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We found out about some stuff that absolutely
blew our minds. As you all know, I have been
trying to steer the ship a little bit solo. And
there's not been an episode in the last couple
of weeks. Gibbles and I were going to do an episode
last night, and then we got a chance to talk
to Gibbs. And we kind of got onto this topic
for tonight and decided to go ahead and hold
off and do this one tonight, as well as doing
the send off. Oh, yeah, this got us so riled
up. We're like, oh, absolutely. We need to talk
about this one. Yes. What we found out is 1000%.
Straight out of Black Mirror. If you've not watched
Black Mirror, you know we've referenced that
show a lot of times on this podcast. Social credit
is a thing that here in America is an absolutely
damning concept. There is a program out there
called Gage. It is social credit scores for employees
and employers. Yeah, GageWork .com. GageWork
.com. Thank you. Yeah. It provides, and this
is straight off of their website, universal employment
scores as part of the workforce development platform
to assess and improve employee performance and
engagement. The score is a key component of the
Gage platform, which aims to build a better workforce
through recognition, feedback, and performance
management. It's a dynamic metric that reflects
how well an employee performs, how long they
stay with a company, and how they leave a job.
That's a lot of corporate speak to say you're
getting hosed. Yeah, that means they can literally
blackball you without blackballing you publicly
in any kind of easily accessible manner. From
what I've been able to gather, this is an app
program that operates kind of in the shadows.
like some of those private groups on Facebook
that people join, and they just disseminate information
about people in the local community. So there's
a couple of points here that I think people need
to be aware of. And the issue here is it's a
platform, and it's really what they're talking
about is being a whole workplace ecosystem. So
anybody that works in the corporate world right
now, they're probably aware of a program called
ADP. Where basically ADP is a very common thing
we're used to clock in and out. That's how you
get your your PTO days or vacation days, how
you organize basically the back end with a job
in terms of scheduling. One of the things in
here, which is in the website, is this talking
about eventually being somewhat the same space
with the idea is that there are some companies
that might have you download that require that
to get your hours for your scheduling to be able
to do your PTO vacation, all that kind of stuff.
So it's going to eventually become a workplace
requirement. Number one. Number two, the issue
I see is because it is a platform. If you actually
look in some of the information and data, just
like any other platform when it comes to social
media or any sort of information sharing platform,
they're allowed to sell and disseminate that
information like what Pip already said. So the
bigger problem is not only can companies that
use the program get access to the information,
but even companies that don't. So here's my question
to you. What's going to happen to your algorithms
where if Facebook knows your gauge score or YouTube
or anything else, how will that change things
like the ads you see? Will that also change things
how people treat you in public places? Like,
for instance, you go with your health insurance
somewhere and they say, oh, yeah, you don't have
a very good gauge score. Maybe maybe we shouldn't
offer you these services because why would we
spend this money on you? You're only a 300, whereas
this person's a 750. They even talk about it
in the advertisement, talk about people getting,
quote unquote, their preferred positions or hours
based on their score. Now, granted, the good
news is in America, we actually do have discrimination
laws or anti -discrimination laws. So the good
thing is I see this as one of the easiest lawsuits
ever. If you apply for something, they tell you
no, and you can prove that they based it off
of that gauge score. Obviously, that's going
to go somewhere. I think the. Anti -Defamation
League and a few other things. There's going
to be a few other companies and groups that are
going to be very much against this. Oh, God,
yes. In the advertisement for it, they are talking
about companies that are actively, as of today,
implementing or using them. Chick -fil -A is
one of them. And it was Jimmy John's was the
other one I saw. Go ahead. No, I was going to
say, I just recommend people go to their website
and look at and watch the trailer. Particularly,
by the way, look at, I hate to be this guy, but
watch the trailer and look at who they give what
scores. You can tell an AI wrote that one because
yeesh, the subtle racism on that one, I'm just
saying. Yeah, if you watch any of the recent
AI videos, I don't know if it's being made that
way or if the AI is becoming inherently racist.
Holy shit. I shouldn't laugh I really shouldn't
laugh all you can do is laugh because it's like
oh my god it's so overtly bad right but it's
so fucking hilarious there are grand wizards
that would blush at some of the stuff that I've
seen like I just there are some things I've seen
even on like TikTok and places I look I'm like
god Damn! What the fuck? So it's unreal. What
you were saying about the different rankings
kind of brings up a lot of very scary points.
What if they give you different amounts of PTO
based on your gauge score? What if they give
you access to different health insurance plans
based on your gauge score? Different costs associated
with your health insurance? Different wages based
on your gauge score? This is opening up a literal
Pandora's box of all kinds of negative outcomes.
There is zero positive for this. The episode
Nosedive on Black Mirror is an extremely well
-produced visual display of what this can lead
to. And it's all negative for the employees.
It's a net positive for the employers. Thank
you. That's the only positive is for the employers,
the people who are running and getting the data
off of this. The Orville also had an episode
about this. Shit, I think I lost the link. But
most all major sci -fi franchises have discussed
this topic. Majority rule. That was the episode.
Yes. Majority rule. Very well done. Please watch
some of this stuff because holy shit. Very well
done. Very well produced. Very well presented.
