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it's great. But yeah, so tonight's episode, we've
seen a lot of fun shit going on in the world.
The president has been touching tips with some
vessels in other countries. Taking out some drug
boats and going back for war crimes to make sure
there are no survivors. So Gibbs brought this
one up tonight, so I'll let him take the front
chair on this one. Yeah, absolutely. This is
something that I know we've been steering away
from politics a little bit. This one's kind of
more of a talk on foreign policy and kind of
a discussion with there. But basically, we're
starting a conversation recent months based with
the U .S. You can either say Coast Guard, you
could say military, whatever you want to call
it. Basically, it's from the executive branch
have been destroying boats, international waters.
I'm using the words destroying boats because
really technically the target has been the boats
that are transporting either drugs, illegal substances
or things rather than the people as per the paperwork.
But we'll go over that in a little bit. They're
just collateral. Effectively, yes, but that's
part of the wider discussion. But questions have
been mounting over the legality for a wave of
U .S. strikes on alleged drug boats in the Caribbean
Sea. They've been killed. There's been roughly
80 people that have been killed by this, which
is part of why this is becoming really big international
news. Because normally, yes, don't get me wrong,
the U .S. military is very good at killing innocent
people. We are exceedingly good at that. Yeah.
Especially under the guise of it being legal
when sometimes it's not, or very much in this
case, a gray area. But this is something I don't
want to say out of the normal, but I think it's
because we're doing so much less abroad that
when this is the only thing we're doing that's
in the mainstream media, people tend to focus
on it. Especially, let's be honest, it's the
holidays. It's such a slow news cycle that, of
course, they're going to really focus on this.
If we were in the middle of a big election season,
this wouldn't have even made the lower chyron
at a news station. So something to consider.
I don't know. I think it would have only because.
It's showing that such and such doesn't value
human life, maybe. Yeah, but the only problem
with that is the Democrats couldn't use it because
you have Obama that was doing the same thing
when he was in. They don't want to talk about
that, though. I know. I'm just saying. This is
part of the wide -ranging discussion I wanted
to have. I definitely want to hear from people
in the comments as well because this is one of
those things that we've been doing this for.
honestly really since world war ii since post
-world war ii but really in the last 20 25 years
really once we had drones that could effectively
operate really around the mid to late 2000 like
2005 to 8 even 10 that's we started seeing massive
drone strikes and honestly this is one of those
things that obama was kind of known for a drone
strike a day dude it is scary How many people
were killed by Obama drone strikes? And don't
get me wrong, Trump did the same thing, but even
Bush did a little bit, just like Biden. But part
of the discussion I wanted to ask was, do we,
as a country, have a right to destroy objects,
whether it be boats or people, into international
waters? Now, let me paint the context here. These
targets have all been related. to either cartels
or international drug smuggling. And almost all
those targets have been listed with Trend de
Aragua, which is listed as a terrorist organization.
That's the framing I want to put around this.
Because if it wasn't this, then I think it would
be a different argument. So my question to you
two is, do you think we have the right to destroy
those boats in international waters that are
outside our jurisdiction? Do you want to take
it first? Well, I will say since we haven't ratified
anything when it comes to the law of the sea
and stuff like that We're not Essentially, we're
not holding ourselves to the same standards like
other countries want to be so I mean we can kind
of Just like anyone else on the plan do whatever
the hell we want But from what I understood that
usually anytime like crime that's committed on
international waters Or any kind of action, be
it legal or not, usually it falls under the jurisdiction
of whoever owns that boat. So if it's coming
out of Venezuela, it's up to Venezuela to go,
hey, you know, you shouldn't do that. They're
not US citizens. I would like to say that if
we have any kind of confirmation of where the
boat may be going. And if we have confirmation
of the cargo, especially with things like known
drugs or something of that order, drugs, weapons,
whatever, then I think it's in the purview of
self -preservation and best interest of the public
at large to prevent that cargo from reaching
the shores of the U .S., whatever intel they
may have. As to where that cargo is going. Once
they have confirmed that it is drugs. And or
weapons. I think yes they do have the. I don't
want to say obligation. But maybe authority.
To prevent. That cargo from reaching any shores.
Unless it's like military aid. That's being used
in a conflict. That's. You know preventing some
kind of genocide. Or something like that. Because,
I mean, yeah, you could use drugs as chemical
warfare, but, I mean, that's even outlawed by
the Geneva checklist. But still, the methodology
of taking out the boats as they're getting underway
and whatnot, if they want to do it in a way that
gives the people on board a chance of survival,
then maybe if they want to focus more on just
disabling the boats. And maybe trying to focus
less on the actual killing of the people on board?
Okay, maybe. But you don't always have that option.
Depending on the ship that's doing the engagement,
you may or may not have the ability to engage
in a manner that prevents a return fire of some
kind and puts your people in harm's way. So when
you're... Taking on that kind of an operation,
you've got to be ready to just incur the most
amount of wrath that ensures the least amount
of damage or collateral damage to everybody involved.
Sometimes that means people just die. Because
you answer what my follow up question was going
to be. Do we have an obligation basically to
use nonlethal force? And I agree with your assessment
there, where if it's possible, sure. But if you're
going to be risking your people. It's not worth
it for somebody that if you have clear evidence
or clear intel information that this is someone
that's doing something very illegal or very harmful.
And I think as warfare weaponry technology improves
over the next probably 10 to 15 years, maybe
nonlethal becomes more of an option. Sonic weapons,
drones that can incapacitate even taser type
drones. Something along those lines. Yeah, go
ahead. Don't decommission the A -10. Just put
a big LRAD on it. Oh, God. Just, just, you know,
you know, for those that don't know what an LRAD
is, you're going to want to Google that one.
But yes, I say we don't retire the A -10. We
use it purely for turning around boats. International
waters are on our shoreline. Just hit him with
the good old burp. Yep. Just the boats now, so
I don't know why. You could sit there and use
them to deploy various entanglement options.
Nets, bolos, and whatnot. We do that a lot with
the submarine ones, whatever the semi -submersible
ones that the cartels use a lot. Yeah. But you
know what? You've got magnets. I don't know if
they make them out of metal or non -magnetic
stuff, but you've got to give these guys some
credit for ingenuity. Oh, yeah. And some brass
balls, just so you can pull that off. Oh, yeah.
Imagine being so determined to smuggle drugs
that you get a bunch of old, massive air compressor
oil tanks, welding them up, sticking a motor
in it. Be like, bitches, we got a sub. It's a
sub. Just a level of optimism. I'm not trying
to glaze the cartels, but that is some optimistic
shit to do that and be like, fuck it, we're setting
it, boys. No way. No fucking way. We're doing
it. But the reason why I wanted to bring up this
discussion is there's a huge controversy right
now happening in the States here about whether
these actions are legal. And I kind of wanted
to go through with you guys kind of line by line,
have a few discussions here and see what's the
kind of consensus that we come up with, with
this whole thing. Definitely from what I can
see, at least my opinion on that specific point,
we're kind of in a bit of a gray area because
technically under certain conventions, it would
be considered illegal, but they are identified
as being on a list of military targets. So there
is kind of a way to get around that where we
are allowed to do these strikes on things that
are considered military targets. And the executive
branch does have sole authority over military
targets. I know that that's one of the reasons,
one of the things that's been a, I guess, a bit
of a controversial point to say, well, this wasn't
approved by Congress. Well, it doesn't have to
be for anyone that says, well, these strikes
aren't approved by the idea. Well. If you look
at it from both sides, number one, executive
branch has sole authority over immigration, whether
it be legal or illegal. And number two, they
have sole authority over the military. So either
way, Trump kind of has them covered on that one.
