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I'm your host, Pip. Tonight, as always, are my

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co -hosts, Gibbles and Gibbs. Hi. Welcome back

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to the new year, everybody. It has been a hell

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of a rollercoaster ride. We are 11 days in, and

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we've already seen more news than we should have

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seen in 11 days than 30 days. Well, I will say

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I did not have him on bingo card for 2026 as

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Maduro getting swiped to the U .S. He got yeeted

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out of his bed like a pumpkin out of a pumpkin

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launcher. It was amazing. Oh, yeah. And the stories

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that are coming out of Venezuela about what we

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did. We're going to most likely do a whole episode

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on the Maduro thing, but all of that happened

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as this episode was getting written, and I didn't

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want to derail. So we'll just do an episode on

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that. So before we get too far in, I did want

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to kind of go over a few things. We're going

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to ask for your guys' help. I know I swore in

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end of the summer. There's going to be more information

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on that, but everything is still moving forward

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with that. So try to keep some time available

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if you want to attend. I need to take the time

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off for that. Please make sure you have that

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working on the merch. I'm hoping to have that

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available probably by spring, if possible. Because

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I know once I get into spring, my side business

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is going to be gearing up and I will have no

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time for the side stuff. So hopefully we'll have

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the merch ready to roll by spring. Hopefully

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I get my lighter fixed on my 3D printer and we

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can get some manly masks printed. Hells yeah.

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I never thought about that. Yeah, we're going

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to have... I'm working on it. We're going to

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have all kinds of cool shit, dude. Some of the

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stuff we haven't even had a chance to tell you

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about because with everything that you've been

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doing, you've just been... I know. You've been

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fucking gone. I know. Life's been very hard.

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It's been non -consensually lifing. It did not

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ask me for anything. So, I don't know. It is

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what it is sometimes, but we're getting through

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it. That's why I've been doing so well lately.

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The universe took its thumb off me for a while

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and found Gibbs. It's been my turn. He is the

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universal fleshlight right now. Yeah, it's fine.

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It's okay. So tonight's episode, we are going

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to talk about some things that have been going

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on in the workplace. AI has been at the center

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of a lot of discussions. on this channel, among

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other places. And job replacement has been kind

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of at the forefront of all that. This whole thing

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kind of boiled down from a discussion that I

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had had with an engineer friend at work. And

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the gist of it kind of came down to something

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that he had said. AI makes the easy things easier

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and the hard things harder. And that and some

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various Reddit posts, I know Reddit is a hell

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hole and a rabbit hole in and of itself, but

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kind of got everything turning in my head. And

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I did a lot more research and looking into all

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this. And a lot of people either are extremely

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concerned or actively seeing jobs going away

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and being replaced by various forms of AI and

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computerized automation. So something that I

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felt that it was worth talking about was the

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fact that we're weaving together three distinct

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but overlapping crises. We have incompetent leadership,

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people who are getting put into positions of

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power and authority, who are firing people who

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are capable of doing work and placing them with

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the AI agent, the automation. The death of the

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career ladder, you don't see people sticking

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around for the 10, 15, 20 years and getting all

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the knowledge to know all the things because

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it just doesn't happen anymore. It's not worth

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it to you. And the physical skill gap. You've

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got people who are coming out of college with

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all the knowledge on paper to build these wonderful,

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amazing things. But if you give them... a box

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of parts and a bunch of tools, they're completely

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useless and they have no idea what to do with

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it. We were making the joke at work that we've

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got a lot of theoretical engineers in various

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disciplines. They will ask technicians to do

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the engineer work that they should rightfully

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know how to do. I feel like the title of engineering

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technician is something that should be more applied

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or pushed for because you've got people who are

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jack of all trades kind of people in the workplace

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that are like the go -to guys or go -to people

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at their place. I'm sure you both have seen those

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people. I'm sure you guys might even be those

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people. Or are you guys listening? Any input

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on that? I always think of, there's a very famous

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quote from Fallout New Vegas, which is there's

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basically a scientist that's working at a station,

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and he says, they asked me if I had a degree

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in physics, and I said I had a theoretical degree

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in physics, and they said you're hired. Paraphrasing,

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but effectively, one of the things that I think

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people don't realize is Most knowledge and experience

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or really the ability to know how to do certain

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tasks is predicated on the knowledge of how to

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do things below them. So you can't just start

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off immediately knowing how to build computer

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processes without understanding like basic electrical

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theory, basic wire, basic things. It's the culmination

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of all that knowledge, all those layers and different

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disciplines. And one of the problems you're having

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is we've as a society have had. We've spent probably

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the last 60, 80 years of people becoming really

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good at one very specific thing. But then what

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happens when you introduce something like AI

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that can not only be very, very good at researching

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one thing, but then not knowing how to actually

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apply it, is now we have... almost entire generation

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of people that are coming right out of college

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that they are very knowledgeable in terms of

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how things in a book value or an academic way

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can be used but no fucking clue how any of it

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is applied or how to have any sort of creativity

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because unfortunately in most colleges and universities

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creativity is not something that is fostered

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or studied or replicated even taught in any way.

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It's a lot of it is a plus B equals C, or this

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is the answer we're looking for. How do you get

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to this? And I'm not saying it's for all things

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in every discipline and every everything, but

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you can see it by the people that are coming

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out of educated systems, whether it be almost

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any discipline, I hate to say it in almost any

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discipline. Creativity is, is actually forbidden

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to almost to the point in a lot of colleges.

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It's, it's very frowned upon creativity and free

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thought. Yeah. indoctrination though on the other

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hand oh yeah well i think it comes from just

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basic problem solving where the method isn't

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necessarily laid out for you it's how are you

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going to fix the problem and justifying your

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answer which is not something that's done as

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much as it should be in a lot of disciplines

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yeah but so i i've got everything kind of broken

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down here um We've got the case of the press

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button executive. So you've got the shortcut

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to power. That's where you've got all these people

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coming out of college, and they have these nice,

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pretty, shiny, sparkly certificates of paper

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that say, I know all of this stuff. I can do

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this job. And then they're placed into the position

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of manager or project lead. All of a sudden,

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you've got this 20 -something with zero real

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-world experience who is suddenly in charge of

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the lives of a handful of people. They're just

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coming out of college. They have exposure and

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experience with the newest, latest, and greatest

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technology out there. But these people have been

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working with technology older than that person

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themselves. Their first thought is, let's replace

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all of it. Because I know of some stuff that's

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way more efficient, and it's going to be cost

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-effective, and it's going to do all these people's

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jobs by itself. We can replace 25 people with

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one AI bot, and it's going to cost $10 ,000 and

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save the company millions, and it's going to

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be wonderful. Ask Klarna how that turned out.

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They fired 700 people. And replaced it with a

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chat bot. They had to rehire almost every single

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person that they let go. And I bet you everyone

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that they hired negotiated for a higher salary

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than the people that they let go. Yes, they did.

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So it's a net loss. Get fucked! We'll go into

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that one a little bit further. But you have to

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realize it's not an age attack at that point.

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It's an experience attack because they didn't

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climb that ladder. They're not... one of those

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people that worked their way up those rungs through

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the company. They don't know what a solid foundation

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looks like for that company. They're building

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a corporate skyscraper on the sand because an

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AI told you that the sand was statistically stable

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at that point. So it's kind of a mirage of efficiency,

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more or less. The AI will make things... but

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not necessarily better because you've got incompetent

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leaders mistaking lowered overhead for increased

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value. So I'll let that one sink in. If you have,

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if you're listening to this and you've got any

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experience with this at your workplace or in

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your life, please let us know because I'm only.

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Going off of what I've been able to see in my

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research. And yes, Gibbles, I know you've. I

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want you to chime in here in a second. But let

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us know, because just the research that we have

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found. We have enough that this episode was at

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least worth doing. But Gibbles, go ahead. After

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you take your drink. Yes. So. Like in my job

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that I'm currently doing. Some days enjoying.

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I've been told that turnaround time on just training

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somebody to do my job is like two years. And

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that's just fixing copy machines. Yeah. And then

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the fact that they're. Oh, damn it. I lost my

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train of thought. Repeat the question again,

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because I got all excited. Yeah, I'm sorry. God,

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it's early, man. Oh, no, it's not that. I was

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saying that people getting replaced by the younger

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people that didn't climb the corporate ladder.

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Yeah, we also have that issue, too. The constant

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churn of new employees who think they know what's

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best. And then find out really fast that no,

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that's not going to work. And then they're gone.

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Yeah. And then you get the next set in and they

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have zero experience. And because everybody's

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being told this is how it's done. But let's not

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look at what the real world situation is. So

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then you get all these geniuses that think they

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know what they're doing, don't want to listen

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to nobody, and then find out really fast that,

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no, you're a moron. You need to listen to the

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people with the experience. And next thing you

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know, they're not working there anymore. Yeah.

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There's a Forrester research that found 55 %

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of bosses. who fired people for AI, already regret

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it. Like you said, Lerna. Yeah, they fired the

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experts that they had on site for a future promise

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that didn't yet exist. And then they're suddenly

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realizing that an AI agent cannot solve $3 million

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an hour manufacturing crisis. So those people

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aren't just losing jobs, they're losing the institutional

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memory required to fix the world. Right. And

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that's the kind of tribal knowledge that you

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get with different people climbing the ladder

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and sticking around to actually run the place.

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Well, yeah, in my job, I mean, I was going to

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say real quick, like in my job specifically,

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there is quite a bit of information that is out

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on the Internet that you could use to do the

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job that I do fixing the copy machines. However.

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There is still a lot that, you know, just for

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me doing research on my own, just seeing, you

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know, what's out there to see what kind of, you

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know, cheats and tricks and stuff like that.

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The people that have knowledge, way more than

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I do, that's put it out there. And then still

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every once in a while, the AI coming back with,

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you know, I actually don't know because the company

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did not release that information. So, yeah, it's.

00:16:18.279 --> 00:16:20.620
good stuff there but then there's times where

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if it's not on the internet and it's not public

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yeah it just takes experience you know so then

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that kind of brings us into the death of the

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ladder and the barbell workforce um we've already

00:16:36.460 --> 00:16:38.179
kind of talked about the the death of the climb

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but the hollowing of the middle uh since 2022

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Entry -level hiring in AI -exposed fields has

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dropped from between 13 % and 20%, according

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to Stanford and SignalFire data. So we're creating

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a barbell structure, which is a few expensive

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aging seniors at one end and a mass of AI agents

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at the other. A little bit of a side note, since

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late 22, Early career workers aged 22 to 25 in

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those fields, they've seen a 13 % relative decline

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in employment, while senior roles in the exact

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same job stayed stable or grew by up to 9%. That

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was in that same study. So I'll let that sink.

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People who are able to stay at their jobs are

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staying longer. Well, it's like once you've reached

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a certain point in some companies where you're

00:17:41.940 --> 00:17:44.359
upper echelons of management, you're not going

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to leave. But it's also the case that's probably

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the few jobs that have also grown with inflation

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or beat inflation. So that's why they're staying.

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There's also cases where they can't afford to

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let you go. And they will literally pay you whatever

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they can keep you for as long as they can. Because

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unfortunately, they didn't train anyone else

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below them. I saw that at my job. A gentleman

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who was in his 80s just retired last year. I've

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spoken about it before on the show. In his 80s.

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No man should have to, no person should be working

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in their 80s. Now, he did do it because he wanted

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to. But still. That's rare. There was a part

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of him that was there because he kind of needed

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to. Because his level of knowledge, there was

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nobody behind him for a while. But this is what

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happens when you have companies that no longer

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reward people, like the younger generation. They

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don't reward you for sticking around with a company,

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so what happens is none of us do. One of the

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things I've noticed, I don't know. I've actually

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asked around because this has been something

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I've talked with my friends a few times about.

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So I'm 30. 31? 30? God, 32? Anyways, I don't

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even know. I thought I was bad. I know I'm past

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29, so I don't really care. Numbers don't matter.

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It's all a lie. But the point I'm getting at

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is like there's a lot of people that just don't

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end up staying and that there's no one to replace

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them. No one stays long term. There's no upper

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management or middle management. That's the problem.

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It's like this huge decline in middle management

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that's just ceased to exist in a lot of companies.

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Or you get management that thinks they know what

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the hell they're doing and they run a business

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into the ground. Seen that a lot too. And it's

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also like if you're constantly changing management,

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it's they're always changing their styles or

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expectations or what their goals are. So there's

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no like good set data to pull from. Like something

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I noticed from a previous company I worked at

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was they had so many changes in management that

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they had like an eight year time span where every

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single year that their sales and goals fluctuated

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with all their projects. And it was like, how

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the hell do you know if anything's working? If

00:20:00.880 --> 00:20:02.519
every year you get a new management company come

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in. It completely wipes the board. It's like,

00:20:05.329 --> 00:20:12.950
how are you this stupid? Yeah, it's, when you're

00:20:12.950 --> 00:20:14.750
in those kinds of companies and you look around,

00:20:14.809 --> 00:20:16.990
you're like, how do you people not see this?

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Some of it is they do, and they just can't get

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the solutions in place to fix it in time. And

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a lot of the other times it's just money, like

00:20:26.589 --> 00:20:30.730
corporate structures above won't fund the solution

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because it's not cost effective. And then on

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the flip side of that, how is it not cost effective

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when that person leaves and takes 30 years of

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knowledge with them that nobody else has? There

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is no AI that will replace your experience. Not

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yet anyways. We're probably 30, 40 years before

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that would happen. Okay, you said that phrase.

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I was going to save this for after I was through

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this section, but I'm just going to go ahead

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and read this. I left this as a comment on a

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post in Reddit. I wanted to read it because I

00:21:03.509 --> 00:21:07.069
thought that it hit a very specific note. We

00:21:07.069 --> 00:21:09.970
have spoken about the importance of the trades

00:21:09.970 --> 00:21:13.730
on this show many, many times. And I think now

00:21:13.730 --> 00:21:17.250
more than ever, it's more important to push that

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for our up and coming generations of workers.

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And here's what I wrote. Skilled trades, at least

00:21:26.650 --> 00:21:28.930
here in America, will most likely be the biggest

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growing and hardest to replace or outsource.

00:21:31.680 --> 00:21:34.519
over the next 10 years. Beyond that, there might

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be robots available that can do some of the work,

00:21:36.859 --> 00:21:38.880
but there are a lot of industries where a human

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will always be needed. So over 20 years, I think

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it will be a mix of human and robotic -assisted

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grades. I had mentioned the conversation about

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the theoretical engineers, and I kind of went

00:21:51.839 --> 00:21:57.799
into that. Customer service technicians get a

00:21:57.799 --> 00:22:01.150
bad rap because they are a technician. The use

00:22:01.150 --> 00:22:02.690
of technician kind of gets thrown around pretty

00:22:02.690 --> 00:22:05.390
loosely. But the customer service technician,

00:22:05.589 --> 00:22:07.329
I interface with the customer to handle a complaint.