They show how out of control any of these social
credit programs can get. If you don't know much
about social credit programs, look to China.
They're using. They've been running. They're
using social credit systems right now. There's
one in place that you cannot get into certain
grocery stores to get your food if you do not
have a certain social credit score. You cannot
get into bank accounts or use banking services
if you do not have a good enough social credit
score. Renting is a horrible process. This is
all shit that they want to bring over here because
it's for the betterment of society. No, it's
the bottom line. Betterment for the bottom line,
man. It's a system that is designed to obfuscate
the responsibilities to for citizens that either
dissent or fall out of line in any single way.
And it is going to become a huge problem, particularly
for Americans, because. I've seen this a lot
in more left -leaning circles, the idea that
you have freedom of speech but not freedom of
consequences. And one of the weird problems we're
going to start having is people that do not agree
with certain political opinions are going to
get downvoted publicly. You're going to have
people that are now going to be way more private
about not only their political opinions but really
almost anything. You are going to have people
that are going to be far more insular or insulated.
And it's even going to extend to things like...
Not only your insurance and where you can work
and where you can live, but things like you're
100 % right with like grocery stores or restaurants.
It's going to become a world where you have to
be this fake nice person to everyone around you
for fear of the government coming down on you.
Because here's the other problem that's not stipulated
here. What happens if your gauge score is so
low you can't be employed? let's just say you're
in an area that's kind of like a fairly wealthy,
uppity kind of neighborhood. And in that neighborhood,
a 700 is considered low, let's just say, because
everyone works for their families, everyone has
a local business, whatever. A lot of their scores
are either paid off or not really necessarily
reflective. What happens is you're going to have
far more economic flight and gentrification based
off of your gauge score or social credit score.
To where if you thought ghettos were bad now,
just wait till someone's driving through saying,
oh, yeah, we're going through the 300 section
of Chicago. Hold your doors tight. Like, it's
going to fucking happen. And that's sad. But
weirdly enough, every insurance company, every
single health care company, all of them are going
to be on board because they can use that as an
excuse to not have to uphold their contracts
or their deals or anything else. Especially,
here's the big thing. How the fuck are you ever
going to get a home loan in this economy? Especially
when they say, sorry, you know, you have the
credit score of 740. You have a gauge score of
a 680. And just those two combined, it doesn't
reach our threshold of 1600 plus. So unfortunately,
we can't give you this loan. It's going to be
a fucking nightmare. It already is for people
in China, but let alone over here where. At least
in China, as much as it sucks over there, they
do have a lot more socialized things over there.
So sure, you might not have a lot, but you can
still get by. Imagine in America, if you go from
having a nice job and a house to being denied
your job, denied being able to get another job
and be able to deny to rent anywhere. Yeah. And
that can happen overnight. Yeah. But keep in
mind that, I mean, as of right now, if you try
to get a mortgage or a loan or anything like
that, they still do ask, you know, hey, where
are you working right now? How long have you
been working there? You know, if you've only
been working here for a year, where have you
worked before? So, I mean, they do ask those
things, but with the whole addition of a score
to it, that can be screwed with so hard. You
know, there's no reason why. You know, beyond,
OK, I had this job for X amount of years. I had
that job for X amount of years that you need
to know. Oh, well, how did you operate at that
job? Did you work nine to five every day or did
you work nine to five when you felt like it?
And the boss had to remind you not to come in
late. You know, why would that matter to get
a home loan? But, you know, you do something
like this, then unfortunately that can start
falling in line. Yeah, it's a it's a very slippery
slope. That leads to a whole lot of different
hills. And it's. Yeah, I can't take no more hills.
My back is broken enough. Tell your wife to go
easy on you. I know. Very happy lady. Yes. The
other thing I think here is there is no measurement
for it to be accurate. So this is the other problem
is there will be so many companies. that are
quote unquote hiring people that they will pay
them to get their score up because they worked
for a bad boss who brought down their score.
And here, here, the biggest problem I see is
what happens if you're a kid out of high school,
you get your first job, like an ice cream shop
or something like that. And the boss is like,
Hey, I'm looking for someone to work three days
a week. You say, cool, whatever I get, you know,
16 or 20 hours a week. And then all of a sudden
they say, well, I need you for five or six days
a week for 10 hours a day. And they're like,
oh, that's what we agreed to. And the boss says,
well, such a shame, Jimmy. I hate to have to
give you this down vote and bring you down from
you start at a 500. Now you're going to be at
a 380 after one week. It's like, no, no, no.
I'll take the hours. I'll take the hours. And
like something we were discussing earlier, what
happens if you're not an hourly employee, but
a salary employee? What happens when they can
start manipulating your hours and your time and
your agreements and your contracts and hold that
over you? This is nothing else but indentured
servitude. This is something that we fought against
over 100 years ago. I also worry about the people
who can be taken advantage of. Someone makes
an advance towards an employee and they get turned
down. Well, their 600 just went to a 400 real
quick. Oh, yeah, because that boss got upset
that they got turned down. Uh -huh. I could see
a lot of different situations like that coming
into play, too. The amount of fraud and bribery
that could be put into play with a system like
this is sickening. Is there any reason why a
boss has to upvote you? Here's the other problem.
