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the implications of time travel on society. This
is something that we have been wanting to do
for, oh my God, so long. This was in our first
season to do, and we wanted to hold off on doing
it until we had the time to get it right and
do it well. So. We're going to go down a few
different routes and we're going to cover a few
different levels of this. Everything from Time
Cop, Futurama, and even the Marvel Cinematic
Universe, the multiverse, because they're all
relevant. They all kind of touch tips on a lot
of things and they bring up a lot of different
viewpoints. So Gibbs, you were talking about
something the other day that. Or maybe it was
Gibbles. I don't remember. That had. Oh, it was
Back to the Future. So Gibbles. It was Gibbles.
Yes. Yeah, that would be me. Yeah. Yep. You were
saying that Back to the Future is more along
the lines of the MCU. Well, it depends on how
you looked at it. Because not from. The fact
of how they showed the timeline for like, you
know, the sacred timeline. And then you get the
explanation back to the future of when they're
back in the 80s and they're trying to get back
to the present. And, you know, they show that
just in the same way, you have the main timeline
going and then you have branches. And if you
end up in one of those branches, of course, now
good luck getting back to the present where you
were starting because you changed something in
the past. So now that branch is created. okay
that's what i was saying they were more similar
so yeah i i get what you're saying so that's
like the the prime timeline of the sacred timeline
okay to me that still seems like multiverse theory
where whatever you do there just creates a different
shoot and it's no longer the the sacred timeline
that you're in it's going to be a different universe
altogether so And that's not unlike Rick and
Morty, which is another series that we're going
to talk about because that also has some very
unique concepts. But one issue with time travel,
and it's probably one of the more important ones,
so we wanted to bring it up first, the grandfather
paradox, and that's causality. grandparents from
meeting how could you have been born to travel
back in time in the first place now there is
one caveat as seen in futurama if you accidentally
kill the man that you once knew was your grandfather
sleep with the person who would have been your
grandmother because since that's no longer going
to happen and you're just fucked up enough of
a person to do it for science and end up becoming
your own grandfather in the process So there
is that option, and I don't know that that is
something that happens. Time may want to happen,
and that's a theory that we'll talk about later,
but you've got to be very stupid, very fucked
up, and very depraved to go down that rabbit
hole. Gibbs, you looked like you had a thought.
Well, I do have a couple of different thoughts
with this. It really depends on what, man, I
guess, okay, okay, to get into it. It's one of
those things where it really does depend on if
a multiversal theory, number one, is even possible,
because we don't have any evidence of that. There
is no way of describing that or even knowing
if that's true. So if that is true. Then that's
something we could we could go down that rabbit
hole. But in terms of making it so that that
is possible, I would figure this is something
that would have been documented before. If it's
something that theoretically could happen, let's
just say that you could go back in time and alter
history. That's something that I think we would
have seen discrepancies in history because in
order for that to be physically possible, it
would have happened in the future and it would
have affected now. because we're at such a critical
point in our development so it's one of those
things where sure it's technically possible but
i think we would have seen it or at least we've
seen evidence of it at this point well so that
that brings up a thing that we're going to talk
about later with time travel if if someone goes
in and starts like snipping little things yeah
would we ever notice it would those changes affect
time in a manner that we would In reality, notice.
Since the invention of the internet, yes. But
wouldn't it affect everything after the change?
No, because it's so well documented. But wouldn't
it affect the documentation? Not always. Then
the assumption would be is that you would have
to alter people's memories. Effectively, that
those memories would never happen. But because
you can't go back in time and replace those memories.
That's why I think the Mandela effect, people
have argued that's proof of the existence of
time travel. That's fair. I like that. It's possible,
I guess, but come on. Let's be real. If there
was a government that figured out a way to time
travel, I don't think any of the shit from the
last 15, 20 years would have been happening.
I don't think that would have been allowed at
all. Or the opposite. Maybe it happened because
of time travelers. Maybe they did it to keep
other things from happening. That's an even worse
scenario, honestly. Jesus Christ. Why does it
just always devolve back into AI is going to
doom us? Because AI is going to be the thing
that figures out time travel. Oh, you know it.
You know it, 100%. That's why Harambe had to
die, I guess. Yep, it all circles back to Harambe.
Dicks out for Harambe, gentlemen. We're all under
a desk. The camera can never see. Fair. So the
Novikov self -consistency principle is something
that dictates everything a time traveler does
must already be a part of the historical timeline.
Therefore, changes are impossible. So you cannot
make a change to the timeline because that change
was supposed to be made. So you were supposed
to go back and make that change. Ergo, you didn't
change anything. But that's assuming multiversal
theory isn't a reality. Correct. That's assuming
a prime timeline. I guess multiversal theory
does hinge on the idea of free thought and will.
So it's one of those things where if you don't
believe humans have free thought and will and
can change, then technically multiversal theory
doesn't have to exist. in a world where at least
i guess i go from the perspective of you do have
free thought and will and you can make your own
decisions regardless of the environment around
you and past history so therefore i guess multiversal
theory does have to exist but boy to be able
to say that oh yeah you can go back in time and
change anything that that's all part of it i
don't know i i don't think i don't think there's
any way to account for that Yeah. I don't think
that there's any way you could mathematically,
scientifically know. Unless unless, you know,
there's some sort of hitman out there that's
that's dropping the Hollywood elites by like
left and right out of nowhere. You know that
the Clintons have a time traveling machine and
that's why people just suddenly end up dead.
Right. I don't know. Maybe they figured it out.
One. Yeah. So. There's the issue of meeting yourself,
the temporal clones. And the issue comes into
the time cop rule. If two versions of the same
matter, you being from timeline one and you from
timeline two, occupy the same space, they may
annihilate each other. That's quantum entanglement.
Or a version of quantum entanglement. Or what
if you just turn into some weird goo? Yeah, that's
another possibility. So the existential crisis
on that one is going to be, what is the legal
or moral status of a past self? If you meet your
10 or 15 -year -old self, do you have a right
to intervene in their or your life or destiny?
Yes. You know, it's red pill, blue pill. Do you
have the right to go back and say, hey, here's
information that will drastically alter? Your
our life. And I need you to do something with
this information. I mean, it's just yourself.
So, yeah. Well, even even if let's just say theoretically
went back to the 1920s and gave them like nuclear
power 30, 40 years before it was able. You don't
know whether morality like the moral clause of
it's going to be good or bad. You can't assign
that in terms of like if you look at a timeline.
There are almost. OK, I don't want people to
take this out of context because I need people
to understand the context of the discussion.
Technically, morality does not exist. We talk
about a timeline of events with things just happening.
Therefore, if you get people, let's just say
technology or information, there is no like right
or wrong. There is no like that's morally good
or not good. It's what they do with that information
that matters. So. You could theoretically give
yourself any information you want. It's not necessarily
a morally good or bad thing. Should you? Depends.
You know, like put it this way. I'm pretty sure
a lot of people would really appreciate it if
like, you know, August of 2001, you kind of told
them, hey, you know, stay the fuck away from
the Twin Towers. That would probably be nice.
People would say, thank you. I appreciate that.
You know, not that the government already know,
but that's beside the point. Or counter to that.
you have someone that you really don't like and
you arrange a meeting at the top of that tower
on on that day yeah it's weird for some reason
every person at the towers was this guy called
jeffrey epstein i don't know why it's just magically
i don't know how it's crazy yeah that was exactly
my very first thought as soon as you mentioned
i'm like man jeffrey he's going upstairs jeffrey
and and and uh hillary and bill you know all
three of them Yeah, maybe some Bill Cosby to
round it out. Yeah, Bill Cosby and Diddy. They're
all having a weird Diddy party at the top of
the tower. We don't know why. That's weird. There's
five people and five tons of baby oil at the
top of the Twin Towers. I don't know why. Yeah,
the planes wouldn't crash. They'd just slip right
on through. What if you had to be a family guy
skit of a plane going through the tower? I was
just like, just scooch it out of here. Just,
you know, just wiggling through. So here's a
question for you guys and listeners too. If you
could give your past self winning lottery numbers,
would that create wealth or simply transfer it
from someone else causing an economic ripple
effect? The winnings that someone obtained may
have been supposed to go towards the development
of some mega technology that would have revolutionized
the world. Those winnings instead ended up in
your bank account. So maybe somebody that was,
you know, like an Elon Musk level of developer
was supposed to win that. But instead, you made
yourself win it. And that life changing technology
was never developed. So besides the fact that
half the time the lotteries are rigged as it
is, and that happens a lot. California. The idea
that you're. Yeah. The idea that anybody that's
actually smart enough. to do something like that
would win the lottery? Not likely. You're more
likely going to be taking the money out of somebody
that has none, that's devoted a stupid amount
of cash trying to win that. And if nothing else,
it depends on the lottery you're talking about.
Because if you're talking like Powerball and
Mega Millions, they're just not going to get
as much. Right. Well, okay, so that's just like
an example of it. What about other market manipulation
cause and effect instances? Could have butterfly
effect consequences. You know what, though? If
you're smart, what you do is you invest in stuff
way early on when they're like penny stocks,
and you just basically make a list, and that
way no one will ever know. No one's affected.
