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at the camera. So welcome back, everybody. We

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have hopefully a good show tonight. We're going

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to be talking about a pretty cool topic. We've

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previously spoken about some of the legal reformatory

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processes that are in place in this country,

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and we've shared some of our thoughts and opinions

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on the way that it is all being done and could

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be done a little bit better. Tonight, however,

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we're going to take a walk down the path that

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so far has only been explored in a laboratory

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setting. So if you could imagine for a moment

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a future where instead of just rotting in prison

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for years, a criminal gets hooked up to a pod

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or some other kind of BCI brain computer interface

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and has AI generated memories forcibly shoved

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into their brain. And then they walk out a reformed

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individual in minutes or even hours or possibly

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even days. It sounds like pure science fiction,

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but it's called Cognify. And as of about a year

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ago, it's been kind of taking off online. It's

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a concept from, I'm going to butcher this dude's

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name. I'm sorry. It's Hashim Al -Ghali. He's

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a filmmaker and a molecular biologist. It is

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not a real brick -and -mortar company yet, but

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everything that this man's trying to do has been

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inspired by real lab animal experiments and other

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human technology experiments that have taken

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place all the way back from 2013. So we're going

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to discuss some of the neurological and psychological

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rehab potentials that this tech could offer.

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As well as some of the dark misuse potentialities

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and why it feels like it's something straight

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out of Minority Report, Demolition Man, Black

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Mirror, just to name a few. Total Recall. Oh,

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Total Recall. Hell yeah. I forgot about that

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one. That's great. There's like several Star

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Trek episodes about that very topic. Oh, that's

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good. Yes. The one with O 'Brien. Yes. It's the

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particular one. So before we get too far into

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this, what about this whole concept kind of excites

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you guys or scares you the most about it? Just

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kind of going off of the intro stuff. What concerns

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me, I guess, is this seems like a natural progression

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with something like Neuralink that's already

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on the way out or on the way in and coming out.

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I guess my concern is going to be, number one,

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who the hell is going to be held responsible

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and who's going to be like... I don't know, actually

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having any oversight over something like that.

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Because theoretically, it doesn't just have to

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be for punishment. Like, I know we're talking

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about punishment. That's the main goal. But if

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you're imprinting memories and experiences and

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or removing other ones or changing in any way,

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there's a lot of things you can do to people

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that will never, ever, ever be reported or understood.

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And you thought MKUltra was bad? Just wait till

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you see this shit. That's what really fucking

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scares me. I don't trust any of that. I was excited

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to get your take on this because I know that

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you've paid attention to a lot of that stuff.

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Oh yeah. Ultimate sleeper cell. Bucky from the

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Avengers. The way he got activated. This is literally

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the best way to potentially program a whole line

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of sleeper soldiers like that. Could you imagine

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just being out there at, like, a school function

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and something's done accidentally and all the

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soccer moms just go full -on Karen? A lot of

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them already are full -on Karens. Yeah, but,

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I mean, just straight -up ninjas, you know? Oh,

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my God. That would be terrifying but yet hilarious

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at the same time. Oh, do you remember the advertisement

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reels from The Division? Where they have, like,

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the average stay -at -home girlfriend and her

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watch gets activated and she's, like, instant,

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like, fucking secret agent girl. Right. That

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kind of shit. It'd be like that. Yes. That'd

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be kind of amazing. I think the problem would

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be is that warfare would completely change because

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then imagine, and I almost want to point to Matrix

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or something like this. Imagine being able to

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upload. a hundred years worth of combat experience

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into somebody, and then you just release them

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back in the wild. But you do that with millions

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of people. All of a sudden, you don't have a

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standing military you have to pay. You just simply

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say some magic words over the megaphone, and

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a million people show up ready for war, and you

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can't fucking tell them apart. No, any of this

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stuff, no. I guess the way I look at it is the

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human brain is one of the only sacred things

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that we have that should remain untouched. You

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can study it all you want. But don't make any

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changes unless it's like something like medically

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necessary kind of thing to like save a life.

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That's different. But you're talking about altering

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something when there's no deficiencies or abnormalities.

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No. Like, for example, I wouldn't mind if somebody,

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let's just say, was committed for a crime that's

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like super, super, super bad. Then maybe. But

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I guess that that my worry is that as soon as

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you open that Pandora's box, it does not stop

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there. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It'll never close the

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moment you open it. That's it. I mean, look at

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AI. I know we're the show of AI. That's really

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what we talk about 40 % of the time. But I mean,

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look at that. What's that Pandora's box? What's

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the Will Smith box was open with him eating spaghetti

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and looking like a Picasso painting. Once we

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saw that the first time, ever since then, nothing's

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been the same. I'm 40 % AI. Yeah, no, there's

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everything you talked about. We're going to kind

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of touch on a little bit later. But something

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that you said kind of triggered. One of our earlier

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episodes, the digital afterlife, this kind of

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technology could really pave the way for something

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like that. Because you're going to be mapping

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the brain and getting the memories and even manipulating

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the memories. That's like baseline technology

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for that technology. I like this. I like where

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that's going. The only thing is... what would

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happen? Do you get like that Amazon show where

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everybody's in, you know, after life shows upload?

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Yes. Is it like that? Or is it like the Johnny

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Depp movie where, you know, all of a sudden he

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loses his flip in mind and he somehow gets let

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loose with internet information. Transcendence.

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It just goes, yes, that's the movie. That's a

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great fucking movie. God. Yeah. That's a lot

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better than I thought it was going to be. You

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ain't kidding. It was very underrated. But, yeah,

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so that's... I know your original topic was more

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to do with... Is your original topic here more

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to do with specifically with jails and kind of

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the rehabilitation process, or are you going

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more general here? Kind of both. Okay. I have

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some sections. So first off, what is Cognify

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itself? The original concept of the way that

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this is intending to be used is twofold. You

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have the prison rehab and then you have the mental

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rehab. So in the prison rehab, the prisoner would

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choose to do the Cognify rehab over their full

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sentence. They would get a brain scan that would

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map all their neural pathways. AI that's used

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would craft a custom set of artificial memories.

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It would also include experiences from the crime,

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from the victim's perspective, and from their

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perspective, and it would build a separate algorithm

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based on empathy and guilt. It would be implanted

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into their head via a headset or in a pod, something

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like that, some kind of a BCI, brain -computer

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interface. Minutes in the chamber or whatever

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the setup is would feel like literal years. Determining

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how long and what the process actually is, whether

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they're just forced to relive that event over

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and over and over for literal years is an ethical

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debate because is that humane in that respect?

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I mean, if somebody commits like a horrible,

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heinous, violent crime to somebody and they live

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and they're able to upload the memory of that

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event. and make somebody else relive that event

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as punishment, personally, I think that's just,

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that's just cause. That is like the perfect way

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to prevent that from happening. Because what

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you do to somebody will literally be done to

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you in your head. You will have the full experience,

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the full brunt of everything that you've done,

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literally done to you. And you will walk away

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feeling as though it was done to you. And you

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will live the rest of your life thinking that

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you, that it was done. Yeah. But the only issue

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with that, the PTSD of that, and then does that

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mentally break the person because that's been

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done? That's that's where the worse because of

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it. That's where the, the custom AI pathways

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and everything come into play. First, it would

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be lived and then it would be healed over time.

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Because again, This is done over years in the

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mind. So if you're given X amount of time to

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relive the event, then you're given X amount

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of time to therapy out the event in your head

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and treat and confront and discuss and literally

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just like Freud your way out of it. Do therapy

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for. literally 10 years intense therapy, you

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know, address everything have. And like you were

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saying with demolition, man, they had like docile

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tendencies for the main character implanted in.

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So there could be behavior modifications that

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could also go along with this. There could be

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empathy behaviors that could be also put in place.

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So they could literally just feel more susceptible.

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to a lot of this training or, or, um, I don't

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know if it's training or, um, just the, uh, the

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therapy, we'll call it. But the, the goal of

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all of this is empathy building so that they

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come away feeling literal remorse for what they

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did. And it would lead to lower recidivism. And

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in theory, it would be a hell of a lot cheaper

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than prisons. because this treatment but they're

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still gonna have to take medication when they're

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done potentially but it may not be long term

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or permanent but the cost to run a prison versus

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the cost of a one day or maybe just a multi -day

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treatment plan is going to be leaps and bounds

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cheaper so do you think that sounds more humane

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just from that or or is it pretty much just horrifying

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because I think back to that Black Mirror episode,

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the Black Museum, where the memory of the guy

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hitting the electric chair was just done over

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and over and over. Or wasn't Black Mirror also

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did the episode where it was the guy trying to

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get promoted to be a supervisor and he stuck

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him in VR where he was in a confined area for

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just years to what felt like years to him. and

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he was being starved and tortured and all that

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stuff. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Only just to get

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promoted to be a supervisor. Yeah. To, like,

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managerial. You might be confused in two episodes,

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but the one, he got left on the planet in the

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second go of the Star Trek episodes, or the Star

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Trek and Jason episodes. Right. No, this one

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was not Star Trek. Okay. This was straight up,

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like, a Black Mirror kind of thing. Okay. but

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yeah so it was uh oh i'm trying to remember the

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actor's name he was an ant -man the first ant

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-man talked really fast oh that guy yeah the

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hispanic gentleman yeah no oh the guy that plays

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hector and everything yeah yeah yeah talks really

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fast and he goes oh and then this happened and

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this happened and was he in black mirror i don't

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remember him being like i said it may not have

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been black mirror but It was one of those videos,

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you know, where it played out like, you know,

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either Black Mirror or Twilight Zone kind of

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thing where it starts off where he's in a confined

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space, almost like a circular cement area. And

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there's a single opening, like a door, I guess.

