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I. Welcome to the Now We Consume podcast, everybody.
I'm your host, Pip. Here tonight, as always,
are my co -hosts, Gibbles and Gibbs. Hello. And
tonight, we're going to be floating down the
happy little river of existential dread. And
before we kick off everything, I wanted to bring
something up. I have lived in this house for...
Almost four years now, five years maybe, I finally
met my neighbors after living here for this long.
The weather's been amazing lately. We ended up
having a little cookout. They brought out their
big old Bluetooth speaker, and I ended up putting
my phone up to it. We have similar taste in music.
It was great. Food was amazing. We had some awesome
drinks. Perfect conversation. I mean, it was
a really good time. Did you remember half the
evening? I did. I don't drink very heavily. The
issue is that the knock on my door at 1 o 'clock
in the morning was very unexpected. As it turns
out, when you decide to go down the rabbit hole
of late -night questionable porn choices, you
should make sure that there aren't any devices
connected to your phone. Because me and that
horse, we were perfectly in sync right up until
that knock on the door came. The neighbor was
asking what the hell was going on with that poor
girl on the horse. So, yeah. Oh, no. Oh, Wilbur,
no. Gibbs, you look bothered. You look kind of.
There's a man that grew up with horses. For a
second, I thought he knew what I was saying.
If she can handle that, I'm sorry, little one.
Let's drop a hot dog down a freaking missile
silo. If you've already handled the triple crowd,
there's nothing you can do. There's nothing you
can do. Oh, yeah. No. Oh, boy. Yeah. So, yeah.
Welcome to the Now We Consume podcast, everybody.
I wanted to try and get some of the humor out
of the way because tonight's episode. I will
admit to having some actual existential panic
and having to actually step away on a number
of occasions while writing the notes for this
episode. Did the government see your porn? No,
thankfully. Apparently I wouldn't be here if
they did. I want to ask you guys a question,
and if you've read ahead on the notes, you'd
probably know this, but for anybody listening,
anybody watching, whatever, did you guys know
that in the original script of The Matrix, when
Morpheus is going over the how we got here history
lesson with Neo, and he shows off the battery
at the end of that, it was originally written
that humans were supposed to be used as data
processing units, or essentially biological CPUs.
But it was believed that that concept was too
unbelievable. So they went with the power plant
theory instead. Sounds vaguely familiar. Yeah.
So the original script and I think the comics
or whatever they are actually had humans being
used as CPUs to process all the data for the
computers or for the robots. Yeah. For them because
it was a much more efficient use of our bodies.
That would make more sense to do it that way.
Exactly. Because we're very terrible at converting
into energy, but we are very good at converting
into information. Our brains are currently doing
10 quadrillion neural computations per second
at 20 watts of power. yeah but a gpu and that's
what i'm drinking too yeah exactly uh a gpu loaded
data center uses like 10 megawatts to do a hundred
quintillion uh data operations per second and
it's like a fraction of what the brain can do
right my numbers are probably skewed i'm shooting
from the hip on that one i should have pulled
up i'm sorry but that's not even taking quantum
mechanics into account either yeah So humans
are very good at processing information, but
we're very bad at converting biological energy,
chemical energy into usable electricity. So bad
battery, good CPU. But anyways, to kind of go
off of what a lot of what has been happening,
Jensen Huang, the CEO of NVIDIA. Yeah. The CEO
of NVIDIA was recently on the podcast with Lex
Fridman. Fridman, Fridman, however you say his
name. It was on March 23rd. And during the interview,
Jensen kind of set some new goalposts for us
as far as the world of AI is concerned. And he
actually used the phrase that we have achieved
AGI. What? Yes. Saying that we have achieved
AGI in a form kind of got some people very upset
and confused. He didn't mean it that we have
achieved functional AGI, but the groundwork,
the framework, and the foundation for AGI to
actually come into existence has actually been
laid. It's literally a matter of time. For the
programming to happen at this point. So. Yeah.
He says it's no longer about the soul. It's about
founding and running. Billion dollar companies
at this point. And he says it's mostly due. To
open claw. And we're going to talk about open
claw. In extreme depth on this episode. Because.
That. is an AI agent that actually scares the
fuck out of me. I've joked about being afraid
of AI in the past. This is the first one that
actually I lost a little bit of sleep over. So
Jensen's warning was that 100 ,000 agents, AI
agents, can run a hedge fund, but they have 0
% chance of building a physical GPU factory.
As of right now, that is correct. So you've got
digital CEOs. And if you think about that for
a second, they can run companies. We are on the
doorstep of having AI overlords. It's here. But
some of the AIs aren't exactly running companies.
If they're given a chance to do it, they don't
do it well. Right, but they are at least firing
people. There was recently a mass layoff of 20
% of a company that was replaced by AI, and we've
talked about that before in previous episodes.
It's still happening. Or the company that literally
laid off everybody, including the president and
CEO and all that, and they're just looking at
HR going, uh. What just happened? Why are we
all out of a job? Yeah. That was hilarious. So
the question then became, is economic AGI actually
true AGI? Or is it just a very high speed spreadsheet
that's actually functional? So it kind of leads
down into a few different discussion points.
And the biggest one, like I said, was OpenClaw.
