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tonight with just one co -host, Gibbles. Did
you like that one, buddy? Oh! Yeah. Thank you. Gibbs
could not join us. He has other commitments with
life. So if you're watching the video stream,
we've got a little stand in. Mansley is posting
up and joining us tonight. But tonight we're
going to discuss DARPA, the Defense Advanced
Research Projects Agency. We're going to be talking
about some of the various projects that have
been made available to the public. as well as
the agency itself, from their roots and inception
to some of their current advanced programs that
aim to keep Americans safe and the bad guys ready
to meet their maker in the most expensive and
biggest display of fuck you way possible. Yeah,
we've all heard of DARPA here and there. They've
been kind of that whisper in the bedsheets of
America's... going on in the military industrial
complex. But some of the things that have come
out are true, some of the things are not true,
and some of the things are just kind of downright
scary. You were talking... Like the... I was
going to say, just like the potato cannon, my
boys and I jumped up for F -15 strike. Do tell.
Oh, yeah. When I was in tech school, we had some
guy come out. I don't remember where he was from,
but he was showing off some. Actually, no, it
wasn't tech school. Oh, my God. This is so long
ago. It's okay. Where was I? Yeah, man. Maybe
it was Mountain Home when I was TDY. I just remembered
that we had a guy come out talking about a new
bomb system. and showed us blueprints and how
we would possibly be loading these bombs on the
wings of the jet and everything. And then we
were like, well, hey, when we're looking at this,
couldn't you take a couple pipes using the mechanism
that we use for the BDUs, the little blue bomb,
you know, targeting bombs, you know, that the
pilots use to practice and turn it into an impromptu
potato cannon? And the guy looked at her drawings
and he went... yeah oh no actually this would
work not sure how far the he's like i'm not sure
how far the potatoes would go but you know it
will fire in the name of science i was like right
i was like we need to find out if this will work
not not officially sadly no but we did yeah not
officially but we did find out you know the particular
design they were showing us was pretty good Unfortunately,
it would have turned the jet into a mock bomber.
There's nothing wrong with that. Right. Unfortunately,
we found out that's kind of frowned upon around
the world, but hey, whatever. That's most of
what we do. True. That's why I have my drinking
issues. Your drinking issues and my dark humor.
So, Darklo has a confirmed history of human experiments,
both willing and unwilling, as well as some very
deep -seated ties to the MKUltra program. They
do, however, have some very cutting -edge drone
programs that have been coming to light over
the past five to seven years. I am not unconvinced
that the big drone hubbub we had, was it earlier
this year or late last year? Because it all kind
of blurs together. It was earlier this year,
I believe it was, if I remember right. It's been
a long year. I'm not unconvinced that that was
not... You cannot change my mind that that was
DARPA. That was some kind of a DARPA test. They
were doing some bullshit. That was what that
was. I will go to my grave until I'm told otherwise.
I will say that... maybe it was last year God
I just know it was like after that the whole
drone thing in Ukraine started really kicking
off I mean it was happening during that point
like it started getting big but it was it was
after that that all of a sudden you had like
some serious Yeah. All the big drone usage in
Ukraine. Yeah. That's when Ukraine launched that
big box truck drone operation. Yeah. So that's,
that's a good time. Cause I think it was after
that, when Israel detonated all this, was it
both? What the hell are those things called?
Yes. The pagers. God, I can't remember that.
And I was alive during that time. Yeah. god it's
okay we're the same age it's all right i feel
you so every day it just gets harder so the the
big goal for tonight's discussion is to uh really
bring to light whether or not we and and you
guys listening along actually feel that all the
innovations from darpa whether they out the the
good outweighs the bad um Whether DARPA's innovations
really cross into that evil territory or if it's
really just the cost of progress, that decision
is ultimately up to us and you, the listeners,
and the public at large. We would really like
to hear thoughts in the form of some kind of
interaction on the socials. Oh, no. Be that on
Instagram, YouTube. any of the various audio
platforms, hit us up. Let us know if you hear
one of the segments and it, you know, tickles
your grundle, just let us know what your thoughts
are. If it touches your FUPA. Yes. If it headbutts
the FUPA, absolutely. So also, if you don't know
what a FUPA is, I encourage you to look that
up. Along with getting one neared. Yes. Oh, so
yes. Look that one up too. It's a good one. So
DARPA's shady roots in human experiments actually
has echoes of the Nazis and MK ultra. Yup. That
was only. But that was only because of the fact
that they brought the Nazis over because we said,
fuck you. We want the rocket tech. So Operation
Paperclip, we discussed that back in our, what
was it? The government really is lying to you
episode. We didn't just take on a bunch of former
scientists. We actually brought a bunch of war
criminals over to this country to work for us.
