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that dance that line like a toddler dances on

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their mother's last nerve. This podcast is rated

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I. For immature audiences only. Congratulations

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to the class of 2025. Fast food restaurants and

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strip clubs everywhere are now hiring. Welcome

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back to the Now We Consume podcast. I'm your

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host, Gibbs. I'm your host, Pip. With me, as

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always, is my co -host, Gibbs. I am Pip, and

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I'm scared. Oh, my God. So much genitalia. I

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swear I did not take the edibles. I don't know

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about that. That seems like you really did. Yes.

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Jesus Christ. I was looking at the note I had

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for Gibbs, but yes, God, words take the place

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of the mouth tonight. But yes, welcome back to

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the Now We Consume podcast. I do want to give

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a shout out to the class of 2025. Congratulations.

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You've made it through one of the toughest parts

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of life. And as such, your trial subscription

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to life has expired. You will now begin the adult

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service package upgrade, and you do not have

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the option to opt out of it. If you do choose

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to opt out, please do not make a mess on the

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way out. Yikes. Oh, man. Also, that's bold of

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you to assume they would do a strip club and

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not just do OnlyFans. Right. I mean, strip club

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is the gateway to OnlyFans is the way I look

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at it. Keep it classy, at least. Yes. As far

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as the class of 25 goes, my oldest son, Josh,

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he was in that class, so congratulations to him.

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And speaking of my son and messes, since we were

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talking about messes, he told me tonight that

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he thinks Two Girls, One Cup is a great movie.

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We don't need a DNA test for that child. Whoa.

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I am not going to dignify this discussion with

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a response because... Yikes. He's all mine. The

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best part is he's not even biologically mine,

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but he's all mine. Nature versus nurture, buddy.

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Or nurture versus nature. I don't know. I am

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so far off my game tonight. Yeah, well, apparently

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I'm Gibbs, so... Hey! He is like the perfect

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project for a psychologist out there somewhere.

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If you're interested, please apply within. However,

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if you do not recognize the other voice that

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you're hearing tonight, that is our friend Gibbles.

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He had joined us previously in the Right to Death

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episode. Gibbles, if the listeners have not had

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the time to partake of that episode, would you

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please give us a little bit of a background about

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yourself? Ah, another. Another one of these.

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Okay. So I previously was in the U S air force

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for six years. I was a police officer in Washington,

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DC for nearly 13 years of which I had over. Yeah.

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I think I was close to 900 to a thousand arrests

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somewhere in that range over during that time.

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So yeah. Also like long walks on the beach and

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holding hands and staring off into the sunset.

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cuddling after being bottom on anal excellent

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yeah so tonight's episode uh we decided to bring

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gibbles in for because we thought he might have

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some possibly useful insight criminal justice

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and police and prison reform this is this is

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something we have talked a little bit about uh

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throughout various parts of other episodes and

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we wanted to give it the full episode that it

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deserves. Now, I did want to preface things and

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say that on this podcast, we have done some great

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things. We have solved the energy crisis, as

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we did in the POTUS Hope Streams and Legacies,

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and I believe it was the There Is No Spoon episode.

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We solved the national debt via the Doge episode,

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There Is No Spoon. And we solved the education

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problem with the aptly named Fixing the Education

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System episode. But tonight, we're going to try

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to take this one on. Because this is a huge issue

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that plagues the country in all 50 states. And

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whatever districts of Columbia and Columbiana,

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whatever, Canada, 51st state Canada that we have.

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There is no one right answer. There is no one

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right way to do this, but it's an issue that

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needs discussion and discussions that need to

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be had. So it would be great if this episode

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got in front of some eyes and ears that can make

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the conversation happen, but we'll see if that

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can ever happen. So this is a complex and sensitive

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topic, and we understand that. So if you do have

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any feedback, please feel free to chime in. We

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will be trying to cover some of the more key

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areas of police conduct and training, public

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support for or against the police in general.

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Excuse me. Sentencing policies, judicial integrity,

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and prison reform. And I have a fun little head

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exercise for the prison stuff at the end. Head

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exercise? Yes. Knowing you, I am scared to ask.

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Yes. If it is giving or receiving, this is not

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the podcast for that. We're not putting anything

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in the flesh crevice, all right? Prison pocket,

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thank you. I don't like that one, Gibble. I haven't

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heard that before. The flesh crevice? Yes. Listening

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to an audio book. Is that where babies come from?

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My flesh crevice. So Gibbs, did you have anything

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to add in or, or, or Gibbles? Did you have anything

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to add in before we dive into the meat and taters

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here? I, I, I think I would say overall, I would

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have to agree with kind of the setup that we're

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giving this work. This is a highly complex topic.

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And this is something to where I know there's

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several segments of this where we will be addressing

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in other episodes that we'll kind of be touching

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upon. So there might be a couple little things

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that either we don't get to fully flesh out or

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discuss. Also consider, I did want to preface

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that like as a podcast or a show, we don't have

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any affiliations for any either pro or anti -police.

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or corrections or anything like that we don't

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have any sort of connections or anything monetarily

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i'm only doing that as a disclaimer because if

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somebody comes out of saying oh you're pro or

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against brother brother no no i'm sorry no we're

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just people talking people trying to solve the

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world one uh one weird podcast at a time yeah

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sounds good yes all righty so uh we'll dive right

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in and uh discuss the Rise of documented police

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abuse of power. This is something that thanks

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to the internet and handheld devices of all types

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has been getting documented and discussed more

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fervently than ever before, because now it can

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be shown every single day of the week and every

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week of the year. Citizens. Thanks to body cams

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and bystander videos, dash cams and everything

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can show whether police are engaging in proper

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stops, proper use of force, proper use of the

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Constitution, essentially. Which is very good.

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Right. Did you ever have any, what are they,

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reports or whatnot brought up on you for anything

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like that? Like you did stuff wrong? Oh, I had

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quite a few times where, you know, people would

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complain. It was sent to the office of police

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complaints, where if a citizen felt that you

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did something wrong constitutionally, criminally

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or anything like that, they were allowed to file

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a complaint with the city. And it would be basically

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they would take the time to look to see if you

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actually did these things. And from an officer

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standpoint, you were guilty until proven innocent.

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You weren't innocent until proven guilty. It

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was just automatically assumed that you did whatever

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it was. And now you have to prove that you didn't

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do it. My favorite was a gentleman. He filed

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a complaint stating that I basically stomped

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a mud hole in his butt. And it was when I was

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pulling him out of a police cruiser. And I got

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sent to the office with the attorney. She sat

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there and started going over the complaint, explaining

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what it was about, who was making the complaint,

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gave me a second to review some old notes, see

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what it was from that particular scene that would

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help me remember things. Well, for me, it wasn't

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too hard because it happened just within like

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a month or so. And the first thing I asked her,

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I was like, so he's complaining about me taking

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him on a police cruiser right before I put him

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into a jail cell so he can be searched. Yes.

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Okay. Did you take the time to watch the video

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footage that we have cameras that go all the

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way around the carport? including no matter what

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angle it is. So you can see what the officer's

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doing with the citizen. So if the citizen does

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something criminal, the officer's protected,

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just like if the officer does something criminal,

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the officers, you know, the citizens protected.

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And she looked at me like she was completely

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dumb. So I told her, I was like, all you have

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to do is watch the video. I got time. So she

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ended up getting the video footage of it, showed

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what exactly what happened. And I was exonerated

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and sent on my way. And I just, Told her, hey,

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let the citizen know. Thanks for the overtime.

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Awesome. Yeah. Yeah, that's the nice thing. The

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body cams and the recorded video don't just show

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when the police are in the wrong. They show when

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the citizens are in the wrong. Even when they

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think they're in the right. Yeah, and let me

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tell you, the citizens that like to do the cruddy

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stuff and like to commit crime and all that,

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they are not happy about the body cameras because

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they can't lie. They can't get around it. When

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I was with DC, it's been since 2019 that I've

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left. The amount of complaints when we initiated

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the body cam program to when I was going out

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the door, the police complaints went through

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the floor because of the fact that all the squeaky

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wheels couldn't file a complaint really anymore

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because Yeah, there are bad cops and yeah, things

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happen to where it shouldn't. And obviously real

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complaints really do get investigated and things

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are taken care of. But a large majority of them,

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it was the drug boys on the street corner getting

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pissed because an officer was doing their job

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and they knew if they filed a complaint, he would

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go away for a while or she would go away for

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a while. And that's the job. I know you. Exactly.

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Exactly. So once the body cameras came out, I

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loved it. Yeah. I think that's one of the big

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misunderstandings that a lot of people have is

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they think that, oh, police brutality and violence

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are way up and all these other problems. No,

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it's unfortunately part of human nature to where

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I think any law enforcement group throughout

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history up until the last 10 years or so. has

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always been a bit heavy -handed because, quite

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frankly, in many smaller areas with no oversight,

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you can get away with whatever you want. Exactly.

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Whereas now, because of that accountability on

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all ends, it has gotten a lot better, significantly

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better on all sides in terms of all the data

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you can look at. And mind you, this also protects

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a lot of citizens because, boy, I couldn't imagine

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the amount of people that got away with shit

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back 20, 30, 50 years ago. You would never know.

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Look at the story of Ruby Ridge. you know oh

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yeah yeah that's a that's a whole lot of fuckery

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that was nothing but a couple of good old boys

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who were running that whole show that's all right

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prince yeah but also didn't ruby ridge happen

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like a couple of days after some other incident

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so there was like something else happened to

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for that to cover up uh jeez i have to go back

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and research that we still have to do our episode

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on the uselessness of three letter agencies yes

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um and the alphabet Agencies that do nothing.

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It's on the docket. When I first joined D .C.

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Police, when I went to the 6th District, there

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was, you know, the stories that were told of

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what Prince George's County would do out of Maryland

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because, you know, where the 6th District was

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and where Maryland was, you know, the high crime

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areas. Officers from D .C. would find people

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stuck in bushes or laid out in alleyways and

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stuff where they would get caught up with the

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Prince George's County police. And instead of

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them arresting the person or just dealing with

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it appropriately, they would give them the police

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officer tax, i .e. they'd beat the ever living

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snot out of them. And then they would dump them

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in D .C. like it was our problem. Luckily, I

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never found that, but it was talked about heavily

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when I first joined. So I was worried I was going

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to be walking down the street and just see some

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feet sticking out of a bush and some poor bastards

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knocked out. Like, well, geez. Oh, yeah. And

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that does go with the the lack of, I think, police.

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And this is still a problem to today. The lack

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of police accountability. Yeah. In terms of the

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higher ups. One of the problems, at least now

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I was never involved with law enforcement. I

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do know some other people besides yourself that

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are that were and or are involved. One of the

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things I've heard about is the people that are

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higher in the police departments are typically

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more politicians rather than officers. Exactly.

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The actual officers that are all the lower to

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mid -level guys, but the top level people, unfortunately,

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they're politicians. And so they're not really

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as concerned with the effective policing as much

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as how the data shows or how things appear to

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look. Oh yeah. It's the accountability part,

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you know, even in our nation's capital, they're

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more concerned about, like you said, the numbers,

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they don't care about, you know, what happened

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down on the street corner. Yeah. They're going

00:16:03.480 --> 00:16:06.600
to come on TV and blow smoke up everybody's butt

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and talk about how, yeah. Oh yes. We're, we're

00:16:09.080 --> 00:16:11.299
totally care. As soon as that camera's gone,

00:16:11.419 --> 00:16:14.860
it's back to the same old, same old. Oh, you

00:16:14.860 --> 00:16:16.879
made a burglary report? Oh, we're going to knock

00:16:16.879 --> 00:16:21.019
that down to an unlawful entry. Stupid shit like

00:16:21.019 --> 00:16:29.320
that. So, yeah. It seems like there's still a

00:16:29.320 --> 00:16:33.600
lot of people in the wrong places that are capable

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of exerting too much influence. And from the

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last I heard from some guys that are still on,

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I will not name names, but they take in the body

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camera program in D .C. and they have absolutely

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warped in into something that's a little disgusting

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in a way. Whereas now, say you're on a you know,

00:16:54.509 --> 00:16:57.769
you're doing your 10 hour shift and there's part

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of the shift where, you know, there's not a lot

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going on and there's only so many times you're

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going to walk the same blocks. And you know for

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a fact during your shift during these certain

00:17:07.650 --> 00:17:11.230
periods, nothing's happening. So you set up your

00:17:11.230 --> 00:17:13.710
police cruiser in a spot, you know, high visibility.

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So if a citizen needs to talk to you or whatever,

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you could be sitting there waiting. And you got

00:17:21.490 --> 00:17:25.269
officials now who already were treating officers

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like they were children anyways, even though

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everyone's an adult. They'll sit there and watch

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to see what you're doing at that moment. And

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if they don't like what they see, they'll call

00:17:35.000 --> 00:17:37.940
you up on the radio and figure out why it is

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you're not doing what they think you should be

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doing. Yeah. So they're micromanaging. Oh, yeah.

00:17:44.839 --> 00:17:46.900
Well, they already micromanaged anyways, but

00:17:46.900 --> 00:17:49.900
they're taking it to the extreme now. And then

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not only the fact that, but say you make an arrest.

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You as the officer are not allowed to review

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the video footage from your arrest. Oh, yeah.

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And D .C., when you make an arrest as an officer

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or you make any kind of contact with citizens

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and so forth, and then you want to review the

00:18:15.410 --> 00:18:17.910
video footage so you can make an articulated

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report correct and factual, you can't do that.

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It's against MPDC policy to do so. And the attorney

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general and the mayor of all people are trying

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to change that. But as of right now, they're

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having a lot of cases thrown out because the

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report will say the narrative will say one thing

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and then the body cameras shows something else.

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And because the two don't mash up, they toss

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it out because it throws the officer's credibility

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into the can. And technically it could be the

00:18:49.960 --> 00:18:53.119
smallest thing. Yeah. That is incorrect. Like,

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you know, holding something in the left hand

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rather than right hand, they could say, well,

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that story's inaccurate, so the whole report's

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inaccurate. Exactly. Yeah, which is ridiculous.

00:19:02.319 --> 00:19:05.059
Wow. You know, that should be up to discretion

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at that point. You know, because I understand

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one thing, if somebody did something completely

00:19:09.019 --> 00:19:11.259
wrong and then they could not retell anything

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what happened, they went to go to the, you know,

00:19:13.640 --> 00:19:15.880
body camera footage to then maybe save their

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ass. Like, all right, you know, come on, you

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should kind of be paying more attention to what

00:19:19.440 --> 00:19:22.599
you're doing. to look for like little details

00:19:22.599 --> 00:19:25.220
to be able to get out of something is kind of

00:19:25.220 --> 00:19:28.059
insane. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, just the fact

00:19:28.059 --> 00:19:30.319
that you came and look at it at all as the officer

00:19:30.319 --> 00:19:33.319
who was just there, like seriously, what if there

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was a key detail for, you know, I'm doing an

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investigation and I didn't realize what I was

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looking at and then saw it and went, Oh, right.

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That's what was going on. Yeah, of course, you

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still got to have the argument of while you're

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there and you're looking at things, you got to

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have the reasonable suspicion to figure out whether

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you got probable cause and all that good jazz.

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And yeah, I get that part. You shouldn't be reviewing

00:20:01.000 --> 00:20:03.519
video footage to figure that part out. You should

00:20:03.519 --> 00:20:07.339
already know what that is. But like I said, it's

00:20:07.339 --> 00:20:09.299
just like the little things. Like, you know,

00:20:09.319 --> 00:20:12.079
you walked in a room and boo -boo is sitting

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on your left. You know, Sinead is over on your

00:20:16.029 --> 00:20:18.650
right. You know, things like that. If you don't

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get certain details right, you know, they're

00:20:20.789 --> 00:20:22.589
going to be like calling into question your memory.

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Hold things out. Yeah. Especially if that's,

00:20:27.910 --> 00:20:38.829
you know, integral to the narrative. That. I'm

00:20:38.829 --> 00:20:41.150
honestly kind of lost for words just because.

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I didn't know the cops couldn't review their

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own video. In D .C., they can. Don't quote me

00:20:47.549 --> 00:20:50.890
for other places, but in D .C., you can. Okay.

00:20:51.109 --> 00:20:54.170
Well, just that one fact. If that's a policy

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in any other stations or whatnot or precincts,

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not being able to review your own video can screw

00:21:01.549 --> 00:21:03.569
up your whole report, I would think, because

00:21:03.569 --> 00:21:07.710
if you're in a heated situation, you're not going

00:21:07.710 --> 00:21:10.269
to be able to recall details. Right. You you

00:21:10.269 --> 00:21:13.309
would then need the video, I would think, to

00:21:13.309 --> 00:21:16.809
recall the details of what led to this. I can't

00:21:16.809 --> 00:21:18.950
fucking remember because I was getting shot at

00:21:18.950 --> 00:21:21.509
or I was trying to dodge a knife attack. Something.

00:21:21.569 --> 00:21:24.910
Yeah. Yeah. I could see that. They're trying

00:21:24.910 --> 00:21:27.250
to get that changed. I would support that, I

00:21:27.250 --> 00:21:29.609
think. Yeah. Yeah. It's one of those rare moments

00:21:29.609 --> 00:21:31.869
where I'm looking at, you know, Mayor Bowser

00:21:31.869 --> 00:21:35.890
going, you know, I actually agree with you on

00:21:35.890 --> 00:21:41.410
something. And that is rare. Yeah. I'm surprised

00:21:41.410 --> 00:21:44.569
the police union let that go through. I'm shocked

00:21:44.569 --> 00:21:46.089
as you are. I know it's not up to them, but like,

00:21:46.190 --> 00:21:48.289
you know. That should have been something they

00:21:48.289 --> 00:21:50.289
should have been fighting for all along. Because

00:21:50.289 --> 00:21:51.849
when I first heard that they were going to start

00:21:51.849 --> 00:21:55.250
marketing, you know, when they first came out

00:21:55.250 --> 00:22:00.029
the body camera footage program, the union actually

00:22:00.029 --> 00:22:03.269
was with everybody saying, okay, yeah, this is

00:22:03.269 --> 00:22:05.759
going to be a great program. Everybody agreed,

00:22:05.940 --> 00:22:09.579
including myself. And it started off great. And

00:22:09.579 --> 00:22:11.839
one of the things that the union was specifying

00:22:11.839 --> 00:22:14.380
is, oh, well, they're not going to use it to

00:22:14.380 --> 00:22:16.720
watch you. They're not going to sit there and

00:22:16.720 --> 00:22:19.299
use this to burn you because of the fact that

00:22:19.299 --> 00:22:21.740
they want this for the contacts with the citizens.

00:22:21.779 --> 00:22:25.539
So we have evidence. But within a few months,

00:22:25.680 --> 00:22:29.769
almost a year. I'd say it was like less than

00:22:29.769 --> 00:22:32.769
six months. They were reviewing footage from

00:22:32.769 --> 00:22:35.730
officers on the street and they were burning

00:22:35.730 --> 00:22:38.170
officers for cussing, you know, when they went

00:22:38.170 --> 00:22:41.109
active for, you know, going to an assignment.

00:22:42.690 --> 00:22:46.150
Like, seriously, you're going to burn an officer

00:22:46.150 --> 00:22:51.930
because he said the word fuck. Okay. And it's

00:22:51.930 --> 00:22:53.769
just progressively gotten more authoritarian

00:22:53.769 --> 00:23:01.670
from there. You mean to tell me an inner city

00:23:01.670 --> 00:23:04.470
police department was acting in an authoritarian

00:23:04.470 --> 00:23:10.690
manner? I know. No, never. And this is coming

00:23:10.690 --> 00:23:14.289
from a guy that I've arrested other cops. I don't

00:23:14.289 --> 00:23:15.970
give a shit. You break the law, you break the

00:23:15.970 --> 00:23:22.190
law. I don't care what you're wearing. So. Good.

00:23:22.890 --> 00:23:27.289
Yeah. Which, I mean, that's important for accountability.

00:23:30.659 --> 00:23:33.240
I had a lieutenant once tell me I wasn't doing

00:23:33.240 --> 00:23:37.000
my job. I wrote his ass a ticket. So there you

00:23:37.000 --> 00:23:41.460
go. I'm doing my job. Fuck around, find out.

