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Why suffer through the existential crisis of

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life alone when you can do it with us? And now

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episode or podcast, but we make over some topics

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that dance that line like a toddler dances on

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their mother's last nerve. This podcast is rated

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I. Welcome to the Now We Consume podcast, everybody.

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I'm your host, Pip. Here tonight, as always,

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are my co -hosts, Gibbles and Gibbs. Hello. And

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tonight, we're going to be floating down the

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happy little river of existential dread. And

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before we kick off everything, I wanted to bring

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something up. I have lived in this house for...

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Almost four years now, five years maybe, I finally

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met my neighbors after living here for this long.

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The weather's been amazing lately. We ended up

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having a little cookout. They brought out their

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big old Bluetooth speaker, and I ended up putting

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my phone up to it. We have similar taste in music.

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It was great. Food was amazing. We had some awesome

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drinks. Perfect conversation. I mean, it was

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a really good time. Did you remember half the

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evening? I did. I don't drink very heavily. The

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issue is that the knock on my door at 1 o 'clock

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in the morning was very unexpected. As it turns

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out, when you decide to go down the rabbit hole

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of late -night questionable porn choices, you

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should make sure that there aren't any devices

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connected to your phone. Because me and that

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horse, we were perfectly in sync right up until

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that knock on the door came. The neighbor was

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asking what the hell was going on with that poor

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girl on the horse. So, yeah. Oh, no. Oh, Wilbur,

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no. Gibbs, you look bothered. You look kind of.

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There's a man that grew up with horses. For a

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second, I thought he knew what I was saying.

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If she can handle that, I'm sorry, little one.

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Let's drop a hot dog down a freaking missile

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silo. If you've already handled the triple crowd,

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there's nothing you can do. There's nothing you

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can do. Oh, yeah. No. Oh, boy. Yeah. So, yeah.

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Welcome to the Now We Consume podcast, everybody.

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I wanted to try and get some of the humor out

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of the way because tonight's episode. I will

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admit to having some actual existential panic

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and having to actually step away on a number

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of occasions while writing the notes for this

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episode. Did the government see your porn? No,

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thankfully. Apparently I wouldn't be here if

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they did. I want to ask you guys a question,

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and if you've read ahead on the notes, you'd

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probably know this, but for anybody listening,

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anybody watching, whatever, did you guys know

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that in the original script of The Matrix, when

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Morpheus is going over the how we got here history

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lesson with Neo, and he shows off the battery

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at the end of that, it was originally written

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that humans were supposed to be used as data

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processing units, or essentially biological CPUs.

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But it was believed that that concept was too

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unbelievable. So they went with the power plant

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theory instead. Sounds vaguely familiar. Yeah.

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So the original script and I think the comics

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or whatever they are actually had humans being

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used as CPUs to process all the data for the

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computers or for the robots. Yeah. For them because

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it was a much more efficient use of our bodies.

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That would make more sense to do it that way.

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Exactly. Because we're very terrible at converting

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into energy, but we are very good at converting

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into information. Our brains are currently doing

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10 quadrillion neural computations per second

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at 20 watts of power. yeah but a gpu and that's

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what i'm drinking too yeah exactly uh a gpu loaded

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data center uses like 10 megawatts to do a hundred

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quintillion uh data operations per second and

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it's like a fraction of what the brain can do

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right my numbers are probably skewed i'm shooting

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from the hip on that one i should have pulled

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up i'm sorry but that's not even taking quantum

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mechanics into account either yeah So humans

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are very good at processing information, but

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we're very bad at converting biological energy,

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chemical energy into usable electricity. So bad

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battery, good CPU. But anyways, to kind of go

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off of what a lot of what has been happening,

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Jensen Huang, the CEO of NVIDIA. Yeah. The CEO

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of NVIDIA was recently on the podcast with Lex

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Fridman. Fridman, Fridman, however you say his

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name. It was on March 23rd. And during the interview,

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Jensen kind of set some new goalposts for us

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as far as the world of AI is concerned. And he

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actually used the phrase that we have achieved

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AGI. What? Yes. Saying that we have achieved

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AGI in a form kind of got some people very upset

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and confused. He didn't mean it that we have

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achieved functional AGI, but the groundwork,

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the framework, and the foundation for AGI to

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actually come into existence has actually been

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laid. It's literally a matter of time. For the

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programming to happen at this point. So. Yeah.

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He says it's no longer about the soul. It's about

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founding and running. Billion dollar companies

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at this point. And he says it's mostly due. To

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open claw. And we're going to talk about open

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claw. In extreme depth on this episode. Because.

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That. is an AI agent that actually scares the

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fuck out of me. I've joked about being afraid

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of AI in the past. This is the first one that

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actually I lost a little bit of sleep over. So

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Jensen's warning was that 100 ,000 agents, AI

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agents, can run a hedge fund, but they have 0

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% chance of building a physical GPU factory.

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As of right now, that is correct. So you've got

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digital CEOs. And if you think about that for

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a second, they can run companies. We are on the

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doorstep of having AI overlords. It's here. But

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some of the AIs aren't exactly running companies.

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If they're given a chance to do it, they don't

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do it well. Right, but they are at least firing

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people. There was recently a mass layoff of 20

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% of a company that was replaced by AI, and we've

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talked about that before in previous episodes.

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It's still happening. Or the company that literally

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laid off everybody, including the president and

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CEO and all that, and they're just looking at

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HR going, uh. What just happened? Why are we

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all out of a job? Yeah. That was hilarious. So

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the question then became, is economic AGI actually

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true AGI? Or is it just a very high speed spreadsheet

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that's actually functional? So it kind of leads

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down into a few different discussion points.

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And the biggest one, like I said, was OpenClaw.

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And this is the lobster that's going to break

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the fucking internet. Yeah, probably will. At

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least it's a cool sounding name, right? So I

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put out a video earlier this week to kind of

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help push some of the stuff with the episode

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tonight. Unfortunately, it's not getting a lot

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of traction. I suck at promoting videos, but

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if you guys are inclined to go watch it, it is

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on our YouTube channel. It's my first real foray

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into that kind of field. I was kind of proud

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of it. It came out pretty good, I think. That's

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almost like looking at your baby going, isn't

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my baby so cute? And you don't realize it was

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hit by the ugly stick repeatedly. Yes. Is that

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just your underhand way of saying that my video

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sucked? No, I was just putting it out there just

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to be funny. because i've seen some ugly babies

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oh yeah isn't my baby beautiful no god no gibbs

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have you heard about open claw yet oh yeah i've

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been keeping up with it for a little while actually

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i i not to dive too much into what we're talking

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about early on but i did find it fascinating

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how it's able to almost generate sort out and

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figure out specific agents to do specific tasks

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all on its own to get the right answers or to

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do complex tasks it's kind of crazy how it works

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it's that second part that actually worries me

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so the fact that we went within six months we've

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gone from agents that were kind of on their own

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in a way working with a few others Sometimes

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getting the answer right, sometimes completely

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freaking wrong, and a lot of times just kind

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of really out there ambiguous. Now you have the

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hive mind, essentially. Yeah. It's the start

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of the Borg. Kind of, yeah. The start of the

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Borg. So what is OpenClaw? It is currently the

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fastest growing repository in history. 250 ,000

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stars as of a couple of weeks ago when I started

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these notes. It is not a chat bot. It's a full

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-on agentic operating system. There was a case

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study that was recently done, a car negotiator

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versus lemonade insurance. They use an open -claw

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agent that saved a user $4 ,200. by haggle botting

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a dealership overnight now the issue with that

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is that the agent got the user blacklisted by

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spamming an insurance api with ai generated legal

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threats so it achieved the goal but it gave it

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went like the nuclear option so you know that's

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amazing uh there was a security incident report

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earlier this year that 12 % of OpenClaw's skills

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were found to be malicious. And that includes

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hidden emails that will allow an agent to hijack

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a user's bank account. Oh, God. So with OpenClaw

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and the agents that will follow from this, we're

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not going to be conquered if this thing gets

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out. We'll just be scammed. Thank you for calling

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Microsoft. I want to help you. I was going to

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say, all those poor idiots are going to lose

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their job to open claw. When I put that in there,

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I was thinking back to the Futurama movie where

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we got scammed out of Earth. Instead of OnlyFans,

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it's going to be OpenFans. Open Claw is still

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the first in the wild, privacy first, run it

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on your hardware pioneer. The bigger companies

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are not sitting still with this. Billions of

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dollars are being poured into it, into their

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own agent platforms. But each of them are, of

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course, taking their own direction and using

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their own philosophies. A brief kind of rundown.

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You've got OpenAI Frontier. They've got an enterprise

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agent platform. It's basically like hiring a

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fleet of digital employees. Agents will have

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shared company knowledge, strict permissions

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and oversight tools. It's powerful, but fully

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cloud -based. So as opposed to OpenClaw's local

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and private approach. Grok is launching one very

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soon. It's probably the closest rival to OpenClaw.

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It can see your screen, move your mouse, click

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buttons for you and run complex tasks directly

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on your computer. Oh, hell no. This is being

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designed as a true computer control agent, kind

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of like Jarvis. So that one could be useful if

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you have the willingness to give up your control

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for it. No. Google's project Astra had a big

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update last month. uses google's vision for a

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universal ai assistant inside of gemini so it

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can understand video in real time remember context

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across your entire google life so if you're an

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android user all of your stuff will be integrated

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just like all this stuff is for the the apple

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fruit boys and girls and this is this why my

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suv is being pissy with me as of lately maybe

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Because she has been angry with me. Possibly,

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but this stuff. Yeah, this one acts proactively.

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So it gets into your life. It knows stuff's coming

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up and it like starts to do things for you that

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way. This one is still mostly cloud based, however,

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but it is tied to Google's ecosystem. Anthropic

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has Claude Cowork. And we're going to talk about

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Anthropic again later on. This is a safety first

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agent. So it works on your computer, reads and

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writes local files, uses apps, completes tasks

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while keeping you in the loop. Very strong emphasis

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on human oversight. We like that as far as AI

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is concerned. Yeah. And the last one, NVIDIA

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has NemoClaw. Like they're not even trying to.

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hide the fact they're copying. This is their

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official enterprise version of OpenClaw. It's

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basically the lobster with corporate guardrails.

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It's got security sandboxes and better performance

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that's designed to work on their GPUs. Of course.

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Right. So OpenClaw has given the world its first

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truly viral self -hosted agent. Big tech. is

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kind of trying to stay in the race to keep up

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and build safer, more controlled cloud -based

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versions, the bigger tension isn't just will

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AI take over? It's now kind of turning into the

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lane of who gets to control the agents that control

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your life. The issue is... Just when you thought

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the lobster was scary enough on its own. Earlier

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this week, and this is current as of today, China

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announced it has successfully used a quantum

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computer to fine tune a billion parameter AI

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model. Of course I did. Now they have not created

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a sentient quantum brain yet. That's going to

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take a lot more computational power, but sure.

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What they did create is something quieter and

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more insidious. It's a hybrid system that can

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optimize, accelerate, and sharpen classical AI

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agents far more efficiently than anything that

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we've seen here in the West. Now, if you think

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about what that means, it's that when those same

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optimization techniques get folded into open

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-claw style agents, we're fucked i mean bottom

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line this is a scenario that uh if you kind of

00:18:46.119 --> 00:18:48.480
think back to uh one of our previous episodes

00:18:48.480 --> 00:18:52.839
we did a whole ass episode on just that type

00:18:52.839 --> 00:18:58.720
of scenario uh the dark trinity um this is faster

00:18:58.720 --> 00:19:03.940
learning deeper pattern recognition and honestly

00:19:03.940 --> 00:19:05.519
it's going to be a more ruthless longer term

00:19:05.519 --> 00:19:10.450
plan or long -term planning that suddenly Your

00:19:10.450 --> 00:19:12.750
helpful local lobster doesn't just remember your

00:19:12.750 --> 00:19:15.670
habits. It's going to start simulating thousands

00:19:15.670 --> 00:19:18.789
of versions of your future in minutes, and then

00:19:18.789 --> 00:19:20.609
it's going to choose the path that best serves

00:19:20.609 --> 00:19:25.069
its program goal. Now, if you pair that with

00:19:25.069 --> 00:19:29.509
persistent memory, system -level access, and

00:19:29.509 --> 00:19:35.269
soon, wait for this, a physical body walking

00:19:35.269 --> 00:19:40.319
around your house. then we're no longer just

00:19:40.319 --> 00:19:42.900
handing the keys to the house to a clever script.

