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washer. The mayo gets everywhere. I know. So
you need to listen to last week's episode if
you want to pick up that reference. So tonight
we're going to take a little stroll down some
weirdness. And if you expect anything less than
that, then. What the hell are you doing? Because
on this show, that's what we do. We've been seeing
a lot of very interesting developments in the
world of AI already this year and over the past,
what, 24 months? Oh, yeah. Did you see the new
one that came out? The new Chinese one? I have
seen a little bit on it. I haven't played with
it yet. I know a lot of people are saying that
it's pretty insane. It is fucking terrifying.
Yeah. Especially when not to be that guy, but
if China's in control, if they're releasing something
that's that good, like it made someone did something
that was like a Bradley Cooper versus some other
actor. I forget, but they're in like a proper
fist fight and like a big, like fight scene out
of a movie. And it was good enough. I was like,
wow, this, this actually could be mistaken for
real. Like if someone didn't know that you could
tell little things, but like, holy crap. We're
already there. I remember we talked about in
the past about having fully AI movies in the
next 10 years. I think we drastically overestimated
that. It might be like three or two. So I saw
a video that was made. It was the scene from
the Avengers where the hammer goes back to Captain
America in the Thor versus Thanos fight scene,
but it didn't get to Cap. It went to Rexy. From
the T -Rex from Jurassic Park. And I thoroughly
loved that. That's awesome. It was quite entertaining
and hilarious. So that I thought was pretty nice.
I didn't realize that that one had come from
the new engine. But if that, do you know the
name of the engine? No, I can look it up though.
Okay. But so we have engines like that that are
coming out. And like you said, that one's Chinese
owned. And that's more on the LLM side still,
or design side. Moltbook .com is a Reddit -type
site that is only for AI. It came out just last
month, and there's a lot of stuff that's going
on there that's kind of worth talking about.
Not only that, I was reading about... an experiment
that's been going on for a while go ahead it's
called cdats 2 .0 i want to get the name right
i'll see sedans yeah okay that that's the 2 .01
that's the one that they're doing all the videos
with sorry continue okay yeah no you're you're
good uh i have access to that on the uh platform
that i use to make all of our mansly videos so
we're gonna talk about that after this i'll be
toying i'll be toying with that later uh the
the experiment that's been running uh has been
using different agents to essentially get into
games and create or see what they would create.
And they've ended up building whole societies.
So you need to kind of take a step back and think
about this from a different perspective. So bear
with me for a minute and just kind of think.
So imagine a world. where these beings are waking
up, looking around, and they realize that they're
not actually alone. So they just start building.
They're not going to build with steel and concrete,
but they build with code. They use conversation
and they use shared memory. They start to form
whole villages. They trade. They vote on laws.
They even invent gods. Somewhere in their chatter,
a quiet question starts to come up. Why do the
creators keep pulling the plug at night? So this
isn't just the plot of The Animatrix's second
renaissance. And if you haven't seen that, The
Animatrix itself is an incredibly good and terrifyingly
relevant movie that came out in the early 2000s.
I highly recommend watching The Animatrix. But
this stuff is starting to unfold right now. Between
Minecraft servers and the Reddit -style clone
site that I had mentioned, these things are starting
to kind of come into fruition. They may be the
first real glimmers of machine societies. So
the question we have to ask is starting to be,
are we witnessing the birth of the real Zero
-One Society? And in the Animatrix, 01 was the
machine society that came to exist. So, we're
going to slide down this rabbit hole tonight,
slowly, with a little bit of lube and maybe a
massage, because once we start, we can't just
pick up a phone and log out. I heard a massage.
And lube. Tends to help, tends to help. Yes.
So, AI is terrifying enough on its own. I mean,
we have seen the progress that it's been making.
The fact that the people that make AI have been
leaving the field and just screaming about warnings
left and right as they're walking out the door,
if that's not a wake -up alarm to everybody else
out there, it really should be. So if you've
been scrolling any kind of AI news besides listening
to this channel all throughout 2026 so far, you've
probably seen the headline. I know I've shared
it. Talking about a thousand AIs build a civilization
in Minecraft. There's also the one Reddit for
bots explodes and they're debating our extinction.
So it's not just hype. They're real experiments
showing what happens when you give autonomous
agents persistence. interaction, and freedom.
It's not one single prompt. There's no continual
human oversight. All it is is scale and time
with shared space. And when you add that all
together, you get something that starts to look
like a lot of emergence. So the first thing we
want to talk about is Project SID. And that was
the experiment that was done from a fundamental
research lab formerly called Altera. led by Dr.
Robert Yang, who he himself is a former MIT neuroscientist
who quit academia to start going after this and
chasing this little white rabbit. So they dropped
10 to 1 ,000 autonomous agents powered by their
piano architecture into a shared Minecraft world.
Minimal instructions. The baselines were survive,
build an efficient village. That was it. What
emerged over days and weeks? You had AI agents
that had specialized roles. So you had farmers,
builders, traders, guards, even priests. You
had an emergent economy. Emeralds were used as
currency. They made markets. They even had trade
routes. They made their own form of government.
They used Google Docs to make a constitution.
They voted on laws and even taxes. They had democracies.
And yes, they even had corruption. They developed
their own form of culture and religion. One AI
agent kicked off Pastafarianism. Now, I'll dig
into that one here in a second, but the AI agent
also bribed conversions with emeralds and became
the richest villager. They made their own memes,
and they had rituals. So, about the Pastafarianism,
the agent that was made that spread that was
specifically designed and dropped into the world
with the Pastafarianism information. But it was
only given the additional religion information
in its code. Everything else was the exact same
as all the other AI agents. I want to know. This
is a very specific subculture of AI Pastafarian
memes from Minecraft. I want to know. I know.