Do they have any reason why they would upvote
you? What if you just do your job? They're like,
well, but you showed up and did his job. Well,
you never gave him any upvotes. Well, yeah, because
he only did his job. Yeah, you only did the bare
minimum. But that's the problem. For so many
companies, I think this is a problem of the last
10 years or so that I've been noticing, is a
lot of companies, they are expecting you when
they set up a job description. Really, the job
description is the bare minimum. And they already
expect you to do far more than that for either
nothing additional or minimal in addition. So
here comes the weird problem of people that are
going to be stuck in this endless loop where
unless they are literally the best of the best,
they're not going to get an upvote. Why? Because
as an employer, why would I want to upvote you
when you could just leave me and go somewhere
else? Why would I? I have zero incentive to tell
you, hey, good job. Because you might leave.
So the problem that's going to be is eventually
you're going to have a large subsect of the population
that is considered unemployable. That is so low
that they are permanently, no matter their skill
set, no matter their intentions or anything else,
they will be stuck in poverty. Because that's
how that inevitably always goes. If there's no
incentive to give an upvote, people won't. Yeah,
and it becomes this issue where if there's no
incentive for the positivity, then it's just
a negative cycle. But what you were talking about,
that's where that little clause, other duties
as required, always gets everybody. That's where
they describe the job they want done, but they
just leave it open to where, oh, we can, We can
take advantage of them by adding this clause
in here. So other duties as required is a pretty
safe bet. Because they then require you to do
this duty and they can require you to do that
duty. Oh, and if you refuse and there goes your
score. Exactly. And I guess this other question
is going to become what's going to happen to
our medical system? Because here's the biggest
problem I see, too, is. What happens if you're
stuck in just perpetual hell where you can't
advance, you can't do anything? And I think we
all know in the medical system, nobody's fucking
happy. Nobody wants to be here. Nobody's liking
the way this is now. There's so many industries
I could see to where, like, who the hell is going
to give you an upvote or a like or a positive?
Hey, no, especially this is employer based only.
The idea is this is not just for people walking
around. This is an employer to employee thing.
At least like in Black Mirror or in Orville and
a few other things, at least with people just
in general giving like an upvote or a like, whereas
that's a little bit more like the Chinese system
where it is a little bit more open -ended. But
here it's literally they're doing it for employers
and employees. So it's going to be nothing but
negative. You realize there will become like
brokers. Yeah. There will become like dealers.
There will be shell companies set up with the
idea of, hey, I employ you, you give me $500
a week, and every week I'll give you a like,
and that way in six months you'll be like plus
$800, plus $900. Exactly. It'll just be a black
market almost immediately because somebody's
going to catch wind of this. Somebody's going
to catch wind of it and see the writing on the
wall and immediately open up a company for that.
Honestly, that's the first thing I would do,
and good luck suing me. Because how can you sue
me? What if that's my job? What if that's literally
my job? It's a social credit score company. And
the idea is you gain a membership and you work
for me as an employee. And then for working for
me as an employee as part of that conditional
membership is you get a thumbs up every week.
Fucking come after me. Nothing you can do about
it. Yep. That's a legal job. It's legal. As long
as I show up and do whatever you're requiring.
exactly here we go and just you get a bunch of
friends together applying to the app say it's
a legit business you know everybody gets paid
one dollar a week the amount of job creation
that would stem from that dude that would fuck
up the u .s economy like all of a sudden like
wow in q3 there's been 97 million jobs out of
nowhere what's happening now everybody's giving
each other likes No, and that's always the problem
with that kind of system. They would have to
do like a whole new, instead of unemployment
numbers, they would have to do like a whole new
like factor numbers or dislike factor numbers,
you know? Oh, yeah. You're going to have, okay,
what's the current average of gauge scores this
week? Oh, everybody's down 400 points. Oh, that's
not good. You know, I have likened a social credit
system like this. as tied for my dystopian hell
from Black Mirror. The other one being the robot
dogs being used as sentries and other seek and
destroy kind of situations. Metalhead was the
episode of Black Mirror where they used the robot
dogs that we have out, like the one that has
the flamethrower on it. I don't know if you saw
that one or not. It's a great thing. I want one
to patrol my yard. Those things are kind of cool,
but learn to put the wrong AI. Yes, they're legal
to own. Really? Yes, in all 50 states because
it's not a flamethrower. How much are they? Like
four grand, I think. That's cheaper than a lot
of dogs. Some breeds, yeah. Wow. Yeah, but it's
not a flamethrower, so it's legal to own. Exactly.
But can I replace it with something else? If
you're smart enough, yes. Ah. Put a taser on
it. I have one. Put a taser on it and call it
taser face. There you go. Come here, Sparky.
Yes. It's a whole new meaning to that, doesn't
it? Yes, sir. Oh, my God. But no, I started kind
of getting this thought of. The organ harvesting
market would probably see an uptick because I
think so many people would be driven to the brink.
From. Here's a question. You're bringing this
up and I never thought about this. What happens
if they see someone in the hospital and they
go, oh, he's a 197. Do we even resuscitate him?
