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Pip. Tonight, as always, are my co -hosts, Gibbles
and Gibbs. Hello! Hi. And I just wanted to kind
of let you guys know something and ask you if
you've run into this. I did one of those phone
updates, finally, because it's just been nagging
at me. And now my phone is auto -correcting help
in my text messages to, you're doing great, sweetie.
So now my phone is literally gaslighting me harder
than my ex ever did. And I figure that now it's
just going to start narrating my dreams in Morgan
Freeman voice. And then Pip ate the entire pizza
alone in the dark while crying. And then he fucked
up. So, you know, I figure it's that or nothing.
So welcome to the show, everyone. Going to take
a trip down memory lane tonight. Last season,
we had discussed, we had a gun episode, Why We
Pew. We talked about American gun culture and
a lot of the issues that surround Americans and
firearm culture, laws, and everything else in
general. Since that episode, there have been
A lot of changes in that realm, we'll say. To
kind of re -familiarize people that are new to
the show, the basics of the Second Amendment,
you know, the right of the people shall not be
infringed. To keep and bear arms shall not be
infringed. It's primarily for self -defense,
defense of yourself, your home, and others. It's
for the ability of a militia to be raised and
stand up against a tyrannical government. And
also the U S government, but you know, well,
I think now more than ever, we have to worry
about the possibility of outside governments
encroaching in different ways and, and the U
S government not doing anything about it. And
that's something we'll, we'll touch on later.
That's like state governments. Well, even, yes.
State governments, national governments, everything,
every kind of government that you have to potentially
worry about, you need to be able to protect yourselves
from them. There's also been... Go ahead. I was
going to say, because then you end up with some
pussy -ass bitches like this mayor out west that
thinks you should be shamed for having expressed
your Second Amendment right. For shame. Yeah.
But, you know, he still has that police escort
and everything, you know, who have guns. Yeah.
Yeah. Just saying. Yeah. The people that make
the laws are making these laws from behind the
barriers and protection of those who are already
armed. So take that away. And I think their tune
will change. But there's there's been a lot of
recent legal shakeups. The Supreme Court has
heard some cases. There's been a lot of law defining.
state level cases that have been heard and the
ripples of those cases are starting to kind of
get felt all across the country with other cases
getting challenged based off of the results of
those so we'll we'll touch on some of those here
in a little bit uh some stats that i was able
to dig up um right now in america 32 of adults
personally own a gun now i felt that stat was
very low And it may have been off in some degree,
but then I started to think about the population
offset of your major population centers, and
a lot of those places tend to be gun -free zones
overall. I'll tell you, I think 32 might be a
high number. Because to give you an idea, New
York City, they didn't allow any firearms until
recently. You had to be someone of either a big
political stance or somebody that regularly carried
large amounts of, you know, like money or jewelry,
something like that. So in New York City, they
were limited to like a few thousand out of the
millions that were there. Like Boston isn't as
bad, but same thing with places like in New Jersey
as well. They're pretty restrictive. Look at
like Chicago, Detroit, other places like that
where they are very restrictive. So you're probably
talking like, I bet you less than 1 % or half
a percent chance in a lot of those cities. Because
I've spent a lot of time in these cities. I rarely,
I rarely knew anybody else that would carry.
Yeah. Well, okay, so still, even if that's roughly
accurate, you're still talking a third of the
country is armed. That's not bad. Once you get
outside the major cities, it's the majority.
Oh, yeah. That's the catch. That's really the
catch in America, where in any major metropolitan
area, most of it. probably i'm curious where
um places like out down in louisiana or in dallas
texas or even in like nashville like certain
areas that are kind of more conservatively near
republican i'm curious if how much higher they
are but definitely in rural areas once you get
out past the cities it's a significant portion
yeah definitely the majority um the other number
that i thought was kind of weird and it kind
of went against that 32 percent Between 42 %
and 44 % of people in the country are gun -owning
households. So I think they just looked at the
number of actual homeowners, not renters or anything.
So in that number, again, I think that's low
because once you own that house, you want to
be able to protect it. Yeah, but you've got to
realize that... There's a lot of people that
don't. Yeah, that's true. There's a lot of people
that don't. I know both of you are more rural
areas, but I'll tell you at least around where
I'm at that's near a major metropolitan area,
people like me are almost a unicorn, which I
think offsets it. I hate to say it, but it definitely
does. And when you think about it. And there
are some apartments around here that will not
allow it. That shouldn't even be allowed to be
regulated. Yep, figure that one out. There's
some around here, as one of my friends is finding
out, you can't park a commercial vehicle at an
apartment complex. Yeah, they're allowed to make
whatever rules they want. So people got to understand
that sometimes it's not always about people exercising
a right or not. Sometimes it's literally, hey,
if the area leans a certain way, you just can't
do it. Wow. Almost ties in with like fines and
penalties for laws. You know, if the punishment
for a law is just a fine, then it only exists
to generate revenue. It has nothing to do with
safety. So to give people the idea why that is,
why I'm bringing that up, is because there are
some apartments around here you can't have a
safe. And in Massachusetts, you cannot own a
firearm if you don't have a safe. So figure that
one out. Why can't you have a safe? Because you
cannot install one. Who cares if it's installed?
In Massachusetts. Doesn't matter. It has to be
secure. In order for it to be secure, it must
be installed. It can't just be like a loose.
Yeah. Gotta love it. What if it's like a 6 -700
pound safe? That ain't moving. I mean, you can
probably get around that, but then here comes
the problem of, oh yeah, they might not allow
that in the apartment. Per the lease agreement.
Good luck with that. Unless you're on the first
floor. Yeah, I'd like to find some ways to challenge
some bullshit like that. But good luck with with
gun ownership becoming a little bit more mainstream.
There's still a lot of polls that are split roughly
60 40 on stricter laws for the firearms. So the
question we're asking is bear everything kind
of the next frontier as a last resort. is that
going to be turning into a recipe for chaos?
If you look at what you're talking about, bear
everything, what some people need to realize
is constitutional carry wasn't around until the
last 10 or 15 years. It used to be for a long
time in America that generally most gun rights
were pretty moderate, where most states were
considered moderate, where as long as you got
the license and everything you did, everything
properly into the training, you could carry.
And there really wasn't as many restrictions,
whereas now because of so many states being restrictive,
they have to be able to label themselves a certain
way to understand it, and that becomes constitutional
care. So it kind of ends up really separating
the two halves of either you're either pro -Second
Amendment states or anti -Second Amendment states.
Yeah. So, I mean, in the spirit of encouraging
more people to kind of bear everything, I'm wondering
if maybe along with our tax refunds, we should
be getting cannons loaded with grapeshot issued
to us. So that way, when you get your door kicked
in at 2 a .m., you're just like, meet my friend
Shredder, you fuckwads. I mean, I'm not against
it. It's either that or the Claymore Roomba.
See, that seems like I like the great. I like
the cannon with the grape shot idea, because
if somebody argues, well, you know, they didn't
have it back then. Be like, actually. They did.
That's been around since the 14th century. Good
luck with that. That's right. See, we should
be allowed to get one of those old -style Gatling
rotary ones that's in fucking .65 caliber. Because
people don't realize back then, they just fired
big -ass pieces of lead. And let me tell you,
if you did not die from the initial impact, you
will die from the lead poisoning. You wanted
to. Yeah, you know. Good luck with that. There
was no wanting to stay alive after that. No.
There was an interview that I saw not too long
ago, like just the past couple weeks. They were
asking some well -educated college attendees
what they thought the limits of gun ownership
should be. Oh, God. These folks, these individuals,
these future voters, I had to give them credit,
and I was actually on board with what a lot of
them said. They were of the opinion. that the
average American should not be able to access
anything beyond what police have access to. You
know what? I'm okay with that because a lot of
the police forces, they have full auto, they
have SBRs, they have MRAPs, they have rocket
launchers, they have door breachers, they have
all kinds of high caliber armor piercing rounds
that some states just outright ban. So let's
get on that page and then we can start having
other discussions. Yeah. Uh -oh! I think you
messed up! There definitely needs to be the discussion
of if you're allowed to defend yourself against
all enemies, foreign and domestic. And that includes
domestic. Unfortunately, I think we all have
to admit, and this is where I think on the left
we need to admit, as much as 97 % of cops are
bad, 3 % of them are going to cause you problems.
And unfortunately, it's are you allowed to defend
yourself against anyone, foreign or domestic?
