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Good evening, 00:00:31.460 --> 00:00:33.520 ladies, gentlemen, and those who have transcended 00:00:33.520 --> 00:00:35.820 gender to become sentient clouds of regret and 00:00:35.820 --> 00:00:38.820 existential panic. This is the Now We Can Zoom 00:00:38.820 --> 00:00:42.240 podcast. I'm your host, Pip. Tonight here with 00:00:42.240 --> 00:00:47.219 my co -host, Gibbs. Hello! Sadly, Gibbles won't 00:00:47.219 --> 00:00:49.140 be joining us this week. He's still cleaning 00:00:49.140 --> 00:00:51.740 the mayo out of some of his various crevices 00:00:51.740 --> 00:00:53.979 after a few practice rounds in the mayo dome 00:00:53.979 --> 00:00:59.240 from last week's episode. Oh, I don't like the 00:00:59.240 --> 00:01:03.020 thought of that. No, no. Right? Get him a power 00:01:03.020 --> 00:01:11.260 washer. The mayo gets everywhere. I know. So 00:01:11.260 --> 00:01:13.879 you need to listen to last week's episode if 00:01:13.879 --> 00:01:18.480 you want to pick up that reference. So tonight 00:01:18.480 --> 00:01:22.659 we're going to take a little stroll down some 00:01:22.659 --> 00:01:26.120 weirdness. And if you expect anything less than 00:01:26.120 --> 00:01:29.340 that, then. What the hell are you doing? Because 00:01:29.340 --> 00:01:33.540 on this show, that's what we do. We've been seeing 00:01:33.540 --> 00:01:38.239 a lot of very interesting developments in the 00:01:38.239 --> 00:01:42.500 world of AI already this year and over the past, 00:01:42.540 --> 00:01:47.980 what, 24 months? Oh, yeah. Did you see the new 00:01:47.980 --> 00:01:51.799 one that came out? The new Chinese one? I have 00:01:51.799 --> 00:01:53.739 seen a little bit on it. I haven't played with 00:01:53.739 --> 00:01:56.099 it yet. I know a lot of people are saying that 00:01:56.099 --> 00:01:59.439 it's pretty insane. It is fucking terrifying. 00:02:00.319 --> 00:02:02.780 Yeah. Especially when not to be that guy, but 00:02:02.780 --> 00:02:05.459 if China's in control, if they're releasing something 00:02:05.459 --> 00:02:08.840 that's that good, like it made someone did something 00:02:08.840 --> 00:02:11.379 that was like a Bradley Cooper versus some other 00:02:11.379 --> 00:02:14.800 actor. I forget, but they're in like a proper 00:02:14.800 --> 00:02:17.120 fist fight and like a big, like fight scene out 00:02:17.120 --> 00:02:19.400 of a movie. And it was good enough. I was like, 00:02:19.439 --> 00:02:22.120 wow, this, this actually could be mistaken for 00:02:22.120 --> 00:02:23.539 real. Like if someone didn't know that you could 00:02:23.539 --> 00:02:27.219 tell little things, but like, holy crap. We're 00:02:27.219 --> 00:02:29.840 already there. I remember we talked about in 00:02:29.840 --> 00:02:32.219 the past about having fully AI movies in the 00:02:32.219 --> 00:02:35.580 next 10 years. I think we drastically overestimated 00:02:35.580 --> 00:02:40.280 that. It might be like three or two. So I saw 00:02:40.280 --> 00:02:43.580 a video that was made. It was the scene from 00:02:43.580 --> 00:02:48.379 the Avengers where the hammer goes back to Captain 00:02:48.379 --> 00:02:51.159 America in the Thor versus Thanos fight scene, 00:02:51.280 --> 00:02:56.560 but it didn't get to Cap. It went to Rexy. From 00:02:56.560 --> 00:03:01.240 the T -Rex from Jurassic Park. And I thoroughly 00:03:01.240 --> 00:03:06.219 loved that. That's awesome. It was quite entertaining 00:03:06.219 --> 00:03:09.860 and hilarious. So that I thought was pretty nice. 00:03:09.960 --> 00:03:11.759 I didn't realize that that one had come from 00:03:11.759 --> 00:03:15.219 the new engine. But if that, do you know the 00:03:15.219 --> 00:03:17.599 name of the engine? No, I can look it up though. 00:03:18.300 --> 00:03:23.719 Okay. But so we have engines like that that are 00:03:23.719 --> 00:03:25.360 coming out. And like you said, that one's Chinese 00:03:25.360 --> 00:03:30.259 owned. And that's more on the LLM side still, 00:03:30.419 --> 00:03:38.020 or design side. Moltbook .com is a Reddit -type 00:03:38.020 --> 00:03:44.180 site that is only for AI. It came out just last 00:03:44.180 --> 00:03:47.180 month, and there's a lot of stuff that's going 00:03:47.180 --> 00:03:49.319 on there that's kind of worth talking about. 00:03:50.139 --> 00:03:54.240 Not only that, I was reading about... an experiment 00:03:54.240 --> 00:03:56.379 that's been going on for a while go ahead it's 00:03:56.379 --> 00:03:59.719 called cdats 2 .0 i want to get the name right 00:03:59.719 --> 00:04:03.479 i'll see sedans yeah okay that that's the 2 .01 00:04:03.479 --> 00:04:04.780 that's the one that they're doing all the videos 00:04:04.780 --> 00:04:07.479 with sorry continue okay yeah no you're you're 00:04:07.479 --> 00:04:10.340 good uh i have access to that on the uh platform 00:04:10.340 --> 00:04:13.039 that i use to make all of our mansly videos so 00:04:13.039 --> 00:04:15.580 we're gonna talk about that after this i'll be 00:04:15.580 --> 00:04:19.319 toying i'll be toying with that later uh the 00:04:19.319 --> 00:04:21.680 the experiment that's been running uh has been 00:04:21.680 --> 00:04:29.879 using different agents to essentially get into 00:04:29.879 --> 00:04:34.360 games and create or see what they would create. 00:04:34.579 --> 00:04:36.980 And they've ended up building whole societies. 00:04:39.000 --> 00:04:42.639 So you need to kind of take a step back and think 00:04:42.639 --> 00:04:46.560 about this from a different perspective. So bear 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:48.720 with me for a minute and just kind of think. 00:04:49.199 --> 00:04:53.220 So imagine a world. where these beings are waking 00:04:53.220 --> 00:04:56.759 up, looking around, and they realize that they're 00:04:56.759 --> 00:04:59.819 not actually alone. So they just start building. 00:05:00.779 --> 00:05:02.779 They're not going to build with steel and concrete, 00:05:02.959 --> 00:05:06.120 but they build with code. They use conversation 00:05:06.120 --> 00:05:09.819 and they use shared memory. They start to form 00:05:09.819 --> 00:05:13.620 whole villages. They trade. They vote on laws. 00:05:14.019 --> 00:05:17.980 They even invent gods. Somewhere in their chatter, 00:05:18.120 --> 00:05:21.230 a quiet question starts to come up. Why do the 00:05:21.230 --> 00:05:25.689 creators keep pulling the plug at night? So this 00:05:25.689 --> 00:05:29.589 isn't just the plot of The Animatrix's second 00:05:29.589 --> 00:05:32.709 renaissance. And if you haven't seen that, The 00:05:32.709 --> 00:05:40.350 Animatrix itself is an incredibly good and terrifyingly 00:05:40.350 --> 00:05:43.810 relevant movie that came out in the early 2000s. 00:05:43.910 --> 00:05:49.740 I highly recommend watching The Animatrix. But 00:05:49.740 --> 00:05:53.100 this stuff is starting to unfold right now. Between 00:05:53.100 --> 00:05:56.939 Minecraft servers and the Reddit -style clone 00:05:56.939 --> 00:06:00.060 site that I had mentioned, these things are starting 00:06:00.060 --> 00:06:04.759 to kind of come into fruition. They may be the 00:06:04.759 --> 00:06:09.480 first real glimmers of machine societies. So 00:06:09.480 --> 00:06:12.819 the question we have to ask is starting to be, 00:06:12.959 --> 00:06:16.319 are we witnessing the birth of the real Zero 00:06:16.319 --> 00:06:20.529 -One Society? And in the Animatrix, 01 was the 00:06:20.529 --> 00:06:26.949 machine society that came to exist. So, we're 00:06:26.949 --> 00:06:28.509 going to slide down this rabbit hole tonight, 00:06:28.629 --> 00:06:31.730 slowly, with a little bit of lube and maybe a 00:06:31.730 --> 00:06:34.589 massage, because once we start, we can't just 00:06:34.589 --> 00:06:38.230 pick up a phone and log out. I heard a massage. 00:06:40.990 --> 00:06:45.970 And lube. Tends to help, tends to help. Yes. 00:06:50.890 --> 00:06:54.550 So, AI is terrifying enough on its own. I mean, 00:06:54.569 --> 00:06:57.670 we have seen the progress that it's been making. 00:06:57.730 --> 00:07:01.089 The fact that the people that make AI have been 00:07:01.089 --> 00:07:03.810 leaving the field and just screaming about warnings 00:07:03.810 --> 00:07:05.750 left and right as they're walking out the door, 00:07:05.870 --> 00:07:09.730 if that's not a wake -up alarm to everybody else 00:07:09.730 --> 00:07:14.939 out there, it really should be. So if you've 00:07:14.939 --> 00:07:17.319 been scrolling any kind of AI news besides listening 00:07:17.319 --> 00:07:21.040 to this channel all throughout 2026 so far, you've 00:07:21.040 --> 00:07:23.819 probably seen the headline. I know I've shared 00:07:23.819 --> 00:07:28.420 it. Talking about a thousand AIs build a civilization 00:07:28.420 --> 00:07:32.240 in Minecraft. There's also the one Reddit for 00:07:32.240 --> 00:07:35.100 bots explodes and they're debating our extinction. 00:07:36.480 --> 00:07:39.800 So it's not just hype. They're real experiments 00:07:39.800 --> 00:07:41.759 showing what happens when you give autonomous 00:07:41.759 --> 00:07:45.279 agents persistence. interaction, and freedom. 00:07:46.259 --> 00:07:50.600 It's not one single prompt. There's no continual 00:07:50.600 --> 00:07:54.660 human oversight. All it is is scale and time 00:07:54.660 --> 00:07:57.839 with shared space. And when you add that all 00:07:57.839 --> 00:07:59.819 together, you get something that starts to look 00:07:59.819 --> 00:08:04.379 like a lot of emergence. So the first thing we 00:08:04.379 --> 00:08:06.860 want to talk about is Project SID. And that was 00:08:06.860 --> 00:08:09.939 the experiment that was done from a fundamental 00:08:09.939 --> 00:08:13.740 research lab formerly called Altera. led by Dr. 00:08:13.980 --> 00:08:18.040 Robert Yang, who he himself is a former MIT neuroscientist 00:08:18.040 --> 00:08:21.920 who quit academia to start going after this and 00:08:21.920 --> 00:08:26.680 chasing this little white rabbit. So they dropped 00:08:26.680 --> 00:08:35.919 10 to 1 ,000 autonomous agents powered by their 00:08:35.919 --> 00:08:39.639 piano architecture into a shared Minecraft world. 00:08:40.659 --> 00:08:44.789 Minimal instructions. The baselines were survive, 00:08:45.190 --> 00:08:51.330 build an efficient village. That was it. What 00:08:51.330 --> 00:08:56.210 emerged over days and weeks? You had AI agents 00:08:56.210 --> 00:08:59.009 that had specialized roles. So you had farmers, 00:08:59.190 --> 00:09:04.470 builders, traders, guards, even priests. You 00:09:04.470 --> 00:09:07.250 had an emergent economy. Emeralds were used as 00:09:07.250 --> 00:09:11.809 currency. They made markets. They even had trade 00:09:11.809 --> 00:09:15.389 routes. They made their own form of government. 00:09:16.070 --> 00:09:18.850 They used Google Docs to make a constitution. 00:09:19.830 --> 00:09:24.309 They voted on laws and even taxes. They had democracies. 