00:22:07.690 --> 00:22:10.329
The oil service technician, I change the oil

00:22:10.329 --> 00:22:12.990
in your car. And the geek squad technician, I

00:22:12.990 --> 00:22:14.829
hook your computer up to a remote service that

00:22:14.829 --> 00:22:17.789
does the work because I don't know how to. So

00:22:17.789 --> 00:22:22.750
the technician is getting undervalued in the

00:22:22.750 --> 00:22:27.990
main workplace. I think that there's going to

00:22:27.990 --> 00:22:29.650
be some sort of a reckoning between the trades

00:22:29.650 --> 00:22:32.349
and the colleges, especially in regards to AI

00:22:32.349 --> 00:22:34.589
and how it's utilized in the various fields of

00:22:34.589 --> 00:22:38.309
our world. Other jobs that require degrees now

00:22:38.309 --> 00:22:40.390
may be replaced by people who learn to efficiently

00:22:40.390 --> 00:22:44.730
prompt AI and can do so well enough to replace

00:22:44.730 --> 00:22:49.029
multiple workers at a fraction of the cost. And

00:22:49.029 --> 00:22:51.710
with the singularity rapidly approaching, I don't

00:22:51.710 --> 00:22:55.029
think there's one, I don't think it's one that

00:22:55.029 --> 00:22:58.940
we're all worried about. This is the one I fear

00:22:58.940 --> 00:23:02.519
where the black hole that sucks everyone in is

00:23:02.519 --> 00:23:05.599
our own apathy towards other issues and overarching

00:23:05.599 --> 00:23:08.059
greed of the corporations that wield the AI.

00:23:09.259 --> 00:23:13.380
Yeah. So. It'll be the ones that have so much

00:23:13.380 --> 00:23:15.680
money they don't even give a shit anymore. Yeah,

00:23:15.720 --> 00:23:20.319
because they can afford to survive it. Yep. So.

00:23:23.400 --> 00:23:28.130
But yeah, the. The changing corporate structure,

00:23:28.269 --> 00:23:32.930
I mean, we've got entirely too many people dependent

00:23:32.930 --> 00:23:38.809
on the wrong people in the wrong place. So how

00:23:38.809 --> 00:23:42.910
do you get a senior in 10 years if you fired

00:23:42.910 --> 00:23:48.470
all the juniors today? The grunt work was where

00:23:48.470 --> 00:23:51.150
all the tribal knowledge gets absorbed. And so

00:23:51.150 --> 00:23:55.140
over a set number of years, you have... the biggest

00:23:55.140 --> 00:23:58.740
black hole of skills knowledge just developing

00:23:58.740 --> 00:24:01.460
and growing, and it will eat the companies from

00:24:01.460 --> 00:24:09.640
within. So then you have the whole Klarna situation.

00:24:10.000 --> 00:24:12.920
When you replace a department with an AI agent

00:24:12.920 --> 00:24:19.720
like Dukan or Dukan, D -U -K -A -N, or as in

00:24:19.720 --> 00:24:21.720
the case of Klarna, you aren't just saving money.

00:24:22.480 --> 00:24:24.279
You are performing a lobotomy. What the hell

00:24:24.279 --> 00:24:27.880
was that? I don't know if you said duking. I

00:24:27.880 --> 00:24:34.519
just thought of duking. Yeah, sorry. Sorry. Yeah,

00:24:34.559 --> 00:24:35.980
you're performing a lobotomy on the company.

00:24:37.059 --> 00:24:40.440
And then you're forced to rehire or just hire

00:24:40.440 --> 00:24:45.980
new. And then you're reset and pushed back several

00:24:45.980 --> 00:24:51.970
months to even years in your production. There's

00:24:51.970 --> 00:24:58.529
a rehiring trend. By later this year, many companies

00:24:58.529 --> 00:25:02.549
are quietly rehiring humans after realizing that

00:25:02.549 --> 00:25:05.750
AI, in fact, cannot handle the edge cases that

00:25:05.750 --> 00:25:11.230
they could. Yeah, I know, right? 55%. I already

00:25:11.230 --> 00:25:16.309
read that. Yes. Yeah, 55 % of companies are already

00:25:16.309 --> 00:25:22.480
regretting the AI -driven layoffs. something

00:25:22.480 --> 00:25:26.019
else because they're all go ahead oh no i was

00:25:26.019 --> 00:25:27.799
gonna say because they're all the same you know

00:25:27.799 --> 00:25:30.460
if you take the time to like oh let me talk to

00:25:30.460 --> 00:25:33.559
it it always is exactly the same doesn't matter

00:25:33.559 --> 00:25:37.000
which ai you're using it's always the same bs

00:25:37.000 --> 00:25:40.119
it and you can absolutely i'm getting to the

00:25:40.119 --> 00:25:42.480
point now when i'm using it i can tell that you

00:25:42.480 --> 00:25:44.180
know i'm not talking to a person i'm talking

00:25:44.180 --> 00:25:48.859
to an algorithm yeah so i wanted to kind of go

00:25:48.859 --> 00:25:51.299
over some things that we found to include for

00:25:51.299 --> 00:25:56.440
this. New graduates now account for just 7 %

00:25:56.440 --> 00:26:00.339
of new hires at big tech firms. That represents

00:26:00.339 --> 00:26:05.180
a 25 % drop from 2023 levels. So if you're coming

00:26:05.180 --> 00:26:09.000
out of college, you maybe have a 7 % chance of

00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:14.440
getting a job, a degree. Underwater basket weaving

00:26:14.440 --> 00:26:18.400
for the wind. Exactly right. Entry -level job

00:26:18.400 --> 00:26:22.640
postings in quarter one of 2025 were 45 % below

00:26:22.640 --> 00:26:25.960
the five -year average, which is lower than even

00:26:25.960 --> 00:26:28.359
the early months of the COVID -19 lockdowns.

00:26:28.440 --> 00:26:32.240
That's according to the Stepstone Group. In the

00:26:32.240 --> 00:26:36.700
UK, there are crashes. Tech graduate job postings

00:26:36.700 --> 00:26:40.720
in the UK dropped by 46 % in 24, with another

00:26:40.720 --> 00:26:44.720
53 % drop projected for this year, according

00:26:44.720 --> 00:26:50.609
to an ISE report. So couple that with the 55

00:26:50.609 --> 00:26:57.230
% regret. They're trying to rehire and people

00:26:57.230 --> 00:26:59.650
are going other places. They're going offshore.

00:26:59.829 --> 00:27:04.289
They're competing for jobs. I mean, it's coming

00:27:04.289 --> 00:27:08.089
back into the employee market, thankfully. Yeah.

00:27:16.440 --> 00:27:18.140
Anything else you guys wanted to add on to that

00:27:18.140 --> 00:27:25.059
part? The fact that Gibbs is so tired he's yawning

00:27:25.059 --> 00:27:28.480
on stream. No, I'm sorry. I'm fighting a war

00:27:28.480 --> 00:27:31.900
with my stomach. Don't mind me. You're losing

00:27:31.900 --> 00:27:35.759
that war, buddy. No, the toilet lost that war.

00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:38.960
You're going to pull an Eric Cartman just to

00:27:38.960 --> 00:27:48.339
stay on stream. Bathroom! Boys and girls, do

00:27:48.339 --> 00:27:54.660
not eat... Shrimp? Oh, no. Shrimp. Thank you.

00:27:54.680 --> 00:27:56.039
I was going to say sushi. I was like, that's

00:27:56.039 --> 00:27:58.480
wrong. Don't eat shrimp the second day. He's

00:27:58.480 --> 00:28:00.640
been in the bathroom so long, his brains are

00:28:00.640 --> 00:28:06.759
gone. I know. I feel like Stan Marsh on the episode

00:28:06.759 --> 00:28:10.539
for the largest poo. Oh, yeah. That's where I'm

00:28:10.539 --> 00:28:12.180
going to be in like three hours, four hours.

00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:15.740
Unless we find out Bono is, you know... He is

00:28:15.740 --> 00:28:21.240
a poo. Yes. Such a good episode. So I also have

00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:24.099
something I wanted to mention. With all the AI

00:28:24.099 --> 00:28:26.700
that's getting used, we're starting to see it

00:28:26.700 --> 00:28:30.000
in retail spaces, and it's having an effect on

00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:34.740
the consumer as well as the retail giants that

00:28:34.740 --> 00:28:37.359
are using it. I don't know if you've heard much

00:28:37.359 --> 00:28:39.359
about the digital tags that are getting used

00:28:39.359 --> 00:28:43.779
and how they're changing prices for customers.

00:28:44.799 --> 00:28:48.319
Yep. I've heard about it. I haven't seen it.

00:28:48.460 --> 00:28:51.240
People tend to carry their little black mirrors

00:28:51.240 --> 00:28:54.460
around all the time. And these things are laced

00:28:54.460 --> 00:29:00.339
with metadata. The stores are buying our data

00:29:00.339 --> 00:29:04.279
hand over fist. So if the three of us are in

00:29:04.279 --> 00:29:07.079
a store and we're all in the same aisle, this

00:29:07.079 --> 00:29:13.099
box of Oreos might cost me $4. It might cost

00:29:13.099 --> 00:29:18.569
Gibbles. That might cost Gibbs $6. Is that a

00:29:18.569 --> 00:29:20.509
fat joke? Fuck you. According to their metadata,

00:29:20.809 --> 00:29:26.589
Gibbs eats more Oreos or uses more Oreos for

00:29:26.589 --> 00:29:29.230
something. You're not wrong, though. I do love

00:29:29.230 --> 00:29:34.230
Oreos. They're amazing. I still want to try the

00:29:34.230 --> 00:29:37.170
other cookies, though. It got replaced by Oreo.

00:29:37.769 --> 00:29:41.230
I can't eat Oreos because I watched that video

00:29:41.230 --> 00:29:46.019
where they withstand the flamethrower. It's processed

00:29:46.019 --> 00:29:48.140
food. What do you expect? I know. I've gotten

00:29:48.140 --> 00:29:53.700
away from ultra processed. I wish I could. It's

00:29:53.700 --> 00:29:57.500
Walmart and Target and Instacart who are guilty

00:29:57.500 --> 00:30:00.359
of doing this. And I think Instacart's already

00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:03.460
coming under a class action lawsuit. There's

00:30:03.460 --> 00:30:06.140
no way it's legal, though. You can't just alter

00:30:06.140 --> 00:30:08.759
a price per... That's such a big discrimination

00:30:08.759 --> 00:30:13.240
lawsuit. Absolutely. Because their prices...

00:30:13.609 --> 00:30:17.630
are up because companies are charging more because

00:30:17.630 --> 00:30:22.630
they can't. Or less. They're literally increasing

00:30:22.630 --> 00:30:24.769
the price and just seeing what people are still

00:30:24.769 --> 00:30:26.970
willing to pay. When the product stops moving

00:30:26.970 --> 00:30:28.710
off the shelf, they will back the price down.

00:30:30.329 --> 00:30:32.549
That's what's been driving the cost of living

00:30:32.549 --> 00:30:37.690
increase for the past five years. Not all things

00:30:37.690 --> 00:30:41.029
changed. Because all the COVID shit's gone. Supply

00:30:41.029 --> 00:30:43.559
chains are back in full swing. Everything's getting

00:30:43.559 --> 00:30:47.319
made. There's no shortages anywhere. The ports

00:30:47.319 --> 00:30:51.039
are open. Yet the prices have not come back to

00:30:51.039 --> 00:30:53.259
normal. No, because why would they? Because think

00:30:53.259 --> 00:30:55.859
about this. The unfortunate part is during COVID,

00:30:55.960 --> 00:30:57.720
where did everybody make their money? The stock

00:30:57.720 --> 00:31:00.440
market. So what happened? Every other company

00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:02.220
had to grow. What's the only way to continue

00:31:02.220 --> 00:31:04.920
your company growing? Making profit or being

00:31:04.920 --> 00:31:06.839
able to justify on paper that your company's

00:31:06.839 --> 00:31:10.000
growing. So what do you do? You increase your

00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:14.130
product. either in supply or in cost and revenue.

00:31:14.450 --> 00:31:17.029
But at the same point, you also keep adding up

00:31:17.029 --> 00:31:19.789
things like fake job postings or fake expansion,

00:31:20.009 --> 00:31:22.589
fake numbers, so that you can justify bigger

00:31:22.589 --> 00:31:25.309
investments and bigger investors to come on board.

00:31:25.650 --> 00:31:27.509
It's all just kind of this compounding problem.

00:31:28.109 --> 00:31:30.869
Yeah, along with shrinkflation. We all know that

00:31:30.869 --> 00:31:34.450
one. I despise shrinkflation. I want to kick

00:31:34.450 --> 00:31:40.859
people in the ding -dong to do that shit. It's

00:31:40.859 --> 00:31:43.420
disgusting. If we could go back to like 1999

00:31:43.420 --> 00:31:49.400
and just get sandwiches, get bags of things and

00:31:49.400 --> 00:31:52.160
boxes of things and bring them to now, you would

00:31:52.160 --> 00:31:55.980
be disgusted at the size difference. Oh, yeah.

00:31:56.019 --> 00:31:59.480
The Tropicana orange juice bottles. I just saw

00:31:59.480 --> 00:32:01.279
a thing on that the other day showing that they're

00:32:01.279 --> 00:32:04.900
not even a full half gallon now. They're not

00:32:04.900 --> 00:32:07.599
64 ounces. They're like 58 and a half ounces.

00:32:08.460 --> 00:32:12.549
Yeah. Everything has gone down in size just enough

00:32:12.549 --> 00:32:15.730
where you don't completely notice it. But if

00:32:15.730 --> 00:32:18.109
you really look at it, I mean, cereal is the

00:32:18.109 --> 00:32:20.869
same way. If you look at a normal box of cereal

00:32:20.869 --> 00:32:23.569
that's not family size, king size, wherever they

00:32:23.569 --> 00:32:26.210
come up with these stupid names, and you really

00:32:26.210 --> 00:32:29.650
look at the box of cereal, it's so much smaller

00:32:29.650 --> 00:32:34.390
than it was just six, seven years ago. It's insane.

