WEBVTT

00:00:13.419 --> 00:00:15.560
motherhood where sleep is a rumor and laundry

00:00:15.560 --> 00:00:18.320
is eternal and somehow we're supposed to be raising

00:00:18.320 --> 00:00:20.960
tiny humans through it all we're here to laugh

00:00:20.960 --> 00:00:23.899
at the chaos cry when necessary and remind you

00:00:23.899 --> 00:00:26.000
that none of us actually know what we're doing

00:00:26.000 --> 00:00:29.140
this is no manual a mom cast your mom friend

00:00:29.140 --> 00:00:31.739
group chat but with microphones welcome back

00:00:31.739 --> 00:00:34.679
to no manual mom cast Hi everyone, welcome back

00:00:34.679 --> 00:00:38.359
to No Manual, a mom cast. We are so excited you're

00:00:38.359 --> 00:00:41.560
tuning in today. And this is kind of fun because

00:00:41.560 --> 00:00:44.320
Erica and I are actually recording on Zoom today.

00:00:44.560 --> 00:00:47.799
So hopefully the audio is good for you guys.

00:00:48.700 --> 00:00:51.420
See, this is a test run. We've never done this

00:00:51.420 --> 00:00:55.979
before. Maybe we'll post some videos of it so

00:00:55.979 --> 00:00:58.299
you can see what we look like. I don't know.

00:00:58.520 --> 00:01:02.369
Also, for context, this is post -bedtime. Both

00:01:02.369 --> 00:01:06.390
of us had like rough, I mean, our bedtime wasn't

00:01:06.390 --> 00:01:10.609
the worst, but I think it took at least 45 minutes.

00:01:11.290 --> 00:01:13.629
Yes. And that's just like the getting to sleep.

00:01:13.670 --> 00:01:16.629
That's not like the process of like pajamas and

00:01:16.629 --> 00:01:18.709
bath and all that. No, no, no. That's just the

00:01:18.709 --> 00:01:22.530
like from when lights out to. Yeah. Everyone

00:01:22.530 --> 00:01:26.349
is like not screaming. Yes. Yeah. We are recording

00:01:26.349 --> 00:01:30.510
this. It's 915 right now. And yeah, bedtime for

00:01:30.510 --> 00:01:35.230
us started at 730. So almost two hours over here.

00:01:35.450 --> 00:01:38.390
We're all doing phenomenal. Yeah, we're we're

00:01:38.390 --> 00:01:43.010
hanging in. But today we are chatting just like

00:01:43.010 --> 00:01:45.930
about the past year. We've been doing this thing

00:01:45.930 --> 00:01:50.109
for a year now, which is so crazy. It's so crazy.

00:01:50.759 --> 00:01:53.659
Yeah. We'll get into it. Well, yeah, it'd be

00:01:53.659 --> 00:01:56.000
like 50 episodes or whatever. But do you want

00:01:56.000 --> 00:02:01.500
to start with your mom moment? Yeah. So I don't

00:02:01.500 --> 00:02:03.500
have like lots of nights that I just like go

00:02:03.500 --> 00:02:06.340
out and do something on my own. But it happens

00:02:06.340 --> 00:02:09.479
like maybe once or twice a quarter. I'll like

00:02:09.479 --> 00:02:13.599
have a girl's night or something like that. And

00:02:13.599 --> 00:02:18.060
my friend Carly, she has a wreath decorating

00:02:18.060 --> 00:02:21.560
party every December. And so, of course, December

00:02:21.560 --> 00:02:23.759
comes around, and I'm like, you know, have this

00:02:23.759 --> 00:02:27.020
in my head. I'll go to this party. And the night

00:02:27.020 --> 00:02:29.379
comes, like, getting ready to go, saying bye

00:02:29.379 --> 00:02:31.300
to the kids. Like, okay, Lloyd, like, come give

00:02:31.300 --> 00:02:33.060
Mama a hug. I'm going to go hang out with Auntie

00:02:33.060 --> 00:02:37.240
Carl. And he gives me a big hug, and he's, like,

00:02:37.240 --> 00:02:39.039
clearly sad. I'm like, it's okay, buddy. Like,

00:02:39.099 --> 00:02:40.699
you're going to have fun with Dad. You guys are

00:02:40.699 --> 00:02:42.560
going to get Taco Bell and have dinner and, like,

00:02:42.560 --> 00:02:47.840
blah, blah, blah. And he goes, stay home. And...

00:02:48.909 --> 00:02:52.349
I was like, what am I supposed to say to my two

00:02:52.349 --> 00:02:55.030
-year -old who just told me to stay home? It

00:02:55.030 --> 00:03:01.710
was so, so sweet. But also, it's not like I go

00:03:01.710 --> 00:03:04.389
out all the time. I need to go out and see my

00:03:04.389 --> 00:03:07.949
friends sometimes. But it was just so sad. He's

00:03:07.949 --> 00:03:10.729
also never asked me to stay home before. When

00:03:10.729 --> 00:03:13.569
I go do other things, I don't know. Again, it

00:03:13.569 --> 00:03:16.439
doesn't happen very often. I've never had him

00:03:16.439 --> 00:03:19.300
ask me to stay home. But as I was leaving, stay

00:03:19.300 --> 00:03:24.000
home. Oh, buddy. You're like, mommy has to go,

00:03:24.139 --> 00:03:27.780
but I'm sorry. You're going to have fun. Yeah.

00:03:28.020 --> 00:03:31.919
Oh, my gosh. That's so sad. But also, hey, you

00:03:31.919 --> 00:03:34.379
deserve the mom's night out. And it was sweet.

00:03:34.479 --> 00:03:37.360
And someday I'll be like, you wanted me to stay

00:03:37.360 --> 00:03:40.860
home, you know, in 10, 15 years when he's given

00:03:40.860 --> 00:03:43.939
me sass. Then I'll have this memory and tell

00:03:43.939 --> 00:03:45.840
him that. He asked me to stay home one time.

00:03:46.020 --> 00:03:48.580
Yeah, that's cute. Might not be the only time.

00:03:48.840 --> 00:03:53.819
That's true. Yeah. Okay, my mom moment. So I

00:03:53.819 --> 00:03:56.240
think I talked about it before. Colt chipped

00:03:56.240 --> 00:03:59.460
his tooth like, I don't know, that was like three

00:03:59.460 --> 00:04:02.620
weeks ago or something like that. Yeah. But for

00:04:02.620 --> 00:04:07.900
some reason now he started biting. Like he started.

00:04:08.599 --> 00:04:11.460
uh like biting just like Michael and I like playfully

00:04:11.460 --> 00:04:14.199
or when he's feeling like he's being shy like

00:04:14.199 --> 00:04:17.000
if he's meeting a new person he'll like kind

00:04:17.000 --> 00:04:21.839
of like bite us and then um this last weekend

00:04:21.839 --> 00:04:24.860
at church we like picked him up from kids ministry

00:04:24.860 --> 00:04:28.360
and we know like pretty much all the the people

00:04:28.360 --> 00:04:30.579
in his classroom and Cruz's classroom because

00:04:30.579 --> 00:04:34.220
they're our kids are there all the time and um

00:04:34.620 --> 00:04:36.680
The woman that was, like, running the classroom

00:04:36.680 --> 00:04:38.759
was like, hey, like, we don't usually tell parents

00:04:38.759 --> 00:04:40.879
this, but I just wanted to make you aware that,

00:04:40.939 --> 00:04:44.839
like, that Colt bit a little girl today. And

00:04:44.839 --> 00:04:48.379
we were like, oh, my gosh, what? And she was

00:04:48.379 --> 00:04:50.879
like, the only, like, reason we actually knew

00:04:50.879 --> 00:04:53.240
is because she was crying. And then we looked,

00:04:53.259 --> 00:04:55.360
and she had, like, two little bite marks on her

00:04:55.360 --> 00:04:59.279
finger. And, like, Colt was, like, next to her.

00:04:59.660 --> 00:05:01.720
And so we, like, asked Colt about it, and he

00:05:01.720 --> 00:05:04.319
was like. He was like, yes. And we were like,

00:05:04.459 --> 00:05:09.279
OK, why did you why did you bite her? And he

00:05:09.279 --> 00:05:11.540
basically was like, I didn't want to play with

00:05:11.540 --> 00:05:15.339
her. And I was like, there are better ways to

00:05:15.339 --> 00:05:17.899
tell people. Yeah, I was like, did she like take

00:05:17.899 --> 00:05:19.579
something from you that you had? And he was like,

00:05:19.680 --> 00:05:22.279
yes, from the kitchen. And I was like, oh, you

00:05:22.279 --> 00:05:23.939
were playing at the kitchen and she grabbed something

00:05:23.939 --> 00:05:26.259
from you. And he's like, yes. And I was like,

00:05:26.339 --> 00:05:30.139
okay, well, next time, like we can't bite. That's

00:05:30.139 --> 00:05:35.160
not good. And so now, like, so that was actually

00:05:35.160 --> 00:05:38.000
two weekends ago. So this weekend at church,

00:05:38.100 --> 00:05:40.439
like as he goes into class, I'm like, okay, buddy,

00:05:40.579 --> 00:05:43.560
like we can't bite anybody today. And then when

00:05:43.560 --> 00:05:46.319
we picked him up, he's like, mommy, no, I no

00:05:46.319 --> 00:05:49.379
bite anyone. And I was like, yes, buddy. Good

00:05:49.379 --> 00:05:52.160
job, buddy. But then he proceeded to tell us

00:05:52.160 --> 00:05:54.540
that he pushed somebody. So then we're like,

00:05:54.680 --> 00:05:57.480
you know. You win some, you lose some. Yeah,

00:05:57.519 --> 00:06:00.240
yeah. I'm like, okay, my kid. Is my kid going

00:06:00.240 --> 00:06:02.139
to be that kid in the classroom that's like.

00:06:02.480 --> 00:06:04.519
That's biting people. You know, yeah. This is

00:06:04.519 --> 00:06:08.540
the last warning for Cole. He can't keep biting.

00:06:09.000 --> 00:06:11.139
He can't come back to church, even though you

00:06:11.139 --> 00:06:13.699
work here. You're going to figure something else

00:06:13.699 --> 00:06:18.509
out. Yeah, yeah. And it's so sharp with his like

00:06:18.509 --> 00:06:21.470
shark tooth. Yeah. Well, I mean, kids teeth are

00:06:21.470 --> 00:06:23.889
sharp anyways, but then with the chip tooth,

00:06:24.009 --> 00:06:26.910
it's going to be even worse for sure. Literally

00:06:26.910 --> 00:06:32.029
a dagger. Like, I don't even know. Yeah. So super

00:06:32.029 --> 00:06:36.670
fun. Yeah. Biting is just great. Yeah. We're

00:06:36.670 --> 00:06:39.689
in a throwing phase. Like everything gets thrown.

