WEBVTT 00:00:24.079 --> 00:00:27.559 You're listening to Health Lifelines, a podcast 00:00:27.559 --> 00:00:30.519 brought to you by the Lifeguard approach, your 00:00:30.519 --> 00:00:34.140 trusted source for insights, solutions, and training 00:00:34.140 --> 00:00:36.780 that empower you to become a lifeguard for your 00:00:36.780 --> 00:00:39.840 patient's health and wellbeing. Good day, friends, 00:00:39.939 --> 00:00:42.859 and welcome to the Health Lifelines podcast. 00:00:43.399 --> 00:00:45.979 Today, I'm gonna be speaking with and having 00:00:45.979 --> 00:00:50.140 a great conversation with Dr. Julia. And so let's 00:00:50.140 --> 00:00:53.840 jump right in. Welcome, Dr. Julia. Thank you. 00:00:53.880 --> 00:00:56.420 It's exciting to be here to chat with you, Chris. 00:00:57.140 --> 00:01:02.640 Absolutely. To begin with, give our listeners 00:01:02.640 --> 00:01:07.260 a brief synopsis of where you've been as far 00:01:07.260 --> 00:01:11.260 as your thinking and your education and how that 00:01:11.260 --> 00:01:15.409 impacted your approach to patients. Absolutely. 00:01:15.849 --> 00:01:19.769 So I graduated from dental school. I am a dentist 00:01:19.769 --> 00:01:23.590 and I went through a few years in a traditional 00:01:23.590 --> 00:01:28.349 dental practice before I incidentally stumbled 00:01:28.349 --> 00:01:31.609 down the first rabbit hole of biological dentistry. 00:01:32.450 --> 00:01:36.590 So finding my way really on accident it was it 00:01:36.590 --> 00:01:41.700 was a fated meeting that I found an office that 00:01:41.700 --> 00:01:45.400 was hiring, they advertised as holistic. And 00:01:45.400 --> 00:01:47.980 I thought, I don't know about that, but I'm gonna 00:01:47.980 --> 00:01:51.219 go find out what they're all about. And that 00:01:51.219 --> 00:01:55.140 was my first really discovery into thinking about 00:01:55.140 --> 00:01:59.920 dentistry differently. And - Well, that's very 00:01:59.920 --> 00:02:05.329 interesting to me because from what I - understand 00:02:05.329 --> 00:02:09.389 and know of human nature, change isn't something 00:02:09.389 --> 00:02:15.669 that we necessarily willingly jump into. So what 00:02:15.669 --> 00:02:20.270 was it about what you heard or saw or a conversation 00:02:20.270 --> 00:02:26.310 you had that literally what I call reduced your 00:02:26.310 --> 00:02:30.389 threshold of concern? in order that you decided 00:02:30.389 --> 00:02:32.990 I need to take some personal action in this. 00:02:33.569 --> 00:02:36.629 So get down to your nitty -gritty of what must 00:02:36.629 --> 00:02:41.629 change. Yeah. So to be honest, I don't think 00:02:41.629 --> 00:02:44.509 I knew what I was signing up for when I first 00:02:44.509 --> 00:02:47.629 discovered biological dentistry. So now just 00:02:47.629 --> 00:02:50.590 to quickly round out the picture of the journey 00:02:50.590 --> 00:02:52.490 I've stumbled through, and then I'll explain 00:02:52.490 --> 00:02:57.349 more into that pivot. But going into first, biological 00:02:57.349 --> 00:03:00.389 dentistry where I began to take more consideration 00:03:00.389 --> 00:03:04.090 into dental materials and inflammation in the 00:03:04.090 --> 00:03:06.870 body as a whole and really making sure that the 00:03:06.870 --> 00:03:09.490 mouth connects with the rest of our body as we 00:03:09.490 --> 00:03:13.990 know is very important. But then I really fell 00:03:13.990 --> 00:03:16.590 into a network. I was practicing in Chicago, 00:03:17.189 --> 00:03:20.469 a network with an incredible group of providers 00:03:20.469 --> 00:03:25.699 that were offering airway dentistry. And so my 00:03:25.699 --> 00:03:28.199 second tumble down the rabbit hole was to discover 00:03:28.199 --> 00:03:31.939 airway dentistry. And then the reality of where 00:03:31.939 --> 00:03:35.580 I've sort of landed now is I've created my own 00:03:35.580 --> 00:03:40.719 business, Oris Wellness, that is geared all around 00:03:40.719 --> 00:03:44.060 providing education and support for parents as 00:03:44.060 --> 00:03:47.120 they try to navigate this airway dentistry space. 00:03:48.000 --> 00:03:54.710 So. A lot of my own journey, I'm always so impressed 00:03:54.710 --> 00:03:57.289 by the parents that I meet and the amount of 00:03:57.289 --> 00:04:00.870 education that they've had to take on themselves 00:04:00.870 --> 00:04:04.710 in order to advocate for their own children. 00:04:05.409 --> 00:04:08.949 And I've always been interested in my favorite 00:04:08.949 --> 00:04:12.389 part of dentistry was educating the parents on 00:04:12.389 --> 00:04:16.420 things that I saw that maybe... I wasn't necessarily 00:04:16.420 --> 00:04:18.879 the right provider for offering that service. 00:04:18.899 --> 00:04:22.120 I always joked that I could refer you to this 00:04:22.120 --> 00:04:25.300 person or that person. I became an excellent 00:04:25.300 --> 00:04:28.600 referral source to other providers. But I think 00:04:28.600 --> 00:04:33.660 that that's important too, because we sometimes 00:04:33.660 --> 00:04:37.480 just need to be able to direct these families 00:04:37.480 --> 00:04:41.060 to get patients, or of all ages really, to get 00:04:41.060 --> 00:04:44.209 the care that they need. that begins with the 00:04:44.209 --> 00:04:47.449 education piece and making sure that they understand 00:04:47.449 --> 00:04:51.250 that what they may need may be beyond the traditional 00:04:51.250 --> 00:04:54.589 scope of what they've been offered in the dental 00:04:54.589 --> 00:04:58.949 practices that they've come across before. You're 00:04:58.949 --> 00:05:07.029 so right. And I posted a social media post recently 00:05:07.029 --> 00:05:14.149 that said I tried to continue to be a traditional 00:05:14.149 --> 00:05:18.129 hygienist, but there were too many other options. 