I would argue that 97 % of cops are not bad.
That's what I said. 97 % of cops are not bad.
No, you didn't. You said 97 % of cops are bad,
and then you said 3%. I don't know if you heard
the answer. I apologize. Yeah. And I was like,
wait, what? 97 % of them are not bad. I would
encourage you to listen to that on the editing.
i'll just i get to control that but so but no
here we go right yeah i know right but on a more
serious discussion though that the question is
are you allowed to defend yourself against that
three percent that unfortunately it might be
three percent could be one percent could be you
know you throw your numbers depends on how well
that it depends on how that department unfortunately
is trained and how they're regulated and what
the standards are because we've seen some that
are trained very well, and that's great, and
that's exactly what we want to see. Unfortunately,
we've seen some where they're clearly not, where
they're going to sit around and do nothing, or
they're going to, unfortunately, do something
terrible. I'm going to be rich. Dude, this is
the point where, cue the list, and it's like
a big monologue list of the 900 fucking things
that have happened. I just watched a video last
night from Donut Operator where an old lady got
shot in the crossfire. And that just blew my
mind. Like, y 'all already shot her once. And
then she's trying to escape from the bathroom.
And then you shoot her two more times. I mean,
at that point, she can't sue if she's not alive.
No, she survived. And she was very cool about
it. She was very cool about it. Very calm. The
woman's been hit multiple times. And she was
like, just turn the light on. And then when everybody's
screaming, are you okay? She's like, I'm hit.
I've been hit. I've been hit. God, I hope she
is. If I remember right, at that point, I believe
the son was dead. If I remember right. Or wait,
no. He went to the hospital. He's in critical
condition. Grandma got taken care of and she's
fine. Sorry. She's a tough little bird. First
of all, don't fuck with grandma. Ever. Clearly.
She's seen some shit. Second off, that should
be the biggest fucking payday ever. For the whole
family, because Jesus Christ. And I will say,
I think a lot of this doesn't help with the anti
-police sentiment that's been going on and rhetoric
that's in with the local media, with a lot of
news and everything. So I understand there's
a lot of officers that might be a little more
scared or a little more nervous in situations,
I think. Everybody has to kind of agree with
that. But it doesn't excuse situations like that.
Where it's just clearly a lack of training or
information or communication, something they're
in. Yeah. Like in that scenario to me from, you
know, the first time the old bird got shot, it
was one of those scenarios where the suspect
had the gun. He's aiming at the cop. The cop
actually got hit, said her mask. So, you know,
rounds are going to come flying back towards
the suspect, regardless of what was happening,
because the cop doesn't want to die. You know
what? gotcha you put yourself in a bad scenario
it shit happens the second time that's poured
back this old bird got shot that's some more
i think on the officer you know yeah adrenaline's
pumping all that stuff but good trigger control
could have kept that from getting way out of
hand more so than it already was at that point
so it was definitely more of a training and experience
kind of thing. Why I think she got shot more
than once. Yeah. So. All right. So moving, uh,
moving on with some of this, uh, one of the things,
well, like, like you were just talking about,
uh, with her, she should be scoring a payday,
uh, the legal side of some things, uh, the Supreme
court. uh united states v uh himani i think you
say that on whether drug users and that's including
recreational marijuana can possess firearms with
states legalizing marijuana left and right what's
that i was saying like why not if you can drink
alcohol it's exactly but it's right from the
way i'm reading on things it's literally at a
At time of use level is how it should be. Uh,
and I think that's kind of where the arguments
are going to be settling. Um, because, uh, right
now they're, they're arguing whether people using
marijuana will be able to even possess the firearms.
Uh, because with, with a being removed from schedule
one, that's going to change a lot of the stuff
that's been, uh, sitting on a lot of the docket
stuff. With states pushing... Go ahead. Sorry,
my internet's being a little weird. So what I
wanted to ask is, do you know the current laws
on how much alcohol you're allowed to have in
your system and still carry a firearm? Zero.
Okay. So as long as that's consistent. Yeah,
you're not supposed to be intoxicated while you
have your weapon. dc please if they even you
even think that you're gonna go drink you should
not have your weapon so but you you said intoxicated
does that mean are you talking 0 .08 are you
talking about anything uh the way like in in
ohio you are not allowed to have any alcohol
in your system or any kind of impairing substance
in your system while you've got your firearm
on you or in your vehicle See, that makes sense.
It's like operating on a vehicle. Yeah. Okay,
that makes sense. I was just making sure it's
consistent with the wording and the language.
Okay. Yeah, that's pretty useful across the U
.S. Yeah. Yeah. And I still understand how anybody
can operate a vehicle, do much of anything high
on marijuana. Like, how? Well, hey, some people
can apparently order an Uber and get to the airport
when they're stoned off their ass. So, you know.
I don't know. It was time travel to me. He just
doesn't remember how he got there and why his
ass hurts. No, my ass was not hurting. Thank
you. I blame Carly. My face was hurting from
laughing. Yeah, but dude, at least if they're
being intellectually consistent with that. with
the law that then that's what i'm okay with i
was just concerned that they were rather going
to have an exception one way or the other but
if you're talking about impaired by any substance
then that is okay the only thing that kind of
sucks is like if you're on some sort of you know
pharmaceutical med that's like a like a medication
kind of thing but i know that's kind of a gray
area yeah so uh along those lines there's a lot
of states that are pushing kind of a mixed bag
of Law bullshit. Many states are pushing assault
style restrictions, yet they still cannot define
assault as a physical construct of a firearm.
So thankfully that's getting held up. Many states
are pushing different storage mandates, liability
rules for a lot of different places as what,
what is the legal precedent and the legal. determination
of justification that has to be put forward by
either the defendee or the prosecutor. So castle
doctrine type of stuff. Suppressor access is
getting easier thanks to federal tweaks. Loving
that. Suppressors are being classified almost
as hearing protection now. So with quieter ARs,
we could be in the situation of polite neighborhood
defense. And if there's... Quiet neighborhoods.
Terrans don't look so great when they hear you
practicing. Especially if you're using some subsonic
300 blackout. Oh, yes. I've seen some with some
suppressors that are shockingly quiet. Uh -huh.
And a side note on suppressed firearms. If you're
in the backyard getting your practice in, the
zombies won't hear you coming. Oops, I thought.
I was going to say, but the funny part with all
these laws and all these restrictions that they
keep putting in place, if they actually took
the time to enforce said laws and force these
judges to actually enforce the state minimums
or go with, in the case of this one guy. What
was that gentleman that got recommended 65 years
for rape, assault, and all that, and kidnapping,
and a judge turned around and said, nah, 30 years.
And while the suspect is sitting there, or defendant,
excuse me, is sitting there berating her, telling
her to suck his, you know what, and all this
other stuff, things that most normal courthouses
would never put up with. She's sitting there
just kind of foo fooing in a way like, oh, you've
had a bad life. And yeah, I know you're saying
these things, but oh, well, if judges were held
accountable for shit like that and they actually
enforce said laws when it was time to enforce
them, all these laws that they keep coming up
with are not needed. None of them. Not a single
one of these laws that people keep coming up
with are not needed. The only people that they're
affecting is the citizen, the person that's trying
to follow the law. Those are the only people
to affect. The criminals don't give a goddamn.
It always comes back to the laws are literally
just words on paper. It's who chooses to follow
and abide by them and who doesn't. So, again,
a lot of people that don't want to deal with
them. Well, I was going to say the only people
that are abiding by it are the people that don't
want to deal with the police and they don't want
to lose their freedoms. Those are the ones who
follow it. The other ones, they don't give a
shit. It's a game. I was going to say a law that's
not enforced. It doesn't exist. So it's one of
those problems where if it's never enforced,
it's really not a law. Yeah. Yeah. And DC has
a lot of those. And see, this is kind of what
has been one of the bigger ongoing issues in
the gun discussion for many years. Responsible
controls versus rights and finding the balance.
And then when you get into that, you've always
got the issues of all the tragedies that happen
versus the rights of the people who don't admit
the tragedies. You've got defense of... Home
and self versus the responsibility of people
that are out and about social violence and murder
and suicide versus just national safety. I mean,
the list goes on. Well, you got two sides of
the. All right, because you got two sides of
the coin. You got the people that think they
should be able to defend themselves by any means
necessary when somebody is coming after them
with a weapon of any kind. And then you got the
retards on the other side that watched your baby
get shot. Bad word. Bad word. Sorry. I got caught
up in the moment. I do apologize. Put that one
in the jar. Sorry, I got caught up because I
get angry about this. You got people that sit
there and they get angry because their baby boo
got shot up while they were committing a crime,
a violent crime, and they want to come after
the victim as if they're the ones that were wrong.