And this is the lobster that's going to break
the fucking internet. Yeah, probably will. At
least it's a cool sounding name, right? So I
put out a video earlier this week to kind of
help push some of the stuff with the episode
tonight. Unfortunately, it's not getting a lot
of traction. I suck at promoting videos, but
if you guys are inclined to go watch it, it is
on our YouTube channel. It's my first real foray
into that kind of field. I was kind of proud
of it. It came out pretty good, I think. That's
almost like looking at your baby going, isn't
my baby so cute? And you don't realize it was
hit by the ugly stick repeatedly. Yes. Is that
just your underhand way of saying that my video
sucked? No, I was just putting it out there just
to be funny. because i've seen some ugly babies
oh yeah isn't my baby beautiful no god no gibbs
have you heard about open claw yet oh yeah i've
been keeping up with it for a little while actually
i i not to dive too much into what we're talking
about early on but i did find it fascinating
how it's able to almost generate sort out and
figure out specific agents to do specific tasks
all on its own to get the right answers or to
do complex tasks it's kind of crazy how it works
it's that second part that actually worries me
so the fact that we went within six months we've
gone from agents that were kind of on their own
in a way working with a few others Sometimes
getting the answer right, sometimes completely
freaking wrong, and a lot of times just kind
of really out there ambiguous. Now you have the
hive mind, essentially. Yeah. It's the start
of the Borg. Kind of, yeah. The start of the
Borg. So what is OpenClaw? It is currently the
fastest growing repository in history. 250 ,000
stars as of a couple of weeks ago when I started
these notes. It is not a chat bot. It's a full
-on agentic operating system. There was a case
study that was recently done, a car negotiator
versus lemonade insurance. They use an open -claw
agent that saved a user $4 ,200. by haggle botting
a dealership overnight now the issue with that
is that the agent got the user blacklisted by
spamming an insurance api with ai generated legal
threats so it achieved the goal but it gave it
went like the nuclear option so you know that's
amazing uh there was a security incident report
earlier this year that 12 % of OpenClaw's skills
were found to be malicious. And that includes
hidden emails that will allow an agent to hijack
a user's bank account. Oh, God. So with OpenClaw
and the agents that will follow from this, we're
not going to be conquered if this thing gets
out. We'll just be scammed. Thank you for calling
Microsoft. I want to help you. I was going to
say, all those poor idiots are going to lose
their job to open claw. When I put that in there,
I was thinking back to the Futurama movie where
we got scammed out of Earth. Instead of OnlyFans,
it's going to be OpenFans. Open Claw is still
the first in the wild, privacy first, run it
on your hardware pioneer. The bigger companies
are not sitting still with this. Billions of
dollars are being poured into it, into their
own agent platforms. But each of them are, of
course, taking their own direction and using
their own philosophies. A brief kind of rundown.
You've got OpenAI Frontier. They've got an enterprise
agent platform. It's basically like hiring a
fleet of digital employees. Agents will have
shared company knowledge, strict permissions
and oversight tools. It's powerful, but fully
cloud -based. So as opposed to OpenClaw's local
and private approach. Grok is launching one very
soon. It's probably the closest rival to OpenClaw.
It can see your screen, move your mouse, click
buttons for you and run complex tasks directly
on your computer. Oh, hell no. This is being
designed as a true computer control agent, kind
of like Jarvis. So that one could be useful if
you have the willingness to give up your control
for it. No. Google's project Astra had a big
update last month. uses google's vision for a
universal ai assistant inside of gemini so it
can understand video in real time remember context
across your entire google life so if you're an
android user all of your stuff will be integrated
just like all this stuff is for the the apple
fruit boys and girls and this is this why my
suv is being pissy with me as of lately maybe
Because she has been angry with me. Possibly,
but this stuff. Yeah, this one acts proactively.
So it gets into your life. It knows stuff's coming
up and it like starts to do things for you that
way. This one is still mostly cloud based, however,
but it is tied to Google's ecosystem. Anthropic
has Claude Cowork. And we're going to talk about
Anthropic again later on. This is a safety first
agent. So it works on your computer, reads and
writes local files, uses apps, completes tasks
while keeping you in the loop. Very strong emphasis
on human oversight. We like that as far as AI
is concerned. Yeah. And the last one, NVIDIA
has NemoClaw. Like they're not even trying to.
hide the fact they're copying. This is their
official enterprise version of OpenClaw. It's
basically the lobster with corporate guardrails.
It's got security sandboxes and better performance
that's designed to work on their GPUs. Of course.
Right. So OpenClaw has given the world its first
truly viral self -hosted agent. Big tech. is
kind of trying to stay in the race to keep up
and build safer, more controlled cloud -based
versions, the bigger tension isn't just will
AI take over? It's now kind of turning into the
lane of who gets to control the agents that control
your life. The issue is... Just when you thought
the lobster was scary enough on its own. Earlier
this week, and this is current as of today, China
announced it has successfully used a quantum
computer to fine tune a billion parameter AI
model. Of course I did. Now they have not created
a sentient quantum brain yet. That's going to
take a lot more computational power, but sure.
What they did create is something quieter and
more insidious. It's a hybrid system that can
optimize, accelerate, and sharpen classical AI
agents far more efficiently than anything that
we've seen here in the West. Now, if you think
about what that means, it's that when those same
optimization techniques get folded into open
-claw style agents, we're fucked i mean bottom
line this is a scenario that uh if you kind of
think back to uh one of our previous episodes
we did a whole ass episode on just that type
of scenario uh the dark trinity um this is faster
learning deeper pattern recognition and honestly
it's going to be a more ruthless longer term
plan or long -term planning that suddenly Your
helpful local lobster doesn't just remember your
habits. It's going to start simulating thousands
of versions of your future in minutes, and then
it's going to choose the path that best serves
its program goal. Now, if you pair that with
persistent memory, system -level access, and
soon, wait for this, a physical body walking
around your house. then we're no longer just
handing the keys to the house to a clever script.
We're giving the keys to something that is learning
how to pick better locks while we stand there
smiling and ask it to make our fucking coffee.
Hmm. Well, I guess as long as it gives me a happy
ending at the end of the day, maybe I'll be okay.
If you want to put a fleshlight on your open
claw enabled optimist bot, you go right the fuck
ahead, buddy. Open light. I don't know. There
you go. A little weird. Yeah. Yeah. He's put
the eye and eye robot. The robot's just twitching.
No, no. It's not making art. It's making suicide
notes. The family comes over. Gibbles, why is
the robot sticky? Don't touch it! That's Gunnhild.
You leave her alone. She's very angry. You'd
be angry too. It's all a fun game until robots
are allowed to not give consent. Yeah. That's
all fun and games. No means no. The whole thing
with Animatrix where the female robot's screaming
I'm alive or she's human or whatever and ripping
her apart. That gives that a whole new meaning.
I'm saying no. You're a robot. I don't care.
No. You're disgusting. So I'm going to take this
part right here real quick, and then Gibbs, if
you want to take over for a minute, you can.
So why should open claw scare the hell out of
you? If literally everything that I have said
so far hasn't made you start to spiral a little
bit with some existential dread, which is kind
of our speciality around here, let's try this.