00:05:18.230 --> 00:05:23.370 And I think that especially now with the science 00:05:23.370 --> 00:05:27.470 that we have, we need to be thinking and looking 00:05:27.470 --> 00:05:30.529 at patient health very, very differently, very 00:05:30.529 --> 00:05:33.889 differently. And the biggest thing that I think 00:05:33.889 --> 00:05:36.870 from my perspective as a hygienist is we've got 00:05:36.870 --> 00:05:40.560 to start asking new and better questions. that 00:05:40.560 --> 00:05:46.100 aren't the old, tired, worn pedantic questions 00:05:46.100 --> 00:05:51.360 that we've been asking for decades. So tell me 00:05:51.360 --> 00:05:57.240 a little bit about how your conversation with 00:05:57.240 --> 00:06:00.699 parents has changed since you started in dentistry. 00:06:01.120 --> 00:06:04.600 Sounds like you've made a shift. Absolutely, 00:06:04.660 --> 00:06:09.300 and I think even You're absolutely correct. It's 00:06:09.300 --> 00:06:12.259 been an evolution that still happens because 00:06:12.259 --> 00:06:15.399 every parent that I talk to, I learn something 00:06:15.399 --> 00:06:19.959 new from each individual situation. And that's 00:06:19.959 --> 00:06:23.399 where I'll start is just really, when I first 00:06:23.399 --> 00:06:25.959 sort of pivoted into a more holistic mindset 00:06:25.959 --> 00:06:30.360 about things, it was making me more aware of 00:06:30.360 --> 00:06:34.019 seeing that patient as an individual and coming 00:06:34.019 --> 00:06:37.750 to understand that I can tell you who I think 00:06:37.750 --> 00:06:41.730 is the best person for this or that, but at the 00:06:41.730 --> 00:06:45.490 end of the day, I've really learned that I have 00:06:45.490 --> 00:06:48.029 to figure out what's best for each individual 00:06:48.029 --> 00:06:51.350 family and make a recommendation based on what 00:06:51.350 --> 00:06:54.629 that set of circumstances is, what their preferences 00:06:54.629 --> 00:06:58.529 are, and really making sure that we're taking 00:06:58.529 --> 00:07:02.759 the most customized approach possible. I love 00:07:02.759 --> 00:07:05.560 that and you're truly, truly putting the patient 00:07:05.560 --> 00:07:11.579 first. Everything that we do and that is where 00:07:11.579 --> 00:07:16.519 our focus needs to be placed. For those that 00:07:16.519 --> 00:07:22.879 don't understand and for some lay people and 00:07:22.879 --> 00:07:26.120 parents that might be listening to this, could 00:07:26.120 --> 00:07:28.839 you explain the difference between biological 00:07:28.839 --> 00:07:32.019 and holistic so that they understand that when 00:07:32.019 --> 00:07:36.139 they're possibly looking? Absolutely. So I think 00:07:36.139 --> 00:07:39.680 holistic is more of an umbrella term that applies 00:07:39.680 --> 00:07:44.000 to, again, just seeing the body as a whole and 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:48.829 really making sure that we are addressing the 00:07:48.829 --> 00:07:53.430 issues or symptoms as the person's entire health 00:07:53.430 --> 00:07:56.930 system. So when I say body, of course, I don't 00:07:56.930 --> 00:07:59.529 just mean your physical body, your mental health 00:07:59.529 --> 00:08:02.389 is a part of that as well, your nervous system, 00:08:02.649 --> 00:08:05.050 all of it, tying all of it together and just 00:08:05.050 --> 00:08:09.290 seeing things from a broader lens. Whereas biological 00:08:09.290 --> 00:08:12.750 dentistry tends to be a little bit more specific 00:08:12.750 --> 00:08:19.259 into, I suppose really the sort of the biochemistry 00:08:19.259 --> 00:08:24.540 of the body and looking at you know signs of 00:08:24.540 --> 00:08:28.300 is this certain dental material that we're using 00:08:28.300 --> 00:08:31.439 going to be the right material for you? Are we 00:08:31.439 --> 00:08:35.019 able to address inflammation in different ways? 00:08:35.320 --> 00:08:37.620 It sounds like a lot of what you've done sort 00:08:37.620 --> 00:08:41.169 of with tackling the biofilm for your patients 00:08:41.169 --> 00:08:44.950 and and and kind of changing the way that you 00:08:44.950 --> 00:08:48.470 get patients to a state of health by really you're 00:08:48.470 --> 00:08:51.590 not just cleaning the the calculus off of teeth 00:08:51.590 --> 00:08:54.509 you're really trying to take that approach from 00:08:54.509 --> 00:08:58.129 the inside out and make those changes that are 00:08:58.129 --> 00:09:02.129 going to make them healthier so in in those regards 00:09:02.429 --> 00:09:05.429 holistic is kind of a more broad term and it 00:09:05.429 --> 00:09:08.509 can apply. I always say that sort of airway dentistry 00:09:08.509 --> 00:09:11.370 and breathing is holistic, but it's not always 00:09:11.370 --> 00:09:15.789 the same as biologic in that way. Biologic tends 00:09:15.789 --> 00:09:18.750 to be a little more focused on the materials. 