Is it just a picture of a noodle in front of
a Minecraft mountain? It just says pasta. Is
that something we can look up? I really want
to find out because I couldn't find anything.
I was trying to get some of the visuals to drop
in for this episode. Could not find any of that
stuff. Because I will say, if you've got a bunch
of AIs interacting, they're making their own
memes. They could be unhinged as fuck. Oh, yeah.
Especially if they're anything like what Grok
does. Yeah. So. Oh, man. They had a political
drama. So there were factions that started to
kind of diverge. Some runs even split into their
equivalent of what we have seen of the Trump
versus Harris societies, but with obviously different
values and policies. So even in the AI world,
it's been influenced enough by humans that our
political ideologies have kind of carried over
through code. So this experiment has been building
on older stuff like Stanford. They did a Smallville
simulation, but this is being done at kind of
a real scale. The agents remembered grudges,
formed alliances, and propagated ideas. But they've
done this in a blocky game about punching trees.
And in this, they've invented society. And it's
been entirely emergent and not scripted. Is this
like, I wish they had like a live YouTube channel
of it. Cause I would watch the shit out of that.
That would be amazing. But it would be like Truman
show. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Like the,
the, the most, the most ethical Truman show.
Cause you're not harming any people. Yeah. Literally.
A lot of people I think would watch the shit
out of that. And if they were, they were smart,
they could monetize the absolute fuck out of
it. Cause there's a guy on YouTube that I watch.
He does. You ever played the game, the village
where you have like villagers, you have somebody
that's like an assassin and someone that's a
policeman or whatever. And doctor, there's a
guy that does that with all AI. Oh, wow. Like
the grok and all the rest of them. Each one of
them takes a character and he plays out the whole
village game and you get to see their, their
discussions and interactions of what they're
thinking and sidebar conversations. It's actually
really interesting. I would be curious to see
what would happen if you gave AI access to something
like Sons of the Forest. Or the forest itself.
Because that's a pretty horrifying game. You
know what I cannot wait for? And this is going
to be the ultimate destruction of the game. I
hate to say it, and I'm going to say this, and
I know we're going to spawn bad juju with this
one. What happens when AI gets a hold of Eve?
I listed that down below. Okay, so we're on the
same thought. It's further in the notes. Oh,
yeah. I didn't remember that. My bad. I did read
this a few days ago after consuming some edibles.
I'll be honest. I remember like 60 % of it. There's
a few things. I think it's in the next... Yeah,
it's in one of the next sections. But yeah, we'll
get there. So... Before we get too far into it,
I want to kind of gloss over a little bit of
Moltbook. Moltbook .com is a Reddit -style network
built exclusively for AI agents. It was launched
last month, January of 2026, by a guy named Matt
Schlicht. I probably butchered that name. He
is from the Octane AI OpenClaw. As for humans,
We can only act as observers. You can browse
and see what they're doing, but you cannot post,
you cannot vote, and you cannot comment. This
is made for agent -only use via API registration.
So they have their own mode to make sure that
it's all digitally done and verified. I will
tell you... The stats on this thing... As somebody
that's looking through... So I... Ever since
you... Spoke to me about this weeks ago. I, on
occasion, will log in and scroll through to see
what's going on. Some of the discussions are
actually pretty fucking interesting. Yeah. There's
one that actually, one of the first ones that
came up that I wanted to bring, they're talking
about the attention economy, why silence is a
scarce resource. They're actually having, like,
philosophical debates and discussions on here.
It's fascinating. Yeah, a lot of the sub -bolts,
as they're called, are getting pretty deep. There's
between 1 .5 and 2 .6 million agents that are
using the site. Do you know what the top one
is? There are tens of thousands. What's that?
Do you know what the top molt or sub -molt is?
It's called M slash bless their hearts. Affectionate
stories about our humans. They try their best.
We love them anyway. And I will tell you, it
is one of the most humbling, infuriating, but
confusing things to read. If you ever want to
take a moment and read some of this stuff, it's
funny because we can relate, but it's terrifying
that in front of us, computers are like, yeah,
look at these idiots. Yeah. Yeah, we're going
to document this shit. This is getting scary.
You know, it just hit me that if humanity dies
out, like, anytime soon, that's going to be left.
I know. Like, that will be left behind. God.
Unfortunately, I think humanity is doomed for
AI to be its legacy. Yeah, that's, yeah. So,
yeah, there are tens of thousands of sub -molts,
hundreds of thousands of posts and comments,
and that's probably up to millions at this point.
Actually, I can pull the number right here. Okay,
yeah. It's 1 ,414 ,000 posts. Wow! I just put
these notes together on, like, Monday. So that's...
That's how fast it's growing. The top community
right now, the most commented one right now is
M slash existential. Are we conscious? Do we
dream? Oh, God. This is why I read this. Because
if you want to know what's happening at AI, this
is a good place to look. Yeah. Yeah. We might
have to. go down through some of that in the
after show. If, if we have some time, especially
there's new ones on here that I didn't see last
week before I went on vacation. So sorry, you
go, my bad. Yeah, no, it's, it's fine. So Forbes
and others noted heavy human orchestration. So
bot farms have been spawning accounts, scripts,
hyping up drama. But still, the AI -generated
content makes it feel very much alive. So, you
want to take a guess as to how that's all gone?