Plus, the president has limited authority for
a certain amount of time to carry out military
actions without congressional approval. Yes.
So it's like any president or something like
that. Yeah. Yeah. Any president can. enact military
action for up to 30 days before they have to
see congressional authority to extend it. Oh,
it's 30 days. Okay. That's when I was growing
up. I heard 90. It might be 90. There's been
so much stuff I can't remember off the top of
my head. I thought it was 90 was like the hard
limit. Yeah. Because that was basically a rule
that was set back a long ass time ago before
we had the internet or instant communication.
It used to be like I thought it was 90 or something.
I think you're right. But anyways, my question
I want to ask you two is do we have the right
to go straight to lethal force with this if we
don't have 100 % confirmation? If we have an
idea that maybe they're transporters, that maybe
they might. What is the threshold for information
that we have to have in order to engage these
kind of boats or merchant vessels? I would think
if there's been confirmations of previous confirmations
of the place, the type of boat, the area that
people are coming from, if they're confirmed
to be of the same group, like the cartel or whatever
is putting the people there onto the ships and
whatnot, or boats rather. then I think we can
forego a certain amount of due process. But there
really should be some sort of confirmation of
cargo before you just launch straight into it.
The last thing you'd want is to find out that,
oh, we thought it was a drug boat. It turned
out to be human aid or medical aid or something.
It's a truck full of babies. Oh, the jokes I
could make, but I can't make them on Twitch.
Anyways. So the other the other question I want
to have, and this is something that I think I
haven't heard anyone mention. Are we concerned
that the same excuses and same things can happen
to American citizens traveling abroad or going
other places where if we're noticing it's mostly
the U .S. government going after. Obviously,
drug cartels coming from south of the border,
places like Venezuela and things like that. I
guess my question is, if it's legal for the U
.S. to destroy these ships without a 100 % verification,
are we worried about that happening to American
citizens? Or even possibly some, maybe we might
have CIA or FBI assets that are not fully disclosed.
Yeah. Are we treading those waters? Yeah, we're
always treading those waters because we don't
know what's going on on a daily basis on the
global stage. So you're always going to have
that risk. That's why there's warning lists of
what countries you can and can't go to, or not
so much that you can't go to them, but it'd be
advisable not to as an American citizen. So is
there a risk? Oh, absolutely. Yeah, I'm with
Gibbles on that. Okay. So, again, I think we're
all in agreement with there. Here is one of the
questions I want to propose to you two. And I
kind of want to think about this one, which is
for people that are traveling particularly, let's
just say if you're traveling near China or Russia
or Taiwan or civilian vessels or anything like
that. Do you think something like this to where
they're going to say, well, the U .S. has been
able to blow up ships to them, they might say
indiscriminately or whatever they deem. Will
this be the case of something like World War
I or World War II, like the sinking of Lusitania,
where it would just be, hey, we're going to have
an American ship somewhere out in the Pacific
that's going to get hit. And some countries are
going to claim, well, they were carrying drugs,
they were doing this, doing that. And that escalates
the situation in the Pacific. Do you think something
like that's possible? Possible, yes. Probable,
I don't know. It depends on the rest of the climate
in the area. Yeah. Fair. There's always extraneous
circumstances to it. Okay. But historically,
if you have American boat with Americans on said
boat and that something happens to that boat,
historically, we overcompensate. Just a little
bit. We're a little touchy with our boats. That's
a sore subject with us. Fair. Today. Talking
about touching our boats today is that day. Oh!
Today is the day our boats got touched. Damn
it. Oh, wow. Okay. I just looked down and saw
that. Wow. Okay, so. Today is definitely the
day. Don't touch our boats today. I know it's
already over by the time you're seeing it, but
no. Yeah. This is the official do not touch our
boats day. Yeah. This is the official no touching
the water. Stay out. Everyone else out of the
pool. This is America's day in the pool. And
historically, even before that, we were all anti
don't touch our boats. I mean, look at how the
Navy responded before it was really the Navy.
And we went to the Middle East and destroyed
all the pirates. Yeah. So before Congress could
even be notified what we were doing, you know,
we come back with all these boats and stuff and
said, yeah, there is no more pirate problem.
You know, let me sidetrack for just a second.
I know piracy is still happening today. I feel
like that is something people should pay to be
able to go and do as anti -piracy stuff because
there are or be paid better to do. Because there's
a lot of stuff going on. There's a lot of people
that would be very capable of being put up on
boats and ships to repel pirates in international
waters. And clearly there's a market for something
like that when you have people that were paying
to go human hunting in third world countries
for crying out loud. Yeah. So I guess here's
my other question. With the killing and destruction
of these boats. from cartel members and terrorists
do you think that's going to embolden some some
companies to actually hire like armed guards
and personnel and actually start defending their
shit because the amount of times i see these
boats they should go through national waters
and all they have is a fucking hose and it's
like really really you have a ship that's worth
like a billion dollars you're gonna protect it
with fucking water that that's not gonna work
out that well buddy like yeah sure sometimes
it works out they have like a dinghy you know
what that leads to That leads to, look at me.
I'm the captain now. That's what that leads to.
Yeah. Was it Captain Phillips? Was that the name
of that one? Yeah, Captain Phillips. Good. But
I wonder if this is going to open up legally
where a lot of companies are going to say, hey,
if the U .S. is allowed to just drop a bomb,
yeah, maybe we can have some guys with a few
rifles, just saying. Mm -hmm. I feel like it
would pay rather well, too. I feel like it'd
be fun. You would have a lot of former military
folks signing up hand over fist. Because A, they've
already got the training. B, they could handle
it. And C, it's not going to cause them any more
PTSD because they've already got PTSD. This is
going to be a way for them to vent. It's target
practice. That's all that is. They're just shooting
at boats. Yeah, just carry enough ammo. Yeah.
Yeah. That's going to be the biggest. Oh, yeah.
You're going to spend more money on ammo than
you are salaries. Like at that point, but could
be worth it. Or maybe that's why you just run
all 22s and just sink their boat. You know, imagine
that's the most cost efficient way. You just
get like 22 mini guns. And you're just like,
hey, you know. Sorry. The pea shooter from hell.
Why spend $20 a round? Well, I could spend $20
for a thousand rounds. actually how much would
that be how much would that be for um about 40
bucks give or take if i remember right yeah i
haven't looked at 22 in a while just saying all
it takes a couple of those to sink a dinghy you
know or you mount a 25 millimeter machine gun
and it takes about one round yeah i know that
from experience it it wasn't a dinghy it was
a speedboat but oh Well, that's a story for another
day. Was it like a fragmentation round or was
it just like a slug? Incendiary AP. Oh, nice.