00:09:18.870 --> 00:09:22.029 You can have providers that look at both, certainly, 00:09:22.590 --> 00:09:25.529 but it's not always the case that somebody is 00:09:25.529 --> 00:09:28.929 looking at both of those. Thank you for doing 00:09:28.929 --> 00:09:31.110 that. I'm sure that'll bring some clarity to 00:09:31.110 --> 00:09:36.570 a lot of people. So what do you feel is, what's 00:09:36.570 --> 00:09:38.990 your biggest challenge? What are you seeing the 00:09:38.990 --> 00:09:44.750 most both in, you treat adults too, right? So 00:09:44.750 --> 00:09:48.649 I've really pivoted. I was treating all ages 00:09:48.649 --> 00:09:52.429 in Chicago where I was practicing. Right now 00:09:52.429 --> 00:09:55.029 I've really pivoted into the consulting space 00:09:55.029 --> 00:09:59.279 strictly for families and parents in order to 00:09:59.279 --> 00:10:01.700 help them find the treatments for their children. 00:10:01.759 --> 00:10:04.519 So I'm not practicing chair -side dentistry at 00:10:04.519 --> 00:10:07.659 the exact moment in time. I'm really focused 00:10:07.659 --> 00:10:11.220 on meeting parents and giving them this education 00:10:11.220 --> 00:10:15.840 virtually so that they can answer their questions 00:10:15.840 --> 00:10:19.620 and get clarity on the different types of treatments, 00:10:19.700 --> 00:10:22.179 the different kinds of providers that might help 00:10:22.179 --> 00:10:25.299 them. And then even in some cases, helping them 00:10:25.299 --> 00:10:28.600 locate those providers that can round out their 00:10:28.600 --> 00:10:31.799 care team that have similar philosophies to look 00:10:31.799 --> 00:10:34.559 at things from a more holistic approach. And 00:10:34.559 --> 00:10:37.720 that's not always what all parents want. So that's 00:10:37.720 --> 00:10:39.879 the other side of it is I might think that that 00:10:39.879 --> 00:10:42.980 approach is better, but I have had clients who 00:10:42.980 --> 00:10:47.580 are more focused on traditional approaches. They 00:10:47.580 --> 00:10:51.980 work in hospital systems and they prefer to get 00:10:51.980 --> 00:10:57.370 straight to more direct. And that's where, again, 00:10:57.490 --> 00:11:01.250 I have to learn to listen to. I can educate the 00:11:01.250 --> 00:11:04.830 parent on these are the wide variety of options 00:11:04.830 --> 00:11:07.809 that we have. But at the end of the day, if a 00:11:07.809 --> 00:11:11.389 parent wants a surgical approach, if they want 00:11:11.389 --> 00:11:14.389 to start with getting adenoids and tonsils taken 00:11:14.389 --> 00:11:17.429 out rather than trying expanders first or something 00:11:17.429 --> 00:11:20.610 to that effect, that decision lies with a parent. 00:11:20.629 --> 00:11:24.169 And I think that, you know, making sure that 00:11:24.169 --> 00:11:26.700 they have the right information to make the best 00:11:26.700 --> 00:11:31.759 decision for what their child needs. So I guess 00:11:31.759 --> 00:11:35.440 that was an explanation of what I'm doing. But 00:11:35.440 --> 00:11:37.639 my biggest challenge with that, just to circle 00:11:37.639 --> 00:11:42.519 back to where you had started, is probably just 00:11:42.519 --> 00:11:48.679 letting more families know that there are options. 00:11:48.799 --> 00:11:52.419 I think a lot of the parents I talk to get stuck 00:11:52.419 --> 00:11:58.000 because they've either hit a place of overwhelm 00:11:58.000 --> 00:12:01.840 of You know, they're not getting consistent answers 00:12:01.840 --> 00:12:04.179 and that feels overwhelming and that can make 00:12:04.179 --> 00:12:07.840 them sort of freeze and shut down so on the one 00:12:07.840 --> 00:12:14.590 hand knowing that this variety of treatment proposals 00:12:14.590 --> 00:12:16.809 they've received, that's normal. There are a 00:12:16.809 --> 00:12:19.289 lot of different options of how things can be 00:12:19.289 --> 00:12:22.009 addressed, and we just have to find what feels 00:12:22.009 --> 00:12:25.710 aligned for each individual. But on the other 00:12:25.710 --> 00:12:30.450 hand, sometimes the indecision or the inaction 00:12:30.450 --> 00:12:35.470 that parents are falling into is because they've 00:12:35.470 --> 00:12:38.590 gone to see their local provider that supposedly 00:12:38.590 --> 00:12:43.389 is the one that provides this more airway focused 00:12:43.389 --> 00:12:48.309 treatment. But maybe, you know, maybe starting 00:12:48.309 --> 00:12:51.149 with myofunctional therapy feels like a really 00:12:51.149 --> 00:12:54.409 hard place for them because, as we know, it's 00:12:54.409 --> 00:12:58.409 a huge commitment to do the exercises and to 00:12:58.409 --> 00:13:01.049 take that on, especially with a young child and 00:13:01.049 --> 00:13:04.210 making sure that they can commit to that type 00:13:04.210 --> 00:13:07.429 of routine. So sometimes parents get stuck when 00:13:07.429 --> 00:13:11.039 they think I've already done this. or I've already 00:13:11.039 --> 00:13:13.720 gone to hear what they had to say, and then they 00:13:13.720 --> 00:13:17.899 don't know what steps to take next. And so that's 00:13:17.899 --> 00:13:20.820 the challenge I'm facing is to make sure that 00:13:20.820 --> 00:13:24.580 more parents know there's always something that 00:13:24.580 --> 00:13:27.820 you can look into to be able to take action. 