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host, Pip. Tonight here, as always, are my co
-hosts, Gibbs and Gibbles. Hello. Hi. So, I think
I might have accidentally joined a cult last
weekend. Started off with some free snacks because
I'm a fat kid and who can resist that? But it
ended up with me chanting in a basement about
cryptocurrency. They said that I would achieve
enlightenment. But all I achieved was a headache,
a sore wiener, and a weird tattoo of a Bitcoin
on my ankle. You're just looking at me, Gibbs,
and you question my judgment. Yes. There's no
way around this one. That solid three seconds
of silence, that was earned, and we're going
to leave it there. I'm not changing that. Nope.
All right. Well, everyone, welcome to the show
tonight. I wanted to preface this episode with
a little something. The notes for this episode
were started a little prior to all the events
kicking off in Iran. Since then, as I'm sure
most of you have seen, the world is once again
on the brink of conflict. As such, echoes of
safety. And protection are once again starting
to sound throughout the halls of Congress. Personally,
I think it's a very scary callback to the time
after 9 -11. Some of you listening may or may
not be able to or maybe not old enough to remember
those days. But back then, they started kind
of ringing the war bell and demanding things
that no American had ever dreamed that we would
ever hear of. Yeah. Now. Was it a full -on Orwellian
1984 -level surveillance program? No. But it
was probably the closest thing that we as Americans
had ever seen. And it was all done in the name
of safety and national defense. And I am, of
course, referencing the Patriot Act. Because
that bit of legislation served as the foundational
piece for many... I'm just going to say it, atrocities
against public privacy. And we're hoping that
nothing like that will ever see the light of
day again in this country. But we've talked about
things similar to that on the show before, and
we don't know the true full extent to which the
Privacy Act actually went or if any parts of
it were ever actually ended. Because again, the
good old government is never going to be fully
honest with us. Well, when you have a court system
that you're not even allowed to even know about
what goes on behind closed doors, you're never
going to. Yeah, you're dead on. So with all that
going on, it was kind of an interesting pickup
with tonight's topic, the end of privacy. uh
again we had this kind of on the burner ready
to cook uh two weeks ago and then like i said
everything started kicking off with iran and
then there was a i don't know if you guys even
saw there was a foiled terror attack uh just
yesterday uh some ass clowns decided to start
lobbing devices uh that did not thankfully go
off um it's it's all just starting to sound kind
of familiar So I thought it was prudent to kind
of bring up a little bit of the past, a little
bit of a history lesson. Also, as we are coming
up on the, this hurts to say, 25th anniversary
of 9 -11 this year. It makes me feel so old.
My entire childhood and part of my young adult
life has already passed by twice. Yeah. Almost.
Almost twice. Yeah. Yeah, that hurts right in
the lower back pain. Right in my popping knees.
But as far as we're concerned with privacy and
tonight's topic, some things that I wanted to
point out before we kind of get into the meat
and taters of all this. There are over 5 ,000
daily data points. That are taken into account
per person. Just in this country. There are brain
computer interfaces that we've talked about before.
Things like Neuralink and all that associated
tech. You have brain cells now that can play
Doom. Dude, I just saw that before we got on
here tonight. Petri dish brains are playing Doom.
That's fucking awesome. It's terrifying. But
it's awesome. That's a little more terrifying.
That's some Skynet shit right there. It is. For
anybody that has an organ donor on their driver's
license, I am so sorry because you might be somebody
that's forced to play Doom forever. I might update
the driver's license. God forbid if you're the
one that is forced to play The Sims forever.
Oh no. Oh. Good God for dark humor. We'll, we'll
take on a whole new meaning at that point. Yeah.
But, uh, yeah, the, the brain computer interface
BCI market has surged to as much as $21 billion
already, uh, as more and more implants and non
-invasive device are beginning to devices are
starting to go more mainstream. Um, there's a
lot of, uh, capitalism and government involvement
in people's brains that's starting to kind of
get involved in that. And some talk has started
to pop up online about the possibility of crosstalk
in BCIs. So can you imagine if a room full of
people had things like Neuralink and there was
some kind of a software glitch and all of a sudden
everybody with a Neuralink could cross communicate?
whether it was willful or not. That sounds like
some Johnny mnemonic crap. Let that sink in for
just a second, because there are a lot of companies
that are starting to push for adoption of BCIs.
So basically, if you come to work for them, they're
going to cover the cost of all procedures to
get a BCI. And then while you work for them,
you have this thing. Somebody just made that
illegal, though. I'm trying to remember who it
was. But they already said you cannot force an
employee to do that. No, no, no. It wouldn't
be forced. It would be mandated as part of the
job. Right, but they said that you can't do that
either. Well, this job requires the implant.
This job does not. I'm sure someone's corporate
lawyer will find a way to shark the road out
of it. I'm sure. I think we already saw in America
you can clearly mandate people to get a medical
procedure even if you don't agree with it. Uh
-huh. In America, we're not safe from this kind
of stuff. Jabby jab. So with all of that going
on, there are a lot of corporate entities that
are pushing for mass adoption. Quite frankly,
I honestly think that might scare me just a little
bit more than the AI stuff. Because that's a
direct hot link. Sorry. That's a direct hot link
into your brain. And that opens up brain hacking.
That opens up AI intrusion into your brain. That's
a whole lot of shit that just kind of... gets
the door kicked right into your head. Hmm. So.
Well, I definitely know the way Grok talks to
me on a daily basis. I wouldn't want it in my
head. I'd be scared. Yeah. The fact that Grok
knows so much about me that I have not told it.
I know we were kind of talking about this before
the show, but I've not told it hardly anything
about me. And it knows everything. Oh, yeah,
but there's also a bunch of metadata that your
phone scrapes from you every day. So, I mean,
there's no hiding it. Mm -hmm. Yeah, it's terrifying.
And we're just kind of getting used to it and
learning how to adapt to it, you know? But, yeah,
speaking of your device kind of scraping all
the data, that's kind of how... Privacy is vanishing
one click at a time every day. Apps and devices
are harvesting our data. There's smart eavesdropping.