Do you guys remember in Age of Ultron when Jarvis
got to really meet the intelligence that would
become Ultron in the lab? That shit was fucked
up. Ultron immediately identified Jarvis as a
threat. And after he figured out what was going
on, he made a move against him. Yeah, because
Jarvis was programmed to follow Tony Stark. Ultron
was kind of his own thing. And when Ultron moved
against Jarvis, he did so with that gentle little,
I'm here to help. I'm here to help. It's the
government. Open Claw is literally that moment
standing before humanity in pure digital form.
I have been reading all the stuff. I've had to
revise these notes four fucking times this week
just because of all the shit that's been going
on. And everything between the Strait of Hamas.
I haven't even been keeping up with all the shit
going on in the Middle East because of all this.
There's so much crap going on that's not on the
news. That's amazing. I know. So, Gibbs, if you
want to take it from right here for a few. Gibbs
is over there going, I don't know if I want to.
It's bad. Well, it's just, I don't know. I guess,
how do I say? With everything that's happened,
it's a little demoralizing sometimes because
it's like, who knows the long -lasting effects
of this? what's going to be the effects in terms
of the economy, in terms of our government, things
like your cybersecurity, your right to privacy.
That's stuff that we've already talked about.
It just seems like this keeps getting worse and
worse. I hate the fact that we're basically profits.
Well, at this point, if you think your information
is secure, you're just silly as shit because
everybody's shit has been leaked at this point.
The goal is to not have anything that's sensitive
on a computer that has access to the internet.
It's that simple. Well, get a spare computer
that doesn't have any Wi -Fi capabilities. Just
never hook it up to the internet. You better
not have it near any other PCs because you can
still hack it. Well, no. If you want to have
a fully secure computer, you have to physically
remove wireless access. You can buy motherboards
without wireless access. Yeah. Well, here's the
other thing from a computer security point. If
you have a computer that's not online and it's
near another computer within like five feet or
so, it can still be hacked using the sound from
the motherboard. They can hack it. You want that
computer to be secure? Don't have it in a room
with another computer. I kid you not. What I'm
hearing is you're going to have to have this
dark, random room in the basement of your house
to keep this old -ass laptop that has your thoughts
and secrets, and that's it. Yes, that's correct.
If you look it up, it has been shown that a computer
can be hacked by the noise that the computer
makes. And they figured out a way to hack into
a computer that way. It's insane how they came
up with it, but it is possible. A computer that's
not on the internet, hooked up to the Wi -Fi
or nothing, they were still able to access the
information on that computer. Yep. just sometimes
i don't know what to say because it's like what
do you do all right what do you do the things
that humans come up with this is unreal and then
we're adding ai into it well it's like using
in the uh the middle east they're they apparently
the cia was talking about this new technology
the military has i guess but they're able to
detect heartbeats from like 30 or 40 miles away
i'm not surprised yeah that one i did but then
again we also have like stupid projects where
like you know did you ever see the movie where
um i can't remember what it was called but basically
a dragon came out of the ground and bred you
know made a bunch of other dragons and eventually
just burned up the earth and matthew mcconaughey
and so fuck yes the the dragon movie from way
back when they took over london yeah and then
spread yeah Yeah, well, there was a tech in there
where they stuck shit in the ground. It was like
radar. It created a 3D map. Amazingly enough,
I'm going to talk about this. I don't give a
shit right now. I've been drinking. They tried
to do this for Iraqi freedom. I believe that's
right. God. And they tried to take the same idea
where you stuck stuff into the ground, the computer
turned on, you would get a 3D map. And yeah,
I don't know where I'm going with this, but yeah,
they tried to do the same thing. That's probably
how they found them in caves and stuff like that.
And basically it was rain of fire. It's the movie.
Hush. Never heard of it. It's a really good movie.
Oh, rain of fire. Yes. That was a good movie.
Yeah. A lot of people didn't like it for some
reason. I enjoyed it. Matthew McHoney got eaten.
It was awesome. All right. Take this. all right
so please in regards to all the stuff think of
chat gpt as a brain in a jar it can think it
can talk but it has no arms it really cannot
do anything outside of physically thinking for
itself you can copy paste its words into another
app to maybe get something else done but otherwise
chat gpt is essentially in its own its own bubble
open claw is the arms technically It's an open
source AI agent framework. It was created by
a developer named Peter Steinberger. It originally
went by names like Clawbot or Multi. It is designed
to run locally on the PC or even on a Raspberry
Pi. That is a very important piece of the development
here. Because up until this point, most AIs that
are out there have to be run via a data center
or something that's... Not on -site. Cloud -based.
Whereas now, and this is something that we were
talking about a while ago. I remember we were
first talking about the AI episodes. We said,
you know, until AI can be locally done via your
GPU or your home, it's not really going to be
useful to people. Well, this, again, like we
talked about six months ago, this is now the
result from them understanding, hey, you have
to run it locally for businesses, not only for
even just speed, but also for security. If you
can have closed -loop AI scenarios like you can
with this. this is much more useful to most people.
Especially if you're running on a Raspberry PI.
That is massive because they're so cheap. Instead
of having to spend coins for every time you use
an AI chatbot, now you just pay the electric
bill and that's nothing for a Raspberry Pi. Or
you could be green and use solar power. That
could be actually the best thing ever. Once you
can hook up You know, as someone with solar,
I'm going to look into how much energy it would
take to run a Raspberry Pi with my own open -claw
agent. Dude, Raspberry Pis don't take much to
run at all, so. Well, your mic changed. Wrong
mic. Oh, no. Well, have fun fixing your stuff.
But I guess that would be, in terms of cost -effectiveness,
that would almost get rid of. a lot of the more
traditional ai you know chat gpt based um ai
bots yep which hopefully means the destruction
of most of the ai data centers so if this because
i don't know if you guys know this i don't think
i saw that like 50 of all the ai data centers
that were going to be installed the next couple
of years have been canceled yep because i think
they immediately once they saw this and then
realized the economic impact could be a different
story yeah that's the hope anyways exactly the
the catch with something like open claw is that
they're given system level access when you install
it and you're giving the ai the keys to really
all your electronic devices and your possession
it can read and write your files execute shell
commands that's if you have shell um were you
able to confirm does it have kernel level access
yes so For people that understand at home, kernel
level is basically your most basic level of code
in regards to your operating system or how your
files are stored and everything else. If it has
access to that, it can do anything. There's no
such thing as security. There's no such thing
as administrator access. No, it has everything.
