WEBVTT 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:03.940 Join us on Now We Consume. Take in the knowledge, 00:00:04.160 --> 00:00:07.240 take in the laughs, indulge in the topics with 00:00:07.240 --> 00:00:10.839 us. The Now We Consume podcast will take you 00:00:10.839 --> 00:00:13.160 through the parts of your day you normally dread. 00:00:13.779 --> 00:00:16.559 Why suffer through the existential crisis of 00:00:16.559 --> 00:00:20.120 life alone when you can do it with us? And now 00:00:20.120 --> 00:00:28.480 we consume. So this is Pip from Now We Consume. 00:00:28.960 --> 00:00:30.559 and we're going to do a little special segment 00:00:30.559 --> 00:00:35.079 with some friends of mine. We're going to call 00:00:35.079 --> 00:00:40.719 this Ask Gen Z. I'm here with my son Josh, his 00:00:40.719 --> 00:00:45.140 friend Ian, Cade, and Sam. Do you want to go 00:00:45.140 --> 00:00:47.719 Sam, Samara? What do you want? Just Sam, okay. 00:00:50.259 --> 00:00:51.960 Given everything that's been going on in the 00:00:51.960 --> 00:00:55.259 world, I thought it would be fun to get the opinion 00:00:55.259 --> 00:01:00.179 of... some younger people and get their thoughts 00:01:00.179 --> 00:01:02.820 on things. So the first question that I wanted 00:01:02.820 --> 00:01:06.620 to ask was the general thoughts on the Middle 00:01:06.620 --> 00:01:10.040 East situation and any possible escalations to 00:01:10.040 --> 00:01:13.040 World War III. So, Josh, we'll start with you. 00:01:15.079 --> 00:01:18.180 I don't really have too many thoughts. I'm not 00:01:18.180 --> 00:01:20.299 really well -versed in this enough to give a 00:01:20.299 --> 00:01:23.400 serious opinion, but I am worried more like on 00:01:23.400 --> 00:01:26.060 the side of my family, how this could affect 00:01:26.060 --> 00:01:29.700 them. and things like that uh exclusion to world 00:01:29.700 --> 00:01:31.680 war three is a little bit terrifying because 00:01:31.680 --> 00:01:34.920 if i'm getting drafted i'm losing a foot so i 00:01:34.920 --> 00:01:40.439 mean just full honesty ian your thoughts i mean 00:01:40.439 --> 00:01:42.920 yeah i mean it's basically just the same things 00:01:42.920 --> 00:01:46.379 that josh said yeah it's just like i don't really 00:01:46.379 --> 00:01:49.519 have enough information to truly have an opinion 00:01:49.519 --> 00:01:52.879 on what is going on but for the most part yeah 00:01:52.879 --> 00:01:56.890 i am worried about My family, everything going 00:01:56.890 --> 00:02:00.129 on. I am worried about the state of the country 00:02:00.129 --> 00:02:03.569 for sure, what's going to happen. The economy 00:02:03.569 --> 00:02:06.810 is already a little crazy right now. So for the 00:02:06.810 --> 00:02:11.569 most part, I'm just hoping for a bright future, 00:02:11.650 --> 00:02:17.250 I guess. Yeah, that's about it. I was about to 00:02:17.250 --> 00:02:21.949 say, that was a good point, Ian. My whole thoughts 00:02:21.949 --> 00:02:25.000 on the Middle East is, Like, the whole conflict 00:02:25.000 --> 00:02:28.719 is just, we don't really need to be in it. We 00:02:28.719 --> 00:02:30.680 shouldn't have gotten involved. We should have 00:02:30.680 --> 00:02:33.419 stayed here and dealt with stuff that is on our 00:02:33.419 --> 00:02:39.620 soil and not out. Like, they didn't even involve 00:02:39.620 --> 00:02:43.300 us. They didn't attack us. They just, we got 00:02:43.300 --> 00:02:49.879 involved for no reason. So, on that, let me, 00:02:49.960 --> 00:02:52.780 and yes, Sam, I will give it to you if you don't 00:02:52.780 --> 00:02:56.449 want it. Okay. So let me ask you a counter on 00:02:56.449 --> 00:03:00.430 that. Iran has been seen as a bully nation. So 00:03:00.430 --> 00:03:04.050 allowing them to get a nuke, would that change 00:03:04.050 --> 00:03:08.150 your opinion in the idea that if they got a nuke, 00:03:08.270 --> 00:03:10.949 they would just bully their way into a bigger 00:03:10.949 --> 00:03:17.770 seat on the world stage? I don't think they would. 00:03:18.490 --> 00:03:21.449 Like if they had access to a nuke, I don't think 00:03:21.449 --> 00:03:26.509 they would intentionally. like use it well if 00:03:26.509 --> 00:03:30.610 they given the given a reason they would okay 00:03:30.610 --> 00:03:32.370 i definitely feel like i have to step in a little 00:03:32.370 --> 00:03:35.490 bit okay so like yeah so yeah if they were to 00:03:35.490 --> 00:03:37.629 get a hold of a nuke but at the same time like 00:03:37.629 --> 00:03:40.169 we're dealing with hypotheticals now and hypotheticals 00:03:40.169 --> 00:03:43.909 can be extremely dangerous for any circumstance 00:03:43.909 --> 00:03:46.250 especially when it comes to a country gaining 00:03:46.250 --> 00:03:50.189 more power so that's very difficult to deal with 00:03:50.189 --> 00:03:53.189 if like they were to get a hold of a nuke, and 00:03:53.189 --> 00:03:55.270 then we just start jumping to hypotheticals of, 00:03:55.310 --> 00:03:58.110 like, oh, they might use this against us. And 00:03:58.110 --> 00:04:00.729 so it is really dangerous to start, like, doing 00:04:00.729 --> 00:04:03.050 that. But I definitely understand the worry and 00:04:03.050 --> 00:04:05.949 concern for sure. So, yeah, I mean, that's just 00:04:05.949 --> 00:04:09.710 what I had to say. I mean, you could really do 00:04:09.710 --> 00:04:11.550 a hypothetical along with any other country. 00:04:11.610 --> 00:04:15.150 Let's say, I don't know, Switzerland got 16 nukes 00:04:15.150 --> 00:04:17.670 all at once. Would they bomb everyone else to 00:04:17.670 --> 00:04:21.240 gain control? It's... It's all like, you know, 00:04:21.240 --> 00:04:24.660 a massive what if. But do I think that they might 00:04:24.660 --> 00:04:27.120 threaten people with it? Possibly. I mean, Iran 00:04:27.120 --> 00:04:30.540 has always been kind of a problem country as 00:04:30.540 --> 00:04:36.079 well as Iraq. You know, we always hear things 00:04:36.079 --> 00:04:39.399 like, oh, Iraq bombed Iran again or something 00:04:39.399 --> 00:04:44.040 like that. So it really, we'll have to see. Going 00:04:44.040 --> 00:04:48.790 back to what Ian said. I feel like this is now 00:04:48.790 --> 00:04:51.870 boiling down to more of a Cold War situation 00:04:51.870 --> 00:04:55.610 of the what -ifs. That's just how it's boiling 00:04:55.610 --> 00:04:58.170 down is just to what -ifs. Because yes, if they 00:04:58.170 --> 00:05:03.189 do get access to nukes, then I feel like Josh 00:05:03.189 --> 00:05:05.709 even said what -ifs. If we're getting to the 00:05:05.709 --> 00:05:10.790 what -ifs, then it's just Cold War to me. I will 00:05:10.790 --> 00:05:17.879 agree with the Cold War side. That's actually 00:05:17.879 --> 00:05:20.060 a point that I had personally never considered, 00:05:20.180 --> 00:05:23.040 was that we're now entering the Cold War, essentially, 00:05:23.139 --> 00:05:27.160 for the Middle East. One thing that I can say 00:05:27.160 --> 00:05:32.180 is that Iran, having been a country that has 00:05:32.180 --> 00:05:36.079 always sponsored terrorism, allowing them to 00:05:36.079 --> 00:05:38.839 get nukes, they will use them just because they 00:05:38.839 --> 00:05:41.779 have them. And it's been their stance for many 00:05:41.779 --> 00:05:45.800 years. So them chasing nuclear weapons has been... 00:05:46.560 --> 00:05:50.040 a reason for us to get involved in the Middle 00:05:50.040 --> 00:05:53.360 East for a long time and to support Israel. That's 00:05:53.360 --> 00:05:56.319 why we've been on their side for so long. Iran 00:05:56.319 --> 00:05:58.399 would use them if they got them, and that's been 00:05:58.399 --> 00:06:02.420 the bottom line. So we can move on to the second 00:06:02.420 --> 00:06:05.060 one. I think we kind of hit that one pretty good. 00:06:06.220 --> 00:06:14.079 Still nothing from you? No? Okay. All right, 00:06:14.139 --> 00:06:17.769 so the next question. If you were drafted or 00:06:17.769 --> 00:06:23.629 asked to fight, would Gen Z actually fight? Or 00:06:23.629 --> 00:06:26.870 could they even actually fight? And in a war 00:06:26.870 --> 00:06:31.170 scenario, would Gen Z, could Gen Z actually fight? 