We have facial recognition. License plate readers
are popping up literally like STDs at a retirement
home. Your phone knows your secrets better than
your friends do. Whether that's a convenience
or if that's creepy, that's kind of up to you
to decide. what weirds me out. And I know we've
said this on the show before, when you have like
some of the most random off the wall thoughts
and you go to look it up and your phone knows
what you want to look up within two letters,
like gives when looking up porn and depression,
it's insane. I got my attention. That is still
one of the most baffling things that's ever happened
in my life. Like, sometimes I lay awake at night
going, like, who? Because it wasn't me. Oh, that
was a glorious night. So, something else to keep
in mind is that when we get into the whole ethics
of data mining, it's going to hit People of less
means. The poor, essentially. It's going to hit
them the hardest. And the more vulnerable type
of people. The desperate in our population. Because
data harvesting, and I'm going to touch on this
a little bit later, would theoretically be a
money -making point for those desperate. And
I'll talk about that a little bit. More in depth
later on. We have surveillance capitalism, which
is apparently a thing. And government overreach.
No, that's never happened. What? No. They're
here to help. Yeah, they're our friends. I almost
said that with a straight face. We have tech
lords. that are profiling behaviors look at it
as data just like oil. There's government cameras
and smart cities. We've talked about smart cities
here before. Privacy budgets are getting cut
amid the risks to kids' data. And Gibbles, you
and I have kids, and I think you can kind of
back me up on this. I personally do not feel...
Kids should have any data collected on them until
they're 18. Right. They should not. Yeah. Maybe
like some general usage stats, maybe for like
devices that they're on, but absolutely zero
personal data at all. We all seen how easy that
data can get stolen or manipulated in some fashion.
Yeah. Not even Discord is free of that. Uh -huh.
Speaking of Discord, I know we all use Discord,
and their third -party verification service,
thankfully, got hacked just a few days before
they tried to make their forced verification
stuff go online. That is glorious. None of us
wanted that shit. Excuse me. So, safety surveillance.
Do you guys think that's anything good, or is
it control creep? Gibbs? It will never, ever,
ever be good. There's no form of surveillance
that is ever to your benefit. You never control
any of it. There's not a single point, either
where the cameras are, or where the microphones
are, or where the data is stored, when it's captured,
how it's captured, where it's disseminated to,
who's allowed to have it. You effectively have
zero control over any of that information. So
it will never, ever, ever be to your benefit.
And unfortunately, we have no laws about you
having the rights to your own data information
or your online persona or online activities.
So until something like that changes, it is always
bad every single time. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I want
your take on that, too, because as a former cop,
I'm sure you. have some maybe unique perspective
on that. Did you have to wear body cams or were
those gone or not out before you got out of it?
Oh no, I had to wear, it was towards the end
of my time on, but I was very happy to have them.
So yeah, with those, you know, it's like what,
you know, give said, you know, you have no control
of their data, but at the same time, It works
for the police when it's used properly because
you have individuals who like to lie on police
or lie about something or make things up. And
then later it's like, okay, well, you said this.
And they go, no, I didn't. And you go, stand
by with the replay. Oh, you said the officer
stomped a mud hole in your butt. Yes, he did.
Stand by. Let me pull up the body cam footage
of the officer. So him standing there talking
to you and you got pissed and walked away means
he stomped a mud hole in you, right? Okay. Stuff
like that happens every day. And that video is
like priceless. Oh, I'm sure. Yeah, there's probably
a ton of suits that got settled because of that.
Thank you. What I was going to say is before
the proliferation of AI. Surveillance in those
situations was good. However, now with how good
AI is, unfortunately, if there is any sort of
surveillance camera, I can make it look like
anything happened. If you give me even one frame
of that, even one bit of information, I can extrapolate
accordingly. So now, unfortunately, we are entering
a world to where, I hate to say it, but anything
can be faked. Anything can be changed. It doesn't
matter the level of security. It doesn't matter
the level of encryption or anything else. If
the video gets out anywhere, It can be manipulated
or changed. So that's something people need to
understand is unless it's a 100 % closed system,
unless it's only ever seen by certain people
and not accessible on the internet, there's no
security system that is safe. Do you think that's
necessarily true? What? Do you think that's necessarily
true even if it's a closed system? Just with
the proliferation of AI? Well, it's at least
in a closed system, you'd be able to have a reference.
So at least if anything came out, like if somebody
tried to spoof something happening or tried to
make an act claim, you could say, hey, you know,
we confirm with authorities eyeballs only that
like that is not where the camera position is.
That's not the kind of recording software. So
there is a way where you might be able to in
a court of law prove that it's not. But that's
going to be the problem is, unfortunately, even
if it's a closed system, you're still going to
have to go. to the lawyer to to a judge to figure
that out but in terms of the court of public
opinion posting up on youtube or online you know
good luck yeah yeah uh short of literally having
all videos immediately burned to physical media
that's unalterable i i don't know that you're
going to get around stuff like that I hate to
say it. That's why my, uh, my phone camera, sorry,
my, uh, my house camera set up. It's completely
closed loop. Yeah. Not that it's good luck. Cause
I'm sure there's ways to get around it, but it
would be so annoying to get around it that it's
not worth it. Yeah. Oh no. Somebody might want
to try to get in there and get your boxer briefs.
Uh, ew. I don't know. If you really want them,
I mean, I'll start an auction. I'll start at
five bucks. I don't know. Got to raise money
somehow. Right. Hey, that's one way for us to
raise some money for the show. I mean, women
sell their used stuff all the time. Why can't
we? Right. I'm not even going to dignify that
one with a proper response. I think we know.
I got no shame to my game. I need 20 bucks. What
I'm concerned about is the people that would
buy it would then show up to the meetup and we'd
be really fucking uncomfortable. That's the problem.
Hi, guys. I'm your biggest fan. No, I don't need
that. Can you sign this for me? No, what's even
more worrisome than that is the perfectly normal
individual that shows up. He's squeaky clean,
looks like your everyday Joe takes it and immediately
walks by going... Yep. Your round bob normal
pants. Yeah. No. That would be more disturbing.
Gets it out of the bag and just gives it that.
That to me would be more disturbing than just
seeing the psychopath walking out with the blue
hair. Yeah. Oh yeah. Because at least I'm expecting
it. It's the clean cut guy that you would never
think in a million years would do anything. And
they pull some shit like that and you're just
like brain fart. Someone hands you $100 at the
live show and says, give me your boxers now.
