:20.869 --> 00:19:23.390 Whereas my heritage is pretty cool. I'm pretty 00:19:23.390 --> 00:19:26.509 sure on there, you can do granular hints. So 00:19:26.509 --> 00:19:28.809 you could choose for my tree, I want to have 00:19:28.809 --> 00:19:31.710 the hints, but for my friend's tree or my auntie's 00:19:31.710 --> 00:19:33.369 tree, I don't want any hints and then you turn 00:19:33.369 --> 00:19:36.549 them off. Nice. Really nice, isn't it? There's 00:19:36.549 --> 00:19:39.150 all these things which sound so, like, if you 00:19:39.150 --> 00:19:41.809 didn't know how doing family history, if I was 00:19:41.809 --> 00:19:43.950 telling my husband about this, he'd be like, 00:19:44.029 --> 00:19:46.049 oh, good. But when you're actually doing it, 00:19:46.069 --> 00:19:48.490 it's really helpful. It is really helpful. I 00:19:48.490 --> 00:19:49.990 literally followed the path that you were saying 00:19:49.990 --> 00:19:51.990 then and you got it pretty much verbatim, word 00:19:51.990 --> 00:19:54.710 for word, everything right. And you just spouting 00:19:54.710 --> 00:19:57.250 that off the top of your head. Fantastic. I've 00:19:57.250 --> 00:19:58.730 actually just gone in and deleted that tree completely 00:19:58.730 --> 00:20:03.089 now. It's gone. Yeah. It was just trying to make 00:20:03.089 --> 00:20:05.869 it clear in my mind so I wasn't giving duff information. 00:20:06.410 --> 00:20:10.309 But yeah, it's not my job. No, it's not your 00:20:10.309 --> 00:20:16.039 job. Oh, I'm in bossy. I'm giving uninvited information 00:20:16.039 --> 00:20:18.180 mode this morning. So the other thing you could 00:20:18.180 --> 00:20:20.680 have done, Nathan, but it's too late now. Now 00:20:20.680 --> 00:20:22.640 you've deleted your tree. There's no going back. 00:20:22.680 --> 00:20:24.339 But what you could have done while you're in 00:20:24.339 --> 00:20:26.920 tree settings, you could have gone like to the 00:20:26.920 --> 00:20:29.339 download option and then you could have downloaded 00:20:29.339 --> 00:20:32.319 a GEDCOM of the secret tree. And then let's say 00:20:32.319 --> 00:20:34.700 the friend came back to you in a few weeks time. 00:20:35.200 --> 00:20:39.099 You could. Either re -upload that tree to Ancestry, 00:20:39.180 --> 00:20:40.900 make sure you've done your private settings on 00:20:40.900 --> 00:20:43.140 it, or you can even go get yourself some free 00:20:43.140 --> 00:20:46.680 software like Legacy. It's Legacy Family Tree. 00:20:46.880 --> 00:20:48.599 So you can put that software on your desktop. 00:20:48.779 --> 00:20:51.759 Then you build the tree super secret. Again, 00:20:51.859 --> 00:20:53.319 another way of doing it secretly. I'm not trying 00:20:53.319 --> 00:20:56.940 to be secret, but sometimes it's like it's not 00:20:56.940 --> 00:20:59.519 your tree. You don't want to be over -interfering 00:20:59.519 --> 00:21:01.480 to somebody, but you want to be able to be helpful. 00:21:01.579 --> 00:21:04.279 And sometimes somebody might not realise what 00:21:04.279 --> 00:21:06.619 you have to do. in order to help them. And sometimes 00:21:06.619 --> 00:21:08.299 one of the things that you have to do in order 00:21:08.299 --> 00:21:10.680 to help them is actually be maybe a little bit 00:21:10.680 --> 00:21:13.339 more investigative than they would have anticipated. 00:21:14.119 --> 00:21:16.640 Yeah. There's the whole aspect of it not being 00:21:16.640 --> 00:21:19.619 your story as well. I feel like that's coming 00:21:19.619 --> 00:21:21.460 to the front a lot for me at the moment. There's 00:21:21.460 --> 00:21:23.480 lots of things I'm like, this is really interesting. 00:21:23.539 --> 00:21:27.160 I'm like, but it's not my story. There are things 00:21:27.160 --> 00:21:29.559 that I could potentially talk about on the podcast, 00:21:29.599 --> 00:21:32.319 but I'm like, again, it's not my story to tell, 00:21:32.380 --> 00:21:35.809 so I shouldn't tell it. I guess it's more modern 00:21:35.809 --> 00:21:38.470 times things, but it's tricky, isn't it? It's 00:21:38.470 --> 00:21:41.410 like that debate. It's not a debate. It's other 00:21:41.410 --> 00:21:43.470 people's stories. So it's their responsibility. 00:21:43.589 --> 00:21:45.329 If they want to tell their stories, they should, 00:21:45.410 --> 00:21:48.509 but we shouldn't. I think that's such a good 00:21:48.509 --> 00:21:51.430 point. Like whose story is it? And also we all 00:21:51.430 --> 00:21:55.509 see different stories in the record. You could 00:21:55.509 --> 00:21:57.529 give us all the same records. We would all see 00:21:57.529 --> 00:21:59.210 different stories in it. We'd all have different 00:21:59.210 --> 00:22:02.759 feelings about those stories. So, you know, when 00:22:02.759 --> 00:22:05.579 you look at the records, you might say, for instance, 00:22:05.599 --> 00:22:07.180 you love aeroplanes or whatever. So anyone with 00:22:07.180 --> 00:22:09.019 an aeroplane collection you'd be particularly 00:22:09.019 --> 00:22:12.140 happy about and you would build it up and you'd 00:22:12.140 --> 00:22:14.460 be looking for, for instances, of other people 00:22:14.460 --> 00:22:17.000 who have engineering or technical backgrounds 00:22:17.000 --> 00:22:19.440 or artistic, creative backgrounds. That would 00:22:19.440 --> 00:22:21.940 really appeal to you, wouldn't it? Anything to 00:22:21.940 --> 00:22:24.880 do with art and engineering. And you'd be happy 00:22:24.880 --> 00:22:28.670 about that. If there were difficult situations, 00:22:28.730 --> 00:22:31.190 let's say one of them was a bigamist or one of 00:22:31.190 --> 00:22:33.829 them had had illegitimate children or any of 00:22:33.829 --> 00:22:36.190 the things which can kind of be unsettling to 00:22:36.190 --> 00:22:40.109 find out, you would have your overarching narrative 00:22:40.109 --> 00:22:42.490 about the engineering and the art and you'd find 00:22:42.490 --> 00:22:44.490 it maybe easier to deal with the other things. 