No one will understand. Nobody will know that
you bought an Amazon at $5 a share, and you sell
it. What is it up to now? Like thousands, tens
of thousands, whatever? Or same thing with Apple,
Bitcoin. dogecoin you know if you did it early
enough you did it smart you could do it so no
one's negatively affected or adversely affected
especially we do something smart like you make
an llc or a trust you make an investment llc
with that a company a shell company everything
else that way no one has to know who you are
no one has to know where the money's going they
just kind of keep it on the down low but i i
do agree that technically there is that chance
that oh yeah you could be theoretically pulling
money from someone else in the system that could
be doing good with it But if you do it in a smart
way, it doesn't have to be. Just because you're
making money doesn't mean you take money away
from somebody else. That's not the case. Now,
you bring up Bitcoin. That brings up something.
There are a limited amount of Bitcoin in circulation.
If you go too big, because back in the day, Bitcoin
was practically worthless. Could you destabilize
the currency early on and prevent Bitcoin from
rising to where it's at? I don't think so. Because
think about this. But you don't need to buy that
many of them. Like, think about this. Like, imagine
if you bought 10 ,000 Bitcoin when they were
like a nickel each and just sat on them. When
they were first out there, 10 ,000 wasn't like
a big share of all of them. Even if you bought
1 ,000 of them and just waited until they hit
what hit like 120 ,000 the other day each. That's
there you go. Last month. Yeah. Yeah. There you
go. That is generational wealth created by buying
a tenth of a tenth of a tenth of all of them
that were created and available at that time.
Like it's not like an office space. You get the
rounded up. Yeah, it's like office space. You
just round up the penny. Yeah, you know, it's
you take and take that same thing as well. There's
so many other ones like Ethereum, Doge and a
few other ones that if you had bought an early
enough on and just did that same process by the
time like for instance, if it's right now 2025
and you just had sold all that Bitcoin at a good
high like that, you then have so much capital
at that point. You can then keep doing whatever
you want. But if Before then, if you had been
investing in other stuff as well, hey, $1 ,000
there, $500 there, $300 there, whatever, you'd
be all set and no one would know. It's not like
you have to buy a bunch of capital of it. It's
not like you have to buy Microsoft in like 1991
and buy like 30 % of it for $10 ,000. That's
not, you know what I mean? Don't get me wrong.
If you can do that, do that. If you somehow can
manage to do that, please. Yeah. Other commodities
and goods too. Oil, gold, silver, you know. Yeah.
But yeah, that kind of leads us into the multiverse
and timeline mechanics, the MCU and Rick and
Morty model. The split timeline branching model
is what is used in the MCU. So when a person
makes a significant change in the past, it doesn't
alter their original future. It just creates
a brand new alternate reality or a branch timeline.
uh the original timeline remains intact that's
why it is the sacred timeline it can never be
changed well uh maybe it's the case of it's i
guess maybe we look at it's not that it's never
changed is that that is the best reference you
have that's like your reference timeline because
that's your that's your original save point for
all the changes that get made yes because it
does get change it's just that change the change
is supposed to happen with that was everything
else is a change that was altered externally
yeah think think of it as a tree that's the main
trunk yeah any change that gets made to the the
sacred timeline the main timeline that's where
the branch begins i'm trying to make sure we
flesh this out for people that have not seen
loki are not familiar yeah so if you go back
in time you can go back to any point in the main
timeline And then you can make a change there
and it creates a new reality from that point
on the main timeline. Right. And the catch there
to understand is it doesn't matter the size of
the change. It is basically any change from that
main timeline dictates a branch reality. And
then from there, you can make further changes
and make further branches. It could theoretically
go into an infinium, you know, infinite amount
of branches theoretically. So just so people
are aware of what we're talking about. Yeah.
Time is fun. It will break your brain. The burden
of responsibility falls on the time traveler
because the time traveler is no longer just responsible
for their own history, but for the creation and
potentially destruction of entire parallel universes.
It may require the formation of temporal police,
much like the TVA and Loki, to prune or manage
these branching realities. If there are such
minor alterations that it actually has no major
impact, does that reality need to exist? Or could
it just pollute the time -space continuum, essentially,
of timelines? So let me give you something that'll
really bake your noodle. Yes, do it. If you create
a timeline. Bake me, daddy. I don't like how
you said that. We're going to ignore that one.
Imagine if you create a timeline with the sole
purpose of stealing their resources. Take it
back to your timeline and then destroy it. Did
anyone ever suffer? It never existed. No suffering
ever happened. Theoretically, hear me out with
this. If you were smart and you were able to
create parallel timelines, you can go there.
Theoretically, you can go to an infinite amount
of Fort Knox's, steal an infinite amount of gold,
come back, and then just say, yes, somehow I'm
the gold king. Somehow I have an entire... fucking
Mount Everest of gold, and you can't have it.
But then the question is going to remain, when
you destroy that reality, are you destroying
it at the moment that you took the gold, or are
you destroying it at the moment of its creation?
Because I would think if you're destroying it
at the time of creation, that negates the whole
idea that whatever you got from that timeline,
since it no longer exists, I would imagine anything
from that timeline would no longer exist. But
it now exists in your timeline, because you brought
it back to yours. Well, now you're creating a
paradox. Because if that timeline never existed,
because now you've destroyed it and it's never
existed, how could you have those things? So
here's my big question to you. And I know you
weren't prepared for this one, but this is a
segue that I need to make. Have we confirmed
whether black holes can destroy matter? Because
here's my argument. because i know this has been
up in the air if we can destroy matter that means
we can bring in matter to the universe we can
add to it so theoretically if you can pull from
another universe into ours that would also prove
the fact that with black holes i know they can
take in matter and it supposedly is destroyed
so that at least will allow both to happen because
i would understand at the same time you but i
was going to say you also get hawking radiation
which is energy that is being shot out from the
black hole right but is it equivalent to the
energy of what's going in that i don't that's
yeah that's the ultimate question because it
would be one thing if we were able to measure
one for one that all the matter going into a
black hole and then all of it coming out was
one to one we could say well then theoretically
i guess in the universe you can't really destroy
matter but because technically it seems like
we can then i mean that bears some credence to
we might be able to pull matter into from another
universe So yeah, the law of conservation of
energy, it can either be created nor destroyed,
only converted. So theoretically, if you're bringing
matter, i .e. energy, from one universe into
the other, that's only a transference. So again,
theoretically, yes, that could be done. Possibly.
That'd be one for a Neil deGrasse Tyson level
person. Yeah. Somebody at Neil deGrasse Tyson
and send him that segment of the podcast. But
social implications of infinite realities, just
like you were talking about bringing resources,
you could also have something like a refugee
crisis. Could people from a collapsing or undesirable
alternate timeline travel to a better main timeline,
creating a galactic refugee crisis? No. Oh, like
the, what was it in South Park with that reference?
The goo? Yes. The goobs or whatever they were
called. The goo backs. I remember that one. The
goo backs. Yes. Get back in the pool! Get back
in the pool! Yeah. So you've got something like
that, or like in Rick and Morty, when Rick fucked
up the serum with Morty and turned everybody
into the Cronenbergs. Oh, yes. Cronenberg everybody.
Oh, my God. So, you know, that's a possibility.
Poor Jerry. Poor Jerry, I know, right? Although
that Jerry did become a badass. Yeah. Well, yeah.
After everybody's either dead or gone now. Yeah.
So the moral dilemma question for that, if you
can jump a timeline where your deceased loved
one is still alive, have you truly achieved happiness
or are you just using a copy? Again, like in
Rick and Morty where he lost his family and just
went to a different reality where they're still
alive. It's a matter of perspective. His Morty
is not his original Morty. Doesn't matter. Well,
does physics and everything still work the same?
Yeah, but the reality they're currently in, they
say Parmesan weird. They pronounce it Parmesian.
Oh, yeah, that's true. But that was like the
only major change. So they were just like, screw
it. It works. I'd have to say it's all essentially
the same. It's just whether your brain can handle
the adjustment. The thing is, is it even adjustment
at that point? Because if 99 .999 % of all things
are the same, there is no difference. Effectively,
as long as things are close enough, it is what
it is. You don't have to be exact for something
like that to have to be perfect. Because you're
saying like, oh, do they truly achieve happiness
if they're a copy? It's like, well, if it's the
same thing, if it's what they want, it's a matter
of perspective at that point. It's a matter from
their perspective anyway. Right. Yeah. So let
me ask you guys this. If a technology exists
that can be used to travel between universes
or realities in this case, does the concept of
the one true history cease to matter entirely?
Yeah, because there's no such thing as... There's
no such thing as true history. It's just whoever
has the best time travel. That's it. They win.
It's the ultimate I win button. The first nation
to be able to figure out time travel means they're
the only nation that exists. Because whether
it happens now, yesterday, or five years in the
past, in the blink of an eye, you can change
everything. Time becomes meaningless at that
point. That's like back in the 60s when the Russians
got to the moon before the US. It's like... What
am I thinking of that character from Rick and
Morty, Ratcon? That's literally all it is. That's
all it is. Or Bratcon. It was Bratcon, sorry.