Do you do it? Hell yeah. I'll start a bidding
war for that. Hell yeah, I'll do it for $100.
Okay. Now, if someone does that and they have
the mic. You're setting this up. I don't like
this. They take a nice big whiff and then they
yell out. You got yourself a nice little man
pussy, don't you? I might have to rethink that
situation. Nope, nope, nope. That's what I respond
with. Sir, are you aware we're in a constitutional
carry state? Choose your next words wisely. That's
right. We are the land to fuck around and find
out. So let's not do that. And Ohioans like to
find out. Oh. So since the live show will be
in a barcade, we can't carry in there. However,
we will still be able to be armed with that thing.
If you guys remember the reference, twisted tea.
Oh, God. Oh, God. You're trying to kill a man.
Officer, this is my medicinal assault tea. The
officer, if he's worth his salt, is going, oh,
my God, you better have a fucking license for
that. Hey, it's not illegal. To suction cup a
four foot long dildo to it and then use it like
fling it Like the german like sticky grenade
thing like you just kind of get a get nice little
I could I would pay to see a video like that
just to hear the dink Dude wait, but instead
of doing dart throwing can we do like dildo throwing
and make like a fucking target? Is that allowed?
Is that not allowed? I don't know if that's allowed
or not at that bar. I will try to get clearance
if you really want. No, no, don't. I'm joking.
I'm sure he'll go for it. It would have to be
one of those nights where there's like no children
allowed. Well, it's a barcade. After like seven
or six, they kick the kids out anyways. God,
that'd be the... Oh my God. But yeah, if you
haven't seen the video of the guy getting his
face smashed in with a twisted T. at a gas station.
That happened in Ohio. So, Ohio's home of that
thing. The Twisted T. So, we can have those with
us. Now, getting back on topic. We have talked
a lot about Neuralink on this channel. So, talking
about Neuralink and the brain frontier. and how
our very thoughts could be under siege. As of
2026, this does not count as a siege. There are
21 functioning Neuralink implants right now.
Should we be worried about that? 21? No. However,
if you scale that up to the thousands, that corporate
America wants, private workforce, all kinds of
government sector. Automated surgery can make
it a very fast and painless procedure. All they
see in my brain is... Well, Empire of the Sun,
Eclipse Broadcast, that's the name of the band
and the song. There is a good segment of that
that is literally just the loading screen of
my brain. The guy's dancing around in the costume
with the shit kind of pumping in the background.
That's like my loading screen. But yeah, mass
forced adoption is becoming a debatable thing
in corporate America, in Congress, all over the
country. Private thought loss through BCI taps
and even into the subconscious and emotional
level of the brain. There is potential for it
to be a commoditized asset of the mind. We've
talked about how they're using AI to scan brains
for dream reporting and analysis. There's information
transmission. be unconscious. They had the two
subjects transmit data while they were asleep
in two different rooms. Imagine what you can
do with people if they had neural links and they
got that to work. I mean, it could be a whole
new type of crypto. It could be a whole new type
of spying, all kinds of stuff. So brain hacking
is something else. And yes, we've mentioned brain
hacking a few times on the show before, but when
you combine it with the Neuralink implant, I
think brain hacking kind of goes to a whole new
level because you've got individuals who have
key access to a lot of critical systems. If they
were mandated to get these implants and their
brains were actually to get hacked and that information
was to get out, then what? it's obvious answer
would just be get fucked it's going to be a huge
problem of not only rights for the individual
but also how do you even prove any of this stuff
because then the problem is is there even a paper
trail or digital trail any way of documenting
it you know being able to alter people without
any proof or knowledge or any one person pressing
a button or saying to go ahead um it's going
to cause systemic issues especially when you
consider we're not studying this for long enough
you know you're talking about people didn't understand
what certain drugs did to people for decades
what certain medications did for decades and
they're talking about allowing the stuff after
just a few years of study no way no you're talking
about some you're talking about some ghost in
the shell level shit yeah So I just had this
thought kind of sort of bring into my head. So
imagine a brain hack where critical things that
you need for your life are held hostage in like
a crypto lock kind of scenario. And they, they
find a way to put like a paywall in your brain.
If you want your heart to beat again in two minutes,
you need to pay us X amount of Bitcoin. Good
luck. Well, the problem is going to be to imagine
the amount of people that work in jobs and positions
where they have an NDA. Imagine if every day
when you walk into work, they just flip your
brain back on and then you walk out to turn it
off. All that information, all those memories
are not accessible. Not only that, but what if
that goes wrong? What happens if it's the other
way around? The person that walks into work is
not a person that exists. It's just, oh, yeah,
off with the personality, off with your attitude,
off with everything else. Just do the fucking
work. You know, it's just it's just slavery with
extra steps. That's all it is. That's all it's
going to be. You know, that that might not be
terrible. Some some people have very miserable
jobs and would probably opt to just shut it off.
The problem is, though. Right. But then the problem
is, is what happens when it glitches and you
can't turn it off? Now you got a bunch of zombies.
Now you got yourself open to a fucking lawsuit.
Well, if the zombie apocalypse is going to start,
maybe that's how it starts. Why do I feel like
the zombies at that point are just going to be
like fucking Good Burger? Welcome to Good Burger.
How may I take your order? I love you. A little
bit of drool coming out of their mouth. Honestly,
that would probably make my day. It would be
funny the first time. It would have to be a large
Hawaiian guy doing it. It's like in a movie.
Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. I guess I would agree.
There could be some jobs that could be beneficial,
but that has to be consensual. Because, God forbid,
it happens to, I don't know, an EMT. you know
police officer it's gonna be like the fucking
and like a spongebob like the orb of confusion
just a turd on everyone yep oh my god so um i
i mentioned the uh the the neural link digital
crosstalk so i wanted to expand on that for a
second um imagine kind of like signal interference
between neural channels or devices. Dense implants
cause noise pickup below a certain level. And
if they're not shielded correctly, or if there's
a bunch of people who have maybe this single
glitch, it could lead to unintended data shares
or essentially neural eavesdropping, where a
group of people are sharing thoughts that they
didn't want to share. And all of a sudden, Bob
and Jerry sitting on the bus know each other's
thoughts and what they're thinking. Yeah. It's
kind of a hive mind mentality, but it wasn't
consensual. And it also kind of stems in some
really, really fucking dark territory. If somebody
realizes that they can do that to somebody, if
they could hijack someone's implant. And start
reading their thoughts or even worse implanting
thoughts. I think that would be just as bad.