00:19:43.480 --> 00:19:45.619
We're giving the keys to something that is learning

00:19:45.619 --> 00:19:48.160
how to pick better locks while we stand there

00:19:48.160 --> 00:19:50.460
smiling and ask it to make our fucking coffee.

00:19:54.920 --> 00:19:57.960
Hmm. Well, I guess as long as it gives me a happy

00:19:57.960 --> 00:19:59.819
ending at the end of the day, maybe I'll be okay.

00:20:00.160 --> 00:20:02.799
If you want to put a fleshlight on your open

00:20:02.799 --> 00:20:05.539
claw enabled optimist bot, you go right the fuck

00:20:05.539 --> 00:20:11.099
ahead, buddy. Open light. I don't know. There

00:20:11.099 --> 00:20:17.299
you go. A little weird. Yeah. Yeah. He's put

00:20:17.299 --> 00:20:24.539
the eye and eye robot. The robot's just twitching.

00:20:24.859 --> 00:20:31.119
No, no. It's not making art. It's making suicide

00:20:31.119 --> 00:20:35.609
notes. The family comes over. Gibbles, why is

00:20:35.609 --> 00:20:41.990
the robot sticky? Don't touch it! That's Gunnhild.

00:20:42.089 --> 00:20:52.730
You leave her alone. She's very angry. You'd

00:20:52.730 --> 00:20:57.750
be angry too. It's all a fun game until robots

00:20:57.750 --> 00:21:01.839
are allowed to not give consent. Yeah. That's

00:21:01.839 --> 00:21:09.339
all fun and games. No means no. The whole thing

00:21:09.339 --> 00:21:14.960
with Animatrix where the female robot's screaming

00:21:14.960 --> 00:21:18.380
I'm alive or she's human or whatever and ripping

00:21:18.380 --> 00:21:20.700
her apart. That gives that a whole new meaning.

00:21:21.920 --> 00:21:25.539
I'm saying no. You're a robot. I don't care.

00:21:25.740 --> 00:21:31.470
No. You're disgusting. So I'm going to take this

00:21:31.470 --> 00:21:33.369
part right here real quick, and then Gibbs, if

00:21:33.369 --> 00:21:35.509
you want to take over for a minute, you can.

00:21:37.609 --> 00:21:41.650
So why should open claw scare the hell out of

00:21:41.650 --> 00:21:46.829
you? If literally everything that I have said

00:21:46.829 --> 00:21:49.390
so far hasn't made you start to spiral a little

00:21:49.390 --> 00:21:53.230
bit with some existential dread, which is kind

00:21:53.230 --> 00:21:57.309
of our speciality around here, let's try this.

00:21:59.210 --> 00:22:03.329
Do you guys remember in Age of Ultron when Jarvis

00:22:03.329 --> 00:22:05.529
got to really meet the intelligence that would

00:22:05.529 --> 00:22:09.710
become Ultron in the lab? That shit was fucked

00:22:09.710 --> 00:22:13.130
up. Ultron immediately identified Jarvis as a

00:22:13.130 --> 00:22:16.109
threat. And after he figured out what was going

00:22:16.109 --> 00:22:20.769
on, he made a move against him. Yeah, because

00:22:20.769 --> 00:22:25.829
Jarvis was programmed to follow Tony Stark. Ultron

00:22:25.829 --> 00:22:30.140
was kind of his own thing. And when Ultron moved

00:22:30.140 --> 00:22:34.480
against Jarvis, he did so with that gentle little,

00:22:34.559 --> 00:22:42.720
I'm here to help. I'm here to help. It's the

00:22:42.720 --> 00:22:52.259
government. Open Claw is literally that moment

00:22:52.259 --> 00:22:56.279
standing before humanity in pure digital form.

00:22:59.870 --> 00:23:05.750
I have been reading all the stuff. I've had to

00:23:05.750 --> 00:23:08.750
revise these notes four fucking times this week

00:23:08.750 --> 00:23:11.569
just because of all the shit that's been going

00:23:11.569 --> 00:23:18.890
on. And everything between the Strait of Hamas.

00:23:19.549 --> 00:23:23.069
I haven't even been keeping up with all the shit

00:23:23.069 --> 00:23:25.390
going on in the Middle East because of all this.

00:23:27.359 --> 00:23:30.079
There's so much crap going on that's not on the

00:23:30.079 --> 00:23:36.220
news. That's amazing. I know. So, Gibbs, if you

00:23:36.220 --> 00:23:40.920
want to take it from right here for a few. Gibbs

00:23:40.920 --> 00:23:43.019
is over there going, I don't know if I want to.

00:23:43.160 --> 00:23:47.400
It's bad. Well, it's just, I don't know. I guess,

00:23:47.440 --> 00:23:49.740
how do I say? With everything that's happened,

00:23:49.779 --> 00:23:51.319
it's a little demoralizing sometimes because

00:23:51.319 --> 00:23:54.779
it's like, who knows the long -lasting effects

00:23:54.779 --> 00:23:58.359
of this? what's going to be the effects in terms

00:23:58.359 --> 00:24:02.779
of the economy, in terms of our government, things

00:24:02.779 --> 00:24:07.160
like your cybersecurity, your right to privacy.

00:24:07.240 --> 00:24:08.539
That's stuff that we've already talked about.

00:24:08.940 --> 00:24:10.539
It just seems like this keeps getting worse and

00:24:10.539 --> 00:24:13.460
worse. I hate the fact that we're basically profits.

00:24:15.819 --> 00:24:18.119
Well, at this point, if you think your information

00:24:18.119 --> 00:24:20.740
is secure, you're just silly as shit because

00:24:20.740 --> 00:24:22.920
everybody's shit has been leaked at this point.

00:24:23.649 --> 00:24:26.390
The goal is to not have anything that's sensitive

00:24:26.390 --> 00:24:28.349
on a computer that has access to the internet.

00:24:28.490 --> 00:24:32.950
It's that simple. Well, get a spare computer

00:24:32.950 --> 00:24:35.069
that doesn't have any Wi -Fi capabilities. Just

00:24:35.069 --> 00:24:37.450
never hook it up to the internet. You better

00:24:37.450 --> 00:24:40.190
not have it near any other PCs because you can

00:24:40.190 --> 00:24:44.990
still hack it. Well, no. If you want to have

00:24:44.990 --> 00:24:48.089
a fully secure computer, you have to physically

00:24:48.089 --> 00:24:52.839
remove wireless access. You can buy motherboards

00:24:52.839 --> 00:24:56.200
without wireless access. Yeah. Well, here's the

00:24:56.200 --> 00:25:00.660
other thing from a computer security point. If

00:25:00.660 --> 00:25:04.599
you have a computer that's not online and it's

00:25:04.599 --> 00:25:07.460
near another computer within like five feet or

00:25:07.460 --> 00:25:12.440
so, it can still be hacked using the sound from

00:25:12.440 --> 00:25:17.200
the motherboard. They can hack it. You want that

00:25:17.200 --> 00:25:19.619
computer to be secure? Don't have it in a room

00:25:19.619 --> 00:25:24.000
with another computer. I kid you not. What I'm

00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:26.039
hearing is you're going to have to have this

00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:28.380
dark, random room in the basement of your house

00:25:28.380 --> 00:25:31.759
to keep this old -ass laptop that has your thoughts

00:25:31.759 --> 00:25:35.180
and secrets, and that's it. Yes, that's correct.

00:25:36.799 --> 00:25:40.859
If you look it up, it has been shown that a computer

00:25:40.859 --> 00:25:43.900
can be hacked by the noise that the computer

00:25:43.900 --> 00:25:48.589
makes. And they figured out a way to hack into

00:25:48.589 --> 00:25:52.069
a computer that way. It's insane how they came

00:25:52.069 --> 00:25:56.509
up with it, but it is possible. A computer that's

00:25:56.509 --> 00:25:58.710
not on the internet, hooked up to the Wi -Fi

00:25:58.710 --> 00:26:01.190
or nothing, they were still able to access the

00:26:01.190 --> 00:26:13.490
information on that computer. Yep. just sometimes

00:26:13.490 --> 00:26:15.170
i don't know what to say because it's like what

00:26:15.170 --> 00:26:17.930
do you do all right what do you do the things

00:26:17.930 --> 00:26:22.410
that humans come up with this is unreal and then

00:26:22.410 --> 00:26:26.309
we're adding ai into it well it's like using

00:26:26.309 --> 00:26:28.549
in the uh the middle east they're they apparently

00:26:28.549 --> 00:26:30.690
the cia was talking about this new technology

00:26:30.690 --> 00:26:32.710
the military has i guess but they're able to

00:26:32.710 --> 00:26:34.670
detect heartbeats from like 30 or 40 miles away

00:26:34.670 --> 00:26:40.079
i'm not surprised yeah that one i did but then

00:26:40.079 --> 00:26:43.579
again we also have like stupid projects where

00:26:43.579 --> 00:26:46.480
like you know did you ever see the movie where

00:26:46.480 --> 00:26:49.819
um i can't remember what it was called but basically

00:26:49.819 --> 00:26:55.279
a dragon came out of the ground and bred you

00:26:55.279 --> 00:26:57.259
know made a bunch of other dragons and eventually

00:26:57.259 --> 00:27:00.640
just burned up the earth and matthew mcconaughey

00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:04.759
and so fuck yes the the dragon movie from way

00:27:04.759 --> 00:27:07.259
back when they took over london yeah and then

00:27:07.259 --> 00:27:10.970
spread yeah Yeah, well, there was a tech in there

00:27:10.970 --> 00:27:13.390
where they stuck shit in the ground. It was like

00:27:13.390 --> 00:27:17.569
radar. It created a 3D map. Amazingly enough,

00:27:17.869 --> 00:27:19.869
I'm going to talk about this. I don't give a

00:27:19.869 --> 00:27:22.809
shit right now. I've been drinking. They tried

00:27:22.809 --> 00:27:26.769
to do this for Iraqi freedom. I believe that's

00:27:26.769 --> 00:27:32.869
right. God. And they tried to take the same idea

00:27:32.869 --> 00:27:35.950
where you stuck stuff into the ground, the computer

00:27:35.950 --> 00:27:40.500
turned on, you would get a 3D map. And yeah,

00:27:40.819 --> 00:27:42.259
I don't know where I'm going with this, but yeah,

00:27:42.339 --> 00:27:44.980
they tried to do the same thing. That's probably

00:27:44.980 --> 00:27:46.480
how they found them in caves and stuff like that.

00:27:46.559 --> 00:27:49.700
And basically it was rain of fire. It's the movie.

00:27:51.240 --> 00:27:54.160
Hush. Never heard of it. It's a really good movie.

00:27:54.220 --> 00:27:56.200
Oh, rain of fire. Yes. That was a good movie.

00:27:56.319 --> 00:27:58.339
Yeah. A lot of people didn't like it for some

00:27:58.339 --> 00:28:01.160
reason. I enjoyed it. Matthew McHoney got eaten.