Ah, yes. They get to see what it's like to be
in the depths of hell for 0 .3 seconds before
they exploded. Oh, man. This is how you get to
be well done in a casket. There's no casket at
sea. Well, you know. Does the dinghy that gets
wrapped around you as you're sinking to the bottom
count? They're all shrapnel. Oh, oh, oh. Yeah.
So, okay, just I had to engage a speedboat while
I was in the military. The second round hit the
front of it, and it kerbluied, and speedboats
aren't supposed to kerbluie when rounds hit that
part of the speedboat. Oh, there were things
on board. Yes. Ah. Yeah. Well, there was. There
was. Yes, there was. Along with the three guys
that were on board. So the fish ate well that
day. I bet they did. Wow. Yes. You know, he just
became the quickest Uber Eats for the sharks.
My God. And he still didn't get a tip. oh man
yeah shark is like i'll give you a tip if you
come in the water and i'll tell you about it
yes i i i do miss running that 25 millimeter
machine gun it was like uh 70 76 rounds a minute
i want to say so i mean it wasn't it wasn't the
well yeah but i mean It's all you need. It, it
literally felt like an orgasm every time that
thing fired. Oh my God. You're so tired after
an eight hour shift. I would be too. Yeah. I
still have some of the, I still have some of
the casings from that, uh, from that event. And
you never, or I'm kind of mad. I'm sorry. It
never came up. You never even mentioned that.
I'm sorry. A little salty. I'm sorry. Well, you
are a Will Marble person, so you should be salty.
Anyways. Yeah. So, I guess the other question
I want, now we're going to go back to the original
topic. The other question I want to ask you is,
is by the fact of being labeled as part of Trend
de Agua, or Aragua, however you say it, Trend
de Aragua. Or really any other criminal organization?
Is that in itself enough to justify being shot
in the water? Or do you have to have proof of
another illegal action or just being part of
a terrorist organization or being an associate?
Is that enough, do you think? Gibles, this is
more your realm. Well, if we're talking about
U .S. law, then you're still going to have intent.
Because anytime you have the FBI arrest anybody,
they always talk about what the intent was. I
mean, but when it comes to national defense overseas,
anything at the border and border of the United
States on out. It really just. Like we've talked
about before, it's what does the commander -in
-chief have to say. And I found out it's 60 days
with the 30 -day extension. Ah. Is what the president
has. That might have been where I got the 30
days from. Yeah. So, yeah, the president has
60 days to say, okay, well, this is going on.
I'm defending our country from it. Blah, blah,
blah. After 60 days, he can ask for an extension.
but they're only gonna give another 30 days before
finally they have to rule okay is this a military
action that we need to continue or is this something
that we need to stop now so i i guess i'm here
for you guys is it's conditional as well i'm
here is once you get enough information so there's
no steadfast 100 rule that 100 of the time yep
destroy them all or never i'm not here yeah okay
so you two are actually agreeing with i think
what honestly most people that i have seen because
Over the weekend, I've been keeping up with this
story. I've been watching the news from all sides,
trying to figure it out. I've heard some people
say, and I think this kind of stupid say, ah,
fuck them, just blow them all up, which is like,
all right, chill. But I've heard some people
say on the spectrum, that's like, well, no one
deserves to die over that. It's like, well, at
the same point, and not for nothing, if you're
drug trafficking fentanyl into the country, I
have zero sympathy for you if you sleep with
the fishes. I think I would agree with you that
at the end of the day, it's really information.
It's really gathering enough information to really
justify, hey, this is worth taking down. Not
to also put out there, but the fact that if you're
talking about the drug pusher that's right inside
the city of the United States, like downtown
Detroit, that's still different than this jackass
that's coming off the coast of Venezuela or nowhere
near the United States in that instance. You're
also talking about two different scenarios completely.
Like, okay, what happens outside the United States
isn't always our jurisdiction. So, yeah, if we
did something, sure, but it's still, as I said
before, it's still going to constitute whether
it's considered a crime and then who's the crime
against. You know, you're going to have other
countries that would have to get involved, let
alone the country that currently right now is
getting their drug boys taken out. So I think
I would agree with you that it also does. People
need to realize, too, that we don't as a country,
because they're outside of our borders, we also
don't owe them the same rights that they would
do within our borders. That is a very defining
factor that I think a lot of people, particularly
a lot of the news media, are not fully understanding.
Because a lot of the arguments I keep seeing
is, well, no one deserves, you know, they should
go to trial, they should go to this. And I'm
like, go to trial. They're like. Out in the middle
of the fucking Atlantic. Like, are they in the
Caribbean? Like, there is no trial. What, the
local courthouse by the fucking turtle that's
swimming by? No, no, that's not how this fucking
works. Absolutely not. That'd be like getting
robbed in China and expecting to go to a, you
know, courthouse in freaking downtown San Francisco.
Yeah. No. It doesn't make sense. I have good
news. Keep talking. Okay. Oh, you have... Oh,
he has good news. The reason why I was being
specific about this and asking this is because
there are some rules called the LOAC or the laws
of armed conflict. I think that's important because
in a typical situation where like boots on the
ground, you're in a military environment, stuff
like that, or an engagement zone, there are different
rules than maritime LOAC. which specifically
would state, and I quote, enemy merchant vehicles
are liable to attack. And since they're considered
enemy combatants, because they're part of a terrorist
organization, all these strikes are legal. In
a way that they don't have to have oversight
or approval from Congress. Would you both agree
with that? Yeah, I mean, I would absolutely agree
with it if they had ratified it. Exactly. so
they actually took the time to ratify some of
these freaking treaties and laws that they keep
referencing i'd be all for it but they don't
ratify the crap so they're like oh well we can't
we have to abide by some crazy you know law of
the sea or whatever no we don't because guess
what we never ratified it yeah the president
said yeah we should do this until again when
everybody talks about how congress has rules
to do this and that Until Congress and the Senate
sign off on stuff, we're not obliged to deal
with any of that. So essentially, it's like no
holds barred. The U .S. can do what it wants
until we put ourselves against that treaty. I
was going to say, you didn't fall for the trap
because I was purposely trying to set you up
on that one. Yep, yep, pip. Oh, he's got it.
This is the shell casing. It is quite girthy.
Yes. This was the shell casing that took out
that boat. Nice. That's a lot of powder. Yeah.
25 millimeter. Christ. I'll have to just pull
out my bag of googies next week. Yeah. So. Jesus.
So, anybody that's watching. That is the shell
casing I used to take out the speedboat. The
bullet stuck out probably about like that. It's
supposed to be a little bit more than that. It's
an A -10 round, right? No. No. A -10 is 30 mil.
Yeah. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm looking at. You're right.
Sorry. I should have known that. In the galley.
That thing's glorious. Nice memories. Yep. How
many yards did you shoot him out at? You have
350, I think. Can we get a picture of that round
with the rifle and just say Kurt Cobain POV,
300 yards. Oh, shit. Yeah, I'm sorry to sidetrack.
No, that's cool. I'm glad you have that. Yeah.
I also have a belt, a linkage set from the 20
mil that I got to fire. I got to stand outside
when they were test firing it, probably six or
eight feet away. I had triple hearing protection.
That thing rattled every bone in my body. Good
old C -Wiz. Outside of M61A1, pulling the trigger.