You're running along the thoughts is this one
author who wrote Kaiju Battlefield Surgeon. And
it goes off the same. Yeah, same principle idea.
They, you know, get people locked in this VR
simulation and by, you know, observing through
optical implants and stuff like that and showing
their victims like, hey. You don't do what we
tell you. Hey, look, here's a video feed from
your loved one, and they're doing X, Y, and Z
right now. And if we have the control, we'll
just turn them off. Wow. That'd be worth a watch,
maybe, or a read. I guess something to consider,
too. If you have that crosstalk problem, there's
going to be a lot of civil unrest, a lot of violence
out of nowhere, a lot of shattering relationships.
It's going to be a lot of very honest people
that work in customer service. The inside thoughts
are no longer inside thoughts, and now I'm fighting
this man. Hey, I've said it before. If you work
in retail, you should be allowed to fight one
customer a day or a week. Period. That'll make
a lot of people try to be as nice as possible
after that. You ain't kidding. So we've got unintended
data shares, neural eavesdropping. And now here's
something else. I want to stay on kind of the
dark side of this for just a minute. Injecting
false signals and manipulating like it's an invasive
kind of pattern. Potentially overloading the
implants and causing damage that way or setting
up something that could threaten to do that.
then you've placed essentially a ticking device
in someone's head. And as these things get mass
adopted, all of a sudden, that's a lot of things
running around in someone's head. Or in a lot
of someone's heads. So there should be ways to
protect against this if there aren't already.
I mean, before these things go out into the mass
deployment, you would hope that they solve these
problems. Signal drift requires things like recalibration.
Bio -cyber security needs to be something that
is a thing. That's a mouthful. We've got external
fields tampering with the implants. Potential
for crosstalk in shared environments like the
workplace. That kind of research needs done.
And with only, how many did I say, 21 implants?
We don't have the data right now. So the research
we do have shows that flexible arrays, like the
ones they're using, reduce the potential for
crosstalk via better adhesion and minimal interference.
But there are gaps in the protocols, and that
could enable... behavior tweaks or data leaks.
So even in the data that I could find, they're
admitting that the current technology has some
of these potential gaps and issues already. So
this is what they're already trying to push out
onto the masses. They know it's flawed. It's
like a bad Windows update. Yeah, at some point
it's going to be something they're going to push
out there and they're not going to be able to
pull it back. Hopefully I'm not around for that
one. Well, it's going to be the COVID shit all
over again. Yeah. You're going to have people
lining up to take the implant and a bunch of
people refusing to take the implant. Yeah. And
what will probably be the driving factor is for
child safety. Probably. Or if they get the CBDCs
brought out, central banking digital currency,
if they do that, you could have your implant
tied to your bank accounts and everything. I
shared a video on the podcast Facebook page the
other day about how all that could look, how
dystopian that whole scenario can be. It's terrifying.
It's bad enough you don't really have any rights
to your money as it is once it's in the bank.
I can only imagine Duke cryptocurrency. You literally
have no money if they decide, hey, no, you're
cut off. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah, no thanks. Yeah.
Gibbs, there's a lot of big words. Did you want
to try some of this on the next section? Oh,
yeah. Nice. Set me up on that one. You can say
no. I'll do it. I'm used to myself online, you
know. It's the big words like mayonnaise. Mayonnaise.
Mayonnaise. It's not an instrument, but it's
a wrestling medium. It is on my desktop. So there
is also something else called a synchronic, basically
an endovascular stent. It's much less invasive.
It's sort of via blood vessels. It's a stent
road! Apparently there's supposed to be roughly
10, if not more, human implants by 2026. I don't
know if it's by the end of 2026 or by the start
of 2026. I'm assuming by the end, by the context.
But there's advanced trials for paralysis prepping
large scale ahead of approval. Focus on motor
decoding without skull surgery. For people that
are like quadriplegic, paraplegic, stuff like
that, loss of motor functions. That's good stuff.
Well, especially for people like suffering from
Parkinson's, for example, or ALS or any one of
those degenerative diseases. It would be really
good. It'd be awesome. But again, it's always
the Jurassic Park. of, you know, are you going
to stop there? And the answer is always no. Yeah,
but I don't think grandma's going down the hallway
and eating people. See, you know what worries
me is imagine they give people the ability for
motor functions, but they forgot about the human
limitations we have on our muscles. So all of
a sudden, I'm at the age of 75, is able to use
100 % of her muscles, like tear it off. It's
like, oh, great. Now I got Super Grandma who
beat the shit out of me. It's gonna happen. Well,
the worst case scenario out of that is they're
gonna give her 100 % use of her muscles and her
bones will shatter. Yeah. Grandma's like, I feel
great! Well, then she'll just be sitting there
beating your face to a pulp with that squelch
of the muscles. Oh, God. Grandma's beating me
with her pudgy fist. Oh, man. There's going to
be some poor bastard that hasn't played with
himself in 20 years due to losing the ability
to use his arms. Grab his dick for the first
time and fucking rip it off. The worst part will
be it's like he'll come off and then his hand
let go at the same time. So it goes rocking off
into the horizon. So you're never going to find
it. Right out the window, out of the highway,
right over by the AT Wheeler. 18 -wheeler jackknocks
because he's like, what the was that? It's John
Bobbitt all over again. Turn your head and spit,
Gibbles. Oh, God. That's great. Good job. There
are also high bandwidth cortical arrays, Connexus
BCI, using roughly 1600 plus electrodes. It's
a far more invasive type of technology, but it's
much higher resolution for things like speech.
I don't know what speech. What do you mean by
intent? So like coordination, like using. So
like high fidelity coordination. Yes. Yes. Thank
you. Okay. That's what I figured. So, for something
like that, for speech, definitely, there's a
lot of people, especially, and I deal with this
with my grandma, like, after her stroke and stuff
like that, that for speech therapy and pathology,
that could be absolutely huge. Especially people,
you know, that have been through any sort of
trauma. Especially, you know, there's a lot of
soldiers, stuff like IEDs, explosives, stuff
like that, that have a lack of use of those muscles.