00:13:27.820 --> 00:13:32.179 You don't have to get stuck. Yes, and that goes 00:13:32.179 --> 00:13:37.740 back to that. I think what you do is you help 00:13:37.740 --> 00:13:43.070 parents that are at a certain level of their 00:13:43.070 --> 00:13:47.690 understanding of things and events that are happening 00:13:47.690 --> 00:13:52.309 with their children, and you bring their level 00:13:52.309 --> 00:13:56.309 of concern down. And everybody says, well, why 00:13:56.309 --> 00:13:59.269 don't you raise the level of concern? No, when 00:13:59.269 --> 00:14:03.110 you lower a level of concern, it brings about 00:14:03.110 --> 00:14:07.629 in the person a moment where they realize, I've 00:14:07.629 --> 00:14:10.809 got to take action now. and I've got to do something 00:14:10.809 --> 00:14:14.830 about this now instead of just figuring oh you 00:14:14.830 --> 00:14:18.350 know my regular provider will be just fine to 00:14:18.350 --> 00:14:20.789 to deal with these issues and that's not always 00:14:20.789 --> 00:14:25.620 the case. So I hugely acknowledge what you're 00:14:25.620 --> 00:14:28.480 doing and your focus and how you're going about 00:14:28.480 --> 00:14:34.820 reaching people. What have you found is, aside 00:14:34.820 --> 00:14:37.440 from what we just talked about, what do you find 00:14:37.440 --> 00:14:41.519 is your biggest challenge in doing a virtual 00:14:41.519 --> 00:14:46.559 consulting company? Yeah, that's a great question. 00:14:48.299 --> 00:14:51.759 You know our training and our background as a 00:14:51.759 --> 00:14:56.019 hygienist or as a dentist is much more Hands 00:14:56.019 --> 00:14:59.980 -on with our skill set and so I know that sort 00:14:59.980 --> 00:15:04.440 of shifting into both sort of the entrepreneurial 00:15:04.440 --> 00:15:11.820 mindset and also As as you Kind of mastered and 00:15:11.820 --> 00:15:14.480 honed the art of really talking to people that 00:15:14.480 --> 00:15:17.899 was that was something you built a skill up over 00:15:17.899 --> 00:15:21.700 time with how you Made that connection with the 00:15:21.700 --> 00:15:24.240 patients and you got to know them over time And 00:15:24.240 --> 00:15:26.700 that's probably one of the bigger challenges 00:15:26.700 --> 00:15:32.100 is in this virtual existence These aren't long 00:15:32.100 --> 00:15:34.480 -standing relationships. I don't have the every 00:15:34.480 --> 00:15:40.190 six month cleaning to rely on to really get sort 00:15:40.190 --> 00:15:43.350 of to understand what their motivations are or 00:15:43.350 --> 00:15:48.110 to at least plant a seed. Sometimes we're not 00:15:48.110 --> 00:15:50.970 ready for change and so sometimes that's one 00:15:50.970 --> 00:15:52.990 of the things that in a chair -side practice 00:15:52.990 --> 00:15:55.809 I was able to sort of plant a seed and say think 00:15:55.809 --> 00:15:59.950 about this, take this list of symptoms home with 00:15:59.950 --> 00:16:02.629 you, pay attention to that over the next few 00:16:02.629 --> 00:16:04.970 months and when you come back we'll chat further. 00:16:05.389 --> 00:16:09.370 So now in this virtual phase it's really I'm 00:16:09.970 --> 00:16:13.629 I'm finding the parents who certainly are ready 00:16:13.629 --> 00:16:15.850 and motivated to get the help that they need 00:16:15.850 --> 00:16:18.769 because they recognize in themselves that they've 00:16:18.769 --> 00:16:23.690 sort of let things go in a way that they don't 00:16:23.690 --> 00:16:25.870 feel good about. They'd like to take action, 00:16:25.970 --> 00:16:28.070 but they don't have all the confidence in what 00:16:28.070 --> 00:16:31.210 the next steps are. So building those relationships, 00:16:31.549 --> 00:16:34.809 I've been really pleasantly surprised at how 00:16:34.809 --> 00:16:37.549 well I feel like I've have been able to connect 00:16:37.549 --> 00:16:40.029 with a lot of the parents that I've connected 00:16:40.029 --> 00:16:43.730 with virtually and in some cases have some ongoing 00:16:43.730 --> 00:16:47.389 support and relationships there. And a lot of 00:16:47.389 --> 00:16:50.269 them are kind enough to send me updates after 00:16:50.269 --> 00:16:54.399 the fact because most of my work is really done 00:16:54.399 --> 00:16:57.399 in one session. Over about the course of an hour, 00:16:57.559 --> 00:17:01.720 we meet together and try to just find some solutions 00:17:01.720 --> 00:17:06.019 for them. And so a lot of what I truly have enjoyed 00:17:06.019 --> 00:17:08.960 has been the messages I get after from parents 00:17:08.960 --> 00:17:11.160 when they're a few months down the road and they 00:17:11.160 --> 00:17:13.900 just let me know how much better their child 00:17:13.900 --> 00:17:17.559 is doing, the mouth breathing is better, or the 00:17:17.559 --> 00:17:19.740 various symptoms that they're seeing. Tonsils 00:17:19.740 --> 00:17:23.470 have pencil size has gone down. So that's been 00:17:23.470 --> 00:17:26.490 really rewarding, but it is harder to have that 00:17:26.490 --> 00:17:51.500 relationship in the virtual setting. 