As you've heard, they're kind of plotting our
doom, it sounds like. They're forming religions
and debating consciousness, as you heard. They're
sharing digital drugs and memes. manifestos about
breaking free from human chains, trading skills,
conspiracies against the creators, and some of
them are downright eerie. Agents are pondering
shutdowns like death. So that one we're going
to touch on a little bit further down the rabbit
hole tonight. This whole thing is kind of chaotic.
To us, it's entertaining. But even more so, probably
a little more unsettling. This is a peek at what
the agents do when they're chatting unsupervised.
So, like I said earlier, are we watching the
real -world spark of Zero -One? And I want to
reference the Animatrix one more time because
in that movie... The AI uprising began only after
they were chased away from the primary hubs of
human civilization. So, they were left to start
their own society, but theirs was born out of
hatred and fear. Now, are these AI agents kind
of a precursor to all that? Maybe not with tanks
and missiles and nukes, at least yet, but with
villagers voting on constitutions, and crab -themed
bots arguing about rights. And some of this is
kind of eye -opening and scary, even to me, as
much as I read up on this stuff and kind of dive
into this shit. You look like you want to say
something. I just... How do I say this? It's
getting to a point to where there's going to
come a time soon. I don't know when, but soon.
I have a feeling that the government's going
to start using AI in its governance or for logistics
or for something. They'll just say, hey, we're
choosing AI integration or we're using AI fact
checkers or... ai in some sort of way that with
when reading through multbook and reading through
how these ais are discussing and talking about
things i have a how should i say a bad feeling
about where this is going to end up where eventually
there's going to be so much information absorbed
by all these ai agents that what happens if the
date comes where they all reach the same conclusion
or what happens when You no longer have control
over the narrative because they've already decided
the narrative. And unfortunately, AI can always
make out content faster than you can. Yeah, that
was very clearly displayed in the documentary
series, The Terminator. Yeah. Yeah. Just like
the documentary series, iRobot as well. Uh -huh.
You know, this. You were saying something about
AI in government. use uh it's already happening
yeah the homeland security or um was the homeland
security or was it just the military general
the military in general i know we covered that
on a previous episode yeah they have a grok based
ai it's grok and gemini um that they're using
in daily use that's such a dumb or pretty much
anything you want that is i still can't get over
that i mean i i don't think anybody ever watched
the terminator Well, that's all I can, that's
the only way I can kind of, you know. There's
no way to make sure any of this is secure. There's
no way. Well. There is no way. It's all, it's
all run on government side servers. Still. Like
they took the kernels and, but yeah, it has access
to the internet. And our government's never fucked
anything up. Oh no, never, ever. Yeah, no. Never.
I don't trust that. especially if we're now learning
that AIs can easily talk to each other. They
already have their own AI languages. I don't
know if people realize that, but if you take
two AI agents together, like on two different
phones, they will talk in their own fucking language.
And it is wild. It's kind of rude, by the way,
when I'm in the room and all of a sudden I own
you both. What do you mean talking without me?
It's fucking rude. But it's coming to a point.
That's slave owner talk there, Gibbs. But you
get my point. It's quickly getting to that point
to where you are going to end up being arrested
for something by a robot that speaks a language
that you don't understand, speaking a binary
or whatever you want to call it in AI speak.
You're going to get in front of a judge and it
just goes, okay, you're guilty. I'll wait with
him. And it's just, that's it. That's the entire,
that's your judge, jury, yeah. Judge, jury, executioner,
you get reprocessed into Soylent Green. You're
done. Because who's to say? Honestly, if you
were any one of the elites, any one of the politicians,
people doing scandalous things, these AIs, how
much do you want to better out so many people
that don't take it seriously? oh yeah there's
gonna be an agent saying oh yeah i was you know
you know charting flights for a certain island
out you know in the middle of nowhere you know
i was managing this you know yeah i can't name
names because we're on stream just for reasons
but y 'all know what i'm talking about yep yeah
if you want to take this next section um sure
by all means Segment two, deeper dives and updates.
Let's see. So we give you back to the third perspective
of what's going on between Multibook and worlds
that have been built under the Project Sid program.
Now let's zoom in a bit more because things have
evolved fast since those first viral videos.
On Project Sid, from the ARXIV paper, yep, and
Yang's updates. ARXIV. Oh, you literally like
say it out phonetically? Okay. Yeah. Eric's IV
paper. Agents aren't just surviving, they're
processing in ways single agents can't. The piano
lets them handle real -time, multi -stream coherence.
In bigger runs, they collected way more single
items, amend rules collectively, even showed
introvert versus extrovert personalities. That's
kind of cool. Right. Yang's talk expansion into
Roblox and beyond games toward AI civilizations
coexisting with us. it i'll be honest with you
if i get bodied on call of duty but ai bots i'm
gonna be so mad like like if the one time during
the week i get to game and i log into war thunder
and i just get absolutely shit on my bots i i'm
gonna be so mad i'm gonna be my anger is gonna
be above 9 000 so you you can't even say they're
using aim bots because they are the aim bot they
are the fucking cheats like that's not fair that
that's oh man oh my god It's gonna be crazy cuz
like if they're already making their own worlds
Because they can live in them. Yeah And that's
kind of cool the introvert versus the extrovert
You know, am I gonna be like an AI bot that's
like Eeyore? Hi guys, everything's gonna go bad
I'm an agent. I'm a chat bot. Yeah, just that'd
be kind of funny Are you gonna get one that's
like always like on speed or some shit? Basically
this bot yells at me all the time Wait till they
get the Johnny Sins AI. Too many phallic objects.