00:06:31.269 --> 00:06:34.620 I'll let you take the first one here, Sam. Sorry. 00:06:34.759 --> 00:06:38.339 Okay, so I personally think that Gen Z would 00:06:38.339 --> 00:06:40.699 definitely fight back because they have fought 00:06:40.699 --> 00:06:42.740 back for many, many different things already. 00:06:43.259 --> 00:06:46.459 And they're not even hit their 30s yet. Everybody 00:06:46.459 --> 00:06:49.939 in Gen Z is still young, and they have fought 00:06:49.939 --> 00:06:52.720 back for so many things. There were riots and 00:06:52.720 --> 00:06:55.620 everything back in 2020, and there were always 00:06:55.620 --> 00:06:58.740 protests and everything still going on. Whenever 00:06:58.740 --> 00:07:02.060 they took Roe v. Wade, there was a bunch of... 00:07:02.430 --> 00:07:05.290 of protests going on with that because obviously 00:07:05.290 --> 00:07:07.970 it's women's rights like who's obviously we would 00:07:07.970 --> 00:07:12.250 fight for that and um i think that if we had 00:07:12.250 --> 00:07:13.769 to fight in a war we definitely could because 00:07:13.769 --> 00:07:16.470 i think we are so unhinged that we could just 00:07:16.470 --> 00:07:18.990 like go ham and just like not really think about 00:07:18.990 --> 00:07:22.990 it and that's just my take on it i i also agree 00:07:22.990 --> 00:07:26.050 with that um i i will give the mic to the guys 00:07:26.050 --> 00:07:28.810 but i i have to say i love some of the memes 00:07:28.810 --> 00:07:31.769 that i've seen especially like the world war 00:07:31.769 --> 00:07:35.189 three outfits, like the, I eat ass t -shirt and 00:07:35.189 --> 00:07:38.290 the Hawaiian shorts absolutely would rock that 00:07:38.290 --> 00:07:42.629 shit. So, so like the whole, like world, world 00:07:42.629 --> 00:07:45.470 war three, like outfits. I've not, I have not 00:07:45.470 --> 00:07:47.550 actually seen any of those. That's, that's funny. 00:07:47.970 --> 00:07:52.670 Um, but would Gen Z fight? I feel like it just 00:07:52.670 --> 00:07:57.569 depends like maybe out in like LA, maybe they, 00:07:57.629 --> 00:08:00.709 maybe they'd fight. But I feel like more towards 00:08:00.709 --> 00:08:03.250 like Appalachia, like where the rednecks live 00:08:03.250 --> 00:08:07.550 mostly, would fight. And not to get political 00:08:07.550 --> 00:08:11.389 here, but the snow cone blue haired liberals 00:08:11.389 --> 00:08:20.310 probably won't stand up to fight. Regarding if 00:08:20.310 --> 00:08:22.790 they would, I'm sure they would. We have many 00:08:22.790 --> 00:08:26.250 climate change activists who are in their early 00:08:26.250 --> 00:08:29.759 teens, let's say Greta Thunberg. Autumn Peltier, 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:32.559 you know, they're young and still trying to fight 00:08:32.559 --> 00:08:35.759 for the world to make Earth better for animals, 00:08:35.879 --> 00:08:38.580 better for us. So I'm sure there are many like 00:08:38.580 --> 00:08:40.799 -minded people who would like to go fight, you 00:08:40.799 --> 00:08:43.000 know, represent their country, you know, the 00:08:43.000 --> 00:08:46.720 world they live in. Because along with war, you 00:08:46.720 --> 00:08:49.139 have all those explosions, you have all those 00:08:49.139 --> 00:08:51.960 factories also doing damage to the climate. And 00:08:51.960 --> 00:08:53.799 I'm sure, you know, once that starts happening, 00:08:53.840 --> 00:08:56.559 it would start, you know, getting a lot of voices 00:08:56.559 --> 00:08:59.919 involved. Now, could they fight? I don't know. 00:08:59.960 --> 00:09:02.940 I've seen some big dudes, and if I saw them going 00:09:02.940 --> 00:09:05.120 to a front line, I'd give up immediately. I'm 00:09:05.120 --> 00:09:07.720 waving the white flag. I have a friend who's 00:09:07.720 --> 00:09:11.519 about 300 pounds and 5 '5". He ain't sprinting 00:09:11.519 --> 00:09:14.080 a 10 -mile dash. Sure, you can hand him a rifle 00:09:14.080 --> 00:09:15.759 and put him on a front line. He'd be good to 00:09:15.759 --> 00:09:18.340 knock out a guy or two. But you ask him to go 00:09:18.340 --> 00:09:20.179 dig a trench, he's getting tired after one swing. 00:09:21.860 --> 00:09:24.419 The way that I'm thinking about it is thinking 00:09:24.419 --> 00:09:28.379 about if Gen Z... how they would feel if they 00:09:28.379 --> 00:09:32.259 got drafted. It's just very difficult to think 00:09:32.259 --> 00:09:35.620 about because you're going into the human psyche 00:09:35.620 --> 00:09:38.639 of just, when you get handed those draft papers, 00:09:38.879 --> 00:09:43.279 you're essentially, it's not really like you're 00:09:43.279 --> 00:09:46.940 going to die, but there's a strong possibility 00:09:46.940 --> 00:09:51.059 of death. going into war. And I think that a 00:09:51.059 --> 00:09:54.240 lot of people would just think about it as they're 00:09:54.240 --> 00:09:57.559 basically signing themselves to die. And I don't 00:09:57.559 --> 00:09:59.940 think that most people would probably be comfortable 00:09:59.940 --> 00:10:04.259 with that. I mean, it's, I don't know, it's just 00:10:04.259 --> 00:10:07.539 a very tricky situation. I think that, yeah, 00:10:07.600 --> 00:10:09.159 there are a lot of people that would fight to 00:10:09.159 --> 00:10:11.759 not get drafted. There are a lot of other people 00:10:11.759 --> 00:10:14.460 that would probably, you know, either jump at 00:10:14.460 --> 00:10:16.620 the gun or they would just bite the bullet and 00:10:16.620 --> 00:10:19.899 go. I definitely think that there's, you know, 00:10:19.940 --> 00:10:22.320 it's like a 50 -50 at that. It's like a coin 00:10:22.320 --> 00:10:24.899 toss. Do I think that they could fight if they 00:10:24.899 --> 00:10:28.940 went? Yeah, for sure. I think that most human 00:10:28.940 --> 00:10:32.220 beings have the will strength. Now, do they have 00:10:32.220 --> 00:10:36.899 the strength to fight? A lot of people can't 00:10:36.899 --> 00:10:41.620 even do a pull -up, so I don't know. Give them 00:10:41.620 --> 00:10:44.759 a few months, probably, but I think they might 00:10:44.759 --> 00:10:50.639 have it. Going back to what you said about getting 00:10:50.639 --> 00:10:54.419 the draft papers in hand, I feel like that's 00:10:54.419 --> 00:11:00.679 very Vietnam. Just getting the papers in, I feel 00:11:00.679 --> 00:11:04.379 like we're going to see a lot more people try 00:11:04.379 --> 00:11:09.200 to fight against going to this war if we were 00:11:09.200 --> 00:11:12.379 to have one. Like Vietnam, I feel like they just 00:11:12.379 --> 00:11:15.200 burn their draft papers or try to forget about 00:11:15.200 --> 00:11:22.279 it and go out of the country to escape it. But 00:11:22.279 --> 00:11:25.659 do I think we could fight? Like you said, 50 00:11:25.659 --> 00:11:31.960 -50, but my guess is I don't think we'd all want 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:38.879 to go. Yeah, that's a lot of good points. The 00:11:38.879 --> 00:11:42.080 comment on the human snow cones was spot on. 00:11:42.799 --> 00:11:45.000 I think they would literally lose their mind, 00:11:45.059 --> 00:11:47.000 and those would be the ones that would head to 00:11:47.000 --> 00:11:50.480 Canada, I think, most likely. Burning the draft 00:11:50.480 --> 00:11:52.940 cards, I think we would see a lot of that. I 00:11:52.940 --> 00:11:54.799 don't think we still have the draft cards. I 00:11:54.799 --> 00:11:57.200 know I don't physically have my draft card, but 00:11:57.200 --> 00:11:59.840 I also already served, so I don't have to worry 00:11:59.840 --> 00:12:01.179 about it. I'm not eligible for recall anymore. 