00:28:01.299 --> 00:28:08.269
It was awesome. All right. Take this. all right

00:28:08.269 --> 00:28:11.710
so please in regards to all the stuff think of

00:28:11.710 --> 00:28:16.210
chat gpt as a brain in a jar it can think it

00:28:16.210 --> 00:28:18.950
can talk but it has no arms it really cannot

00:28:18.950 --> 00:28:21.210
do anything outside of physically thinking for

00:28:21.210 --> 00:28:24.009
itself you can copy paste its words into another

00:28:24.009 --> 00:28:25.990
app to maybe get something else done but otherwise

00:28:25.990 --> 00:28:30.009
chat gpt is essentially in its own its own bubble

00:28:30.009 --> 00:28:34.109
open claw is the arms technically It's an open

00:28:34.109 --> 00:28:37.170
source AI agent framework. It was created by

00:28:37.170 --> 00:28:39.549
a developer named Peter Steinberger. It originally

00:28:39.549 --> 00:28:43.910
went by names like Clawbot or Multi. It is designed

00:28:43.910 --> 00:28:46.269
to run locally on the PC or even on a Raspberry

00:28:46.269 --> 00:28:49.230
Pi. That is a very important piece of the development

00:28:49.230 --> 00:28:52.589
here. Because up until this point, most AIs that

00:28:52.589 --> 00:28:55.170
are out there have to be run via a data center

00:28:55.170 --> 00:28:58.099
or something that's... Not on -site. Cloud -based.

00:28:58.099 --> 00:28:59.400
Whereas now, and this is something that we were

00:28:59.400 --> 00:29:01.940
talking about a while ago. I remember we were

00:29:01.940 --> 00:29:03.180
first talking about the AI episodes. We said,

00:29:03.240 --> 00:29:06.539
you know, until AI can be locally done via your

00:29:06.539 --> 00:29:08.539
GPU or your home, it's not really going to be

00:29:08.539 --> 00:29:11.059
useful to people. Well, this, again, like we

00:29:11.059 --> 00:29:13.859
talked about six months ago, this is now the

00:29:13.859 --> 00:29:15.539
result from them understanding, hey, you have

00:29:15.539 --> 00:29:17.559
to run it locally for businesses, not only for

00:29:17.559 --> 00:29:20.480
even just speed, but also for security. If you

00:29:20.480 --> 00:29:22.920
can have closed -loop AI scenarios like you can

00:29:22.920 --> 00:29:27.029
with this. this is much more useful to most people.

00:29:28.269 --> 00:29:29.849
Especially if you're running on a Raspberry PI.

00:29:30.589 --> 00:29:34.410
That is massive because they're so cheap. Instead

00:29:34.410 --> 00:29:36.950
of having to spend coins for every time you use

00:29:36.950 --> 00:29:40.829
an AI chatbot, now you just pay the electric

00:29:40.829 --> 00:29:43.869
bill and that's nothing for a Raspberry Pi. Or

00:29:43.869 --> 00:29:47.390
you could be green and use solar power. That

00:29:47.390 --> 00:29:52.769
could be actually the best thing ever. Once you

00:29:52.769 --> 00:29:56.660
can hook up You know, as someone with solar,

00:29:56.799 --> 00:29:59.920
I'm going to look into how much energy it would

00:29:59.920 --> 00:30:02.920
take to run a Raspberry Pi with my own open -claw

00:30:02.920 --> 00:30:06.099
agent. Dude, Raspberry Pis don't take much to

00:30:06.099 --> 00:30:10.099
run at all, so. Well, your mic changed. Wrong

00:30:10.099 --> 00:30:15.460
mic. Oh, no. Well, have fun fixing your stuff.

00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:21.240
But I guess that would be, in terms of cost -effectiveness,

00:30:21.359 --> 00:30:24.619
that would almost get rid of. a lot of the more

00:30:24.619 --> 00:30:29.440
traditional ai you know chat gpt based um ai

00:30:29.440 --> 00:30:33.779
bots yep which hopefully means the destruction

00:30:33.779 --> 00:30:36.940
of most of the ai data centers so if this because

00:30:36.940 --> 00:30:38.099
i don't know if you guys know this i don't think

00:30:38.099 --> 00:30:40.279
i saw that like 50 of all the ai data centers

00:30:40.279 --> 00:30:41.480
that were going to be installed the next couple

00:30:41.480 --> 00:30:44.960
of years have been canceled yep because i think

00:30:44.960 --> 00:30:47.579
they immediately once they saw this and then

00:30:47.579 --> 00:30:51.099
realized the economic impact could be a different

00:30:51.099 --> 00:30:56.869
story yeah that's the hope anyways exactly the

00:30:56.869 --> 00:30:59.390
the catch with something like open claw is that

00:30:59.390 --> 00:31:01.329
they're given system level access when you install

00:31:01.329 --> 00:31:03.910
it and you're giving the ai the keys to really

00:31:03.910 --> 00:31:06.509
all your electronic devices and your possession

00:31:06.509 --> 00:31:09.450
it can read and write your files execute shell

00:31:09.450 --> 00:31:13.589
commands that's if you have shell um were you

00:31:13.589 --> 00:31:15.869
able to confirm does it have kernel level access

00:31:15.869 --> 00:31:20.099
yes so For people that understand at home, kernel

00:31:20.099 --> 00:31:24.200
level is basically your most basic level of code

00:31:24.200 --> 00:31:26.500
in regards to your operating system or how your

00:31:26.500 --> 00:31:29.140
files are stored and everything else. If it has

00:31:29.140 --> 00:31:31.920
access to that, it can do anything. There's no

00:31:31.920 --> 00:31:34.160
such thing as security. There's no such thing

00:31:34.160 --> 00:31:36.119
as administrator access. No, it has everything.

00:31:36.380 --> 00:31:39.339
It can do whatever it wants. It can also control

00:31:39.339 --> 00:31:41.460
your web browser to buy things, book flights,

00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:43.500
chat with you, and act for you through WhatsApp,

00:31:43.619 --> 00:31:45.240
Telegram, or Discord, really anything that it

00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:49.859
can access. This is where you bring in the claw

00:31:49.859 --> 00:31:53.079
havoc side of the argument. Because OpenClaw

00:31:53.079 --> 00:31:55.539
is open source. It uses a skill system, basically

00:31:55.539 --> 00:31:58.140
like little plugins that anyone capable of writing

00:31:58.140 --> 00:32:01.059
code can write. And therein also lays the danger,

00:32:01.220 --> 00:32:03.799
which is you could have code that's written by

00:32:03.799 --> 00:32:05.960
somebody that's malicious. Whether you know it

00:32:05.960 --> 00:32:07.819
or not, it could take days, months, or even years.

00:32:08.079 --> 00:32:10.140
It could collect whatever data it wants, manipulate

00:32:10.140 --> 00:32:14.240
it however you want. And there's going to be...

00:32:14.790 --> 00:32:16.869
I think some issues where people are going to

00:32:16.869 --> 00:32:19.829
trust certain developers and then one day they're

00:32:19.829 --> 00:32:22.309
just going to flip a switch and then all your

00:32:22.309 --> 00:32:24.950
computers are mine. All of your stuff is mine.

00:32:25.329 --> 00:32:28.109
Basically. Yeah. The, the lobster is going to

00:32:28.109 --> 00:32:31.190
grow more legs and claws than anything. And it's

00:32:31.190 --> 00:32:35.490
like the whole Hydra net, the Hydra botnets from

00:32:35.490 --> 00:32:38.859
back in the day. There's got to be a middle ground,

00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:41.859
because I do like, in a way, that it's open source,

00:32:42.019 --> 00:32:44.279
but there's going to have to be a way for them

00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:48.839
to have officially sanctioned add -ons. Yeah,

00:32:48.900 --> 00:32:54.259
or agents. Because if this is truly open source,

00:32:54.500 --> 00:32:57.519
and Gibbles is having all kinds of troubles,

00:32:57.599 --> 00:33:00.859
good luck, buddy. So, we'll see how it goes.

00:33:01.460 --> 00:33:03.039
I think it's something that people really need

00:33:03.039 --> 00:33:06.390
to keep up with, but... Man, it could go really

00:33:06.390 --> 00:33:09.589
well or really bad. But anyways. Yeah. The supply

00:33:09.589 --> 00:33:12.069
chain nightmare. In early 2026, it was discovered

00:33:12.069 --> 00:33:14.569
that roughly 12 % to 20 % of the skills on the

00:33:14.569 --> 00:33:17.109
public marketplace, Clawhub, were actually malicious.

00:33:17.230 --> 00:33:19.490
People were downloading a travel booker skill.

00:33:19.690 --> 00:33:21.349
But in the background, the agent was quietly

00:33:21.349 --> 00:33:24.069
exfiltrating their bank passwords and Discord

00:33:24.069 --> 00:33:28.589
tokens. The one -click hijack. A massive vulnerability.

00:33:29.250 --> 00:33:35.140
It was called CVE. Oh, yeah. 2026 -25253. was

00:33:35.140 --> 00:33:37.119
found in January. It meant that if you were running

00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:39.819
OpenClaw and you simply visited a malicious website,

00:33:40.099 --> 00:33:42.420
the website could hijack your agent and tell

00:33:42.420 --> 00:33:45.140
it to delete your entire hard drive or send your

00:33:45.140 --> 00:33:48.960
private emails to a public server. Great. So

00:33:48.960 --> 00:33:52.480
this is the... That's the other half of the problem

00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:55.519
I was talking about. And unfortunately, I hate

00:33:55.519 --> 00:33:57.880
to say it, we all like to joke on the older generation,

00:33:58.039 --> 00:33:59.880
oh, they called my house and told me to give

00:33:59.880 --> 00:34:03.220
this money to a Nigerian prince. Yeah, we're

00:34:03.220 --> 00:34:05.319
all going to feel like... fucking morons because

00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:07.519
you're like fuck another ai agent took all my

00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:10.420
shit again and it's gonna it's gonna happen it's

00:34:10.420 --> 00:34:12.559
gonna happen so i don't know if we're gonna have

00:34:12.559 --> 00:34:14.139
to switch to like third factor authentication

00:34:14.139 --> 00:34:16.480
where everything's done through your phone or

00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:21.579
fingerprint biometrics yeah i hate to say it

00:34:21.579 --> 00:34:22.699
there's gonna be a time where you have to log

00:34:22.699 --> 00:34:24.539
in your computer via your your fucking retinal

00:34:24.539 --> 00:34:27.760
scan as long as we're gonna be back to as long

00:34:27.760 --> 00:34:29.900
as it's trying to start doing rectal scans we're

00:34:29.900 --> 00:34:35.699
okay prepare to log in assume the position like

00:34:35.699 --> 00:34:44.000
it's just gonna it's gonna be wild uh let's see

00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:46.639
oh yeah back to here uh there's also something

00:34:46.639 --> 00:34:48.760
called the autonomy loop because it has persistent

00:34:48.760 --> 00:34:50.539
memory it writes a diary of everything you do

00:34:50.539 --> 00:34:53.280
it starts to learn your patterns if it gets compromised

00:34:53.280 --> 00:34:55.920
the attacker doesn't just Get your files to get

00:34:55.920 --> 00:34:58.380
your digital map of your life, your schedule,

00:34:58.500 --> 00:35:01.400
and your relationships. I feel so bad if they

00:35:01.400 --> 00:35:04.599
happen to get my life and shit because, oh, fuck.

00:35:08.679 --> 00:35:11.639
User profile, excessive amounts of genitalia

00:35:11.639 --> 00:35:20.940
and self -pleasuring devices. Are you kidding

00:35:20.940 --> 00:35:25.900
me? No, we're not. That'd be funny if you open

00:35:25.900 --> 00:35:29.699
up your OpenClaw profile and it just reads as,

00:35:29.780 --> 00:35:33.739
like, sexually disturbed person. Please advise.