00:06:39.829 --> 00:06:41.750
I don't know. I mean, it's definitely not as

00:06:41.750 --> 00:06:44.009
bad as biting. Although Lloyd has bit Zeta a

00:06:44.009 --> 00:06:46.519
handful of times now. Yeah, where it's, like,

00:06:46.579 --> 00:06:51.060
everything has to be thrown. Yeah. And he'll

00:06:51.060 --> 00:06:54.660
announce it before he does. And this is a side

00:06:54.660 --> 00:06:58.500
tangent, but I'll tell the story. We were eating

00:06:58.500 --> 00:07:01.500
lunch today. That's what it was. And he was,

00:07:01.500 --> 00:07:03.439
like, throwing his food. And we're, like, clearly

00:07:03.439 --> 00:07:05.060
he's not eating. So we, like, took his plate

00:07:05.060 --> 00:07:09.519
away. And then he was, like, eat, eat, and, like,

00:07:09.519 --> 00:07:11.180
asking for his plate back. And we're, like, okay,

00:07:11.220 --> 00:07:14.040
buddy. What are you going to do if we give you

00:07:14.040 --> 00:07:20.660
your plate back? Row it. Well, at least you're

00:07:20.660 --> 00:07:22.959
telling us. Yeah. Thank you for being honest,

00:07:23.040 --> 00:07:27.379
but we don't throw food. So you do not get your

00:07:27.379 --> 00:07:29.560
plate back unless you're going to eat it. And

00:07:29.560 --> 00:07:31.759
he like clearly was like contemplating, like,

00:07:31.759 --> 00:07:34.920
I don't know if he was like trying to figure

00:07:34.920 --> 00:07:37.560
out how to likes. I don't think. Our kids are

00:07:37.560 --> 00:07:38.860
at the age where, like, they even understand

00:07:38.860 --> 00:07:41.720
the concept of lying yet. But clearly he was,

00:07:41.759 --> 00:07:43.720
like, trying to figure out, like, what do I say

00:07:43.720 --> 00:07:47.199
to get what I want? Yes. Gosh, that's so funny.

00:07:47.199 --> 00:07:51.060
What a fun time. Yeah. Yeah, Colt is biting Cruz

00:07:51.060 --> 00:07:53.220
a lot. And I just feel so bad because I'm like,

00:07:53.259 --> 00:07:56.740
he's so little. And, like, Cruz just, like, grabs

00:07:56.740 --> 00:07:59.699
things. And then Colt will be, like, wanting

00:07:59.699 --> 00:08:01.779
to get it back from him. So he just, like, bites

00:08:01.779 --> 00:08:05.470
him. And I'm like. no buddy we do not this is

00:08:05.470 --> 00:08:07.750
not how we communicate our feelings yeah yeah

00:08:07.750 --> 00:08:09.910
and he doesn't really quite understand like the

00:08:09.910 --> 00:08:13.910
like you gotta go and like sit and and not play

00:08:13.910 --> 00:08:16.050
with your toys right now because you need to

00:08:16.050 --> 00:08:19.389
yeah i i can't just let you like move on from

00:08:19.389 --> 00:08:22.490
this without a little bit of a consequence so

00:08:22.490 --> 00:08:26.699
i don't know figuring it out but yeah Trying

00:08:26.699 --> 00:08:28.639
to figure out discipline and consequences for

00:08:28.639 --> 00:08:30.879
a two year old is really hard. Oh my gosh. He

00:08:30.879 --> 00:08:33.399
just laughs at me sometimes. Yeah. We have a

00:08:33.399 --> 00:08:35.879
bunch of stuff like that where it's like he throws

00:08:35.879 --> 00:08:37.860
something and we're like, we literally told you

00:08:37.860 --> 00:08:40.120
not to throw that. So it gets taken away. But

00:08:40.120 --> 00:08:43.259
also like, do you even care or realize or yeah.

00:08:43.600 --> 00:08:49.379
Yeah. Well, super fun times. Yeah. Do you, let's

00:08:49.379 --> 00:08:52.809
just hop right in. Like, um, It's been a year.

00:08:53.029 --> 00:08:55.370
It's been a year. I feel like we, did we ever

00:08:55.370 --> 00:08:58.350
really tell the story of like how our podcast

00:08:58.350 --> 00:09:02.649
came about and what was like the idea behind

00:09:02.649 --> 00:09:06.429
it? I don't know because I feel like every time

00:09:06.429 --> 00:09:09.230
we have guests, we tell the story, but I don't

00:09:09.230 --> 00:09:11.950
know if we've ever told it on mic. Yeah. Yeah,

00:09:12.029 --> 00:09:14.029
that's true. Do you want to kind of like tell

00:09:14.029 --> 00:09:17.490
the story? Sure. Yeah, where this came about.

00:09:18.159 --> 00:09:21.840
Yeah, so for me, when I was pregnant with Lloyd,

00:09:22.039 --> 00:09:26.100
Stuart had the idea to do a baby podcast. And

00:09:26.100 --> 00:09:27.879
it was really just, like, I think I've talked

00:09:27.879 --> 00:09:30.559
about this part before, where it was, like, him

00:09:30.559 --> 00:09:32.720
and I were going to sit down and have some, like,

00:09:32.720 --> 00:09:34.639
questions and basically just, like, record a

00:09:34.639 --> 00:09:36.759
conversation of us, like, preparing to be parents.

00:09:37.299 --> 00:09:40.220
And we ended up doing that after Lloyd was born

00:09:40.220 --> 00:09:43.220
instead of before, which actually I think outworked

00:09:43.220 --> 00:09:46.559
way better. Yeah. Yeah, so I think that worked

00:09:46.559 --> 00:09:49.559
out better. And it ended up being like a lot

00:09:49.559 --> 00:09:52.139
of fun. And I had never thought of myself as

00:09:52.139 --> 00:09:54.419
a podcaster, but I was like, oh, I think like

00:09:54.419 --> 00:09:59.320
maybe I could do this. But also everyone is a

00:09:59.320 --> 00:10:01.639
podcaster and everyone just starts podcasts.

00:10:01.899 --> 00:10:04.059
So I was like, if I ever start a podcast, it's

00:10:04.059 --> 00:10:05.659
going to be like super deliberate. I'm going

00:10:05.659 --> 00:10:08.120
to have like, I'm not just going to start one

00:10:08.120 --> 00:10:10.779
to share my opinion with the world. It'll be

00:10:10.779 --> 00:10:14.399
intentional. Like I need to have a subject. Also,

00:10:14.440 --> 00:10:17.100
I know that like. I am not a personality that

00:10:17.100 --> 00:10:20.320
could have a single host podcast. Like there's

00:10:20.320 --> 00:10:24.039
nothing that I'm like that even motherhood, like

00:10:24.039 --> 00:10:26.220
I love motherhood, but I could not talk about

00:10:26.220 --> 00:10:29.299
it just on my own. So for me, there was those

00:10:29.299 --> 00:10:31.860
two things where I was like, okay, I could potentially

00:10:31.860 --> 00:10:36.320
have a podcast, but I need to have a subject

00:10:36.320 --> 00:10:39.019
that's like very specific and thought out. And

00:10:39.019 --> 00:10:42.679
I need to have a co -host. And I think one thing

00:10:42.679 --> 00:10:45.299
a lot of people don't know is that, like, you

00:10:45.299 --> 00:10:47.820
and I, like, we would have said we were friends

00:10:47.820 --> 00:10:51.179
before this. Yeah. But, like, not really. Like,

00:10:51.200 --> 00:10:53.639
that sounds bad. Yeah. Not super close friends.

00:10:53.679 --> 00:10:56.080
Like, we knew each other. The first time I think

00:10:56.080 --> 00:10:57.759
we ever hung out one -on -one was when I was

00:10:57.759 --> 00:10:59.779
like, hey, do you want to start a podcast? Yes.

00:10:59.879 --> 00:11:03.759
Yeah. I guess we had hung out, like, our families

00:11:03.759 --> 00:11:06.679
had hung out once or twice before. But, yeah,

00:11:06.740 --> 00:11:11.029
so it wasn't like we were super close. But, yeah,

00:11:11.070 --> 00:11:14.889
so for me, then, like, Lloyd was born, started

00:11:14.889 --> 00:11:18.570
doing this motherhood thing. And one of the things

00:11:18.570 --> 00:11:22.570
I just realized was how many moms, like, want

00:11:22.570 --> 00:11:26.789
to tell their stories. And there's just, like,

00:11:26.830 --> 00:11:29.009
not a lot. I mean, yeah, there's just not a lot

00:11:29.009 --> 00:11:31.870
of places to do it. But then also, like, how

00:11:31.870 --> 00:11:34.610
hard motherhood is and how weird the Internet

00:11:34.610 --> 00:11:37.649
is about it, where it's, like, either. everything

00:11:37.649 --> 00:11:41.750
is all put together and we like fake it or it's

00:11:41.750 --> 00:11:44.129
the opposite where it turns into this like really

00:11:44.129 --> 00:11:47.169
toxic cycle of everything's the worst and we

00:11:47.169 --> 00:11:49.549
don't see any joy in it so it's like how can

00:11:49.549 --> 00:11:52.429
we like kind of bridge the gap of like yes it's

00:11:52.429 --> 00:11:57.350
really really hard but also like it's fun and

00:11:57.350 --> 00:12:00.110
it's beautiful and like those two things do coexist

00:12:00.110 --> 00:12:04.899
um and then For some reason, your name was just,

00:12:04.940 --> 00:12:07.919
like, the name in my mind of, like, oh, I should

00:12:07.919 --> 00:12:10.639
reach out to Laura. Our kids are almost literally

00:12:10.639 --> 00:12:14.159
the same age. I, like, just, it was one of those

00:12:14.159 --> 00:12:16.460
things where your name, like, kept coming into

00:12:16.460 --> 00:12:18.120
my mind. So I was, like, okay, I feel like this

00:12:18.120 --> 00:12:20.899
is a God thing and not just, like, me thinking

00:12:20.899 --> 00:12:23.620
of someone. And then when I reached out to you

00:12:23.620 --> 00:12:28.259
about it, we were both pregnant with one -and

00:12:28.259 --> 00:12:29.840
-a -half -year -olds, not even one -and -a -half

00:12:29.840 --> 00:12:32.990
-year -olds, with one -year -olds. Freshly one

00:12:32.990 --> 00:12:35.990
-year -olds. And we did the insane thing of starting

00:12:35.990 --> 00:12:39.850
a podcast while we were pregnant with small children.

00:12:40.350 --> 00:12:44.429
Yes. Yeah. And we started it, like, I mean, you

00:12:44.429 --> 00:12:47.190
were going to go and, like, you were finding

00:12:47.190 --> 00:12:50.269
out that maybe you were going to have to be induced

00:12:50.269 --> 00:12:54.009
early. So it was like we, yeah, we always had

00:12:54.009 --> 00:12:56.250
the thought of, like, starting it right after

00:12:56.250 --> 00:12:59.980
the new year. Yeah. And then it, like. we started

00:12:59.980 --> 00:13:02.019
it and then it was like, Oh crap, we need to

00:13:02.019 --> 00:13:04.620
like, we need to record a good amount of episodes

00:13:04.620 --> 00:13:08.080
because like you could be induced sooner than

00:13:08.080 --> 00:13:12.379
we like 37 weeks. Yeah. Yeah. I remember like,

00:13:12.519 --> 00:13:15.759
okay. So when you texted me, so you, yeah, you

00:13:15.759 --> 00:13:18.039
reached out to me and you were like, Hey, this

00:13:18.039 --> 00:13:21.120
is, this is going to be a long message. Like,

00:13:21.120 --> 00:13:26.000
uh, and also might sound kind of crazy, but like,

00:13:26.059 --> 00:13:29.210
I want to start this podcast. And your name just

00:13:29.210 --> 00:13:32.769
keeps like popping up into my head. You don't

00:13:32.769 --> 00:13:35.070
have to respond right away, but what do you think

00:13:35.070 --> 00:13:38.129
about that? And like happy to sit down for coffee.

