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he was in that class, so congratulations to him.
And speaking of my son and messes, since we were
talking about messes, he told me tonight that
he thinks Two Girls, One Cup is a great movie.
We don't need a DNA test for that child. Whoa.
I am not going to dignify this discussion with
a response because... Yikes. He's all mine. The
best part is he's not even biologically mine,
but he's all mine. Nature versus nurture, buddy.
Or nurture versus nature. I don't know. I am
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I'm Gibbs, so... Hey! He is like the perfect
project for a psychologist out there somewhere.
If you're interested, please apply within. However,
if you do not recognize the other voice that
you're hearing tonight, that is our friend Gibbles.
He had joined us previously in the Right to Death
episode. Gibbles, if the listeners have not had
the time to partake of that episode, would you
please give us a little bit of a background about
yourself? Ah, another. Another one of these.
Okay. So I previously was in the U S air force
for six years. I was a police officer in Washington,
DC for nearly 13 years of which I had over. Yeah.
I think I was close to 900 to a thousand arrests
somewhere in that range over during that time.
So yeah. Also like long walks on the beach and
holding hands and staring off into the sunset.
cuddling after being bottom on anal excellent
yeah so tonight's episode uh we decided to bring
gibbles in for because we thought he might have
some possibly useful insight criminal justice
and police and prison reform this is this is
something we have talked a little bit about uh
throughout various parts of other episodes and
we wanted to give it the full episode that it
deserves. Now, I did want to preface things and
say that on this podcast, we have done some great
things. We have solved the energy crisis, as
we did in the POTUS Hope Streams and Legacies,
and I believe it was the There Is No Spoon episode.
We solved the national debt via the Doge episode,
There Is No Spoon. And we solved the education
problem with the aptly named Fixing the Education
System episode. But tonight, we're going to try
to take this one on. Because this is a huge issue
that plagues the country in all 50 states. And
whatever districts of Columbia and Columbiana,
whatever, Canada, 51st state Canada that we have.
There is no one right answer. There is no one
right way to do this, but it's an issue that
needs discussion and discussions that need to
be had. So it would be great if this episode
got in front of some eyes and ears that can make
the conversation happen, but we'll see if that
can ever happen. So this is a complex and sensitive
topic, and we understand that. So if you do have
any feedback, please feel free to chime in. We
will be trying to cover some of the more key
areas of police conduct and training, public
support for or against the police in general.
Excuse me. Sentencing policies, judicial integrity,
and prison reform. And I have a fun little head
exercise for the prison stuff at the end. Head
exercise? Yes. Knowing you, I am scared to ask.
Yes. If it is giving or receiving, this is not
the podcast for that. We're not putting anything
in the flesh crevice, all right? Prison pocket,
thank you. I don't like that one, Gibble. I haven't
heard that before. The flesh crevice? Yes. Listening
to an audio book. Is that where babies come from?
My flesh crevice. So Gibbs, did you have anything
to add in or, or, or Gibbles? Did you have anything
to add in before we dive into the meat and taters
here? I, I, I think I would say overall, I would
have to agree with kind of the setup that we're
giving this work. This is a highly complex topic.
And this is something to where I know there's
several segments of this where we will be addressing
in other episodes that we'll kind of be touching
upon. So there might be a couple little things
that either we don't get to fully flesh out or
discuss. Also consider, I did want to preface
that like as a podcast or a show, we don't have
any affiliations for any either pro or anti -police.
or corrections or anything like that we don't
have any sort of connections or anything monetarily
i'm only doing that as a disclaimer because if
somebody comes out of saying oh you're pro or
against brother brother no no i'm sorry no we're
just people talking people trying to solve the
world one uh one weird podcast at a time yeah
sounds good yes all righty so uh we'll dive right
in and uh discuss the Rise of documented police
abuse of power. This is something that thanks
to the internet and handheld devices of all types
has been getting documented and discussed more
fervently than ever before, because now it can
be shown every single day of the week and every
week of the year. Citizens. Thanks to body cams
and bystander videos, dash cams and everything
can show whether police are engaging in proper
stops, proper use of force, proper use of the
Constitution, essentially. Which is very good.
Right. Did you ever have any, what are they,
reports or whatnot brought up on you for anything
like that? Like you did stuff wrong? Oh, I had
quite a few times where, you know, people would
complain. It was sent to the office of police
complaints, where if a citizen felt that you
did something wrong constitutionally, criminally
or anything like that, they were allowed to file
a complaint with the city. And it would be basically
they would take the time to look to see if you
actually did these things. And from an officer
standpoint, you were guilty until proven innocent.
You weren't innocent until proven guilty. It
was just automatically assumed that you did whatever
it was. And now you have to prove that you didn't
do it. My favorite was a gentleman. He filed
a complaint stating that I basically stomped
a mud hole in his butt. And it was when I was
pulling him out of a police cruiser. And I got
sent to the office with the attorney. She sat
there and started going over the complaint, explaining
what it was about, who was making the complaint,
gave me a second to review some old notes, see
what it was from that particular scene that would
help me remember things. Well, for me, it wasn't
too hard because it happened just within like
a month or so. And the first thing I asked her,
I was like, so he's complaining about me taking
him on a police cruiser right before I put him
into a jail cell so he can be searched. Yes.
Okay. Did you take the time to watch the video
footage that we have cameras that go all the
way around the carport? including no matter what
angle it is. So you can see what the officer's
doing with the citizen. So if the citizen does
something criminal, the officer's protected,
just like if the officer does something criminal,
the officers, you know, the citizens protected.
And she looked at me like she was completely
dumb. So I told her, I was like, all you have
to do is watch the video. I got time. So she
ended up getting the video footage of it, showed
what exactly what happened. And I was exonerated
and sent on my way. And I just, Told her, hey,
let the citizen know. Thanks for the overtime.
Awesome. Yeah. Yeah, that's the nice thing. The
body cams and the recorded video don't just show
when the police are in the wrong. They show when
the citizens are in the wrong. Even when they
think they're in the right. Yeah, and let me
tell you, the citizens that like to do the cruddy
stuff and like to commit crime and all that,
they are not happy about the body cameras because
they can't lie. They can't get around it. When
I was with DC, it's been since 2019 that I've
left. The amount of complaints when we initiated
the body cam program to when I was going out
the door, the police complaints went through
the floor because of the fact that all the squeaky
wheels couldn't file a complaint really anymore
because Yeah, there are bad cops and yeah, things
happen to where it shouldn't. And obviously real
complaints really do get investigated and things
are taken care of. But a large majority of them,
it was the drug boys on the street corner getting
pissed because an officer was doing their job
and they knew if they filed a complaint, he would
go away for a while or she would go away for
a while. And that's the job. I know you. Exactly.
Exactly. So once the body cameras came out, I
loved it. Yeah. I think that's one of the big
misunderstandings that a lot of people have is
they think that, oh, police brutality and violence
are way up and all these other problems. No,
it's unfortunately part of human nature to where
I think any law enforcement group throughout
history up until the last 10 years or so. has
always been a bit heavy -handed because, quite
frankly, in many smaller areas with no oversight,
you can get away with whatever you want. Exactly.
Whereas now, because of that accountability on
all ends, it has gotten a lot better, significantly
better on all sides in terms of all the data
you can look at. And mind you, this also protects
a lot of citizens because, boy, I couldn't imagine
the amount of people that got away with shit
back 20, 30, 50 years ago. You would never know.
Look at the story of Ruby Ridge. you know oh
yeah yeah that's a that's a whole lot of fuckery
that was nothing but a couple of good old boys
who were running that whole show that's all right
prince yeah but also didn't ruby ridge happen
like a couple of days after some other incident
so there was like something else happened to
for that to cover up uh jeez i have to go back
and research that we still have to do our episode
on the uselessness of three letter agencies yes
um and the alphabet Agencies that do nothing.
It's on the docket. When I first joined D .C.
Police, when I went to the 6th District, there
was, you know, the stories that were told of
what Prince George's County would do out of Maryland
because, you know, where the 6th District was
and where Maryland was, you know, the high crime
areas. Officers from D .C. would find people
stuck in bushes or laid out in alleyways and
stuff where they would get caught up with the
Prince George's County police. And instead of
them arresting the person or just dealing with
it appropriately, they would give them the police
officer tax, i .e. they'd beat the ever living
snot out of them. And then they would dump them
in D .C. like it was our problem. Luckily, I
never found that, but it was talked about heavily
when I first joined. So I was worried I was going
to be walking down the street and just see some
feet sticking out of a bush and some poor bastards
knocked out. Like, well, geez. Oh, yeah. And
that does go with the the lack of, I think, police.
And this is still a problem to today. The lack
of police accountability. Yeah. In terms of the
higher ups. One of the problems, at least now
I was never involved with law enforcement. I
do know some other people besides yourself that
are that were and or are involved. One of the
things I've heard about is the people that are
higher in the police departments are typically
more politicians rather than officers. Exactly.
The actual officers that are all the lower to
mid -level guys, but the top level people, unfortunately,
they're politicians. And so they're not really
as concerned with the effective policing as much
as how the data shows or how things appear to
look. Oh yeah. It's the accountability part,
you know, even in our nation's capital, they're
more concerned about, like you said, the numbers,
they don't care about, you know, what happened
down on the street corner. Yeah. They're going
to come on TV and blow smoke up everybody's butt
and talk about how, yeah. Oh yes. We're, we're
totally care. As soon as that camera's gone,
it's back to the same old, same old. Oh, you
made a burglary report? Oh, we're going to knock
that down to an unlawful entry. Stupid shit like
that. So, yeah. It seems like there's still a
lot of people in the wrong places that are capable
of exerting too much influence. And from the
last I heard from some guys that are still on,
I will not name names, but they take in the body
camera program in D .C. and they have absolutely
warped in into something that's a little disgusting
in a way. Whereas now, say you're on a you know,
you're doing your 10 hour shift and there's part
of the shift where, you know, there's not a lot
going on and there's only so many times you're
going to walk the same blocks. And you know for
a fact during your shift during these certain
periods, nothing's happening. So you set up your
police cruiser in a spot, you know, high visibility.