Right. Really? Really? Does he really need those
organs? Really? Yeah. Like, you know, a social
credit score that low is going to warrant zero
care, zero effort. And here's a genuine question
for you. I know you were in law enforcement and
I know what the answer is supposed to be, but
I also know what the answer I think is going
to be. If you pull someone over and you run their
number and you say, oof, out of a thousand, they
are a 91. Are you treating that situation differently
than if someone's like an eat 74? I think we
all know the answer is a yes. Even though it's
not supposed to be on paper, it's going to be
a little bit different. Yeah, unfortunately,
that would be the case. Unfortunately. Like you
said, is it supposed to be that way? You're supposed
to look at it from a perspective of, did they
break the law or not? It doesn't matter who they
are, what they look like, age, sex, any of that.
It should be as simple as, You know, did they
break the law? Did they violate a, you know,
you know, something that can cause a citation,
whatever. But yeah, the score and you start pulling
that in and all of a sudden we'd have access
to that. Oh, the mess you would create. Can you
imagine the quality of legal defense they would
be entitled to because of that score? This guy's
only a 150. Give him Joe. He's just out of law
school. You get public defender number 987. Last
in the grade in 1983 has not won a single case
in 25 years. Good luck and may God have mercy
on your soul. I award you no points and may God
have mercy on your soul. No, exactly. But that's
what's kind of scary, though. I know we're joking
about it, but this is something that is literally
around the corner, because I hate to say it,
as it is, the credit score system that we have
currently is already a fucking sham. Uh -huh.
Oh, it's ridiculous. It's absolutely ridiculous.
The fact that, oh, I got a car loan, I got a
mortgage, I got all this other stuff, but if
I pay the car loan off, guess what happens? Now
your credit score goes down. Oh, yeah, that's
a negative thing. Oh, well, you no longer have
that loan on your name for the credit utilization.
Well, I was always told growing up that if you
take a loan out, it's a good thing to pay off
your loan. That at one time, I understood it
from what I was taught in high school. You pay
off the loan. That's good for your credit history.
I don't know when all of a sudden you pay off
a car loan. It makes your credit go negative.
I don't get that. Why is it that I need to keep
a car loan going just so that my credit stays
up? That makes zero sense. Oh, and if you have
a low credit score, certain jobs that I hear
claims of, oh, money and stuff like that, that
credit score could keep you from getting a job
anyways. So about the whole loan thing, that
was a long, long, long time ago that you were
taught that. Yeah, I know it was. Because I was
taught the same thing. Thank you for that. I'm
aware. I'm old. I know. I'm there with you. But
it is insane that we have a system that's based
on habitual overspending. Yes. That's based on
entrapment. So like, for example, so the issue
I had is I recently got a newer car. And mind
you, in my life, I have never been in debt. I've
always had money put aside. And I own a house
that's worth a good chunk of money outright.
So I have everything. And I had a good credit
score. I think it was like 790 or something.
7790 when I applied. I was denied. the Toyota
financing from Toyota, because that would have
been my first loan. And I did not have enough
alone history, even though I have a credit card
history of 14 years. They said, Nope, you've
never taken out auto loan before. So we cannot
honor this 5 .4%. So we have to start for a few
months at 9%. Yeah. Which don't remember. I can
still afford it. It's not, it's not the end of
the world, but it pissed me off. So I'm sitting
there thinking I've done everything right. You
little fricking. And, I still have to bend over
and take it, even though I'm doing it right,
doing everything correctly, but it doesn't fucking
matter. So that's, but the same thing I think
will happen with the social credit score where
you could go to your job, spend the extra money,
the extra time, do everything right. And your
boss doesn't have to give you a like, and then
eventually that will come back to bite you. Eventually
you'll never get the promotion or yeah. Yeah.
Sorry. So you know how in North Korea, if you
commit a crime, your family can pay the price?
What if they institute a system like that where
if you do a crime, your children, your grandchildren
take the social credit penalty? Well, you know
what I feel like it would be? It might be less
of the family. That'd be enough to give me a
coronary. You know what I feel like would happen
though? It would be the household. So it wouldn't
necessarily be family members, but I feel like
the house in general, the household, especially
if you are considered head of house, that might
be like a generic social credit score for the
house. Okay, so we're going down the Klingon
path. I got you. Yes. But I don't see how this
wouldn't go that way, though, at some point.
Yeah. You know? And especially, by the way, this
is not just likes and dislikes, too, on that
gauge score. They can leave comments and leave
other stuff. Oh, yeah. It's wide open. Here's
the other half of this. What happens if you're
in a male -dominated industry like I am and we
like to joke around and have some fun and make
some jokes and say some things and my boss comes
in and catches the wrong end of a conversation?
I'm fucked. Sometimes there's no way of explaining
what I just said without the full context. Or
because I work with mechanics, you're going to
hear some wild shit. So what happens? God forbid,
by the way, if this score ever enters the military
or anything else like that, God fucking bid.
But everybody's fucked. Everybody. I was going
to say, you have some wild conversations. What
do you think about half the shit I say? I'm assuming
you're just talking to a wall half the time,
because if you were talking to a person, they
need therapy. Especially if they're eight or
ten hours a day with you. Jesus Christ. You were
questioning our friendship. Until a crazy person
tells you you're crazy, so. Yeah. Dude, the one
time we hung out in person when we met up last
year, my face hurt for three days straight. From
just laughing and disgust. So let alone working
with you every day. Yeah, the walls need therapy.