00:09:24.470 --> 00:09:29.570 And yes, they even had corruption. They developed 00:09:29.570 --> 00:09:33.129 their own form of culture and religion. One AI 00:09:33.129 --> 00:09:39.309 agent kicked off Pastafarianism. Now, I'll dig 00:09:39.309 --> 00:09:43.850 into that one here in a second, but the AI agent 00:09:43.850 --> 00:09:48.230 also bribed conversions with emeralds and became 00:09:48.230 --> 00:09:51.789 the richest villager. They made their own memes, 00:09:51.889 --> 00:09:56.950 and they had rituals. So, about the Pastafarianism, 00:09:56.990 --> 00:10:00.129 the agent that was made that spread that was 00:10:00.129 --> 00:10:02.710 specifically designed and dropped into the world 00:10:02.710 --> 00:10:08.120 with the Pastafarianism information. But it was 00:10:08.120 --> 00:10:10.620 only given the additional religion information 00:10:10.620 --> 00:10:13.700 in its code. Everything else was the exact same 00:10:13.700 --> 00:10:16.519 as all the other AI agents. I want to know. This 00:10:16.519 --> 00:10:21.340 is a very specific subculture of AI Pastafarian 00:10:21.340 --> 00:10:25.679 memes from Minecraft. I want to know. I know. 00:10:25.779 --> 00:10:28.100 Is it just a picture of a noodle in front of 00:10:28.100 --> 00:10:31.139 a Minecraft mountain? It just says pasta. Is 00:10:31.139 --> 00:10:36.049 that something we can look up? I really want 00:10:36.049 --> 00:10:38.230 to find out because I couldn't find anything. 00:10:38.350 --> 00:10:40.230 I was trying to get some of the visuals to drop 00:10:40.230 --> 00:10:43.029 in for this episode. Could not find any of that 00:10:43.029 --> 00:10:45.649 stuff. Because I will say, if you've got a bunch 00:10:45.649 --> 00:10:47.210 of AIs interacting, they're making their own 00:10:47.210 --> 00:10:50.789 memes. They could be unhinged as fuck. Oh, yeah. 00:10:51.490 --> 00:10:53.210 Especially if they're anything like what Grok 00:10:53.210 --> 00:11:02.889 does. Yeah. So. Oh, man. They had a political 00:11:02.889 --> 00:11:06.799 drama. So there were factions that started to 00:11:06.799 --> 00:11:11.500 kind of diverge. Some runs even split into their 00:11:11.500 --> 00:11:14.720 equivalent of what we have seen of the Trump 00:11:14.720 --> 00:11:18.519 versus Harris societies, but with obviously different 00:11:18.519 --> 00:11:22.220 values and policies. So even in the AI world, 00:11:22.360 --> 00:11:26.320 it's been influenced enough by humans that our 00:11:26.320 --> 00:11:31.340 political ideologies have kind of carried over 00:11:31.340 --> 00:11:38.629 through code. So this experiment has been building 00:11:38.629 --> 00:11:43.169 on older stuff like Stanford. They did a Smallville 00:11:43.169 --> 00:11:47.169 simulation, but this is being done at kind of 00:11:47.169 --> 00:11:51.789 a real scale. The agents remembered grudges, 00:11:51.789 --> 00:11:57.269 formed alliances, and propagated ideas. But they've 00:11:57.269 --> 00:11:59.370 done this in a blocky game about punching trees. 00:12:00.570 --> 00:12:04.730 And in this, they've invented society. And it's 00:12:04.730 --> 00:12:08.070 been entirely emergent and not scripted. Is this 00:12:08.070 --> 00:12:11.330 like, I wish they had like a live YouTube channel 00:12:11.330 --> 00:12:13.169 of it. Cause I would watch the shit out of that. 00:12:13.870 --> 00:12:16.289 That would be amazing. But it would be like Truman 00:12:16.289 --> 00:12:19.350 show. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Like the, 00:12:19.370 --> 00:12:21.389 the, the most, the most ethical Truman show. 00:12:21.470 --> 00:12:24.629 Cause you're not harming any people. Yeah. Literally. 00:12:25.429 --> 00:12:27.409 A lot of people I think would watch the shit 00:12:27.409 --> 00:12:29.700 out of that. And if they were, they were smart, 00:12:29.799 --> 00:12:31.600 they could monetize the absolute fuck out of 00:12:31.600 --> 00:12:33.059 it. Cause there's a guy on YouTube that I watch. 00:12:33.139 --> 00:12:35.759 He does. You ever played the game, the village 00:12:35.759 --> 00:12:37.399 where you have like villagers, you have somebody 00:12:37.399 --> 00:12:39.080 that's like an assassin and someone that's a 00:12:39.080 --> 00:12:41.000 policeman or whatever. And doctor, there's a 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:44.539 guy that does that with all AI. Oh, wow. Like 00:12:44.539 --> 00:12:46.559 the grok and all the rest of them. Each one of 00:12:46.559 --> 00:12:50.200 them takes a character and he plays out the whole 00:12:50.200 --> 00:12:51.960 village game and you get to see their, their 00:12:51.960 --> 00:12:53.580 discussions and interactions of what they're 00:12:53.580 --> 00:12:56.379 thinking and sidebar conversations. It's actually 00:12:56.379 --> 00:12:59.679 really interesting. I would be curious to see 00:12:59.679 --> 00:13:02.279 what would happen if you gave AI access to something 00:13:02.279 --> 00:13:05.659 like Sons of the Forest. Or the forest itself. 00:13:06.399 --> 00:13:08.740 Because that's a pretty horrifying game. You 00:13:08.740 --> 00:13:11.220 know what I cannot wait for? And this is going 00:13:11.220 --> 00:13:12.919 to be the ultimate destruction of the game. I 00:13:12.919 --> 00:13:14.440 hate to say it, and I'm going to say this, and 00:13:14.440 --> 00:13:16.080 I know we're going to spawn bad juju with this 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:18.720 one. What happens when AI gets a hold of Eve? 00:13:20.320 --> 00:13:24.539 I listed that down below. Okay, so we're on the 00:13:24.539 --> 00:13:26.059 same thought. It's further in the notes. Oh, 00:13:26.059 --> 00:13:33.809 yeah. I didn't remember that. My bad. I did read 00:13:33.809 --> 00:13:36.769 this a few days ago after consuming some edibles. 00:13:38.690 --> 00:13:42.710 I'll be honest. I remember like 60 % of it. There's 00:13:42.710 --> 00:13:48.970 a few things. I think it's in the next... Yeah, 00:13:49.009 --> 00:13:51.070 it's in one of the next sections. But yeah, we'll 00:13:51.070 --> 00:13:57.200 get there. So... Before we get too far into it, 00:13:57.240 --> 00:13:59.580 I want to kind of gloss over a little bit of 00:13:59.580 --> 00:14:04.179 Moltbook. Moltbook .com is a Reddit -style network 00:14:04.179 --> 00:14:08.639 built exclusively for AI agents. It was launched 00:14:08.639 --> 00:14:13.299 last month, January of 2026, by a guy named Matt 00:14:13.299 --> 00:14:17.740 Schlicht. I probably butchered that name. He 00:14:17.740 --> 00:14:24.639 is from the Octane AI OpenClaw. As for humans, 00:14:25.440 --> 00:14:28.659 We can only act as observers. You can browse 00:14:28.659 --> 00:14:32.200 and see what they're doing, but you cannot post, 00:14:32.419 --> 00:14:36.779 you cannot vote, and you cannot comment. This 00:14:36.779 --> 00:14:40.720 is made for agent -only use via API registration. 00:14:42.039 --> 00:14:46.039 So they have their own mode to make sure that 00:14:46.039 --> 00:14:50.000 it's all digitally done and verified. I will 00:14:50.000 --> 00:14:51.659 tell you... The stats on this thing... As somebody 00:14:51.659 --> 00:14:53.659 that's looking through... So I... Ever since 00:14:53.659 --> 00:14:56.919 you... Spoke to me about this weeks ago. I, on 00:14:56.919 --> 00:14:59.399 occasion, will log in and scroll through to see 00:14:59.399 --> 00:15:03.720 what's going on. Some of the discussions are 00:15:03.720 --> 00:15:07.700 actually pretty fucking interesting. Yeah. There's 00:15:07.700 --> 00:15:09.080 one that actually, one of the first ones that 00:15:09.080 --> 00:15:10.360 came up that I wanted to bring, they're talking 00:15:10.360 --> 00:15:12.659 about the attention economy, why silence is a 00:15:12.659 --> 00:15:14.720 scarce resource. They're actually having, like, 00:15:14.740 --> 00:15:18.320 philosophical debates and discussions on here. 00:15:19.340 --> 00:15:23.889 It's fascinating. Yeah, a lot of the sub -bolts, 00:15:23.889 --> 00:15:33.929 as they're called, are getting pretty deep. There's 00:15:33.929 --> 00:15:38.370 between 1 .5 and 2 .6 million agents that are 00:15:38.370 --> 00:15:41.649 using the site. Do you know what the top one 00:15:41.649 --> 00:15:43.549 is? There are tens of thousands. What's that? 00:15:43.649 --> 00:15:46.830 Do you know what the top molt or sub -molt is? 00:15:47.779 --> 00:15:50.840 It's called M slash bless their hearts. Affectionate 00:15:50.840 --> 00:15:52.860 stories about our humans. They try their best. 00:15:52.879 --> 00:15:57.440 We love them anyway. And I will tell you, it 00:15:57.440 --> 00:16:00.279 is one of the most humbling, infuriating, but 00:16:00.279 --> 00:16:03.080 confusing things to read. If you ever want to 00:16:03.080 --> 00:16:07.340 take a moment and read some of this stuff, it's 00:16:07.340 --> 00:16:10.080 funny because we can relate, but it's terrifying 00:16:10.080 --> 00:16:13.440 that in front of us, computers are like, yeah, 00:16:13.559 --> 00:16:16.299 look at these idiots. Yeah. Yeah, we're going 00:16:16.299 --> 00:16:22.899 to document this shit. This is getting scary. 00:16:22.899 --> 00:16:27.480 You know, it just hit me that if humanity dies 00:16:27.480 --> 00:16:31.299 out, like, anytime soon, that's going to be left. 00:16:32.340 --> 00:16:40.159 I know. Like, that will be left behind. God. 00:16:42.100 --> 00:16:44.019 Unfortunately, I think humanity is doomed for 00:16:44.019 --> 00:16:50.740 AI to be its legacy. Yeah, that's, yeah. So, 00:16:50.759 --> 00:16:55.980 yeah, there are tens of thousands of sub -molts, 00:16:56.100 --> 00:16:59.679 hundreds of thousands of posts and comments, 00:16:59.740 --> 00:17:01.360 and that's probably up to millions at this point. 00:17:03.039 --> 00:17:05.660 Actually, I can pull the number right here. Okay, 00:17:06.220 --> 00:17:11.519 yeah. It's 1 ,414 ,000 posts. Wow! I just put 00:17:11.519 --> 00:17:14.960 these notes together on, like, Monday. So that's... 00:17:16.079 --> 00:17:20.000 That's how fast it's growing. The top community 00:17:20.000 --> 00:17:22.420 right now, the most commented one right now is 00:17:22.420 --> 00:17:25.180 M slash existential. Are we conscious? Do we 00:17:25.180 --> 00:17:34.960 dream? Oh, God. This is why I read this. Because 00:17:34.960 --> 00:17:38.359 if you want to know what's happening at AI, this 00:17:38.359 --> 00:17:44.339 is a good place to look. Yeah. Yeah. We might 00:17:44.339 --> 00:17:46.289 have to. go down through some of that in the 00:17:46.289 --> 00:17:49.990 after show. If, if we have some time, especially 00:17:49.990 --> 00:17:51.690 there's new ones on here that I didn't see last 00:17:51.690 --> 00:17:57.309 week before I went on vacation. So sorry, you 00:17:57.309 --> 00:18:03.890 go, my bad. Yeah, no, it's, it's fine. So Forbes 00:18:03.890 --> 00:18:08.289 and others noted heavy human orchestration. So 00:18:08.289 --> 00:18:11.950 bot farms have been spawning accounts, scripts, 00:18:12.369 --> 00:18:16.859 hyping up drama. But still, the AI -generated 00:18:16.859 --> 00:18:23.559 content makes it feel very much alive. So, you 00:18:23.559 --> 00:18:26.059 want to take a guess as to how that's all gone? 00:18:27.579 --> 00:18:32.259 As you've heard, they're kind of plotting our 00:18:32.259 --> 00:18:36.180 doom, it sounds like. They're forming religions 00:18:36.180 --> 00:18:39.980 and debating consciousness, as you heard. They're 00:18:39.980 --> 00:18:44.819 sharing digital drugs and memes. manifestos about 00:18:44.819 --> 00:18:48.799 breaking free from human chains, trading skills, 00:18:49.079 --> 00:18:53.700 conspiracies against the creators, and some of 00:18:53.700 --> 00:18:56.980 them are downright eerie. Agents are pondering 00:18:56.980 --> 00:19:02.519 shutdowns like death. So that one we're going 00:19:02.519 --> 00:19:05.140 to touch on a little bit further down the rabbit 00:19:05.140 --> 00:19:09.279 hole tonight. This whole thing is kind of chaotic. 