00:22:44.569 --> 00:22:47.930 Whereas someone else may feel particularly sensitive 00:22:47.930 --> 00:22:50.990 about those issues and they're looking at the 00:22:50.990 --> 00:22:52.730 same records as you, but they're seeing a different, 00:22:52.869 --> 00:22:54.670 they're feeling, having a different experience. 00:22:55.509 --> 00:22:57.589 feeling different experiences looking at them 00:22:57.589 --> 00:23:00.410 yeah definitely it's all point of view isn't 00:23:00.410 --> 00:23:03.630 it it's yeah and the further back you go I mean 00:23:03.630 --> 00:23:06.890 maybe I don't know actually I don't think I've 00:23:06.890 --> 00:23:09.890 got that much controversy on my tree but I think 00:23:09.890 --> 00:23:11.450 the further back you go the more removed you 00:23:11.450 --> 00:23:15.190 are from it and the less it pains you yes unless 00:23:15.190 --> 00:23:17.789 that is just me and I'm just dead inside but 00:23:17.789 --> 00:23:20.009 like I think like my best examples like George 00:23:20.009 --> 00:23:21.950 Horatio Nelson thing where he was brought up 00:23:21.950 --> 00:23:25.289 by his mother's mother and then his mother and 00:23:25.289 --> 00:23:27.890 his dad went to it well alleged dad I'm going 00:23:27.890 --> 00:23:31.650 to say moved county and I felt that one a little 00:23:31.650 --> 00:23:34.529 bit because I'd got so involved with that guy 00:23:34.529 --> 00:23:37.829 has been like my favourite ancestor but it's 00:23:37.829 --> 00:23:39.829 so removed it's like it's just a story isn't 00:23:39.829 --> 00:23:44.369 it it's not like that really hurts me but I still 00:23:44.369 --> 00:23:46.230 think as well like I don't know whether it's 00:23:46.230 --> 00:23:49.990 just us but in our family we do have some branches 00:23:49.990 --> 00:23:52.839 of the family which are kind of hero branches. 00:23:52.960 --> 00:23:54.799 And I don't literally mean they're kind of amazing 00:23:54.799 --> 00:23:56.859 soldiers or anything. I just mean that they're 00:23:56.859 --> 00:24:00.380 ones that we feel extra fond of or really proud 00:24:00.380 --> 00:24:04.940 of. And actually, the reason why we feel proud 00:24:04.940 --> 00:24:06.740 of them is sometimes as they've gone through 00:24:06.740 --> 00:24:09.200 incredibly tough times, sometimes they live through 00:24:09.200 --> 00:24:11.640 tough periods of history. Both of those points 00:24:11.640 --> 00:24:14.180 apply to all of our families. They've all lived 00:24:14.180 --> 00:24:15.400 through tough times and all lived through amazing 00:24:15.400 --> 00:24:17.140 periods of history or fascinating periods of 00:24:17.140 --> 00:24:19.299 history. And the other one is... where they just 00:24:19.299 --> 00:24:21.180 stuck by each other. And we're like, hey, you 00:24:21.180 --> 00:24:23.619 stuck by each other. Like, it's not an easy thing 00:24:23.619 --> 00:24:25.940 to do, the human condition. And we're pleased 00:24:25.940 --> 00:24:29.220 with them. So in a funny way, I have to be really 00:24:29.220 --> 00:24:31.319 diplomatic with those branches because although 00:24:31.319 --> 00:24:34.460 the overarching picture is they're there, they 00:24:34.460 --> 00:24:36.380 stuck by each other, they were a loving family. 00:24:36.559 --> 00:24:39.240 And it's like, they were, but there's other evidence 00:24:39.240 --> 00:24:42.799 to allow it. To what extent do you want to burst 00:24:42.799 --> 00:24:47.869 anyone's bubble? No. So... We have to be very, 00:24:47.910 --> 00:24:50.589 we do have all these little micro ethical dilemmas 00:24:50.589 --> 00:24:53.009 about, it's all very well in our own head. We 00:24:53.009 --> 00:24:55.089 can go, I love doing family history because I 00:24:55.089 --> 00:24:56.910 like the detective aspect. I love the puzzle 00:24:56.910 --> 00:24:59.809 aspect. I love the way it informs social history. 00:25:00.650 --> 00:25:03.329 Just a general interest in social history. If 00:25:03.329 --> 00:25:04.849 you populate it with your ancestors, suddenly 00:25:04.849 --> 00:25:06.410 it's not just social history, it comes alive 00:25:06.410 --> 00:25:08.329 with individual people, doesn't it? So all of 00:25:08.329 --> 00:25:10.769 those cool things, reasons why you might like 00:25:10.769 --> 00:25:12.549 family history, or you're just curious about 00:25:12.549 --> 00:25:14.670 your roots, whatever it is. But then when you're 00:25:14.670 --> 00:25:17.019 imparting it to the... your friends and family, 00:25:17.119 --> 00:25:21.940 if it's their family history too. Yeah. It is 00:25:21.940 --> 00:25:24.900 fascinating. Like, I think from my perspective, 00:25:24.940 --> 00:25:27.460 like I say, I don't have much drama on my tree. 00:25:28.079 --> 00:25:30.400 There's not really any drama that I can see in 00:25:30.400 --> 00:25:35.599 my DNA. So it is all a fun hobby. I pursue something 00:25:35.599 --> 00:25:40.259 that's, you know, a nice thing to do. And I went 00:25:40.259 --> 00:25:41.700 out for a meal with some friends the other day 00:25:41.700 --> 00:25:44.799 and we were talking about, like, taking DNA tests. 00:25:45.549 --> 00:25:47.950 And I, again, I was very sort of nonchalant about 00:25:47.950 --> 00:25:50.750 it because I don't want to really explore my 00:25:50.750 --> 00:25:53.029 DNA. I will do at some point, I promise. But 00:25:53.029 --> 00:25:56.690 I haven't had the real reason to do so. But it 00:25:56.690 --> 00:25:58.369 was quite interesting to hear other people's 00:25:58.369 --> 00:25:59.950 opinions about it. There were like the ethical 00:25:59.950 --> 00:26:01.970 reasons why they don't want to do it, things 00:26:01.970 --> 00:26:03.829 that they're not bothered about finding out, 00:26:03.890 --> 00:26:06.309 hints of things that they might know and don't 00:26:06.309 --> 00:26:08.549 want to pursue any further. And it's like, actually, 00:26:08.630 --> 00:26:11.809 it's quite a heavy subject if you're coming from 00:26:11.809 --> 00:26:13.910 a certain point of view. It's just fascinating. 