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motherhood where sleep is a rumor and laundry

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is eternal and somehow we're supposed to be raising

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tiny humans through it all we're here to laugh

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at the chaos cry when necessary and remind you

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that none of us actually know what we're doing

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this is no manual a mom cast your mom friend

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group chat but with microphones welcome back

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to no manual mom cast Hi, everyone. Welcome back

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to No Manual, a mom cast. We are super excited

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about today's episode. We get to have our friend

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Lindsay Boyko back on. The first time she was

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on, we just chatted about your story. And this

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time we're going to talk like a bit more on cycle

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tracking and fertility tracking, all the things

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that I feel like I'm totally unaware of. So it's

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gonna be great. Yeah. So I'm going to learn.

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I feel like Erica and Lindsay are like, have

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some knowledge and I'm just going to be like,

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I feel like I can give like an elevator pitch,

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but if anyone like wanted details, I'd be like,

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do not ask me any further questions. I don't

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know. Yeah. Right. Yep. Well, here's the book

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that I read. That's what you should do. Yes.

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Literally. Well, before we hop in, do we want

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to start with our mom moments of the week? Sure.

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Erica, you want to go first? Yeah. So. As anyone

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who listens knows, Lloyd loves the Cars movies.

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Yes. Cars 3 is his favorite, but he likes all

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of them. Cars 3 is his favorite. That's a hot

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take. I don't actually think I've seen that.

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I love that for him. I don't think I have either.

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Yeah, it's a good one. Okay. But so this is a

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spoiler. If you've not seen them, I'm sorry.

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Cars has been out for 20 years. So at this point,

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I think you can get over it. Has it been 21 years?

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It's been 21 years. Guys, we're all broke. We're

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all broke. Okay. But in both Cars 1 and Cars

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3, there's a crash. So in Cars 1, it's like the

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old race car. Mr. The King. Mr. The King, exactly.

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And in Cars 3, lightning crashes. Oh, my God.

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And Lloyd and his just like sweet, empathetic

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heart every time. We watch these movies all the

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time. I mean, at least once a month, we watch

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each of them. And he just, like, gets so sad

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when it crashes. And, like, he needs me to hold

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him. He, like, almost starts crying both times,

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like, whenever we watch either. And I was telling

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Stuart the other day, I was like, I don't know,

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like, I don't want to encourage this. Like, that's

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not the right word. But, like, clearly he has,

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like, he understands that this hurts the cars.

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Yeah. And that makes him really sad. And that's

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such a sweet, empathetic thing that I want to

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encourage that. like aspect of his personality

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to like care about people and things. So now

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every time we watch Cars, and he talks about

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the crashes all the time. He goes, lightning

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crashes are really scary. Lloyd got sad. But

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lightning's okay now, right, buddy? Lightning's

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okay now. Just every time we watch Cars. It's

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so interesting how their brains work because

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it's like he knows that's coming. He knows it's

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happening, but he's still processing it. I mean,

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to be fair, My Girl is one of those movies for

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me where I'm like, I know how it ends. Yeah,

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you're like, and I'm still crying. And I will

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still be sobbing when it ends. This is true.

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Maven is the same way with Cars 1 too. Really?

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Yeah, she loves Cars right now. Like we're super

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into Hot Wheels and all the Cars and whatever.

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But Lightning McQueen, and so when Mr. The King

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crashes at the end, she doesn't say, she's like,

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what's happening? Every time, what's happening?

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Oh no, his body is hurting. And then she'll be

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like, McQueen, go check on him. That's kind.

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That's nice, friend. I'm like that. is a nice

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friend so we talk about you know it's so funny

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cars that scene did make me cry when i was pregnant

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with zeta oh yeah like that was just it was not

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it's just an empty car Yes. Like, why am I crying

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at this movie? It's so good. I still tear up

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sometimes. It's so good. Pixar knows what they're

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doing. Yes. That's amazing. All right. What do

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we got? Okay. My mom moment. So I was telling

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you guys before, we've just been sick, like,

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constantly. Don't know really what's going on.

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But poor Colty. This was two Sundays ago. We

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were at church. I get a text from one of the

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kids been volunteers like, hey, do you have a

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change of clothes for Cole? He just like he just

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had a big blowout. And I'm like, man, like he

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it's been a while since like, I mean, he's two

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and a half. Like he doesn't have a lot of blowouts.

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And I was like, oh, God, this bad. So I did not

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have a change of clothes, unfortunately, because

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I don't usually carry a change of clothes for

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him anymore. And get back there. And he's just

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like on the changing table. And there's just

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like poop everywhere up his back. And I mean,

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it hasn't been that long since I talked about.

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poopmageddon which is like our christmas experience

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and i'm like man we are just getting hit left

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and right with sickness but poor guy like he

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ended up having like a tummy bug for like two

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days but um one funny thing well actually two

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funny things so he actually pooped on the carpet

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at church um don't know how it happened because

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it did not get on his clothes at all And we really

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did not need a change of clothes. They just thought

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it was going to be like everywhere on his clothes

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whenever they texted me. Poop was not on his

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clothes at all. Somehow it was on the rug at

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church. So then later that day, I ended up obviously

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taking him out of Kidsman. I was like, yeah,

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we're not going to deal with this. We went home.

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And then at another time during the day, he's

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like under the kitchen table just squeezing,

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like just trying to poop. And then he walks over

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to me. He's like, mom, I'm all done. He's like

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waddling over to me. And it was like, it was

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not good again. But then I look and under our

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kitchen table, there's poop under the kitchen

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table. And I'm like, how is this happening? It's

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not on his pants at all. Yeah. And what I think

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happened, so he's squatting. I think it literally

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shot up his back, like over his diaper. Yeah.

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Because it was not on his pants. It was not down

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his legs. Nothing. The mystery poop on the floor.

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I still don't know how it happened. Defying the

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laws of physics. Yeah. But I'm like, the force

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of the poop was just like so strong. It just

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shot up the diaper and onto the floor. And I'm

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like, that, I mean, impressive. But also nasty.

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You're like, I still have to clean up poop off

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the floor. Which was not a fun time. done worse

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things, I guess. It's not the first time. It

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really didn't phase me at all at this point.

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There's so many poop stories I could tell right

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now. The one that I have for this week is so

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classic motherhood things. My husband Spencer

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was on a retreat all week by himself and so I

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was home with Maven. There was one of the days

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that I was just going through it, like mentally.

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I was like, I'm so on edge. I'm, you know, I'm

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like struggling with anxiety. I have OCD. I'm

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like intrusive thoughts left and right. Like

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I'm just not having a good time. And so I was

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really short fuse with Maven and I was like,

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I could tell I'm just having a rough day, you

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know? And so. And I caught myself a couple different

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times during the day and being like, when I'm

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80, this is the time I'd want to go back to.

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I'm trying to be present. I'm like all the things

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that older moms say. But today, I want today

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to end. I know. I'm like, today, if she could

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just go to bed a couple hours early, that'd be

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nice. And then sleep all the way through the

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night. Yes. What a dream. And so all day, I'm

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just like, I'm feeling really sad for myself

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or whatever. And as soon as I put her down to

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bed, she's so sweet when I rock her. We'll sit

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in her room in the dark and just rock. pray and

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whatever. And I'll lay her down. She's so sweet.

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And so she was being, you know, of course it's

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like, I have this horrible day and I'm like short

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with her and angry and irritated. I'm just like,

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try not to lose it. And then we're in the chair

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and she's just like touching my face and like

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praying with me and go, I love you, mama. I love

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you. And she go, I so sorry, mama. And I'm like,

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Oh my God. So I lay her down and I go in our

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room and then I just start like scrolling through

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pictures of our day, just crying. Cause then

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I'm like, I was so bad. I'm like, okay, I wish

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I could just redo this day. You know, I'm like,

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we had such a good time. We went to this little

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like play cafe that's in Bradburn. So it's like

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a little coffee bar. It's called Play Date. It's

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amazing. The owners are great, but. You know,

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so we had like a really good day, but I'm like

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sitting in the room. I'm like on our floor. Like

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Spence is gone. I'm just by myself. Maven like

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went down to bed like an angel. And I'm sitting

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there just like crying. And I'm like, oh, this

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is the worst. I'm like, you know, all the things

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you tell yourself. You're like, I should have

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been more patient. I'm the worst mom ever. You

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know, all this stuff. And I texted Spence and

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he was, you know, so sweet. He was like, you

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can still show her love tomorrow. Like be gentle

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with yourself. You know, it was like so kind.

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And I was like, this is so classic. Like the.

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highs and lows of being a mom. It's like I felt

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every range of emotion in a matter of like 20

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minutes. I was like, God, I'm exhausted. So,

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you know, and then I woke up the next day and

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I was like, okay, we're going to do it again.

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You know, and it's still like, it's never perfect.

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But yeah, I was like, this is the ultimate like.

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I'm sitting on the floor just crying, looking

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at my sweet baby on the Nana camera. I'm like,

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oh, she's perfect. You're like, I just want to

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go ahead and wake her up. I know. I'm like, really

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horrible day. And now I feel even worse. It's

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so interesting. That was like every day this

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week. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. It happens so often.

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But I was like, this is so classic. It's just

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all of it all the time. It's so interesting whenever

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your kids start to pick up on your emotions and

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the empathy kicks in. Like, mama, are you OK?

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Yeah. Like, you know, it'd be like, Oh mama's

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sad. You know? And I cry if I'm like really,

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really happy or really sad, you know? She's like,

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Oh mama is sad. Your heart is hurting. I'm like,

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Oh my God. I like cry more, you know? A little,

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I don't know. But that's so sweet. Great. Yeah.

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Oh, well, um, let's just hop right in. So we're

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chatting about cycle tracking, fertility tracking,

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all the things. Um, I know pretty much nothing

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other than like when I'm ovulating and when I'm

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on my period. And that's like. Which I feel like

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is pretty normal. It's pretty normal. And even

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like the ovulation piece is like more than most

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women know. I think it's like the period is the

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most obvious. Yeah. I think like how many people

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and like myself included think or like thought

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like, oh, you can, unless you're on your period,

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you can get pregnant. You can just get pregnant

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at any time. We all saw Mean Girls. Coach Carr

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is like, don't have sex. You will get pregnant

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and die. I feel like that is most people's sex

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ed is that, which sort of technically is true,

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but not really if you actually know things. I

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feel like your experience is very normal. I know

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for me that was very similar to what I knew.

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Up until... Which, yeah, is mostly nothing. Like,

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we're just not... Four years ago, something like

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that. Three, four years ago. So give us, like,

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I guess, a little bit of your background. Like,

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have you been on other forms of birth control?

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Yes, like, no. And then, like, kind of what brought

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you to fertility tracking? Yeah. First, I want

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to say two things. I think, one, everything we're

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going to talk about today is not just for women

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that are, like, sexually active. Tracking and

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syncing and fertility awareness and everything

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is for all women everywhere. I will say, just

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to interrupt you, obviously, right away. No,

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one of the things for me, when I've tracked my

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entire cycle, I can predict my period within

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a 24 -hour window. Yeah, same. Which is... I've

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never been able to do that before until I started

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tracking my cycle. And that's so nice to know.

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Usually it's like, okay, I know it's going to

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start within the next week. And then I'm like,

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okay, I know it's going to start within the next

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24 hours. It's pretty wild. It's so empowering.

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It's so much easier. Well, yeah, just like logistically.

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Logistically, and then you're like, oh, this

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is why I want to kill literally everyone today.