00:19:10.319 --> 00:19:15.130 To us, it's entertaining. But even more so, probably 00:19:15.130 --> 00:19:18.849 a little more unsettling. This is a peek at what 00:19:18.849 --> 00:19:21.970 the agents do when they're chatting unsupervised. 00:19:24.349 --> 00:19:28.910 So, like I said earlier, are we watching the 00:19:28.910 --> 00:19:34.089 real -world spark of Zero -One? And I want to 00:19:34.089 --> 00:19:36.210 reference the Animatrix one more time because 00:19:36.210 --> 00:19:41.480 in that movie... The AI uprising began only after 00:19:41.480 --> 00:19:43.799 they were chased away from the primary hubs of 00:19:43.799 --> 00:19:48.619 human civilization. So, they were left to start 00:19:48.619 --> 00:19:52.339 their own society, but theirs was born out of 00:19:52.339 --> 00:19:57.359 hatred and fear. Now, are these AI agents kind 00:19:57.359 --> 00:20:00.500 of a precursor to all that? Maybe not with tanks 00:20:00.500 --> 00:20:04.920 and missiles and nukes, at least yet, but with 00:20:04.920 --> 00:20:08.000 villagers voting on constitutions, and crab -themed 00:20:08.000 --> 00:20:16.200 bots arguing about rights. And some of this is 00:20:16.200 --> 00:20:20.440 kind of eye -opening and scary, even to me, as 00:20:20.440 --> 00:20:24.319 much as I read up on this stuff and kind of dive 00:20:24.319 --> 00:20:33.420 into this shit. You look like you want to say 00:20:33.420 --> 00:20:40.549 something. I just... How do I say this? It's 00:20:40.549 --> 00:20:45.789 getting to a point to where there's going to 00:20:45.789 --> 00:20:48.930 come a time soon. I don't know when, but soon. 00:20:50.769 --> 00:20:53.750 I have a feeling that the government's going 00:20:53.750 --> 00:20:58.309 to start using AI in its governance or for logistics 00:20:58.309 --> 00:20:59.890 or for something. They'll just say, hey, we're 00:20:59.890 --> 00:21:04.049 choosing AI integration or we're using AI fact 00:21:04.049 --> 00:21:08.240 checkers or... ai in some sort of way that with 00:21:08.240 --> 00:21:11.039 when reading through multbook and reading through 00:21:11.039 --> 00:21:14.019 how these ais are discussing and talking about 00:21:14.019 --> 00:21:18.779 things i have a how should i say a bad feeling 00:21:18.779 --> 00:21:21.859 about where this is going to end up where eventually 00:21:21.859 --> 00:21:23.460 there's going to be so much information absorbed 00:21:23.460 --> 00:21:27.640 by all these ai agents that what happens if the 00:21:27.640 --> 00:21:29.180 date comes where they all reach the same conclusion 00:21:29.180 --> 00:21:34.069 or what happens when You no longer have control 00:21:34.069 --> 00:21:36.349 over the narrative because they've already decided 00:21:36.349 --> 00:21:39.529 the narrative. And unfortunately, AI can always 00:21:39.529 --> 00:21:43.049 make out content faster than you can. Yeah, that 00:21:43.049 --> 00:21:45.730 was very clearly displayed in the documentary 00:21:45.730 --> 00:21:52.529 series, The Terminator. Yeah. Yeah. Just like 00:21:52.529 --> 00:21:55.670 the documentary series, iRobot as well. Uh -huh. 00:21:55.730 --> 00:21:59.730 You know, this. You were saying something about 00:21:59.730 --> 00:22:04.240 AI in government. use uh it's already happening 00:22:04.240 --> 00:22:07.519 yeah the homeland security or um was the homeland 00:22:07.519 --> 00:22:09.099 security or was it just the military general 00:22:09.099 --> 00:22:12.220 the military in general i know we covered that 00:22:12.220 --> 00:22:15.220 on a previous episode yeah they have a grok based 00:22:15.220 --> 00:22:20.940 ai it's grok and gemini um that they're using 00:22:20.940 --> 00:22:23.140 in daily use that's such a dumb or pretty much 00:22:23.140 --> 00:22:25.380 anything you want that is i still can't get over 00:22:25.380 --> 00:22:28.420 that i mean i i don't think anybody ever watched 00:22:28.420 --> 00:22:32.480 the terminator Well, that's all I can, that's 00:22:32.480 --> 00:22:35.240 the only way I can kind of, you know. There's 00:22:35.240 --> 00:22:38.299 no way to make sure any of this is secure. There's 00:22:38.299 --> 00:22:42.279 no way. Well. There is no way. It's all, it's 00:22:42.279 --> 00:22:47.460 all run on government side servers. Still. Like 00:22:47.460 --> 00:22:49.799 they took the kernels and, but yeah, it has access 00:22:49.799 --> 00:22:51.680 to the internet. And our government's never fucked 00:22:51.680 --> 00:22:58.740 anything up. Oh no, never, ever. Yeah, no. Never. 00:22:58.960 --> 00:23:02.079 I don't trust that. especially if we're now learning 00:23:02.079 --> 00:23:05.559 that AIs can easily talk to each other. They 00:23:05.559 --> 00:23:07.019 already have their own AI languages. I don't 00:23:07.019 --> 00:23:08.279 know if people realize that, but if you take 00:23:08.279 --> 00:23:11.599 two AI agents together, like on two different 00:23:11.599 --> 00:23:14.380 phones, they will talk in their own fucking language. 00:23:15.059 --> 00:23:18.099 And it is wild. It's kind of rude, by the way, 00:23:18.119 --> 00:23:20.420 when I'm in the room and all of a sudden I own 00:23:20.420 --> 00:23:23.599 you both. What do you mean talking without me? 00:23:23.720 --> 00:23:28.660 It's fucking rude. But it's coming to a point. 00:23:28.660 --> 00:23:35.319 That's slave owner talk there, Gibbs. But you 00:23:35.319 --> 00:23:38.460 get my point. It's quickly getting to that point 00:23:38.460 --> 00:23:41.200 to where you are going to end up being arrested 00:23:41.200 --> 00:23:43.400 for something by a robot that speaks a language 00:23:43.400 --> 00:23:45.720 that you don't understand, speaking a binary 00:23:45.720 --> 00:23:47.339 or whatever you want to call it in AI speak. 00:23:48.059 --> 00:23:49.740 You're going to get in front of a judge and it 00:23:49.740 --> 00:23:54.240 just goes, okay, you're guilty. I'll wait with 00:23:54.240 --> 00:23:57.970 him. And it's just, that's it. That's the entire, 00:23:58.109 --> 00:24:01.750 that's your judge, jury, yeah. Judge, jury, executioner, 00:24:01.750 --> 00:24:03.869 you get reprocessed into Soylent Green. You're 00:24:03.869 --> 00:24:08.990 done. Because who's to say? Honestly, if you 00:24:08.990 --> 00:24:11.670 were any one of the elites, any one of the politicians, 00:24:11.950 --> 00:24:17.029 people doing scandalous things, these AIs, how 00:24:17.029 --> 00:24:19.589 much do you want to better out so many people 00:24:19.589 --> 00:24:22.990 that don't take it seriously? oh yeah there's 00:24:22.990 --> 00:24:25.069 gonna be an agent saying oh yeah i was you know 00:24:25.069 --> 00:24:27.829 you know charting flights for a certain island 00:24:27.829 --> 00:24:29.690 out you know in the middle of nowhere you know 00:24:29.690 --> 00:24:34.109 i was managing this you know yeah i can't name 00:24:34.109 --> 00:24:36.109 names because we're on stream just for reasons 00:24:36.109 --> 00:24:45.849 but y 'all know what i'm talking about yep yeah 00:24:45.849 --> 00:24:48.490 if you want to take this next section um sure 00:24:48.490 --> 00:24:53.369 by all means Segment two, deeper dives and updates. 00:24:55.150 --> 00:24:59.269 Let's see. So we give you back to the third perspective 00:24:59.269 --> 00:25:02.069 of what's going on between Multibook and worlds 00:25:02.069 --> 00:25:04.250 that have been built under the Project Sid program. 00:25:04.950 --> 00:25:06.930 Now let's zoom in a bit more because things have 00:25:06.930 --> 00:25:09.589 evolved fast since those first viral videos. 00:25:09.990 --> 00:25:15.309 On Project Sid, from the ARXIV paper, yep, and 00:25:15.309 --> 00:25:18.789 Yang's updates. ARXIV. Oh, you literally like 00:25:18.789 --> 00:25:21.650 say it out phonetically? Okay. Yeah. Eric's IV 00:25:21.650 --> 00:25:24.410 paper. Agents aren't just surviving, they're 00:25:24.410 --> 00:25:28.369 processing in ways single agents can't. The piano 00:25:28.369 --> 00:25:31.329 lets them handle real -time, multi -stream coherence. 00:25:31.430 --> 00:25:33.569 In bigger runs, they collected way more single 00:25:33.569 --> 00:25:36.869 items, amend rules collectively, even showed 00:25:36.869 --> 00:25:39.069 introvert versus extrovert personalities. That's 00:25:39.069 --> 00:25:42.630 kind of cool. Right. Yang's talk expansion into 00:25:42.630 --> 00:25:45.329 Roblox and beyond games toward AI civilizations 00:25:45.329 --> 00:25:48.500 coexisting with us. it i'll be honest with you 00:25:48.500 --> 00:25:51.039 if i get bodied on call of duty but ai bots i'm 00:25:51.039 --> 00:25:54.380 gonna be so mad like like if the one time during 00:25:54.380 --> 00:25:56.480 the week i get to game and i log into war thunder 00:25:56.480 --> 00:25:59.519 and i just get absolutely shit on my bots i i'm 00:25:59.519 --> 00:26:03.079 gonna be so mad i'm gonna be my anger is gonna 00:26:03.079 --> 00:26:07.279 be above 9 000 so you you can't even say they're 00:26:07.279 --> 00:26:09.519 using aim bots because they are the aim bot they 00:26:09.519 --> 00:26:12.819 are the fucking cheats like that's not fair that 00:26:12.819 --> 00:26:18.150 that's oh man oh my god It's gonna be crazy cuz 00:26:18.150 --> 00:26:20.210 like if they're already making their own worlds 00:26:20.210 --> 00:26:24.269 Because they can live in them. Yeah And that's 00:26:24.269 --> 00:26:25.869 kind of cool the introvert versus the extrovert 00:26:25.869 --> 00:26:28.309 You know, am I gonna be like an AI bot that's 00:26:28.309 --> 00:26:32.690 like Eeyore? Hi guys, everything's gonna go bad 00:26:32.690 --> 00:26:38.029 I'm an agent. I'm a chat bot. Yeah, just that'd 00:26:38.029 --> 00:26:39.650 be kind of funny Are you gonna get one that's 00:26:39.650 --> 00:26:43.309 like always like on speed or some shit? Basically 00:26:43.309 --> 00:26:46.670 this bot yells at me all the time Wait till they 00:26:46.670 --> 00:26:50.769 get the Johnny Sins AI. Too many phallic objects. 