00:23:41.920 --> 00:23:45.359
He tells me I'm not doing my job and then proceeds

00:23:45.359 --> 00:23:47.720
to park illegally in an alleyway along with about

00:23:47.720 --> 00:23:50.660
15 other people. I said, okay, well, everybody's

00:23:50.660 --> 00:23:52.740
getting a ticket, including you. I'm doing my

00:23:52.740 --> 00:23:56.650
job. And then he proceeded to get pissed because

00:23:56.650 --> 00:24:01.990
I wrote him a ticket. Well, he broke the law.

00:24:02.390 --> 00:24:05.690
Exactly. I think that's one of the big things

00:24:05.690 --> 00:24:08.069
a lot of people, including myself, get really

00:24:08.069 --> 00:24:11.349
sick of. Our law enforcement officers obviously

00:24:11.349 --> 00:24:14.650
just not following the law or even in the spirit

00:24:14.650 --> 00:24:18.730
of the law. I knew someone growing up and I obviously

00:24:18.730 --> 00:24:21.250
I can't name them for very obvious reasons, but.

00:24:21.769 --> 00:24:25.190
I would see, mind you, this kid's dad was part

00:24:25.190 --> 00:24:27.470
of the local police department. He would straight

00:24:27.470 --> 00:24:30.329
up grab his undercover cruiser to go grocery

00:24:30.329 --> 00:24:33.630
shopping, do usual stuff, do whatever. And he

00:24:33.630 --> 00:24:35.069
would straight up throw his lights on. He would

00:24:35.069 --> 00:24:38.630
do 90 -95 down the fast lane, put his lights

00:24:38.630 --> 00:24:40.910
on for a second, get people out of the way. One

00:24:40.910 --> 00:24:42.529
of the worst things I saw was he had his kids

00:24:42.529 --> 00:24:45.609
in the car, just no seatbelts on, doing about

00:24:45.609 --> 00:24:48.589
85 -90 down the highway. Mind you, I was also

00:24:48.589 --> 00:24:51.079
in the car. Granted, I was the only freaking

00:24:51.079 --> 00:24:54.299
person buckled, so I get why people sometimes

00:24:54.299 --> 00:24:56.819
are like, what the fuck? Why do you guys should

00:24:56.819 --> 00:24:58.960
get to absolutely not obey the law whatsoever?

00:24:59.819 --> 00:25:01.460
Unfortunately, there are several officers around

00:25:01.460 --> 00:25:02.779
here that have been arrested and have all this

00:25:02.779 --> 00:25:04.859
stuff happen because they think they're above

00:25:04.859 --> 00:25:08.099
it. They just don't seem to care. Just like any

00:25:08.099 --> 00:25:10.380
job, there's bad apples. People say it all the

00:25:10.380 --> 00:25:15.319
time, but it's true. When I was patrolling and

00:25:15.319 --> 00:25:18.420
I saw it happen, I was coming after you because

00:25:18.420 --> 00:25:25.039
if I got to do it, You got to do it. Yep. Which

00:25:25.039 --> 00:25:27.460
I guess that's a good segue into our next point.

00:25:29.759 --> 00:25:32.039
Enhancing police effectiveness, training and

00:25:32.039 --> 00:25:35.539
support. The critical need for more and better

00:25:35.539 --> 00:25:39.119
training. Things like de -escalation techniques,

00:25:39.519 --> 00:25:42.440
crisis intervention training for mental health

00:25:42.440 --> 00:25:47.680
and domestic disputes. The implicit bias and

00:25:47.680 --> 00:25:50.650
cultural sensitivity training. Oh, that's all

00:25:50.650 --> 00:25:54.329
just garbage there. Sorry. I kind of thought

00:25:54.329 --> 00:25:56.890
so, but... Yeah, it's a bunch of trash. I really

00:25:56.890 --> 00:26:01.190
wanted to bring it up only because it's been

00:26:01.190 --> 00:26:03.730
pushed especially hard in the last several years.

00:26:04.609 --> 00:26:08.789
Yeah. A lot of people out in the civilian world

00:26:08.789 --> 00:26:12.710
that I know of and that I've talked to feel that

00:26:12.710 --> 00:26:15.369
the sensitivity type training is literally just

00:26:15.369 --> 00:26:21.430
a load of bullshit. It is. So... The use of force

00:26:21.430 --> 00:26:25.630
continuum and alternatives to lethal force. When

00:26:25.630 --> 00:26:31.829
it comes to police and the use of force. Yeah,

00:26:31.890 --> 00:26:37.369
the force continuum. I have a little bit of insight

00:26:37.369 --> 00:26:39.650
because at one point I was going through the

00:26:39.650 --> 00:26:43.130
police academy, but I also understand that police

00:26:43.130 --> 00:26:47.490
have literal split seconds to make a decision.

00:26:49.000 --> 00:26:51.960
And they have only the information in front of

00:26:51.960 --> 00:26:56.779
them to react with. Yep. Everybody who sees the

00:26:56.779 --> 00:27:00.279
event unfold on video or from a distance and

00:27:00.279 --> 00:27:03.519
then whatnot gets different angles, different

00:27:03.519 --> 00:27:06.880
perspectives, different amounts of time to review

00:27:06.880 --> 00:27:10.680
and judge and everything else. Yeah. You got

00:27:10.680 --> 00:27:13.859
to have the totality of the circumstance to know

00:27:13.859 --> 00:27:19.059
exactly what's happening. It is my own opinion

00:27:19.059 --> 00:27:23.400
that judging people for the use of force before

00:27:23.400 --> 00:27:29.180
all the details are out is wholly unjust because

00:27:29.180 --> 00:27:32.920
you do not know what they saw. We had an officer

00:27:32.920 --> 00:27:37.279
up here in Ohio, I want to say it was a couple

00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:41.240
years ago, ended up shooting a person because

00:27:41.240 --> 00:27:44.140
they reached into their car to get something.

00:27:45.160 --> 00:27:47.220
The narrative was they were trying to get something

00:27:47.220 --> 00:27:53.059
to give to the officer. The officer saw a black

00:27:53.059 --> 00:27:56.339
object being withdrawn from the car. The officer

00:27:56.339 --> 00:27:59.660
said it appeared to him to be a firearm. The

00:27:59.660 --> 00:28:02.700
subject had been unruly and angry towards the

00:28:02.700 --> 00:28:06.559
officer. So when they turned around quickly and

00:28:06.559 --> 00:28:08.880
with their arm extended with the object in it,

00:28:08.940 --> 00:28:15.039
the officer reacted. Everybody who saw the video

00:28:15.039 --> 00:28:19.279
from that angle said, yes, I would have done

00:28:19.279 --> 00:28:23.319
the same thing. Everybody who saw it from a different

00:28:23.319 --> 00:28:26.599
angle said, oh, that was clearly not a gun. You

00:28:26.599 --> 00:28:28.960
can see right there. Well, yeah, because they're

00:28:28.960 --> 00:28:31.319
not at the same angle. From there you can see,

00:28:31.539 --> 00:28:36.420
but how about from here? Right. So, yeah, he

00:28:36.420 --> 00:28:40.259
ended up, it turned out to not be a gun, but

00:28:40.259 --> 00:28:42.599
it was the way that they were acting. And it

00:28:42.599 --> 00:28:47.000
was the way that they presented the object. And

00:28:47.000 --> 00:28:49.819
the same, the same applies for a traffic stop.

00:28:50.480 --> 00:28:53.279
When a cop pulls you over and they see somebody

00:28:53.279 --> 00:28:56.279
just shifting around and, and, and rifling around

00:28:56.279 --> 00:28:59.720
and shit and being all weird in, in the car,

00:28:59.900 --> 00:29:03.539
their, their senses and their awareness gets

00:29:03.539 --> 00:29:05.640
heightened. Their readiness gets heightened.

00:29:06.660 --> 00:29:09.460
They're already ready for something to go wrong.

00:29:10.799 --> 00:29:12.740
So if you get pulled over, just sit there and

00:29:12.740 --> 00:29:17.440
wait. That's all you got to do. That's also a

00:29:17.440 --> 00:29:20.180
lot of training scenarios and stuff. And because

00:29:20.180 --> 00:29:23.480
there's been many times I watch officers and

00:29:23.480 --> 00:29:25.619
state troopers on the side row when they're doing

00:29:25.619 --> 00:29:28.539
their traffic stops. And I just I want to scream

00:29:28.539 --> 00:29:30.759
that you're such a rookie because they end up

00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:34.000
going into the fatal funnel of the vehicle and

00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:38.190
they go fast. That line where the two doors,

00:29:38.269 --> 00:29:40.809
you know, four door sedan, you got that part

00:29:40.809 --> 00:29:44.690
in the middle where the two doors meet up and

00:29:44.690 --> 00:29:47.809
you're not supposed to go past that. And there's

00:29:47.809 --> 00:29:50.410
so many times I watch an officer just walk right

00:29:50.410 --> 00:29:52.650
up, put their head right up into the window there.

00:29:52.930 --> 00:29:56.150
And it's like all it would take is just one jackass

00:29:56.150 --> 00:29:58.789
to go. Guess what? I'm killing a cop today. And

00:29:58.789 --> 00:30:01.289
there had been nothing that officer could do

00:30:01.289 --> 00:30:03.369
about it because they put themselves in that

00:30:03.369 --> 00:30:06.710
place. And every time I see it, I'm just like,

00:30:06.750 --> 00:30:14.950
you're all dumb. Yeah. But, yeah. What was that,

00:30:15.009 --> 00:30:17.150
Gibbs? One of my recommendations would be to

00:30:17.150 --> 00:30:18.869
anybody in the civilian world that's never really

00:30:18.869 --> 00:30:21.809
had any firearms training or situational training,

00:30:21.990 --> 00:30:25.210
there are many local training places, local is

00:30:25.210 --> 00:30:26.410
a relative term depending on where you live,

00:30:26.490 --> 00:30:28.990
but you can do some of these active shooter or

00:30:28.990 --> 00:30:31.670
some of these even self -defense scenarios to

00:30:31.670 --> 00:30:34.230
be able to understand. how quickly you have to

00:30:34.230 --> 00:30:37.069
decide whether to use that firearm i know we've

00:30:37.069 --> 00:30:39.190
discussed it before a lot in firearms on this

00:30:39.190 --> 00:30:43.009
channel um and in this podcast but it's something

00:30:43.009 --> 00:30:46.710
to where and i do have to reiterate don't be

00:30:46.710 --> 00:30:50.529
too hard on certain officers before you know

00:30:50.529 --> 00:30:53.529
all of the information all the circumstances

00:30:54.410 --> 00:30:57.269
And to understand that there might be a lot of

00:30:57.269 --> 00:30:58.809
other information, things like they're looking

00:30:58.809 --> 00:31:02.390
out for local gangs, local violence. They might

00:31:02.390 --> 00:31:03.930
have hit the profile for someone that they're

00:31:03.930 --> 00:31:05.450
really worried about or there's something going

00:31:05.450 --> 00:31:08.490
on. You never really know. I see this all the

00:31:08.490 --> 00:31:10.230
time with a lot of media where people put up

00:31:10.230 --> 00:31:13.130
absolute BS stuff. And by the way, because the

00:31:13.130 --> 00:31:16.309
problems with AI, I want everybody to be extremely

00:31:16.309 --> 00:31:18.809
careful going forward. If there's any sort of

00:31:18.809 --> 00:31:20.869
shooting or anything that happens, there are

00:31:20.869 --> 00:31:23.430
already people trying to do this stuff and create.

00:31:24.079 --> 00:31:26.940
fake shootings fake violence fake things this

00:31:26.940 --> 00:31:28.119
is going to be something that's going to be a

00:31:28.119 --> 00:31:29.880
big issue or they're going to take the actual

00:31:29.880 --> 00:31:34.140
videos and distort them so i really really really

00:31:34.140 --> 00:31:36.019
and i'm not one to trust the media i'm not one

00:31:36.019 --> 00:31:38.980
to really do that but do not just knee -jerk

00:31:38.980 --> 00:31:41.599
reaction regardless whether it's in defense of

00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:46.799
a a victim or an officer or a bystander whoever

00:31:46.799 --> 00:31:49.619
please reserve your judgments and don't be just

00:31:49.619 --> 00:31:51.980
going online and spreading hate or anything like

00:31:51.980 --> 00:31:54.759
that Either way or the other, because you don't

00:31:54.759 --> 00:31:57.579
really know anymore what's going on. And you

00:31:57.579 --> 00:32:00.180
also don't know all the events leading up to

00:32:00.180 --> 00:32:03.200
that. The second part of the point I wanted to

00:32:03.200 --> 00:32:06.519
make, which is something that you are 100 % right

00:32:06.519 --> 00:32:08.019
when we talk about we don't know all the circumstances

00:32:08.019 --> 00:32:10.900
when it comes to these things. Look at what happened

00:32:10.900 --> 00:32:12.720
in, let's just say, the hands up, don't shoot

00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:16.420
the Zimmerman case. Or look even what happened

00:32:16.420 --> 00:32:18.339
with George Floyd and everything else. There's

00:32:18.339 --> 00:32:20.140
been so many situations where a media narrative

00:32:20.140 --> 00:32:24.400
comes out that is pushed. And you find out days,

00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:26.680
weeks, or even months later that that was not

00:32:26.680 --> 00:32:30.859
the whole totality. So while it's easy to be

00:32:30.859 --> 00:32:32.740
hurt. I was going to say, I feel bad for that

00:32:32.740 --> 00:32:34.539
rookie that was from that George Floyd thing.

00:32:34.660 --> 00:32:37.700
He was a scapegoat. We should not have gotten

00:32:37.700 --> 00:32:43.259
him. The sad part is he did what was recommended

00:32:43.259 --> 00:32:47.019
and trained in that police department. That's

00:32:47.019 --> 00:32:49.440
the sad part, is it could have been any other

00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:52.670
officer. That would have done exactly the same

00:32:52.670 --> 00:32:56.450
thing and if you watch the entirety of the police

00:32:56.450 --> 00:32:59.750
tapes with Floyd What really stinks is like the

00:32:59.750 --> 00:33:01.809
dude was on a lot of different drugs or a lot

00:33:01.809 --> 00:33:04.450
of things going on with it and The police handled

00:33:04.450 --> 00:33:08.150
it by the book and what's crazy is it's kind

00:33:08.150 --> 00:33:12.369
of hard to It sucks and sometimes you can't avoid

00:33:12.369 --> 00:33:15.109
an accident or sometimes you can't avoid an unfortunate

00:33:15.109 --> 00:33:17.940
circumstance Do I think anyone deserves to die

00:33:17.940 --> 00:33:20.299
or something like that? No, that's not it at

00:33:20.299 --> 00:33:24.440
all. That's incredibly, that's tragic. But at

00:33:24.440 --> 00:33:27.700
the same point, when a civilian or a citizen

00:33:27.700 --> 00:33:30.259
doesn't do anything to help their situation and

00:33:30.259 --> 00:33:32.380
they force it down to that point, you have to

00:33:32.380 --> 00:33:33.759
look at it from sometimes the officer perspective

00:33:33.759 --> 00:33:36.700
going, what else can they do? And sometimes you

00:33:36.700 --> 00:33:39.099
leave officers with no choice. When you're talking

00:33:39.099 --> 00:33:40.460
about, hey, if you're being pulled over, like

00:33:40.460 --> 00:33:41.700
you were mentioning earlier, people being shifty

00:33:41.700 --> 00:33:44.809
and acting weird. I know it sounds simple, but

00:33:44.809 --> 00:33:47.329
like if you're not doing anything illegal and

00:33:47.329 --> 00:33:50.470
if you're just chill with an officer, I don't

00:33:50.470 --> 00:33:52.170
know about you. Maybe it's because of my like

00:33:52.170 --> 00:33:54.009
experience and how I'm just like very nice and

00:33:54.009 --> 00:33:57.829
chill with everybody. I have never once had a

00:33:57.829 --> 00:34:00.190
bad interaction with an officer and I live near

00:34:00.190 --> 00:34:02.369
a big metropolitan area that note that is known

00:34:02.369 --> 00:34:05.490
to have like BS police. And every time, even

00:34:05.490 --> 00:34:07.559
if I was pulled over speeding, I'd be like. hey

00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:09.199
how you doing what can i do i'll help you with

00:34:09.199 --> 00:34:10.780
they're like you were speaking like yeah i know

00:34:10.780 --> 00:34:13.179
i'm a dumb ass sorry about that and they're like

00:34:13.179 --> 00:34:15.219
cool just don't do it again i'm like thanks i

00:34:15.219 --> 00:34:18.139
appreciate it have a nice day and that's it like

00:34:18.139 --> 00:34:19.880
that's because of the fact that you're being

00:34:19.880 --> 00:34:23.039
a nice person yeah you know you make it take

00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:26.760
a lump but most officers i didn't hardly ever

00:34:26.760 --> 00:34:30.380
know any when i was working that if you were

00:34:30.380 --> 00:34:32.159
nice to them they were going to treat you like

00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:36.070
crap I appreciate it when the person was like,

00:34:36.210 --> 00:34:38.170
oh, hey, how are you doing? I'm sorry what I

00:34:38.170 --> 00:34:39.969
did. You know, before you had a chance to speak,

00:34:40.070 --> 00:34:42.010
it's like, well, thank you for acknowledging

00:34:42.010 --> 00:34:44.710
that you screwed up. Here's your warning and

00:34:44.710 --> 00:34:50.710
be on your way. Exactly. And I know anecdotal

00:34:50.710 --> 00:34:52.550
information is not going to be valid for everybody.

00:34:52.650 --> 00:34:58.010
I'm aware of that. But if you just understand

00:34:58.010 --> 00:35:01.369
that those are also people doing a job and have

00:35:01.369 --> 00:35:03.969
a little bit of compassion. that can go a long

00:35:03.969 --> 00:35:07.150
way because i have had officers even be like

00:35:07.150 --> 00:35:08.989
you know because i'm that kind of person when

00:35:08.989 --> 00:35:11.389
i go to shows and go to places oh you say hi

00:35:11.389 --> 00:35:13.449
like how are things going what's up how you doing

00:35:13.449 --> 00:35:16.130
especially like in my line of work since we do

00:35:16.130 --> 00:35:17.750
work with a couple local police departments like

00:35:17.750 --> 00:35:20.190
fixing vehicles and doing stuff it's like i interact

00:35:20.190 --> 00:35:23.170
with them a lot so for me it's like i don't know

00:35:23.170 --> 00:35:26.630
maybe it's just my my experience but i've never

00:35:26.630 --> 00:35:29.510
had any issues but that's also you're not treating

00:35:29.510 --> 00:35:31.250
like a piece of shit whereas i see a lot of people

00:35:31.250 --> 00:35:33.090
that automatically like you know fuck you you're

00:35:33.090 --> 00:35:35.230
this you're that you're scum it's like well you're

00:35:35.230 --> 00:35:37.230
not helping yourself buddy if you're getting

00:35:37.230 --> 00:35:38.989
pulled over and already acting like a jackass

00:35:38.989 --> 00:35:41.769
it's like well why wouldn't the officer arrest

00:35:41.769 --> 00:35:44.250
like i hate to say that but like it's like i

00:35:44.250 --> 00:35:47.389
you know i think my favorite officer interaction

00:35:47.389 --> 00:35:51.550
video i've seen as of late was the uh the the

00:35:51.550 --> 00:35:54.909
gay couple out in california who was pulled over

00:35:54.909 --> 00:36:00.849
and uh He ended up threatening one with being

00:36:00.849 --> 00:36:04.489
detained by the Humane Society because he identified

00:36:04.489 --> 00:36:08.929
as a cat. Wow. His identification was a collar,

00:36:09.070 --> 00:36:12.849
and he was driving the car and everything. Oh,

00:36:12.869 --> 00:36:16.530
geez. I'll have to try to link that or something,

00:36:16.670 --> 00:36:19.150
but it was hilarious. But the cop handled it

00:36:19.150 --> 00:36:22.309
wonderfully. He was like, okay, so here are your

00:36:22.309 --> 00:36:25.050
options. You can either do this or you can do

00:36:25.050 --> 00:36:27.599
this. Is it the one that basically said that,

00:36:27.619 --> 00:36:30.119
like, well, if you identify as a cat or an animal,

00:36:30.219 --> 00:36:31.579
that means you're not actually legally allowed

00:36:31.579 --> 00:36:33.500
to drive a vehicle. Like, I'm going to have to

00:36:33.500 --> 00:36:34.880
ask you to exit the vehicle and have somebody

00:36:34.880 --> 00:36:36.820
else that's legally allowed to drive this. And

00:36:36.820 --> 00:36:38.619
then I realized, like, oh, shit, I can't actually

00:36:38.619 --> 00:36:40.760
identify as that. Like, that's good. Because

00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:42.039
he did cite, he's like, well, that's actually

00:36:42.039 --> 00:36:45.039
a legal issue. Exactly. Like, I don't have to

00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:47.840
tell you, but the law applies to people. If you're

00:36:47.840 --> 00:36:51.679
identifying as not a people, then what can I

00:36:51.679 --> 00:36:53.760
do? You're kind of giving up that privilege.