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Gotcha. Gotcha. Gotcha. Yes. So yeah, there's

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like markers for just women in general in our

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cycle that are rhythmic and predictable. And,

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you know, and we just like, if we're not aware

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of them or we don't have never been taught, it's

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hard. I mean, you just, you're, I think you're

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just completely in the dark. So you're just like

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guessing. So yeah, everything we're going to

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talk about, I think is like for all women, not

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even. you know, married, unmarried, sexually

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active, not sexually active, whatever. And it

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also comes with a level of like, I'm going to

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try not to say TMI ever. Cause we're talking

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about like cervical mucus and like periods and

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you know, whatever. But part of this conversation,

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if you don't want to hear that stuff, you can

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just skip this episode. But I think in general

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is to like kind of de -stigmatize and like take

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away some of the shame. Cause it's like, you

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know, we grew up, I think our generation in general

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and generations, you know. older than us like

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there's so much like secrecy around the menstrual

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cycle in general or just like shame or like gross

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like don't talk about it which does not help

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women and so there's like you know this whole

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other soapbox about like women's health and all

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that but yeah for all women I think it's like

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it's a deep dive so prepare for that as best

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you can if you're listening and then also like

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I think everybody's applied version of this looks

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different. So we're going to be talking a lot

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about like fertility and pregnancy and whatever.

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And that is not a one size fits all for everybody.

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So I know that there's like nuance and sensitivity

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and just like infertility and cycle tracking

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in general. And so just know that too. And you

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use cycle tracking both as like a birth control

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method. And then remind me, were you guys intentionally

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like were getting pregnant and did you use it

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or was it kind of just. We're waiting to see

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what happens. Yeah. Yeah. So, okay. Yeah. So

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we, so my husband and I got married six years

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ago. And so back to your initial question, I

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had tried hormonal birth control in high school

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because of my skin. I was like, I had horrible

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cystic acne and went to the doctor and, you know,

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they just like prescribe you the pill. And so

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I was like, okay. And I wasn't having sex in

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high school. I'm like, I wasn't sexually active.

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until I was married. And so I didn't need it

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for anything else. I was like, it was just like

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for my skin at that point. So I was on the pill

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for like two weeks maybe in high school. I was

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like 16 and I wanted to drive my car off a road.

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Like it was, I felt horrid on it. Was it like

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immediate almost? It was immediate for me. Yeah.

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And I just felt horrible. And so like, that's

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the other thing too. Nothing that I'm talking

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about. Like my own experience is I did not love

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hormonal birth control. I know some women do

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really well on it. That was not my journey. I

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had a similar experience. Yeah. And I tried like.

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at least three different types. So really every

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single one I was like, yes. Okay. So yeah, that's

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a whole other thing. Like how hormonal birth

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control works in general, just, it suppresses

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all of your hormones. So it like, it makes you

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like not ovulate. Any bleeding is like withdrawal

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bleeding. So it's not even a true like menstrual

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period. Like, so anyways, I did horrible on hormonal

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birth control in high school for the short time.

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And so was never on it again. And then, you know,

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we start dating, get engaged. And I'm like, okay,

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well, I don't want to have a baby right away.

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Like we knew that we wanted to wait a couple

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years at least before getting pregnant. Obviously

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there's a piece of just like getting married

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and knowing that I wanted to be a mom that I

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was like, if it happens, like the Lord is good,

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you know, like all in God's time, it'll be fine.

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But like, what can we do to prevent like getting

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pregnant right away? And so this thus started

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the deep dive on like, I don't even, I feel like

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I know nothing about my body or my cycle or,

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you know, and then you start thinking about like,

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at least for me, I was like, what even, how,

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like sex just adds a different layer of like,

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okay, so now I want to further my understanding

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and like my own, not control, but just like,

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I don't know, power as like a woman and understanding

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my own body. Anyway, so I started looking into

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birth control in general. There's like, you know,

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the mini pill, which is like progesterone only.

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So I like, I was not totally sold on cycle tracking

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at first because I was like, all that I had heard

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about it was honestly from my like ultra conservative,

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like Catholic friends and felt very like male

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dominant and like controlling and weird. And

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I was like, that doesn't sound fun. And I also

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feel like there is a difference from my understanding

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at least between Fertility awareness method and

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natural family planning. Yes. Where natural family

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planning goes on the assumption that you have

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a 28 -day cycle. Yep. Yeah, so like calendar

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method, rhythm method is different than this.

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It doesn't track your actual like body symptoms.

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It's just like, okay, here's your calendar. We're

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going to assume that if your period is this week

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that you're ovulating this week. Yep, circle

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this day, whatever. And that's it. Whereas fertility

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awareness is like actually based on scientific

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information. how your body fluctuates throughout

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the, whether your cycle is 28 days, which is

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also an average. And most women do not have 28

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day cycles. Yeah. And even if you miss it by

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like 12 to 24 hours, it's like, that's still,

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there's some risk there, you know? So yeah. So

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fertility awareness method or FAM is different

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than like rhythm or calendar tracking. Cause

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yeah, it uses biological markers. So cervical

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mucus, LH surge, which is luteinizing hormone,

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which happens during ovulation. And then. temperature.

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So your basal body temperature rises after you

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ovulate. So like confirms that you've ovulated

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and whatever. So there's like actual biological

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like signs that you're using. If you're really

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into like prove. You can also check your cervical

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position. Yes. I never did that. Yep. I did that

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for a while. It's fascinating. And even like

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the. I said I wasn't going to say TMI, but you

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can check the texture and the feeling of your

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cervix at different parts in your cycle and your

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whole body tilts. It's crazy. What? Anyways,

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yeah. Basically, when you're ovulating, to put

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your body in a perfect position in order to get

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pregnant. Wow. Your body actually wants to get

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pregnant when you're ovulating. Yes. Yeah. So

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there's this kind of alignment that happens when

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you're ovulating. Guys, our bodies are so cool.

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It's so cool. So, yeah. I'm so happy to be talking

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about this right now. So yeah. So when we were

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engaged, I was like, okay, I think, and I, and

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I had told Spence, like I, I felt horrible on

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hormonal birth control and he's been so supportive

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the whole time. That's the other piece of this

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is like having him, uh, like carry also the like

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mental and emotional weight of something like

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this. It's like, it's not just me anymore. Like

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he's. we're going to be married. There's a part

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of like planning for a family and just like my

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health that he also cares about. So having a

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partner that's like supportive and like also

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in this decision with you, I think it made all

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the difference for me. So he was very supportive

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from the get go. Did he have any like concerns

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or again, like he went to, I'm guessing public

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school, like had a standard sex ed. Yeah. We

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basically knew the same amount of information.

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So with that, was he like, nervous or like i

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don't know scared maybe yeah i think we both

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were okay i mean so i started once we decided

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like okay i think i want to try this like cycle

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tracking thing and that was you know seven eight

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years ago now so there wasn't like aura rings

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there's no like i used a thermometer that was

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connected to an app it was called daisy and so

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i bought the daisy thermometer or whatever connected

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to an app now natural cycles has like a more

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kind of affordable version which is great. And

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it connects to, you know, smart watches and rings

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and all that. But so I started tracking a couple

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months before we got married, just so I could

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like learn and know whatever before sex was even

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like on the table. Um, cause we were both nervous.

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Cause I was like, what are the odds? I just do

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this wrong. Or like it actually works. Yes. I'm

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like, we're going to get pregnant right away.

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We're going to have a baby downtown. It's going

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to be like, not a nightmare, you know, but like

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not what we planned. So yeah. So I started tracking

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just with like temperature at first, just to

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kind of like learn even what are the like peaks

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and how does your temperature even change over

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a cycle and all that. Um, so by the time we got

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married, I had a better idea of like, okay, I

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think I, you know, ovulate close today, like

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13, 14, and then was kind of like learning more

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about the. like cervical mucus and like signs

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that kind of point towards ovulation and then

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understanding my own body more for a couple of

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months before we got married. And then we get

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married and I was like, well, time to test this

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out, I guess. Yeah. So realistically, so there's

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kind of, there's four pieces to. fertility awareness.

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It's like one is just understanding the phases

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of your cycle. So there's the menstrual phase,

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follicular phase, ovulation, and then luteal

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phase. So each one kind of carries a different

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tone. There's different hormones that are dominant

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in each phase. And I feel like most women, like

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when you explain it, they're like, oh, that makes

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perfect sense. Like, yeah. Yeah. Like your luteal

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phase. Usually in the luteal phase, you're like,

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I'm a psycho. Right. It's like what's leading

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up to your period. And so that's when you're

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like, oh, yes, I'm. Or progesterone dominant

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in our luteal phase. Like I'm angry and I'm sad

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all the time and feeling all of the like kind

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of negative emotions. Yeah. Especially if you're

00:21:40.880 --> 00:21:43.359
not. Well, I mean, that's kind of a whole other

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thing, but like ovulation happens, your temperature

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spikes, you know, and then your temperature is

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sustained pretty high in order to like warm.

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a new pregnancy. And so once your body realizes

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that you're not pregnant, progesterone crashes.

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And then, you know, that's when we feel the kind

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of like just weepy, like whatever, because our

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hormones are literally like shifting in a matter

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of hours because our body is like preparing to

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start our period. So there's just, it's so fascinating

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and it like aligns so closely with like how we

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feel, you know, it's like each, like I said,

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like each. phase has a different tone emotionally

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that carries different weight. So the first like

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piece of it is like just understanding the phases

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and like what's happening. The second is then

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like looking for the like biomarkers of ovulation,

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which again are like cervical mucus can kind

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of like point to ovulation is coming. And then

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on either side, like our cervical mucus is different

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outside of ovulation. And so there's like a pretty

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clear like difference and then thermometer or

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like basal body. temperature like tracking um

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kind of confirms ovulation so our temperature

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doesn't spike until after you ovulate and then

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kind of all the rage right now which is like

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it helps because there's a visual is like ovulation

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test strips test for the lh surge which is essentially

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what like releases the egg from your ovary so

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there's kind of like three ways you can like

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really hone in on like okay ovulation is happening

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and ovulation is like it is a vital sign, like

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similar to like blood pressure, like heart rate,

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whatever, like for women, the ovulation phase

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or just being able to ovulate in general is so

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key to our hormone health. So even just knowing

00:23:17.619 --> 00:23:19.680
that about your body and knowing that like you're

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ovulating regularly or whatever, again, like

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outside of certain medical conditions and different

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things is so key to just like understanding our

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health. So anyways, I feel like I'm getting sidetracked.

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Faces. what are the biomarkers to like kind of

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point to ovulation and then just like how you're

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applying it. So for us, we used it to avoid pregnancy

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for three years successfully. You know, it's

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like, there's always kind of like a, in the back

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of your mind, I'm like, what if everything was

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wrong and I ovulated four days early and I'm

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going to have a baby in this cycle. You know,

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I'm like, I'm not ready for that. But the like.