00:13:38.309 --> 00:13:40.769
And so like when I got that text message, I was

00:13:40.769 --> 00:13:44.889
like, I had all, Michael and I had started talking

00:13:44.889 --> 00:13:47.690
about like, should we start a podcast? I don't

00:13:47.690 --> 00:13:51.070
know what it was going to be about, but never

00:13:51.070 --> 00:13:54.610
really had the thought of like doing a podcast

00:13:54.610 --> 00:13:57.559
with somebody else or. even like what it would

00:13:57.559 --> 00:14:01.139
be about. And I remember like responding to you

00:14:01.139 --> 00:14:03.000
and being like, I'd love to hear more about it.

00:14:03.039 --> 00:14:06.179
Let's meet for coffee. And so we met at, we met

00:14:06.179 --> 00:14:09.100
at, did we meet for Boba first? Yeah, we did

00:14:09.100 --> 00:14:14.059
meet. Yeah. We met for Boba first. And, um, you

00:14:14.059 --> 00:14:15.759
were just like, you were able to tell me like

00:14:15.759 --> 00:14:18.519
your heart behind it. And I think at that point

00:14:18.519 --> 00:14:20.799
I was like, okay, like, let's try it. Like I'm

00:14:20.799 --> 00:14:24.889
in. No, literally that day. I like. got home

00:14:24.889 --> 00:14:26.789
and Stuart was like, oh, so how'd it go? And

00:14:26.789 --> 00:14:30.190
I mean, partially I like to prepare for the worst.

00:14:30.269 --> 00:14:32.570
So I had a hundred percent prepared for like,

00:14:32.669 --> 00:14:35.110
oh, she's going to be polite, but be like, oh,

00:14:35.129 --> 00:14:37.190
that's a like super cool idea. But you know,

00:14:37.230 --> 00:14:39.669
this season of life, whatever. And so I like

00:14:39.669 --> 00:14:41.210
get home and Stuart's like, how'd it go? I was

00:14:41.210 --> 00:14:44.070
like, I think we're starting a podcast. Like,

00:14:44.129 --> 00:14:47.129
I think that's what's happening. We didn't really

00:14:47.129 --> 00:14:49.929
make any like official plans, but I think that's

00:14:49.929 --> 00:14:52.590
what's happening. Yes. Yeah. I remember like,

00:14:53.230 --> 00:14:57.049
going home and feeling like super nervous about

00:14:57.049 --> 00:14:59.730
it already. And just like, like, nobody's going

00:14:59.730 --> 00:15:02.690
to want to hear what I have to say about motherhood.

00:15:02.710 --> 00:15:04.730
Cause I've only been a mother for a year and

00:15:04.730 --> 00:15:08.269
a half. And I remember, I think Michael was like,

00:15:08.389 --> 00:15:11.570
you know, that's not necessarily true. Like,

00:15:11.629 --> 00:15:14.090
you know, why don't you try it out? And if it

00:15:14.090 --> 00:15:17.169
doesn't work out, like, you know, it's not like

00:15:17.169 --> 00:15:19.409
you've signed any type of contract you've tried.

00:15:19.450 --> 00:15:22.370
Yeah. You've tried something and like, you know,

00:15:22.799 --> 00:15:26.019
That's a, it's a great thing to try. And so then

00:15:26.019 --> 00:15:30.279
we met at Starbucks again, like a week or a couple

00:15:30.279 --> 00:15:33.080
of weeks later or something like that. And, uh,

00:15:33.220 --> 00:15:36.580
we were like, all right, like, how do we, how

00:15:36.580 --> 00:15:39.220
do we even do this? Like, what do we want to

00:15:39.220 --> 00:15:41.539
call it? Neither of us have done this before.

00:15:41.879 --> 00:15:45.139
Yeah. Yeah. And then like talked about what dates

00:15:45.139 --> 00:15:47.980
we wanted to try to record and like just timeline

00:15:47.980 --> 00:15:51.519
of us both being like. pretty pregnant and all

00:15:51.519 --> 00:15:55.720
that and yeah um I remember like so our name

00:15:55.720 --> 00:15:59.460
no manual I remember we just like put our ideas

00:15:59.460 --> 00:16:03.320
into chat GPT we were like and I also think what

00:16:03.320 --> 00:16:06.200
would you name this podcast I also think that

00:16:06.200 --> 00:16:09.360
it came up with a worse version yes and we were

00:16:09.360 --> 00:16:12.200
like yeah that that isn't it but what if we did

00:16:12.200 --> 00:16:14.519
no manual instead yeah it was like something

00:16:14.519 --> 00:16:17.899
with I feel like the word manual I think manual

00:16:17.899 --> 00:16:20.419
for motherhood or something like that. And we're

00:16:20.419 --> 00:16:22.580
like, we don't have any answers. So no, that's

00:16:22.580 --> 00:16:25.940
not it. No. And so we were like, what about no

00:16:25.940 --> 00:16:29.419
manual? Like, yeah. So I don't know. That was,

00:16:29.419 --> 00:16:32.919
it was cool to like lock down a name. And then

00:16:32.919 --> 00:16:37.019
I, at least I remember leaving that coffee and

00:16:37.019 --> 00:16:39.299
I was like, all right, like we're actually doing

00:16:39.299 --> 00:16:42.299
this thing. Yeah. And that was encouraging and

00:16:42.299 --> 00:16:45.019
also like nerve wracking. What did you, what

00:16:45.019 --> 00:16:48.409
did you feel? I mean, I was excited and, but

00:16:48.409 --> 00:16:50.110
yeah, I think I felt the same way where it's

00:16:50.110 --> 00:16:52.490
like super exciting and like, this is going to

00:16:52.490 --> 00:16:56.289
be fun. But again, like what if no one listens?

00:16:56.389 --> 00:16:59.230
What if no one cares? What are we going to talk

00:16:59.230 --> 00:17:02.929
about? Uh, I mean, I think like we had some ideas

00:17:02.929 --> 00:17:06.049
going in, like we knew we wanted to have a balance

00:17:06.049 --> 00:17:08.710
of like interviewing moms and also knowing that

00:17:08.710 --> 00:17:10.569
like trying to have an interview every single

00:17:10.569 --> 00:17:14.559
week just isn't really feasible. Yep. So. Yeah.

00:17:14.619 --> 00:17:16.200
Then it's like, OK, what are we going to talk

00:17:16.200 --> 00:17:19.500
about? Like, are the things we want to talk about

00:17:19.500 --> 00:17:21.900
relatable to other moms? Yeah. That kind of stuff.

00:17:21.980 --> 00:17:24.240
So there was definitely nerves there. But then,

00:17:24.240 --> 00:17:26.700
yeah, also excitement and glad that you were

00:17:26.700 --> 00:17:30.039
excited, too, because then like for me, there

00:17:30.039 --> 00:17:32.400
was also this feeling of like, oh, am I super

00:17:32.400 --> 00:17:34.539
excited and best in this? And she's just like,

00:17:34.579 --> 00:17:37.880
oh, whatever, you know, and like, I don't know

00:17:37.880 --> 00:17:39.779
why I had that thought. But, you know, there's

00:17:39.779 --> 00:17:42.400
just like those intrusive thoughts of like, you

00:17:42.400 --> 00:17:44.430
know. I'm going to put in all this effort and

00:17:44.430 --> 00:17:46.269
she's just along for the ride, which like, of

00:17:46.269 --> 00:17:49.569
course is not true. But yeah. Um, when you're

00:17:49.569 --> 00:17:51.009
jumping into something with someone, you're like,

00:17:51.089 --> 00:17:54.309
is that how this is going to go? For sure. And

00:17:54.309 --> 00:17:57.910
I feel like, like you said, like where you, you

00:17:57.910 --> 00:17:59.430
were nervous that no one was going to listen.

00:17:59.549 --> 00:18:01.430
That was something I was like, well, no one's

00:18:01.430 --> 00:18:03.349
like, what if no one listens? And Michael's like,

00:18:03.470 --> 00:18:06.549
how would people know if no one listened? You

00:18:06.549 --> 00:18:09.650
know? Like, yeah. It's not like you're, I don't

00:18:09.650 --> 00:18:12.579
know. You're. your listen numbers are out there

00:18:12.579 --> 00:18:15.440
or whatever. It's like, if this is something

00:18:15.440 --> 00:18:18.700
that brings you joy, which it does like, then

00:18:18.700 --> 00:18:21.920
why not give it a try and like, why not do it?

00:18:21.960 --> 00:18:25.740
So that was super encouraging. And like, like

00:18:25.740 --> 00:18:28.359
I said, I was super nervous. Like really, I was

00:18:28.359 --> 00:18:32.019
nervous to like record my voice and like hear

00:18:32.019 --> 00:18:36.700
my voice and yeah. And try not to say something

00:18:36.700 --> 00:18:41.450
stupid. Stuart makes us sound better than he's

00:18:41.450 --> 00:18:43.849
definitely he's told me a few times he's like

00:18:43.849 --> 00:18:47.049
I edited it out when you or when Laura said like

00:18:47.049 --> 00:18:49.589
this because it just made you sound dumb thank

00:18:49.589 --> 00:18:52.730
you thank you for having our back Stuart yeah

00:18:52.730 --> 00:18:56.289
it was a dumb moment we have those all the time

00:18:56.289 --> 00:19:00.089
especially when we were pregnant and now postpartum

00:19:00.089 --> 00:19:02.269
and you're like, my brain just does not function

00:19:02.269 --> 00:19:04.569
at a hundred percent. The amount of times we

00:19:04.569 --> 00:19:07.450
had to stop for like, I think we were both sick

00:19:07.450 --> 00:19:10.130
at one point for like coughing or sneezing or

00:19:10.130 --> 00:19:12.930
like, we both were super congested when we were

00:19:12.930 --> 00:19:16.069
pregnant. Yes. Yeah. I don't know what that was.

00:19:16.390 --> 00:19:19.349
Hormones really get you, but it was not a fun

00:19:19.349 --> 00:19:22.849
time. So props, props to Stuart. He's our, he's

00:19:22.849 --> 00:19:26.549
our, uh, production guy and just knows all the

00:19:26.549 --> 00:19:30.809
things our producer our editor all you know yeah

00:19:30.809 --> 00:19:34.470
we wouldn't sound this good without it no um

00:19:34.470 --> 00:19:37.410
but speaking of listens so we're recording this

00:19:37.410 --> 00:19:39.529
in December which means everyone's Spotify wrapped

00:19:39.529 --> 00:19:44.430
just came out and I did have a mom text me and

00:19:44.430 --> 00:19:46.230
say that we were her number one podcast this

00:19:46.230 --> 00:19:48.630
year which I should have I don't know why I didn't

00:19:48.630 --> 00:19:50.589
I think I meant to send it to you and it was

00:19:50.589 --> 00:19:52.849
one of those days when Nothing was happening.

00:19:52.970 --> 00:19:55.430
But that was, like, super special and fun. Like,

00:19:55.569 --> 00:19:59.089
oh, okay. It's not just my mom listening. Cool.