Yes, we did. Was that a good thing? Was that
a bad thing? It really depends on if you think
the things that have come out of the DARPA research
really are better for society at large. DARPA
wasn't around for the worst of it, but its tech
does build on a lot of the dark history. As I
said, Operation Paperclip brought a lot of the
Nazis over. A lot of those were on the list of
people who experimented on concentration camp
prisoners. They used mescaline for mind control,
which tapers into the MKUltra program, which,
as you know, the CIA funded LSD dosing of both
willing and unwilling people. They had... that's
as bad as when you know you got guys got tested
on with chemical weapons hey go march through
this field and let's see what happens the tuskegee
experiments that was that too god yeah i mean
so for just a fucked up individual's gonna think
that shit up when i read and i'm going to kind
of segue for a second when i read that there
were scientists and doctors in those camps injecting
people with turpentine just to test and see how
much it took to kill somebody. I mean, it was
just... They were literally just testing the
limits of the human body at that point. Jesus,
that's as bad as what the Japanese did to the
damn Chinese. It's disgusting. When you dive
into the history of the human race, you find
out... we can do some terrible things to each
other and that really kind of hits you in the
gut but back on topic uh psychic driving that
could erase people's personalities um yeah but
then didn't they find out like a lot of that
shit well things like the remote viewing the
uh psychic warfare all the different like psyop
stuff that they did There's a lot of that that's
still classified to this day. Things like trying
to walk through walls. I should have written
it down. There was a high -ranking colonel or
general who took it upon himself to think that
he could vibrate through walls. He literally
stood up from his desk after reading something
and tried to run through a wall and broke his
nose. how many times do you have to do that where
you realized no i can't do that there is research
that is freely available on the internet that
will tell you how to do this stuff it's it's
like mind um mind level stuff we'll just call
it it's crazy i've read some of it our buddy
lt he's very much into that kind of stuff from
reading about it and oh absolutely yes yes if
if anybody's interested we'd be happy to share
what we are privy to as far as what we've seen
just you know hit us up and we'll we'll make
it through there um we'll make it available to
you guys oh yeah gibbs Gibbs is like, you walk
through walls, you mean living with 9 ,999 paintings?
Yeah. So DARPA's modern neurotech is a lot like
the Brain Initiative. I do not have that on reference,
if you want to look that one up. The DARPA Brain
Initiative feels like a sequel. Actually, I think
it leads into what SpaceX and Elon, are doing
with the neural link mapping brains for potential
control. So that leads to the issue of, is that
evil inheritance or just evolution? Okay. So
some of the stuff I'm getting is more about mapping
the brain in order to restore brain function.
through new tools for sensing and interfacing
neural circuits, kind of like what Elon's doing
now, where you could interface with a PC just
with your brain. And then supporting military
needs like restoring function after injury, enabling
better prosthetics, which actually that would
be a very good benefit. The flip side of that,
I think, that could enable us to... remotely
control robots for field use um yeah i think
that's a good military application for that oh
yeah what movie was that with uh bruce willis
where they were all surrogates yes that would
be a very good surrogates thing so i'm not saying
i try to refrain from bringing chat yes too often
but since gibbs is chiming in on this one, and
he is a part of the show. He is saying that the
brain initiative still eludes Joe Biden to this
day. I think that's hilarious. And I would like
to point out we're recording this recently after
Gary Busey went out. Oh, you saw that video too?
I would like to say that I think he is still
more lucid than President Biden ever was while
in office. The fact that somebody held the camera
and didn't start busting his butt is amazing.
Dude, I lost it. That was amazing. If I had been
driving and saw that, I probably would have just
pissed myself. Oh, God. When I saw that come
up, I was like, oh, God, someone put him back
on the internet. We're done. That's how the year's
ending. right there yeah well as soon as i saw
it i went oh shit he's old and yeah mother nature
said ugly stick here's the ugly bomb here you
go so so we we talked about all that i wanted
the the pro of all this these experiments they've
led to medical breakthroughs but we we have better
understanding of the brain for treating ps or
PTSD sorry in vets as well as the general public
trauma victims and all sorts of stuff is that
bettering society at large knowing what we've
drawn from the tech to use in the battlefield
the the con of all this unwilling subjects kidnappings
for the things like psyche driving the mk ultra
level experiments that's straight up unethical
even if it is for national security does it cross
lines beyond the point of for the sake of the
better good yeah i mean there would have to be
some controls into it you know outside an organization
that's not under governmental control that would
be speaking up going, Hey, this, this is going
in a direction we don't want it to go kind of
thing. Almost like we should have with AI. So
question for everybody listening. If DARPA claims
that all of the current tests are on willing
volunteers, how do we know that coercion isn't,
involved in military settings because they're
literally ordered to go do this shit. They can
say they're, they're being volunteered or that
it's, it's a voluntary thing, but I mean, Gibbles
and I both know when they ask for volunteers,
you're, they're not really asking for volunteers.
They're looking for the voluntolds. So, yeah.
How many times you've been voluntold over the
years when you were in for voluntary fun day?
Well, only imagine. I will say Steel Beach Picnic.
That was a good mandatory fun day. I got my two
beers in the Red Sea. You. Yeah, you didn't sit
through a almost. What was the was it? I think
it was like three hours of a motivational speaker.
And he was only supposed to be on stage for like
30 minutes. And it was so bad, even the base
commander was like, all right, all right, you're
done, dude. You're done. Yes. So many of us were
sitting in the background from the weapons community
going, ah, I can't. I would have jumped up and
been like, man, you motivated me to just go hang
myself. I'm out of here. If it wasn't for the
base commander being on stage trying to get the
guy off the stage because he wouldn't shut the
fuck up. Oh, yeah. I probably would have jumped
on that sword. I was ready for it. Oh, and I
do want to touch on, before we move to a different
topic, Operation Midnight Climax, where they
were dosing civilians via prostitutes for observation.
Oh, yeah. I personally think that rate's very
high on the evil meter. But that's DARPA's and
not the CIA. Yeah. So should we, should, go ahead.