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efficacy or just like the success rate in fertility

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tracking versus hormonal birth control is the

00:24:01.529 --> 00:24:03.589
same if you do it right. So like each method,

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it's like you have to take the pill at the same

00:24:05.009 --> 00:24:07.269
time every day. You have to take your basal body

00:24:07.269 --> 00:24:08.890
temperature. You have to look for these signs

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in the same fashion every single time to really

00:24:12.190 --> 00:24:14.490
know what's happening in your body. So there's

00:24:14.490 --> 00:24:17.089
like effort involved. But I know for me, like

00:24:17.089 --> 00:24:21.059
I was. I had heard about it before I, like, really

00:24:21.059 --> 00:24:23.099
put any effort into learning about fertility

00:24:23.099 --> 00:24:25.920
awareness. And it was one of those things, which

00:24:25.920 --> 00:24:28.359
I think is a common, like, this is why I don't

00:24:28.359 --> 00:24:29.960
want to do it, is because of the effort. And

00:24:29.960 --> 00:24:31.440
that is one thing where it's like, well, unless

00:24:31.440 --> 00:24:34.500
you have an IUD, all other birth control takes

00:24:34.500 --> 00:24:37.099
effort. And with this, one of the draws for me

00:24:37.099 --> 00:24:39.539
was like, and now, like, you know your body so

00:24:39.539 --> 00:24:42.630
much better. And yes, it's hard, like. taking

00:24:42.630 --> 00:24:45.029
your temperature at the same time because you

00:24:45.029 --> 00:24:47.710
also like. Before you move or talk or sit up

00:24:47.710 --> 00:24:49.410
or, you know, it's like there are things about

00:24:49.410 --> 00:24:52.529
it that are not super simple. Yes. Like now,

00:24:52.569 --> 00:24:54.390
because I have my cycle back after having Zeta,

00:24:54.430 --> 00:24:57.410
I did get like a band that tracks my temperature

00:24:57.410 --> 00:24:58.950
overnight. So that way I don't have to worry

00:24:58.950 --> 00:25:01.349
about that. Smart rings do the same thing. You

00:25:01.349 --> 00:25:02.950
don't have to have a thermometer. Yeah. It's

00:25:02.950 --> 00:25:05.410
great. But yeah, where it's like there are parameters

00:25:05.410 --> 00:25:08.250
and like that was kind of the scary part for

00:25:08.250 --> 00:25:10.710
me. You know, where it's like, well... What if

00:25:10.710 --> 00:25:13.410
it's wrong? What if it's wrong? What if... Yeah,

00:25:13.450 --> 00:25:15.170
I didn't sleep right the night before, so my

00:25:15.170 --> 00:25:17.809
temperature, whatever that looks like. But yeah,

00:25:17.930 --> 00:25:21.049
every other birth control method, there is effort

00:25:21.049 --> 00:25:23.549
in some capacity. There's risk either way. Yes.

00:25:23.630 --> 00:25:25.990
And I think for us, like, the risk was worth

00:25:25.990 --> 00:25:29.170
it enough for my, like, mental and physical health.

00:25:29.490 --> 00:25:31.410
And then again, once I really started learning

00:25:31.410 --> 00:25:34.750
about it, it became so empowering and so helpful

00:25:34.750 --> 00:25:39.049
to not only... Our fertility journey or just

00:25:39.049 --> 00:25:41.500
like. planning for a family or not planning for

00:25:41.500 --> 00:25:43.839
a family, you know, but like very freeing and

00:25:43.839 --> 00:25:47.019
just like our sex life. And it became like, I

00:25:47.019 --> 00:25:48.940
wasn't afraid, you know, of anything. I was like,

00:25:48.980 --> 00:25:51.359
I know my body well enough now to know almost

00:25:51.359 --> 00:25:53.700
to like the hour. Like there were certain times

00:25:53.700 --> 00:25:56.880
where I, you can feel physical, like ovulation

00:25:56.880 --> 00:26:01.140
pain. And so when you ovulate, like I knew when

00:26:01.140 --> 00:26:02.900
I got pregnant with Maven, I knew what side I

00:26:02.900 --> 00:26:05.319
ovulated from. Like I could feel it on a specific

00:26:05.319 --> 00:26:07.799
side. I knew what day, like. By the time that

00:26:07.799 --> 00:26:09.220
we were ready to get pregnant, which is the other

00:26:09.220 --> 00:26:13.119
piece of this, I had it so locked down. I was

00:26:13.119 --> 00:26:16.079
like, I know for absolute certain, these are

00:26:16.079 --> 00:26:18.240
the six days. So the other part of the like fertility

00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:22.180
window is you ovulate and the egg is viable for

00:26:22.180 --> 00:26:26.160
up to 24 hours, but sperm can live in a fertile

00:26:26.160 --> 00:26:29.200
like body for up to five days. And so there's

00:26:29.200 --> 00:26:32.119
like a six day fertility window. And it's a little

00:26:32.119 --> 00:26:34.599
bit. person to person is my understanding. I

00:26:34.599 --> 00:26:36.000
could be totally, it depends on the health of

00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:37.859
the sperm. I'm not an expert on this, so please

00:26:37.859 --> 00:26:39.720
don't quote me on it. Don't quote us on anything.

00:26:39.940 --> 00:26:42.140
Do your own research. But my understanding is

00:26:42.140 --> 00:26:44.359
it's like, I could have like a six day fertility

00:26:44.359 --> 00:26:46.019
window and you could have like a three day fertility

00:26:46.019 --> 00:26:49.000
window just because of how our bodies are different.

00:26:49.180 --> 00:26:51.559
Yeah. It's never longer than six days I think

00:26:51.559 --> 00:26:54.180
is like the gist. And again, it's like back to

00:26:54.180 --> 00:26:55.579
the mean girls thing. It's like I grew up being

00:26:55.579 --> 00:26:57.799
like, if I have sex one time, I'm going to get

00:26:57.799 --> 00:27:00.339
pregnant because you know, which also I think

00:27:00.339 --> 00:27:03.019
is why like, I know this conversation is much,

00:27:03.059 --> 00:27:05.500
much bigger, but I think that has a lot to do

00:27:05.500 --> 00:27:08.319
with the infertility we see. Yes, there are definitely

00:27:08.319 --> 00:27:10.519
situations where it's like you are experiencing

00:27:10.519 --> 00:27:13.180
something in your body, one of you, that is causing

00:27:13.180 --> 00:27:15.619
an issue getting pregnant. But I think a lot

00:27:15.619 --> 00:27:17.819
of us, again, having the same experience of the

00:27:17.819 --> 00:27:20.019
mean girls situation. We just don't know actually

00:27:20.019 --> 00:27:21.539
how to get pregnant. We don't know how to get

00:27:21.539 --> 00:27:24.000
pregnant. So then when it's like, oh, well, we

00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:26.599
went off birth control and stopped using condoms

00:27:26.599 --> 00:27:30.019
and I didn't get pregnant. after having sex twice,

00:27:30.220 --> 00:27:32.220
there's something wrong with me. It's like, well,

00:27:32.240 --> 00:27:35.200
maybe there is. And again, I know plenty of people

00:27:35.200 --> 00:27:38.099
where that's actually the situation. Or maybe

00:27:38.099 --> 00:27:41.660
it's just that you're just having sex on a random

00:27:41.660 --> 00:27:44.380
day that your body cannot get pregnant on that

00:27:44.380 --> 00:27:45.799
day. Literally. Yeah, your cervical mucus is

00:27:45.799 --> 00:27:48.779
too sticky. It can't get through. We're not happening.

00:27:49.019 --> 00:27:51.599
Yeah. So true. Yeah, and I think that's where

00:27:51.599 --> 00:27:54.839
Spence's support really had to come into play

00:27:54.839 --> 00:27:59.220
also so that it wasn't scary. my fertility window

00:27:59.220 --> 00:28:01.000
is like, okay, then we're just okay. If we're

00:28:01.000 --> 00:28:02.180
going to have sex in this time and don't want

00:28:02.180 --> 00:28:03.359
to get pregnant, then it's like, we're using

00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:05.059
condoms, you know, some kind of barrier method.

00:28:05.599 --> 00:28:07.819
Because again, back to the, like your body wants

00:28:07.819 --> 00:28:10.700
to get pregnant, like hormonally, you know, you're

00:28:10.700 --> 00:28:13.099
in alignment, your cervix changes. There's a

00:28:13.099 --> 00:28:15.460
reason why your sex drive is higher in ovulation.

00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:18.859
Like we desire sex more because our body is biologically

00:28:18.859 --> 00:28:22.059
wired for. like pregnancy and to conceive. And

00:28:22.059 --> 00:28:23.720
again, that's not to say that like, if you've

00:28:23.720 --> 00:28:26.119
chosen not to have children, whatever, but biologically,

00:28:26.220 --> 00:28:28.839
like there's a desire during ovulation where

00:28:28.839 --> 00:28:30.880
it's like, you probably want to have sex more.

00:28:31.279 --> 00:28:33.000
So it's like, there's kind of a downside to where

00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:35.079
it's like, yes. And also really trying not to

00:28:35.079 --> 00:28:36.380
get pregnant. So there's just like different,

00:28:36.440 --> 00:28:38.920
you know, like pros and cons to it. But so then

00:28:38.920 --> 00:28:41.299
when we decided like, okay, we really, we do

00:28:41.299 --> 00:28:42.880
want to start a family. We had bought a little

00:28:42.880 --> 00:28:44.859
townhouse out of the city and I was like, okay,

00:28:44.900 --> 00:28:46.869
I think now's the time. you know, statistically

00:28:46.869 --> 00:28:50.109
it can take up to the average is up to 12 months

00:28:50.109 --> 00:28:52.069
for a healthy woman to conceive. Just cause like,

00:28:52.150 --> 00:28:54.670
it's just, there's a small window, you know,

00:28:54.670 --> 00:28:56.630
it's like, it depends on the health of the sperm

00:28:56.630 --> 00:28:58.990
too. And so I was like, we should start trying

00:28:58.990 --> 00:29:01.190
so that like, you know, in the next year or whatever,

00:29:01.329 --> 00:29:03.170
just in case it takes longer and you know, all

00:29:03.170 --> 00:29:04.829
the conversations you start to have kind of around

00:29:04.829 --> 00:29:09.009
like pregnancy in general. And the first cycle

00:29:09.009 --> 00:29:10.609
that we tried to get pregnant, I got pregnant.

00:29:11.300 --> 00:29:13.619
So crazy. And so I was like, okay, number one,

00:29:13.660 --> 00:29:17.480
thank you, Lord. I was shocked when I tell you

00:29:17.480 --> 00:29:20.259
I was like, oh my gosh, I took a pregnancy test

00:29:20.259 --> 00:29:22.559
just to like confirm to myself that I wasn't

00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:24.299
pregnant because I had like built it up so much

00:29:24.299 --> 00:29:26.259
in my head that I was afraid I'd like convince

00:29:26.259 --> 00:29:28.019
myself I was never going to have kids. You know,

00:29:28.039 --> 00:29:29.420
just like all the fear kind of started to set

00:29:29.420 --> 00:29:31.880
in. And I took a pregnancy test like four or

00:29:31.880 --> 00:29:33.720
five days before I was even supposed to start

00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:36.319
my period and it was positive. I was like, you're

00:29:36.319 --> 00:29:38.259
joking. Excuse me, what? Oh my God, it worked.

00:29:38.319 --> 00:29:40.960
Am I reading this right? Uh -huh. So. I think

00:29:40.960 --> 00:29:43.319
that was also like the beauty in it too. It's

00:29:43.319 --> 00:29:45.339
like, okay, we successfully use this method for

00:29:45.339 --> 00:29:48.480
three years to avoid pregnancy and to like know

00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:50.480
my body, whatever. And I knew my body so well

00:29:50.480 --> 00:29:52.220
at that point that I was like, okay, here are

00:29:52.220 --> 00:29:54.400
the like, realistically for me, kind of like

00:29:54.400 --> 00:29:56.960
four -ish days that I can get pregnant. And then

00:29:56.960 --> 00:30:00.880
it worked by the grace of God, you know? So that

00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:03.380
was incredible. And I was like, okay, well, we

00:30:03.380 --> 00:30:05.119
did it. And then you're pregnant and you're like,

00:30:05.160 --> 00:30:06.099
well, I don't have to do anything else right

00:30:06.099 --> 00:30:08.099
now. And then you forget everything you ever

00:30:08.099 --> 00:30:09.900
learned and you are no longer pregnant. You're

00:30:09.900 --> 00:30:11.500
like, wait. I know. And then I have to dust up

00:30:11.500 --> 00:30:13.640
on it to make sure I'm not spewing wrong information

00:30:13.640 --> 00:30:17.059
today. Do you know anything about like, okay,

00:30:17.119 --> 00:30:20.640
postpartum, you don't have your period. You can

00:30:20.640 --> 00:30:24.599
still very much get pregnant in that time. What

00:30:24.599 --> 00:30:27.119
does that look like for cycle tracking? Yep.