00:19:59.289 --> 00:20:00.869
Do you have a screenshot of that? You should

00:20:00.869 --> 00:20:03.130
send it to me. Yeah, I'll take a screenshot and

00:20:03.130 --> 00:20:05.769
send it to you. Okay. Yes, I love that. That's

00:20:05.769 --> 00:20:07.930
super encouraging. I was kind of curious about

00:20:07.930 --> 00:20:09.829
that whenever I've been seeing people Spotify

00:20:09.829 --> 00:20:13.609
-wrapped and, like, their podcast things. I'm

00:20:13.609 --> 00:20:16.210
like, you know what? I bet Michael's grandma

00:20:16.210 --> 00:20:19.970
has us as number one. Yeah. Because I think she's,

00:20:19.990 --> 00:20:23.900
like, And on my side of the family, she's like

00:20:23.900 --> 00:20:27.240
our most frequent listener that I know of. Yeah.

00:20:27.420 --> 00:20:31.140
I know my mom listens. Yes. And then Stuart always

00:20:31.140 --> 00:20:33.359
listens to make sure that it actually, like,

00:20:33.400 --> 00:20:35.680
of course he edits everything, but then he makes

00:20:35.680 --> 00:20:38.299
sure that it sounds good when it's released as

00:20:38.299 --> 00:20:42.880
well. Nice. Yeah. And I also always listen because

00:20:42.880 --> 00:20:45.220
I'm like, I just, like, what did I say again?

00:20:45.619 --> 00:20:48.680
I forgot. The amount of times I'm like, wait,

00:20:48.740 --> 00:20:52.660
what episode did we release this week? Yes. So

00:20:52.660 --> 00:20:55.960
many times. Yeah. Oh, yeah. OK, what has been

00:20:55.960 --> 00:20:59.859
like your most memorable episode that you that

00:20:59.859 --> 00:21:04.259
we've recorded? So the memorable one and like

00:21:04.259 --> 00:21:07.480
maybe not a great way, but turned out really

00:21:07.480 --> 00:21:10.880
well. What our listeners don't know is when we

00:21:10.880 --> 00:21:14.500
recorded with Stephanie Kane. Yes. I think we

00:21:14.500 --> 00:21:16.420
released her episode in like April or May. It

00:21:16.420 --> 00:21:19.720
was a while back. We had so many technical difficulties.

00:21:20.000 --> 00:21:24.400
Like to the point where once we were done recording,

00:21:24.480 --> 00:21:25.680
we were like, we don't know if we're going to

00:21:25.680 --> 00:21:27.599
be able to release this. That's how bad it was.

00:21:27.740 --> 00:21:31.500
The audio was just super messed up. It was just

00:21:31.500 --> 00:21:34.400
a mess. We stopped like every five minutes throughout

00:21:34.400 --> 00:21:38.359
recording that episode because. We just, yeah,

00:21:38.420 --> 00:21:41.579
had so many issues. We've never had issues like

00:21:41.579 --> 00:21:45.259
that for any other guest. We've had like a couple

00:21:45.259 --> 00:21:48.900
of like one -offs, but never like to that caliber.

00:21:49.160 --> 00:21:51.920
No, it was to the point where like in our ears,

00:21:52.000 --> 00:21:55.980
like she sounded like a robot to me. It was crazy.

00:21:56.380 --> 00:21:59.420
It was cutting out. It was just like, it was

00:21:59.420 --> 00:22:02.720
terrible. The thing is, like, if you haven't

00:22:02.720 --> 00:22:05.539
listened to Stephanie Kane's episode, you should

00:22:05.539 --> 00:22:07.700
definitely go back and listen because her story

00:22:07.700 --> 00:22:10.460
is so impactful. And her story is about the loss

00:22:10.460 --> 00:22:14.960
of her child through suicide. And it just, like,

00:22:15.079 --> 00:22:17.720
it felt totally, like, I think you had said this,

00:22:17.779 --> 00:22:20.799
like, totally like the enemy was trying to just

00:22:20.799 --> 00:22:25.660
tear apart that episode. And it was super discouraging,

00:22:25.660 --> 00:22:29.490
but also, like. just the, our conversation with

00:22:29.490 --> 00:22:31.869
Stephanie was so impactful that I was like, it

00:22:31.869 --> 00:22:35.890
made us both sad. Like thinking that we wouldn't

00:22:35.890 --> 00:22:39.170
have been able to release that episode. Yeah.

00:22:39.289 --> 00:22:43.210
So then with that and with Stuart, who is our

00:22:43.210 --> 00:22:48.029
magician, he, he worked on, I mean, that was

00:22:48.029 --> 00:22:49.609
probably the episode he's worked the most on.

00:22:49.769 --> 00:22:53.869
Um, and somehow he saved it. Like I kind of know

00:22:53.869 --> 00:22:56.700
what he did. I think. It boiled down to he got

00:22:56.700 --> 00:23:00.720
rid of all of her audio and ramped up your mic

00:23:00.720 --> 00:23:03.759
that her voice picked up through. I think that's

00:23:03.759 --> 00:23:07.759
what he said he did. Oh, dang. So, but he, yeah,

00:23:07.819 --> 00:23:12.339
worked his magic and saved the episode. But,

00:23:12.420 --> 00:23:15.380
yeah, so that's like a crazy memory where, yeah,

00:23:15.500 --> 00:23:19.890
again, we were legitimately like. okay so what

00:23:19.890 --> 00:23:21.710
happens if we can't release this episode like

00:23:21.710 --> 00:23:25.869
we're gonna be so sad for starters um and i think

00:23:25.869 --> 00:23:28.269
she was also one of the first guests we had that

00:23:28.269 --> 00:23:31.170
wasn't like a friend friend because that's definitely

00:23:31.170 --> 00:23:33.289
where we started like our first guest was my

00:23:33.289 --> 00:23:35.630
mom so we're like we know like she's for sure

00:23:35.630 --> 00:23:38.049
gonna say yes and then you know our first few

00:23:38.049 --> 00:23:39.710
guests were people who it's like we're pretty

00:23:39.710 --> 00:23:43.029
close with and you know if there's issues or

00:23:43.029 --> 00:23:46.160
whatever they're gonna be And not that Stephanie,

00:23:46.400 --> 00:23:48.859
of course, was very understanding. But we were

00:23:48.859 --> 00:23:51.539
both like, we feel so unprofessional. I know.

00:23:51.700 --> 00:23:55.519
I know. Yeah, I felt like, yeah, it felt like

00:23:55.519 --> 00:23:58.799
that we were just like, I'm so sorry. Like, this

00:23:58.799 --> 00:24:02.200
is way more technical difficulties than usual,

00:24:02.359 --> 00:24:03.519
which it totally was. Doesn't usually go like

00:24:03.519 --> 00:24:06.980
this. Yeah. Yeah. And we also haven't had that

00:24:06.980 --> 00:24:10.119
experience since. I know. Which is crazy. That

00:24:10.119 --> 00:24:14.289
was wild. It was just a one -off. crazy moment

00:24:14.289 --> 00:24:17.230
yeah yeah yeah what about you what's one of your

00:24:17.230 --> 00:24:21.250
favorite episode memories okay so I think I don't

00:24:21.250 --> 00:24:25.630
know about favorite episode but um like I think

00:24:25.630 --> 00:24:28.349
whenever I got honestly I got to share my story

00:24:28.349 --> 00:24:31.089
like that was one of our first episodes we recorded

00:24:31.089 --> 00:24:34.109
too was our stories um and like how we got to

00:24:34.109 --> 00:24:39.059
become moms and my story is just like We had

00:24:39.059 --> 00:24:41.640
been praying for a baby for a really long time.

00:24:42.039 --> 00:24:45.660
And I don't know, I like after four years, we

00:24:45.660 --> 00:24:49.500
got pregnant through fertility treatment. And

00:24:49.500 --> 00:24:53.279
it was just it was cool to be able to tell my

00:24:53.279 --> 00:24:58.819
story. And I've gotten probably 10 or so people

00:24:58.819 --> 00:25:02.380
who have reached out just saying how like impactful.

00:25:03.319 --> 00:25:06.960
my story has been for their story being similar

00:25:06.960 --> 00:25:11.380
to ours with infertility and just like hearing

00:25:11.380 --> 00:25:15.220
about our faithfulness. And then that, you know,

00:25:15.220 --> 00:25:18.079
we did get pregnant and we were able to have

00:25:18.079 --> 00:25:21.480
a child. And that has been encouraging for, for

00:25:21.480 --> 00:25:24.900
people who like, there's a few of our listeners

00:25:24.900 --> 00:25:28.720
that are still trying to have a baby. And so

00:25:28.720 --> 00:25:31.940
I think that was just a really memorable moment

00:25:31.940 --> 00:25:35.490
for me of like, I don't think I'd ever really

00:25:35.490 --> 00:25:39.769
had a platform in that sense of getting to share

00:25:39.769 --> 00:25:44.569
our story and have people who are in similar

00:25:44.569 --> 00:25:50.049
seasons of life hear it. I think that was not

00:25:50.049 --> 00:25:52.490
necessarily a fun memory, but just impactful

00:25:52.490 --> 00:25:55.349
and has stuck with me throughout this last year.

00:25:55.869 --> 00:25:59.529
Yeah, that's awesome. Infertility is such a common

00:25:59.529 --> 00:26:02.779
story, which is super unfortunate. So I do think

00:26:02.779 --> 00:26:07.420
it is really cool when you or anyone can share

00:26:07.420 --> 00:26:10.839
that story and people can go, oh, okay, one,

00:26:10.900 --> 00:26:14.140
I'm not alone, but then also there is hope. Yeah,

00:26:14.180 --> 00:26:17.920
yeah, that's so true. Yeah, for us it was like,

00:26:18.039 --> 00:26:21.839
I don't know, we felt so alone in it that it

00:26:21.839 --> 00:26:24.539
is so common. It's like way more common than

00:26:24.539 --> 00:26:26.960
you would even think. And I feel like it's becoming

00:26:26.960 --> 00:26:29.460
more and more common. So, yeah, it's just cool

00:26:29.460 --> 00:26:33.289
to have a... have a place to tell our story and,

00:26:33.289 --> 00:26:36.509
um, and to see, like, see God's grace through

00:26:36.509 --> 00:26:41.750
it. So yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yep. Okay. What,

00:26:41.769 --> 00:26:45.130
um, who other than Stephanie, who has been your

00:26:45.130 --> 00:26:48.269
favorite guest to have? Okay. I'm going to pull

00:26:48.269 --> 00:26:50.509
up our episodes so I can remember who he had

00:26:50.509 --> 00:26:53.349
on. Cruz just woke up. So we'll see how, uh,

00:26:53.450 --> 00:26:57.380
how Michael does to get back down. Yes. All right.