Bratcon, yeah. I like the one with the fortune
cookie. Yeah. So, not only with changing history
for the sake of changing history, But you can
begin using time travel for geopolitical and
military implications, literally weaponizing
time and using it for espionage. You could use
time as the ultimate deterrent because a nation
could threaten to erase their enemy's foundation
in history. And I think that goes far beyond
conventional warfare. And it introduces the concept
of temporal warfare, a battle fought literally
through causality. And honestly, I think the
existential threat of being erased from the timeline
would be something more threatening than any
bomb we've ever developed. You could literally
go to sleep one night and then never exist. Well,
number one, it's the most painless way to die,
I would say. Like, you just cease to exist. You're
not wrong. You know, it just it all just never
happened. The thing I would point out is I feel
like you're making the bold assumption that people
are going to follow orders because here's the
thing. You can't be held accountable. You go
back in time. You now have the ability to do
what you want, assuming there's no other counter
agents going after you. So it's the case of how
many people do you think are really going to
follow orders or really going to kind of do what
they want or do what they think is best? So it's
going to be the problem of you're going to have
to hope you got some very, very, very dedicated
people. So whatever cause you have to make sure
they follow out those orders. And then also that's
assuming you know what's going to happen because
then vice versa. What happens? Let's just say
theoretically you kill, you know, the leader
of some country, whatever. But instead of them,
it's someone else. It's a warlord. You come back
and all of a sudden you don't have a country
because they declared war first. So it's a very
weird problem. You have no idea of understand
what the causality would be. So. You're gambling.
And so what would end up happening is there wouldn't
be big changes. There would be small changes.
Things like disabling a country's economic system
by making sure your country buys out their rights
for oil or something like that or rights for
water or other things that way to ensure control
at the current moment, not eradication necessarily.
So it's going to be a lot more sub diffusion,
a lot more. a almost accumulation of like a death
by a thousand cuts rather than killing or destroying
anything it would be ensuring control for the
future but it would take people that are not
always smart enough to understand that but also
restrained enough to not just say oh let's just
drop a nuke here because that's not going to
end the way you think right now major changes
would have far worse consequences probably even
catastrophic than people would realize So the
changes would have to be subtle. But you could
use time travel to deploy weapons before defenses
are established or to evacuate forces after a
critical event or even before one. So that could
save lives before they're ever lost. The real
thing that's going to bake our noodles if AI
gets a hold of time travel. Well, then it's just
Terminator. No, it's far worse than that because
AI might be the only thing that can actually
somewhat reliably figure out what the consequences
would be. Right. So you'd be screwed. We'd be
in a world where before you even commit a crime,
AI knows you're going to commit that crime and
punishes you yesterday for the crime of tomorrow.
Figure that one out. Well, yeah. So that goes
into like minority report. And that's a horrifying
concept, honestly. I haven't seen that one in
a while. I really should re -watch that. That's
worth a re -watch. So one thing you have to really
consider is if you make a big enough change to
the historical timeline, you could literally
have tanks rolling up Market Street in New York
City during World War II. you could change the
advancement of technology and have a lunar colony
in the 80s, but the Earth gets destroyed in the
process. Could be anything. You don't know. Especially,
God forbid, if you travel back in time and you
leave something from your period there, good
God. I mean, there's been several Star Trek episodes
about that. Oh, yeah. That's been... Well, in
Voyager, that's how the chip... of the 20th century
came to be. So that was canon. But if a nation
develops time travel, would a global enforceable
temporal nonproliferation treaty even be possible
given the technology or given that technology
could be hidden in the past? No. No one's going
to agree to it. Everyone's going to shake hands
and say, we're definitely not going to go back
in time. And somehow they sign the paperwork,
and then it's going to say, every other country
but me is somehow going to not go back in time.
And then they're going to look again. It's going
to say, every other country but Russia is not
going to go back in time. And it's just going
to keep rewriting itself because everyone's going
to immediately go back in time. No one's going
to honor it. No way. It's the ultimate genie
out of the box. Same thing with AI. It'll just
be the next thing after AI. Yeah. Now, think
about... applying time travel to uh information
gathering and intelligence oh geez uh you could
have agents jump to the past to record sensitive
political meetings steal technological blueprints
like literally you could have a whole fleet of
planes that would just be done go back get the
blueprints and have them done before the blueprints
are ever conceived I just like to hear the meeting
of like an engineer. So I have an idea. Yes.
And it just shows up. Oh, you mean like this?
Absolutely got this. Hold on. Yeah. I mean, think
about it. And like the computer revolution, you
could single handedly go back and change the
way computers were developed. If you could get
the engineers to understand the technology, that
that's the other hurdle or discover a future
stock market decision that, you know, like we
talked about earlier and, and make somebody a
billionaire or a trillionaire before the term
existed. Yeah. I mean, it's God. using it to
fight crime like you had just mentioned in Minority
Report, law enforcement could use time jumps
to witness crimes being committed, providing
incontrovertible evidence, or even intervening
just before a crime occurs, such as pre -crime
like in Minority Report. That could be dangerous.
It could be very dangerous. And I specifically
wanted to bring this up with you because being
a former cop, Where does that touch? Because
you have prevented a crime from occurring. So
wouldn't they only ever be committed with like
intent or premeditation? They could never actually
be charged with the full crime, correct? Because
it was prevented. It would all depend. Like it
would have to really depend on how they wrote.
the rules on something like that. Cause there's
do it like minority report style. Then I mean,
you're really pushing the envelope of, you know,
constitutional rights and stuff. Cause at that
point you're still, yeah, their intent was to
do something, but until they actually do it,
do we know for certain that's what they were
going to do? Right. Because once that, crime
was prevented the crime was no longer committed
exactly so so are you gonna be you couldn't from
a legal standpoint unless again the rules are
written in such a way that they can still show
like if had we not done this this is what would
have occurred then you know you i guess you could
say you're okay but to sit there and show otherwise
i just don't I just don't understand. I don't
know how that would work, honestly, because of
the fact that if you stop the crime from occurring,
there's no crime. So then how can you charge
somebody? Here's my question to you then. Are
you then responsible for what your temporal others
would do? Because theoretically, with the multiverse
theory, there's a universe in both where you
do and don't do it. So are they just cherry -picking?
Being like, oh, but in this one, he committed
the crime. It's like, yeah, but in all these
other ones, I also didn't. The problem with that
is the minute you find time travel, if multiversal
theory is a reality, you can find anybody committing
any crime you can think of depending on the universe.
It's just how you find it. So congratulations
with that one. If time travel does exist and
multiversal theory exists, reality doesn't exist.
It is what you perceive of it. Nothing matters.
Reality is pure perception. Nothing matters.
Yeah. Don't have. No. There is no lock. You can
break any law you want, but you can also then
not break it. Maybe break it. Then you can just
go to reality where you didn't break it. Exactly.
And is that the same principle idea? If you took
a gun to your head and pulled the trigger, is
there going to be a reality where it didn't work
and you're still alive so then you can tell everybody,
hey, I survived? Theoretically. That's what I
wondered. There would be an entire underground
industry of people basically time hopping. For
basically committing crimes and going to a place
where you didn't commit that crime. Therefore,
you did do the crime and you have the money or
drugs or whatever. Then you go somewhere where
you didn't. So you're innocent. There's no way
to prove it. Yeah. So good luck with that. So
let me ask you this. And by the way, anybody
listening, if you have something you want to
chime in and say, by all means, hit us up on
Discord. Hit us up on the socials. We would love
to hear your input, especially on this topic.
But let me ask you this. Does the perfect ability
to gather intelligence destroy the concept of
sovereignty or privacy? Because if the past is
an open book, does anyone truly have secrets?
Only the secrets that you think to yourself.
Yeah, your mind is the only truly safe place.
And I have a dirty, dirty mind. I think we all
do here. As Gibbs has been finding out for at
least the last year. Just in the podcast. Because
I've been traumatizing him for many years. Yeah,
I was going to say this has been 10 years of
non -consensual trauma. Thank God we got a sponsor
because I need some coffee at some point. Yes.
So. My God. On the less grim side of time travel,
we have time travel as tourism, the vacation
effect. And this is something I think would be
the most popular use of time travel, developing
the economy of temporal tourism. Historical theme
parks could be a thing. Just imagine traveling
to witness the Roman Empire's peak, the Colosseum,
the construction of the pyramids, or a concert
by deceased legends. Imagine being able to go
to Woodstock. If that's your thing. Go see, hell,
Michael Jackson's last performance. Go see Chester
Bennington's last performance. I mean, all the
greats. The tourism thing would be awesome if
you knew for a fact that traveling back in time
doesn't change anything. You can't change nothing.
So you could send groups of people back to go
see something and know that by them going back,
they can't hurt nothing. that'd be perfect then
at that point like it would literally have to
be a some sort of a temporal contract like you
agree to only participate in the event make no
changes leave no trace and then come back you're
there as an observer only you could do some serious
educational work with something like that oh
yeah think about if you could go back to just
document things and and we're going to touch
on a bigger of that here in a little bit. But
documenting the past in 4K, as the kids like
to say, that would be truly one of the biggest
and best uses as far as science goes. But as
far as tourism goes, the industry could generate
massive revenue, but also create an experience
disparity because only the wealthy could really
live in history. Because you know that would
be restricted to the people who could only afford
it. You know, they're not going to let just the
plebes go and experience time travel. Yeah. I
just got to go see when they make that research.