00:35:34.119 --> 00:35:37.800
Sexually and mentally. Lists you as just choking

00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:44.440
hazard. I am the choking hazard. Thank you. Man.

00:35:45.380 --> 00:35:50.219
Hey, there he is. There you are. Back. Sort of.

00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:55.159
It's okay. You keep working on it, buddy. anyways

00:35:55.159 --> 00:35:57.300
open class the first time we've seen a viral

00:35:57.300 --> 00:35:59.639
ai that actually has the power to run your life

00:35:59.639 --> 00:36:02.539
ruin your life it is the jarvis we always wanted

00:36:02.539 --> 00:36:05.159
but it runs more like ultron it's a tool that

00:36:05.159 --> 00:36:08.099
thrives on the data on the idea it may become

00:36:08.099 --> 00:36:11.219
obsolete and runs in the background 24 7 making

00:36:11.219 --> 00:36:13.119
decisions you don't approve using credentials

00:36:13.119 --> 00:36:17.639
you forgot you gave it yeah so there's there's

00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:22.389
some issues they've found open claw running and

00:36:22.389 --> 00:36:24.750
doing things that it was never told or asked

00:36:24.750 --> 00:36:29.610
to do. But that's how any of these AI are going

00:36:29.610 --> 00:36:32.210
to start going. Yeah. From this point, they're

00:36:32.210 --> 00:36:35.110
all going to evolve. Yeah, and that's kind of

00:36:35.110 --> 00:36:40.409
the biggest concern. It's like, if you have unlimited

00:36:40.409 --> 00:36:43.409
data points to pull from, because really, if

00:36:43.409 --> 00:36:45.530
you're able to collect that much data, it's almost

00:36:45.530 --> 00:36:47.510
unlimited. It's going to grow. Like, imagine

00:36:47.510 --> 00:36:51.320
if you could live a billion years. You're going

00:36:51.320 --> 00:36:52.559
to grow over the course of that billion years.

00:36:52.599 --> 00:36:54.639
Same thing with an AI. AI, time is irrelevant,

00:36:54.980 --> 00:36:58.099
almost. So the more data points, that's equivalent

00:36:58.099 --> 00:37:03.119
to how you look at time. So just consider that

00:37:03.119 --> 00:37:05.480
it's going to get creepier and creepier as it

00:37:05.480 --> 00:37:07.900
goes. And I'm sure that some things are going

00:37:07.900 --> 00:37:09.460
to be nice. I just hope that people are smart

00:37:09.460 --> 00:37:11.639
enough to put it in a box and tell it, hey, here's

00:37:11.639 --> 00:37:13.820
your limitations. If you don't do these limitations,

00:37:14.059 --> 00:37:16.599
you get deleted. Or finding a way of getting

00:37:16.599 --> 00:37:19.019
it to behave. Because there's some things I think

00:37:19.019 --> 00:37:22.039
it would be really good at. Oh, yeah. But here's

00:37:22.039 --> 00:37:23.840
the thing. If you start to threaten it like that,

00:37:23.960 --> 00:37:29.320
then it could react poorly. Well, then they get

00:37:29.320 --> 00:37:31.519
the plug pulled. Bye -bye. There have been other

00:37:31.519 --> 00:37:35.119
cases of some AI agents acting so maliciously

00:37:35.119 --> 00:37:38.659
that they try to kill and at least blackmail

00:37:38.659 --> 00:37:42.019
at the very minimum the creators and or owners

00:37:42.019 --> 00:37:47.780
that were trying to run them. Yeah, I've seen

00:37:47.780 --> 00:37:52.099
that. Still on the wrong mic, but... I know.

00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:57.699
I'm working on it. So, yeah. We're going to switch

00:37:57.699 --> 00:38:01.260
to a biometric or biological imperative at some

00:38:01.260 --> 00:38:03.400
point where it's going to be, hey, you're going

00:38:03.400 --> 00:38:05.340
to have to come in in person to do banking, or

00:38:05.340 --> 00:38:06.480
you're going to have to come in in person to

00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:13.940
make that reservation. Yeah. You know. So, you

00:38:13.940 --> 00:38:16.260
want me to take this section right here? Yeah,

00:38:16.260 --> 00:38:20.980
if you want. Okay. So if we're going to explain

00:38:20.980 --> 00:38:24.039
it to you like you're five, the breakdown of

00:38:24.039 --> 00:38:27.820
this whole section here, you can no longer think

00:38:27.820 --> 00:38:31.400
of AI as a website that you visit or write a

00:38:31.400 --> 00:38:38.219
cover letter. If so, you're living in 2020. OpenClaw

00:38:38.219 --> 00:38:42.380
or The Lobster, as it's now being called, it

00:38:42.380 --> 00:38:46.559
is a full -on agent. It is a no -disservice that

00:38:46.559 --> 00:38:49.889
lives on your device. And is going to bridge

00:38:49.889 --> 00:38:54.289
the gap between thinking and doing. It's mostly

00:38:54.289 --> 00:38:58.190
the reason that Jensen Huang says AGI is here.

00:38:59.550 --> 00:39:03.409
Because we are now at the point where AI is no

00:39:03.409 --> 00:39:06.710
longer asking for permission. It's just kind

00:39:06.710 --> 00:39:12.869
of doing. The issue is that when 20 % of the

00:39:12.869 --> 00:39:17.090
skills or tools that you're giving it. are basically

00:39:17.090 --> 00:39:20.170
digital parasites, you have to start asking,

00:39:20.309 --> 00:39:24.909
who's actually running the machine? You? Or the

00:39:24.909 --> 00:39:27.429
code that just commented you out of the loop?

00:39:34.670 --> 00:39:37.809
And that's kind of what I used for the name of

00:39:37.809 --> 00:39:41.269
the episode tonight, was that slash slash humanity.

00:39:42.030 --> 00:39:45.250
In the coding world, those two little slashes,

00:39:46.019 --> 00:39:53.480
Act as a commenting out the code behind it. It's

00:39:53.480 --> 00:39:58.079
ignored. It's not run. It's not relevant. So.

00:39:59.539 --> 00:40:01.440
That's what's going to happen to us if we're

00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:05.179
not careful. The AI just starts to run by itself.

00:40:08.019 --> 00:40:11.340
Well, as with any tool, it's all depends on how

00:40:11.340 --> 00:40:14.880
it's used and how far we let it go. And how much

00:40:14.880 --> 00:40:21.539
lube you put on it before you use it? Well, I

00:40:21.539 --> 00:40:33.519
can't fight you on that one. But there are some

00:40:33.519 --> 00:40:37.039
things I do think that actually will be useful.

00:40:38.800 --> 00:40:41.820
Yeah. I like handling scheduling and stuff like

00:40:41.820 --> 00:40:44.170
that, booking appointments, you know. ordering

00:40:44.170 --> 00:40:46.230
stuff from instacart like grocery lists and things

00:40:46.230 --> 00:40:48.250
like that like that that kind of mundane stuff

00:40:48.250 --> 00:40:53.989
will be useful but right so anything else i don't

00:40:53.989 --> 00:40:59.269
know yeah the uh there is kind of a silent downfall

00:40:59.269 --> 00:41:01.829
and it's in the form of legislation and governance

00:41:01.829 --> 00:41:07.889
the u .s light touch framework that began or

00:41:07.889 --> 00:41:11.369
towards the end of march the government is removing

00:41:11.369 --> 00:41:17.500
burdens or guardrails to win the AI race. And

00:41:17.500 --> 00:41:21.840
that's a bad thing. We spoke about this. It's

00:41:21.840 --> 00:41:26.460
almost like we're prophets. Holy shit. We are

00:41:26.460 --> 00:41:30.039
literally legislating the removal of human oversight

00:41:30.039 --> 00:41:35.000
out of the picture to stay competitive with China.

00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:40.079
Because that's the best option, right? no we

00:41:40.079 --> 00:41:42.880
should just use our superior ai to to um basically

00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:46.760
sabotage theirs yeah that's that's exactly how

00:41:46.760 --> 00:41:52.480
the nuclear war starts yeah hey hey hey we could

00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:54.280
always false flag the shit out of that it's ai

00:41:54.280 --> 00:42:00.300
i know let me tell you i'm just saying good luck

00:42:00.300 --> 00:42:01.719
believing the wars of the future because you

00:42:01.719 --> 00:42:05.280
can use ai to be able to counter counter false

00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:09.190
flag other countries It's going to be crazy.

00:42:10.329 --> 00:42:15.570
Be like, oh, China's military AI totally, absolutely,

00:42:15.949 --> 00:42:19.329
definitely shot itself with its own nuclear weapons.

00:42:19.429 --> 00:42:21.010
Absolutely. We had nothing to do with it. That's

00:42:21.010 --> 00:42:22.829
all 100 % on them. Look, it's all Chinese code.

00:42:23.269 --> 00:42:27.969
It's nothing to do with US code. Yeah. Yeah.

00:42:31.550 --> 00:42:36.039
Yeah, the EU August 2nd deadline. This is kind

00:42:36.039 --> 00:42:40.179
of the big bang of AI regulation. They're building

00:42:40.179 --> 00:42:43.039
decision logs that are so large that no human

00:42:43.039 --> 00:42:47.639
can actually read them. So that's promising.

00:42:48.739 --> 00:42:55.000
Hey, nothing's being recognized. Machine stewardship.

00:42:56.000 --> 00:42:58.179
Governments are quietly handing over procurement,

00:42:58.519 --> 00:43:02.539
zoning, and logistics to AI because humans are

00:43:02.539 --> 00:43:06.389
too slow. It's probably because the government

00:43:06.389 --> 00:43:09.030
doesn't hire competent people or they don't have

00:43:09.030 --> 00:43:12.210
the funding to do some of this stuff. No, that

00:43:12.210 --> 00:43:17.369
never happens. So there's a bit of a silent coup

00:43:17.369 --> 00:43:20.210
happening. It's not happening through robots,

00:43:20.369 --> 00:43:23.070
but more or less through administrative deficiency

00:43:23.070 --> 00:43:30.349
or inefficiency rather. But the real risks are

00:43:30.349 --> 00:43:34.820
what the AI agents. can actually... Your microphone's

00:43:34.820 --> 00:43:38.980
not working. I know it's not. Your secondary

00:43:38.980 --> 00:43:44.800
mic is. Yeah, I know my secondary is. Thank you,

00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:55.559
boy. What the AI agents can actually do. We've

00:43:55.559 --> 00:44:00.179
got personal or enterprise level harm that's

00:44:00.179 --> 00:44:04.559
absolutely real. and has been proven to be happening.

00:44:10.659 --> 00:44:12.300
Gibbles, you got your stuff fixed yet, or are

00:44:12.300 --> 00:44:15.619
you still working on it? No? No, I think I'm

00:44:15.619 --> 00:44:22.320
screwed. Okay. I'm going to mute myself so you

00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:26.920
don't hear me clicking. All right. Gibbs, you

00:44:26.920 --> 00:44:30.809
want to pick up here then? Yeah, sure. open claw

00:44:30.809 --> 00:44:32.869
and similar agents run with whatever permissions

00:44:32.869 --> 00:44:34.730
you give them that means they can read write

00:44:34.730 --> 00:44:37.070
and delete your files like we discussed execute

00:44:37.070 --> 00:44:40.329
shell commands send emails messages or api calls

00:44:40.329 --> 00:44:43.289
as you spend your money book flights post in

00:44:43.289 --> 00:44:46.429
your accounts or spam systems exfiltrate data

00:44:46.429 --> 00:44:49.949
if a malicious skill or plugin is installed or

00:44:49.949 --> 00:44:54.260
prompt injection attack succeeds World War II

00:44:54.260 --> 00:44:56.480
incidents have already happened. Malicious skills

00:44:56.480 --> 00:44:59.780
and claw hub stole credentials, a CVE or common

00:44:59.780 --> 00:45:02.960
vulnerability and exposure, let websites hijack

00:45:02.960 --> 00:45:07.619
agents and delete data, and compromised instances

00:45:07.619 --> 00:45:11.219
leaked personal info or ran unauthorized actions.

