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and we're going to do a little special segment
with some friends of mine. We're going to call
this Ask Gen Z. I'm here with my son Josh, his
friend Ian, Cade, and Sam. Do you want to go
Sam, Samara? What do you want? Just Sam, okay.
Given everything that's been going on in the
world, I thought it would be fun to get the opinion
of... some younger people and get their thoughts
on things. So the first question that I wanted
to ask was the general thoughts on the Middle
East situation and any possible escalations to
World War III. So, Josh, we'll start with you.
I don't really have too many thoughts. I'm not
really well -versed in this enough to give a
serious opinion, but I am worried more like on
the side of my family, how this could affect
them. and things like that uh exclusion to world
war three is a little bit terrifying because
if i'm getting drafted i'm losing a foot so i
mean just full honesty ian your thoughts i mean
yeah i mean it's basically just the same things
that josh said yeah it's just like i don't really
have enough information to truly have an opinion
on what is going on but for the most part yeah
i am worried about My family, everything going
on. I am worried about the state of the country
for sure, what's going to happen. The economy
is already a little crazy right now. So for the
most part, I'm just hoping for a bright future,
I guess. Yeah, that's about it. I was about to
say, that was a good point, Ian. My whole thoughts
on the Middle East is, Like, the whole conflict
is just, we don't really need to be in it. We
shouldn't have gotten involved. We should have
stayed here and dealt with stuff that is on our
soil and not out. Like, they didn't even involve
us. They didn't attack us. They just, we got
involved for no reason. So, on that, let me,
and yes, Sam, I will give it to you if you don't
want it. Okay. So let me ask you a counter on
that. Iran has been seen as a bully nation. So
allowing them to get a nuke, would that change
your opinion in the idea that if they got a nuke,
they would just bully their way into a bigger
seat on the world stage? I don't think they would.
Like if they had access to a nuke, I don't think
they would intentionally. like use it well if
they given the given a reason they would okay
i definitely feel like i have to step in a little
bit okay so like yeah so yeah if they were to
get a hold of a nuke but at the same time like
we're dealing with hypotheticals now and hypotheticals
can be extremely dangerous for any circumstance
especially when it comes to a country gaining
more power so that's very difficult to deal with
if like they were to get a hold of a nuke, and
then we just start jumping to hypotheticals of,
like, oh, they might use this against us. And
so it is really dangerous to start, like, doing
that. But I definitely understand the worry and
concern for sure. So, yeah, I mean, that's just
what I had to say. I mean, you could really do
a hypothetical along with any other country.
Let's say, I don't know, Switzerland got 16 nukes
all at once. Would they bomb everyone else to
gain control? It's... It's all like, you know,
a massive what if. But do I think that they might
threaten people with it? Possibly. I mean, Iran
has always been kind of a problem country as
well as Iraq. You know, we always hear things
like, oh, Iraq bombed Iran again or something
like that. So it really, we'll have to see. Going
back to what Ian said. I feel like this is now
boiling down to more of a Cold War situation
of the what -ifs. That's just how it's boiling
down is just to what -ifs. Because yes, if they
do get access to nukes, then I feel like Josh
even said what -ifs. If we're getting to the
what -ifs, then it's just Cold War to me. I will
agree with the Cold War side. That's actually
a point that I had personally never considered,
was that we're now entering the Cold War, essentially,
for the Middle East. One thing that I can say
is that Iran, having been a country that has
always sponsored terrorism, allowing them to
get nukes, they will use them just because they
have them. And it's been their stance for many
years. So them chasing nuclear weapons has been...
a reason for us to get involved in the Middle
East for a long time and to support Israel. That's
why we've been on their side for so long. Iran
would use them if they got them, and that's been
the bottom line. So we can move on to the second
one. I think we kind of hit that one pretty good.
Still nothing from you? No? Okay. All right,
so the next question. If you were drafted or
asked to fight, would Gen Z actually fight? Or
could they even actually fight? And in a war
scenario, would Gen Z, could Gen Z actually fight?
I'll let you take the first one here, Sam. Sorry.
Okay, so I personally think that Gen Z would
definitely fight back because they have fought
back for many, many different things already.