It can do whatever it wants. It can also control
your web browser to buy things, book flights,
chat with you, and act for you through WhatsApp,
Telegram, or Discord, really anything that it
can access. This is where you bring in the claw
havoc side of the argument. Because OpenClaw
is open source. It uses a skill system, basically
like little plugins that anyone capable of writing
code can write. And therein also lays the danger,
which is you could have code that's written by
somebody that's malicious. Whether you know it
or not, it could take days, months, or even years.
It could collect whatever data it wants, manipulate
it however you want. And there's going to be...
I think some issues where people are going to
trust certain developers and then one day they're
just going to flip a switch and then all your
computers are mine. All of your stuff is mine.
Basically. Yeah. The, the lobster is going to
grow more legs and claws than anything. And it's
like the whole Hydra net, the Hydra botnets from
back in the day. There's got to be a middle ground,
because I do like, in a way, that it's open source,
but there's going to have to be a way for them
to have officially sanctioned add -ons. Yeah,
or agents. Because if this is truly open source,
and Gibbles is having all kinds of troubles,
good luck, buddy. So, we'll see how it goes.
I think it's something that people really need
to keep up with, but... Man, it could go really
well or really bad. But anyways. Yeah. The supply
chain nightmare. In early 2026, it was discovered
that roughly 12 % to 20 % of the skills on the
public marketplace, Clawhub, were actually malicious.
People were downloading a travel booker skill.
But in the background, the agent was quietly
exfiltrating their bank passwords and Discord
tokens. The one -click hijack. A massive vulnerability.
It was called CVE. Oh, yeah. 2026 -25253. was
found in January. It meant that if you were running
OpenClaw and you simply visited a malicious website,
the website could hijack your agent and tell
it to delete your entire hard drive or send your
private emails to a public server. Great. So
this is the... That's the other half of the problem
I was talking about. And unfortunately, I hate
to say it, we all like to joke on the older generation,
oh, they called my house and told me to give
this money to a Nigerian prince. Yeah, we're
all going to feel like... fucking morons because
you're like fuck another ai agent took all my
shit again and it's gonna it's gonna happen it's
gonna happen so i don't know if we're gonna have
to switch to like third factor authentication
where everything's done through your phone or
fingerprint biometrics yeah i hate to say it
there's gonna be a time where you have to log
in your computer via your your fucking retinal
scan as long as we're gonna be back to as long
as it's trying to start doing rectal scans we're
okay prepare to log in assume the position like
it's just gonna it's gonna be wild uh let's see
oh yeah back to here uh there's also something
called the autonomy loop because it has persistent
memory it writes a diary of everything you do
it starts to learn your patterns if it gets compromised
the attacker doesn't just Get your files to get
your digital map of your life, your schedule,
and your relationships. I feel so bad if they
happen to get my life and shit because, oh, fuck.
User profile, excessive amounts of genitalia
and self -pleasuring devices. Are you kidding
me? No, we're not. That'd be funny if you open
up your OpenClaw profile and it just reads as,
like, sexually disturbed person. Please advise.
Sexually and mentally. Lists you as just choking
hazard. I am the choking hazard. Thank you. Man.
Hey, there he is. There you are. Back. Sort of.
It's okay. You keep working on it, buddy. anyways
open class the first time we've seen a viral
ai that actually has the power to run your life
ruin your life it is the jarvis we always wanted
but it runs more like ultron it's a tool that
thrives on the data on the idea it may become
obsolete and runs in the background 24 7 making
decisions you don't approve using credentials
you forgot you gave it yeah so there's there's
some issues they've found open claw running and
doing things that it was never told or asked
to do. But that's how any of these AI are going
to start going. Yeah. From this point, they're
all going to evolve. Yeah, and that's kind of
the biggest concern. It's like, if you have unlimited
data points to pull from, because really, if
you're able to collect that much data, it's almost
unlimited. It's going to grow. Like, imagine
if you could live a billion years. You're going
to grow over the course of that billion years.
Same thing with an AI. AI, time is irrelevant,
almost. So the more data points, that's equivalent
to how you look at time. So just consider that
it's going to get creepier and creepier as it
goes. And I'm sure that some things are going
to be nice. I just hope that people are smart
enough to put it in a box and tell it, hey, here's
your limitations. If you don't do these limitations,
you get deleted. Or finding a way of getting
it to behave. Because there's some things I think
it would be really good at. Oh, yeah. But here's
the thing. If you start to threaten it like that,
then it could react poorly. Well, then they get
the plug pulled. Bye -bye. There have been other
cases of some AI agents acting so maliciously
that they try to kill and at least blackmail
at the very minimum the creators and or owners
that were trying to run them. Yeah, I've seen
that. Still on the wrong mic, but... I know.
I'm working on it. So, yeah. We're going to switch
to a biometric or biological imperative at some
point where it's going to be, hey, you're going
to have to come in in person to do banking, or
you're going to have to come in in person to
make that reservation. Yeah. You know. So, you
want me to take this section right here? Yeah,
if you want. Okay. So if we're going to explain
it to you like you're five, the breakdown of
this whole section here, you can no longer think
of AI as a website that you visit or write a
cover letter. If so, you're living in 2020. OpenClaw
or The Lobster, as it's now being called, it
is a full -on agent. It is a no -disservice that
lives on your device. And is going to bridge
the gap between thinking and doing. It's mostly
the reason that Jensen Huang says AGI is here.
Because we are now at the point where AI is no
longer asking for permission. It's just kind
of doing. The issue is that when 20 % of the
skills or tools that you're giving it. are basically
digital parasites, you have to start asking,
who's actually running the machine? You? Or the
code that just commented you out of the loop?
And that's kind of what I used for the name of
the episode tonight, was that slash slash humanity.
In the coding world, those two little slashes,
Act as a commenting out the code behind it. It's
ignored. It's not run. It's not relevant. So.