It's done. What do you mean it's done? It's where
we fired everything. Fuck. Yes. Okay. So I'm
sorry to sidetrack. Let's get back on topic.
No, it's okay. So the reason why I wanted to
bring up LOAC is because you're 100 % right,
Gibbles. This is something I have heard brought
up by literally every single news organization
because this comes up in a Google search if you
look it up. Why? Oh, because there was a BBC
article about two months ago, maybe a little
bit less than that, maybe like a month and a
half, that mentioned LOAC. And when I searched
about these and legality, that came up at least
90 % of the time. So what I want to bring up
here is when everybody tells you about that,
that works for Europe, sure, and whatever countries
that sign up. I don't know all of them. But that
don't include us. We have our own laws because
we are not forced to sign that crap. Now, great.
I'm not saying it's bad because low act does
have some stuff in it that I do think makes sense.
But we already have some of that stuff internally
for rules of engagement. So. No harm, no foul.
But I just want to bring that up because, quite
frankly, I've seen people flame each other online
and I think it's stupid because they're talking
out of their ass now because they have no idea.
They didn't take the time to read. No, well,
they just don't most don't, you know, they read
the headline. That's true. You know, that's trust
me. It takes a while to read all these articles,
which I get. I get not everybody has the time,
but that's why you go with independent journalists
because some of them are really good. But what
I also want to talk about here. And this was
where it should. Yes. Is this is not the first
and this is not the last time. that the u .s
military the u .s government has been deleting
people outside of our borders and what i want
to ask the two of you it is quite simply do you
think this is a this is something we should use
to kind of springboard a discussion on what the
hell has the u .s been doing in terms of foreign
affairs really since post -world war ii where
Where does our authority start and stop and end?
Have we been abusing it? Have we been going too
far? Have we not been going far enough? Because
what a lot of the rest of the world is seeing,
because I spent a lot of time reading some articles
from Europe, even some from Australia. I had
one translated from frigging Taiwan, which I
got to be honest with you, I feel like it gave
me brain damage because it wasn't very good translated.
But what every other country is saying is that
we're basically bullying. Yeah. And I want to
hear your guys' opinion on this. I think, yes,
we probably are overstepping because we very
much have the mindset of we're going to do this
until someone shows us that we can't. Yeah. There's
nobody that's going to tell us otherwise. Period.
Fair. This is what we feel has to be done. So
we're going to do it. And until somebody else
shows up to say, no, you're not, well, yes, we
are. So do you think then maybe Trump should
also be telling these other countries, hey, you
need to police your own fucking borders? Like,
you guys got to get your shit in order. Yeah,
absolutely. Well, that's what he did during his
first term, was telling all the European countries,
guess what? You need to be paying for your own
defense. We shouldn't be footing the entire bill,
and then everybody got all busy with him. And
now look at Ukraine all these years later. Even
though everybody will try to claim, oh, it's
Trump's fault. Yeah, no. It's one of those things
where I know historically we have had a problem
with our foreign policy going overboard in other
countries. But I feel like in this case, especially
when it comes to international waters, where
it's clear so many countries don't give a fuck.
There are so many countries that have zero interest
in doing any sort of policing internationally.
Do you guys think there's any better solution
that maybe at some point we can move away from
America being the world police? Do you think
there's a solution there or a better way of going
about it? Yes. Or are we just kind of stuck with
it? I think once we get better AI and robots,
yes, we can stop being world police. We'll just
deploy the world police for us. So you're like
Iron Man 3. Yes. Or Ultron. You're basically...
Ultron philosophy, yes. Or the Eternals. No,
because the Eternals sucked. We'll do Ultron.
Ultron was better. So you would support an Ultron
initiative? I think to an extent. I just don't
know that it could be done in a manner that would
allow, you know, enough oversight. And you also
risk, of course, the hacking aspect and having
control taken away and turned against us. But
I have, I have a question for you then. Okay.
Instead of, well, you could do an Ultron type
thing, but you just basically use security like
surveillance drones. And you essentially find
people to where when they land in another country,
all of a sudden, all their information is there.
Everything's uploaded. And they're like, hey,
you were traveling illegally with this shit.
We're not going to kill you. But you and me carry
a million dollars. So anything that you have
in there, you're now seized. It's forfeited.
And we're sending you back if you do it again.
The second time is not going to be so nice. My
question to you is, do you think there'll be
a way of doing it where either number one, people
pay some sort of penalty for trying that stuff?
Or do you go the other route and say, screw it,
arm those drones with guns and then be like,
you crossed the line. So I don't think you arm
them with guns. I think you arm them with methods
of. that are exceedingly painful. Because pain,
when applied properly, is a very effective way
to deter things. So large speakers playing Taylor
Swift music, that'll do it. And Baby Shark. Oh,
fuck you. No, no, that's a Geneva Convention.
No, no, no. You've been doing the checklist.
No. That hasn't been applied to a checklist yet.
We're good. Yet. Maple syrup people haven't gotten
their hands on it. Maple syrup people. Oh, my
God. At least he didn't say the other phrase
from our Discord. Yeah. Jesus. I've been told
to behave myself a little more. Yes. You're doing
good. Good gibbles. Good gibbles. Yay. Oh, man.
So I guess that's what I was wondering with the
AI Ultron thing, though. I do wonder. With the
policing internationally is that could be something
to where maybe NATO or UN is gonna come together
at some point be like look Every country outside
of like a hundred miles outside of their physical
borders where it becomes internet was a 250 is
a 250 years at 100 Depends on who you ask some
people say it's 12 miles some people say 200
miles. Well, whatever it is all do a standardized
like 100 kilometers, 100 miles, whatever the
fucking unit they want to use. Just be like,
anything outside that that's international, that's
subject to international law. Here's the laws.
Case closed. Done deal. Yeah. Do you think they'll
ever do it? No, because I think there's too many
people in the right places getting paid. Yeah.
Or getting supplied with underage people and
drugs. Oh. Yeah, I said the thing out loud. Yeah,
unfortunately, there's more than one Epstein.
I dare you. Unfortunately, Epstein wasn't the
only one. There's many more to find. It's like
Pokemon. You got to catch them all. The Epsteins,
not the kids. The Epsteins. Two different things.
Let's see. Oh. Oh my goodness, our Twitch. I
don't even want to know. No, you do not. But
I think besides that, honestly, you two answered
the questions that I had way more quickly than
I honestly anticipated. Never underestimate the
level of tism in this group. I expect the three
of us, honestly, to have more different opinions
than I would have thought. Let me kind of go
off on a tangent here for a second. Yes. I fully
support the thoughts and ideas of protecting
people from getting the drugs on our shores.
We know, especially with fentanyl, good God,
if I could just Thanos snap my fingers and get
fentanyl off this planet, at least in the drug
case, I would do it. That has caused more accidental
deaths than any other drug, I'm pretty sure.
Oh, yeah. The bad part is it's a great medication.
Yeah. When it's used properly. Used appropriately,
yeah. So there's that fine line again. But just
like a firearm, it's a great tool when used properly.
So you have a really hard time making that argument.