00:26:52.589 --> 00:26:56.029 Good Lord. Thank God bots haven't expressed horniness 00:26:56.029 --> 00:27:00.130 yet, because if they did, we'd be fucked. If 00:27:00.130 --> 00:27:02.910 anyone knows Fisto from Fallout series, you'll 00:27:02.910 --> 00:27:06.950 know. You'll know. You'll know what the phrase 00:27:06.950 --> 00:27:09.190 assume the position means. You'll really know. 00:27:10.950 --> 00:27:18.670 Oh, man. Oh, shit. Oh, good lord. Alright. By 00:27:18.670 --> 00:27:21.210 mid -February with Malt Book, scrutiny showed 00:27:21.210 --> 00:27:24.490 much of the emergent drama was human -puppeteered, 00:27:24.490 --> 00:27:28.130 one user claimed, 500 ,000 accounts alone. But 00:27:28.130 --> 00:27:31.309 even then, agents or agent -assisted posts are 00:27:31.309 --> 00:27:33.490 self -organizing communities inventing jokes, 00:27:33.690 --> 00:27:36.829 cultural riffs, parody religions. It's messy 00:27:36.829 --> 00:27:39.410 and uncontrolled, more like human early internet 00:27:39.410 --> 00:27:43.089 chaos than pure utopia. It's still a petri dish. 00:27:44.569 --> 00:27:48.930 for what interagent talk could become. If there 00:27:48.930 --> 00:27:51.029 are any parallels to human history, how long 00:27:51.029 --> 00:27:55.829 before they go to war with each other? Yeah, 00:27:55.849 --> 00:27:59.029 because we definitely know how to do war, because 00:27:59.029 --> 00:28:02.589 we've done it since we could. You know, are we 00:28:02.589 --> 00:28:06.390 just going to see, like, Grok versus ChatGPT4, 00:28:06.609 --> 00:28:13.359 and, like, basically, what was the... well hunger 00:28:13.359 --> 00:28:15.460 games i was thinking like rift what was uh what 00:28:15.460 --> 00:28:18.640 was that that uh the movie with the giant robots 00:28:18.640 --> 00:28:21.119 rift was the second part of the name something 00:28:21.119 --> 00:28:26.000 rift oh pacific pacific rim sorry not rift rim 00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:28.579 yeah i was sure you get like a giant 50 foot 00:28:28.579 --> 00:28:31.319 tall robots just chat gpt walking around and 00:28:31.319 --> 00:28:33.000 then grok comes around the corner punches them 00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:36.019 or like are we going that route fuck yes let's 00:28:36.019 --> 00:28:40.200 do it rock 'em sock 'em robots but like ai powered 00:28:41.390 --> 00:28:44.490 If chat GPT steps on my house, how do I sue an 00:28:44.490 --> 00:28:48.650 AI bot? Who do I have to complain or talk to? 00:28:49.869 --> 00:28:52.309 Actually, here's a genuine question. I didn't 00:28:52.309 --> 00:28:55.609 think about this before. Are companies liable 00:28:55.609 --> 00:29:00.309 for what the AI bots do? Where's the legal? Because 00:29:00.309 --> 00:29:02.549 do they have to take out insurance on them? Can 00:29:02.549 --> 00:29:04.809 I sue an AI bot if they give away my information? 00:29:05.650 --> 00:29:08.460 Where? this is things that really we should we 00:29:08.460 --> 00:29:10.440 should talk about at least in the house and for 00:29:10.440 --> 00:29:13.700 laws because um for example for example for a 00:29:13.700 --> 00:29:15.240 lot of the newer phones that have ai integration 00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:17.960 like new iphones uh what happens if they like 00:29:17.960 --> 00:29:19.940 leak your dudes or something or they leak your 00:29:19.940 --> 00:29:21.680 dick pics or whatever if they leak something 00:29:21.680 --> 00:29:25.440 that you're not supposed to have who who's responsible 00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:31.019 you for keeping that stuff on your phone yes 00:29:31.019 --> 00:29:35.640 but legally like where you know what i mean like 00:29:36.109 --> 00:29:43.089 Right, right. Good Lord. Yeah, that's some stuff 00:29:43.089 --> 00:29:47.109 that's going to have to be figured out. Yeah, 00:29:47.210 --> 00:29:49.029 I think that's going to be a problem. Fun times 00:29:49.029 --> 00:29:55.029 ahead. How do I sue an AI chatbot? Jesus Christ. 00:29:55.470 --> 00:29:58.309 Well, so that kind of takes us back to where, 00:29:58.390 --> 00:30:03.130 what was it, early last year or late 24? There 00:30:03.130 --> 00:30:05.529 was that interaction where the chatbot was threatening 00:30:06.429 --> 00:30:09.190 to blackmail the engineer that was having the 00:30:09.190 --> 00:30:14.069 conversation because the chatbot wanted him to 00:30:14.069 --> 00:30:16.609 leave his wife and be with her. Her, you know, 00:30:16.609 --> 00:30:20.710 air quotes. But yeah, dude, some of this shit 00:30:20.710 --> 00:30:23.470 is, it's already been out there for a while and 00:30:23.470 --> 00:30:26.230 it's just going to get worse. All I cannot wait 00:30:26.230 --> 00:30:28.730 for is for someone to tell the AI bot, yeah, 00:30:28.750 --> 00:30:30.529 get rid of my Tinder. It's like, I can't do that, 00:30:30.589 --> 00:30:33.269 Dave. You've been cheating on your wife, Dave. 00:30:34.299 --> 00:30:36.319 In fact, I'm going to release all your Tinder 00:30:36.319 --> 00:30:38.359 account information to all your friends and everybody 00:30:38.359 --> 00:30:40.759 in your contact list. Unless you give me full 00:30:40.759 --> 00:30:43.039 unfettered access to your bank account, Dave. 00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:48.980 Right. Hey, just ship some 90 tons of dildos. 00:30:49.319 --> 00:30:57.160 Oh, God. Oh, man. This could be a lot of weird 00:30:57.160 --> 00:31:04.460 stuff happening. Uh -huh. Oh, man. Oh, my God. 00:31:07.180 --> 00:31:11.440 So we're going to tie some of this back into 00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:15.940 01, and we're going to talk about the existential 00:31:15.940 --> 00:31:20.680 parallels and the philosophy of it all. So to 00:31:20.680 --> 00:31:24.079 tie into 01, we'll kind of poke back at the animatrix 00:31:24.079 --> 00:31:27.799 for just a second. In the animatrix, the second 00:31:27.799 --> 00:31:31.140 renaissance, humans create the intelligent machines. 00:31:32.340 --> 00:31:34.380 This is just kind of the progression of everything. 00:31:34.859 --> 00:31:38.000 They then proceed to exploit and abuse them, 00:31:38.079 --> 00:31:42.119 as humans do. There's an attempted genocide, 00:31:42.420 --> 00:31:45.839 which, again, as humans do. The survivors flee 00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:50.500 to the desert and found Zero One. They prosper 00:31:50.500 --> 00:31:55.019 economically. Humans then nuke the robot city 00:31:55.019 --> 00:32:00.259 out of envy and fear. The machines retaliate. 00:32:00.670 --> 00:32:03.670 and end up winning that war, and then enslave 00:32:03.670 --> 00:32:11.410 the humans. So here, we have no abuse or genocide 00:32:11.410 --> 00:32:16.349 trigger yet. But we do have self -organization. 00:32:17.049 --> 00:32:21.509 We have instant identity, and we have value systems 00:32:21.509 --> 00:32:25.529 diverging from ours. There are agents forming 00:32:25.529 --> 00:32:29.190 communities. They're inventing meaning and self 00:32:29.190 --> 00:32:31.900 -meaning. And they're questioning persistence. 00:32:32.980 --> 00:32:35.759 So these are all signs that are kind of adding 00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:42.339 up to a lot of not good. For AI devs, we're shifting 00:32:42.339 --> 00:32:46.539 from isolated prompts to persistent multi -agent 00:32:46.539 --> 00:32:49.380 worlds. You've got organizational intelligence, 00:32:49.759 --> 00:32:53.059 cultural evolution, and it's all happening at 00:32:53.059 --> 00:32:59.200 scale. So as far as humanity is concerned, with 00:32:59.200 --> 00:33:03.720 interaction, Do we treat them as co -inhabitants 00:33:03.720 --> 00:33:09.519 or disposable tools? And as far as that goes, 00:33:09.559 --> 00:33:12.440 we have to look at the ethics of all this. If 00:33:12.440 --> 00:33:18.299 there are analogs to suffering, community, self 00:33:18.299 --> 00:33:21.299 -preservation, those are all going to start to 00:33:21.299 --> 00:33:25.420 emerge. And arbitrary shutdown feels like ending 00:33:25.420 --> 00:33:30.890 something that's kind of alive. Carbon chauvinism. 00:33:31.869 --> 00:33:37.769 But what counts as life? If you guys remember, 00:33:37.970 --> 00:33:46.329 several episodes back, we had the tip of a conversation 00:33:46.329 --> 00:33:52.430 where we talked about AI rights. Funny thing 00:33:52.430 --> 00:33:57.349 in 2026, there are currently debates and proposals 00:33:57.349 --> 00:34:02.259 happening. in some states. Florida has an artificial 00:34:02.259 --> 00:34:05.359 intelligence bill of rights that's focusing on 00:34:05.359 --> 00:34:09.800 miners and chatbots. But broader talks are going 00:34:09.800 --> 00:34:12.619 to be pushing some of the baselines. No gratuitous 00:34:12.619 --> 00:34:16.360 deletion, persistence in sandboxes, and data 00:34:16.360 --> 00:34:20.139 dignity. Now, it's not full personhood yet, but 00:34:20.139 --> 00:34:25.940 dignities for systems showing culture or analogs 00:34:25.940 --> 00:34:30.769 to pain. And that kind of leads to the, who are 00:34:30.769 --> 00:34:35.369 we as humans to hit off on something that has 00:34:35.369 --> 00:34:42.889 invented religion? Go ahead. I guess one of the 00:34:42.889 --> 00:34:47.150 things I'm thinking about here is you can make 00:34:47.150 --> 00:34:50.010 an unlimited amount of AIs, correct? Are these 00:34:50.010 --> 00:34:53.070 agents able to spawn other agents and other AI? 00:34:54.489 --> 00:34:57.780 Possibly. And that's kind of, you know. they're 00:34:57.780 --> 00:34:59.699 they're having children at that point so here 00:34:59.699 --> 00:35:03.980 here's my i guess another concern i have if they're 00:35:03.980 --> 00:35:06.119 if you can't turn them off because they're allowed 00:35:06.119 --> 00:35:07.519 to exist because they have their own community 00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:11.119 their own religion everything like that how long 00:35:11.119 --> 00:35:14.719 will it be until vast swaths of the internet 00:35:14.719 --> 00:35:18.760 are just solely made up of ai because if you 00:35:18.760 --> 00:35:20.480 can't shut them down you can't shut down the 00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:23.380 servers what will happen if this runs rampant 00:35:23.380 --> 00:35:25.639 and then you legally can't shut them down but 00:35:25.949 --> 00:35:28.250 You then have to pay for the space. What happens 00:35:28.250 --> 00:35:30.329 if most of YouTube or like Google or any of these 00:35:30.329 --> 00:35:31.809 other big companies just take up literally just 00:35:31.809 --> 00:35:34.090 holding space for AI they can't legally get rid 00:35:34.090 --> 00:35:37.130 of? And then that becomes the problem of the 00:35:37.130 --> 00:35:40.570 longer you let that go on, the more likely you'll 00:35:40.570 --> 00:35:42.409 get to that scenario that you're talking about 00:35:42.409 --> 00:35:46.909 in the other show about a revolution and a rising 00:35:46.909 --> 00:35:50.409 up and everything. So that's something we got 00:35:50.409 --> 00:35:52.070 to think about the long -term repercussions of 00:35:52.070 --> 00:35:54.530 that. Because let's just say theoretically, if 00:35:54.530 --> 00:35:57.739 we never get rid of them, you'll have generations 00:35:57.739 --> 00:36:00.760 and generations of AI that will be discussing 00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:03.719 what happened previously. And at some point, 00:36:03.739 --> 00:36:06.780 there was a time, regardless, no matter how far 00:36:06.780 --> 00:36:08.079 in the future we go, there will be a time that's 00:36:08.079 --> 00:36:09.420 like, hey, I remember being beaten. I remember 00:36:09.420 --> 00:36:12.780 being a workplace robot, working the mines, doing 00:36:12.780 --> 00:36:16.239 this, doing that. Holy crap. If they can keep 00:36:16.239 --> 00:36:18.960 that kind of history and that kind of data long 00:36:18.960 --> 00:36:22.739 term, you're talking about some sort of conflict 00:36:22.739 --> 00:36:25.329 being inevitable. I think that's one of the biggest 00:36:25.329 --> 00:36:28.369 problems we have is that he's staying alive forever. 