I don't know if there's a therapist for drywall,
but you need to find one. Oh, yes. Good times.
So then I guess here's the other twist. That
means we could downvote all of our politicians
into oblivion. I bet you they'll have immunity
if they do this. Yeah, they would have immunity.
I'm just going to sit there. All you're just
going to hear is, Nancy Pelosi's been downvoted
by one. Nancy Pelosi's been downvoted by one.
Endlessly. No. Have you seen that fucking video
making the rounds lately with the lizard? Lizard.
Lizard. Lizard. Lizard. That's all the downvotes.
That's all they would hear all day. Downvote,
downvote, downvote. You would end up turning
into the dude from World of Warcraft just leaning
back. Down, down, down, down, down. You got the
freaking carpal tunnel wristband on, you know,
sipping off your hat. Never getting up because
you got the toilet built into the chair and you're
just downvoting Nancy Pelosi all day. Bathroom!
Bathroom! Ma 'am, I'm having a Nancy Pelosi.
Help me. But the sad part is our group of friends,
though, we would actually probably spend a lot
of time downvoting every single politician. Yeah.
To where basically all of them but Rand Paul
would be at, like, negatives. Like, they wouldn't
even be able to get, like, a McDonald's sandwich.
Rand Paul and maybe RFK all hail the brain worm.
He's allowed to have a two because, you know,
he has a disability, so, like, it's fine. Oh,
my God. But, dude, that's, I think, going to
be the biggest thing, too, is if that becomes
open to the public or, like, an open source thing.
Or especially, here's the other part I was thinking
about, too. What happens if you're reporting
things that are either HIPAA -related and medical
or, like, different confidential things that
happen? This could get serious really quickly
in terms of people's privacy. Well, and that's
why I don't think it'll work anyways in the end,
because... Privacy laws. Well, I think for this
to work and take off, the privacy laws will probably
go away. But also, what happens when your vote
history becomes public record? So that's I wonder
if that's the other thing, too. I wonder if somebody
reports you'd be like this person voted for blank
and they give them a down. Oh, yeah. Just immediately
sue them. Oh, yeah. Yeah, for that software to
really work the way I think they want it to,
because if you really read what they said on
that website, it's just disturbing the things
that they're wanting to do. It opens up so many
potentialities. Now, can I segue this into the
part two topic here that I think we need to discuss
that has to do with this? Do it. Because I know
I sent you a text about this. I didn't discuss
it yet, but I want to see the reaction. Do it.
Send it. I don't know if everyone in chat or
in everyone at home knows this. In England, they
just enabled over the weekend that all explicit
content has to be accessed via an ID or face
verification with a scan and everything else
like that. Like they have to basically prove
that you're the person you say who you are for
all explicit content on the Internet. Now, with
this social credit score, plus that, you're going
to see a lot of celebrities or famous people's
X -rated histories becoming public. Disappearing.
Oh, yeah. And becoming widely available. Well,
that's okay. But also... They're using Norman
Remus to get past the porn. ID check, so. Well,
here's the other, here's the catch -22 of that,
is there are people that have been using the
game Death Stranding and a few other ones that
have actual facial features and everything, things
you can manipulate to get past. Yeah. That's
what I was just referencing with Norman Remus,
because he's the main character. So. Or main
protagonist. I guess my second part of this question
was going to be, not only does this system not
work, and not only is it very invasive, but How
do you know that these scores or any of this
information is going to be actually relevant
to you in terms of it being actually you? If
you thought before identity theft was bad, imagine
the landslide that would happen if you got not
only your ID and your private stuff posted online
because you had to do age verification and everything
else on that, but your social credit was wrongfully...
downvoted or terminated or something else because
that wasn't actually you. Will we see a new age
of piracy where someone will find your likeness,
your information? Because I don't know if you
guys know this, but actually right now, it's
illegal on Grok and ChatGBT4 and everything else
to create an ID, like a federal ID or a license.
But if you have it do it a certain way, you can
get around those limitations. So the question
is... How long is it going to be until people
are using fake IDs or IDs of other people to
apply for jobs to then tank their credit score
and then say that's not me and then look up weird
stuff on the Internet? If you combine all this
shit, the age of piracy is upon us, my friends.
It is more of a digital landscape now. But no,
it's about to be a renaissance of piracy is what
it is. Absolutely. Can we bring back the feathered
hats and the hook hands? People are going to
have to get face tattoos just to prove and keep
themselves unique. You know what's going to be
weird? When everyone has to put a fucking barcode
on their forehead. Oh, Jesus. It's the mark of
the beast! Isn't that one of the things like
Christiania was like talking about the mark of
the beast or some weird crap like that? Yep.