00:12:03.480 --> 00:12:12.269 Yes, I have avoided that. But the, the capabilities 00:12:12.269 --> 00:12:14.490 I think are a little bit different, but like, 00:12:14.529 --> 00:12:18.750 I like what you said, Ian, about the, the finality, 00:12:18.850 --> 00:12:22.750 the possibility of finality of seeing your name 00:12:22.750 --> 00:12:27.190 on that paper. It is similar when you're volunteering 00:12:27.190 --> 00:12:32.549 during wartime. Now, when I went in, it was peacetime. 00:12:32.610 --> 00:12:34.470 There was nothing going on in the world. There 00:12:34.470 --> 00:12:38.250 was some shit, but. I graduated boot camp the 00:12:38.250 --> 00:12:41.850 weekend prior to 9 -11. So I was still there 00:12:41.850 --> 00:12:45.710 at my boot camp when 9 -11 happened. So literally, 00:12:45.789 --> 00:12:51.309 my whole enlistment trajectory changed. So I 00:12:51.309 --> 00:12:57.389 went in during no war, and nine weeks later, 00:12:57.509 --> 00:13:01.409 we were going off to fucking war. And we were 00:13:01.409 --> 00:13:05.470 ready for it. But we'll go ahead and move to 00:13:05.470 --> 00:13:09.169 the next one. Are you guys worried about the 00:13:09.169 --> 00:13:12.110 conflict coming to American soil at all? There's 00:13:12.110 --> 00:13:14.970 been some talk about different styles of lone 00:13:14.970 --> 00:13:18.129 wolf type attacks happening, opening the gates 00:13:18.129 --> 00:13:21.509 to allow soldiers from other countries to flood 00:13:21.509 --> 00:13:24.009 in, from southern border, from the northern border, 00:13:24.110 --> 00:13:28.169 from other coastlines. So if that were to happen... 00:13:28.809 --> 00:13:32.309 Do you think we would have much resistance from 00:13:32.309 --> 00:13:35.309 the American citizenry? Do you think that they 00:13:35.309 --> 00:13:37.950 would be successful at all? Do you think we would 00:13:37.950 --> 00:13:41.409 just run into more L .A. style, no, we have to 00:13:41.409 --> 00:13:45.250 welcome them kind of things? I could definitely 00:13:45.250 --> 00:13:47.169 see that happening. People from the north and 00:13:47.169 --> 00:13:49.070 south coming in. I don't know about Canadians. 00:13:49.450 --> 00:13:51.309 I don't know how good Rockies are going to do 00:13:51.309 --> 00:13:55.509 on a full -on tank. Shout out Canadians. We definitely 00:13:55.509 --> 00:13:58.629 could see other soldiers coming in. If it gets 00:13:58.629 --> 00:14:01.570 that bad, depending on how they want to hit, 00:14:01.629 --> 00:14:03.889 maybe they want to get Canada out of the play 00:14:03.889 --> 00:14:06.210 early or get Mexico out of the play early by 00:14:06.210 --> 00:14:12.370 getting attacks there. But otherwise, it's a 00:14:12.370 --> 00:14:17.870 mixed situation. Yeah, I mean, what you said, 00:14:17.929 --> 00:14:22.330 do I think that they could get on American soil 00:14:22.330 --> 00:14:25.690 and try and fight here? Yes, but do I think that 00:14:25.690 --> 00:14:28.909 they would be successful? absolutely not because 00:14:28.909 --> 00:14:32.110 i think that what was it like on average like 00:14:32.110 --> 00:14:34.490 every american has like what like in some states 00:14:34.490 --> 00:14:37.210 average american has like three yet three guns 00:14:37.210 --> 00:14:39.230 in their house like i feel like it'd be very 00:14:39.230 --> 00:14:43.669 hard to try and invade while you know a lot of 00:14:43.669 --> 00:14:46.429 americans a majority of them have you know a 00:14:46.429 --> 00:14:48.389 firearm in their house and can defend themselves 00:14:48.389 --> 00:14:52.580 for the most part you know What if they start 00:14:52.580 --> 00:14:54.940 that invasion during the week between 9 and 5, 00:14:55.139 --> 00:14:57.879 when most of the armed Americans are at work? 00:15:01.259 --> 00:15:03.799 You know, that would be like the smartest strategic 00:15:03.799 --> 00:15:06.940 plan in the universe. And I would just have to 00:15:06.940 --> 00:15:08.700 applaud them for that, honestly, if they did 00:15:08.700 --> 00:15:13.039 that, honestly. So I would say that North and 00:15:13.039 --> 00:15:16.690 South, if they were to try to attack us... I 00:15:16.690 --> 00:15:18.529 don't think they would be successful because 00:15:18.529 --> 00:15:20.929 we'd have home, like home field advantage. Like 00:15:20.929 --> 00:15:24.870 we know like our roads are our area, our regions 00:15:24.870 --> 00:15:28.590 better than they would, but do like going back 00:15:28.590 --> 00:15:30.710 to what you said, like, wouldn't there be like 00:15:30.710 --> 00:15:33.190 more like LA where they're like, Oh, well we 00:15:33.190 --> 00:15:35.769 like, we'll take you some regions. I feel like 00:15:35.769 --> 00:15:37.750 would end up doing that. But others would be 00:15:37.750 --> 00:15:39.889 like, no, this is our, like, this is our country. 00:15:39.950 --> 00:15:43.080 We're not going to let you take it from us. Okay, 00:15:43.139 --> 00:15:45.580 if they were to happen to come in during the 00:15:45.580 --> 00:15:47.759 9 -to -5, I personally think that their children 00:15:47.759 --> 00:15:49.820 would still fight back because I learned how 00:15:49.820 --> 00:15:51.899 to shoot a gun at the ripe age of two years old, 00:15:52.039 --> 00:15:54.919 so I don't think that that would matter personally 00:15:54.919 --> 00:15:57.399 because if it's summertime, your kids are at 00:15:57.399 --> 00:16:02.220 home, they're going to shoot him or her or whoever 00:16:02.220 --> 00:16:06.840 is trying to invade their house. So that's assuming 00:16:06.840 --> 00:16:09.000 they can hear them over the headsets while they're 00:16:09.000 --> 00:16:12.659 playing Fortnite. One other thing to consider, 00:16:12.779 --> 00:16:20.720 Russia, China, even Iran, all have containerized 00:16:20.720 --> 00:16:24.460 missiles that they have fired from cargo ships 00:16:24.460 --> 00:16:27.440 to soften up defenses. We do not have an Iron 00:16:27.440 --> 00:16:31.120 Dome system like you were talking about. We do 00:16:31.120 --> 00:16:33.200 not have anything in place to stop those missiles 00:16:33.200 --> 00:16:36.879 from hitting. Russia has nuclear -capable ballistic 00:16:36.879 --> 00:16:40.320 missiles that are in containers. They've already 00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:45.940 tested them. The coasts represent the most liberal 00:16:45.940 --> 00:16:49.500 and anti -gun sections of the country, minus 00:16:49.500 --> 00:16:53.559 some of the interior states. Any kind of a ground 00:16:53.559 --> 00:16:56.360 assault, that's where they would come in and 00:16:56.360 --> 00:17:00.779 encounter the least resistance. So, does that 00:17:00.779 --> 00:17:06.339 change your opinion at all? A little. Considering 00:17:06.339 --> 00:17:08.079 the coast, I mean, I feel like we definitely 00:17:08.079 --> 00:17:10.900 up our defenses after Pearl Harbor. I mean, we 00:17:10.900 --> 00:17:12.819 did just have ships