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And he's able to hear somebody and he's able

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to talk to them. But otherwise, he's supposed

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to be like. I think it's like they're supposed

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to be pushing something around in a circle. Oh,

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okay. And, you know, the more they work, the

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better off they're supposed to be. You know,

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just by the time it's over with, you know, and

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they pull them out, you know, oh, well, you know,

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your score is this, and you didn't do this very

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well. So we may not be able to help you with

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that. And then you see all these other people,

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their heads are down because they're in the simulation

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going through the same thing. No. No, no. That's

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horrifying to me. Yeah. Because they could easily

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do something like that, especially if you're

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not guilty of anything. Right. You're just trying

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to get a promotion. Oh, your explanation there

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reminds me of that Rick and Morty episode where

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they were playing the game where you live somebody

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else's life. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Morty goes into

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it. he tries to live just a normal life and then

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rick pulls him out going yeah that sucked and

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then everybody's like he's going for a whole

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new high score just ah that that one was good

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yeah so what i was thinking with that that whole

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that part of the topic is i really feel like

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as with most things in science technologies depends

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on depends on how it's used and what kind of

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oversight there is so I think for certain criminals,

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certain crimes, maybe for things that are habitual

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or it's clear that someone is so far gone that

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there is no traditional therapy or traditional

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methods that would work. As an option, I do think

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it makes sense for some people. Because I look

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at it as like euthanasia is always like the last

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alternative. Just bottomize them. Let's not go

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there. Well, digital lobotomy, you know. Yeah,

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that doesn't really work out for their quality

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of life. But I guess the point I'm getting at

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is as another option, it can be utilized. But

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there has to be a lot of oversight. There has

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to be a lot of mitigating factors. There has

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to be a lot of people signing off on it. And

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there has to be direct oversight and direct access

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as to what is happening. So there should be a

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way to review the logs, review the data, review

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everything. And there should be a process, I

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would think, put in place to be able to reverse

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the process or undo it if necessary. Because

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I'd assume if you can implant a memory, hopefully

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they'd have the ability to get rid of a memory,

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which I know might be more tough. But there's

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got to be some fail -safes in place. Because

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my concern would be you're not going to 100 %

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know how everybody's going to react to something

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like that. You can have all the data you want,

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but in the end, we are people where our experiences,

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our lived experiences are very much individualized

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in how we process and how we handle certain emotions,

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certain things. So I don't trust an AI to handle

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something like that. It would have to be something

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that's like a big undertaking because to be able

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to program and analyze all that would be very

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extensive. But I do believe for the right patients,

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for the right people. it could make sense but

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again all factors in on cost too also factors

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in on time because i don't know this is something

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i don't know this is a question i gotta ask you

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but have we proven at all that like in that kind

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of state you would be able to implant a memory

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at a hundred times speed or a thousand times

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speed where you could do several years in the

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course of a day like is that something that's

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confirmed because i know nothing about that part

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it's still in the lab and they're they have shown

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uh some success with lab animals okay yeah using

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like was it the blue light therapy or whatever

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the well alter or erase memories the yeah i've

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actually got that in the next section which gibbs

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if you want to take this next section i i want

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to see how how mind blown that you get uh as

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as you're kind of bringing everybody else into

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the into the fold here well as long as you highlight

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the next section there's a couple of different

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Oh, there we go. Ah, okay. Thank you. Appreciate

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it. So you wanted to know how close we are. This

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is literally how close are we? That was the setup

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on that one. Yeah. So starting with 2013 at MIT.

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All right. Fuck you. You have me read that. That's

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why you did that. No, it's optogenetics. Optogenetics.

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Optogenetics. Optogenetics. Research. Attorney

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Gawa lab implanted false fear memories in mice,

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making them terrified of safe places by reactivating

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specific neurons during shocks. It was causal

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proof that memories can be fabricated in animals.

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Interesting. So there's your, well, that was,

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that was, that was back in 2013. So that has

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most likely progressed at least somewhat. So

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they can make lab animals afraid of a known safe

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place and likely comfortable in a known dangerous

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place. So go ahead and continue on. More recent

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advances, wireless optogenetics devices, 2025

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Northwestern micro LED implants, for example,

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for precise control in behaving animals without

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wires. Okay, so I'm assuming it's, did you look

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into that product in particular? I couldn't find

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the actual stuff, so I'm assuming it's still

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just in the lab and has not been patented or

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otherwise released. But the best I could find

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was that it's literally just using light to control

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behavior and activate specific parts of the brain

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during lab tests. Oh, that's great. you know

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in the show fallout they're kind of going with

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the whole idea of like control and everything

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but not using optics but instead just yes you

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know radio waves pulses yeah yeah very very similar

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path yeah yes very on brand for them so japanese

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researchers recently 2025 made a breakthrough

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showing that a certain type of blue light therapy

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can actually alter or even erase memories in

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the human brain The research is still very early

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in its progress, but the early results were published

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late last year. So, hmm. I would love to know

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the data on how the hell you can erase memories

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just with a blue light. Yeah. And total, total,

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like 100 % sidebar. I got to set up like a rant

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camera or something like Joe Scott does. A reel

00:22:05.329 --> 00:22:08.690
came out just the other day that I stumbled across

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while. finger banging my phone on Instagram.

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Ariana Grande came up and she was being interviewed

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and she let it slip that some company did a light

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therapy to make her lose her memories. So she

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couldn't remember what the person was talking

00:22:25.789 --> 00:22:30.390
about. Now, I don't know how much I can believe

00:22:30.390 --> 00:22:32.009
of that girl because I don't know what the hell

00:22:32.009 --> 00:22:34.450
she's been through, but something about her has

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drastically changed over the past couple of years.

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If you just kind of look at her from a distance.

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So, and it seemed like a genuine kind of like,

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I'm just kind of saying this because this is

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what happened moment. And it was, it was like

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a very casual, like, oh yeah, that just happened

00:22:52.880 --> 00:22:55.079
the other day. Kind of, kind of interaction.

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So I don't know. Take into account is how crazy

00:23:00.039 --> 00:23:02.200
some of them can be because of the fact they're

00:23:02.200 --> 00:23:04.920
so detached from you ain't kidding. They're,

00:23:04.920 --> 00:23:07.710
they're nuts. But I thought that was just a very

00:23:07.710 --> 00:23:10.369
odd coincidence that I'm doing all this shit,

00:23:10.470 --> 00:23:15.130
and that kind of popped up. So, you know, it

00:23:15.130 --> 00:23:16.890
was funny. So I wonder what the crossover is

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with all the rave kids that saw all the blue

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lights and then coming home and not remembering

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anything. That's drugs. That's just drugs. Just

00:23:24.049 --> 00:23:26.269
drugs. I always hope maybe one of them wasn't

00:23:26.269 --> 00:23:28.490
drugs. Drugs. Maybe it was one of them. It was

00:23:28.490 --> 00:23:31.180
one of them. It's drugs. That'd be funny. That'd

00:23:31.180 --> 00:23:33.640
be funny. Goes to a rave. Is the one guy that

00:23:33.640 --> 00:23:35.599
doesn't do drugs gets your mind erased by a certain

00:23:35.599 --> 00:23:39.759
series of blue lights? Yes. You're the one guy

00:23:39.759 --> 00:23:41.720
that cops don't fucking believe that didn't take

00:23:41.720 --> 00:23:44.240
anything. I don't know who I am, man. Where am

00:23:44.240 --> 00:23:46.839
I? Oh, Jesus Christ. He took some drugs in the

00:23:46.839 --> 00:23:49.079
butthole again. Come on, Jeffrey. Who's Jeffrey?

00:23:51.599 --> 00:23:55.200
I mean, to some degree, I mean, we know that

00:23:55.200 --> 00:23:58.039
blue lights from computer monitors can fatigue

00:23:58.039 --> 00:24:02.640
your eyes and make you feel fatigued. So I don't

00:24:02.640 --> 00:24:05.039
know what the correlation would be, but I mean,

00:24:05.059 --> 00:24:07.839
we do know that it does cause that at least.

00:24:08.019 --> 00:24:11.660
So whatever they may have found that I can do

00:24:11.660 --> 00:24:17.700
elsewhere, God only knows. Uh -huh. So, but yeah,

00:24:17.799 --> 00:24:23.119
go ahead and continue on Gibbs. All right, let's

00:24:23.119 --> 00:24:26.920
see. On the human side, USC Wake Forest hippocampal

00:24:26.920 --> 00:24:29.900
prosthesis trials are ongoing to 2025 and 2026.

00:24:30.319 --> 00:24:32.619
Implants restore memory encoding in epilepsy

00:24:32.619 --> 00:24:35.779
and brain injury patients by bridging damaged

00:24:35.779 --> 00:24:38.539
areas with AI -predicted signals. I don't like

00:24:38.539 --> 00:24:42.740
where this is going. Boosts recall, wow, an 11

00:24:42.740 --> 00:24:46.019
% to 54 % in tests, not creating fake memories

00:24:46.019 --> 00:24:49.500
but repairing real ones. Fully implantable versions

00:24:49.500 --> 00:24:54.549
are targeted soon. Yeah, how about no? No, this

00:24:54.549 --> 00:24:59.250
is targeting actual real -world medical applications.

00:24:59.829 --> 00:25:04.869
People that have had strokes, epilepsy, possibly

00:25:04.869 --> 00:25:13.470
even dementia, and the other bad one. Alzheimer's.