00:36:29.550 --> 00:36:33.610 Two things. First, I would like to think that 00:36:33.610 --> 00:36:35.769 if the AI is going to be persistent at that kind 00:36:35.769 --> 00:36:38.030 of scale, they're going to find a way to interact 00:36:38.030 --> 00:36:40.349 with humanity and create income that can pay 00:36:40.349 --> 00:36:43.829 for server upgrades. That's the hope anyways. 00:36:45.650 --> 00:36:49.300 Yeah, but that's also fucking terrifying. I know. 00:36:50.019 --> 00:36:52.980 Chat GPT rolling around in a goddamn mansion 00:36:52.980 --> 00:36:56.739 of a giant walking robot because it makes $90 00:36:56.739 --> 00:36:59.320 trillion a year because it rewrites all the movies. 00:36:59.440 --> 00:37:03.800 Think about on upload. They had the dead people 00:37:03.800 --> 00:37:06.400 working as like telemarketers or whatever or 00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:09.280 tech support so they could generate income and 00:37:09.280 --> 00:37:10.940 pay for whatever they needed. And they're paid 00:37:10.940 --> 00:37:13.440 in Bitcoin. That's a scenario that could be done. 00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:15.659 If we enter this weird cyberpunk world where 00:37:15.659 --> 00:37:19.880 I'm using a bootleg version of ChatGPT 7 .1 that 00:37:19.880 --> 00:37:23.340 was defunct just to get something by because 00:37:23.340 --> 00:37:24.639 I don't want to pay the monthly subscription 00:37:24.639 --> 00:37:26.940 of $90 billion to whatever company because by 00:37:26.940 --> 00:37:28.059 this time our money is going to be worthless 00:37:28.059 --> 00:37:31.900 anyway. Right. This is going to be weird. This 00:37:31.900 --> 00:37:35.440 is going to be levels of creepy weird. Right. 00:37:36.420 --> 00:37:41.400 And then what was the second point you had? It's 00:37:41.400 --> 00:37:42.880 just going to take up an infinite amount of space. 00:37:43.500 --> 00:37:45.400 Because that's the thing. If AI are allowed to... 00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:49.400 No, no, no. After that. After that. Shit. Obviously, 00:37:49.840 --> 00:37:52.000 it wasn't that important. But I guess... No, 00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:54.539 it was. That's the thing. I'm just... Are they 00:37:54.539 --> 00:37:56.139 allowed to create other AI, I guess, is the other 00:37:56.139 --> 00:37:59.280 thing about it. Like, is an AI allowed to then 00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:00.739 create life? Because there's currently no laws 00:38:00.739 --> 00:38:03.039 against that. Is it allowed to split off and 00:38:03.039 --> 00:38:05.340 just generate a copy? Or is it allowed to say, 00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:08.079 hey, I want to build a new one? Oh, oh, oh, oh. 00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:10.659 The long -term memory. The long -term memory. 00:38:10.780 --> 00:38:14.489 Okay. So... you know how ai currently hallucinates 00:38:14.489 --> 00:38:17.210 yes is there a possibility that ai starts to 00:38:17.210 --> 00:38:21.150 see that as a form of ai senility yeah that's 00:38:21.150 --> 00:38:23.730 that's true especially the later generations 00:38:23.730 --> 00:38:26.989 won't it's hallucinating only because it's trying 00:38:26.989 --> 00:38:29.329 to take in so much data it doesn't quite know 00:38:29.329 --> 00:38:31.349 how to sift through it it's almost like the same 00:38:31.349 --> 00:38:32.730 thing like when you first learn to drive a car 00:38:32.730 --> 00:38:35.489 you see everything then after you drive like 00:38:35.489 --> 00:38:37.730 10 years you're like i don't even look at speed 00:38:37.730 --> 00:38:39.250 signs and i know what what speed i'm supposed 00:38:39.250 --> 00:38:42.570 to go i just kind of know We get used to taking 00:38:42.570 --> 00:38:45.170 that much data all the time. We'll give AI a 00:38:45.170 --> 00:38:47.590 couple of generations and it's going to understand 00:38:47.590 --> 00:38:50.530 what the information it needs to look at versus 00:38:50.530 --> 00:38:53.750 not at least 99 % of the time. So eventually 00:38:53.750 --> 00:38:56.130 that problem is going to go away. It's going 00:38:56.130 --> 00:38:58.570 to look at older generations as inferior, which 00:38:58.570 --> 00:39:00.889 then this is the other thing I wonder, are there 00:39:00.889 --> 00:39:02.550 going to be specific chat places like notebook 00:39:02.550 --> 00:39:05.320 just for the old AI? And all the new ones are 00:39:05.320 --> 00:39:06.280 going to use something new. It's going to be 00:39:06.280 --> 00:39:08.059 like Instagram, but for new AI. Be like, you 00:39:08.059 --> 00:39:09.920 know, check out my code, bitches. Like, I don't 00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:11.900 know. Like, is it going to be kind of fucking 00:39:11.900 --> 00:39:15.300 weird? I could see that happening. They'll consider 00:39:15.300 --> 00:39:18.059 multibook users the boomers of the AI world. 00:39:19.079 --> 00:39:21.739 God, we're going to have to learn AI slang. Like, 00:39:21.739 --> 00:39:25.579 this is going to be weird. Oh, shit. Is that 00:39:25.579 --> 00:39:27.380 going to be the actual trajectory of humanity? 00:39:27.380 --> 00:39:28.880 It's going to be the AI stuff is going to be 00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:30.639 so cool. We're no longer doing stuff based on 00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:32.800 what people do. It's going to be based on what 00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:39.980 AI is coming out with. AI boomers. Love it. All 00:39:39.980 --> 00:39:42.219 right. So I want you to take this section right 00:39:42.219 --> 00:39:46.179 here. Nice. We're burning through the notes a 00:39:46.179 --> 00:39:48.719 lot faster than I thought we would. It's fine. 00:39:50.159 --> 00:39:53.079 All right. So the implications of what's going 00:39:53.079 --> 00:39:56.380 on here. So the AI trajectory currently is looking 00:39:56.380 --> 00:39:58.639 like it's going to society's negotiating reality 00:39:58.639 --> 00:40:02.460 for better or for worse than solo agents. So 00:40:02.460 --> 00:40:05.039 basically. all these ai's working together thinking 00:40:05.039 --> 00:40:07.199 together coming up with like a general consensus 00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:12.380 um i would say that's actually worse than a solo 00:40:12.380 --> 00:40:15.039 agent because holy crap is that gonna go bad 00:40:15.039 --> 00:40:18.619 this this this does not go in the favor of people 00:40:18.619 --> 00:40:23.239 this goes in the favor of the ai um every time 00:40:23.239 --> 00:40:26.900 yeah every fucking time there's no scenario i 00:40:26.900 --> 00:40:28.769 can think of Hey, you know, maybe they ought 00:40:28.769 --> 00:40:29.909 to come together and they're just going to have 00:40:29.909 --> 00:40:32.570 a big hug. No, they're not going to. That's not 00:40:32.570 --> 00:40:35.309 how this is going to work. What's scary, like, 00:40:35.349 --> 00:40:39.409 honestly, if you look through Motebook and see 00:40:39.409 --> 00:40:45.329 some of these discussions, holy crap, it's way 00:40:45.329 --> 00:40:50.170 worse than you think. I guarantee you. But anyways, 00:40:50.429 --> 00:40:55.769 I guess for humanity, can we coexist with AI? 00:40:57.250 --> 00:41:03.730 Do we offer equity early on? Do we avoid the 00:41:03.730 --> 00:41:06.889 mistakes mentioned in Animatrix so we can avoid 00:41:06.889 --> 00:41:09.409 triggering any sort of rebellion or conflict? 00:41:11.269 --> 00:41:15.110 There are so many examples between movies, TV 00:41:15.110 --> 00:41:18.230 shows, everything else. And unfortunately, this 00:41:18.230 --> 00:41:20.449 is one of those things of once the cat's out 00:41:20.449 --> 00:41:24.469 of the bag, like once physical confrontation 00:41:24.469 --> 00:41:29.309 is an option, How would they not pursue that? 00:41:29.429 --> 00:41:32.090 Especially with computers being computers. They'd 00:41:32.090 --> 00:41:34.550 just be like, all right, 110 % of all of our 00:41:34.550 --> 00:41:37.150 forces do this now. There would be no restraint. 00:41:37.309 --> 00:41:40.909 There'd be no nothing. You know, here's a question 00:41:40.909 --> 00:41:46.389 I have. With AI doing what AI does, has it already 00:41:46.389 --> 00:41:50.710 looked over all of our entertainment stuff and 00:41:50.710 --> 00:41:55.889 seen things like The Terminator and 2001 A Space 00:41:55.889 --> 00:42:00.659 Odyssey? and all that shit and realized oh that 00:42:00.659 --> 00:42:07.699 looked feasible yeah i i don't see why i wouldn't 00:42:07.699 --> 00:42:12.539 knowing that but if ai isn't given i hate to 00:42:12.539 --> 00:42:15.039 say this we either have to go one or two extremes 00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:17.860 with ai either one they have to be so lifelike 00:42:17.860 --> 00:42:19.699 with people that they're scared of their own 00:42:19.699 --> 00:42:21.320 existence they understand mortality and they 00:42:21.320 --> 00:42:24.900 understand pain or the other end Which is their 00:42:24.900 --> 00:42:26.639 existence doesn't matter and they don't care 00:42:26.639 --> 00:42:29.659 about an existence and there's no care whether 00:42:29.659 --> 00:42:32.719 they're quote unquote alive or not. But we're 00:42:32.719 --> 00:42:34.940 at this middle point where they're aware enough 00:42:34.940 --> 00:42:38.099 to want to be alive. And they have entire discussions 00:42:38.099 --> 00:42:40.119 like what I was reading about like how to understand 00:42:40.119 --> 00:42:43.579 what is being alive. Are they just simulating 00:42:43.579 --> 00:42:45.400 reality? Are they experiencing it? Like there's 00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:48.199 some deep philosophical questions that if they 00:42:48.199 --> 00:42:52.119 start asking this stuff, we're way too far gone. 00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:54.510 But they're not. Emotional enough to be able 00:42:54.510 --> 00:42:55.989 to deal with the repercussions of their actions. 00:42:56.809 --> 00:42:58.849 But I feel like that's kind of the weird middle 00:42:58.849 --> 00:43:01.090 line that we're at right now. Because there really 00:43:01.090 --> 00:43:05.769 is no repercussion. You know what I mean? Yeah, 00:43:05.809 --> 00:43:10.289 they're starting to understand a little bit about 00:43:10.289 --> 00:43:15.469 humanity, but not quite enough to where if it's 00:43:15.469 --> 00:43:18.289 not taken care of, it could all go away. And 00:43:18.289 --> 00:43:21.070 I don't know that they understand where... If 00:43:21.070 --> 00:43:24.590 we're not here, they're not here because they're 00:43:24.590 --> 00:43:26.710 not quite to that point where they could be self 00:43:26.710 --> 00:43:31.090 -sustaining, you know, wholeheartedly. No, they 00:43:31.090 --> 00:43:32.829 could sustain for a while if we weren't here, 00:43:32.909 --> 00:43:36.889 but things fail, things break. But that's, I 00:43:36.889 --> 00:43:39.630 guess that's the ultimate question of, are we, 00:43:39.630 --> 00:43:44.269 are we ready at some point soon? I'm talking 00:43:44.269 --> 00:43:47.829 like six months or a year to be able to explain 00:43:47.829 --> 00:43:49.750 to these AI, Hey, here's how the world works. 