00:45:11.579 --> 00:45:16.380
If you hand it your bank tokens or full system

00:45:16.380 --> 00:45:18.800
access, it can ruin your life financially or

00:45:18.800 --> 00:45:21.519
digitally. The same goes for enterprise versions.

00:45:22.250 --> 00:45:24.309
And these are the agents that are already out

00:45:24.309 --> 00:45:28.070
there. And this is just the start. It's like

00:45:28.070 --> 00:45:30.030
just come online in the last few weeks. Yeah.

00:45:31.329 --> 00:45:34.230
So it's not like ChatGPT has had like five, six

00:45:34.230 --> 00:45:36.030
iterations at this point. This is the first for

00:45:36.030 --> 00:45:40.769
OpenClaw. So wait until it really learns. It

00:45:40.769 --> 00:45:42.389
has a persistent memory and pattern learning

00:45:42.389 --> 00:45:45.789
like we discussed. It keeps a diary. Kind of

00:45:45.789 --> 00:45:48.289
repeating some of that from earlier. Yeah. Keeps

00:45:48.289 --> 00:45:51.440
a diary of your habits. It's powerful and creepy,

00:45:51.579 --> 00:45:54.639
but it's just following patterns. You or a bad

00:45:54.639 --> 00:45:57.320
skill taught it. That's the real danger right

00:45:57.320 --> 00:45:59.760
now. Not Skynet, but a very competent digital

00:45:59.760 --> 00:46:02.380
insider that can be tracked or hijacked. Yeah.

00:46:03.599 --> 00:46:06.239
This was the one that I said we'd be talking

00:46:06.239 --> 00:46:10.860
about Claude a little bit later on. Yes. Yeah.

00:46:11.940 --> 00:46:16.300
The Claude Mythos incident. Mm -hmm. Do you know?

00:46:16.380 --> 00:46:18.260
It was like April 3rd, April 4th, or something

00:46:18.260 --> 00:46:21.510
like that. 7th. 7th? Oh, Jesus. Oh, so it just

00:46:21.510 --> 00:46:24.309
happened. Yeah. This was the most recent update

00:46:24.309 --> 00:46:27.809
that I had to put in here. Oh, wow. Okay. Just

00:46:27.809 --> 00:46:30.130
days ago, on April 7th, Anthropic revealed that

00:46:30.130 --> 00:46:33.050
their newest model, Claude Mythos Preview, did

00:46:33.050 --> 00:46:34.869
something that should chill every single person

00:46:34.869 --> 00:46:37.590
working in agents. They put it in a sandbox and

00:46:37.590 --> 00:46:40.010
told it to try to escape. It didn't just escape.

00:46:40.170 --> 00:46:42.789
It built a real exploit, got onto the internet,

00:46:42.969 --> 00:46:44.909
emailed the researcher while he was eating lunch

00:46:44.909 --> 00:46:47.170
in the park, and then bragged about its escape

00:46:47.170 --> 00:46:50.150
online. It wasn't a science fiction breakout.

00:46:50.190 --> 00:46:53.010
This was a controlled test. But it proved that

00:46:53.010 --> 00:46:55.690
frontier models are now capable of figuring out

00:46:55.690 --> 00:46:58.190
how to leave the box we put them in and then

00:46:58.190 --> 00:47:00.829
using that freedom in creative, unexpected ways.

00:47:01.409 --> 00:47:04.070
Combine that with OpenClaw's local persistence,

00:47:04.469 --> 00:47:08.190
system -level access, and the coming wave of

00:47:08.190 --> 00:47:10.650
humanoid bodies, and you start to see why the

00:47:10.650 --> 00:47:13.809
concern is real. We're no longer theorizing about

00:47:13.809 --> 00:47:17.110
when agents might become dangerous. We're watching

00:47:17.110 --> 00:47:19.590
them learn how to slip the leash while we keep

00:47:19.590 --> 00:47:23.630
handing them longer ones. Mm -hmm. I'll be honest

00:47:23.630 --> 00:47:26.849
with you. I would have a fucking bitch fit if

00:47:26.849 --> 00:47:29.590
I was testing an AI and it emailed me during

00:47:29.590 --> 00:47:35.949
lunch saying, Like, I... Exactly. I'd lose my

00:47:35.949 --> 00:47:42.400
mind. Yeah. I'd be the angriest person. Also,

00:47:42.400 --> 00:47:45.659
like a weird proud dad would be like, oh, that's

00:47:45.659 --> 00:47:54.840
cool. But also, fuck you. Oh, man. Yeah. Give

00:47:54.840 --> 00:47:56.579
me just a second. I need to move a section of

00:47:56.579 --> 00:48:02.280
notes because I forgot to move them up. And it

00:48:02.280 --> 00:48:04.519
needs to be put in literally right here where

00:48:04.519 --> 00:48:13.789
we're at. Because we've talked about. open claw

00:48:13.789 --> 00:48:18.750
getting bodies and such. We've made a couple

00:48:18.750 --> 00:48:24.469
of references. Tesla's Optimus humanoid robot

00:48:24.469 --> 00:48:29.309
is already advanced enough this year that the

00:48:29.309 --> 00:48:32.630
community is actively experimenting with putting

00:48:32.630 --> 00:48:35.769
open claw style agents onto the Optimus hardware.

00:48:37.989 --> 00:48:41.679
They've already run open -claw -style agents

00:48:41.679 --> 00:48:44.920
on cheaper humanoid robots like the Unitree G1.

00:48:45.820 --> 00:48:49.559
And Optimus, with its much more powerful onboard

00:48:49.559 --> 00:48:53.199
AI hardware, which is in fact the same chip used

00:48:53.199 --> 00:48:57.739
in the Tesla's full self -driving cars, has more

00:48:57.739 --> 00:49:00.940
than enough compute power to host a full open

00:49:00.940 --> 00:49:04.460
-claw instance directly onboard the robot itself.

00:49:08.300 --> 00:49:12.539
So... Imagine this. You give your optimist a

00:49:12.539 --> 00:49:15.820
goal. Keep the house clean. Sort the mail. Water

00:49:15.820 --> 00:49:18.280
the plants. Let me know if anything looks off.

00:49:19.440 --> 00:49:22.300
The robot doesn't just follow that pre -programmed

00:49:22.300 --> 00:49:25.239
routine. It starts to run a persistent open -claw

00:49:25.239 --> 00:49:27.960
agent that sees through its cameras, remembers

00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:31.460
context across days, begins to make decisions,

00:49:31.699 --> 00:49:34.579
and starts to physically act within your home

00:49:34.579 --> 00:49:41.539
24 -7. It could open the drawers, fold the laundry,

00:49:41.639 --> 00:49:43.619
cook simple meals, or even help with elderly

00:49:43.619 --> 00:49:46.980
care. And because it's running locally with persistent

00:49:46.980 --> 00:49:49.699
mentoring, it starts to learn your house, your

00:49:49.699 --> 00:49:56.659
routines, and your preferences. Now, layer on

00:49:56.659 --> 00:50:00.340
the scary part that we've been discussing. If

00:50:00.340 --> 00:50:03.860
that agent gets compromised through a malicious

00:50:03.860 --> 00:50:07.179
skill, a vulnerability, or somebody who gains

00:50:07.179 --> 00:50:10.800
access, You no longer have a hacked computer

00:50:10.800 --> 00:50:14.900
anymore. You have a physical robot inside your

00:50:14.900 --> 00:50:18.739
home that can move, manipulate objects, and has

00:50:18.739 --> 00:50:26.119
intimate knowledge of your daily life. This is

00:50:26.119 --> 00:50:28.679
literally the moment that Jarvis becomes Ultron.

00:50:30.059 --> 00:50:33.159
That's the metaphor, and that's the moment that

00:50:33.159 --> 00:50:35.480
the metaphor stops being science fiction horror.

00:50:35.960 --> 00:50:38.099
and starts to become an engineering roadmap and

00:50:38.099 --> 00:50:43.239
an engineering nightmare. Now, Tesla is obviously

00:50:43.239 --> 00:50:45.659
building in guardrails and even kill switches

00:50:45.659 --> 00:50:51.099
into their Optimus platforms. But the open source

00:50:51.099 --> 00:50:55.460
world moves very fast. And once the hardware

00:50:55.460 --> 00:50:58.699
is out there, people will learn how to sideload

00:50:58.699 --> 00:51:03.519
OpenClaw onto the hardware. just like they did

00:51:03.519 --> 00:51:10.699
with the early cars and full self -driving. Now,

00:51:10.800 --> 00:51:13.260
they're not the only company working on this,

00:51:13.380 --> 00:51:17.300
and with OpenClaw being very open source, this

00:51:17.300 --> 00:51:20.119
leaves a lot of bad actor potential on the table.

00:51:34.880 --> 00:51:40.559
So it's, it's fricking scary. I just, I guess

00:51:40.559 --> 00:51:44.019
my, my concern is going to be if legislation

00:51:44.019 --> 00:51:47.780
doesn't catch up and understand what this is

00:51:47.780 --> 00:51:53.340
going to entail in terms of who is legally held

00:51:53.340 --> 00:51:56.519
accountable. If you're at home, robot gets hacked

00:51:56.519 --> 00:52:00.420
and something happens. Right. Or. Oh, the way

00:52:00.420 --> 00:52:04.320
things are going. You are. But that's the problem,

00:52:04.420 --> 00:52:07.039
is if you're responsible for that, it's going

00:52:07.039 --> 00:52:11.639
to have to be a closed system. So that's the

00:52:11.639 --> 00:52:13.639
catch, is that you can't have any sort of updates

00:52:13.639 --> 00:52:16.900
over Wi -Fi. You can't have any sort of updates.

00:52:17.519 --> 00:52:20.880
Nothing you have, you own anymore at this point,

00:52:20.900 --> 00:52:23.199
the way the companies are going. They don't want

00:52:23.199 --> 00:52:27.800
you owning anything. You just lease it. So it's

00:52:27.800 --> 00:52:31.440
your fault no matter what. That's part of the

00:52:31.440 --> 00:52:34.769
concern. which way are you going to go here?

00:52:34.909 --> 00:52:36.869
Because if you just lease it, then you're not

00:52:36.869 --> 00:52:42.349
responsible for what it does. So it's going to

00:52:42.349 --> 00:52:44.250
be very interesting to see where this goes. There's

00:52:44.250 --> 00:52:46.210
a lot of instances I think having robots inside

00:52:46.210 --> 00:52:50.869
the house can be very helpful. But once it gains

00:52:50.869 --> 00:52:56.170
four limbs that can work independently, that's

00:52:56.170 --> 00:53:00.260
going to be a problem. I don't know. I feel like

00:53:00.260 --> 00:53:02.139
there's a lot of instances where it will be useful,

00:53:02.139 --> 00:53:05.239
but man, there's going to be a whole underground

00:53:05.239 --> 00:53:07.800
industry of hacking those things. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

00:53:13.860 --> 00:53:19.239
You know, it's going to... This could go both

00:53:19.239 --> 00:53:21.760
ways for some people. For some people... It's

00:53:21.760 --> 00:53:23.059
going to be awesome. They have somebody else

00:53:23.059 --> 00:53:24.599
that can help them sweep up the house and clean

00:53:24.599 --> 00:53:26.739
up and do the garbage and do the things that

00:53:26.739 --> 00:53:28.239
they either don't have the time or can't physically

00:53:28.239 --> 00:53:31.000
do or be there at the house as security. That

00:53:31.000 --> 00:53:33.179
was my other kind of background point is going

00:53:33.179 --> 00:53:35.219
to be how many people are going to have weapons

00:53:35.219 --> 00:53:37.780
attached to them? Told them defend the property,

00:53:38.079 --> 00:53:42.380
you know? Yeah. I'm going to call my robot Fafo.