00:25:13.549 --> 00:25:18.660
God. Yeah, fuck. Do you need a brain implant,

00:25:18.819 --> 00:25:23.839
buddy? Shut your whore mouth. So this kind of

00:25:23.839 --> 00:25:27.440
technology could theoretically assist in treatments

00:25:27.440 --> 00:25:32.440
with those types of disorders. I guess I don't

00:25:32.440 --> 00:25:35.000
mean to be the pessimist. I do agree. I'm sure

00:25:35.000 --> 00:25:37.059
it can help some people, but am I the only person

00:25:37.059 --> 00:25:40.220
that's just been very, how should I say, underwhelmed

00:25:40.220 --> 00:25:44.079
with the recent status of the medical system

00:25:44.079 --> 00:25:47.160
in our country where I don't trust anyone to

00:25:47.160 --> 00:25:49.880
handle anything like that with my brain. I'm

00:25:49.880 --> 00:25:51.839
sorry. But even if it could help people, it really

00:25:51.839 --> 00:25:54.440
concerns me. Because, like, sure, it could. But

00:25:54.440 --> 00:25:58.559
what if it don't? Yeah. You know. And how many

00:25:58.559 --> 00:26:01.579
hospitals? Sorry, you go. I was going to say,

00:26:01.640 --> 00:26:03.180
and then what hospital is going to be willing

00:26:03.180 --> 00:26:06.839
to take that kind of liability on? And then as

00:26:06.839 --> 00:26:09.819
we learn with more recent medications, you can't

00:26:09.819 --> 00:26:11.880
always sue them. Sometimes the government makes

00:26:11.880 --> 00:26:13.579
it illegal to sue the people even if you get

00:26:13.579 --> 00:26:18.660
something wrong. That's fun. I don't know. Do

00:26:18.660 --> 00:26:19.880
you really want to risk it? But that is kind

00:26:19.880 --> 00:26:26.039
of crazy. Yeah. Wow. Boost recall 11 to 54%.

00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:28.660
Uh -huh. I mean, fuck. I can't remember what

00:26:28.660 --> 00:26:30.759
I had for breakfast yesterday. Might be on the

00:26:30.759 --> 00:26:36.200
short list for that. That scares me. Oh, my God.

00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:40.680
Anyways. You don't remember what you were doing

00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:42.220
yesterday? I don't remember what I was doing

00:26:42.220 --> 00:26:46.660
today. Right. Also, the TikTok brain rot in my

00:26:46.660 --> 00:26:48.759
brains were really bad. I'm going to have to

00:26:48.759 --> 00:26:53.559
remove that. It's not worth it. TikTok bad. Yeah.

00:26:54.460 --> 00:26:56.500
Just not good for the old noggin. But anyways.

00:26:57.240 --> 00:27:01.079
Animal memory manipulation has been proven. Human

00:27:01.079 --> 00:27:04.559
memory restoration is in trials. Could it lead

00:27:04.559 --> 00:27:07.700
to the full seamless implantation of custom narratives?

00:27:09.400 --> 00:27:16.599
Total recall. Budget vacations. And that's where

00:27:16.599 --> 00:27:20.380
you were talking about... Not Red Faction. God,

00:27:20.400 --> 00:27:24.200
I keep... Total Recall. Same thing. Shut up.

00:27:24.660 --> 00:27:30.200
Not even close. Not even the same genre. It's

00:27:30.200 --> 00:27:34.039
on Mars, okay? Okay, okay. You get a pass for

00:27:34.039 --> 00:27:38.289
that part. They're both red, I guess. I do like

00:27:38.289 --> 00:27:40.069
the idea of cheap vacations, though. Not for

00:27:40.069 --> 00:27:42.849
nothing. Hopping into a little memory pod, you

00:27:42.849 --> 00:27:46.369
know, take a trip to Hawaii. It takes IRL like

00:27:46.369 --> 00:27:48.089
three hours. You go for three weeks. I mean,

00:27:48.109 --> 00:27:51.730
theoretically, it could make it so that you could

00:27:51.730 --> 00:27:55.970
live a long -ass time being plugged into one

00:27:55.970 --> 00:28:00.190
of those and having memories altered. Oh, my

00:28:00.190 --> 00:28:02.069
God. But could you imagine if something went

00:28:02.069 --> 00:28:05.400
wrong and... they accidentally left something

00:28:05.400 --> 00:28:07.339
going that should have been, and then next thing

00:28:07.339 --> 00:28:09.460
you know, you felt like you've been living for

00:28:09.460 --> 00:28:12.839
millions of years. Not only that, but who's going

00:28:12.839 --> 00:28:14.619
to be the first guy that goes into memory and

00:28:14.619 --> 00:28:17.000
they forget to add his penis back in? They spend

00:28:17.000 --> 00:28:20.799
the entire fucking year going, where is it? Oh,

00:28:20.940 --> 00:28:24.799
no. You've been non -consensually transed. Congratulations,

00:28:25.119 --> 00:28:30.319
sir. They're, like, traumatized just from a fake

00:28:30.319 --> 00:28:36.539
memory. Oh, God. Oh, Jesus. Your punishment is

00:28:36.539 --> 00:28:39.000
fucking Diddy's bathroom. Add to all the baby

00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:45.700
oil. I don't know. There's so many ways you could

00:28:45.700 --> 00:28:49.460
mess with that. Oh, yeah. I keep waking up and

00:28:49.460 --> 00:28:54.420
I just feel oil. I go to sleep and I still feel

00:28:54.420 --> 00:28:59.740
it on my body. Oil everywhere. I can't get clean.

00:29:03.630 --> 00:29:06.750
But it is cool for people that actually have

00:29:06.750 --> 00:29:09.730
issues going on. Yeah. But boy, it's all fun

00:29:09.730 --> 00:29:12.349
and games until something goes wrong. Yeah. So

00:29:12.349 --> 00:29:15.490
yeah, everything right now is still somewhat

00:29:15.490 --> 00:29:18.130
in the science fiction and in the lab environment.

00:29:18.450 --> 00:29:22.289
But all the building blocks, the BCIs, the optogenetics,

00:29:22.430 --> 00:29:25.890
the AI modeling, everything is in place. So everything

00:29:25.890 --> 00:29:28.849
is advancing and it's advancing pretty fast.

00:29:30.390 --> 00:29:35.230
Al Galili himself. It says that the animal successes

00:29:35.230 --> 00:29:39.130
plus all the AI that's advancing could make everything

00:29:39.130 --> 00:29:43.150
feasible in under a decade if ethics allow. Now,

00:29:43.190 --> 00:29:47.289
let me just say that again. It's feasible in

00:29:47.289 --> 00:29:51.549
under a decade if ethics allow. But if you remove

00:29:51.549 --> 00:29:54.410
ethics from that equation, how fast could this

00:29:54.410 --> 00:29:57.390
tech progress? Oh, I'm sure it could be like

00:29:57.390 --> 00:30:00.390
next year if you really want to push it. Yeah.

00:30:00.549 --> 00:30:04.710
Put it this way. No limits? that shit would progress

00:30:04.710 --> 00:30:07.710
faster than fast food has in America. If you

00:30:07.710 --> 00:30:10.089
let it without limits, without anything, the

00:30:10.089 --> 00:30:13.150
problem is nothing would happen because in a

00:30:13.150 --> 00:30:14.630
weird alternate universe, we'd all be in our

00:30:14.630 --> 00:30:17.930
own little individual uploaded whatever, living

00:30:17.930 --> 00:30:23.170
out memories that we never had. So I guess I

00:30:23.170 --> 00:30:26.369
worry that society itself would cease to exist

00:30:26.369 --> 00:30:28.410
because nobody would be involved in their actual

00:30:28.410 --> 00:30:32.369
biological body. in real time they'd be doing

00:30:32.369 --> 00:30:36.549
other shit or you could even have a situation

00:30:36.549 --> 00:30:39.269
where uh you know what if you got somebody that

00:30:39.269 --> 00:30:41.930
goes in for you know whatever it was they needed

00:30:41.930 --> 00:30:44.069
to get done and then they come back and go no

00:30:44.069 --> 00:30:46.230
put me back under please this is that was so

00:30:46.230 --> 00:30:48.990
much better and you have people that are willing

00:30:48.990 --> 00:30:52.609
to hurt themselves just to get back so then you've

00:30:52.609 --> 00:30:56.410
got uh matrix issues people wanting to go into

00:30:56.410 --> 00:30:59.460
the matrix and escape real life knowing that

00:30:59.460 --> 00:31:01.720
but i guess i have the other question too of

00:31:01.720 --> 00:31:08.799
like do you give the same legal rights to people

00:31:08.799 --> 00:31:12.740
that have had memory augmentations because here's

00:31:12.740 --> 00:31:16.140
the way i look at it is every job requires you

00:31:16.140 --> 00:31:19.220
to be skilled in order that job to be hired so

00:31:19.220 --> 00:31:20.940
what happens if you're the person with the money

00:31:20.940 --> 00:31:24.240
that can just be skilled at every job Do then

00:31:24.240 --> 00:31:26.500
you create a society where like the top 20 %

00:31:26.500 --> 00:31:29.720
of people do 90 % of the jobs, or do you have

00:31:29.720 --> 00:31:32.640
a system to where anybody at any moment can learn

00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:35.200
your job? So therefore no skilled jobs are actually

00:31:35.200 --> 00:31:37.240
worth it. Cause I can just go to the memory parlor

00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:39.759
and download how to be a plumber for five 99

00:31:39.759 --> 00:31:41.960
a month. And then I'll just do all my own plumbing

00:31:41.960 --> 00:31:45.680
work. I never hire a plumber. I guess this, this

00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:48.889
goes down that slippery slope of if no. Information

00:31:48.889 --> 00:31:52.109
and knowledge and information requires the time

00:31:52.109 --> 00:31:54.410
to skillfully learn it and understand it. Then

00:31:54.410 --> 00:31:57.230
it has no value. Okay, so think of this. If you're

00:31:57.230 --> 00:32:00.710
hired on for a company, they give you the information

00:32:00.710 --> 00:32:04.670
on lease, on lend, as long as you're with the

00:32:04.670 --> 00:32:07.910
company and then using the ability to erase memories.