So if a citizen needs to talk to you or whatever,
you could be sitting there waiting. And you got
officials now who already were treating officers
like they were children anyways, even though
everyone's an adult. They'll sit there and watch
to see what you're doing at that moment. And
if they don't like what they see, they'll call
you up on the radio and figure out why it is
you're not doing what they think you should be
doing. Yeah. So they're micromanaging. Oh, yeah.
Well, they already micromanaged anyways, but
they're taking it to the extreme now. And then
not only the fact that, but say you make an arrest.
You as the officer are not allowed to review
the video footage from your arrest. Oh, yeah.
And D .C., when you make an arrest as an officer
or you make any kind of contact with citizens
and so forth, and then you want to review the
video footage so you can make an articulated
report correct and factual, you can't do that.
It's against MPDC policy to do so. And the attorney
general and the mayor of all people are trying
to change that. But as of right now, they're
having a lot of cases thrown out because the
report will say the narrative will say one thing
and then the body cameras shows something else.
And because the two don't mash up, they toss
it out because it throws the officer's credibility
into the can. And technically it could be the
smallest thing. Yeah. That is incorrect. Like,
you know, holding something in the left hand
rather than right hand, they could say, well,
that story's inaccurate, so the whole report's
inaccurate. Exactly. Yeah, which is ridiculous.
Wow. You know, that should be up to discretion
at that point. You know, because I understand
one thing, if somebody did something completely
wrong and then they could not retell anything
what happened, they went to go to the, you know,
body camera footage to then maybe save their
ass. Like, all right, you know, come on, you
should kind of be paying more attention to what
you're doing. to look for like little details
to be able to get out of something is kind of
insane. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, just the fact
that you came and look at it at all as the officer
who was just there, like seriously, what if there
was a key detail for, you know, I'm doing an
investigation and I didn't realize what I was
looking at and then saw it and went, Oh, right.
That's what was going on. Yeah, of course, you
still got to have the argument of while you're
there and you're looking at things, you got to
have the reasonable suspicion to figure out whether
you got probable cause and all that good jazz.
And yeah, I get that part. You shouldn't be reviewing
video footage to figure that part out. You should
already know what that is. But like I said, it's
just like the little things. Like, you know,
you walked in a room and boo -boo is sitting
on your left. You know, Sinead is over on your
right. You know, things like that. If you don't
get certain details right, you know, they're
going to be like calling into question your memory.
Hold things out. Yeah. Especially if that's,
you know, integral to the narrative. That. I'm
honestly kind of lost for words just because.
I didn't know the cops couldn't review their
own video. In D .C., they can. Don't quote me
for other places, but in D .C., you can. Okay.
Well, just that one fact. If that's a policy
in any other stations or whatnot or precincts,
not being able to review your own video can screw
up your whole report, I would think, because
if you're in a heated situation, you're not going
to be able to recall details. Right. You you
would then need the video, I would think, to
recall the details of what led to this. I can't
fucking remember because I was getting shot at
or I was trying to dodge a knife attack. Something.
Yeah. Yeah. I could see that. They're trying
to get that changed. I would support that, I
think. Yeah. Yeah. It's one of those rare moments
where I'm looking at, you know, Mayor Bowser
going, you know, I actually agree with you on
something. And that is rare. Yeah. I'm surprised
the police union let that go through. I'm shocked
as you are. I know it's not up to them, but like,
you know. That should have been something they
should have been fighting for all along. Because
when I first heard that they were going to start
marketing, you know, when they first came out
the body camera footage program, the union actually
was with everybody saying, okay, yeah, this is
going to be a great program. Everybody agreed,
including myself. And it started off great. And
one of the things that the union was specifying
is, oh, well, they're not going to use it to
watch you. They're not going to sit there and
use this to burn you because of the fact that
they want this for the contacts with the citizens.
So we have evidence. But within a few months,
almost a year. I'd say it was like less than
six months. They were reviewing footage from
officers on the street and they were burning
officers for cussing, you know, when they went
active for, you know, going to an assignment.
Like, seriously, you're going to burn an officer
because he said the word fuck. Okay. And it's
just progressively gotten more authoritarian
from there. You mean to tell me an inner city
police department was acting in an authoritarian
manner? I know. No, never. And this is coming
from a guy that I've arrested other cops. I don't
give a shit. You break the law, you break the
law. I don't care what you're wearing. So. Good.
Yeah. Which, I mean, that's important for accountability.
I had a lieutenant once tell me I wasn't doing
my job. I wrote his ass a ticket. So there you
go. I'm doing my job. Fuck around, find out.
He tells me I'm not doing my job and then proceeds
to park illegally in an alleyway along with about
15 other people. I said, okay, well, everybody's
getting a ticket, including you. I'm doing my
job. And then he proceeded to get pissed because
I wrote him a ticket. Well, he broke the law.
Exactly. I think that's one of the big things
a lot of people, including myself, get really
sick of. Our law enforcement officers obviously
just not following the law or even in the spirit
of the law. I knew someone growing up and I obviously
I can't name them for very obvious reasons, but.
I would see, mind you, this kid's dad was part
of the local police department. He would straight
up grab his undercover cruiser to go grocery
shopping, do usual stuff, do whatever. And he
would straight up throw his lights on. He would
do 90 -95 down the fast lane, put his lights
on for a second, get people out of the way. One
of the worst things I saw was he had his kids
in the car, just no seatbelts on, doing about
85 -90 down the highway. Mind you, I was also
in the car. Granted, I was the only freaking
person buckled, so I get why people sometimes
are like, what the fuck? Why do you guys should
get to absolutely not obey the law whatsoever?
Unfortunately, there are several officers around
here that have been arrested and have all this
stuff happen because they think they're above
it. They just don't seem to care. Just like any
job, there's bad apples. People say it all the
time, but it's true. When I was patrolling and
I saw it happen, I was coming after you because
if I got to do it, You got to do it. Yep. Which
I guess that's a good segue into our next point.
Enhancing police effectiveness, training and
support. The critical need for more and better
training. Things like de -escalation techniques,
crisis intervention training for mental health
and domestic disputes. The implicit bias and
cultural sensitivity training. Oh, that's all
just garbage there. Sorry. I kind of thought
so, but... Yeah, it's a bunch of trash. I really
wanted to bring it up only because it's been
pushed especially hard in the last several years.
Yeah. A lot of people out in the civilian world
that I know of and that I've talked to feel that
the sensitivity type training is literally just
a load of bullshit. It is. So... The use of force
continuum and alternatives to lethal force. When
it comes to police and the use of force. Yeah,
the force continuum. I have a little bit of insight
because at one point I was going through the
police academy, but I also understand that police
have literal split seconds to make a decision.
And they have only the information in front of
them to react with. Yep. Everybody who sees the
event unfold on video or from a distance and
then whatnot gets different angles, different
perspectives, different amounts of time to review
and judge and everything else. Yeah. You got
to have the totality of the circumstance to know
exactly what's happening. It is my own opinion
that judging people for the use of force before
all the details are out is wholly unjust because
you do not know what they saw. We had an officer
up here in Ohio, I want to say it was a couple
years ago, ended up shooting a person because
they reached into their car to get something.
The narrative was they were trying to get something
to give to the officer. The officer saw a black
object being withdrawn from the car. The officer
said it appeared to him to be a firearm. The
subject had been unruly and angry towards the
officer. So when they turned around quickly and
with their arm extended with the object in it,
the officer reacted. Everybody who saw the video
from that angle said, yes, I would have done
the same thing. Everybody who saw it from a different
angle said, oh, that was clearly not a gun. You
can see right there. Well, yeah, because they're
not at the same angle. From there you can see,
but how about from here? Right. So, yeah, he
ended up, it turned out to not be a gun, but
it was the way that they were acting. And it
was the way that they presented the object. And
the same, the same applies for a traffic stop.
When a cop pulls you over and they see somebody
just shifting around and, and, and rifling around
and shit and being all weird in, in the car,
their, their senses and their awareness gets
heightened. Their readiness gets heightened.
They're already ready for something to go wrong.
So if you get pulled over, just sit there and
wait. That's all you got to do. That's also a
lot of training scenarios and stuff. And because
there's been many times I watch officers and
state troopers on the side row when they're doing
their traffic stops. And I just I want to scream
that you're such a rookie because they end up
going into the fatal funnel of the vehicle and
they go fast. That line where the two doors,
you know, four door sedan, you got that part
in the middle where the two doors meet up and
you're not supposed to go past that. And there's
so many times I watch an officer just walk right
up, put their head right up into the window there.
And it's like all it would take is just one jackass
to go. Guess what? I'm killing a cop today. And
there had been nothing that officer could do
about it because they put themselves in that
place. And every time I see it, I'm just like,
you're all dumb. Yeah. But, yeah. What was that,
Gibbs? One of my recommendations would be to
anybody in the civilian world that's never really
had any firearms training or situational training,
there are many local training places, local is
a relative term depending on where you live,
but you can do some of these active shooter or
some of these even self -defense scenarios to
be able to understand. how quickly you have to
decide whether to use that firearm i know we've
discussed it before a lot in firearms on this
channel um and in this podcast but it's something
to where and i do have to reiterate don't be
too hard on certain officers before you know
all of the information all the circumstances
And to understand that there might be a lot of
other information, things like they're looking
out for local gangs, local violence. They might
have hit the profile for someone that they're
really worried about or there's something going
on. You never really know. I see this all the
time with a lot of media where people put up
absolute BS stuff. And by the way, because the
problems with AI, I want everybody to be extremely
careful going forward. If there's any sort of
shooting or anything that happens, there are
already people trying to do this stuff and create.
fake shootings fake violence fake things this
is going to be something that's going to be a
big issue or they're going to take the actual
videos and distort them so i really really really
and i'm not one to trust the media i'm not one
to really do that but do not just knee -jerk
reaction regardless whether it's in defense of
a a victim or an officer or a bystander whoever
please reserve your judgments and don't be just
going online and spreading hate or anything like
that Either way or the other, because you don't
really know anymore what's going on. And you
also don't know all the events leading up to
that. The second part of the point I wanted to
make, which is something that you are 100 % right
when we talk about we don't know all the circumstances
when it comes to these things. Look at what happened
in, let's just say, the hands up, don't shoot
the Zimmerman case. Or look even what happened
with George Floyd and everything else. There's
been so many situations where a media narrative
comes out that is pushed. And you find out days,
weeks, or even months later that that was not
the whole totality. So while it's easy to be
hurt. I was going to say, I feel bad for that
rookie that was from that George Floyd thing.