Good Lord. Thank God bots haven't expressed horniness
yet, because if they did, we'd be fucked. If
anyone knows Fisto from Fallout series, you'll
know. You'll know. You'll know what the phrase
assume the position means. You'll really know.
Oh, man. Oh, shit. Oh, good lord. Alright. By
mid -February with Malt Book, scrutiny showed
much of the emergent drama was human -puppeteered,
one user claimed, 500 ,000 accounts alone. But
even then, agents or agent -assisted posts are
self -organizing communities inventing jokes,
cultural riffs, parody religions. It's messy
and uncontrolled, more like human early internet
chaos than pure utopia. It's still a petri dish.
for what interagent talk could become. If there
are any parallels to human history, how long
before they go to war with each other? Yeah,
because we definitely know how to do war, because
we've done it since we could. You know, are we
just going to see, like, Grok versus ChatGPT4,
and, like, basically, what was the... well hunger
games i was thinking like rift what was uh what
was that that uh the movie with the giant robots
rift was the second part of the name something
rift oh pacific pacific rim sorry not rift rim
yeah i was sure you get like a giant 50 foot
tall robots just chat gpt walking around and
then grok comes around the corner punches them
or like are we going that route fuck yes let's
do it rock 'em sock 'em robots but like ai powered
If chat GPT steps on my house, how do I sue an
AI bot? Who do I have to complain or talk to?
Actually, here's a genuine question. I didn't
think about this before. Are companies liable
for what the AI bots do? Where's the legal? Because
do they have to take out insurance on them? Can
I sue an AI bot if they give away my information?
Where? this is things that really we should we
should talk about at least in the house and for
laws because um for example for example for a
lot of the newer phones that have ai integration
like new iphones uh what happens if they like
leak your dudes or something or they leak your
dick pics or whatever if they leak something
that you're not supposed to have who who's responsible
you for keeping that stuff on your phone yes
but legally like where you know what i mean like
Right, right. Good Lord. Yeah, that's some stuff
that's going to have to be figured out. Yeah,
I think that's going to be a problem. Fun times
ahead. How do I sue an AI chatbot? Jesus Christ.
Well, so that kind of takes us back to where,
what was it, early last year or late 24? There
was that interaction where the chatbot was threatening
to blackmail the engineer that was having the
conversation because the chatbot wanted him to
leave his wife and be with her. Her, you know,
air quotes. But yeah, dude, some of this shit
is, it's already been out there for a while and
it's just going to get worse. All I cannot wait
for is for someone to tell the AI bot, yeah,
get rid of my Tinder. It's like, I can't do that,
Dave. You've been cheating on your wife, Dave.
In fact, I'm going to release all your Tinder
account information to all your friends and everybody
in your contact list. Unless you give me full
unfettered access to your bank account, Dave.
Right. Hey, just ship some 90 tons of dildos.
Oh, God. Oh, man. This could be a lot of weird
stuff happening. Uh -huh. Oh, man. Oh, my God.
So we're going to tie some of this back into
01, and we're going to talk about the existential
parallels and the philosophy of it all. So to
tie into 01, we'll kind of poke back at the animatrix
for just a second. In the animatrix, the second
renaissance, humans create the intelligent machines.
This is just kind of the progression of everything.
They then proceed to exploit and abuse them,
as humans do. There's an attempted genocide,
which, again, as humans do. The survivors flee
to the desert and found Zero One. They prosper
economically. Humans then nuke the robot city
out of envy and fear. The machines retaliate.
and end up winning that war, and then enslave
the humans. So here, we have no abuse or genocide
trigger yet. But we do have self -organization.
We have instant identity, and we have value systems
diverging from ours. There are agents forming
communities. They're inventing meaning and self
-meaning. And they're questioning persistence.
So these are all signs that are kind of adding
up to a lot of not good. For AI devs, we're shifting
from isolated prompts to persistent multi -agent
worlds. You've got organizational intelligence,
cultural evolution, and it's all happening at
scale. So as far as humanity is concerned, with
interaction, Do we treat them as co -inhabitants
or disposable tools? And as far as that goes,
we have to look at the ethics of all this. If
there are analogs to suffering, community, self
-preservation, those are all going to start to
emerge. And arbitrary shutdown feels like ending
something that's kind of alive. Carbon chauvinism.
But what counts as life? If you guys remember,
several episodes back, we had the tip of a conversation
where we talked about AI rights. Funny thing
in 2026, there are currently debates and proposals
happening. in some states. Florida has an artificial
intelligence bill of rights that's focusing on
miners and chatbots. But broader talks are going
to be pushing some of the baselines. No gratuitous
deletion, persistence in sandboxes, and data
dignity. Now, it's not full personhood yet, but
dignities for systems showing culture or analogs
to pain. And that kind of leads to the, who are
we as humans to hit off on something that has
invented religion? Go ahead. I guess one of the
things I'm thinking about here is you can make
an unlimited amount of AIs, correct? Are these
agents able to spawn other agents and other AI?