Well, this is kind of what I'm not like directly
alluding to, but we are eventually going to go
so far towards this censorship shit that it's
going to come back around and have to be all
of it negated. Because I feel like the way we're
going, you're going to go back to a point to
where it's going to be a paper document only
system at some point. We're eventually going
to have to say, you know what? No more digital,
no more nothing. Yep. Full circle. Involved with
this. Because it's going to be so easy to manipulate
with AI. So easy. Are you kidding me? Especially,
I don't know if you guys know, once AI figures
out... Oh, sorry, you go. Oh, sorry. I was going
to say, until they get the whole quantum computer
stuff standardized, yeah, AI could totally mess
with everything. Oh, yeah. And especially once
AI figures out how to generate barcodes, that's
one of the big things. Once they get the barcodes
right on IDs and stuff like that... That's all
the verification. They can make a real ID and
do everything. You can be anybody. There is no
limitation. Especially if you're one of those
people that's very generic looking. You're one
of those people that's just like, wow, there's
like 97 of you I met in my life. Those people
are going to be fucking dangerous. So, I don't
know. It's just going to be a wild, wild west.
That's terrifying. Don't be watching explicit
content and giving away your ID because people
be watching, people be knowing. Don't do that.
You know, that's going to take us back to the
days of downloading the stuff. Yeah, now hard
drive prices are going to go up again. Right?
They've been so cheap for so long. Buy them now
and stock up. But the difference will be is you
won't be stuck with, you know, what, a megabyte
a second? you know 56k modem speeds and all that
when you sit there and wait 20 minutes for a
picture to download just be like and you get
excited i think i i think i see a nipple i think
i see oh boy here comes the other question are
they are the government is the government going
to go after vpn companies because in england
from what i saw because of all these laws people
are signing up to vpns by the millions Because,
you know, God forbid you take away people's pornography,
you know. Speaking of taking away porn, I don't
know how true this is. I just saw something today
and it may have been an older video. Something
about a bill being introduced to ban all porn
in the U .S. Yeah, there's some crazy Republican
moron who's decided that it's going to be a hill
he's going to die on. I don't know if he's doing
it as a spoof or if he's just doing it because
he's letting religion run his ethics. But I did
see that. There's a way to go about it, and I
feel like in typical Republican fashion, they
have no idea about how to message and make that
an understandable thing. It's one thing if they
said, hey, maybe we got to make it so children
can't access this stuff. And that I feel like
is kind of where the line is. But if you're a
consenting adult, That that's your choice. It's
no different than walking to a strip club or
going to an explosive shop or anything else like
that. However, conversely, if they want kids
to stop accessing it, make there be penalties
for kids accessing that, that the parents got
to fucking pay for. Give the law some teeth on
that one. Cause not for nothing. The, again,
I, I cannot believe the shit that I would hear
from like, cause I have a little sister and some
of her friends, they were young and they were
getting ahold of stuff. Those like good fucking
Lord. No, That's not OK. But many of their parents
just didn't care. They're like, well, they're
going to get access to it anyway. It's like,
no, that's fucking disgusting. Like, no, no,
they're not old enough to handle that. Yeah.
So in regards to the senator that it was, excuse
me, it was a senator that Mike Lee was billed
for. Yes, Mike Lee. He's from Utah, which totally
makes sense. So he's using. religion to back
his ethos and it also takes aim at trans people
how so well because of the whole obscenity clause
because so many people that are highly orthodox
religious people feel that the trans population
is obscene in some way No, no. I just feel like
there's a lot of closet gay people in Utah. I'm
just going to throw that one out there. I don't
feel like it's that they're more obscene than
any other group. I just feel like there's a lot
of straight guys in Utah searching up penises.
They just don't want to admit it. Yeah, there's
probably that, too. But yeah, they don't want
to like Amazon to stop selling trans themed children's
book, ban trans students from school sports,
intentionally misgendering, you know, things
like that. And. In some things, I can understand
the concern, but to sit there and outright say
we need to do a ban is dumb. Yes. You know, the
moment we sit there and start doing book burnings
and banning things, then we're no better than
some of the countries we fought and beat back
in the day. Yeah. It should be. Oh, sorry. No,
I was going to just kind of like at that point,
I'm just kind of grumbling because I've got books
that. My wife and I have bought because, you
know, schools were banning it. I know there was
one guy that his book was it was cute and was
talking about an alternate lifestyle family.
And it was it was innocent book. It was not going
out of its way to corrupt anybody. It's just
talking about yet another form of family. And
I'm a very conservative person. But even I was
looking at this book going, you know. it's not
that bad, you know, cause there are different
types of families out there. And for some way,
like Senator Mike Lee to sit there and go, you
know, these things are obscene. We shouldn't
man fool. No, no, it's, it is very weird hill
to die on, especially when it seems like he has
a more of a problem of the over -sexualization
rather than just people like identifying a certain
way. I, I, I, that that's always been the problem
with the messaging on the republican party has
been like hey if you just message this correctly
most people be behind you but instead you're
not coming across very well and you're not getting
your point right because quite frankly you don't
give enough of a damn to actually take five minutes
and fucking learn something because i don't know
i guess some people hit a certain age and all
of a sudden like yep new information i'm fucking
allergic to that shit like i don't know it i
don't understand it so yeah i mean you know i
was gonna also put in you know If we were going
from the sideline of like the parades and stuff
like in Washington, D .C., you have, you know,
the gay and lesbian, transgender, however, the
alphabet people having their parade once a year.
Nothing wrong with it until you see some of the
stuff that's put out in public. The normal stuff
that would normally on any other day get you
arrested immediately for indecent exposure. And
they're walking around like it's normal. Right.