Right. I think the problem is going to be there,
and I do have to agree with Gibbles on that one,
is there's no way to prove that your existence
there, especially a bunch of rich snobs that
kind of used to get what they want, doing what
they want. Do you know how many of them are going
to start doing absolutely stupid shit back in
history? They're going to call us and be like,
oh, let me pull up my iPhone and take a video.
And everybody's going to be like, what is this
magic tablet? What is this bullshit? Yeah, exactly.
Do you know how many of them are going to get
murdered for being witches and wizards? Just
like, wow, Bill Gates went back in time to see
the revolution and he didn't return. And I have
this little note in history that said there was
this weird bald guy that, you know, in 1776 that
walked into somebody holding a magic tablet and
then he was suddenly shot to death. Like it's
honestly, that would be probably the funniest
thing. It's just your history books being updated.
Also be like, oh, look, we just lost blank because
they went back in time and did something really
stupid. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my God. That would be
awesome. You wouldn't be allowed to take modern
technology, I think. No. Or it would have to
be physically attached to you somehow. So there
was a Star Trek episode. The Futurama iPhone.
The problem that would have to be, and I remember
the Star Trek episode about this, where basically
they used a cloaking technology to have their
fortification, like their place, be part of like
a rock face. That was Insurrection. Yeah. Sure.
The insurrection movie. Oh, yeah. I forgot about
that. Yeah, where they're watching from the big
ass rock. But effectively, that's the only way
you'd be able to do it. So you wouldn't be able
to get close to a lot of things. So it's this
problem of you could go and walk around, but
the risk of tampering with the timeline would
be immense. Now, here comes my other question
to you. Do they then say, screw it? And if they
know they're going to go back and have a branch
timeline because they're interfering. Do they
just say, you do what you want, don't die, and
then when you come back, we're just going to
purge the timeline anyway? Because think about
it. That's rough. If it doesn't affect the main
timeline, the prime timeline, whatever you want
to call it, if there really is no, I guess you
could say, no punishment for it because it doesn't
affect your timeline if there is a multiverse,
we can kind of just go back, do whatever, whatever
happens, whatever happens, and then come back.
you know oh my god it'd be gta for real life
it'd be basically yeah we're gonna juice the
romans to what's called an m16 it's like oh my
god oh think about taking back like modern technology
to uh some of the big wars oh yeah oh god you
could you could see how it played out This is
the battle of Theropolis. How many Persians can
an M1 Abrams run over in 35 minutes? Let's go.
Let's set a record here. Sorry, you go. 300 Greeks
at the hot gates. It's now freaking 300 Abrams
coming forward. I feel like if multiverse is
true and you're able to get time travel and it's
cheap enough to where they can do it reliably.
The entire industry, I agree, will be vacationing
on the past, sure. Time travel is tourism, but
what it would really be is rich people screwing
with the timeline to make it the way they want.
And they're going to have their own branch of
timeline. I'm going to call it right now. I really
think there would actually be companies that
would own certain timelines because they prune
them and create them to certain things. So imagine
something like sponsored by Coca -Cola, and it's
the Coca -Cola timeline where they turned every
ocean into Coca -Cola. You could just go up to
the ocean and drink it. I don't know. It would
be something stupid. Or the case of like, hey,
in this timeline, Earth is 10 times the size.
Everybody can buy a mansion in 100 acres and
nobody cares. Or something weird. Yeah, but everybody
would be little people. They'd be short. I'm
sure there'd be a variation. Like that movie
that came out years ago. That's not specific.
Downsizing, I think, is a movie you're referencing.
Downsizing, yeah. There's so many options you
could do with that. Just a question of how far
can you go? Because I agree with the tourism
thing would be cool. But, oh boy, it's going
to be weird. Like, it's going to be weird if
you're an ancient Roman. You're just like, oh,
hi, Mark. And you just keep on walking. Like,
oh, you're here with the kids too? And everyone
around is like, why are they not speaking Italian?
What's going on? Although, keeping on the 300
theme, Xerxes, behold my friend, Bert. Dude.
Yes, you shall fear Gary. I wonder how many ancient
tales are really just us sending an A -10 warthog
back in time. It's not about chariots on fire
with the ancient Egyptians. No, no, it's just
an angry A -10 warthog. That's all it is. That's
all it is. That's no dragon. That's a warthog.
Yes. Yeah. That's the angriest dragon. Greek
fire is just napalm. Oh, let's see where we at.
Temporal crowding, like you were just saying.
What happens when millions of tourists want to
witness the exact same moment, like the signing
of the Declaration of Independence or something
like that? This could lead to a massive temporal
overcrowding and resource strain in the past.
You cannot send 100 ,000 people from our timeline
to the past. to an area that cannot support more
than 5 ,000 people. So might I make an argument
here? Absolutely. There would be an entire industry
for people that can't afford to time travel back
where they hire somebody with a camera on their
shirt to videotape everything first person. And
that way you can watch it. Like an upload. Essentially,
yes. But the idea of like it's a recording. So
you can watch the recording of, hey, they sent,
you know. At this date, they send someone back
to go videotape the Declaration of Independence
signing from this POV. And they'll eventually
do it enough times where they gather from every
angle and use AI to piece it all together. And
all of a sudden, now you can go to a holodeck
or something like that and you can watch it and
physically interact. Yeah. That'd be kind of
cool. I feel like that's the way they'd go for
some of that stuff. So that could bring up a
whole lot of really interesting just... filmed
historical archives, especially to view in VR
or IMAX or something like that, that would be
amazing. History class would not be boring. Yeah.
Well, if anything, at that point, it would become
probably the most studied thing ever. Because
if you were able to get history in the level
of detail and documentation that we have today,
you could spend your entire life just reading
about Greece from 1920 to 1930. If it was all
documented, let alone. History in the previous
stuff because I bet you there's so much now do
we sorry you go I was gonna ask if do we include
the smell no You wouldn't be able to get within
20 miles of fucking Paris let alone Paris like
1800s Oh, yeah, you know city smells when they
knew they were near it They do it. There's only
like a four -hour walk when they could start
to smell it like yeah, it's fucking bad Yep That's
so gross. So let me ask you this. The ethics
of observation, would it be ethical to observe
or even photograph historical human suffering,
wars, plagues, poverty, as a form of entertainment?
We already do that. Does the act of observation
without intervention become morally culpable?
Because if you're going back to see these events,
You would literally be placing yourself in the
moments of an event that you knew you could do
something about. But as a time tourist, you are
not able to act. I mean, it's the thing of like
it. Again, all this hinges on multiversal theory.
If multiversal theory does not exist and your
actions have consequences in your timeline. Yeah,
that might be a fucking problem. If you're in
the multiversal theory where if you interact
and it doesn't matter, then sure, you can help
out, but then you're risking being discovered
and having all sorts of consequences you can't
prepare for. But if it's a situation where theoretically
you can hop back to the same timeline and then
hop forward again, then you really can't touch
anything because you have no idea. You have no
clue. Yeah. So let me ask this. Two questions
I want to ask. If time tourism became widely
available, would it devalue real present -day
historical sites and museums? I don't think so.
It would be, again, in how you would disseminate
the information and imagery to people that couldn't
necessarily travel back in time. Because A, you
can't afford it, or B, there's not enough time.
Well, I would say not enough of the technology
to kind of go around and set it up where anybody
could go. So you think like take a current historical
site and set up displays where someone has gone
back to that site and recorded what happened
there. You could set up like the live feed version.
So they could see what it really was like. Exactly.
Yeah. Instead of just seeing the ruins. Right.
You know, like if you go to a historical battlefield
like Antietam. Yes. You know, you send somebody
back there to record the battle of Antietam and
then you put it up on a display there so that
when people go to the battlefields, they can
see the actual battle. Yes. Right. which would
be terrible. And then they discover that, oh,
my God, that dude only had one testicle. If you
go back in time and that's what you're looking
to inspect, I have so many more questions. Right.
It's just more the fact that it all depends on
who gets access to the information and depends
on what you find. Because I think a lot of people
would be surprised to find out that the history
that we know or that we think we know. is very
incomplete or very slanted and swayed. Edited.
So you would have a lot of people that are going
to find out things that are going to test everything
that they knew or they thought they knew. I think
there would be a lot of people having really
riots over the finding out of true historical
context for things. especially when people used
to make decisions based off things that were
very incomplete with information. So you're going
to have a lot of these issues. Number two, I
think you can keep the original monuments and
everything to give you context. It's like, hey,
before we could see about the whole picture,
this is what we thought. And then you can build
next to it or around or even use that as context.
So this is what we know now that we can travel
back and see these events. And they could use
them as example of, hey, this is the power of
being. of time travel being able to be used appropriately.
The problem I see is because obviously this is
going to be something that's very expensive and
very limited for a long time. I don't think they
would use it honestly. I feel like they'd say
they sent someone back in time, they'd use AI
to doctor up any images or anything that they
want, come back and say, oh, it's actually this.
This is somehow conveniently exactly what I told
you it was and exactly what it will always be.
Because we're the government. We're here to help.
