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your host, Pip. Here as always with my co -hosts,
who by now should be questioning ever hanging
out with me in public again, Gibbs and Gibbles.
Ew. The amount of ER departments you are getting
them to be clearly underfunded with your bullshit
that you say. Because there's going to be someone,
someone that's like, you know what, I'll give
it a try. Why not? You know? No. Have you not
ever seen the cactuses out there though? Do you
know what's stopping most people? It's not them.
I believe it's the cactus with the spikes. I
believe that's what's doing it. What? I'm sorry.
I beg your pardon, but could you repeat that
sentence, please? I want to make sure I didn't
hear that. The cactuses? Okay, so I did hear
that. I was trying to ignore it. I was really
trying to ignore it. I'm out. Thanks for listening,
everyone. We'll catch you next week. Cue the
outro music. Wow. Yeesh. Good lord. How aggressively
single do you have to be to be thinking about
that? Right. Forget the robots. Just go straight
to the pain. Anything is a glory hole. Anything
is a glory hole if you're brave enough. If you've
seen the pipe full of hornets, that is a glory
hole, if you're brave enough. There is no glory
in that hole, I will tell you. No Klingon will
take you up on that one. That day is not a good
day to die. Let me tell you, that is not the
way to do it. Orph is looking at that going,
I don't think so, Bobby. So, tonight's show,
we are going to take a nosedive straight in.
To the anus of reality. And try to figure out.
Is this real life? Which by now you should be
asking. What the hell are you doing listening
to this show? Just take a moment and look around
you. Feel the chair you're sitting on. The shirt
you're wearing. The balls hanging between your
legs. Even the sound of my voice. Everything
seems perfectly undeniably real. But what if
I told you that there's a serious respected philosophical
and scientific idea. Suggesting that this entire
reality, every moment, every experience, every
law of physics, is nothing more than an incredibly
sophisticated computer program. A digital construct
running on hardware we can't even imagine. So
tonight, we're going to figure out, if we can,
if this is a mind -bending concept that is real,
known as simulation theory. And you're already
giving me some faces. Wouldn't that mean the
whole concept of Buddhism means nothing more
than a respawn? Essentially, yes. The long and
short of this episode is that Buddhism is right
and we just respawn when we die. So you can stop
listening. I am in version, I don't know, probably
230 because I don't seem to make it very far
each time. Right, yeah. You're that one -handed
kid that can't figure out how to hold the controller
right and you just keep falling off the first
jump. Give me Super Nintendo controls for The
Lion King? Oh man, I got that like tism. Dude,
The Lion King was no fucking joke. You know,
they made that game purposefully hard so that
people would have to keep renting it back in
the days of rental. That's right. Because it
was designed to not be beaten in a single rental
period. That is peak American capitalism right
there. That was the peak of our civilization.
Oh, which Ninja Turtle game they set up where
you couldn't even beat it? That was the first
one. It literally had no ending because you couldn't
get past one part of the game. Yeah, the damn
part. I fucking hated that one. No, no, no, not
that part. There was another one where it was
literally the jump. was just too far no matter
how you jumped i got you and it was to get to
a platform to get to a door but you could never
get to the door because of the fact the platform
was just a bit too far because anything past
that there was nothing gotcha yeah i don't remember
why they did that but they did yeah so what is
simulation theory At its core, simulation theory
suggests that our current existence is nothing
more than a vast simulated reality likely created
by a highly advanced post -human civilization.
If you've ever played that game, The Sims, that's
basically what we are, possibly. The most famous
and compelling framework for this idea comes
from Oxford philosopher Nick Bostrom and his
2003 paper, Are You Living in a Computer Simulation?
We'll go further in depth in his paper here in
a little bit, but in his paper he argues that
one of three propositions must be true. Either
civilizations almost always go extinct before
they reach a post -human stage capable of running
simulations, or any post -human civilization
that does reach that stage is, for some reason,
not interested in running a large number of detailed
historical simulations. We call these ancestry
simulations. Or finally, we are almost certainly
living in a computer simulation. I don't know
about you, but one out of those three, that's
not a very comforting position to be in. He also
suggests that since a post -human civilization
would have access to nearly infinite computing
power, they could run billions of these ancestry
simulations. meaning the number of simulated
inhabitants would vastly outweigh the number
of real or base reality inhabitants. And if that's
the case, statistically speaking, the odds are
overwhelmingly in favor of us being in one of
the simulated ones. All I can say is I feel ripped
off. Right? This is not the simulation. However,
if you go back to our time travel episode, this
kind of jives with the whole multiverse theory.
Yeah. It's not multiverse. It's multi simulation.
So the watcher is just sitting outside all the
VM. Yes. Well, okay. I guess, I guess, you know,
sure. Technic technically you can. Right. I just,
I don't know. Maybe call me crazy, but. You would
then have to disprove the idea of free will and
free thought to be able to prove that exists.
Correct. Because I would very much doubt that
even with technically infinite resources, I don't
really know if it would be possible to be able
to create something that's complex enough to
be able to look at every piece of matter, every
molecule, every atom. and mathematically be able
to combine, figure out, calculate, and then plus
the quintillions of biological organisms and
everything else that are not biological technically
in that, but they all interact. We'll touch on
that. That would be... Okay. Yeah. Okay. So,
Gibbles, did you have a point? You could do that
the same way they do that in video games if you're
not looking at it. It doesn't exist. It's not
simulated. There's nothing there until you turn
around and then all of a sudden, hey, look, that's
going on. You can do the same thing. You don't
have to worry about atoms if you're not specifically
looking at the atoms. You know they're there.
The data knows it's there. But you don't have
to computate for it if you're not specifically
looking at it. I mean, honestly. You do have
to computate for gravity, which unfortunately
affects basically everything in the universe.
So that is the problem of, like, the mass of
those objects therefore dictates that gravitational
force is revealed there. Well, that's only if
gravity is real. Otherwise, it just is. Well,
I mean, it's observable, so it would have to
be real. Again, we'll touch on a lot of this.