And they're not even hit their 30s yet. Everybody
in Gen Z is still young, and they have fought
back for so many things. There were riots and
everything back in 2020, and there were always
protests and everything still going on. Whenever
they took Roe v. Wade, there was a bunch of...
of protests going on with that because obviously
it's women's rights like who's obviously we would
fight for that and um i think that if we had
to fight in a war we definitely could because
i think we are so unhinged that we could just
like go ham and just like not really think about
it and that's just my take on it i i also agree
with that um i i will give the mic to the guys
but i i have to say i love some of the memes
that i've seen especially like the world war
three outfits, like the, I eat ass t -shirt and
the Hawaiian shorts absolutely would rock that
shit. So, so like the whole, like world, world
war three, like outfits. I've not, I have not
actually seen any of those. That's, that's funny.
Um, but would Gen Z fight? I feel like it just
depends like maybe out in like LA, maybe they,
maybe they'd fight. But I feel like more towards
like Appalachia, like where the rednecks live
mostly, would fight. And not to get political
here, but the snow cone blue haired liberals
probably won't stand up to fight. Regarding if
they would, I'm sure they would. We have many
climate change activists who are in their early
teens, let's say Greta Thunberg. Autumn Peltier,
you know, they're young and still trying to fight
for the world to make Earth better for animals,
better for us. So I'm sure there are many like
-minded people who would like to go fight, you
know, represent their country, you know, the
world they live in. Because along with war, you
have all those explosions, you have all those
factories also doing damage to the climate. And
I'm sure, you know, once that starts happening,
it would start, you know, getting a lot of voices
involved. Now, could they fight? I don't know.
I've seen some big dudes, and if I saw them going
to a front line, I'd give up immediately. I'm
waving the white flag. I have a friend who's
about 300 pounds and 5 '5". He ain't sprinting
a 10 -mile dash. Sure, you can hand him a rifle
and put him on a front line. He'd be good to
knock out a guy or two. But you ask him to go
dig a trench, he's getting tired after one swing.
The way that I'm thinking about it is thinking
about if Gen Z... how they would feel if they
got drafted. It's just very difficult to think
about because you're going into the human psyche
of just, when you get handed those draft papers,
you're essentially, it's not really like you're
going to die, but there's a strong possibility
of death. going into war. And I think that a
lot of people would just think about it as they're
basically signing themselves to die. And I don't
think that most people would probably be comfortable
with that. I mean, it's, I don't know, it's just
a very tricky situation. I think that, yeah,
there are a lot of people that would fight to
not get drafted. There are a lot of other people
that would probably, you know, either jump at
the gun or they would just bite the bullet and
go. I definitely think that there's, you know,
it's like a 50 -50 at that. It's like a coin
toss. Do I think that they could fight if they
went? Yeah, for sure. I think that most human
beings have the will strength. Now, do they have
the strength to fight? A lot of people can't
even do a pull -up, so I don't know. Give them
a few months, probably, but I think they might
have it. Going back to what you said about getting
the draft papers in hand, I feel like that's
very Vietnam. Just getting the papers in, I feel
like we're going to see a lot more people try
to fight against going to this war if we were
to have one. Like Vietnam, I feel like they just
burn their draft papers or try to forget about
it and go out of the country to escape it. But
do I think we could fight? Like you said, 50
-50, but my guess is I don't think we'd all want
to go. Yeah, that's a lot of good points. The
comment on the human snow cones was spot on.
I think they would literally lose their mind,
and those would be the ones that would head to
Canada, I think, most likely. Burning the draft
cards, I think we would see a lot of that. I
don't think we still have the draft cards. I
know I don't physically have my draft card, but
I also already served, so I don't have to worry
about it. I'm not eligible for recall anymore.
Yes, I have avoided that. But the, the capabilities
I think are a little bit different, but like,
I like what you said, Ian, about the, the finality,
the possibility of finality of seeing your name
on that paper. It is similar when you're volunteering
during wartime. Now, when I went in, it was peacetime.
There was nothing going on in the world. There
was some shit, but. I graduated boot camp the
weekend prior to 9 -11. So I was still there
at my boot camp when 9 -11 happened. So literally,
my whole enlistment trajectory changed. So I
went in during no war, and nine weeks later,
we were going off to fucking war. And we were
ready for it. But we'll go ahead and move to
the next one. Are you guys worried about the
conflict coming to American soil at all? There's
been some talk about different styles of lone
wolf type attacks happening, opening the gates
to allow soldiers from other countries to flood
in, from southern border, from the northern border,
from other coastlines. So if that were to happen...