Yeah. I think that's the biggest problem because
no one privately is going to have access to time
travel for eons after it's invented. So one thing
that kind of you were touching on, like what
we used to believe and what we now know, the
monuments that we have, that would be kind of
interesting to have. like the old world monument
next to the new like lizard people monument because
we used to believe it was people running the
world. Now we know, we now know it's the lizard
people that run everything. So that would be
kind of cool. Yes. But so here's a question for
the listeners and even you guys. I put this in
here to find out if you could travel to a historical
time or event on a vacation, where slash when
would you go? gibbs let's let's start with you
oh well if i could travel anywhere oh this is
tough yeah oh man there's so many good options
oh okay now the only thing is is you have to
you know depends on where we're going and what
the setup is because observation i want to go
back and observation only yes But, again, it
would also depend on what you're able to bring
with you, because you couldn't go back to, like,
say, the Jurassic period or something, because
the oxygen levels, CO2 levels and all that is
different than it is now. The assumption would
be it would have to be in, like, recent history,
like, within the last 10 ,000 years, you know?
Yeah. Yeah, I was going to say, because me, I
would love to be able to see, like, the beginning
of the Egyptian empire. See how that got started.
I have a very controversial answer on this one.
Okay, go. I want to see what happened at Bohemian
Grove. I want to know. I want to see. I need
to know what's happening. Oh, Jesus. That's my
first thought. My second thought was honestly,
do you know how cool it may be to go to an ancient
Roman beach? Oh, yeah. And just hang out for
a day. Hell yeah. Just walk around and be there
amongst the people. Just not say a fucking word.
Just, just look, just look around, look and see
how people live, stuff like that. And just kind
of go home. Just be like, wow, I really appreciate
plumbing and also hygiene products. Oh my God.
Yeah. Well, if you're in the Roman era, they
had pretty good plumbing. Oh yeah. Deodorant.
Not so much, but they did have good plumbing.
Don't, don't use the toothpaste. Yeah. Can I,
can I make a side note? Don't drink from the,
yes. Can, can we find a way? if there is time
travel, to bring our mutual friend that's like
a fucking mountain back in time to where we're
all like five foot four and watch them shit themselves.
We're all relatively good size so we can go,
and then here's our friend and he's just luring
over them. Even the stuff of legends. He knows
who he is in the Discord. He knows. Oh yeah,
he does. God. So I would like to go to some places
like the Roswell crash site. Oh, okay. I would
like to see what really happened there. I would
like to find out, Pip, someone that gets anally
interrogated. That's why you're going. Don't
threaten me with a good time. There's a come
button in there. I would like to find out some
things, just like some of the more controversial
things in history. You know, go see, as much
as I hate to say it, the JFK assassination. Yeah.
So you'd be the jackass with binoculars going,
all right, I'm ready. You'd be the one that built
an opposite from it, just watching Lee Harvey
Oswald going, all right. Well, no, I want to
watch The Driver. Oh, fair. Because that video
that came out not long ago. shows the driver
turning around and possibly, like, popping one
off from his left hand. So... Honestly, with
today's modern, like, recording equipment and
zoom in, imagine being able to get, like, the
first perspective on something that no one else
has thought of. Uh -huh. You could re -Zapruder
the Zapruder film. English. Yes, that was a tongue
twister. So, but yeah, if you're listening to
this and you have a historical place that you
would be interested to go to, we would love to
hear that. I don't recommend the Twin Towers
at 9 -11. I don't recommend that one. No. That's
a short day. No. I don't recommend it. No. Unless
you're that one asshole that comes over like
a parachute. Do a flip. Sorry, I know that's
really offensive. He's doing a backflip for Jesus
at that point. Or go back to like 2015 and stop
that stupid kid from falling in the gorilla enclosure.
Oh, my God. We got to save Harambe's life. Yep.
If we can do it. That would be the funniest no
-context thing imaginable. Just this portal opens
up. Three officers run in there, dressed in uniforms
you've never seen, throwing this kid completely
out of the gorilla exhibit, going, we need to
save him. And he just grabs his gorilla, disappears,
just with the kids at the zoo going, what? Mother
standard. What just happened? Why is my baby
just physically launched out of the... Gorilla
exhibit. I mean, I appreciate that response.
Eat the child. That's the best police response
I've ever seen in my life. I mean, the kid just
jumped in like three seconds ago, and you already
got thrown out. The gorilla is now gone, but
yeah, the kid's alive. God. There's so many things
you could see with time travel. It would also
be so much fun. Yes. Oh, God, yeah. The problem
is the amount of trouble we'd all get up to.
people like us getting a hold of it taking technology
back to like a an island somewhere and setting
up like an impenetrable pirate fortress fuck
yes see here's the thing i would be the pirate
of the high seas in the 17th century that's the
problem i would embrace it with all take a fucking
modern aircraft carrier back to the like the
1600s and just sail the seas what are they gonna
do knowing that maybe just take like A treasure
trove of modern firearms. And just have like
books on how to do it. And just be like. Alright
so I own this island and everything on it now.
And you're going to build these for me. And if
you don't like it. I can solve the problem. I'll
tell you. You can be such a warlord overnight.
Oh yeah. Though I will say. If I could go back
in time and change anything. Is smack the MF
'er. That changed snack packs. Oh yeah. The chocolate
snack pack pudding cups, they used to come in
a metal tin. And when you open that tin up, you
still had the pudding skin on the pudding. It
was amazing. And it tasted like it was cooked
fresh. Not this crap now where you can't tell
if it's been made last week or six months ago.
You know, this actually like my childhood, it's
like you open that up. And God forbid if that
ring broke off the metal lid, because then you
were like, you're screwed. But yeah, whoever
decided to make that change should have the shit
beat out of them. If I could change things, I
would absolutely change that. Snack packs taught
me some of my most valuable life lessons. Learning
how to eat those things without a spoon. Yes.
Or try to open it up without cutting an artery.
That too. man now you have me thinking of like
og pizza back in like the early 2000s when it
was good uh or or even mcdonald's pizza back
in the day i never got to try it oh it was actually
not terrible there was also mcdonald's spaghetti
that was interesting i don't know i don't know
what was that like campbell's that was reheated
i don't know with now with 3d printed chicken
Oh, okay. So there's something. Imagine taking
something like a 3D printer back to the 80s or
90s. Oh, they'd lose their shit. Oh, yeah. Imagine
taking a Tesla back to the 80s or 90s. It's just
far enough back where they would understand the
technology and still be able to utilize it. Yeah.
But they could make such a technological leap.
Because of it. Because of it, yeah. Honestly,
even just like Wi -Fi and Bluetooth and stuff
like that. Oh, yeah. They would go nuts with
that, especially our transfer and data speeds.
Like, holy shit. They were in like megabytes
per second for bus speeds. And now we're like,
oh, a casual 300 to 800 gigs per second. They
would lose their minds. Yeah. What do you mean?
I can send someone like a 300 by 300 megapixel.
photo in under a minute what are you talking
about like it usually takes us 10 minutes like
buddy i could download a 4k movie in like nine
seconds flat what are you kidding like what's
4k oh buddy buddy we have so much to talk to
you about yeah so that that's a good segue into
the next section uh technological contamination
uh the butterfly effect on innovation and this
is you you were talking about this earlier displace
technology and the bootstrap paradox. So if a
time traveler accidentally leaves a modern smartphone,
say, in 1950, scientists of that era could reverse
engineer it. So this creates a bootstrap paradox
or the ontological paradox. The technology has
no original inventor at that point as its blueprint
came from the future. Well... I don't know if
you could take a smartphone and reverse engineer
it back in 1950 because it's so far ahead. I
don't want to say it's almost too far ahead because
of the microprocessors and the transistors and
all that. They're so small in the phones these
days. At that point, it would be like, yeah,
we know what this is, but we don't have the know
-how. to utilize it in a way yeah i think you'd
have to do something bigger um less less complicated
even yeah maybe even take it to something like
the 70s or 80s or like we're just saying a 3d
printer back to the 80s or 90s you could get
away with that So the effect on innovation, the
introduction of advanced tech could stagnate
or misfire the native timeline's innovation,
like giving early inventors a microchip could
skip the entire industrial and electrical engineering
era that led to its creation, making it impossible
for them to mass produce or even understand it.
Yeah. So let me ask you guys this. This is something
that I came up with while I was getting all the
notes together. If the technology is or was freely
available, what would prevent someone from taking
an idea or a concept that they were developing,
say like a game, a program, music, movie, TV
show, whatever, but somebody else beat them to
market and going back and getting theirs to market
first or outright stealing the content altogether.
If somebody who could actually sing and perform
but never got a big break or to take all the
content from somebody like, say, Taylor Swift
or some other big name and then go back like
10, 15, 20 years before they ever hit the stage
and then drop some of their songs as their own
and take the light off of that person, could
they theoretically steal their whole catalog?