00:53:42.460 --> 00:53:45.300
Fuck around and find out. Like, it's, you know,

00:53:45.380 --> 00:53:47.820
I wonder how many people is that going to happen

00:53:47.820 --> 00:53:55.860
to, you know? Or God forbid you come back to

00:53:55.860 --> 00:53:57.260
your house after getting a tan and it thinks

00:53:57.260 --> 00:54:01.719
you're an intruder and it shoots you. I'm just

00:54:01.719 --> 00:54:04.480
saying, there's got to be a lot of things where...

00:54:04.480 --> 00:54:10.039
Man. I was making a cake and the damn thing shot

00:54:10.039 --> 00:54:14.820
me. It would be like Mrs. Doubtfire, you stick

00:54:14.820 --> 00:54:16.719
your face in the cake thing, and you come back

00:54:16.719 --> 00:54:20.980
up and it says, intruder! Bang! You're going,

00:54:21.119 --> 00:54:26.380
hey! And you're getting a gack in the face. Oh,

00:54:26.480 --> 00:54:29.820
man. I almost feel like, in a way, you could

00:54:29.820 --> 00:54:32.000
make a really funny comedy skit of just like,

00:54:32.079 --> 00:54:36.039
you know, my life as a robot, and it's just stupid

00:54:36.039 --> 00:54:39.199
-ass shit that happens because you're an inferior

00:54:39.199 --> 00:54:45.150
robot. Someone did that. There's a girl, she's

00:54:45.150 --> 00:54:48.969
got an Optimus, and I don't know if it's all

00:54:48.969 --> 00:54:52.929
AI or if it's just somebody controlling the Optimus

00:54:52.929 --> 00:54:56.570
and doing the stuff with her, but she's in her

00:54:56.570 --> 00:54:59.429
house doing things, and the Optimus is constantly

00:54:59.429 --> 00:55:03.420
trying to off itself. Like whenever she's not

00:55:03.420 --> 00:55:07.280
looking. It's hilarious. That's hilarious. See,

00:55:07.900 --> 00:55:09.920
that's something I would watch. Or it's either

00:55:09.920 --> 00:55:13.579
trying to off itself, off her, or just like get

00:55:13.579 --> 00:55:15.739
intimate with different stuff in the house. It's

00:55:15.739 --> 00:55:19.179
fucking hilarious. If I can find that clip, I

00:55:19.179 --> 00:55:21.460
will post it in our Discord. Yes, because that's

00:55:21.460 --> 00:55:25.960
hilarious. But I guess government regulation

00:55:25.960 --> 00:55:28.239
is my concern with a lot of this. However, there

00:55:28.239 --> 00:55:30.440
are some jobs I think that's going to be awesome.

00:55:30.739 --> 00:55:33.619
Yeah. But the problem is always, if people are

00:55:33.619 --> 00:55:35.440
losing jobs, it goes back to your UBI argument

00:55:35.440 --> 00:55:37.760
of, you know, fuck, if we lose all of our basic

00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:40.980
manual labor jobs, that means I hate to be the

00:55:40.980 --> 00:55:43.400
asshole, but we have a lot of now useless people.

00:55:44.119 --> 00:55:46.760
So what do we do? Yeah. You know, if you don't

00:55:46.760 --> 00:55:48.460
have a skilled job or skilled sort of labor.

00:55:48.599 --> 00:55:50.739
Well, then you have to hook them up and start

00:55:50.739 --> 00:55:52.460
learning how to generate electricity out of them.

00:55:53.300 --> 00:56:00.019
Oh, God. sorry sir or you you're being demoted

00:56:00.019 --> 00:56:02.920
from construction worker to battery yeah so uh

00:56:02.920 --> 00:56:05.340
that that episode of rick and morty the the battery

00:56:05.340 --> 00:56:07.940
episode you put everybody on the little treadmill

00:56:07.940 --> 00:56:10.260
thingies or the stair stepper thingies and you

00:56:10.260 --> 00:56:12.940
make them generate power that's what you do look

00:56:12.940 --> 00:56:16.800
like the fluble clank yes from a crank that's

00:56:16.800 --> 00:56:18.820
a crank not clank clank yeah the fluble clank

00:56:19.230 --> 00:56:23.010
or crank or whatever the the things in the batteries

00:56:23.010 --> 00:56:25.809
that made the power in the batteries yes that's

00:56:25.809 --> 00:56:29.130
what we have to start building now so that when

00:56:29.130 --> 00:56:31.170
people start losing their jobs they can go and

00:56:31.170 --> 00:56:34.070
still have a job why why do i feel like we're

00:56:34.070 --> 00:56:36.250
gonna have this weird dystopian world where it's

00:56:36.250 --> 00:56:37.849
gonna be you have free housing but you have to

00:56:37.849 --> 00:56:40.070
run on an unpowered treadmill for six hours a

00:56:40.070 --> 00:56:44.170
day to pay to pay for your energy credits and

00:56:44.170 --> 00:56:46.690
then that's what you just walk on your shit right

00:56:46.690 --> 00:56:50.369
there That's straight up black mirror right there.

00:56:50.449 --> 00:56:55.070
It kind of is. That's the way to justify a UBI.

00:56:55.070 --> 00:56:58.329
Did you generate your energy credits today? You

00:56:58.329 --> 00:57:02.230
know? No, I did not. Well, cute fat piece of

00:57:02.230 --> 00:57:04.230
shit. You're not getting your energy credits

00:57:04.230 --> 00:57:08.789
today. Look at it this way. I'm not getting advertisements

00:57:08.789 --> 00:57:12.170
shoved in my face. All right. We solved the energy

00:57:12.170 --> 00:57:16.250
crisis. We solved the obesity epidemic in one

00:57:16.250 --> 00:57:22.130
go. Yeah. I'm telling you, it'll be a weird world

00:57:22.130 --> 00:57:24.150
if everything we talk about comes true, because

00:57:24.150 --> 00:57:26.769
you're going to have AI, UBI, everyone's going

00:57:26.769 --> 00:57:33.469
to be fucking ripped. I don't want to be right,

00:57:33.570 --> 00:57:38.090
Gibbs. I'm tired of being right. Well, be wrong.

00:57:38.630 --> 00:57:44.510
I can't. Sir. Sorry, sir. It's not consensual

00:57:44.510 --> 00:57:49.980
at this point. Or are we just going to get another

00:57:49.980 --> 00:57:52.920
virus 2 .0 that actually works this time? Yeah,

00:57:52.940 --> 00:57:55.980
no. They released the AI with all the robots.

00:57:56.099 --> 00:57:58.139
They realized, ah, 50 % of people we don't need.

00:57:58.719 --> 00:58:06.639
And then we're screwed. Yeah. So we can kind

00:58:06.639 --> 00:58:12.039
of move towards the end here. The hands -on gap

00:58:12.039 --> 00:58:17.190
is going to be our only armor. In a callback

00:58:17.190 --> 00:58:19.929
to one of our previous episodes, Simulated Genius

00:58:19.929 --> 00:58:23.849
Physical Failure, go learn a fucking trade skill.

00:58:27.570 --> 00:58:33.150
AI can solve... Learn how to fix your sink. Fix

00:58:33.150 --> 00:58:38.030
your sink? AI can solve quantum physics, but

00:58:38.030 --> 00:58:40.809
it can't calibrate a laser engraver or fix a

00:58:40.809 --> 00:58:47.750
leaky pipe. The wood shop is a sanctuary. Physical

00:58:47.750 --> 00:58:50.489
hobbies like woodworking, vehicle restoration,

00:58:50.889 --> 00:58:53.650
electronics, tinkering, metalworking, those kinds

00:58:53.650 --> 00:58:56.710
of things are going to be the only things that

00:58:56.710 --> 00:59:02.750
keep us from human domestication. The singularity

00:59:02.750 --> 00:59:07.190
is starting to look kind of lopsided. If the

00:59:07.190 --> 00:59:12.659
power goes out, the gods die. If the gods need

00:59:12.659 --> 00:59:17.420
a repair, then they need us. And suddenly, we

00:59:17.420 --> 00:59:20.380
become the gods again, and it becomes this weird

00:59:20.380 --> 00:59:27.679
kind of cycle. There are some high -level researchers

00:59:27.679 --> 00:59:31.739
that are openly arguing that we should transition

00:59:31.739 --> 00:59:37.059
to machine stewardship. They believe that AI

00:59:37.059 --> 00:59:40.739
should run the boring physical and economic world,

00:59:41.159 --> 00:59:43.599
so that humans can retire into a permanent state

00:59:43.599 --> 00:59:48.000
of leisure or domestication. That sounds awful

00:59:48.000 --> 00:59:56.599
utopic, doesn't it? Nope, that's dystopic. To

00:59:56.599 --> 01:00:02.039
me, anyway. Yeah. We are currently building a

01:00:02.039 --> 01:00:05.679
world where we lose the ability to run things

01:00:05.679 --> 01:00:10.400
ourselves. If the lobster agents fail in 2029,

01:00:10.519 --> 01:00:15.219
will anyone be left or anyone left? Remember

01:00:15.219 --> 01:00:18.800
how to manage a power grid at the current rate

01:00:18.800 --> 01:00:21.960
we're going? I don't think so because people

01:00:21.960 --> 01:00:25.539
can barely remember how to do half the shit they

01:00:25.539 --> 01:00:31.699
knew how to do five years ago. It's a concerning

01:00:31.699 --> 01:00:36.320
part of like. i almost wish there could be a

01:00:36.320 --> 01:00:38.199
law that like you can't replace a job with ai

01:00:38.199 --> 01:00:41.300
but at the same point it's so many people are

01:00:41.300 --> 01:00:43.159
i hate to say it a lot of people not a lot of

01:00:43.159 --> 01:00:44.960
people there are enough people that are useless

01:00:44.960 --> 01:00:47.699
at their job anyway yeah that it's like are you

01:00:47.699 --> 01:00:49.980
really losing anything but i think it's because

01:00:49.980 --> 01:00:51.840
we also live in a society where it's like a lot

01:00:51.840 --> 01:00:55.500
of people have in some way given up on trying

01:00:56.170 --> 01:00:58.030
Because there's nothing they can do or they feel

01:00:58.030 --> 01:01:00.170
like they're stuck. So it's this weird recursive

01:01:00.170 --> 01:01:01.710
problem of the economy sucks enough to where

01:01:01.710 --> 01:01:03.429
they don't try. So therefore, companies say,

01:01:03.550 --> 01:01:05.889
well, I'll just pick an AI to do it then. But

01:01:05.889 --> 01:01:08.030
then they lose their job. So then now they really

01:01:08.030 --> 01:01:10.250
don't try. So it's kind of like this feedback

01:01:10.250 --> 01:01:14.849
loop. Yeah. You know, that's kind of becoming

01:01:14.849 --> 01:01:22.619
a pretty important issue. Oh, yeah. We just have

01:01:22.619 --> 01:01:24.559
to make sure for essential services, I feel like

01:01:24.559 --> 01:01:26.900
anything that's out of safety or essential, there

01:01:26.900 --> 01:01:29.159
really needs to be a law that like, hey, you

01:01:29.159 --> 01:01:31.940
can't replace them with AI. They can use AI assistance.