sitting there and not much 00:17:12.819 --> 00:17:14.440 of a defense -wise, and that's how they were 00:17:14.440 --> 00:17:16.799 able to get so many planes through. But I feel 00:17:16.799 --> 00:17:18.500 like after that, we'll probably do anything to 00:17:18.500 --> 00:17:22.140 prevent it again because I remember seeing a 00:17:22.140 --> 00:17:23.980 bunch of new articles saying this is like one 00:17:23.980 --> 00:17:25.819 of the biggest humiliations we've ever faced 00:17:25.819 --> 00:17:29.299 about Pearl Harbor, you know, how we let them 00:17:29.299 --> 00:17:32.220 get past us, how we lost so many men, stuff like 00:17:32.220 --> 00:17:35.470 that. And I don't think America is very big on 00:17:35.470 --> 00:17:38.750 being humiliated because last time that happened, 00:17:38.769 --> 00:17:43.230 we had several wars. Like, would it change my 00:17:43.230 --> 00:17:48.650 opinion on it? Not necessarily. Like, yes, Russia 00:17:48.650 --> 00:17:52.950 has Russia has like nuclear capable ballistic 00:17:52.950 --> 00:17:58.369 missiles. But but do I think that they would 00:17:58.369 --> 00:18:04.000 like like do I think without. like would they 00:18:04.000 --> 00:18:07.299 without a direct reason do you think like i don't 00:18:07.299 --> 00:18:10.779 think they would like fire fire upon us just 00:18:10.779 --> 00:18:15.160 like i get to weaken our defenses but do i think 00:18:15.160 --> 00:18:18.680 they would without a like strategy do i think 00:18:18.680 --> 00:18:21.160 they'd just like aimlessly start dropping ballistic 00:18:21.160 --> 00:18:26.380 missiles no so the last point i'll say on that 00:18:26.380 --> 00:18:30.900 and you can counter if you want um America has 00:18:30.900 --> 00:18:32.940 been seen as the world's bully for a long time. 00:18:33.599 --> 00:18:36.319 So if everyone sees this as the opportunity to 00:18:36.319 --> 00:18:39.279 go ahead and start throwing a punch at us, that 00:18:39.279 --> 00:18:43.640 might be the way they do it. Start laying into 00:18:43.640 --> 00:18:45.740 the coastal cities where most of the population 00:18:45.740 --> 00:18:52.160 is, take advantage of everything, and then ground 00:18:52.160 --> 00:18:56.339 assault from the north and south. So it's about 00:18:56.339 --> 00:18:58.539 Gen Z, about how they feel about everything. 00:18:58.660 --> 00:19:01.180 And I have been seeing a lot of stuff of Gen 00:19:01.180 --> 00:19:05.799 Z personally texting Iran and being like, hey, 00:19:05.819 --> 00:19:08.279 baby girl, please don't bomb us. Just take the 00:19:08.279 --> 00:19:11.119 orange van. And I just think that is so funny 00:19:11.119 --> 00:19:14.480 and how it genuinely represents how most of us 00:19:14.480 --> 00:19:16.680 feel about everything. And that's all I have 00:19:16.680 --> 00:19:21.700 to say. Yeah, it's no secret that most of Gen 00:19:21.700 --> 00:19:28.099 Z is not a huge fan of President Trump. So we 00:19:28.099 --> 00:19:34.299 can pivot off of the war situation and we'll 00:19:34.299 --> 00:19:38.019 get some lighthearted stuff. If you take war 00:19:38.019 --> 00:19:42.279 out of the equation, what are the general thoughts 00:19:42.279 --> 00:19:47.140 on the outlook of the future itself? Economic 00:19:47.140 --> 00:19:50.880 prosperity, job prosperity, housing and whatnot. 00:19:52.039 --> 00:19:55.079 Is it bleak? Is it all doom and gloom? Is there 00:19:55.079 --> 00:19:58.240 hope on the horizon? Do you guys have any kind 00:19:58.240 --> 00:20:01.460 of positive outlook, or is it all just, y 'all 00:20:01.460 --> 00:20:12.240 are fucked? Going back to the early teen climate 00:20:12.240 --> 00:20:14.660 change activists, I feel like there is a big 00:20:14.660 --> 00:20:17.900 movement to care about our future. More people 00:20:17.900 --> 00:20:20.240 trying to get more livable wages, trying to get 00:20:20.240 --> 00:20:23.299 more affordable housing. A lot of them are really 00:20:23.299 --> 00:20:24.920 trying to get more involved in government. I 00:20:24.920 --> 00:20:28.420 always see people going to their mayor's office, 00:20:28.460 --> 00:20:31.640 making petitions, trying to get some change done 00:20:31.640 --> 00:20:37.220 in their city or state. So I think I won't know 00:20:37.220 --> 00:20:39.319 what the future is, but I have a little bit of 00:20:39.319 --> 00:20:46.400 hope in it. Oh, man. Now, unfortunately for me, 00:20:46.500 --> 00:20:50.019 if I'm going to be honest, I don't have very 00:20:50.019 --> 00:20:54.650 much hope. for our future it's it's gonna be 00:20:54.650 --> 00:20:58.509 really hard really really hard for us you know 00:20:58.509 --> 00:21:04.109 like overpopulation and inflation and climate 00:21:04.109 --> 00:21:07.670 change and just everything going on it's gonna 00:21:07.670 --> 00:21:11.910 take a lot of work for us to figure everything 00:21:11.910 --> 00:21:16.109 out and i don't know if a lot of people are willing 00:21:16.109 --> 00:21:20.980 to put in that work never don't lose hope Like 00:21:20.980 --> 00:21:23.500 that, that's like the one biggest thing is yes, 00:21:23.619 --> 00:21:26.160 it might not be good right now. It might, it 00:21:26.160 --> 00:21:28.079 might be like you said, doom and gloom right 00:21:28.079 --> 00:21:31.079 now, but there could be hope on the horizon for 00:21:31.079 --> 00:21:35.200 like a brighter future. But my biggest thing 00:21:35.200 --> 00:21:41.660 is just don't lose hope. Um, so I feel like maybe 00:21:41.660 --> 00:21:43.700 like two decades down the line, maybe things 00:21:43.700 --> 00:21:45.940 will slowly start getting better. But as of right 00:21:45.940 --> 00:21:47.359 now, they're going to be really difficult for 00:21:47.359 --> 00:21:50.039 everybody because there is like, quote -unquote 00:21:50.039 --> 00:21:52.099 job listings and everything, but they're only 00:21:52.099 --> 00:21:56.599 for like to put ads out so they get money back, 00:21:56.720 --> 00:21:58.779 not to actually hire people and everything. So 00:21:58.779 --> 00:22:00.980 it's really hard to actually get jobs nowadays, 00:22:01.200 --> 00:22:04.119 especially if you're like freshly 18 or if you're 00:22:04.119 --> 00:22:08.359 still a teenager and everything. And I feel like 00:22:08.359 --> 00:22:10.359 that one day it will get better, but it's going 00:22:10.359 --> 00:22:14.079 to take a lot of time and a lot of change to 00:22:14.079 --> 00:22:18.400 happen before that can happen. Do you guys think 00:22:18.400 --> 00:22:24.079 there's any one big factor that's holding the 00:22:24.079 --> 00:22:27.180 job market down? Or do you think it's all just 00:22:27.180 --> 00:22:33.299 old people? You know, I won't disagree with you. 00:22:35.059 --> 00:22:39.640 So people are being forced to work longer than 00:22:39.640 --> 00:22:43.579 ever before. So I will 100 % agree with you there, 00:22:43.700 --> 00:22:48.359 old people. The retirement age is, I think, still 00:22:48.359 --> 00:22:51.559 65. A lot of people are working into their 70s. 00:22:51.819 --> 00:22:55.160 We just had a guy retire earlier this year in 00:22:55.160 --> 00:23:00.420 his 80s. He worked at the site for 62 or 64 years, 00:23:00.599 --> 00:23:04.240 so literally the only job he had after the military. 00:23:04.859 --> 00:23:07.559 We lost a lot of experience. He's a good guy. 00:23:07.640 --> 00:23:10.240 He's still there part -time on occasion, but 00:23:10.240 --> 00:23:14.369 that was a job that was being held up. Along 00:23:14.369 --> 00:23:17.230 with the jobless things, I also think money is 00:23:17.230 --> 00:23:20.130 a big factor. Some businesses aren't making enough 00:23:20.130 --> 00:23:23.470 money nowadays to support other workers, and 00:23:23.470 --> 00:23:25.369 other businesses have too high of expectations. 