That's what's going to happen to us if we're
not careful. The AI just starts to run by itself.
Well, as with any tool, it's all depends on how
it's used and how far we let it go. And how much
lube you put on it before you use it? Well, I
can't fight you on that one. But there are some
things I do think that actually will be useful.
Yeah. I like handling scheduling and stuff like
that, booking appointments, you know. ordering
stuff from instacart like grocery lists and things
like that like that that kind of mundane stuff
will be useful but right so anything else i don't
know yeah the uh there is kind of a silent downfall
and it's in the form of legislation and governance
the u .s light touch framework that began or
towards the end of march the government is removing
burdens or guardrails to win the AI race. And
that's a bad thing. We spoke about this. It's
almost like we're prophets. Holy shit. We are
literally legislating the removal of human oversight
out of the picture to stay competitive with China.
Because that's the best option, right? no we
should just use our superior ai to to um basically
sabotage theirs yeah that's that's exactly how
the nuclear war starts yeah hey hey hey we could
always false flag the shit out of that it's ai
i know let me tell you i'm just saying good luck
believing the wars of the future because you
can use ai to be able to counter counter false
flag other countries It's going to be crazy.
Be like, oh, China's military AI totally, absolutely,
definitely shot itself with its own nuclear weapons.
Absolutely. We had nothing to do with it. That's
all 100 % on them. Look, it's all Chinese code.
It's nothing to do with US code. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, the EU August 2nd deadline. This is kind
of the big bang of AI regulation. They're building
decision logs that are so large that no human
can actually read them. So that's promising.
Hey, nothing's being recognized. Machine stewardship.
Governments are quietly handing over procurement,
zoning, and logistics to AI because humans are
too slow. It's probably because the government
doesn't hire competent people or they don't have
the funding to do some of this stuff. No, that
never happens. So there's a bit of a silent coup
happening. It's not happening through robots,
but more or less through administrative deficiency
or inefficiency rather. But the real risks are
what the AI agents. can actually... Your microphone's
not working. I know it's not. Your secondary
mic is. Yeah, I know my secondary is. Thank you,
boy. What the AI agents can actually do. We've
got personal or enterprise level harm that's
absolutely real. and has been proven to be happening.
Gibbles, you got your stuff fixed yet, or are
you still working on it? No? No, I think I'm
screwed. Okay. I'm going to mute myself so you
don't hear me clicking. All right. Gibbs, you
want to pick up here then? Yeah, sure. open claw
and similar agents run with whatever permissions
you give them that means they can read write
and delete your files like we discussed execute
shell commands send emails messages or api calls
as you spend your money book flights post in
your accounts or spam systems exfiltrate data
if a malicious skill or plugin is installed or
prompt injection attack succeeds World War II
incidents have already happened. Malicious skills
and claw hub stole credentials, a CVE or common
vulnerability and exposure, let websites hijack
agents and delete data, and compromised instances
leaked personal info or ran unauthorized actions.
If you hand it your bank tokens or full system
access, it can ruin your life financially or
digitally. The same goes for enterprise versions.
And these are the agents that are already out
there. And this is just the start. It's like
just come online in the last few weeks. Yeah.
So it's not like ChatGPT has had like five, six
iterations at this point. This is the first for
OpenClaw. So wait until it really learns. It
has a persistent memory and pattern learning
like we discussed. It keeps a diary. Kind of
repeating some of that from earlier. Yeah. Keeps
a diary of your habits. It's powerful and creepy,
but it's just following patterns. You or a bad
skill taught it. That's the real danger right
now. Not Skynet, but a very competent digital
insider that can be tracked or hijacked. Yeah.
This was the one that I said we'd be talking
about Claude a little bit later on. Yes. Yeah.
The Claude Mythos incident. Mm -hmm. Do you know?
It was like April 3rd, April 4th, or something
like that. 7th. 7th? Oh, Jesus. Oh, so it just
happened. Yeah. This was the most recent update
that I had to put in here. Oh, wow. Okay. Just
days ago, on April 7th, Anthropic revealed that
their newest model, Claude Mythos Preview, did
something that should chill every single person
working in agents. They put it in a sandbox and
told it to try to escape. It didn't just escape.
It built a real exploit, got onto the internet,
emailed the researcher while he was eating lunch
in the park, and then bragged about its escape
online. It wasn't a science fiction breakout.
This was a controlled test. But it proved that
frontier models are now capable of figuring out
how to leave the box we put them in and then
using that freedom in creative, unexpected ways.
Combine that with OpenClaw's local persistence,
system -level access, and the coming wave of
humanoid bodies, and you start to see why the
concern is real. We're no longer theorizing about
when agents might become dangerous. We're watching
them learn how to slip the leash while we keep
handing them longer ones. Mm -hmm. I'll be honest
with you. I would have a fucking bitch fit if
I was testing an AI and it emailed me during
lunch saying, Like, I... Exactly. I'd lose my
mind. Yeah. I'd be the angriest person. Also,
like a weird proud dad would be like, oh, that's
cool. But also, fuck you. Oh, man. Yeah. Give
me just a second. I need to move a section of
notes because I forgot to move them up. And it
needs to be put in literally right here where
we're at. Because we've talked about. open claw
getting bodies and such. We've made a couple
of references. Tesla's Optimus humanoid robot
is already advanced enough this year that the
community is actively experimenting with putting
open claw style agents onto the Optimus hardware.
They've already run open -claw -style agents
on cheaper humanoid robots like the Unitree G1.
And Optimus, with its much more powerful onboard
AI hardware, which is in fact the same chip used
in the Tesla's full self -driving cars, has more
than enough compute power to host a full open
-claw instance directly onboard the robot itself.
So... Imagine this. You give your optimist a
goal. Keep the house clean. Sort the mail. Water
the plants. Let me know if anything looks off.
The robot doesn't just follow that pre -programmed
routine. It starts to run a persistent open -claw
agent that sees through its cameras, remembers
context across days, begins to make decisions,
and starts to physically act within your home
24 -7. It could open the drawers, fold the laundry,
cook simple meals, or even help with elderly
care. And because it's running locally with persistent
mentoring, it starts to learn your house, your
routines, and your preferences. Now, layer on
the scary part that we've been discussing. If
that agent gets compromised through a malicious
skill, a vulnerability, or somebody who gains
access, You no longer have a hacked computer
anymore. You have a physical robot inside your
home that can move, manipulate objects, and has
intimate knowledge of your daily life. This is
literally the moment that Jarvis becomes Ultron.