You should have just let them rob you. What kind
of mentality is that? Excuse me. Like I said,
I get angry about that. It's all good. You were
a cop for many years. You saw both sides of a
lot of these things. So you've got some special
perspective from a lot of this shit. My question
kind of goes back to the marijuana debate. What
are your thoughts on if the Supreme Court...
Decides that casual marijuana users will lose
firearm rights. I think that kind of legislates
a lot of firearm owners out of the situation.
It would be unconstitutional. I agree. And I
also think with it getting removed from Schedule
1, that's going to be a much harder thing for
them to do. The problem runs here that if you
can't use a mild amount of marijuana, then I
guess you can't be on anything. Yeah. I mean,
for God's sakes, you can't even have freaking
caffeine. Yeah, that's true. There was one case
they were trying to expand the definition of
mind -altering substances, and caffeine was on
their list. So they were really, it was somebody
in the Brady camp. So that doesn't surprise me
at all. So, um, now this one, uh, Gibbles, I
know this one's going to, uh, tickle your taint
a little bit. Oh boy. Ghost gun controversies.
Hmm. Uh, the DIY, uh, camp. Is it liberty or
the untraceable risk? We've heard the rage and
the spooky tales of ghost guns for years. I know
your eye is twitching because of that. I can
see it. Literally, ghost guns. I'm playing with
3D printers. Yeah. Yeah, I play with 3D printers
now. You know that. So do I. I'm sorry, but...
you're not going to stop that. The only people
you're going to affect is you and I who want
to follow the law, want to be law -abiding citizens,
raise our children to be law -abiding citizens.
We're the only ones who are going to be affected
by that. If you want to jailbreak your machine,
reprogram it real quick, and still print that
stuff out, guess what? It's going to happen.
You can't regulate that away. It's out in the
wild already. You can't make it stop. The only
thing you should be doing is making it a crime
to be able to use something like that in the
commission of a crime and make it so heinous
of a punishment that nobody's going to want to
do it. Otherwise, they know they're screwed.
That's what should happen. Not to sit there and
regulate something because, oh, there's a spooky
thing happening where you could make your own
gun. Hey, guess what? We've been able to make
our own guns now for hundreds of years. What's
different except the mechanism of how you made
it? Yep. There's kits that show you how to make
your own guns, for God's sakes. They're not hard.
80 % lowers? Yeah. Oh my God, he 3D printed it.
Yeah, and with 3D printers getting not only more
affordable, but also... more advanced and and
the materials that you can print with are also
getting more advanced i mean 3d printing is moving
not just out of the hobby realm but into the
commercial realm you can set up 3d printers in
your garage and have a full fabrication shop
printing commercial grade parts that are not
possible to make in many other cases that's why
3d printing took off Yeah. I can make a 90 cent
part that typically in the past, it would have
cost me like 90 bucks for it because the company
didn't want to keep it in stock. So I had to
replace the whole mechanism. Whereas now I'm
like, I just need a gear. Oh, let me print it.
Now I don't have to replace the whole flipping
thing. Yeah. So. Yeah. The Supreme Court. upheld
that ATF, they had kit regulations back in 2025.
It involved serial numbers and background checks
would be required for some of these kits. But
the fight is ongoing. Currently, the House has
passed H .R. 2189 that's trying to create a new
ghost gun class using less lethal loopholes and
A lot of the people are talking about this is
using conversions bypasses to get around some
of this stuff. Basically saying if you can use
a conversion kit off the shelf that these 3D
printed firearms will fall under that. So it's
kind of a really weird gray area thing and it's
confusing as hell to try to read. So if you have
time, look up HR 2189 and give it a go. A lot
of states are kind of fighting back. It's as
simple as just saying, yeah. Well, like I said
before, it's such a simple thing that I swear
they don't want to do. Just make it a punishment
of such that it's bad enough that anybody thinks
about, hey, should I print my own ghost gun?
What happens if I do it and commission a crime
or it comes back on me? Maybe I shouldn't do
that. You know? Some states are trying to mandate
barrel transparency. They're trying to outright
ban 3D printing in general. Some are using digital
codes to try to get into the printers so that
they can identify what's being printed. That's
great for new printers, but you can't stop the
old printers that don't have that technology.
And tinkers are going to tinker so they can get
around that shit. yeah you ain't kidding um i
mean there's there's all kinds of other stuff
they're trying to get uh implemented in this
stuff so um do you guys feel that ghost guns
or the 3d printed firearms are anything that
should be legal or like like is that like the
ultimate expression of the second amendment you
can build your road freedom essentially Or is
it really kind of a criminal thing? Because I
don't know how many 3D printed guns get used
in crimes, and I could not find the stats for
that. So I can't imagine it's many. I'm not saying
zero, but apparently it's not enough that are
tracked in the crime stats. I don't know. I almost
look at it the same way that you look at a toy
gun that's been painted up to look like a real
weapon. You can print out a fake gun on a 3D
printer. It looks like the real thing. These
things are functional. But I also printed it
where the... Well, you know, I mean, they are
functional to a point, but I'm very sure none
of the filament can withstand some of the pressures
these rounds take. Maybe like a .22 caliber,
possibly, or a 9mm, but anything past that, I
can't imagine a ghost gun sitting... taking that
kind of pressure and lasting for more than a
few rounds at best. I think that's all they're
designed for is, is between like two and five
rounds. I've seen up to a 38. So, but I mean,
if you're trying to do something, you know, some
kind of a job air quotes, maybe that's all you
need. is just one or two rounds so scared to
shit everybody well you just need to be the bank
robber walks in with the ghost gun and shoots
it once and goes everybody get on the ground
well that or you just need to get a round onto
a target i mean yeah 3d 3d printed gun would
be a hit and shot one kill exactly yeah so There's
some ethical stuff that we kind of need to talk
about in this. It does prohibit bad actors from
getting this stuff if they kind of go down the
banning route, but it impacts the hobbyists,
I feel, way more. If they put many more restrictions
on the people that are in the 3D printing field,
it's going to restrict them way more than it's
going to restrict or do anything. To go up against
the criminals that are using the or potentially
using the. Because the people who are using the
3D printers are not just using them for this
or potentially using them for this. As we know,
3D printers are used every single day to make
a plethora of things that don't hurt anyone in
any way. Another way to look at this is a lathe
and a mill. Those can be used. to make a rifle,
but they can also be used to make things like
motors or car parts or things for your house,
pieces of machinery. A 3D printer can be used
to make a firearm, but it can be used to make
other things. They have 3D printers on the space
station. It doesn't hurt anybody. A hammer can
kill someone just as well as it can build a house.
So in this field, like we said earlier, with
the laws, it all comes down. to the user, the
intent, and the people who will follow them.
Yep. But politicians don't care about that. They
just want the feel -good points so they can get
the votes. No, and since you brought up the politicians,
I want to say this. I personally feel that most
of the people that are making these laws are
people who are not technologically savvy enough
to understand the vast majority of the shit that
goes into these things. And they're sitting here
trying to regulate the common sense out of stuff
they don't understand. Well, they're also the
same sort of people that sit there and regulate
the weapons themselves. They don't give a shit
about, you know, the common man and what they're
using it for. All they see is if I can make a
law that restricts this weapon even more, I can
get votes. It doesn't matter that it doesn't
hurt the criminal at all. It's only hurting the
citizen. So be it. That's the way I've seen it.
And that's every single time I see a politician
get on the pulpit talking about, oh, we're going
to pass more common sense gun laws. There's no
common sense to it if you don't even encourage
the prosecutors and the judges to actually enforce
the laws that you have on the books now. Where's
the common sense to any of that? You know, 3D
printers, gun laws. It's all pointless if you
don't enforce. Yeah, it's all pointless if you
don't enforce the law. I saw that so much. You
have all these laws that are on the book. In
District of Columbia, there were so many laws
that you have that you don't even realize you
can break. Hell, you can run on yellow light.
Guess what? That's a civil infraction. You're
not even supposed to run a yellow light. How
many people know that? because it's not enforced
usually but i mean and that's what i digress
you know we keep talking about oh more common
sense gun laws or we're going to restrict this
or we're going to do that it doesn't affect the
criminal because you don't enforce the law the
only people that get hit by this stuff is the
poor bastards who are sitting there trying to
follow the law hell you got a guy down in georgia
followed the law went to a gun store legally
bought a weapon Have you guys heard of this?