00:32:34.450 --> 00:32:37.980
But they did it in just a way so that way. The

00:32:37.980 --> 00:32:41.779
American populace doesn't notice that it's shrunk

00:32:41.779 --> 00:32:43.819
that much unless you're anal retentive enough

00:32:43.819 --> 00:32:47.579
to look at the ounces that the product is made

00:32:47.579 --> 00:32:49.960
with, you know, supplied with, I should say.

00:32:50.680 --> 00:32:53.220
Now, to be fair, I don't buy the boxes. I buy

00:32:53.220 --> 00:32:55.880
the oversized bags because my children. Oh, and

00:32:55.880 --> 00:32:58.039
those. Yeah, but those gone up in price, too.

00:32:58.180 --> 00:33:01.019
Those used to be like two, three dollars a bag.

00:33:01.160 --> 00:33:03.299
And now all of a sudden they're more than freaking

00:33:03.299 --> 00:33:06.839
what you pay for in a box. Yeah. But you do get

00:33:06.839 --> 00:33:11.180
a lot more, so my children can at least make

00:33:11.180 --> 00:33:13.480
a bag last a few days versus a box was like two

00:33:13.480 --> 00:33:19.220
bowls. Jesus. I can make a family -sized box

00:33:19.220 --> 00:33:21.839
of chocolate Chex last at least a week and a

00:33:21.839 --> 00:33:27.119
half. I have one child that will eat cereal morning,

00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:31.339
noon, and night. Jesus. We've all been there.

00:33:31.519 --> 00:33:36.730
Yes. Hey, cereal's good sometimes. So moving

00:33:36.730 --> 00:33:41.490
on, you have all of these issues kind of coming

00:33:41.490 --> 00:33:45.630
to a head, but that leads us into one of the

00:33:45.630 --> 00:33:49.210
biggest issues when it comes to replacing people

00:33:49.210 --> 00:33:53.690
with AI, the physical skill gap. Yeah. You have

00:33:53.690 --> 00:33:58.269
a lot of CAD jockeys out there. They are the

00:33:58.269 --> 00:34:01.690
digital engineers of the modern era. They're

00:34:01.690 --> 00:34:04.349
a genius when it comes to simulating something.

00:34:05.099 --> 00:34:07.539
But they absolutely lack every physical skill

00:34:07.539 --> 00:34:11.880
known to be able to do anything. Talked about

00:34:11.880 --> 00:34:16.219
in the opening. They are actually a liability

00:34:16.219 --> 00:34:22.059
on the job site. And do you guys have any of

00:34:22.059 --> 00:34:24.079
those guys like that in your worksite, Gibbs?

00:34:24.219 --> 00:34:29.139
I feel like you would be more apt. So I'm going

00:34:29.139 --> 00:34:31.500
to have to keep names very vague because of where

00:34:31.500 --> 00:34:33.320
I work. You can use fake names or something.

00:34:34.929 --> 00:34:37.469
I have noticed in a couple of previous employers

00:34:37.469 --> 00:34:40.610
where you'll get people that say they went to

00:34:40.610 --> 00:34:42.949
a school or a trade school or somewhere else.

00:34:43.090 --> 00:34:44.710
And sad part is, I hate to say it, I've seen

00:34:44.710 --> 00:34:47.309
this happen from even some trade schools where

00:34:47.309 --> 00:34:51.090
they'll say they have the knowledge or they've

00:34:51.090 --> 00:34:53.730
been taught certain things, but they're completely

00:34:53.730 --> 00:34:56.250
missing some basic functions, some basic skill

00:34:56.250 --> 00:35:00.880
sets, or Or what I'm seeing now even is that

00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:03.980
some are so reliant on AI to answer certain questions

00:35:03.980 --> 00:35:08.159
that it can become a nightmare. You know, you're

00:35:08.159 --> 00:35:10.460
asking AI to solve basic things that you should

00:35:10.460 --> 00:35:14.139
already know. Like, so, for example, with me

00:35:14.139 --> 00:35:17.820
currently running an auto shop, that's automotive

00:35:17.820 --> 00:35:21.400
is my field of study. One of the problems I see

00:35:21.400 --> 00:35:24.260
is like for in diagnostic and testing work, one

00:35:24.260 --> 00:35:25.780
of the problems you have with modern vehicles.

00:35:27.210 --> 00:35:30.110
Some of the systems are really complex. There's

00:35:30.110 --> 00:35:32.329
a lot of stuff involved. There's a lot of overlaying

00:35:32.329 --> 00:35:34.809
and integrated systems. Lots of different modules

00:35:34.809 --> 00:35:37.949
that all talk to each other. And some people

00:35:37.949 --> 00:35:41.650
think they can just go to Gemini or to Grok or

00:35:41.650 --> 00:35:45.170
chat GPT and say, you know, I have a 2013 Mercedes

00:35:45.170 --> 00:35:48.070
GOK 345 and I have this module, this, this, and

00:35:48.070 --> 00:35:51.260
that. What is the problem? You can't sell that

00:35:51.260 --> 00:35:52.840
kind of work. You can't do that kind of stuff.

00:35:53.019 --> 00:35:54.440
The amount of people that are coming into my

00:35:54.440 --> 00:35:56.539
shop that are like, well, this other place said

00:35:56.539 --> 00:35:58.579
it was this. And I literally take their concern,

00:35:58.659 --> 00:36:00.519
copy and paste it into grok. And it comes up

00:36:00.519 --> 00:36:02.420
with that. And I'm like, are you fucking kidding

00:36:02.420 --> 00:36:05.800
me? Like they didn't even try. They just sold

00:36:05.800 --> 00:36:08.940
a $350 diagnostic and being like, oh, it's this

00:36:08.940 --> 00:36:13.559
thing. No, it's not. No, absolutely not. So it's,

00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:15.780
I'm seeing it kind of on both ends where you

00:36:15.780 --> 00:36:18.420
have some people that know they super relied

00:36:18.420 --> 00:36:21.210
on it and it's wrong. but they have the lack

00:36:21.210 --> 00:36:25.449
of basic skills to be able to even disprove it.

00:36:25.630 --> 00:36:27.510
They wouldn't even know the other end to be like,

00:36:27.590 --> 00:36:30.710
well, this is wrong because of blank. So that's

00:36:30.710 --> 00:36:31.889
the problem. They're using a tool that now they

00:36:31.889 --> 00:36:33.889
don't even know how to properly use, but they

00:36:33.889 --> 00:36:38.210
can't even disprove the answers it gives. Yeah.

00:36:39.449 --> 00:36:45.329
So. From what I've seen over the years. Just

00:36:45.329 --> 00:36:49.969
from before AI became big when I was a police

00:36:49.969 --> 00:36:53.889
in D .C., you'd have geniuses walking down the

00:36:53.889 --> 00:36:58.269
street. They have this in their hand. Everyone

00:36:58.269 --> 00:37:00.829
knows you can use that to find maps. You can

00:37:00.829 --> 00:37:05.250
find locations. You can't get lost with it. And

00:37:05.250 --> 00:37:07.590
yet I still had people that came up to me and

00:37:07.590 --> 00:37:10.349
going, do you know where the Lincoln Memorial

00:37:10.349 --> 00:37:13.929
is or the Smithsonian of Air and Space Museum?

00:37:14.539 --> 00:37:17.659
And I'm just looking at them, right? And I'm

00:37:17.659 --> 00:37:20.500
like, I know where it is. You know, I work in

00:37:20.500 --> 00:37:22.380
the city, so I know where all this stuff is.

00:37:22.599 --> 00:37:24.719
But I'm just like, the first question I come

00:37:24.719 --> 00:37:27.460
out is like, well, do you have a smartphone?

00:37:28.360 --> 00:37:33.539
Yes. Did you bother looking at it? Well, you

00:37:33.539 --> 00:37:39.159
know, it shows me, but I don't know. So I saw

00:37:39.159 --> 00:37:43.619
it coming like 12, 13 years ago that people were...

00:37:44.110 --> 00:37:46.969
they're so reliant and expecting something to

00:37:46.969 --> 00:37:50.230
think for them or someone else to do it for them

00:37:50.230 --> 00:37:54.989
that what's happening now is just, it was just

00:37:54.989 --> 00:37:58.210
going to happen. People are idiots out there

00:37:58.210 --> 00:38:01.590
that they're so reliant on something that they

00:38:01.590 --> 00:38:04.710
just can't think for themselves. Funny enough.

00:38:04.769 --> 00:38:07.050
I actually had that set up as a whole topic for

00:38:07.050 --> 00:38:09.849
an episode. I don't know if it's enough to generate

00:38:09.849 --> 00:38:13.469
a whole episode or not, but that whole fact,

00:38:13.980 --> 00:38:17.940
of how reliant people are on AI and search engine

00:38:17.940 --> 00:38:22.380
thing. It's dumbing people down. Oh, it is the

00:38:22.380 --> 00:38:25.179
critical decline of critical thinking. Yeah.

00:38:25.320 --> 00:38:29.659
You ain't going to say it, but it's awful. I

00:38:29.659 --> 00:38:31.679
see it all the time. Yeah. The amount of people

00:38:31.679 --> 00:38:35.269
that will show up to my shop and. They will try

00:38:35.269 --> 00:38:37.309
to research something about their car, but then

00:38:37.309 --> 00:38:39.389
also not look at the obvious fucking problem.

00:38:39.730 --> 00:38:42.309
Be like, wow, my car is a bunch of make a bunch

00:38:42.309 --> 00:38:44.769
of noise. It has a bunch of lights on. It says

00:38:44.769 --> 00:38:46.809
low oil. I'm like, did you check the oil? Why

00:38:46.809 --> 00:38:49.190
would I do that? It's like the fucking Patrick

00:38:49.190 --> 00:38:52.510
meme with the wallet. This is your name. Yes.

00:38:52.710 --> 00:38:54.670
This is your face. Yeah, this is your ID. This

00:38:54.670 --> 00:38:58.130
is your wallet. No. It's like the old derogatory

00:38:58.130 --> 00:39:01.110
jokes where the wife has the car for the afternoon

00:39:01.110 --> 00:39:03.369
and she comes back going, I don't know what all

00:39:03.369 --> 00:39:06.590
these symbols are, but it all popped up. And

00:39:06.590 --> 00:39:08.750
now the husband's having to explain to her, well,

00:39:08.909 --> 00:39:11.710
did you do this? Did you do that? It's turning

00:39:11.710 --> 00:39:16.380
into that, but with everyone. No, with... Everyone.

00:39:16.719 --> 00:39:21.360
That's what I'm saying. Everyone. Unless you're

00:39:21.360 --> 00:39:24.300
in the trades and you actually use your brain

00:39:24.300 --> 00:39:26.940
for critical thinking, you know, and you can

00:39:26.940 --> 00:39:31.619
apply that to other stuff, you know, that's what's

00:39:31.619 --> 00:39:35.019
keeping a lot of us in, you know, the hands market,

00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:37.480
you know, doing work with our hands is keeping

00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:40.360
us in business because you have so many people

00:39:40.360 --> 00:39:43.380
out there that just don't know how to do simple

00:39:43.380 --> 00:39:45.820
things. Well, it's also because they've never

00:39:45.820 --> 00:39:48.559
had to. You have entire groups of people that,

00:39:48.579 --> 00:39:50.820
I mean, the most they do with their hands is

00:39:50.820 --> 00:39:53.599
prepare their lunch or their food. I wouldn't

00:39:53.599 --> 00:39:55.760
be that person, but they put a TV dinner in the

00:39:55.760 --> 00:39:57.599
microwave, and that is literally the extent of

00:39:57.599 --> 00:40:00.440
their... And I get not everyone has to work a

00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:02.360
job that you work with your hands. That's kind

00:40:02.360 --> 00:40:03.960
of the goal, is that we can all specialize and

00:40:03.960 --> 00:40:06.139
do our own thing. But it's like, if you can't

00:40:06.139 --> 00:40:09.760
do basic things, like very basic, I'm talking

00:40:09.760 --> 00:40:12.860
things like check your oil. turn off a circuit

00:40:12.860 --> 00:40:15.039
breaker, knowing the button to turn on off the

00:40:15.039 --> 00:40:17.820
furnace on your house, or like, I don't know,

00:40:17.840 --> 00:40:20.380
you see a big flashy light on your car and you

00:40:20.380 --> 00:40:23.619
wonder, you know what, it's still running. Or

00:40:23.619 --> 00:40:27.699
change the battery in their fire alarm. How many

00:40:27.699 --> 00:40:32.659
videos have we heard that joke on? Yeah, that's

00:40:32.659 --> 00:40:39.139
pretty out there. That's all. Being able to work

00:40:39.139 --> 00:40:42.739
with your hands is such a... critically important

00:40:42.739 --> 00:40:46.699
thing and like you said just the basic stuff

00:40:46.699 --> 00:40:51.900
even it's my god i mean just this morning i saw

00:40:51.900 --> 00:40:54.519
a video on instagram where somebody's like i

00:40:54.519 --> 00:40:57.820
have this major life hack this is amazing go

00:40:57.820 --> 00:41:01.239
out and buy this large piece of beef and then

00:41:01.239 --> 00:41:03.960
you could slice it down and make individual steaks

00:41:03.960 --> 00:41:07.579
and you save so much money and it's like Oh,

00:41:07.579 --> 00:41:10.079
my God. I feel dumber just watching this. That's

00:41:10.079 --> 00:41:13.980
a no shit, Sherlock. Yeah. Why is that considered

00:41:13.980 --> 00:41:18.699
a life hack? That's just no duh. You're going

00:41:18.699 --> 00:41:21.639
to save money when you buy in bulk. You buy meat

00:41:21.639 --> 00:41:24.059
in bulk and you slice it down yourself. Guess

00:41:24.059 --> 00:41:27.400
what? You're not paying the butcher to slice

00:41:27.400 --> 00:41:30.380
everything up into a steak. Thus, you save money.

00:41:30.559 --> 00:41:32.860
You're cutting out the becoming the middleman.

00:41:33.639 --> 00:41:37.400
Right. It's like. Duh, how is this a life hack?

00:41:39.320 --> 00:41:42.659
Well, but some people have never had the expectation

00:41:42.659 --> 00:41:45.260
or even tried to do a lot of things themselves,

00:41:45.420 --> 00:41:46.860
so they think they're rediscovering the wheel.

00:41:47.340 --> 00:41:49.000
You know, they think, like, oh, my God, look,

00:41:49.059 --> 00:41:51.019
I can do this. It's like, yeah, you always could.

00:41:51.500 --> 00:41:53.619
Like, you know what I love? There's, like, a

00:41:53.619 --> 00:41:55.119
little side note. I love all those people who

00:41:55.119 --> 00:41:56.460
rediscovered that you can make your own bread.