Now, here's kind of an overarching concept for
simulation theory, okay? video game logic and
movie logic things just are the way they are
because that's the way they have to be ah the
old it is what it is mantra yes yeah okay fair
so we'll we'll we'll circle back to that here
in a little while so the biggest points oh go
ahead go ahead oh no i was gonna ask something
stupid but it can wait go ahead shoot oh i was
gonna say what's red herring for life oh Save
that one. Exactly. Yeah, save that one. And if
I haven't answered that one by the end of the
episode, then ask it again. Okay. So the biggest
points for the theory, how can people actually
take this seriously? So the arguments for the
simulation hypothesis are often kind of pointing
to specific features of the universe. The universe
is quantitized. Everything in our universe seems
to break down into discrete fundamental units.
The Planck length and Planck time, it's exactly
how a digital program works. It's built on individual
distinct pixels or bits, not continuous smooth
analog waves. And it looks a lot like a low -level
resolution boundary, which is kind of like what
you were talking about. Not everything is rendered
as it needs to be. Physics is governed by code.
Like I was saying, everything is the way it is.
Our universe is described by elegant mathematical
laws and constants like E equals MC squared,
the speed of light, the gravitational constant.
These constants act like the source code or the
fixed rules of the program and can never be broken.
The Fermi paradox and a little bit of fine tuning
here and there. So the apparent... absence of
observable alien life via the Fermi paradox could
be explained if the simulation is only focused
on a specific area, such as our solar system,
to save computational power. So, if you fine
-tune the universal constants, where if they
were slightly different, life wouldn't exist,
looks suspiciously like an initialization parameter
set up before the simulation started. So that's
what you were asking about with life, I think.
Yes? No? I don't like where you're going with
that. I don't like that it makes sense. That's
why I don't like this. I know. Now, I can maybe...
Would that be why when they look out with the
James Webb telescope that they're starting to
find some weird shit because they didn't compute?
computationally put that into into account right
so we're also looking back in time too well theoretically
if the simulation is real then no we're not time
doesn't exist beyond the heliopause which is
the outermost point of our solar system in the
simulation beyond that it's just generated light
Like a light curtain around everything. But don't
we already have an object that's about to cross
out of our solar system? It's already crossed.
Do we? Did it yet? Well, we did launch the Voyager
probes. Those were real. They did go into space.
Yeah, they said the one crossed the heliopause
already. Yeah. Or not already, but it has. It
was a couple years ago. Yeah, and yes. It is
an interstellar space now. However, we have no
way beyond the radio signals that we receive
of knowing anything about it. So who's to say
that that thing's not just out of existence and
the data is now being simulated? I don't like
where this is going. A little bit of data like
that would not be difficult to simulate. I've
made my brain melt. You're welcome. Now, let's
massage the sausage a little bit. The biggest
points against the theory. Computational limits.
The amount of computing power required to simulate
every particle, all the quantum entanglement,
and every conscious mind in a universe the size
of ours is so immense. that it may be fundamentally
impossible even for a post human civilization.
So like you were saying, there's no way to process
that amount of thought essentially. Now the counter
to that is, yeah. What if we're only processing
a little bit, a quick segue sleep. You ever have
those nights where you just can't sleep. Like
you're dead tired, you're tossing and turning.
What if it's because the sleep servers are full?
And you're not allowed to log into the sleep
server and out of the simulation until other
people log out of the sleep server. Oh my God.
There's one for you. That's horrifying. Well,
to the people that keep hogging it, get the fuck
out. Right? I'm sick of it. I need my beauty
sleep. Move on. Get your red pill going. Let's
go. Get back in there. Oh, my God. Yeah. I thought
that would cook you a little bit. The simpler
explanation. You know how pissed people would
be? Go to sleep, and there's a freaking queue.
Just like World of Warcraft back in the day.
Oh, God. Or Battlefield. You're 5 ,000 in line.
Right. Oh, my God. Wait until Neuralink where
there's going to be a queue for your dreams.
You fucking wait. So. Since you brought up dream
stuff, I do want to mention we have an episode
that we're cooking up talking about dream. We
have two episodes actually about dream stuff.
One is parallel universe dream theory and the
other is sleep rehab. So I just want to kind
of put those two little nuggets out there. They're
going to be pretty awesome, I think. especially
the sleep rehab but that one's terrifying to
be honest like it's it's up there with like ai
so some of the ai stuff we've talked about it's
yeah it's scary as shit dude well you know they're
getting to where the ai is able to uh interpret
brainwave you know during sleep To figure out
what it is that people are dreaming about. Uh
-huh. Just like they're able to show that two
people can communicate or send messages back
and forth while they're dreaming. In the dreams,
yes. They have successfully transmitted data
via dreams to two people in different rooms.
Yes. So what I'm hearing is Bluetooth and or
Wi -Fi is actually biological in nature. Basically,
that's what they're doing. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
It's pretty close. Analogy. Well, then, whoever's
the person in the dreams that keeps making it
so I can only run at the pace of a goddamn snail,
could they stop, please? Or whoever keeps making
my guns jam, yeah, stop that shit. I hate that.
Yeah. The worst one I had is I forgot how to
use it. Oh, God. That really frustrated me. Yeah.
I was like, what the fuck is this? And I'm dead.
Great. That's awesome. Great dream. All right.
So we'll get into those episodes and they're
going to be hopefully pretty good. So back on
this. Simpler explanation for everything is that
critics argue this is a classic case of an unprovable
complex explanation. The most likely reason our
universe has mathematical laws is because that's
simply the nature of reality. Why invent a simulator
outside of our reality when the observed reality
itself is the simplest explanation? It's more
of a philosophical thought experiment than a
testable scientific hypothesis. Which, yeah,
there's really no way to test if this is a simulation.
Or is there? Well, there's some bullshit happening.
And we'll talk about that here in a minute. The
recursive problem. is the Simception issue. So
if we are in a simulation, what about the people
who created our simulation? Are they also in
a simulation? And this leads to the infinite
regress, which makes the whole idea unsatisfyingly
complex. If you ever saw that episode of Rick
and Morty where they went into the battery world.
Or the mini -verse. That was a good one. Then
the teeny verse and then the microverse or whatever.