He was a scapegoat. We should not have gotten
him. The sad part is he did what was recommended
and trained in that police department. That's
the sad part, is it could have been any other
officer. That would have done exactly the same
thing and if you watch the entirety of the police
tapes with Floyd What really stinks is like the
dude was on a lot of different drugs or a lot
of things going on with it and The police handled
it by the book and what's crazy is it's kind
of hard to It sucks and sometimes you can't avoid
an accident or sometimes you can't avoid an unfortunate
circumstance Do I think anyone deserves to die
or something like that? No, that's not it at
all. That's incredibly, that's tragic. But at
the same point, when a civilian or a citizen
doesn't do anything to help their situation and
they force it down to that point, you have to
look at it from sometimes the officer perspective
going, what else can they do? And sometimes you
leave officers with no choice. When you're talking
about, hey, if you're being pulled over, like
you were mentioning earlier, people being shifty
and acting weird. I know it sounds simple, but
like if you're not doing anything illegal and
if you're just chill with an officer, I don't
know about you. Maybe it's because of my like
experience and how I'm just like very nice and
chill with everybody. I have never once had a
bad interaction with an officer and I live near
a big metropolitan area that note that is known
to have like BS police. And every time, even
if I was pulled over speeding, I'd be like. hey
how you doing what can i do i'll help you with
they're like you were speaking like yeah i know
i'm a dumb ass sorry about that and they're like
cool just don't do it again i'm like thanks i
appreciate it have a nice day and that's it like
that's because of the fact that you're being
a nice person yeah you know you make it take
a lump but most officers i didn't hardly ever
know any when i was working that if you were
nice to them they were going to treat you like
crap I appreciate it when the person was like,
oh, hey, how are you doing? I'm sorry what I
did. You know, before you had a chance to speak,
it's like, well, thank you for acknowledging
that you screwed up. Here's your warning and
be on your way. Exactly. And I know anecdotal
information is not going to be valid for everybody.
I'm aware of that. But if you just understand
that those are also people doing a job and have
a little bit of compassion. that can go a long
way because i have had officers even be like
you know because i'm that kind of person when
i go to shows and go to places oh you say hi
like how are things going what's up how you doing
especially like in my line of work since we do
work with a couple local police departments like
fixing vehicles and doing stuff it's like i interact
with them a lot so for me it's like i don't know
maybe it's just my my experience but i've never
had any issues but that's also you're not treating
like a piece of shit whereas i see a lot of people
that automatically like you know fuck you you're
this you're that you're scum it's like well you're
not helping yourself buddy if you're getting
pulled over and already acting like a jackass
it's like well why wouldn't the officer arrest
like i hate to say that but like it's like i
you know i think my favorite officer interaction
video i've seen as of late was the uh the the
gay couple out in california who was pulled over
and uh He ended up threatening one with being
detained by the Humane Society because he identified
as a cat. Wow. His identification was a collar,
and he was driving the car and everything. Oh,
geez. I'll have to try to link that or something,
but it was hilarious. But the cop handled it
wonderfully. He was like, okay, so here are your
options. You can either do this or you can do
this. Is it the one that basically said that,
like, well, if you identify as a cat or an animal,
that means you're not actually legally allowed
to drive a vehicle. Like, I'm going to have to
ask you to exit the vehicle and have somebody
else that's legally allowed to drive this. And
then I realized, like, oh, shit, I can't actually
identify as that. Like, that's good. Because
he did cite, he's like, well, that's actually
a legal issue. Exactly. Like, I don't have to
tell you, but the law applies to people. If you're
identifying as not a people, then what can I
do? You're kind of giving up that privilege.
Yeah, I had one where it was two young ladies
in a BMW. We recently changed the policies in
D .C. about how we impounded vehicles and stuff.
Well, vehicle wasn't registered. Young lady,
she had a license, but she didn't have insurance
on her. And gosh, what was I originally pulling
her over for? I think it was like a taillight
out or something like that. It was something
simple. So pull them over. I come up, introduce
myself, like always tell them why I pulled them
over. And immediately is bad, bad, bad, bad,
bad, bad, bad. Just, just going nuts. Like, how
dare you pull us over? Just full on Karen moment.
And so, yeah, I remember the reason I pulled
her over because the tags were. janky so because
it was unregistered vehicle technically at that
time you know we're able to impound the vehicle
and stuff if we wanted when you're going to do
documentation for something like that so it was
left up to us you know officer's discretion at
that time i don't know what it is now and she
just ran her mouth like do you know who my daddy
is and all that crap and i was like no and you're
talking to me like i care I just straight up
told her like, look, either you cooperate with
this traffic stop. You're going to get some tickets.
You're going to need to call your father. Maybe
we can get something worked out. You know, I'm
trying to be the nice guy because, you know,
the vehicle's unregistered. You can't technically
drive it because it's not registered to be on
the road. And they just kept running their mouth
like both the passenger and the driver, both
young ladies just going, just. Got belligerent.
So, finally, I stepped them out of the car, which,
you know, according to the Supreme Court, an
officer can pull somebody out of a vehicle anytime
during a traffic stop for any reason. If an officer
tells you to get out of the car, guess what?
Get out of the car. So, stepped them out of the
car, took the keys, told them, you're going to
have to figure out where you're going to go,
but you're not taking the car because I'm impounding
it. Ooh, they were a PS. it went from angry to
spicy and i kept my i kept a cool composure about
it because i for me it was like well i'm gonna
have to do extra paperwork but that's okay because
now they're getting a learning moment they shouldn't
have ran their damn mouth and this is and I was
always the one that, you know, if you're nice
to me, I'm going to be nice back. You treat me
the way I want to be treated and I'll treat you
the same. But if you treat me like garbage, well,
there's lots of laws that people don't pay attention
to that I can absolutely get you for. Pulled
dude over for running a red light. Oh, I didn't
run the red light. It was yellow. Oh, you ran
a yellow light. Congratulations. It's on body
camera. Here's your ticket for running a yellow
light. DC, you're not allowed to run a yellow
light. Yeah. So even if it would be dangerous
to brake? Yep. It's one of those tickets where
you don't ride it very often, you know, because
we're looking for red light runners. We're not
looking for yellow light runners. But it's there
for discretion, like in my particular instance,
where, you know, the driver's being a smartass
because he already, you know, had a bit of an
attitude with me. And when I go to get his information
from him, he makes the utterance that he didn't
run a red light. He, in fact, ran a yellow light.
It was yellow when he passed the white stoplight.
Oh, okay. I gotcha. And I guess he wasn't aware
that in District Columbia, you are not to run
a yellow light. How does that apply to out -of
-state drivers? Because of the fact that you've
driven into another state or the district, what
have you, you're still subject to those road
regulations. Because it's not a right, it's a
privilege. So you're subject to those regulations.
Sorry, sorry. No, no, it's okay. Because if you
think that's crazy. So Massachusetts has this
thing where you can turn right on a red. Meaning
if the light is red. oh yeah but you want to
just make a right turn but you can't do it in
rhode island and there are a couple of towns
in massachusetts like cambridge where now it's
illegal to do it in that town so rhode island
is something as a is like a state that we frequently
visit because it's right there it's tiny it's
small it's right there they make a killing off
of purposely having that different law just so
they could ticket you They will literally if
you're like a Massachusetts driver driving down
to like Providence near Rhode Island, they will
follow you and wait and watch. They'll say, I
know you're going to fucking do it. I know you
are. And I've had them follow me for miles. That's
literally it's like having jaws follow you around
behind like it's nuts. But some of the towns
in mass because they're trying to say due to
citing traffic safety issues, they're like, oh,
yeah, we can't have people taking a right on
right anymore. But reality is they're going to
charge a two or three hundred dollar fine if
you do it. So they're just looking to raise revenue.
That's all that is. Yeah. Right on red. Yeah.
Charge somebody. Oh, that's absolutely a money
grab. If if the penalty for breaking the law
is only a fine, then the law only exists to generate
revenue. Exactly. That's why it shouldn't be
fines. It should be community service time. That
way it affects everybody equally, regardless
whether you're rich or poor. Yeah. Now, I mean,
oh, no, you go. OK, I was going to bounce into
the whole, you know, professional development
and one off Academy train. The one thing I know
DC does that's really good. They have a active
shooter course. It's a large building with a
school, a bar, a townhouse. Um, and then of course
the police station area where we've, you know,
put away weapons, um, pull out airsoft guns and
stuff like that, which they shoot. So pellets.
So, and you get training from, cause it's also
got a four way intersection with a 90 degree
turn on one point and you can do traffic stops.
You're able to do everything under the sun for
scenarios. And with that, I feel like we've,
we were getting a lot better training with that.