00:30:28.400 --> 00:30:30.359
I don't know a ton about, I got my period back

00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:33.180
really quickly, which was so unfair, honestly.

00:30:33.380 --> 00:30:35.259
But Maven started sleeping through the night.

00:30:35.299 --> 00:30:37.720
So I was like, I guess I'll take some sleep and

00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:40.799
I'll have my period back too. Whatever. Because

00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:42.180
I just wasn't nursing in the night. But yeah,

00:30:42.220 --> 00:30:45.779
so in the four phases of your cycle, a period

00:30:45.779 --> 00:30:49.259
only happens if ovulation has happened. And so

00:30:49.259 --> 00:30:52.400
it's like, it's shedding the uterine lining.

00:30:52.660 --> 00:30:55.119
It's, you know, whatever. So you can ovulate

00:30:55.119 --> 00:30:58.480
before. you would have a period that's like in

00:30:58.480 --> 00:31:00.799
the order of things. We think, I think this is

00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:02.140
also kind of backwards again, talking about like

00:31:02.140 --> 00:31:04.140
the most obvious marker for women is like, I

00:31:04.140 --> 00:31:06.559
have a period. It's like, there's a visual, I'm

00:31:06.559 --> 00:31:08.759
like bleeding, whatever. But really that signifies

00:31:08.759 --> 00:31:10.680
like the end of our cycle because that happens

00:31:10.680 --> 00:31:13.619
post ovulation. So most of the time I feel like

00:31:13.619 --> 00:31:17.000
people who get pregnant, which one is like. A

00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:18.980
myth that you can't get pregnant while you're

00:31:18.980 --> 00:31:20.980
breastfeeding millions and millions of baby.

00:31:21.059 --> 00:31:25.019
I'm one of them. My mom was, you know, uh, it's

00:31:25.019 --> 00:31:28.619
just, it's a lie, but you start ovulating before

00:31:28.619 --> 00:31:31.259
you have a period just in like the order of how

00:31:31.259 --> 00:31:35.339
things go. And so, so yeah. I think it's surprising

00:31:35.339 --> 00:31:37.279
when women just like don't know if they're ovulating

00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:39.660
or not. And so until you have like your first

00:31:39.660 --> 00:31:42.119
period, you don't actually really know unless

00:31:42.119 --> 00:31:45.039
you're using like ovulation strips, looking for

00:31:45.039 --> 00:31:46.980
an LH surge, like stuff like that. Which like

00:31:46.980 --> 00:31:50.319
that would be just a lot if you don't have any

00:31:50.319 --> 00:31:53.539
clue when your period's coming back. Yeah. And

00:31:53.539 --> 00:31:57.200
so in the phases of the cycle, the luteal phase

00:31:57.200 --> 00:32:00.779
post ovulation, that should be consistent pretty

00:32:00.779 --> 00:32:04.450
much every time. And it's around 11 to 14 days.

00:32:04.690 --> 00:32:07.589
If it's any shorter than that in like Azure cycle

00:32:07.589 --> 00:32:09.569
tracking, or if, you know, people are like paying

00:32:09.569 --> 00:32:13.069
attention to that, it can. signify like a progesterone

00:32:13.069 --> 00:32:18.190
deficiency stress a thyroid issue like so postpartum

00:32:18.190 --> 00:32:21.130
a lot of the like cycle ranges are just really

00:32:21.130 --> 00:32:24.450
messed up because our hormones are so whack which

00:32:24.450 --> 00:32:26.529
then also kind of means you can't get pregnant

00:32:26.529 --> 00:32:29.630
not like not necessarily but a lot of those things

00:32:29.630 --> 00:32:33.190
from what I've learned is that like your cycle

00:32:33.190 --> 00:32:36.109
needs to fall in within within certain parameters

00:32:36.109 --> 00:32:39.849
and so That's what happens with a lot of tests.

00:32:39.890 --> 00:32:42.049
Lots of early miscarriage. If like the luteal

00:32:42.049 --> 00:32:45.670
phase isn't long enough. Yeah. Yeah. It is. It's

00:32:45.670 --> 00:32:48.890
wild. Yeah. And postpartum is so different for

00:32:48.890 --> 00:32:50.829
everybody. It's like I, you know, my best friend

00:32:50.829 --> 00:32:53.730
just got her period back almost a year postpartum

00:32:53.730 --> 00:32:56.250
after her second baby. And I had mine back in.

00:32:56.930 --> 00:32:59.529
less than four months i think you know so then

00:32:59.529 --> 00:33:01.549
it was like and and since then i've done a very

00:33:01.549 --> 00:33:04.109
loose version of cycle tracking which you know

00:33:04.109 --> 00:33:05.369
we've had some scares because of it i'm like

00:33:05.369 --> 00:33:08.069
i think it was this day and i'm like i don't

00:33:08.069 --> 00:33:12.430
know but but yeah your hormones typically for

00:33:12.430 --> 00:33:15.589
like a healthy woman will not like re -stabilize

00:33:15.589 --> 00:33:19.490
fully for two years postpartum and so all of

00:33:19.490 --> 00:33:21.490
the like cycle tracking stuff kind of applies

00:33:21.490 --> 00:33:24.890
differently post baby for a little while. Um,

00:33:25.009 --> 00:33:26.369
there's still like markers and still the same

00:33:26.369 --> 00:33:28.509
kind of like cervical mucus, whatever, obviously

00:33:28.509 --> 00:33:31.009
you guys had two babies, you know, after you

00:33:31.009 --> 00:33:33.549
had your first, so your body is still like getting

00:33:33.549 --> 00:33:36.430
back to it's like typical cycle, but just might

00:33:36.430 --> 00:33:38.910
look a little bit different postpartum. So interesting.

00:33:39.329 --> 00:33:43.130
I'm learning so much guys. It's really fascinating

00:33:43.130 --> 00:33:45.529
stuff. Yeah. I think, I think I said this before

00:33:45.529 --> 00:33:48.529
we started recording is the book that I read,

00:33:48.529 --> 00:33:51.259
I was like, this is going to be. required reading

00:33:51.259 --> 00:33:55.539
for all of my kids because again i all of us

00:33:55.539 --> 00:33:57.680
want our kids to have a better life and just

00:33:57.680 --> 00:34:00.039
more information in a healthy way than we do

00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:05.339
and again so standard for most millennials to

00:34:05.339 --> 00:34:09.099
have just this like flawed very basic understanding

00:34:09.099 --> 00:34:13.260
of fertility and sex and all of this where it's

00:34:13.260 --> 00:34:15.739
again you get your period you can get pregnant

00:34:17.059 --> 00:34:20.179
And that's kind of it. Well, like I said, there's,

00:34:20.179 --> 00:34:21.840
I think I also said this before we started recording,

00:34:21.940 --> 00:34:24.139
but there's layers to it, right? So it's like

00:34:24.139 --> 00:34:26.679
the first layer is like just as a woman understanding

00:34:26.679 --> 00:34:29.019
your own body. And then it's like, okay, and

00:34:29.019 --> 00:34:31.639
then are you trying to prevent or like trying

00:34:31.639 --> 00:34:33.199
to conceive, like prevent pregnancy or trying

00:34:33.199 --> 00:34:35.440
to conceive? And then it's like, okay, then the

00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:37.599
layer deeper than that, even that I'm kind of

00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:39.000
getting more into now and kind of did before

00:34:39.000 --> 00:34:40.440
pregnancy. I did it for like two months and then

00:34:40.440 --> 00:34:42.280
I got pregnant and I was like, again, everything's

00:34:42.280 --> 00:34:43.900
out the window and I'm just eating toast and

00:34:43.900 --> 00:34:47.500
I'm sick and whatever. but is like cycle syncing.

00:34:47.579 --> 00:34:50.780
So there's nutrition and there's workouts for

00:34:50.780 --> 00:34:53.739
each phase and like different, even like social

00:34:53.739 --> 00:34:56.380
and work activities to do or not do based on

00:34:56.380 --> 00:34:58.139
like your hormones and how well you're going

00:34:58.139 --> 00:35:00.820
to be able to focus or how, you know, just like

00:35:00.820 --> 00:35:03.079
how you're feeling in your body and kind of like

00:35:03.079 --> 00:35:05.519
aligning it even just to like the seasons of

00:35:05.519 --> 00:35:08.460
the year. Like menstrual phase is very much deep

00:35:08.460 --> 00:35:10.619
winter. It's like we're resting, we're being

00:35:10.619 --> 00:35:13.119
very gentle, we're inside, you know, it's like

00:35:13.119 --> 00:35:15.630
we're not doing anything crazy. Follicular phase

00:35:15.630 --> 00:35:18.429
is spring. So it's like, there's like new things

00:35:18.429 --> 00:35:20.750
happening in your body literally is like recruiting

00:35:20.750 --> 00:35:24.369
a follicle to be the one to like bring the egg

00:35:24.369 --> 00:35:26.829
into the uterus. You know, it's like, there's

00:35:26.829 --> 00:35:28.369
like spring and then summer is like ovulation.

00:35:28.429 --> 00:35:30.929
It's like summer, happy, bright, raw veggies

00:35:30.929 --> 00:35:32.829
everywhere, you know, just like stuff like that.

00:35:33.030 --> 00:35:35.710
And then fall is luteal phase, which is like,

00:35:35.769 --> 00:35:38.449
okay, we need to like warm our body up. We need

00:35:38.449 --> 00:35:40.269
to be like a little more gentle. We need to kind

00:35:40.269 --> 00:35:42.170
of wrap up. You know, I think about this more

00:35:42.170 --> 00:35:44.650
in like, like my house or like work. projects

00:35:44.650 --> 00:35:45.949
or whatever i'm like okay i'm like wrapping stuff

00:35:45.949 --> 00:35:48.030
up i'm like tying bows on things as much as i

00:35:48.030 --> 00:35:50.190
can because i know like menstrual phase is just

00:35:50.190 --> 00:35:52.650
like we're gonna rest we're gonna stretch on

00:35:52.650 --> 00:35:54.909
the floor we're not gonna do a workout you know

00:35:54.909 --> 00:35:58.449
um so cycle syncing is like a whole other layer

00:35:58.449 --> 00:36:00.869
to this which is also really fun kind of a just

00:36:00.869 --> 00:36:04.309
like super far tangent but if we go into the

00:36:04.309 --> 00:36:07.670
bible and look at like what is required and like

00:36:07.670 --> 00:36:12.219
of women like in biblical law for their period

00:36:12.219 --> 00:36:15.039
i'm like oh god wasn't punishing women for having

00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:17.519
their period by saying like you go and rest for

00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:20.320
a week like that is like the design of like no

00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:23.659
your body needs to just chill and like that's

00:36:23.659 --> 00:36:26.489
what's needed right now and um like learning

00:36:26.489 --> 00:36:28.969
about cycle syncing i don't know very much um

00:36:28.969 --> 00:36:31.369
because again i was going to try to start doing

00:36:31.369 --> 00:36:33.110
that and then i got pregnant with zeta immediately

00:36:33.110 --> 00:36:36.789
yeah like well i don't have time here we go yeah

00:36:36.789 --> 00:36:39.809
and i'm just gonna lay down yeah exactly yeah

00:36:39.809 --> 00:36:41.969
or it's like oh no your body needs rest and like

00:36:41.969 --> 00:36:45.650
that's why this is commanded and yeah and then

00:36:45.650 --> 00:36:48.050
there's a restorative time on purpose exactly

00:36:48.050 --> 00:36:50.269
can we tell my kids that that'd be great yeah

00:36:50.269 --> 00:36:53.309
i'd be like hey i guys hey mommy needs god told

00:36:53.309 --> 00:36:55.809
me i need to go out yeah for five days in the

00:36:55.809 --> 00:36:58.590
wilderness by myself. Thank you. Oh my gosh.