Where he got arrested for a stolen gun that he
bought legally. It was sold to him as a. Yeah.
Oh, wow. It was sold to him from a gun store
in the state of Alabama. You can look this up.
This poor bastard got pulled over. They let the
cops know I have a gun. They checked the serial
number. Come to find out. It was administrative
error that a weapon stolen from a police department
was taken as evidence and administrative error
allowed it to be taken out and sold to a gun
store who was unable to legally sell it. And
yet this guy who bought this legally got denied
bond by a judge because he should have known
it was stolen. But you can't check NCIS as a
civilian. There is no way you're ever going to
know that. It's up to the store and the police
department who did this to be able to say, yes,
this is good to go. The citizens allowed to have
this gun. We have all these regulations, all
these laws that should keep something like from
happening. But guess what? It happened. A legal
gun owner got arrested. for buying a gun legally,
and it was considered stolen from a police department.
But yet, he was allowed to have it, even with
all those background checks. Wow. But he's being
told that he should have known it was stolen.
But go ahead and tell me how we need more common
sense gun laws. There's a simple way to get around
all this. Get rid of the police or off -duty
exemptions. For any firearm law. Yeah. Then you'll
see 99 % of them go poof. Yeah. Yeah, that's.
He still got charged even after they were able
to prove that. Yes, he got held in jail, went
before a judge and got denied bond. No bond.
Sorry. Sucks to be you. He did nothing wrong.
Did he get a massive paycheck? Uh, this is recent.
I don't know if he did or not. But he will in
the end. Oh, God, yes. If that judge knowingly
jailed someone that did not commit a crime, then
that judge should be disbarred and that guy should
be... Oh, absolutely. But like I said, you have
judges... Yeah. Oh God. Yeah. But you got laws
on the book that sit there and say, oh, the police
department can't be held accountable for their
actions, even if they're a hundred percent wrong.
I mean, there's times where things shouldn't
be held accountable, like in domestics or something,
because you have to make an arrest regardless
because you don't want to come back later and
find out boo -boo shot is boo, and now she's
dead, and now they're looking at you like, why
didn't you arrest him? Well, I didn't have any
probable cause at the time. Well, there's laws
that let you get around that, so that way that
shouldn't happen. Yeah. But, you know, yeah.
We don't need more laws. We just need to enforce
what's actually on the books and things like
that will start happening. Yes, if we actually
did that. This is the problem with any sort of
registry that is government run is they are going
to fuck up and someday they're going to hold
you accountable and you did nothing wrong. This
is the clearest example I can think of. This
is why, and I hate to say it, but instead of
a registry, it should be the case of you should
have people that are well -trained. responsible
for their stuff on their property and hold those
people accountable when they do break the law
you go to jail for a long ass time you actually
commit a violent crime yeah make it make it so
guess what you gotta work you gotta go back to
labor camps or some shit or you gotta fix all
of our highways bring back what um what was it
theodore roosevelt gangs and all that theodore
roosevelt did we're basically using using the
people that were jailed to rebuild everything
It's like, wow, if you got to do 30 years hard
labor for assaulting someone with a firearm that
you didn't even own, like, ah, maybe I'll think
twice about it. You got to make examples of a
few people. I hate to say it, but you got it.
Well, that's okay. I mean, when it comes to registries,
you know, the shit's dangerous anyways, because
you had more people that were Jews that died
in other countries because a, they had better
registries. Unlike Germany. Countries where they
had really good registries on the Jews and everything.
Guess where the highest mortality rate was in
those countries. So, yes, registries are great.
Yeah. Sarcasm if you didn't hear it. What? Oh.
Yeah. All right. So we've got. The issue of concealed
carry reciprocity. Is this something that needs
to be a national standard or a state -by -state
issue? It's... I know our president... It's something
that like... Oh, sorry, you go. Yes. I know our
president has stated he wants to see concealed
carry be something that works just like a driver's
license. A national baseline and... Yes, the
vast majority of people that do carry also believe
it should apply nationally. Because most states
that have a concealed carry program, it's really
not that different across the board. The biggest
issue is the state -by -state restrictions on
the guns itself. So if they just settle on a
mid -ground, then you go with that. Ohio actually
has a very good baseline for what can and can't
be done with the carry stuff. Yes, I'm a little
biased, but at the same time, a lot of other
states refer to Ohio for their stuff. Ohio's
got 23 states. That says something. Do you guys
require a class or anything? We used to. We just
went to... We just went to permitless carry a
constitutional carry. Yeah. I mean, that's fine
too, but I think like if you're going to do a
concealed carry, somebody should take a, you
know, people should take a class. And I taught
the class for a while. It used to be 12 hours.
Then they dumbed it down to eight hours. But
to, to obtain the permit, you still have to take
a class, but you can carry within the state.
Without a permit, as a state says. How many hours
of that was you touching your nipples? Only two.
Oh, okay. One hour in the class and one hour
at the range. Because I had to demonstrate proper
alignment technique, you know, just right there
at the target, you know. Fair enough. Just got
to put that out there. HR 38, I think it's Senate
Bill 65, are the two constitutional concealed
carry reciprocity act. Those are still on the
House calendars, but there is Senate gridlock.
It looks like it needs 60 votes. Not sure if
we're going to get it. Law enforcement groups
like the FOP actually oppose this, because why
wouldn't they? Dick bags. Right. so it would
these are also the same douches that sit there
and be like oh you know officer dirtbag he yeah
he messed up big time but we should really give
them her job back because the police department
fucked up the paperwork but then you have officer
not so bad well they've lost their job and well
we're not going to help them because you know
did you just say awesome yeah have you hit that
part of the the night I didn't think so, but
maybe I did. Yeah. I mean, we've, we've got cops
out there sleeping with the entire police force,
including the dog and they, they lose their job,
but the other ones who beat half the police force
and the dog still get to keep their job. So it's,
it's kind of funny how that works, but the way
this is set up, uh, the national concealed carry
reciprocity would honor out of state permits,
just like a driver's license. Uh, the critics
are saying that it. guts stricter states rules
like we were talking about uh under 21 carry
from permitless areas some states allow it and
and that's one of the big issues where they're
kind of saying oh we don't want them to do that
in our state because we don't think it's safe
and i i want people to just kind of let that
sit for a second because an 18 year old they're
saying is not capable of handling a firearm yet
the 18 to 21 military yes that the 18 to 21 crowd
is generally the ones on the front lines with
some of the biggest baddest ass most powerful
firearms in the arsenal of the united states
military using them in combat situations well
i might add to i have a good movie quip to that
what's that go ahead Where I've watched a movie
where there was American soldiers with a $2 million
missile launcher system, and they launched it
at a $20 ,000 Toyota pickup truck. Uh -huh. And
those are people that are in charge of those
weapons. Yeah. So, you know, hey. Do you know
what I did when I was 20, when I had a $900 ,000
missile at my disposal? Uh -huh. I put my penis
on it. I can only. I was going to say, I was
riding a B61 like I was going down in the movies.
Yeah, except when I did it, the captain saw me,
as well as the entire bridge crew. Of course
they did. Yeah, that was a speech that he wasn't
ready to give. No one ever said you weren't entertaining.
But entertainment is consensual is a different
story. That's the problem. Yeah. Hey, at least
you didn't walk up to a female on the flight
line holding a handful of screws going, hey,
you want a screw? And she didn't see what you're
holding at the time. So next thing you know,
the sergeant's looking at you like, am I going
to have to fill out paperwork? Well, okay. So
what happened? I'll take a quick segue. What
happened was we were doing ammunition onload
before we headed out for a excursion to the Med
or the Persian Gulf. We had ordnance going into
the loader, and then one came up to the deck.