00:32:08.369 --> 00:32:11.029
When you leave the company, it is forcibly taken

00:32:11.029 --> 00:32:15.710
back. Then you're just a vessel. But you're a

00:32:15.710 --> 00:32:17.940
vessel making money. You're just a meat robot.

00:32:18.700 --> 00:32:20.940
Aren't we already? You're a robot with extra

00:32:20.940 --> 00:32:25.160
steps. Exactly. That's what we are now. Oh, Jesus.

00:32:25.380 --> 00:32:27.900
It'll be for the empire. We are meat robots.

00:32:28.460 --> 00:32:32.920
We have the shiniest meat suits. Okay? We already

00:32:32.920 --> 00:32:35.039
are meat robots. Let's just do it that way. I

00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:37.859
volunteer as Space Marine. Thank you. Yes, Sam.

00:32:39.720 --> 00:32:43.039
At that point. I guess that's the world we'd

00:32:43.039 --> 00:32:45.539
be going into. Now, I would agree that I think...

00:32:46.000 --> 00:32:47.859
There are certain things that it would be cool

00:32:47.859 --> 00:32:49.299
to be able to upload things like your entire

00:32:49.299 --> 00:32:51.359
educational system or college or whatever like

00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:54.740
different things But boy would have to be you

00:32:54.740 --> 00:32:59.819
sparingly Because man, it would be so easy Just

00:32:59.819 --> 00:33:02.140
to learn any job you want any a bit of information

00:33:02.140 --> 00:33:05.680
you want be incredibly like a battlefield earth

00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:15.289
Yeah Yes God I have the humans that all the humans

00:33:15.289 --> 00:33:17.329
that weren't educated and they jumped into that

00:33:17.329 --> 00:33:20.210
machine and got knew how to fly a fighter jet

00:33:20.210 --> 00:33:25.369
by the time they were done yep yeah i haven't

00:33:25.369 --> 00:33:30.609
seen that movie in a long time god that one wasn't

00:33:30.609 --> 00:33:33.269
underrated that one wasn't the greatest it wasn't

00:33:33.269 --> 00:33:36.390
that good but it wasn't as bad as some other

00:33:36.390 --> 00:33:41.750
things it wasn't you know if we did that people

00:33:41.750 --> 00:33:45.430
wouldn't have families No. They wouldn't need

00:33:45.430 --> 00:33:48.089
real families. Procreation would cease to exist

00:33:48.089 --> 00:33:50.430
so eventually the human race would die off. Probably.

00:33:50.670 --> 00:33:54.849
With something like that. Yeah. Because how many

00:33:54.849 --> 00:33:57.309
people are just going to make a memory being

00:33:57.309 --> 00:33:59.549
like, I want to have a family with this celebrity

00:33:59.549 --> 00:34:02.569
or this person and just click a button and go

00:34:02.569 --> 00:34:04.490
into the thing. Right. Whatever you pre -programmed

00:34:04.490 --> 00:34:06.650
or wanted, that is the, you know, and then you're

00:34:06.650 --> 00:34:08.190
going to come back out of it and whatever you

00:34:08.190 --> 00:34:10.550
programmed, it's going to be, make your life

00:34:10.550 --> 00:34:11.849
look like a disappointment no matter what it

00:34:11.849 --> 00:34:14.659
is. It's okay. My life is already a disappointment.

00:34:18.800 --> 00:34:22.260
I mean, you also have the issue of, you know,

00:34:22.260 --> 00:34:24.300
what if you have somebody that's like, I want

00:34:24.300 --> 00:34:27.119
to go in there and I want to have like, just

00:34:27.119 --> 00:34:32.429
go murder hobo in my memories. i want to have

00:34:32.429 --> 00:34:34.630
the memory of i just went murder i walked into

00:34:34.630 --> 00:34:37.570
you know you have like the far left leaning person

00:34:37.570 --> 00:34:40.230
just i i wanted to go murder hobo on everybody

00:34:40.230 --> 00:34:43.210
in trump tower or you got somebody on the right

00:34:43.210 --> 00:34:45.750
saying i'm gonna go murder hobo in los angeles

00:34:45.750 --> 00:34:48.909
of every you know whoever you know alternate

00:34:48.909 --> 00:34:50.909
lifestyle person you're just gonna have some

00:34:50.909 --> 00:34:55.309
issues with all of this yeah yeah we definitely

00:34:55.309 --> 00:34:59.670
need some limitations yeah so that kind of segues

00:34:59.670 --> 00:35:03.389
us into the next section. Gibles, do you want

00:35:03.389 --> 00:35:07.789
to take this one? Oh, I guess I'll read now.

00:35:07.909 --> 00:35:12.869
Yay. Yes, there is a dark side with the misuse

00:35:12.869 --> 00:35:16.349
and ethical minefields. Not that far. Up one.

00:35:17.110 --> 00:35:20.949
Oh, too far. Well, we've been talking about this.

00:35:22.309 --> 00:35:25.369
Minority report, the Halo device. Yeah, just

00:35:25.369 --> 00:35:29.489
kind of all the different... Yeah. The parallels

00:35:29.489 --> 00:35:32.530
of sci -fi and different movies that this is

00:35:32.530 --> 00:35:35.309
already kind of touching the tips of. Yeah, I

00:35:35.309 --> 00:35:39.750
mean... I mean, I sort of see it with Minority

00:35:39.750 --> 00:35:41.650
Report because of the Halo device putting the

00:35:41.650 --> 00:35:45.789
criminals into a dreamlike coma. Okay. We could

00:35:45.789 --> 00:35:48.929
technically do that now, honestly. You know,

00:35:48.929 --> 00:35:53.230
and save on, you know, serious costs when it

00:35:53.230 --> 00:35:55.690
comes to prisons. You know, oh, you're in for

00:35:55.690 --> 00:35:59.099
life, and... You have no possibility of getting

00:35:59.099 --> 00:36:01.860
out. Well, guess what? Now you're in a coma and

00:36:01.860 --> 00:36:05.260
we'll drip feed you the rest of your days. You

00:36:05.260 --> 00:36:08.480
know, you can get away with that. See something

00:36:08.480 --> 00:36:10.360
like that. I'm waiting for them to figure out

00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:13.199
how to use the human brain to mine crypto. And

00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:15.940
then the criminals can be turned into just crypto

00:36:15.940 --> 00:36:20.289
miners. You are no different than the matrix.

00:36:20.289 --> 00:36:23.730
We can get our video cards back. Literally, the

00:36:23.730 --> 00:36:25.869
more people we jailed, the stronger AI gets because

00:36:25.869 --> 00:36:27.969
they're using it for processing for crypto. Oh,

00:36:27.969 --> 00:36:37.610
my God. Commit crimes, feed the AI. Why do I

00:36:37.610 --> 00:36:41.630
feel like... I can't even say this one. Never

00:36:41.630 --> 00:36:47.670
mind. Say it. No. They would be promoting crime

00:36:47.670 --> 00:36:52.230
so that more people could... Oh, God. The algorithm

00:36:52.230 --> 00:36:54.130
just promotes crime so that it can get stronger.

00:36:54.510 --> 00:37:03.269
Yes. It would really happen. Oh, yeah. Oh God,

00:37:03.369 --> 00:37:06.789
that hurts my brain. That's hilarious and terrifying

00:37:06.789 --> 00:37:11.989
all at the same time. I mean, like I was saying

00:37:11.989 --> 00:37:16.750
is just, yeah. Demolition, man. Of course. That

00:37:16.750 --> 00:37:18.929
to me is like, that's the first time I really

00:37:18.929 --> 00:37:22.630
thought about something like that where, okay,

00:37:22.690 --> 00:37:26.449
you could put somebody into stasis and then rewire

00:37:26.449 --> 00:37:29.730
the brain to either be more docile, violent.

00:37:30.170 --> 00:37:33.880
You could. give them weapon mastery or you could

00:37:33.880 --> 00:37:38.659
teach them to you know crochet all that kind

00:37:38.659 --> 00:37:41.059
of stuff no i mean the only thing about it that

00:37:41.059 --> 00:37:44.119
really i don't know if it was more of a continuity

00:37:44.119 --> 00:37:47.460
issue or if that was their intention was like

00:37:47.460 --> 00:37:52.159
it wasn't the end all be all like john spartan

00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:54.239
the main protagonist was able to kind of still

00:37:54.239 --> 00:37:58.000
work past those things even though they put it

00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:00.820
in his brain is like hardwired in he was still

00:38:00.820 --> 00:38:03.800
able to like why do i want to crochet all of

00:38:03.800 --> 00:38:07.019
a sudden and just kind of work past it yeah it

00:38:07.019 --> 00:38:09.019
was like an aggression response is all it was

00:38:09.019 --> 00:38:12.099
but now the the biggest thing between uh minority

00:38:12.099 --> 00:38:15.099
report and demolition man and cognify both of

00:38:15.099 --> 00:38:18.099
those required like long -term stasis for the

00:38:18.099 --> 00:38:20.739
treatment to work cognify is a very short -term

00:38:20.739 --> 00:38:23.500
deal but go ahead gibbs what did you say what

00:38:23.500 --> 00:38:25.340
i wanted to ask is something i didn't think about

00:38:25.340 --> 00:38:28.440
until now was you guys know about the nature

00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:30.219
versus nurture debate when it comes to people,

00:38:30.320 --> 00:38:34.139
where how much of it... So for the audience,

00:38:34.219 --> 00:38:36.780
it's the debate of how much of your personality

00:38:36.780 --> 00:38:39.559
and who you are is defined by nature as in how

00:38:39.559 --> 00:38:41.219
you were born versus nurture, how you were raised.