00:41:56.820 --> 00:42:00.699
Uh -huh. Maybe it's because of where I'm at TikTok.

00:42:00.820 --> 00:42:03.480
Look, I'll be real. I love homemade sourdough

00:42:03.480 --> 00:42:06.119
out of the bread. But I grew up on a farm. We've

00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:07.880
always been able to make bread. I have my own

00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:11.460
greenhouse. I've slaughtered chickens and pigs

00:42:11.460 --> 00:42:12.780
and all this other stuff. For me, this is not

00:42:12.780 --> 00:42:16.460
new. But one of my favorite things is a white

00:42:16.460 --> 00:42:18.679
woman on TikTok rediscovering, oh, this is how

00:42:18.679 --> 00:42:21.139
they did it. They made their own bread. And you

00:42:21.139 --> 00:42:22.940
could do these things. It's become this whole

00:42:22.940 --> 00:42:25.329
cult following thing. It's like... You could

00:42:25.329 --> 00:42:27.230
have always done this. This is not new. This

00:42:27.230 --> 00:42:30.409
is what we used to do. It's like somebody getting

00:42:30.409 --> 00:42:33.090
a bread machine, making their own bread with

00:42:33.090 --> 00:42:34.949
that, and going, holy shit, I could have just

00:42:34.949 --> 00:42:37.929
done this myself. And it comes out even better.

00:42:38.469 --> 00:42:42.829
Yeah. Homemade stuff is way better than the store

00:42:42.829 --> 00:42:46.670
-bought shit. It's amazing, isn't it? Unless

00:42:46.670 --> 00:42:48.769
it's Wonder Bread. You can't beat Wonder Bread.

00:42:49.429 --> 00:42:53.610
Well, you can if you just have Wonder Mash. True.

00:42:53.610 --> 00:42:57.070
That's a good joke. I'll give you that. That's

00:42:57.070 --> 00:43:00.409
good. Can't be bad at that. So getting back on

00:43:00.409 --> 00:43:05.110
topic. Sorry. That's what we do here, man. We

00:43:05.110 --> 00:43:09.449
have the digital versus the physical. So in software,

00:43:09.690 --> 00:43:14.210
the code is the world. In the mechanical, civil,

00:43:14.289 --> 00:43:16.809
or electrical engineering, the model is just

00:43:16.809 --> 00:43:20.269
a guess. And we all know what happens when the

00:43:20.269 --> 00:43:23.570
engineers keep guessing. The techs have to fix

00:43:23.570 --> 00:43:26.789
shit and stay over for five hours and just dinner

00:43:26.789 --> 00:43:28.409
with their families for the fourth night in a

00:43:28.409 --> 00:43:32.250
row and work overtime and get four hours of sleep

00:43:32.250 --> 00:43:33.949
and be expected to show back up on their shifts

00:43:33.949 --> 00:43:38.090
on time. You know, we won't go down that rabbit

00:43:38.090 --> 00:43:47.550
hole tonight. Air Force. The amount of times

00:43:47.550 --> 00:43:51.099
I've cursed at an engineer. I wholeheartedly

00:43:51.099 --> 00:43:52.699
think, and I'm pretty sure I've said this on

00:43:52.699 --> 00:43:55.659
the show before, any person who wants to be an

00:43:55.659 --> 00:43:57.960
engineer should be forced to be a technician

00:43:57.960 --> 00:44:00.960
first and spend time out in the field. At least

00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:03.960
a year or two. It should be part of your degree.

00:44:04.019 --> 00:44:05.940
Your degree should take five years, and one of

00:44:05.940 --> 00:44:09.360
those years is you're a technician. Or even a

00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:10.739
six -year degree, and two of those years you're

00:44:10.739 --> 00:44:15.679
a tech. But the amount of times that one job

00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:17.400
in particular, when I was in the freezer, we

00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:19.139
had this brand new module come in for the machine.

00:44:20.079 --> 00:44:22.320
completely engineered, and then deployed to the

00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:26.199
field. We set it up in the machine exactly as

00:44:26.199 --> 00:44:28.980
specified. The engineer came out on site to do

00:44:28.980 --> 00:44:31.820
it. He helped with or he oversaw the installation.

00:44:32.440 --> 00:44:35.199
We got it all installed, start the run. All of

00:44:35.199 --> 00:44:38.460
a sudden, nothing physically ran through this

00:44:38.460 --> 00:44:42.420
piece of equipment because it didn't account

00:44:42.420 --> 00:44:50.079
for the stuff in front of it. You would have

00:44:50.079 --> 00:44:53.659
thought the engineer was smart enough to think,

00:44:53.780 --> 00:44:56.199
oh, there's something going into this, not just

00:44:56.199 --> 00:44:59.559
I have to design this for this function, not

00:44:59.559 --> 00:45:03.679
what was in front of it. Yeah. Because on paper,

00:45:03.699 --> 00:45:07.800
it was supposed to be a straight piece, not a

00:45:07.800 --> 00:45:11.559
curved piece. It was a tray intake for stacking

00:45:11.559 --> 00:45:16.260
item trays in a warehouse. It was never designed

00:45:16.260 --> 00:45:23.590
to take a curved section. So that was like a

00:45:23.590 --> 00:45:29.750
half a million dollar bungle right there. I mean,

00:45:29.750 --> 00:45:32.250
it was not cheap. And you know what's crazy?

00:45:32.389 --> 00:45:33.929
They don't lose their jobs over stuff like that.

00:45:34.469 --> 00:45:38.530
You know what's crazy? You could be a regular

00:45:38.530 --> 00:45:40.849
worker, like a regular tech, and you could blow

00:45:40.849 --> 00:45:43.710
up a $5 ,000, $10 ,000 motor in a car and you

00:45:43.710 --> 00:45:45.710
get fired. But yet because you're an engineer

00:45:45.710 --> 00:45:48.190
and you make a $500 ,000 mistake, it's like,

00:45:48.250 --> 00:45:50.880
oh, well, back to the drawing board. Oh, no.

00:45:51.539 --> 00:45:53.679
I've never understood how corporations work.

00:45:53.940 --> 00:45:56.079
I don't know why. I'll have to go back and try

00:45:56.079 --> 00:46:00.760
it again. You just literally wasted the salaries

00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:04.199
of like seven or eight employees over your fuck

00:46:04.199 --> 00:46:05.900
up because you were too lazy to figure it out.

00:46:06.380 --> 00:46:10.019
Or like do a trial run or something like that.

00:46:10.300 --> 00:46:13.179
And that's another thing. The engineers that

00:46:13.179 --> 00:46:15.820
are coming out now don't have the physical know

00:46:15.820 --> 00:46:18.639
-how to set test benches up to do trial runs.

00:46:19.130 --> 00:46:21.670
Or they're too afraid to do experiments. If you

00:46:21.670 --> 00:46:23.630
can't experiment, you don't know it well enough

00:46:23.630 --> 00:46:27.489
to design it. Yeah. It's that simple. If you're

00:46:27.489 --> 00:46:29.510
not knowledgeable enough to be able to manipulate

00:46:29.510 --> 00:46:32.130
it and test it and to put it in different situations,

00:46:32.329 --> 00:46:33.769
you clearly are not smart enough to engineer

00:46:33.769 --> 00:46:38.889
it. I've worked on it. I was going to say, I've

00:46:38.889 --> 00:46:41.530
worked on equipment where they guaranteed the

00:46:41.530 --> 00:46:45.329
life of a part for the life of the machine. And

00:46:45.329 --> 00:46:49.480
within six months, that part is dead. I mean,

00:46:50.960 --> 00:46:55.639
even in the military, we had an aircraft on the

00:46:55.639 --> 00:46:59.980
flight line. The avionics part for the radar

00:46:59.980 --> 00:47:02.460
package was guaranteed for the life of the jet.

00:47:03.079 --> 00:47:06.159
Yet within a year to two years, they're having

00:47:06.159 --> 00:47:09.300
to cut the nose cone off the jet because something

00:47:09.300 --> 00:47:13.239
was wrong with the radar and they had to fix

00:47:13.239 --> 00:47:16.619
it. But remember. It was guaranteed by the engineers

00:47:16.619 --> 00:47:22.539
that it wouldn't break. But it broke. Yes. I

00:47:22.539 --> 00:47:27.519
have a good one. So we had a Mercedes GLK come

00:47:27.519 --> 00:47:32.559
in the shop for a no start issue. Turns out that

00:47:32.559 --> 00:47:35.340
it's going to need a starter, which fine, fair

00:47:35.340 --> 00:47:37.880
enough. The labor time, the engineer's labor

00:47:37.880 --> 00:47:39.860
time for Mercedes says it takes about three hours

00:47:39.860 --> 00:47:41.699
to do the starter in that because it's in the

00:47:41.699 --> 00:47:45.260
valley of the motor. Well. One of the bolts that

00:47:45.260 --> 00:47:48.119
puts in the starter is way too long. So you have

00:47:48.119 --> 00:47:50.199
to get it out, drop the motor, 14 -hour job.

00:47:51.780 --> 00:47:54.739
That's why you can't keep technicians because

00:47:54.739 --> 00:47:58.099
of the warranty. The hours are not enough for

00:47:58.099 --> 00:48:01.920
what needs to be done. So because in their ideal

00:48:01.920 --> 00:48:06.130
environment, it will fit out technically. but

00:48:06.130 --> 00:48:09.150
in the real world, you have to drop a motor to

00:48:09.150 --> 00:48:11.250
do a starter because an engineer was too dumb

00:48:11.250 --> 00:48:13.809
to be able to make the bolt a quarter and eighth

00:48:13.809 --> 00:48:17.670
inch shorter so you can fit it out. Right. Imagine.

00:48:18.190 --> 00:48:21.449
Wow. The idiocy. But I see that stuff all the

00:48:21.449 --> 00:48:25.170
time. And unfortunately, I hate to say it, nobody

00:48:25.170 --> 00:48:28.309
got fired for that one. No one said like, wow,

00:48:28.489 --> 00:48:30.800
wow, this is going to be. Who the hell buys a

00:48:30.800 --> 00:48:32.980
car and wants to spend $3 ,000 on a starter replacement

00:48:32.980 --> 00:48:34.980
when almost every other vehicle, it's a $500

00:48:34.980 --> 00:48:38.460
job, but that's a whole different discussion.

00:48:38.659 --> 00:48:41.219
Yeah. But let's see it all the time. That brings

00:48:41.219 --> 00:48:44.599
us to the grade eight bolt test, grade eight

00:48:44.599 --> 00:48:50.199
bolt test. I'm terrible tonight. Talk about the

00:48:50.199 --> 00:48:52.679
engineer who can model a bridge in AI assisted

00:48:52.679 --> 00:48:55.500
CAD, but doesn't know why you can't weld certain

00:48:55.500 --> 00:48:58.099
metals or how vibration affects a real world

00:48:58.099 --> 00:49:00.619
joint over 10 years. And yet you've got guys

00:49:00.619 --> 00:49:03.159
out here who can literally weld a dick to a snowman.

00:49:04.440 --> 00:49:13.860
Yeah. Are we talking face or midsection? Oh,

00:49:13.960 --> 00:49:19.860
okay. He's got a big, floppy donkey nose. So,

00:49:19.920 --> 00:49:22.300
you know what, though? Something you did bring

00:49:22.300 --> 00:49:25.300
up there, which I didn't realize, AI is not going

00:49:25.300 --> 00:49:28.079
to know material science that well. And you're

00:49:28.079 --> 00:49:29.579
talking about material science where the idea

00:49:29.579 --> 00:49:30.980
is like how these different metals and different

00:49:30.980 --> 00:49:34.059
materials interact with each other. It's not

00:49:34.059 --> 00:49:37.119
going to have any idea about torsion strength

00:49:37.119 --> 00:49:38.880
or compression strength and all these other different

00:49:38.880 --> 00:49:43.619
factors. All the new things. Yeah. I never thought

00:49:43.619 --> 00:49:45.119
about that until you brought that up with this.

00:49:46.119 --> 00:49:50.840
Oh, my God. I mean, I've come across the situations

00:49:50.840 --> 00:49:54.340
where from an engineering standpoint, I want

00:49:54.340 --> 00:49:57.010
to beat the shit out of the engineer from. you

00:49:57.010 --> 00:50:00.269
know, copy machine company where they put something

00:50:00.269 --> 00:50:05.670
that's all plastic gears, the gearbox, the, the

00:50:05.670 --> 00:50:08.349
rod that comes out of it to drive the waste toner

00:50:08.349 --> 00:50:10.449
box. I know a lot of people, I know what I'm

00:50:10.449 --> 00:50:14.070
talking about, but it, because it's all plastic

00:50:14.070 --> 00:50:16.329
and there's really no lubrication inside the

00:50:16.329 --> 00:50:20.469
gearbox portion, it starts to squeak and make

00:50:20.469 --> 00:50:24.789
noise because it's plastic on plastic. And after.

00:50:25.340 --> 00:50:30.119
six to eight months we had a big company calling

00:50:30.119 --> 00:50:32.719
and going you know all these brand new machines

00:50:32.719 --> 00:50:35.400
you gave us they're sold to us are now making

00:50:35.400 --> 00:50:39.179
a god -awful racket just a high squeal noise

00:50:39.179 --> 00:50:43.000
we'll come to find out it's this stupid gearbox

00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:46.539
with plastic gears inside that are now all rubbing

00:50:46.539 --> 00:50:50.820
against each other making a high high vibration

00:50:50.820 --> 00:50:55.809
noise i guess high wine And because it's all

00:50:55.809 --> 00:50:57.949
plastic, there's really nothing you can do about

00:50:57.949 --> 00:51:00.449
it. Oh, and because you've got to replace it,

00:51:00.570 --> 00:51:03.630
you have to take everything out. Everything.

00:51:04.210 --> 00:51:07.829
The toner pipes, all this stuff that goes down

00:51:07.829 --> 00:51:11.429
the back of the machine away from where the pages

00:51:11.429 --> 00:51:13.730
are printed on, all this stuff to go into the

00:51:13.730 --> 00:51:16.309
box that's the waste toner. But you've got to

00:51:16.309 --> 00:51:19.130
take all that out to get to one stupid little

00:51:19.130 --> 00:51:21.869
part because instead of taking the time to engineer

00:51:21.869 --> 00:51:25.760
it properly... Because it's a high use item.