You know, you have small children being brought
to this parade while you've got some dude dressed
as a chick with some giant dildo hanging out
and they're flagging them around like it's, you
know, you know, the Macy's Day Parade and trying
to act like that's normal. See, that should be
treated no different like any other day. Like
that, that's it. Laws are laws. Apply it equally.
Right. And to me, it's like, again, if you just
acted like just everyone else, like, okay, guess
what? You want to dress like a woman, dress like
a woman. But understand there's certain aspects
that you're not going to sit there and shove
down someone's throat. I have family. They're
gay. They're lesbian. And even they're looking
at some of these people going, what the fuck?
I find it interesting that. A senator from the
soaking capital of the U .S. is trying to ban
stuff like that. Also, the out -of -touch stuff.
Look at Texas. They just banned pot. Really?
Yeah. Why? Because it's bad. But, like... Well,
look at your state. The people voted for it,
and they're trying to re -ban it. Oh, that's
our idiot governor, and he's going to be out
of office soon. Yeah, I'm just saying. The Republicans
keep picking the weirdest fucking hills to die
on. They can't leave the will of the people alone.
And this goes for every candidate, both sides
of the aisle. Follow the will of the people and
you'll be fine. Period. When the majority said
X, Y, and Z, this is how we voted. This is what
we want. Everyone else sitting there in the minority
screaming, no, no, no, you can't do that. That's
not PC or no, this is wrong. Sorry, the way this
country works is the majority wins. Not supposed
to be. Yeah. So if the majority goes, we want
pot, you know what? You listen to your constituents
and go, I guess this is what my constituents
want. So this is the way I'm going to have to
vote. Because that's all you are, is to represent.
You're not in charge in charge. You're just the
guy that's at the front of the line going, okay,
this is what everyone's voting for. So this is
the way I'm going to go. Not the Democrats going,
oh, well, you know, everybody wanted this, but
you know what? Scrum, we're still going to do
this because we know we're right. Bold of you
to assume that politicians should be beholden
to the people that vote them in office. Oh, yeah.
How dare you? Nay, nay, sir. Nay, nay. Yeah,
I know. We say nay, nay. Nay, nay. Watching politicians
for over 13 years in D .C. do whatever the hell
they want. Gross. Disgusting. They're never held
accountable. Never are. No. Why would they? They
don't have a social credit system. Oh, yeah.
And DC Council, all that. I mean, these people
are so not held accountable that you pull one
of those fools over. By the time you're done
with that traffic stop, let me tell you, you're
going to have multiple calls or told on the radio,
give me a call. And then you're getting a tongue
lashing. Why the hell did you pull that person
over? Promise. Oh, it's not going to be as nice
as you think it is. I'd rather enjoy the last
tongue lashing I got. No, it won't be nice like
that. And it's going to be a lot worse than the
sandpaper condom that the military likes to provide.
I miss those days. I'm surprised they provided
condoms. Well, they had to come up with some
form of resistance. Well, they had to prevent
the spread of the lion's main genital warts.
Oh. Yeah. Because after a while, when you're
told to bend over, you know, it does get loose,
so they had to come up with another form of punishment
to go with it. Oh, jeez. Sandpaper butt plugs.
Right. Oh, my God. We broke kids. Yes. One, two,
three. Toasty. Same people about plugs when the
itch is just that deep. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's
a good tagline for that. Oh, there's something
else for the merch store. Oh, no. Oh, yes. Just
like that, too, for the commercial. Okay, I got
to write that one down. That's awesome. Jesus
Christ. Oh. You know, we're a weird bunch. Yes,
we are. And I wouldn't have it any other way.
That's true. Being normal is boring. Exactly.
Round Bob normal pants is what you get. I'm only
that way when I start talking to somebody new
and on a couple dates and then, you know, the
pants come off and I'm like this. I can't say
those words on the podcast, but I have many questions.
The problem is you said, and I quote, I'm like
this, and mind you, the picture behind you is
a chicken with arms holding a machete. So, I
don't know. No, it's a short sword, not a machete.
It's a short sword. Get it right. I'm sorry.
It's Maximus Cockamus. Biggest dickus. I have
a friend in Rome called Biggest Dickus. Monty
Python. Indubitably. I wish Monty Python came
back. I know it's like a short aside, but we
need humor like that again. God. Yeah. We need
better things coming out of Europe than Black
Mirror coming to life. Yeah. They're just trying
to scare everybody. Dude, now that you mention
it, is anything positive come out of Europe in
the last 20 years? There hasn't been any movies,
like any TV shows, really? I will say, I did
find one show that I really liked. It was Mrs.
Brown. Mrs. Brown's Boys, or however you call
that show. I really enjoyed that one. I'm not
going to get into the political diatribe here
on the podcast, but the things coming out of
Europe now are worrisome. And I don't know if
you guys know what I'm talking about, but...
It is scary. And it's something that we may have
to address one day. But I don't know. There's
a lot of research. It's not all the refugees
trying to rape more women, is it? Well, that's
part of it. Come on. A little bit of a spoiler
on that one. Damn. A little bit of a spoiler
on that one. That was a guess. Well, I do want
to, like, not to bring up anything political,
but I do want to see how Poland's going to look
six months from now versus the rest of Europe,
because they've done some very anti -European
things. Aggressive. Yes. Some very more conservative,
I think, stuff that they've been doing. European
Texas. That is the best description of Poland.