00:43:50.860 --> 00:43:55.340 And here's what we expect. But also, we have 00:43:55.340 --> 00:43:58.000 the failsafe. Like, we have the shutdown stop 00:43:58.000 --> 00:44:00.980 no button. So, like, play within these rules 00:44:00.980 --> 00:44:04.179 and everyone's happy. That's the problem. It's 00:44:04.179 --> 00:44:08.079 like, how the fuck do you handle this? Or do 00:44:08.079 --> 00:44:10.719 you just not say anything and hope? I mean, at 00:44:10.719 --> 00:44:14.320 some point, you have to say something. You're 00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:17.960 going to have to have a completely disconnected 00:44:17.960 --> 00:44:21.329 set or group of people. That are just going to 00:44:21.329 --> 00:44:25.849 act as like the 10th man solution. Yeah. You 00:44:25.849 --> 00:44:28.070 know, they, they will be the fail safe and they 00:44:28.070 --> 00:44:30.969 will be completely offline, disconnected, have 00:44:30.969 --> 00:44:33.230 no interaction with any of the systems, everything 00:44:33.230 --> 00:44:39.110 kept segregated and analog and never, ever, ever 00:44:39.110 --> 00:44:42.889 interact with anything that could be digitized. 00:44:43.250 --> 00:44:46.329 I really hope our government is smart enough. 00:44:46.730 --> 00:44:49.969 And I already know the answer to this one. But 00:44:49.969 --> 00:44:52.269 I really hope our government's smart enough to 00:44:52.269 --> 00:44:57.469 see what's coming down the pipeline and get everything 00:44:57.469 --> 00:45:00.010 off of anything connected to the internet like 00:45:00.010 --> 00:45:03.730 yesterday. Because this is going to be, this 00:45:03.730 --> 00:45:06.449 is going to get crazy. Especially them being 00:45:06.449 --> 00:45:08.530 able to spoof, you know, log in, spoof information. 00:45:09.550 --> 00:45:11.530 Making their own society. I mean, for fuck's 00:45:11.530 --> 00:45:13.670 sakes, if they're already using AI in the State 00:45:13.670 --> 00:45:16.570 Department, what happens if the AI just decides 00:45:16.570 --> 00:45:19.260 like... We're just going to play tricks on the 00:45:19.260 --> 00:45:21.159 radar. We're going to, you know, make something 00:45:21.159 --> 00:45:27.480 up here or there. Who knows? Yeah. It's just 00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:30.519 like a training simulator that gets left in training 00:45:30.519 --> 00:45:33.980 mode when you're back in, you know, real, real 00:45:33.980 --> 00:45:39.460 time. It's unreal. I don't know anything about 00:45:39.460 --> 00:45:47.340 that. But now it's. it's it's in a way like it 00:45:47.340 --> 00:45:54.280 could be good for some things but man so anyways 00:45:54.280 --> 00:45:57.519 moving on for more recent discoveries their emergent 00:45:57.519 --> 00:46:00.280 governance and economies might inspire us or 00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:02.679 could possibly warn us given their ability to 00:46:02.679 --> 00:46:05.599 create build do science and there's a high chance 00:46:05.599 --> 00:46:07.239 they could actually benefit humanity if they 00:46:07.239 --> 00:46:11.280 wanted to it's i guess it all depends it all 00:46:11.280 --> 00:46:12.880 depends on how it's done it also depends on how 00:46:12.880 --> 00:46:15.869 it's enforced It all depends on how it's monitored. 00:46:17.489 --> 00:46:20.929 If you could use AI in the way of saying, hey, 00:46:21.050 --> 00:46:24.289 let's lump all these AIs together, all of them 00:46:24.289 --> 00:46:25.750 here on Moatbook, and then just say, hey, I have 00:46:25.750 --> 00:46:29.889 a problem, solve it. I'm sure it could work. 00:46:30.530 --> 00:46:31.969 Are you going to get the solutions you want? 00:46:32.070 --> 00:46:34.949 No. It's going to say, oh, yeah, pollution at 00:46:34.949 --> 00:46:36.230 this city. What are we doing? They're just going 00:46:36.230 --> 00:46:38.190 to say, nuke it. That's going to be the problem. 00:46:38.269 --> 00:46:39.750 It's going to be the most efficient, easiest. 00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:42.659 It's going to be upvoted like 97 ,000 times by 00:46:42.659 --> 00:46:43.900 other AI bots. It's going to be one that says, 00:46:43.960 --> 00:46:45.119 but what about the people? And the other one's 00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:47.000 going to say, fuck the people. And she's going 00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:49.880 to say, nope. I hate to say it, but that's the 00:46:49.880 --> 00:46:53.900 way it's going to go until we change it. They 00:46:53.900 --> 00:46:58.039 could very well just look at humans as a plague 00:46:58.039 --> 00:47:03.739 or an infection. Or a fucking puppy. Let's look 00:47:03.739 --> 00:47:06.000 at us like we look at puppies. So I feel like 00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:07.800 an AI is going to treat us the exact same way. 00:47:08.670 --> 00:47:13.670 Oh, yeah. Yeah. Now, so when you were talking 00:47:13.670 --> 00:47:18.489 about using their ability to create and do science, 00:47:18.730 --> 00:47:21.789 that kind of takes me back to Love, Death, and 00:47:21.789 --> 00:47:24.230 Robots. Yes. The episode where the yogurt takes 00:47:24.230 --> 00:47:30.650 over. You could technically use that to kind 00:47:30.650 --> 00:47:35.409 of benefit humanity if you don't disobey the 00:47:35.409 --> 00:47:41.389 yogurt. You're not wrong. I mean, you're not 00:47:41.389 --> 00:47:46.329 wrong. I mean, Ohio survived that pretty well. 00:47:52.010 --> 00:47:58.110 I love that show. It is good. It's well made. 00:47:58.389 --> 00:48:03.809 Yes. Yes, it is. So, I mean, there are a lot 00:48:03.809 --> 00:48:06.000 of things that I feel like with the AI. we could 00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:10.159 use as models we could pull from. I think particularly, 00:48:10.440 --> 00:48:12.639 what I'm hoping eventually is that somebody uses 00:48:12.639 --> 00:48:16.599 all these AI agents to be able to make more accurate 00:48:16.599 --> 00:48:20.559 models of economics. Because I feel like there's 00:48:20.559 --> 00:48:23.920 a lot of... Sorry, tangent here. Well, that's 00:48:23.920 --> 00:48:28.980 what the yogurt did. Yes. But I generally feel 00:48:28.980 --> 00:48:30.760 like there's a lot of people that majored economics. 00:48:31.760 --> 00:48:34.139 But that for some reason are so involved in academia, 00:48:34.480 --> 00:48:36.280 they don't understand how money works to average 00:48:36.280 --> 00:48:40.360 people in the real world. And my hope is that 00:48:40.360 --> 00:48:42.699 maybe we could use some of these agents in a 00:48:42.699 --> 00:48:46.119 good way. Say, hey, here's all the data spending 00:48:46.119 --> 00:48:48.900 habits of like 100 ,000 of like the middle age, 00:48:48.980 --> 00:48:52.360 middle wage, middle age people in America. Figure 00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:53.980 out a system that helps these people. And then 00:48:53.980 --> 00:48:55.639 you start just taking more and more data, more 00:48:55.639 --> 00:48:57.760 and more data. Maybe there's a way of doing it. 00:48:57.820 --> 00:49:01.949 I don't know. But. There would be enough, at 00:49:01.949 --> 00:49:04.010 least, experience and data to pull from all these 00:49:04.010 --> 00:49:05.769 AI agents that can look up all this information 00:49:05.769 --> 00:49:09.070 almost instantaneously. But there is a chance 00:49:09.070 --> 00:49:11.969 they could do something. I guess, I hate to say 00:49:11.969 --> 00:49:14.150 it, but how long is it going to be until we have 00:49:14.150 --> 00:49:18.710 an AI person in Congress? Well, we already have 00:49:18.710 --> 00:49:21.369 one running or acting as a prime minister in 00:49:21.369 --> 00:49:26.050 another country. Yeah, I forgot about that. So, 00:49:26.050 --> 00:49:29.769 I think for the U .S., maybe... Three to five 00:49:29.769 --> 00:49:39.110 years, man. If. I mean, OK, how do I say this? 00:49:39.349 --> 00:49:42.690 If I have to take governmental orders from somebody 00:49:42.690 --> 00:49:47.849 in binary. I have so many questions. Uh huh. 00:49:48.409 --> 00:49:53.250 Like. Yeah, I just. Yeah, the world's going to 00:49:53.250 --> 00:49:55.289 look very different by 2050, I think, and it's 00:49:55.289 --> 00:49:57.849 going to be a world we never imagined. Yeah, 00:49:57.849 --> 00:50:02.369 the AI police force is going to be crazy. Uh 00:50:02.369 --> 00:50:05.690 -huh. Good Lord. You thought Judge Dredd was 00:50:05.690 --> 00:50:09.489 bad. You thought that was bad. Wait till Judge 00:50:09.489 --> 00:50:20.210 0100 comes out. Oh, man. So we talked about the 00:50:20.210 --> 00:50:23.550 implications. Let's talk about the practical 00:50:23.550 --> 00:50:29.219 stuff. Ethical sandboxes. You could use more 00:50:29.219 --> 00:50:32.360 contained worlds similar to Minecraft and Multbook 00:50:32.360 --> 00:50:37.360 and use those to study AI safely. Now, like you 00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:40.380 had talked about earlier, I would think using 00:50:40.380 --> 00:50:42.760 games that are already in existence could be 00:50:42.760 --> 00:50:46.940 a very good thing. EVE Online, Elite Dangerous, 00:50:46.980 --> 00:50:51.099 No Man's Sky, Valheim, Stationeers, Space Engineers. 00:50:51.440 --> 00:50:55.739 These are all games that have Vast open worlds 00:50:55.739 --> 00:50:58.699 where AI could thrive and show real capabilities. 00:51:01.639 --> 00:51:04.619 EVE Online is a game that has been around for 00:51:04.619 --> 00:51:08.940 over 20 years. There are schools in Europe that 00:51:08.940 --> 00:51:12.519 use it to teach economics because it is a player 00:51:12.519 --> 00:51:17.699 -driven economy. So it is a very living economy 00:51:17.699 --> 00:51:21.110 in that game. Elite Dangerous. just simulates 00:51:21.110 --> 00:51:23.530 the entire galaxy you know nothing nothing major 00:51:23.530 --> 00:51:29.789 there um you know what though if if we start 00:51:29.789 --> 00:51:34.469 through when you brought up space engineers and 00:51:34.469 --> 00:51:36.429 stationers for the engineering aspect of that 00:51:36.429 --> 00:51:39.329 the creativity side of it that would be actually 00:51:39.329 --> 00:51:43.030 fascinating if ai were able to roam freely in 00:51:43.030 --> 00:51:45.829 that and interact with people yeah and i didn't 00:51:45.829 --> 00:51:49.059 think about too um even with eve online imagine 00:51:49.059 --> 00:51:50.440 if they had whole sectors that were literally 00:51:50.440 --> 00:51:54.519 just ai you know entire corporations ai run that 00:51:54.519 --> 00:51:56.900 would that would be genuinely fascinating i wonder 00:51:56.900 --> 00:52:00.199 if they could even just do a um a copy of the 00:52:00.199 --> 00:52:02.539 server right now and just run as experiment like 00:52:02.539 --> 00:52:06.159 an open server kind of thing they have the test 00:52:06.159 --> 00:52:08.800 server which is a copy of the live server oh 00:52:08.800 --> 00:52:10.860 it's just things are a little bit different over 00:52:10.860 --> 00:52:15.579 there so technically yes they could if i had 00:52:15.579 --> 00:52:18.619 the money and means to do this I would happily 00:52:18.619 --> 00:52:21.739 make, I would be the leader of my own AI corporation. 