So when you have the scenes where, you know,
the cat, the catastrophe in Texas, where, you
know, there's an active shooter in the kids'
school. And then the officers are all standing
there with one on his fricking cell phone and
they let all those kids die. You know, DC we're
preparing for the worst case scenario. Thank
God it hasn't happened. But when it does go down,
At least I know for a fact our people were ready
for it. Because the fact that, you know, we're
going and doing room clearings on a monthly basis
or yearly basis, depending on where you're working
in the department, you know, at least once or
twice a year, you're going into active shooting
course. And it's always like different scenarios
and stuff. You would think at a minimum, those
kind of facilities would be at least one in every
state. and that way each county or each town
could rotate in and out of doing training there
or like you sign up for or something yeah like
that to me seems so simple that should be a requirement
to do that yearly that kind of stuff and we qualify
for everything yeah i mean when they first put
it up and we were all getting you know training
we got like you know breaking a door down you
know gaining access to the building or breaking
the door down and you know special doors with
like wood clips that way it gave that simulated
resistance that you would have when you're trying
to break open the locked door and stuff. The
one thing I always point out that will never
leave my brain, which it's it was stupid, funny,
but at the same time, serious winning instructors.
When we were going into active shooter scenario,
going through the top level of the school and
the one instructor is supposed to be playing
the bad guy and he's got a pistol. And he's got
a baby doll that's supposed to be acting like
a real baby. The officer goes into the room where
the bad guy, quote unquote, is. And it opens
fire and unfortunately hits the baby. The scenario
immediately ends. The instructor is now yelling
at the top of his lungs, why the fuck did you
just shoot the baby? And I'm standing out in
the hallway when it happened, just like, oh my
god. Only where I'm working would something like
this dumb crap happen. So I walk in there and
the instructor's got this kid down there, or
adult, excuse me, kid for me, but he's just damn
near in tears because he's like, why would you
shoot the baby? And he's like, but you had a
gun. He's like, I don't have a baby. Oh, God.
But it was. Yeah, just good training and, you
know, making people think, you know, to give
them the moment of clarity for those split -second
decisions. So that way, hopefully, you know,
if you were to ever end up in that scenario,
you don't shoot the baby. Well, you know, if
you ever watch the movie Speed, you know why
you shoot the baby. Well, yeah, but still. You
remove the hostage from the equation. Yeah. The
problem is, is all the investigative work, the
paperwork, the media attention. Oh, yeah. Why
did you shoot the hostage? Well, he could no
longer use the hostage. Yeah. It's like you say
in the military, you're ready to bend over and
take it because it's going to hurt a lot. Yep.
Yeah, I don't want to be that hostage. No. Which
brings us to the importance of better public
support for police officers. Yeah. Acknowledging
the difficult and dangerous aspect of policing.
It is a dangerous job. It is a necessary job.
It is one that we all need and we all don't want
to have to do. So the need for community engagement
and positive police community relations. I would
say that's a pretty big, important point there.
Yes. Ensuring officers have adequate resources,
mental health support, fair compensation. I remember
in the other episodes you were here for, you
had said the mental health stuff is fairly lacking
for the officers, at least in the D .C. area.
I mean, it is lacking. They at least try. You
know, there is the six appointment program that
you have to go through when you use your service
weapon. And being the first one is right there
while you're out there on the scene. If, you
know, if the opportunity is there, you know,
and everything's calmed down. But otherwise,
yeah. I would think probably within 24 hours
of everything else. Yes. Oh, absolutely. Just
like whenever you hear on the TV and they're
talking about, oh yeah, there was an officer
involved shooting the officers and now on administrative
leave and stuff. It's not because it's bad. It's
because they're trying to make sure the officer
is taken care of because regardless of who it
is, it's a traumatizing experience to take a
human life. Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of people
out there that think they can just do it. And
if they actually think they can. then wait until
they have to try i guarantee you they will freeze
it's one of those things where and i hope to
never ever ever have to be faced with that situation
but boy do you really understand the true value
and weight of a human life if you're having to
sit there and having to make that decision yeah
no that that's not anybody that tells you it's
an easy decision to make I disagree with them
on that one. Well, okay. Obviously, situation
dependent, obviously, because there's certain...
What's the internet safe term? The PDF files?
Technically, yeah. They will always be... Or
maps, technically? Yes, them too. They will always
be chipper lubricant still in the flesh. They
are pre -compost. Yes. I love that HBC or HBL,
the habitual line crosser, he actually made the
character Chippy the wood chipper. That's great.
He made it just for them. Definitely with more
support and resources, definitely has to be training.
Oh, God, yes, training. Training has got to be
the big thing, as well as this is something else
I know we spoke about, about maybe making it
so the officers have a little bit more time in
terms of being able to take some time for not
only training, but catching up on paperwork,
maybe having one shift a week where they spend
a little bit more time in the station and less
time being stressed out and about. Maybe just
having it to where there's more of a balance
with it. Don't get me wrong, I know a lot of
officers that like to make a ton of money and
work a ton of hours, but to be honest with you,
the more hours you work, the less likely you're
going to be able to make smart decisions or informed
decisions being out there. And if you're effectively
judge, jury, and executioner, you better be on
your A game as much of the time as you can be.
I'd advocate for hiring more officers, so the
officers that are there. still get paid well,
but don't have to be as stressed as many hours.
Yeah. I was going to say, especially if we make
the dystopian shift into the Judge Dredd timeline.
Oh, my. Oh, God, no. I am the Lord. No, no, no,
no, no. Oh, God, no. You have been judged. Oh,
Jesus. yeah if they're gonna hire more officers
they need to be less like my department was and
let's put the same name down three or four times
on the on the hired list so that way we can say
we have more officers than we really do no no
i see people arrested for that shit what yeah
i saw the excel sheet before i got you know medically
retired and my name was on there like three times
I was there in triplicate. I was like, where
are my clones at? We need to work together. Clone
bone. I mean, I thought this was, I don't know
where, how did somebody got a whole that stinking
list either? Cause you know, it's always been
talked about in DC. If you work there. Oh yeah.
There's not enough of us, but then they'll have
the. The public answer of, oh, yeah, we have
over 3 ,500 officers or 3 ,700 officers, whatever
their number is right now. But in reality, everybody
knows what the real number is. And then when
I saw the list, I was like, I was right. It's
a ghost town. And you wonder why it's hard to
find officers now. Yeah. Especially with the
climate and everything with it. Oh, and you got
politicians working as officials and treating
everybody like they're 12. You know, that's hard
to keep people. Well, yeah. But yeah, the last
point on that was balancing support with the
demand for accountability. We've already kind
of touched on the accountability aspect, but.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Rethinking the catch and release
programs. Uh, that's a failure in New York and
California. I can tell you that. Absolutely.
I will never go back to New York city while their,
their laws are implemented the way they are.
No way. Yeah. Um, so the, the catch and release
as it's commonly understood in the criminal justice,
uh, situation, they literally will get you out
or get you while you're doing the crime, realize
they don't have the space to bring you in. slap
you on the wrist, give you a fine, give you a
court date and say, all right, we'll see you
there. And then it's maybe you show up. Maybe
you don't. Well, come on. Like in New York city,
you could sit there and rob somebody a knife
point and be back on the street before the officers
even finished the paperwork and be doing it again.
They had somebody doing crap like that five,
six times in one 24 hour period and never held
them once because it was a misdemeanor. I'll
never forget, two years ago, there was a guy
that was arrested for shoplifting, and he had
27 counts. 27! And it wasn't justifiable to keep
him in jail, so they said, well, your date is
this day, about three weeks from now. We'll see
you then. And as an officer, dude, I'd be on
fucking suicide watch if I arrested some dude
27 times. And the judge kept letting him out.
I would question my own sanity. I'd be like,
are you kidding me? Are you kidding? I was the
judge at that point. Dude, there's so many judges
that need to get held accountable for their bullshit.
I mean, at some point, I started looking at the
arrest like a bingo card. What else is this person
going to do this week that I'm going to end up
having to lock them up for? Because the citizens
already know that they're not going to do anything
about it. The odds in D .C. that you commit a
crime, that it's even going to get papered anyways,
are pretty freaking low. So you can commit crime
and have a good chance of not getting prosecuted.
Oh, and then if you do end up before the judge,
Are they going to find probable cause? Because
again, with the body camera issue, does it match
up to the narrative? No. Well, guess what? Now
it's thrown out. So now your odds have gone up
even more. I mean, at this point, it's like,
why follow the law when nobody's going to enforce
it? Except for the low level of law enforcement
officers. But even then, like you said, Gibbs,
I mean, you know. At some point, you're just
going to say F it. Now, that's part of the issue,
and I've heard that from numerous officers, being
like, this is fucking stupid. Like, why am I
even doing this job? And that's why, unfortunately,
if you see it in Boston, because Boston is a
sanctuary city, you see what ends up happening,
the amount of people that, up until recently,
they would just let shit happen, because they're
like, what's the point of arresting them? They're
just going to walk. You know? It's just going
to be paperwork for me to file. Why would I get
out of my cruiser where I'm comfy in air conditioning
and arrest this guy who's just going to walk
three hours from now? Or I just stay here. I
hate to say it, but I can see why they're doing
that. Oh, yeah. Plenty of times when I looked
at a citizen, when they get mad at me, like,
oh, you're just messing with me because of my
skin tone or race or whatever. And I'm like,
you think you're special or something. Honestly,
I'm getting paid the same now. As I was when
I was sitting there playing Tetris on my phone
in an air -conditioned environment. I'd rather
be in there right now than dealing with your
stupidity. But because I have a job that I have
to do at some point, I have to deal with you.
Yeah, it's monotonous to say the least. And I
think that judges need to have their records
reviewed at some point. Oh, God, yes. I mean,
that one lady out west that she let an illegal
alien go out the back. Yeah, she got hers finally.
Finally. And then she's claiming that she has
immunity and she shouldn't be arrested. It's
like, bitch, please. No, ma 'am. You committed
a crime when you weren't even on the bench. Just
because you're a judge doesn't mean you're immune
to the law. She committed that crime while she
was walking the hallway. Yeah. It doesn't matter
where she is. She is a citizen like anybody else.
Yeah. She's aiding and abetting and obfuscating
the law. You know, don't do the time if you can't
do the crime. You know what I mean? Don't do
the crime if you can't do the time. That's right.
Fuck around, find out. I don't have to tell you.