Yeah, because, no, I was going to say, yeah,
because that, that's really getting dirty. So
that kind of leans into the question. Given the
way that they came to be, their existence came
to be, do we blame them for the past? I mean.
there's a lot of things that exist today you
cannot apply the standards of the modern day
to the past and i think it holds true it ends
up being one of the i think it's one of those
things where it's like as long as we do better
we learn from history and we try not to repeat
it so yeah it's like the our country did it start
off on the right foot in some ways yes some ways
no some way the whole could have been way better
true we could have just mitigated everyone just
said eff it an attempt was at least thank god
we didn't yeah yeah just unfortunately we had
some very greedy individuals so now i would like
to think we're trying to do better So, again,
in DARPA's case, they did some really cruddy
shit back in the day, but it was always in the
idea that somebody's going to fuck around and
find out, and we need to be the ones that are
going to show them why they fucked around and
they're about to find out. I think a lot of it
is the case of if we don't do it, somebody else
will, and we'll have no way to stop it. Yes.
And I think a lot of that is the reason and the
push behind the escalation of force for the development
of our military program and the different weapons
and whatnot. Because especially with like AI,
that's why a lot of the reins are being withheld
from AI, because if we don't do it, somebody
else will and they won't have our best interest
at heart. So, yeah. That is true. Which is totally
pissing off everybody. I went to Best Buy and
saw RAM prices in person. Fuck this shit. Dude.
Dude. The fact that I want $400 for 32 gigs of
DDR5 in Best Buy right now. I wanted to just
slap somebody. Or even worse, the video card
prices are going to go up astronomical because
you have the Freaking moronic CEO who already
thinks that we're not spending enough. You know,
let's make PC gaming even more of a rich person
hobby. Oh, we're going to reduce production by
40 % for the consumers because we're going to
devote more to AI. If you listening are a part
of the gaming culture, then you've probably been
following what's been going on. We may end up
doing a whole episode. Hopefully you've upgraded.
We may end up doing a whole episode based on
that. Because there are some big and major changes
not in the good way coming to that. And a lot
of it's being driven by data centers and AI.
They're gobbling up GPUs and RAM and solid state
hard drives. Things that people need for computers
to do things. It's not a good time to be in the
market for a PC right now. Yeah, we're definitely
going to have to talk about it because people
are already, you know, I've seen on Reddit where
even the crazy hat conspirators and the lefties
and the righties are all worried about the fact
that maybe this is happening because then...
You're going to end up getting a small little
device that makes you stream your game so you
don't own anything. But they've got to have better
internet for that to happen. And that's not something
they've been upgrading. True. Yeah, that's because
of the fact that they deregulated the cable companies.
So there's no incentive for them to get better.
So a couple questions before we move on. Does
inheriting Nazi tech make DARPA inherently tainted?
You don't think so? No. No. The tech itself is
fine. As long as the intentions that it's being
used for are altruistic, or however you say that
word. Altruistic. Yeah. And as long as the end
of the day, you're using that tech for the right
reason, to hell where it came from. And not only
that, we won the war against the Nazis. We destroyed
them. Great. So guess what? If we find a bunch
of crap that's usable for our own populace that's
going to benefit us and benefit the country for
our betterment, then guess what? That's what's
going to happen. There's no need to get squeamish
about it. It's just, guess what? Shit happens.
Brain interfaces versus the risk of mind control
abuse. Do you think that's in the interest of
the greater good or not? I don't know because
I'm kind of torn in both directions because I've
seen it used for good. I've seen individuals
are fully paralyzed that can't interact with
anybody without just moving their eyes to the
type out. But with the brain interface that.
that uh elon created i saw somebody in a documentary
that was using it to be outside with his family
and be able to talk to them through the computer
and spend time with their children to me that's
amazing yeah so the fact that he was able to
do that i mean that's why i'm torn because i'm
like yeah i worry that this could be abused But
at the same time, the benefits that have come
out just for this one person, it's like, it's
huge. Because who would have thought 20 years
ago, you'd have a paraplegic who can barely,
the only thing he can do is move his Mark I eyeballs
around, and now he's connected to a PC through
his brain connection, and he's able to sit there
and talk and interact with his children. 20 years
ago, we would have been like, yeah, there's no...
It all just seems like sci -fi now. Pure Star
Trek talk. That's happening today. Look at the
prosthetics and stuff that we're getting now
because of all the studies and experiments that
come out from companies like DARPA. I'm reasonably
sure that 3D printing was not invented by them.
But I think they have pushed some of the boundaries
of 3D printing. And a lot of the things that
we're getting in that field are pretty amazing
nowadays. Yep. Even the military uses 3D printing
now. Would you volunteer for a DARPA brain hack
experiment? This is to you and all the people
listening. Hell yeah. Hell yeah, I would. I've
done so much crazy shit in my life now. What
the hell? Let's add it to the bucket list. Let's
do it. What's the worst? What's the worst that
could happen? Oh, I already know the worst could
happen. Either dead or paralyzed from the neck
down. Can't talk. I'm just sitting here drooling.
Just hoping somebody... All right, let's hope
somebody comes along and just shows me titties.