00:23:25.789 --> 00:23:28.569 They want a master's degree straight out of high 00:23:28.569 --> 00:23:31.390 school, or you need this experience or that experience. 00:23:32.450 --> 00:23:36.089 And I'm more like, how do I get that experience 00:23:36.089 --> 00:23:39.789 if you're blocking me from getting a job? The 00:23:39.789 --> 00:23:42.470 only way to get experience is to start working. 00:23:44.519 --> 00:23:49.759 Like you said, they're trying to sift out... 00:23:49.759 --> 00:23:53.759 If you don't have your diploma right out of high 00:23:53.759 --> 00:23:59.240 school or shit like that, I think they're picking 00:23:59.240 --> 00:24:02.539 the wrong battles to fight. And they need to 00:24:02.539 --> 00:24:05.680 start wising up to that and realizing that, hey, 00:24:05.700 --> 00:24:09.059 here's an issue, we need to fix it. Let's sit 00:24:09.059 --> 00:24:13.750 on it for how long. Then try to turn around and 00:24:13.750 --> 00:24:18.589 realize it can't be fixed. Another thing is that 00:24:18.589 --> 00:24:22.769 unless you have your foot in the door on certain 00:24:22.769 --> 00:24:28.130 jobs, like construction jobs or trade jobs, you 00:24:28.130 --> 00:24:30.930 have to go to trade school. And it costs a lot 00:24:30.930 --> 00:24:32.849 of money to do that, which is hard to do because 00:24:32.849 --> 00:24:35.549 you can't get an actual job. And it's really 00:24:35.549 --> 00:24:37.269 hard to get out of the food industry nowadays. 00:24:38.250 --> 00:24:40.890 and to just actually settle down on one good 00:24:40.890 --> 00:24:44.369 job than just bouncing around and just trying 00:24:44.369 --> 00:24:47.289 to make money and survive. And that's just my 00:24:47.289 --> 00:24:51.190 two cents. I do want to apologize to all the 00:24:51.190 --> 00:24:53.690 listeners during this. I know we are laughing 00:24:53.690 --> 00:24:55.849 a lot. It's because we are all very immature. 00:24:56.230 --> 00:24:59.289 We are speaking on a very serious topic, but 00:24:59.289 --> 00:25:01.390 we are all currently missing each other. We've 00:25:01.390 --> 00:25:03.710 all been friends for many years, so this is kind 00:25:03.710 --> 00:25:06.829 of how we work. Okay, so I was just going to 00:25:06.829 --> 00:25:10.150 talk about what Samara said. Yeah, totally. It's 00:25:10.150 --> 00:25:13.009 really hard. You've got a lot of people, and 00:25:13.009 --> 00:25:16.450 especially in my line of work and what I want 00:25:16.450 --> 00:25:18.549 to end up doing in my life, I want to tattoo, 00:25:18.789 --> 00:25:21.769 and that's what I want to do. And a lot of people 00:25:21.769 --> 00:25:25.269 want to tattoo, like a lot of people. And there's 00:25:25.269 --> 00:25:28.269 just not enough space for everybody that wants 00:25:28.269 --> 00:25:30.609 to do what I want to do. So there's like every 00:25:30.609 --> 00:25:33.410 shop is filled up. And, you know, there's no 00:25:33.410 --> 00:25:36.309 space. So it's another factor like that. Like 00:25:36.309 --> 00:25:39.069 if you want to get into a certain job, there's 00:25:39.069 --> 00:25:42.170 a high chance that it's just filled. Like I know 00:25:42.170 --> 00:25:44.490 people talk about the union all the time and 00:25:44.490 --> 00:25:46.529 how, you know, sometimes when you want to be 00:25:46.529 --> 00:25:48.069 a part of the union, sometimes they just don't 00:25:48.069 --> 00:25:50.150 have space for you. I don't actually know if 00:25:50.150 --> 00:25:51.690 that's true or not, but that's what I've heard 00:25:51.690 --> 00:25:56.230 from some union workers. Like going back to what 00:25:56.230 --> 00:26:01.490 you said on like unions and... Like having people 00:26:01.490 --> 00:26:05.509 like already filling jobs. Well, I've heard from 00:26:05.509 --> 00:26:08.329 many different sources like firefighting, like 00:26:08.329 --> 00:26:11.309 what I want to go into as a career is actually 00:26:11.309 --> 00:26:14.309 short it like shortened jobs. Like there's not 00:26:14.309 --> 00:26:17.009 a lot of applicants applying for fire stations 00:26:17.009 --> 00:26:21.390 and stuff. And like they're like it used to be 00:26:21.390 --> 00:26:24.390 like 100 applicants applying for one job. Now 00:26:24.390 --> 00:26:27.250 it's like one applicant applying for 30 jobs. 00:26:28.190 --> 00:26:31.630 bouncing off of what ian said i myself am a hairstylist 00:26:31.630 --> 00:26:34.529 and if i did not do it in high school i definitely 00:26:34.529 --> 00:26:36.269 would have not done it after high school because 00:26:36.269 --> 00:26:40.069 it is very expensive to go to school alone and 00:26:40.069 --> 00:26:42.470 to pay for all the materials and stuff after 00:26:42.470 --> 00:26:45.869 the fact So I'm glad I got my foot in the door, 00:26:45.970 --> 00:26:49.690 but it also is also just very hard to like keep 00:26:49.690 --> 00:26:52.069 yourself afloat, even when you have a job like 00:26:52.069 --> 00:26:54.230 that, because you have to base it off of your 00:26:54.230 --> 00:26:57.769 clientele and not just like it's like you can't 00:26:57.769 --> 00:27:00.250 just do hourly. You have to find your own people 00:27:00.250 --> 00:27:04.269 and do everything that involves with that. And 00:27:04.269 --> 00:27:06.329 you also have to pay for your space and everything, 00:27:06.450 --> 00:27:08.890 which is really hard to do on top of having another 00:27:08.890 --> 00:27:10.869 job, because in this economy, you cannot just 00:27:10.869 --> 00:27:17.490 have one job. Yeah, I kind of liken the hairstylist 00:27:17.490 --> 00:27:20.390 more to the gig workers just because of the way 00:27:20.390 --> 00:27:23.730 that the pay situation works. So I understand 00:27:23.730 --> 00:27:27.490 what you're saying there. Trade school, 100 % 00:27:27.490 --> 00:27:30.329 support that. I know Gibbs and I are both big 00:27:30.329 --> 00:27:33.029 supporters of trade school. You can get in and 00:27:33.029 --> 00:27:35.690 out way less time, way less money than college. 00:27:36.250 --> 00:27:38.089 And if that's the route you choose to go, it 00:27:38.089 --> 00:27:40.410 is probably going to work out better for you 00:27:40.410 --> 00:27:44.079 in the long run. I do think, and I think we talked 00:27:44.079 --> 00:27:48.599 about it on our education episode, that trade 00:27:48.599 --> 00:27:51.819 school grants and education assistance needs 00:27:51.819 --> 00:27:54.940 to be made more available. Because, yeah, the 00:27:54.940 --> 00:27:58.359 trade school stuff, the grants don't always cover 00:27:58.359 --> 00:28:00.380 it, and there's not a lot of student loan options 00:28:00.380 --> 00:28:02.099 that will cover trade school, to the best of 00:28:02.099 --> 00:28:04.460 my knowledge. If I'm wrong, please call me out 00:28:04.460 --> 00:28:07.940 on that. I know I definitely agree, especially 00:28:07.940 --> 00:28:11.539 with loans and whatnot. You can get a loan for 00:28:11.539 --> 00:28:14.579 $10 ,000, and you'll be paying back $30 ,000. 00:28:14.920 --> 00:28:17.599 Loans are just so high nowadays. You get a loan, 00:28:17.660 --> 00:28:18.740 but you're paying it off for the rest of your 00:28:18.740 --> 00:28:22.880 life. I mean, I know some people, they got their 00:28:22.880 --> 00:28:25.220 student loans back in, like, 1980, and they're 00:28:25.220 --> 00:28:27.740 still paying it off now. And they're 60 years 00:28:27.740 --> 00:28:30.180 old. You know, I personally would love to be 00:28:30.180 --> 00:28:32.680 an engineer, and I'm lucky to have a job through 00:28:32.680 --> 00:28:36.019 some incredible people that might allow me to 00:28:36.019 --> 00:28:41.200 actually go to school for it. All right, so we 00:28:41.200 --> 00:28:46.059 will go ahead and pivot off into a fun question. 