So I was asked to go and stand near it to make
sure nothing hit it. Logical. So there's this
shiny glistening missile standing about waist
high to me. And I'm just kind of looking at it,
running my hand along this thing. I'm just like,
oh, I've waited my entire life for this. And
so I just went kind of full Beavis Monkey Boy
on this thing for like 10 seconds. My ship, the
way it was laid out with the missile deck, the
bridge was like right here. 45 -degree angle
line of sight to right where I was doing all
of this. The captain comes down, red -faced,
watery eyes, and just beelines it to me. And
I'm just like, oh, I'm going to die, I'm going
to die, I'm going to die. He comes over. And
he's like, what the fuck are you doing? I'm just
like, I'm going to play this off a stir. Sexually
assaulting. And he says, you realize the entire
bridge crew just saw that. I'm just like, I do
now. he just kind of takes a second he's trying
to not laugh and i know this and and a quick
backstory i was in charge of the ship's primary
self -defense radar systems so the captain really
knew me and i think he regretted that fact that
he really knew me but he's he's standing there
he's like listen there are a lot of speeches
that a commanding officer has to be ready to
give when they assume command of the Telling
my guys to keep their cock off the ordinance,
that's not a speech I have ready right now, so
please don't do it again. I'm just like, yes,
sir. He stole my heart. He goes to turn away,
and he just walks back over to me. He's like,
wait, why the warhead? The exhaust port, I understand
that. That makes sense. But why the warhead?
oh wait he understood that part that's what he
understood he was a cool dude let me let me just
say that he was awesome but he's looking he's
like why the warhead man i'm just like just want
to feel the power sir yeah the most i ever did
was take live munitions and load it drunk right
but yeah i don't know if that i don't know if
that even compares Watching those SPs run for
their lives when they realized what I was doing.
That was great. Oh, yeah. Getting that phone
call while on a Vegas trip, getting blasted.
Oh, yeah. Because I'm thinking, oh, it's my day
off. And get a phone call from the senior master
sergeant going, hey, the other sergeant's sick.
I need you to come in and load these live munitions
for the pilots because it's the last time they
get to fly all this stuff and they really need
to go up. Hey, unfortunately, I'm drunk. I don't
care. Get your ass in here. You're awake. You're
alive. Okay. Yeah, that was fun. My two guys,
when I'm sitting there getting the checklist
together, saw I was wobbling and were like, what
are you doing? I'm drunk. Let's load these babies.
Look back, the SPs that watched me walk on the
flight line with my civvies on and my combat
boots and line badge out and realized I was intoxicated
were gone. Oh, I bet. Oh, yeah. All right. And
then the senior master sergeant sitting at the
doorway is standing watching me. Oh, yeah, the
whole time. And I'm just like, dude, you're the
one that called me in. I didn't want to do this.
Oh, yeah. All right. right well we will try to
get back on track uh where were we uh let's see
the fop opposes all the permitless carry stuff
so uh a lot of the critics are also stating that
a nationwide reciprocity would uh gut oh we already
talked about that i'm god i'm stupid tonight
yeah so oh some some states are trying to tighten
the reciprocity reviews so by doing that they
think they can kind of make the overarching reciprocity
requirements tighter to get more states in line
with their requirements like no magazines over
10 rounds and certain guns have to make the list
and you know like massachusetts has you know
you can use a flintlock or something like that
exactly uh So that means I just carry around
10 flintlocks. Gotcha. Well, they didn't say
you couldn't use a cannon in your car. So there's
also that. You use it like an A -10. You just
got to speed up before you're fired. Yeehaw,
chuckle fucks. All right, get ready to... All
right, go ahead and gas it, Bubba. I'm getting
ready to fire. So there's a lot of questions
that need to be asked with this topic. Some people
are saying nationwide carry equals a seamless
road trip to freedom or it's going to turn into
permitless chaos. I disagree with that second
one because all the states where they said, oh,
permitless carry is going to be just blood in
the streets has yet to actually come to fruition.
Those states are actually some of the lowest
crime states in the country. Yeah, because the
criminals know there's a good possibility that
the citizen they're about to go rob has a weapon.
That's why a majority of burglaries don't occur
unless the people aren't home. Because just as
much as the victim doesn't want to die, neither
does the criminal. So it's easier to commit a
crime if you know there's a high chance you're
not going to die. Let's see. Crossing the state
lines with your permit, the way it is now, you
might as well pack a lawyer in your glove box,
but if we get the nationwide carry, those kind
of issues go away. Gun carry insurance, you don't
think it goes away? Here's the problem. I live
near New York State. The problem is, Even if
it's legal for you to carry with it, they can
still arrest you and detain you for up to three
or four days. How? Because they can. What are
you going to do about it? They have. Sue the
shit out of them? Same thing with New Jersey.
Does that save you from losing your job when
you're arrested for a felony? That's one of the
problems we have. It's like, great. You might
be right, but... For the first while, you're
not leaving. They just haven't arrested... Yeah,
well, they just haven't arrested the wrong person.
That's all. But see, this is part of the problem.
Because I guess someone like me, that's... What
happens if you can't afford to be out of work
for several months and afford the lawyer and
afford everything? But that's what I'm saying.
This is part of the issue. But that's what I'm
saying. Even if you make it national reciprocity,
even if you do all these things, there are still
some counties, some... some areas, some police
forces where they will arrest you because in
their eyes, you're committing a felony. Even
if it's wrong, even if they're a hundred percent
wrong, it's still going to happen until they're
held accountable. It's still going to be an issue.
The two easiest ways to fix all this very, very
simply should be any police force in the United
States should all have to be using the same set
of rules and same firearms as civilians. And
that's that. All of a sudden, all of these laws,
all of this, this entire discussion would go
away because you would not have any officers
arguing or any law enforcement agencies arguing
about any of these laws. Say, nope, take them
all back. We want to be able to carry what we
want. It's like, ah, yes. When you treat people
of equal, all of a sudden now you don't want
the rules. Oh yeah. You know, so, but same thing
with the national reciprocity, you'd have to
get a lot of States, not only on board, but to
understand that like, Just because you're traveling
through New York and you don't like to have a
17 -round Glock, stuff it. It's legal. But that's
going to be the problem. Unless you tell judges,
hey, if you bring charges on these people when
they're not committing a crime federally, decide
to bring charges, you are disbarred. Until they're
held accountable, none of this matters. Because
I hate to say it, what happens if a judge does
arrest you? Let's go the whole way here. You
drive through New York, and even though you are
within federal law, and your home state's law,
you drive through it, they arrest you, a judge
prosecutes you, doesn't matter. Because by the
time the federal government goes after them or
the attorney general or whoever else, you've
already lost your job, you're already in jail,
you already have a record, your rights have already
been removed. So even if you come back and sue
and do everything, what happens if you lose your
business? What happens if you are a business
owner or someone that takes care of people or
have other things to do outside of simply...
enjoying your rights, I hate to say that, but
people have other obligations outside of that,
you still lose. So unless there is some... That's
where militia starts coming in. That's where
what? Yep. That's where militia's come in. Because
remember, part of the Second Amendment is the
right to defend yourself against tyrannical government.
Now you're starting to get into the whole tyrannical
government side of things. I'm not saying that's
what should happen, but that's the whole point
of the Second Amendment. Unfortunately, I don't
know if you know this, not every state allows
a militia. Well, that's a violation of the Constitution.
Look up right now, look up the Massachusetts
Constitution and look up their laws on a militia.
If you form a militia, you are automatically,
automatically sent to the governor and you are
basically now a government, like law enforcement
agency or a military agency. So you cannot, as
an independent, actually form a militia. You
cannot. Coming out of Massachusetts, you know
how much that hurts my soul. Oh, trust me. I
live in this hellhole. I know. It sucks. But
yet the people are so against fascists, but yet
they don't take the time to look at their own
government. People forget we voted for a state
audit at 70 % of the people and they just said,
no, fuck you. And they ignored it. You guys got
to understand. I love it. Massachusetts is its
own thing, and that's why they're really pissed
that Nick Shirley is here to uncover fraud, and
they've already threatened to arrest him just
for being here. So you thought it was bad in
Minneapolis? Just wait. I have lived in Boston
my entire life. I know this place. It's way fucking
worse. How do you arrest somebody for just being
there? What kind of shenanigans is that? Because
they're saying, oh, he's intimidating people.
And he's going after people. He's going after,
you know, disaffected minorities and all this
other crap. They're going to say whatever they
can. That's effectively how it works. Wow. Yeah,
that's when you cause some serious problems.
Because you're going to piss off the populace
enough that at some point you're going to be
like AOC running for your life. Because all of
a sudden all these people on January 6th bust
in the building. Yeah. Wow. Oh, boy. So. So there
was one point I wanted to bring up. Yeah. Yeah.
Go ahead. We're talking about that. You're talking
about are we going to need to have basically
a lawyer in the glove box when we go across state
lines and going to other states? Some states
like Massachusetts are talking about making a
requirement to have carry insurance where the
idea is you have to have legally carry insurance
in order to carry in addition to the license.