00:36:54.670 --> 00:36:58.329
Yeah, I had one where it was two young ladies

00:36:58.329 --> 00:37:03.050
in a BMW. We recently changed the policies in

00:37:03.050 --> 00:37:06.090
D .C. about how we impounded vehicles and stuff.

00:37:06.309 --> 00:37:09.630
Well, vehicle wasn't registered. Young lady,

00:37:09.829 --> 00:37:13.590
she had a license, but she didn't have insurance

00:37:13.590 --> 00:37:18.050
on her. And gosh, what was I originally pulling

00:37:18.050 --> 00:37:21.130
her over for? I think it was like a taillight

00:37:21.130 --> 00:37:23.630
out or something like that. It was something

00:37:23.630 --> 00:37:27.289
simple. So pull them over. I come up, introduce

00:37:27.289 --> 00:37:29.869
myself, like always tell them why I pulled them

00:37:29.869 --> 00:37:33.230
over. And immediately is bad, bad, bad, bad,

00:37:33.369 --> 00:37:36.469
bad, bad, bad. Just, just going nuts. Like, how

00:37:36.469 --> 00:37:40.909
dare you pull us over? Just full on Karen moment.

00:37:41.710 --> 00:37:47.630
And so, yeah, I remember the reason I pulled

00:37:47.630 --> 00:37:51.340
her over because the tags were. janky so because

00:37:51.340 --> 00:37:53.719
it was unregistered vehicle technically at that

00:37:53.719 --> 00:37:57.539
time you know we're able to impound the vehicle

00:37:57.539 --> 00:37:59.860
and stuff if we wanted when you're going to do

00:37:59.860 --> 00:38:02.940
documentation for something like that so it was

00:38:02.940 --> 00:38:06.559
left up to us you know officer's discretion at

00:38:06.559 --> 00:38:09.760
that time i don't know what it is now and she

00:38:09.760 --> 00:38:12.599
just ran her mouth like do you know who my daddy

00:38:12.599 --> 00:38:16.840
is and all that crap and i was like no and you're

00:38:16.840 --> 00:38:20.050
talking to me like i care I just straight up

00:38:20.050 --> 00:38:23.489
told her like, look, either you cooperate with

00:38:23.489 --> 00:38:26.150
this traffic stop. You're going to get some tickets.

00:38:26.389 --> 00:38:28.469
You're going to need to call your father. Maybe

00:38:28.469 --> 00:38:32.809
we can get something worked out. You know, I'm

00:38:32.809 --> 00:38:35.250
trying to be the nice guy because, you know,

00:38:35.250 --> 00:38:38.269
the vehicle's unregistered. You can't technically

00:38:38.269 --> 00:38:40.190
drive it because it's not registered to be on

00:38:40.190 --> 00:38:43.269
the road. And they just kept running their mouth

00:38:43.269 --> 00:38:45.170
like both the passenger and the driver, both

00:38:45.170 --> 00:38:48.769
young ladies just going, just. Got belligerent.

00:38:48.969 --> 00:38:51.730
So, finally, I stepped them out of the car, which,

00:38:51.849 --> 00:38:53.769
you know, according to the Supreme Court, an

00:38:53.769 --> 00:38:55.789
officer can pull somebody out of a vehicle anytime

00:38:55.789 --> 00:38:59.630
during a traffic stop for any reason. If an officer

00:38:59.630 --> 00:39:01.010
tells you to get out of the car, guess what?

00:39:01.110 --> 00:39:04.329
Get out of the car. So, stepped them out of the

00:39:04.329 --> 00:39:07.349
car, took the keys, told them, you're going to

00:39:07.349 --> 00:39:08.590
have to figure out where you're going to go,

00:39:08.670 --> 00:39:10.769
but you're not taking the car because I'm impounding

00:39:10.769 --> 00:39:19.030
it. Ooh, they were a PS. it went from angry to

00:39:19.030 --> 00:39:26.489
spicy and i kept my i kept a cool composure about

00:39:26.489 --> 00:39:29.710
it because i for me it was like well i'm gonna

00:39:29.710 --> 00:39:32.710
have to do extra paperwork but that's okay because

00:39:32.710 --> 00:39:36.030
now they're getting a learning moment they shouldn't

00:39:36.030 --> 00:39:41.380
have ran their damn mouth and this is and I was

00:39:41.380 --> 00:39:43.659
always the one that, you know, if you're nice

00:39:43.659 --> 00:39:45.900
to me, I'm going to be nice back. You treat me

00:39:45.900 --> 00:39:48.280
the way I want to be treated and I'll treat you

00:39:48.280 --> 00:39:51.000
the same. But if you treat me like garbage, well,

00:39:51.179 --> 00:39:54.539
there's lots of laws that people don't pay attention

00:39:54.539 --> 00:39:59.480
to that I can absolutely get you for. Pulled

00:39:59.480 --> 00:40:01.539
dude over for running a red light. Oh, I didn't

00:40:01.539 --> 00:40:04.599
run the red light. It was yellow. Oh, you ran

00:40:04.599 --> 00:40:07.000
a yellow light. Congratulations. It's on body

00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:09.380
camera. Here's your ticket for running a yellow

00:40:09.380 --> 00:40:13.809
light. DC, you're not allowed to run a yellow

00:40:13.809 --> 00:40:19.309
light. Yeah. So even if it would be dangerous

00:40:19.309 --> 00:40:24.909
to brake? Yep. It's one of those tickets where

00:40:24.909 --> 00:40:28.230
you don't ride it very often, you know, because

00:40:28.230 --> 00:40:30.050
we're looking for red light runners. We're not

00:40:30.050 --> 00:40:32.789
looking for yellow light runners. But it's there

00:40:32.789 --> 00:40:35.230
for discretion, like in my particular instance,

00:40:35.389 --> 00:40:37.329
where, you know, the driver's being a smartass

00:40:37.329 --> 00:40:39.329
because he already, you know, had a bit of an

00:40:39.329 --> 00:40:44.670
attitude with me. And when I go to get his information

00:40:44.670 --> 00:40:47.690
from him, he makes the utterance that he didn't

00:40:47.690 --> 00:40:50.250
run a red light. He, in fact, ran a yellow light.

00:40:50.630 --> 00:40:53.210
It was yellow when he passed the white stoplight.

00:40:53.329 --> 00:40:58.110
Oh, okay. I gotcha. And I guess he wasn't aware

00:40:58.110 --> 00:41:00.630
that in District Columbia, you are not to run

00:41:00.630 --> 00:41:06.070
a yellow light. How does that apply to out -of

00:41:06.070 --> 00:41:11.099
-state drivers? Because of the fact that you've

00:41:11.099 --> 00:41:14.820
driven into another state or the district, what

00:41:14.820 --> 00:41:17.619
have you, you're still subject to those road

00:41:17.619 --> 00:41:20.840
regulations. Because it's not a right, it's a

00:41:20.840 --> 00:41:26.679
privilege. So you're subject to those regulations.

00:41:26.780 --> 00:41:30.320
Sorry, sorry. No, no, it's okay. Because if you

00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:33.940
think that's crazy. So Massachusetts has this

00:41:33.940 --> 00:41:37.340
thing where you can turn right on a red. Meaning

00:41:37.340 --> 00:41:40.139
if the light is red. oh yeah but you want to

00:41:40.139 --> 00:41:42.679
just make a right turn but you can't do it in

00:41:42.679 --> 00:41:46.119
rhode island and there are a couple of towns

00:41:46.119 --> 00:41:48.019
in massachusetts like cambridge where now it's

00:41:48.019 --> 00:41:52.280
illegal to do it in that town so rhode island

00:41:52.280 --> 00:41:54.880
is something as a is like a state that we frequently

00:41:54.880 --> 00:41:57.300
visit because it's right there it's tiny it's

00:41:57.300 --> 00:42:01.019
small it's right there they make a killing off

00:42:01.019 --> 00:42:04.559
of purposely having that different law just so

00:42:04.559 --> 00:42:06.739
they could ticket you They will literally if

00:42:06.739 --> 00:42:08.480
you're like a Massachusetts driver driving down

00:42:08.480 --> 00:42:10.039
to like Providence near Rhode Island, they will

00:42:10.039 --> 00:42:14.039
follow you and wait and watch. They'll say, I

00:42:14.039 --> 00:42:15.860
know you're going to fucking do it. I know you

00:42:15.860 --> 00:42:21.760
are. And I've had them follow me for miles. That's

00:42:21.760 --> 00:42:23.539
literally it's like having jaws follow you around

00:42:23.539 --> 00:42:26.360
behind like it's nuts. But some of the towns

00:42:26.360 --> 00:42:29.000
in mass because they're trying to say due to

00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:31.760
citing traffic safety issues, they're like, oh,

00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:33.199
yeah, we can't have people taking a right on

00:42:33.199 --> 00:42:35.539
right anymore. But reality is they're going to

00:42:35.539 --> 00:42:37.139
charge a two or three hundred dollar fine if

00:42:37.139 --> 00:42:38.659
you do it. So they're just looking to raise revenue.

00:42:39.199 --> 00:42:41.900
That's all that is. Yeah. Right on red. Yeah.

00:42:42.099 --> 00:42:45.119
Charge somebody. Oh, that's absolutely a money

00:42:45.119 --> 00:42:49.000
grab. If if the penalty for breaking the law

00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:52.179
is only a fine, then the law only exists to generate

00:42:52.179 --> 00:42:54.880
revenue. Exactly. That's why it shouldn't be

00:42:54.880 --> 00:42:58.159
fines. It should be community service time. That

00:42:58.159 --> 00:43:00.079
way it affects everybody equally, regardless

00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:04.519
whether you're rich or poor. Yeah. Now, I mean,

00:43:04.619 --> 00:43:09.280
oh, no, you go. OK, I was going to bounce into

00:43:09.280 --> 00:43:12.159
the whole, you know, professional development

00:43:12.159 --> 00:43:15.579
and one off Academy train. The one thing I know

00:43:15.579 --> 00:43:19.860
DC does that's really good. They have a active

00:43:19.860 --> 00:43:24.659
shooter course. It's a large building with a

00:43:24.659 --> 00:43:30.389
school, a bar, a townhouse. Um, and then of course

00:43:30.389 --> 00:43:32.610
the police station area where we've, you know,

00:43:32.610 --> 00:43:35.630
put away weapons, um, pull out airsoft guns and

00:43:35.630 --> 00:43:38.469
stuff like that, which they shoot. So pellets.

00:43:38.469 --> 00:43:42.570
So, and you get training from, cause it's also

00:43:42.570 --> 00:43:46.889
got a four way intersection with a 90 degree

00:43:46.889 --> 00:43:49.949
turn on one point and you can do traffic stops.

00:43:50.050 --> 00:43:52.570
You're able to do everything under the sun for

00:43:52.570 --> 00:43:57.159
scenarios. And with that, I feel like we've,

00:43:57.219 --> 00:43:59.980
we were getting a lot better training with that.

00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:03.760
So when you have the scenes where, you know,

00:44:03.760 --> 00:44:06.719
the cat, the catastrophe in Texas, where, you

00:44:06.719 --> 00:44:08.380
know, there's an active shooter in the kids'

00:44:08.460 --> 00:44:10.360
school. And then the officers are all standing

00:44:10.360 --> 00:44:12.800
there with one on his fricking cell phone and

00:44:12.800 --> 00:44:17.179
they let all those kids die. You know, DC we're

00:44:17.179 --> 00:44:19.320
preparing for the worst case scenario. Thank

00:44:19.320 --> 00:44:22.980
God it hasn't happened. But when it does go down,

00:44:23.800 --> 00:44:26.420
At least I know for a fact our people were ready

00:44:26.420 --> 00:44:29.780
for it. Because the fact that, you know, we're

00:44:29.780 --> 00:44:33.159
going and doing room clearings on a monthly basis

00:44:33.159 --> 00:44:36.440
or yearly basis, depending on where you're working

00:44:36.440 --> 00:44:39.239
in the department, you know, at least once or

00:44:39.239 --> 00:44:41.260
twice a year, you're going into active shooting

00:44:41.260 --> 00:44:45.780
course. And it's always like different scenarios

00:44:45.780 --> 00:44:48.940
and stuff. You would think at a minimum, those

00:44:48.940 --> 00:44:50.960
kind of facilities would be at least one in every

00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:53.460
state. and that way each county or each town

00:44:53.460 --> 00:44:55.300
could rotate in and out of doing training there

00:44:55.300 --> 00:44:58.579
or like you sign up for or something yeah like

00:44:58.579 --> 00:45:01.260
that to me seems so simple that should be a requirement

00:45:01.260 --> 00:45:04.679
to do that yearly that kind of stuff and we qualify

00:45:04.679 --> 00:45:07.420
for everything yeah i mean when they first put

00:45:07.420 --> 00:45:10.059
it up and we were all getting you know training

00:45:10.059 --> 00:45:12.900
we got like you know breaking a door down you

00:45:12.900 --> 00:45:15.119
know gaining access to the building or breaking

00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:17.639
the door down and you know special doors with

00:45:17.639 --> 00:45:21.079
like wood clips that way it gave that simulated

00:45:21.079 --> 00:45:23.380
resistance that you would have when you're trying

00:45:23.380 --> 00:45:26.639
to break open the locked door and stuff. The

00:45:26.639 --> 00:45:29.179
one thing I always point out that will never

00:45:29.179 --> 00:45:32.920
leave my brain, which it's it was stupid, funny,

00:45:33.139 --> 00:45:36.119
but at the same time, serious winning instructors.

00:45:36.320 --> 00:45:39.019
When we were going into active shooter scenario,

00:45:39.400 --> 00:45:42.739
going through the top level of the school and

00:45:42.739 --> 00:45:45.139
the one instructor is supposed to be playing

00:45:45.139 --> 00:45:49.110
the bad guy and he's got a pistol. And he's got

00:45:49.110 --> 00:45:51.170
a baby doll that's supposed to be acting like

00:45:51.170 --> 00:45:54.889
a real baby. The officer goes into the room where

00:45:54.889 --> 00:45:58.369
the bad guy, quote unquote, is. And it opens

00:45:58.369 --> 00:46:01.989
fire and unfortunately hits the baby. The scenario

00:46:01.989 --> 00:46:05.329
immediately ends. The instructor is now yelling

00:46:05.329 --> 00:46:08.349
at the top of his lungs, why the fuck did you

00:46:08.349 --> 00:46:12.210
just shoot the baby? And I'm standing out in

00:46:12.210 --> 00:46:14.130
the hallway when it happened, just like, oh my

00:46:14.130 --> 00:46:17.530
god. Only where I'm working would something like

00:46:17.530 --> 00:46:21.190
this dumb crap happen. So I walk in there and

00:46:21.190 --> 00:46:23.469
the instructor's got this kid down there, or

00:46:23.469 --> 00:46:27.289
adult, excuse me, kid for me, but he's just damn

00:46:27.289 --> 00:46:29.869
near in tears because he's like, why would you

00:46:29.869 --> 00:46:33.469
shoot the baby? And he's like, but you had a

00:46:33.469 --> 00:46:38.949
gun. He's like, I don't have a baby. Oh, God.

00:46:40.489 --> 00:46:44.500
But it was. Yeah, just good training and, you

00:46:44.500 --> 00:46:47.420
know, making people think, you know, to give

00:46:47.420 --> 00:46:49.940
them the moment of clarity for those split -second

00:46:49.940 --> 00:46:53.920
decisions. So that way, hopefully, you know,

00:46:53.940 --> 00:46:56.159
if you were to ever end up in that scenario,

00:46:56.440 --> 00:47:00.519
you don't shoot the baby. Well, you know, if

00:47:00.519 --> 00:47:04.659
you ever watch the movie Speed, you know why

00:47:04.659 --> 00:47:08.940
you shoot the baby. Well, yeah, but still. You

00:47:08.940 --> 00:47:13.409
remove the hostage from the equation. Yeah. The

00:47:13.409 --> 00:47:16.190
problem is, is all the investigative work, the

00:47:16.190 --> 00:47:22.690
paperwork, the media attention. Oh, yeah. Why

00:47:22.690 --> 00:47:24.429
did you shoot the hostage? Well, he could no

00:47:24.429 --> 00:47:31.570
longer use the hostage. Yeah. It's like you say

00:47:31.570 --> 00:47:34.369
in the military, you're ready to bend over and

00:47:34.369 --> 00:47:38.849
take it because it's going to hurt a lot. Yep.

00:47:40.829 --> 00:47:45.809
Yeah, I don't want to be that hostage. No. Which

00:47:45.809 --> 00:47:47.690
brings us to the importance of better public

00:47:47.690 --> 00:47:53.449
support for police officers. Yeah. Acknowledging

00:47:53.449 --> 00:47:55.550
the difficult and dangerous aspect of policing.

00:47:56.030 --> 00:47:58.889
It is a dangerous job. It is a necessary job.

00:47:59.190 --> 00:48:01.849
It is one that we all need and we all don't want

00:48:01.849 --> 00:48:06.369
to have to do. So the need for community engagement

00:48:06.369 --> 00:48:12.309
and positive police community relations. I would

00:48:12.309 --> 00:48:15.090
say that's a pretty big, important point there.

00:48:15.949 --> 00:48:19.570
Yes. Ensuring officers have adequate resources,

00:48:19.969 --> 00:48:23.750
mental health support, fair compensation. I remember

00:48:23.750 --> 00:48:26.650
in the other episodes you were here for, you

00:48:26.650 --> 00:48:29.090
had said the mental health stuff is fairly lacking

00:48:29.090 --> 00:48:31.690
for the officers, at least in the D .C. area.

00:48:32.190 --> 00:48:37.079
I mean, it is lacking. They at least try. You

00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:41.000
know, there is the six appointment program that

00:48:41.000 --> 00:48:42.980
you have to go through when you use your service

00:48:42.980 --> 00:48:47.239
weapon. And being the first one is right there

00:48:47.239 --> 00:48:50.679
while you're out there on the scene. If, you

00:48:50.679 --> 00:48:53.079
know, if the opportunity is there, you know,

00:48:53.079 --> 00:48:57.079
and everything's calmed down. But otherwise,

00:48:57.360 --> 00:48:59.480
yeah. I would think probably within 24 hours

00:48:59.480 --> 00:49:04.230
of everything else. Yes. Oh, absolutely. Just

00:49:04.230 --> 00:49:06.010
like whenever you hear on the TV and they're

00:49:06.010 --> 00:49:07.889
talking about, oh yeah, there was an officer

00:49:07.889 --> 00:49:09.969
involved shooting the officers and now on administrative

00:49:09.969 --> 00:49:13.210
leave and stuff. It's not because it's bad. It's

00:49:13.210 --> 00:49:15.489
because they're trying to make sure the officer

00:49:15.489 --> 00:49:18.929
is taken care of because regardless of who it

00:49:18.929 --> 00:49:21.650
is, it's a traumatizing experience to take a

00:49:21.650 --> 00:49:26.409
human life. Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of people

00:49:26.409 --> 00:49:29.269
out there that think they can just do it. And

00:49:29.269 --> 00:49:32.880
if they actually think they can. then wait until

00:49:32.880 --> 00:49:36.019
they have to try i guarantee you they will freeze

00:49:36.019 --> 00:49:40.980
it's one of those things where and i hope to

00:49:40.980 --> 00:49:43.739
never ever ever have to be faced with that situation

00:49:43.739 --> 00:49:48.300
but boy do you really understand the true value

00:49:48.300 --> 00:49:50.920
and weight of a human life if you're having to

00:49:50.920 --> 00:49:53.320
sit there and having to make that decision yeah

00:49:53.320 --> 00:49:55.920
no that that's not anybody that tells you it's

00:49:55.920 --> 00:49:59.980
an easy decision to make I disagree with them

00:49:59.980 --> 00:50:05.460
on that one. Well, okay. Obviously, situation

00:50:05.460 --> 00:50:08.239
dependent, obviously, because there's certain...

00:50:08.239 --> 00:50:11.639
What's the internet safe term? The PDF files?