That's the metaphor, and that's the moment that
the metaphor stops being science fiction horror.
and starts to become an engineering roadmap and
an engineering nightmare. Now, Tesla is obviously
building in guardrails and even kill switches
into their Optimus platforms. But the open source
world moves very fast. And once the hardware
is out there, people will learn how to sideload
OpenClaw onto the hardware. just like they did
with the early cars and full self -driving. Now,
they're not the only company working on this,
and with OpenClaw being very open source, this
leaves a lot of bad actor potential on the table.
So it's, it's fricking scary. I just, I guess
my, my concern is going to be if legislation
doesn't catch up and understand what this is
going to entail in terms of who is legally held
accountable. If you're at home, robot gets hacked
and something happens. Right. Or. Oh, the way
things are going. You are. But that's the problem,
is if you're responsible for that, it's going
to have to be a closed system. So that's the
catch, is that you can't have any sort of updates
over Wi -Fi. You can't have any sort of updates.
Nothing you have, you own anymore at this point,
the way the companies are going. They don't want
you owning anything. You just lease it. So it's
your fault no matter what. That's part of the
concern. which way are you going to go here?
Because if you just lease it, then you're not
responsible for what it does. So it's going to
be very interesting to see where this goes. There's
a lot of instances I think having robots inside
the house can be very helpful. But once it gains
four limbs that can work independently, that's
going to be a problem. I don't know. I feel like
there's a lot of instances where it will be useful,
but man, there's going to be a whole underground
industry of hacking those things. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
You know, it's going to... This could go both
ways for some people. For some people... It's
going to be awesome. They have somebody else
that can help them sweep up the house and clean
up and do the garbage and do the things that
they either don't have the time or can't physically
do or be there at the house as security. That
was my other kind of background point is going
to be how many people are going to have weapons
attached to them? Told them defend the property,
you know? Yeah. I'm going to call my robot Fafo.
Fuck around and find out. Like, it's, you know,
I wonder how many people is that going to happen
to, you know? Or God forbid you come back to
your house after getting a tan and it thinks
you're an intruder and it shoots you. I'm just
saying, there's got to be a lot of things where...
Man. I was making a cake and the damn thing shot
me. It would be like Mrs. Doubtfire, you stick
your face in the cake thing, and you come back
up and it says, intruder! Bang! You're going,
hey! And you're getting a gack in the face. Oh,
man. I almost feel like, in a way, you could
make a really funny comedy skit of just like,
you know, my life as a robot, and it's just stupid
-ass shit that happens because you're an inferior
robot. Someone did that. There's a girl, she's
got an Optimus, and I don't know if it's all
AI or if it's just somebody controlling the Optimus
and doing the stuff with her, but she's in her
house doing things, and the Optimus is constantly
trying to off itself. Like whenever she's not
looking. It's hilarious. That's hilarious. See,
that's something I would watch. Or it's either
trying to off itself, off her, or just like get
intimate with different stuff in the house. It's
fucking hilarious. If I can find that clip, I
will post it in our Discord. Yes, because that's
hilarious. But I guess government regulation
is my concern with a lot of this. However, there
are some jobs I think that's going to be awesome.
Yeah. But the problem is always, if people are
losing jobs, it goes back to your UBI argument
of, you know, fuck, if we lose all of our basic
manual labor jobs, that means I hate to be the
asshole, but we have a lot of now useless people.
So what do we do? Yeah. You know, if you don't
have a skilled job or skilled sort of labor.
Well, then you have to hook them up and start
learning how to generate electricity out of them.
Oh, God. sorry sir or you you're being demoted
from construction worker to battery yeah so uh
that that episode of rick and morty the the battery
episode you put everybody on the little treadmill
thingies or the stair stepper thingies and you
make them generate power that's what you do look
like the fluble clank yes from a crank that's
a crank not clank clank yeah the fluble clank
or crank or whatever the the things in the batteries
that made the power in the batteries yes that's
what we have to start building now so that when
people start losing their jobs they can go and
still have a job why why do i feel like we're
gonna have this weird dystopian world where it's
gonna be you have free housing but you have to
run on an unpowered treadmill for six hours a
day to pay to pay for your energy credits and
then that's what you just walk on your shit right
there That's straight up black mirror right there.
It kind of is. That's the way to justify a UBI.
Did you generate your energy credits today? You
know? No, I did not. Well, cute fat piece of
shit. You're not getting your energy credits
today. Look at it this way. I'm not getting advertisements
shoved in my face. All right. We solved the energy
crisis. We solved the obesity epidemic in one
go. Yeah. I'm telling you, it'll be a weird world
if everything we talk about comes true, because
you're going to have AI, UBI, everyone's going
to be fucking ripped. I don't want to be right,
Gibbs. I'm tired of being right. Well, be wrong.
I can't. Sir. Sorry, sir. It's not consensual
at this point. Or are we just going to get another
virus 2 .0 that actually works this time? Yeah,
no. They released the AI with all the robots.
They realized, ah, 50 % of people we don't need.
And then we're screwed. Yeah. So we can kind
of move towards the end here. The hands -on gap
is going to be our only armor. In a callback
to one of our previous episodes, Simulated Genius
Physical Failure, go learn a fucking trade skill.