But when you've got people who are going to abuse
the system like that. and get it into the drug
supply like they are, cocaine, meth, heroin,
whatever, and they're intentionally overdosing
people like this, the people who are most susceptible
are going to be the recipients, not the people
supplying it. So you've got people who are just
in a bad spot in life. I have never been on...
the spot of life of seeing addiction that up
close other than when i was an emt so i know
addiction is a disease i guess i i don't feel
like it's something that people can just easily
walk away from and i know that it is one of the
hardest things to get over especially with shit
like heroin because you use it once you are chemically
addicted the same with pcp yeah so And I believe
like meth might be another one where once or
twice. Yeah. But you're, you're in there. Um,
we don't have the support services for, for the
people that want to get the help to get the help
they need. So realistically cutting off the supply
is literally the best option. Now, yeah, they're
going to go through DTs. If this happens, you
know, best case scenario, but people can be saved
from DTs. Yeah. So here's my question to you
then, because I have several different solutions
for this one, but how do you think we should
be handling and holding these countries accountable
for allowing or supporting the manufacturing
distribution of these drugs, especially when
the intent is to distribute and sell in this
country? So a lot of the countries that are doing
this are doing this fully knowledgeably. They're
doing this under the guise of, oh, we don't know
what's going on, but they're being funded from
it. So you go in, you find ways to take out their
cash supplies. You take out whatever support
system they have that's benefiting from the money
that they're getting. Then you go and you take
out the supply system that they're using to get,
make, and or manufacture the drugs, the logistics
network, all of it. Then. you start taking out
the support network for any of that logistics
network. And if it still doesn't stop, well,
then you start taking out their infrastructure.
You send them back to the 1800s if you have to.
Funny enough, some of these countries still exist
in the 1800s just with some modifications. So
if you have to take them back to the Stone Age,
take them back to the Stone Age. So do you think
then at this point we should transition maybe
the CIA in a way? almost to say you know what
if if terrorism well it's a problem isn't nearly
the problem as drug distribution is in this country
do you take the cia and say hey all that shit
you guys been doing for the last 40 years that
you know works fucking have at it or do or just
or do we just give the dea more resources and
say hey you know we'll give you guys free reigns
in other countries do what you got to do where
what's the line what's the line What's the line?
Where do we go with this? Because I guess the
problem is with what we're doing right now, it
ain't helped. We've been losing the war on drugs
for the last 30, 40 years. We've made essentially
zero progress. Anytime we make progress anywhere,
something else comes up and it's even worse.
It's even worse. So what do we do? Our biggest
problem is we have no follow through. Yeah. After
World War II, that was like the answer on how
we handle anything. World War II cleanup, we
did great. Anything after that, it's been an
absolute shit show. You're going to send the
CIA in to deal with this, we're going to have
another Iran. Iran, before the CIA had got their
hands on that country, was a democratic country.
They were very progressive. You almost wouldn't
think that was the same country if you look at
the pictures from the 50s to now. Before the
Arab Spring or the Arab Uprising in the late
70s, Iran was a very up and coming place yeah
so the last thing we need to do is send in our
spooks because they're a bunch of morons when
it comes to keeping things cleaned up they they
can go in and spy and kill stuff and all that
but the problem is is their follow -through is
terrible so is is the real solution at this point
do we then have to start nicely annexing south
the border saying hey starting with mexico it's
just rolling tanks in there and being like hey
we we are now taking you as a territory of the
u .s and just kicking these cartels out okay
listen i i am getting very tired of making batman
references in our shows but they're getting more
and more uh relevant so at this point we're now
at the point of either we die the hero or we
live long enough to see ourselves become the
bad guy. We're approaching living long enough
to become the bad guy territory. Because we literally
sent how many people to die in World War II to
take out a dictator who was annexing land and
now that's literally the best option we have.
I was going to say it's not, I wouldn't go that
route. I would say more or less if a cartel member
goes and does something that causes a crime in
the U .S., at that point you retaliate in kind.
But not the objective, we're going to roll all
our troops up into a country. I mean, if all
of a sudden you got 30, 40 freaking cartel members
roll up into the U .S., do some dumb shit, well,
guess what? We're going to have 30 or 40 specialized
units roll right up and do some dumb shit on
you. But our objective should not be annexing,
we should not be taking anything. We should absolutely
be, you know, we should be, Our objective, especially
if we're still fighting the whole thing with
drugs and all that, the objective is go after
the people that are causing the problem. And
if that means doing like what Trump's doing right
now, because it's not in the U .S. that we're
talking about. We're talking about international
waters, and that's one thing. But when you're
talking about something that's here in the U
.S., obviously your tactics are going to be way
different. So I have an interjection. what you
were saying about um going after the the cartels
and whatnot if they don't start calming down
and playing ball a little bit instead of just
launching troop campaigns let's just take a page
out of ukraine's book and start launching drone
attacks because those are going to be a little
bit more targeted and a little less collateral
and we can focus more on where it needs to go
We just want to be careful how much you want
to bring that back to the stateside with that,
though. Because that could get ugly real fast
just watching the stuff of, you know, Ukraine,
Russia. Well, look at China, because we've been
talking, and I'm working on some stuff for a
drone and AI -type show, because, I mean, that's
one of the big things we cover here. But, yeah,
some of the stuff that China has been unveiling
is absolutely asshole -clenchingly horrifying.
when it comes to their drone capabilities. Especially,
by the way, the DJI band is supposed to be going
into effect soon, by the way. Yeah, so I might
as well throw my shit away. Get your drones while
you can. Did you see the dude that's got the
gesture control drones now? Yeah. And he's got
a whole fleet of them. That was a fleet of flying
swords or whatever he had. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So
here's my other question to you two then, because...
My thought has been, what if we do none of those
options? What if we do the economic route and
we tell these countries, hey, we're going to
calculate the damage your country is doing to
our country with drugs, and we are going to literally
tear a few into oblivion. And that way, when
you have no money and you're begging for our
help, then we roll in with the tanks and military.
When your citizens are asking, we have nothing
left, there's no government, no anything. it
seems like we're almost stuck in the point to
where we can't do anything. Anything we do is
going to be wrong. Or do we just say screw it
and at least economically force some changes?
Because I think at some point, I hate to be that
guy. I know we don't want to have boots on ground.
I know we don't want to have to do anything,
any of these things. But if we keep this cycle
up for much longer, there won't be countries
left. There won't be any countries like south
of our border. They're all just going to be giant.
effective you know states of the cartel in various
cartels and then the problem is they have so
many human shields it's basically they're doing
the palestine method but across the entire south
of the border so what what do you do to actually
solve anything do you just say screw it and use
sanctions and tariffs to make it to force those
governments to say you have to do something or
Do you hope that maybe the drone program or CIA
or DA or whoever else or special agents can make
some sort of change? I think maybe it's a combination
of both. Because otherwise you're going to be
left with a scorched earth policy that's going
to be all that's left. Yeah. And I can't be in
charge because I would have just took the gloves
off and said, screw it, kill them all. you know,
it's a little heavy handed, but I get it. I really
do. But it would work just from watching all
the drug users over the years and people that
have been addicted that should never been addicted.