00:26:15.509 --> 00:26:19.990 And I think it is because when you, all of us 00:26:19.990 --> 00:26:21.789 across, not just in our family history worlds, 00:26:21.890 --> 00:26:24.069 but you end up in echo chambers, don't you, with 00:26:24.069 --> 00:26:26.109 other people who, like you, you'll have lots 00:26:26.109 --> 00:26:28.369 of friends who love running and none of you could 00:26:28.369 --> 00:26:30.470 conceive of the idea of just being a couch potato 00:26:30.470 --> 00:26:32.309 and not having gone for a run for seven years 00:26:32.309 --> 00:26:38.650 or whatever. Mentioning new names. And there's 00:26:38.650 --> 00:26:40.450 points in my life where I couldn't ever conceive 00:26:40.450 --> 00:26:42.269 not having gone for a run for seven years, but 00:26:42.269 --> 00:26:43.809 it's perfectly possible. Yeah, I've done it. 00:26:44.509 --> 00:26:50.009 So when we talk to other people, it can be quite 00:26:50.009 --> 00:26:53.109 eye -opening. Yeah, just a completely different 00:26:53.109 --> 00:26:56.630 kind of ethical stance and you realise it's not 00:26:56.630 --> 00:26:59.410 clear -cut. Yeah, it's perspective, isn't it? 00:26:59.529 --> 00:27:03.069 It's like, well, just like I say, I look at this 00:27:03.069 --> 00:27:05.910 as a fun pursuit, a fun hobby. It's something 00:27:05.910 --> 00:27:09.269 to just get lost in. But actually... There are 00:27:09.269 --> 00:27:10.829 textures, there are layers. Obviously, like, 00:27:10.869 --> 00:27:12.589 you know, all these TV shows, like Long Lost 00:27:12.589 --> 00:27:15.029 Families, et cetera, that stuff really does happen 00:27:15.029 --> 00:27:17.990 to people. And you forget that when you're just 00:27:17.990 --> 00:27:21.170 absorbed in the fun of the research and you're 00:27:21.170 --> 00:27:22.589 not really worried about what you're going to 00:27:22.589 --> 00:27:27.890 find. Yeah, and you can't, yeah, that's, I mean, 00:27:27.890 --> 00:27:29.450 kind of links into what we were talking about 00:27:29.450 --> 00:27:31.609 earlier, like the kind of the scare factor of 00:27:31.609 --> 00:27:32.990 when you're doing other people's family history. 00:27:33.349 --> 00:27:36.009 My initial scare factor was like, oh, am I going 00:27:36.009 --> 00:27:39.619 to get this wrong? And then the other scare factor 00:27:39.619 --> 00:27:42.779 is when you think they've asked you a pretty 00:27:42.779 --> 00:27:44.920 simple question. You're like, I can find that. 00:27:44.940 --> 00:27:47.119 I can find a birth record. He's busy, whatever. 00:27:47.539 --> 00:27:51.759 And then once the records materialize and then 00:27:51.759 --> 00:27:56.339 you could see a different story or a story, an 00:27:56.339 --> 00:27:58.900 unexpected story has emerged. And you're like, 00:27:58.920 --> 00:28:03.680 oh, because they asked for a simple story, a 00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:06.460 simple fact. And you're like, this is actually. 00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:11.039 a fact but it's like a little gift tag on a bombshell 00:28:11.039 --> 00:28:14.039 yeah whatever respect there's something very 00:28:14.039 --> 00:28:17.500 big and intriguing there potentially yeah expected 00:28:17.500 --> 00:28:20.119 did we talk about this the other week because 00:28:20.119 --> 00:28:21.839 i think it's a really important issue so with 00:28:21.839 --> 00:28:26.559 dna um if you're encouraging someone to do a 00:28:26.559 --> 00:28:28.980 dna test and so i think the dn what what the 00:28:28.980 --> 00:28:31.259 thing about dna is it brings everything up kind 00:28:31.259 --> 00:28:34.539 of fast and furious so when we do family history 00:28:34.539 --> 00:28:36.940 with other people so a friend might ask you or 00:28:36.940 --> 00:28:38.940 a family member might ask you about family history 00:28:38.940 --> 00:28:41.779 and you can kind of gradually piece your way 00:28:41.779 --> 00:28:45.299 along the path gradually gathering evidence you're 00:28:45.299 --> 00:28:48.319 building up a picture and you can kind of okay 00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:50.240 sometimes some records are going to suddenly 00:28:50.240 --> 00:28:52.339 give you a bit of shocking information but on 00:28:52.339 --> 00:28:55.720 the whole it's a gradual sense of what this person's 00:28:55.720 --> 00:28:58.519 life was like what this family was like and you 00:28:58.519 --> 00:29:02.829 can tell sometimes some families have more troubled 00:29:02.829 --> 00:29:04.869 lives than others don't they just like we do 00:29:04.869 --> 00:29:07.269 today and some people have more troubled chapters 00:29:07.269 --> 00:29:09.089 or less troubled chapters in their own lives 00:29:09.089 --> 00:29:12.049 but with DNA it speeds it up dramatically because 00:29:12.049 --> 00:29:14.430 you're not slowly gathering evidence you do your 00:29:14.430 --> 00:29:17.109 DNA test you get your match list back and so 00:29:17.109 --> 00:29:19.589 suddenly you can get most of us don't most of 00:29:19.589 --> 00:29:21.710 us are a bit like non -plus because we have to 00:29:21.710 --> 00:29:23.630 work hard to make sense of those matches but 00:29:23.630 --> 00:29:26.230 you can get a lot of information very very quickly 00:29:26.230 --> 00:29:29.410 and also with DNA, let's say you're encouraging 00:29:29.410 --> 00:29:31.549 a friend or family member to take that DNA test. 00:29:32.430 --> 00:29:34.829 They may not know what they're, they may say, 00:29:34.890 --> 00:29:36.730 oh, I've always wanted to know if I've got German 00:29:36.730 --> 00:29:38.990 or whatever. And they may take it for quite a 00:29:38.990 --> 00:29:40.930 glib reason, or they might want to be a Viking. 