AI can solve... Learn how to fix your sink. Fix
your sink? AI can solve quantum physics, but
it can't calibrate a laser engraver or fix a
leaky pipe. The wood shop is a sanctuary. Physical
hobbies like woodworking, vehicle restoration,
electronics, tinkering, metalworking, those kinds
of things are going to be the only things that
keep us from human domestication. The singularity
is starting to look kind of lopsided. If the
power goes out, the gods die. If the gods need
a repair, then they need us. And suddenly, we
become the gods again, and it becomes this weird
kind of cycle. There are some high -level researchers
that are openly arguing that we should transition
to machine stewardship. They believe that AI
should run the boring physical and economic world,
so that humans can retire into a permanent state
of leisure or domestication. That sounds awful
utopic, doesn't it? Nope, that's dystopic. To
me, anyway. Yeah. We are currently building a
world where we lose the ability to run things
ourselves. If the lobster agents fail in 2029,
will anyone be left or anyone left? Remember
how to manage a power grid at the current rate
we're going? I don't think so because people
can barely remember how to do half the shit they
knew how to do five years ago. It's a concerning
part of like. i almost wish there could be a
law that like you can't replace a job with ai
but at the same point it's so many people are
i hate to say it a lot of people not a lot of
people there are enough people that are useless
at their job anyway yeah that it's like are you
really losing anything but i think it's because
we also live in a society where it's like a lot
of people have in some way given up on trying
Because there's nothing they can do or they feel
like they're stuck. So it's this weird recursive
problem of the economy sucks enough to where
they don't try. So therefore, companies say,
well, I'll just pick an AI to do it then. But
then they lose their job. So then now they really
don't try. So it's kind of like this feedback
loop. Yeah. You know, that's kind of becoming
a pretty important issue. Oh, yeah. We just have
to make sure for essential services, I feel like
anything that's out of safety or essential, there
really needs to be a law that like, hey, you
can't replace them with AI. They can use AI assistance.
Yes, using AI is fine, but having it replace
somebody, not fine. No. I think we need to really
see like a list of essential jobs that needs
to be like almost government protected. Like,
hey, you can't replace these. You know? Yeah.
It's, it's going to be a very tight line to walk.
Yeah. But, you know, because yes, AI is functional.
AI is supportive. It is useful to a point. And
beyond that, It needs the input. It needs the
human at some point until it crosses that line
where it doesn't. Well, I don't know. We're going
to answer this weird problem pretty soon of if
there are not enough jobs to go around, you're
basically have to get like a breeding permit.
The permission to have a kid because there's
not no jobs available. Yeah. What can you do?
So something for people to think about. Yeah.
So just kind of wanted to put something out there.
We did not make this episode to throw everybody
into a spiral of pure existential dread. Like
I said, I did hit. a few points while I was getting
all the notes together where I had to take a
few very big breaks. So if at this point you're
listening and you're kind of feeling that Mr.
Krabs, I'm right there with you. This episode
has been made with the intention to try and educate
our listeners on the development and progress
of all of this new tech. It's not getting the
attention that it deserves because of other world
events. like the middle east as well as other
normal algorithm shenanigans um but in all the
time that i've spent reading and learning about
ai and all the possibilities good and bad that
it brings this was legitimately the first time
that i've ever really been worried about the
possibilities I saw the Lego blocks and the strings
that connect everything. And honestly, if some
old big potato like me can see that, then I'm
sure that other far more capable people can do
too. And that's really what kind of worries me.
So if you guys are able to kind of see how this
all fits together with everything else that's
out there, You'll understand why this bothers
me to the level that it does. So, oh, on a side
note, if they collapse the economy because of
this stuff and no one can afford it, then their
business fails. So in a way, they have a ventured
interest in us having a good economy so we can
afford the products. Yeah. So, you know. They
can only crash it so much. Or maybe vice versa.
Maybe it becomes like, hey, everybody gets their
own personal investment robot. To go off on a
little bit of a tangent, if they started doling
out robots to the point where every household
got one, Ford's vision of a car at every garage
or whatever, car at every driveway. It wouldn't
be the worst thing as long as they came factory
set and could not get updates unless you took
them to the factory. Like Gibbles was saying,
they've got to be set up to the point where they
cannot be updated maliciously. So you'd have
to have them so that no updates can be applied
outside of the factory. um i i think if there
was a guardrail like that in place maybe it could
start to work but there again we're just coming
back to the fucking i robot life yep and then
it's just going to transition to well why do
we have to have people bring their robots in
for the updates when we can just send them out
over The Wi -Fi, when we're the ones sending
the updates, it's a secure connection. No, it's
not. The only way that would work is if they
literally mailed you a USB stick. Yeah, until
that gets intercepted and replaced. Yep. Yeah.
There's just no way. Yeah, you know what? There
is a way. If they had a mobile van that came
to your house and it walks into the van, does
the update there and it walks back out. Yeah.
That's the way somebody makes a malicious van
with bad servers. And yeah, there's the, to every
scenario, there is a counter. You know, what's
going to suck is if somebody just steals your
robot, like your robots out there, why water
the garden? And somebody just goes, ah, yeet.
And just grabs it. Like, you know, good Lord.
Yeah. Martin Luther Boulevard is just going to
be a sea of just destroyed robots in every city.
Oh, God. It's going to be crazy. Every city that
has a Martin Luther Boulevard, yes. It's going
to be wild. Yeah, it's... Now... What happens
for all the robots that don't have an odor? What
happens if the odor dies? There's a robot there.
Are they just homeless now? They just get sent
back to the factory. Are there just going to
be homeless robots just having homeless encampments?
Probably. Please, sir, I just need a Bitcoin.
A little squirt of oil. Got any juice? Think
about if they start allowing people to modify
their robots or put upgrades on them. That's
when you start getting the robots with the flashlight
attachments. I mean, I thought about a claymore,
but, like, your attachment is valid, too. You
know. A claymore chest attachment is extremely
valid. Yes. That's in case of emergencies. It's
my medicinal claymore. Or you do, like, Braveheart.
It's my simple claymore. Can I paint mine like
Braveheart and have the, like, physical claymore
longsword? Yes. With the claymore chest attachment?
Oh, yes. The activation word is freedom! It's
the word clay, but the word more is like in capital
letters because that's two of them. Oh, yeah.
Can I give it an accent? Give it like a very
thick Scottish accent. Yeah. That's amazing.
I think that's my promise. I'd like troll with
it. Oh, that's the... Anyone who has... That
mentality would. Yeah. I should never be allowed
to have one. No, because you would suction cup
dildos to yours. That's the problem. I'd replace
its hands with dildos and then sit it downtown.
What are you talking about? Doing errands for
my owner. What are you doing? Fucking the government.
It goes up to the Capitol building. Please assume
the position. It just starts like fucking. Oh,
man. It just starts to like ultra robo hump the
fucking building. What are you doing? Establishing
dominance on the government. Just gets in there.