Do you think we would have much resistance from
the American citizenry? Do you think that they
would be successful at all? Do you think we would
just run into more L .A. style, no, we have to
welcome them kind of things? I could definitely
see that happening. People from the north and
south coming in. I don't know about Canadians.
I don't know how good Rockies are going to do
on a full -on tank. Shout out Canadians. We definitely
could see other soldiers coming in. If it gets
that bad, depending on how they want to hit,
maybe they want to get Canada out of the play
early or get Mexico out of the play early by
getting attacks there. But otherwise, it's a
mixed situation. Yeah, I mean, what you said,
do I think that they could get on American soil
and try and fight here? Yes, but do I think that
they would be successful? absolutely not because
i think that what was it like on average like
every american has like what like in some states
average american has like three yet three guns
in their house like i feel like it'd be very
hard to try and invade while you know a lot of
americans a majority of them have you know a
firearm in their house and can defend themselves
for the most part you know What if they start
that invasion during the week between 9 and 5,
when most of the armed Americans are at work?
You know, that would be like the smartest strategic
plan in the universe. And I would just have to
applaud them for that, honestly, if they did
that, honestly. So I would say that North and
South, if they were to try to attack us... I
don't think they would be successful because
we'd have home, like home field advantage. Like
we know like our roads are our area, our regions
better than they would, but do like going back
to what you said, like, wouldn't there be like
more like LA where they're like, Oh, well we
like, we'll take you some regions. I feel like
would end up doing that. But others would be
like, no, this is our, like, this is our country.
We're not going to let you take it from us. Okay,
if they were to happen to come in during the
9 -to -5, I personally think that their children
would still fight back because I learned how
to shoot a gun at the ripe age of two years old,
so I don't think that that would matter personally
because if it's summertime, your kids are at
home, they're going to shoot him or her or whoever
is trying to invade their house. So that's assuming
they can hear them over the headsets while they're
playing Fortnite. One other thing to consider,
Russia, China, even Iran, all have containerized
missiles that they have fired from cargo ships
to soften up defenses. We do not have an Iron
Dome system like you were talking about. We do
not have anything in place to stop those missiles
from hitting. Russia has nuclear -capable ballistic
missiles that are in containers. They've already
tested them. The coasts represent the most liberal
and anti -gun sections of the country, minus
some of the interior states. Any kind of a ground
assault, that's where they would come in and
encounter the least resistance. So, does that
change your opinion at all? A little. Considering
the coast, I mean, I feel like we definitely
up our defenses after Pearl Harbor. I mean, we
did just have ships sitting there and not much
of a defense -wise, and that's how they were
able to get so many planes through. But I feel
like after that, we'll probably do anything to
prevent it again because I remember seeing a
bunch of new articles saying this is like one
of the biggest humiliations we've ever faced
about Pearl Harbor, you know, how we let them
get past us, how we lost so many men, stuff like
that. And I don't think America is very big on
being humiliated because last time that happened,
we had several wars. Like, would it change my
opinion on it? Not necessarily. Like, yes, Russia
has Russia has like nuclear capable ballistic
missiles. But but do I think that they would
like like do I think without. like would they
without a direct reason do you think like i don't
think they would like fire fire upon us just
like i get to weaken our defenses but do i think
they would without a like strategy do i think
they'd just like aimlessly start dropping ballistic
missiles no so the last point i'll say on that
and you can counter if you want um America has
been seen as the world's bully for a long time.
So if everyone sees this as the opportunity to
go ahead and start throwing a punch at us, that
might be the way they do it. Start laying into
the coastal cities where most of the population
is, take advantage of everything, and then ground
assault from the north and south. So it's about
Gen Z, about how they feel about everything.
And I have been seeing a lot of stuff of Gen
Z personally texting Iran and being like, hey,
baby girl, please don't bomb us. Just take the
orange van. And I just think that is so funny
and how it genuinely represents how most of us
feel about everything. And that's all I have
to say. Yeah, it's no secret that most of Gen
Z is not a huge fan of President Trump. So we
can pivot off of the war situation and we'll
get some lighthearted stuff. If you take war
out of the equation, what are the general thoughts
on the outlook of the future itself? Economic
prosperity, job prosperity, housing and whatnot.