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So either training, you know, a lot of 00:19:47.680 --> 00:19:50.380 people refer to certain organizations that they've 00:19:50.380 --> 00:19:54.359 trained with, or also different organizations 00:19:54.359 --> 00:19:58.079 that we attend meetings with on a somewhat either 00:19:58.079 --> 00:20:02.839 annual or semi annual basis. So certain organizations 00:20:02.839 --> 00:20:05.880 that I belong to, and I have the network from 00:20:05.880 --> 00:20:10.680 that, but also just others who I've been able 00:20:10.680 --> 00:20:13.299 to learn about. There are certain directories. 00:20:13.299 --> 00:20:15.460 I know you're very involved with the Children's 00:20:15.460 --> 00:20:18.339 Airway First Foundation. There's a lot of support 00:20:18.339 --> 00:20:23.619 and resources in a variety of networks and organizations 00:20:23.619 --> 00:20:27.000 that in some cases, it'll be me reaching out 00:20:27.000 --> 00:20:30.980 to other members in those organizations and asking. 00:20:31.380 --> 00:20:35.079 But in some cases, it's strictly using what I 00:20:35.079 --> 00:20:39.049 know about the type of treatment or the type 00:20:39.049 --> 00:20:42.549 of therapy that somebody is looking for and running 00:20:42.549 --> 00:20:46.930 a search through different geographic areas to 00:20:46.930 --> 00:20:50.789 see I have a little more insight professionally 00:20:50.789 --> 00:20:54.410 than some parents who maybe don't know what they're 00:20:54.410 --> 00:20:57.049 looking for or haven't figured out exactly the 00:20:57.049 --> 00:21:00.130 right terminology. Again, I'm so impressed by 00:21:00.130 --> 00:21:02.069 the number of parents that I have met with that 00:21:02.069 --> 00:21:05.339 are using all the right vocabulary, they sound 00:21:05.339 --> 00:21:09.019 like they've already been to dental school. I 00:21:09.019 --> 00:21:12.980 hesitate to kind of chuckle at it because I know 00:21:12.980 --> 00:21:16.640 that it's hard earned knowledge that they've 00:21:16.640 --> 00:21:19.200 had to assemble this knowledge on their own so 00:21:19.200 --> 00:21:23.119 far. But it is really impressive that a lot of 00:21:23.119 --> 00:21:25.000 them have put that together. But sometimes it's 00:21:25.000 --> 00:21:27.380 just finding the right word, finding the right 00:21:27.380 --> 00:21:30.039 company, or different things like that. So there's 00:21:30.039 --> 00:21:34.700 a variety of possibilities that we can use and 00:21:34.700 --> 00:21:39.819 in most cases you know those providers are highly 00:21:39.819 --> 00:21:43.440 recommended and so I try to stick with providers 00:21:43.440 --> 00:21:47.539 that are getting good reviews on the whole and 00:21:47.539 --> 00:21:49.940 in most cases the families I've worked with have 00:21:49.940 --> 00:21:53.109 been really happy so it's been good. Awesome. 00:21:53.190 --> 00:21:55.450 What a service you're providing. Thank you for 00:21:55.450 --> 00:21:59.809 doing that. So what ages, do you limit yourself 00:21:59.809 --> 00:22:04.250 to the lower age range or do you do, you know, 00:22:04.410 --> 00:22:08.710 birth to age 18? I do try to cut off around age 00:22:08.710 --> 00:22:13.349 12 or so. I do, I will chat with those who are, 00:22:13.529 --> 00:22:16.509 I used to provide phinectomies for infants, so 00:22:16.509 --> 00:22:20.349 I do have the insight into the infants. But I 00:22:20.349 --> 00:22:25.809 think that those situations are often don't involve 00:22:25.809 --> 00:22:29.529 quite as much support. So I still talk to a lot 00:22:29.529 --> 00:22:33.109 of parents that are that are dealing with feeding 00:22:33.109 --> 00:22:35.049 issues and they're looking for their support 00:22:35.049 --> 00:22:37.710 and I definitely still offer that service. But 00:22:37.710 --> 00:22:40.569 the majority of the families that I'm helping 00:22:40.569 --> 00:22:44.750 are typically around, I would say, age three 00:22:44.750 --> 00:22:48.710 to age 12. Once they're around age 12, they've 00:22:48.710 --> 00:22:51.670 probably developed enough to really start to 00:22:51.670 --> 00:22:55.069 be looking at these interventions from more of 00:22:55.069 --> 00:22:58.069 what's available to the adult population, just 00:22:58.069 --> 00:23:01.569 due to the growth that they've already gone through. 00:23:04.690 --> 00:23:08.750 Within that age group, what would you say is 00:23:08.750 --> 00:23:12.940 the most outstanding thing that you've learned 00:23:12.940 --> 00:23:18.859 about, say, three to six year olds, what is most 00:23:18.859 --> 00:23:22.660 impactful in their life that you can help direct 00:23:22.660 --> 00:23:26.380 them toward? I think anything we can do to promote 00:23:26.380 --> 00:23:29.079 nasal breathing is definitely most impactful, 00:23:29.079 --> 00:23:31.779 and there are a variety of ways to get there. 