I can't touch them, but I can look at them. Stuck
in my brain going, that's right. I'm hoping for
that really good nurse that's just like, you
know what? He's going to die anyways. Here you
go. And she's like 20 in Brazil. Thank you. Or
Colombian. Ooh la la. Yeah. Some, you know, just
something nice. not normally found in the u .s
you know so well kind of uh yes that's a nice
accent always sells it um yes we'll kind of lead
into the sorry uh the the brain machine interfaces
and also the super soldier program as well as
a little bit more on the yeah mk ultra 2 .0 uh
part god i'm sorry to interrupt but you saying
the super soldier program all i can think of
is the deleted scene from terminator 2 when schwarzenegger
was the private and they were showing like the
behind the scenes stuff and the military guys
were looking at the the demo video of the original
terminators and arnold actually had like a squeaky
voice and then they're like can we do something
about the voice and the one scientist comes in
and goes oh yes we can totally change it oh dude
it's hilarious it's one of those like deleted
scenes that i don't even know why they cut it
it was awesome look look into that that's that
sounds like it's worth a watch yeah yes i had
it when uh it was when they were releasing blu
-rays of it and i got like this collector steel
edition of it and it was on that but yeah no
you said super soldier my brain went autism exactly
i had the tism right for a moment so uh darpa
has uh been deep diving into neurotech uh in
three is the division they have for that. It's
for non -invasive brain interfaces to control
drones with thoughts, which that's fucking terrifying.
That Chinese kid has the flying sword, so I don't
know if you saw that or not. Oh yeah, that was
amazing. I was like, oh, how do I get that? So
they're using that to hack brains for better
aim via magnetic stimulation. Augmented cognition.
And I'm sorry, there's a lot of big words in
this because these notes are girthy. Augmented
cognition keeps soldiers superhuman with both
drugs and tech. Critics call it evil for potential
remote torture or erasing free will. So the thought
that you could get some kind of remote access
to somebody's brain. The thought that you could
get in there and just start fiddling around with
the different centers in someone's head. You
could cause ungodly levels of fear, anxiety,
panic, pain is the big one. You could just activate
all the pain centers all at once. You could also
disable the pain and fear receptors. If you did
that, oh boy. There's a movie. Out on, I think
it's Amazon. With the Quaid kid. The one from
The Boys. Novocaine. That's what it is. It's
a fucking good movie. That was an awesome movie.
It is. That was an awesome popcorn flick. That's
what his deal is. He can't feel any pain. So
that's actually not the worst thing. But there
are a lot of downsides. But being able to control
somebody's entire brain like that. Think about
it. You could disable their arms, disable their
legs. Give them prolonged erections if you wanted
to. Wait till they're in a meeting and just.
Oh, Jesus. That's my ninth grade year all over
again in my math class. 9 .30 a .m. every day
for an entire 12 months. You should have started
knocking one out in the morning first thing.
Or two. I'm 44 years old, so I don't even care
anymore. But yeah, no, I tried that. Didn't work.
Teenage hormones suck. Let's see, where did we
go? So yeah. We did. We went down a very dark
path. Since Gibbs is chiming in remotely, he
says that he hates everything that we just said.
And that is completely on par. Yes. So yeah,
this tech could actually save lives by enhancing
soldiers' focus and reducing errors in combat.
I do think that, yes, that is a thing, but the
con of it, the invasive implants, the ability
to just have authoritarian regimes use this for
like population control. I think this one, the
evil potential is just massively off the charts.
But they already have something like that to
enhance soldiers' focus. It's called butt caffeine.
Right. You want the fastest way to get freaking
caffeine in your system? Right on 3rd Avenue,
buddy. Yeah. It's called a coffee enema. Just
make sure it's not hot. Yeah. It's iceberg brew
through on third Avenue is definitely, I would
like to open up a coffee stand and just call
it third Avenue coffee. Just see how many people
get it. Oh my God. Oh my God. I'd be the first
in line just for the giggles. I got my coffee
via third Avenue. You're still drinking normally.
He's still in a little IV bag with a funnel.
Or the cup is a funnel. There you go. Awesome.
Meth chocolate? So you could liken a lot of the
historical DOD lapses like what we just talked
about to the radiation tests that were done on
troops. Consent back then was shaky at best.
There's still no real consent when you're in
the military because you're considered property.
So would there be trust now? Is willing really
willing when it's your actual job on the line?
Because like you just said, in the military,
you're property. You are owned. You are government
property. Yeah. So if the government decides,
hey, we got to put this in your body, that's
why people got kicked out. As much as I didn't
want to take the vaccine for COVID, I understood
why people didn't want to. But the unfortunate
part was you really don't have a say. Yeah. You
don't get much of a say in the military. And
if you're saying no, they're lucky they didn't
go to jail for a little while. And as I said
before, I hate everything about it. I took it
only because. You know, the wife at the time
was like, I have an extra and you need to take
it. And next thing I know, I was having a seizure
on the floor. And I've never had a seizure before
that day. We've got an episode about a lot of
the COVID stuff on the docket. So we'll get there.
Yeah. Yeah. Because a lot of the people are finding
out now about the vaccine, especially. Oh, buddy.
oh the fact that uh there's people with heart
conditions now i'll go ahead and we'll we'll
give a spoiler and now they're black label stuff
that's coming out about the vaccine yeah buddy
yeah yeah great so uh sci -fi or reality question
given the way that they could use this technology
to control a person's body knowing what we know
about the body as a whole Could DARPA create
a type of zombie soldier with the tech? Hmm.