Is it bleak? Is it all doom and gloom? Is there
hope on the horizon? Do you guys have any kind
of positive outlook, or is it all just, y 'all
are fucked? Going back to the early teen climate
change activists, I feel like there is a big
movement to care about our future. More people
trying to get more livable wages, trying to get
more affordable housing. A lot of them are really
trying to get more involved in government. I
always see people going to their mayor's office,
making petitions, trying to get some change done
in their city or state. So I think I won't know
what the future is, but I have a little bit of
hope in it. Oh, man. Now, unfortunately for me,
if I'm going to be honest, I don't have very
much hope. for our future it's it's gonna be
really hard really really hard for us you know
like overpopulation and inflation and climate
change and just everything going on it's gonna
take a lot of work for us to figure everything
out and i don't know if a lot of people are willing
to put in that work never don't lose hope Like
that, that's like the one biggest thing is yes,
it might not be good right now. It might, it
might be like you said, doom and gloom right
now, but there could be hope on the horizon for
like a brighter future. But my biggest thing
is just don't lose hope. Um, so I feel like maybe
like two decades down the line, maybe things
will slowly start getting better. But as of right
now, they're going to be really difficult for
everybody because there is like, quote -unquote
job listings and everything, but they're only
for like to put ads out so they get money back,
not to actually hire people and everything. So
it's really hard to actually get jobs nowadays,
especially if you're like freshly 18 or if you're
still a teenager and everything. And I feel like
that one day it will get better, but it's going
to take a lot of time and a lot of change to
happen before that can happen. Do you guys think
there's any one big factor that's holding the
job market down? Or do you think it's all just
old people? You know, I won't disagree with you.
So people are being forced to work longer than
ever before. So I will 100 % agree with you there,
old people. The retirement age is, I think, still
65. A lot of people are working into their 70s.
We just had a guy retire earlier this year in
his 80s. He worked at the site for 62 or 64 years,
so literally the only job he had after the military.
We lost a lot of experience. He's a good guy.
He's still there part -time on occasion, but
that was a job that was being held up. Along
with the jobless things, I also think money is
a big factor. Some businesses aren't making enough
money nowadays to support other workers, and
other businesses have too high of expectations.
They want a master's degree straight out of high
school, or you need this experience or that experience.
And I'm more like, how do I get that experience
if you're blocking me from getting a job? The
only way to get experience is to start working.
Like you said, they're trying to sift out...
If you don't have your diploma right out of high
school or shit like that, I think they're picking
the wrong battles to fight. And they need to
start wising up to that and realizing that, hey,
here's an issue, we need to fix it. Let's sit
on it for how long. Then try to turn around and
realize it can't be fixed. Another thing is that
unless you have your foot in the door on certain
jobs, like construction jobs or trade jobs, you
have to go to trade school. And it costs a lot
of money to do that, which is hard to do because
you can't get an actual job. And it's really
hard to get out of the food industry nowadays.
and to just actually settle down on one good
job than just bouncing around and just trying
to make money and survive. And that's just my
two cents. I do want to apologize to all the
listeners during this. I know we are laughing
a lot. It's because we are all very immature.
We are speaking on a very serious topic, but
we are all currently missing each other. We've
all been friends for many years, so this is kind
of how we work. Okay, so I was just going to
talk about what Samara said. Yeah, totally. It's
really hard. You've got a lot of people, and
especially in my line of work and what I want
to end up doing in my life, I want to tattoo,
and that's what I want to do. And a lot of people
want to tattoo, like a lot of people. And there's
just not enough space for everybody that wants
to do what I want to do. So there's like every
shop is filled up. And, you know, there's no
space. So it's another factor like that. Like
if you want to get into a certain job, there's
a high chance that it's just filled. Like I know
people talk about the union all the time and
how, you know, sometimes when you want to be
a part of the union, sometimes they just don't
have space for you. I don't actually know if
that's true or not, but that's what I've heard
from some union workers. Like going back to what
you said on like unions and... Like having people
like already filling jobs. Well, I've heard from
many different sources like firefighting, like
what I want to go into as a career is actually
short it like shortened jobs. Like there's not
a lot of applicants applying for fire stations
and stuff. And like they're like it used to be
like 100 applicants applying for one job. Now
it's like one applicant applying for 30 jobs.