00:28:46.220 --> 00:28:49.200 I think that those have all been pretty amazing 00:28:49.200 --> 00:28:59.200 answers, pretty great. Oh, Lord. I made the mistake 00:28:59.200 --> 00:29:04.900 of letting these guys in on the questions. So 00:29:04.900 --> 00:29:07.039 I'm going to let Josh answer last, just because 00:29:07.039 --> 00:29:10.259 he's so ambitiously wanting to answer this question. 00:29:12.059 --> 00:29:15.880 Now this one I felt was very Now We Consume centric. 00:29:17.539 --> 00:29:23.240 Will Gen Z be willing to date AI or robots in 00:29:23.240 --> 00:29:27.940 the future, or will that go to Gen Alpha? Sam, 00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:31.650 we'll start with you. Thank you. I personally 00:29:31.650 --> 00:29:34.109 think Gen Alpha would have more of that than 00:29:34.109 --> 00:29:36.430 Gen Z because most of the people in Gen Z are 00:29:36.430 --> 00:29:38.509 like engaged now and they like they have those 00:29:38.509 --> 00:29:40.910 connections and everything but um Gen Alpha has 00:29:40.910 --> 00:29:45.730 been born born and raised on like electronics 00:29:45.730 --> 00:29:47.930 and stuff and they're just like surrounded by 00:29:47.930 --> 00:29:49.650 that all the time and I feel like some of them 00:29:49.650 --> 00:29:53.230 will find comfort in their electronics like a 00:29:53.230 --> 00:30:10.220 AI girlfriend or something The thumping sound 00:30:10.220 --> 00:30:12.539 you heard was me attempting to smack the brown 00:30:12.539 --> 00:30:16.000 off of my child. He was attempting to go monkey 00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:20.420 boy on the couch. So if you're so into this, 00:30:20.460 --> 00:30:24.220 you can answer it, Josh. Will Gen Z date AI and 00:30:24.220 --> 00:30:28.789 robots? All I'm saying is. If we have a Futurama 00:30:28.789 --> 00:30:31.589 -like episode where it's like Kidnapper and we 00:30:31.589 --> 00:30:33.910 can install, you know, celebrities onto robots, 00:30:34.289 --> 00:30:37.069 give me the Lucy Liu bot and you'll never see 00:30:37.069 --> 00:30:40.910 me again. I got my love right there. Give me 00:30:40.910 --> 00:30:44.990 Marilyn Monroe. Give me Sidney Sweeney. You'll 00:30:44.990 --> 00:30:48.670 never see me again. So, I mean... That sounds 00:30:48.670 --> 00:30:53.470 awfully like 99 .8. I mean, me, I'm more like 00:30:53.470 --> 00:30:56.170 a Sigourney Weaver type, but, you know, to each 00:30:56.170 --> 00:31:01.049 their own, I guess, you know. Okay, Sigourney 00:31:01.049 --> 00:31:05.630 Weaver aliens or Sigourney Weaver Paul? Both. 00:31:05.750 --> 00:31:10.190 Ghostbusters. Okay, fair. I'll give you that. 00:31:10.670 --> 00:31:15.509 How about you? I am not siding with these two 00:31:15.509 --> 00:31:20.900 yahoos. I would say, like Samara said, that Gen 00:31:20.900 --> 00:31:23.240 Alpha would probably be more along the lines 00:31:23.240 --> 00:31:31.460 of AI girlfriends. Gen Z is more engaged in a 00:31:31.460 --> 00:31:34.140 relationship or trying to find a relationship. 00:31:34.720 --> 00:31:38.359 All in all, I don't think... There has been news 00:31:38.359 --> 00:31:41.400 articles breaking that a guy just got engaged 00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:43.960 to his AI girlfriend and everything. So Josh, 00:31:44.099 --> 00:31:45.480 I think that would be you in the near future. 00:31:45.819 --> 00:31:52.920 If it's Lucy Liu. So, yeah, do I think that people 00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:56.200 will date AI and stuff like that in the future? 00:31:56.640 --> 00:32:00.160 Obviously, basically, yes, they will. I think 00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:03.900 that Gen Z, it's scary because AI is advancing 00:32:03.900 --> 00:32:07.579 at such a high level. It's so fast. If you guys 00:32:07.579 --> 00:32:09.759 watched the first episode of this podcast, which 00:32:09.759 --> 00:32:12.460 you probably should because it's amazing, they 00:32:12.460 --> 00:32:16.839 do talk about AI revolution and everything. So 00:32:16.839 --> 00:32:19.880 yeah, it's advancing incredibly fast. Within 00:32:19.880 --> 00:32:23.640 the last two years, we've already gotten insane 00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:27.680 evolution on AI and how it works. And I can only 00:32:27.680 --> 00:32:30.740 imagine how far it's going to go within the next 00:32:30.740 --> 00:32:33.519 two years. And God, I can't even imagine 10 or 00:32:33.519 --> 00:32:36.460 20 years from now what AI will be like and what 00:32:36.460 --> 00:32:39.099 robots will be like to the point where I think 00:32:39.099 --> 00:32:42.000 that it'll be really close to human beings. It's 00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:46.269 terrifying to think about. And so, yeah, I definitely 00:32:46.269 --> 00:32:47.569 think that people are going to try and find an 00:32:47.569 --> 00:32:52.089 escape from human beings by trying to talk to 00:32:52.089 --> 00:32:57.349 robots, for sure. Okay, so I feel like people 00:32:57.349 --> 00:33:01.609 would... find um like i wouldn't think i don't 00:33:01.609 --> 00:33:03.029 think they would find like girlfriends in it 00:33:03.029 --> 00:33:04.990 i think they would just find like things to distract 00:33:04.990 --> 00:33:07.130 themselves with rather than actual connection 00:33:07.130 --> 00:33:09.730 because you if you have like a robot girlfriend 00:33:09.730 --> 00:33:11.750 they're never going to be like just like an actual 00:33:11.750 --> 00:33:14.089 human girlfriend because they're nobody's perfect 00:33:14.089 --> 00:33:16.369 and if you try to find something that's perfect 00:33:16.369 --> 00:33:18.670 you will never genuinely be happy because you 00:33:18.670 --> 00:33:21.809 would feel like the problem and um you it's really 00:33:21.809 --> 00:33:24.950 hard trying to find that kind of connection with 00:33:24.950 --> 00:33:28.190 something that's like fake like that's not real 00:33:28.190 --> 00:33:32.650 and um if they were to even try i feel like they 00:33:32.650 --> 00:33:34.390 would just fail and they would just go back to 00:33:34.390 --> 00:33:36.269 actually being in a relationship with somebody 00:33:36.269 --> 00:33:42.049 then you know so one thing i've been wondering 00:33:42.049 --> 00:33:47.089 about do these different types of ai bots and 00:33:47.089 --> 00:33:50.890 even maybe even the robots have any kind of possible 00:33:50.890 --> 00:33:53.990 therapeutic use for people who have been involved 00:33:53.990 --> 00:34:00.210 in any kind of domestic trauma, is there a possibility 00:34:00.210 --> 00:34:01.950 that they could be used for some kind of good 00:34:01.950 --> 00:34:05.849 with that? I feel like they could definitely 00:34:05.849 --> 00:34:09.730 be used for therapy and something to talk to 00:34:09.730 --> 00:34:11.989 somebody or anything. Because most people, before 00:34:11.989 --> 00:34:13.530 AI, they would probably just write it down in 00:34:13.530 --> 00:34:15.610 a journal or go to actual therapy. And this would 00:34:15.610 --> 00:34:17.869 probably help a lot of people if they could just 00:34:17.869 --> 00:34:21.030 talk to a random robot and get feedback and everything 