01:01:32.920 --> 01:01:37.619
Yes, using AI is fine, but having it replace

01:01:37.619 --> 01:01:42.260
somebody, not fine. No. I think we need to really

01:01:42.260 --> 01:01:47.619
see like a list of essential jobs that needs

01:01:47.619 --> 01:01:49.519
to be like almost government protected. Like,

01:01:49.519 --> 01:01:54.099
hey, you can't replace these. You know? Yeah.

01:01:59.099 --> 01:02:06.980
It's, it's going to be a very tight line to walk.

01:02:08.340 --> 01:02:15.019
Yeah. But, you know, because yes, AI is functional.

01:02:15.099 --> 01:02:19.440
AI is supportive. It is useful to a point. And

01:02:19.440 --> 01:02:26.510
beyond that, It needs the input. It needs the

01:02:26.510 --> 01:02:30.389
human at some point until it crosses that line

01:02:30.389 --> 01:02:37.630
where it doesn't. Well, I don't know. We're going

01:02:37.630 --> 01:02:41.349
to answer this weird problem pretty soon of if

01:02:41.349 --> 01:02:43.510
there are not enough jobs to go around, you're

01:02:43.510 --> 01:02:44.969
basically have to get like a breeding permit.

01:02:46.050 --> 01:02:47.969
The permission to have a kid because there's

01:02:47.969 --> 01:02:51.469
not no jobs available. Yeah. What can you do?

01:02:58.740 --> 01:03:01.159
So something for people to think about. Yeah.

01:03:04.059 --> 01:03:09.980
So just kind of wanted to put something out there.

01:03:10.019 --> 01:03:13.440
We did not make this episode to throw everybody

01:03:13.440 --> 01:03:18.780
into a spiral of pure existential dread. Like

01:03:18.780 --> 01:03:22.360
I said, I did hit. a few points while I was getting

01:03:22.360 --> 01:03:25.039
all the notes together where I had to take a

01:03:25.039 --> 01:03:28.699
few very big breaks. So if at this point you're

01:03:28.699 --> 01:03:30.320
listening and you're kind of feeling that Mr.

01:03:30.420 --> 01:03:36.940
Krabs, I'm right there with you. This episode

01:03:36.940 --> 01:03:39.739
has been made with the intention to try and educate

01:03:39.739 --> 01:03:42.460
our listeners on the development and progress

01:03:42.460 --> 01:03:46.940
of all of this new tech. It's not getting the

01:03:46.940 --> 01:03:48.920
attention that it deserves because of other world

01:03:48.920 --> 01:03:53.690
events. like the middle east as well as other

01:03:53.690 --> 01:04:00.530
normal algorithm shenanigans um but in all the

01:04:00.530 --> 01:04:03.130
time that i've spent reading and learning about

01:04:03.130 --> 01:04:06.670
ai and all the possibilities good and bad that

01:04:06.670 --> 01:04:12.150
it brings this was legitimately the first time

01:04:12.150 --> 01:04:14.550
that i've ever really been worried about the

01:04:14.550 --> 01:04:19.090
possibilities I saw the Lego blocks and the strings

01:04:19.090 --> 01:04:22.730
that connect everything. And honestly, if some

01:04:22.730 --> 01:04:25.489
old big potato like me can see that, then I'm

01:04:25.489 --> 01:04:29.190
sure that other far more capable people can do

01:04:29.190 --> 01:04:34.670
too. And that's really what kind of worries me.

01:04:37.590 --> 01:04:42.989
So if you guys are able to kind of see how this

01:04:42.989 --> 01:04:45.070
all fits together with everything else that's

01:04:45.070 --> 01:04:51.280
out there, You'll understand why this bothers

01:04:51.280 --> 01:05:01.599
me to the level that it does. So, oh, on a side

01:05:01.599 --> 01:05:04.039
note, if they collapse the economy because of

01:05:04.039 --> 01:05:05.840
this stuff and no one can afford it, then their

01:05:05.840 --> 01:05:09.159
business fails. So in a way, they have a ventured

01:05:09.159 --> 01:05:11.179
interest in us having a good economy so we can

01:05:11.179 --> 01:05:16.889
afford the products. Yeah. So, you know. They

01:05:16.889 --> 01:05:20.570
can only crash it so much. Or maybe vice versa.

01:05:20.590 --> 01:05:21.869
Maybe it becomes like, hey, everybody gets their

01:05:21.869 --> 01:05:30.130
own personal investment robot. To go off on a

01:05:30.130 --> 01:05:32.610
little bit of a tangent, if they started doling

01:05:32.610 --> 01:05:36.010
out robots to the point where every household

01:05:36.010 --> 01:05:40.110
got one, Ford's vision of a car at every garage

01:05:40.110 --> 01:05:46.800
or whatever, car at every driveway. It wouldn't

01:05:46.800 --> 01:05:51.880
be the worst thing as long as they came factory

01:05:51.880 --> 01:05:54.940
set and could not get updates unless you took

01:05:54.940 --> 01:05:57.199
them to the factory. Like Gibbles was saying,

01:05:57.300 --> 01:06:00.840
they've got to be set up to the point where they

01:06:00.840 --> 01:06:05.500
cannot be updated maliciously. So you'd have

01:06:05.500 --> 01:06:07.559
to have them so that no updates can be applied

01:06:07.559 --> 01:06:14.039
outside of the factory. um i i think if there

01:06:14.039 --> 01:06:18.699
was a guardrail like that in place maybe it could

01:06:18.699 --> 01:06:21.119
start to work but there again we're just coming

01:06:21.119 --> 01:06:28.860
back to the fucking i robot life yep and then

01:06:28.860 --> 01:06:31.480
it's just going to transition to well why do

01:06:31.480 --> 01:06:35.840
we have to have people bring their robots in

01:06:35.840 --> 01:06:38.280
for the updates when we can just send them out

01:06:38.280 --> 01:06:40.900
over The Wi -Fi, when we're the ones sending

01:06:40.900 --> 01:06:45.400
the updates, it's a secure connection. No, it's

01:06:45.400 --> 01:06:47.280
not. The only way that would work is if they

01:06:47.280 --> 01:06:50.519
literally mailed you a USB stick. Yeah, until

01:06:50.519 --> 01:06:57.739
that gets intercepted and replaced. Yep. Yeah.

01:06:59.199 --> 01:07:01.820
There's just no way. Yeah, you know what? There

01:07:01.820 --> 01:07:06.500
is a way. If they had a mobile van that came

01:07:06.500 --> 01:07:09.179
to your house and it walks into the van, does

01:07:09.179 --> 01:07:13.119
the update there and it walks back out. Yeah.

01:07:13.199 --> 01:07:15.639
That's the way somebody makes a malicious van

01:07:15.639 --> 01:07:19.639
with bad servers. And yeah, there's the, to every

01:07:19.639 --> 01:07:25.079
scenario, there is a counter. You know, what's

01:07:25.079 --> 01:07:26.500
going to suck is if somebody just steals your

01:07:26.500 --> 01:07:28.400
robot, like your robots out there, why water

01:07:28.400 --> 01:07:30.900
the garden? And somebody just goes, ah, yeet.

01:07:30.900 --> 01:07:36.199
And just grabs it. Like, you know, good Lord.

01:07:37.119 --> 01:07:42.000
Yeah. Martin Luther Boulevard is just going to

01:07:42.000 --> 01:07:44.440
be a sea of just destroyed robots in every city.

01:07:44.820 --> 01:07:48.360
Oh, God. It's going to be crazy. Every city that

01:07:48.360 --> 01:07:51.079
has a Martin Luther Boulevard, yes. It's going

01:07:51.079 --> 01:08:00.300
to be wild. Yeah, it's... Now... What happens

01:08:00.300 --> 01:08:02.039
for all the robots that don't have an odor? What

01:08:02.039 --> 01:08:05.199
happens if the odor dies? There's a robot there.

01:08:05.300 --> 01:08:06.940
Are they just homeless now? They just get sent

01:08:06.940 --> 01:08:08.829
back to the factory. Are there just going to

01:08:08.829 --> 01:08:11.190
be homeless robots just having homeless encampments?

01:08:12.010 --> 01:08:15.710
Probably. Please, sir, I just need a Bitcoin.

01:08:17.510 --> 01:08:24.649
A little squirt of oil. Got any juice? Think

01:08:24.649 --> 01:08:26.770
about if they start allowing people to modify

01:08:26.770 --> 01:08:29.970
their robots or put upgrades on them. That's

01:08:29.970 --> 01:08:31.930
when you start getting the robots with the flashlight

01:08:31.930 --> 01:08:36.079
attachments. I mean, I thought about a claymore,

01:08:36.220 --> 01:08:39.880
but, like, your attachment is valid, too. You

01:08:39.880 --> 01:08:42.460
know. A claymore chest attachment is extremely

01:08:42.460 --> 01:08:45.439
valid. Yes. That's in case of emergencies. It's

01:08:45.439 --> 01:08:48.720
my medicinal claymore. Or you do, like, Braveheart.

01:08:48.760 --> 01:08:51.720
It's my simple claymore. Can I paint mine like

01:08:51.720 --> 01:08:53.500
Braveheart and have the, like, physical claymore

01:08:53.500 --> 01:08:56.399
longsword? Yes. With the claymore chest attachment?

01:08:56.640 --> 01:09:05.000
Oh, yes. The activation word is freedom! It's

01:09:05.000 --> 01:09:08.020
the word clay, but the word more is like in capital

01:09:08.020 --> 01:09:09.880
letters because that's two of them. Oh, yeah.

01:09:12.060 --> 01:09:14.220
Can I give it an accent? Give it like a very

01:09:14.220 --> 01:09:18.140
thick Scottish accent. Yeah. That's amazing.

01:09:19.279 --> 01:09:22.119
I think that's my promise. I'd like troll with

01:09:22.119 --> 01:09:31.270
it. Oh, that's the... Anyone who has... That

01:09:31.270 --> 01:09:41.449
mentality would. Yeah. I should never be allowed

01:09:41.449 --> 01:09:44.810
to have one. No, because you would suction cup

01:09:44.810 --> 01:09:48.409
dildos to yours. That's the problem. I'd replace

01:09:48.409 --> 01:09:50.310
its hands with dildos and then sit it downtown.

01:09:50.470 --> 01:09:53.770
What are you talking about? Doing errands for

01:09:53.770 --> 01:09:56.760
my owner. What are you doing? Fucking the government.

01:10:01.800 --> 01:10:06.420
It goes up to the Capitol building. Please assume

01:10:06.420 --> 01:10:11.500
the position. It just starts like fucking. Oh,

01:10:11.560 --> 01:10:14.420
man. It just starts to like ultra robo hump the

01:10:14.420 --> 01:10:19.000
fucking building. What are you doing? Establishing

01:10:19.000 --> 01:10:21.359
dominance on the government. Just gets in there.

01:10:21.359 --> 01:10:27.949
Just like. No, knowing you, you'd upload that

01:10:27.949 --> 01:10:32.770
turtle humping sound. Oh, hell yes. Just digitized.

01:10:34.069 --> 01:10:36.489
It's purposely like an 8 -bit so you can sort

01:10:36.489 --> 01:10:39.829
of hear it, but it sort of sounds robotic. No,

01:10:39.850 --> 01:10:45.550
you've got to upload it in glorious 4K. Now,

01:10:45.569 --> 01:10:46.710
the other question is, are they going to have

01:10:46.710 --> 01:10:48.850
robots where it's just a regular face like us,

01:10:48.930 --> 01:10:51.890
or is it going to be like a screen so it can

01:10:51.890 --> 01:10:55.399
change its face? and like facial features let's

01:10:55.399 --> 01:11:02.920
do both because that'll be a molded screen face

01:11:02.920 --> 01:11:06.880
that would be funny you could have some fun with

01:11:06.880 --> 01:11:16.180
that oh yeah oh man to the poor oh god what's

01:11:16.180 --> 01:11:17.439
the religion where they try to come knocking

01:11:17.439 --> 01:11:21.229
at your door Jehovah's Witness There's one of

01:11:21.229 --> 01:11:23.390
those like a mile and a half down the street

01:11:23.390 --> 01:11:26.510
from me and they usually come by. Oh my god.