Yes. Yeah. So are we just inside some dude's
battery? No, because we don't have any flugel
pops or whatever they were called. Right. That's
true. What was it called? Whoa. Whoa. How was
that happening? Yeah. I don't know. Don't know
where that came from. That was weird. Anyways.
That startled me. I just had that thought. Where
else is it coming from? Thanks, Twitch. I made
a note of that to edit if you want to edit that
out. The simulation theory forces everybody to
confront the very nature of existence. If you
take the time to really go down that rabbit hole,
it can be a profound truth or just an engaging
thought experiment. Its implications are massive.
And as we go further into the episode tonight,
we're going to break down some of the notes and
evidence that have been used by some of the more
prominent people that have talked about this
and researched it and kind of explore what it
might mean to be a living, breathing line of
code. That's kind of a weird thought, you know?
Like, I've come to terms that we're just biological
blobs, but being a line of code is a whole different
thing. You're more than a line of code. You're
many lines of code. Yeah, but the Matrix, when
it came out, was pretty revolutionary. Oh, yeah.
You know, are we just batteries? But then it
goes a step further. Are we just code? Now, I
pulled up a reference on that simulation theory
paper. I'll be honest. I'm a pretty smart guy
most days. Some of this shit's way over my head.
You didn't lick it in the dock. I didn't. I didn't
let it dock with me. Yeah, I didn't let it dock
on me. I'll go over one of the AI breakdowns
of it. Mr. Bostrom does not claim to know which
proposition is true. He suggests apportioning
belief roughly evenly among the three. I guess
that's the safe way out. He also notes that if
we are not currently living in a simulation,
it is highly likely that our descendants will
never run one because one of the first two scenarios
would have prevented it. The first, the first
or the scenarios were again, post human stage
ancestor simulations or statistical probability.
So that's, uh, I, if you're interested, you can
just look, look up Nick Bose from 2003 simulation
theory. I don't know. That sounds like a challenge.
And usually people, they hear a challenge. especially
americans yeah we got it look at the robots they're
bringing out i know some of its ai slot but some
of it oh yeah a lot of it is very looking some
of the the one the guy was fighting with just
to prove that it was a real a real robot man
yeah them things are gonna fuck our world up
yeah unless you have a shotgun yeah well Yeah.
Couldn't eat slugs, buddy. Hell yeah. Would you
need anything less? Right. So there are some
things we can look at to kind of discuss why
scientists take this seriously. We mentioned
in the intro quantum mechanics. So you've got
the observer effect when wave functions start
to collapse. That's a really weird one, and there
have been some very weird experiments that show
the observer effect actually travels through
time. Because if you perform the observer effect
experiment on light from a distant galaxy, you
get the same kind of outcome as you get from
light here on Earth. So I think you should probably
explain to the audience what the observer effect
is. So the observer effect is when you have particles
of light going through a double slit. And when
it's not being watched, it acts like a wave.
When it is being watched, it acts like particles.
And there are videos that you can go and look
at to kind of get a better breakdown than this.
This is like quantum reality kind of shit where
if you move the camera past the slit where the
change would have already occurred, the observation
will still change what happened before the slit.
So it's literal like changing time on the particle
or the light at that moment. that's proving like
a quantum entangled change so they started doing
this experiment with light from distant galaxies
and other stars and they're getting the same
result which means that after that light passes
through the slit and then it's observed it's
changed on a quantum wavelength from before it
was emitted so that's something that really kind
of fucks with the fundamental laws of physics
that that i've always thought is probably one
of the most convincing points uh -huh for simulation
theory because it doesn't make any goddamn sense
no the fact that you just look at something and
observe it can change the outcome yep that that
like i said mind blown yeah um the fine tuning
of constants did you guys know that if gravity
We're only 1 % stronger or 1 % weaker. We would
have no stars. That's correct. In the universe.
So it's at a very oddly specific number for all
this to be able to happen. Yes. So on odd numbers,
one of those coincidence kind of things. Yeah.
On odd numbers, the earth and the sun and the
moon. That is a trio. That is very weird. The
moon is exactly 400 times smaller than the sun.
And it's exactly 400 times as far away from...
I don't know. The number 400, I'm getting all
fucked up. So basically the universe is like
me where I like even numbers and I hate odd numbers.
Yeah, it is entirely too perfect. So the universe
is autistic? Basically, yes. Yeah. But the size
and the position of the sun, the moon, and the
earth are too perfect and are the only reason
that life can flourish on earth the way that
it does. But also, to be fair, when you have
literal trillions... There are planets to choose
from. There's going to be something for it to
work, you know? Right. But that also brings up
Fermi's paradox of where the hell is everybody
else because there's a lot of fucking planets
out there that we've seen just in our little
sphere of influence. That is true. The Planck
length and the pixelation of space -time, the
farther back in time you go when you're looking
at... objects in the universe the more distorted
they seem to be so do light waves degrade not
that we've been able to prove light is light
is light no matter what but because the photon
is has no mass correct so i mean technically
unless it's affected by gravity in some way i
can't imagine that it's gonna degrade in any
way well does it unless Does it still have to
pass through a medium, though? The vacuum of
space really is no medium. But if those dark
matter theories hold true on something like that,
you know what I mean? Because it has to travel
long distances. The vacuum of space being empty
is technically incorrect if you look at the theory
of the ether from back at the turn of the...
20th century because they were looking at or
they actually considered the ether to be another
element or a state of matter because Nikola Tesla
was using his inventions to tie into the zero
point field to generate power and pull power
out of literal nothing and that's how we'll discuss
this in another episode when we talk about the
power inventions that got their creators killed
yeah hey You want to hear something funny, though?
Always. We're talking about dark matter. Japanese
astrophysicist Tomonori Otani, excuse my pronunciation
of that. Butchered. I probably butchered it.