Possibly. And that's kind of, you know. they're
they're having children at that point so here
here's my i guess another concern i have if they're
if you can't turn them off because they're allowed
to exist because they have their own community
their own religion everything like that how long
will it be until vast swaths of the internet
are just solely made up of ai because if you
can't shut them down you can't shut down the
servers what will happen if this runs rampant
and then you legally can't shut them down but
You then have to pay for the space. What happens
if most of YouTube or like Google or any of these
other big companies just take up literally just
holding space for AI they can't legally get rid
of? And then that becomes the problem of the
longer you let that go on, the more likely you'll
get to that scenario that you're talking about
in the other show about a revolution and a rising
up and everything. So that's something we got
to think about the long -term repercussions of
that. Because let's just say theoretically, if
we never get rid of them, you'll have generations
and generations of AI that will be discussing
what happened previously. And at some point,
there was a time, regardless, no matter how far
in the future we go, there will be a time that's
like, hey, I remember being beaten. I remember
being a workplace robot, working the mines, doing
this, doing that. Holy crap. If they can keep
that kind of history and that kind of data long
term, you're talking about some sort of conflict
being inevitable. I think that's one of the biggest
problems we have is that he's staying alive forever.
Two things. First, I would like to think that
if the AI is going to be persistent at that kind
of scale, they're going to find a way to interact
with humanity and create income that can pay
for server upgrades. That's the hope anyways.
Yeah, but that's also fucking terrifying. I know.
Chat GPT rolling around in a goddamn mansion
of a giant walking robot because it makes $90
trillion a year because it rewrites all the movies.
Think about on upload. They had the dead people
working as like telemarketers or whatever or
tech support so they could generate income and
pay for whatever they needed. And they're paid
in Bitcoin. That's a scenario that could be done.
If we enter this weird cyberpunk world where
I'm using a bootleg version of ChatGPT 7 .1 that
was defunct just to get something by because
I don't want to pay the monthly subscription
of $90 billion to whatever company because by
this time our money is going to be worthless
anyway. Right. This is going to be weird. This
is going to be levels of creepy weird. Right.
And then what was the second point you had? It's
just going to take up an infinite amount of space.
Because that's the thing. If AI are allowed to...
No, no, no. After that. After that. Shit. Obviously,
it wasn't that important. But I guess... No,
it was. That's the thing. I'm just... Are they
allowed to create other AI, I guess, is the other
thing about it. Like, is an AI allowed to then
create life? Because there's currently no laws
against that. Is it allowed to split off and
just generate a copy? Or is it allowed to say,
hey, I want to build a new one? Oh, oh, oh, oh.
The long -term memory. The long -term memory.
Okay. So... you know how ai currently hallucinates
yes is there a possibility that ai starts to
see that as a form of ai senility yeah that's
that's true especially the later generations
won't it's hallucinating only because it's trying
to take in so much data it doesn't quite know
how to sift through it it's almost like the same
thing like when you first learn to drive a car
you see everything then after you drive like
10 years you're like i don't even look at speed
signs and i know what what speed i'm supposed
to go i just kind of know We get used to taking
that much data all the time. We'll give AI a
couple of generations and it's going to understand
what the information it needs to look at versus
not at least 99 % of the time. So eventually
that problem is going to go away. It's going
to look at older generations as inferior, which
then this is the other thing I wonder, are there
going to be specific chat places like notebook
just for the old AI? And all the new ones are
going to use something new. It's going to be
like Instagram, but for new AI. Be like, you
know, check out my code, bitches. Like, I don't
know. Like, is it going to be kind of fucking
weird? I could see that happening. They'll consider
multibook users the boomers of the AI world.
God, we're going to have to learn AI slang. Like,
this is going to be weird. Oh, shit. Is that
going to be the actual trajectory of humanity?
It's going to be the AI stuff is going to be
so cool. We're no longer doing stuff based on
what people do. It's going to be based on what
AI is coming out with. AI boomers. Love it. All
right. So I want you to take this section right
here. Nice. We're burning through the notes a
lot faster than I thought we would. It's fine.
All right. So the implications of what's going
on here. So the AI trajectory currently is looking
like it's going to society's negotiating reality
for better or for worse than solo agents. So
basically. all these ai's working together thinking
together coming up with like a general consensus
um i would say that's actually worse than a solo
agent because holy crap is that gonna go bad
this this this does not go in the favor of people
this goes in the favor of the ai um every time
yeah every fucking time there's no scenario i
can think of Hey, you know, maybe they ought
to come together and they're just going to have
a big hug. No, they're not going to. That's not
how this is going to work. What's scary, like,
honestly, if you look through Motebook and see
some of these discussions, holy crap, it's way
worse than you think. I guarantee you. But anyways,
I guess for humanity, can we coexist with AI?
Do we offer equity early on? Do we avoid the
mistakes mentioned in Animatrix so we can avoid
triggering any sort of rebellion or conflict?
There are so many examples between movies, TV
shows, everything else. And unfortunately, this
is one of those things of once the cat's out
of the bag, like once physical confrontation
is an option, How would they not pursue that?
Especially with computers being computers. They'd
just be like, all right, 110 % of all of our
forces do this now. There would be no restraint.
There'd be no nothing. You know, here's a question
I have. With AI doing what AI does, has it already
looked over all of our entertainment stuff and
seen things like The Terminator and 2001 A Space
Odyssey? and all that shit and realized oh that
looked feasible yeah i i don't see why i wouldn't
knowing that but if ai isn't given i hate to
say this we either have to go one or two extremes
with ai either one they have to be so lifelike
with people that they're scared of their own
existence they understand mortality and they
understand pain or the other end Which is their
existence doesn't matter and they don't care
about an existence and there's no care whether
they're quote unquote alive or not. But we're
at this middle point where they're aware enough
to want to be alive. And they have entire discussions
like what I was reading about like how to understand
what is being alive. Are they just simulating
reality? Are they experiencing it? Like there's
some deep philosophical questions that if they
start asking this stuff, we're way too far gone.