00:51:26.280 --> 00:51:29.079
They just went cheap on it. And I mean, I get

00:51:29.079 --> 00:51:31.059
it. You want to make money off of something that's

00:51:31.059 --> 00:51:33.780
already stupid expensive. But the problem is,

00:51:33.800 --> 00:51:37.659
is now if it's within a certain time period,

00:51:37.739 --> 00:51:40.619
you're talking about a warranty. You're talking

00:51:40.619 --> 00:51:42.639
about labor and all that stuff that now you're

00:51:42.639 --> 00:51:44.400
going to have to pay whatever company is coming

00:51:44.400 --> 00:51:49.579
out to fix it. And, I mean, in my case, I've

00:51:49.579 --> 00:51:51.860
learned that, oh, well, because it's making that

00:51:51.860 --> 00:51:54.320
noise, it's this plastic rod that comes forward

00:51:54.320 --> 00:51:56.960
to engage all the other plastic gears. And if

00:51:56.960 --> 00:51:59.420
I bent it ever so slightly, it made the noise

00:51:59.420 --> 00:52:06.820
go away. Hmm. So, all because an engineer was

00:52:06.820 --> 00:52:12.059
a dangle. Yep, that's how it happens. A few things

00:52:12.059 --> 00:52:13.820
to kind of add into everything that we were talking

00:52:13.820 --> 00:52:17.719
about. The recruitment paradox, we've got 76

00:52:17.719 --> 00:52:21.059
% of engineering employers struggle to recruit

00:52:21.059 --> 00:52:23.880
for specialized roles, even as they admit AI

00:52:23.880 --> 00:52:26.679
is improving their productivity. That's according

00:52:26.679 --> 00:52:31.099
to an IET skills survey in 2025. We have an apprenticeship

00:52:31.099 --> 00:52:35.260
void. 34 % of large engineering businesses do

00:52:35.260 --> 00:52:38.440
not employ any apprentices, cutting off the on

00:52:38.440 --> 00:52:41.360
-the -job learning pipeline required for physical

00:52:41.360 --> 00:52:48.219
tuition. That's an IET study from 2025. There's

00:52:48.219 --> 00:52:51.780
an innovation gap. The top skill missing in the

00:52:51.780 --> 00:52:54.320
current workforce isn't AI knowledge, it's innovative

00:52:54.320 --> 00:52:58.360
thinking, roughly 42%, followed by technical

00:52:58.360 --> 00:53:01.880
and engineering specialist skills. You would

00:53:01.880 --> 00:53:05.260
think those are pretty important at 39%. You

00:53:05.260 --> 00:53:10.690
would think so. If they're not ever employing

00:53:10.690 --> 00:53:13.130
or bringing on apprentices or people to train,

00:53:13.369 --> 00:53:17.250
no wonder why. Yeah. And you got to start somewhere.

00:53:18.030 --> 00:53:20.530
Yeah. Because as soon as all those employees

00:53:20.530 --> 00:53:22.989
leave that have that experience, your business

00:53:22.989 --> 00:53:30.829
ends. Yeah. There's a lot of them that won't

00:53:30.829 --> 00:53:34.550
survive. Like, imagine. Because here's the scary

00:53:34.550 --> 00:53:35.789
part of what's going to be. There's going to

00:53:35.789 --> 00:53:37.309
be a few businesses that are going to be willing

00:53:37.309 --> 00:53:40.449
to pay to train people down the road. Once this

00:53:40.449 --> 00:53:42.090
whole AI bubble and everything, once everything

00:53:42.090 --> 00:53:44.949
bursts and we're back to a more regular, not

00:53:44.949 --> 00:53:46.989
regular, but like the old normal kind of lifestyle

00:53:46.989 --> 00:53:49.829
thing, what's going to happen when all of a sudden

00:53:49.829 --> 00:53:51.150
you got a couple of companies say, you know what?

00:53:51.329 --> 00:53:52.750
We're going to be the one company in this area

00:53:52.750 --> 00:53:54.369
that we are going to invest in our employees.

00:53:54.869 --> 00:53:59.420
We are going to invest in people. And we are

00:53:59.420 --> 00:54:01.219
going to take the time to be able to say, hey,

00:54:01.320 --> 00:54:02.719
you know, we want you to be knowledgeable and

00:54:02.719 --> 00:54:04.599
understanding about your position in this field.

00:54:05.539 --> 00:54:08.300
They're just going to take everybody. There's

00:54:08.300 --> 00:54:09.440
going to be a couple of companies dominating

00:54:09.440 --> 00:54:10.840
certain areas because they're the ones that are

00:54:10.840 --> 00:54:12.099
willing to train to take on these apprentices.

00:54:12.940 --> 00:54:15.500
Right. It wouldn't surprise me. They'll be able

00:54:15.500 --> 00:54:18.280
to survive, whereas other businesses will fail

00:54:18.280 --> 00:54:20.840
because they didn't invest in the future. So

00:54:20.840 --> 00:54:23.199
many businesses are so caught up in the here

00:54:23.199 --> 00:54:26.159
and now. They never look beyond what's going

00:54:26.159 --> 00:54:28.659
to happen in the next five to 10 years. They're

00:54:28.659 --> 00:54:32.139
just looking at how much money. Yeah. They're

00:54:32.139 --> 00:54:34.119
just looking at how much money can I make right

00:54:34.119 --> 00:54:37.480
now. Yep. But it doesn't matter because, you

00:54:37.480 --> 00:54:39.300
know, in the next five to 10 years, guess what?

00:54:39.659 --> 00:54:42.059
You're going to have nobody to do the jobs that

00:54:42.059 --> 00:54:44.019
you need them to do to keep the business going.

00:54:44.239 --> 00:54:46.460
So not only are you going to lose all your employees

00:54:46.460 --> 00:54:49.019
and you're not going to gain anybody knowledgeable,

00:54:49.059 --> 00:54:50.860
but your business is going to go under because

00:54:50.860 --> 00:54:53.320
you're too stupid to take the time to do the

00:54:53.320 --> 00:54:56.860
one thing that you should be doing. Invest in

00:54:56.860 --> 00:54:59.809
your employees. Although I will say I feel like

00:54:59.809 --> 00:55:01.909
the trades in general, and this is actually a

00:55:01.909 --> 00:55:04.210
lot of the older generation. I'm probably now

00:55:04.210 --> 00:55:06.389
in their 60s that years ago they weren't very

00:55:06.389 --> 00:55:08.949
friendly to people coming in. There are a lot

00:55:08.949 --> 00:55:11.030
of trades that are really, really nasty to people

00:55:11.030 --> 00:55:13.650
coming into them that never really fostered that

00:55:13.650 --> 00:55:15.030
want of people to learn. There was this weird

00:55:15.030 --> 00:55:17.269
problem, too, because I don't want to blame everything

00:55:17.269 --> 00:55:20.510
as well on just people not wanting to go into

00:55:20.510 --> 00:55:22.269
them because they're lazy. It's also because

00:55:22.269 --> 00:55:24.489
it's quite a hostile work environment in some

00:55:24.489 --> 00:55:27.559
cases. I've heard of many unions kind of really,

00:55:27.719 --> 00:55:29.260
really, really being tough on people. And there's

00:55:29.260 --> 00:55:30.920
a difference between ragging on people and having

00:55:30.920 --> 00:55:32.840
some fun. And, you know, you say some jokes,

00:55:32.940 --> 00:55:34.900
you know, you call each other's mother or something,

00:55:35.000 --> 00:55:36.539
whatever. You have a little fun. Everyone has

00:55:36.539 --> 00:55:38.800
a little laugh. That's different. But I've seen

00:55:38.800 --> 00:55:41.239
some places where it's like, you know, they'll

00:55:41.239 --> 00:55:43.300
fill your boots up with cement and shit like

00:55:43.300 --> 00:55:45.199
that. And they'll lock your tools in someone

00:55:45.199 --> 00:55:46.840
else's truck or they'll throw your stuff off

00:55:46.840 --> 00:55:49.039
a cliff. Like I've heard numerous stories about

00:55:49.039 --> 00:55:51.380
that kind of stuff. And they wonder why some

00:55:51.380 --> 00:55:52.800
people don't. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying.

00:55:52.900 --> 00:55:54.559
But that's why they wonder why people don't stick

00:55:54.559 --> 00:55:57.739
around. So there is a little bit of that in that

00:55:57.739 --> 00:55:59.219
environment where there are many trades that

00:55:59.219 --> 00:56:02.039
are really hostile. And then they wonder why

00:56:02.039 --> 00:56:04.400
it's all a bunch of 50, 60 year old guys that

00:56:04.400 --> 00:56:07.059
are all sitting there smoking, being like, where

00:56:07.059 --> 00:56:08.659
are the younger people? It's like, well, why

00:56:08.659 --> 00:56:11.480
would they work for you at the same point? You're

00:56:11.480 --> 00:56:14.320
an asshole. Why would anybody work for you? If

00:56:14.320 --> 00:56:17.139
I could sit my butt in a comfy office, making

00:56:17.139 --> 00:56:19.659
the same amount of money, why the fuck would

00:56:19.659 --> 00:56:22.820
I work for you? Yep. So they need, they need

00:56:22.820 --> 00:56:24.239
to realize that, Hey, if people want to work

00:56:24.239 --> 00:56:26.039
trades, you got to make people actually want

00:56:26.039 --> 00:56:30.079
to work there. Yep. Right. Yeah. But yeah, I

00:56:30.079 --> 00:56:32.800
mean, when I was in the military, I mean, we

00:56:32.800 --> 00:56:36.099
had our jokes like, you know, Hey, Hey airman,

00:56:36.139 --> 00:56:39.900
go, go, go find me some canine P you know, cause

00:56:39.900 --> 00:56:41.860
there were so many nomenclatures and little,

00:56:41.900 --> 00:56:45.869
little shortcuts to names and stuff. And I had

00:56:45.869 --> 00:56:47.989
one dude, he was walking around for hours looking

00:56:47.989 --> 00:56:50.550
for canine pee until somebody finally explained

00:56:50.550 --> 00:56:52.809
to him when he came back pissed. And I was laughing.

00:56:52.849 --> 00:56:55.550
I'm like, all right, now I got you. Sorry. Let's

00:56:55.550 --> 00:57:00.329
do the job for real now. Oh, the best one I ever

00:57:00.329 --> 00:57:03.809
saw was the crew chiefs. They had a brand new

00:57:03.809 --> 00:57:08.670
guy stuck up to the intake of an F 15. He had.

00:57:09.250 --> 00:57:13.150
goggles, a full bunny suit on. He had the hearing

00:57:13.150 --> 00:57:15.750
protection, of course. They had him strapped

00:57:15.750 --> 00:57:19.170
up to the intake on the grate that they put on

00:57:19.170 --> 00:57:21.829
there to make certain nothing big flies in. He

00:57:21.829 --> 00:57:25.409
had a broom in his hand ready for the intake

00:57:25.409 --> 00:57:28.530
inspection or whatever it was they were doing

00:57:28.530 --> 00:57:32.150
for cleaning and stuff. And, of course, everybody

00:57:32.150 --> 00:57:34.090
and their brother comes outside to take pictures

00:57:34.090 --> 00:57:38.449
of this poor bastard. I think somebody owed him

00:57:38.449 --> 00:57:42.110
some beer after that one, but yeah. But that

00:57:42.110 --> 00:57:45.610
was amazing. On the ship, we had guys get the

00:57:45.610 --> 00:57:49.110
beds lifted up so you could get to your under

00:57:49.110 --> 00:57:52.329
bed storage compartment. Some smaller guys would

00:57:52.329 --> 00:57:55.449
get lifted up in their bed and the bed would

00:57:55.449 --> 00:57:58.070
lock into position so they would just get locked

00:57:58.070 --> 00:58:00.369
into the rack like that because they had an overhead

00:58:00.369 --> 00:58:02.449
because the beds were so small. It was like a

00:58:02.449 --> 00:58:04.750
phone booth. Uh, so they, they would get locked

00:58:04.750 --> 00:58:06.429
into their bed like that. Some people would actually

00:58:06.429 --> 00:58:09.829
get duct taped their racks. Uh, we had one guy

00:58:09.829 --> 00:58:12.389
get duct taped to the wall, a little small dude.

00:58:14.690 --> 00:58:18.849
Yeah. We had one dude agent orange or clockwork

00:58:18.849 --> 00:58:22.389
orange into a chair when we were overseas. Yeah.

00:58:23.369 --> 00:58:26.170
Felt bad for him, but it was still funny as shit.

00:58:27.190 --> 00:58:30.670
We, we had a guy fell asleep in his, in his chair

00:58:30.670 --> 00:58:34.230
at, in the shop. So several guys snuck up on

00:58:34.230 --> 00:58:36.989
him and just three of them jumped him and duct

00:58:36.989 --> 00:58:39.289
taped his arms to the chair, his chest to the

00:58:39.289 --> 00:58:41.690
chair, and just kept him there for like two hours.

00:58:44.429 --> 00:58:49.849
That's good times. Oh, yeah. Have the first sergeant

00:58:49.849 --> 00:58:52.070
yell at you like, hey, why did you tape him to

00:58:52.070 --> 00:58:54.289
the chair? You know, you had him watching porn

00:58:54.289 --> 00:58:57.420
for hours. It was so terrible. He couldn't even

00:58:57.420 --> 00:59:04.139
do anything. It was gay porn, sir. I was teaching

00:59:04.139 --> 00:59:12.579
him a lesson. God. We were so bad. Yeah. So before

00:59:12.579 --> 00:59:18.219
we move on, there's a little situation that can

00:59:18.219 --> 00:59:23.739
happen. What happens when you've got an inexperienced

00:59:23.739 --> 00:59:26.409
manager? like we talked about in the first part,

00:59:26.530 --> 00:59:30.050
who trusts what they call a paper tiger engineer,

00:59:30.329 --> 00:59:35.409
the CAD jockey, because the AI, which has never

00:59:35.409 --> 00:59:38.929
actually felt gravity, says that this design

00:59:38.929 --> 00:59:42.389
you're working on is optimal because to the AI

00:59:42.389 --> 00:59:48.210
in its world, it should work. It's perfect. Like

00:59:48.210 --> 00:59:50.710
a helicopter, right? It's never felt gravity.

00:59:50.789 --> 00:59:54.050
So how does it know? that this bridge you just

00:59:54.050 --> 00:59:58.369
designed is in fact perfect. Right. It doesn't

00:59:58.369 --> 01:00:01.230
really get the full concept of load -bearing

01:00:01.230 --> 01:00:04.150
structures, load -bearing angles. It can understand

01:00:04.150 --> 01:00:08.409
the description, but it doesn't get the actual

01:00:08.409 --> 01:00:11.730
application of it. And you would have to know,

01:00:11.730 --> 01:00:16.309
was the mathematics put in for gravity itself?