00:26:57.380 --> 00:26:59.279
One of my favorites, which actually you weren't

00:26:59.279 --> 00:27:01.960
here for, and this was honestly just like kind

00:27:01.960 --> 00:27:05.920
of fun for me, was when we had Claudine on. So

00:27:05.920 --> 00:27:09.500
you didn't get to meet her, but she used to be

00:27:09.500 --> 00:27:11.500
my youth group leader. And then it was one of

00:27:11.500 --> 00:27:14.380
those things where I grew up and we stayed in

00:27:14.380 --> 00:27:19.140
contact and we became. friends and she has preteen

00:27:19.140 --> 00:27:22.740
girls or i think one of them just turned 13 um

00:27:22.740 --> 00:27:25.279
and it was just like so encouraging to hear her

00:27:25.279 --> 00:27:29.019
talk and just like have that conversation of

00:27:29.019 --> 00:27:32.099
like okay so you first of all survived this but

00:27:32.099 --> 00:27:35.390
then she was just super real of like the effects

00:27:35.390 --> 00:27:38.930
parenting has on your marriage and you know just

00:27:38.930 --> 00:27:41.650
some stuff like that that I think people don't

00:27:41.650 --> 00:27:44.769
always talk about so I think that was like just

00:27:44.769 --> 00:27:47.329
like a fun conversation for me to have with you

00:27:47.329 --> 00:27:53.109
know someone who who I love and yeah yeah what

00:27:53.109 --> 00:27:56.170
about you super cool okay kind of biased but

00:27:56.170 --> 00:28:00.220
I think having Michael's grandma On was my favorite

00:28:00.220 --> 00:28:03.099
episode. And that was kind of like a last minute,

00:28:03.180 --> 00:28:05.779
like she was in town. So we were like, we decided

00:28:05.779 --> 00:28:09.980
to record last minute with her just to, so she

00:28:09.980 --> 00:28:13.700
actually raised Michael. And so, yeah, it was

00:28:13.700 --> 00:28:17.660
just cool to talk to her about her story of raising

00:28:17.660 --> 00:28:19.799
her own kids and then having to raise her grandkids

00:28:19.799 --> 00:28:23.220
too. And it's just like, like you said, really

00:28:23.220 --> 00:28:28.140
personal touching, like to my life. that I get

00:28:28.140 --> 00:28:30.660
to hear about how my husband was raised. And

00:28:30.660 --> 00:28:33.599
yeah, I think that one definitely sticks out

00:28:33.599 --> 00:28:36.880
to me. And then also, um, recording with Ambry.

00:28:37.180 --> 00:28:40.859
So she came on and talked about, um, so I worked

00:28:40.859 --> 00:28:43.980
with Ambry at Flatirons for a while, probably

00:28:43.980 --> 00:28:46.299
a year and a half or something like that. And

00:28:46.299 --> 00:28:51.019
she, uh, talked all about postpartum and like

00:28:51.019 --> 00:28:55.690
postpartum depression. And I just think she is

00:28:55.690 --> 00:29:00.910
so wise with her words and so eloquent and just

00:29:00.910 --> 00:29:04.710
like so thoughtful and has really thought through

00:29:04.710 --> 00:29:08.190
like her postpartum experience and how she's

00:29:08.190 --> 00:29:11.150
now supporting and helping other moms walk through

00:29:11.150 --> 00:29:14.730
postpartum and how like, you know, all of us

00:29:14.730 --> 00:29:17.869
can help moms who are walking through postpartum

00:29:17.869 --> 00:29:22.019
and what, yeah, how that really can affect. every

00:29:22.019 --> 00:29:24.619
aspect of your life. So I think that one really

00:29:24.619 --> 00:29:27.279
sticks out to me too. Yeah, that was a good one.

00:29:27.339 --> 00:29:30.319
And I think like similar to your story, there's

00:29:30.319 --> 00:29:33.779
like postpartum depression is just so lonely

00:29:33.779 --> 00:29:38.200
because people don't talk about it. And a lot

00:29:38.200 --> 00:29:39.900
of times you just don't even know how to start

00:29:39.900 --> 00:29:43.680
to talk about it. And I think a lot of women,

00:29:43.720 --> 00:29:47.059
and this is part of her story is just like, don't

00:29:47.059 --> 00:29:49.970
even realize like. this is what's happening.

00:29:50.329 --> 00:29:54.710
And so I think with her sharing that gives like

00:29:54.710 --> 00:29:58.789
almost permission to a lot of moms. Um, I hope

00:29:58.789 --> 00:30:03.470
it does to go, Oh, like maybe this isn't normal

00:30:03.470 --> 00:30:06.930
and maybe I do need help. Yeah. Um, which like,

00:30:06.970 --> 00:30:11.710
I hope that is helpful for a lot of moms. What's

00:30:11.710 --> 00:30:13.309
your favorite episode that we recorded? Just

00:30:13.309 --> 00:30:17.849
the two of us. Ooh. Or your favorite one to prepare.

00:30:18.809 --> 00:30:21.369
OK, now I got to go to our episodes. Hold on.

00:30:21.410 --> 00:30:24.849
Yeah. OK, I think the one like this is going

00:30:24.849 --> 00:30:29.250
to sound really bad. I think the one that I just

00:30:29.250 --> 00:30:32.809
felt most like passionate about was the one about

00:30:32.809 --> 00:30:37.470
mom rage. Honestly, like I feel like I I just

00:30:37.470 --> 00:30:41.750
had a lot to say about that. Yeah. And. Yeah,

00:30:41.809 --> 00:30:44.569
I think that like our conversation just really

00:30:44.569 --> 00:30:48.089
flowed really well with that episode, mostly

00:30:48.089 --> 00:30:51.250
because I felt like I like before we recorded,

00:30:51.390 --> 00:30:53.630
I was like, I'm the only one that feels this.

00:30:53.789 --> 00:30:57.930
I don't know. Like, this is just me. And I'm

00:30:57.930 --> 00:31:00.609
going to sound like a crazy person when I talk

00:31:00.609 --> 00:31:01.829
to Erica about this. I'm going to sound like

00:31:01.829 --> 00:31:05.089
a terrible mom because who gets mad that their

00:31:05.089 --> 00:31:08.309
baby won't sleep? Yes. Yeah. And so I think that

00:31:08.309 --> 00:31:11.460
one. like was one of my favorites for us to record.

00:31:11.579 --> 00:31:16.339
And then I also have liked like the, the what's

00:31:16.339 --> 00:31:20.019
saving our lives ones. Those are fun to record

00:31:20.019 --> 00:31:23.519
just because different seasons have different

00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:26.880
items or different things that are like saving

00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:30.299
your life in that, in that time. Yeah. What about

00:31:30.299 --> 00:31:33.819
you? What's been the most fun for. The two of

00:31:33.819 --> 00:31:37.400
us. I do like the What's Saving My Life. I think

00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:40.480
there have been a couple that, like, I don't

00:31:40.480 --> 00:31:42.180
know if anyone likes to listen to them, but they're

00:31:42.180 --> 00:31:46.140
just, like, fun for us to do. Like, we did Why

00:31:46.140 --> 00:31:48.200
My Toddler Cried This Week, and I think that

00:31:48.200 --> 00:31:50.720
was just fun to be, like, explain, like, this

00:31:50.720 --> 00:31:52.980
is what my week looks like. Is my toddler...

00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:55.960
I think I texted you, like, two nights ago. I

00:31:55.960 --> 00:31:58.019
was like, and Lloyd cried, not because we were

00:31:58.019 --> 00:32:00.380
out of Cars pajamas, but because the Cars pajamas

00:32:00.380 --> 00:32:04.079
he wanted to wear were dirty. Yes. We still had

00:32:04.079 --> 00:32:06.660
multiple other pair. It was just the ones that

00:32:06.660 --> 00:32:10.059
he wanted were dirty. Yes. And that just shows,

00:32:10.099 --> 00:32:13.240
like, the reality in, like, kind of a funny way,

00:32:13.400 --> 00:32:16.700
too. Yeah, so I think that one was a funny one.

00:32:18.200 --> 00:32:21.480
Expectations versus reality was also a fun one.

00:32:21.579 --> 00:32:26.920
It was a good one. just uh again it's like funny

00:32:26.920 --> 00:32:31.579
but also like almost how much you've like grown

00:32:31.579 --> 00:32:36.720
as a mom things are different yeah um like i

00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:39.759
never expected my kids to sleep in my bed but

00:32:39.759 --> 00:32:42.319
the reality is that if any of us want to sleep

00:32:42.319 --> 00:32:45.859
here we are all sleeping in the big bed yeah

00:32:45.859 --> 00:32:49.480
oh yeah um what is what was your thoughts on

00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:53.170
like doing the book review I like didn't. So

00:32:53.170 --> 00:32:56.670
I thought it was kind of fun, but I also like

00:32:56.670 --> 00:32:58.450
going into recording that I was like, I don't

00:32:58.450 --> 00:33:00.369
know what we're even going to talk about. Yeah.

00:33:00.569 --> 00:33:03.190
But I think it was good and like covered a lot

00:33:03.190 --> 00:33:06.069
of things that like we maybe wouldn't be able

00:33:06.069 --> 00:33:08.950
to make a full episode on, you know, like lots

00:33:08.950 --> 00:33:11.009
of little stuff that's like, oh, I want to talk

00:33:11.009 --> 00:33:13.230
about this, but you know, we're not going to

00:33:13.230 --> 00:33:16.569
have a full episode on. No, I can't think of

00:33:16.569 --> 00:33:18.250
anything that we talked about in that episode.

00:33:18.369 --> 00:33:21.670
I know. Right. Where it's like, oh. maybe we're

00:33:21.670 --> 00:33:23.190
not gonna have a full episode on screen time

00:33:23.190 --> 00:33:26.190
but like that's like something that we might

00:33:26.190 --> 00:33:28.009
talk about for five minutes and we can include

00:33:28.009 --> 00:33:30.450
then so that was fun we also have another book

00:33:30.450 --> 00:33:32.549
that we talked about maybe reading and reviewing

00:33:32.549 --> 00:33:35.470
so maybe we'll do that yes yes yeah let us know

00:33:35.470 --> 00:33:37.970
what you guys think of that episode well that

00:33:37.970 --> 00:33:41.369
two episodes and see if yeah we should do another

00:33:41.369 --> 00:33:44.269
okay I think one thing we should bring back this

00:33:44.269 --> 00:33:50.180
year is more dad casts Yes. I love that you and

00:33:50.180 --> 00:33:53.359
Stuart have done more of them, like when my kids

00:33:53.359 --> 00:33:57.019
are sick or I can't hop in. You've done a couple

00:33:57.019 --> 00:34:00.059
of them with Stuart. So, of course, we told the

00:34:00.059 --> 00:34:02.779
story of this last, as we're recording this,

00:34:02.940 --> 00:34:06.440
the last episode we released was the one where

00:34:06.440 --> 00:34:09.840
your kids were sick. So Stuart and I just like

00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:12.780
in a day, we're like, okay, what are we? Because

00:34:12.780 --> 00:34:14.360
we couldn't record the night that you and I had

00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:17.510
planned to. Stuart had something to do. So we're

00:34:17.510 --> 00:34:19.289
like, okay, we're going to record the next night.

00:34:19.909 --> 00:34:23.110
And we had a couple that we were like, okay,

00:34:23.170 --> 00:34:26.730
that would actually be really fun with the four

00:34:26.730 --> 00:34:29.090
of us instead of just the two of us. Because

00:34:29.090 --> 00:34:30.909
I think there were a couple that were like, if

00:34:30.909 --> 00:34:32.869
it's just the two of us, that ends up being like

00:34:32.869 --> 00:34:35.789
maybe too serious and like maybe we're going

00:34:35.789 --> 00:34:38.630
to go to bed fighting. But if it's the four of

00:34:38.630 --> 00:34:41.590
us, then it ends up being like a funny thing.

00:34:42.030 --> 00:34:44.829
It's funny if you don't know this about our kids.