00:50:13.199 --> 00:50:16.699
Technically, yeah. They will always be... Or

00:50:16.699 --> 00:50:21.559
maps, technically? Yes, them too. They will always

00:50:21.559 --> 00:50:28.909
be chipper lubricant still in the flesh. They

00:50:28.909 --> 00:50:38.829
are pre -compost. Yes. I love that HBC or HBL,

00:50:38.989 --> 00:50:41.590
the habitual line crosser, he actually made the

00:50:41.590 --> 00:50:48.050
character Chippy the wood chipper. That's great.

00:50:48.130 --> 00:50:52.230
He made it just for them. Definitely with more

00:50:52.230 --> 00:50:55.010
support and resources, definitely has to be training.

00:50:55.819 --> 00:50:58.880
Oh, God, yes, training. Training has got to be

00:50:58.880 --> 00:51:00.900
the big thing, as well as this is something else

00:51:00.900 --> 00:51:03.300
I know we spoke about, about maybe making it

00:51:03.300 --> 00:51:06.059
so the officers have a little bit more time in

00:51:06.059 --> 00:51:08.360
terms of being able to take some time for not

00:51:08.360 --> 00:51:10.420
only training, but catching up on paperwork,

00:51:10.579 --> 00:51:14.059
maybe having one shift a week where they spend

00:51:14.059 --> 00:51:15.800
a little bit more time in the station and less

00:51:15.800 --> 00:51:18.960
time being stressed out and about. Maybe just

00:51:18.960 --> 00:51:20.179
having it to where there's more of a balance

00:51:20.179 --> 00:51:22.570
with it. Don't get me wrong, I know a lot of

00:51:22.570 --> 00:51:24.170
officers that like to make a ton of money and

00:51:24.170 --> 00:51:27.130
work a ton of hours, but to be honest with you,

00:51:27.190 --> 00:51:29.530
the more hours you work, the less likely you're

00:51:29.530 --> 00:51:31.909
going to be able to make smart decisions or informed

00:51:31.909 --> 00:51:35.230
decisions being out there. And if you're effectively

00:51:35.230 --> 00:51:38.710
judge, jury, and executioner, you better be on

00:51:38.710 --> 00:51:40.429
your A game as much of the time as you can be.

00:51:42.610 --> 00:51:46.590
I'd advocate for hiring more officers, so the

00:51:46.590 --> 00:51:48.659
officers that are there. still get paid well,

00:51:48.699 --> 00:51:50.980
but don't have to be as stressed as many hours.

00:51:51.400 --> 00:51:55.099
Yeah. I was going to say, especially if we make

00:51:55.099 --> 00:51:57.639
the dystopian shift into the Judge Dredd timeline.

00:51:58.599 --> 00:52:03.139
Oh, my. Oh, God, no. I am the Lord. No, no, no,

00:52:03.139 --> 00:52:08.480
no, no. Oh, God, no. You have been judged. Oh,

00:52:08.500 --> 00:52:13.050
Jesus. yeah if they're gonna hire more officers

00:52:13.050 --> 00:52:15.429
they need to be less like my department was and

00:52:15.429 --> 00:52:17.969
let's put the same name down three or four times

00:52:17.969 --> 00:52:22.829
on the on the hired list so that way we can say

00:52:22.829 --> 00:52:27.070
we have more officers than we really do no no

00:52:27.070 --> 00:52:31.329
i see people arrested for that shit what yeah

00:52:31.329 --> 00:52:35.230
i saw the excel sheet before i got you know medically

00:52:35.230 --> 00:52:37.909
retired and my name was on there like three times

00:52:39.690 --> 00:52:41.929
I was there in triplicate. I was like, where

00:52:41.929 --> 00:52:45.789
are my clones at? We need to work together. Clone

00:52:45.789 --> 00:52:51.849
bone. I mean, I thought this was, I don't know

00:52:51.849 --> 00:52:54.210
where, how did somebody got a whole that stinking

00:52:54.210 --> 00:52:56.369
list either? Cause you know, it's always been

00:52:56.369 --> 00:52:59.510
talked about in DC. If you work there. Oh yeah.

00:52:59.610 --> 00:53:02.510
There's not enough of us, but then they'll have

00:53:02.510 --> 00:53:07.139
the. The public answer of, oh, yeah, we have

00:53:07.139 --> 00:53:11.000
over 3 ,500 officers or 3 ,700 officers, whatever

00:53:11.000 --> 00:53:14.340
their number is right now. But in reality, everybody

00:53:14.340 --> 00:53:16.579
knows what the real number is. And then when

00:53:16.579 --> 00:53:20.940
I saw the list, I was like, I was right. It's

00:53:20.940 --> 00:53:27.480
a ghost town. And you wonder why it's hard to

00:53:27.480 --> 00:53:29.920
find officers now. Yeah. Especially with the

00:53:29.920 --> 00:53:32.119
climate and everything with it. Oh, and you got

00:53:32.119 --> 00:53:34.500
politicians working as officials and treating

00:53:34.500 --> 00:53:36.780
everybody like they're 12. You know, that's hard

00:53:36.780 --> 00:53:44.239
to keep people. Well, yeah. But yeah, the last

00:53:44.239 --> 00:53:46.199
point on that was balancing support with the

00:53:46.199 --> 00:53:49.579
demand for accountability. We've already kind

00:53:49.579 --> 00:53:51.460
of touched on the accountability aspect, but.

00:53:51.519 --> 00:53:57.840
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Rethinking the catch and release

00:53:57.840 --> 00:54:01.909
programs. Uh, that's a failure in New York and

00:54:01.909 --> 00:54:04.090
California. I can tell you that. Absolutely.

00:54:04.789 --> 00:54:07.710
I will never go back to New York city while their,

00:54:07.750 --> 00:54:09.769
their laws are implemented the way they are.

00:54:09.829 --> 00:54:16.710
No way. Yeah. Um, so the, the catch and release

00:54:16.710 --> 00:54:18.650
as it's commonly understood in the criminal justice,

00:54:18.889 --> 00:54:23.869
uh, situation, they literally will get you out

00:54:23.869 --> 00:54:26.869
or get you while you're doing the crime, realize

00:54:26.869 --> 00:54:30.159
they don't have the space to bring you in. slap

00:54:30.159 --> 00:54:31.820
you on the wrist, give you a fine, give you a

00:54:31.820 --> 00:54:34.099
court date and say, all right, we'll see you

00:54:34.099 --> 00:54:37.900
there. And then it's maybe you show up. Maybe

00:54:37.900 --> 00:54:40.500
you don't. Well, come on. Like in New York city,

00:54:40.579 --> 00:54:42.559
you could sit there and rob somebody a knife

00:54:42.559 --> 00:54:45.900
point and be back on the street before the officers

00:54:45.900 --> 00:54:49.699
even finished the paperwork and be doing it again.

00:54:49.760 --> 00:54:52.119
They had somebody doing crap like that five,

00:54:52.219 --> 00:54:55.739
six times in one 24 hour period and never held

00:54:55.739 --> 00:54:59.079
them once because it was a misdemeanor. I'll

00:54:59.079 --> 00:55:01.880
never forget, two years ago, there was a guy

00:55:01.880 --> 00:55:04.460
that was arrested for shoplifting, and he had

00:55:04.460 --> 00:55:12.900
27 counts. 27! And it wasn't justifiable to keep

00:55:12.900 --> 00:55:15.340
him in jail, so they said, well, your date is

00:55:15.340 --> 00:55:18.320
this day, about three weeks from now. We'll see

00:55:18.320 --> 00:55:21.539
you then. And as an officer, dude, I'd be on

00:55:21.539 --> 00:55:24.360
fucking suicide watch if I arrested some dude

00:55:24.360 --> 00:55:27.820
27 times. And the judge kept letting him out.

00:55:29.039 --> 00:55:31.559
I would question my own sanity. I'd be like,

00:55:31.579 --> 00:55:33.599
are you kidding me? Are you kidding? I was the

00:55:33.599 --> 00:55:37.099
judge at that point. Dude, there's so many judges

00:55:37.099 --> 00:55:40.059
that need to get held accountable for their bullshit.

00:55:40.920 --> 00:55:43.579
I mean, at some point, I started looking at the

00:55:43.579 --> 00:55:46.420
arrest like a bingo card. What else is this person

00:55:46.420 --> 00:55:48.300
going to do this week that I'm going to end up

00:55:48.300 --> 00:55:50.800
having to lock them up for? Because the citizens

00:55:50.800 --> 00:55:52.679
already know that they're not going to do anything

00:55:52.679 --> 00:55:56.719
about it. The odds in D .C. that you commit a

00:55:56.719 --> 00:55:58.719
crime, that it's even going to get papered anyways,

00:55:58.940 --> 00:56:02.360
are pretty freaking low. So you can commit crime

00:56:02.360 --> 00:56:05.380
and have a good chance of not getting prosecuted.

00:56:05.500 --> 00:56:08.579
Oh, and then if you do end up before the judge,

00:56:09.260 --> 00:56:11.199
Are they going to find probable cause? Because

00:56:11.199 --> 00:56:14.760
again, with the body camera issue, does it match

00:56:14.760 --> 00:56:17.059
up to the narrative? No. Well, guess what? Now

00:56:17.059 --> 00:56:19.260
it's thrown out. So now your odds have gone up

00:56:19.260 --> 00:56:23.380
even more. I mean, at this point, it's like,

00:56:23.380 --> 00:56:27.280
why follow the law when nobody's going to enforce

00:56:27.280 --> 00:56:32.619
it? Except for the low level of law enforcement

00:56:32.619 --> 00:56:35.739
officers. But even then, like you said, Gibbs,

00:56:35.880 --> 00:56:38.380
I mean, you know. At some point, you're just

00:56:38.380 --> 00:56:43.320
going to say F it. Now, that's part of the issue,

00:56:43.380 --> 00:56:45.860
and I've heard that from numerous officers, being

00:56:45.860 --> 00:56:48.599
like, this is fucking stupid. Like, why am I

00:56:48.599 --> 00:56:50.360
even doing this job? And that's why, unfortunately,

00:56:50.420 --> 00:56:52.400
if you see it in Boston, because Boston is a

00:56:52.400 --> 00:56:54.780
sanctuary city, you see what ends up happening,

00:56:54.900 --> 00:56:57.059
the amount of people that, up until recently,

00:56:57.360 --> 00:56:59.579
they would just let shit happen, because they're

00:56:59.579 --> 00:57:01.139
like, what's the point of arresting them? They're

00:57:01.139 --> 00:57:03.860
just going to walk. You know? It's just going

00:57:03.860 --> 00:57:06.690
to be paperwork for me to file. Why would I get

00:57:06.690 --> 00:57:09.409
out of my cruiser where I'm comfy in air conditioning

00:57:09.409 --> 00:57:12.489
and arrest this guy who's just going to walk

00:57:12.489 --> 00:57:17.010
three hours from now? Or I just stay here. I

00:57:17.010 --> 00:57:20.070
hate to say it, but I can see why they're doing

00:57:20.070 --> 00:57:22.989
that. Oh, yeah. Plenty of times when I looked

00:57:22.989 --> 00:57:24.690
at a citizen, when they get mad at me, like,

00:57:24.710 --> 00:57:26.670
oh, you're just messing with me because of my

00:57:26.670 --> 00:57:28.969
skin tone or race or whatever. And I'm like,

00:57:29.050 --> 00:57:31.510
you think you're special or something. Honestly,

00:57:31.809 --> 00:57:35.460
I'm getting paid the same now. As I was when

00:57:35.460 --> 00:57:37.559
I was sitting there playing Tetris on my phone

00:57:37.559 --> 00:57:40.360
in an air -conditioned environment. I'd rather

00:57:40.360 --> 00:57:42.260
be in there right now than dealing with your

00:57:42.260 --> 00:57:45.039
stupidity. But because I have a job that I have

00:57:45.039 --> 00:57:48.300
to do at some point, I have to deal with you.

00:57:53.440 --> 00:57:58.679
Yeah, it's monotonous to say the least. And I

00:57:58.679 --> 00:58:02.059
think that judges need to have their records

00:58:02.059 --> 00:58:06.320
reviewed at some point. Oh, God, yes. I mean,

00:58:06.380 --> 00:58:09.699
that one lady out west that she let an illegal

00:58:09.699 --> 00:58:13.880
alien go out the back. Yeah, she got hers finally.

00:58:14.360 --> 00:58:16.420
Finally. And then she's claiming that she has

00:58:16.420 --> 00:58:18.639
immunity and she shouldn't be arrested. It's

00:58:18.639 --> 00:58:21.699
like, bitch, please. No, ma 'am. You committed

00:58:21.699 --> 00:58:27.800
a crime when you weren't even on the bench. Just

00:58:27.800 --> 00:58:29.679
because you're a judge doesn't mean you're immune

00:58:29.679 --> 00:58:32.909
to the law. She committed that crime while she

00:58:32.909 --> 00:58:36.869
was walking the hallway. Yeah. It doesn't matter

00:58:36.869 --> 00:58:39.090
where she is. She is a citizen like anybody else.

00:58:39.369 --> 00:58:42.190
Yeah. She's aiding and abetting and obfuscating

00:58:42.190 --> 00:58:45.610
the law. You know, don't do the time if you can't

00:58:45.610 --> 00:58:47.190
do the crime. You know what I mean? Don't do

00:58:47.190 --> 00:58:48.730
the crime if you can't do the time. That's right.

00:58:49.610 --> 00:58:51.409
Fuck around, find out. I don't have to tell you.

00:58:52.630 --> 00:58:54.949
And anybody that sits there and says, oh, she's

00:58:54.949 --> 00:58:57.929
immune from that, they need to get slapped. Because

00:58:57.929 --> 00:59:00.880
now you're just warping the law. But then the

00:59:00.880 --> 00:59:02.559
problem is, does that set the precedent that

00:59:02.559 --> 00:59:05.360
judges actually are above the law? And in which

00:59:05.360 --> 00:59:09.340
case, you know, does that mean inversely that

00:59:09.340 --> 00:59:12.420
a judge could remove somebody that is here legally

00:59:12.420 --> 00:59:15.840
or vice versa? Are they allowed to just say,

00:59:15.960 --> 00:59:18.480
hey, you are now here legally or illegally regardless

00:59:18.480 --> 00:59:21.539
and remove them for any reason? Because apparently

00:59:21.539 --> 00:59:23.780
that's the precedent that we're setting, you

00:59:23.780 --> 00:59:25.039
know, is they can do whatever the fuck they want.

00:59:25.480 --> 00:59:29.719
Yeah, exactly. if so i want to be a judge because

00:59:29.719 --> 00:59:32.840
then everywhere i go i want to carry a 25 millimeter

00:59:32.840 --> 00:59:36.420
fucking howitzer around with me because i'm a

00:59:36.420 --> 00:59:38.519
judge i could do whatever the fuck i want and

00:59:38.519 --> 00:59:40.940
if you don't like it kablam like i was to tell

00:59:40.940 --> 00:59:45.800
you like alakablam i like i don't know like it's

00:59:45.800 --> 00:59:52.739
just stupid el kabong is back again yo so yeah

00:59:52.739 --> 00:59:56.659
like i i get The goal for the catch and release

00:59:56.659 --> 00:59:59.300
program is to reduce overcrowding in the jails

00:59:59.300 --> 01:00:05.579
and to protect the possible discrimination that

01:00:05.579 --> 01:00:09.639
people might face during the process. Yeah, some

01:00:09.639 --> 01:00:11.840
people do get discriminated against. However,

01:00:12.139 --> 01:00:15.019
the way they implement these catch and release

01:00:15.019 --> 01:00:18.800
programs is absolute fallacy. It's disgusting

01:00:18.800 --> 01:00:22.639
because of the fact that. As human beings, if

01:00:22.639 --> 01:00:24.900
we're given an inch, we're going to take it.

01:00:24.960 --> 01:00:28.800
We're greedy. We're self -serving. We will take

01:00:28.800 --> 01:00:31.039
care of ourselves before we help other people

01:00:31.039 --> 01:00:33.820
for the most part. If it's family or close friends,

01:00:33.980 --> 01:00:36.519
yeah, we'll stick our neck out for them because

01:00:36.519 --> 01:00:39.380
that's just how we evolved. But when it comes

01:00:39.380 --> 01:00:44.159
to the whole tribe and the whole. world mentality

01:00:44.159 --> 01:00:46.800
we're gonna get ours if given the opportunity

01:00:46.800 --> 01:00:49.400
so if you sit there and tell somebody like in

01:00:49.400 --> 01:00:52.780
california oh it was a felony before when you

01:00:52.780 --> 01:00:55.000
sat there and shot lifted a certain amount but

01:00:55.000 --> 01:00:56.920
now we're just making a misdemeanor and you're

01:00:56.920 --> 01:00:59.559
not even gonna go to jail look what happened

01:00:59.559 --> 01:01:04.659
that state got ran over with the amount of crime

01:01:04.659 --> 01:01:08.380
because of the fact that okay yeah we're trying

01:01:08.380 --> 01:01:13.390
to appease people and trying to reduce jailhouse

01:01:13.390 --> 01:01:18.010
usage however you're not taking into account

01:01:18.010 --> 01:01:20.849
people are going to take advantage of that that

01:01:20.849 --> 01:01:24.949
crap and nobody wants to acknowledge that's on

01:01:24.949 --> 01:01:29.150
that side to go oh you know people aren't inherently

01:01:29.150 --> 01:01:32.349
bad but if you give them the opportunity again

01:01:32.349 --> 01:01:34.590
they're going to take care of themselves and

01:01:34.590 --> 01:01:36.989
with prices and everything the environment being

01:01:36.989 --> 01:01:41.840
the way it is nowadays it hey i i can get something

01:01:41.840 --> 01:01:44.500
for free because i can take it and nobody's gonna

01:01:44.500 --> 01:01:46.619
dang me for it because it's not over 100 bucks

01:01:46.619 --> 01:01:48.659
hey guess what i'm getting something free today

01:01:48.659 --> 01:01:54.159
it's that easy it's the classic case of if they

01:01:54.159 --> 01:01:57.760
actually enforce the laws and penalties and they

01:01:57.760 --> 01:01:59.619
actually arrested people when they broke the

01:01:59.619 --> 01:02:02.719
law you wouldn't have overcrowding in jails it's

01:02:02.719 --> 01:02:05.280
a weird problem where people knew They were going

01:02:05.280 --> 01:02:07.320
to be held accountable. They wouldn't break the

01:02:07.320 --> 01:02:09.880
law. It's very interesting when you notice in

01:02:09.880 --> 01:02:12.159
places like Texas, especially in rural Texas

01:02:12.159 --> 01:02:15.760
where everybody's armed, you notice a lot of

01:02:15.760 --> 01:02:19.280
shit doesn't happen because the odds of somebody

01:02:19.280 --> 01:02:22.039
else carrying something at least 9mm, if not

01:02:22.039 --> 01:02:25.960
45, and you getting your shit rocked by deciding

01:02:25.960 --> 01:02:28.199
to fuck around, you're just not going to fucking

01:02:28.199 --> 01:02:32.159
do it. No. And vice versa, it's the same thing.

01:02:32.219 --> 01:02:33.940
People aren't going to break the law nearly as

01:02:33.940 --> 01:02:36.760
much if they know, oh, I'm going to get caught,

01:02:36.920 --> 01:02:38.719
and the judge is going to throw the book at me,

01:02:38.800 --> 01:02:41.599
and I'm not going to have a good time. Exactly.

01:02:41.679 --> 01:02:43.280
So if they actually enforce the law, they wouldn't

01:02:43.280 --> 01:02:45.300
have to worry about overcrowding, so they wouldn't

01:02:45.300 --> 01:02:47.400
have to let people go because it's overcrowded.

01:02:47.500 --> 01:02:49.619
It's a self -fulfilling fucking problem that

01:02:49.619 --> 01:02:51.519
they keep thinking that, oh, just being lax around

01:02:51.519 --> 01:02:53.840
people is going to solve it. No. No. That's not

01:02:53.840 --> 01:02:56.519
how this works. Case in point, I was sitting

01:02:56.519 --> 01:03:00.929
in court the one day, talking. And in between

01:03:00.929 --> 01:03:03.730
trials, I had this gentleman that was there because

01:03:03.730 --> 01:03:07.510
he got arrested for riding an unauthorized motor

01:03:07.510 --> 01:03:11.130
vehicle in public space, i .e. either an ATV

01:03:11.130 --> 01:03:14.190
or a dirt bike or something like that that wasn't

01:03:14.190 --> 01:03:17.670
registered for public use on public space. Excuse

01:03:17.670 --> 01:03:22.170
me, like the road. And in D .C., the violation

01:03:22.170 --> 01:03:25.210
for that is like damn near a slap on the wrist.