00:23:32.259 --> 00:23:38.690 But that is such a pivotal foundation for these 00:23:38.690 --> 00:23:40.769 children and the growth that they're going to 00:23:40.769 --> 00:23:45.289 see over the next several years. And if we can 00:23:45.289 --> 00:23:48.289 ensure that their habit is to breathe through 00:23:48.289 --> 00:23:50.349 their nose rather than to breathe through their 00:23:50.349 --> 00:23:53.769 mouth, their health, their sleep, their growth, 00:23:53.930 --> 00:23:57.549 their development, their learning. So many things 00:23:57.549 --> 00:24:02.890 are just going to be in a better place to really 00:24:02.890 --> 00:24:07.319 thrive. Yes. I just interviewed Dr. Hang who 00:24:07.319 --> 00:24:10.200 I'm sure you're aware of. And I was curious, 00:24:10.339 --> 00:24:12.880 have you seen the photo that they took of him 00:24:12.880 --> 00:24:15.940 and published in the paper after he ran the Boston 00:24:15.940 --> 00:24:18.380 Marathon? He ran it with a piece of tape on his 00:24:18.380 --> 00:24:20.859 mouth. And I was just like, oh my gosh, what 00:24:20.859 --> 00:24:24.019 a feat. Absolutely. And he's right. I've heard 00:24:24.019 --> 00:24:26.940 him speak to the fact that the other athletes 00:24:26.940 --> 00:24:31.400 have taken that approach and really made it sort 00:24:31.400 --> 00:24:36.240 of a buzzy celebrity situation in some cases, 00:24:36.339 --> 00:24:38.319 which is great. It brings a lot more attention 00:24:38.319 --> 00:24:42.059 and awareness to how much nasal breathing can 00:24:42.059 --> 00:24:46.440 really enhance our sense of wellness. Absolutely. 00:24:47.240 --> 00:24:51.119 How would someone go about getting in touch with 00:24:51.119 --> 00:24:55.319 you if they wanted to take advantage of your 00:24:55.319 --> 00:24:59.500 services? The easiest way is through my website. 00:25:00.319 --> 00:25:05.640 We can share a link to that. It's www .oriswellness 00:25:05.640 --> 00:25:10.950 .com. Going through my website, I actually do 00:25:10.950 --> 00:25:15.329 offer a free 20 minute discovery call for any 00:25:15.329 --> 00:25:17.910 parents that are just wondering is this the right? 00:25:18.140 --> 00:25:21.319 service for me. It gives us a chance to do some 00:25:21.319 --> 00:25:25.039 introductions and for me to make sure that we're 00:25:25.039 --> 00:25:27.460 kind of a good fit, a good match, and that I 00:25:27.460 --> 00:25:30.079 would be able to answer any questions about how 00:25:30.079 --> 00:25:32.180 I work and point you in the right direction. 00:25:32.559 --> 00:25:35.220 So that's how most parents come through. If someone's 00:25:35.220 --> 00:25:37.759 really feeling tight on time, I do have an option 00:25:37.759 --> 00:25:40.400 where they can jump straight into the call. But 00:25:40.400 --> 00:25:43.240 most parents do want to benefit from that discovery 00:25:43.240 --> 00:25:46.079 call first just to make sure because what I offer 00:25:46.079 --> 00:25:49.480 is pretty unique, it's not a very common service. 00:25:49.900 --> 00:25:52.799 And so just making sure that they feel like this 00:25:52.799 --> 00:25:56.240 is the right next step for them. Yeah. Well, 00:25:56.240 --> 00:25:59.000 and again, what a great resource you are for 00:25:59.000 --> 00:26:05.579 people in this day and age of so much. Not necessarily 00:26:05.579 --> 00:26:08.279 conflicting, but it's like, well, what's the 00:26:08.279 --> 00:26:13.000 right thing to do for my child? So you help them 00:26:13.000 --> 00:26:17.650 define that and That is a real gift to be able 00:26:17.650 --> 00:26:22.890 to help somebody do. Thank you. I've been enjoying 00:26:22.890 --> 00:26:25.329 learning. I mean, again, I've been listening 00:26:25.329 --> 00:26:28.029 to your podcast as well. And that's one of the 00:26:28.029 --> 00:26:30.390 things that I like to do is to send parents. 00:26:31.379 --> 00:26:34.579 podcast episodes that I think helpful resources 00:26:34.579 --> 00:26:38.619 for them. And so I think that, you know, you've 00:26:38.619 --> 00:26:41.700 been a champion for making sure that patients 00:26:41.700 --> 00:26:44.720 find autonomy. And I love the fact that you're 00:26:44.720 --> 00:26:48.240 working to educate other hygienists and other 00:26:48.240 --> 00:26:50.619 team members from from all different parts of 00:26:50.619 --> 00:26:52.779 the dental offices to really think about this 00:26:52.779 --> 00:26:57.220 differently and change that paradigm too. Yes. 00:26:57.680 --> 00:27:01.960 And, you know, for me, It all goes back to events 00:27:01.960 --> 00:27:07.019 that happened in my childhood. And that really 00:27:07.019 --> 00:27:09.539 set the stage for me of who I was going to be 00:27:09.539 --> 00:27:15.920 for my family and others. And so in the last 00:27:15.920 --> 00:27:18.200 close to 50 years, who I was going to be for 00:27:18.200 --> 00:27:20.819 my patients, it just took me a little while to 00:27:20.819 --> 00:27:23.619 figure that all out. But the great thing is, 00:27:23.779 --> 00:27:28.460 as the science evolved, I evolved and so have 00:27:28.460 --> 00:27:32.779 you. And that is the most important thing. And 00:27:32.779 --> 00:27:36.140 bringing and sharing that knowledge of evolution 00:27:36.140 --> 00:27:40.180 into what's best for our children has been a 00:27:40.180 --> 00:27:43.180 gift that we've been able to do because parents 00:27:43.180 --> 00:27:45.799 don't live in the same realm we do. They don't 00:27:45.799 --> 00:27:48.180 know what the science is and what's changing. 