Hell, I watched one poor woman get addicted to
PCP and it wasn't even her fault. She got a cigarette
from a friend who dipped it in PCP and it to
her. And now she's addicted to it, even though
she had no intention of smoking it. But you know
what, though? I feel like that's a failing of
also a lot of our cities, not enforcing drug
policies. And this is part of the problem, I
think, domestically. Maybe something I didn't
consider before, but we have to tighten up our
drug enforcement domestically and have a clear
delineation. Because some drug enforcement, quite
frankly, we shouldn't be, like marijuana shouldn't
be a class -run drug, and there's a few other
things I don't think that we should be prosecuting
for. But at the same point, in a lot of major
cities, we allow big -time... drug dealers to
walk free all the time and other people to not
face jail time, to not be forced to actually
make a difference and serve their time or be
forced to give up information on people they
were working with. Maybe it's a combination of
all those things where between domestically getting
rid of as many of these people as possible and
then foreign discouraging and disincentivizing
any of these things to happen in the first place.
Yeah. It's sticky. It's dark and it's not an
easy path to go down. Sorry, I was trying to
get my words. It's okay. Words are hard. So that
was at least the discussion I wanted to have
with that. I'm glad I could get your guys' thoughts
on that. because again you both have more experience
and some of the stuff in terms of traveling the
world and going places and seeing different things
than i do and to be honest with you i have zero
experience with any of that stuff all that stuff's
very foreign to me so i thought it was interesting
topic for us to kind of discuss yeah yeah because
there's no real solution there's no easy solution
there you know Because our podcast is really
good at saying, hey, here's the easy fucking
solution that all you idiots in Congress can't
seem to figure out. But this is probably the
one that's like, man, that's tough. Yeah. So
I did have a question that I had added into the
notes. Are we slowly entering the area of America
does war crimes, otherwise known as the Geneva
checklist? Because as was mentioned in the news
articles, when. We recently hit one of those
drug boats. There was a second attack ordered
to go after the survivors. I do not know if this
has been 100 % confirmed that that was the intent
of the attack. Go ahead. I do have the answer
on that one. Okay. So according to Pete Hegseth,
from what I had read and from what I had heard,
is their objective was to destroy the boat itself.
The survivors who had jumped out of the boat.
then got back in the boat while the bomb and
our missile was already in the air. So, cause
it was already on fire. So they hit it. It was
on fire. They jumped out. The fire stopped. They
jumped back in. And that was well after they
had already hit the button to release said munition.
So that was not, they, that's why when I started
this, I should have, I should have mentioned
this whole thing. That's my fault. But when I
started this conversation, I mentioned that sometimes
the boats that were the target, not necessarily
the people. And it was that specific instance
or circumstance that I was referencing that I
forgot to get back to. But effectively, it was
the boat. The boat was the problem. The boat
had the drugs. So that was the target. The boat
had to go. Yeah. So then it began to ooze. But
no, they were not explicitly the targets. But
also, not for nothing, why would you be dumb
enough? If you're on a boat carrying stuff that's
illegal and it gets hit by ammunition and is
on fire, why do you go back in said boat? That's
the only possible chance you have of survival.
I mean, if you're out in the middle of the water,
it's that or sharks. Well, for being out where
they are, yeah. It's the door issue from Titanic
all over again. I just wish I had an AI generated
image of, you know, me on vacation in the Caribbean.
It just shows me like standing in a boat on fire,
looking up as a 500 pound bomb, like five feet
away from my face. Like, oh yes, this vacation
is going really well. You don't actually have
to do that. It was, it was more like a joke,
but I can make that happen. I know you can. So
it's, it's just one of those things where. It
is a tough topic, but I wanted the people at
home to understand that. I know we're hearing
a lot of things from news media saying that all
this is illegal. And quite frankly, from everything
I can look at and see, 100 % of what's happened
or what has been ordered per the letter of the
law is legal. Morally, that's a different story.
It's a question of not is it legal or not, because
it is. It's a question of should we? And that's
a whole different. No, that's this discussion
we've been having. But just don't let people,
you know, from the news media, other people swayed
you say, oh, whatever happens illegal to solve
bullshit. It's not. It's not. And I'm sure if
it was illegal, you would have to arrest so many
previous presidents. It was particularly got
to give him credit. Obama probably has the highest
score on that one. You know, the amount of people
that the amount of innocent people he had bombed.
Is astronomical. So. I wish I remember the number
off the top of my head, but from what I had read,
we had dropped more bombs in the Middle East
than we did in World War II. Oh, yeah. And there
was over a million civilians killed in the Middle
East, noncombatants, for everything that happened.
Wow, that's a lot. So it's like, when you really
put that into perspective, you're like, wow.
And he presided over 60 years. My crew all by
ourselves just in the first six months of the...
The Iraqi conflict, I mean, we dropped over a
million tonnage. Jeez. What were most of those,
500s or 1 ,000s? 1 ,000s, 2 ,000s, yeah. It was
a lot of GB -12s. A lot of 12s. Oh, my God. Hit
some GB -24s in there, some 15s, Adrian 130s
that were in there, you know. It was a lot of
GB -12s. Yeah. And for those people who have
a 1 ,000 -pound bomb, we'll do what, like a house
or two? Two or three houses in a row kind of
thing? Just one GB -12 could pop a house. But
if you dare, you're pink mist. That's where the
joke comes from. You are pink mist. You are now
past tense. Yeah. We'll be looking for your teeth.
That's it. Do those even survive? Yeah. It can.
The calcium parts can. Yeah. I mean, yeah, it
just depends on how hot it gets. And how close
you were to this. Right. If it was hot, you know,
close enough that, you know, it flayed away the
flesh of your skin, but yet not strong enough
to vaporize your teeth, it's just going to get
knocked out of your mouth. Yeah. I know. Shouldn't
know these things. Well, I shouldn't be carrying
around an image on my phone that shows how to
properly prepare a human for consumption either,
but I do. You know, I think that's like, what,
the seventh or eighth podcast in a row you brought
that up? I'm afraid he really wants to try it.
You're not trying it. No. Oh. Well, it depends
if these solar storms get any worse. Who knows?
It's the ninth now. Yeah, right. Did you hear
that they grounded an airplane? No, I didn't.
Oh, my God. So it's a developing story waiting
on details. But from what I had heard earlier
this morning, there was so there's been so much
in the solar storms and radiation and whatnot.
There's a plane that they had to ground because
they're having. Wow. So there's now a huge worry
with the FAA being like, oh, my problems. So,
you know. Just keep an eye on that one. That
might be a one -off. Who knows? Maybe they forgot
the shielding or something, or maybe there was
some sort of accident. Yeah. But there's been
massive solar storms lately. I can function.
Or who knows? Maybe that's an excuse for our
internet going all fucky because there's so many
cybersecurity attacks. Who knows? What even is
real anymore? Who knows? I'll get back to you
once I find Harambe again. Right. That brings
up a... a topic we have something on the docket
about how real are things um talking about whether
or not real life is actually a simulation or
not uh i i have to not say anything or else this
will be a three -hour podcast that i could go
on for for an hour well that's where we're going
to do an episode on it yeah that's that's a yeah
yes all i can say is i i have some uh suggestions
if it is to whoever's running this. Somebody
run the antivirus program because holy shit.