01:03:25.329 --> 01:03:28.630
You're talking a couple hundred bucks fine. Maybe

01:03:28.630 --> 01:03:33.150
a few weeks in prison or jail if the judge is

01:03:33.150 --> 01:03:36.349
really cranky that day, which for something like

01:03:36.349 --> 01:03:40.809
that, never. So what happens? DC now has a epidemic

01:03:40.809 --> 01:03:43.429
problem of people running up and down the streets

01:03:43.429 --> 01:03:47.510
with ATVs like it's culture now because it's

01:03:47.510 --> 01:03:50.869
been allowed. I just had a picture of people

01:03:50.869 --> 01:03:52.829
in golf carts like left and right in DC now.

01:03:52.969 --> 01:03:56.030
So I can actually attest to this. This is a problem

01:03:56.030 --> 01:03:58.909
in my local city. where they have these rides

01:03:58.909 --> 01:04:02.690
where basically you'll get several hundred guys

01:04:02.690 --> 01:04:05.050
in ATVs and motorcycles, and they go around as

01:04:05.050 --> 01:04:08.429
a gang. They will drive downtown the city. They'll

01:04:08.429 --> 01:04:11.329
block off entire roads and streets. There have

01:04:11.329 --> 01:04:12.650
been times where I'm trying to get home from

01:04:12.650 --> 01:04:14.869
work, and literally it's like, oh, great, these

01:04:14.869 --> 01:04:18.289
jackasses are out. And literally I can't move.

01:04:18.389 --> 01:04:20.289
I can't go anywhere. The police don't do anything.

01:04:20.389 --> 01:04:22.449
They stay 500 to 1 ,000 feet back, and they just

01:04:22.449 --> 01:04:24.329
kind of follow them. And all of a sudden that

01:04:24.329 --> 01:04:25.909
whole gang will meet me in a certain street,

01:04:25.969 --> 01:04:28.260
and they just disperse. It's like cockroaches.

01:04:28.360 --> 01:04:30.679
And they're gone. And you just hear them in the

01:04:30.679 --> 01:04:32.760
distance. They'll drive right by my house in

01:04:32.760 --> 01:04:37.099
groups of 50 or 100. Yeah. Don't you have a truck?

01:04:38.760 --> 01:04:41.619
Yeah. I see where you're going with this. But

01:04:41.619 --> 01:04:44.679
here's the problem. I'm always going to be in

01:04:44.679 --> 01:04:49.039
the wrong if I do that. And the crazy part is,

01:04:49.099 --> 01:04:51.989
like I was saying, when I talk to this cat. He's

01:04:51.989 --> 01:04:54.170
like, nobody's going to stop doing it because

01:04:54.170 --> 01:04:56.650
nobody's enforcing law. The judge is just going

01:04:56.650 --> 01:04:58.489
to keep slapping people on the wrist. He's like,

01:04:58.510 --> 01:05:00.190
I've been arrested now like three or four times

01:05:00.190 --> 01:05:02.610
for the same thing. He's like, I'm leaving after

01:05:02.610 --> 01:05:04.349
this. He's like, I already know I'm going to

01:05:04.349 --> 01:05:06.550
go off to work, do whatever. He's like, I'm not

01:05:06.550 --> 01:05:08.489
going to stop because there's nothing to stop

01:05:08.489 --> 01:05:11.070
me. He's like, as far as I see it, it's just

01:05:11.070 --> 01:05:13.030
the price of admission to be able to ride on

01:05:13.030 --> 01:05:17.210
the road. And so many of doing. And then you

01:05:17.210 --> 01:05:19.230
get the fact that you're not allowed to chase

01:05:19.230 --> 01:05:21.769
them. The police department's officials have

01:05:21.769 --> 01:05:26.110
made it to where, oh, you have to keep an eye

01:05:26.110 --> 01:05:28.650
on them. Keep your eyes on them. We got to know

01:05:28.650 --> 01:05:31.550
where they are. That way we can try to help the

01:05:31.550 --> 01:05:34.969
public stay safe. If you took the time to arrest

01:05:34.969 --> 01:05:36.710
these fools and actually held them accountable

01:05:36.710 --> 01:05:39.369
for what they're doing, you wouldn't have to

01:05:39.369 --> 01:05:43.110
do that. Just saying. Do you want me to give

01:05:43.110 --> 01:05:46.710
you the part two of this whole problem? So ever

01:05:46.710 --> 01:05:50.150
since COVID. Because Boston and my local city

01:05:50.150 --> 01:05:53.530
is registered as a sanctuary city. That means

01:05:53.530 --> 01:05:57.670
if you identify as somebody that is asylum seeking

01:05:57.670 --> 01:05:59.969
or is a victim or something like that or is not

01:05:59.969 --> 01:06:03.510
a citizen and you do this stuff, they don't arrest

01:06:03.510 --> 01:06:07.869
you. There's nothing they can do. Interesting.

01:06:08.070 --> 01:06:14.010
So they just do it. They just do whatever. It

01:06:14.010 --> 01:06:17.079
doesn't matter. They are not beholden to those

01:06:17.079 --> 01:06:22.619
laws. Yeah. That's a good bit of information

01:06:22.619 --> 01:06:26.860
to have in your back pocket. Right. Just be careful

01:06:26.860 --> 01:06:28.840
in sanctuary cities, my friends. That's all I'm

01:06:28.840 --> 01:06:32.219
saying. It's a pain in the ass. Exactly. All

01:06:32.219 --> 01:06:33.980
right. I have to go, gentlemen, unfortunately.

01:06:34.539 --> 01:06:37.179
Oh, good. All right, man. Well, thank you for

01:06:37.179 --> 01:06:39.559
hanging out with us while you could. Yes. We'll

01:06:39.559 --> 01:06:44.239
keep the show going and we'll finish up. I do

01:06:44.239 --> 01:06:45.460
appreciate you taking time out of your night

01:06:45.460 --> 01:06:48.420
to give us your input where you could. No problem.

01:06:50.000 --> 01:06:52.980
All right. Until next time, guys. All right.

01:06:53.000 --> 01:06:54.039
Have a good one, man. Absolutely, man. Thanks.

01:06:54.460 --> 01:07:06.940
Yep. All right. So we can pick back up. Where

01:07:06.940 --> 01:07:12.590
were we? Public concerns. With him, we had already

01:07:12.590 --> 01:07:15.130
kind of talked about a lot of this. I had the

01:07:15.130 --> 01:07:17.309
potential for reoffense while awaiting trial,

01:07:17.550 --> 01:07:20.150
the perceived lack of consequences. He was literally

01:07:20.150 --> 01:07:22.929
just talking about that. And then the impact

01:07:22.929 --> 01:07:25.710
on victim confidence and community safety. Literally

01:07:25.710 --> 01:07:28.690
everything he was just saying. If there's nothing

01:07:28.690 --> 01:07:32.769
to deter people from not doing the thing, they

01:07:32.769 --> 01:07:36.869
will continue to do the things. So that takes

01:07:36.869 --> 01:07:40.139
us right in. To sentencing penalties and judicial

01:07:40.139 --> 01:07:44.119
integrity. I know a little bit ago I was talking

01:07:44.119 --> 01:07:49.139
about the judges. So stricter penalties for some

01:07:49.139 --> 01:07:53.880
crimes. I know your your your your head's about

01:07:53.880 --> 01:07:55.380
to come off your shoulders. You're shaking it.

01:07:55.420 --> 01:07:59.800
So go ahead and take this one. Yeah. So here's

01:07:59.800 --> 01:08:02.119
the way I think about if it's a victim, if it's

01:08:02.119 --> 01:08:04.760
a crime of the victim, any sort of violent crime,

01:08:04.900 --> 01:08:07.739
something like that. The penalties need to go

01:08:07.739 --> 01:08:10.239
way up. And I think people need to actually be

01:08:10.239 --> 01:08:12.199
charged with these crimes. And here's the thing.

01:08:12.219 --> 01:08:16.100
It doesn't just need to be that you are kind

01:08:16.100 --> 01:08:19.340
of locked in a cell. I do feel like there needs

01:08:19.340 --> 01:08:21.920
to be some sort of method to where this gets

01:08:21.920 --> 01:08:23.420
into the prison system a little bit to where

01:08:23.420 --> 01:08:27.079
you should also have to do physical work or some

01:08:27.079 --> 01:08:31.760
work of value to repay those that were affected.

01:08:32.700 --> 01:08:35.039
It should not just be the case of the state paying

01:08:35.039 --> 01:08:37.399
the money or something else. No, no, no. You

01:08:37.399 --> 01:08:39.380
got to earn your way. You got to earn your keep

01:08:39.380 --> 01:08:44.920
by also being in prison. The part two of this

01:08:44.920 --> 01:08:48.619
is that I do not believe there should be crimes

01:08:48.619 --> 01:08:50.619
or anything like that where you only pay a fine.

01:08:51.640 --> 01:08:54.380
I do not believe in that because that to me seems

01:08:54.380 --> 01:08:57.260
very stupid. It should be based off of community

01:08:57.260 --> 01:08:59.039
service hours or something that takes up your

01:08:59.039 --> 01:09:01.439
time. Because money is something you can always

01:09:01.439 --> 01:09:04.119
get more money. You can't get more time. So,

01:09:04.279 --> 01:09:06.840
fuck you if you're going to decide to drive drunk

01:09:06.840 --> 01:09:08.739
and be an asshole. You know what? You're going

01:09:08.739 --> 01:09:10.779
to spend the next two years, every fucking weekend,

01:09:10.920 --> 01:09:14.039
whether you've got a holiday or not, you're going

01:09:14.039 --> 01:09:15.640
to work Monday through Friday, and then your

01:09:15.640 --> 01:09:16.800
weekend, you're going to be sitting there picking

01:09:16.800 --> 01:09:19.199
up trash on the side of the highway or rebuilding

01:09:19.199 --> 01:09:21.380
some of our roads or doing something of value.

01:09:22.300 --> 01:09:23.939
Because not only, one, is it going to teach you

01:09:23.939 --> 01:09:26.279
the lesson, but also, number two, you're going

01:09:26.279 --> 01:09:28.619
to understand how huge of an inconvenience it

01:09:28.619 --> 01:09:32.119
is. for people to act like pieces of shit and

01:09:32.119 --> 01:09:35.319
i i just don't think certain crimes just paying

01:09:35.319 --> 01:09:38.319
a fine makes sense to me it doesn't it doesn't

01:09:38.319 --> 01:09:40.640
make much sense because in a lot of those cases

01:09:40.640 --> 01:09:42.100
all the penalties it's not going to stop them

01:09:42.100 --> 01:09:44.979
from doing it again no it's because it's not

01:09:44.979 --> 01:09:46.819
going to change anything if there are people

01:09:46.819 --> 01:09:49.699
that have money it becomes a thing of it literally

01:09:49.699 --> 01:09:52.560
just costs as much to do that and that's it that's

01:09:52.560 --> 01:09:54.239
the mentality they take do you want the more

01:09:54.239 --> 01:09:57.579
recent examples i saw which i want chat to fact

01:09:57.579 --> 01:10:00.170
check me on this one I saw an article that was

01:10:00.170 --> 01:10:04.170
talked about how Jeff Bezos, he has a shrubs

01:10:04.170 --> 01:10:05.649
in the front of his house that are like 20 feet

01:10:05.649 --> 01:10:10.550
tall. You can't see into his property, but in

01:10:10.550 --> 01:10:13.189
Los Angeles, there are laws about how tall the

01:10:13.189 --> 01:10:15.229
shrubs can be. He makes so much money. He just

01:10:15.229 --> 01:10:17.989
pays the fine every day. He doesn't care. I read

01:10:17.989 --> 01:10:21.510
that. Yeah. Now it could be false, but I've known

01:10:21.510 --> 01:10:23.750
other situations where people do that kind of

01:10:23.750 --> 01:10:27.479
thing to where. They don't give a shit. Why would

01:10:27.479 --> 01:10:29.560
they care? To them, that is literally less than

01:10:29.560 --> 01:10:32.819
pennies for someone like you or I. So they just

01:10:32.819 --> 01:10:35.520
pay the fine, whatever. I just really don't think,

01:10:35.600 --> 01:10:38.300
I don't like the idea of our American justice

01:10:38.300 --> 01:10:41.140
system saying, hey, you owe us money for you

01:10:41.140 --> 01:10:43.359
breaking a law. It's like, well, then you're

01:10:43.359 --> 01:10:45.460
basically just leveraging laws to raise revenue.

01:10:45.859 --> 01:10:48.539
That's fucking useless. No, no, no, no. It should

01:10:48.539 --> 01:10:52.920
be always, hey, your sentence for this is your

01:10:52.920 --> 01:10:56.239
time, your effort. You have to do something to

01:10:56.239 --> 01:10:58.800
make the community better than before the crime

01:10:58.800 --> 01:11:02.140
you committed. That's how it should work. That

01:11:02.140 --> 01:11:04.079
way, guess what? We'd have clean roads. We'd

01:11:04.079 --> 01:11:06.060
have clean areas. We'd have nice parks. We'd

01:11:06.060 --> 01:11:07.560
have all these other things. And there's other

01:11:07.560 --> 01:11:10.880
countries that do this kind of stuff. Yeah. The

01:11:10.880 --> 01:11:14.899
part that I did already kind of cover, which

01:11:14.899 --> 01:11:21.350
is like, if the penalty for a crime... is something

01:11:21.350 --> 01:11:23.590
towards like five to 10 years for something like

01:11:23.590 --> 01:11:25.970
that. And they say, judge as well. They seem

01:11:25.970 --> 01:11:27.789
like a nice guy. I want to give them two years

01:11:27.789 --> 01:11:30.109
than a year community service. And what the fuck

01:11:30.109 --> 01:11:33.510
are the guidelines for anyway? Like, right. If

01:11:33.510 --> 01:11:35.670
you're hurting people intentionally causing harm.

01:11:35.729 --> 01:11:39.130
Now I am willing to extend an olive branch. I

01:11:39.130 --> 01:11:41.250
think your first offense, even if it's a minor

01:11:41.250 --> 01:11:44.829
violent crime, I'm, I'm willing to say, Hey,

01:11:44.869 --> 01:11:47.689
maybe if you kind of get your act together, Do

01:11:47.689 --> 01:11:49.869
some community service. Seek some counseling.

01:11:49.949 --> 01:11:52.369
Do some stuff. I'm willing to give someone one

01:11:52.369 --> 01:11:56.250
chance. Get their act together. The second time

01:11:56.250 --> 01:11:58.590
around? No. Throw the book at them. I'm sorry.

01:11:59.029 --> 01:12:01.569
Nope. You didn't learn your lesson. Especially

01:12:01.569 --> 01:12:03.069
if it's something as selfish as things like drunk

01:12:03.069 --> 01:12:06.949
driving or something like that. But if it's any

01:12:06.949 --> 01:12:10.470
of the... How do I say that's appropriate? Any

01:12:10.470 --> 01:12:13.649
of the worst crimes you can think of. Cough,

01:12:13.670 --> 01:12:17.840
cough. Any of those ones. Now... No quarter is

01:12:17.840 --> 01:12:24.000
given. No. Yeah. No. Nope. Yeah, the ones that

01:12:24.000 --> 01:12:29.560
involve basically the sex crimes. Yes. No matter

01:12:29.560 --> 01:12:34.199
how you spin that. Any kind of those. Nope. The

01:12:34.199 --> 01:12:36.539
only way I could think of is if it was something

01:12:36.539 --> 01:12:39.079
like some sort of weird misunderstanding or there's

01:12:39.079 --> 01:12:41.720
some legal bullshittery. But even then, that's

01:12:41.720 --> 01:12:44.380
like 0 .001 % of the time. You know what I mean?

01:12:45.070 --> 01:12:47.550
The guys that get drunk and take a leak behind

01:12:47.550 --> 01:12:50.289
a dumpster out in public. Yeah, something like

01:12:50.289 --> 01:12:53.770
that. Those guys end up on a list. Let's change

01:12:53.770 --> 01:12:55.390
that. Yeah, I agree with you. That's not in the

01:12:55.390 --> 01:12:57.890
spirit of the law. That to me doesn't make sense.

01:12:58.310 --> 01:13:02.289
Or like someone I know, not close to them, but

01:13:02.289 --> 01:13:04.189
I know of them, that they got put on a list because

01:13:04.189 --> 01:13:08.029
a woman lied to them about their age. And so

01:13:08.029 --> 01:13:09.390
when they went out with them and have a little

01:13:09.390 --> 01:13:11.229
fun, they're like, oh, yeah, by the way, in this

01:13:11.229 --> 01:13:13.850
age, the parents got involved. He got sued and

01:13:13.850 --> 01:13:16.329
all that and arrested. And now he's on a list.

01:13:16.689 --> 01:13:19.010
And it's like I always felt bad for the dude

01:13:19.010 --> 01:13:21.449
because, like, he fucking lied. Like, it was

01:13:21.449 --> 01:13:24.229
in text messages and everything by a year. But

01:13:24.229 --> 01:13:26.090
the judge said, well, that's no excuse of the

01:13:26.090 --> 01:13:28.609
law. And, you know, he got fucked. Yeah, that's

01:13:28.609 --> 01:13:30.689
horseshit. So, again, it's one of those things

01:13:30.689 --> 01:13:34.390
where it's provable. But, you know, you know,

01:13:34.409 --> 01:13:36.760
some judges. And that's part of the problem.

01:13:37.420 --> 01:13:40.699
It's up to their discretion. I also, I knew of

01:13:40.699 --> 01:13:44.720
a situation once where a guy had gone to a bar.

01:13:45.060 --> 01:13:49.500
It was like a 21 and up bar. Met a girl. They

01:13:49.500 --> 01:13:53.800
hung out for a while. They did things. Yeah.

01:13:53.920 --> 01:13:58.680
And he ended up getting hit with some shit. Turns

01:13:58.680 --> 01:14:01.520
out she was only like 19. And she was illegally

01:14:01.520 --> 01:14:04.279
there? Not 19. She was 17. That's what it was.

01:14:05.569 --> 01:14:09.909
so she was way underage how'd she get in fake

01:14:09.909 --> 01:14:13.029
id oh well then then he can't be held accountable

01:14:13.029 --> 01:14:15.470
at that point because like well according to

01:14:15.470 --> 01:14:20.409
the law he could she even went to court trying

01:14:20.409 --> 01:14:24.109
to just or defend him saying no my parents want

01:14:24.109 --> 01:14:28.229
this i don't i lied i used a fake id brought

01:14:28.229 --> 01:14:31.949
the fake id and was like this is what i did this

01:14:31.949 --> 01:14:35.899
is what i used this is how i dressed this is

01:14:35.899 --> 01:14:38.899
just my parents trying to control me and make

01:14:38.899 --> 01:14:43.539
my life a living hell. And the judge was like,

01:14:43.579 --> 01:14:48.939
well, the law's the law. It's like, how is that

01:14:48.939 --> 01:14:53.140
fair if you're at a club that cards, the bouncer

01:14:53.140 --> 01:14:55.399
didn't do their job appropriately, or if they

01:14:55.399 --> 01:15:00.359
did, the ID was really good. She broke the law

01:15:00.359 --> 01:15:02.560
in having the fake ID, being underage, and going

01:15:02.560 --> 01:15:06.220
to the club. So he had every right to assume

01:15:06.220 --> 01:15:11.479
that she was at least 21. He would never have

01:15:11.479 --> 01:15:13.819
had the thought to question, hey, are you at

01:15:13.819 --> 01:15:19.800
least 18 years of age? Especially in today's

01:15:19.800 --> 01:15:24.300
society. The amount of people who in that specific

01:15:24.300 --> 01:15:30.640
age range look one way or the other, dude, it's

01:15:30.640 --> 01:15:33.920
tough. I find it disgusting. I got to be honest

01:15:33.920 --> 01:15:39.520
with you. I find it weird. It gives me just...

01:15:39.520 --> 01:15:42.800
It's one of those things where I really wish...

01:15:42.800 --> 01:15:45.979
And granted, I am not a parent. So feel free

01:15:45.979 --> 01:15:48.899
to hold me to the fires on this one. Put my ass

01:15:48.899 --> 01:15:51.439
on the coals. But if you're a parent and you

01:15:51.439 --> 01:15:55.460
are totally okay with your late teen kids trying

01:15:55.460 --> 01:15:57.920
to act like 21 and 25 year olds or something

01:15:57.920 --> 01:15:59.560
like that range, and you think that's okay...