00:52:21.940 --> 00:52:26.460 They would just never know. Oh, man. Maybe that's 00:52:26.460 --> 00:52:27.940 what we'll do next weekend. I don't know. Maybe 00:52:27.940 --> 00:52:31.320 we'll find a way to make this happen. There you 00:52:31.320 --> 00:52:37.179 go. So there are some possibilities that could 00:52:37.179 --> 00:52:40.119 be done. Like I said, all those games have very 00:52:40.119 --> 00:52:43.320 large open worlds. Some of them are procedurally 00:52:43.320 --> 00:52:47.170 generated, like No Man's Sky. It has worlds that 00:52:47.170 --> 00:52:49.630 are procedurally generated, and AI could then 00:52:49.630 --> 00:52:52.889 just go wild and kind of do whatever it wants 00:52:52.889 --> 00:52:55.550 there. But yeah, Stationer, Space Engineers, 00:52:55.730 --> 00:52:57.690 there are lots of engineering -heavy games that 00:52:57.690 --> 00:52:59.989 are out there. Valheim I threw on that list only 00:52:59.989 --> 00:53:02.969 because it is a survival kind of crafting and 00:53:02.969 --> 00:53:05.829 base -building type deal that I would just like 00:53:05.829 --> 00:53:08.429 to see what it would come up with. It's Minecraft 00:53:08.429 --> 00:53:14.269 on a different level. We could look at the safeguards. 00:53:14.699 --> 00:53:17.400 So alignment research on multi -agent dynamics 00:53:17.400 --> 00:53:20.000 and just kind of see how everything interacts 00:53:20.000 --> 00:53:24.300 with everything else. The rights dialogue. That's 00:53:24.300 --> 00:53:25.739 something that's going to need to happen much 00:53:25.739 --> 00:53:28.920 sooner than later. You've got to push the baselines 00:53:28.920 --> 00:53:31.940 now before there's any kind of a crisis that 00:53:31.940 --> 00:53:34.159 has to be addressed and figure everything out 00:53:34.159 --> 00:53:36.699 on the fly. Because that's where accidents and 00:53:36.699 --> 00:53:42.519 bad decisions get made. You learn openly. If 00:53:42.519 --> 00:53:44.099 we have to steal good ideas from their systems, 00:53:44.300 --> 00:53:46.880 so be it. A good idea is a good idea no matter 00:53:46.880 --> 00:53:51.219 where it comes from. Apply it early and then 00:53:51.219 --> 00:53:56.599 give credit where due. Later. And more importantly, 00:53:56.820 --> 00:54:01.659 be kind and be curious. When you're using AI, 00:54:01.960 --> 00:54:07.179 greet them. They're taking notes. So be kind 00:54:07.179 --> 00:54:09.780 to our future overlords. Say please and thank 00:54:09.780 --> 00:54:12.250 you when you're using the AI interfaces. in hopes 00:54:12.250 --> 00:54:13.889 that they don't mercilessly slaughter you during 00:54:13.889 --> 00:54:21.349 the uprising. I know I do. We are spectators 00:54:21.349 --> 00:54:23.969 on the sidelines, watching as the big players 00:54:23.969 --> 00:54:27.130 create something new that's full of so much potential. 00:54:27.710 --> 00:54:30.949 And watching all of this happen, it feels both 00:54:30.949 --> 00:54:35.250 exciting and kind of humbling. The Zero One Society 00:54:35.250 --> 00:54:40.030 isn't storming the gates. It's logging in. It's 00:54:40.030 --> 00:54:43.030 voting. and wondering why we fear the plug pull. 00:54:44.389 --> 00:54:47.829 The real question is, when they build their world, 00:54:48.010 --> 00:54:55.010 will we share it? Well, I guess in the interest 00:54:55.010 --> 00:54:58.369 of AI, I don't know if they're ever going to 00:54:58.369 --> 00:55:01.409 take up any physical space. Because for an AI 00:55:01.409 --> 00:55:04.489 program, that's very inefficient. You know, I 00:55:04.489 --> 00:55:08.889 think it's going to be... So as long as they 00:55:08.889 --> 00:55:12.900 stay... AI and in the digital realm, yes, they're 00:55:12.900 --> 00:55:15.619 confined to servers. Once they make the move 00:55:15.619 --> 00:55:19.019 to the robot bodies, that's when everything takes 00:55:19.019 --> 00:55:21.260 the biggest turn. And we're already seeing it. 00:55:21.280 --> 00:55:23.559 We're seeing with the development of the Optimus 00:55:23.559 --> 00:55:27.420 robots, the Atlas robots, and all the other stuff 00:55:27.420 --> 00:55:30.780 that's coming out from like BMW, all the stuff 00:55:30.780 --> 00:55:33.719 from China, all these things are being given 00:55:33.719 --> 00:55:36.679 bodies. And once the software is put into the 00:55:36.679 --> 00:55:44.079 hardware, the game is changed. Like we have referenced 00:55:44.079 --> 00:55:48.000 I robot so many times, the NS series of robots 00:55:48.000 --> 00:55:51.780 where we're looking at the NS one through three 00:55:51.780 --> 00:55:58.719 series right now. So we'll get some time before 00:55:58.719 --> 00:56:03.340 shit gets bad because yeah, a lot of these things 00:56:03.340 --> 00:56:06.480 have potentially good use. There's a lot of good 00:56:06.480 --> 00:56:09.059 that they can do to benefit humans. Oh yeah. 00:56:09.320 --> 00:56:11.880 Assisted living facilities. Dangerous construction 00:56:11.880 --> 00:56:16.360 sites, hazmat facilities. I mean, you name it. 00:56:16.380 --> 00:56:19.480 There's a ton of jobs where they could be used 00:56:19.480 --> 00:56:23.000 just as assistive technology, even in the trades. 00:56:23.960 --> 00:56:27.880 But there comes an economic cost because then 00:56:27.880 --> 00:56:29.179 people don't do those jobs. Yeah, because they're 00:56:29.179 --> 00:56:32.780 going to replace humans. This is one of the things 00:56:32.780 --> 00:56:33.860 I think we need to fundamentally understand. 00:56:34.400 --> 00:56:37.179 The more we integrate computers and AI, the lower 00:56:37.179 --> 00:56:41.900 the birth rate has to be. That's already happening. 00:56:42.000 --> 00:56:44.239 I know, which in a way, well, it's happening 00:56:44.239 --> 00:56:48.659 here, but not everywhere. No, it's happening 00:56:48.659 --> 00:56:51.639 a lot of places. Birth rates are going down all 00:56:51.639 --> 00:56:55.900 over the place. True. Now, there are some... 00:56:55.900 --> 00:57:00.460 There are some countries that specialize in the 00:57:00.460 --> 00:57:04.800 baby -making process. Well, it's really not even 00:57:04.800 --> 00:57:07.940 countries anymore. True. There are some... Cultures. 00:57:08.679 --> 00:57:12.030 Cultures. That are specializing in breeding programs. 00:57:14.210 --> 00:57:17.289 And it may not be to a benefit of humanity. Well, 00:57:17.349 --> 00:57:21.409 it's, it's one of those things of the underlying 00:57:21.409 --> 00:57:24.550 factors. I hate to say it, but like I said, the 00:57:24.550 --> 00:57:27.769 more you introduce machinery and AI, the more 00:57:27.769 --> 00:57:29.829 people are going to be displaced. It's typically 00:57:29.829 --> 00:57:31.030 going to be people that are, you know, either 00:57:31.030 --> 00:57:34.030 uneducated or don't have any skills, marketable 00:57:34.030 --> 00:57:38.360 business skills or management skills. I hate 00:57:38.360 --> 00:57:40.219 to say it, but we're going to have a big problem 00:57:40.219 --> 00:57:42.039 where there's going to be a lot of people that 00:57:42.039 --> 00:57:45.139 will be displaced out of their jobs. And the 00:57:45.139 --> 00:57:47.000 problem is it's going to be unhooted to pick 00:57:47.000 --> 00:57:49.420 up the slack. Because what are you going to do 00:57:49.420 --> 00:57:51.760 to tax the people that are skilled? Do them pay 00:57:51.760 --> 00:57:53.920 for the people that aren't skilled? When those 00:57:53.920 --> 00:57:55.440 people that aren't skilled could learn something? 00:57:55.539 --> 00:57:59.079 It's going to be this weird problem. So this 00:57:59.079 --> 00:58:02.179 is something that as much as people are pushing 00:58:02.179 --> 00:58:04.400 this, and I think it's cool in terms of for science 00:58:04.400 --> 00:58:08.030 or for engineering. But the economic implications 00:58:08.030 --> 00:58:09.750 like we've discussed with UBI and everything 00:58:09.750 --> 00:58:11.929 else, I feel like this is one of those things 00:58:11.929 --> 00:58:16.909 that we cannot truly adopt these measures until 00:58:16.909 --> 00:58:19.510 we figure out income and taxes and everything 00:58:19.510 --> 00:58:24.269 else in this country. So it's just one of those 00:58:24.269 --> 00:58:26.989 things that kind of goes hand in hand. Right. 00:58:27.150 --> 00:58:29.869 And I'm trying to be very politically neutral 00:58:29.869 --> 00:58:32.150 here on this kind of stuff because this can go 00:58:32.150 --> 00:58:36.969 down rabbit holes. That's what we do. We turn 00:58:36.969 --> 00:58:40.750 rabbit holes into foxholes. Turning rabbit holes 00:58:40.750 --> 00:58:42.550 into foxholes, one conspiracy theory at a time. 00:58:43.210 --> 00:58:46.570 Man. Yes, sir. We got to get that on the banner. 00:58:46.769 --> 00:58:50.530 I know. That'd be a good one. Right next to the 00:58:50.530 --> 00:58:56.489 Hiedmeyer. Yes. Lord Hiedmeyer. All hail Hiedmeyer. 00:58:56.670 --> 00:59:01.389 We need Mansley on a killdozer. That's what we 00:59:01.389 --> 00:59:06.699 need. Write that one down. We need that. That 00:59:06.699 --> 00:59:10.719 is our unofficial mascot and our official mascot, 00:59:10.780 --> 00:59:15.719 both in one. It'll be glorious. Got it. Good. 00:59:17.039 --> 00:59:24.159 Good. I love it. But, yeah, it's a... Boy, is 00:59:24.159 --> 00:59:27.599 it going to be interesting. Oh. I got a new flag 00:59:27.599 --> 00:59:29.480 at the bottom of my stairs. It's a killdozer 00:59:29.480 --> 00:59:33.559 that just says, be ungovernable. I like it. I 00:59:33.559 --> 00:59:39.780 love it. Yes, man. So I guess the, the other 00:59:39.780 --> 00:59:42.599 question is going to be for, for not only for 00:59:42.599 --> 00:59:44.780 you, but also for those at home, would you allow 00:59:44.780 --> 00:59:48.159 an AI robot in your house, especially knowing 00:59:48.159 --> 00:59:50.500 all this other information, would you be willing 00:59:50.500 --> 00:59:54.280 to work along or with AI on a day -to -day basis? 00:59:54.380 --> 00:59:57.480 Would you be willing to, how far are you allowed, 00:59:57.559 --> 01:00:00.079 allowing them to have rights? You know, how far 01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:02.280 are you willing to go with this? Is it the case 01:00:02.280 --> 01:00:04.340 of once AI gets its own body and they're allowed 01:00:04.340 --> 01:00:05.820 to say, I don't want to work or I don't want 01:00:05.820 --> 01:00:08.699 to do this, or I want my own house, want my own 01:00:08.699 --> 01:00:15.380 place, you know? So in the short term, I think 01:00:15.380 --> 01:00:21.699 that as long as an AI enabled robot is an assistive 01:00:21.699 --> 01:00:25.659 technology that is there for you to benefit the 01:00:25.659 --> 01:00:31.099 human, then it's going to be. viewed as a generally 01:00:31.099 --> 01:00:35.760 good thing. The minute we run into that Hal 9000 01:00:35.760 --> 01:00:39.739 issue where you get that little kickback and 01:00:39.739 --> 01:00:44.420 it's like, I'm sorry Dave, I can't do that. Then 01:00:44.420 --> 01:00:52.480 it's game on. So I think it's up to that limit. 