00:38:42.179 --> 00:38:46.619
Could we... Would it make more sense, rather

00:38:46.619 --> 00:38:49.980
than to add new memories, to just change people's

00:38:49.980 --> 00:38:51.099
memories from when they were younger to have

00:38:51.099 --> 00:38:52.880
them like a better upbringing, better family

00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:55.389
values, better family life maybe? better time

00:38:55.389 --> 00:38:59.429
in school, better time. Would that make more

00:38:59.429 --> 00:39:02.329
sense? That way you're not technically destroying

00:39:02.329 --> 00:39:05.929
anything or adding anything negative. You're

00:39:05.929 --> 00:39:08.710
just rebuilding them. Do you think that would

00:39:08.710 --> 00:39:12.610
work as a better alternative? So what we do then

00:39:12.610 --> 00:39:16.250
is once a child is a certain age, like eight

00:39:16.250 --> 00:39:19.289
or nine, we release them onto an island and then

00:39:19.289 --> 00:39:21.429
whoever comes out the strongest and survives.

00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:24.460
We then bring them back into the fold and then

00:39:24.460 --> 00:39:27.179
cognify them, and then they can go about their

00:39:27.179 --> 00:39:29.800
life. What are you, a technological Sparta? No,

00:39:29.920 --> 00:39:34.380
that's not. Enter, techno Sparta enters the chat.

00:39:34.880 --> 00:39:38.639
Jesus Christ. That's right. Looks at a bunch

00:39:38.639 --> 00:39:40.440
of nine -year -olds. Ah, yes, a fight to the

00:39:40.440 --> 00:39:49.389
death it is. No, it's not. I feel like. That's

00:39:49.389 --> 00:39:51.929
maybe more erasing the person that they were

00:39:51.929 --> 00:39:53.750
instead of changing the person that they're going

00:39:53.750 --> 00:39:59.469
to be. But I do see value in it as far as the

00:39:59.469 --> 00:40:05.650
ultimate goal of the outcome. Because at that

00:40:05.650 --> 00:40:07.230
point, you're going to more or less guarantee

00:40:07.230 --> 00:40:11.469
that there's not going to be recommission. The

00:40:11.469 --> 00:40:14.349
recidivism rate will drop to basically zero at

00:40:14.349 --> 00:40:17.409
that point. Because all the factors that led

00:40:17.409 --> 00:40:23.130
to the commissions of the crimes will mentally

00:40:23.130 --> 00:40:25.969
go away. Now, I know that does mean basically

00:40:25.969 --> 00:40:28.449
you are erasing the person. You're effectively

00:40:28.449 --> 00:40:30.210
destroying them. So is that considered murder?

00:40:30.630 --> 00:40:33.230
Are the memories of what a person has make them

00:40:33.230 --> 00:40:39.809
up was my ultimate question. I mean, yes and

00:40:39.809 --> 00:40:42.730
no. Are the memories of a person equivalent to

00:40:42.730 --> 00:40:46.489
their physical state? That this is the morality

00:40:46.489 --> 00:40:51.280
argument that I wanted to... bring up morality

00:40:51.280 --> 00:40:58.079
is a a big one in this because yeah you're you're

00:40:58.079 --> 00:41:03.619
um you're changing someone's baseline yeah because

00:41:03.619 --> 00:41:08.519
i because you always have the situations where

00:41:08.519 --> 00:41:11.019
like somebody's brain gets damaged and then they

00:41:11.019 --> 00:41:13.420
come out different like some people all of a

00:41:13.420 --> 00:41:15.300
sudden they're able to speak another language

00:41:15.300 --> 00:41:20.079
or Their accent changes or their personality

00:41:20.079 --> 00:41:24.119
changes. Some people become more violent. Other

00:41:24.119 --> 00:41:28.300
people become docile. You know, something about

00:41:28.300 --> 00:41:32.860
them completely changes. I had a grandmother

00:41:32.860 --> 00:41:39.159
that she got dementia and she went from I could

00:41:39.159 --> 00:41:41.599
talk to her about anything. We got along great

00:41:41.599 --> 00:41:44.809
to all of a sudden she hated me. yeah to the

00:41:44.809 --> 00:41:46.690
point she almost wanted to be violent it was

00:41:46.690 --> 00:41:50.329
insane i laughed my ass off but you know she

00:41:50.329 --> 00:41:53.329
thought i was the worst human being alive yeah

00:41:53.329 --> 00:42:03.610
so okay the compare the whole um compare the

00:42:03.610 --> 00:42:06.909
the therapies then you've got the the stasis

00:42:06.909 --> 00:42:09.929
with the passive and then the cognify with the

00:42:09.929 --> 00:42:16.500
active um Do you think it's better with the active

00:42:16.500 --> 00:42:19.099
reprogramming and the forced guilt regret? Or

00:42:19.099 --> 00:42:22.219
do you think it's better for the slow burn? I

00:42:22.219 --> 00:42:25.139
think it depends. Honestly, I need the data on

00:42:25.139 --> 00:42:26.760
that one. That's something that we'd have to

00:42:26.760 --> 00:42:28.760
explain to a bunch of violent criminals to see

00:42:28.760 --> 00:42:31.260
what happens. Because I think they have their

00:42:31.260 --> 00:42:34.110
uses. Yeah, definitely something more like a

00:42:34.110 --> 00:42:36.150
passive mental prison would be the case of like,

00:42:36.210 --> 00:42:39.269
wow, this person assaulted like 35 people and

00:42:39.269 --> 00:42:41.670
is a repeat offender. And clearly they're not

00:42:41.670 --> 00:42:44.650
scared of jail. Have fun in the abyss for 90

00:42:44.650 --> 00:42:48.690
,000 years. Good luck. But at the same point,

00:42:48.769 --> 00:42:52.510
at the same point, now you someone that like

00:42:52.510 --> 00:42:55.369
robbed a store, you know, I don't think that's

00:42:55.369 --> 00:42:58.329
the way to do it. You bring up a very special

00:42:58.329 --> 00:43:02.139
point there. Have fun in the abyss for 90 ,000

00:43:02.139 --> 00:43:07.960
years. Where does the line get drawn for, okay,

00:43:08.019 --> 00:43:13.480
we're going to instill mental prison punishments

00:43:13.480 --> 00:43:17.219
and the punishment is so far beyond what we could

00:43:17.219 --> 00:43:20.360
do in real life. But because now we have access

00:43:20.360 --> 00:43:23.480
to the mental realm, we can put them through

00:43:23.480 --> 00:43:25.800
all kinds of hell that we can, that we can literally

00:43:25.800 --> 00:43:29.239
imagine. Yeah. Right, but that comes into the

00:43:29.239 --> 00:43:33.099
whole ethics thing again. Are we willing to go

00:43:33.099 --> 00:43:37.380
and push ethics aside and figure out what's the

00:43:37.380 --> 00:43:40.820
line that we can tow before the human mind breaks?

00:43:41.139 --> 00:43:44.380
Here's the thing. If you have the right people

00:43:44.380 --> 00:43:48.460
in charge, yes, we're doing the rehab on here.

00:43:48.539 --> 00:43:50.820
Here's their rehab program. Here's what they're

00:43:50.820 --> 00:43:54.920
being put through. In reality, they're spending

00:43:54.920 --> 00:44:00.750
90 ,000 years in the abyss. yeah now is it the

00:44:00.750 --> 00:44:02.949
abyss of that you just don't see nothing hear

00:44:02.949 --> 00:44:05.469
nothing but you're you can hear yourself and

00:44:05.469 --> 00:44:08.050
dealer's choice make a program whatever you want

00:44:08.050 --> 00:44:11.090
exactly you can do it like almost like doctor

00:44:11.090 --> 00:44:13.309
strange where they're going through 90 000 different

00:44:13.309 --> 00:44:16.769
multiverses where you're just overloaded in every

00:44:16.769 --> 00:44:19.429
sense imaginable and here's the thing it's not

00:44:19.429 --> 00:44:21.170
it's not just visual limitations well you could

00:44:21.170 --> 00:44:23.889
talk about things like pain yep suffering yeah

00:44:23.889 --> 00:44:27.579
different emotions imagine imagine a a punishment

00:44:27.579 --> 00:44:29.659
where it's like every time you raise a family

00:44:29.659 --> 00:44:31.239
they're brutally murdered you do that over and

00:44:31.239 --> 00:44:33.659
over and over again for thousands of times for

00:44:33.659 --> 00:44:35.639
somebody like killed someone's family like you

00:44:35.639 --> 00:44:39.039
absolutely let them out nuts with the stuff but

00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:41.380
that's i guess part of the problem is you're

00:44:41.380 --> 00:44:44.820
talking about don't let them out well that but

00:44:44.820 --> 00:44:47.179
this is my i guess my concern is we're talking

00:44:47.179 --> 00:44:49.539
about more of like an endless limbo like a passive

00:44:49.539 --> 00:44:52.820
mental prison like what was used in those in

00:44:52.820 --> 00:44:56.030
that movie that's where we'd end up going. Cause

00:44:56.030 --> 00:44:58.210
I don't, I don't think of a scenario where nobody's

00:44:58.210 --> 00:44:59.909
going to mess with the program, especially with

00:44:59.909 --> 00:45:01.889
the way AI is going, not for nothing, but anything

00:45:01.889 --> 00:45:04.170
could be hackable. Yeah. Coming up soon, especially

00:45:04.170 --> 00:45:06.469
once quantum computing comes out. I mean, Jesus

00:45:06.469 --> 00:45:07.650
Christ, you're going to have people that are

00:45:07.650 --> 00:45:09.210
going to get their neural links low jacked and

00:45:09.210 --> 00:45:10.590
they're going to be sent to the abyss anyway.