From the University of Tokyo, recently announced
a potential breakthrough in dark matter research,
claiming to find the first direct evidence of
dark matter annihilation via a distinct gamma
ray glow near the Milky Way Center using NASA's
Fermi telescope data. This is recent. I think
this came out about a month ago, maybe two. Because
I remember hearing about this, and then you talking
about dark matter made me go, oh, yeah. Light
bulb. Well, that's kind of cool. That's something
that I had. Somebody on some sort of podcast
I was watching explained a while ago was, at
least for the light thing, there is the possibility
that whatever medium it's passing through, which
in that case would be dark matter or could be
dark matter or something else, that that could
distort it. But the question to you is, is the
distortion... Does it follow a pattern or is
it randomized? I don't have the answer to that.
Okay. Well, yeah. So you know who does have the
answer? The person running the simulation. That's
true. Thank you. If we all just yell out tech
support real loud, maybe we'll get their attention.
So computational limits of the universe. This
is called the Birkenstein bound holographic principle.
The rest of the universe beyond a certain point
is just a holographic projection. Theoretically.
So that's also why things look distorted past
a certain point. I mean, if you look at pictures...
That's going to hurt for the people on board
when they crash into the boundary when they hit
warp speed. Will it bounce? Or will it be...
I don't know. I almost look at it as wouldn't
it just be more like what Elite Dangerous does
where eventually you leave the galaxy and there's
just nothing. Maybe. Something else I heard someone
say was that technically it might be the case
of maybe our laws of physics are only bound by...
the creation of this universe. And it's in that
bubble or sphere where that works. And the minute
you step out of it, your existence and your set
of physics that you're used to being in no longer
exists. And so we'll never know what happens,
but you might just pop out of existence or might
be brought back down to molecules. Who knows?
There's also the suggestion that our entire reality
exists inside of a black hole. oh yeah there's
that too and every black hole is like the start
of a new universe so there's a lot of fuckery
going on it's a lot of fuck around and find out
yeah so and then the last one that i wanted to
bring up was there's there's been a lot of recent
papers um like 2024 had one called the constraints
on is the universe simulatable uh and that just
talks about a lot of different things because
and they bring up a lot of uh even games that
you were talking about like elite dangerous no
man's sky eve online they have brought up the
amount of games that we have used to simulate
entire universes with just the computational
power we have today right and it's really not
that big of a stretch to say hey is there sentient
life somewhere within these worlds that we just
can't detect I mean, again, it wouldn't be that
difficult when a lot of it's set up to where
if the player isn't looking at it, it's in the
database. But yet at the same time, the computational
power of that is reduced because you're not looking
at it. So you don't need the graphics. You don't
need audio, really. You don't need a lot of that
stuff. So it's known it's there, but yet it's
not there because from a computer standpoint.
that would be absolutely insane. Yeah. But then
the problem is having every object pop in and
out of existence for, at the minimum, the billions
of humans, if not quintillions of animals and
other biological organisms. Holy hell. Especially
being able to do that with a latency of 0 .0000000000000000001
milliseconds to be able to make that happen without
any sort of noticeable lag. yeah but that that
goes into the whole you know how many of us are
not npcs and how many of us are yeah and you
brought up npcs there's a there's a note on that
so let's let's kind of get into some of this
uh the pop culture and fun arguments uh yeah
so every major movie and tv show that has talked
about Well, not every, but some of the bigger
ones. You've got The Matrix, Rick and Morty,
the battery episode like we talked about. Westworld
has even gone down that hole. The video game
analogies, like everything from GTA 5, No Man's
Sky. They're doing procedurally generated universes.
So you don't have to render everything, just
whatever is around other people. And then it's
just background noise. Why did you write Pong?
That was what it had copied down. I don't know
why they had pong, but the transition from pong
to GTA five, I think is maybe what they talked
about. Okay. We started off in just the leap.
Yeah. Pong world. I don't know. Pong world. Now
the DMT glitch. This is one that I wanted to
bring up because it kind of threw me for a loop
when I read about it. And I've, I've seen videos
on this shit too. Many people report being able
to take DMT or other psychedelic drugs, setting
up a broad beam laser that's projected onto a
wall, getting up close to the beam. What? Real
quick. For a broad beam laser, what are we talking
about there real fast? A laser that has been
diffused to act more like a flashlight than a
beam. Okay. Okay. So the beam that's been projecting
on a wall. getting up close to the beam and being
able to see code. It's often described as similar
to the matrix code glyphs, but it varies from
person to person, but they always report seeing
code. And this happens to people with no prior
knowledge of the code or the experience. They're
given the drugs and the setup and asked what
they see when they get close. They, Almost all
report the same thing. Gibbs? I hope we never
get a blue screen. Right. Is this something we
can test? If you know how to get a hold of some
DMT, sure. No fucking idea. I will definitely
be volunteer for the experiment. Yeah. So. I
don't know. I mean, if we can get a hold of some
psychedelics, maybe we give that one a shot because
that would be kind of weird. People have actually...
Oh, yeah. Oh, God. A live show. There's Squiggle
Mart. There's Squiggle Mart. So aside from seeing
code in physical structures, scientists have
found what appears to be... Code in the stars.
Astronomers are seeing what appears to be binary
code that resembles error correction code that's
used in computer systems to detect and fix errors
in superstructures in space, such as galaxies
and nebulas and the likes. This was discovered
and reported by theoretical physicist James Gates,
and he has been interviewed by Neil deGrasse
Tyson. And has gone in depth to describe what
he sees as resembling, not actually being, but
resembling binary code that when processed in
our computer systems acts like error correcting
code in our systems. Now, how fucked up is that?
I have no words for it. Like there's no. That
just takes me back to the episode of Futurama
where Bender was floating out in space and met
Galaxy God. That would be kind of funny. A planet
or stars colliding is not supposed to happen.
So the local server RAM does an error correction.
It's like, wait a minute. Those two objects are
not supposed to collide. They're supposed to
be permanent. What the hell? Oh, my God. I don't
have enough alcohol for this. Yeah. You've got
people who are looking for glitches actively,
and they quote the Mandela effect as being one
of the biggest and best references to being glitches
in the code. The Monopoly guy monocle, the Berenstain
Bears versus Berenstain Bears, all the different
shit is Mandela. The cornucopia. The cornucopia.