00:29:42.329 --> 00:29:48.569 But then they don't realize that their DNA results 00:29:48.569 --> 00:29:50.890 have the potentiality to reveal so many other 00:29:50.890 --> 00:29:53.970 things. And then it's like one of those unnesting 00:29:53.970 --> 00:29:57.170 things. So not only does it have the potential 00:29:57.170 --> 00:29:59.730 to reveal things to them about their life that 00:29:59.730 --> 00:30:02.410 they may find unexpected or stressful but that 00:30:02.410 --> 00:30:04.950 is inevitably going to impact any siblings they 00:30:04.950 --> 00:30:08.890 have their parents yeah yeah so you're making 00:30:08.890 --> 00:30:10.509 decisions for other people so anyway with dna 00:30:10.509 --> 00:30:12.430 people are really good about doing informed consent 00:30:12.430 --> 00:30:14.730 so what you should do if you're going to encourage 00:30:14.730 --> 00:30:16.670 a friend or family member to take a dna test 00:30:17.579 --> 00:30:19.819 whether it's for their own benefit or for your 00:30:19.819 --> 00:30:21.980 benefit, your research, DNA research projects, 00:30:22.220 --> 00:30:24.640 you should literally say to them, what are you 00:30:24.640 --> 00:30:27.339 going to feel about X, Y and Z? And if you Google 00:30:27.339 --> 00:30:30.859 DNA test informed consent pro forma or things 00:30:30.859 --> 00:30:32.880 like that, you'll be able to download a form, 00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:36.619 basically like a template letter. that people 00:30:36.619 --> 00:30:38.500 can read through and consider what am I going 00:30:38.500 --> 00:30:41.259 to feel like if I find this information and say 00:30:41.259 --> 00:30:42.839 if you were doing the research on behalf of someone 00:30:42.839 --> 00:30:44.180 else or you're going to be working with someone 00:30:44.180 --> 00:30:46.740 you can go do you want to know if you get unexpected 00:30:46.740 --> 00:30:51.119 results and then they can decide before they've 00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:53.920 got information whether they want you to tell 00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:56.319 them stuff. and they can also if they're doing 00:30:56.319 --> 00:30:58.059 it themselves they can reflect how am i actually 00:30:58.059 --> 00:31:00.039 going to feel about this and they can also ask 00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:02.000 their close family members hey i'm thinking of 00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:04.420 doing this do you want me to tell you if you 00:31:04.420 --> 00:31:06.400 find out things so what you don't want to do 00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:09.640 is gang ho take the dna test get the results 00:31:09.640 --> 00:31:12.960 back you found some information which is unexpected 00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:16.180 you're okay with that but now you're like i forgot 00:31:16.180 --> 00:31:19.160 to ask my sister if she wanted to know this and 00:31:19.160 --> 00:31:21.859 um And you're like, do I tell her? Did I tell 00:31:21.859 --> 00:31:23.279 her? And you're suddenly sitting on a secret 00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:26.079 that you didn't want to have. Yeah, you can't 00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:29.960 word it like, so I took a DNA test. Do you want 00:31:29.960 --> 00:31:31.720 to know if I found anything interesting? Because 00:31:31.720 --> 00:31:34.339 instantly, you know you found something interesting. 00:31:35.779 --> 00:31:40.559 Danger. Yes. So I think with DNA, I think maybe 00:31:40.559 --> 00:31:43.130 it's just me. Maybe it's a bad reflection on 00:31:43.130 --> 00:31:46.470 me, but I think that whenever we're working with 00:31:46.470 --> 00:31:49.470 anybody, even if the question starts out as a 00:31:49.470 --> 00:31:52.109 seemingly simple question, I think that's good 00:31:52.109 --> 00:31:54.390 to just tee them up to the possibility, have 00:31:54.390 --> 00:31:57.369 the conversation, have the informed consent conversation. 00:31:57.690 --> 00:32:00.349 It doesn't have to be really heavy. I think it 00:32:00.349 --> 00:32:03.289 needs to be pretty direct and say, I'm really 00:32:03.289 --> 00:32:06.569 happy to help you find your auntie's birth record. 00:32:07.369 --> 00:32:08.970 But just have a bit of a gentle conversation 00:32:08.970 --> 00:32:10.549 going, oh, when you do family history, you can 00:32:10.549 --> 00:32:14.009 find unexpected things. Are you anticipating 00:32:14.009 --> 00:32:16.150 finding anything unexpected? How are you going 00:32:16.150 --> 00:32:18.089 to feel about that? There's a lot to scare people 00:32:18.089 --> 00:32:21.529 off, but otherwise you're in that predicament 00:32:21.529 --> 00:32:23.650 where you actually know something about their 00:32:23.650 --> 00:32:26.470 family and they've asked you for one simple thing 00:32:26.470 --> 00:32:28.190 and then you've got a complicated thing that 00:32:28.190 --> 00:32:29.670 you know and they don't know and you feel guilty 00:32:29.670 --> 00:32:33.109 if you don't tell them, guilty if you do, because 00:32:33.109 --> 00:32:34.430 you haven't asked them whether they want to know. 00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:36.819 You know, it's due diligence, isn't it? You've 00:32:36.819 --> 00:32:40.680 got to do that. You can't just go in and just 00:32:40.680 --> 00:32:42.660 say, yeah, I'll do this for you and here it is 00:32:42.660 --> 00:32:45.019 and splurge it because it could just really mess 00:32:45.019 --> 00:32:47.519 with the lives. I mean, hopefully you'd think 00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:49.380 it won't, but there could be really big things 00:32:49.380 --> 00:32:54.319 out there. Back to the Q &A pages in the mag, 00:32:54.400 --> 00:32:56.960 it doesn't happen very often, but every now and 00:32:56.960 --> 00:33:00.339 again the researchers will work on somebody's 00:33:00.339 --> 00:33:02.339 question and then the information which