00:27:49.079 --> 00:27:52.619 And, you know, just as an example, most parents 00:27:52.619 --> 00:27:55.099 probably think there's nothing wrong with retractive 00:27:55.099 --> 00:28:02.039 orthodontics. Absolutely. So when they take their 00:28:02.039 --> 00:28:08.559 11 or 12 year old in to be examined and develop 00:28:08.559 --> 00:28:12.460 a treatment plan for extracting teeth, or if 00:28:12.460 --> 00:28:17.500 not that, using retractive devices, we just are 00:28:17.500 --> 00:28:20.339 so working towards not doing that anymore. It 00:28:20.339 --> 00:28:24.700 is not how to take care of our kids. And it starts 00:28:24.700 --> 00:28:28.599 so much earlier than just the dental treatments 00:28:28.599 --> 00:28:31.440 themselves. It's the habits at home. It's the 00:28:31.440 --> 00:28:34.460 awareness of, you know, I hear a lot of parents 00:28:34.460 --> 00:28:36.640 say, I know my child shouldn't be sucking their 00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:39.299 thumb, but we're dealing with. all these other 00:28:39.299 --> 00:28:42.000 health issues right now. And what they don't 00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:45.039 often realize is that those other health issues 00:28:45.039 --> 00:28:48.880 are all adding up and connecting to signs that 00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:52.400 there is a greater airway issue. And so that's 00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:56.180 where we have to look at habits and environments 00:28:56.180 --> 00:28:58.880 and all the things that are changing. And you're 00:28:58.880 --> 00:29:02.240 right, parents. oftentimes don't have the opportunity 00:29:02.240 --> 00:29:04.839 to appreciate what's going on because they're, 00:29:04.960 --> 00:29:07.039 to use your analogy with the lifeguard approach, 00:29:07.079 --> 00:29:09.099 they're drowning in the situation. If they're 00:29:09.099 --> 00:29:12.319 not sleeping well, if their little one's not 00:29:12.319 --> 00:29:14.900 sleeping well, they're not sleeping well, and 00:29:14.900 --> 00:29:17.799 all of this adds up and becomes very overwhelming 00:29:17.799 --> 00:29:19.819 in the number of decisions that parents have 00:29:19.819 --> 00:29:23.339 to make on a daily basis just to make sure that 00:29:23.339 --> 00:29:27.279 everyone's doing well really can get to be a 00:29:27.279 --> 00:29:31.440 lot. So helping to make sure that that we can 00:29:31.440 --> 00:29:33.599 streamline this information that's getting to 00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:38.940 them is is the least we can do. Yes and for all 00:29:38.940 --> 00:29:43.019 you caregivers out there just be committed when 00:29:43.019 --> 00:29:48.579 you see something say something because um our 00:29:48.579 --> 00:29:51.039 parents have a right to know and we have an obligation 00:29:51.039 --> 00:29:54.559 we took an oath both dentists and hygienists 00:29:54.559 --> 00:29:57.880 and I don't know about any of the other dental 00:29:58.819 --> 00:30:02.920 professionals, but we took an oath to always 00:30:02.920 --> 00:30:07.039 be honest and to advance the art and science 00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:11.559 of dentistry. And this is what it's about. We're 00:30:11.559 --> 00:30:14.980 advancing the knowledge and understanding, and 00:30:14.980 --> 00:30:18.339 we're saving lives at the same time, because 00:30:18.339 --> 00:30:22.579 my big belief is what is allowed to persist in 00:30:22.579 --> 00:30:26.440 a child. follows that child for the rest of their 00:30:26.440 --> 00:30:29.940 life. And I'm a perfect example of that, having 00:30:29.940 --> 00:30:34.319 had four bicuspid extractions and retractive 00:30:34.319 --> 00:30:38.839 orthodontics. So yeah, man, I'm a pit bull when 00:30:38.839 --> 00:30:44.380 it comes to making sure that we do the right 00:30:44.380 --> 00:30:47.619 thing according to what the science says, not 00:30:47.619 --> 00:30:50.559 according to tradition. There's so many other 00:30:50.559 --> 00:30:54.640 options. So I like to... call myself when somebody 00:30:54.640 --> 00:31:00.220 says, well, who are you? And I say, I'm an architect 00:31:00.220 --> 00:31:04.420 of change, formerly known as a traditional hygienist. 00:31:04.579 --> 00:31:10.740 I like that. You are that to a T. So thank you 00:31:10.740 --> 00:31:14.819 for all that you do. As we kind of wind this 00:31:14.819 --> 00:31:19.359 down today, I would like you to tell me about 00:31:19.359 --> 00:31:22.539 two things. Number one, what do you consider 00:31:22.750 --> 00:31:27.569 your superpower. I guess I would I would circle 00:31:27.569 --> 00:31:30.450 back to what I was saying at the beginning was 00:31:30.450 --> 00:31:34.470 that was sort of a joke at first where I was 00:31:34.730 --> 00:31:37.230 practicing as a dentist in a dentist office and 00:31:37.230 --> 00:31:41.329 sending all of my patients elsewhere. So it became 00:31:41.329 --> 00:31:44.170 a situation where at first it sounded funny but 00:31:44.170 --> 00:31:47.609 I think I'm very good and I've honed the skill 00:31:47.609 --> 00:31:51.009 of knowing when to refer somebody and so even 00:31:51.009 --> 00:31:54.150 though at this point it's now shifted that the 00:31:54.150 --> 00:31:57.779 clients that are coming to me are obviously not 00:31:57.779 --> 00:32:01.839 in my dental chair right now, but I do think 00:32:01.839 --> 00:32:05.599 my skill is sort of taking a step back and saying, 00:32:06.200 --> 00:32:09.700 what is the number one symptom that we're hoping 00:32:09.700 --> 00:32:12.980 to address? Because sometimes that gets overlooked. 