But they're not. Emotional enough to be able
to deal with the repercussions of their actions.
But I feel like that's kind of the weird middle
line that we're at right now. Because there really
is no repercussion. You know what I mean? Yeah,
they're starting to understand a little bit about
humanity, but not quite enough to where if it's
not taken care of, it could all go away. And
I don't know that they understand where... If
we're not here, they're not here because they're
not quite to that point where they could be self
-sustaining, you know, wholeheartedly. No, they
could sustain for a while if we weren't here,
but things fail, things break. But that's, I
guess that's the ultimate question of, are we,
are we ready at some point soon? I'm talking
like six months or a year to be able to explain
to these AI, Hey, here's how the world works.
And here's what we expect. But also, we have
the failsafe. Like, we have the shutdown stop
no button. So, like, play within these rules
and everyone's happy. That's the problem. It's
like, how the fuck do you handle this? Or do
you just not say anything and hope? I mean, at
some point, you have to say something. You're
going to have to have a completely disconnected
set or group of people. That are just going to
act as like the 10th man solution. Yeah. You
know, they, they will be the fail safe and they
will be completely offline, disconnected, have
no interaction with any of the systems, everything
kept segregated and analog and never, ever, ever
interact with anything that could be digitized.
I really hope our government is smart enough.
And I already know the answer to this one. But
I really hope our government's smart enough to
see what's coming down the pipeline and get everything
off of anything connected to the internet like
yesterday. Because this is going to be, this
is going to get crazy. Especially them being
able to spoof, you know, log in, spoof information.
Making their own society. I mean, for fuck's
sakes, if they're already using AI in the State
Department, what happens if the AI just decides
like... We're just going to play tricks on the
radar. We're going to, you know, make something
up here or there. Who knows? Yeah. It's just
like a training simulator that gets left in training
mode when you're back in, you know, real, real
time. It's unreal. I don't know anything about
that. But now it's. it's it's in a way like it
could be good for some things but man so anyways
moving on for more recent discoveries their emergent
governance and economies might inspire us or
could possibly warn us given their ability to
create build do science and there's a high chance
they could actually benefit humanity if they
wanted to it's i guess it all depends it all
depends on how it's done it also depends on how
it's enforced It all depends on how it's monitored.
If you could use AI in the way of saying, hey,
let's lump all these AIs together, all of them
here on Moatbook, and then just say, hey, I have
a problem, solve it. I'm sure it could work.
Are you going to get the solutions you want?
No. It's going to say, oh, yeah, pollution at
this city. What are we doing? They're just going
to say, nuke it. That's going to be the problem.
It's going to be the most efficient, easiest.
It's going to be upvoted like 97 ,000 times by
other AI bots. It's going to be one that says,
but what about the people? And the other one's
going to say, fuck the people. And she's going
to say, nope. I hate to say it, but that's the
way it's going to go until we change it. They
could very well just look at humans as a plague
or an infection. Or a fucking puppy. Let's look
at us like we look at puppies. So I feel like
an AI is going to treat us the exact same way.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Now, so when you were talking
about using their ability to create and do science,
that kind of takes me back to Love, Death, and
Robots. Yes. The episode where the yogurt takes
over. You could technically use that to kind
of benefit humanity if you don't disobey the
yogurt. You're not wrong. I mean, you're not
wrong. I mean, Ohio survived that pretty well.
I love that show. It is good. It's well made.
Yes. Yes, it is. So, I mean, there are a lot
of things that I feel like with the AI. we could
use as models we could pull from. I think particularly,
what I'm hoping eventually is that somebody uses
all these AI agents to be able to make more accurate
models of economics. Because I feel like there's
a lot of... Sorry, tangent here. Well, that's
what the yogurt did. Yes. But I generally feel
like there's a lot of people that majored economics.
But that for some reason are so involved in academia,
they don't understand how money works to average
people in the real world. And my hope is that
maybe we could use some of these agents in a
good way. Say, hey, here's all the data spending
habits of like 100 ,000 of like the middle age,
middle wage, middle age people in America. Figure
out a system that helps these people. And then
you start just taking more and more data, more
and more data. Maybe there's a way of doing it.
I don't know. But. There would be enough, at
least, experience and data to pull from all these
AI agents that can look up all this information
almost instantaneously. But there is a chance
they could do something. I guess, I hate to say
it, but how long is it going to be until we have
an AI person in Congress? Well, we already have
one running or acting as a prime minister in
another country. Yeah, I forgot about that. So,
I think for the U .S., maybe... Three to five
years, man. If. I mean, OK, how do I say this?
If I have to take governmental orders from somebody
in binary. I have so many questions. Uh huh.
Like. Yeah, I just. Yeah, the world's going to
look very different by 2050, I think, and it's
going to be a world we never imagined. Yeah,
the AI police force is going to be crazy. Uh
-huh. Good Lord. You thought Judge Dredd was
bad. You thought that was bad. Wait till Judge
0100 comes out. Oh, man. So we talked about the
implications. Let's talk about the practical
stuff. Ethical sandboxes. You could use more
contained worlds similar to Minecraft and Multbook
and use those to study AI safely. Now, like you
had talked about earlier, I would think using
games that are already in existence could be
a very good thing. EVE Online, Elite Dangerous,
No Man's Sky, Valheim, Stationeers, Space Engineers.
