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Hello and welcome back to Now We Consume.
I'm your host, Gibbs.
Along with me is my co-host.
I'm Pip.
Oh yeah.
And welcome back everyone. Great to see everyone again.
So on today's episode...
You can see them?
I like to think so. Yeah.
What are you taking? I want some.
They're in the camp. It's expensive, alright?
It's expensive. I had to meet a weird man in the alley and for some reason my butthole hurts.
I don't know. A lot happened.
Show me on the doll where the bad man touched you.
Can I just dip the whole doll in the ink then? Is that an option?
Where did he touch you? Yes, officer. Yes.
Anyways, today's episode is titled, Apes, Aliens, or Adam?
Where did humans really come from?
Now, this is just going to be an open discussion about the topic.
Obviously, we will never really know that that's kind of the fun part about this.
But we both have our opinions on this subject and we're going to have some agreements, some disagreements,
and we definitely want to hear people in the comments agreeing or disagreeing.
Because we're not going to be blunt about...
We're going to be very blunt about some of this. We're not going to sugarcoat certain things.
I'm pretty excited for this one because it's something that we've talked about on numerous occasions.
This is not a new subject for the two of us.
Oh, no. Not even a little bit.
Not even a little.
Definitely...
It's definitely going to be one of the topics that I think humans are going to be discussing forever.
And that's half the fun of it.
But we did do some research.
We did learn. And honestly, I think the more that we push our beloved AI overlords...
No.
I'll praise B to Willow.
I think the more that we use the tools that become available at our disposal and we dig,
the more we find out, learn, and understand ways to further push the envelope.
I feel like the more we learn, the more that we know is the more that we don't know.
We understand just how much we don't understand about the universe around us.
Absolutely.
And about our existence.
So if you think you know the answer, guess what? You're wrong.
And that's the fun of it.
Or if you think you know the answer, then the only thing you know for sure is your own answer.
Yeah.
But odds are it's wrong.
I bet you none of us are going to be right.
Probably not.
I think personally it's safe to say that one of the three is correct.
No, I have option four.
Well, okay, yes, that's true.
Because it's not in the title.
I'm saving that one for later. I'm giving a little sneak peek.
I believe there's a fourth option here.
Fourth hole.
That one you have to get consent for.
If it could fit the fourth hole, I'm sorry, little one.
I'm sorry.
If you don't know what we're talking about, I'm sorry.
Just Google it.
And you don't want to do waffles.
No, don't you dare. No, no, no, do not do that.
Hey, Alexa, Google blue waffles.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
No, no.
Oh, I wanted to do that.
No.
No, we cannot afford to pay people's therapy.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
You have the funds for that.
Absolutely not.
Oh, Jesus. Oh, I'm on it tonight.
Oh, yeah. All right.
So Arthur C.
Clark once said any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
And that still holds true today, as we have seen with the drones.
Were they really drones? Were they aliens?
Were they government aircraft?
We still don't know. We haven't heard jack shit.
Well, there's there's actually a a really great
episode of Next Generation that talks about this
where they get in contact with an older civilization that's equivalent to like
in Europe being like the 13th century and
Picard and the Enterprise are able to revive someone from the dead and all these people think oh my god, they're
magicians that they they can do these wonderful things and he's like, no, we just understand science and technology and they never really
They didn't die. They were just close to it
and that whole episode talks about exactly this topic where
the closer you get to understanding the universe at a very fun not a
Fundamental level but a very scientific very detailed level and being able to manipulate and change it
The crazier weirder it gets. Mm-hmm. You know, especially when you look at things like
In quantum physics and stuff like that. Yeah superposition principle and all that. Yeah
Because that one I still that one still confuzzles me to this day, yeah
So the the three things that we want to really touch on in this episode tonight
the theory of evolution
Which is a hotly debated topic
the theory I
Know we never talk about
touchy feely subjects
The theory that we're talking about is
the theory that it's possible that ancient advanced beings came to earth and
either posed as or were worshiped as gods and
intermingled with
ancient
Hamun and hominin hominin life
Neanderthal and and and the ilk
Or
True creation
Is there a higher power in the universe
You know
Did we come from something from something divine some sort of creation?
you know is
Do we do we come from
What's that on the big bang theory base? We do we come from that center point in the universe or not?
Yeah, there's so many questions there and
I feel like even the big bang theory itself is is both
scientific and
creationist a bit
Oh, yeah, it's it still ties into evolution to an extent
but
Yeah, the problem with that one is always it's not that the universe is expanding. It's that how did it start?
Mm-hmm. That's always the problem what before the bang?
Is is the big question
So she a nice dinner, yeah, you know some alcohol and some food, you know
but
But no say that that's always the uh, that's the wonder because we can't we can objectively observe
That the universe is expanding the problem is with the speed of light. We can only observe it to a certain point correct
And the further out you observe the further back in time you look
So it's the weird phenomena where you hit this bubble where?