Yeah, fucking had it. That is the fucking thing
that radicalized me on this shit. I hate to say
it. The goddamn cornucopia drove me nuts for
like a week. Yep. But it really did. Yeah. I
do remember when I was little, I saw the cornucopia.
I really do remember that. Oh, so I, and then
when they showed that it wasn't there, I'm like,
wait, it was there. No, it was there. New timeline
issue update. There is no cow tipping in this
timeline. The fuck? There's no cow tipping. Yeah.
Apparently cow tipping was never a thing in this
timeline. It was. Since when? Since recently.
Yes, it has. We all remember. Go fucking look
it up. What? Yeah. Oh, no. No, this is another
psyop from the CIA. Possibly. No way. I think
a lot of that's fucking just trying to mess with
people with social engineering. Maybe, but I
just saw a thing the other day. It's an urban
legend and a myth now? Since when? Exactly. Welcome
to the new timeline, guys. We shifted again.
I don't like that I don't get patch notes. I
know. I think they come in our dreams and we
just see the weirdness and brush it off. If they're
coming in my dreams, can they at least clean
up after? Right. Sorry. Another glitch that they
report, deja vu and lag spawn delay. That's...
yeah deja vu is the lag spawn if you've ever
had deja vu that's hit so hard that you could
predict what was going to happen like that's
like real bad lag or even a reload that's that's
a possibility although to be fair though i i
do feel like deja vu is almost more akin to you
know how like when some animals are born and
they will learn from their previous generation
like on how to do things i feel like humans while
we're not good at that there are some inherent
things that are sometimes passed down yeah there
are some behavior traits but we as humans are
definitely helpless as babies oh god yeah yeah
yeah we're the only mammal on earth that helpless
Yet we can learn a language like it's nothing
at that age. So can certain apes, though. Certain
apes are getting there. I've seen someone teach
their dog how to talk and had a fucking existential
crisis. My sister has done that with her dog.
It was pity. And he will press the buttons and
knows which one does what. while we're all visiting
all of a sudden he starts hitting the i want
to play button nice i think it's all excited
like somebody gonna play with me now i should
get carly those buttons and set them up gibbs
ear gibbs ear no no no no that's amazing oh i'm
good now uh yeah now things like uh phantom phone
vibrations in your leg like when your phone is
sitting on your desk and you feel it vibrating
your leg they could they consider that to be
possible packet loss so am i the only person
that i will know before i'm getting a phone call
or a text and i'll go oh and i'll pick up my
phone and then i receive the fucking call text
that fucking weirds me now what about this i
do that with work yeah what about this when you're
when you have a random idea for something you
have never ever searched before and you pick
up your phone and type in the first letter and
there's the result there is no way your phone
could have known that you had that random zoidberg
thought and yet there was the search result yeah
it's in your brain while you're singing while
you're sleeping yeah i know i know it's like
a siren that's like the old I've literally had
instances where I'm sitting at work, got nothing
to do, and all of a sudden I'm just like, huh,
this particular customer out in Ohio, I haven't
heard from them in a while, and I think something's
broke. And not even 10 minutes later, I'm getting
an email saying, hey, this customer's called
in. You need to respond to Ohio. Yeah. NPC behavior
in crowds. Yes. We have all seen those people.
I encounter them daily. It never fails that you
drive out in town, the town looks dead, and then
all of a sudden, out of nowhere, they just spawn
in. It's like, what the fuck? Where'd everybody
come from? And nothing explains it. It's just,
they're there. Back in 2012, there was a Facebook
story called Dead People Posting Bug. People's
accounts were posting long after they had died.
It was a real thing. It was a bug from Facebook.
I don't remember what happened, but you guys
can look it up. It's a real story. Yeah. I've
heard about that, but I've never actually seen
it. They were confirmed to be not automated posts
that were set to go out. Because you can set
posts to go out at certain dates. This was before
that was a thing. Yeah. So. Some counter arguments
that you can use. Occam's razor. The simplest
explanation is that we are in fact in base reality.
You could ask. If we're simulated, why is there
so much suffering? It could just be lazy programming,
sadistic programming, or this is multiplayer.
And then you have the self -shutdown problem.
If advanced civilizations would notice that this
is a simulation, would we be shut down? If we
discovered that we are, in fact, in a simulation,
would we be shut down? No. I don't think so.
I don't think it changes anything because people
will still keep living. Would they? Yeah. Because
right here, this segues right into this, the
practical implications. What you run into the
issue of, you know, you have a lot of religious
people that they would look at this and be like,
oh, it flies in the face of our religion and
we believe in God. But then wouldn't God just
be the programmer? Kind of? Yeah. I mean, kind
of, yeah, but at the same time, it doesn't fit
the... It wouldn't matter, because if this is
a simulation, there would in fact be no god beyond
the programmer. The god of the belief system
prior to finding out that this is a simulation
would have just been programmed in. You're assuming
that AI is in control in this simulation. You
are making the bold assumption that there's another
biological organism controlling it. Yes. Right.
Number one. Number two, there could possibly
be a non, like even let's just say it was a simulation.
It doesn't mean that only things in binary can
interface with it. So there's still the possibility
you could make your own quote unquote God within
the simulation that really could just be other
rogue agents, rogue AI, something to that effect.
You know, even just a simple testing algorithm
or testing, you know, division. In order to test
certain responses, behavioral adaptation, things
like that. It could be anything. It could be
the case, if I hate to say it, most religions
could just be like, hey, let's test what happens
when people do this. Who knows? Wouldn't that
be a sick joke? Yeah, that'd be fucked up. Or
simulated for some hot dog commercial. and the
ai said let's resurrect this bitch after three
days locked in a cave let's see what they do
and on the alien commercial it's something about
oh he came back in three days You too can buy
yeast. I'll bring your bread back in three days.
Who is the asshole AI that is abducting people
to Italy probe them? That's the problem. That
is an AI that had to be human coded at some point.