00:36:58.590 --> 00:37:01.210
Yeah. It's so fascinating. And I think, I mean,

00:37:01.230 --> 00:37:04.130
speaking of there's a, obviously a physiological

00:37:04.130 --> 00:37:06.449
part of this and like biological, that's just

00:37:06.449 --> 00:37:08.250
like, this is how our bodies were designed. I

00:37:08.250 --> 00:37:10.190
think there's also a deeply like spiritual piece

00:37:10.190 --> 00:37:12.670
of. just fertility awareness or cycle tracking

00:37:12.670 --> 00:37:15.489
in general, that's like, I think felt more in

00:37:15.489 --> 00:37:18.130
tune with like the Holy Spirit living in and

00:37:18.130 --> 00:37:20.590
through me, understanding my own body as like

00:37:20.590 --> 00:37:23.170
the temple that's like housing the Lord, you

00:37:23.170 --> 00:37:26.869
know, and that God's design is so intentional

00:37:26.869 --> 00:37:30.590
and so specific. Like the fact that there's,

00:37:30.590 --> 00:37:32.489
you know, even like the hormones all working

00:37:32.489 --> 00:37:33.710
together. And this is kind of how I felt when

00:37:33.710 --> 00:37:34.929
I was pregnant too. I'm like, I don't have to.

00:37:35.260 --> 00:37:38.300
do anything for God to like knit together this

00:37:38.300 --> 00:37:40.159
baby in my womb. You know, it's like, I don't

00:37:40.159 --> 00:37:42.440
have to wake up today and be like, make a pancreas

00:37:42.440 --> 00:37:45.840
or whatever. It's like, there's something about

00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:49.039
the Lord, like working in and through our bodies

00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:51.099
and in this kind of like rhythmic, like rhythm

00:37:51.099 --> 00:37:53.460
of grace kind of vibe, like throughout the month

00:37:53.460 --> 00:37:56.019
and just like in our cycle that feels so in line

00:37:56.019 --> 00:37:59.139
with God's design. So that was like a whole other

00:37:59.139 --> 00:38:00.900
piece that I like didn't really expect either

00:38:00.900 --> 00:38:04.820
to be like, Oh, I'm not suppressing. how my body

00:38:04.820 --> 00:38:07.500
is designed to work. I'm not like, there's no

00:38:07.500 --> 00:38:09.300
like synthetic hormones that I'm dealing with.

00:38:09.400 --> 00:38:11.360
Like, I'm really just trying to understand how

00:38:11.360 --> 00:38:13.420
God like designed my body to work. And then when

00:38:13.420 --> 00:38:15.340
there were markers of like, oh, this thing isn't

00:38:15.340 --> 00:38:18.159
actually like firing on all cylinders, then I

00:38:18.159 --> 00:38:19.880
knew that. And it's like, I could find like the

00:38:19.880 --> 00:38:21.559
right support or the right supplements or like

00:38:21.559 --> 00:38:24.079
eat the right food. Like in our menstrual phase,

00:38:24.159 --> 00:38:25.960
it's like, we're losing iron, like nobody's business.

00:38:26.059 --> 00:38:27.800
So it's like, okay, I'm having red, I'm like

00:38:27.800 --> 00:38:30.500
eating steak. Thank God, you know? Like I'll

00:38:30.500 --> 00:38:32.679
have more steak, sure. Spinach, you know, it's

00:38:32.679 --> 00:38:34.329
like I'm supplementing. my body and supporting

00:38:34.329 --> 00:38:36.630
my body how it's supposed to be working. We have

00:38:36.630 --> 00:38:38.510
to buy the $75 steak. And I'm like, I'm so sorry,

00:38:38.570 --> 00:38:40.409
babe. We have to buy a cast iron too because

00:38:40.409 --> 00:38:42.389
I need to reverse sear it and I don't make the

00:38:42.389 --> 00:38:45.349
rules. Yeah. It's really for my health and then

00:38:45.349 --> 00:38:47.829
all of our health because you want me to be in

00:38:47.829 --> 00:38:50.869
a good mood. Yeah. So that was another piece

00:38:50.869 --> 00:38:53.010
too that was kind of surprising. Yeah. No, it

00:38:53.010 --> 00:38:56.429
is crazy. The more you learn about, and this

00:38:56.429 --> 00:39:00.070
is just such a tangible. example like oh things

00:39:00.070 --> 00:39:02.829
were designed so intentionally like our body

00:39:02.829 --> 00:39:04.710
isn't an accident again you don't just accidentally

00:39:04.710 --> 00:39:08.030
get pregnant like your body is preparing for

00:39:08.030 --> 00:39:12.789
that in every phase of your cycle and yeah again

00:39:12.789 --> 00:39:16.429
down to your cervical mucus and position and

00:39:16.429 --> 00:39:19.849
your body temperature spiking to keep a baby

00:39:19.849 --> 00:39:23.590
warm it's it's just crazy and that's usually

00:39:23.590 --> 00:39:26.519
how like especially now with Apple Watches or

00:39:26.519 --> 00:39:29.260
smart rings or whatever, that it can predict

00:39:29.260 --> 00:39:31.159
pregnancy before you would miss a period because

00:39:31.159 --> 00:39:34.000
your temperature is sustained at a high level.

00:39:34.219 --> 00:39:36.340
So it's like 0 .3 to 0 .5 degrees higher. Does

00:39:36.340 --> 00:39:38.800
it notify you like, hey, you might want to take

00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:41.219
a pregnancy test? Pregnancy likely. Yeah, that's

00:39:41.219 --> 00:39:43.360
how I found out I was pregnant with Lloyd. What?

00:39:43.420 --> 00:39:47.679
It was funny because I do have an Apple Watch,

00:39:47.699 --> 00:39:49.320
but I don't have one that tracks my temperature.

00:39:49.579 --> 00:39:52.380
But I had convinced myself I wasn't pregnant.

00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:56.530
Yeah. why do we do that it's like a it's a defense

00:39:56.530 --> 00:39:59.329
i guess so that way you're not disappointed i

00:39:59.329 --> 00:40:00.869
guess i don't like that's the only thing i can

00:40:00.869 --> 00:40:04.969
think but yeah so if you don't know your temperature

00:40:04.969 --> 00:40:08.789
rises after ovulation and then it will drop for

00:40:08.789 --> 00:40:11.269
me it drops the day before my period and that's

00:40:11.269 --> 00:40:13.840
how i'm like okay Today's the day. It's going

00:40:13.840 --> 00:40:16.119
to happen. But there are a couple things that

00:40:16.119 --> 00:40:19.440
can like skew your temperature. So like if you

00:40:19.440 --> 00:40:22.480
don't sleep well, you won't get a correct read.

00:40:22.619 --> 00:40:24.579
If you've been drinking, you won't get a correct

00:40:24.579 --> 00:40:26.460
read. And then if you've been sick, you won't

00:40:26.460 --> 00:40:29.559
get a correct read. And if you sustain a high

00:40:29.559 --> 00:40:31.460
temperature for 18 days, it's pretty much like

00:40:31.460 --> 00:40:34.460
you are pregnant. Like not like you could be.

00:40:34.519 --> 00:40:36.139
You are pregnant. At that point, you probably

00:40:36.139 --> 00:40:38.500
would have missed a period. Right. Yeah, from

00:40:38.500 --> 00:40:41.360
like 14 to 18 days. people are like, hello, your

00:40:41.360 --> 00:40:44.039
body's warm. Yeah. And I don't remember what

00:40:44.039 --> 00:40:47.199
day it was, but I had kept a high temperature,

00:40:47.320 --> 00:40:49.380
but there had been a couple of days where I had

00:40:49.380 --> 00:40:52.340
like not taken my temperature. I think, of course,

00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:54.300
this is always how it goes. We had like had a

00:40:54.300 --> 00:40:56.800
dry month when I got pregnant. And then right

00:40:56.800 --> 00:40:58.599
away I was like, well, obviously like, not that

00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:00.920
I binged, but we like went out for margaritas

00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:03.960
with friends. You're hilarious. And then like

00:41:03.960 --> 00:41:05.340
went out for drinks. Oh, a dry month from alcohol.

00:41:05.480 --> 00:41:07.199
From alcohol. Yeah. So we had a dry month from

00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:09.480
alcohol. I thought you meant sex and I was like.

00:41:10.480 --> 00:41:13.780
abstinence also brings the items let's go we

00:41:13.780 --> 00:41:15.940
had a dry month from alcohol and then like that

00:41:15.940 --> 00:41:18.659
week I did not like go crazy, but like we had

00:41:18.659 --> 00:41:20.179
like a few things. We had like a friend's night

00:41:20.179 --> 00:41:21.920
and stuff like that. And so I didn't take my

00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:23.960
temperature because of alcohol. So then when

00:41:23.960 --> 00:41:26.219
I had this high temperature for however many

00:41:26.219 --> 00:41:28.400
days, I was like, well, I had a couple of days

00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:29.960
I missed. So is this actually true? Like it's

00:41:29.960 --> 00:41:32.699
the tequila. I'm not still in my system. The

00:41:32.699 --> 00:41:35.699
margaritas were throwing me off. And then so

00:41:35.699 --> 00:41:37.159
I was like, I'm just going to take a test because

00:41:37.159 --> 00:41:39.579
whatever. And so when it came back positive,

00:41:39.699 --> 00:41:43.360
I was like, oh, oh, oh. Sorry, buddy. It's okay.

00:41:43.639 --> 00:41:46.130
It's okay. So, yeah, but that's how I figured

00:41:46.130 --> 00:41:47.989
I was pregnant with Lloyd is because it's a high

00:41:47.989 --> 00:41:50.750
temperature. With Zeta, it was kind of the same.

00:41:50.789 --> 00:41:52.769
But since I was breastfeeding, I also assumed

00:41:52.769 --> 00:41:56.250
that my cycle just was not normal yet. Yeah.

00:41:56.449 --> 00:41:58.869
Well, yeah, because it's not. Because it's not.

00:41:58.929 --> 00:42:01.949
Because everything is crazy. Were you guys, so

00:42:01.949 --> 00:42:04.030
you were cycle tracking. Have you guys been on

00:42:04.030 --> 00:42:06.469
hormonal birth control? I have. Before? I have,

00:42:06.630 --> 00:42:09.550
yes. Yeah. Not to turn this podcast around, but

00:42:09.550 --> 00:42:12.489
I'm interviewing you now. Yeah. No, I, so I was

00:42:12.489 --> 00:42:16.300
on it for my skin. Okay. For probably six years.

00:42:16.380 --> 00:42:20.539
Yeah. Something like that. But I tried multiple

00:42:20.539 --> 00:42:25.500
different types of pills and I did not have like

00:42:25.500 --> 00:42:28.559
super terrible reactions other than just like

00:42:28.559 --> 00:42:31.780
some didn't work for my skin, some did. Yeah.

00:42:32.320 --> 00:42:36.820
And looking back, I think like mentally, I think

00:42:36.820 --> 00:42:38.619
it did affect me a little bit, but I just like.