comes 00:33:02.339 --> 00:33:04.809 back, we're like, this is heavy stuff. You know, 00:33:04.809 --> 00:33:09.410 it will just potentially involve very, very young 00:33:09.410 --> 00:33:13.190 parents, like even by olden days standards, like 00:33:13.190 --> 00:33:17.150 illegally young or very dubiously young parents 00:33:17.150 --> 00:33:20.529 or incest, like all the really horrible, stressful 00:33:20.529 --> 00:33:24.269 things. And so at that point, then we will get 00:33:24.269 --> 00:33:26.650 back to people and say, you know, we found out 00:33:26.650 --> 00:33:30.480 some quite tough information. Would you like 00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:33.000 us to let you know? And we don't always publish 00:33:33.000 --> 00:33:35.619 the answers that we come across in the magazine 00:33:35.619 --> 00:33:39.559 because or sometimes we just completely anonymise 00:33:39.559 --> 00:33:43.160 or pseudonymise the information just for privacy. 00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:46.460 Because you're right, as it goes further, the 00:33:46.460 --> 00:33:49.339 generations you go back, the easier it is to 00:33:49.339 --> 00:33:51.960 handle. But sometimes you have to go back quite 00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:53.980 a lot of generations. You can still be very upset 00:33:53.980 --> 00:33:58.500 about your great -grandparents. Yeah. Well, when 00:33:58.500 --> 00:34:00.920 it's somebody that's touched somebody that you've 00:34:00.920 --> 00:34:03.720 probably known in your living time, that's when 00:34:03.720 --> 00:34:05.619 it's like, oh, my God, did they know this? And 00:34:05.619 --> 00:34:08.320 how has that shaped their perspective of life? 00:34:08.380 --> 00:34:10.219 And then they've sat with this knowledge, maybe 00:34:10.219 --> 00:34:13.559 or maybe not. It can shift your dynamics quite 00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:17.420 a bit, can't it? Fascinating. Well, this is a 00:34:17.420 --> 00:34:20.679 deep conversation, isn't it? But I have to say, 00:34:20.699 --> 00:34:23.880 weirdly, none of this puts me off doing family 00:34:23.880 --> 00:34:26.840 history. I think... Although it's difficult, 00:34:27.099 --> 00:34:29.800 I think it's actually one of the most important 00:34:29.800 --> 00:34:32.360 bits to me of family history because life is 00:34:32.360 --> 00:34:36.119 complicated. It is. Pretty much most people have 00:34:36.119 --> 00:34:39.280 either very close encounters with complicated 00:34:39.280 --> 00:34:41.420 stuff in their near relations or in their own 00:34:41.420 --> 00:34:44.519 lives. And I think we can all relate to the fact 00:34:44.519 --> 00:34:48.019 that sometimes some of our chapters of our lives 00:34:48.019 --> 00:34:50.920 are harder than others. So hopefully it means 00:34:50.920 --> 00:34:53.860 that some of our ancestors will have had a non 00:34:53.860 --> 00:34:56.539 -stop. life of hard chapter after hard chapter 00:34:56.539 --> 00:34:58.179 but some of us maybe just have some hard chapters 00:34:58.179 --> 00:35:01.000 anyway i think it's it's useful for just knowing 00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:02.960 where you've come from about the people who lived 00:35:02.960 --> 00:35:05.480 before and also just general human life like 00:35:05.480 --> 00:35:08.900 human experience yeah taking some stock yeah 00:35:08.900 --> 00:35:10.460 so i think it's important it is heavy but it 00:35:10.460 --> 00:35:12.780 is important to me i think yeah no that's good 00:35:12.780 --> 00:35:21.250 do you want to hear what i've been up to Oh, 00:35:21.250 --> 00:35:23.590 goodness, Nathan, yes. I've given you a word 00:35:23.590 --> 00:35:25.369 of the tree, so you can tell us. No, no, no. 00:35:25.869 --> 00:35:27.949 Helen's got a sore throat. She'll just talk the 00:35:27.949 --> 00:35:31.190 entire time. Unfortunately, I haven't actually 00:35:31.190 --> 00:35:35.809 got much to say. So last week I was struggling 00:35:35.809 --> 00:35:38.829 with one of my third -time great -grandparents. 00:35:38.949 --> 00:35:41.989 Oh, my God. It's just what you were saying before. 00:35:42.550 --> 00:35:45.670 It was the whole people with the same name. So 00:35:45.670 --> 00:35:49.309 it was Joseph G. Ward and Marianne Blackburn 00:35:49.309 --> 00:35:53.039 and then... Her parents, Joseph, and mother, 00:35:53.239 --> 00:35:56.739 Mary. And I put the name wrong back then. This 00:35:56.739 --> 00:36:00.340 led to a whole spin -off of nonsense and children 00:36:00.340 --> 00:36:02.760 being born when they shouldn't be born and all 00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:05.900 sorts of weirdness. And so I wanted to untangle 00:36:05.900 --> 00:36:08.940 that. Did I do that? No. Instead, I went back 00:36:08.940 --> 00:36:10.800 to my second -time's great -grandparents and 00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:13.519 I'm trying to fill out all of their death dates. 00:36:13.940 --> 00:36:16.400 And from being stuck the other week, I think 00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:17.880 I mentioned I just didn't know where to go and 00:36:17.880 --> 00:36:20.829 how to find anything. I've managed to find all 00:36:20.829 --> 00:36:24.789 but three, so... Fantastic. I know it's not masses 00:36:24.789 --> 00:36:28.710 of people, is it what, 16 people? Yeah. So I'm 00:36:28.710 --> 00:36:31.929 just three shy of having a full set there, which 00:36:31.929 --> 00:36:34.869 is quite exciting. It's really good. And what 00:36:34.869 --> 00:36:37.070 sort of records and steps and things did you 00:36:37.070 --> 00:36:39.530 take to accomplish that? Oh, I wish you hadn't 00:36:39.530 --> 00:36:44.110 asked. The probate one was great. I love the 00:36:44.110 --> 00:36:47.530 probate one. It's nice because it's got... Full 00:36:47.530 --> 00:36:50.369 proper dates on it. It's got links to family 00:36:50.369 --> 00:36:52.349 members. So it just makes it really obvious that 00:36:52.349 --> 00:36:54.230 it is the family member you're after. The National 00:36:54.230 --> 00:36:57.250 Probate Calendar. Yes. Yeah. It's delicious. 