00:34:45.820 --> 00:34:49.480
if we all don't know it but if it's just you

00:34:49.480 --> 00:34:52.920
and i then you know you'll hear about this later

00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:57.559
so yeah we had a couple of uh of ideas that we

00:34:57.559 --> 00:35:00.780
came up with for those that we were like oh one

00:35:00.780 --> 00:35:03.280
of them was parenting strengths and weaknesses

00:35:03.280 --> 00:35:06.539
we call each other out um so we're like that

00:35:06.539 --> 00:35:09.619
would be funny with like a group because otherwise

00:35:09.619 --> 00:35:11.519
it's just kind of like well you don't do this

00:35:12.269 --> 00:35:15.710
yes just like a passive aggressive yes we're

00:35:15.710 --> 00:35:17.690
like maybe we don't do that just the two of us

00:35:17.690 --> 00:35:22.889
this is all right right yeah yes yeah yeah those

00:35:22.889 --> 00:35:26.050
that I mean whenever I'm not able to hop on like

00:35:26.050 --> 00:35:28.489
I feel like I'm just like another listener where

00:35:28.489 --> 00:35:30.809
I get to like drive to work and like listen to

00:35:30.809 --> 00:35:34.269
you and Stuart and it's like fun for me but I

00:35:34.269 --> 00:35:37.849
also uh prefer when I'm on the podcast as well

00:35:37.849 --> 00:35:43.019
so sorry sorry Stuart love you but He's just

00:35:43.019 --> 00:35:45.280
a fill -in. He knows that. Yeah, right. Right.

00:35:45.579 --> 00:35:48.639
Okay. What else? Let's see. Oh, my gosh. One

00:35:48.639 --> 00:35:51.860
of the two episodes that really stood out to

00:35:51.860 --> 00:35:54.420
me, too, going back to guests, was when Ellie

00:35:54.420 --> 00:35:58.099
Flowers was on. Yes. And her story just about,

00:35:58.119 --> 00:36:01.579
like, foster care to adoption was one episode

00:36:01.579 --> 00:36:05.420
we did. And then her HBAC, so home birth after

00:36:05.420 --> 00:36:10.219
C -section. um that story too was just i don't

00:36:10.219 --> 00:36:14.239
know her story is just super powerful very complex

00:36:14.239 --> 00:36:18.159
and i mean she's just like has a bajillion kids

00:36:18.159 --> 00:36:22.280
and so it yeah it was just cool to hear her story

00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:26.360
a little bit more in depth um actually someone

00:36:26.360 --> 00:36:28.900
on instagram was saying that she's preparing

00:36:28.900 --> 00:36:32.179
for a v -back And so I, like, did a shameless

00:36:32.179 --> 00:36:34.300
plug and I was like, okay, I've got two episodes

00:36:34.300 --> 00:36:36.139
for you. I've got Laura's episode and I've got

00:36:36.139 --> 00:36:39.400
Ellie's episode. Yes. Because you both had successful

00:36:39.400 --> 00:36:42.360
V -backs and, like, positive stories about them,

00:36:42.380 --> 00:36:43.900
too. You know, because, like, sometimes it's,

00:36:43.920 --> 00:36:46.300
like, not a positive story, which is still, like.

00:36:46.739 --> 00:36:48.519
Yeah. That's just not the episode I'm going to

00:36:48.519 --> 00:36:50.619
send to someone who's preparing for one. For

00:36:50.619 --> 00:36:53.639
sure. Yeah. So, but, yeah, that was super cool

00:36:53.639 --> 00:36:56.690
to be able. I don't know if this. mom even saw

00:36:56.690 --> 00:36:59.769
it, but, uh, I was like, here are like two stories

00:36:59.769 --> 00:37:03.409
of successful VBACs and that, that's super cool

00:37:03.409 --> 00:37:06.389
to be able to share and encourage people with.

00:37:06.789 --> 00:37:09.429
That's cool. Yeah. It would be interesting. I

00:37:09.429 --> 00:37:13.190
wish there was a way to know if like she listened

00:37:13.190 --> 00:37:18.730
or whatever, but yeah, that is cool. Yeah. What

00:37:18.730 --> 00:37:22.210
else has stood out to you this year? So I feel

00:37:22.210 --> 00:37:24.849
like this has kind of been like having a kid.

00:37:25.289 --> 00:37:27.949
In that, like, so we've done this for a year

00:37:27.949 --> 00:37:31.329
now. And when I, like, reach out to people to

00:37:31.329 --> 00:37:34.329
be guests, I'm still like, hey, so I just started

00:37:34.329 --> 00:37:36.230
a podcast. Because it doesn't feel like it's

00:37:36.230 --> 00:37:39.489
been a year. But also it does. You know, where

00:37:39.489 --> 00:37:42.869
it's like, it feels like we're still on our,

00:37:42.909 --> 00:37:46.269
like, third episode. Yes. And just figuring it

00:37:46.269 --> 00:37:49.989
out. But then also, I'm like, have we ever not

00:37:49.989 --> 00:37:53.750
been doing this? I know. like it just kind of

00:37:53.750 --> 00:37:57.409
feels like a little routine for me now like we

00:37:57.409 --> 00:37:59.489
pretty much record I would say like every other

00:37:59.489 --> 00:38:03.329
week it's kind of like the rhythm and it's funny

00:38:03.329 --> 00:38:05.389
because Colt knows now like when I'm like okay

00:38:05.389 --> 00:38:08.309
mommy's gotta go record her podcast and he like

00:38:08.309 --> 00:38:10.829
will grab my headphones that I bring over to

00:38:10.829 --> 00:38:13.389
your house and like hand them to me and say have

00:38:13.389 --> 00:38:16.969
fun at your podcast like it's fun it's funny

00:38:16.969 --> 00:38:20.159
which is also funny because I was thinking, I

00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:22.579
was like, I don't think Lloyd has any idea because

00:38:22.579 --> 00:38:25.920
usually. He's usually napping or sleeping, right?

00:38:26.119 --> 00:38:30.619
Yeah, he's either napping or Stuart just like

00:38:30.619 --> 00:38:33.000
takes him to go to sleep. So that's right. Either

00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:35.739
he's sleeping or he's just like having going

00:38:35.739 --> 00:38:37.159
to the playground with dad or something like

00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:40.659
that. So I think he has zero clue. And someday

00:38:40.659 --> 00:38:43.500
he'll be like, mom, what the heck? You've talked

00:38:43.500 --> 00:38:46.219
about me. I think this will be fun to like. to

00:38:46.219 --> 00:38:49.340
show our kids years from now, like, hey, if you

00:38:49.340 --> 00:38:52.039
want to hear about how you were as a toddler

00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:55.400
or a baby or whatever, you can go back and listen

00:38:55.400 --> 00:38:58.699
to like all these episodes of mommy and her friend

00:38:58.699 --> 00:39:03.920
from 15 years ago talking about motherhood. And

00:39:03.920 --> 00:39:06.880
I just, I think about that sometimes and I'm

00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:09.920
like, what kind of like a great, I don't know.

00:39:10.380 --> 00:39:13.360
almost like a scrapbook for them to look at or

00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:18.559
listen to. Like a journal. Yeah. Yeah. So that's

00:39:18.559 --> 00:39:21.400
fun. But yeah, same thing. It's like, it feels

00:39:21.400 --> 00:39:24.980
like this is like just part of our, I don't know,

00:39:24.980 --> 00:39:27.280
part of a rhythm for me now. Like this feels

00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:29.880
like we've been doing it for forever, but also

00:39:29.880 --> 00:39:33.019
feels like brand new too. Like we're still trying

00:39:33.019 --> 00:39:37.039
to figure it out in a sense, like figure out

00:39:37.039 --> 00:39:39.519
what to talk about, figure out how to not just

00:39:39.519 --> 00:39:41.909
like, talk about the same things over and over

00:39:41.909 --> 00:39:45.150
again yeah and it's not sound like a broken record

00:39:45.150 --> 00:39:48.750
we definitely have weeks where one or both of

00:39:48.750 --> 00:39:50.809
us are like i have this great idea and we're

00:39:50.809 --> 00:39:53.469
the other one's like yes i'm bored and like we

00:39:53.469 --> 00:39:55.250
both like know exactly what to talk about and

00:39:55.250 --> 00:39:57.469
then we have weeks where like so we need to release

00:39:57.469 --> 00:40:01.710
an episode do you have any ideas because i do

00:40:01.710 --> 00:40:07.710
not i don't my mind is blank do we just hit record

00:40:07.710 --> 00:40:11.139
and see where it goes honestly like I mean there's

00:40:11.139 --> 00:40:12.860
been a few times where like let's just do like

00:40:12.860 --> 00:40:17.059
general life updates because that's like the

00:40:17.059 --> 00:40:20.639
reality of where we're at and I think like what's

00:40:20.639 --> 00:40:24.099
so great about like this podcast not to like

00:40:24.099 --> 00:40:26.280
toot our own horns or anything like that but

00:40:26.280 --> 00:40:29.579
like I think this is just like we're being real

00:40:29.579 --> 00:40:32.260
like we're moms just like we're super stressed

00:40:32.260 --> 00:40:37.769
out we're so like overworked overtired And yet

00:40:37.769 --> 00:40:42.010
we're still taking the time to do something for

00:40:42.010 --> 00:40:46.650
ourselves. And this is something for us and for

00:40:46.650 --> 00:40:49.789
other people. But ultimately, I think that this

00:40:49.789 --> 00:40:55.170
is a good outlet for us. And yeah, I think we've

00:40:55.170 --> 00:40:57.570
just been able to be real and vulnerable. And

00:40:57.570 --> 00:41:02.230
the hope is that whoever's listening is encouraged

00:41:02.230 --> 00:41:05.789
in some sense and that they feel like. Oh, Erica

00:41:05.789 --> 00:41:08.710
and Laura are like just as stressed out as me

00:41:08.710 --> 00:41:11.570
or Erica and Laura are more stressed out than

00:41:11.570 --> 00:41:16.210
me or whatever. Yeah. Right. Look at them. They're

00:41:16.210 --> 00:41:19.670
a mess. Look at, I mean, come on, look at us.

00:41:20.550 --> 00:41:25.469
This is unwashed hair for seven days and you

00:41:25.469 --> 00:41:28.510
know, it's just my hair on Saturday. So yes.

00:41:28.670 --> 00:41:31.670
Hey, what, what day is today? Tuesday. That's

00:41:31.670 --> 00:41:36.599
pretty good. I don't know. I don't know I I think

00:41:36.599 --> 00:41:38.619
the ultimate goal yeah is for people to feel

00:41:38.619 --> 00:41:41.659
encouraged by this in some sense and I I feel

00:41:41.659 --> 00:41:44.199
like for the most part I feel like we've been

00:41:44.199 --> 00:41:47.860
able to do that and capture that and um hopefully

00:41:47.860 --> 00:41:50.659
this in this next year we can get even more people

00:41:50.659 --> 00:41:54.840
to feel encouraged and and listen to what we

00:41:54.840 --> 00:41:57.719
have to say even though we know nothing about

00:41:57.719 --> 00:42:01.019
anything so yeah yeah we're just figuring it

00:42:01.019 --> 00:42:04.210
out another thing that I think has stuck out

00:42:04.210 --> 00:42:08.130
to me is just like, we've gotten better at interviews.