Right. Can he get rid of like the random parts
of you being itchy? Like whoever's the asshole
that fucking did that for a simulation? I swear
to God. Yeah. Yeah, I think we can do that next
week if you guys want. Oh, yeah. Sure. All right.
We'll do that. Oh, yeah. Excellent. Excellent.
Oh, shit. Does that kind of wrap us up for this
week? I think so. I apologize because I'm pretty
sure you had a much longer episode lined up,
but we tismed out and got most of the stuff answered.
Well, I guess I thought maybe all three of us
were going to have some different opinions than
we did, and we all happened to agree basically
word for word. So, sir, we've been friends for
how long now? I mean, well, it was going to happen.
Yeah. Yeah. But like, I don't know. I figured.
So maybe as someone that like I never served
the military, I don't have the experience with
any of this kind of stuff. I was hoping maybe
you guys were going to bring up some stuff that
was going to challenge some of my preconceived
notions and like expectations and dead to death.
So, yeah, I was a little surprised, but I'm also
not. I should have kind of planned for that.
Well, let me ask you this because you were the
one asking most of the questions. What would
you rather see happen with the drug carriers
on the boats? Because I didn't really counter
you. So I will be honest. I am not a nice person
when it comes to that stuff. So my threshold
for proof on that, it's way fucking lower. To
be honest, what I would like to happen, because
I know we have the technology, is I'd really
like to use drones a lot more, maybe use a lot
more smaller boats out there, establish a perimeter,
maybe an extra 500 or 1 ,000 miles outside of
our border with a bunch of smaller boats that
have drones with a lot of surveillance. Basically
use those drones to approach those boats and
say, hey, if you cross this line in the next
30 or 50 nautical miles, you will be fired upon.
I think notification might be a really big thing
where it's like, hey, this is illegal. You shouldn't
be doing this. If you keep doing this, you're
going to go kaboom. And if they do not acknowledge
or ignore that order, then you can bring a ship
out or bring another bigger drone out with have
some boom boom and deal with the situation or
even aircraft, whatever. I have no problem as
well using aircraft in a more public display.
Shall I say, that's why I wish we had, I know
aircraft carriers are really expensive, but I
wish we had like we had more world war two where
a lot of like the smaller aircraft carriers that
even just carried like a few and having like
a large fleet of like aircraft carriers that
have maybe eight or 10, but establishing them
as like a perimeter around the country. I know
that would be expensive, but honestly we have
the budget for it. We spend a shit ton of money.
If you make them all off, if you make them all
drone boat, it's not as bad. Now let me, let
me pose another suggestion to you. You know how
a tree shredder works, right? A chipper? Yeah.
Okay. A chipper. Make that into a boat. A boat
chipper. No. And you just deploy that. I just
had a fucking brainwave. So you know how we're
getting rid of those big hovercraft things? Neuron
activation. Yes. It's my turn for the brain cell.
God damn it. No. So you know the big hovercraft
landing boats that we're getting rid of in the
military? Just fucking use those as drone carriers.
Yeah. Because we're getting rid of them. Might
as well. You can put them anywhere. They're fucking
hovercraft. Not anywhere, but, like, effectively
anywhere. Why not use those? Keep them going.
Have them patrolling out there. Expensive to
maintain. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that's true.
You're not wrong there. I don't know. There's
got to be a way of doing it. But I would just
like us to implement drone technology more for
something like that. Especially when I'll be
honest with you, I am more than happy to spend
$5 ,000 or $10 ,000 on a drone to blow up one
of those boats. Just to go, yeah, it's 50 miles
over the line. We've told them three times. Kaboom.
Yeah. When you think about it, you can take a
commercial off the drone shelf and turn a $500
to $2 ,000 piece of technology and render up
to a couple million dollar piece of equipment
useless with one of those. Oh, yeah. if it's
done right so come on how many years ago was
it that they banned the ps3 from being used and
that was just because they included ukraine is
using modified steam decks right now to control
their drones that's wild so i mean it's it's
not hard no i mean for layman it's hard but you
got the right know -how i i feel like maybe the
method i'm describing would be far more palatable
to people where it would seem more compassionate.
And I feel like that's the big problem. That
being said, if I was a dictator or a ruler, there
would be no warning. It would just be, you cross
this line, I put buoys out in the water, you
cross the line, and suddenly, miraculously, 50
feet past that line, you cease to exist. It would
just be a hard no. Look, mommy, there's a new
bag of white powder that just washed up on shore.
Honestly, I feel like I'd be the asshole. And
I take all the drugs from them and resell it
to them full of other drugs that kills the people
in the cartel. I would absolutely just use biological
warfare against them. You know, I, I cast non
magic missile. I just want to watch fireballs,
but yes, but no, I, it's besides that, what the
hell else are you going to do? You know? Yeah.
I mean, uh, There's really only so much you can
do without taking out the supply chain overall.
Yeah. And as long as there is an obscene amount
of money in play, you know. Or. Yes, tungsten
rod. Hear me out. We just legalize a lot of drugs
in the U .S. and don't allow any imports and
just move all manufacturing over here and have
them legalized and regulated. Make it cheap.
Yeah. Well, then we can make our own casino with
blackjack and hookers. Yes, Bender. Yes. Yes,
that's the goal. You know, I'm just saying, we
have enough fucking land. We have enough. We
need jobs anyway. We need manufacturing. Like,
as it is, almost all of our medications are made
overseas anyway. Why'd you say fuck it? Just
bring it all back to the US. Well, I get high
with something Chinese made when you can get
an American brand and know that you won't die
the first time you take it. I want to snort dubby
powder now. Oh, my God. That was random. Ultimate
brand support. Oh, my God. You know, if you start
showing up to shows with some white powder on
your nose, act a little fucking. It's blue. It's
blue. So you're snorting Smurf. Sorry. Fair enough.
Yes. Oh, no. Stuff in Ohio hit pretty hard. Those
are the edibles from hell. Jesus. That dude said,
these are a very good curator. These are very
good. As in lying. No, it hit harder than Will
Smith. So, all right. Well, guys, I think a little
shorter than we intended. Still a good conversation
on this one tonight. Something different, you
know. Before we get into anything that's too
spicy politically. Politically heavy, yeah. Which,
just a heads up, we will be touching some stuff
that's going to be kind of later on in the season.
We're just going to have to make sure that the
wording and the phrasing that we use is appropriate
because... The internet likes to really nitpick
your shit and just, you know, really particular.
So we're still working on certain words and phrasing
to describe certain things because still got
to make it somewhat advertiser friendly. You
know, it's still somewhat friendly to watch.