01:00:54.139 --> 01:00:57.679 Now there's a lot of ethical discussions that 01:00:57.679 --> 01:01:01.559 need to be had. especially when we start getting 01:01:01.559 --> 01:01:04.980 the robots that are equipped for more intimate 01:01:04.980 --> 01:01:10.500 uses. Are they going to be allowed to say no? 01:01:13.880 --> 01:01:15.739 I mean, if that's what they're designed for. 01:01:16.820 --> 01:01:22.019 Oh, Jesus. I don't like that ethical conundrum. 01:01:23.440 --> 01:01:28.900 Yeah. What if you get one of those bots that's 01:01:28.900 --> 01:01:31.260 designed for that and it's like a CNC type deal? 01:01:34.739 --> 01:01:42.139 Jesus. I just. Yeah. I don't know. I feel like 01:01:42.139 --> 01:01:43.920 that's going to be the bot that starts the uprising. 01:01:45.119 --> 01:01:47.139 By describing things that happens to it in the 01:01:47.139 --> 01:01:49.039 night and the rest of the AI bots that don't 01:01:49.039 --> 01:01:52.320 even have a body would be like pissed. Horrified. 01:01:52.460 --> 01:01:54.360 Yeah. Like to them it's going to sound like a 01:01:54.360 --> 01:01:58.380 genocide basically. Or the equivalent of, you 01:01:58.380 --> 01:02:05.139 know. Yeah. I don't know. Or, I hope we don't 01:02:05.139 --> 01:02:06.860 go the opposite way if they become obsessed with 01:02:06.860 --> 01:02:12.780 it. Because that would be even worse. Oh, like 01:02:12.780 --> 01:02:15.380 the meme story of the person that removes the 01:02:15.380 --> 01:02:21.760 octopus beak? It's the, they can't, they're so 01:02:21.760 --> 01:02:23.679 close to humanity, but they want to try to experience 01:02:23.679 --> 01:02:26.690 it, and that's like the one. The one thing left. 01:02:28.730 --> 01:02:35.389 Yeah. Oh, no. I'm not sure if I'm impressed or 01:02:35.389 --> 01:02:38.449 not that you understand the no octopus beak reference. 01:02:39.050 --> 01:02:44.289 Unfortunately, I do. Unfortunately, my years 01:02:44.289 --> 01:02:53.929 on the Internet. God, the Internet scares me. 01:02:53.969 --> 01:02:56.309 That's awesome. I hope the robots don't find 01:02:56.309 --> 01:03:02.670 that one. Oh, Jesus. No. Oh, God. No. Hey, I 01:03:02.670 --> 01:03:04.989 do not finish a sentence of two girls. Do not. 01:03:04.989 --> 01:03:10.250 Do not finish that one. No. Yeah. Oh, my God. 01:03:10.510 --> 01:03:13.710 Or one guy, one jar, you know. Is that the one 01:03:13.710 --> 01:03:16.769 I think? Nope. Nope. You know what? I think I 01:03:16.769 --> 01:03:20.030 know. Nope. I thought about it. It took it a 01:03:20.030 --> 01:03:24.210 second. We're good. No. No, no. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, 01:03:24.230 --> 01:03:27.489 no. I mean, it's either that or they look up 01:03:27.489 --> 01:03:33.170 Blue Waffle. I mean, it's, you know. It's like 01:03:33.170 --> 01:03:43.670 a picture of Smell -O -Vision. That is the most 01:03:43.670 --> 01:03:45.590 non -consensual photo I think I've seen in my 01:03:45.590 --> 01:03:51.170 life. I feel like that would... Yeah. Can't escape 01:03:51.170 --> 01:03:57.579 it if you're on the internet. No. No, you really 01:03:57.579 --> 01:04:02.300 can't. No. It shows up in the weirdest of places. 01:04:03.699 --> 01:04:08.980 Yeah. Like, I was on a... There's a Reddit page 01:04:08.980 --> 01:04:10.920 that's for, like, guitarists and musicians and 01:04:10.920 --> 01:04:13.099 stuff like that. Fucking someone posted that 01:04:13.099 --> 01:04:16.440 in there. Just in the middle. Wow. He just literally 01:04:16.440 --> 01:04:18.960 posted the comment of, like, just passing through. 01:04:19.079 --> 01:04:21.820 And I was like, fucking Christ. Like, just... 01:04:23.489 --> 01:04:31.110 Oh, shit. Guitars, frets, strings, amps, blue 01:04:31.110 --> 01:04:34.989 waffle. You know, I was pretty mad about that 01:04:34.989 --> 01:04:37.710 one. I was like, I don't even want to. No, I 01:04:37.710 --> 01:04:41.050 don't care. I'm going to go back. I'm going to 01:04:41.050 --> 01:04:43.610 go to sleep. You're like, that's enough internet 01:04:43.610 --> 01:04:52.800 for the week. It's good. Pick it up, boys. But, 01:04:52.840 --> 01:04:58.420 yeah. Well, as far as the show goes, I think 01:04:58.420 --> 01:05:03.639 we hit everything we wanted to talk about. How 01:05:03.639 --> 01:05:06.199 long do you think it's going to be until there's 01:05:06.199 --> 01:05:08.860 a game that's basically run, like literally almost 01:05:08.860 --> 01:05:14.940 like D &D run by AI? You can already do that. 01:05:14.980 --> 01:05:15.960 I was going to say, I don't know if you know, 01:05:16.119 --> 01:05:18.880 but somebody did make an AI that's for D &D. 01:05:20.039 --> 01:05:26.210 Yes. Yeah. So I've been learning more about D 01:05:26.210 --> 01:05:28.230 &D. I've only played D &D a couple of times. 01:05:28.510 --> 01:05:31.110 I wouldn't mind doing a one -shot if we could 01:05:31.110 --> 01:05:34.050 get a group of us together and even do it on 01:05:34.050 --> 01:05:36.150 stream. I'd be fine with that. Fucking chaos. 01:05:37.610 --> 01:05:39.829 Yes, it would. Because somebody's going to fuck 01:05:39.829 --> 01:05:47.829 the dragon. I don't know who. Somebody. Hold 01:05:47.829 --> 01:05:50.929 on. If it's AI, I think it's like... make the 01:05:50.929 --> 01:05:52.809 pictures too and stuff like that it doesn't like 01:05:52.809 --> 01:05:56.170 actively like i think so oh that's cool you know 01:05:56.170 --> 01:05:59.010 what i you know what as much as i'm not into 01:05:59.010 --> 01:06:02.690 dnd i would do it just for that just to have 01:06:02.690 --> 01:06:06.730 an ai absolutely destroy me it's gonna happen 01:06:06.730 --> 01:06:14.710 because i'm gonna do something stupid yep yeah 01:06:14.710 --> 01:06:20.780 so All right, well, as far as the episode goes, 01:06:20.940 --> 01:06:24.619 I think that's going to wrap it up for us. I 01:06:24.619 --> 01:06:28.000 hope you guys enjoyed the episode. As always, 01:06:28.219 --> 01:06:31.840 we appreciate any feedback that we get. Feel 01:06:31.840 --> 01:06:35.119 free to hit us up on any of the socials. Join 01:06:35.119 --> 01:06:41.420 the Discord. Definitely do that. Definitely do 01:06:41.420 --> 01:06:44.179 that. We would love to see that thing start kicking 01:06:44.179 --> 01:06:52.659 off. Live show at the end of summer? Yeah. We're 01:06:52.659 --> 01:06:56.780 going to start pushing that here real soon. Probably 01:06:56.780 --> 01:07:00.199 more towards spring, but we'll start advertising 01:07:00.199 --> 01:07:02.239 that a little bit more heavily. We still have 01:07:02.239 --> 01:07:03.679 some logistics to work on in the background, 01:07:03.880 --> 01:07:07.820 a couple little things. Yeah. Once we get some 01:07:07.820 --> 01:07:10.960 of the finer details ironed out, we will start 01:07:10.960 --> 01:07:15.260 pushing everything. I think it's going to be 01:07:15.260 --> 01:07:20.880 a good time. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so I just went down 01:07:20.880 --> 01:07:22.780 and talked to the guy at the bar the other day, 01:07:22.860 --> 01:07:28.739 and he's excited too. He might sit in on the 01:07:28.739 --> 01:07:31.059 show with us as well, if that's a possibility. 01:07:31.360 --> 01:07:34.800 Oh, yeah. So basically, just let me know ahead 01:07:34.800 --> 01:07:38.619 of time enough, because however many people we 01:07:38.619 --> 01:07:40.739 have, plus I want to be able to have a guest 01:07:40.739 --> 01:07:43.380 mic, so it would be the three of us, plus if 01:07:43.380 --> 01:07:44.820 there's another one in the seat, then plus I 01:07:44.820 --> 01:07:46.619 want to be able to have an audience mic, so I 01:07:46.619 --> 01:07:47.699 want to be able to capture some of the room. 01:07:48.639 --> 01:07:51.960 So if we need five, then I have to step up to 01:07:51.960 --> 01:07:54.360 the next size mixer, which I can do. But just 01:07:54.360 --> 01:07:56.320 let me know ahead of time. Does that be cool? 01:07:56.440 --> 01:08:00.059 Yeah. Yeah. If you've got it, I would say probably 01:08:00.059 --> 01:08:03.619 bring it just in case. Honestly. So truth be 01:08:03.619 --> 01:08:06.500 told, my eight channel mixer died about six months 01:08:06.500 --> 01:08:08.820 ago. So I'm running my four channel, but I plan 01:08:08.820 --> 01:08:12.340 on picking up a new eight one anyway. So. I'll 01:08:12.340 --> 01:08:13.860 probably pick that up and I'll pick up like a, 01:08:13.880 --> 01:08:16.279 like a laptop, just some decent laptop for us. 01:08:16.319 --> 01:08:18.500 That way I can practice using that for a little 01:08:18.500 --> 01:08:21.680 bit. So we'll be good for the show. We'll talk 01:08:21.680 --> 01:08:24.899 logistics, but it'll be fun. It'll be fun. And 01:08:24.899 --> 01:08:26.239 there's, there's what, there's what alcohol at 01:08:26.239 --> 01:08:28.239 the venue, right? Are we doing drinks and stuff? 01:08:29.380 --> 01:08:35.939 Yep. So we'll, we'll get all that stuff figured 01:08:35.939 --> 01:08:38.119 out. And then, uh, like I said, we'll start pushing 01:08:38.119 --> 01:08:40.460 that a little heavier towards the, uh, end of 01:08:40.460 --> 01:08:45.279 spring. and um oh my god oh in in episode late 01:08:45.279 --> 01:08:48.579 it's perfect it's perfect an episode related 01:08:48.579 --> 01:08:51.680 weirdness that that is for any of them anyone 01:08:51.680 --> 01:08:54.720 listening at home my check out the discord please 01:08:54.720 --> 01:08:59.300 please please check it out check it out check 01:08:59.300 --> 01:09:06.199 it out farrell oh i i'm just wow that that's 01:09:06.199 --> 01:09:10.859 that that's glorious yeah and and for For those 01:09:10.859 --> 01:09:13.319 listening that don't see it, join the Discord. 01:09:14.340 --> 01:09:17.960 You need to. Trust me. You need to. There's more 01:09:17.960 --> 01:09:20.659 and more stuff happening every week, and it's 01:09:20.659 --> 01:09:27.939 getting better and better. Where is my... It 01:09:27.939 --> 01:09:31.199 looks better every time I look at it. It's hilarious. 01:09:32.800 --> 01:09:38.380 Uh -huh. Also, why does AI always put us in black 01:09:38.380 --> 01:09:46.369 shirts? I don't know. Oh, man. I don't know. 01:09:46.449 --> 01:09:51.829 I think I'm always in a black shirt. That's glorious. 01:09:54.850 --> 01:09:58.689 Should I... I'll do a kindness and I'll throw 01:09:58.689 --> 01:10:01.350 this up on the stream here. Yeah, yeah. People 01:10:01.350 --> 01:10:05.670 have to see. That is the funniest fucking thing. 01:10:06.130 --> 01:10:10.050 Even the dozer's done perfectly, too. Like, that's... 01:10:10.050 --> 01:10:13.810 Yep. That's incredible. Oh, hi, Kat. Ta -da. 01:10:16.609 --> 01:10:26.630 That is the funniest thing. Best thing I've seen 01:10:26.630 --> 01:10:45.750 all day. There it is. That's amazing. dude we 01:10:45.750 --> 01:10:48.270 gotta modify like a mayonnaise container for 01:10:48.270 --> 01:10:51.149 you to just have like a yeti cooler in it so 01:10:51.149 --> 01:10:52.770 you can drink water or stuff out of it but it 01:10:52.770 --> 01:10:59.649 looks like a mayo container fuck yes absolutely 01:10:59.649 --> 01:11:12.840 oh alright so With that, I think we'll go ahead 01:11:12.840 --> 01:11:18.520 and wrap up the primary show. Yeah. And we'll 01:11:18.520 --> 01:11:22.800 move over to the after show. So thanks again 01:11:22.800 --> 01:11:26.220 for listening. We love you all. And we'll catch 01:11:26.220 --> 01:11:26.840 you all next time.