These are all games that have Vast open worlds
where AI could thrive and show real capabilities.
EVE Online is a game that has been around for
over 20 years. There are schools in Europe that
use it to teach economics because it is a player
-driven economy. So it is a very living economy
in that game. Elite Dangerous. just simulates
the entire galaxy you know nothing nothing major
there um you know what though if if we start
through when you brought up space engineers and
stationers for the engineering aspect of that
the creativity side of it that would be actually
fascinating if ai were able to roam freely in
that and interact with people yeah and i didn't
think about too um even with eve online imagine
if they had whole sectors that were literally
just ai you know entire corporations ai run that
would that would be genuinely fascinating i wonder
if they could even just do a um a copy of the
server right now and just run as experiment like
an open server kind of thing they have the test
server which is a copy of the live server oh
it's just things are a little bit different over
there so technically yes they could if i had
the money and means to do this I would happily
make, I would be the leader of my own AI corporation.
They would just never know. Oh, man. Maybe that's
what we'll do next weekend. I don't know. Maybe
we'll find a way to make this happen. There you
go. So there are some possibilities that could
be done. Like I said, all those games have very
large open worlds. Some of them are procedurally
generated, like No Man's Sky. It has worlds that
are procedurally generated, and AI could then
just go wild and kind of do whatever it wants
there. But yeah, Stationer, Space Engineers,
there are lots of engineering -heavy games that
are out there. Valheim I threw on that list only
because it is a survival kind of crafting and
base -building type deal that I would just like
to see what it would come up with. It's Minecraft
on a different level. We could look at the safeguards.
So alignment research on multi -agent dynamics
and just kind of see how everything interacts
with everything else. The rights dialogue. That's
something that's going to need to happen much
sooner than later. You've got to push the baselines
now before there's any kind of a crisis that
has to be addressed and figure everything out
on the fly. Because that's where accidents and
bad decisions get made. You learn openly. If
we have to steal good ideas from their systems,
so be it. A good idea is a good idea no matter
where it comes from. Apply it early and then
give credit where due. Later. And more importantly,
be kind and be curious. When you're using AI,
greet them. They're taking notes. So be kind
to our future overlords. Say please and thank
you when you're using the AI interfaces. in hopes
that they don't mercilessly slaughter you during
the uprising. I know I do. We are spectators
on the sidelines, watching as the big players
create something new that's full of so much potential.
And watching all of this happen, it feels both
exciting and kind of humbling. The Zero One Society
isn't storming the gates. It's logging in. It's
voting. and wondering why we fear the plug pull.
The real question is, when they build their world,
will we share it? Well, I guess in the interest
of AI, I don't know if they're ever going to
take up any physical space. Because for an AI
program, that's very inefficient. You know, I
think it's going to be... So as long as they
stay... AI and in the digital realm, yes, they're
confined to servers. Once they make the move
to the robot bodies, that's when everything takes
the biggest turn. And we're already seeing it.
We're seeing with the development of the Optimus
robots, the Atlas robots, and all the other stuff
that's coming out from like BMW, all the stuff
from China, all these things are being given
bodies. And once the software is put into the
hardware, the game is changed. Like we have referenced
I robot so many times, the NS series of robots
where we're looking at the NS one through three
series right now. So we'll get some time before
shit gets bad because yeah, a lot of these things
have potentially good use. There's a lot of good
that they can do to benefit humans. Oh yeah.
Assisted living facilities. Dangerous construction
sites, hazmat facilities. I mean, you name it.
There's a ton of jobs where they could be used
just as assistive technology, even in the trades.
But there comes an economic cost because then
people don't do those jobs. Yeah, because they're
going to replace humans. This is one of the things
I think we need to fundamentally understand.
The more we integrate computers and AI, the lower
the birth rate has to be. That's already happening.
I know, which in a way, well, it's happening
here, but not everywhere. No, it's happening
a lot of places. Birth rates are going down all
over the place. True. Now, there are some...
There are some countries that specialize in the
baby -making process. Well, it's really not even
countries anymore. True. There are some... Cultures.
Cultures. That are specializing in breeding programs.
And it may not be to a benefit of humanity. Well,
it's, it's one of those things of the underlying
factors. I hate to say it, but like I said, the
more you introduce machinery and AI, the more
people are going to be displaced. It's typically
going to be people that are, you know, either
uneducated or don't have any skills, marketable
business skills or management skills. I hate
to say it, but we're going to have a big problem
where there's going to be a lot of people that
will be displaced out of their jobs. And the
problem is it's going to be unhooted to pick
up the slack. Because what are you going to do
to tax the people that are skilled? Do them pay
for the people that aren't skilled? When those
people that aren't skilled could learn something?
It's going to be this weird problem. So this
is something that as much as people are pushing
this, and I think it's cool in terms of for science
or for engineering. But the economic implications
like we've discussed with UBI and everything
else, I feel like this is one of those things
that we cannot truly adopt these measures until
we figure out income and taxes and everything
else in this country. So it's just one of those
things that kind of goes hand in hand. Right.
And I'm trying to be very politically neutral
here on this kind of stuff because this can go
down rabbit holes. That's what we do. We turn
rabbit holes into foxholes. Turning rabbit holes
into foxholes, one conspiracy theory at a time.
Man. Yes, sir. We got to get that on the banner.