01:16:00.000 --> 01:16:02.279
I think you're out of your fucking gourd. I'm

01:16:02.279 --> 01:16:05.619
sorry. The amount of shit that I see younger

01:16:05.619 --> 01:16:08.800
kids, particularly usually younger girls, fucking

01:16:08.800 --> 01:16:13.899
posting, it scares me. Again, I love my little

01:16:13.899 --> 01:16:16.300
sister to death, but I've seen what she shares

01:16:16.300 --> 01:16:18.399
from some of her friends on occasion. She'll

01:16:18.399 --> 01:16:19.560
share a post or something like that. I'm like,

01:16:19.600 --> 01:16:22.439
Jesus Christ, what the fuck is wrong with y 'all?

01:16:23.380 --> 01:16:29.819
And again, call me crazy, call me whatever. But

01:16:29.819 --> 01:16:34.199
it's like, why are parents okay with kids acting

01:16:34.199 --> 01:16:36.560
like that? I don't understand. When they not

01:16:36.560 --> 01:16:39.760
only do not understand what they're messing with

01:16:39.760 --> 01:16:43.819
and have no idea. They're not mentally developed

01:16:43.819 --> 01:16:45.460
enough to understand kind of what's going on.

01:16:45.560 --> 01:16:48.680
But they also don't understand legally that regardless

01:16:48.680 --> 01:16:50.300
of whether they're in the right or they're in

01:16:50.300 --> 01:16:54.279
the wrong, they can fuck up someone's life. And

01:16:54.279 --> 01:16:58.880
there's no way around it. Well, you said the

01:16:58.880 --> 01:17:03.020
key word there. They can fuck up someone else's

01:17:03.020 --> 01:17:06.859
life. Yes. If they don't fuck up their own life,

01:17:07.039 --> 01:17:10.600
I don't think they have that level of care. But

01:17:10.600 --> 01:17:14.859
that's insane to me. That is something I have

01:17:14.859 --> 01:17:18.500
seen in this younger generation. But we're kind

01:17:18.500 --> 01:17:21.899
of getting off topic. I know. We do that. That's

01:17:21.899 --> 01:17:26.229
a discussion for the... How how how fuck this

01:17:26.229 --> 01:17:29.449
generation of kids is That one's still on the

01:17:29.449 --> 01:17:30.890
burn and you know, what's even gonna be greater

01:17:30.890 --> 01:17:33.210
is I bet you the next generation kids are gonna

01:17:33.210 --> 01:17:36.029
be even worse It's just gonna keep getting worse

01:17:36.029 --> 01:17:40.590
bad. Just you wait You think this is bad Just

01:17:40.590 --> 01:17:42.909
wanna live on this planet anymore just wait to

01:17:42.909 --> 01:17:44.909
the generation of kids when your kids are having

01:17:44.909 --> 01:17:47.210
kids and then all of a sudden you're gonna realize

01:17:47.210 --> 01:17:48.989
like wow, we have a child generation of kids

01:17:48.989 --> 01:17:54.069
that that Louis they They are born and the government

01:17:54.069 --> 01:17:56.750
gives them a free iPad that they start off with

01:17:56.750 --> 01:17:59.470
on day one. That's how they communicate with

01:17:59.470 --> 01:18:02.050
everything. It's going to be great. It's WALL

01:18:02.050 --> 01:18:04.250
-E. It is WALL -E. That's where we're going.

01:18:04.909 --> 01:18:07.750
WALL -E is our future. Congratulations. Not consensually,

01:18:07.810 --> 01:18:13.710
but it is. Yeah. But back to the original. Back

01:18:13.710 --> 01:18:17.850
to the conversation. Yeah. It's not the Now We

01:18:17.850 --> 01:18:19.810
Consume podcast without us having a sidebar.

01:18:20.579 --> 01:18:22.939
That's all we are, are sidebars. That's really

01:18:22.939 --> 01:18:26.960
what it is. Sidebars and foxholes. Exactly. But

01:18:26.960 --> 01:18:28.960
I would agree with you. You made a point of ensuring

01:18:28.960 --> 01:18:32.300
proportionality in sentencing. And I think that

01:18:32.300 --> 01:18:33.800
was kind of what we've been talking about to

01:18:33.800 --> 01:18:38.039
where. Yeah. And on that, in a previous episode,

01:18:38.119 --> 01:18:42.699
I had said that some crimes should absolutely

01:18:42.699 --> 01:18:47.720
have the penalties grossly increased. Oh, 100%.

01:18:47.720 --> 01:18:51.460
You know, like. I'm even willing to go as far

01:18:51.460 --> 01:18:55.260
as some of the worst crimes. You should be in

01:18:55.260 --> 01:19:00.119
solitary confinement for years. No, see, I think

01:19:00.119 --> 01:19:03.239
they should be allowed three options. The first

01:19:03.239 --> 01:19:07.079
option is you get 10 years hard labor. And what

01:19:07.079 --> 01:19:09.460
you do is you learn how to rebuild our roads,

01:19:09.520 --> 01:19:11.619
our infrastructure, and you do it right. You

01:19:11.619 --> 01:19:14.140
don't just half -ass bullshit. You get 10 years

01:19:14.140 --> 01:19:17.020
of like, hey, you spend 10 years every day, 8

01:19:17.020 --> 01:19:19.239
to 10 hours a day. I don't care what the weather

01:19:19.239 --> 01:19:23.119
is. You're out there shoveling asphalt, shoveling

01:19:23.119 --> 01:19:26.039
dirt, painting lines, painting roads, stuff like

01:19:26.039 --> 01:19:30.100
that. Option two, which I agree with you, or

01:19:30.100 --> 01:19:32.699
we do the solitary confinement where basically

01:19:32.699 --> 01:19:34.880
you have a small little job that you do. You

01:19:34.880 --> 01:19:36.479
know, like the old traditional joke of like,

01:19:36.539 --> 01:19:38.039
you know, you're doing the punch press for the

01:19:38.039 --> 01:19:40.359
license plates or whatever. You do some sort

01:19:40.359 --> 01:19:42.060
of job that at least pays for your stay and you

01:19:42.060 --> 01:19:45.949
pays for a concrete room with a cot. with a pillow

01:19:45.949 --> 01:19:48.270
you get three meals a day and you do that job

01:19:48.270 --> 01:19:51.010
and you do that until you die that that is your

01:19:51.010 --> 01:19:52.609
existence because that's the choice you've chosen

01:19:52.609 --> 01:19:57.590
or option three which is a far more cost effective

01:19:57.590 --> 01:20:03.810
solution is to simply end it simply say you know

01:20:03.810 --> 01:20:05.609
what clearly you are not fit for the society

01:20:05.609 --> 01:20:08.510
i'm sorry or not sorry depending on what you

01:20:08.510 --> 01:20:12.590
did i don't know really depends yeah and we'll

01:20:12.590 --> 01:20:14.170
we'll talk about the death penalty here in just

01:20:14.170 --> 01:20:19.960
a second But yeah, focusing on violent crimes

01:20:19.960 --> 01:20:22.659
and the repeat offenders, the repeat offenders

01:20:22.659 --> 01:20:25.340
is one of the things that really gets me because

01:20:25.340 --> 01:20:28.939
where do you draw the line? Like you said, 27

01:20:28.939 --> 01:20:35.020
convictions for shoplifting. I mean, okay, we're

01:20:35.020 --> 01:20:37.399
not one of those countries who cuts off people's

01:20:37.399 --> 01:20:42.359
hands. So what do you do? Where do you draw the

01:20:42.359 --> 01:20:47.039
line? How do you stop it? There needs to be an

01:20:47.039 --> 01:20:51.279
escalation of the proportional sentencing when

01:20:51.279 --> 01:20:53.939
you do something more times. So it's one of those

01:20:53.939 --> 01:20:56.520
things where, for instance, I do believe in the

01:20:56.520 --> 01:20:59.100
first offense should be a slap on the wrist.

01:20:59.159 --> 01:21:01.079
The first time for shoplifting should be like,

01:21:01.140 --> 01:21:05.619
hey, don't fucking do this. What about the community

01:21:05.619 --> 01:21:08.779
service? And you owe the company back double

01:21:08.779 --> 01:21:10.859
the amount of value in what you're trying to

01:21:10.859 --> 01:21:14.680
shoplift. Learn your lesson. Second time, all

01:21:14.680 --> 01:21:18.060
right, now you're going to jail for a year. Third

01:21:18.060 --> 01:21:21.079
time, now you go to jail for five years. Fourth

01:21:21.079 --> 01:21:25.020
time, all right, dumbass. You know, clearly we

01:21:25.020 --> 01:21:27.819
haven't learned a lesson. So then you escalate

01:21:27.819 --> 01:21:30.800
it to something more, but it should be escalating

01:21:30.800 --> 01:21:34.420
almost exponentially in what the sentencing should

01:21:34.420 --> 01:21:40.920
be. So I remember maybe back in the 90s, the

01:21:40.920 --> 01:21:44.819
2000s, that kid that got caned. Was it Singapore?

01:21:44.979 --> 01:21:49.619
I think it was. I'm pretty sure it was Singapore,

01:21:49.619 --> 01:21:55.520
but I want to say that they tried it here. It

01:21:55.520 --> 01:21:58.680
was like a one time. I don't think it's it's

01:21:58.680 --> 01:22:01.960
it's still a thing. But I know in like Singapore,

01:22:02.140 --> 01:22:06.140
they do canings daily publicly, if I'm not mistaken.

01:22:07.680 --> 01:22:10.840
But speaking of Singapore, we have a listener.

01:22:11.199 --> 01:22:13.420
in singapore they they download and listen to

01:22:13.420 --> 01:22:16.380
all of our episodes so hello random listener

01:22:16.380 --> 01:22:18.680
in singapore we hope you're enjoying singaporean

01:22:18.680 --> 01:22:22.279
super fan over here i appreciate it right um

01:22:22.279 --> 01:22:26.800
but yeah the the canings are something that something

01:22:26.800 --> 01:22:35.260
to that level of a public b uh in intense punishment

01:22:39.359 --> 01:22:44.020
I'm kind of on the fence, but I think those levels

01:22:44.020 --> 01:22:52.159
of punishment could potentially stop some of

01:22:52.159 --> 01:22:57.779
that stuff. It comes back to the days of we stopped

01:22:57.779 --> 01:23:01.140
spanking our kids, so now they're more unruly.

01:23:02.600 --> 01:23:07.619
So if we spank the adults, maybe they'll be less

01:23:07.619 --> 01:23:11.890
unruly. Now, some adults might like it. I was

01:23:11.890 --> 01:23:13.449
going to say, you're barking up the wrong tree

01:23:13.449 --> 01:23:18.289
with that one for a lot of people. It just has

01:23:18.289 --> 01:23:20.529
to be done in a way that will not be enjoyed.

01:23:20.829 --> 01:23:22.470
You have a lot of weird people being like, so

01:23:22.470 --> 01:23:26.170
am I getting arrested? Cane me, daddy. Arrest

01:23:26.170 --> 01:23:32.590
me, daddy. Give me the cane. Your punishment

01:23:32.590 --> 01:23:43.199
is caning. Yes! But I do agree that there has

01:23:43.199 --> 01:23:45.279
to be some point to where the punishment should

01:23:45.279 --> 01:23:48.000
be enough of a deterrent. But also at the same

01:23:48.000 --> 01:23:51.000
point, I do think there are some people that

01:23:51.000 --> 01:23:52.859
maybe don't understand that certain crimes are

01:23:52.859 --> 01:23:55.359
crimes. So we've got to have a little leniency

01:23:55.359 --> 01:24:00.300
for the first time. Past that, nah, chief. Nah,

01:24:00.319 --> 01:24:01.899
nah, nah. And I would agree there are certain

01:24:01.899 --> 01:24:03.880
things that also, not for nothing, I hate to

01:24:03.880 --> 01:24:06.739
say it, but public humiliation can be a very

01:24:06.739 --> 01:24:09.350
effective strategy for certain things. right

01:24:09.350 --> 01:24:11.210
like there's a reason why the stockade was effective

01:24:11.210 --> 01:24:13.189
for quite a while like the public stocks were

01:24:13.189 --> 01:24:17.689
just got you know uh -huh yep which also turned

01:24:17.689 --> 01:24:22.590
into a thing oh now bed frames have those you

01:24:22.590 --> 01:24:27.329
know now every time we arrest people for a few

01:24:27.329 --> 01:24:28.550
hundred years all of a sudden they want to do

01:24:28.550 --> 01:24:31.229
it in the bedroom i'll have to tell you they've

01:24:31.229 --> 01:24:34.970
ruined cuffs spanking the stocks you know next

01:24:34.970 --> 01:24:36.329
thing it's gonna be fucking waterboarding i'll

01:24:36.329 --> 01:24:39.539
have to tell you hey Don't kink shame me. Oh,

01:24:39.560 --> 01:24:45.399
fuck. That's why you have a five gallon bucket

01:24:45.399 --> 01:24:48.560
of water in your bedroom. This makes sense. Shut

01:24:48.560 --> 01:24:51.899
up. You weren't supposed to say anything. Sorry,

01:24:52.079 --> 01:24:57.439
I saw it. Imagine having to explain that to somebody

01:24:57.439 --> 01:24:59.079
that has no idea. At least it wasn't baby oil.

01:25:01.359 --> 01:25:03.520
Just slipping and slagged all over the bedroom.

01:25:04.680 --> 01:25:11.279
I don't need to walk. I just slither. Let me

01:25:11.279 --> 01:25:17.739
just slide on over there. We need to do an episode

01:25:17.739 --> 01:25:21.260
on the Diddy Trial, by the way. Once that gets

01:25:21.260 --> 01:25:24.840
settled. The problem is getting concrete info

01:25:24.840 --> 01:25:26.380
because there's so much shit out there right

01:25:26.380 --> 01:25:30.390
now. It's damn near impossible. You know what?

01:25:30.390 --> 01:25:32.390
That would be the most terrifying way to imagine

01:25:32.390 --> 01:25:35.489
you're in the middle of the night. Because someone's

01:25:35.489 --> 01:25:37.430
sliding across the floor, baby, you can't hear

01:25:37.430 --> 01:25:39.850
a sound. So all of a sudden, out of the darkness,

01:25:39.989 --> 01:25:45.029
you just see this face just... Glisten up into

01:25:45.029 --> 01:25:52.770
your space. Oh, man. Oh. Especially with someone

01:25:52.770 --> 01:25:54.409
like me who just gets up there and just like,

01:25:54.550 --> 01:26:08.630
moist. Oh, no. God, no. Jesus. Anyway, I'm sorry.

01:26:08.710 --> 01:26:12.869
We get off track. That'd be good to do in a gimp

01:26:12.869 --> 01:26:20.710
suit. I'll take a pass on that one. You do it.

01:26:20.710 --> 01:26:22.890
Tell me how you like it. How about that? I'll

01:26:22.890 --> 01:26:27.250
trust your word for it. So the death penalty.

01:26:30.319 --> 01:26:32.659
Something reserved for the most heinous of crimes.

01:26:34.060 --> 01:26:37.460
The ultimate justice for victims. Deterrence

01:26:37.460 --> 01:26:42.260
for the most extreme crimes. The arguments against

01:26:42.260 --> 01:26:46.140
are the risk of executing the innocent. So putting

01:26:46.140 --> 01:26:49.420
someone to death who did not do the crime. There

01:26:49.420 --> 01:26:51.819
absolutely have been cases of that in the past.

01:26:53.199 --> 01:26:57.579
The moral and ethical concerns. Is it just to

01:26:57.579 --> 01:27:00.920
take a life for somebody who took a life? I think

01:27:00.920 --> 01:27:07.300
yes. The cost. I have some thoughts on this.

01:27:09.079 --> 01:27:12.439
I actually worked out the economics years ago

01:27:12.439 --> 01:27:18.079
of how much it would cost to be a private executioner

01:27:18.079 --> 01:27:23.960
if they brought back the use of basically a solo

01:27:23.960 --> 01:27:29.649
firing squad for the state using your own. your

01:27:29.649 --> 01:27:35.029
own ammunition and whatnot, providing the services

01:27:35.029 --> 01:27:40.050
to dig the hole, provide the head coverings,

01:27:40.069 --> 01:27:46.909
all the things involved, providing a reasonable

01:27:46.909 --> 01:27:51.989
payment for the service. I got it down to like

01:27:51.989 --> 01:27:57.039
$65 ,000 per execution. Considering at the time

01:27:57.039 --> 01:28:00.100
that each execution was in excess of $300 ,000,

01:28:00.100 --> 01:28:04.060
I felt that was a pretty good cost savings. Considering

01:28:04.060 --> 01:28:06.260
who the fuck is making the money? Oh, yeah, the

01:28:06.260 --> 01:28:07.979
prisons. I forgot. They're the ones making all

01:28:07.979 --> 01:28:10.880
the money for these executions. Costing the taxpayers.

01:28:10.880 --> 01:28:15.279
And the pharmaceuticals. I'm sorry. There were

01:28:15.279 --> 01:28:19.359
way cheaper ways to get people. My question is

01:28:19.359 --> 01:28:23.449
this. Why are they not using all of that fucking

01:28:23.449 --> 01:28:26.050
fentanyl that they're seizing at the border?

01:28:26.470 --> 01:28:30.710
If it's so goddamn deadly, just take a spoonful,

01:28:31.170 --> 01:28:34.289
shove it in the needle, and put it into somebody.

01:28:34.989 --> 01:28:38.789
Because that's way more than you need. Here's

01:28:38.789 --> 01:28:43.529
a question. You need like a microgram. Can I

01:28:43.529 --> 01:28:47.640
ask a question? I have a question for you. Does

01:28:47.640 --> 01:28:49.399
fentanyl have to be injected or can you just

01:28:49.399 --> 01:28:53.680
put it on your tongue? It has to get into your

01:28:53.680 --> 01:28:56.600
system. There have been cases where officers

01:28:56.600 --> 01:29:02.060
have... Just put it in the last meal. It solves

01:29:02.060 --> 01:29:05.079
the problem. They have their last meal and it

01:29:05.079 --> 01:29:07.600
tastes great. Then they go, wow, this chicken

01:29:07.600 --> 01:29:14.340
tastes fine. This is not hard. Like, if it's

01:29:14.340 --> 01:29:16.220
going to be so little, like, fuck, put it in

01:29:16.220 --> 01:29:18.000
the ketchup. I don't know. It's weird that every

01:29:18.000 --> 01:29:19.819
every cripple has a last meal that happens to

01:29:19.819 --> 01:29:21.279
have ketchup with it. I don't know why, but they

01:29:21.279 --> 01:29:23.779
really push the ketchup on them. I don't know.

01:29:23.779 --> 01:29:30.279
But how is that not simple? Yeah. So there there

01:29:30.279 --> 01:29:32.619
have been cases where officers have been involved

01:29:32.619 --> 01:29:34.460
in situations where they've had to be in Narcan

01:29:34.460 --> 01:29:38.479
multiple times because they inhaled fentanyl

01:29:38.479 --> 01:29:41.100
that was on someone's clothing. That's terrifying.

01:29:41.920 --> 01:29:45.479
Yeah. Thank you, China, for that, by the way.

01:29:46.060 --> 01:29:53.039
If you take a penny and you cover the date, one

01:29:53.039 --> 01:29:57.520
number's worth is how much fentanyl it takes

01:29:57.520 --> 01:30:02.859
to kill a human. You're a shitty man. No. Hold

01:30:02.859 --> 01:30:07.199
on. Sorry, I have a dime. I'm sorry, but hold

01:30:07.199 --> 01:30:11.300
on. Okay, so a dime, I think it would take like

01:30:11.300 --> 01:30:15.430
two numbers worth. because they're smaller fucking

01:30:15.430 --> 01:30:26.289
christ just a single layer i wonder hold on it's

01:30:26.289 --> 01:30:28.710
not gonna it's not gonna um it's not gonna focus

01:30:28.710 --> 01:30:33.750
i was hoping it would put it this way that's

01:30:33.750 --> 01:30:38.170
an insanely small amount of anything that's like

01:30:38.170 --> 01:30:42.319
half the size of a fire ant yeah If you cover

01:30:42.319 --> 01:30:46.699
Lincoln on a penny, like a perfect single -layer

01:30:46.699 --> 01:30:50.380
outline of Lincoln, you can kill most offices.