Yet, another good technology that could be great.
It's all great and all fun and games until a
base with a system, absolute malfunctions, and
you have, like, Tourette's and you're saying
racial slurs at the top of your lungs out in
the middle of nowhere. Just, you know. It's like,
great, now I'm going to get attacked at Walmart.
Oh, this is awesome. But it honestly could be
epic. It could be really good. Maybe that's what
happened to that one guy at the Black Horde show.
His software glitched. Oh, my God. It wasn't
his fault. It was the AI. Imagine if somebody
hacks that and they just have, like, the R word
or the N word just on their phone. I just, like,
press the button. And it gets stuck. Oh, yes.
Oh, there's someone. That's the thing. If anybody's
played the game Cyberpunk, like, they know where
the stuff's kind of going. Yeah. That was a good
game. I really have to play it. I have it on
my Steam library, but I've never played it. Now
that it's been all this time later now, all the
bugs are gone for the most part, so it's definitely.
I'll have to add it to my list. Gibbs, let me
ask you this, just as a side note. How many games
in your Steam library can you say that about?
You own that you've never played. Probably 10%.
Wow. It's impressive. It's way better than me.
I'm not like some people that have a subscription
to Humble Bundle and have like 1 ,500 games.
That person is currently in our chat, and I'm
not going to call them out, but they know who
they are. I collect my games like Pokemon. They
all go into a little ball, and they stay there
in the dark and never come out. Oh, man. But
anyways. All right. got them there are non -invasive
alternatives um colonel's optical helmet that's
used for brain mapping there's norables eeg headsets
um they're having a focus on the consumer goods
market and attention tracking uh there's braincos
headbands for eeg for wellness and bionics by
the way the fact there's a company called brainco
i literally had to look this up because i thought
you were you were bullshitting me on that i was
like no no also i'm not going to lie when i was
reading about that optical helmet no bullshit
i was thinking about the helmet that rick keeps
in his garage on rick and morty yeah that's like
the exact thing i was picturing but no that's
like the shotgun shell helmet of death well if
they have an optical helmet eventually that works
i mean you'll be finally finally be able to do
like vr proper and finally be able to do some
of that kind of stuff If you've ever seen, if
anyone's here ever seen SAO online or the better
version, SAO online abridged, you'll understand
exactly what I'm talking about. Cause the abridged
one. Yeah. Or an extremely obscure reference,
uh, Futurama. One of the first episodes, they
have a scene where Amy's on the moon at the lunar
park. She's playing virtual, virtual ski ball.
Yeah. It's, it's, it's a VR headset where she's
playing virtual. in the headset. Inception VR?
Why? Yeah. Oh, yeah. They were calling it like
they saw it. Uh -huh. Dude, we're going to do
the episode where we have to talk about Matt
Groening and how he was a time traveler. Oh,
he's 100 % a time traveler. Dude, that man is
just calling everything. He has been right more
times than he is allowed to have been. and like
specifically right not generally the right like
literally right to the details are what weirds
everybody out yeah groaning is proof that time
travel exists you're allowed to be off on the
date but the details are what weirds everybody
out about it yeah he's one of those people he
probably isn't allowed to play the lottery no
no it'd be too obvious then uh -huh Imagine if
you were the year like 2150 or something like
that, they discover time travel. You go back
in time and you do animated TV shows. Out of
all the careers. And not only animated TV shows,
but the longest running television show. It's
all conspiracy theory, man. The government's
funding it. Here's the Simpsons to fund time
travel. Listen, listen. Hey, we've done dumber
shit. Yvonne at Niage, okay? Yvonne at Niage.
Tell me you know that one, Gibbles. Dear God,
tell me you remember that one. Why do you think
I'm shaking my head? Back in the day, they had
an episode of The Simpsons where they used the
kids. They turned them into a boy band. It was
Bart, Milhouse, The fat kid, the cop's son, and
one other one. They turned them into a boy band.
They were singing that song. And if you played
it backwards, it was join the Navy. How many
people when they signed up for the Navy specifically
cited that? Zero. Yeah, there was a little bit
of an uptick in recruitment after that. Just
a little bit. I've never believed in that bullshit.
If you play a song backwards and it says something,
you're more likely to do it. It wasn't because
of that. It was the joke itself that made people
go, you know what? I'm going to join. Okay. Oh,
so that was the intention. I didn't know that.
I thought it was like a side effect. Okay. Yeah.
Oh, no, no. Yeah. Anyways, let's keep going on
this. I'm so confused. Awesome. So there is also
Meta's new wristband that is coming out. It uses...
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
What? So I just threw the data on and didn't
look at some of this. I totally missed that.
What? They have a wristband? Yeah. They have
VR. Of course they're going to have a wristband.
Hold on, hold on, hold on. So they're going to
be tracking movements of the wrist, correct?
I know where you're going with this. Where are
we going? I'm not going to like this. Is this
thing going to be tracking like... This is not
a competition. There are no leaderboards. No.
It's not like that. No. No, I know what you're
thinking. Are we, are we talking like RPMs or
are we talking like. No, the SPM stroke. Well,
if you're a revolution, are we going to be getting
the, the warnings at like two in the morning?
Like, why are you running? Dude, if you have
like family members that share their like wellness
data. From like their watches or like the Fitbit
trackers and stuff. You will get warnings about
that. Oh, my God. Like all the chaos I could
instill. Yeah. Dad, why are you running at 3
a .m.? I'm not running. It's weird. He runs from
1130 to 1230 every night for an hour. His BPM
is at like 165. I don't get it. Listen, if I
could do that for an hour. My arm would look
like the billboard off of Idiocracy. I would
be quagmire in that one episode. Yeah. There'd
be parts of my body going, no, I'm not coming
back. It's left with the little hat. Yeah, it's
gone off for cigarettes and it hasn't come back.
Don't worry. They make pills to help you out
with that, buddy. Don't you worry. Those pills
have a limit, though. I was about to say, after
an hour of that, I don't know. That's when your
body starts looking at you in the mirror. Listen,
the spirit's willing, but the flesh is spongy
and bruised. Yeah. No more snoo -snoo. Yeah.