That way, if something does happen, there's legal
representation. But that's the thing. Just like
you can't force a person to have health insurance.
You can. Ask Obama. A Second Amendment. Yeah,
well, they finally got rid of that. But anyway.
But they still did it. They've made car insurance
a mandatory thing. Yeah, but driving a car is
not a right. That's a privilege. There's a difference.
There is a difference. You being alive is not
a privilege. Ask California about that one. They
give licenses out to anybody. Yes, they do. Oh,
they're freaking idiots, too. But, you know,
I have the hard R for them, but I can't say it,
apparently. So here's something you guys don't
know. Did you know Massachusetts has had state
-funded health care since the mid -2000s? So
guess what? In Massachusetts, you pretty much
have to have health care. We pay into taxes into
that system. Yeah. So everything you're saying,
like people don't have to have it? Well, unfortunately,
yeah. We have to. Essentially. Because they do
not accept cash. It has to be through an insurance.
You can't just go to the doctor and be like,
oh, I'll give you money. No. What's your carrier?
What's your insurance? Well, I don't have it.
Well, then sign up on the connector. Go home.
No. The best part is, is technically, if they're
doing that and they tell you you've got to go
home, now you have a lawsuit because of the fact
that they're not legally allowed to turn you
away. If you're not in an emergency room, they
don't have to take care of you. Yeah, that's
true. Urgent care, they have a right because
they're more of a private deal. Yeah, it's definitely
urgent care, but I'm just saying, if you go to
the ER and they tell you that crap, you're like,
ha ha! ER, but that's part of the problem, is
when you have a state I guess what I'm getting
at, what I'm trying to make the point is you
can make all the laws you want, but if there
are judges and law enforcement officers not held
accountable to enforce and abide by the laws,
none of this matters. They're going to ban whatever
they want to, and then they're going to wait
five or ten years for the political system to
catch up and say, oh, by the way, that was wrong.
Oops, sorry, whoopsie, we infringed on your rights
for the last ten years, have a fucking cookie.
That's what they do. Yeah. Yep. yeah whatever
law they come out in this i guess you know whatever
i'm unlikely unlike everyone else in this area
they if i got lost my job because i'd stood up
for my rights i can just be like so take my car
away oh well i can still live my life and i still
have a house so yep so um one other point i wanted
to ask about on the uh Concealed carry reciprocity.
Do you think that if it were put into place that
it would end the patchwork confusion that exists?
I think yes. But would it kind of effectively
override local safety standards that states and
municipalities have in place and thereby increase
the risk of a negative officer encounter if you're
stopped? Or do you think it would have to have
some kind of stipulation? If there was a nationwide
standard that everyone agreed to and everyone
said, okay, as long as you're meeting this standard,
any laws in those states, if you're committing
a crime, fine, but because we're holding it to
this standard and everybody changed to that standard,
it would work. But that's not going to happen.
That will never happen. I guess one of the ways
people have to think about it. It becomes a moot
point. Oh, yeah. One of the ways people have
to think about it, they compare U .S. policing
to other countries they don't understand. We
are 50 countries in a trench coat. And every
other country, they just have one set of laws.
And that's what they do. That's what they deal
with. Whereas that is part of the problem with
policing, where you might have a police officer
move from one state to another or even a different
county, different town, whoever else is, and
things might change. Now, even, for instance,
in my state. There are areas where they used
to be before what happened in New York. There
was the Bruin case. There were some towns that
were not issued, meaning they would not issue
a firearm license unless you absolutely needed
it. Some were shall issue that might be conditional
or a will issue, which means as long as you pass
the requirements, you get issued a firearm license.
And sometimes it'd be confusion because police
officers ask you in this town, how the hell did
you get a license to carry? It's like, well,
excuse me, officer. I only passed the test. You
know, be careful. Whereas other towns, they'd
be like, I don't give a fuck. Like, you can carry
as long as you have the license. Same thing with
what you're talking about there, where if there
was a national standard, you would get rid of
a lot of the confusion and a lot of issues, and
they'd have a set training standard. So it'd
be the same interaction, same every time. Now
you can tell everybody that's carrying, hey,
this is what's expected. This is what you should
do. Here's our set standard for a law enforcement
interaction when you're carrying either in your
vehicle. on your person this is where you you
keep your identification that's where you keep
everything else that way you minimize the risks
of any sort of um even just like a simple miscommunication
because i've seen some instances where people
travel to another state and they might not understand
that in that state you have to immediately identify
you have a firearm and where it is you must keep
your hands here must whereas other states like
you go to texas in some places they're like you
have a firearm cool i got nine who the fuck cares
Like I breathe air too, buddy. So it's kind of
a, at least if you have that consistent standard,
but an expectation of not only what people are
doing, but how to handle it and what's expected
to give to the officer, what information and
method you would reduce so many unneeded interactions.
I think a lot of people feel a lot safer. So
there's no reason why to not have that happen,
especially when I think a national safety standard
for that. Would probably help fill in a couple
of gaps in some areas because I know it should
be the case of, look, everybody that's a firearm
owner, training's on you. You have to learn to
be proficient with your firearm and understand
the law. But at least if there was somewhat of
a national standard, it would be, hey, can you
not be a fucking idiot? Hey, cool. Are you able
to carry this safely? Cool. Can you handle it
and understand how to operate your firearm? Cool.
Okay. At least you have an IQ of over 70. We're
good. You know how awesome it would have been
as a cop to sit there and just come across a
citizen and be like, hey, do you have a gun?
Yes, sir, I do. What do you got? And just be
able to shoot the shit for a second and go, oh,
let me see that. Oh, man, this thing's great.
There you go, buddy. You know how awesome that
would have been? No, instead I got to sit there
and treat them like a freaking criminal as soon
as I hear they have a gun. Yeah. You know, the
fact that we give driver's licenses to people
who definitely should not have driver's licenses
also worries me. And I wonder if this would fall
into that category. So that's kind of like the
only big reservation I have about this. I see
people every day who drive who have zero business
driving. You've got bad drivers. There are bad
gun owners. And yes, it always comes back to
personal responsibility. But God. Damn. Some
of these drivers. Yes, Gibbs. No, I actually
have the opinion of, I'll be honest with you,
our driving standards are fucking terrible. And
I think across the board, every state, they should
be raised, especially if I will be intellectually
consistent. If your driver's license is allowed
in every state, there should be national standards.
Because I am the victim of, in this area, in
my fucking city, there were people that were
illegal immigrants working at the RMV and they
gave away over 10 ,000 driver's licenses to people
that never took a test. I live in an area where
my automotive insurance is double from the next
town over. Anywhere else. Because I live here.
Because they decided to commit crimes and break
the law. Because of that, there are so many dangerous
people in this area that cannot drive at all.
And there's no fucking standard. Nobody cares.
So, I 100 % agree on there's a lot of people
that shouldn't be fucking driving. And there
should be higher standards. Especially once you
retire. For the love of God. If you're over the
age of 65 and still driving, you should be tested
regularly. Because, Jesus Christ. So I would
agree. Just do both. National standards for both.
It's not that hard. Especially if you make them
reasonable. Yep. Yeah. God, I had another point
I was going to make, but I lost it. I guess constitutional
carry would be nice if people were responsible.
And I think that's a necessary thing that's needed
to have some level. Yeah, very, very much. I
want to move into the last thing that I had in
the notes here for tonight. And this one's going
to be touchy. School safety pushes, arming the
staff and mandating training. A lot of states.
are starting to require the door open. Yeah.
A lot of states are starting to require K through
12 firearm safety education. That includes safe
storage. Don't touch found firearms with no live
fire. Some schools are distributing storage information.
Others are just upholding public place bands.
Administrative surveys are showing a lot of opposition
to arming teachers. Others are showing the teachers
are okay with this. I know in my area, the vast
majority of teachers are not only very okay,
but they're taking it upon themselves with permission
to not only get armed, but get funded training.
I love and support that idea. That's awesome.
There was a focus on prevention via the laws
and trauma informed approaches. I liken that
to abstinence -only sex education, and we've
seen exactly how well that has worked out over
the years. Yeah. I'm a product of sex education.
Are you a product of sex education? I'm a product
of... I think my mom just wanted a back rub.
Apparently my mother wanted to go in the barn.