And anybody that sits there and says, oh, she's
immune from that, they need to get slapped. Because
now you're just warping the law. But then the
problem is, does that set the precedent that
judges actually are above the law? And in which
case, you know, does that mean inversely that
a judge could remove somebody that is here legally
or vice versa? Are they allowed to just say,
hey, you are now here legally or illegally regardless
and remove them for any reason? Because apparently
that's the precedent that we're setting, you
know, is they can do whatever the fuck they want.
Yeah, exactly. if so i want to be a judge because
then everywhere i go i want to carry a 25 millimeter
fucking howitzer around with me because i'm a
judge i could do whatever the fuck i want and
if you don't like it kablam like i was to tell
you like alakablam i like i don't know like it's
just stupid el kabong is back again yo so yeah
like i i get The goal for the catch and release
program is to reduce overcrowding in the jails
and to protect the possible discrimination that
people might face during the process. Yeah, some
people do get discriminated against. However,
the way they implement these catch and release
programs is absolute fallacy. It's disgusting
because of the fact that. As human beings, if
we're given an inch, we're going to take it.
We're greedy. We're self -serving. We will take
care of ourselves before we help other people
for the most part. If it's family or close friends,
yeah, we'll stick our neck out for them because
that's just how we evolved. But when it comes
to the whole tribe and the whole. world mentality
we're gonna get ours if given the opportunity
so if you sit there and tell somebody like in
california oh it was a felony before when you
sat there and shot lifted a certain amount but
now we're just making a misdemeanor and you're
not even gonna go to jail look what happened
that state got ran over with the amount of crime
because of the fact that okay yeah we're trying
to appease people and trying to reduce jailhouse
usage however you're not taking into account
people are going to take advantage of that that
crap and nobody wants to acknowledge that's on
that side to go oh you know people aren't inherently
bad but if you give them the opportunity again
they're going to take care of themselves and
with prices and everything the environment being
the way it is nowadays it hey i i can get something
for free because i can take it and nobody's gonna
dang me for it because it's not over 100 bucks
hey guess what i'm getting something free today
it's that easy it's the classic case of if they
actually enforce the laws and penalties and they
actually arrested people when they broke the
law you wouldn't have overcrowding in jails it's
a weird problem where people knew They were going
to be held accountable. They wouldn't break the
law. It's very interesting when you notice in
places like Texas, especially in rural Texas
where everybody's armed, you notice a lot of
shit doesn't happen because the odds of somebody
else carrying something at least 9mm, if not
45, and you getting your shit rocked by deciding
to fuck around, you're just not going to fucking
do it. No. And vice versa, it's the same thing.
People aren't going to break the law nearly as
much if they know, oh, I'm going to get caught,
and the judge is going to throw the book at me,
and I'm not going to have a good time. Exactly.
So if they actually enforce the law, they wouldn't
have to worry about overcrowding, so they wouldn't
have to let people go because it's overcrowded.
It's a self -fulfilling fucking problem that
they keep thinking that, oh, just being lax around
people is going to solve it. No. No. That's not
how this works. Case in point, I was sitting
in court the one day, talking. And in between
trials, I had this gentleman that was there because
he got arrested for riding an unauthorized motor
vehicle in public space, i .e. either an ATV
or a dirt bike or something like that that wasn't
registered for public use on public space. Excuse
me, like the road. And in D .C., the violation
for that is like damn near a slap on the wrist.
You're talking a couple hundred bucks fine. Maybe
a few weeks in prison or jail if the judge is
really cranky that day, which for something like
that, never. So what happens? DC now has a epidemic
problem of people running up and down the streets
with ATVs like it's culture now because it's
been allowed. I just had a picture of people
in golf carts like left and right in DC now.
So I can actually attest to this. This is a problem
in my local city. where they have these rides
where basically you'll get several hundred guys
in ATVs and motorcycles, and they go around as
a gang. They will drive downtown the city. They'll
block off entire roads and streets. There have
been times where I'm trying to get home from
work, and literally it's like, oh, great, these
jackasses are out. And literally I can't move.
I can't go anywhere. The police don't do anything.
They stay 500 to 1 ,000 feet back, and they just
kind of follow them. And all of a sudden that
whole gang will meet me in a certain street,
and they just disperse. It's like cockroaches.
And they're gone. And you just hear them in the
distance. They'll drive right by my house in
groups of 50 or 100. Yeah. Don't you have a truck?
Yeah. I see where you're going with this. But
here's the problem. I'm always going to be in
the wrong if I do that. And the crazy part is,
like I was saying, when I talk to this cat. He's
like, nobody's going to stop doing it because
nobody's enforcing law. The judge is just going
to keep slapping people on the wrist. He's like,
I've been arrested now like three or four times
for the same thing. He's like, I'm leaving after
this. He's like, I already know I'm going to
go off to work, do whatever. He's like, I'm not
going to stop because there's nothing to stop
me. He's like, as far as I see it, it's just
the price of admission to be able to ride on
the road. And so many of doing. And then you
get the fact that you're not allowed to chase
them. The police department's officials have
made it to where, oh, you have to keep an eye
on them. Keep your eyes on them. We got to know
where they are. That way we can try to help the
public stay safe. If you took the time to arrest
these fools and actually held them accountable
for what they're doing, you wouldn't have to
do that. Just saying. Do you want me to give
you the part two of this whole problem? So ever
since COVID. Because Boston and my local city
is registered as a sanctuary city. That means
if you identify as somebody that is asylum seeking
or is a victim or something like that or is not
a citizen and you do this stuff, they don't arrest
you. There's nothing they can do. Interesting.
So they just do it. They just do whatever. It
doesn't matter. They are not beholden to those
laws. Yeah. That's a good bit of information
to have in your back pocket. Right. Just be careful
in sanctuary cities, my friends. That's all I'm
saying. It's a pain in the ass. Exactly. All
right. I have to go, gentlemen, unfortunately.
Oh, good. All right, man. Well, thank you for
hanging out with us while you could. Yes. We'll
keep the show going and we'll finish up. I do
appreciate you taking time out of your night
to give us your input where you could. No problem.
All right. Until next time, guys. All right.
Have a good one, man. Absolutely, man. Thanks.
Yep. All right. So we can pick back up. Where
were we? Public concerns. With him, we had already
kind of talked about a lot of this. I had the
potential for reoffense while awaiting trial,
the perceived lack of consequences. He was literally
just talking about that. And then the impact
on victim confidence and community safety. Literally
everything he was just saying. If there's nothing
to deter people from not doing the thing, they
will continue to do the things. So that takes
us right in. To sentencing penalties and judicial
integrity. I know a little bit ago I was talking
about the judges. So stricter penalties for some
crimes. I know your your your your head's about
to come off your shoulders. You're shaking it.
So go ahead and take this one. Yeah. So here's
the way I think about if it's a victim, if it's
a crime of the victim, any sort of violent crime,
something like that. The penalties need to go
way up. And I think people need to actually be
charged with these crimes. And here's the thing.
It doesn't just need to be that you are kind
of locked in a cell. I do feel like there needs
to be some sort of method to where this gets
into the prison system a little bit to where
you should also have to do physical work or some
work of value to repay those that were affected.
It should not just be the case of the state paying
the money or something else. No, no, no. You
got to earn your way. You got to earn your keep
by also being in prison. The part two of this
is that I do not believe there should be crimes
or anything like that where you only pay a fine.
I do not believe in that because that to me seems
very stupid. It should be based off of community
service hours or something that takes up your
time. Because money is something you can always
get more money. You can't get more time. So,
fuck you if you're going to decide to drive drunk
and be an asshole. You know what? You're going
to spend the next two years, every fucking weekend,
whether you've got a holiday or not, you're going
to work Monday through Friday, and then your
weekend, you're going to be sitting there picking
up trash on the side of the highway or rebuilding
some of our roads or doing something of value.
Because not only, one, is it going to teach you
the lesson, but also, number two, you're going
to understand how huge of an inconvenience it
is. for people to act like pieces of shit and
i i just don't think certain crimes just paying
a fine makes sense to me it doesn't it doesn't
make much sense because in a lot of those cases
all the penalties it's not going to stop them
from doing it again no it's because it's not
going to change anything if there are people
that have money it becomes a thing of it literally
just costs as much to do that and that's it that's
the mentality they take do you want the more
recent examples i saw which i want chat to fact
check me on this one I saw an article that was
talked about how Jeff Bezos, he has a shrubs
in the front of his house that are like 20 feet
tall. You can't see into his property, but in
Los Angeles, there are laws about how tall the
shrubs can be. He makes so much money. He just
pays the fine every day. He doesn't care. I read
that. Yeah. Now it could be false, but I've known
other situations where people do that kind of
thing to where. They don't give a shit. Why would
they care? To them, that is literally less than
pennies for someone like you or I. So they just
pay the fine, whatever. I just really don't think,
I don't like the idea of our American justice
system saying, hey, you owe us money for you
breaking a law. It's like, well, then you're
basically just leveraging laws to raise revenue.
That's fucking useless. No, no, no, no. It should
be always, hey, your sentence for this is your
time, your effort. You have to do something to
make the community better than before the crime
you committed. That's how it should work. That
way, guess what? We'd have clean roads. We'd
have clean areas. We'd have nice parks. We'd
have all these other things. And there's other
countries that do this kind of stuff. Yeah. The
part that I did already kind of cover, which
is like, if the penalty for a crime... is something
towards like five to 10 years for something like
that. And they say, judge as well. They seem
like a nice guy. I want to give them two years
than a year community service. And what the fuck
are the guidelines for anyway? Like, right. If
you're hurting people intentionally causing harm.
Now I am willing to extend an olive branch. I
think your first offense, even if it's a minor
violent crime, I'm, I'm willing to say, Hey,
maybe if you kind of get your act together, Do
some community service. Seek some counseling.
Do some stuff. I'm willing to give someone one
chance. Get their act together. The second time
around? No. Throw the book at them. I'm sorry.