A band like Five Finger Death Punch, if somebody
took their stuff and went back and performed
it instead of them, could they take the the steam
away from that band again that's where you're
creating a paradox because at what point who
creates what right because if you then took that
information and then went back in time and then
ran with it like it was yours you're not the
original creator of it so where would that information
have come from at that point you're just reading
like it's your own at that point yeah right but
i'm just saying you know at some point they're
going to be like well how did you create this
if it's right or what idea came about to make
this yeah but if it's music with some things
i think i think you could get away with it with
like music or something like that now something
like a movie uh could the same be done to prevent
epic movie disasters could the star wars sequel
trilogy be prevented or at least corrected yeah
maybe what i would say that's a big maybe so
for stuff that's creative in nature like that
because people basically how it works legally
is nobody owns it until someone files a copyright
for it or for that information so it's one of
those things where you could theoretically just
steal everybody's music now go back 30 years
and write all of it um and you would technically
own it all you really good you could file patents
for it and everything like that um For movies,
what would be interesting is you could theoretically
tell this person, hey, here's a copy of the movie
you're trying to make. Here's all the reviews
and here's the way it could be better. Fucking
do better. And maybe, maybe they'll be like,
oh, that's not panning out the way I thought.
And sometimes what happens, too, if you're making
a movie or making videos or anything else, it's
you might have a vision. Maybe the publisher
or somebody else or someone else has a different
vision. Maybe it's due to. time constraints or
budget constraints but you could say hey here's
what you produced here's what i've used ai to
generate that should be and would sell and make
you more money do this do better you could go
like that route or you could just say you know
what george lucas i like what you're doing but
i'm going to take everything put it all out a
year before so i own everything i'll patent it
all and that way i can force you i'll come to
you and hire you and say hey i'll sell you the
whole thing for one dollar but the agreement
is you have to do it this way. If you don't like
it, pound sand. I don't care. And you theoretically
could, because that way he still owns it, he
still does whatever. You can make your royalties
on it, but that way it's more refined, let's
just say, or more what you want it to do. The
weird problem that's going to happen is do you
know how many other fucking crazy nerds are going
to be traveling back in time and arguing with
George Lucas? He's going to be the most popular
man ever. in like 1985 where he's sitting there
writing. No, no, no. All they have to do is get
him to sign a clause. Never sell to Disney. Done.
Yeah. And bring him just pounds of cocaine. Jar
Jar Binks is a Sith Lord. I need you to repeat
this after me. This is your monster. This is
your monster. You will die on this hill. Yes.
There is no way you convinced me that he's not.
Just going through that battlefield, just throwing
droids the way he did. Right. So it could be
used for a lot of good. I feel like it could
be absolutely hilarious. But. Oh, yeah. You never
know. Yeah. Yeah. So this is going to take us
to the last section. And I wanted to save this
for last. Using knowledge as weaponry. Systemic
and cultural upheaval. And this was one of our
promotional spots for the episode tonight. The
deconstruction of belief systems, religious and
philosophical upheaval. If a time traveler were
to go back and observe and record the precise,
mundane, or even fraudulent origins of a major
world religion, spiritual movement, or philosophical
text. could revealing this information shatter
the faith of billions overnight, potentially
leading to mass societal collapse, wars, or existential
crises as people lose their moral frameworks.
There'd be a lot of people dead and overnight.
Like, for example, if you went back, like in
the promo you did, where... jesus came back after
three days what if they find out it actually
took a week because he was just laying out and
he was recovering from the wounds you know he
never actually died he was just laid out and
everybody kept him off to the side saying hey
no he died but you know don't worry about it
because they're letting the romans think that
he died but you find out after a week he actually
came back but they make it sound like over time
from passing those stories along before they
finally published said stories in a book that
it went from like oh he came back after a week
and to down to three days just because it made
it sound good so i want to reference one of our
earlier episodes on a very similar topic with
that what if they find out the reason jesus supposedly
was in that rock for three days because he was
high off his ass for three days and he showed
back up now that he was sober because if you
remember one of our earlier episodes i was talking
about how most religions are basically people
high off their ass and i made a very strong case
for that I even have one of my buddies that's
religious. Question is existence. It was a great
fucking weekend. But what if you find out the
majority of those stories are literally just
people taking drugs, doing weird stuff, doing
things that they don't even know. Weird mushrooms,
whatever. Like, he was gone for three days. It's
like you were just on a bad trip for like eight
hours. Like, to you it felt like three days.
But you just had some really fucked up shit,
bro. And that's what I wonder is how many of
those preconceived notions and ideas. would absolutely
tear apart most religions, or even some countries,
too, in terms of, like, their royal families,
for example. The entire Middle East? Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah. It'd be a PvP zone. That's all that
would be. All of a sudden, PvP zone. All that
loot. That's all it is. But what about the burning
bush? The rock of the religion is wrong. Yeah.
Oh, the burning bush? Yeah, that was crack. No,
you ate a bad mushroom, and you were hallucinating.
Yes. yeah either that or you had one crazy guy
in the town that for some reason was the biggest
strongest guy he said yeah sure the birdie bush
yeah whatever just don't fucking kill me yeah
sure whatever you say buddy you know right it's
very possible i saw a bush it was on fire i was
so messed up right yeah so if proof of the air
quote true events were brought back like video
footage artifacts or whatnot How would modern
institutions and governments handle the resulting
truth -driven global panic? So imagine there's
proof of some of these events pointing out information
one way or the other. Maybe they have something
that completely disproves one of the major taught
aspects of something. What could anyone do to
prevent mass panic? Nothing. You mean like government
cover -ups? I guess. Once that information's
out there, it's out there, bro. Especially with
our technology now. So now, let me go a step
further. Erasing national identity. There are
entire nations based off of faith at this point.
So a hostile power could travel back to gather
definitive proof that a founding national myth,
a war victory, or a revered hero, was a lie,
a fraud, or based on immoral acts. This targeted
revelation could delegitimize a current government
and destabilize an entire country's sense of
self -purpose. Yeah, like you said, the Middle
East, they find out Muhammad was just a normal
dude that was a pedophile. And he didn't do any
of the crap that they wrote. That would totally
destroy half the countries in the Middle East.
You talk about China or Russia or any of those
other countries that have very centralized powers.
There's some information that could get out there
that could really destabilize or possibly even
turn them over. Right. Or like the Kim family
never had any claim to the palace in the first
place. In North Korea. You know how funny it
would be if we developed time travel and we just
didn't fucking tell them and kept messing with
North Korea? Oh, my God. Oh, my Lord. I'd mess
with them just to mess with them. I could not
wait to read those news articles every morning.
Like, Kim Jong -un suddenly grows third arm out
of his ass. We don't know why. It just, oh, man.
Oh, my God. Oh, shit. Oh, man. I'd have so much
fun messing with them. Oh, Jesus. If the time
travel technology got out to people like us,
the the fuck around and and and find out of of
mentality that people like us would have or just
the fuck around mentality in fact the amount
of historical photos you'd see fafo behind them
as like my little freaking insignia just so people
knew and only you would know if i told you but
you'd be like wow it's weird this isn't like
a lot of historical photos oh i know oh i know
i know Oh, man. Go back to the creation of the
Bill of Rights. No, listen, you need to explain
it like people are five. Yes. Right? Slavery,
bad, guns, good. Yeah. Bad. So you could continually
use time travel to undermine governance. Future
knowledge could be used to predict and therefore
deliberately sabotage. Specific political events
like elections, treaty signings, peace negotiations,
whatnot, ensuring a rival nation gains a permanent
advantage or disadvantage. So you could sit there
and just make sure that one nation is never able
to get a foothold in any aspect of the world.
You could prevent Russia from ever rising to
power in any aspect and prevent all kinds of
different things. Or China. Or Cambodia. Or Vietnam.
It'd be really weird that some of history would
be rewritten where America just didn't stop after
we took back Germany. We just kept going. For
some reason, I don't know how America just keeps
going. It's crazy. Just kept on ruling, baby.
It's crazy. They just kept saying something about
oil, and they just kept going. It's weird. The
Eastern Front went all the way to Japan. I don't
know how that happened. It just kept fucking
rolling. That's a war game that I don't think
we've ever talked about, is what if the U .S.
would have kept going? What if we became the
bad guy? Yeah, but we're not really the bad guy.
I mean, we're saving them from communist Russia.
We'd be a bad guy, but not really the bad guy.
Yeah, we kind of defeated the two other bad guys.
Well, really, Mussolini, too, so the three bad
guys. Yes. The Japan. Okay, so four. All right.
Yeah. We could have. Oh, yeah. So, lastly, you've
got economic system collapse, temporal insider
trading. the ability to know the precise date
and cause of every future stock market crash,
economic bubble burst, or currency collapse,
like you had talked about earlier. It's not just
a tool for wealth. It's a tool for economic assassination.
A rival power could use this knowledge to systematically
bankrupt entire nations or just outright render
their currency worthless and their industry defunct.
Yeah. I mean, just think about how... China where
they are right now. They got there literally
in 10 to 15 years. You could go back and prevent
one or two key events and they're still stuck
in the rice fields. Yeah, you just tell American
politicians in the 1980s, hey, chip manufacturing
like TSMC and Samsung, they got to be making
stuff here. China, this is why. And show them
now and they'd be like, oh, okay. And that's
it. You could change entire economic events like
that. Or you could say like, hey, America, you
should probably have like hemp legalized and
not have marijuana on like a schedule one drug.
And that way, all of a sudden, all these businesses
would open up. All of a sudden, America would
thrive 20, 30 years before the rest of the country
started to legalize them in the Western world.