00:34:21.030 --> 00:34:24.860 off of things that the robot has. heard and everything 00:34:24.860 --> 00:34:27.019 and like base it on all of that just so they 00:34:27.019 --> 00:34:31.800 can help the one person i would say yes and no 00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:35.460 yes like i feel like it would be good to get 00:34:35.460 --> 00:34:38.539 like stuff off your chest to like to to an ai 00:34:38.539 --> 00:34:42.079 robot and still get feedback and yeah well i 00:34:42.079 --> 00:34:44.460 also don't think like i don't think the feedback 00:34:44.460 --> 00:34:48.219 would be quite right because like i feel like 00:34:48.219 --> 00:34:50.639 you just get like a like a textbook definition 00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:54.659 or like just basically chat gbt like responding 00:34:54.659 --> 00:34:58.260 like it won't be like a clear concise answer 00:34:58.260 --> 00:35:02.019 it'll just be like a broad spectrum but do i 00:35:02.019 --> 00:35:05.739 think ai would be used like used for their therapy 00:35:05.739 --> 00:35:09.179 yes but again i don't think it would just be 00:35:09.179 --> 00:35:12.300 like talking to a normal human like getting feedback 00:35:12.300 --> 00:35:16.500 that actually connects straight to you yeah um 00:35:16.500 --> 00:35:19.639 i just wanted to talk about one point first about 00:35:19.639 --> 00:35:23.489 samara and what she was saying about people dating 00:35:23.489 --> 00:35:27.929 and how robots can't be perfect or that they 00:35:27.929 --> 00:35:31.409 are perfect and that people need to find you 00:35:31.409 --> 00:35:33.429 know like the imperfections in human beings and 00:35:33.429 --> 00:35:37.349 that's what makes us human I think that it's 00:35:37.349 --> 00:35:39.889 gonna be really difficult for or at least it's 00:35:39.889 --> 00:35:42.710 not difficult but for some people many people 00:35:42.710 --> 00:35:45.449 and even somebody I know my brother you know 00:35:45.449 --> 00:35:47.980 like He's never been in a relationship before. 00:35:48.139 --> 00:35:49.800 And so you're going to have plenty of people 00:35:49.800 --> 00:35:51.800 that are like that that don't know what they're 00:35:51.800 --> 00:35:53.980 looking for when it comes to the imperfections 00:35:53.980 --> 00:35:56.440 in a human being. And so when they see a robot 00:35:56.440 --> 00:35:59.559 and they see it doing whatever it's doing to 00:35:59.559 --> 00:36:02.300 try and get in this relationship or acting like 00:36:02.300 --> 00:36:05.400 how it's acting because they're dating, they're 00:36:05.400 --> 00:36:07.900 going to think that it's normal because they 00:36:07.900 --> 00:36:10.940 don't know what it's like to date a human. So 00:36:10.940 --> 00:36:13.880 I think that that's what's going to be really 00:36:13.880 --> 00:36:16.599 hard for those people. You know, if they end 00:36:16.599 --> 00:36:18.739 up, you know, dating somebody in the future that's 00:36:18.739 --> 00:36:20.619 a real person versus, you know, they've been 00:36:20.619 --> 00:36:23.760 dating their AI girlfriend for like forever. 00:36:25.539 --> 00:36:30.059 But yeah, the therapy part, I definitely think 00:36:30.059 --> 00:36:33.420 it'll help a lot of people out for sure. I think 00:36:33.420 --> 00:36:37.199 it's difficult though because AI, it's like the 00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:40.260 way that they learn. I feel like most jobs, or 00:36:40.260 --> 00:36:43.820 at least a lot of them, it just takes like learning 00:36:43.820 --> 00:36:46.599 and understanding. specifically with therapy 00:36:46.599 --> 00:36:48.340 though i definitely think that there's a more 00:36:48.340 --> 00:36:52.059 human side of you need to have a um like you 00:36:52.059 --> 00:36:54.139 need to have those experiences yourself to sort 00:36:54.139 --> 00:36:56.440 of understand what somebody else is going through 00:36:56.440 --> 00:36:58.820 you know sort of empathy they teach you that 00:36:58.820 --> 00:37:01.920 a lot and i don't know if a robot will ever be 00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:06.139 able to actually learn empathy um i mean i think 00:37:06.139 --> 00:37:09.000 that If somebody describes the situation to them 00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:11.159 and describes to the robot how they're supposed 00:37:11.159 --> 00:37:14.300 to feel, that maybe they might be able to get 00:37:14.300 --> 00:37:16.380 close, but I don't think they'll ever actually 00:37:16.380 --> 00:37:19.239 truly hit the mark. So that's kind of how I feel 00:37:19.239 --> 00:37:21.739 on the situation. I think some jobs they'll be 00:37:21.739 --> 00:37:23.920 able to take over and some jobs, specifically 00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:25.599 like therapy, I don't know if they'll be able 00:37:25.599 --> 00:37:28.260 to actually help out. They'll be able to help 00:37:28.260 --> 00:37:30.820 for sure like 100%, but I don't know if they'll 00:37:30.820 --> 00:37:32.880 be able to be like the perfect replacement for 00:37:32.880 --> 00:37:38.190 a human being. My problem is in more of personal 00:37:38.190 --> 00:37:41.469 security. You have, you know, AI, but all that 00:37:41.469 --> 00:37:43.869 information is going to be seen by another human 00:37:43.869 --> 00:37:47.710 being. You know, you tell an AI this, this, and 00:37:47.710 --> 00:37:50.670 that. I tell people who are in places like, hey, 00:37:50.710 --> 00:37:53.690 I have these thoughts of suicide. Someone can 00:37:53.690 --> 00:37:56.230 see that message and do something with it. You 00:37:56.230 --> 00:37:59.010 know, blackmail, why not? And if the AI gets 00:37:59.010 --> 00:38:02.809 hacked and asks the user, hey, what's your mother's 00:38:02.809 --> 00:38:04.409 maiden name? I just want to know to get closer 00:38:04.409 --> 00:38:06.920 to you. someone's going to say it and someone's 00:38:06.920 --> 00:38:08.139 going to tell them. And then that's how, you 00:38:08.139 --> 00:38:11.360 know, I didn't get stolen. So I'm also worried 00:38:11.360 --> 00:38:14.400 on the security side and also considering these 00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:18.159 iPad kids nowadays, you know, little kids who 00:38:18.159 --> 00:38:20.920 don't go outside bearing their iPads. They're 00:38:20.920 --> 00:38:22.780 the type of people who I would see to grow up 00:38:22.780 --> 00:38:28.519 to these AI daters. Back to what you said about 00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:32.219 mental health and suicidal thoughts, and bringing 00:38:32.219 --> 00:38:35.440 that to an AI robot I don't think would necessarily 00:38:35.440 --> 00:38:39.480 comfort them. Because I feel like they would 00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:43.019 just be like, oh cool, here's a pink slip, fuck 00:38:43.019 --> 00:38:46.619 off with your problems and not listen. I feel 00:38:46.619 --> 00:38:49.539 like it'll just provide a cheap solution to a 00:38:49.539 --> 00:38:53.530 real problem. Yeah, it'll just provide a pre 00:38:53.530 --> 00:38:57.130 -made script or basically hand you a pink slip 00:38:57.130 --> 00:39:00.070 or here's the suicide hotline or something like 00:39:00.070 --> 00:39:04.809 that. So as AI advances, is there maybe a possibility 00:39:04.809 --> 00:39:08.150 that it interacts in a way where if those kind 00:39:08.150 --> 00:39:11.489 of thoughts or questions are presented, it could 00:39:11.489 --> 00:39:16.150 prompt you instead and say, do you want help? 00:39:16.630 --> 00:39:20.130 I mean, with AI, like Ian had said, the way that 00:39:20.130 --> 00:39:23.110 it's advancing. We're probably not that far away 00:39:23.110 --> 00:39:26.050 from that. I mean, I just read something last 00:39:26.050 --> 00:39:27.849 week that said we're probably six months to a 00:39:27.849 --> 00:39:30.530 year from the singularity. When I said that in 00:39:30.530 --> 00:39:34.309 the episode The Dark Trinity, we were talking 00:39:34.309 --> 00:39:38.610 12 to 24 months. That's now been revised. So 00:39:38.610 --> 00:39:40.750 we're on the edge of the singularity at this 00:39:40.750 --> 00:39:45.769 point. True, actual, artificial, generative intelligence. 