Nope. You didn't learn your lesson. Especially
if it's something as selfish as things like drunk
driving or something like that. But if it's any
of the... How do I say that's appropriate? Any
of the worst crimes you can think of. Cough,
cough. Any of those ones. Now... No quarter is
given. No. Yeah. No. Nope. Yeah, the ones that
involve basically the sex crimes. Yes. No matter
how you spin that. Any kind of those. Nope. The
only way I could think of is if it was something
like some sort of weird misunderstanding or there's
some legal bullshittery. But even then, that's
like 0 .001 % of the time. You know what I mean?
The guys that get drunk and take a leak behind
a dumpster out in public. Yeah, something like
that. Those guys end up on a list. Let's change
that. Yeah, I agree with you. That's not in the
spirit of the law. That to me doesn't make sense.
Or like someone I know, not close to them, but
I know of them, that they got put on a list because
a woman lied to them about their age. And so
when they went out with them and have a little
fun, they're like, oh, yeah, by the way, in this
age, the parents got involved. He got sued and
all that and arrested. And now he's on a list.
And it's like I always felt bad for the dude
because, like, he fucking lied. Like, it was
in text messages and everything by a year. But
the judge said, well, that's no excuse of the
law. And, you know, he got fucked. Yeah, that's
horseshit. So, again, it's one of those things
where it's provable. But, you know, you know,
some judges. And that's part of the problem.
It's up to their discretion. I also, I knew of
a situation once where a guy had gone to a bar.
It was like a 21 and up bar. Met a girl. They
hung out for a while. They did things. Yeah.
And he ended up getting hit with some shit. Turns
out she was only like 19. And she was illegally
there? Not 19. She was 17. That's what it was.
so she was way underage how'd she get in fake
id oh well then then he can't be held accountable
at that point because like well according to
the law he could she even went to court trying
to just or defend him saying no my parents want
this i don't i lied i used a fake id brought
the fake id and was like this is what i did this
is what i used this is how i dressed this is
just my parents trying to control me and make
my life a living hell. And the judge was like,
well, the law's the law. It's like, how is that
fair if you're at a club that cards, the bouncer
didn't do their job appropriately, or if they
did, the ID was really good. She broke the law
in having the fake ID, being underage, and going
to the club. So he had every right to assume
that she was at least 21. He would never have
had the thought to question, hey, are you at
least 18 years of age? Especially in today's
society. The amount of people who in that specific
age range look one way or the other, dude, it's
tough. I find it disgusting. I got to be honest
with you. I find it weird. It gives me just...
It's one of those things where I really wish...
And granted, I am not a parent. So feel free
to hold me to the fires on this one. Put my ass
on the coals. But if you're a parent and you
are totally okay with your late teen kids trying
to act like 21 and 25 year olds or something
like that range, and you think that's okay...
I think you're out of your fucking gourd. I'm
sorry. The amount of shit that I see younger
kids, particularly usually younger girls, fucking
posting, it scares me. Again, I love my little
sister to death, but I've seen what she shares
from some of her friends on occasion. She'll
share a post or something like that. I'm like,
Jesus Christ, what the fuck is wrong with y 'all?
And again, call me crazy, call me whatever. But
it's like, why are parents okay with kids acting
like that? I don't understand. When they not
only do not understand what they're messing with
and have no idea. They're not mentally developed
enough to understand kind of what's going on.
But they also don't understand legally that regardless
of whether they're in the right or they're in
the wrong, they can fuck up someone's life. And
there's no way around it. Well, you said the
key word there. They can fuck up someone else's
life. Yes. If they don't fuck up their own life,
I don't think they have that level of care. But
that's insane to me. That is something I have
seen in this younger generation. But we're kind
of getting off topic. I know. We do that. That's
a discussion for the... How how how fuck this
generation of kids is That one's still on the
burn and you know, what's even gonna be greater
is I bet you the next generation kids are gonna
be even worse It's just gonna keep getting worse
bad. Just you wait You think this is bad Just
wanna live on this planet anymore just wait to
the generation of kids when your kids are having
kids and then all of a sudden you're gonna realize
like wow, we have a child generation of kids
that that Louis they They are born and the government
gives them a free iPad that they start off with
on day one. That's how they communicate with
everything. It's going to be great. It's WALL
-E. It is WALL -E. That's where we're going.
WALL -E is our future. Congratulations. Not consensually,
but it is. Yeah. But back to the original. Back
to the conversation. Yeah. It's not the Now We
Consume podcast without us having a sidebar.
That's all we are, are sidebars. That's really
what it is. Sidebars and foxholes. Exactly. But
I would agree with you. You made a point of ensuring
proportionality in sentencing. And I think that
was kind of what we've been talking about to
where. Yeah. And on that, in a previous episode,
I had said that some crimes should absolutely
have the penalties grossly increased. Oh, 100%.
You know, like. I'm even willing to go as far
as some of the worst crimes. You should be in
solitary confinement for years. No, see, I think
they should be allowed three options. The first
option is you get 10 years hard labor. And what
you do is you learn how to rebuild our roads,
our infrastructure, and you do it right. You
don't just half -ass bullshit. You get 10 years
of like, hey, you spend 10 years every day, 8
to 10 hours a day. I don't care what the weather
is. You're out there shoveling asphalt, shoveling
dirt, painting lines, painting roads, stuff like
that. Option two, which I agree with you, or
we do the solitary confinement where basically
you have a small little job that you do. You
know, like the old traditional joke of like,
you know, you're doing the punch press for the
license plates or whatever. You do some sort
of job that at least pays for your stay and you
pays for a concrete room with a cot. with a pillow
you get three meals a day and you do that job
and you do that until you die that that is your
existence because that's the choice you've chosen
or option three which is a far more cost effective
solution is to simply end it simply say you know
what clearly you are not fit for the society
i'm sorry or not sorry depending on what you
did i don't know really depends yeah and we'll
we'll talk about the death penalty here in just
a second But yeah, focusing on violent crimes
and the repeat offenders, the repeat offenders
is one of the things that really gets me because
where do you draw the line? Like you said, 27
convictions for shoplifting. I mean, okay, we're
not one of those countries who cuts off people's
hands. So what do you do? Where do you draw the
line? How do you stop it? There needs to be an
escalation of the proportional sentencing when
you do something more times. So it's one of those
things where, for instance, I do believe in the
first offense should be a slap on the wrist.
The first time for shoplifting should be like,
hey, don't fucking do this. What about the community
service? And you owe the company back double
the amount of value in what you're trying to
shoplift. Learn your lesson. Second time, all
right, now you're going to jail for a year. Third
time, now you go to jail for five years. Fourth
time, all right, dumbass. You know, clearly we
haven't learned a lesson. So then you escalate
it to something more, but it should be escalating
almost exponentially in what the sentencing should
be. So I remember maybe back in the 90s, the
2000s, that kid that got caned. Was it Singapore?
I think it was. I'm pretty sure it was Singapore,
but I want to say that they tried it here. It
was like a one time. I don't think it's it's
it's still a thing. But I know in like Singapore,
they do canings daily publicly, if I'm not mistaken.
But speaking of Singapore, we have a listener.
in singapore they they download and listen to
all of our episodes so hello random listener
in singapore we hope you're enjoying singaporean
super fan over here i appreciate it right um
but yeah the the canings are something that something
to that level of a public b uh in intense punishment
I'm kind of on the fence, but I think those levels
of punishment could potentially stop some of
that stuff. It comes back to the days of we stopped
spanking our kids, so now they're more unruly.
So if we spank the adults, maybe they'll be less
unruly. Now, some adults might like it. I was
going to say, you're barking up the wrong tree
with that one for a lot of people. It just has
to be done in a way that will not be enjoyed.
You have a lot of weird people being like, so
am I getting arrested? Cane me, daddy. Arrest
me, daddy. Give me the cane. Your punishment
is caning. Yes! But I do agree that there has
to be some point to where the punishment should
be enough of a deterrent. But also at the same
point, I do think there are some people that
maybe don't understand that certain crimes are
crimes. So we've got to have a little leniency
for the first time. Past that, nah, chief. Nah,
nah, nah. And I would agree there are certain
things that also, not for nothing, I hate to
say it, but public humiliation can be a very
effective strategy for certain things. right
like there's a reason why the stockade was effective
for quite a while like the public stocks were
just got you know uh -huh yep which also turned
into a thing oh now bed frames have those you
know now every time we arrest people for a few
hundred years all of a sudden they want to do
it in the bedroom i'll have to tell you they've
ruined cuffs spanking the stocks you know next
thing it's gonna be fucking waterboarding i'll
have to tell you hey Don't kink shame me. Oh,
fuck. That's why you have a five gallon bucket
of water in your bedroom. This makes sense. Shut
up. You weren't supposed to say anything. Sorry,
I saw it. Imagine having to explain that to somebody
that has no idea. At least it wasn't baby oil.
Just slipping and slagged all over the bedroom.
I don't need to walk. I just slither. Let me
just slide on over there. We need to do an episode
on the Diddy Trial, by the way. Once that gets
settled. The problem is getting concrete info
because there's so much shit out there right
now. It's damn near impossible. You know what?
That would be the most terrifying way to imagine
you're in the middle of the night. Because someone's
sliding across the floor, baby, you can't hear
a sound. So all of a sudden, out of the darkness,
you just see this face just... Glisten up into
your space. Oh, man. Oh. Especially with someone
like me who just gets up there and just like,
moist. Oh, no. God, no. Jesus. Anyway, I'm sorry.
We get off track. That'd be good to do in a gimp
suit. I'll take a pass on that one. You do it.
Tell me how you like it. How about that? I'll
trust your word for it. So the death penalty.
Something reserved for the most heinous of crimes.
The ultimate justice for victims. Deterrence
for the most extreme crimes. The arguments against
are the risk of executing the innocent. So putting
someone to death who did not do the crime. There
absolutely have been cases of that in the past.
The moral and ethical concerns. Is it just to
take a life for somebody who took a life? I think
yes. The cost. I have some thoughts on this.