bouncing off of what ian said i myself am a hairstylist
and if i did not do it in high school i definitely
would have not done it after high school because
it is very expensive to go to school alone and
to pay for all the materials and stuff after
the fact So I'm glad I got my foot in the door,
but it also is also just very hard to like keep
yourself afloat, even when you have a job like
that, because you have to base it off of your
clientele and not just like it's like you can't
just do hourly. You have to find your own people
and do everything that involves with that. And
you also have to pay for your space and everything,
which is really hard to do on top of having another
job, because in this economy, you cannot just
have one job. Yeah, I kind of liken the hairstylist
more to the gig workers just because of the way
that the pay situation works. So I understand
what you're saying there. Trade school, 100 %
support that. I know Gibbs and I are both big
supporters of trade school. You can get in and
out way less time, way less money than college.
And if that's the route you choose to go, it
is probably going to work out better for you
in the long run. I do think, and I think we talked
about it on our education episode, that trade
school grants and education assistance needs
to be made more available. Because, yeah, the
trade school stuff, the grants don't always cover
it, and there's not a lot of student loan options
that will cover trade school, to the best of
my knowledge. If I'm wrong, please call me out
on that. I know I definitely agree, especially
with loans and whatnot. You can get a loan for
$10 ,000, and you'll be paying back $30 ,000.
Loans are just so high nowadays. You get a loan,
but you're paying it off for the rest of your
life. I mean, I know some people, they got their
student loans back in, like, 1980, and they're
still paying it off now. And they're 60 years
old. You know, I personally would love to be
an engineer, and I'm lucky to have a job through
some incredible people that might allow me to
actually go to school for it. All right, so we
will go ahead and pivot off into a fun question.
I think that those have all been pretty amazing
answers, pretty great. Oh, Lord. I made the mistake
of letting these guys in on the questions. So
I'm going to let Josh answer last, just because
he's so ambitiously wanting to answer this question.
Now this one I felt was very Now We Consume centric.
Will Gen Z be willing to date AI or robots in
the future, or will that go to Gen Alpha? Sam,
we'll start with you. Thank you. I personally
think Gen Alpha would have more of that than
Gen Z because most of the people in Gen Z are
like engaged now and they like they have those
connections and everything but um Gen Alpha has
been born born and raised on like electronics
and stuff and they're just like surrounded by
that all the time and I feel like some of them
will find comfort in their electronics like a
AI girlfriend or something The thumping sound
you heard was me attempting to smack the brown
off of my child. He was attempting to go monkey
boy on the couch. So if you're so into this,
you can answer it, Josh. Will Gen Z date AI and
robots? All I'm saying is. If we have a Futurama
-like episode where it's like Kidnapper and we
can install, you know, celebrities onto robots,
give me the Lucy Liu bot and you'll never see
me again. I got my love right there. Give me
Marilyn Monroe. Give me Sidney Sweeney. You'll
never see me again. So, I mean... That sounds
awfully like 99 .8. I mean, me, I'm more like
a Sigourney Weaver type, but, you know, to each
their own, I guess, you know. Okay, Sigourney
Weaver aliens or Sigourney Weaver Paul? Both.
Ghostbusters. Okay, fair. I'll give you that.
How about you? I am not siding with these two
yahoos. I would say, like Samara said, that Gen
Alpha would probably be more along the lines
of AI girlfriends. Gen Z is more engaged in a
relationship or trying to find a relationship.
All in all, I don't think... There has been news
articles breaking that a guy just got engaged
to his AI girlfriend and everything. So Josh,
I think that would be you in the near future.
If it's Lucy Liu. So, yeah, do I think that people
will date AI and stuff like that in the future?