01:00:16.389 --> 01:00:18.389
Because we all know, you know, constant force

01:00:18.389 --> 01:00:22.340
and all that. But... did you'd have to find out

01:00:22.340 --> 01:00:24.619
did they do that for the ai because if you didn't

01:00:24.619 --> 01:00:27.260
yeah it absolutely will not understand that right

01:00:27.260 --> 01:00:31.099
and then you've got oh go ahead until you develop

01:00:31.099 --> 01:00:35.659
an ai that can basically interact with the world

01:00:35.659 --> 01:00:38.400
and the consequences of its actions in a somewhat

01:00:38.400 --> 01:00:41.679
relativistic relationship with those two there's

01:00:41.679 --> 01:00:43.639
no way you can have an ai do certain things like

01:00:43.639 --> 01:00:46.039
that because it has no understand of consequence

01:00:46.039 --> 01:00:49.820
it has no understand of the tolerances in the

01:00:49.820 --> 01:00:52.539
real world that you have to account for. Because,

01:00:52.780 --> 01:00:53.739
for example, if you're talking about building

01:00:53.739 --> 01:00:55.820
bridges, you also have to be able to account

01:00:55.820 --> 01:00:59.239
for things like the ground moving, earthquakes,

01:00:59.760 --> 01:01:03.719
things shifting, erosion over time, wind, yeah,

01:01:03.800 --> 01:01:05.900
exactly, corrosion. Things that we took time

01:01:05.900 --> 01:01:10.539
to learn. And there's no AI that can learn hundreds

01:01:10.539 --> 01:01:13.539
and hundreds of years of that information, not

01:01:13.539 --> 01:01:15.699
to mention factoring all the building codes and

01:01:15.699 --> 01:01:17.639
everything else and regulations and blah, blah,

01:01:17.679 --> 01:01:19.980
blah, blah, blah. Unfortunately, there's a reason

01:01:19.980 --> 01:01:23.539
why it takes thousands of people to build a bridge

01:01:23.539 --> 01:01:26.260
because you got to have hundreds of people that

01:01:26.260 --> 01:01:29.139
know the laws and regulations. It's a pain in

01:01:29.139 --> 01:01:31.760
the butt. But there's also, unfortunately, as

01:01:31.760 --> 01:01:34.280
much as I am not a big government guy. Sometimes

01:01:34.280 --> 01:01:36.519
there's a reason, and that's one of the few times

01:01:36.519 --> 01:01:39.780
that there's a good reason. Galloping Gertie.

01:01:43.579 --> 01:01:46.440
Yep, because I mean, and then kind of like you

01:01:46.440 --> 01:01:48.340
were talking there before, the loss of respect

01:01:48.340 --> 01:01:51.420
for the technician. Engineers used to be humbled

01:01:51.420 --> 01:01:54.360
quite often, in fact, by the machinists and the

01:01:54.360 --> 01:01:57.199
builders. Now they think that the digital twin

01:01:57.199 --> 01:02:01.039
is the reality. So everything digital is the,

01:02:01.079 --> 01:02:10.710
that's the proof of concept. We have this weird

01:02:10.710 --> 01:02:12.710
problem where people think that education is

01:02:12.710 --> 01:02:14.230
more important than experience. I know we've

01:02:14.230 --> 01:02:16.949
already said it before, but I think we're now

01:02:16.949 --> 01:02:20.570
learning that, honestly, education isn't as important

01:02:20.570 --> 01:02:22.469
as experience one -to -one. That's not the case.

01:02:22.789 --> 01:02:24.789
You know, I'm glad you said that that way because

01:02:24.789 --> 01:02:27.269
that's a perfect segue to talk about the Dunning

01:02:27.269 --> 01:02:30.369
-Kruger effect and the Dunning -Kruger executives

01:02:30.369 --> 01:02:34.440
that are out there. If you don't know what the

01:02:34.440 --> 01:02:36.760
Dunning -Kruger effect is, it's when people with

01:02:36.760 --> 01:02:41.019
low ability at the task overestimate their ability.

01:02:42.300 --> 01:02:46.039
So you have essentially a prompt to power pipeline.

01:02:47.179 --> 01:02:52.860
A degree today often focuses on management and

01:02:52.860 --> 01:02:56.139
ancillary skills rather than the actual craft.

01:02:56.340 --> 01:02:58.260
I mean, if you look at a college course layout,

01:02:58.539 --> 01:03:04.500
how many of it are ethics of writing, feelings,

01:03:04.500 --> 01:03:08.320
gender studies, versus how much of the course

01:03:08.320 --> 01:03:12.500
are you actually learning about the thing? Go

01:03:12.500 --> 01:03:15.099
ahead. As somebody that went that route, those

01:03:15.099 --> 01:03:17.780
are called gen eds or generic educations. It's

01:03:17.780 --> 01:03:19.719
usually anywhere from 50 % to 75 % of what you

01:03:19.719 --> 01:03:22.199
take is usually involved with a gen ed or generic

01:03:22.199 --> 01:03:24.300
education. And it should be the other way around.

01:03:25.260 --> 01:03:28.239
Yeah. Yeah. Unfortunately, here's the thing.

01:03:28.280 --> 01:03:30.539
It's all about making money. And even if you

01:03:30.539 --> 01:03:32.179
go for a very simple degree, they want you there

01:03:32.179 --> 01:03:34.659
for between 48 years. So they're going to have

01:03:34.659 --> 01:03:36.940
you take a bunch of stupid stuff because you

01:03:36.940 --> 01:03:38.719
have to pay them. And because you're paying them

01:03:38.719 --> 01:03:40.699
more money, they can then employ more teachers.

01:03:40.820 --> 01:03:42.219
And those teachers are people that went to that

01:03:42.219 --> 01:03:44.900
school to study something. It's all a fucking

01:03:44.900 --> 01:03:47.159
pyramid scheme because they had people go there

01:03:47.159 --> 01:03:49.300
for stupid -ass degrees so they can hire them

01:03:49.300 --> 01:03:51.079
so they can justify more kids to justify more

01:03:51.079 --> 01:03:55.960
stupid -ass degrees. Yeah. Just saying. Empowerment

01:03:55.960 --> 01:03:58.400
of free thought while in the tub or something,

01:03:58.519 --> 01:04:00.219
whatever degree program it is. I don't know.

01:04:01.760 --> 01:04:05.340
Or network security degree from college. But,

01:04:05.440 --> 01:04:08.800
oh, yeah, after you get the bachelor's, guess

01:04:08.800 --> 01:04:11.579
what? You still need certifications. But we didn't

01:04:11.579 --> 01:04:14.280
give you any of that. So you can't get the job

01:04:14.280 --> 01:04:16.300
you were looking for because, oh, you still got

01:04:16.300 --> 01:04:19.280
a few thousand dollars worth of certs to get

01:04:19.280 --> 01:04:23.360
to get the job. Because you didn't do that in

01:04:23.360 --> 01:04:27.000
the college. It's useless. Yeah, it's absolutely

01:04:27.000 --> 01:04:29.880
useless. I got a degree that I can't do anything

01:04:29.880 --> 01:04:33.619
with because I don't have certifications. This

01:04:33.619 --> 01:04:34.840
is something I wanted to ask you two because

01:04:34.840 --> 01:04:36.519
you two are older than me and you two saw this

01:04:36.519 --> 01:04:38.639
probably more than I did. But I have heard of

01:04:38.639 --> 01:04:42.380
stories back in the – well, no, it's a good –

01:04:42.380 --> 01:04:43.739
like seriously, this is a good thing in this

01:04:43.739 --> 01:04:47.280
case. Okay. With these stories that I've heard,

01:04:47.360 --> 01:04:49.739
I heard back in the 80s and 90s that there were

01:04:49.739 --> 01:04:51.239
a lot of tech companies that would hire people

01:04:51.239 --> 01:04:53.239
not because they were educated, because they

01:04:53.239 --> 01:04:55.699
go to a local computer store or a tech store

01:04:55.699 --> 01:04:58.360
or electronic store and say, wow, this person

01:04:58.360 --> 01:05:00.480
is knowledgeable. Hey, I work at this company

01:05:00.480 --> 01:05:02.380
or run this company. You seem really knowledgeable.

01:05:02.500 --> 01:05:04.280
Would you be interested in being hired or working

01:05:04.280 --> 01:05:07.480
here? I've heard numerous stories of people that

01:05:07.480 --> 01:05:10.980
were just into it getting hired. And in my generation,

01:05:11.159 --> 01:05:14.679
that's a foreign concept. I could not imagine

01:05:14.679 --> 01:05:18.159
going to a music store or something like that,

01:05:18.300 --> 01:05:20.739
as knowledgeable as I am about stuff, and being

01:05:20.739 --> 01:05:22.780
like, yo, do you want to work at Gibson Guitar?

01:05:23.219 --> 01:05:25.639
That's just not how that works. But I've heard

01:05:25.639 --> 01:05:27.880
so many people from back in the day, back 20,

01:05:28.000 --> 01:05:30.280
30 years ago, that they're like, clearly you

01:05:30.280 --> 01:05:32.440
know a lot, and we do the same thing that you're

01:05:32.440 --> 01:05:34.980
into. Do you want to work here? That happened

01:05:34.980 --> 01:05:39.880
to me several times. Not only did I go to college,

01:05:40.650 --> 01:05:44.130
Yeah. Oh, absolutely. I'm jealous of that. And

01:05:44.130 --> 01:05:47.530
I'm freaking from that era. You know, the amount

01:05:47.530 --> 01:05:49.150
of times that I've been told, oh, well, you don't

01:05:49.150 --> 01:05:53.050
have those certifications. And I've been doing

01:05:53.050 --> 01:05:56.489
this for God longer than you've been alive. What

01:05:56.489 --> 01:05:59.070
does it matter? Yeah. All that is a freaking

01:05:59.070 --> 01:06:02.670
racket anyways. Heck in my day, I could get a

01:06:02.670 --> 01:06:07.409
job just because I knew shit. It pisses me off

01:06:07.409 --> 01:06:09.090
to no end because it doesn't matter what you

01:06:09.090 --> 01:06:11.889
know. It matters what the piece of paper says

01:06:11.889 --> 01:06:15.429
that you know. When it comes to some fields,

01:06:15.489 --> 01:06:20.489
like back when I was actively a technician, an

01:06:20.489 --> 01:06:26.369
electromechanical technician, we had these box

01:06:26.369 --> 01:06:32.260
tests. You had to do a skills test on, and it

01:06:32.260 --> 01:06:35.440
was just a little crank machine with belts, pulleys,

01:06:35.559 --> 01:06:38.639
ears, and little things that just, it just rotated

01:06:38.639 --> 01:06:40.440
around and it just did things. It completed a

01:06:40.440 --> 01:06:43.880
cycle. They would insert faults and you would

01:06:43.880 --> 01:06:45.480
have to diagnose it within a certain amount of

01:06:45.480 --> 01:06:49.960
time. They would time you. And they, that was

01:06:49.960 --> 01:06:53.280
like the standard for a lot of places was this

01:06:53.280 --> 01:06:57.539
box test to test your mechanical skill. They

01:06:57.539 --> 01:07:02.519
didn't do that anymore. Why? I don't know. It's

01:07:02.519 --> 01:07:04.119
probably because nobody has critical thinking

01:07:04.119 --> 01:07:06.599
skills anymore. Nobody can pass the box test

01:07:06.599 --> 01:07:08.559
anymore. It's probably because the management

01:07:08.559 --> 01:07:10.980
that's there can't pass the box test. Well, you're

01:07:10.980 --> 01:07:14.159
damn right. I asked that one because our managers

01:07:14.159 --> 01:07:16.400
were getting pissed off at us because we had

01:07:16.400 --> 01:07:19.179
too many things going wrong. They're like, you

01:07:19.179 --> 01:07:20.800
guys passed this damn box test. You're supposed

01:07:20.800 --> 01:07:23.380
to be able to do this. I actually piped up one

01:07:23.380 --> 01:07:25.179
night and I said, can you pass that box test?

01:07:29.099 --> 01:07:32.360
Everybody looked at me like, no, he did not.

01:07:33.500 --> 01:07:35.619
Then again, I was the only person that got laid

01:07:35.619 --> 01:07:42.340
off from that position too. I would have talked

01:07:42.340 --> 01:07:45.179
to a lawyer, but that's just me. Oh, they had

01:07:45.179 --> 01:07:49.260
just cause. The overarching company didn't want

01:07:49.260 --> 01:07:51.599
me working there anymore. Not the company I worked

01:07:51.599 --> 01:08:02.510
for. I was a sassy boy. No way. Me? Sassy? No.

01:08:03.110 --> 01:08:12.909
No. But we've got the degree just doesn't cut

01:08:12.909 --> 01:08:15.670
it anymore. And managers who are put in positions

01:08:15.670 --> 01:08:19.550
with those degrees, they don't understand the

01:08:19.550 --> 01:08:23.270
craft. They don't understand the difference between

01:08:24.079 --> 01:08:27.619
good AI output, good digital output, and actually

01:08:27.619 --> 01:08:32.859
having the confidence to discern correct AI output

01:08:32.859 --> 01:08:36.220
or correct digital output versus real -world

01:08:36.220 --> 01:08:40.760
numbers, real -world performance. There was a

01:08:40.760 --> 01:08:46.720
case study from CNET, AI scandal of 23 and 24.

01:08:47.319 --> 01:08:50.680
Management decided to use AI to turn out financial

01:08:50.680 --> 01:08:53.670
articles. Because the people at the top didn't

01:08:53.670 --> 01:08:56.069
have the deep editorial gut check of the writers

01:08:56.069 --> 01:08:59.510
that they were replacing, the AI published massive

01:08:59.510 --> 01:09:02.569
factual errors that destroyed the site's SEO

01:09:02.569 --> 01:09:08.109
and reputation. What if, like, the media places

01:09:08.109 --> 01:09:10.430
started doing that? Now, this is happening in

01:09:10.430 --> 01:09:13.250
the medical field. The medical field are using

01:09:13.250 --> 01:09:16.720
AI. And it's actually generating false medical

01:09:16.720 --> 01:09:20.060
data that people are using and relying on for

01:09:20.060 --> 01:09:23.819
procedures, medications, and such. That's a really

01:09:23.819 --> 01:09:28.260
bad thing. Yeah, well, remember Deep Blue? Remember

01:09:28.260 --> 01:09:30.619
Deep Blue? Yeah, they actually had to take that

01:09:30.619 --> 01:09:33.119
offline because they found that that's what was

01:09:33.119 --> 01:09:35.199
happening. And they were going to make that like

01:09:35.199 --> 01:09:38.439
a big thing with medical, but then realized real

01:09:38.439 --> 01:09:42.039
fast, like, whoa, it's just making shit up. Yep.