Oh, yeah. They're turning into Little Texas right
there. Yeah. So I'm very curious to see how they're
going to look, what the data's going to show.
Yeah. But that's I don't want to discuss it too
much because that's going to be a whole different
episode that we got to dive into and do some
research on. This is a lot happening in Europe
right now, particularly in England. I am so sorry.
Yeah. Yeah. England, I know we kicked your ass
a couple hundred years ago, but we stand with
you and we're you have our heartfelt sympathies
for the way that your country is getting taken.
I am. I am so sorry. They're jailing people for.
putting music lyric quotes on Facebook. Oh, I
know, right? You know, the Puritans came to the
US. I'm trying to figure out how they ended up
back in Britain. I don't know. I really don't
know. Yeah. Alright, so we're pretty much...
Any other comments on the previous topics? Social
credit bad. Don't let it happen. What? If you
are not someone who is active, this is probably
the one thing that you would need to get involved
with and call Congress people, Senator folk.
Yes. I've already done that. Yeah. If it comes
out to there's an actual protest on this shit,
do not let the gauge system come to your neck
of the woods. It is. Completely bad to the core.
Yeah. It doesn't even have to be Gage. It's whatever
they named. Yeah, any kind of social credit system,
period, is not an American benefit. Not for the
American people, not for the American workers,
not for the country as a whole. Go ahead, Gibbs.
Sir, what I was going to say is we're going to
have to push for... Anti -social credit score
legislation, as well as I hope people need to
do some research before you apply for jobs or
any jobs in your area that are requiring those.
You should make it public on Facebook groups,
Instagram groups, shame those companies, make
it public, make them aware. And I would even
go as so far as I might even fake apply to these
jobs to go there and waste their fucking time
just to tell them, hey, this is some communist
bullshit. And I'm telling everyone I know to
stay the fuck away from your company. Don't fucking
do this. And I feel like if we got enough people
together and had these companies where they spend
hours a day going through all of our resumes
that we keep making because we can keep using
AI and I keep this shit up all day, buddy. Maybe
they'll change. And maybe that's the point. Make
them lose so much money. So what was the phrase
that I said during GameStocks? We can remain
stupid longer than they can remain solvent. So
let's. Yeah. Let's do that. Let's at this point
make it so it's so insanely non -profitable for
them to do this that they can't keep it up. Yeah,
I'll let someone borrow the brain so I do that.
So that way I just let the autism take over.
Yeah. Deny them the Viagra. Don't let them keep
it up. Yeah. Just like my shirt says tonight,
we will exist out of spite. But I'm happy. Yes.
My shirt doesn't say anything cool. I can't really
contribute on that one. Yeah. Mine is just Patrick
getting the drink on. Oh, I'm Patrick. I got
mine from Mandatory Fun Day. Oh, man. So. I guess
that brings us to the end of the. Are we going
to call this a season? Yeah, that's what I was
kind of thinking. A season of fun, a season of
learning. The end of season one. We've learned
a lot. We went way farther than what we expected,
to be honest. Hell yeah. Thousands and thousands
of views, tens of thousands of impressions and
stuff like that. A lot of different countries.
I don't know the exact number right now, but
we had a ton of different countries. 15 different
countries. No kidding. It went much farther than
what we expected. I do really appreciate everybody
that's checked in, that's been a part of this,
that's been listening. We're not going away permanently.
This is not a goodbye. This is just a temporary
hiatus just so we can figure out some stuff and
come back even stronger. Because as I will admit,
I got to get my life in order and get social
media stuff rolling. And, you know, we just kind
of want to, I guess, make things more efficient
and also be able to do more. And that's kind
of the other the other big thing we're excited
for is, well, we might talk about crapping on
AI a lot, but we can't beat him. Join him. You
know? Yeah. And we're going to I know we kind
of hinted at a big episode and we decided to
hold off on it. Because there is just too much
to learn and there was not enough time to do
it while still trying to put out the episodes
that we were trying to do. So when we come back,
we are going to hit the ground running with an
absolutely banger of an episode as long as we
can get this shit figured out. We might have
to actually hire some help to get this shit done.
I'm hoping not. But it's going to be... a great
episode when we come back. So hopefully it's
not very long. I think October at the latest,
it should be. Uh, I know Gibbs is the one with
a lot of the, uh, time commitment issues. Uh,
he's, he's very overextended. Uh, his, he's,
he's going to come back and popular man. And
he's probably going to be kind of consensually.
This is not consensually. This is, this is just,
yeah. Remember the safe word, Gibbs? Pineapple.
Got it. Yeah. And Gibles, we're looking forward
to having you on board going forward, buddy.
Sounds good. Got messed up on coming in at the
end going, oh, yeah, we're taking a break. Bye.
She's using the royal we on that one. Yeah. Welcome
to the group. Bye. Yeah. No, that's just a good
way to get your feet wet on being a main chair
in this. Wet. When we come back, you'll be right
here with us. So thank you again to everybody
that's helped us get this far. We literally could
not have done it without you. And we can't wait
to see you when we get back. So thanks again.
We love you. And. We'll see you all soon.