Oh, anyway, sorry to get off on that. We're eventually
going to have to do an after show where we can
talk about some of this stuff, like, without
the censorship, because the amount of questions
I have, but anyways. Uh -huh. Maybe that'll be
our first Patreon episode. He doesn't understand.
So for Meta's wristband, which is going to be
interesting because that means they're now going
to be tracking your biometric data, which that
I'm very curious about because when that goes
into VR, that's going to be nefarious. Just saying.
Let's just take a moment and be thankful that
it's a wristband and not a butt plug. Oh, that's
for the subwoofer and the bass effects. Uh -huh.
You can really feel the rumbling of the shells
all around you. It's the Thunderdome. Oh, God.
Why is Private Pilot sitting by the artillery
and he's moaning in the corner? I don't know
why. It's weird. He keeps saying, why is the
artillery just going around? Oh, God. Oh, man.
Sorry. Last, hopefully, last segue for the live
show. I want to get that remote -controlled device
that the one guy uses in all those shorts where
he's running through the park. What? The fart
machine. Oh. Mm -hmm. Yep. Yep. I just want to
walk around the barcade doing that. Oh, God.
It's not even that big. You're going to drive
everyone away. I'll wait until after the show's
over. It's all right. Yeah, they're going to
get mad at you. Everyone else is good. You can't
come back. You're no good. You scared my wife.
So getting back to it, Menace Wristband will
be reading nerve impulses for... augmented reality
and virtual reality control so it's gonna be
an all integrated system which that'll be if
you have like the meta glasses with the wristband
you know could be that's gonna make vr porn all
kinds of different uh it is i was getting ready
to say you realize we gotta get past this because
we're not gonna be able to stop all right i'll
shut up So Chinese players like NeuroXS are implants.
This is one of the ones I want to add some clarification
on for me in a second. Or Gestala are ultrasound
or non -invasive implants. There's a market trend
right now for hybrids blending invasive precision
with non -invasive safety. So when you're talking
about Chinese players like NeuroXS, are you talking
like esports players? Are you talking like...
No, businesses. Okay, that was my confusion for
a second. Okay. Okay, so they're doing non -invasive
types of implants. Fair. Just a little, something
you just inject under the skin kind of thing
or just something simple. Yeah. Okay. Could be
useful. Also, not for nothing, but the Chinese
developing medical tech is never, you know, doesn't
have a great track record. Not a good track record.
No. If maybe they stop stealing stuff and just,
developed it themselves, they might have a better
record. It's way more efficient for them to just
steal the tech. I'm just saying, it would look
better. Now that you brought up the whole Chinese
players talking about esports stuff, I could
absolutely see putting ultrasound implants in
their fingers. Oh, I'll be real. I think there's
eventually going to be a time where, like, you're
not going to use a keyboard. It's all going to
be just in your fingers. You should put it on
a desk or do or it's going to look like, oh,
God, there's like Mass Effect. Yeah, exactly.
Where they have the like the alternate reality
keyboard in the air. But it's going to be whatever
your fingers are, whatever geometry you want.
Yeah, you know, I think there's going to be a
lot of sports. where these types of implants
are going to be a big problem. And they're going
to have to be tested. There's going to be a huge
issue with that. I would like some kind of a
buzzer implant in my fingers. Maybe just like
one or two of them. That's getting lazy. You
got to earn it, buddy. That's getting lazy. Just
assistive tech. Fair, fair, fair. You can't get
like a fake finger to slap over the top of it
that buzzes? No, that's not a thing. I mean,
maybe. Maybe. Okay. Anyways. Moving on. So, is
the Neuralink considered a miracle? Or is it
a brain hack nightmare with crosstalk chaos?
I kind of call me an asshole. I kind of want
to see the crosstalk chaos happen just once.
Not like ultra large scale. Just enough to sow
chaos to the point where they lose their absolute
shit. Like a whole office. The amount of men
that are going to be thrown in jail for sexual
misconduct for their thoughts alone. But the
first time it happens, they couldn't because
there's no precedent. Bullshit. It's in your
mind. Therefore, your mind is your safe space.
The legal shit that would fall out of that would
be godly. How do you prove it? It would be orgasmic.
can't prove who it is either well now could you
depends on what you said here's the other thing
and this is something that just kind of hit me
a lot of us have an inner monologue oh yeah some
have that inner monologue in your voice if the
crosstalk happens does that transfer oh my god
all those people that are npcs that don't have
an inner monologue they're immune to this fuck
you There are a lot of people out there that
don't have that. Unfortunately, I have entire
ecosystems in my brain, so good luck. My brain's
never fucking silent. That'd be terrifying. Yeah.
I have destroyed and created civilizations in
my head. Is your head like the freezer in Love,
Death, and Robots? yeah it's kind of like that
in a way god i was astounded to find out some
people don't have an inner monologue i know oh
that blows my mind i don't know how you could
operate like that i still believe those people
don't have souls they're npcs yeah they are the
npcs absolutely they are the nissan ultimate
drivers of the world yeah that's a good way to
look at that you know you know if you don't know
don't worry about it You're one of them. If you
don't know, there's a reason. Oh, my goodness.
Oh, man. That'd be crazy. So I'll take this one
here. Hypothetical question. Mass adoption. Is
that going to equal your employer or whoever
controls the mass adoption? Are they going to
be in control of your brain and everything in
it? And if so, would they be responsible for
anything that would stem from any kind of crosstalk
leak? Who knows? And do you think that people
that do get the implants under the guise of the
work requirements, would they be required to
sign NDAs? i have a feeling they'll do exactly
what disney used to do with people just like
if you're an animator for disney any work you
do outside of disney is also owned by disney
i feel like the same thing you're going to do
that with the nda is where the stuff where anything
you think of while work for the company or not
working for the company is their is their property
because it's what the assistance of their technology
i will bet you i i'm willing to bet you my entire
401k that like that's what they will do yeah
i can see that yeah that's that's just shitty
enough that yeah I could see that. Oh, all right.
Well, we can go on to the next section here.
I don't think that one. Gibbles, do you want
to take this next one? Yeah, sure. The pushback
in the future. Uh -huh. Wow, this is short. Greg's
countering state bans on invasives, right, to
forget expansions, FTC on BCIs, slash kids, hacks,
VPNs, encryption, grassroots, neural rights.