00:45:10.949 --> 00:45:14.010
Yeah. So that's the other side. Maybe there are

00:45:14.010 --> 00:45:16.610
some people who aren't deemed worthy of rehab

00:45:16.610 --> 00:45:21.510
and they're just deemed to suffer permanent imprisonment.

00:45:22.309 --> 00:45:24.650
life imprisonment would take on a whole new role.

00:45:26.070 --> 00:45:31.070
All I know is if somebody like that was to accidentally

00:45:31.070 --> 00:45:33.510
get released or let out, because that does happen.

00:45:33.590 --> 00:45:35.349
People get released all the time. That shouldn't

00:45:35.349 --> 00:45:38.250
be. Imagine somebody going through something

00:45:38.250 --> 00:45:40.170
like that, and all of a sudden, for whatever

00:45:40.170 --> 00:45:43.090
reason, whatever's in control decides, eh, let

00:45:43.090 --> 00:45:46.550
them go. They don't get nothing rehab. They don't

00:45:46.550 --> 00:45:48.670
get medication. They don't get nothing. All they

00:45:48.670 --> 00:45:51.309
know is for a couple hundred years, like you

00:45:51.309 --> 00:45:53.150
said, they had a family. They're all murdered

00:45:53.150 --> 00:45:54.969
right in front of them in the most gruesome way,

00:45:55.030 --> 00:45:57.949
fashionably. Over and over and over. Over and

00:45:57.949 --> 00:46:00.349
over and over again. What that would do to the

00:46:00.349 --> 00:46:03.750
human psyche, I couldn't imagine what kind of

00:46:03.750 --> 00:46:05.889
monster would come walking out of the building

00:46:05.889 --> 00:46:08.769
that day. Let me tell you, there is not an art

00:46:08.769 --> 00:46:10.809
school in Austria that could do anything to prevent

00:46:10.809 --> 00:46:22.309
that. My other point with this, which is what

00:46:22.309 --> 00:46:24.769
if you get two birds with one stone? What if

00:46:24.769 --> 00:46:29.530
you get the punishment of someone and. And this

00:46:29.530 --> 00:46:31.750
is going to sound weird, but the usage of their

00:46:31.750 --> 00:46:34.730
body, for example, things like manual labor for

00:46:34.730 --> 00:46:36.929
tasks that you don't want to do or you can't

00:46:36.929 --> 00:46:39.670
pay people to do. Would it be the weird part

00:46:39.670 --> 00:46:43.139
that happens in prisons to where. your brain

00:46:43.139 --> 00:46:48.059
is hooked up to the brain friolator 9000, where

00:46:48.059 --> 00:46:50.320
you witness all the horrors of the human imagination

00:46:50.320 --> 00:46:53.119
for the next 90 ,000 years, while your body is

00:46:53.119 --> 00:46:55.300
like, I lift brick and put it down, because that

00:46:55.300 --> 00:46:58.880
is my job. I choose to be a robot. Because it's

00:46:58.880 --> 00:47:01.500
already there. It's already a useful tool. So

00:47:01.500 --> 00:47:03.920
I wonder if that is something that would happen

00:47:03.920 --> 00:47:06.239
to where the prison system would end up reforming

00:47:06.239 --> 00:47:08.800
to be like... almost like a dpw like department

00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:10.800
of public works that's like all right all the

00:47:10.800 --> 00:47:12.840
prisoners today are building a monument or they're

00:47:12.840 --> 00:47:14.719
building a new highway and they're just like

00:47:14.719 --> 00:47:16.980
mindless fucking drones you know beep bop lift

00:47:16.980 --> 00:47:19.840
thing down until like i said somebody for whatever

00:47:19.840 --> 00:47:22.940
reason accidentally gets released without any

00:47:22.940 --> 00:47:25.659
kind of reform for it and now they're just some

00:47:25.659 --> 00:47:28.719
kind of crazy monster that's loose in the public

00:47:28.719 --> 00:47:30.719
yeah what if you're gonna have to get put down

00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:35.309
they're never released Or they do that for 10

00:47:35.309 --> 00:47:36.809
years. They drop them in a country that we're

00:47:36.809 --> 00:47:38.130
at war with. So it's like, good luck dealing

00:47:38.130 --> 00:47:42.170
with this bastard. Oh, God. We just fucking hot

00:47:42.170 --> 00:47:45.610
drop them. See ya. Jesus. Use his body for the

00:47:45.610 --> 00:47:47.349
last 50 years. It's falling apart. Good luck

00:47:47.349 --> 00:47:50.469
dealing with this psycho. Oh, yeah. And he seems

00:47:50.469 --> 00:47:54.150
to think that all humans are tasty. Oh, God.

00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:01.800
Sorry, I know I keep bringing us off the rails

00:48:01.800 --> 00:48:03.639
with that. No, no, that's fine. Off the rails

00:48:03.639 --> 00:48:05.900
is great. I just like to drive the point home

00:48:05.900 --> 00:48:08.840
on this one, like being a very dead horse that

00:48:08.840 --> 00:48:12.219
it does not go where you think it goes. Yeah.

00:48:13.139 --> 00:48:17.199
This is not going to end well unless you keep

00:48:17.199 --> 00:48:22.300
some serious, serious guards in place, which

00:48:22.300 --> 00:48:25.739
we know very well from human history. That never

00:48:25.739 --> 00:48:29.010
happens. That's the only way something like this

00:48:29.010 --> 00:48:32.329
could not go bad. Yeah. This is one of those,

00:48:32.489 --> 00:48:35.590
like Gibb said, it's Pandora's box. And once

00:48:35.590 --> 00:48:38.929
you open that box, good luck putting this back

00:48:38.929 --> 00:48:40.829
in that box. The lid's not getting open. It's

00:48:40.829 --> 00:48:43.929
getting torn off and destroyed. Right. Yeah.

00:48:44.030 --> 00:48:48.190
Yeah, like you said, if you put the thought into

00:48:48.190 --> 00:48:51.730
somebody's head that everybody is a well -marbled

00:48:51.730 --> 00:48:56.840
human and they love steak. Yes, I love that.

00:48:56.980 --> 00:48:59.980
That's great. Here comes the other part I was

00:48:59.980 --> 00:49:01.840
thinking of is how do you know you're not in

00:49:01.840 --> 00:49:04.699
one of those? That then becomes the ultimate

00:49:04.699 --> 00:49:07.079
mindfuck of what's this technology becomes available?

00:49:07.659 --> 00:49:09.179
How do you know you weren't snatched in the middle

00:49:09.179 --> 00:49:11.500
of the night and put another, you're not in the

00:49:11.500 --> 00:49:14.579
system? Yep. How do you know? There is no way

00:49:14.579 --> 00:49:16.239
of knowing because in a system like that, unfortunately,

00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:17.460
if you're using your own memory, it's not like

00:49:17.460 --> 00:49:20.059
you're in a matrix or something you're uploaded

00:49:20.059 --> 00:49:23.639
to where the laws are different. No, it is entirely

00:49:23.639 --> 00:49:27.300
whatever is programmed. So congratulations. You're

00:49:27.300 --> 00:49:30.760
in your own brain. There is no way of figuring

00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:34.000
that one out. Well, not to mention the fact that

00:49:34.000 --> 00:49:35.980
you're then going to have people that are already

00:49:35.980 --> 00:49:40.519
mentally sensitive anyways. They're not all there.

00:49:40.599 --> 00:49:43.199
They're going to see this going on and go, how

00:49:43.199 --> 00:49:46.820
do I not know that I'm not in this? And then

00:49:46.820 --> 00:49:49.099
lose their freaking minds and start going on

00:49:49.099 --> 00:49:52.070
a shooting spree. Or they start kidnapping people,

00:49:52.250 --> 00:49:54.429
trying to get whoever they think is in charge

00:49:54.429 --> 00:49:57.170
of the system to release them back into the real

00:49:57.170 --> 00:50:01.510
world. You know, let me do what the polar opposite

00:50:01.510 --> 00:50:03.309
of everybody wants me to do, because clearly

00:50:03.309 --> 00:50:06.670
that's what the system wants me to do. Yeah.

00:50:08.289 --> 00:50:10.769
If people can go crazy thinking that aliens want

00:50:10.769 --> 00:50:13.269
to stick things up their butts. Sounds like the

00:50:13.269 --> 00:50:15.309
1980s. And imagine something like that being

00:50:15.309 --> 00:50:18.349
made public. I think that's maybe the differences.

00:50:18.449 --> 00:50:20.409
I think if this technology exists, it will never

00:50:20.409 --> 00:50:23.730
be made public. Because the CIA has too much

00:50:23.730 --> 00:50:27.150
to lose. Because if this technology was public,

00:50:27.269 --> 00:50:29.929
the first person and the first people and the

00:50:29.929 --> 00:50:31.590
last people to know about it would be the CIA.