What's that, Gibbs? I said I usually skip that
part of the video. Yep, just get to the good
stuff. So mandatory classes would be practical
prep or would that be normalizing guns, gun exposure
to kids too early? I don't think that that's
really a thing. All of my kids shot by the time
they were five. Go ahead. I was going to say,
wasn't there a time in this country's history
where most kids took a shooting class by like
fourth or fifth grade? I have that in the notes.
Yes. Yeah. It's literally the next page down.
But yeah. Teaching don't touch is like telling
toddlers not to eat glue. That's got mixed results.
I think a lot of that goes back to how they're
taught in the home. My my youngest knows exactly
what. has always known, especially when he was
younger, what to do with a firearm. You could
ask him at any point in his life, if you saw
a gun, what would you do? He'd tell you, don't
touch it, don't let anybody else touch it, tell
someone to go find an adult. Simple as that.
The deeper ethics on a lot of this is that many
incidents are from family -owned firearms being
improperly stored or allowing the kids to have
improper access to them. I think a lot of this
also goes into the mental health debate and that's
probably a topic for a whole other issue or episode.
Uh, but when it comes down to the school stuff,
there's also a serious lack of on school premises,
level safety and diversionary, um, resources,
not just emotional and mental stuff, but access
as well. Go ahead Gibbs. Well, I was going to
say it's, It is a necessary evil of the world
that unfortunately schools are targeted because
we've been told for decades now it's a firearm
-free zone, gun -free zone. Nothing's supposed
to happen there. What that tells someone is that's
a target. There's no one that's going to retaliate.
How they should be designing schools. Yeah, it's
a soft target. Exactly. How they should be designing
schools for the 21st century is, you know, teachers
only know where there are hidden safes in every
room. That way, if something does happen, things
could be stowed appropriately. Obviously, teachers
should be trained. This is something that, obviously,
if they're willing to, if that's something they
want to do, especially if you already have any
prior training or prior information, that's something
that for those teachers that want to train, it
should be unknown to the parents, to the kids.
That way you never know who might have it, who
might not. That's part of it. I also think a
big thing would be janitorial staff or any other
non -teaching staff also being armed would be
awesome. That way it's someone that you rarely
see, you rarely know. They're just kind of around.
Being able to have resource officers has been
shown to be quite helpful. This is something
that is kind of a necessary evil, but unfortunately
I think it's something that most of America should
adopt. Ideally every school. But there might
be schools where people are not comfortable,
in which case it's something they should be told
like, hey, here's how we make it comfortable.
Here's how we get you into this. Because at the
end of the day, that's your first line of defense.
I have to say bah to those people. But that's
your first line of defense. Actually, my old
school that was redesigned, they have, for the
main entrance, it's a two -stage entrance system.
Most schools have that now. Where you have to
go through separate doors and two lobbies. And
they've shown through a lot of testing that's
been very helpful, being able to separate somebody
and then have a resource officer or an administrator
that is armed be able to pat someone down, double
-check them, talk to them. That way, even if
something did happen, I hate to say it, but they're
the only person at risk. They're risking one
person rather than the school. So school design
and architecture needs to be a factor as well.
Yeah. So what a lot of schools up around here
have been doing is they're putting out signage
very clearly displayed stating that staff is
armed. Good. And some schools have even taken
that whether they are or not, they're just putting
it out there as a deterrent. As they should.
Exactly. And I think that's a good move. Now,
they should be armed just in case, but that's
the administration and the teacher's thing to
do because nobody should be forced to get into
that situation if they don't want to, if they're
not prepared to. But if they're capable and willing,
they should have the tools at their disposal
to do so. especially i love the idea administrators
can be because that they're usually in an office
near the center or near the nerve center of the
school they have access to the com system access
to police they're usually the first ones that
can respond or get information out there that
to me like if i was running a school system they
would be the first people be like hey yo you
are my number one line of defense here but yeah
yeah i mean from the police side of things you
know Do we want anybody running around with a
gun that shouldn't be? No. Just like, you know,
okay, you have teachers in there, and we're going
into a school knowing that, you know, there might
be a good guy that has a weapon. Do we really
want them running around with that? Not really,
but it would be good to know that even as a cop,
as a parent, that if you're in that classroom,
you've locked it all down, but you still got
that 9mm or the .22 sitting on the teacher. Just
in case somehow the suspect got inside, at least
you know that there was that last line of defense.
You know, I wouldn't suggest a teacher or anybody
to be like, oh, there's an active shooter. Go
out there and stop the active shooter. No, I
would never expect any of them to do that. And
I think that's where some of the disconnect might
be is that, you know, some people think, oh,
you're giving the gun to the teacher. They should
be expected to go after the bad guy. No. No,
it's there to protect the kids. It's a defensive
situation only. Exactly. Right. And I don't even
think it should be a pistol. And I think that's
where some people are getting upset about it.
Yeah, I think they should have access to both
a pistol and a shotgun. I would say whatever
they're proficient with. That would end the threat
immediately. Exactly. Shotgun, you don't even
have to aim, really. Just point and shoot. Just
get it close. Just get close enough to your end.
And even something like a 410 is all they need
in that situation. They don't need something
big and massive like a 12 gauge, a 10 gauge.
They just need enough to either deter or get
enough lead on target to put them down. All you
have to do is neutralize the threat. And I love
to have a teacher to have a firearm with the
inscription to whom it may concern. Just hang
them around the safe. Just for that one instance.
But I would just stress it would be whatever
they're proficient with, whatever they can train
with, whatever makes the most sense for the design
of the building. That way there's no overpenetration,
nobody else is at risk. They might have to change
what they have depending on where they are in
the building. But as long as the building is
designed to facilitate that kind of defensive
scenario, whatever they got to use. I wouldn't
even care if they had one of those AR pistol
kind of things. Whatever you got to do, man.
If it works, it works. AK pistol. But the crazy
part is, again, if the suspect knows that they're
walking into a building and there's the possibility
that there's somebody in there with a freaking
gun that's going to stop them, you're going to
see a lot less of these kind of things take place.
Because I swear, it's like a theme. After we
started taking the gun clubs away, we started
taking away the shooting teams and all that stuff,
all of a sudden this started becoming a problem
because now you've taken away anybody that was
responsible with the gun and you've kind of demonized
it. So now anybody that's looking to do harm
to people knows I can walk into a school and
start blasting. And know that the odds of me
getting shot by somebody is almost nil. Because
by the time I'm done, I can walk out of the building
and be running, look like everyone else, and
I'm not going to get hurt by the police. If you
know what you're doing, which is scary for a
criminal, which it does happen, you know, the
odds of you getting shot back at a school is
almost zero. Whereas if you were walking a bank,
a grocery store, someplace where there's somebody
at a gas station where somebody's got a weapon
more than likely, you know there's a good possibility
you might get shot. So the threat level increases
for the criminal. Whereas, oh, I walk into a
school, I can start blasting. Ain't nobody shooting
back at me. It's like fishing a barrel. But if
you put teachers in there with these guns, all
of a sudden that changes the whole scenario.
I wonder if part of why it's become such a rise
as well in the younger crowd doing these things
as well as firearms are seen for a while. They
were seeing more and more taboo of a kind of
thing where it was weird to not, it was weird
to have one or odd to have access to one, especially
in more urban areas where knowing that these
teachers and staff are armed would make it way
less taboo, way more real to understand, Hey,
These are the consequences. This is how life
is. Unfortunately, most life does devolve down
to the fact that something can happen at any
time. Anyone can decide that their life is worth
more than yours and do something to take that
away. And I think for a lot of kids, not that
their innocence should be broken, but almost
anyone wants to hit your teenage years. It's
like, hey, you don't understand. At the end of
the day, this basic reality of life, unfortunately,
is a fact. And these teachers are armed. So don't
think that you can just like we see in some urban
schools, but don't think you can just throw hands
with a teacher. Don't think you can just do whatever
the hell you want or bring in a firearm and do
whatever. There are now consequences to these
actions and you need to be made aware that you
might not know the consequences other than they're
going to be bad. So don't do this shit. I wouldn't
say now there are consequences. I should, I would
think we should say there's consequences again.
Yeah. Yeah, a lot of it also comes down to respect
from the younger generation and the lack that
they have towards anybody older than them. Yes.
It's the whole mentality of, oh, you can't do
anything wrong as a child. And then you grow
up thinking, I can't do anything wrong. So then
they freak out because someone told them no.