Because if we are in a simulation and they have
all these guys complaining about that, either
one, there's a lot of secretly gay people out
in the Midwest that are farmers out in the middle
of nowhere, or option two, there's an AI that
has a butt fetish. I don't know. Or it's multiplayer
and you've got someone that's just, out fucking
around. Trying to see what kind of fucked up
shit they can get away with. Somebody said, PVP's
enabled? I'm going to test the limits. That's
the problem. Oh, man. So, that kind of brings
us into ethics. If NPCs have feelings, is anything
impermissible? If they're just NPCs, They're
not real, so... But real is subjective. Maybe,
and hear me out on this one, maybe the NPCs are
the only ones being targeted and killed by the
murderers. All right, now you lost me. Why? Because
you've not known anybody that's died? No, we're
starting to go down that. I have. Oh, we're starting
to go down that lane of... Or, let's flip that
one. Maybe only the NPCs are murderers. Again,
it depends. Because, like, to murder doesn't
mean you have to be a person or not a person
to murder. It doesn't take... any sort of justification
necessarily. So it could be a machine, it could
not be a machine. Would that be for any crime
taking place? Maybe. I'm just saying, like some
of the big ones. Like the big famous ones. Gain,
Bundy, Dahmer, you know, those guys. I was going
to say, if World War II was caused by an AI,
he's a dick. Jesus Christ. I mean, if AI is the
one controlling all the pedos, man, I really
ain't going to feel bad in a little bit. Yeah.
Hunting season's on. Right. Get the squid bots
out. Oh, Jesus. So. So I guess I guess your topic
of NPCs have feelings, anything impermissible.
We're going to find out what the robots soon.
yes very and i'm glad you brought that up because
with all the robot stuff coming out especially
i know i've brought it up mostly in joking but
the sex bots those are going to be the ones that
are going to test the limits of boundaries with
robots and ai personalities well they've already
passed some laws in certain countries where If
they're doing the adult toys like that, you are
not permitted to get them in where they're considered
they look like they're underage. Right. They've
already had that incident take place where somebody,
I guess, ordered a child doll. I can 100 % see
a black market popping up with modifications
for that bullshit. Unfortunately, yeah. Unfortunately.
I mean, to be fair, if they're doing that versus
actual people, I guess let them let them go at
it. I guess the problem is it opens the gateway
to get to that point. So it's kind of a weird
catch. You know, are you preventing it or are
you enabling it? That's, you know, then the problem
is that we're back to the 1970s and 80s, you
know, drug debate. Same thing will just be that
with sex bots. It's going to be the problem.
Yeah. Yeah. Well, then you're going to have the
whole like in the game Detroit become human.
You know. spoilers for anybody who hasn't played
this game, but you know, I played the snot out
of it. Uh, you find out later in the game that
the little girl that's in this abusive father's
house actually isn't human. She's a robot or
Android. And you don't find out until a little
bit later in the game when you, you know, the
Android you're controlling who gets brought into
the home as like, you know, a maid slash nanny
kind of thing. You escape, and then it comes
out later that she's actually a robot as well.
Oh, wow. And it's like, okay, so why did this
abusive guy have the little girl then? It's like,
what kind of situation did he put himself in
where he needed to have the little girl? Yeah,
that's a thing. Wow. and the crazy part is the
way that house was set up in the game i'm not
sure what the devs were thinking but i mean it
looked to look to me like when i first started
playing like it was just a normal little girl's
bedroom and her father was a dick and it wasn't
until you leave the house and you find out later
oh she's a robot to make me go back and go what
the frickin hell why was it set up that way then
yeah why where in life do you get where you're
not after sexual gratification instead you're
looking as control and emotional gratification
trauma yeah yeah i think there's going to be
a lot of that going on with the different types
of robots coming out too there's there's going
to be a lot of like subservient type hitting
the markets and people will get them just to
control a person, you know, air quotes. Yeah.
So it's just, like I said, from that game's perspective
with the way it played everything, it was interesting.
And just that, that particular point just made
me go, huh? Yeah. Wow. A lot of weird shit's
going to happen when, when that stuff gets more
prevalent. That's for sure. Yes. A lot of people
are going to be on watch lists really fucking
quickly. Probably. Let me tell you. I hope to
God they're actively monitoring these places
where people buy them because you're going to
be like, yep, you're going to be investigated
next week. Yep, you're going to be looked at
next week. And again, I hate that it's going
to be like government overreach in a lot of ways.
But boy, a lot of people are going to out themselves
without realizing it. Yeah. You know, it's funny
because a lot of us probably are already on watch
lists of some type or another. Yeah. Not for
that reason, thank God. No. Thankfully. So. Minds
work. We don't want you to talk too much. Yeah.
Minds work is I responded to something that the
police in England said on Facebook, and I got
a notification. So technically, if I go to England,
I might get arrested. I don't know. Oh, I. I
actually went on their police website and said,
bring it on, bitches. So I already know, don't
leave the US. Don't go to England. Said, oh,
you're arresting Americans for what we have free
speech for? Suck my nuts. Yep. So, back on topic
here, life hack implications. Is there a way
to cheat code reality? does that mean we can
just go up, up, down, down, left, right, left,
right, A, B, A, select, start, and just keep
living forever? Oh my God, I wish that would
be a thing. I would totally bring magic into
reality. Gibbs has no idea what that is. I would
totally, I'd be the first one to do Fireball.
We have no idea. First of all, fuck you. I played
the shit out of GTA going up. So fuck you. GTA?
Dude, that's the Contra code. All right. Yeah,
that's totally contra, man. Sorry. Sorry. Good
lord. That was like our time frame and you're...
That's true. That's true. Really? GTA? Yes. Uh
-huh. That was one of the games at least I could
think of that like really, really, really did
a mass adoption of the cheat codes. At least
in my generation anyway. Right. I mean... Fuck,
I had people looking them up online where to
find stuff, where to get things. Like, we used
to print them out for each other and be like,
oh, this website had this cheat code on this
one. And, like, there's this different one. Try
this one out. Yeah, but, you know. We actually
had devices that you would take the Nintendo
cartridge into, the Game Genie. The Game Genie,
yeah. And you'd plug it into the console, and
you had codes in a book. Uh -huh. Oh, see, I
never got to try any of that stuff. Yeah. Oh,
it was awesome. I had one for the Super Nintendo.