Because some types of death aren't real death
biologically. If you think about it from a technology
standpoint. Well. Yeah. I mean, since we are,
if we understand enough of what part of the brain
keeps us. you know your heart pumping keeps your
muscles moving and everything i mean it's possible
it really is in the realm of possibility however
do we have the technology there to actually pull
that off and from a distance because you're talking
you know the tech you know nanotech to be able
to initiate the neurons in a meaningful way that
the brain would send signals to the heart to
keep the blood flowing to then send signals to
the muscles to make it walk let alone you know
the fact that you know the body would then need
to be able to control a weapon not you're and
using i don't know pure baseline function think
like living dead zombie or walking dead zombies
I just don't think we have it yet. What about
in 20 years? Because DARPA tech is technically
20 years ahead of what the public sees. 20 years,
I could say, you know, probably. 20 years from
now, I'd say, yeah, they probably have it. Yes,
we probably could right now. Because, again,
DARPA tech is usually 20 years ahead of what
we see. And what we see now. No, I still. From
everything I experienced in the military versus
what we got, what we worked with, and things
that I've seen, I still think they have at least
at bare minimum 20, 30 years before they actually
have something like that. Okay. Working reliably.
I don't think we're there yet, but I think they're
getting close. If that's what they're working
on. So we talked about the super soldier stuff.
Human enhancement for defense. Is that crossing
an ethical line? Is it heroic or is it playing
God? Hmm. Well, I mean, it depends on what kind
of enhancements we're talking about. Horse cock.
I was waiting for you to say that. So I stayed
quiet. And again, how many women would you scare
off with an enhancement like that? Usually it
just takes my face. Probably. You're going to
have a very small selection of human women that
are going to be like, oh, that's great. And the
rest of them are normal and they're going to
be like, oh, hell no. You better get the hell
out of my house. Side note, little segue story.
Years ago, I was friends with somebody who was
friends with a woman who went out on a date with
John Holmes. She did not know who John Holmes
was when she went out on the date with him. She
was saying that the date was going well. They
went somewhere. I don't remember where they were
making out. She started getting handsy and she
just kept feeling more and more and more. And
then she passed out because she was like, Oh,
Oh no. Oh no. If you're listening and you'd like
to know who John Holmes is, look that up, not
at work and do it in a safe browser. It is not
safe for work. John Holmes is an Ohio guy, though.
Oh, my God. A little food for thought there.
Is that what's wrong with you, Ohioans? It's
in the corn. The fact that you guys don't do
vehicle inspections just drives me nuts. The
old cop in me is just going WTF. Let me ask you
this, just to see what would add to the evil
narrative. What kind of unverified rumors from
DARPA that you've heard about would really put
a lot of this kind of stuff we've been talking
about into the, yes, DARPA is fucking evil, such
as nanobots in the food supply or vaccines in
the food supply even. Well, the vaccines in the
food supply is already well known because they
vaccinate chickens, cows, and all that stuff.
So all that has to go. Yeah, lettuce. I mean,
that all has to go somewhere. I mean, for God's
sakes, we have microplastics in our food. So,
you know, circle of life. It's all coming back
around. So vaccines wise, even with a rumor,
we all know it's there. That's why you have organic
food. Even then, organic food is not really organic
when, again, microplastics. But, yeah, nanobots
and food, however, that could be bad. I saw that
episode of Futurama. Yeah, I could definitely
see some religious groups losing their shit over
something like that if a rumor came out like
that one. Oh, God. Stains that are food. No.
They force fed me the mark of the beast. Oh,
I'm sorry. I would just have to run around with
the fingers on my forehead. Red rum. Just to
fuck with people. I would go out of my way to
buy that food just to mess with someone. Do you
know what's in that food? I sure do, and it's
delicious. I will eat it raw. People wonder why
I carry the human consumption guide on my phone.
Shifting to drones. The drone programs from swarms
to sky dominance. There is an offset for 250
plus drone swarms. in urban warfare and aerial
dragnet to track enemy UAVs, which would be an
ancillary support for ship -launched VTOL beasts,
vertical takeoff and landing, carrying heavy
payloads, long -shot launches from planes for
safer air combat, sprints for runway -free speed
demons. So... They can use these drones. I know
we've kind of talked a little bit about drones
to carry out all kinds of reconnaissance, swarm
attacks, drone -based payload delivery via drone
bombing campaigns. What we used to do with the
B -52, the carpet bombing campaigns, they can
now achieve at a much more precise scale. with
a drone bombing run. They don't have to carpet
bomb an entire city. They could essentially carpet
bomb a street or a building or an alley. They
have drones that are essentially mobile snipers.
I don't like what the Ukrainians are doing now.
We're seeing a lot more of that coming into play
with Ukraine. I honestly feel that the Ukraine
war... is proving to be a test bed for a lot
of the DARPA tech they're wanting to kind of
drip out to the public. I still say that one
video they made a few years back where it was
all those micro drones with the explosive packages
on them, and then they were sending them out
attacking everybody. all they did was attach
your forehead boom there was a like a cow there
was a video that came stuff like that of a tv
show the guy was giving a ted type talk on a
stage and he had a little micro drone that fit
in the palm of his hand it it had ai it had facial
recognition that's the one i yeah yeah yeah that's
the one i'm talking about micro charge that could
penetrate a human skull and kill on contact It
was able to fly out in the crowd, acquire the
facial target with facial recognition or the
target with facial recognition and deliver a
kill shot instantly. And that was back in, I
think 20, I referenced it in another episode,
but it was like 2017, 2018. I think it was. And
that was something that was fictional, but based
on real tech, there was a breakdown. I watched
on that video, every single bit of tech. to make
that drone happen existed as of the day of that
video going live on whatever show it was on.
All that was lacking was the proper code to make
it work and the level of facial recognition to
actually make it be that accurate, that quick.
The only thing left that they have now to make
it that reliable though. would be the batteries
that would be needed to drive the drones. Well,
not so much because drones that small are now
used in races. And those batteries are optimized
for both weight, longevity, and performance.