Yeah, so we have VPNs for our computers. Right,
which they want to get rid of. Yeah, right. Would
we have to essentially look into developing the
same tech for our brains? Oh, God, yeah, absolutely.
But the problem is you're about to have quantum
computing, so you're going to have to look at
quantum encryption. Uh -huh. So, yeah. You absolutely
need encryption, but the problem is, again, these
asshats aren't taking the time to research anything.
It's going to be absolute mayhem. Uh -huh. Yeah,
but then the right to forget. I mean, anything
that you work on under an employer that forced
you to get the implant, maybe you get to keep
the implant, but you're just forced to forget
everything you did. That could be horrifying.
Yeah. Literally forget tens of years of your
life. Well, not only that, but, you know, at
certain points in your life, there's things that
happen that create, you know, what we call core
memories. You know, everybody's watched the Disney
movie. And those memories could potentially steer
your inner self to grow and mature in a certain
way. If it so happens that that memory gets erased
because it happened at work, what does that do
to you overall in the long term? How effed up
are you going to be now because you no longer
have that core memory? How's your brain going
to react to that? we already know that your brain
makes decisions microseconds before you even
decided to do it. So God only knows what that
would do to a person's psyche. If you know, the
brain just doesn't have certain things that it
requires to make those decisions based off of
other interactions that you've done in the past.
Yeah. What I didn't think about until now is
There would be a lot of companies that they could
lock down everything they do behind that NDA
and just make you forget it. So there are certain
companies that will never have competition. Yeah.
There would be no competition. Also, there's
potentially a way to lock out the information
when you're off the clock. Yeah. Well, not only
that. Hold on. I just had this thought. In the
event, say you're working at a factory. Something
happens at work that you know damn well should
not have taken place because it was not safe.
It could potentially get somebody hurt. And guess
what? It's stuck. It's locked behind a locked
memory because of the fact of NDA issues. You
can't be a whistleblower anymore. You can't report
to somebody saying, hey, this is not safe. We
shouldn't do that. The company can be like. We
don't have to do shit because nobody knows about
it. And now somebody could potentially die because
you don't remember it. So it's like it never
happened. It's like race, race, race, race. I
didn't think about that. That's yeah. That's
unless you can find a way to get the data out
while you're on the clock. Good luck with that.
But then you're in jail. Yeah. Yeah, but if they've
already figured out a way to lock out your memories
during the day when you go home, who's to say
they haven't figured out how to lock shit down
even when you're working? You know? That's true.
Because at that point, it probably wouldn't take
much to be like, oh, you know, my, you know,
silly as this is, it would be like, say you're
going on a dating site and it's for some other
country. So you have the intermediary. where
they're translating both ways. It's not much
to say the intermediaries, the software that's
blocking your memories, going, oh, well, anything
with this particular nomenclature or this particular
verbiage, I need to immediately block so that
this can't go out. Right? Yeah, you're right.
So again, whistleblowers would literally go right
out the window because no one would be able to
report on it because they would never remember.
It'd be like it never happened. Or God forbid,
now you're talking about sexual assaults. You're
talking about racism. You're talking about all
that heavy stuff that doesn't take place in the
workplace, or at least it shouldn't. But now
it could potentially happen. Crimes could take
place while you're at work. And you would never
know. Jane Doe goes home and she's got bruises
all over her body because her boss decided to
rape her. And he's able to lock it all down because
behind that NDA, like Gibbs said, you don't remember
anything. So you have no idea where that came
from. So you can't report it because you're going
to be like, I don't know where it came from.
Yeah. The tech has some extremely dark sides
that I don't think a lot of people are really
considering. Stuff like that. Yeah. And who's
to say also, if they can lock down the memories,
if they have access to that level of tech, they
can probably just go in and delete them. Yeah,
absolutely. And then you literally don't know
what happened. Yeah. It's like I said, if a crime
takes place, you're screwed. Oh, what happened
to my phone? Oh, I don't know. I don't even remember
what happened today. I was there. I know that
much. Right. It's, uh, it's scary. Shit. Shit,
dude. But, uh, we'll say, though, one of that
next, the next part. Yeah. Yeah, because then
you have the law of safe privacy, which, I mean,
kind of hitting on. Resistance, hope, tipping
risks, anonymity, privacy revolt, unplug or rebel,
divides Gen Z, demands control. So all of that.
We have laws trying to get put in place and that
need to get put in place to protect privacy of
anybody that adopts this tech. They could end
up being a bandaid, but the tech could just flood
everything and overwrite all of it. The thought
premium, there could be limits on the access
you get to your own head. And like we were talking
about earlier, you... You end up having to watch
an ad to get full access to your head for an
hour or two. That's terrifying. A paywall for
your dreams. You just go to sleep and you don't
dream unless you pay to get access to dreaming.
That's fucking terrifying. I would murder a lot
of people. Uh -huh. There's the risk of having
anonymity just being wiped off the face of the
earth. That's... Ugh. Uh, the privacy revolt.
Yeah. Um, you, you can unplug and just not take
the implants or maybe you maliciously take the
implant and screw it up intentionally. True.
You do that. And you become the reason that the
implants start getting crosstalk. Um, we're,
we're starting to run a little long, so I'll
go, I'll jump into this last section here. Uh,
About 70 % of people who were polled, and I could
not find the actual numbers, but it was a broad
description here. People were data concerned,
but tracking adoption remained steady. It was
a pretty party split result on surveillance and
brain tech. The Democrat side favored regulations
and the Republicans favored freedom. No big surprise
there. the Neuralink discussion, both sides kind
of equaled out on hope and fears. So I guess
that's kind of positive because both sides saw
the same kind of stuff. You know, a quick segue
on that. If there is a bunch of Neuralink mass
adoption, do you guys think that could change
the outcome of elections? Oh, 100%. Oh, God,
yeah. Kidding? That there are an infinite amount
of ways that can be used to influence anything.
Oh, yeah. Especially, I will bet you money, the
minute those are adopted, people will vote from
it. They'll say, oh, you have a neural link.
We can tell it's you, so just vote from home.