01:30:52.119 --> 01:30:55.880
Like a standard 100 -person office building.

01:30:59.420 --> 01:31:02.840
That's scary. That's fucking nuts. It's terrifying.

01:31:05.979 --> 01:31:09.079
So, again, I agree with you. If we're seizing

01:31:09.079 --> 01:31:14.420
all this fentanyl, Why not put it to use? It's

01:31:14.420 --> 01:31:16.920
free. We already have it. We can't because it's

01:31:16.920 --> 01:31:20.720
seized evidence or some bullshit. Yeah, and like

01:31:20.720 --> 01:31:22.819
the FBI and the CIA haven't done that before

01:31:22.819 --> 01:31:25.340
where they've released drugs into society, huh?

01:31:25.779 --> 01:31:29.899
Have you ever done that before, huh? MKUltra.

01:31:30.800 --> 01:31:35.500
The heroin epidemic. The crack epidemic. The

01:31:35.500 --> 01:31:42.260
80s crack cocaine epidemic. Also, I think I mentioned

01:31:42.260 --> 01:31:44.560
this. I want to do an episode on whether or not

01:31:44.560 --> 01:31:46.699
the war on drugs was a psyop to control the drug

01:31:46.699 --> 01:31:56.680
trade. Yes. Son of a bitch. I don't like how

01:31:56.680 --> 01:32:03.100
that's possible. Yes. See, the cartels don't

01:32:03.100 --> 01:32:06.340
know, but we control the narrative. We can control

01:32:06.340 --> 01:32:09.600
the drugs. Perfect plan. It couldn't possibly

01:32:09.600 --> 01:32:11.439
go wrong by causing the death of millions of

01:32:11.439 --> 01:32:18.460
Americans. No, not possible. No. Jesus Christ.

01:32:18.560 --> 01:32:20.460
Why is our government solution to everything

01:32:20.460 --> 01:32:22.159
just, oh, we're just going to give all these

01:32:22.159 --> 01:32:23.960
people this shit and it's going to figure itself

01:32:23.960 --> 01:32:26.640
out. Yeah, no. Yeah, that worked really well

01:32:26.640 --> 01:32:28.560
with Operation Fast and Furious, you dumb fucks.

01:32:28.560 --> 01:32:34.319
I just, oh. Right? Man. Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm

01:32:34.319 --> 01:32:36.619
sorry. This is an anti -government podcast sometimes,

01:32:36.840 --> 01:32:42.380
I want to tell you. It isn't, but... We're really

01:32:42.380 --> 01:32:47.760
not anti -government. No. But we are anti -people

01:32:47.760 --> 01:32:51.079
who fuck around in the government. I think they're

01:32:51.079 --> 01:32:53.119
just anti -morons, and that's the problem. Half

01:32:53.119 --> 01:32:54.859
the people that are elected are morons. Yes.

01:32:54.979 --> 01:32:57.000
I think that's the issue. Anti -stupidity. Yeah.

01:32:57.039 --> 01:32:59.340
It's just, you know, if they didn't do stupid

01:32:59.340 --> 01:33:00.680
shit, I wouldn't have anything to bitch about.

01:33:01.660 --> 01:33:03.000
Exactly. So just quit being stupid. And we wouldn't

01:33:03.000 --> 01:33:06.520
have a reason to do a podcast. Yep. Other than

01:33:06.520 --> 01:33:12.420
AI. Well, that's a different... The only thing

01:33:12.420 --> 01:33:15.920
I do understand with the death penalty problem

01:33:15.920 --> 01:33:19.500
is you just have to keep in mind with the possibility

01:33:19.500 --> 01:33:22.939
of executing innocent people. As long as there

01:33:22.939 --> 01:33:27.460
would be ways of having the case like double

01:33:27.460 --> 01:33:31.739
and triple checked before. Yeah. If death row,

01:33:31.800 --> 01:33:37.840
then that's fine. So if there is like absolute

01:33:37.840 --> 01:33:43.779
undeniable proof that they did this, then they

01:33:43.779 --> 01:33:52.420
get 14, 30 days, something like that to, I guess,

01:33:52.460 --> 01:33:57.760
write an apology, try to make some kind of amends

01:33:57.760 --> 01:34:02.699
on their way out. And then you end it. My thought

01:34:02.699 --> 01:34:06.399
would be... Maybe you have to allow some time

01:34:06.399 --> 01:34:08.380
for appeals. Well, what I was going to say is

01:34:08.380 --> 01:34:11.600
what if we increase the jury poll size? Because

01:34:11.600 --> 01:34:14.720
here's my thought. What if you increase the jury

01:34:14.720 --> 01:34:18.600
to like 100 or 101 of your peers? And the idea

01:34:18.600 --> 01:34:23.920
is if more than one person anonymously thinks

01:34:23.920 --> 01:34:26.180
there's a chance they're innocent, then it's

01:34:26.180 --> 01:34:29.489
allowed to go up for appeals. and redo. But if

01:34:29.489 --> 01:34:32.890
you can convince 101 people, I'm throwing a number

01:34:32.890 --> 01:34:35.250
out of my ass, but I wanted a much larger number

01:34:35.250 --> 01:34:39.069
than the usual jury. If 101 people can be convinced

01:34:39.069 --> 01:34:42.689
that you definitely did whatever it was and was

01:34:42.689 --> 01:34:45.449
premeditated, then I can understand being like,

01:34:45.529 --> 01:34:49.390
yeah, this fucker's guilty. There's no point

01:34:49.390 --> 01:34:52.510
in delaying this process. I'm talking like if

01:34:52.510 --> 01:34:55.229
there's video proof or undeniable DNA proof or

01:34:55.229 --> 01:34:58.909
something. then yeah, there's no ifs, ands, or

01:34:58.909 --> 01:35:01.149
buts. Here's your pill, or here's your bullet.

01:35:01.210 --> 01:35:03.310
Take your pick. But I do think it should have

01:35:03.310 --> 01:35:07.590
to be 100 % of the jury anonymously agrees that

01:35:07.590 --> 01:35:11.689
they're guilty. But if even one person thinks

01:35:11.689 --> 01:35:14.229
there's a chance, then it should be up for appeals,

01:35:14.430 --> 01:35:17.770
and in which case, it's run again, and then that

01:35:17.770 --> 01:35:20.770
one just has to be majority kind of thing. I

01:35:20.770 --> 01:35:23.789
could probably be okay with that. I'm just thinking,

01:35:23.869 --> 01:35:25.550
obviously, it shouldn't be something that's more,

01:35:26.229 --> 01:35:29.229
refined but something like that yeah something

01:35:29.229 --> 01:35:31.470
along those lines you know because let me tell

01:35:31.470 --> 01:35:33.970
you try trying to work with a jury even just

01:35:33.970 --> 01:35:36.729
convincing a handful of people the same thing

01:35:36.729 --> 01:35:38.710
even in some cases it's fucking ridiculous if

01:35:38.710 --> 01:35:42.369
you can convince 101 people that that yeah you're

01:35:42.369 --> 01:35:45.489
definitely innocent or definitely guilty i'm

01:35:45.489 --> 01:35:47.510
willing to bet that's probably a pretty safe

01:35:47.510 --> 01:35:54.590
bet that's yeah so uh But as far as convincing

01:35:54.590 --> 01:35:59.829
the judges and the use of their bench as a political

01:35:59.829 --> 01:36:05.789
post, we had mentioned earlier that judges can

01:36:05.789 --> 01:36:09.210
take stances that are political in nature and

01:36:09.210 --> 01:36:12.329
they can try to legislate from the bench and

01:36:12.329 --> 01:36:16.529
that should absolutely not be allowed. Judges

01:36:16.529 --> 01:36:18.949
have a duty to be impartial and adhere to the

01:36:18.949 --> 01:36:22.630
law versus the personal or political ideology

01:36:22.630 --> 01:36:26.550
that they hold. And when executing law, I think

01:36:26.550 --> 01:36:29.189
that's probably one of the most important places

01:36:29.189 --> 01:36:38.609
to remain unbiased. A lot of the judges are elected.

01:36:40.489 --> 01:36:44.090
Some are appointed. And I'm not so sure that

01:36:44.090 --> 01:36:47.810
I like, me personally, the appointment system.

01:36:49.189 --> 01:36:52.640
Especially if it's a lifetime appointment. I

01:36:52.640 --> 01:36:56.500
don't know that the Supreme Court should be a

01:36:56.500 --> 01:37:02.939
lifetime appointment. No, no, no. The fact that

01:37:02.939 --> 01:37:06.859
it is and it has such loose restrictions once

01:37:06.859 --> 01:37:12.239
you're in, I'm just not okay with that. It just

01:37:12.239 --> 01:37:15.180
leaves the door open for corruption. What it

01:37:15.180 --> 01:37:18.659
should be is I think Supreme Court should be

01:37:18.659 --> 01:37:23.550
12 years. 12 years at maximum yeah with the idea

01:37:23.550 --> 01:37:26.609
of you can retire anytime during that point lower

01:37:26.609 --> 01:37:28.550
courts so like the big district courts should

01:37:28.550 --> 01:37:31.270
be eight years and local courts should be four

01:37:31.270 --> 01:37:34.810
years as a judge that way the idea is no matter

01:37:34.810 --> 01:37:37.470
which transition of power from which party or

01:37:37.470 --> 01:37:39.970
whatever's going on they can't just clean sweep

01:37:39.970 --> 01:37:43.270
anywhere yeah the idea is that it's always changing

01:37:43.270 --> 01:37:44.689
and the reason why i think supreme court being

01:37:44.689 --> 01:37:46.390
12 is really important is because if you think

01:37:46.390 --> 01:37:49.579
about it eight years would be every transition

01:37:49.579 --> 01:37:52.840
of power so 12 would be at the midterm of every

01:37:52.840 --> 01:37:57.640
power so that way if that you know current administration

01:37:57.640 --> 01:37:59.420
is doing well and people agree with it hey they

01:37:59.420 --> 01:38:01.880
might stay in or they might get re -elected in

01:38:01.880 --> 01:38:04.100
that position but if they're not doing well they

01:38:04.100 --> 01:38:06.800
might get ousted so that way if it is a political

01:38:06.800 --> 01:38:09.159
appointee regardless there will be people constantly

01:38:09.159 --> 01:38:12.060
coming and going which is where it should be

01:38:12.060 --> 01:38:16.199
yeah But that's just my opinion on that one,

01:38:16.260 --> 01:38:20.859
but it should be fairly obvious. But I don't

01:38:20.859 --> 01:38:24.619
think that the general public has a very high

01:38:24.619 --> 01:38:29.220
level of faith in judges overall, just given

01:38:29.220 --> 01:38:32.000
they're so untouchable. Yeah, and the thing is,

01:38:32.020 --> 01:38:35.939
they should not be allowed to put their own personal

01:38:35.939 --> 01:38:38.020
politics involved with it. It should be purely

01:38:38.020 --> 01:38:40.640
based on the spirit of the law. They're not there

01:38:40.640 --> 01:38:42.260
to make the law. They're there to interpret the

01:38:42.260 --> 01:38:47.520
law. that line has been blurred for almost 100

01:38:47.520 --> 01:38:51.979
years now and it's a damn shame so that's something

01:38:51.979 --> 01:38:55.399
to where what should be happening is part of

01:38:55.399 --> 01:38:57.439
the supreme court's job should be to look into

01:38:57.439 --> 01:39:01.960
judges that are purposefully and knowingly not

01:39:01.960 --> 01:39:03.420
following the spirit of the law or purposely

01:39:03.420 --> 01:39:07.359
obfuscating the law in a way that benefits themselves

01:39:07.359 --> 01:39:09.319
personally or their own personal beliefs rather

01:39:09.319 --> 01:39:12.460
than what's right by the law So, right. Or at

01:39:12.460 --> 01:39:14.520
least above all these, what's right by the constitution.

01:39:15.819 --> 01:39:22.880
Right. Yeah. Be gone. So we'll move into our

01:39:22.880 --> 01:39:25.359
last segment here. And just cause we're kind

01:39:25.359 --> 01:39:29.220
of running a little bit long on time. Prison

01:39:29.220 --> 01:39:33.579
reform beyond the punishment to rehabilitation.

01:39:34.260 --> 01:39:36.239
I know this is one thing that you've been rather

01:39:36.239 --> 01:39:39.899
passionate about with the reform part. Well,

01:39:39.979 --> 01:39:43.199
rather the rehabilitation part. If you go to

01:39:43.199 --> 01:39:45.460
jail, it shouldn't just be a vacation where you

01:39:45.460 --> 01:39:51.359
get to work out 23 -7. There are so many people

01:39:51.359 --> 01:39:54.859
who go to jail and come out 10 times more massive

01:39:54.859 --> 01:39:57.300
than they were when they went in. And the problem

01:39:57.300 --> 01:39:59.420
is, too, they're forced to make connections to

01:39:59.420 --> 01:40:03.079
survive with gangs and criminal elements, and

01:40:03.079 --> 01:40:04.939
therefore they owe them or they have to be aligned

01:40:04.939 --> 01:40:06.619
with them or they're their easiest option when

01:40:06.619 --> 01:40:10.439
they're outside. So that's the problem. is that

01:40:10.439 --> 01:40:12.600
there's an issue in prisons where number one

01:40:12.600 --> 01:40:14.600
there's no way for people to better themselves

01:40:14.600 --> 01:40:16.340
which i'm not saying that should be a primary

01:40:16.340 --> 01:40:18.979
focus but should be a secondary focus if the

01:40:18.979 --> 01:40:20.920
goal is to re -enter society you should re -enter

01:40:20.920 --> 01:40:23.359
society better than when you started number two

01:40:23.359 --> 01:40:25.979
there should be a way of actually enforcing laws

01:40:25.979 --> 01:40:28.479
within prisons so that people have their own

01:40:28.479 --> 01:40:30.520
separated areas a little bit more where they

01:40:30.520 --> 01:40:32.399
can feel safe they can actually learn they can

01:40:32.399 --> 01:40:35.390
actually grow but also understand the importance

01:40:35.390 --> 01:40:37.250
of why they're there. They should have to take

01:40:37.250 --> 01:40:39.069
classes on things like, you know, psychology,

01:40:39.609 --> 01:40:44.250
understand, do a little bit of therapy and stuff

01:40:44.250 --> 01:40:45.810
like that to understand, you know, what they

01:40:45.810 --> 01:40:48.170
did, why they did what was bad, what it caused,

01:40:48.329 --> 01:40:50.229
that kind of thing. Meet with other victims or

01:40:50.229 --> 01:40:51.729
relatives of victims and stuff like that. It

01:40:51.729 --> 01:40:54.550
should force them to really be able to deal with

01:40:54.550 --> 01:40:57.590
what they did, but also how to move on in a positive

01:40:57.590 --> 01:40:59.569
way and be able to rectify that and reconcile

01:40:59.569 --> 01:41:03.069
that. And the final thing needs to be, That they

01:41:03.069 --> 01:41:04.770
need to make a space for the people that are

01:41:04.770 --> 01:41:07.210
leaving jail can actually have an apartment or

01:41:07.210 --> 01:41:09.449
a condo or somewhere to where, hey, they can

01:41:09.449 --> 01:41:11.689
go have a real address and then start working

01:41:11.689 --> 01:41:13.729
and actually get back out there. That's the other

01:41:13.729 --> 01:41:15.770
problem in America. It's, hey, you're in this

01:41:15.770 --> 01:41:18.029
place. You're locked up. You can't do anything.

01:41:18.229 --> 01:41:19.930
You can only make connections with criminals.

01:41:20.090 --> 01:41:22.189
And then once you're out, fucking, I don't know,

01:41:22.229 --> 01:41:24.369
rot in a box. We don't give a shit. You're out

01:41:24.369 --> 01:41:26.949
of here. Don't come back. Yeah, exactly. And

01:41:26.949 --> 01:41:30.229
so nowhere in this process can anyone ever get

01:41:30.229 --> 01:41:33.300
better without external help. And how many people

01:41:33.300 --> 01:41:35.819
are willing to help a convicted felon? Very few.

01:41:36.399 --> 01:41:38.960
Especially when that record never gets expunged.

01:41:38.960 --> 01:41:40.560
You're always going to have that. It seems like

01:41:40.560 --> 01:41:43.880
you never actually complete the punishment because

01:41:43.880 --> 01:41:45.420
it's always on your record and it's always bringing

01:41:45.420 --> 01:41:48.060
you down. And I think if it's a non -serious

01:41:48.060 --> 01:41:51.539
crime, that shouldn't be on your record. That

01:41:51.539 --> 01:41:52.819
shouldn't be something that can be pulled back

01:41:52.819 --> 01:41:55.079
up unless it's like by a court -ordered judge

01:41:55.079 --> 01:41:58.210
kind of thing. if you do the time if you do your

01:41:58.210 --> 01:42:00.270
you know commitment and everything and and you

01:42:00.270 --> 01:42:03.710
do the rehab and you pay the punishment it shouldn't

01:42:03.710 --> 01:42:07.050
hold you back right you know you learned you're

01:42:07.050 --> 01:42:09.850
better now good go be better go contribute to

01:42:09.850 --> 01:42:12.329
society yay good for you proud of you but like

01:42:12.329 --> 01:42:16.289
right now it's only because our system is basically

01:42:16.289 --> 01:42:17.989
people making profit off it which is the problem

01:42:17.989 --> 01:42:24.380
yeah you know to uh to quote Fletcher Reed from

01:42:24.380 --> 01:42:32.739
Liar Liar. Stop breaking the law, asshole. You

01:42:32.739 --> 01:42:37.420
know, if if there's nothing for people to look

01:42:37.420 --> 01:42:40.579
forward to in jail, it gives them less of a reason

01:42:40.579 --> 01:42:46.159
to be OK with going to jail. Because I have seen

01:42:46.159 --> 01:42:50.779
videos of people going to court and like they're

01:42:50.779 --> 01:42:54.630
excited to go to jail. I remember one guy walking

01:42:54.630 --> 01:42:58.750
out of the courtroom with the bailiff. He was

01:42:58.750 --> 01:43:01.649
yelling out, it's okay, I've got my people in

01:43:01.649 --> 01:43:06.930
jail. Or there was another guy, I saw an interview.

01:43:07.689 --> 01:43:10.770
He was being interviewed by some people, I forget

01:43:10.770 --> 01:43:13.069
what the hell it was for. They were like, are

01:43:13.069 --> 01:43:15.850
you concerned about if you go to jail? He says,

01:43:15.909 --> 01:43:19.029
no, I already know two dozen people that are

01:43:19.029 --> 01:43:21.449
there right now. So when I get to jail, I'll

01:43:21.449 --> 01:43:25.069
have friends and family there. They're not scared

01:43:25.069 --> 01:43:30.130
to go. That's an issue. They know they're going

01:43:30.130 --> 01:43:32.789
to get there. There's people they know. They've

01:43:32.789 --> 01:43:35.510
got meals provided. They're going to be okay.

01:43:38.510 --> 01:43:41.229
It's probably an upgrade for a lot of these people.

01:43:41.689 --> 01:43:44.550
The sad part is that shouldn't be the case. But

01:43:44.550 --> 01:43:48.600
until we make a system. The hierarchy is based

01:43:48.600 --> 01:43:52.220
on your progress in getting out. Rather, right

01:43:52.220 --> 01:43:56.479
now, it's a hierarchy of violence and control

01:43:56.479 --> 01:43:59.920
within the inmates. And unfortunately, until

01:43:59.920 --> 01:44:03.140
that's broken, nothing's really going to happen.

01:44:03.239 --> 01:44:06.500
But unfortunately, with the prisons being a for

01:44:06.500 --> 01:44:09.220
-profit system, they have no incentive with that.

01:44:09.340 --> 01:44:13.260
They don't care. And there's been many cases

01:44:13.260 --> 01:44:15.420
of guards working with prisoners in order to,

01:44:15.460 --> 01:44:18.609
you know, smuggle them things in order to get

01:44:18.609 --> 01:44:26.329
money and you know connections so yep yeah guards

01:44:26.329 --> 01:44:30.390
get taken advantage of by some inmates and they

01:44:30.390 --> 01:44:36.350
sometimes the opposite they get into a bad spot

01:44:36.350 --> 01:44:42.090
sometimes you know but definitely get making

01:44:42.090 --> 01:44:45.300
the prison the place of correction And re -entry

01:44:45.300 --> 01:44:47.800
into society is a priority that needs to be made.