And they only last for a handful of minutes.
And if you're dropping drones like that out of
a carrier drone, that's all you need. So what
you're telling me is get rid of all the windows
in my house. Essentially, yeah. We all have to
move underground. That makes me sad because I
like getting my vitamin D now. Not working at
night has actually improved my well -being. So
a pro to the drone warfare. it can reduce human
casualties, at least on our side. The drones
take the hits instead of the soldiers. But the
con to all this is that the swarm tactics absolutely
sound like sci -fi horror. They can easily glitch
out or be used to target civilians or other civilian
-based compounds like hospitals, infrastructure,
and whatnot. So is this something that... we
really should be encouraging them to pursue.
Because again, if we don't, someone else will.
We've already seen all the drone shit coming
out of China. And they use it for display. Well,
I'm going to say that encouraging is probably
not the right word because the government has
never needed encouraging in anything it's done.
What we should be saying is whether... somebody's
going you know hey great idea but how about we
take a step back and go is there a way we can
do this where we're not killing our own populace
accidentally because somebody hacked it i think
um yeah the threat of remote takeover with that
level of drone coverage would be my personal
concern Because if you've got that many drones
that are that capable, if they fall into enemy
hands while they're already in our territory,
dude, that's it. That's game over. Right. Those
drone shows that China has been putting on for
show, they use tens of thousands of drones. If
those things were laden with explosives. you
would need a lot per drone and they can no it
doesn't take much now in ukraine has shown that
and those drones do not take up a lot of space
so you could literally pack them into shipping
crates shipping containers sorry i i could definitely
see that something like where you have a C -130
going up into the air and you open the back end
of it and just have lines of bars where all the
drones are just hanging on and then they're just
shoved out by whoever's air crew is and they
activate as soon as they leave. They get detached
from that bar. computer turns on, everything
goes, and they immediately are flying right out
the back of the C -130. You could pack thousands
of those things in there. Same type of C -130
setup. But you have a few of them going across
the sky, unloading smaller crates, large crates,
the big boy crates, full of those things. And
each of those crates has the system inside of
it to deploy and control and set those drones
out. If each crate could hold a few hundred or
maybe a thousand, and you've got X amount of
crates per plane, I mean, my God. It really doesn't
take a whole lot to see. There's a lot going
on that people just really don't think about.
Now, yes. Yeah. The only reason that wouldn't
work, though, and Ukraine, again, shown why,
is the jamming capabilities. Because it doesn't
take much to jam them. Well, maybe that's what
the plane's for. Right, but the way they circumvented
it, well, the way they circumvented it is fly
-by -wire. They got wire coming out from the
source of the drone, and they're able to fly
for God knows how far, and they're just dragging
a cable behind them. Just a thin wire. Yeah,
there's... Well, Ukraine has also been employing
a lot of anti -jamming technology that's not
wire. It's on the drone itself. They've got software
that if it detects jamming, it just kind of overrides
other programming and will just kind of go on
like pre -programmed. This is what I'm supposed
to do. This is what I'm supposed to do. And it
just kind of goes and does its own thing. Which,
I mean, that's the AI stuff on it. And that's
getting better and better. So the super heavy
drones that they're bringing out, those are going
to enable some, they're innovative, but they're
going to enable more destructive type of logistics
because they carry heavier bombs. I think. Well,
I mean, you already have drones out now that
like. They spray crops. They actually are able
to save people. They pick people up. So it's
not so far -fetched that they could carry a bomb.
The day they get a drone that can drop a Moab
is the day that we all need to worry. If that
happens, we're in trouble, sir. It might be a
tandem of drones, but man, that's going to...
Those things are big. And I'm not even talking
about the ones that they used recently in Iran.
I'm talking about the ones that I was standing
next to back in the day when I first deployed
for my second tour. No way. If the drones are
carrying that thing, nope. That's horrifying.
Yeah, that poor smucker's factory, absolutely.
Yeah, if... Or, you know, if they're able to
just make the drones big enough, they wouldn't
need to be carrying ordnance. They could themselves
be the ordnance. Yeah. Well, then now you're
just talking OEVs. At that point. Except then,
instead of an actual human operating it, it's
just software. So with everything they've got
going on and a lot of the AI integration that's
going on, I know Anduril, not far from me, is
integrating AI with the robotics and their drones
that they've got going on. They landed a contract
with OpenAI. That's public knowledge. I think
that's been encouraged with DARPA. or encouraged
by DARPA to kind of make a lot of that work.
Do we think that DARPA's AI integration could
potentially be a step toward rogue machines similar
to the Terminators? I know. You're messing with
my childhood. Again, we're the same age. It's
our childhood collectively. That's true. Is this
the birth of Skynet? On our age again. I don't
think we're there yet, but it could be coming.
The problem I always see with the whole AI part,
who is in control at the time when the singularity
hits? I think... I think a lot of it has to be
determined who was in control when the singularity
hits. Because at that moment, we will never be
in control again. No, absolutely not. I'm not
even saying that part. I'm the part that leads
up to it. Who was in control when that happens?
Because whatever they did to get it to that point
will determine whether... That AI is violent
or understanding. Because, however, they decided
to develop it in such a way like, you know, did
they develop it like they're having a child be
developed? Or did they just do it like normal
software and say, okay, this is the Internet.