So there's a lot of things you could do that
might seem like a small change, but would be
fucking drastic. Or in my case, I'd be going
back in time and fucking beat the fuck out of
whoever was in the. the epa for doing the death
fuel and all the diesel fucking emission shit
jesus christ whoever you are you're an asshole
because all you're doing is fucking up the entire
diesel industry so bad so they might be getting
rid of them so hopefully hopefully yeah so think
about uh taking a technological breakthrough
from our time back to a time where it could be
implemented a little bit easier Something like
you were just talking about, like the secret
of cheap, limitless energy. If you could take
fusion technology where we have it now back to
the 1960s or 70s when they were like actively
pursuing it. Honestly, I really feel like if
you brought efficient, modern solar panels back
then and gave them that head start, you'd now
have like if you brought it back to the 60s,
they had another 40, 50 years to develop. Today,
every shingle will be solar. Every building would
just have solar roofs and that would be it. You
wouldn't even need external power for most people.
Yeah, but in doing so, you could instantaneously
destroy the fossil fuel industry and associated
economies, creating global chaos before the new
tech is ready for development. So you could destabilize
a whole lot of shit real quick. Yeah, but we'd
be able to be self -sufficient though. It'd be
kind of more of a Middle East problem at that
point. basically. Yeah. But they've been trying
to kill themselves for 3000 years. So build a
wall around them. So here's a discussion question
for you. We have a situation where if, if a government
were to acquire knowledge that proves a central
tenant of a major rival, society's existence
is false would there ever be a moral justification
for withholding that truth to maintain global
stability depends maybe depends on how serious
it is you know what i mean right even that i
feel like now too honestly a lot of people just
don't give a fuck about things so like if you
said that like 20 years ago back when like our
country was more unified maybe but i don't think
there's anything you could tell people that would
like cause everyone to mass panic yeah unless
it was like hey the walking dead starts tomorrow
irl like good luck they'll be like okay maybe
people would panic but like or like or if it
was um not not walking dead what was the other
um world war z or whatever when they run or like
i if you if you told everyone tomorrow oh by
the way it's i am legend fucking good luck yeah
people would fucking panic but like besides that
like so okay that takes me back to the people
like us would like to fuck around with people
uh if you are a time traveler and you go back
and people know without a doubt you are a time
traveler yeah or you flat say look i'm a time
traveler and i've come from the future have the
zombies started yet all right first of all fuck
you because that's ridiculous you could ask them
oh how did you handle this handle the zombie
apocalypse they'd be saying what oh sorry that
hasn't happened and then you just like and then
you just like check your watch you're like shit
i'm too early and then you just like click out
you know that explains why the u .s government
suddenly has a zombie preparedness preparedness
you know right con plan 8888 that's why it exists
that offhand is kind of concerning but anyways
that's shush you okay i i have Some exit questions
for the listeners. Can I make a quick case about
something before you get to that? Absolutely.
So I wanted to have a quick thought discussion
and prove to you why time travel cannot exist.
Okay. Very simple. In order for you to travel
back in time, you have to have three -dimensional
coordinates, correct? Maybe. So here's the problem
we have. If you go back in time. The usual assumption
is that you have to know the 3D coordinates of
where to be at, correct? Well, guess what? You're
going to play on the fact that everything is
moving throughout time and space. There is no
relative. We don't know the absolute point. So
then the problem is you're going to spend thousands
of years blindly sending people back and be like,
I wonder if he made it. It'd be like, oh, he
was off by 5 million miles. Because we don't
know right now. Where the planet sits relative
to everything else in terms of exactly. There
is no way to exactly know that because the galaxy
is traveling at a certain speed and our solar
system is traveling. There's so many layers of
variables that good fucking luck. So figure that
out. Let me big brain you for a second. We know
where things were X amount of time ago. Sort
of. So if we stack that equation linearly, we
could re extrapolate back and get. at least a
rough enough coordinate where we could send test
objects. Yeah, it's going to be really weird
when a banana tears the wall out of nowhere.
You got to understand, it's going to be fucking
weird for them to calibrate that and figure that
out, especially when you consider, if you look
at the way the Earth's mass has changed and sort
of evolved between different layers of water,
different water densities, you have to factor
in the moon and stuff like that, pulling it in
different ways. If you could figure out that
complex equation, you could do it. But that would
dwarf any math that we have ever done. It wouldn't
just be traveling back in time. It would be find
that exact point. We need AI to do it. It would.
You would. We need ridiculous amounts of data.
We need quantum backed AI. Yes. So I just want
to point that out that there's no other thing
I could think of, even a Star Trek or anything
else that ever, ever discussed that, like everything
is moving in space. in all three directions simultaneously
so you got to factor that in and we don't have
enough data to ever even consider that so just
throw that out there we we kind of do and i say
kind of because again we know more or less where
things were a second ago we know where things
were a minute ago we could re -extrapolate So
I guess the problem is it's a very complex equation.
There's no way of knowing because we'd have no
reference in the universe that's not moving.
Everything is moving. Correct. So therefore,
there is no reference. So you're going to have
to try, but it's going to be really weird when
someone just pops into existence like 3 ,000
miles away from Mars, just sitting there, and
then he disappears. You're like, what the fuck?
Like, oh, sorry, we had the wrong coordinates.
Well, that's what happened down in Miami. beginning
of the year dude imagine if that was what it
was imagine like oops yeah one of these days
we'll have to cover that in detail oh we're going
to do an episode on that we got a few conspiracies
we got to start covering we haven't done any
since the mandalay bay one no we haven't we need
to get on that train we'll get there um all right
so questions for the listeners and this is kind
of a two -parter So you have a ticket to Berlin,
1939. You're able to get in the room with the
man. I'm not going to say his name, but you know
who I'm talking about. Do you pull the trigger?
And if you do, there's a chance that you cease
to exist because of the way events unfold there
going forward. i mean if i cease to exist it's
i know if i cease to exist it's suddenly not
my problem so like and this is again linear timeline
theory yeah no i'm good i'd still do it for the
greater good you know okay take my chance so
secondarily if you go back further to 18 what
89 i think it was and kill the monster as a baby
are you a hero or a child murderer And with the
idea that time wants to happen, if you kill him,
does somebody else just rise to take his place?
So I know you're going by the thing of like he
hasn't committed the crime yet, but that would
be the assumption if there's been enough data
to assume that you have the correct linear timeline
and that it's going to happen. It's a guarantee.
It's going to happen. If that's the case, then...
You know, late term abortions come into a Germantown
near you. But like, whereas, sorry, I know that
stuff is bad. But if you knew it was linear,
then yes. But if it was a branch timeline, then
you just abduct the kid and bring him somewhere
else. Yeah. Yeah. Or just go back further, you
know, further, you know, far into a point of
the past where you could just be like, hey, look,
bro, I know you like art. And we know you like
strudel. How about we go into cooking? Or make
sure he does get into art school. Right. It's
really weird. This guy just gets like this benefactor
that gives him a billion dollars in Germany in
1928. Somehow out of nowhere. We don't know how.
It's really weird. That'd be kind of funny. So,
okay. Here's the next one. And again, these are
for the listeners. So I want to hear from you
guys listening. What are your thoughts on this?
If the government can view any moment in the
past, privacy is effectively dead. No crime would
go unsolved, but no secret, personal or political,
would ever be safe. So would a surveillance state
ever be acceptable in any degree if it covers
the past as well? Now I feel like this is a very
American thing because we do not like surveillance.
Other countries maybe are more comfortable with
it. The problem you have is once one country
go back in time, your laws are irrelevant. So
let's just let's take a country that loves a
surveillance state like England, for example,
right now with their digital ID and their cameras
or anything like that, because they can go back
in time in England. That means they can also
go back in time here. So it's the problem of
like once one state can do it, we could technically
outlawed here in America, but it doesn't mean
it's outlawed because there's no way to enforce
it. So it's the problem of like, once it's considered
acceptable in any capacity, it's all okay. There's
no such thing. So it's like, unfortunately, once
you open that Pandora's box, you are a surveillance
state, whether you like it or not. That's like,
right now, you can't say anything. If it's construed
as a hate crime, you're going to jail. Oh, yeah.
You get your shit confiscated. There was a guy
in England, just so you guys know what's going
on, why we're referencing this. There was a guy
in England that visited America, went to a gun
range, and just took a photo holding a shotgun.
I just saw that. And he got arrested back in
England for having a photo that could offend
people that he was holding a shotgun. Which,
by the way, shotguns are illegal to have in the
UK if you have a hunting license, so I figured
that one out. But the only reason why I'm saying
this is if they could do that now without the
ability to time travel, if they did have the
ability to time travel, huh. They would arrest
you for stuff you never did or could possibly
maybe kind of sort of do. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Go
back to your parents and tell you, guess what?
You two can't shag because you're going to produce
a child that potentially offended Muhammad Ali
or, you know, some retard from, you know, that's
a refugee on, you know, claiming asylum. And
you might potentially upset them because you
said, hey, maybe you should fight for your own
country, try to get laws in your own country
good, so that way you don't need to come here
to ours and sit on the social welfare state.
That's just me. Sorry. So, all right, next question.
If time travel were real, is history just a subjective
narrative written by the last person who changed
it? A hundred percent. Yeah. Yeah. Well, they
always say that history is written by the winners.