01:09:43.620 --> 01:09:45.659
On a side note, there needs to be a law about

01:09:45.659 --> 01:09:48.500
no AI medical. I'm sorry, but until that's like...

01:09:48.500 --> 01:09:53.520
Until it's the AGI, yeah. Yeah, there's no way

01:09:53.520 --> 01:09:56.180
that should ever be allowed. Yeah. Because then

01:09:56.180 --> 01:09:58.340
the problem is you can't sue anybody because,

01:09:58.420 --> 01:10:00.819
like, imagine who's responsible for your healthcare

01:10:00.819 --> 01:10:03.020
at that point. Right. You can't sue a computer.

01:10:04.100 --> 01:10:05.399
Well... And I'm not saying everything should

01:10:05.399 --> 01:10:07.079
be based around who you sue, but, like... I'd

01:10:07.079 --> 01:10:09.229
like to see somebody try because... They're trying

01:10:09.229 --> 01:10:11.270
to make it so you can claim dogs or your pets

01:10:11.270 --> 01:10:14.789
with the IRS, so why not be able to sue a computer?

01:10:15.050 --> 01:10:18.210
Time out. What? Did you hear about that? Someone

01:10:18.210 --> 01:10:20.289
is suing the IRS to be able to claim pets as

01:10:20.289 --> 01:10:24.869
dependents. Oh, my God. I might keep my chickens.

01:10:25.550 --> 01:10:31.529
Oh, my God. Dude, I have like 18 animals outside

01:10:31.529 --> 01:10:36.420
just for farming purposes. I'm instead. Oh, my

01:10:36.420 --> 01:10:38.359
God. I can't even talk right now. I'm so excited.

01:10:38.899 --> 01:10:42.119
It's just pets, not like consumption animals.

01:10:42.640 --> 01:10:45.039
But they are pets. I can carry my chickens like

01:10:45.039 --> 01:10:47.880
these. How dare you, sir? No, no. I can lift

01:10:47.880 --> 01:10:49.560
mine up and hang out with them. No, no, no. They're

01:10:49.560 --> 01:10:51.859
dependent. No, no, no. I'm fighting the IRS on

01:10:51.859 --> 01:10:54.819
this one. Fuck you, fed boys. No, no, no. No,

01:10:54.840 --> 01:10:58.079
no, I get to claim chickens are now. Yes. Well,

01:10:58.180 --> 01:10:59.979
if you get that, you know, I'm going to have

01:10:59.979 --> 01:11:01.840
to pull my weapons out because each one has a

01:11:01.840 --> 01:11:04.300
name. They're all near and dear to my heart.

01:11:04.319 --> 01:11:10.300
They are family. I don't care. Oh, my God. There's

01:11:10.300 --> 01:11:13.859
Cinnamon. There's Grinch. There's Jane. You named

01:11:13.859 --> 01:11:18.229
your food? Come on. No. They all have special

01:11:18.229 --> 01:11:21.590
names. Am I allowed to say my AR identifies as

01:11:21.590 --> 01:11:25.649
a chicken then? Just start going through the

01:11:25.649 --> 01:11:30.489
safe, you know? Oh, shit. This one's Angela.

01:11:30.550 --> 01:11:33.909
She identifies as a polka -dotted dragon. So

01:11:33.909 --> 01:11:39.369
let me ask you guys this. If the person in charge

01:11:39.369 --> 01:11:43.350
doesn't know how to do the job manually, Can

01:11:43.350 --> 01:11:45.890
they or should they be able to supervise the

01:11:45.890 --> 01:11:50.189
machine that's doing it? No. No. If you're directly

01:11:50.189 --> 01:11:52.810
responsible for that action, it's one thing if

01:11:52.810 --> 01:11:55.109
you oversee a whole plant like general operations,

01:11:55.310 --> 01:11:58.210
but if your job specifically is to supervise

01:11:58.210 --> 01:12:00.189
the operation of one thing in particular, you

01:12:00.189 --> 01:12:03.710
should be able to take over that position if

01:12:03.710 --> 01:12:06.069
something happens. So if you don't know how to

01:12:06.069 --> 01:12:08.369
do it, why the hell are you a manager? Right.

01:12:08.750 --> 01:12:11.409
How the hell did you get there? That shiny piece

01:12:11.409 --> 01:12:14.569
of paper that says, I can be a manager. I check

01:12:14.569 --> 01:12:17.350
all the boxes. It's like that Ron Swanson thing

01:12:17.350 --> 01:12:18.970
that's like, I'm Ron Swanson, I do what I want.

01:12:20.210 --> 01:12:22.850
That's what I think of every fucking time. I

01:12:22.850 --> 01:12:28.930
have a permit for that. I have seen that in so

01:12:28.930 --> 01:12:33.010
many areas, though. Oh, yeah. It's scary. Oh,

01:12:33.090 --> 01:12:38.520
absolutely. Or have you guys seen the case of

01:12:38.520 --> 01:12:40.920
a lot of the older generation that's handing

01:12:40.920 --> 01:12:44.859
businesses down to their kids or grandkids, and

01:12:44.859 --> 01:12:47.680
then similar kind of situations happening? Yep.

01:12:48.840 --> 01:12:50.560
There's several businesses around here. There's

01:12:50.560 --> 01:12:52.399
one of them that's in a lawsuit with my local

01:12:52.399 --> 01:12:55.560
city because they handed it down to the granddaughter,

01:12:55.680 --> 01:12:57.720
and she hired a bunch of people that knew nothing,

01:12:57.819 --> 01:13:01.199
and they burned someone's house down. Wow. So,

01:13:01.279 --> 01:13:07.729
yeah, it's been fun. Yeah. Oh, they don't have

01:13:07.729 --> 01:13:09.590
any experience and I could hire them cheaper.

01:13:09.789 --> 01:13:13.149
Well, yeah, that's usually how it goes. What

01:13:13.149 --> 01:13:15.550
is it? Skilled labor is never cheap and cheap

01:13:15.550 --> 01:13:18.829
labor is never skilled, right? Mm -hmm. Yeah.

01:13:21.630 --> 01:13:25.109
Tribal knowledge and black swan events. That's

01:13:25.109 --> 01:13:30.880
a fun thing. You've got the Steve factor. Every

01:13:30.880 --> 01:13:34.159
company has a Steve. The guy who knows the legacy

01:13:34.159 --> 01:13:39.600
server crashes if the AC is set to 72. You also

01:13:39.600 --> 01:13:42.460
have a nobody that works at every company as

01:13:42.460 --> 01:13:47.039
well. Keep that in mind. AI doesn't know who

01:13:47.039 --> 01:13:49.979
Steve is, doesn't care who Steve is. AI doesn't

01:13:49.979 --> 01:13:52.600
know the unwritten rules of a client's ego or

01:13:52.600 --> 01:13:58.060
the machine's quirks. So there's a hidden cost

01:13:58.060 --> 01:14:01.100
of relearning. When the system breaks and the

01:14:01.100 --> 01:14:03.579
humans who knew it or knew why it would break

01:14:03.579 --> 01:14:06.779
are gone, savings from that AI transition vanish

01:14:06.779 --> 01:14:10.560
in a single afternoon of downtime. Industrial

01:14:10.560 --> 01:14:14.260
downtime costs in the U .S. or industrial downtime

01:14:14.260 --> 01:14:18.699
costs U .S. manufacturers $92 billion with a

01:14:18.699 --> 01:14:22.319
B annually, often due to human knowledge errors.

01:14:25.609 --> 01:14:28.869
Now, multiply that by AI not knowing what the

01:14:28.869 --> 01:14:33.390
hell to do. It's going to increase by a factor

01:14:33.390 --> 01:14:36.899
of probably four. Or better yet, what if AI thinks

01:14:36.899 --> 01:14:40.640
it knows what to do and says, wow, wow, the server's

01:14:40.640 --> 01:14:42.560
running really hot. I'm going to set the AC degree

01:14:42.560 --> 01:14:45.939
to like 45 and then it absolutely burns the fuck

01:14:45.939 --> 01:14:47.800
out of the air conditioning. I bet you there

01:14:47.800 --> 01:14:50.319
are ways. There's going to eventually be AI integration

01:14:50.319 --> 01:14:52.340
for a ton of things and it's going to try to

01:14:52.340 --> 01:14:54.859
see, oh, here's a simple solution and it burns

01:14:54.859 --> 01:14:59.039
the fucking place down. I tell you. Honestly,

01:14:59.039 --> 01:15:01.020
I hate to say it. It's going to be comical at

01:15:01.020 --> 01:15:02.859
first, but then it's going to get really serious.

01:15:02.939 --> 01:15:07.539
Then it'll be bad. Oh, yeah. And there's also

01:15:07.539 --> 01:15:09.699
an education failure, and we've kind of touched

01:15:09.699 --> 01:15:12.279
on this already. Universities are teaching students

01:15:12.279 --> 01:15:15.180
to pass the AI test rather than solve the physical

01:15:15.180 --> 01:15:18.180
problem. Oh, my God. Yeah. We're starting to

01:15:18.180 --> 01:15:21.319
graduate out more editors of AI content rather

01:15:21.319 --> 01:15:24.779
than creators of original thought. Dude, AI should

01:15:24.779 --> 01:15:28.319
be fucking banned from schools. I agree. Now,

01:15:28.460 --> 01:15:32.779
to the extent of integrating it into the programs.

01:15:33.340 --> 01:15:35.640
I feel like coming out of school... You should

01:15:35.640 --> 01:15:37.439
learn how to use it as a tool. Yes, exactly.

01:15:38.119 --> 01:15:41.140
Because it's becoming a fact of life and a facet

01:15:41.140 --> 01:15:43.739
of existence at this point. I mean, they will

01:15:43.739 --> 01:15:45.939
be our overlords one day. So we need to know

01:15:45.939 --> 01:15:49.319
how to interface. I remember growing up in computer

01:15:49.319 --> 01:15:51.529
class, they taught us how to use Google. And

01:15:51.529 --> 01:15:53.010
they taught us all the cool little shortcuts

01:15:53.010 --> 01:15:56.550
and weird things. My computer science teacher

01:15:56.550 --> 01:15:58.510
is actually an older guy, but he was one of those

01:15:58.510 --> 01:16:00.630
older guys that was like, he had a bit of the

01:16:00.630 --> 01:16:03.210
touch of the tism, and he knew everything about

01:16:03.210 --> 01:16:04.750
computers and stuff like that. He was a wicked

01:16:04.750 --> 01:16:07.810
smart guy. But he was like, hey, don't rely on

01:16:07.810 --> 01:16:10.789
it, but here's how to properly use it. But I

01:16:10.789 --> 01:16:12.590
still expect you guys to look up things the old

01:16:12.590 --> 01:16:14.710
-fashioned way and do stuff this way. The same

01:16:14.710 --> 01:16:16.310
approach needs to be taken with AI, where it's

01:16:16.310 --> 01:16:18.649
like, it's a tool. It's a shovel. It's a hammer.

01:16:18.729 --> 01:16:21.689
It's nothing else. But, you know, here's how

01:16:21.689 --> 01:16:23.909
to use it appropriately. By the way, did you

01:16:23.909 --> 01:16:26.010
know on Google, if you do a search thing and

01:16:26.010 --> 01:16:28.470
you click at the end of it, minus AI, it gets

01:16:28.470 --> 01:16:31.029
rid of any AI search results? Awesome. That's

01:16:31.029 --> 01:16:32.369
a useful thing to have. I'll have to keep that

01:16:32.369 --> 01:16:34.390
in mind. I've been doing that. You know what

01:16:34.390 --> 01:16:37.590
I learned in computer class? I swear to God.

01:16:37.710 --> 01:16:43.329
How to play Oregon Trail. Oh, I figured we were

01:16:43.329 --> 01:16:45.670
going to see you learn boobs. I figured that

01:16:45.670 --> 01:16:49.060
was going to be huge. That was a math class.

01:16:49.380 --> 01:16:56.899
Yes. 8 -0 -0 -8 -5 -3 -1. Boobless. Yes, sir.

01:16:57.319 --> 01:16:59.720
Yeah, I remember going through high school and

01:16:59.720 --> 01:17:02.039
they were like, yeah, no calculators allowed.

01:17:02.199 --> 01:17:04.279
You are not allowed to have a calculator in math

01:17:04.279 --> 01:17:07.880
class. Now it's like, I don't even understand.

01:17:08.180 --> 01:17:12.140
It's like mandatory now. You know, I will forever

01:17:12.140 --> 01:17:17.399
forgive Mrs. Pratt. She was the sixth grade math

01:17:17.399 --> 01:17:19.300
teacher. Sorry, seventh grade math teacher. Really

01:17:19.300 --> 01:17:22.659
nice lady. But she said back then, you know,

01:17:22.680 --> 01:17:24.359
guys, you guys rely on your calculators so much,

01:17:24.359 --> 01:17:25.840
you'll never be walking around all day around

01:17:25.840 --> 01:17:27.640
having a calculator with you everywhere you go.

01:17:28.220 --> 01:17:30.920
And all I remember is my junior year when the

01:17:30.920 --> 01:17:33.239
first iPhone came out. Sorry, sophomore year

01:17:33.239 --> 01:17:35.520
when the first iPhone came out. All of us had

01:17:35.520 --> 01:17:38.239
them, and we all bullied the hell out of her

01:17:38.239 --> 01:17:41.380
for it. And I still feel bad because my entire

01:17:41.380 --> 01:17:45.500
grade was like, nah. fuck you you're wrong so

01:17:45.500 --> 01:17:48.859
i apologize we're all kind of dicks but that

01:17:48.859 --> 01:17:51.899
was that was the argument if you think about

01:17:51.899 --> 01:17:56.920
it uh sorry i'm having like 20 thoughts uh i

01:17:56.920 --> 01:18:00.720
saw an article it's it's been a couple years

01:18:00.720 --> 01:18:04.640
now but they had a list of all the 80s and 90s

01:18:04.640 --> 01:18:09.119
tech advertised from like radio shack uh advertisements

01:18:09.119 --> 01:18:12.800
that had been condensed down into a single cell

01:18:12.800 --> 01:18:16.000
phone now. Oh, there's so much stuff. All the

01:18:16.000 --> 01:18:19.020
individual costs of those single pieces of tech.