I actually worked out the economics years ago
of how much it would cost to be a private executioner
if they brought back the use of basically a solo
firing squad for the state using your own. your
own ammunition and whatnot, providing the services
to dig the hole, provide the head coverings,
all the things involved, providing a reasonable
payment for the service. I got it down to like
$65 ,000 per execution. Considering at the time
that each execution was in excess of $300 ,000,
I felt that was a pretty good cost savings. Considering
who the fuck is making the money? Oh, yeah, the
prisons. I forgot. They're the ones making all
the money for these executions. Costing the taxpayers.
And the pharmaceuticals. I'm sorry. There were
way cheaper ways to get people. My question is
this. Why are they not using all of that fucking
fentanyl that they're seizing at the border?
If it's so goddamn deadly, just take a spoonful,
shove it in the needle, and put it into somebody.
Because that's way more than you need. Here's
a question. You need like a microgram. Can I
ask a question? I have a question for you. Does
fentanyl have to be injected or can you just
put it on your tongue? It has to get into your
system. There have been cases where officers
have... Just put it in the last meal. It solves
the problem. They have their last meal and it
tastes great. Then they go, wow, this chicken
tastes fine. This is not hard. Like, if it's
going to be so little, like, fuck, put it in
the ketchup. I don't know. It's weird that every
every cripple has a last meal that happens to
have ketchup with it. I don't know why, but they
really push the ketchup on them. I don't know.
But how is that not simple? Yeah. So there there
have been cases where officers have been involved
in situations where they've had to be in Narcan
multiple times because they inhaled fentanyl
that was on someone's clothing. That's terrifying.
Yeah. Thank you, China, for that, by the way.
If you take a penny and you cover the date, one
number's worth is how much fentanyl it takes
to kill a human. You're a shitty man. No. Hold
on. Sorry, I have a dime. I'm sorry, but hold
on. Okay, so a dime, I think it would take like
two numbers worth. because they're smaller fucking
christ just a single layer i wonder hold on it's
not gonna it's not gonna um it's not gonna focus
i was hoping it would put it this way that's
an insanely small amount of anything that's like
half the size of a fire ant yeah If you cover
Lincoln on a penny, like a perfect single -layer
outline of Lincoln, you can kill most offices.
Like a standard 100 -person office building.
That's scary. That's fucking nuts. It's terrifying.
So, again, I agree with you. If we're seizing
all this fentanyl, Why not put it to use? It's
free. We already have it. We can't because it's
seized evidence or some bullshit. Yeah, and like
the FBI and the CIA haven't done that before
where they've released drugs into society, huh?
Have you ever done that before, huh? MKUltra.
The heroin epidemic. The crack epidemic. The
80s crack cocaine epidemic. Also, I think I mentioned
this. I want to do an episode on whether or not
the war on drugs was a psyop to control the drug
trade. Yes. Son of a bitch. I don't like how
that's possible. Yes. See, the cartels don't
know, but we control the narrative. We can control
the drugs. Perfect plan. It couldn't possibly
go wrong by causing the death of millions of
Americans. No, not possible. No. Jesus Christ.
Why is our government solution to everything
just, oh, we're just going to give all these
people this shit and it's going to figure itself
out. Yeah, no. Yeah, that worked really well
with Operation Fast and Furious, you dumb fucks.
I just, oh. Right? Man. Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm
sorry. This is an anti -government podcast sometimes,
I want to tell you. It isn't, but... We're really
not anti -government. No. But we are anti -people
who fuck around in the government. I think they're
just anti -morons, and that's the problem. Half
the people that are elected are morons. Yes.
I think that's the issue. Anti -stupidity. Yeah.
It's just, you know, if they didn't do stupid
shit, I wouldn't have anything to bitch about.
Exactly. So just quit being stupid. And we wouldn't
have a reason to do a podcast. Yep. Other than
AI. Well, that's a different... The only thing
I do understand with the death penalty problem
is you just have to keep in mind with the possibility
of executing innocent people. As long as there
would be ways of having the case like double
and triple checked before. Yeah. If death row,
then that's fine. So if there is like absolute
undeniable proof that they did this, then they
get 14, 30 days, something like that to, I guess,
write an apology, try to make some kind of amends
on their way out. And then you end it. My thought
would be... Maybe you have to allow some time
for appeals. Well, what I was going to say is
what if we increase the jury poll size? Because
here's my thought. What if you increase the jury
to like 100 or 101 of your peers? And the idea
is if more than one person anonymously thinks
there's a chance they're innocent, then it's
allowed to go up for appeals. and redo. But if
you can convince 101 people, I'm throwing a number
out of my ass, but I wanted a much larger number
than the usual jury. If 101 people can be convinced
that you definitely did whatever it was and was
premeditated, then I can understand being like,
yeah, this fucker's guilty. There's no point
in delaying this process. I'm talking like if
there's video proof or undeniable DNA proof or
something. then yeah, there's no ifs, ands, or
buts. Here's your pill, or here's your bullet.
Take your pick. But I do think it should have
to be 100 % of the jury anonymously agrees that
they're guilty. But if even one person thinks
there's a chance, then it should be up for appeals,
and in which case, it's run again, and then that
one just has to be majority kind of thing. I
could probably be okay with that. I'm just thinking,
obviously, it shouldn't be something that's more,
refined but something like that yeah something
along those lines you know because let me tell
you try trying to work with a jury even just
convincing a handful of people the same thing
even in some cases it's fucking ridiculous if
you can convince 101 people that that yeah you're
definitely innocent or definitely guilty i'm
willing to bet that's probably a pretty safe
bet that's yeah so uh But as far as convincing
the judges and the use of their bench as a political
post, we had mentioned earlier that judges can
take stances that are political in nature and
they can try to legislate from the bench and
that should absolutely not be allowed. Judges
have a duty to be impartial and adhere to the
law versus the personal or political ideology
that they hold. And when executing law, I think
that's probably one of the most important places
to remain unbiased. A lot of the judges are elected.
Some are appointed. And I'm not so sure that
I like, me personally, the appointment system.
Especially if it's a lifetime appointment. I
don't know that the Supreme Court should be a
lifetime appointment. No, no, no. The fact that
it is and it has such loose restrictions once
you're in, I'm just not okay with that. It just
leaves the door open for corruption. What it
should be is I think Supreme Court should be
12 years. 12 years at maximum yeah with the idea
of you can retire anytime during that point lower
courts so like the big district courts should
be eight years and local courts should be four
years as a judge that way the idea is no matter
which transition of power from which party or
whatever's going on they can't just clean sweep
anywhere yeah the idea is that it's always changing
and the reason why i think supreme court being
12 is really important is because if you think
about it eight years would be every transition
of power so 12 would be at the midterm of every
power so that way if that you know current administration
is doing well and people agree with it hey they
might stay in or they might get re -elected in
that position but if they're not doing well they
might get ousted so that way if it is a political
appointee regardless there will be people constantly
coming and going which is where it should be
yeah But that's just my opinion on that one,
but it should be fairly obvious. But I don't
think that the general public has a very high
level of faith in judges overall, just given
they're so untouchable. Yeah, and the thing is,
they should not be allowed to put their own personal
politics involved with it. It should be purely
based on the spirit of the law. They're not there
to make the law. They're there to interpret the
law. that line has been blurred for almost 100
years now and it's a damn shame so that's something
to where what should be happening is part of
the supreme court's job should be to look into
judges that are purposefully and knowingly not
following the spirit of the law or purposely
obfuscating the law in a way that benefits themselves
personally or their own personal beliefs rather
than what's right by the law So, right. Or at
least above all these, what's right by the constitution.
Right. Yeah. Be gone. So we'll move into our
last segment here. And just cause we're kind
of running a little bit long on time. Prison
reform beyond the punishment to rehabilitation.
I know this is one thing that you've been rather
passionate about with the reform part. Well,
rather the rehabilitation part. If you go to
jail, it shouldn't just be a vacation where you
get to work out 23 -7. There are so many people
who go to jail and come out 10 times more massive
than they were when they went in. And the problem
is, too, they're forced to make connections to
survive with gangs and criminal elements, and
therefore they owe them or they have to be aligned
with them or they're their easiest option when
they're outside. So that's the problem. is that
there's an issue in prisons where number one
there's no way for people to better themselves
which i'm not saying that should be a primary
focus but should be a secondary focus if the
goal is to re -enter society you should re -enter
society better than when you started number two
there should be a way of actually enforcing laws
within prisons so that people have their own
separated areas a little bit more where they
can feel safe they can actually learn they can
actually grow but also understand the importance
of why they're there. They should have to take
classes on things like, you know, psychology,
understand, do a little bit of therapy and stuff
like that to understand, you know, what they
did, why they did what was bad, what it caused,
that kind of thing. Meet with other victims or
relatives of victims and stuff like that. It
should force them to really be able to deal with
what they did, but also how to move on in a positive
way and be able to rectify that and reconcile
that. And the final thing needs to be, That they
need to make a space for the people that are
leaving jail can actually have an apartment or
a condo or somewhere to where, hey, they can
go have a real address and then start working
and actually get back out there. That's the other
problem in America. It's, hey, you're in this
place. You're locked up. You can't do anything.
You can only make connections with criminals.
And then once you're out, fucking, I don't know,
rot in a box. We don't give a shit. You're out
of here. Don't come back. Yeah, exactly. And
so nowhere in this process can anyone ever get
better without external help. And how many people
are willing to help a convicted felon? Very few.
Especially when that record never gets expunged.