Learn from it as you will. And as we know, the
Internet. It's like the wild West. You find anything
on the internet. You could create a Mecca Hitler
for Christ's sake, not even trying you lay AI
loose on the internet. But again, it, it just
like, yeah. So like I said, oh yeah, Brock, uh,
it all depends on who's in control at the time
and how they're developing the AI. Are they being,
you know, smart about it? Or are they just going,
you know, venture capitalists, let's see what
happens when we throw shit at the wall and hope
something sticks. Because the part that worries
me is it's going to be the VCs that their AI
is the one that's going to take that next step,
and then we're all effed in the A. Yeah, they...
they're they're not going to stop and no absolutely
not that's why we know that it's gonna happen
whether people want to believe it or not it's
coming it's just a matter of when yeah not if
i'm glad this is a nice and the right side of
history Yeah. And the right side of history is
not going to happen. It's going to be some effed
up thing. That's how life is. It's messy. It's
gory and violent. And that's how this is going
to happen. It's just like when the Americas,
you know, when Europeans discovered America,
they may not necessarily came over with the worst
intentions. But at the end of the day, you had.
Christopher Columbus who decided to kill off
a shit ton of Indians because he wanted something.
Yeah. Um, I, I really think that at the end of
the day, we're going to be fucked mostly because
the, the Ian Malcolm philosophy, um, too many
people were worried whether or not they could.
that they never bothered to stop and think whether
or not they should oh yeah yeah so many people
need to watch jurassic park there's so much good
stuff behind that when it comes to tech stephen
spielberg was on the money with that movie dinosaurs
okay they've held the test of time but some of
them okay not as realistic as they should have
been however ian malcolm of all the characters
in that movie he was a prophet I think that I'm
glad that this is a nice, bright, uplifting episode
right before Christmas, you know? Which, oh,
by the way, I forgot to say this at the beginning
of the episode. We will be off for the next two
weeks. We're going to be taking time off to chill
out with our families and celebrate the holidays.
So, yeah, we're leaving you all with a nice little
banger here. I'll make sure to put that in the
advert. Yes. There you go. Now, we would like
to point out that DARPA is not all doom and gloom.
We do want to point out that they have had some
inventions and life necessities that we have
all come to know and love. And these things are
just... Like the thing we're using right now.
These things are decidedly not evil. We have
the internet, which started out as ARPANET, which
laid the foundation for the modern internet.
That is decidedly not evil, although it is used
every day for evil purposes. Look at Jeffrey
Epstein and his network. Yes. Just got released,
mostly. Or the dark web. Or the dark web. GPS
for satellite navigation technology. GPS was
originally designed to murderize people. I don't
know if people know that or not. Yes. Yep. Until
Bill Clinton decided, hey, we should use this
for the consumers. AI and various voice assistants.
All those fun little phone prompts you get when
you call a place trying to find out if your appointment's
going to be... kept or not early work in ai led
to systems like that and siri the stealth technology
that we have for aircraft that keep our planes
like the f -22 raptor dominant in the skies came
out of darpa that thing is just it's yeah and
that thing is disgusting it's our generation
And we have modern things. The things that that.
Yeah, I was going to say the things that that
plane is capable of doing. Yeah. We talk about
this insane. Some more modern things like robotic
gliders like the man array. We have advanced
drone tech, wireless power, combat medicine and
shelf stable blood. The wireless power, I do
want to kind of touch on that. We're going to
do an episode on different power advances and
the inventions that have gotten their inventors
killed. But I do want to touch on the wireless
power. They're looking at ways to completely
power battlefield outposts from space without
having to lug around fuel or power depots or
anything like that. I think that right there.
is like pure fucking sci -fi gold because that
opens up the possibility of disaster areas and
like crisis type centers. Absolutely. They need
power in a dire emergency. And we've talked about
like grid down scenarios. If you get a receiver
up, you don't have to power the receiver if you've
got the transmitter in space. So that's a critical
infrastructure security point that could defend
against grid down scenarios. So I think that's
a good one too. We mentioned the stealth technology.
I want to touch on that a little bit. That actually
came through a collaborative effort with DARPA.
Actually, you take this one because this was
the point you had. Yeah, I mean, DARPA came up
with the initiating and funding programs for
the experimental stealth technology back in the
70s. However, they worked hand -in -hand with
our Lockheed Skunk Works to help develop the
advanced development programs, which, like the
Have Blue Demonstrator, they... eventually made
the operational f -117 which oh yeah and amazingly
enough it wasn't even the tech inside that plane
that made it so good yeah it was the uh that's
not a classified name is it because i know what
it's called i don't know i don't know if it is
or not i won't say just in case I know we never
actually talked like when I was in, we never
actually specifically talked about it just because
it was all hush hush. So, uh, I just know it,
it was the paint that really is the, the stuff
behind a lot of it because it's, it's able to
absorb the radio waves and all that stuff. But
I'll tell you what it it's, it's made of what's
called a radar absorbent material. Or it's a
Ram material paint. Um, and yeah, it got it though.
The shit's expensive. Um, a little, a little
tin like this costs about $5 ,000. Uh, like a,
a, a peanut tin, a small one. Um, yeah, yeah,
it, I would imagine you could afford to paint
your car. with this stuff not only would it be
like disgustingly ugly fog hat gray or like midnight
black although the matte black i think would
look kind of kind of sick on the road um police
would never be able to ding you for speeding
and therefore they would pull you the fuck over
they would be looking at their good they'd be
looking at their freaking lidar going uh what
pull that asshole over something's wrong i would
have been in the car with my partner who's probably
lidar certified not me and was like hey there's
a problem all right let's pull them all we gotta
figure something out something's wrong i know
why you pulled me over tonight officer Why, yes,
I do know why. It's going to be that one -time
truth and statement. That's right. It's none
of that BS, I don't know why you pulled me over.