00:36:58.590 --> 00:37:03.110 So I use that one a lot. And I'm not quite sure. 00:37:03.250 --> 00:37:05.230 It must have been parish records, I'm guessing. 00:37:05.630 --> 00:37:09.070 I was getting lots of Find My Grey stuff and 00:37:09.070 --> 00:37:12.610 then linked parish records. It's all a blur, 00:37:12.710 --> 00:37:15.130 to be honest with you. But they all came up. 00:37:15.150 --> 00:37:18.059 It was all very nice. Good. Like the National 00:37:18.059 --> 00:37:20.539 Furry Calendar, then that is always delicious, 00:37:20.599 --> 00:37:23.559 as you say. It just feels, it's such a win. It's 00:37:23.559 --> 00:37:25.780 just a few, like three or four lines, isn't it? 00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:28.900 And it's jam -packed. It's just so factual. So 00:37:28.900 --> 00:37:31.400 many facts in such a short space of time. And 00:37:31.400 --> 00:37:33.420 it's always very nice to type it up so you can't 00:37:33.420 --> 00:37:36.300 miss the scroll. And it's like, yeah, that's 00:37:36.300 --> 00:37:38.860 him. He lived there. He died on that day. He 00:37:38.860 --> 00:37:42.469 was buried then, maybe. they're some of his children 00:37:42.469 --> 00:37:45.710 or his wife or whatever so it's just very very 00:37:45.710 --> 00:37:48.489 good isn't it it's like it's a good record I 00:37:48.489 --> 00:37:51.730 like it a lot but you have to have an ancestor 00:37:51.730 --> 00:37:57.989 who um who made a will yes yeah I mean like I 00:37:57.989 --> 00:38:00.829 said I'm three shy and I have looked at these 00:38:00.829 --> 00:38:04.449 three people so I am a little bit stuck I will 00:38:04.449 --> 00:38:07.469 endeavor to like go back to them I've probably 00:38:07.469 --> 00:38:09.269 learned a bit more finding the other ones out 00:38:09.269 --> 00:38:12.130 to be honest so it's like oh This is what I do, 00:38:12.269 --> 00:38:13.769 even though clearly I can't remember off the 00:38:13.769 --> 00:38:15.929 top of my head. So just those things to sort 00:38:15.929 --> 00:38:18.090 out, which would be lovely. And then I'm going 00:38:18.090 --> 00:38:21.610 to go back and sort out my weird problem with 00:38:21.610 --> 00:38:24.929 Marianne Blackburn and Marianne Blackburn and 00:38:24.929 --> 00:38:28.929 Joseph and Joseph. In my notebook, I've got scribbled 00:38:28.929 --> 00:38:33.969 notes from your chat about them. Not helpful 00:38:33.969 --> 00:38:36.489 ones. I'm just writing down what Nathan's wrote 00:38:36.489 --> 00:38:38.110 with like question marks all over the place. 00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:41.960 Probably makes more sense than mine hurts. No, 00:38:41.960 --> 00:38:46.920 I didn't think so. So back to the death certificate, 00:38:47.239 --> 00:38:49.219 so the death register entries. Have you looked 00:38:49.219 --> 00:38:51.719 for them? Because the timeframe you're researching 00:38:51.719 --> 00:38:53.380 in, they're going to be well within that, aren't 00:38:53.380 --> 00:38:56.820 they? I'm not sure I have. Because I know you 00:38:56.820 --> 00:38:59.679 have to spend a few quid to get them, but I just 00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:01.780 wonder whether you tried that or whether you 00:39:01.780 --> 00:39:03.099 felt like you're getting too many entries and 00:39:03.099 --> 00:39:04.519 you weren't sure which one was yours or what. 00:39:04.579 --> 00:39:08.340 I haven't tried that. Where do I find them? 3DNB? 00:39:09.019 --> 00:39:14.340 Yeah, free BMD and then the other one is the 00:39:14.340 --> 00:39:17.039 GRO certificates because you know how you can 00:39:17.039 --> 00:39:20.420 get the birth certificate so you can order the 00:39:20.420 --> 00:39:23.440 JPEGs and the PDFs. So for the time period you're 00:39:23.440 --> 00:39:26.460 in for deaths, you'll be able to do that as well. 00:39:27.059 --> 00:39:29.860 Yeah. Am I right in thinking I can only do that 00:39:29.860 --> 00:39:33.539 in two -year increments? Yes. Right. So that's 00:39:33.539 --> 00:39:37.099 the one I would go to free BMD first and cast 00:39:37.099 --> 00:39:40.340 a wider net. Drill it down, get your list of 00:39:40.340 --> 00:39:44.699 potential people. Yeah. Okay. That's what I'll 00:39:44.699 --> 00:39:48.199 do then. Yeah. Really good. Good progress. It 00:39:48.199 --> 00:39:51.460 is good progress. It's a bit boring though. It 00:39:51.460 --> 00:39:53.519 isn't boring because it's solidifying everything 00:39:53.519 --> 00:39:56.039 and yeah, I'm trying to see if I can sneak up 00:39:56.039 --> 00:40:00.260 to that elite score. But I want to get lost in 00:40:00.260 --> 00:40:03.239 the mystery now because I found it more exciting 00:40:03.239 --> 00:40:06.039 looking at my friend's tree. Because it was like, 00:40:06.039 --> 00:40:07.639 these are new, this is fresh, this is different. 00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:08.980 And it was like, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. 00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:11.039 So I found out lots of fun facts quite quickly. 00:40:11.619 --> 00:40:13.659 And obviously the further back you get, the harder 00:40:13.659 --> 00:40:16.480 it seems on your own tree. I'm not throwing the 00:40:16.480 --> 00:40:18.260 towel in though. It sounds like I am. I'm not. 00:40:19.099 --> 00:40:22.760 I'm going to get further back. No, you don't 00:40:22.760 --> 00:40:25.280 sound like that at all. Talking of tree score, 00:40:25.559 --> 00:40:32.239 then we have had some podcast people message 00:40:32.239 --> 00:40:35.480 in. and definitely somebody was talking about 00:40:35.480 --> 00:40:39.420 their tree score. Okay, so this is Neil and Neil 00:40:39.420 --> 00:40:44.739 emailed in and he said that he uses Family Tree 00:40:44.739 --> 00:40:48.739 Maker and Ancestry and he was talking about us 00:40:48.739 --> 00:40:51.599 talking about adding sources to our Ancestry 00:40:51.599 --> 00:40:54.280 trees to improve our tree score. We do do it 00:40:54.280 --> 00:40:56.199 so that we do good genealogy, don't we Nathan? 