I had one for the Sega. A -B -A -C -A -B -B.
The blood code for the first Mortal Kombat. Hell
yeah! Wait a minute. Was that not enabled natively?
Not on the Super Nintendo. Not on Sega. It was
either white or green blood. I think it was white
blood. It looked like sweat is what it was. Yeah.
Yeah, but if you go into the arcade, oh, yeah,
it was full of graphic. It was great. Yeah, the
arcades were great. Oh, yeah. Oh, good times.
I miss the arcades. So, while us having three,
like, relative experienced gamers here, if we
could cheat code reality, I'm pretty sure one
of us by now would hit the right button combinations
to be a billionaire. Just saying. Yeah. Just
saying. Unless I have to like walk up to a tree,
do like a 360 spin, stop on my right foot and
don't forget it. And then like go around town.
Like, I don't know. I'm sure that there's some
sort of weird combination, but so the, the issue
is you have to walk into rent a few of those
houses and bust open jars to collect bird feathers.
And then you have to trade on the bird feathers
for the golden ticket. So yeah, we're not doing
that. But which kind of bird feathers? That's
the problem. You don't know until you know. Oh,
fuck. It's probably going to be shiny. More than
likely the shiny. So does anybody have a golden
parrot? Now we just have someone walk into a
random people's house and ask if they have bird
feathers. Oh, my God. They're going to think
I'm a fucking Jehovah's Witness coming up with
a book. It's like, no, no, sir. I ask you a very
important question. Don't close the door. Do
you have a golden parrot? Then they shut the
door like, fuck. I'll never know. I'll never
know. I'm here to talk about your lord and savior,
Herbie. Oh, my God. Yeah. So, yeah, if we can
sheet code reality through tactics and techniques
like manifestation, psychedelics, or even using
meditation as a sort of console command, again,
using the psychedelics to look at code in the
walls. Maybe. I would be down to try that one
sometime. What, meditation? No, the psychedelics.
Oh, yeah, fuck it. I can't calm myself down enough
to meditate. The bigger question, again, and
I know we already asked this, but it's worth
asking again, what happens if we prove it? Does
society collapse? Does the sim get shut down?
I mean, do people just... There's more than enough...
I keep saying there's too many people that would
sit there and absolutely reject it. There's people
that reject the idea that vaccines are a good
thing. So you come out and say, hey, we've proven
that life is nothing but a simulation, and we're
not technically real. There would be more than
enough people that would just be like, middle
finger, that's not true. And they would absolutely
ignore it. So, you know. I'll be real, Chief.
My bills are still due. So, like, you can tell
me it's a simulation. I'd say, great. I still
got to pay taxes. Like, it doesn't change my
life. Yeah. If this is a simulation, taxes were
the worst fucking idea ever. Get rid of that
bug. Right. If we can go up to a random cabinet,
smack the door, open the door like three times
and then beat on the side and a. A bagel appears
inside of it. Gibbs, do you remember that reference
from upload? Oh, yeah. Yes. Yeah. Then I think
we could prove that this is a simulation. Yeah.
Do you think that's why, like, some people randomly
go missing? Is they just clip through the world?
Either they clip through the world or they got
disconnected. User is disconnected. This isn't
AOL. Yeah. AOL or Earthlink from back in the
day. Yeah. Somebody picked up the phone. User
has been disconnected. I will say when my time
comes on my headstone, I would like to have logged
in and then logged off. Oh, yeah. That sounds
good. Yeah. So here's a question for you guys
and the listeners too. If you knew 100 % beyond
a shadow of a doubt that this was a simulation,
would you change how you live? No. No, I wouldn't.
However, I would definitely be trying to find
a means to contact the admin and go, what the
hell? Why don't we have magic? Yeah. yeah we
have a lot of bugs in the computer code for humans
that i i feel like at this point they really
should have worked out that they haven't yet
so like why the fuck is it i go into a room and
i forgot why the fuck i'm going in there so i
go back in another room just that's why i went
in the other room yeah or the or Or the fact
that they haven't patched out some of the idiocy
that's going on right now. Yeah. They need some
serious patching going on. They need to find
a way to make stupidity painful. Just period.
Right. That's probably one of the best things
they could do. Yeah. And as it looks like...
Yeah, I'm with that. This is going to be a much
shorter episode, I think, than we thought it
was going to be. But I want to kind of bring
this up before the episode shuts out. How does
it make you feel knowing that at best, and you
just take a step back and look at everything,
there is a non -zero chance that we are in fact
living in a simulation. There is no way to definitively
prove. or disprove one way or the other. Dr.
Neil deGrasse Tyson, guess that sweet, sweet,
beautiful chocolate man, recently said in an
interview that he puts our odds of living in
base reality at, and I quote, 50 -50 at best.
At best. Not one in hundreds, not one in thousands,
literally a fucking coin flip. I mean, it doesn't...
To say we're living in a simulation, if it's
based on a coin flip or not, I mean, whether
it's true or not, I don't think it affects your
day -to -day life, how you live, the choices
you make. At the end of the day, it could be
a simulation or not. It really doesn't change
our daily function. Because then what you really
have to understand is at this point, if we could
prove it's a simulation, then truly creation
is not of your own doing. you just happen to
exist so might as well make the most of it you
know might as well do the things you want to
do uh don't freak out because i feel like there's
some people that will absolutely lose their goddamn
minds oh yeah and those are the people i'm concerned
about but it's possible it could be it could
not be but you know to be fair 50 50 it's like
saying it's a coin flip that could be with a
lot of things too so i So what we're saying is
anybody with a mental health condition, it just
means their data got corrupted. Basically. That
is a Borked install right there. They need defragged.
Defrag. They need a reboot at best. Yes. Defrag
the C drive, let me tell you. Yep. So I guess
the other thing is if you can prove it's a simulation.
And get access to the data. You could have a
lot of fun with that. If you could get access
to the source code, that would literally make
you God. Yes. Again, I would totally take that
opportunity to bring magic. Yes. I'm a dork.