00:39:47.079 --> 00:39:48.760 It could be right around the corner, and it could 00:39:48.760 --> 00:39:51.219 be literally no different than talking to a human. 00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:57.980 So if you're interacting with a screen that you 00:39:57.980 --> 00:40:00.260 think may be a doctor and you don't know it's 00:40:00.260 --> 00:40:02.599 an AI, but you're interacting with them and you're 00:40:02.599 --> 00:40:06.380 getting human -like responses, AI has passed 00:40:06.380 --> 00:40:09.239 the Turing test. They did that not too long ago. 00:40:10.199 --> 00:40:14.079 So we have that capability now. So if you're 00:40:14.079 --> 00:40:17.190 talking to this doctor on a screen, Maybe it 00:40:17.190 --> 00:40:20.210 wasn't disclosed that it was an AI and you're 00:40:20.210 --> 00:40:23.369 pouring your heart out like that. And then you 00:40:23.369 --> 00:40:25.369 get these prompts and it's like, well, do you 00:40:25.369 --> 00:40:30.849 want help? What about that? I mean, get like 00:40:30.849 --> 00:40:34.010 getting those prompts of, do you want help? Do 00:40:34.010 --> 00:40:36.469 you need help? I feel like that right there is 00:40:36.469 --> 00:40:40.010 a clear sign of, Hey, I'm not talking to a human. 00:40:40.090 --> 00:40:42.789 I'm not talking to a person that has imperfections. 00:40:43.389 --> 00:40:47.269 I'm talking to an AI robot that is programmed 00:40:47.269 --> 00:40:52.630 to think that way, to think like a human, to 00:40:52.630 --> 00:40:57.269 think that it is a human. But do I 100 % think 00:40:57.269 --> 00:41:00.570 that it's going to be like talking to a human? 00:41:00.630 --> 00:41:03.349 No, because like everybody in this room has said, 00:41:03.510 --> 00:41:07.610 humans have flaws. Like the subject of mental 00:41:07.610 --> 00:41:10.929 health and AI, I feel like will be blurred. a 00:41:10.929 --> 00:41:15.510 lot like a long a long while okay so although 00:41:15.510 --> 00:41:21.469 it is like becoming very like um like how ai 00:41:21.469 --> 00:41:23.849 is become very advanced that's what i meant to 00:41:23.849 --> 00:41:30.550 say um i still i still think that it would take 00:41:30.550 --> 00:41:34.199 a very long time for it to perfect how people 00:41:34.199 --> 00:41:36.579 feel emotions because we don't all just feel 00:41:36.579 --> 00:41:38.920 like one emotion at one time we feel multiple 00:41:38.920 --> 00:41:43.119 emotions at once and um it's very hard to describe 00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:45.599 it even as like a person so it'd be like impossible 00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:49.300 to describe it to a robot for them to even like 00:41:49.300 --> 00:41:52.559 imagine what it feels like which they can't really 00:41:52.559 --> 00:41:54.980 feel like because they're a robot but like it's 00:41:54.980 --> 00:41:57.440 it's really complex because even like people 00:41:57.440 --> 00:42:00.260 talking to a therapist they can't explain how 00:42:00.260 --> 00:42:08.260 they really feel So my question to everybody 00:42:08.260 --> 00:42:11.900 in this room, do you think AI would get to advance 00:42:11.900 --> 00:42:14.099 to the point where we would have kind of like 00:42:14.099 --> 00:42:16.940 a Roe v. Wade situation where it would be like 00:42:16.940 --> 00:42:26.039 my body, my choice? For the AI itself, like on 00:42:26.039 --> 00:42:29.679 behalf of the AI, like I am the AI, you cannot 00:42:29.679 --> 00:42:32.880 turn me off, like that kind of situation? Yes. 00:42:55.900 --> 00:42:59.940 I feel like saying Roe v. Wade wasn't the right 00:42:59.940 --> 00:43:03.460 way to explain it because Roe v. Wade was women's 00:43:03.460 --> 00:43:10.599 rights. And that's... Yeah, I... The Rovio Wade 00:43:10.599 --> 00:43:15.219 situation was a whole other box of rocks. Maybe 00:43:15.219 --> 00:43:17.340 the wrong words. However, I understand why he's... 00:43:17.340 --> 00:43:22.440 Will the time come when AI hits the point where 00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:28.960 AI gets the right to life as well? That's going 00:43:28.960 --> 00:43:31.039 to be a whole other episode. Because holy shit. 00:43:33.289 --> 00:43:35.829 I think it might happen, especially once we hit 00:43:35.829 --> 00:43:40.690 that point of true AGI and we fully cross that 00:43:40.690 --> 00:43:44.110 line. Once the AI is turned on, I don't think 00:43:44.110 --> 00:43:48.150 it will be legal to turn it off. Yeah, I don't 00:43:48.150 --> 00:43:52.329 know. We'll have to dive into that. I would just 00:43:52.329 --> 00:43:55.250 like to apologize for comparing that to Roe v. 00:43:55.309 --> 00:43:58.690 Wade. But again, like you said, it might not 00:43:58.690 --> 00:44:00.789 have been the best wording, but I got the point 00:44:00.789 --> 00:44:05.199 across. legally, would they be allowed to shut 00:44:05.199 --> 00:44:07.659 it off once they turn it on? Would it kind of 00:44:07.659 --> 00:44:11.139 be like a life support situation? Like, do you 00:44:11.139 --> 00:44:13.380 legally have the right to pull the plug or not? 00:44:14.880 --> 00:44:21.800 So, does anybody else want to add anything? Going 00:44:21.800 --> 00:44:25.980 back to maybe some of the robot takeover things, 00:44:26.400 --> 00:44:28.679 I mean, there are the three laws of robotics. 00:44:29.610 --> 00:44:32.570 So I'm not that worried about it as long as we 00:44:32.570 --> 00:44:35.630 don't try to mess with those three laws and like 00:44:35.630 --> 00:44:40.389 add extra wording to it. What if they edit the 00:44:40.389 --> 00:44:46.150 three laws themselves? So we'll leave that one 00:44:46.150 --> 00:44:48.269 for a whole other episode because I think that's 00:44:48.269 --> 00:44:50.750 going to be some good content there. So did you 00:44:50.750 --> 00:44:53.590 have another final thought or no? Okay. All right. 00:44:53.610 --> 00:44:56.309 Well, this has gone way longer than I intended 00:44:56.309 --> 00:45:00.019 for it to and much. more in depth than I honestly 00:45:00.019 --> 00:45:01.719 thought that it would, but I'm glad that it did. 00:45:01.900 --> 00:45:04.239 You guys have given some really good stuff. So 00:45:04.239 --> 00:45:05.980 I want to say thank you for coming over tonight. 00:45:06.960 --> 00:45:10.059 What? I want to say thank you as well. Pleasure 00:45:10.059 --> 00:45:13.159 being on your podcast. Yeah. I wish I could have 00:45:13.159 --> 00:45:15.639 talked to Gibbs, but I'll, I'll have to save 00:45:15.639 --> 00:45:18.440 that for another time. But yeah, it was a pleasure 00:45:18.440 --> 00:45:22.900 being here. Like they said, it's been a pleasure 00:45:22.900 --> 00:45:30.000 being on. Thanks. All right, guys. Thanks for 00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:32.539 hanging out. Hope you guys enjoyed, and we'll 00:45:32.539 --> 00:45:33.159 see you all next time.