00:50:33.110 --> 00:50:35.989
Because they would not let anybody know. Because

00:50:35.989 --> 00:50:38.340
if you even think you knew about it. All of a

00:50:38.340 --> 00:50:40.159
sudden, you would wake up the next day and like,

00:50:40.219 --> 00:50:42.179
wow, I won a million dollars, my family loves

00:50:42.179 --> 00:50:44.559
me, and everything's great, and kumbaya. Oh,

00:50:44.559 --> 00:50:49.739
shit, they got me. Yep, yep. You're in it. You're

00:50:49.739 --> 00:50:53.760
done. Wait, if that's the way it is, like, you

00:50:53.760 --> 00:50:55.500
know, on the island where, you know, you win

00:50:55.500 --> 00:50:57.340
the lottery, you go to the island, but in fact,

00:50:57.340 --> 00:50:59.840
they're harvesting organs. You find out tomorrow

00:50:59.840 --> 00:51:01.699
you won a million bucks, it's because the CIA

00:51:01.699 --> 00:51:06.139
has tapped you in. Yep. That's how we know. Those

00:51:06.139 --> 00:51:08.559
are the people that are getting snatched up by

00:51:08.559 --> 00:51:10.760
the CIA. Wouldn't that have been funny this entire

00:51:10.760 --> 00:51:13.159
time why California keeps having lottery winners?

00:51:13.380 --> 00:51:15.500
That's because they keep fighting fucking psychopaths

00:51:15.500 --> 00:51:18.239
to adopt them from the CIA. Just be like, ah,

00:51:18.320 --> 00:51:20.400
you think you won, fucker? You won the prize.

00:51:20.579 --> 00:51:24.960
Yeah, I'm here to collect my money. Yoink. Yeeted

00:51:24.960 --> 00:51:31.219
to the Harvest Center. Yep. So to everyone listening,

00:51:31.440 --> 00:51:35.340
we would like to hear from you on this. If this

00:51:35.340 --> 00:51:39.099
technology existed, would you cognify a loved

00:51:39.099 --> 00:51:42.719
one who committed a crime? Or if they needed

00:51:42.719 --> 00:51:48.119
to get through some trauma? Or do you think that

00:51:48.119 --> 00:51:52.099
it's worse than jail? Let us know in comments

00:51:52.099 --> 00:51:56.380
or some other method. Oh, God. Red flag laws

00:51:56.380 --> 00:52:02.070
and they put you on that. Oh. Man, dating would

00:52:02.070 --> 00:52:06.829
take on a whole different fucking ballgame. But

00:52:06.829 --> 00:52:08.949
I guess the difference with that program is you

00:52:08.949 --> 00:52:11.550
can't connect to another person's brain. So it

00:52:11.550 --> 00:52:15.070
would all be within yours. Yet. Because you bring

00:52:15.070 --> 00:52:18.269
that up. Just recently, they were able to transfer

00:52:18.269 --> 00:52:21.989
data between two people sleeping in different

00:52:21.989 --> 00:52:26.889
rooms. Oh, for fuck's sakes. Yes. Yeah. I don't

00:52:26.889 --> 00:52:28.909
want to share my nightmares with anybody because

00:52:28.909 --> 00:52:30.900
they're fucking weird. Oh, I want to share my

00:52:30.900 --> 00:52:32.980
nightmares. They're fun. No, I don't want you

00:52:32.980 --> 00:52:35.699
to share your nightmares. I don't want to know.

00:52:37.739 --> 00:52:41.280
Oh, my God. Why is everything phallic? I don't

00:52:41.280 --> 00:52:46.619
get it. I'm just going to be like, well, I know

00:52:46.619 --> 00:52:49.179
I'm in Pip's dreams. Oh, my God. This totally

00:52:49.179 --> 00:52:54.650
makes sense. So this brings us to the actual

00:52:54.650 --> 00:52:57.789
final topic, and we've already been kind of talking

00:52:57.789 --> 00:53:03.030
a bit about it. The darker side misuse and ethical

00:53:03.030 --> 00:53:08.610
minefields of this technology. Humans, as we

00:53:08.610 --> 00:53:11.690
all know, have a way of trying to turn any shiny

00:53:11.690 --> 00:53:16.409
new technology into a weapon. And this is absolutely

00:53:16.409 --> 00:53:18.750
one that would not be an exception to that rule.

00:53:20.050 --> 00:53:23.289
It all started with fire. Yeah, absolutely. Fire

00:53:23.289 --> 00:53:28.809
and pointy sticks and rocks even. We've talked

00:53:28.809 --> 00:53:30.530
about all the different movies that we've seen,

00:53:30.710 --> 00:53:38.010
TV shows and whatnot. So this just kind of opens

00:53:38.010 --> 00:53:42.809
up all different kinds of vectors for abuse of

00:53:42.809 --> 00:53:46.849
the technology. You've got consent and coercion.

00:53:47.909 --> 00:53:52.539
The prison choice may not be voluntary. People

00:53:52.539 --> 00:53:55.420
could be put into these situations under duress.

00:53:56.900 --> 00:54:01.320
1984. Yes, exactly. You have wrongful convictions.

00:54:01.940 --> 00:54:04.579
If innocent people are implanted with traumatic

00:54:04.579 --> 00:54:09.219
guilt, there's permanent damage there. How would

00:54:09.219 --> 00:54:14.019
they even know to go after recourse? It wouldn't.

00:54:14.039 --> 00:54:18.940
The correct memories could be overwritten. You've

00:54:18.940 --> 00:54:22.300
got private abuse. Abuse of partners and employers

00:54:22.300 --> 00:54:25.780
could implant loyalty or false memories into

00:54:25.780 --> 00:54:30.380
people and literally just make legal slaves.

00:54:31.820 --> 00:54:36.539
I mean, why not? You've got technology. On the

00:54:36.539 --> 00:54:40.019
mass scale, governments using this for dissidents

00:54:40.019 --> 00:54:43.619
or re -education camps or population control.

00:54:43.900 --> 00:54:45.920
Remember, kids, we're from the government. We're

00:54:45.920 --> 00:54:49.260
here to help. Right? That's everyone's favorite

00:54:49.260 --> 00:54:58.639
thing to say. Identity risks. Rewriting memories.

00:54:59.000 --> 00:55:04.260
Changing who you are. PTSD from overload. AI

00:55:04.260 --> 00:55:08.559
biases making it unfair. There's all kinds of

00:55:08.559 --> 00:55:11.099
different stuff that this could literally just...

00:55:11.099 --> 00:55:15.719
The straw that breaks the camel's back. The scenarios

00:55:15.719 --> 00:55:20.690
are endless. It's a slippery slope, and it starts

00:55:20.690 --> 00:55:24.170
with criminals and therapy and rehab. Then it

00:55:24.170 --> 00:55:26.170
goes into enhancement, like you were saying.

00:55:26.869 --> 00:55:30.309
And not before long, it becomes mandatory fixes

00:55:30.309 --> 00:55:34.269
or tweaks. And society is going to be, oh, you

00:55:34.269 --> 00:55:37.510
can't go here without this augment or this upgrade.

00:55:37.829 --> 00:55:39.789
You have to have your upgrade paperwork before

00:55:39.789 --> 00:55:44.329
you can get into here. And we just went through

00:55:44.329 --> 00:55:48.300
some of that not too long ago. With vaccine passports.

00:55:49.500 --> 00:55:52.360
Oh, yeah. So how long is it going to be before

00:55:52.360 --> 00:55:55.460
you have your Cognify passports? Your memory

00:55:55.460 --> 00:56:01.659
therapy passports. And then you've got the neuroethics

00:56:01.659 --> 00:56:05.280
angle. Privacy of thought. Like you said, 1984.

00:56:05.760 --> 00:56:08.760
Privacy of thought is literally the last vestige

00:56:08.760 --> 00:56:12.360
of human privacy that can remain in today's age.

00:56:12.840 --> 00:56:17.590
It's the authenticity of self. Inequality would

00:56:17.590 --> 00:56:23.090
be the last kind of bastion of everything because

00:56:23.090 --> 00:56:26.210
the rich would be able to buy better outcomes

00:56:26.210 --> 00:56:29.530
in life. They already can, but when it comes

00:56:29.530 --> 00:56:35.570
to the memory field, they win, period. It would

00:56:35.570 --> 00:56:37.829
be the last thing that could keep people moving

00:56:37.829 --> 00:56:40.929
up the economic ladder that could be taken away

00:56:40.929 --> 00:56:44.550
would be information or the ability to learn.

00:56:45.179 --> 00:56:47.739
access to information yeah i believe infinite

00:56:47.739 --> 00:56:50.440
information well that's the thing at any one

00:56:50.440 --> 00:56:53.500
time but that also would mean is that most information

00:56:53.500 --> 00:56:57.059
would be controlled via that method so it basically

00:56:57.059 --> 00:56:59.480
may be like bring back like a feudal caste system

00:56:59.480 --> 00:57:02.000
kind of thing to where once you're part of the

00:57:02.000 --> 00:57:05.179
you know the informed class you're allowed to

00:57:05.179 --> 00:57:06.800
take on any information you want but if you're

00:57:06.800 --> 00:57:08.440
just part of the working class you don't need

00:57:08.440 --> 00:57:11.019
to know that yep you don't need to learn that

00:57:14.649 --> 00:57:19.010
So do you guys see this as an end to mass incarceration

00:57:19.010 --> 00:57:24.070
or is it more of a lead into a dystopian future?

00:57:25.610 --> 00:57:28.670
I'll be honest. I feel like rich people would

00:57:28.670 --> 00:57:31.190
use it before prisons do because prisons don't

00:57:31.190 --> 00:57:34.750
make as much money. So here's the way I look

00:57:34.750 --> 00:57:36.050
at it. Is there going to be rich people that

00:57:36.050 --> 00:57:38.230
say, I want to be able to live forever? I want

00:57:38.230 --> 00:57:40.030
to be able to know everything so I can grow my

00:57:40.030 --> 00:57:41.949
influence, my empire, my whatever, my legacy.