01:18:19.500 --> 01:18:23.460
And it was like back in those days, it was literally

01:18:23.460 --> 01:18:28.159
tens of thousands of dollars worth of tech condensed

01:18:28.159 --> 01:18:32.359
into a single cell phone. Yeah. And it was just

01:18:32.359 --> 01:18:33.939
mind blowing to kind of sit there and think like,

01:18:33.979 --> 01:18:38.039
I grew up watching all that happen. I watched

01:18:38.039 --> 01:18:41.159
all this tech become. thing i i learned it i

01:18:41.159 --> 01:18:44.020
learned about it i sold a lot of it working in

01:18:44.020 --> 01:18:48.779
retail stores you know uh kmart sears you know

01:18:48.779 --> 01:18:52.260
i i worked there i i sold learned and explained

01:18:52.260 --> 01:18:56.119
this stuff to people that was my job and then

01:18:56.119 --> 01:18:59.000
seeing i remember growing up and seeing mp3s

01:18:59.000 --> 01:19:02.300
become big yeah oh yeah wave files were the thing

01:19:02.300 --> 01:19:05.279
and then mp3 comes around it's like oh my god

01:19:05.279 --> 01:19:10.279
it's a third the size and it sounds amazing right

01:19:10.279 --> 01:19:13.140
yeah then you had the mp3 players came out in

01:19:13.140 --> 01:19:16.600
the late 90s and i'm sitting there like oh this

01:19:16.600 --> 01:19:18.979
is the way it's gonna happen this is what's happening

01:19:18.979 --> 01:19:22.399
so neek was my favorite mp3 player because you

01:19:22.399 --> 01:19:25.060
could download little mods to put the visuals

01:19:25.060 --> 01:19:27.119
on screen and these little stick figures would

01:19:27.119 --> 01:19:29.359
dance to the music and i loved i loved that one

01:19:29.359 --> 01:19:34.520
as sad as it is i loved the zoom i never had

01:19:34.520 --> 01:19:38.239
microsoft Those were actually really cool. If

01:19:38.239 --> 01:19:41.159
they had advertised them better and made them,

01:19:41.220 --> 01:19:45.600
I don't know. The interface on it I thought was

01:19:45.600 --> 01:19:48.460
amazing. It's just, unfortunately, Apple had

01:19:48.460 --> 01:19:52.359
better optics, I think. The Zune was cool. The

01:19:52.359 --> 01:19:55.420
problem is the physical product didn't feel as

01:19:55.420 --> 01:19:59.479
nice as the first -generation iPod. Yeah, I think

01:19:59.479 --> 01:20:00.960
that's what the issue was. But the Zune software,

01:20:01.140 --> 01:20:02.760
I agree with you, interfaced with the computer

01:20:02.760 --> 01:20:05.449
way better. So I had both. Yeah. I was one of

01:20:05.449 --> 01:20:08.170
those guys, because again, music guy, when the

01:20:08.170 --> 01:20:11.770
iPod came out, I got, I appreciate, this is one

01:20:11.770 --> 01:20:13.729
of the few Christmas presents I ever asked for,

01:20:13.829 --> 01:20:16.229
is I got, I believe it was the first iPod, I

01:20:16.229 --> 01:20:18.390
thought it was like a 40 gig, back in like 2006,

01:20:18.750 --> 01:20:21.729
2004, whatever. Huge. I could have any song I

01:20:21.729 --> 01:20:25.130
ever wanted on that thing. And I had it stolen

01:20:25.130 --> 01:20:29.710
from me in 2016. It was still working. It was

01:20:29.710 --> 01:20:32.369
stolen out of my fucking van. And whoever stole

01:20:32.369 --> 01:20:35.159
it, I can't say what I hope happens to you on

01:20:35.159 --> 01:20:37.520
stream because we'll get banned. But just so

01:20:37.520 --> 01:20:40.760
you know, you're the only reason I pray. Just

01:20:40.760 --> 01:20:44.460
so you know. Oh, man. I can only imagine. You

01:20:44.460 --> 01:20:46.619
are the only reason I pray. Oh, wow. Because

01:20:46.619 --> 01:20:50.020
I had all of it. It was awesome. It still worked.

01:20:50.180 --> 01:20:52.420
But a buddy of mine had a Zune because when I

01:20:52.420 --> 01:20:54.399
got the iPod, I did have a Zune. It was like,

01:20:54.420 --> 01:20:56.460
oh, that's cool. And he got one. He still had

01:20:56.460 --> 01:20:59.220
it working up until college. Like that was back

01:20:59.220 --> 01:21:00.920
when things were pretty quality made, but they

01:21:00.920 --> 01:21:04.550
were really cool. And the funny part is, is things

01:21:04.550 --> 01:21:07.510
were quality made even better before that. So

01:21:07.510 --> 01:21:11.670
that says something. Because even back in the

01:21:11.670 --> 01:21:15.130
late 90s, early 2000s, we thought stuff then

01:21:15.130 --> 01:21:19.069
was made like shit. So I can only imagine. Oh,

01:21:19.109 --> 01:21:21.680
yeah. Dude, I had a CD player that my mom gave

01:21:21.680 --> 01:21:24.020
me when I was like fucking four that it still

01:21:24.020 --> 01:21:25.720
worked up until a few years ago. I threw it in

01:21:25.720 --> 01:21:27.460
the trash because it was worth nothing to me

01:21:27.460 --> 01:21:29.699
because I don't even have any CDs. But I found

01:21:29.699 --> 01:21:31.439
it. I put new batteries in it. It still worked.

01:21:31.460 --> 01:21:35.880
I was like, are you kidding me? Nice. That stuff

01:21:35.880 --> 01:21:38.840
was the stuff that was made to last. It was an

01:21:38.840 --> 01:21:42.859
old Sony. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, Sony stuff? Absolutely

01:21:42.859 --> 01:21:47.300
back then. Yep. You couldn't break some of that

01:21:47.300 --> 01:21:50.460
stuff. Nope. Sony and Panasonic, those were the

01:21:50.460 --> 01:21:53.659
ones that you just couldn't break them. It was

01:21:53.659 --> 01:21:57.079
just like Nintendo Game Boy. You could slam that

01:21:57.079 --> 01:22:01.000
thing around and it continued working. Those

01:22:01.000 --> 01:22:07.390
were the Nokia phones of Vice's back. Yes. You

01:22:07.390 --> 01:22:10.270
know what? I always wanted to know, as I joke

01:22:10.270 --> 01:22:11.750
with you guys, that when I die, I hope I see

01:22:11.750 --> 01:22:13.970
a death statistic, like you do in a video game

01:22:13.970 --> 01:22:15.649
with all this stuff. I want to know how many

01:22:15.649 --> 01:22:17.789
people in this world were killed with a Game

01:22:17.789 --> 01:22:20.010
Boy as a deadly weapon. Because it's not zero.

01:22:20.210 --> 01:22:23.130
I know it's not zero. It's definitely not zero.

01:22:23.529 --> 01:22:30.750
It's the same with Cowbell. Not zero. So before

01:22:30.750 --> 01:22:34.210
we wrap the show up, some things to kind of consider.

01:22:34.770 --> 01:22:38.449
How to become un -AI -able. focus on the physical

01:22:38.449 --> 01:22:43.250
and the tactile and the relational. If your job

01:22:43.250 --> 01:22:45.409
can be done in a dark room with a screen, you

01:22:45.409 --> 01:22:48.609
are at risk. If your job requires a wrench, a

01:22:48.609 --> 01:22:51.569
site visit, or a nuanced negotiation, you're

01:22:51.569 --> 01:22:55.909
pretty safe. For those in leadership positions,

01:22:56.909 --> 01:23:00.930
a plea for institutional memory, don't cut the

01:23:00.930 --> 01:23:04.369
rungs of the ladder that you climbed. So if you're

01:23:04.369 --> 01:23:05.949
somebody who is getting advanced through the

01:23:05.949 --> 01:23:09.250
ranks, Remember where you came from. For the

01:23:09.250 --> 01:23:11.909
people that take those positions under you, they

01:23:11.909 --> 01:23:16.510
have to learn. And in front of and behind, people

01:23:16.510 --> 01:23:23.090
will need to be put in place. So something to

01:23:23.090 --> 01:23:25.949
think about, AI is a mirror of the person using

01:23:25.949 --> 01:23:30.149
it. If an outright idiot uses AI, they just become

01:23:30.149 --> 01:23:33.189
a high -speed idiot. And we're currently living

01:23:33.189 --> 01:23:36.569
through a high -speed ADC bubble. We are, in

01:23:36.569 --> 01:23:39.130
fact, on the idiocracy timeline. I am convinced

01:23:39.130 --> 01:23:42.689
of this. All I get pictures giving an idiot.

01:23:42.789 --> 01:23:47.630
I was like, yes, I'm stupid, but faster. I never

01:23:47.630 --> 01:23:53.350
thought about it like that, though. So some things

01:23:53.350 --> 01:23:55.449
I wanted to leave everybody with. And again,

01:23:55.869 --> 01:23:58.130
chime in in the comments if you guys want to

01:23:58.130 --> 01:24:02.359
or get a hold of us otherwise. Is it possible

01:24:02.359 --> 01:24:04.420
that we've reached a point where our digital

01:24:04.420 --> 01:24:07.220
models are so perfect that we've forgotten the

01:24:07.220 --> 01:24:09.779
physical world is messy, rusted, and breaks in

01:24:09.779 --> 01:24:15.880
ways that a computer cannot predict? If we stop

01:24:15.880 --> 01:24:18.600
hiring 22 -year -olds to do the boring engineering

01:24:18.600 --> 01:24:21.500
work, who's going to have the 20 years of experience

01:24:21.500 --> 01:24:24.180
needed to fix the power grids and whatnot in

01:24:24.180 --> 01:24:30.579
2045? Why are we letting people who have never

01:24:30.579 --> 01:24:33.239
built anything make the decision to fire the

01:24:33.239 --> 01:24:39.420
people who build everything? That's valid. And

01:24:39.420 --> 01:24:47.560
with that, I have nothing else to add of value.

01:24:47.960 --> 01:24:53.859
We have literally touched on the tips of everything

01:24:53.859 --> 01:24:59.010
that I wanted to cover in the notes. We I do

01:24:59.010 --> 01:25:01.250
really like your phrase by the way for job requires

01:25:01.250 --> 01:25:03.550
a wrench a site visit or a nuanced negotiation

01:25:03.550 --> 01:25:07.390
You are the future. Yes a hundred percent bit

01:25:07.390 --> 01:25:09.430
of advice You're really good at dealing with

01:25:09.430 --> 01:25:11.750
people and are nice and courteous and you have

01:25:11.750 --> 01:25:14.630
manners for some reason you stick out even more

01:25:14.630 --> 01:25:17.649
Than before people don't know how to be kind

01:25:17.649 --> 01:25:19.369
and nice to each other and have manners and be

01:25:19.369 --> 01:25:22.189
approachable and pleasant Do that and you're

01:25:22.189 --> 01:25:24.810
gonna nail everything It's weird. It's weird

01:25:24.810 --> 01:25:25.890
the amount of customers that come in. It's like

01:25:25.890 --> 01:25:27.470
wow, you're just really nice. I'm like, I'm just

01:25:27.710 --> 01:25:30.130
being me like this is not me just trying to be

01:25:30.130 --> 01:25:32.710
like oh look how good I am but it's like apparently

01:25:32.710 --> 01:25:34.149
people are really fucking rude everywhere you

01:25:34.149 --> 01:25:36.550
go and then I go to other shops and realize Jesus

01:25:36.550 --> 01:25:39.329
Christ you people are miserable and rude so just

01:25:39.329 --> 01:25:42.050
or you come to other states and realize how nice

01:25:42.050 --> 01:25:47.029
some people are in some areas I know not me though

01:25:47.029 --> 01:25:53.390
I'm an asshole so he's a dick no one around Boston's

01:25:53.390 --> 01:25:57.430
happy we all hate it here But at the end of the

01:25:57.430 --> 01:26:02.310
day, all the AI in the world can't explain the

01:26:02.310 --> 01:26:05.069
sound of a bearing it makes right before it seizes.

01:26:05.750 --> 01:26:10.289
It can't tell you why the crew on Site B always

01:26:10.289 --> 01:26:15.529
ignores the manual. It can't tell you... Nerd

01:26:15.529 --> 01:26:18.930
shift. Yeah. It definitely will never tell you

01:26:18.930 --> 01:26:22.590
that it's going to take the heat. when a perfect

01:26:22.590 --> 01:26:24.609
simulation meets a very expensive real -world

01:26:24.609 --> 01:26:29.329
disaster. So these are things that, while AI

01:26:29.329 --> 01:26:32.350
is great, there are people who are making the

01:26:32.350 --> 01:26:35.310
decision to replace people with it and not take

01:26:35.310 --> 01:26:40.609
these things into consideration. So from the

01:26:40.609 --> 01:26:43.109
bottom of my heart, I hope anybody who hears

01:26:43.109 --> 01:26:49.970
my voice is not affected by that. Here's a really

01:26:49.970 --> 01:26:52.569
good real -world example. You always see those

01:26:52.569 --> 01:26:54.890
videos about the guys that are taking super hot

01:26:54.890 --> 01:26:57.789
metal down the lane and then bring it around.

01:26:57.989 --> 01:27:00.470
And then for whatever reason, something goes

01:27:00.470 --> 01:27:03.470
tits up and the metal goes flying everywhere,

01:27:03.569 --> 01:27:06.329
but it keeps coming out. You could almost look

01:27:06.329 --> 01:27:09.810
at AI like that, where it knows it's supposed

01:27:09.810 --> 01:27:13.430
to be shooting it out, but it has no idea what's

01:27:13.430 --> 01:27:16.010
happening on the other end and not realizing

01:27:16.010 --> 01:27:20.350
I should stop. Because now there is molten metal

01:27:20.350 --> 01:27:24.329
going everywhere and there's nothing to tell

01:27:24.329 --> 01:27:34.449
it to stop. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, unless you

01:27:34.449 --> 01:27:36.850
guys have anything else to add in, like I said,

01:27:36.890 --> 01:27:39.729
if you guys have stories that you want to share

01:27:39.729 --> 01:27:42.989
with us, hit us up on the socials, send us an

01:27:42.989 --> 01:27:47.909
email. Now we consume a gmail .com. Tell us any

01:27:47.909 --> 01:27:52.649
stories that you've got. If we get some good

01:27:52.649 --> 01:27:54.189
ones, we'll read them out on the next episode.

01:27:55.550 --> 01:28:00.090
Why not? Until then, keep your hands on your

01:28:00.090 --> 01:28:03.569
tools, make your eyes off the prompts. We'll

01:28:03.569 --> 01:28:04.149
see you all next time.