Yeah, and it's usually the first time they've
ever heard that word. And it's terrible. I, before
I was medically retired, I experienced it multiple
times. I hated every experience of it. Every
single time I hated it. So what do you mean you're
taking my license? What do you mean you're taking
my car? Oh my God, you can't do that. The law
says I can. Yeah. So getting back on this, we
said that most of the incidents happened from
family owned guns and just poor storage. So if
the safety classes are brought back at a national
level, does that begin to bridge the divide or
kind of fuel some of the issues? You had mentioned
that schools used to have the shooting teams
and everything. They also had indoor ranges.
One thing I was kind of thinking, the guns were
in the school, then they got taken from the school,
and now they're being brought back into the school,
but in the wrong way. The guns want to be at
the school. We just need to cater to that. What?
Yes, because the guns have a mind. You ask some
of these people, they think they do. They yearn
for the books. That's right. They want that edumacation.
So I guess if I was a lawmaker or governor for
a state. I would welcome schools to advertise
both ways. If a school wants to be gun -free
and they want to do that, they should advertise
it as such and the other ones vice versa. But
I would specifically point out, hey, if you don't
like firearms, you're taking a risk having your
kids here. I hate to be that guy, but there's
going to be people that don't want to just say,
oh, I can't have firearms. I can't have my kids
here. It's like, okay, you're making that choice.
But unfortunately, we're going to have to let
the data bear out to show what truly is better.
And I think some people... They're going to have
to risk it and learn the hard way. And I hate
to put it that way, but you know there's going
to be a lot of people, especially in certain
states, like Illinois is one I can think of,
and New York and Massachusetts and a few other
ones, California, they're going to be absolutely
against it. It's like, well, okay, let the schools
vote on it or let private schools do what they're
going to do. Let the data show in a few years.
And I hate to say it, it's going to show. Oh,
it absolutely will. That's a study I would love
to see. How many schools that don't have shootings
or little to no casualties, if there is one,
versus a school that has no guns at all. Or also
schools that openly support the banning of all
firearms, anti -second amendment stuff, all that,
anti -constitution stuff. And then watch when
they have behavioral issues and the violence
issues, whereas the other ones that are very
pro... law and order second amendment watch how
they're not going to have anywhere near the issues
the other schools will have right and some people
are scratching saying i don't know why this is
happening when the rest of us are going to be
like you're fucking idiot like we know why it's
not hard if we know why you just don't want to
talk about it because you got you know like in
that case with the one teacher got the snot beat
out of her because she took you know the technology
away from the one kid so you know the The boy's
twice her size, so he just mungo beat and just
beat her into submission. Yeah. And the administration
is just like, we don't know what happened. That's
your problem, too. Oh, yeah. Everybody not wanting
to take accountability. Also, as a teacher, like
as someone that was going down that road until
I fucking left it, because fuck that shit, you
can't, especially as a large guy, I was told
there are zero circumstances where I can do anything.
because legally I will always be at fault. Even
if they brought in a firearm, I was told, oh
yeah, you run. And I was like, well, what if
I legally carry in the state? They're like, no,
you can't. It doesn't matter. There is no situation.
Even if someone brought in a knife or a sword
or was threatening, I, because of simply how
I look, there's nothing I can do about the situation.
Yeah. As soon as I heard that, I resigned within
a couple of months. It's like, no. You act and
react, and then you let them judge you with the
national spotlight on that. Yeah, even though
we're guilty, we're not guilty until proven guilty.
Police, teachers, firefighters, anybody that's
in a very sensitive area, you're guilty until
proven innocent. But unfortunately, the catch
is the teachers' union would not have my back.
Oh, yeah. That's the catch. The other unions
would. But the teachers' union absolutely would
not have your back on something like that. They'd
say, nope, you broke the law. Tough shit. So
it's like, why? And unfortunately, I hate to
say it, in a lot of schools, particularly more
left -leaning areas, that's why you don't see
teachers stand up. You don't see teachers do
anything. You see teachers get the shit beat
out of them in certain areas. And you're told
you can't do anything. Yeah. Yeah. So I know
we're starting to run a little bit long, so I
want to get on to some quick stats that I wanted
to bring up. Some of the numbers I was able to
find, the higher rural ownership versus lower
urban ownership of firearms. Rural ownership
is roughly 46 % versus 19 % for urban. If you
go by the party lines, Republicans, 45, Democrats,
20. 51 % say they prioritize rights versus 48
% that say control. There is a generational shift
that's starting to happen. More young Republicans
are open to restrictions. So that's odd. I think
it's just the younger crowd not understanding
life. Household ownership is starting to kind
of come up a little bit, but it's still holding
in that 42 to 44 % ballpark that we mentioned
earlier. Firearms are being looked at as a bit
of cultural identity. Out in the rural areas,
it's a symbol of independence. In the urban areas,
it's kind of a symbol of fear, possibly. I kind
of think that's more of a where you carry the
setup matches your politics more than your outfit.
And yes, I am looking at you, the ladies with
the sparkly grips. So working class owners versus
the people who get to have the bodyguards, I
think there's going to be a very deep. polarization
between that group always. It's probably never
going to change. If the divide does grow, does
the Second Amendment become more of a flashpoint
or is it just going to continue to be a national
kind of poking the bear weight for the fire to
take off? As long as Unfortunately, private,
as long as private security is allowed to get
around the law in certain ways and do things
that a civilian can't or a licensed firearm owner
can't, there's always going to be some tension.
So it's one of those things where, as I'm sure
we've all seen time and time again, privatized
security forces that they get. Special privileges,
special rights, can carry fully automatic weapons,
can carry stuff in certain calibers, certain
things, certain barrel lengths, whatever, not
have to abide by certain laws because for some
reason they're allowed to. There's some sort
of loophole where they know somebody, whatever.
They have certain paperwork filed that regular
people can't. As long as that's the situation,
there's always going to be tension about it.
And quite frankly, those people are so far removed
from the consequences of any law that to them
it doesn't matter. So that's going to be a point
of contention until that's resolved. And unfortunately,
I don't think that's ever going to be resolved
in this country. You're always going to get some
people that get certain privileges. And I hate
to say this. Unfortunately, it's always going
to be you politicians that are allowed to have
anybody around you care, whatever you want. They
could ban firearms tomorrow and they will still
have full security with full body armor, full
everything. You know, NVGs, you name it, nods,
whatever. And they'll still have whatever they
want to carry. So unfortunately, until there's
a law in the books that says they have to carry
the same things everyone else, they can do whatever
they want. And the funny part to that is the
only reason they're going to still do that is
because they know for a fact that they're not
protecting against civilians that are following
the law. They're protecting against the criminals
that don't give a shit. That's who they're protecting
themselves against. Not the normal everyday citizen
who's just working their 9 to 5 and going back
and forth to work. They don't give a shit. those
aren't the people who are protecting themselves
against and that's what they don't say out that's
the quiet part they're not saying out loud like
case in point why do you think ice walks around
so well armed is because those cartel members
putting hits out on them uh -huh yeah this this
is why we don't talk about that because Yeah,
they all wear masks, but nobody talks about that.
They're all going on about, oh, my God, they're
arresting people, and they're just trying to
live their life. Well, if they came here legally,
I know plenty of legal aliens that came here
the right way who are really pissed at the ones
who come here illegally. But we don't talk about
that for some reason. Yeah. The people who spend
the time become American citizens. who are proud
of being American citizens and did it the right
way. Yep. I am happy to have his friends, but
it's the individuals that come here illegally
that I'm just like, whatever. And I, I know our
topics on government stuff don't usually hit
very well, but we may end up doing an episode
on the immigration stuff. Oh boy. Yeah. But,
uh, I, I think that's going to kind of wrap it
up for tonight. Um, the, the big thing I wanted
to ask for the listeners, uh, if you guys have
run into anything with weird gun laws, or if
you've had any good interactions with police
officers and you've been stopped while carrying,
or you have any general, uh, thoughts on the
reciprocity stuff. Let us know about it because
we like interacting with you guys. At the end
of the day, this all comes down to personal responsibility
and just kind of being a decent person who is
just trying to live their life. We've got enough
shitbags out there trying to make it hard for
everyone else. I don't think anyone in this circle
is trying to add to that pile. If we are adding
to that pile, it's the non -moving pile. So let's
continue with that. Smells like money. Everyone
back in the pile. Oh, my goodness. Oh, sweet
Jesus. Yeah. So, all right. Well, that's going
to do it for this week. I hope you guys liked
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