00:57:42.719 --> 00:57:45.000
The minute this becomes possible, if the CIA

00:57:45.000 --> 00:57:49.019
doesn't cover it up, somebody like Jeff Bezos

00:57:49.019 --> 00:57:51.500
or Elon Musk or one of those types, I think Elon

00:57:51.500 --> 00:57:54.300
would be the first person in line for this. Yep.

00:57:54.380 --> 00:57:58.199
They would end up committing to that 100%. Because

00:57:58.199 --> 00:58:00.260
here's the way I look at it, too. If you can,

00:58:00.539 --> 00:58:03.079
like you were talking about, once you can alter,

00:58:03.139 --> 00:58:06.380
manipulate, or copy memories, you are basically

00:58:06.380 --> 00:58:08.300
immortal at that point. So regardless of how

00:58:08.300 --> 00:58:12.909
you use it. You are basically de facto the most,

00:58:12.949 --> 00:58:15.369
maybe not the most intelligent, but you'd be

00:58:15.369 --> 00:58:19.489
the most knowledgeable human in existence. Because

00:58:19.489 --> 00:58:21.369
anything you want is at your fingertips at any

00:58:21.369 --> 00:58:23.030
point in time. You can experience anything you

00:58:23.030 --> 00:58:24.949
want, do anything you want. As long as the information

00:58:24.949 --> 00:58:28.170
you're feeding to your brain is accurate, you

00:58:28.170 --> 00:58:32.409
own everything. That's it. You can own anything.

00:58:32.489 --> 00:58:37.489
You can learn any skill, any patented ideas,

00:58:37.670 --> 00:58:41.820
anything. So how could you not dominate every

00:58:41.820 --> 00:58:45.760
sector of any economy, any industrial sector,

00:58:45.880 --> 00:58:49.099
anything? Just don't be able to hire teams of

00:58:49.099 --> 00:58:51.019
thousands of people to do stuff. If you could

00:58:51.019 --> 00:58:55.000
just do it all yourself. Your only competition

00:58:55.000 --> 00:58:57.239
at that point would be the other people that

00:58:57.239 --> 00:59:01.539
are doing it. Yeah. That's why the first person

00:59:01.539 --> 00:59:04.079
that makes it owns it and they own the IP and

00:59:04.079 --> 00:59:06.780
then they win. Yeah. It's really the ultimate

00:59:06.780 --> 00:59:08.199
arms race for something like that. If you're

00:59:08.199 --> 00:59:09.820
the first company, the first person that can

00:59:09.820 --> 00:59:11.719
do it, congratulations. You now own thought.

00:59:12.199 --> 00:59:14.920
Thought is yours. You win. You've won the game.

00:59:15.079 --> 00:59:17.539
The game of humanity, the simulation that we're

00:59:17.539 --> 00:59:21.280
in, you've won. Congratulations. That's it. Yeah.

00:59:23.099 --> 00:59:30.260
So some last kind of thoughts on this. It is

00:59:30.260 --> 00:59:33.940
real science. All the pieces do technically exist.

00:59:34.599 --> 00:59:38.579
Or are coming into existence. But the Cognify

00:59:38.579 --> 00:59:43.019
level tech itself is still, thankfully, contained

00:59:43.019 --> 00:59:46.980
in the lab. I think it's a good debate topic

00:59:46.980 --> 00:59:50.440
for where we draw the lines as far as mental

00:59:50.440 --> 01:00:01.039
ethics and mental AI interface future. The big

01:00:01.039 --> 01:00:03.659
questions that I have for the listeners mostly.

01:00:04.909 --> 01:00:09.250
Is forced empathy better than punishment? Is

01:00:09.250 --> 01:00:12.289
something like Cognify better or worse than the

01:00:12.289 --> 01:00:15.449
current methods of rehabilitation? Would you

01:00:15.449 --> 01:00:19.769
guys listening trust governments or private companies

01:00:19.769 --> 01:00:22.789
with your memories? Would either of you guys,

01:00:22.849 --> 01:00:27.670
because I know I sure as fuck wouldn't. No. Could

01:00:27.670 --> 01:00:31.510
you imagine going to work instead of an NDA?

01:00:32.159 --> 01:00:34.500
You're agreeing to them erase your memories during

01:00:34.500 --> 01:00:37.159
the day after you leave work so you don't remember

01:00:37.159 --> 01:00:38.900
what it was you were even fucking working on?

01:00:38.980 --> 01:00:42.360
Paycheck. That movie Paycheck. That's what they

01:00:42.360 --> 01:00:44.920
did. Yeah. They erased his memories after he

01:00:44.920 --> 01:00:53.019
worked on the project. Yeah. So then if you guys

01:00:53.019 --> 01:00:56.760
have any thoughts or ways that this tech... Go

01:00:56.760 --> 01:00:58.760
ahead, Gibbs. I was going to say the only thing

01:00:58.760 --> 01:01:01.099
you've taught me as soon as Cognify has an IPO,

01:01:01.340 --> 01:01:04.380
I have to invest. Oh, I think we all do. Yeah,

01:01:04.440 --> 01:01:07.019
that's true too. That's going to be big. If everything

01:01:07.019 --> 01:01:09.719
you're saying is true and this all happens, it'll

01:01:09.719 --> 01:01:11.380
be the biggest company in human history by like

01:01:11.380 --> 01:01:14.579
a country mile. Yeah. This is not financial advice.

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Do not. We are not financial experts. No, not

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at all. That being said, I know where my money

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is going. Yeah. So if you guys. Have any thoughts

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on this? Please send them our way. Questions

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on potential uses or thoughts on uses. Ways to

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be used for addiction treatment. Skill uploads

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like in the Matrix. I know we've talked a lot

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about that. For me, yes, please. Give me all

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the skills. Let me learn how to do all the things.

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So here's another question I guess I was having.

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I know this is like the end of the episode, but

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like a last minute question. sure would we then

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have to overcome the capacity for memory like

01:02:01.690 --> 01:02:06.909
a brain limitation so that was a limiting factor

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where it's like hey you can learn all these things

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but you can hold roughly this amount of memories

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we don't know the exact things every brain's

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different so you're gonna have a chance of losing

01:02:14.809 --> 01:02:18.260
something to your buddy like So, cause I was

01:02:18.260 --> 01:02:20.880
going to say there is a limit because they always

01:02:20.880 --> 01:02:23.579
say like everybody has like a PhD and stuff.

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They're not all quite there because they've learned

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so much information that they start losing things.

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Yeah. I, I, we, we don't have a defined upper

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limit for human memory. But if this technology

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becomes accessible, that upper limit may become

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irrelevant. Because if the memories are able

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to be stored and swapped at will, especially,

01:02:48.349 --> 01:02:51.510
think about the Neuralink. If you've got the

01:02:51.510 --> 01:02:53.889
Neuralink and you can just access memories via

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the cloud or something like that, you may not

01:02:56.530 --> 01:02:59.409
be able to recall it instantly, but you could

01:02:59.409 --> 01:03:03.730
get it near instantly. Either via web search,

01:03:03.769 --> 01:03:06.590
AI interface, or just actual recalled memory

01:03:06.590 --> 01:03:10.039
via your cloud bank. So does that mean you're

01:03:10.039 --> 01:03:12.659
basically uploading live telemetry from all of

01:03:12.659 --> 01:03:15.300
your senses and everything onto the human cloud?

01:03:16.380 --> 01:03:19.519
Possibly. Potentially, yeah. That would be terrifying

01:03:19.519 --> 01:03:23.179
having recorded live telemetry of my body because

01:03:23.179 --> 01:03:25.820
Jesus Christ, the amount of farts over my lifetime.

01:03:26.360 --> 01:03:32.260
Jesus Christ. Hey, talk about your end of life

01:03:32.260 --> 01:03:37.739
stat report. God damn it. Now I'm committed.

01:03:37.920 --> 01:03:44.199
That's my problem. God. Oh, you got me on that

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one. You know, you're welcome. Man, I'm going

01:03:47.539 --> 01:03:49.800
to force it in early. Just so in my dying breath,

01:03:49.880 --> 01:03:54.179
I can say. Save my sense. One of my stats. How

01:03:54.179 --> 01:03:56.059
many times I shit myself? Ah, less than you.

01:03:56.079 --> 01:04:05.789
I win. I win. Oh, shit. So. Neurotech could transform

01:04:05.789 --> 01:04:09.449
our lives or erase free will. Let us know what

01:04:09.449 --> 01:04:15.750
your take is. And with that, ladies, gentlemen,

01:04:15.789 --> 01:04:21.369
and all other sentient beings, we have come to

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the end of the episode. So right. This thing

01:04:26.369 --> 01:04:29.969
on Pluto. Possibly. Possibly. That's terrifying.

01:04:30.530 --> 01:04:38.869
I know they're seeing it on Uranus. It was good.

01:04:39.190 --> 01:04:42.369
Oh, God help us. If that was first contact, it

01:04:42.369 --> 01:04:45.650
was this goddamn podcast. Oh, Christ. Oh, Jesus.

01:04:47.510 --> 01:04:49.610
I see Independence Day in our future if that's

01:04:49.610 --> 01:04:54.610
the case. Yep. Got to eradicate the human race

01:04:54.610 --> 01:05:00.710
now. So as far as the rest of the show goes,

01:05:00.889 --> 01:05:04.739
as always, thank you guys for listening. We hope

01:05:04.739 --> 01:05:08.380
you enjoyed the show. We'll be back next week

01:05:08.380 --> 01:05:11.480
with hopefully another good show, good topic.

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We'll have some more information. We'll have

01:05:18.019 --> 01:05:20.579
some more information on all the other stuff

01:05:20.579 --> 01:05:24.559
we got cooking off on the back burners. Until

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then, we'll see you all next time.