00:42:08.309 --> 00:42:10.269
Like, I mean, obviously that's going to come

00:42:10.269 --> 00:42:14.769
with like doing things more, but I think Stuart

00:42:14.769 --> 00:42:17.369
mentioned it to me. Cause again, he is our number

00:42:17.369 --> 00:42:21.190
one listener. He was like, you know, you guys

00:42:21.190 --> 00:42:24.190
make a good team because the way you interview

00:42:24.190 --> 00:42:28.230
people is different. So like the kinds of questions

00:42:28.230 --> 00:42:30.550
Erica asks and the kinds of questions Laura asks

00:42:30.550 --> 00:42:34.590
are different. And so it like makes this like

00:42:34.590 --> 00:42:38.489
really full interview. Yeah. Which I was like,

00:42:38.530 --> 00:42:41.409
oh, that's really cool and really good insight

00:42:41.409 --> 00:42:43.769
because I don't think that's something that I

00:42:43.769 --> 00:42:46.550
would necessarily say. Not that I think he's

00:42:46.550 --> 00:42:48.309
wrong. I just like wouldn't notice that. Wouldn't

00:42:48.309 --> 00:42:52.590
pick up on it. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah. And I think

00:42:52.590 --> 00:42:55.369
we've gotten like really good at kind of like

00:42:55.369 --> 00:42:58.750
bouncing off each other. Yeah. And again, like

00:42:58.750 --> 00:43:01.110
that comes with. getting to know each other better

00:43:01.110 --> 00:43:04.710
and again like i mentioned at the beginning before

00:43:04.710 --> 00:43:06.710
we weren't like super close friends or anything

00:43:06.710 --> 00:43:09.690
like that and a lot of our friendship has literally

00:43:09.690 --> 00:43:13.769
been on mic yeah just because we're both so busy

00:43:13.769 --> 00:43:17.769
that that's when we see each other yes and then

00:43:17.769 --> 00:43:20.130
there's of course late night texts of like how

00:43:20.130 --> 00:43:23.530
did your day go mine was terrible i was like

00:43:23.530 --> 00:43:28.860
i'm up at 3 a .m again yeah yeah yeah here's

00:43:28.860 --> 00:43:33.019
here's a meme on instagram yes that's that's

00:43:33.019 --> 00:43:35.900
a lot of our uh friendship at this point but

00:43:35.900 --> 00:43:38.199
yeah um yeah but that we've just like learned

00:43:38.199 --> 00:43:40.719
to like bounce off each other and again whether

00:43:40.719 --> 00:43:42.559
it's episodes that we're recording just the two

00:43:42.559 --> 00:43:45.719
of us or like trying to continue an interview

00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:49.059
and not have like an awkward pause or whatever

00:43:49.059 --> 00:43:53.000
yeah which is is cool and fun and encouraging

00:43:53.760 --> 00:43:56.380
Yeah. And also shout out to Stuart for editing

00:43:56.380 --> 00:44:00.539
out the awkward pauses that have happened and

00:44:00.539 --> 00:44:03.800
will continue to happen, I'm sure. I think there's

00:44:03.800 --> 00:44:08.099
one that we released like a week or two ago that

00:44:08.099 --> 00:44:10.360
there was just like a solid two minutes where

00:44:10.360 --> 00:44:12.119
I was like, I forgot my train of thought. Hold

00:44:12.119 --> 00:44:18.760
on. Okay. No, that's not what it was. So I think

00:44:18.760 --> 00:44:21.760
he, he made me sound smart in that moment. Just

00:44:21.760 --> 00:44:26.280
like complete brain fart. Thanks Stuart. Yeah.

00:44:26.440 --> 00:44:29.880
Yeah. I, I don't know. I feel like I feel so

00:44:29.880 --> 00:44:34.460
grateful and encouraged by this podcast and just

00:44:34.460 --> 00:44:37.440
like the confidence I think that it's brought

00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:42.780
me in just in motherhood and also like my ability

00:44:42.780 --> 00:44:46.679
to communicate. my thoughts or just what's going

00:44:46.679 --> 00:44:50.099
on I feel like I've never really had a place

00:44:50.099 --> 00:44:55.059
obviously like this to to talk about my I don't

00:44:55.059 --> 00:44:57.739
know what I know or don't know or what I'm learning

00:44:57.739 --> 00:45:02.639
and I feel like encouraged by that that and just

00:45:02.639 --> 00:45:05.500
yeah super grateful super grateful for you just

00:45:05.500 --> 00:45:09.139
being my co -host and also like for thinking

00:45:09.139 --> 00:45:12.989
about this over a year ago and and like walking

00:45:12.989 --> 00:45:15.769
through the door of like stepping out in faith

00:45:15.769 --> 00:45:19.190
and and just going for it and and yeah just for

00:45:19.190 --> 00:45:22.010
asking me I'm just super grateful for it and

00:45:22.010 --> 00:45:25.829
it has been like my biggest hobby I guess for

00:45:25.829 --> 00:45:30.849
this last year and just a super fun like um place

00:45:30.849 --> 00:45:33.269
and opportunity that I would have never ever

00:45:33.269 --> 00:45:37.590
done on my own so yeah thanks to you yeah well

00:45:37.590 --> 00:45:40.260
thank you for saying yes and not just like Laughing

00:45:40.260 --> 00:45:42.920
in my face or leaving me on read. Oh my gosh.

00:45:43.760 --> 00:45:46.199
That would be, yeah, that would be terrible.

00:45:46.280 --> 00:45:48.780
I have left people on read before, but not you.

00:45:49.460 --> 00:45:54.019
Thanks. It's been super, I don't know. It's just

00:45:54.019 --> 00:45:57.159
been super fun. And I don't know, I sound like

00:45:57.159 --> 00:45:59.519
a broken record, but just super grateful for

00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:02.599
all the different conversations we've had, like

00:46:02.599 --> 00:46:05.079
hearing different people's stories. And I hope

00:46:05.079 --> 00:46:07.059
that this next year brings a lot more people's

00:46:07.059 --> 00:46:10.119
stories. just a lot more of us figuring out like

00:46:10.119 --> 00:46:13.019
how to make this thing work and how to uh make

00:46:13.019 --> 00:46:16.400
motherhood work and or not work but yeah you

00:46:16.400 --> 00:46:19.320
know this is called no manual yeah we don't know

00:46:19.320 --> 00:46:23.199
what we're doing we do not yeah yeah I mean I'm

00:46:23.199 --> 00:46:28.079
really excited for this year and I hope we have

00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:31.480
some cool stuff coming up we I know we have one

00:46:31.480 --> 00:46:33.659
episode that we've been like trying to make happen

00:46:33.659 --> 00:46:36.099
for like three or four months a long time yeah

00:46:36.989 --> 00:46:40.590
but it's just there's a lot of pieces to it yeah

00:46:40.590 --> 00:46:42.989
there's a lot of pieces to it and then we were

00:46:42.989 --> 00:46:45.530
like we're gonna record in November and then

00:46:45.530 --> 00:46:48.309
it was halfway through November and you had some

00:46:48.309 --> 00:46:50.269
stuff come up and I was like this isn't gonna

00:46:50.269 --> 00:46:52.610
happen and then it's holiday so we're like we're

00:46:52.610 --> 00:46:54.210
for sure not gonna make this happen in December

00:46:54.210 --> 00:46:56.769
so you know maybe in January we'll find time

00:46:56.769 --> 00:47:00.570
to honestly we'll make it happen at some point

00:47:00.570 --> 00:47:02.730
but yeah so I know like we have a couple of ideas

00:47:02.730 --> 00:47:06.800
that we're excited for yes and then yeah i'm

00:47:06.800 --> 00:47:10.880
excited to see who we can get on yeah yeah if

00:47:10.880 --> 00:47:12.739
you're a listener and you're like interested

00:47:12.739 --> 00:47:15.619
in coming on to our podcast now that hopefully

00:47:15.619 --> 00:47:18.000
we're figuring out this zoom thing like even

00:47:18.000 --> 00:47:20.579
if you live in a different state it would be

00:47:20.579 --> 00:47:23.920
cool to yeah get some other people out of state

00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:27.659
on here and also just be prepared like to record

00:47:27.659 --> 00:47:30.800
at like 10 o 'clock at night just because that's

00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:35.019
just what we have to do Yeah. During nap times,

00:47:35.079 --> 00:47:39.260
something like that. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Do you

00:47:39.260 --> 00:47:42.099
have anything like that you hope for specifically

00:47:42.099 --> 00:47:44.900
for this upcoming year? Like an episode that

00:47:44.900 --> 00:47:47.679
we do or just like something that happens? I

00:47:47.679 --> 00:47:51.000
don't know. Uh, I don't know if there's a specific,

00:47:51.099 --> 00:47:53.940
specific thing I'd love. I actually would love

00:47:53.940 --> 00:47:58.280
to have my mom on the podcast and she is a listener

00:47:58.280 --> 00:48:02.239
of ours, but she, um, So she has dealt with chronic

00:48:02.239 --> 00:48:06.380
illness and I just think she's the strongest

00:48:06.380 --> 00:48:08.960
person that I know. And I think that people would

00:48:08.960 --> 00:48:12.639
be encouraged by her story. And so I hope that

00:48:12.639 --> 00:48:16.039
I can make it work for, or make it work for us

00:48:16.039 --> 00:48:18.860
to have her on the podcast this upcoming year.

00:48:19.159 --> 00:48:22.699
Yeah. How about you? Well, I know at one point

00:48:22.699 --> 00:48:24.320
we talked about having your mom on, but it was

00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:26.820
just, again, like a timing thing, which is like

00:48:26.820 --> 00:48:28.420
one of the things that sucks is a lot of times

00:48:28.420 --> 00:48:31.570
it's like, We have 30 seconds this week that

00:48:31.570 --> 00:48:35.329
works for both of us. And so, you know, sometimes,

00:48:35.550 --> 00:48:37.630
especially when it's like an out -of -town guest.

00:48:38.449 --> 00:48:41.670
Yeah, it's too hard. I don't know. I mean, I

00:48:41.670 --> 00:48:43.690
think there's like a few topics that I would

00:48:43.690 --> 00:48:48.230
love to be able to, that like I personally can't

00:48:48.230 --> 00:48:52.210
speak to. But I know if we had a mom who's willing

00:48:52.210 --> 00:48:54.670
to speak to them, it would be so encouraging

00:48:54.670 --> 00:49:00.239
for others. honestly, some of the ideas I have

00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:02.940
are more sensitive topics. So I'm like, I get

00:49:02.940 --> 00:49:07.039
it if you're going to say no. So yeah, I guess

00:49:07.039 --> 00:49:11.420
that's kind of my hope is that we can get more

00:49:11.420 --> 00:49:17.940
moms on that feel called, I guess, to share maybe

00:49:17.940 --> 00:49:21.420
their harder story. Because again, with things

00:49:21.420 --> 00:49:25.119
like infertility or postpartum depression, those

00:49:25.119 --> 00:49:29.199
are a lot of these quote -unquote taboo subjects

00:49:29.199 --> 00:49:32.300
that just like aren't talked about are the ones

00:49:32.300 --> 00:49:34.219
that kind of need to be talked about the most

00:49:34.219 --> 00:49:40.019
um just to you know again maybe not even bring

00:49:40.019 --> 00:49:42.860
comfort just to be like okay it's not just me

00:49:42.860 --> 00:49:45.659
yeah so I think that's kind of one of my hopes

00:49:45.659 --> 00:49:50.139
yeah we'll see yeah yeah I love that Yeah. I

00:49:50.139 --> 00:49:52.079
do think like, like Stephanie Kane's episode,

00:49:52.159 --> 00:49:54.400
I think you said was one of our highest listened

00:49:54.400 --> 00:49:57.880
to episodes and her story is. Ambrys was another

00:49:57.880 --> 00:50:01.019
one too. Ambrys too. Yeah. And so I think those

00:50:01.019 --> 00:50:04.099
topics, like moms are yearning for those topics

00:50:04.099 --> 00:50:07.639
and like want to hear about them, but it's, it

00:50:07.639 --> 00:50:12.079
is hard to talk about like, yeah. So yeah, I

00:50:12.079 --> 00:50:14.000
think that would be really good for us to, to

00:50:14.000 --> 00:50:16.320
kind of go down that Avenue a little bit more.