00:42:39.159 --> 00:42:42.559
wasn't aware yeah of like the anxiety it brought

00:42:42.559 --> 00:42:44.900
when you start so young it's like yeah i think

00:42:44.900 --> 00:42:48.139
i started it when i was like 14 or 15 crazy and

00:42:48.139 --> 00:42:50.440
that totally was like that my doctor was like

00:42:50.440 --> 00:42:52.199
well let's just get you on the pill you're like

00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:55.500
i'm 14 this is why i have acne yeah i know well

00:42:55.500 --> 00:42:57.579
that's because i'm 14 i know well and i was allergic

00:42:57.579 --> 00:43:00.010
to gluten and dairy But I didn't know that until

00:43:00.010 --> 00:43:01.170
I was like, I don't want to be, because they

00:43:01.170 --> 00:43:02.429
were like, you got to be on Accutane, but you

00:43:02.429 --> 00:43:03.710
have to be on birth control too, because if you

00:43:03.710 --> 00:43:04.869
get pregnant, there's tons of birth defects.

00:43:05.010 --> 00:43:06.610
And I was like, all of this sounds horrible.

00:43:06.789 --> 00:43:09.909
I don't want to do any of that. Oh my gosh. Yeah.

00:43:10.010 --> 00:43:12.769
That's so young. Yeah. Yeah. And so I was on

00:43:12.769 --> 00:43:16.869
the pill all the way until, oh gosh, maybe it

00:43:16.869 --> 00:43:20.400
was even longer than six years. I finally stopped

00:43:20.400 --> 00:43:22.719
taking the pill when Michael and I got married.

00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:25.099
Yeah. And we were just like, we're like, well,

00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:27.900
we'll let the Lord decide. Yeah. You want to

00:43:27.900 --> 00:43:31.039
have babies. And we totally wanted to start a

00:43:31.039 --> 00:43:34.300
family right away. And then we couldn't. And

00:43:34.300 --> 00:43:38.039
I mean, looking back, like, could it be partially

00:43:38.039 --> 00:43:41.980
like, I didn't know my cycle. Who knows? Yeah.

00:43:42.059 --> 00:43:44.739
Who knows? But I mean, we finally did like fertility

00:43:44.739 --> 00:43:47.460
treatment and got pregnant, but yeah. Well, and

00:43:47.460 --> 00:43:50.599
that's the, I think for me going into marriage,

00:43:50.699 --> 00:43:53.139
it was more about just like, I just wanted to

00:43:53.139 --> 00:43:55.219
be informed. I was like, I just want to know.

00:43:55.260 --> 00:43:57.380
And I want to be able to make the best like informed

00:43:57.380 --> 00:43:59.800
decision for myself and for me and Spence and

00:43:59.800 --> 00:44:02.159
for our family. Like I'm not willing to tank

00:44:02.159 --> 00:44:05.239
my mental health again. I want to know what's

00:44:05.239 --> 00:44:07.840
going on. I also, I'm like, it's like informed

00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:10.280
consent too, where I'm like, I don't want to

00:44:10.280 --> 00:44:12.960
be forced into something just because I don't

00:44:12.960 --> 00:44:14.760
have all the information. So like I was like

00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:16.380
an information sponge for a while, but it's like,

00:44:16.440 --> 00:44:19.380
that's, it's most, women's experience and stories

00:44:19.380 --> 00:44:21.800
unless you kind of take that approach eventually

00:44:21.800 --> 00:44:24.559
which it's like eventually i did you know yeah

00:44:24.559 --> 00:44:28.280
to be like prescribed something without any of

00:44:28.280 --> 00:44:31.219
the information or just like this will fix the

00:44:31.219 --> 00:44:33.260
symptom of whatever's going on which is the like

00:44:33.260 --> 00:44:35.980
most women i think start really really young

00:44:35.980 --> 00:44:38.280
because of acne yeah it's like of course in high

00:44:38.280 --> 00:44:39.960
school you want to do anything you can to get

00:44:39.960 --> 00:44:41.800
rid of it so it's like i'll be on birth control

00:44:41.800 --> 00:44:43.659
i don't care you know and then if like my friends

00:44:43.659 --> 00:44:46.300
that ended up on the pill for their skin but

00:44:46.300 --> 00:44:49.260
then it was like Well, now also I can't get pregnant.

00:44:49.360 --> 00:44:50.820
So like, is anyone going to know I'm sexually

00:44:50.820 --> 00:44:53.659
active? So it's like, it's just a vicious cycle,

00:44:53.760 --> 00:44:56.360
you know? For sure. And a cycle in a bad way,

00:44:56.420 --> 00:44:58.739
you know? But yeah, I think that was like part

00:44:58.739 --> 00:45:00.300
of it for me. I was like, I just want to know.

00:45:00.380 --> 00:45:02.219
I just want to have all the information and then

00:45:02.219 --> 00:45:04.619
just like make a decision. That's so cool. It's

00:45:04.619 --> 00:45:09.039
honestly inspiring me to learn more about it

00:45:09.039 --> 00:45:11.400
because, yeah, not that we're trying to get pregnant

00:45:11.400 --> 00:45:13.429
or anything right now, but. I think it would

00:45:13.429 --> 00:45:15.929
be so cool just to understand like, okay, I'm

00:45:15.929 --> 00:45:21.070
in this phase and my body needs this. Being able

00:45:21.070 --> 00:45:23.309
to predict like, I'm going to start my period

00:45:23.309 --> 00:45:25.190
this week. Just your period alone. Yeah. That's

00:45:25.190 --> 00:45:27.469
nice. Even if that's it. My best friend this

00:45:27.469 --> 00:45:31.619
morning. She texted us and she was alone with

00:45:31.619 --> 00:45:35.079
her five kids somewhere and started her period.

00:45:35.139 --> 00:45:37.199
She's postpartum. So it's like kind of, she didn't

00:45:37.199 --> 00:45:38.320
know exactly when it was going to come, started

00:45:38.320 --> 00:45:40.280
her period and she was wearing a white dress.

00:45:40.619 --> 00:45:43.119
And it was, you know, so I was like, oh my gosh,

00:45:43.139 --> 00:45:44.920
I was like the irony as I'm about to go on this

00:45:44.920 --> 00:45:46.500
podcast and talk about all this stuff. And I

00:45:46.500 --> 00:45:48.400
told her in a text, I was like, it's a beautiful

00:45:48.400 --> 00:45:51.599
journey. And I'm so freaking sorry. That is the

00:45:51.599 --> 00:45:54.380
absolute worst. But yeah, even that alone, being

00:45:54.380 --> 00:45:56.000
able to like predict when that is, it's like,

00:45:56.019 --> 00:45:58.710
that's nice. And I think it can sound, so daunting

00:45:58.710 --> 00:46:01.050
like all the cycle tracking stuff can feel so

00:46:01.050 --> 00:46:03.349
daunting it's really simple it's like not easy

00:46:03.349 --> 00:46:05.809
like again it takes effort yeah um but it's the

00:46:05.809 --> 00:46:08.150
same every single month so it's like you learn

00:46:08.150 --> 00:46:10.110
it and you start to understand it and then it

00:46:10.110 --> 00:46:12.329
just kind of becomes like you said where like

00:46:12.329 --> 00:46:15.650
i think it's a very steep learning curve but

00:46:15.650 --> 00:46:18.590
then once you know your body unless you're like

00:46:18.590 --> 00:46:22.000
trying to be an expert in this for everyone which

00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:24.619
most of us are not you really just need to know

00:46:24.619 --> 00:46:26.739
your body so you don't need to know all the details

00:46:26.739 --> 00:46:28.320
for how it's going to work for every single person

00:46:28.320 --> 00:46:31.539
you're like but you can go okay i know that my

00:46:31.539 --> 00:46:34.579
ovulation is going to be approximately on day

00:46:34.579 --> 00:46:37.380
13 day whatever and i can use ovulation strips

00:46:37.380 --> 00:46:41.340
to test it for sure and great you know I know,

00:46:41.340 --> 00:46:44.599
like, we took one of the kids' temperatures the

00:46:44.599 --> 00:46:46.119
other day because they were sick. And Stuart

00:46:46.119 --> 00:46:47.280
was like, oh, they're kind of low. They're at

00:46:47.280 --> 00:46:50.480
97 -something like that. And I was like, oh,

00:46:50.519 --> 00:46:52.400
well, I'm usually at 96 unless I'm ovulating.

00:46:52.679 --> 00:46:54.780
That's when I know I'm at, like, 97 -point -something

00:46:54.780 --> 00:46:57.500
-something. He was like, what? Like, and in my

00:46:57.500 --> 00:47:00.019
luteal phase, it's 0 .5 degrees. Yeah, yeah,

00:47:00.039 --> 00:47:02.219
yeah. It's like, yeah, it's kind of nerdy after

00:47:02.219 --> 00:47:04.659
a while, which is really fun. Do you literally

00:47:04.659 --> 00:47:07.420
just have like a thermometer that you... So I

00:47:07.420 --> 00:47:10.260
did for a while. You do have to have one that

00:47:10.260 --> 00:47:13.960
gets like to... The basal body thermometer. So

00:47:13.960 --> 00:47:15.380
it's like, yeah, your base temperature. It's

00:47:15.380 --> 00:47:17.079
a little more accurate. Yeah. And so it has to

00:47:17.079 --> 00:47:20.500
get to like... 0 .00. The hundredths or tenths,

00:47:20.500 --> 00:47:22.619
I guess. Yeah, the tenths, I think. We've been

00:47:22.619 --> 00:47:25.099
out of math for a while. You can't have one that

00:47:25.099 --> 00:47:28.840
just says 97. It has to be like 97 .75. Oh, okay.

00:47:29.079 --> 00:47:32.519
Four digits. And you can't do a forehead one

00:47:32.519 --> 00:47:34.780
or anything like that. You have to use an actual...

00:47:34.780 --> 00:47:38.599
Under the tongue, yeah. Yeah, or again, Oura

00:47:38.599 --> 00:47:40.559
rings can track this well. Apple Watches can

00:47:40.559 --> 00:47:43.539
track it. I have a band that I wear overnight

00:47:43.539 --> 00:47:46.300
that tracks it. Do you have the whoop? Is that

00:47:46.300 --> 00:47:48.070
what you're talking about? No, Natural Cycles

00:47:48.070 --> 00:47:50.170
has a band. Oh, is it? Okay. And I was like,

00:47:50.210 --> 00:47:53.429
they sent it to me for free if I paid for their

00:47:53.429 --> 00:47:56.630
thing. Listen, I'm like, it's annoying, but it's

00:47:56.630 --> 00:47:59.269
really worth it. It is. Yeah. Have you ever used

00:47:59.269 --> 00:48:02.510
like an app to track or do old school actually

00:48:02.510 --> 00:48:04.050
write down your temperature? Okay. So that's

00:48:04.050 --> 00:48:06.250
how I started, which I also, when I kind of first

00:48:06.250 --> 00:48:08.610
started, like before we got married, my best

00:48:08.610 --> 00:48:09.969
friend, she lives in Salt Lake. She was like.