00:40:56.260 --> 00:40:59.360 It's not just to improve our tree score. The 00:40:59.360 --> 00:41:02.159 tree score is a very nice kind of encouraging 00:41:02.159 --> 00:41:06.380 way if you like games, I guess, isn't it? Anyway, 00:41:06.519 --> 00:41:08.699 Neil says, unfortunately, he has hundreds of 00:41:08.699 --> 00:41:10.780 people on his tree with no sources, which is 00:41:10.780 --> 00:41:13.719 bringing his tree score down because he only 00:41:13.719 --> 00:41:16.099 added a link and didn't add, like, for instance, 00:41:16.119 --> 00:41:18.860 a link to a website such as Freereg and he didn't 00:41:18.860 --> 00:41:21.420 add it as an actual source and he's finding this 00:41:21.420 --> 00:41:24.659 very annoying. Anyway, what he is doing, he's 00:41:24.659 --> 00:41:27.469 now adding his sources. to Family Tree Maker, 00:41:27.670 --> 00:41:30.010 and then he's syncing with Ancestry. So he is 00:41:30.010 --> 00:41:33.349 getting his sources in across both his desktop 00:41:33.349 --> 00:41:35.570 tree on Family Tree Maker and his Ancestry tree, 00:41:35.690 --> 00:41:39.570 and his tree score is going up. So that's very 00:41:39.570 --> 00:41:42.570 good, isn't it? Fantastic. Yeah. So it's not 00:41:42.570 --> 00:41:44.130 just good that his tree score's going up, it's 00:41:44.130 --> 00:41:48.590 good that he's adding sources to his Ancestry 00:41:48.590 --> 00:41:50.869 tree, because that's helpful for anyone else 00:41:50.869 --> 00:41:53.130 who looks at his tree. Yeah. I mean, like you 00:41:53.130 --> 00:41:55.550 say, it is almost like gamification, but it's 00:41:55.550 --> 00:41:57.570 actually creating good practice for people, isn't 00:41:57.570 --> 00:42:00.369 it? And isn't it? Because, you know, we think 00:42:00.369 --> 00:42:03.989 we're adults, but actually we respond to that, 00:42:04.030 --> 00:42:07.010 the tree score, just like a little kid. Yeah. 00:42:07.449 --> 00:42:09.909 Yeah. But like, obviously mine dropped by a point. 00:42:09.949 --> 00:42:11.829 It's like, okay, I need to go back and find some 00:42:11.829 --> 00:42:15.369 sources. It engaged the research brain. It wasn't 00:42:15.369 --> 00:42:17.849 just to get myself back up to the point. Obviously 00:42:17.849 --> 00:42:21.099 it was, but... It's helped me solidify a couple 00:42:21.099 --> 00:42:23.900 of people on my tree that I hadn't gotten citations 00:42:23.900 --> 00:42:26.179 for or I didn't have any documents for. So it's 00:42:26.179 --> 00:42:30.019 made me do some good research. Yeah. It's a good 00:42:30.019 --> 00:42:33.440 little prompt, isn't it? Definitely. So what 00:42:33.440 --> 00:42:36.219 are we going to do through the coming week then? 00:42:36.820 --> 00:42:38.300 Because you said you're going to carry on, get 00:42:38.300 --> 00:42:40.539 those final three. I want those final three. 00:42:40.619 --> 00:42:42.800 So I'll do what you've just suggested, which 00:42:42.800 --> 00:42:44.800 is obviously very much common sense. And I don't 00:42:44.800 --> 00:42:46.920 know why I didn't think to do that myself. But 00:42:46.920 --> 00:42:51.400 yeah, I'll try and do that. I want to find the 00:42:51.400 --> 00:42:54.760 missing child. I did mention this last week. 00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:56.780 There's a girl called Catherine that's appeared 00:42:56.780 --> 00:43:00.099 as a child of one of the jewels. If her mare 00:43:00.099 --> 00:43:03.239 is, I don't know which one. And there's just 00:43:03.239 --> 00:43:05.960 something a little bit wrong with her birth date 00:43:05.960 --> 00:43:10.059 that suggests something could have gone on. So 00:43:10.059 --> 00:43:13.019 I need to, well, one, find out if she's actually 00:43:13.019 --> 00:43:17.099 really on my tree and two, then clarify who wounds, 00:43:17.179 --> 00:43:20.090 where's and why's. So that one actually does 00:43:20.090 --> 00:43:22.349 sound like a little bit of a fun research task, 00:43:22.389 --> 00:43:24.789 a bit of digging. So I think that'll probably 00:43:24.789 --> 00:43:28.429 be enough for me. What about you? Down and out, 00:43:28.449 --> 00:43:30.989 left and right? Palming off your work to somebody 00:43:30.989 --> 00:43:34.989 else? I'm going to properly go through everything 00:43:34.989 --> 00:43:38.909 that Mary's given me so that I'm not just... 00:43:38.909 --> 00:43:43.139 So that I feel like... Up to speed with the information 00:43:43.139 --> 00:43:45.460 that I've kind of thoroughly got it. I'm going 00:43:45.460 --> 00:43:47.280 to add it all to my family tree maker. And then 00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:48.860 just like Neil said, I'm going to sync it up 00:43:48.860 --> 00:43:51.300 to ancestry. So I've got everything up to date 00:43:51.300 --> 00:43:54.639 across both bits. And then because I'm me, it's 00:43:54.639 --> 00:44:00.199 not a rabbit hole, but I will be just getting 00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:02.440 maps and noting the addresses. Because I feel 00:44:02.440 --> 00:44:05.639 like with so many Thomas Jones, any other information 00:44:05.639 --> 00:44:08.119 I've got about them, like their occupations, 00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:12.079 places they lived. all of their children for 00:44:12.079 --> 00:44:15.519 each of them. And that's going to help me identify 00:44:15.519 --> 00:44:18.880 them in other records. I need lots of help. Otherwise, 00:44:18.920 --> 00:44:21.179 just saying you're looking for Thomas Jones is 00:44:21.179 --> 00:44:22.780 