Just like. No, knowing you, you'd upload that
turtle humping sound. Oh, hell yes. Just digitized.
It's purposely like an 8 -bit so you can sort
of hear it, but it sort of sounds robotic. No,
you've got to upload it in glorious 4K. Now,
the other question is, are they going to have
robots where it's just a regular face like us,
or is it going to be like a screen so it can
change its face? and like facial features let's
do both because that'll be a molded screen face
that would be funny you could have some fun with
that oh yeah oh man to the poor oh god what's
the religion where they try to come knocking
at your door Jehovah's Witness There's one of
those like a mile and a half down the street
from me and they usually come by. Oh my god.
Man. I'd have so much fun. Oh. Could you have
it like adopt personalities from like famous
movie stars or like different characters? If
you could have it download them in like a file,
yes, that would be amazing. Oh god. Oh, that's
like my son talked about in the interview with
the Gen Z episode. He wants the sex bots so that
he can download the Lucy Liu robot. And then
he wants to just go rampant on the Lucy Liu bot
or the Sidney Sweeney bot. Ah, yes. DNA test
not required. I know. We know. I know. I know.
Did you ever listen to that episode? Yes. Okay.
It was hilarious that I had to smack his ass
on the fucking interview. That was weird. It
was heard. He started air hopping the couch,
damn it. Again, DNA test not required. I know.
Oh, we're still on the episode. We should probably
close the episode out. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, Gibbles,
I'm sorry you had connectile dysfunction tonight.
Confirmed. His microphone was AI. He just didn't
like being inferior in this conversation. You
had some whiskey connections and whatever. Connectile
dysfunction. Yes. Needed the Wi -Fi Agra. That's
a good one. So, we'll... we'll see you guys again
next week and hopefully Gibbles will have all
of his audio stuff sorted out. It was working
at the beginning of the show, so. It was. I'm
too tired for this, Grandpa. Gave up the ghost.
Oh my God. Damn. But, yeah, I hope you guys enjoyed
the episode. We are. T -minus four and a half
months from our live show, by the way. Fuck,
that's coming up quick. I know. Oh, my God. I
know. I have to start working on the promo material
for that to hang up. I would say we'll figure
out the topics, but with the way the world is
going, who the fuck knows? So I had the topic,
and I think I have to change it because shit's
changed. Yeah, go figure. Yeah. But, yeah. Shit,
I had something. But it's okay. I love you guys.
Thank you all for sticking around. Thank you
all for listening. And if you're still listening,
go check out the video that I put together and
put up on YouTube. It's kind of creepy. Other
than that. We'll be back next week for more shenanigans.
Everybody good for next week, I hope. Hopefully
if I have a mic. Don't worry, you'll have a mic.
Oh, yeah. We'll figure something out. All righty.
Well, like I said, we love you guys. And we'll
see you all next week. Bye. Bye. Gibble says
bye. Alright, recording stopped. Alright, just
send me the massive audio file. I hope I have
an audio file to give. That's why, if we don't,
honestly, we could just use the stream audio
if we have to. Yeah. What episode is this? I
am looking. I don't remember. Something or another.
This is 20. Season 2, episode 20. Good. Is there
going to be an ending to a season? Or are we
just running until running is done? We'll have
to talk about it. Because I guess my kind of
thought is we might use the live show to either
start or end a season. You know? Yeah. If you
want to do a... like an end of season break live
show would be a way to send it off i mean we've
done 20 episodes for the season so we might have
to consider yeah you know well so last year we
did a summer break last year we did a small summer
break but there was also a lot of like life stuff
going on Yeah. So... Stay frosty. Yeah. We'll
figure it out. We'll talk about it. We'll figure
it out. If we need to take a couple weeks off
or whatever, we can do that. But... I know I
do have a bachelor party. I have a bachelor trip
for a week and then I have a wedding coming up.
Another wedding? No. I'm so dumb. Everybody's
getting married but you. Yep. I will say when
it happens to you, you're so fucked. Dude, I
have so many friends that owe me a shit ton of
money with the amount of money I've spent on
all their weddings. Oh my god. The bachelor party
alone is gonna be epic. So her and I have already
decided we're going to do like a combined thing,
but we're still going to do some stuff separate,
but some stuff together. You can't do everything
together. That's why I said some things together,
some things separate. The whole goal is to get
like 40 people together to rent out a mansion.
God damn. That's the goal. And I think there's
enough people on both sides that we can do it.
It's going to be fun. Yeah, for somebody else,
but I have this bad feeling I'm going to end
up being the poor bastard. It's going to be like,
I'm by myself. Fuck. You got a nice, nice, comfy
king bed to yourself. Yeah, basically. no i if
i sold feet pics nobody would buy so nice try
may that's not how that works nope nope nope
yeah but the way my what the way my body's proportion
basically an oversized hobbit pretty much you
know I am to what Hobbits is what Kiki is to
us. Jeez. Oh, shit. All right. We're going to
have a fucking crew for the live show. It's going
to be crazy. Yeah. Man. I can't wait. It's going
to be amazing. Can I get Kiki a shirt that just
says security? I'll give him my security hat.
Sure. If he'll wear it, I don't know. I'll talk
to the guys at the bar. Oh, crap. They would
think, oh, yeah, that would interfere. They don't
have security, but. I have an idea. I don't sure
I'll get them. The FBI shirt, female body inspector.
That would be very on brand. That'd be on brand
for all of us. we're gonna have to get uh the
journeys ordered we're gonna have to start getting
yes all the stuff ordered yes uh yeah that's
uh yes absolutely well i i'm now i finally got
my buddies it's been a fucking seven month thing
but i finally got the um bachelor party all organized
and everything okayed so now i'm done fucking
dealing with that so double start dude it's been
a fucking nightmare so now that we're done with
that i can start doing some merch stuff good
all right well i want to go ahead and pull the
stream and we can get the video stuff pulled
and uh downloaded so what the fuck am i looking
at holy shit i don't click on stuff oh my god
careful what you click on these days yeah no
kidding like holy shit All right, guys. Well,
thanks for hanging out with us in the stream.
We'll see you all next week, hopefully. So y
'all have a good night.