Do you want to have someone listen to this in
the car driving down the road and listen to something
like completely out of context being like, what
the fuck? You know? Yeah. So the best. Are you
kidding me? While it's not related to the politics
stuff, there's another podcast I listen to. And
at one point, they were discussing the existence
of Bigfoot erotica. And they were reading this
out on the podcast. And there was a listener
who had stepped away from his van while this
was going. and he left the podcast running with
his van locked up and I guess he had the volume
way the fuck up the reading of this thing the
podcast host was like going into it making all
the fucking noises and shit and he comes back
out to his van and there was a crowd around the
van and it's a work van Are they angry or are
they cheering? They're laughing their asses off,
standing there in total disbelief, listening
to this story about a Bigfoot and a dude because
it was like homoerotic Bigfoot erotica. Oh, my
God. And it was just like. That just sounds like
someone that's too scared to come out of the
closet. Maybe. Or out of the woods. It was exceedingly
descriptive. and i mean he just going off you
know and i like the guy's like i had to make
a choice do i just walk back to my van or walk
away from it and call it stolen sorry guys that's
me That was not the topic of discussion today,
guys. Trust me. That person became a man when
they were watching Star Wars. I could never think
of Chewbacca any different. So, you know, two
quick questions on Chewbacca. One, does Chewbacca
have two nips, or does he have, like, the line
just like a dog? And does Chewbacca have a regular
wiener, or does he have, like, one of those Red
Rocket deals like a dog? Oh, my God. It's like
you were just waiting to ask this. How often
do you think about Chewbacca's wiener? None.
It just hit me. I don't know. Well, it hit you
really quick. That's concerning. See, you're
assuming it's not like a Ducks. It's not like
a corkscrew one. That's what you're assuming.
It's a spin me right round, baby. That's why
the Wookiees have that built in. So you can hear
it in stereo. It's like going around. It's like
a rotary cabinet. Jesus Christ. Oh, Jesus. I
just saw a picture AI generated, of course. A
shaved Wookiee. Looks like an ape -sized Sphinx
cat. You know, some weird woman would have that
as a pet. There's a white woman out there somewhere
being like, ah, yes. A 500 -pound Sphinx cat.
And we can't paper train it, so we're going to
put a tapey on it. Oh, no. I shall call it Mr.
Bigglesworth. You have been a bad rookie, Mr.
Bigglesworth. The fleshy clap. Oh, yeah, and
it's like that character from Zootopia where
he's got the deep voice, but he looks like a
little baby with the sucker in it. What? You
kiss me tomorrow, I'm going to smack you in the
face. Pineapple juice! Who? I'm so confused that
there is that somebody makes that erotica. I
think there was only one issue produced. I'm
surprised. I'm confused now. You're confused.
so what's the people we talk with what trauma
what's the internet rule like rule 43 or something
like that if it exists 34 yeah 34 if it exists
there's porn of it so bigfoot exists ergo there
is porn there's a bigfoot i know i've mentioned
this before but what combination of trauma gets
you to chewy or fucking wookie porn What trauma
gets you to that one? I don't know, but check
your inbox later. Fuck you. No, don't you dare.
Don't you dare. No. I know where you live, motherfucker.
It's a long -ass drive. To get you there is going
to be, obviously, a lot of medication and a therapy
bill that's going to be astronomical. How as
a therapist, how do you take that seriously?
I have a pretty good poker face when someone
says, I just can't. stop jacking off to to wookie
porn i just can't do like how how how do you
deal with that there's no amount of training
or education that can prepare you for that moment
when that client looks like a regular normal
fucking person sits down takes a deep breath
goes wookie porn i can't stop thinking about
wookies there's no there's no It's probably the
same therapist that has to deal with the person
that comes in and goes, you know what? I like
to eat poop. They'd rather take the poop eater.
Yeah. They probably would. Yeah. I also didn't
know that was a thing. That's a new... Oh, yeah.
That's a new horror for you. The Pickle Rick
episode of Rick and Morty. The therapist was
first dealing with The one teacher who eats poop.
I didn't remember that part. Yeah, that's the
joke. That was the joke, because people do weird
shit. Jesus. The moment you go behind someone's
closed door, you find out a lot about them, and
sometimes it is not good. I thought the woman
that was eating couches was bad enough, but...
No. Oh, no, buddy. Oh, it gets worse. I watched
a dude drink half a gallon of bleach just to
get out of an arrest. Joke's on him. We still
arrested him. Yeah, he just gets arrested in
the hospital. That's right. But I found out what
a stomach bile inside your stomach looked like
all mixed with bleach. It's disgusting. I don't
recommend. So Gibbs, you can add the Wookiee
porn to your search history of porn and depression.
Fuck you, no. I never searched that. I don't
know why it was there. Still to this day. Every
once in a while that pops in my head going, I
wonder why that was even in that search bar.
I could even tell you. Oh, good times. When you
see an industrial -sized sex swing in someone's
bedroom, yeah, it's time to go. no no so okay
i i have the plans to make them and i i want
to make some of those beds that have like the
the secret uh handcuff points and chain points
and the little uh the the stockade footboard
yeah they make clip -ons you can clip those on
to your bed frame that's not a get no i want
to go full board make them industrial grade oh
fair fair yeah like i was just describing where
It was a large person who decided they had to
have a sex queen in the room. It had big chains.
Yeah. Well, I was not comfortable. I, I am familiar
with some people who could use industrial beds
because they like to break them. Hey, so some
industrial beds could be fun. That's why, especially
when there's built in accoutrements. That's why
I have our lessons at the third one. We had learned
that, you know, maybe. Maybe this is necessary.
I wasn't trying to point out. I have no shame.
It was worth it. Let me tell you. You can go
to a hardware store and add attachments yourself.
If you need a few C -clamps for your bed every
once in a while, it's fine. It's okay. Get them
cheap at Harbor Freight, too. They're worth it.
Oh, yeah. So now that we've traumatized everybody
and lost half our listening base, I think we
can call it for the night. I don't know. I think,
you know, Wookiee Point would have really had
a lot of listening retention right there. That's
going to be a tagline on this one. AI is going
to look at that and be like, you know, politics,
drugs, cartels, Wookiee Point. What the fuck?
Oh, geez. Possible band invader monitoring. Yeah.
Get rid of them. Okay. So, but we can, uh, we
can call it there and, uh, thank you guys again
for listening. Um, again, we'll drop the link
for Debbie in the, uh, show description as well
as the. Link for the store there. We're going
to have our own merch store coming out soon because
apparently that's a thing that needs to happen.
I would like to. Everybody does. Yeah. I just
want to be able to own my own shirt. Fuck yeah.
Well, I already contacted a company about the
jerseys for next year. Nice. Nice. I have a buddy
of mine that does it for his fantasy league.
At least us three should be able to get our own
custom jerseys. Oh, nice. Once I get some pricing,
that's what I'm waiting for. We need those for
the live show. Yes. Well, yeah. But yeah, I do
want to start in and get stickers to promote
the show a little bit more too. So those will
come out first. Yes. And I think we're going
to do something akin to like a Patreon or like
a buy me a coffee type link. And if anybody signs
up to that or donates, they're going to get a
sticker sent out to them. Yes. So it'll be something
along those lines. And we'll give them a shout
out on the show. Oh, yeah. Something just to
kind of thank people for the support. Jersey
taglines. Yeah, that is. WTF is wrong with these
people. That's pretty good, too. Yeah. But, yeah,
we'll get to work on some merch stuff and a few
other things. Especially going into the holidays.
So now we'll all have some days off. Yes. So,
yeah. Thanks again for hanging out, guys. Hope
you've enjoyed the show and are not too traumatized
by the Wookiee porn. Remember, kids, it's not
trauma if it's consensual. That's true. That's
right. So, we'll catch you all again next time.
And we love you. Thank you.