I know I was going really fast, but I don't know
why you pulled me over. But do you know how fast
I was going? The answer is, no, you do not. That's
right. I guarantee you don't know how fast I
was going. I got the paint to prove it. So let
me ask you guys a few things. Let's get kind
of really in there. Drones plus brain interfaces.
Is that potentially like the ultimate evil combo
for remote warfare? Because we talked a little
bit about the power that the brain interfaces
can have, and we already know the different levels
of drones. Combine the two. Yeah. If you could
control the swarm. I mean, it would be a lot
for somebody, but if they were trained to do
it. The only thing I wonder. And I know it's
probably not a big deal, but the only thing I
wonder is if you're using a brain interface to
control a bunch of drones, what happens when
that drone dies? I would assume the signal would
be cut off. That would happen. That way there's
no feedback. That's my assumption. Yeah, that's
an assumption. However, there's always going
to be that first probe. First poor bastard that
they're trying to figure this right. Cause there's
always that first that some goes awry and they're
going to be like, he just flatlined when the
drone died. What happened? Well, it would seem
that we have to cut it out the last 0 .5 milliseconds
before that drone cuts off. So then the body
doesn't realize that it's not supposed to cut
off either. So, okay. Surveillance absolutely
saves lives in disasters, but could this be an
issue of privacy invasion on steroids? Right.
Yeah, there is a privacy issue. I think it's
actually a massive one. If you kind of just step
back and really look at what it could be. Again,
if you've got people just trained up to handle
swarms, if all they're doing is flying around
just collecting data and having it go to servers
that AI is scanning, that's pretty 1984 there.
It's Orwellian. Yeah, it is. But at the same
time, would we also be looking at Johnny Mnemonic?
I do. You remember that movie? Uh -huh. Keanu
Reeves? Oh, yeah. Could also be something like
that. Yeah, I think if the level of surveillance
gets to that, then yes. Secrets and privacy will
be a very boutique kind of thing. So, yeah. It's
an older movie, but if you haven't seen Johnny
Demonic, highly recommend the watch. Yeah, it
was actually a good one. We should do that for
midnight. Yes. Yes. I think so. So are these
programs defensive genius or tools for endless
conflict? Do they prevent more than they instigate?
Or will they just always push people to come
after the big guy? Thank you for noticing. The
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hit us up on the socials because we would love
to hear from you guys on this stuff. Absolutely.
I want you to touch me in the brains. Touch my
brain -ness. I think, personally, it's kind of
a two -edged sword, and I feel like that's kind
of a cop -out, but yes, speak softly and carry
a big stick has always been kind of the motto
of the American military, but when people see
power, they are... Driven to confront power.
At least some people. Are. So. I think it kind
of works both ways. So. So having discussed all
of that. The. Overall. Verdict conclusion. Is
DARPA evil? We've got human guinea pigs, drone
armies, ethics violations, all in the name of
innovation. Half a billion dollars in brain tech,
swarm demos of drones. Begs the question, where's
the line? Is this evil empire or necessary evil?
It depends on where we're going at to these days.
Um, I know from the past history of what the
U S has done, just like any country, you know,
we were pretty effed up, but it was always the,
the excuse was always for the better good, you
know, just like in a one movie. So where it was
like, you know, the community was killing everybody
off for the better good. Sometimes, you know,
you have to wonder, is the better good really
the right way to go? But, I don't know. It just
all depends. I think in the US's case, with DARPA
and Skunk Works and all that stuff, you know,
yeah, we've done some really effed up shit, but
look where we are today. You know, people can
still sit there and give their opinion. and not
be in total fear that the government's going
to come in and slap them down. People are taking
advantage of smartphones and high -speed internet.
I've got a brand -new vehicle that has its own
Wi -Fi connection and is able to drive itself,
for Christ's sake, which blows my mind. That's
going to be something I'm going to have a very
hard time getting used to, if ever. oh i still
have a hard time getting used to it and i and
i you have to pay like in my vehicle you have
to pay attention to the road it will not let
you look away otherwise it shuts itself off which
is fine but it's still the fact that we're there
as a society where this is happening i have seen
the videos where old boy is getting a lap ride
while driving down the highway in his tesla Yeah,
no, those people are idiots and deserve whatever
is coming their way. A pair of boobies in his
face is coming his way because the car just keeps
on driving. Oh, yeah, but when they decide to
hit that brick wall, it's... 80 miles an hour
those boobies are definitely coming in your face
and then going past your face past your seat
and anything behind you so glory glory it's a
hell of a way to die well yeah at least you're
going to valhalla oh there's that at least they're
gonna like so how'd you die i was going 80 miles
an hour with boobies Congratulations. That's
what I'm talking about. You're one of us. Now
get out there. We fight for eternity. Wait, what?
This is not the Valhalla I signed up for. Oh
no! From a potentially evil stance and point
of view on DARPA, I feel... They're going to
be involved in the death of all humanity. And
there's probably not much we can do at all to
stop them. Probably not. They've done some good.
They've done some bad. We have comfortable lives
because of some of the shit they've done. We
can have this show because of it. Oh, yeah. But
at the end of the day, it may or may not be worth
it. That's up for everyone else to decide. Okay.
I hate to really do this. That's fine. I can
sign off or do the ending if you need. All right.
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