01:44:48.119 --> 01:44:53.680
Yeah. Education and vocational training. Substance

01:44:53.680 --> 01:44:56.659
abuse treatment is a big thing. The amount of

01:44:56.659 --> 01:44:59.239
people that go to jail addicted to things and

01:44:59.239 --> 01:45:02.000
even become addicted while they're in. It's huge.

01:45:03.000 --> 01:45:05.260
And it's never addressed. Mental health services.

01:45:06.239 --> 01:45:10.479
That's another massive thing. Like you said,

01:45:10.539 --> 01:45:14.310
job placement post -release. Too many times it's

01:45:14.310 --> 01:45:16.029
okay. Here's the door. Here's 40 bucks and a

01:45:16.029 --> 01:45:21.170
bus ticket. See ya. Like here in my town, we

01:45:21.170 --> 01:45:23.989
have a big jail for the County and we take people

01:45:23.989 --> 01:45:26.529
from all over the state. When they're done with

01:45:26.529 --> 01:45:29.289
their term, they just get walked out the front.

01:45:30.390 --> 01:45:32.689
And then there's a huge homeless population here

01:45:32.689 --> 01:45:36.170
now because a lot of it is them. It's like, why

01:45:36.170 --> 01:45:39.119
not bust them back? Well or bust them to a different

01:45:39.119 --> 01:45:41.159
area we should be making small communities like

01:45:41.159 --> 01:45:43.260
gated communities where the ideas if you want

01:45:43.260 --> 01:45:46.319
to re -enter Society and this by the way I really

01:45:46.319 --> 01:45:48.260
think also should be for veterans as well in

01:45:48.260 --> 01:45:51.000
a separate community as well as different different

01:45:51.000 --> 01:45:52.899
people whether coming out of a drug rehab program

01:45:52.899 --> 01:45:55.399
or from jail or anything else to where There

01:45:55.399 --> 01:45:58.199
should be small inexpensive communities that

01:45:58.199 --> 01:46:01.000
are also partnered with places that need jobs

01:46:01.000 --> 01:46:02.880
that need services that need things to where

01:46:02.880 --> 01:46:05.319
hey when you get out of jail You can find a job

01:46:05.760 --> 01:46:07.399
You can have somewhere to live that's quiet,

01:46:07.659 --> 01:46:11.060
that's secure, that has security on staff. That

01:46:11.060 --> 01:46:13.159
way you can reenter society without struggling.

01:46:14.000 --> 01:46:17.340
And that goes for anything, really. I hate to

01:46:17.340 --> 01:46:20.119
say it, but the fact that we don't have separate

01:46:20.119 --> 01:46:23.220
communities for people in different stages in

01:46:23.220 --> 01:46:26.439
life, I think it's kind of an issue. Because

01:46:26.439 --> 01:46:28.600
we expect everybody just to integrate everything

01:46:28.600 --> 01:46:30.779
all the time. And unfortunately, that's just

01:46:30.779 --> 01:46:33.800
not how people work sometimes. I hate to say

01:46:33.800 --> 01:46:39.859
it, but that's just the way it is. Yeah. Yeah.

01:46:39.920 --> 01:46:44.560
And then the the long term benefits of reducing

01:46:44.560 --> 01:46:47.420
the number of repeat offenders. I mean, that

01:46:47.420 --> 01:46:49.960
goes a long way when you have especially like

01:46:49.960 --> 01:46:53.380
a smaller community. Yeah. Who doesn't have little

01:46:53.380 --> 01:46:56.479
Jimmy who just keeps going to jail for a week

01:46:56.479 --> 01:46:59.100
or two and then coming back out to go bust up

01:46:59.100 --> 01:47:02.630
a shop and go back in. Exactly. That's a drain

01:47:02.630 --> 01:47:05.689
on law enforcement resources and that's a drain

01:47:05.689 --> 01:47:15.550
on the prison resources. But that's going to

01:47:15.550 --> 01:47:20.430
bring us to our last topic. And this one, I know

01:47:20.430 --> 01:47:26.130
you said you had some thoughts on. Allowing death

01:47:26.130 --> 01:47:28.930
row inmates a chance to earn their freedom through

01:47:28.930 --> 01:47:33.640
combat. I had to put this one on there simply

01:47:33.640 --> 01:47:36.500
because it was, it's something that has been

01:47:36.500 --> 01:47:40.739
talked about and joked about literally for as

01:47:40.739 --> 01:47:44.939
long as I can think of in movies and TV shows.

01:47:45.859 --> 01:47:49.100
There have been like the running man was, I think

01:47:49.100 --> 01:47:51.539
the first one that I can physically remember

01:47:51.539 --> 01:47:57.220
where this was a thing. The Hunger Games is essentially

01:47:57.220 --> 01:48:00.699
that. Game of Death Race. Gladiator. There's

01:48:00.699 --> 01:48:07.640
a million, you know. Yeah. So here's a revenue

01:48:07.640 --> 01:48:12.159
generating entertainment aspect where the revenue

01:48:12.159 --> 01:48:15.899
could be put to use to do all kinds of things.

01:48:16.319 --> 01:48:18.939
Pay for the prisons, pay for prison projects,

01:48:19.300 --> 01:48:24.380
pay for police programs. other crime or criminal

01:48:24.380 --> 01:48:27.800
-related expenses, social support programs that

01:48:27.800 --> 01:48:31.500
are lacking in funds. You've got people paying

01:48:31.500 --> 01:48:33.500
to watch these guys beat the shit out of themselves

01:48:33.500 --> 01:48:36.239
for two hours every other month or whatever.

01:48:36.760 --> 01:48:38.800
Those are going to generate some money. Oh, yeah.

01:48:38.899 --> 01:48:40.520
So you're going to have some cash coming in.

01:48:40.739 --> 01:48:48.880
Oh, yeah. And then anyone that wins, wins, would

01:48:48.880 --> 01:48:52.680
possibly have a greater understanding. Of what

01:48:52.680 --> 01:48:56.520
they actually had to do. To get out of prison

01:48:56.520 --> 01:49:01.399
with their life. They may very well likely. Be

01:49:01.399 --> 01:49:06.760
less likely. To reoffend. Now, they should still

01:49:06.760 --> 01:49:08.880
be monitored. Yeah, because you just never know.

01:49:10.000 --> 01:49:15.300
But having gone through, say, 100 people. And

01:49:15.300 --> 01:49:19.579
making it out alive. I mean, you and I have played

01:49:19.579 --> 01:49:23.680
Battle Royale games. It's the same concept. If

01:49:23.680 --> 01:49:27.020
you make it through 100 people and you're the

01:49:27.020 --> 01:49:30.399
last one left, that's a lot of shit you had to

01:49:30.399 --> 01:49:32.960
get through to make it out at the end. But the

01:49:32.960 --> 01:49:34.979
question becomes, do we want those kind of people

01:49:34.979 --> 01:49:37.680
loose on society? Because then here's the other

01:49:37.680 --> 01:49:40.539
problem. You're now letting loose somebody that

01:49:40.539 --> 01:49:43.960
just fucking killed 100 people mercilessly. And

01:49:43.960 --> 01:49:46.239
they're really good at it. And you want to let

01:49:46.239 --> 01:49:49.180
them loose? See, here's what you need to figure

01:49:49.180 --> 01:49:54.199
out. You don't let them loose here. You let them

01:49:54.199 --> 01:49:55.600
loose. Just take them to Australia. They're fine.

01:49:55.840 --> 01:49:59.159
You let them loose somewhere where we don't care

01:49:59.159 --> 01:50:02.659
where they go. Yes. You know, that's the thing.

01:50:02.720 --> 01:50:05.600
North Korea. Now you pick up. Let them paratroop

01:50:05.600 --> 01:50:07.720
into North Korea and tell them, all right, now

01:50:07.720 --> 01:50:11.899
you have round two. Yeah. West Taiwan. Put it

01:50:11.899 --> 01:50:15.159
this way. If you can get Kim Jong -un. We will

01:50:15.159 --> 01:50:17.020
give you your citizenship back. At that point,

01:50:17.119 --> 01:50:19.819
you have free reign. I'll give you a mansion

01:50:19.819 --> 01:50:22.659
in LA. How about that? And you know what? If

01:50:22.659 --> 01:50:27.140
that works itself out, I think we can sacrifice

01:50:27.140 --> 01:50:31.300
one batshit crazy dude that won a battle royale

01:50:31.300 --> 01:50:34.939
for destroying North Korea. I feel like that's

01:50:34.939 --> 01:50:37.020
a fair trade. I feel like we're okay with that.

01:50:37.460 --> 01:50:41.520
I agree. But maybe the idea should be, hey, use

01:50:41.520 --> 01:50:44.329
that to raise revenue. And they win, but yet

01:50:44.329 --> 01:50:45.670
somehow you just never hear from them again.

01:50:46.850 --> 01:50:49.189
Yeah. They get carted off and just, you know.

01:50:49.710 --> 01:50:51.810
See, now you pick up where you're getting at.

01:50:51.909 --> 01:50:57.189
You know, that needs to be the inside joke is,

01:50:57.189 --> 01:51:02.390
you know, you win, but you don't. Yeah. The added

01:51:02.390 --> 01:51:05.630
side benefit that I wanted to mention, if these

01:51:05.630 --> 01:51:09.890
contests are held, every time we have one, we're

01:51:09.890 --> 01:51:12.930
getting rid. Of some of the most vile people

01:51:12.930 --> 01:51:17.829
to ever walk the face of the earth. Yeah. So.

01:51:18.569 --> 01:51:21.689
Self -correcting. I feel like I feel like maybe

01:51:21.689 --> 01:51:23.310
you're going a little too extreme, but you're

01:51:23.310 --> 01:51:26.390
missing something we could be doing. What's that?

01:51:26.590 --> 01:51:29.810
I have a different approach. Why don't letting

01:51:29.810 --> 01:51:32.529
people pay for the right to like like the hunters?

01:51:33.710 --> 01:51:37.109
I didn't consider that. I like it, but let's

01:51:37.109 --> 01:51:38.529
revisit it. Give me a second. Give me a second.

01:51:38.630 --> 01:51:44.470
Give me a second. why not instead say hey we're

01:51:44.470 --> 01:51:46.109
going to institute a different kind of olympics

01:51:46.109 --> 01:51:50.930
to where these people can take any drug they

01:51:50.930 --> 01:51:55.789
want companies can pay to advertise creating

01:51:55.789 --> 01:51:59.170
people into super soldiers or super humans and

01:51:59.170 --> 01:52:05.289
let's see what happens you know hey hey if they

01:52:05.289 --> 01:52:07.409
somehow are able to create the next superman

01:52:07.409 --> 01:52:11.199
or batman You know, awesome, whatever. But my

01:52:11.199 --> 01:52:13.899
thought would be imagine the idea is you have

01:52:13.899 --> 01:52:15.579
the Olympics where these people take these drugs

01:52:15.579 --> 01:52:17.800
or whatever, whatever they got. That's a performance

01:52:17.800 --> 01:52:20.779
enhancing drug. It doesn't matter if they make

01:52:20.779 --> 01:52:23.319
it because they're already the worst. And, you

01:52:23.319 --> 01:52:25.100
know, they already have life, double life, triple

01:52:25.100 --> 01:52:27.100
life sentences, whatever, 10 life sentences.

01:52:27.340 --> 01:52:29.079
And they choose. Mind you, these are people that

01:52:29.079 --> 01:52:31.439
they have to opt in. I'm putting that out there.

01:52:32.260 --> 01:52:33.960
But imagine if you're like, you know, I really

01:52:33.960 --> 01:52:37.949
fucked up, but. they're saying i i got a chance

01:52:37.949 --> 01:52:45.170
a chance at becoming invincible you know you

01:52:45.170 --> 01:52:47.130
might take that chance you might say you know

01:52:47.130 --> 01:52:49.670
let's see what happens or i got the chance to

01:52:49.670 --> 01:52:52.250
basically like that that compound from the boys

01:52:52.250 --> 01:52:54.289
compound v that's what you get temporary temporary

01:52:54.289 --> 01:52:57.550
superpowers yeah this is what i'm getting at

01:52:57.550 --> 01:52:59.689
nice why not let the pharmaceutical industry

01:52:59.689 --> 01:53:01.329
kill two birds with one stone because instead

01:53:01.329 --> 01:53:03.829
of testing on people that didn't consent to the

01:53:03.829 --> 01:53:07.479
testing you know, little Tuskegee. Yeah. You

01:53:07.479 --> 01:53:12.020
know, COVID nevermind. We'll stop there. Or option

01:53:12.020 --> 01:53:14.359
two is they can test on these people, but they

01:53:14.359 --> 01:53:17.659
can also see what, what kind of effects maybe

01:53:17.659 --> 01:53:20.439
certain other drugs might have. And that way

01:53:20.439 --> 01:53:21.739
they'd be able to have a large enough sample

01:53:21.739 --> 01:53:24.939
size that they can actually get some really great

01:53:24.939 --> 01:53:26.659
testing done in some data and some information

01:53:26.659 --> 01:53:29.159
might be able to help out a ton of people. So

01:53:29.159 --> 01:53:33.140
it could do a lot of good. But now that I'm thinking

01:53:33.140 --> 01:53:38.380
about your idea, if what you're telling me is

01:53:38.380 --> 01:53:41.680
i'm allowed to carry a 308 rifle with all the

01:53:41.680 --> 01:53:46.380
ammo i can carry and you let me loose on a like

01:53:46.380 --> 01:53:49.840
500 acre reservation and you're telling me hey

01:53:49.840 --> 01:53:53.199
there's like 20 predators out here you get to

01:53:53.199 --> 01:53:56.399
hunt them you know i'd be willing to pay a decent

01:53:56.399 --> 01:53:59.560
sum of money i i you know you know maybe that's

01:53:59.560 --> 01:54:05.720
the way to do it you know maybe who knows yeah

01:54:05.720 --> 01:54:10.119
who knows so there was there was a movie uh back

01:54:10.119 --> 01:54:13.960
in uh oh god where is i have the list here uh

01:54:13.960 --> 01:54:18.659
2020 called the hunt where that was one of the

01:54:18.659 --> 01:54:21.840
premises you know again i'm not saying it's morally

01:54:21.840 --> 01:54:25.600
right i'm not saying that right but if you got

01:54:25.600 --> 01:54:28.159
someone that you know does inappropriate things

01:54:28.159 --> 01:54:31.779
with with the young ones and the option is either

01:54:31.779 --> 01:54:35.899
to have them on a firing squad or To have that

01:54:35.899 --> 01:54:39.140
generate some money, some revenue, and a TV show.

01:54:40.340 --> 01:54:42.659
I mean, fuck, if people watch naked and are afraid,

01:54:42.720 --> 01:54:45.159
they'd watch this shit. I'm just saying. Like,

01:54:45.159 --> 01:54:48.199
you know, come on. Oh, 100%. Come on. Like, you

01:54:48.199 --> 01:54:52.539
know. If the fucking housewives of whatever end

01:54:52.539 --> 01:54:54.000
up getting millions of views, there's no reason

01:54:54.000 --> 01:54:59.840
why this wouldn't. Right. I'm just saying. Right.

01:55:00.439 --> 01:55:02.520
Because, I mean, that would at least be something

01:55:02.520 --> 01:55:05.500
entertaining. just my two cents yeah you know

01:55:05.500 --> 01:55:08.060
you know what though i i wonder if this would

01:55:08.060 --> 01:55:11.140
have the it would have both good and a bad thing

01:55:11.140 --> 01:55:13.939
because like don't get me wrong i i would worry

01:55:13.939 --> 01:55:17.100
about people becoming more violent seeing that

01:55:17.100 --> 01:55:21.420
stuff happen but at the same point our media

01:55:21.420 --> 01:55:23.100
is already really bad anyway in terms of what

01:55:23.100 --> 01:55:26.479
you can see so like what it i don't know here's

01:55:26.479 --> 01:55:29.579
the thing the internet exists you know i would

01:55:29.579 --> 01:55:31.079
just hate to see it glorified i feel like that's

01:55:31.079 --> 01:55:33.510
my thing I wouldn't want that to be accessible

01:55:33.510 --> 01:55:37.130
to kids and stuff like that. Oh, no. No, no,

01:55:37.149 --> 01:55:41.850
no. Some kind of a strict, you have to put in

01:55:41.850 --> 01:55:44.710
your ID to view it. Ah, you know what you have

01:55:44.710 --> 01:55:46.810
to do? Here's the easy way to do it. When you

01:55:46.810 --> 01:55:49.569
do your taxes, you get a certain PIN code. The

01:55:49.569 --> 01:55:51.270
only people that file taxes get to watch it.

01:55:51.350 --> 01:55:53.390
We've talked about this. I still think that's

01:55:53.390 --> 01:55:55.609
the best system ever. Maybe I'm crazy, but that

01:55:55.609 --> 01:55:59.039
would solve a lot of issues. Yeah, when you file

01:55:59.039 --> 01:56:00.460
your taxes, you get your pin code, and that way

01:56:00.460 --> 01:56:02.500
you are allowed to watch these kind of things.

01:56:02.520 --> 01:56:04.760
Well, you know, we have the technology today.

01:56:04.859 --> 01:56:08.760
I mean, right there is your pin code. Yeah. Your

01:56:08.760 --> 01:56:16.500
fingerprint. So. That would be great. But yeah.

01:56:18.340 --> 01:56:21.399
So I don't know that we solved anything here

01:56:21.399 --> 01:56:26.640
tonight, but I think a lot of things just weren't

01:56:26.640 --> 01:56:28.859
being talked about. I think we solved a few things.

01:56:31.539 --> 01:56:34.100
I think we solved that you have some bloodlust.

01:56:34.619 --> 01:56:41.479
No. It's okay. I think we all do. I'll be honest.

01:56:41.560 --> 01:56:42.739
I don't think I'd actually have the stomach to

01:56:42.739 --> 01:56:48.060
do it. I'll be honest. If it was somebody that

01:56:48.060 --> 01:56:50.899
hurt like kids, I think I could do it. No problem.

01:56:51.140 --> 01:56:53.880
I've never been in the situation. Call me biased

01:56:53.880 --> 01:56:57.739
because I have kids, but you know. I don't know.

01:56:58.979 --> 01:57:01.180
I say I would, but I think I know myself well

01:57:01.180 --> 01:57:05.920
enough. I think I'd have a very hard time. I

01:57:05.920 --> 01:57:07.899
would need you over my shoulder just to do it.

01:57:09.939 --> 01:57:17.819
Do it. But yeah, if you're still listening, we

01:57:17.819 --> 01:57:21.720
encourage you to do your own research and engage

01:57:21.720 --> 01:57:24.060
with your community when possible and when appropriate.

01:57:25.040 --> 01:57:27.560
Look for initiatives that are aimed at positive

01:57:27.560 --> 01:57:32.819
reform and try to support those ballot initiatives,

01:57:33.100 --> 01:57:40.260
local events. At the end of the day, the police

01:57:40.260 --> 01:57:42.960
are people just trying to do a job. It's a job

01:57:42.960 --> 01:57:45.880
that needs done. It is not the most glorious

01:57:45.880 --> 01:57:47.840
thing out there, but it is something that the

01:57:47.840 --> 01:57:52.789
public has deemed necessary. Try not to be somebody

01:57:52.789 --> 01:57:55.810
who's on the receiving end of their job and your

01:57:55.810 --> 01:58:01.609
life will be easier. Any other little side notes?

01:58:02.090 --> 01:58:04.289
No, I think we're good. I think covered everything

01:58:04.289 --> 01:58:08.529
I wanted to say. Okay. Well, then we'll wrap

01:58:08.529 --> 01:58:11.850
it up. Thank you as always for hanging out with

01:58:11.850 --> 01:58:17.529
us. We've got some more great episodes coming

01:58:17.529 --> 01:58:21.220
in. I know we've kind of been a little. sporadic

01:58:21.220 --> 01:58:24.979
with the episodes this month, but life has been

01:58:24.979 --> 01:58:28.359
lifing. I think we're finally coming into some

01:58:28.359 --> 01:58:32.420
semblance of balance, so we should be back to

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our regular schedule. So look forward to weekly

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drops again. As always, you can hit up the socials.

01:58:41.199 --> 01:58:46.739
We try to keep those pretty updated. And we hope

01:58:46.739 --> 01:58:51.890
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01:58:51.970 --> 01:58:54.630
I'm sorry. Don't mind me. I had a guy on a super

01:58:54.630 --> 01:58:58.390
loud bike that kept blasting by my house. I'm

01:58:58.390 --> 01:59:00.970
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