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, here's the crazy part is
technically if your linear timeline theory is
correct, you don't know whether history is real
or not, even right now. Right. So that's the
only reason why I say it's not real is just because
I feel like we'd see some really weird discrepancies
because there's no way they could get it all
done at one go or at the same point. They did
it all over the course of a millennia, and we're
just living through it. So who knows? But I feel
like our history is way too weird for it to be
well thought out. There's a lot of weird bullshit
that we see. And it all cycles back to 2012.
I'm telling you, CERN's first test was in 2012.
I'm telling you. We got the weird timeline. See,
that's the problem. Timeline's merged. We're
in the weird one. Is that the cornucopia thing
all over again? Yes, the fruit of the limb cornucopia.
Yeah, I remember it. Here's the big one. You
have a chance to go back in time to try to prevent
the death of one person that would affect millions.
You are not allowed to intervene in the death
of somebody personal. Who do you try to save?
Jesus Christ. No, he has to die. I'd bring back
Stephen Hawking. Hawking? All right. Just because.
And not like it's the moment when he's about
to die and you bring him back just so he's like,
why? I just went here to get it. Oh, man. Yeah.
Unfortunately, sir, we were able to bring you
back to live for another 30 years. Unfortunately,
you still have this crippling disability that
you have to contend with. Yeah, I'm going to
hell. So your question is you have a chance to
try and prevent the death of one person that
will affect millions. What do you mean by that
will affect millions? Somebody's death like a.
A performer, a leader. Steve Jobs. My first thought
was going to be Robin Williams, only because
he was such an amazing, positive person for the
world. Yes. My thoughts were Robin Williams,
Chester Bennington, or Paul Walker. Yeah. And
those last two, only because they were involved
in organizations that were helping people and
trying to bring light to some bullshit going
on in Hollywood. And I still think total tin
hex. conspiracy theory they were killed not uh
you know anything else they they were murdered
they they did not die of self removal or accidents
which ones are we talking about chester bennington
and paul walker they were both involved in a
ring to try to expose pedophilia in hollywood
and yeah suddenly miraculously just before they
were supposed to appear in front of a judge within
a few days All of a sudden, they were gone. Dead.
Yep. And you know what? If it meant he could
actually go on to talk, I would even be willing
to bring back Mr. Jeffrey. Honestly, to clear
all that up, yeah. Oh, my God. The surprise look
on the Clinton's face when they see he's back.
Oh, my God. He's back. This shocked Pikachu face
on Bill Clinton alone. i thought we killed that
man i just oh my god oh man where's biden i know
he's sniffing some little girl's hair so boy
yeah that would be but i mean maybe even um kirk
well tell somebody i was thinking just because
his death has been so like traumatic for politics
for so many but i i also feel like his death
has polarized a lot of People positively as well.
We'll have to at some point do a politics episode.
We're going to do an episode on him. Because
that's an episode that's going to be a mainly
me thing just because I've been following that
for a long time. But like, Jesus Christ. Yeah.
That would be. Well, if you brought him back,
boy, that would be a shocker. Have you seen the
videos of the supposed lookalikes of him that
get very nervous when you mentioned his name?
Oh, Jesus Christ. Me? No, Charlie Kirk. Oh, my
God. No, I have not. You'll have to send me that.
Obviously. Yeah. Obviously. I don't know. Yeah,
there's one or two people that are, like, creepy,
like Uncanny Valley creepy. Maybe they're clones.
Who knows? And people are like, man, you look
awful like Charlie Kirk, and they get real nervous.
I don't know. It seemed like his wife moved on
really quickly. I don't know. Just for. Isn't
she banging his best friend? No. She did mention
that J .D. Vance awfully reminds him a lot about
her husband in a very weird way, and I thought
that was a little creepy. I saw something about
Vance's wife is leaving him, maybe. I don't know
about that. I haven't heard anything about that.
That could be a weird round robin. Vance ends
up with... With Erica Kirk. Kirk's ex -wife.
Erica Kirk, yeah. Jesus Christ. Talk about a
power couple. My God, when he becomes president
in a few years. I don't know if he will, dude.
She's the new first lady. I don't think he will
either. I think we're going to end up with somebody
that's just worse than anybody we could imagine.
We'll save that for an episode. That's a topic
for another show. Yes. Then we will need time
travel. I know. Well, you know, the whole thing
with JD Vance. So we're talking about divorce
and all that. That only came about because apparently
back in November of 2025 of this year, she was
at Camp Lejeune and she didn't have her ring
on. Okay. It happens. Especially when you have
little children. I would say let's leave all
that for the episode because that's going to
be a whole. Yeah. There's a lot with that one.
You can't have one like her around a whole bunch
of Marines not have a ring on. That is true.
But that would be of any of the branches, really.
That's true. Of any of the five branches now,
because it's not just four. I'm trying to think
of who else we would bring back. Space Force,
go hard. Who else? Who else is passed away that
would be big? I hate to say it, but I feel like
it's been a lot of Hollywood people. Betty White.
Bring back Betty White. Betty White, Ozzy. Oh,
Ozzy. Oh, man, yeah. Oof. Hogan. They still got
to figure out how Ozzy survived all these years.
I know. Pure hatred. Just pure spite. He is literally
your shirt. Just I exist out of spite. That's
what he was. Ozzy, right there. God. Yeah. You
know, imagine how long Ozzy could have lived
if he just took care of himself. Like, he lived
to be that long abusing himself and all the drugs
and alcohol. Imagine how long he would have made
it if he was, like, a marathon runner. He would
have lived to, like, 140. Right. Maybe. Or he
would have gotten hit by a bus. Honestly, that's
why I want time travel. I'd love to be able to
experiment with people at that point. Be like,
I know you have this passion for music, but trust
me, marathon running is the way to go. Just compare.
Just compare. Did you ever watch that movie,
The Time Machine? No. Yes. I recommend it as
a watch. The newer version from like early 2000s.
Okay, yeah, that was a decent one. It wasn't
great, but it wasn't bad. Well, so he, I'll kind
of give you a little bit of a spoiler. He keeps
trying to go back to prevent an event, but no
matter what, he cannot do it. So he just says,
fuck it, I'm going to peace out and just slams
down the fucking thing. And then goes way far
in the future. So let's check it out. Yeah. It's
worth a watch. I think it's available somewhere
on streaming. Okay. But it's, it's worth a watch.
Yeah. But yeah, that unfortunately brings us
to the end of the episode. Did you guys have
any closing? things uh let's hope we don't develop
time travel in which case uh life's gonna get
real fucky it's gonna be fucking weird yeah sometimes
some things really are best left alone yeah i
i've said it several times in this show and i'll
say it again ian malcolm from jurassic park said
it best people were too busy figuring out whether
or not they could they never stopped to think
whether or not they should But that's how we
got a whole generation of scientists now. Because
they're totally ignoring Ian. They're just going
for it. They're like, wait, I can make dinosaurs?
Oh, here we go. I really feel like people are
too concerned with pushing boundaries, especially
with things like AI. And I know we talk about
AI quite a bit on the show. But it's one of those
topics that it really is not getting the right
kind of attention. I genuinely believe in my
heart of hearts that it is going to be the reason
we as a society fall. For whatever reason. I
thought it was going to be an idiocracy kind
of thing. Well, I mean, it may be a little bit
of both, to be honest. But I think AI is probably
going to lead the cause. AI are going to get
another asshole scientist that tries to create
another virus. They got to fucking stop that
shit. Oh, yeah. Mm -hmm. We don't need another
woo -hoo flu. No one's telling them no. Woo -hoo
flu. Yeah. Until someone does. Yeah. Yeah. So
if you've been partaking in the video for the
show, I hope that you've enjoyed the graphics.
Could you throw up the portal one? Ah, the portal
one? Yeah. I should have that. You should. These
are some of the ones I've been working on that
I was going to use for the companion video. Hold
on. I will get it up here. Yes, take your Viagra.
So yeah, we've been... As much as we talk shit
about AI, it is a useful tool and has its merits.
And this is one of them, you know, using video
to image generation, something I've been learning
how to do lately. At some point, we're going
to have Mansley doing some more interesting things,
but putting him in different scenes throughout
history has been kind of fun. And having him
do different things is, you know, just been kind
of nice. Yeah. So one of the cooler ones was
this portal, having him walking out of that thing
as a time traveler. So yeah. Fuck yeah. That's
just, I love it. I'm going to make that one the
seat in the star for a second. So You know, we
might have to have a scene where Mansley's carrying
Baggy at some point. Yeah. His emotional support
bag. His emotional support bag. Absolutely. I
love it. So. You have some chromosomes for me.
Get the voice done up for him and just be like,
put the chromosomes in the bag. Okay. All right.
Well, folks, I think that's going to do it for
us this week. I hope you guys enjoyed the episode.
We will be back next week with another one. Or
is next week one of our off weeks? Or is everyone
going to be? I should be here. I don't think
we have an off week until around Christmas. Okay.
Yeah. End of the year. We're probably going to
be off for a week or two. Just putting that out
there because life's going to be like, so yeah,
but thanks again for hanging out with us. Again,
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we had during the show. So send them our way
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