You're always going to have that. It seems like
you never actually complete the punishment because
it's always on your record and it's always bringing
you down. And I think if it's a non -serious
crime, that shouldn't be on your record. That
shouldn't be something that can be pulled back
up unless it's like by a court -ordered judge
kind of thing. if you do the time if you do your
you know commitment and everything and and you
do the rehab and you pay the punishment it shouldn't
hold you back right you know you learned you're
better now good go be better go contribute to
society yay good for you proud of you but like
right now it's only because our system is basically
people making profit off it which is the problem
yeah you know to uh to quote Fletcher Reed from
Liar Liar. Stop breaking the law, asshole. You
know, if if there's nothing for people to look
forward to in jail, it gives them less of a reason
to be OK with going to jail. Because I have seen
videos of people going to court and like they're
excited to go to jail. I remember one guy walking
out of the courtroom with the bailiff. He was
yelling out, it's okay, I've got my people in
jail. Or there was another guy, I saw an interview.
He was being interviewed by some people, I forget
what the hell it was for. They were like, are
you concerned about if you go to jail? He says,
no, I already know two dozen people that are
there right now. So when I get to jail, I'll
have friends and family there. They're not scared
to go. That's an issue. They know they're going
to get there. There's people they know. They've
got meals provided. They're going to be okay.
It's probably an upgrade for a lot of these people.
The sad part is that shouldn't be the case. But
until we make a system. The hierarchy is based
on your progress in getting out. Rather, right
now, it's a hierarchy of violence and control
within the inmates. And unfortunately, until
that's broken, nothing's really going to happen.
But unfortunately, with the prisons being a for
-profit system, they have no incentive with that.
They don't care. And there's been many cases
of guards working with prisoners in order to,
you know, smuggle them things in order to get
money and you know connections so yep yeah guards
get taken advantage of by some inmates and they
sometimes the opposite they get into a bad spot
sometimes you know but definitely get making
the prison the place of correction And re -entry
into society is a priority that needs to be made.
Yeah. Education and vocational training. Substance
abuse treatment is a big thing. The amount of
people that go to jail addicted to things and
even become addicted while they're in. It's huge.
And it's never addressed. Mental health services.
That's another massive thing. Like you said,
job placement post -release. Too many times it's
okay. Here's the door. Here's 40 bucks and a
bus ticket. See ya. Like here in my town, we
have a big jail for the County and we take people
from all over the state. When they're done with
their term, they just get walked out the front.
And then there's a huge homeless population here
now because a lot of it is them. It's like, why
not bust them back? Well or bust them to a different
area we should be making small communities like
gated communities where the ideas if you want
to re -enter Society and this by the way I really
think also should be for veterans as well in
a separate community as well as different different
people whether coming out of a drug rehab program
or from jail or anything else to where There
should be small inexpensive communities that
are also partnered with places that need jobs
that need services that need things to where
hey when you get out of jail You can find a job
You can have somewhere to live that's quiet,
that's secure, that has security on staff. That
way you can reenter society without struggling.
And that goes for anything, really. I hate to
say it, but the fact that we don't have separate
communities for people in different stages in
life, I think it's kind of an issue. Because
we expect everybody just to integrate everything
all the time. And unfortunately, that's just
not how people work sometimes. I hate to say
it, but that's just the way it is. Yeah. Yeah.
And then the the long term benefits of reducing
the number of repeat offenders. I mean, that
goes a long way when you have especially like
a smaller community. Yeah. Who doesn't have little
Jimmy who just keeps going to jail for a week
or two and then coming back out to go bust up
a shop and go back in. Exactly. That's a drain
on law enforcement resources and that's a drain
on the prison resources. But that's going to
bring us to our last topic. And this one, I know
you said you had some thoughts on. Allowing death
row inmates a chance to earn their freedom through
combat. I had to put this one on there simply
because it was, it's something that has been
talked about and joked about literally for as
long as I can think of in movies and TV shows.
There have been like the running man was, I think
the first one that I can physically remember
where this was a thing. The Hunger Games is essentially
that. Game of Death Race. Gladiator. There's
a million, you know. Yeah. So here's a revenue
generating entertainment aspect where the revenue
could be put to use to do all kinds of things.
Pay for the prisons, pay for prison projects,
pay for police programs. other crime or criminal
-related expenses, social support programs that
are lacking in funds. You've got people paying
to watch these guys beat the shit out of themselves
for two hours every other month or whatever.
Those are going to generate some money. Oh, yeah.
So you're going to have some cash coming in.
Oh, yeah. And then anyone that wins, wins, would
possibly have a greater understanding. Of what
they actually had to do. To get out of prison
with their life. They may very well likely. Be
less likely. To reoffend. Now, they should still
be monitored. Yeah, because you just never know.
But having gone through, say, 100 people. And
making it out alive. I mean, you and I have played
Battle Royale games. It's the same concept. If
you make it through 100 people and you're the
last one left, that's a lot of shit you had to
get through to make it out at the end. But the
question becomes, do we want those kind of people
loose on society? Because then here's the other
problem. You're now letting loose somebody that
just fucking killed 100 people mercilessly. And
they're really good at it. And you want to let
them loose? See, here's what you need to figure
out. You don't let them loose here. You let them
loose. Just take them to Australia. They're fine.
You let them loose somewhere where we don't care
where they go. Yes. You know, that's the thing.
North Korea. Now you pick up. Let them paratroop
into North Korea and tell them, all right, now
you have round two. Yeah. West Taiwan. Put it
this way. If you can get Kim Jong -un. We will
give you your citizenship back. At that point,
you have free reign. I'll give you a mansion
in LA. How about that? And you know what? If
that works itself out, I think we can sacrifice
one batshit crazy dude that won a battle royale
for destroying North Korea. I feel like that's
a fair trade. I feel like we're okay with that.
I agree. But maybe the idea should be, hey, use
that to raise revenue. And they win, but yet
somehow you just never hear from them again.
Yeah. They get carted off and just, you know.
See, now you pick up where you're getting at.
You know, that needs to be the inside joke is,
you know, you win, but you don't. Yeah. The added
side benefit that I wanted to mention, if these
contests are held, every time we have one, we're
getting rid. Of some of the most vile people
to ever walk the face of the earth. Yeah. So.
Self -correcting. I feel like I feel like maybe
you're going a little too extreme, but you're
missing something we could be doing. What's that?
I have a different approach. Why don't letting
people pay for the right to like like the hunters?
I didn't consider that. I like it, but let's
revisit it. Give me a second. Give me a second.
Give me a second. why not instead say hey we're
going to institute a different kind of olympics
to where these people can take any drug they
want companies can pay to advertise creating
people into super soldiers or super humans and
let's see what happens you know hey hey if they
somehow are able to create the next superman
or batman You know, awesome, whatever. But my
thought would be imagine the idea is you have
the Olympics where these people take these drugs
or whatever, whatever they got. That's a performance
enhancing drug. It doesn't matter if they make
it because they're already the worst. And, you
know, they already have life, double life, triple
life sentences, whatever, 10 life sentences.
And they choose. Mind you, these are people that
they have to opt in. I'm putting that out there.
But imagine if you're like, you know, I really
fucked up, but. they're saying i i got a chance
a chance at becoming invincible you know you
might take that chance you might say you know
let's see what happens or i got the chance to
basically like that that compound from the boys
compound v that's what you get temporary temporary
superpowers yeah this is what i'm getting at
nice why not let the pharmaceutical industry
kill two birds with one stone because instead
of testing on people that didn't consent to the
testing you know, little Tuskegee. Yeah. You
know, COVID nevermind. We'll stop there. Or option
two is they can test on these people, but they
can also see what, what kind of effects maybe
certain other drugs might have. And that way
they'd be able to have a large enough sample
size that they can actually get some really great
testing done in some data and some information
might be able to help out a ton of people. So
it could do a lot of good. But now that I'm thinking
about your idea, if what you're telling me is
i'm allowed to carry a 308 rifle with all the
ammo i can carry and you let me loose on a like
500 acre reservation and you're telling me hey
there's like 20 predators out here you get to
hunt them you know i'd be willing to pay a decent
sum of money i i you know you know maybe that's
the way to do it you know maybe who knows yeah
who knows so there was there was a movie uh back
in uh oh god where is i have the list here uh
2020 called the hunt where that was one of the
premises you know again i'm not saying it's morally
right i'm not saying that right but if you got
someone that you know does inappropriate things
with with the young ones and the option is either
to have them on a firing squad or To have that
generate some money, some revenue, and a TV show.
I mean, fuck, if people watch naked and are afraid,
they'd watch this shit. I'm just saying. Like,
you know, come on. Oh, 100%. Come on. Like, you
know. If the fucking housewives of whatever end
up getting millions of views, there's no reason
why this wouldn't. Right. I'm just saying. Right.
Because, I mean, that would at least be something
entertaining. just my two cents yeah you know
you know what though i i wonder if this would
have the it would have both good and a bad thing
because like don't get me wrong i i would worry
about people becoming more violent seeing that
stuff happen but at the same point our media
is already really bad anyway in terms of what
you can see so like what it i don't know here's
the thing the internet exists you know i would
just hate to see it glorified i feel like that's
my thing I wouldn't want that to be accessible
to kids and stuff like that. Oh, no. No, no,
no. Some kind of a strict, you have to put in
your ID to view it. Ah, you know what you have
to do? Here's the easy way to do it. When you
do your taxes, you get a certain PIN code. The
only people that file taxes get to watch it.
We've talked about this. I still think that's
the best system ever. Maybe I'm crazy, but that
would solve a lot of issues. Yeah, when you file
your taxes, you get your pin code, and that way
you are allowed to watch these kind of things.
Well, you know, we have the technology today.
I mean, right there is your pin code. Yeah. Your
fingerprint. So. That would be great. But yeah.
So I don't know that we solved anything here
tonight, but I think a lot of things just weren't
being talked about. I think we solved a few things.
I think we solved that you have some bloodlust.
No. It's okay. I think we all do. I'll be honest.
I don't think I'd actually have the stomach to
do it. I'll be honest. If it was somebody that
hurt like kids, I think I could do it. No problem.
I've never been in the situation. Call me biased
because I have kids, but you know. I don't know.
I say I would, but I think I know myself well
enough. I think I'd have a very hard time. I
would need you over my shoulder just to do it.
Do it. But yeah, if you're still listening, we
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