00:48:10.280 --> 00:48:12.920
spooked by the government like having her information

00:48:12.920 --> 00:48:14.639
or just like knowing anything which I'm like

00:48:14.639 --> 00:48:16.699
I actually get that and so she was like charting

00:48:16.699 --> 00:48:18.699
her temperature like on paper she might even

00:48:18.699 --> 00:48:20.659
still be doing this I should ask her and so for

00:48:20.659 --> 00:48:22.400
a while I was like actually writing it down and

00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:24.360
I was like I feel like I'm in algebra or whatever

00:48:24.360 --> 00:48:27.039
math class I'd be like making like a like point

00:48:27.039 --> 00:48:29.860
graph but no so I got the Daisy thermometer at

00:48:29.860 --> 00:48:31.579
the time and that paired with an app with the

00:48:31.579 --> 00:48:33.800
Daisy app it was expensive though because again

00:48:33.800 --> 00:48:35.719
it was like at the time kind of one of the first

00:48:35.719 --> 00:48:38.820
like actual pieces of hardware or software that

00:48:38.820 --> 00:48:41.239
was like for cycle tracking. Yeah. Now every

00:48:41.239 --> 00:48:43.559
influencer, you know, literally, and there's

00:48:43.559 --> 00:48:45.840
so many different kinds. So like any of the smart

00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:47.840
rings will do it. Um, and we'll pair with natural

00:48:47.840 --> 00:48:51.820
cycles. I use one now it's a different app, but

00:48:51.820 --> 00:48:54.280
it's for cycle syncing outside of natural cycles,

00:48:54.400 --> 00:48:56.440
but it's, it's more for like nutrition and workouts

00:48:56.440 --> 00:48:58.420
and, you know, mental health and that kind of

00:48:58.420 --> 00:49:01.219
thing. Um, like I said, I've been lightly tracking

00:49:01.219 --> 00:49:03.519
my cycle for the last little bit, not like super

00:49:03.519 --> 00:49:06.920
close, but mostly just for like, you know, my

00:49:06.920 --> 00:49:08.920
period and whatever. But so yeah, natural cycles

00:49:08.920 --> 00:49:12.300
has a thermometer and an app now. Um, but it's

00:49:12.300 --> 00:49:14.960
so the amount of information and resources that

00:49:14.960 --> 00:49:19.519
we have now is wild and it's so accessible and

00:49:19.519 --> 00:49:22.690
so easy. Like And again, it's not like there

00:49:22.690 --> 00:49:25.349
is effort involved. There's like a barrier to

00:49:25.349 --> 00:49:27.530
entry. But once you do it, it's like wearing

00:49:27.530 --> 00:49:30.090
a smart ring overnight and having your temperature

00:49:30.090 --> 00:49:31.489
track. You don't even have to like, that was

00:49:31.489 --> 00:49:33.130
the most irritating part, honestly, was taking

00:49:33.130 --> 00:49:35.170
the thermometer, like not moving, grabbing my

00:49:35.170 --> 00:49:36.730
thermometer off the nightstand when my alarm

00:49:36.730 --> 00:49:38.190
went off, taking my temperature before I even

00:49:38.190 --> 00:49:40.869
sat up. Because it was like, that's how quickly

00:49:40.869 --> 00:49:42.630
you have to take it for it to get like an accurate

00:49:42.630 --> 00:49:45.230
reading. Oh, wow. That's annoying. But I did

00:49:45.230 --> 00:49:46.789
that for three years, you know, so it was like.

00:49:47.360 --> 00:49:50.500
it still worked, you know? But yeah. So now with

00:49:50.500 --> 00:49:52.860
the technology and stuff kind of advancing and

00:49:52.860 --> 00:49:55.340
like learning more about women's health and cycle

00:49:55.340 --> 00:49:58.159
tracking in general, there's so many more tools

00:49:58.159 --> 00:50:00.699
and resources for women available, which is so

00:50:00.699 --> 00:50:04.059
nice. Dang. Yeah. I feel inspired. I'm going

00:50:04.059 --> 00:50:08.780
to go buy something to take my temperature. To

00:50:08.780 --> 00:50:10.039
take my temperature. I don't know. Just so I

00:50:10.039 --> 00:50:13.320
know. Yeah. Yeah. That's cool. Yeah. Yeah. Well.

00:50:14.079 --> 00:50:16.480
if there was like if there's a woman out there

00:50:16.480 --> 00:50:19.719
like laura like me like me sitting on this couch

00:50:19.719 --> 00:50:23.340
who is just like maybe interested in like knowing

00:50:23.340 --> 00:50:25.699
more or they're maybe even gung -ho and like

00:50:25.699 --> 00:50:27.900
this is something i'm doing now what is like

00:50:27.900 --> 00:50:31.000
something you'd recommend whether it's a resource

00:50:31.000 --> 00:50:34.829
or just What would you suggest? What would you

00:50:34.829 --> 00:50:37.909
say to them? Number one resource, and you have

00:50:37.909 --> 00:50:39.750
it sitting right here, is a book called Taking

00:50:39.750 --> 00:50:42.909
Charge of Your Fertility by Tony Weschler, I

00:50:42.909 --> 00:50:47.190
think it is. It's the guide. It's more information

00:50:47.190 --> 00:50:49.449
than you'll ever need. I've recommended it to

00:50:49.449 --> 00:50:51.829
friends. I've let people borrow it. I usually

00:50:51.829 --> 00:50:54.860
tell people to just go to the parts. in the book

00:50:54.860 --> 00:50:57.460
that you actually want to know about and like

00:50:57.460 --> 00:50:59.340
look into those kinds of details. You don't have

00:50:59.340 --> 00:51:00.820
to read the whole thing. It's a huge book. It's

00:51:00.820 --> 00:51:02.380
like a textbook. I don't think I read the whole

00:51:02.380 --> 00:51:04.079
thing. I didn't read the whole thing. So when

00:51:04.079 --> 00:51:06.719
I started kind of learning about this, I watched

00:51:06.719 --> 00:51:10.380
YouTube videos and read parts of this book and

00:51:10.380 --> 00:51:12.139
that's how I started. So it was just like little

00:51:12.139 --> 00:51:14.139
bits of information just to like understand more

00:51:14.139 --> 00:51:16.019
fully what was going on in my body. So it's like,

00:51:16.019 --> 00:51:19.250
take one step. with either a book, YouTube video,

00:51:19.429 --> 00:51:21.909
TikTok is a huge resource for women right now

00:51:21.909 --> 00:51:24.289
with cycle syncing and cycle tracking, especially.

00:51:24.610 --> 00:51:27.210
And so like, again, there's just so many, there's

00:51:27.210 --> 00:51:29.210
so much information, so many resources on it

00:51:29.210 --> 00:51:31.659
that are just like. available at our fingertips,

00:51:31.840 --> 00:51:33.900
like in our hands, literally in our phone. So

00:51:33.900 --> 00:51:36.099
yeah, YouTube videos, taking charge of your fertility.

00:51:36.360 --> 00:51:38.099
There's another book if people are interested

00:51:38.099 --> 00:51:41.639
in cycle syncing called in the flow by Alyssa

00:51:41.639 --> 00:51:45.599
VT, I think it is. That's kind of a simple approach

00:51:45.599 --> 00:51:48.300
to like the nutrition workouts, like kind of

00:51:48.300 --> 00:51:50.900
reorienting your life around your cycle. But

00:51:50.900 --> 00:51:53.639
yeah, I would say any amount of interest, I would

00:51:53.639 --> 00:51:55.280
just take one step. So whether it's like, you

00:51:55.280 --> 00:51:57.519
kind of know the phases of your cycle, look into

00:51:57.519 --> 00:51:59.860
like what hormones are dominant in each cycle.

00:51:59.880 --> 00:52:03.400
and how do I feel when my estrogen is rising?

00:52:03.519 --> 00:52:05.659
What does that mean for me emotionally and mentally

00:52:05.659 --> 00:52:07.980
and physically? What does it do to inflammation

00:52:07.980 --> 00:52:11.440
in my body even? So I think just whatever right

00:52:11.440 --> 00:52:14.820
next step feels attainable, just start there.

00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:18.119
Again, there's so much information in all of

00:52:18.119 --> 00:52:19.800
this and so many layers to it. You don't have

00:52:19.800 --> 00:52:22.199
to do all of it all at once. It's like start

00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:25.300
small. Order even just like an ovulation test

00:52:25.300 --> 00:52:28.320
kit on Amazon and kind of around the time you're

00:52:28.320 --> 00:52:30.739
ovulating, like it's similar to a pregnancy test

00:52:30.739 --> 00:52:33.000
where there's two lines, but the first line will

00:52:33.000 --> 00:52:35.659
get darker and darker and darker that will signify

00:52:35.659 --> 00:52:39.139
like the actual surge that like points to ovulation

00:52:39.139 --> 00:52:41.840
or triggers ovulation. And so even that it's

00:52:41.840 --> 00:52:44.079
like. just like mess around with ovulation strips

00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:46.719
for a couple of days and just like see what you

00:52:46.719 --> 00:52:48.300
notice, see what you notice in your own body.

00:52:48.659 --> 00:52:50.679
But yeah, so those two books, Taking Charge of

00:52:50.679 --> 00:52:53.380
Your Fertility and In the Flow and then TikTok,

00:52:53.659 --> 00:52:56.820
YouTube, the internet is a, it's a scary place,

00:52:56.900 --> 00:52:59.480
but it's a wealth of knowledge. I know some people

00:52:59.480 --> 00:53:02.659
are against AI for valid reasons and I totally

00:53:02.659 --> 00:53:05.880
understand that. ChatGBT, great resource for

00:53:05.880 --> 00:53:08.619
even just like a really simple like. Can you

00:53:08.619 --> 00:53:11.320
give me an overview of the four phases of my

00:53:11.320 --> 00:53:13.619
cycle, how long they should last, how I would

00:53:13.619 --> 00:53:16.440
feel in each one? Like just getting that amount

00:53:16.440 --> 00:53:19.059
of information to start is helpful. So yeah,

00:53:19.079 --> 00:53:22.099
I think whatever feels like attainable and not

00:53:22.099 --> 00:53:23.800
overwhelming because it can feel overwhelming

00:53:23.800 --> 00:53:25.440
because then once you start learning about it,

00:53:25.440 --> 00:53:28.940
it gets really easy and exciting and way better

00:53:28.940 --> 00:53:31.059
to just like take in all of the information and

00:53:31.059 --> 00:53:34.980
just learn as you go. Well, thank you so much.

00:53:35.099 --> 00:53:37.300
Yeah. So much information. Thank you for having

00:53:37.300 --> 00:53:40.059
me. So I know it's so, I feel like I told my

00:53:40.059 --> 00:53:41.500
friend this morning, I was like, I'm just nerding

00:53:41.500 --> 00:53:44.320
out about hormones, writing down all these notes,

00:53:44.380 --> 00:53:47.480
which is great. And it's so, it's so worth it.

00:53:47.619 --> 00:53:52.139
And yeah, women deserve to know fully our own

00:53:52.139 --> 00:53:53.579
selves and what's going on in our bodies and

00:53:53.579 --> 00:53:56.960
Christian women, like just knowing God's design

00:53:56.960 --> 00:53:59.630
and all of it is just really beautiful. Absolutely.

00:53:59.829 --> 00:54:02.710
Thank you for having me. Thank you. Well, should

00:54:02.710 --> 00:54:05.710
we hop into our wins of the week really quick?

00:54:05.929 --> 00:54:09.869
Okay. I can go first if you guys would like.

00:54:10.170 --> 00:54:13.949
So we've talked about Colt's sleep many, many

00:54:13.949 --> 00:54:18.369
times and how he's just a terrible sleeper. So

00:54:18.369 --> 00:54:23.090
kind of our routine right now is I usually am

00:54:23.090 --> 00:54:25.510
putting Cruz to bed and Michael will put Colt

00:54:25.510 --> 00:54:29.610
to bed and we kind of just. On nights where Michael's

00:54:29.610 --> 00:54:31.769
at youth group, it's like, who even knows how

00:54:31.769 --> 00:54:34.570
I handle that? You're amazing. I can't imagine.