I don't care. I'd do it. The chaos that would
ensue would be amazing. It would be like in the
Avatar series. The Legend of Korra when airbending
was unlocked across the world. And all these
people could suddenly airbend and didn't know
what to do with it or how to use it properly.
So I guess this brings into a discussion then,
if you got access to the source code, it could
make any changes you were going to make. What
would be like the first two or three? What would
they be? Well, the first one, again. Already
know what you already know what my first won't
be the second one would be like no ugly people
everyone would be beautiful And the eye of the
beholder everybody would be beautiful no matter
what So anybody that is considered beautiful
they're now average like everyone else and You're
not gonna have any more of these basic bitches
run around like well i'm pretty so i can do whatever
i want no guess what now you're like everyone
else because everyone else is beautiful now so
guess what suck it up sucker yeah i don't know
i i feel like maybe have some fun and make something
like um the uh fuck uh invincible comic like
the the the viltrumites Make Earth more like
Viltrum. A lot of people died on Viltrumite to
get to that point, though. So many deaths. And
they even admit to the fact to get to where they
are, they had to kill a lot of Viltrumites or
Viltrumites, whatever it's called. Yeah, you're
going to be that Viltrumite that ends up whispering
in Mark's ear, but I'm so alone. Are you going
to be that guy that just before they absolutely
clobber the shit out of people be like, you know,
but they're all scared of me. Giving people one
little bit of psychological trauma before you
murder them to death. Yeah. I think maybe conquest.
That was his name. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Conquest.
Oh, yeah. I think maybe just making like, like
you said, magic. but maybe making magic and actual,
like, comic -level superpowers real. Yeah. I
think that would at least make things interesting.
Interesting is a word. Or you end up in a situation
where somebody has electric powers, they fall
into a pool full of lots of people, and you just
create chaos. No, it's death. And soup. Yes.
And it's human soup at the same time. Right.
I mean, we all saw The Boys. Yeah. Superpowers,
as much fun as they would be, I think most people
are way too stupid to be able to handle them.
But it would certainly be entertaining. Oh, yeah.
The problem is... Get the one guy that's angry
with laser eye powers. Oh, yeah. There'd be way
too many Homelanders. That's the problem. Yeah.
Yeah, exactly. Ugh. The thoughts that go through
that character's head. I still can't look at
milk the same way. Forever ruined. I used to
drink a gallon of milk a week. Ever since I watched
that show, I haven't barely touched the stuff.
Right. I can't do it. Just have to remind yourself
it's cow's milk. It's not people milk. That shit's
disturbing. You know, we are, I think, one of
the only species on this planet that drinks the
milk of another species. How messed up is that?
Well, we do have instances like kittens and puppies
and ducklings and just cute little fuzzy animals.
That's more of a survival situation. We routinely
do it for pleasure, essentially. just for consumption
we've made it into like specialized foods and
stuff like that we've also bred them to do that
I mean I don't know how How do I say this so
I don't get this canceled? What's easier? Make
sure you know where I'm going with this statement.
I'll say it's far easier to do with a cow. Do
it the other way. Get a judge involved and a
police officer and it's a little weird. It could
solve some of the jobless situations. Jesus.
why are you putting lipstick on that cow man
what's going on oh my god oh wow man all you
hear is moo moo that's not right that's not right
no This is devolving into the fucking Wookiee
porn all over again. Oh my God. Oh God. That
was so funny. Oh geez. I can't even do that.
Sasquatch porn. That's what it was. Sasquatch
erotica. Bigfoot erotica. I tried to watch the
Sasquatch movie. It was like Sasquatch Rising
or Sun Rising. It was supposed to be a comedy
drama type thing about a family of Sasquatches.
Within seven or eight minutes in, there's two
Sasquatches doing it doggy style. While another
two are just standing there holding hands watching.
After that was done. Yeah. I had to turn it off
after that. Okay. So later on question, one got
his tongue stuck on a rock or some shit. I don't
know. Yeah. Did, did the Sasquatch have the red
rocket or did it have like a regular, a regular
peen? don't know they didn't show that part thank
god instead they showed the one walking away
wiping his crotch with leaves nice hopefully
they weren't poison ivy hopefully not or at one
point they'd all stand by trees with a big stick
and one would go and they'd all start beating
on the trees and I'm like I got to turn this
off. This is so retarded. You almost said the
no -no. Almost $5 in the coin jar. It's a bad
gamble. It's bad. Why is there a cup in the background
which is called the hard R cup? It's like you
don't want to know. It has $100 in it. Not what
you think it is. I'm able to go on vacation.
That's going to be your vacation fund if you're
not careful. Right. Yeah. I'm gonna go to work
tomorrow and they're gonna be like, so what'd
you do over the weekend? Well, I pissed off a
lot of mentally handicapped people. I cannot
show my face in public for at least a week. Then
they'll forget. Just give them some Hot Pockets
and Diet Pepsi, you'll be alright. Yeah, exactly.
It's like, what were you doing today? Breakfast.
yeah you had to think about that part of the
the knights that say reline you know that's right
gibbs where are we on merch i i am simply just
observing this is just we're not after shrubbery
we're after chocolate chip cookies okay okay
now you have my attention Maybe some brownies.
Maybe some fun brownies. Then you're up my alley.
Get those brownies down. I didn't say it. I did
not say it. I caught myself. I think that's going
to do it for this episode. We're definitely going
to start tracking off if we're not careful. I
think we'll wrap it up here. Show us some love.
Don't forget your W. Consume 10 for 10 % off.
Merch coming. Live show end of the summer. And
next week, a new show. So anything else, guys?
No, I think. Oh, wait. Are we doing a show next
week? Yeah. Might as well. Yeah, because Christmas
is. The one after it's probably where we won't
because that would be the Christmas weekend.
Christmas weekend, yeah. So two weeks out, we're
probably taking a break. Yeah. Yes. That sounds
good. Sounds good. So in the words of a tech
sergeant I had in tech school, no glove, no love.
Yes. All right. And with that, we love you all.
Thanks for hanging out with us. And we'll see
you all next time.