Obviously, basically, yes, they will. I think
that Gen Z, it's scary because AI is advancing
at such a high level. It's so fast. If you guys
watched the first episode of this podcast, which
you probably should because it's amazing, they
do talk about AI revolution and everything. So
yeah, it's advancing incredibly fast. Within
the last two years, we've already gotten insane
evolution on AI and how it works. And I can only
imagine how far it's going to go within the next
two years. And God, I can't even imagine 10 or
20 years from now what AI will be like and what
robots will be like to the point where I think
that it'll be really close to human beings. It's
terrifying to think about. And so, yeah, I definitely
think that people are going to try and find an
escape from human beings by trying to talk to
robots, for sure. Okay, so I feel like people
would... find um like i wouldn't think i don't
think they would find like girlfriends in it
i think they would just find like things to distract
themselves with rather than actual connection
because you if you have like a robot girlfriend
they're never going to be like just like an actual
human girlfriend because they're nobody's perfect
and if you try to find something that's perfect
you will never genuinely be happy because you
would feel like the problem and um you it's really
hard trying to find that kind of connection with
something that's like fake like that's not real
and um if they were to even try i feel like they
would just fail and they would just go back to
actually being in a relationship with somebody
then you know so one thing i've been wondering
about do these different types of ai bots and
even maybe even the robots have any kind of possible
therapeutic use for people who have been involved
in any kind of domestic trauma, is there a possibility
that they could be used for some kind of good
with that? I feel like they could definitely
be used for therapy and something to talk to
somebody or anything. Because most people, before
AI, they would probably just write it down in
a journal or go to actual therapy. And this would
probably help a lot of people if they could just
talk to a random robot and get feedback and everything
off of things that the robot has. heard and everything
and like base it on all of that just so they
can help the one person i would say yes and no
yes like i feel like it would be good to get
like stuff off your chest to like to to an ai
robot and still get feedback and yeah well i
also don't think like i don't think the feedback
would be quite right because like i feel like
you just get like a like a textbook definition
or like just basically chat gbt like responding
like it won't be like a clear concise answer
it'll just be like a broad spectrum but do i
think ai would be used like used for their therapy
yes but again i don't think it would just be
like talking to a normal human like getting feedback
that actually connects straight to you yeah um
i just wanted to talk about one point first about
samara and what she was saying about people dating
and how robots can't be perfect or that they
are perfect and that people need to find you
know like the imperfections in human beings and
that's what makes us human I think that it's
gonna be really difficult for or at least it's
not difficult but for some people many people
and even somebody I know my brother you know
like He's never been in a relationship before.
And so you're going to have plenty of people
that are like that that don't know what they're
looking for when it comes to the imperfections
in a human being. And so when they see a robot
and they see it doing whatever it's doing to
try and get in this relationship or acting like
how it's acting because they're dating, they're
going to think that it's normal because they
don't know what it's like to date a human. So
I think that that's what's going to be really
hard for those people. You know, if they end
up, you know, dating somebody in the future that's
a real person versus, you know, they've been
dating their AI girlfriend for like forever.
But yeah, the therapy part, I definitely think
it'll help a lot of people out for sure. I think
it's difficult though because AI, it's like the
way that they learn. I feel like most jobs, or
at least a lot of them, it just takes like learning
and understanding. specifically with therapy
though i definitely think that there's a more
human side of you need to have a um like you
need to have those experiences yourself to sort
of understand what somebody else is going through
you know sort of empathy they teach you that
a lot and i don't know if a robot will ever be
able to actually learn empathy um i mean i think
that If somebody describes the situation to them
and describes to the robot how they're supposed
to feel, that maybe they might be able to get
close, but I don't think they'll ever actually
truly hit the mark. So that's kind of how I feel
on the situation. I think some jobs they'll be
able to take over and some jobs, specifically
like therapy, I don't know if they'll be able
to actually help out. They'll be able to help
for sure like 100%, but I don't know if they'll
be able to be like the perfect replacement for
a human being. My problem is in more of personal
security. You have, you know, AI, but all that
information is going to be seen by another human
being. You know, you tell an AI this, this, and
that. I tell people who are in places like, hey,
I have these thoughts of suicide. Someone can
see that message and do something with it. You
know, blackmail, why not? And if the AI gets
hacked and asks the user, hey, what's your mother's
maiden name? I just want to know to get closer
to you. someone's going to say it and someone's
going to tell them. And then that's how, you
know, I didn't get stolen. So I'm also worried
on the security side and also considering these
iPad kids nowadays, you know, little kids who
don't go outside bearing their iPads. They're
the type of people who I would see to grow up
to these AI daters. Back to what you said about
mental health and suicidal thoughts, and bringing
that to an AI robot I don't think would necessarily
comfort them. Because I feel like they would
just be like, oh cool, here's a pink slip, fuck
off with your problems and not listen. I feel
like it'll just provide a cheap solution to a
real problem. Yeah, it'll just provide a pre
-made script or basically hand you a pink slip
or here's the suicide hotline or something like
that. So as AI advances, is there maybe a possibility
that it interacts in a way where if those kind
of thoughts or questions are presented, it could
prompt you instead and say, do you want help?