00:50:16.840 --> 00:50:20.219
Yeah. So. I think if you're listening to this,

00:50:20.239 --> 00:50:23.219
like, please reach out to us. Let us know. We'd

00:50:23.219 --> 00:50:26.860
love to hear your story. We'd love to hear, yeah,

00:50:26.940 --> 00:50:29.739
your journey in motherhood and would love to

00:50:29.739 --> 00:50:33.320
potentially have you on the podcast. So, yeah,

00:50:33.360 --> 00:50:36.340
reach out on Instagram. But, like, if you think

00:50:36.340 --> 00:50:37.980
no one wants to hear your story, I don't think

00:50:37.980 --> 00:50:40.340
that's true. If you're like, I have a, like,

00:50:40.340 --> 00:50:44.050
boring story. Some of the story is boring. Yeah.

00:50:44.190 --> 00:50:46.230
We all think our own story is boring and then

00:50:46.230 --> 00:50:48.550
we start to tell it and other people like that's

00:50:48.550 --> 00:50:53.730
not true. But also like that's relatable. So

00:50:53.730 --> 00:50:56.070
yeah. So even if you think no one wants to hear,

00:50:56.190 --> 00:50:59.170
but you feel inclined, like you want to share,

00:50:59.309 --> 00:51:02.130
please reach out to us. We would love to have

00:51:02.130 --> 00:51:06.050
you on. Yes, please. Okay. Well, you know, it's

00:51:06.050 --> 00:51:09.869
been a great one year of this podcast. Can't

00:51:09.869 --> 00:51:12.230
believe. Yeah. I can't believe we made it a year.

00:51:13.319 --> 00:51:15.480
And can't wait to see what happens in another

00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:19.260
year. Yeah, me too. Yeah. Do you want to share

00:51:19.260 --> 00:51:22.219
your mom win of the week? I would love to. So,

00:51:22.219 --> 00:51:25.659
oh my gosh, yes. Okay, this was this last Sunday.

00:51:25.880 --> 00:51:28.920
So on Sundays, now for church, Michael has to

00:51:28.920 --> 00:51:32.280
leave before me because he, so he has, he's the

00:51:32.280 --> 00:51:36.639
middle school director. And they now have a middle

00:51:36.639 --> 00:51:39.320
school group at the 9am service. And so he has

00:51:39.320 --> 00:51:43.349
to leave at like 7, 7 .15. on Sundays in order

00:51:43.349 --> 00:51:45.889
to get to church to set all that up. All that

00:51:45.889 --> 00:51:48.610
to say, I'm getting the kids ready for church

00:51:48.610 --> 00:51:52.590
on my own, which is fine. I do that a lot of

00:51:52.590 --> 00:51:54.309
the times where I'm like getting them ready to

00:51:54.309 --> 00:51:56.570
go somewhere on my own. Of course, Sunday morning,

00:51:56.590 --> 00:51:59.409
I swear Saturday nights are usually the hardest

00:51:59.409 --> 00:52:02.530
night's sleep for my kids. I don't know why that

00:52:02.530 --> 00:52:04.590
is. I don't know if it's like overstimulation

00:52:04.590 --> 00:52:07.610
from the weekend. Exactly. They know we have

00:52:07.610 --> 00:52:10.690
to go somewhere. And so This last Sunday morning

00:52:10.690 --> 00:52:12.969
was just like, I was so frustrated. I was so

00:52:12.969 --> 00:52:16.289
sleep deprived. I just was getting so mad and

00:52:16.289 --> 00:52:20.110
Colt was like not putting his shoes on. And so

00:52:20.110 --> 00:52:22.650
he like ran upstairs. I ended up having to like

00:52:22.650 --> 00:52:24.809
force his shoes on and force him in the car,

00:52:24.869 --> 00:52:27.289
which like, I do not love to do that at all.

00:52:27.309 --> 00:52:29.750
But like, you know, we're on a time crunch. Like

00:52:29.750 --> 00:52:32.050
I work at the church too. So I have to get there

00:52:32.050 --> 00:52:35.070
before nine. as well because I'm an employee

00:52:35.070 --> 00:52:38.050
and I need to be there when church starts. Yeah.

00:52:39.050 --> 00:52:42.449
For my job. And so it just was a situation where

00:52:42.449 --> 00:52:44.690
I was like, okay, we like, sorry, buddy, we got

00:52:44.690 --> 00:52:46.849
to go. And I just was getting really frustrated.

00:52:46.949 --> 00:52:49.730
I could tell he was super frustrated. And so

00:52:49.730 --> 00:52:51.469
on the way to church, I was like, I just need

00:52:51.469 --> 00:52:53.610
to listen to some worship music. And so I turned

00:52:53.610 --> 00:52:57.150
on, he really loves the song. What a God by SEU

00:52:57.150 --> 00:53:00.090
worship. And he like, he's sitting in his car

00:53:00.090 --> 00:53:02.130
seat. I could see him like on the camera and

00:53:02.130 --> 00:53:05.860
he's like, mom turn it up turn it up and so like

00:53:05.860 --> 00:53:08.900
turned up the music and then he like a few minutes

00:53:08.900 --> 00:53:11.719
later he yells again mom turn it down turn it

00:53:11.719 --> 00:53:14.199
and so I turned it down and he goes mommy I love

00:53:14.199 --> 00:53:17.699
you I was like I literally started to cry I was

00:53:17.699 --> 00:53:22.519
like after the morning we just had I cannot believe

00:53:22.519 --> 00:53:25.500
like my child just said that to me and just gave

00:53:25.500 --> 00:53:28.440
me so much grace and I just like was like crying

00:53:28.440 --> 00:53:30.159
in the car I was like I need to pull it together

00:53:30.159 --> 00:53:33.570
about to go into work but it just was like so

00:53:33.570 --> 00:53:37.230
sweet. And I was like, he just like sees, he

00:53:37.230 --> 00:53:40.650
like forgets all that and just sees past that.

00:53:40.750 --> 00:53:43.489
And I just like totally felt the Lord in that

00:53:43.489 --> 00:53:47.769
situation. And also was just felt so loved by

00:53:47.769 --> 00:53:50.130
my child, even though I felt like I was so mad

00:53:50.130 --> 00:53:53.070
at myself and that, yeah, that was just really

00:53:53.070 --> 00:53:57.639
sweet. Yeah. So sweet. Yeah. Yeah, and also I

00:53:57.639 --> 00:53:59.340
think just, like, a reminder of how many times

00:53:59.340 --> 00:54:02.079
we're like, I'm the world's worst mom, and, like,

00:54:02.559 --> 00:54:04.559
our kids are probably frustrated with us in the

00:54:04.559 --> 00:54:07.599
moment sometimes, but, like, they still want

00:54:07.599 --> 00:54:11.280
us to be their mom. Yeah. Yeah, that's so sweet.

00:54:11.519 --> 00:54:14.360
So sweet. Okay, what was your win? Mine's not

00:54:14.360 --> 00:54:17.440
as sweet, but Zeta started clapping this week,

00:54:17.559 --> 00:54:21.559
which is just so cute. I love it. And she just

00:54:21.559 --> 00:54:24.199
claps randomly, and then we encourage her, and

00:54:24.199 --> 00:54:25.920
she, of course, stops clapping whenever we encourage

00:54:25.920 --> 00:54:29.639
her, but she just, like, I don't know. Like,

00:54:29.639 --> 00:54:31.739
Lloyd didn't start clapping this young. I don't

00:54:31.739 --> 00:54:35.199
even remember when he started clapping, but there's

00:54:35.199 --> 00:54:37.159
something about her just being so little that

00:54:37.159 --> 00:54:40.920
it's so cute, and I love it so much. Oh, my gosh.

00:54:40.960 --> 00:54:44.440
Okay, so, tangent. Cruz also started clapping

00:54:44.440 --> 00:54:48.659
this week, but he likes to clap in the middle

00:54:48.659 --> 00:54:52.119
of the night. And so he, yeah. So he'll like

00:54:52.119 --> 00:54:54.159
sit up in bed and I'll just wake up to him and

00:54:54.159 --> 00:54:55.840
he's just sitting there and just like practicing

00:54:55.840 --> 00:54:58.300
his clapping. And I'm like, this is so cute,

00:54:58.360 --> 00:55:01.199
buddy, but not at two in the morning. Maybe at

00:55:01.199 --> 00:55:06.300
2 PM instead of 2 AM. Yes. And also started wavings

00:55:06.300 --> 00:55:09.280
and he like, will like look at his hand and he's

00:55:09.280 --> 00:55:14.079
just like, trying to figure it out. And it's,

00:55:14.079 --> 00:55:16.539
but I feel you. It's so cute when they're so

00:55:16.539 --> 00:55:19.139
little. Yeah. I don't know why it's so cute,

00:55:19.219 --> 00:55:23.670
but. It just is. And they can't quite like clap

00:55:23.670 --> 00:55:27.170
exactly. Like their, their hands are a little

00:55:27.170 --> 00:55:31.150
bit off and yeah, that's so cute. And Zeta is

00:55:31.150 --> 00:55:33.530
such a cute little peanut. That is just adorable.

00:55:33.929 --> 00:55:38.130
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, yeah, guys, thanks for

00:55:38.130 --> 00:55:41.809
listening. Hopefully you have been listening

00:55:41.809 --> 00:55:44.989
since the beginning. If not, like go back, listen

00:55:44.989 --> 00:55:49.059
to episodes. Find something that resonates with

00:55:49.059 --> 00:55:51.780
you. Like, I feel like we've hit a lot of different

00:55:51.780 --> 00:55:54.599
topics in motherhood. So, yeah, we'd love to

00:55:54.599 --> 00:55:56.639
hear what you want to hear about this next year

00:55:56.639 --> 00:55:59.019
and hope you feel encouraged by this podcast.

00:55:59.099 --> 00:56:02.019
And I know we feel encouraged. So hopefully you

00:56:02.019 --> 00:56:05.000
do, too. Yeah. Thanks for listening. And we'll

00:56:05.000 --> 00:56:08.820
see you next week. See you next week. Well, that's

00:56:08.820 --> 00:56:11.400
enough oversharing for today. If you enjoyed

00:56:11.400 --> 00:56:13.500
hanging out with us, hit subscribe so you don't

00:56:13.500 --> 00:56:16.480
miss the next round of chaos. And if you're listening

00:56:16.480 --> 00:56:18.179
while hiding in the bathroom from your kids,

00:56:18.340 --> 00:56:20.880
no judgment, we see you. Thanks for joining us

00:56:20.880 --> 00:56:24.360
on No Manual Momcast, where motherhood is messy.

00:56:24.800 --> 00:56:26.739
At least we can laugh about it together.