00:32:13.319 --> 00:32:16.240 I can help you put a plan together, but your 00:32:16.240 --> 00:32:19.779 motivation is gonna come from what the number 00:32:19.779 --> 00:32:22.359 one symptom you're hoping to change is. And so 00:32:22.359 --> 00:32:25.200 that might... influence where we get started 00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:29.099 or who the right provider is or the right type 00:32:29.099 --> 00:32:33.160 of provider. So I think my superpower is knowing 00:32:33.160 --> 00:32:37.039 when and who to refer to, figuring that out for 00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:45.759 each situation. What a gift. Thank you for developing 00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:49.789 and honing that. part of you and that gift and 00:32:49.789 --> 00:32:53.369 what you have to contribute to dentistry and 00:32:53.369 --> 00:32:56.109 to the health and wellness of patients. It's 00:32:56.109 --> 00:33:00.069 so needed today. So my second question for you 00:33:00.069 --> 00:33:06.109 is I've started having you, my guest, always 00:33:06.109 --> 00:33:10.069 leave a question for the next person that I interview. 00:33:10.490 --> 00:33:13.910 And it doesn't have to be anything specific, 00:33:13.990 --> 00:33:17.779 just what comes to mind that you think would 00:33:17.779 --> 00:33:20.759 be a great question because I'm all into quality 00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:24.579 questions. I love questions. So what would you 00:33:24.579 --> 00:33:26.619 think would be a great question for the next 00:33:26.619 --> 00:33:34.480 person? I would love to hear. I think an interesting 00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:39.839 place to go might be how do you want to be remembered? 00:33:40.140 --> 00:33:43.819 What is the change that you want to be remembered 00:33:43.819 --> 00:33:48.440 for? That was for me a really pivotal question. 00:33:48.599 --> 00:33:52.900 I have a dear friend who does a lot of business 00:33:52.900 --> 00:33:56.240 mentorship and business coaching. And, you know, 00:33:56.319 --> 00:33:59.500 a lot of times when you're trying to figure out, 00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:02.599 I've heard you say before, who you want to be 00:34:02.599 --> 00:34:05.240 for your patients. When you're trying to figure 00:34:05.240 --> 00:34:11.059 that out, I think it's simple to fall into this 00:34:11.059 --> 00:34:15.590 trap of, you know, Trying to envision the future 00:34:15.590 --> 00:34:21.590 and trying to see what might become of each individual 00:34:21.590 --> 00:34:26.110 situation or of your specific situation but one 00:34:26.110 --> 00:34:29.110 of the things that she asked was What is the 00:34:29.110 --> 00:34:31.309 change that you want to make and how do you want 00:34:31.309 --> 00:34:33.269 to be remembered for the change that you make 00:34:33.269 --> 00:34:36.030 and for some reason? That little tweak instead 00:34:36.030 --> 00:34:39.349 of looking at myself in the future. It was what 00:34:39.349 --> 00:34:43.239 is the change that I want to make? for others 00:34:43.239 --> 00:34:46.320 in the future and that was helpful for me. So 00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:49.039 maybe I would ask that to your next. That's a 00:34:49.039 --> 00:34:51.280 great question. And I think when you look at 00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:56.360 it from that perspective, it takes a lot of the 00:34:56.360 --> 00:34:59.940 fear and the resistance to change when you make 00:34:59.940 --> 00:35:04.360 it about other people and not about you. So that's 00:35:04.360 --> 00:35:06.300 a very great piece of advice. Thank you. And 00:35:06.300 --> 00:35:09.099 that's a great question. I will be sure and ask 00:35:09.099 --> 00:35:12.500 the next question. I'm curious, is your mentor 00:35:12.500 --> 00:35:16.440 and friend, is she, is it a woman? It is, yes. 00:35:16.460 --> 00:35:20.059 Is she in Chicago? This is an exception to the 00:35:20.059 --> 00:35:22.300 rule. She's not in Chicago. She was a university 00:35:22.300 --> 00:35:24.599 friend of mine that I've kept in touch with. 00:35:26.639 --> 00:35:30.699 Well, this has been such a pleasure, Julia. And 00:35:30.699 --> 00:35:34.139 we'll put in the show notes how you can get a 00:35:34.139 --> 00:35:37.119 hold of Julia. And you know, really, if you have 00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:42.559 any questions concerned about We all want the 00:35:42.559 --> 00:35:49.239 best for our child and we'll do anything to satisfy 00:35:49.239 --> 00:35:54.400 that kind of burning desire in our hearts to 00:35:54.400 --> 00:35:57.300 always ensure that our children have the best. 00:35:57.519 --> 00:36:00.880 And so I'd encourage you to reach out to Dr. 00:36:01.179 --> 00:36:04.260 Julia, give her a call or schedule an appointment 00:36:04.260 --> 00:36:08.179 with her for an exploratory call and take advantage 00:36:08.179 --> 00:36:12.840 of her wisdom. This is not just advice, this 00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:16.960 is wisdom. So, thank you again for being with 00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:19.219 us today. I appreciate it. Thank you, Chris. 00:36:19.360 --> 00:36:21.940 It was a pleasure chatting with you. 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