I mean, with AI, like Ian had said, the way that
it's advancing. We're probably not that far away
from that. I mean, I just read something last
week that said we're probably six months to a
year from the singularity. When I said that in
the episode The Dark Trinity, we were talking
12 to 24 months. That's now been revised. So
we're on the edge of the singularity at this
point. True, actual, artificial, generative intelligence.
It could be right around the corner, and it could
be literally no different than talking to a human.
So if you're interacting with a screen that you
think may be a doctor and you don't know it's
an AI, but you're interacting with them and you're
getting human -like responses, AI has passed
the Turing test. They did that not too long ago.
So we have that capability now. So if you're
talking to this doctor on a screen, Maybe it
wasn't disclosed that it was an AI and you're
pouring your heart out like that. And then you
get these prompts and it's like, well, do you
want help? What about that? I mean, get like
getting those prompts of, do you want help? Do
you need help? I feel like that right there is
a clear sign of, Hey, I'm not talking to a human.
I'm not talking to a person that has imperfections.
I'm talking to an AI robot that is programmed
to think that way, to think like a human, to
think that it is a human. But do I 100 % think
that it's going to be like talking to a human?
No, because like everybody in this room has said,
humans have flaws. Like the subject of mental
health and AI, I feel like will be blurred. a
lot like a long a long while okay so although
it is like becoming very like um like how ai
is become very advanced that's what i meant to
say um i still i still think that it would take
a very long time for it to perfect how people
feel emotions because we don't all just feel
like one emotion at one time we feel multiple
emotions at once and um it's very hard to describe
it even as like a person so it'd be like impossible
to describe it to a robot for them to even like
imagine what it feels like which they can't really
feel like because they're a robot but like it's
it's really complex because even like people
talking to a therapist they can't explain how
they really feel So my question to everybody
in this room, do you think AI would get to advance
to the point where we would have kind of like
a Roe v. Wade situation where it would be like
my body, my choice? For the AI itself, like on
behalf of the AI, like I am the AI, you cannot
turn me off, like that kind of situation? Yes.
I feel like saying Roe v. Wade wasn't the right
way to explain it because Roe v. Wade was women's
rights. And that's... Yeah, I... The Rovio Wade
situation was a whole other box of rocks. Maybe
the wrong words. However, I understand why he's...
Will the time come when AI hits the point where
AI gets the right to life as well? That's going
to be a whole other episode. Because holy shit.
I think it might happen, especially once we hit
that point of true AGI and we fully cross that
line. Once the AI is turned on, I don't think
it will be legal to turn it off. Yeah, I don't
know. We'll have to dive into that. I would just
like to apologize for comparing that to Roe v.
Wade. But again, like you said, it might not
have been the best wording, but I got the point
across. legally, would they be allowed to shut
it off once they turn it on? Would it kind of
be like a life support situation? Like, do you
legally have the right to pull the plug or not?
So, does anybody else want to add anything? Going
back to maybe some of the robot takeover things,
I mean, there are the three laws of robotics.
So I'm not that worried about it as long as we
don't try to mess with those three laws and like
add extra wording to it. What if they edit the
three laws themselves? So we'll leave that one
for a whole other episode because I think that's
going to be some good content there. So did you
have another final thought or no? Okay. All right.
Well, this has gone way longer than I intended
for it to and much. more in depth than I honestly
thought that it would, but I'm glad that it did.
You guys have given some really good stuff. So
I want to say thank you for coming over tonight.
What? I want to say thank you as well. Pleasure
being on your podcast. Yeah. I wish I could have
talked to Gibbs, but I'll, I'll have to save
that for another time. But yeah, it was a pleasure
being here. Like they said, it's been a pleasure
being on. Thanks. All right, guys. Thanks for
hanging out. Hope you guys enjoyed, and we'll
see you all next time.