You don't have to go out and do it. The ultimate
voter ID. That's really not, because no one's
going to be able to trust it. Who the hell is
going to trust that shit? Yeah. No one. So then
we have the new privacy war. It'll be the elites
versus the regular people. You know, it could
be, it could be the people who have the neurotech
and those that don't. Right. Data might be worth
more than the people. And I was talking about
this at the beginning of the show. The possibility
for people to be able to sell themselves for
data the same way that they donate plasma for
money right now. If there are ways for people
to essentially whore themselves out as data points
for companies, would this or could this become
a way for people to make, get by money? Yeah,
beer money, pizza money, or just I need gas money,
I need to make the rent, that kind of shit, because
people sell plasma now. Think about this. Yeah,
people will definitely find a way to use that
to make a little bit of scratch. Think about
this. I'm going to bet you money this is what's
going to happen. AI data centers are expensive.
People are cheap. You know what they're going
to say? Hey, we'll sponsor you in Neuralink.
We'll pay you a couple hundred bucks a month
if while you're sleeping we can use your brain
to use AI to be able to either Bitcoin mine or
do some other sort of productive thing or run
some data, run some tests. They're going to absolutely
do it. Yeah, that's... They're going to. Yeah.
You're not wrong. They probably will. And then
that's how we go down the slippery slope of becoming
batteries for the machines. They weren't using
us as power. That they were using us to mine
Bitcoin. Or to just as processing, you know,
because there's going to come a day where humans
are far cheaper than, you know, CPUs. Yeah. I
hate to say it. Yeah. And then the inequality
gaps, basically tool access, brain tech polarization.
I'm curious if there could be a differentiation
between high IQ and low IQ. And if there would
be a premium on that? Possibly. It all depends
on how the neural link and the AI uses the brain.
We're still so far away from understanding what's
required. Is it literally just neural connections
or the efficiency of those connections or how
that brain operates? Who knows? And how much
does every particular brain influence the results
of using neural link? do computational tests
who knows yeah so to kind of wrap this up a little
bit um do you guys think that if they can solve
the crosstalk issues that would be the big make
or break for the the neural link mass adoption
or you think it's going to be the the forced
versus voluntary use of the tech So I hate to
say it. I feel like it's going to be something
that's going to be mass adopted at some point.
I personally think it should be for medical reasons
only just because I feel like that is removing
a significant part of humanity and the control
over what you think and how you experience the
world is something that's uniquely biological
and especially the way we see it uniquely human.
So I would be very much against that in terms
of mass adoption commercially. However. in the
world that we live in quite frankly if they can
make a dollar they will happily stomp us into
the ground so it's definitely going to become
commercially adopted and it's going to be something
that eventually i hate to say it it's going to
be required it will be federally required someday
just like vaccines or anything else to where
they're going to say yep you know you have your
mandated medical stuff yep all right you have
your neural link yep cool you're a citizen it's
going to take it's going to take the place of
a social security number so i'd and they will
fix those issues. I wonder, and this is me kind
of nerding out for a second, could this be like
the earliest 0 .0 .1 version alpha attempt of
humanity to transition into the Borg? We are
the Borg. I think... We are here to party. There's
always a level of humanity that wants to have
some level of independence, even if it's somewhat
flawed or fake. Whereas a collective like that
inherently has zero independence is entirely
a collective. However, I would say we might become
a collective social hybrid collective. It might
be socially a collective where, yes, people might
choose what jobs they do and what functions they
have, but social in terms of what the group thinks.
how they think politically, socially, what causes
they are championing or fighting for. I feel
like that would become, instead of, right now
the political spectrum is very wide, it would
become very, very narrow. Especially for social
expectations, how people treat one another. Kind
of what's expected out in public life. I feel
like that would shrink tremendously. But people
would still have to avoid things like depression
and anxiety and other stuff. They still have
to feel somewhat useful, unless... If Neuralink
is so good, they can just completely mute out
or get rid of any of those emotions. Because
that's the key driving factor with people. Is
there emotional regulation involved with the
Neuralink? If it's able to help regulate or even
suppress or alter, then the sky's the limit,
man. You could turn us into savage fighting orcs
from Warhammer 40K if you wanted to. Or you could
have us be like the humans from WALL -E. Take
your pick. No one can go either way. Yep. As
long as I can get pizza to grow out of the ground,
I'm happy. Right. Yeah, I'm going down that same
thought path. I kind of wonder if the tech could
be developed and matured enough to let humanity
kind of go down that Ready Player One future
where instead of using VR as their kind of everyday
mode of, of life. It's all using neural link.
Yeah. Yeah. I can see. I mean, it wouldn't be
the worst thing, but obviously it wouldn't be
the best thing there. So that's possible. I,
I just, It's still a subject that I think is
even deeper than we could ever hope to get into
on this show. But I still feel like getting the
conversations out there is important. Because
this is stuff that's likely coming down the pipe.
Well, it's something that could easily end our
species if we're not careful. Oh, yeah. Right.
Because something people need to realize is with
Neuralink or anything else, if they're able to
alter, monitor, or change how the brain functions
or any emotional state, there's usually a big
thing with a lot of governments that try to manipulate
people's relationships, particularly romantic
ones. I'll tell you right now, if you get rid
of the family structure for most people or any
sort of support structure or traditional relationships,
Because that's something that could immediately
wipe that out. That could immediately wipe out
the idea of ever having a family. Support minutes,
things like that. On the flip side, it could
also fix a lot of things. All of a sudden, you
could have a lot of people showing up from their
cigarette and milk runs. They could. That's the
other thing, too. They can make people forcibly
bonded with their neural links. So here's the
problem. How often a range of marriage is going
to happen now where the neural links are. And
it's like, Hey, you know, these two wealthy people
want to have an even wealthier company. Well,
your neural links are getting bonded. Tough shit.
You're going to like it, whether you like it
or not. And that here comes the ethical dilemma
of, does it matter if you're happy, even if it's
artificial? I mean, at that point you wouldn't
know. Exactly. So then the relationships are
meaningless. Yeah, exactly. That would bring
a whole new level of dating app onto the market.
Yeah. Neuralink .com Neuralinked. Yeah. Quick,
buy the site before somebody else does. You want
me to? I can right now. Oh, but... Gibles can
buy domain names. Yeah. I got hitched on Neuralink
.com. I don't know. That's going to be a thing
that's going to happen. Oh, yeah. All right.
Well, if you guys don't have anything else to
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