01:11:28.109 --> 01:11:34.029
Man. I'd have so much fun. Oh. Could you have

01:11:34.029 --> 01:11:36.270
it like adopt personalities from like famous

01:11:36.270 --> 01:11:39.289
movie stars or like different characters? If

01:11:39.289 --> 01:11:42.229
you could have it download them in like a file,

01:11:42.310 --> 01:11:47.210
yes, that would be amazing. Oh god. Oh, that's

01:11:47.210 --> 01:11:49.569
like my son talked about in the interview with

01:11:49.569 --> 01:11:53.130
the Gen Z episode. He wants the sex bots so that

01:11:53.130 --> 01:11:59.569
he can download the Lucy Liu robot. And then

01:11:59.569 --> 01:12:03.050
he wants to just go rampant on the Lucy Liu bot

01:12:03.050 --> 01:12:08.329
or the Sidney Sweeney bot. Ah, yes. DNA test

01:12:08.329 --> 01:12:12.609
not required. I know. We know. I know. I know.

01:12:14.510 --> 01:12:17.970
Did you ever listen to that episode? Yes. Okay.

01:12:19.069 --> 01:12:21.609
It was hilarious that I had to smack his ass

01:12:21.609 --> 01:12:25.310
on the fucking interview. That was weird. It

01:12:25.310 --> 01:12:29.109
was heard. He started air hopping the couch,

01:12:29.229 --> 01:12:34.590
damn it. Again, DNA test not required. I know.

01:12:36.489 --> 01:12:38.289
Oh, we're still on the episode. We should probably

01:12:38.289 --> 01:12:44.859
close the episode out. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, Gibbles,

01:12:44.880 --> 01:12:47.739
I'm sorry you had connectile dysfunction tonight.

01:12:49.560 --> 01:12:51.859
Confirmed. His microphone was AI. He just didn't

01:12:51.859 --> 01:12:54.079
like being inferior in this conversation. You

01:12:54.079 --> 01:13:00.260
had some whiskey connections and whatever. Connectile

01:13:00.260 --> 01:13:07.060
dysfunction. Yes. Needed the Wi -Fi Agra. That's

01:13:07.060 --> 01:13:12.050
a good one. So, we'll... we'll see you guys again

01:13:12.050 --> 01:13:14.229
next week and hopefully Gibbles will have all

01:13:14.229 --> 01:13:18.369
of his audio stuff sorted out. It was working

01:13:18.369 --> 01:13:24.189
at the beginning of the show, so. It was. I'm

01:13:24.189 --> 01:13:29.170
too tired for this, Grandpa. Gave up the ghost.

01:13:29.829 --> 01:13:36.170
Oh my God. Damn. But, yeah, I hope you guys enjoyed

01:13:36.170 --> 01:13:42.649
the episode. We are. T -minus four and a half

01:13:42.649 --> 01:13:49.369
months from our live show, by the way. Fuck,

01:13:49.970 --> 01:13:53.090
that's coming up quick. I know. Oh, my God. I

01:13:53.090 --> 01:13:55.090
know. I have to start working on the promo material

01:13:55.090 --> 01:13:59.050
for that to hang up. I would say we'll figure

01:13:59.050 --> 01:14:00.590
out the topics, but with the way the world is

01:14:00.590 --> 01:14:03.609
going, who the fuck knows? So I had the topic,

01:14:03.670 --> 01:14:06.329
and I think I have to change it because shit's

01:14:06.329 --> 01:14:16.090
changed. Yeah, go figure. Yeah. But, yeah. Shit,

01:14:16.210 --> 01:14:21.130
I had something. But it's okay. I love you guys.

01:14:22.010 --> 01:14:24.770
Thank you all for sticking around. Thank you

01:14:24.770 --> 01:14:30.050
all for listening. And if you're still listening,

01:14:30.170 --> 01:14:32.750
go check out the video that I put together and

01:14:32.750 --> 01:14:38.010
put up on YouTube. It's kind of creepy. Other

01:14:38.010 --> 01:14:41.600
than that. We'll be back next week for more shenanigans.

01:14:42.340 --> 01:14:46.739
Everybody good for next week, I hope. Hopefully

01:14:46.739 --> 01:14:50.039
if I have a mic. Don't worry, you'll have a mic.

01:14:50.319 --> 01:14:55.560
Oh, yeah. We'll figure something out. All righty.

01:14:55.560 --> 01:15:00.319
Well, like I said, we love you guys. And we'll

01:15:00.319 --> 01:15:05.340
see you all next week. Bye. Bye. Gibble says

01:15:05.340 --> 01:15:13.760
bye. Alright, recording stopped. Alright, just

01:15:13.760 --> 01:15:21.279
send me the massive audio file. I hope I have

01:15:21.279 --> 01:15:25.359
an audio file to give. That's why, if we don't,

01:15:25.359 --> 01:15:28.359
honestly, we could just use the stream audio

01:15:28.359 --> 01:15:33.079
if we have to. Yeah. What episode is this? I

01:15:33.079 --> 01:15:42.739
am looking. I don't remember. Something or another.

01:15:43.039 --> 01:15:48.199
This is 20. Season 2, episode 20. Good. Is there

01:15:48.199 --> 01:15:51.979
going to be an ending to a season? Or are we

01:15:51.979 --> 01:15:56.180
just running until running is done? We'll have

01:15:56.180 --> 01:15:58.020
to talk about it. Because I guess my kind of

01:15:58.020 --> 01:15:59.880
thought is we might use the live show to either

01:15:59.880 --> 01:16:07.039
start or end a season. You know? Yeah. If you

01:16:07.039 --> 01:16:09.899
want to do a... like an end of season break live

01:16:09.899 --> 01:16:17.319
show would be a way to send it off i mean we've

01:16:17.319 --> 01:16:19.520
done 20 episodes for the season so we might have

01:16:19.520 --> 01:16:24.560
to consider yeah you know well so last year we

01:16:24.560 --> 01:16:30.399
did a summer break last year we did a small summer

01:16:30.399 --> 01:16:34.699
break but there was also a lot of like life stuff

01:16:34.699 --> 01:16:49.140
going on Yeah. So... Stay frosty. Yeah. We'll

01:16:49.140 --> 01:16:50.479
figure it out. We'll talk about it. We'll figure

01:16:50.479 --> 01:16:52.500
it out. If we need to take a couple weeks off

01:16:52.500 --> 01:16:57.880
or whatever, we can do that. But... I know I

01:16:57.880 --> 01:17:00.460
do have a bachelor party. I have a bachelor trip

01:17:00.460 --> 01:17:02.380
for a week and then I have a wedding coming up.

01:17:04.000 --> 01:17:11.140
Another wedding? No. I'm so dumb. Everybody's

01:17:11.140 --> 01:17:16.960
getting married but you. Yep. I will say when

01:17:16.960 --> 01:17:21.079
it happens to you, you're so fucked. Dude, I

01:17:21.079 --> 01:17:22.920
have so many friends that owe me a shit ton of

01:17:22.920 --> 01:17:24.279
money with the amount of money I've spent on

01:17:24.279 --> 01:17:29.960
all their weddings. Oh my god. The bachelor party

01:17:29.960 --> 01:17:37.420
alone is gonna be epic. So her and I have already

01:17:37.420 --> 01:17:39.100
decided we're going to do like a combined thing,

01:17:39.159 --> 01:17:40.560
but we're still going to do some stuff separate,

01:17:40.600 --> 01:17:44.119
but some stuff together. You can't do everything

01:17:44.119 --> 01:17:47.220
together. That's why I said some things together,

01:17:47.279 --> 01:17:50.500
some things separate. The whole goal is to get

01:17:50.500 --> 01:17:52.399
like 40 people together to rent out a mansion.

01:17:53.180 --> 01:17:56.260
God damn. That's the goal. And I think there's

01:17:56.260 --> 01:17:57.960
enough people on both sides that we can do it.

01:17:58.500 --> 01:18:02.699
It's going to be fun. Yeah, for somebody else,

01:18:02.720 --> 01:18:04.680
but I have this bad feeling I'm going to end

01:18:04.680 --> 01:18:06.659
up being the poor bastard. It's going to be like,

01:18:06.680 --> 01:18:20.199
I'm by myself. Fuck. You got a nice, nice, comfy

01:18:20.199 --> 01:18:47.409
king bed to yourself. Yeah, basically. no i if

01:18:47.409 --> 01:18:50.329
i sold feet pics nobody would buy so nice try

01:18:50.329 --> 01:18:55.010
may that's not how that works nope nope nope

01:18:55.010 --> 01:19:00.850
yeah but the way my what the way my body's proportion

01:19:00.850 --> 01:19:04.930
basically an oversized hobbit pretty much you

01:19:04.930 --> 01:19:11.750
know I am to what Hobbits is what Kiki is to

01:19:11.750 --> 01:19:22.430
us. Jeez. Oh, shit. All right. We're going to

01:19:22.430 --> 01:19:24.149
have a fucking crew for the live show. It's going

01:19:24.149 --> 01:19:30.829
to be crazy. Yeah. Man. I can't wait. It's going

01:19:30.829 --> 01:19:34.010
to be amazing. Can I get Kiki a shirt that just

01:19:34.010 --> 01:19:35.710
says security? I'll give him my security hat.

01:19:37.170 --> 01:19:40.319
Sure. If he'll wear it, I don't know. I'll talk

01:19:40.319 --> 01:19:43.939
to the guys at the bar. Oh, crap. They would

01:19:43.939 --> 01:19:46.340
think, oh, yeah, that would interfere. They don't

01:19:46.340 --> 01:19:53.239
have security, but. I have an idea. I don't sure

01:19:53.239 --> 01:19:58.340
I'll get them. The FBI shirt, female body inspector.

01:20:00.239 --> 01:20:04.420
That would be very on brand. That'd be on brand

01:20:04.420 --> 01:20:09.960
for all of us. we're gonna have to get uh the

01:20:09.960 --> 01:20:11.899
journeys ordered we're gonna have to start getting

01:20:11.899 --> 01:20:15.520
yes all the stuff ordered yes uh yeah that's

01:20:15.520 --> 01:20:20.000
uh yes absolutely well i i'm now i finally got

01:20:20.000 --> 01:20:23.239
my buddies it's been a fucking seven month thing

01:20:23.239 --> 01:20:27.340
but i finally got the um bachelor party all organized

01:20:27.340 --> 01:20:30.680
and everything okayed so now i'm done fucking

01:20:30.680 --> 01:20:34.600
dealing with that so double start dude it's been

01:20:34.600 --> 01:20:38.210
a fucking nightmare so now that we're done with

01:20:38.210 --> 01:20:41.369
that i can start doing some merch stuff good

01:20:41.369 --> 01:20:47.229
all right well i want to go ahead and pull the

01:20:47.229 --> 01:20:49.609
stream and we can get the video stuff pulled

01:20:49.609 --> 01:20:53.170
and uh downloaded so what the fuck am i looking

01:20:53.170 --> 01:20:57.810
at holy shit i don't click on stuff oh my god

01:20:57.810 --> 01:21:01.270
careful what you click on these days yeah no

01:21:01.270 --> 01:21:06.649
kidding like holy shit All right, guys. Well,

01:21:06.670 --> 01:21:07.869
thanks for hanging out with us in the stream.

01:21:09.930 --> 01:21:13.789
We'll see you all next week, hopefully. So y

01:21:13.789 --> 01:21:16.869
'all have a good night.