00:54:34.949 --> 00:54:39.409
Yeah. So this last week, Colt's like new. So

00:54:39.409 --> 00:54:42.389
when we drop Cruz off at kids ministry, he always

00:54:42.389 --> 00:54:46.550
hugs Cruz and says, be brave to Cruz. And then

00:54:46.550 --> 00:54:49.889
Cruz gets dropped off. So the other night, Michael's

00:54:49.889 --> 00:54:52.250
putting Colt to bed and he goes, dad, I want

00:54:52.250 --> 00:54:56.050
to be brave. And Michael's like. okay, buddy,

00:54:56.190 --> 00:54:57.889
do you want to try to go to, you want to go to

00:54:57.889 --> 00:54:59.550
bed on your own and we'll leave your door open?

00:54:59.610 --> 00:55:03.210
He said, yeah, I want to be brave. And he, he

00:55:03.210 --> 00:55:07.090
went to bed on his own and it was so sweet. So

00:55:07.090 --> 00:55:09.130
now every night since then, we've been like,

00:55:09.190 --> 00:55:11.030
Cole, do you want to try to be brave tonight?

00:55:11.190 --> 00:55:14.150
And he goes, no, I don't, I don't want to be

00:55:14.150 --> 00:55:15.269
brave. He's like, I can choose it and I don't

00:55:15.269 --> 00:55:18.230
want to. Yeah. I did it the one time. Yeah. He

00:55:18.230 --> 00:55:20.070
said, I did it once. I don't like it anymore.

00:55:20.269 --> 00:55:23.530
So it just was so cute. Cause I'm like, oh buddy,

00:55:23.630 --> 00:55:28.389
like. It's a big deal for you. He's very much

00:55:28.389 --> 00:55:30.889
like separation anxiety is a big thing right

00:55:30.889 --> 00:55:34.130
now. He wants us to be close, which I'm just

00:55:34.130 --> 00:55:37.670
trying to soak up. Obviously, some nights it's

00:55:37.670 --> 00:55:39.650
harder than others where it's like, I just want

00:55:39.650 --> 00:55:45.250
to be not touched by anyone. But that just was

00:55:45.250 --> 00:55:49.500
the sweetest thing. I want to be brave. Like

00:55:49.500 --> 00:55:52.579
you are brave, buddy. You're the bravest boy.

00:55:52.840 --> 00:55:55.699
So yeah, that's super sweet. Yeah. That's the

00:55:55.699 --> 00:55:58.559
best. Okay. Who wants to go next? I can go next.

00:55:58.639 --> 00:56:01.280
Okay. So the other day I like told Lloyd it was

00:56:01.280 --> 00:56:03.940
nap time and he just like. put his toys away,

00:56:04.099 --> 00:56:06.039
and then he grabbed his milk cup and took it

00:56:06.039 --> 00:56:07.880
over to the fridge. Then he grabbed Zeta's milk

00:56:07.880 --> 00:56:10.380
cup and took it over to his fridge. Now, I don't

00:56:10.380 --> 00:56:12.840
tell him to do these things. Like, I would love

00:56:12.840 --> 00:56:14.639
it if our daily routine was like, okay, it's

00:56:14.639 --> 00:56:16.659
nap time and we clean up. But since I work all

00:56:16.659 --> 00:56:18.099
the time, that's just like not something I have

00:56:18.099 --> 00:56:20.280
the capacity for. So I have no idea. Like, I

00:56:20.280 --> 00:56:22.460
did not prompt him to do this. I have no idea.

00:56:22.519 --> 00:56:24.980
I think maybe my parents have him do this when

00:56:24.980 --> 00:56:26.679
he's at their house. Like, let's clean up and

00:56:26.679 --> 00:56:29.619
then it's time to go take a nap. Yeah. So maybe

00:56:29.619 --> 00:56:32.300
he's learning from them, which would be great.

00:56:32.429 --> 00:56:34.409
but it was just so sweet. So I was just like,

00:56:34.429 --> 00:56:35.889
you know, it's time to go down for a nap. And

00:56:35.889 --> 00:56:37.530
he took his lightning wheel queen and put it

00:56:37.530 --> 00:56:40.030
in his little car basket and then grabbed his

00:56:40.030 --> 00:56:43.130
milk and put it in the fridge. And it was just

00:56:43.130 --> 00:56:46.309
so sweet. That's cute. It was. Yeah. I'm like,

00:56:46.349 --> 00:56:48.969
it has not happened since. Yeah. But I mean,

00:56:48.989 --> 00:56:51.530
it may happen once. Yeah. Yeah. It's in there.

00:56:51.590 --> 00:56:53.969
It can happen again someday, but it was just

00:56:53.969 --> 00:56:57.409
so cute. So cute. I love it. Oh my gosh. Okay.

00:56:57.449 --> 00:56:59.849
Lindsay, how about you? Yeah. I feel mine's similar

00:56:59.849 --> 00:57:03.010
to yours. It's like wild. I feel like toddlers

00:57:03.010 --> 00:57:04.690
especially are just like little mirrors. I'm

00:57:04.690 --> 00:57:06.769
like, once they start like saying and doing and

00:57:06.769 --> 00:57:09.289
acting the way like back at us that we act with

00:57:09.289 --> 00:57:11.469
them, it's like very humbling and like really

00:57:11.469 --> 00:57:14.090
exciting. Hopefully, you know, mostly exciting.

00:57:14.150 --> 00:57:16.329
And then sometime like the other day, Maven out

00:57:16.329 --> 00:57:18.070
of nowhere, we were just like watching Bluey

00:57:18.070 --> 00:57:19.230
or something. She just looks up and she goes,

00:57:19.309 --> 00:57:21.510
what the hell? And I was like, oh my God, that

00:57:21.510 --> 00:57:23.130
should have been my mom moment. Honestly, I was

00:57:23.130 --> 00:57:25.050
like, I looked at his face and I was like, this

00:57:25.050 --> 00:57:28.489
is my fault. I was like, I'm so sorry. Anyways,

00:57:28.690 --> 00:57:31.719
so you know, there's good and bad. But no, we...

00:57:32.219 --> 00:57:34.960
Like I said, we rock her in her room and pray

00:57:34.960 --> 00:57:37.300
together every night. And I mean, even talking

00:57:37.300 --> 00:57:39.079
about Lightning McQueen, it's like we are kind

00:57:39.079 --> 00:57:40.639
friends and we check on our friends whenever.

00:57:41.199 --> 00:57:43.719
Recently, we've been talking about how when people

00:57:43.719 --> 00:57:45.539
are having a hard time or when Mama's having

00:57:45.539 --> 00:57:47.539
a hard time or Maven's having a hard time, we

00:57:47.539 --> 00:57:49.420
can stop and we can pray and we can ask Jesus

00:57:49.420 --> 00:57:52.480
to help us and be with us. And it's like every

00:57:52.480 --> 00:57:54.519
single time she's flailing around and she's like,

00:57:54.559 --> 00:57:57.320
like being silly. And I'm like, is she hearing

00:57:57.320 --> 00:57:59.280
anything I'm saying right now? And so the other

00:57:59.280 --> 00:58:02.489
day we went to Goodwill. We went thrifting and

00:58:02.489 --> 00:58:06.329
there was a woman that I don't exactly know what

00:58:06.329 --> 00:58:07.650
happened. We pulled up and there were several

00:58:07.650 --> 00:58:09.070
like cop cars and I was like, are we even going

00:58:09.070 --> 00:58:11.190
to go in a good one right now? But there was

00:58:11.190 --> 00:58:12.510
this woman outside they were talking to. She's

00:58:12.510 --> 00:58:14.369
in a wheelchair and she was having like some

00:58:14.369 --> 00:58:17.329
kind of panic attack or just like, I don't know

00:58:17.329 --> 00:58:18.849
if she tried to steal something and got caught

00:58:18.849 --> 00:58:20.329
or like, I don't know. Something was going on

00:58:20.329 --> 00:58:22.730
and she was like yelling and crying and they're

00:58:22.730 --> 00:58:25.030
trying to talk to her or whatever. And so I was

00:58:25.030 --> 00:58:26.469
like going really quick with me and it's actually.

00:58:27.119 --> 00:58:29.199
And full honesty, my second time back at Goodwill

00:58:29.199 --> 00:58:30.659
that day, because I saw a purse that I thought

00:58:30.659 --> 00:58:32.539
my mom might want, sent her a picture. And she

00:58:32.539 --> 00:58:34.039
was like, will you go back and get me that purse?

00:58:34.139 --> 00:58:35.579
And I was like, yes, I will. So this is our second

00:58:35.579 --> 00:58:36.940
time back. So I knew it was just going to be

00:58:36.940 --> 00:58:39.199
quick. So we go inside. We come back out. And

00:58:39.199 --> 00:58:41.519
Maven noticed this woman kind of yelling or whatever.

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We get in the car. And she goes, Mama, what's

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happening? I was like, well, buddy, I was like,

00:58:46.570 --> 00:58:48.929
I think she's just having a hard time. But the

00:58:48.929 --> 00:58:50.670
police are here. They're helping her. They're

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going to talk to her. Like they're checking on

00:58:52.230 --> 00:58:54.170
her or whatever. It's okay. So I get her in the

00:58:54.170 --> 00:58:55.789
car. And as we're driving away, she goes, oh,

00:58:56.030 --> 00:58:59.349
mama, she's having a hard time. We can pray for

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her. And I was like, oh, my God. I was like,

00:59:03.250 --> 00:59:05.989
yes, we can. You're right, buddy. We can. I was

00:59:05.989 --> 00:59:08.329
like, we should, you know? And so in the car

00:59:08.329 --> 00:59:12.050
and she said, thank you, Jesus, mama. You know,

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she's like not praying for this woman, but the

00:59:13.869 --> 00:59:15.469
fact that she like connected those two things,

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like the stranger is having a hard time and we

00:59:17.949 --> 00:59:19.590
can pray for people when they have our time,

00:59:19.650 --> 00:59:22.110
we can pray for ourselves, you know? And so I,

00:59:22.210 --> 00:59:23.550
you know, out loud, like pray in the car. I was

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like, yeah, Lord, we just thank you for Maven's

00:59:25.550 --> 00:59:28.070
awareness to pray for this woman. And like, she's

00:59:28.070 --> 00:59:29.789
having a hard time, but God would just be with

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her. And then. At the end of every prayer, I'll

00:59:32.050 --> 00:59:33.789
go, in Jesus' name, amen. And Maven will go,

00:59:33.849 --> 00:59:38.389
good job, mama. In Jesus' name, amen. I'm like,

00:59:38.530 --> 00:59:41.269
oh, my gosh. Thanks, sweetie. I know. It's so

00:59:41.269 --> 00:59:43.190
sweet. So there's little glimpses like that when

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I'm like, you know, it's been three or four months

00:59:45.570 --> 00:59:48.750
of us like talking about like prayer and we can

00:59:48.750 --> 00:59:50.789
talk to Jesus anytime we want. And, you know,

00:59:50.809 --> 00:59:52.590
and then just like one moment of her being like.

00:59:52.960 --> 00:59:55.039
we can pray for someone having a hard time. I

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was like, Oh my God, I love being a mom. You

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know? It was so sweet. That's so sweet. Yeah.

01:00:02.639 --> 01:00:04.420
Sweet little baby. Well, thank you for being

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on today and thank you for, yeah, just all the

01:00:08.019 --> 01:00:10.239
knowledge you brought to cycle tracking. And,

01:00:10.239 --> 01:00:14.139
um, hopefully anyone who listens just learns

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a little bit more about their own bodies today.

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Yeah. I hope so. Yeah. Thank you guys. Thank

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you. All right. We'll see you guys next time.

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See you next week. Bye. Well, that's enough oversharing

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