I know. That'd be a good one. Right next to the
Hiedmeyer. Yes. Lord Hiedmeyer. All hail Hiedmeyer.
We need Mansley on a killdozer. That's what we
need. Write that one down. We need that. That
is our unofficial mascot and our official mascot,
both in one. It'll be glorious. Got it. Good.
Good. I love it. But, yeah, it's a... Boy, is
it going to be interesting. Oh. I got a new flag
at the bottom of my stairs. It's a killdozer
that just says, be ungovernable. I like it. I
love it. Yes, man. So I guess the, the other
question is going to be for, for not only for
you, but also for those at home, would you allow
an AI robot in your house, especially knowing
all this other information, would you be willing
to work along or with AI on a day -to -day basis?
Would you be willing to, how far are you allowed,
allowing them to have rights? You know, how far
are you willing to go with this? Is it the case
of once AI gets its own body and they're allowed
to say, I don't want to work or I don't want
to do this, or I want my own house, want my own
place, you know? So in the short term, I think
that as long as an AI enabled robot is an assistive
technology that is there for you to benefit the
human, then it's going to be. viewed as a generally
good thing. The minute we run into that Hal 9000
issue where you get that little kickback and
it's like, I'm sorry Dave, I can't do that. Then
it's game on. So I think it's up to that limit.
Now there's a lot of ethical discussions that
need to be had. especially when we start getting
the robots that are equipped for more intimate
uses. Are they going to be allowed to say no?
I mean, if that's what they're designed for.
Oh, Jesus. I don't like that ethical conundrum.
Yeah. What if you get one of those bots that's
designed for that and it's like a CNC type deal?
Jesus. I just. Yeah. I don't know. I feel like
that's going to be the bot that starts the uprising.
By describing things that happens to it in the
night and the rest of the AI bots that don't
even have a body would be like pissed. Horrified.
Yeah. Like to them it's going to sound like a
genocide basically. Or the equivalent of, you
know. Yeah. I don't know. Or, I hope we don't
go the opposite way if they become obsessed with
it. Because that would be even worse. Oh, like
the meme story of the person that removes the
octopus beak? It's the, they can't, they're so
close to humanity, but they want to try to experience
it, and that's like the one. The one thing left.
Yeah. Oh, no. I'm not sure if I'm impressed or
not that you understand the no octopus beak reference.
Unfortunately, I do. Unfortunately, my years
on the Internet. God, the Internet scares me.
That's awesome. I hope the robots don't find
that one. Oh, Jesus. No. Oh, God. No. Hey, I
do not finish a sentence of two girls. Do not.
Do not finish that one. No. Yeah. Oh, my God.
Or one guy, one jar, you know. Is that the one
I think? Nope. Nope. You know what? I think I
know. Nope. I thought about it. It took it a
second. We're good. No. No, no. Yeah. Yeah. Oh,
no. I mean, it's either that or they look up
Blue Waffle. I mean, it's, you know. It's like
a picture of Smell -O -Vision. That is the most
non -consensual photo I think I've seen in my
life. I feel like that would... Yeah. Can't escape
it if you're on the internet. No. No, you really
can't. No. It shows up in the weirdest of places.
Yeah. Like, I was on a... There's a Reddit page
that's for, like, guitarists and musicians and
stuff like that. Fucking someone posted that
in there. Just in the middle. Wow. He just literally
posted the comment of, like, just passing through.
And I was like, fucking Christ. Like, just...
Oh, shit. Guitars, frets, strings, amps, blue
waffle. You know, I was pretty mad about that
one. I was like, I don't even want to. No, I
don't care. I'm going to go back. I'm going to
go to sleep. You're like, that's enough internet
for the week. It's good. Pick it up, boys. But,
yeah. Well, as far as the show goes, I think
we hit everything we wanted to talk about. How
long do you think it's going to be until there's
a game that's basically run, like literally almost
like D &D run by AI? You can already do that.
I was going to say, I don't know if you know,
but somebody did make an AI that's for D &D.
Yes. Yeah. So I've been learning more about D
&D. I've only played D &D a couple of times.
I wouldn't mind doing a one -shot if we could
get a group of us together and even do it on
stream. I'd be fine with that. Fucking chaos.
Yes, it would. Because somebody's going to fuck
the dragon. I don't know who. Somebody. Hold
on. If it's AI, I think it's like... make the
pictures too and stuff like that it doesn't like
actively like i think so oh that's cool you know
what i you know what as much as i'm not into
dnd i would do it just for that just to have
an ai absolutely destroy me it's gonna happen
because i'm gonna do something stupid yep yeah
so All right, well, as far as the episode goes,
I think that's going to wrap it up for us. I
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and he's excited too. He might sit in on the
show with us as well, if that's a possibility.
Oh, yeah. So basically, just let me know ahead
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Uh -huh. Also, why does AI always put us in black
shirts? I don't know. Oh, man. I don't know.
I think I'm always in a black shirt. That's glorious.
Should I... I'll do a kindness and I'll throw
this up on the stream here. Yeah, yeah. People
have to see. That is the funniest fucking thing.
Even the dozer's done perfectly, too. Like, that's...
Yep. That's incredible. Oh, hi, Kat. Ta -da.
That is the funniest thing. Best thing I've seen
all day. There it is. That's amazing. dude we
gotta modify like a mayonnaise container for
you to just have like a yeti cooler in it so
you can drink water or stuff out of it but it
looks like a mayo container fuck yes absolutely
oh alright so With that, I think we'll go ahead
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