like, well, here you go. There's six million 00:44:22.780 --> 00:44:25.619 Thomas Jones. Take your pick. Yeah. That's a 00:44:25.619 --> 00:44:27.860 fun plan. That is a good plan. Do you know what? 00:44:27.860 --> 00:44:30.420 I've just remembered as well. I used a tag last 00:44:30.420 --> 00:44:32.719 week. Didn't have to tag Catherine. Oh, yeah. 00:44:32.989 --> 00:44:34.690 So I don't have to worry about where she's on 00:44:34.690 --> 00:44:37.170 my tree. So I'll just go to my tags and boom, 00:44:37.369 --> 00:44:40.070 I'll click on the one that says danger. Yes, 00:44:40.230 --> 00:44:45.400 yes. Wow. And then also, if you forget what your 00:44:45.400 --> 00:44:47.860 tag's called, you can just go to your tags and 00:44:47.860 --> 00:44:49.760 then go into custom tags and it will have your 00:44:49.760 --> 00:44:52.840 custom tags there. So let's say the months go 00:44:52.840 --> 00:44:54.739 by and you're busy setting yourself all sorts 00:44:54.739 --> 00:44:56.380 of other projects and you've forgotten to look 00:44:56.380 --> 00:44:58.539 at Catherine. You've perhaps even forgotten that 00:44:58.539 --> 00:45:00.800 you've tagged her with the word danger. It doesn't 00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:03.119 matter. You can just go into your tags and you'll 00:45:03.119 --> 00:45:05.219 probably be going to add a tag to somebody else 00:45:05.219 --> 00:45:06.679 about something else entirely different. You 00:45:06.679 --> 00:45:09.599 go, what's this danger tag? And then you'll find 00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:12.739 your little note yourself. That happens to me. 00:45:12.880 --> 00:45:16.400 But it's, although you feel slightly crackers 00:45:16.400 --> 00:45:19.019 that you've even forgotten you made such an organised 00:45:19.019 --> 00:45:23.639 note to yourself, it's jolly helpful. It is. 00:45:24.079 --> 00:45:26.519 I have one question about tags before we go. 00:45:26.840 --> 00:45:30.880 How do I find my tags? So you can just go to, 00:45:30.920 --> 00:45:33.500 when you're in your tree, let me just fire at 00:45:33.500 --> 00:45:35.800 you so I'm not going to be talking off the top 00:45:35.800 --> 00:45:38.599 of my head. So you go to somebody's profile and 00:45:38.599 --> 00:45:41.780 then there'll be a little pen. Okay, so somebody's 00:45:41.780 --> 00:45:45.300 profiles opened up. So it has their name and 00:45:45.300 --> 00:45:46.800 their birth and death dates at the top on the 00:45:46.800 --> 00:45:49.980 profile. And then there'll be a little pen. And 00:45:49.980 --> 00:45:52.699 if you hover over the little pen, the word will 00:45:52.699 --> 00:45:55.460 come up, which says edit tags. So you can go 00:45:55.460 --> 00:45:58.579 to press that little pen or pencil, whatever 00:45:58.579 --> 00:46:02.210 you want to call it, and then edit. The little 00:46:02.210 --> 00:46:03.449 sidebar will come up on the right -hand side. 00:46:03.510 --> 00:46:05.170 Then press Edit down the bottom, and then all 00:46:05.170 --> 00:46:08.309 the tags will appear, all the MyTree tags. So 00:46:08.309 --> 00:46:10.849 there'll be a tag switch ancestry you've automatically 00:46:10.849 --> 00:46:14.650 set up. So DNA tags, life experience tags, relationship 00:46:14.650 --> 00:46:18.210 tags, research status tags. And then at the top 00:46:18.210 --> 00:46:20.630 of that is a section called Custom Tags, and 00:46:20.630 --> 00:46:23.829 in there you'll find your danger. Okay, cool. 00:46:24.050 --> 00:46:26.409 Yeah, I think that's the best way to do it. Nice 00:46:26.409 --> 00:46:28.929 one. Thank you. Yeah. While I'm here, though. 00:46:29.309 --> 00:46:30.829 Because while I was looking to see if there's 00:46:30.829 --> 00:46:32.489 a different way of finding out about the tags. 00:46:32.769 --> 00:46:34.610 Then another thing is, so you're on their profile. 00:46:34.929 --> 00:46:38.230 Go to the top right -hand corner. And right in 00:46:38.230 --> 00:46:40.469 the far corner is the word edit. And then the 00:46:40.469 --> 00:46:43.650 button next to that says tools. And then if you 00:46:43.650 --> 00:46:45.710 click the word tools, a drop -down menu will 00:46:45.710 --> 00:46:48.250 appear. And it will say, quite far down the list, 00:46:48.329 --> 00:46:52.190 it will say show research tools. And then just 00:46:52.190 --> 00:46:55.230 experiment with ticking and unticking that. Because 00:46:55.230 --> 00:46:58.139 if you have it ticked. then it will show lots 00:46:58.139 --> 00:47:01.940 of handy options on your little profile bar at 00:47:01.940 --> 00:47:03.960 the top. So my colour scheme I've chosen is just 00:47:03.960 --> 00:47:06.679 the dark grey one. So I've got show research 00:47:06.679 --> 00:47:09.739 tools. So that means I can see immediately when 00:47:09.739 --> 00:47:12.059 I'm on somebody's profile, I can go view in tree, 00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:14.719 i .e. to view where they are in the tree. I can 00:47:14.719 --> 00:47:18.039 view notes about them, view comments, merge with 00:47:18.039 --> 00:47:21.820 safety tree, print. Yeah. So it's lots of handy 00:47:21.820 --> 00:47:25.420 things I can see at a glance. No. Yeah. Yeah, 00:47:25.460 --> 00:47:27.800 that sounds really good. Yeah. Oh, thank you. 00:47:28.360 --> 00:47:30.420 So we're going to have a nice time then getting 00:47:30.420 --> 00:47:32.880 on with our new bits of research. Yep. Fingers 00:47:32.880 --> 00:47:35.300 crossed. You will do. Yeah. I think you're going 00:47:35.300 --> 00:47:37.800 to have all of them by next week. That sounds 00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:39.440 great. I'd be quite happy with that actually. 00:47:39.480 --> 00:47:42.460 That'd be really cool. Yeah. Yeah. Again, well 00:47:42.460 --> 00:47:44.820 have fun then. Yep. You too. Good researching 00:47:44.820 --> 00:47:46.800 everybody. Yeah. Happy research. Bye bye.