You can't see past it because the light hasn't gotten here yet
right
And unfortunately, it's not the light that's getting there
And unfortunately
With the span of our lifetimes, it's not going to change
Unfortunately, which to circle back to a previous episode is one reason why I want to stick around for longer than our lifetime
I mean, okay. Okay fair enough
But do you know how long it's gonna take even if
We develop like warp travel or faster than the speed of light
Mm-hmm, even to get to another galaxy
Another galaxy
Is going to take thousands and thousands of years, let alone
Going several thousand galaxies away
It's it's unfortunate it's never well, I think
In figure out how to fold space yet intra galaxy travel
Would be doable with like the standard theoretical warp drives
Um, we're gonna go off topic for a second, but extra
ultra galactic travel you would have to have some sort of
Really advanced space folding wormhole travel type deal
Because yeah, the distances are mind-numbingly huge
That's
You you need some kind of life extension technology to even begin to to approach that boundary. Oh, yeah
I know
It's an insane engineering feat to be able to get let alone from one planet to another not not to mention outside of the galaxy
So not to mention how
Absolutely massive the universe is like it it's incredible and it's crazy to consider that less than zero point zero zero zero zero zero zero
One percent of the universe is actually occupied by anything
The 99.9999 percent is just all empty space
like my head
Like my head on edibles, oh, yes
All right, so uh every
Ancient civilization that has ever existed on earth has some sort of creation myth
Um, they all also have some sort of a flood story that goes along with their creation myths
Yeah
Many also share some similarities in
Those myths many of them describe
Beings that came from the heavens
From the heavens, uh when loosely translated on chariots of fire
Yeah, so a lot of people take this to be
Beings from the heavens came down to the earth
We have depictions of
These gods that were among the people
being many
Several feet taller than the humans that were around at that time
The anunnaki were one of those supposed people
We have
very very minute
possible proof
of the anunnaki
We have a body
that is supposed to be
A descendant of a half anunnaki half human hybrid
It's a queen
Down in I want to say Peru
Um
That dna
Is only confirmed to have been half human. They don't know what the rest is
Somebody got busy, right?
Um who the hell travels to another planet says yeah, I want to meet with that I would
What?
Dude it's the kirk phenomenon you go out into this to the galaxy. What's the one thing you want to do clap cheeks?
You clap alien cheeks
Space glad over here. Jesus christ
Mr. Klagmeyer ggdgdg
I don't know that would be wild. Yeah, um
But aside from from the the one queen there are
bodies with elongated skulls and these have
Been the point of contention for a long time in the
Archaeological community some people say it was head wrapping some people say that these were different
types of humans different subspecies or whatever
Their dna is
In Peru
Matched only dna from people who came from the middle east
And they were from a time period where the global travel that we understand
Did not and could not have existed
So how that was after pangea is the point you're making is oh, yeah well after that. I mean, this is these are human
You know homo sapiens homo erectus
That were in peru
You know inca aztec the no before those
How did the dna of people from the middle east get to the west coast of south america
The question would then become was it after?
The bearing straight was unpassable
That's the question because I know from Alaska to russia
Right that bearing straight for a long time was passed, but that's why we have the native americans, correct?
Never that was in north america
But if you're talking about people that were in peru thousands of years before then
When the bearing street was passable sure, but also I don't know if humans would have been able to even
Travel through parts of like russia and siberia
That that's extremely hard to get through if you don't have the proper tools clothing everything else
Yeah, sure they could have but man that's tough
Yeah
You know it's
It's one of those crazy things
Go ahead good. No, just just one of those crazy things when you look at
The ancestries going back for different areas
How people they did travel quite far which is kind of crazy you would think like oh if i'm going to leave a village
And just keep and go for a little bit if you're walking you think maybe 50 miles 100 miles
Maybe a couple hundred miles
But some of these people just kept freaking walking. Yeah, it's like forrest gump is always the forest gump. Yeah
Yeah
I don't know
Maybe the tism was stronger back then
Yeah, no meds
Um the sumerian culture which was the first real culture
Uh, even the the greek culture for everything that it was owes a lot of their
greatness to
the sumerians
They wrote of a lot of different things
I mean they were the first to actually develop writing
And some people don't know that we aren't really taught a lot about the ancient sumerians in well modern school
Well, it's funny in least in my experience when it came to history like world history
You did you would do a chapter or two about the mesopotamians the sumerians?
And that kind of culture because it really really established hemi robbie's code of law
Um how writing was actually done back then with hieroglyphics and cuneiform?
Um also established trade barter
Um civilization irrigation was a big thing uh farming in terms of making plows
In basic metal tools, um you're talking
Just before the bronze age kind of thing. So there was a lot that we have to owe to them
But they they started what we know as civilization before then it was all nomadic tribes. Yeah, there was nothing written down. Nothing passed on
It was just word of mouth and languages were evolving. So I mean sumer was the first town
Like the first real city
Yes
But but they depicted many things religiously that really set the stone for really set the standard for a lot of other religions
Oh, yeah, um that you spoke about earlier
But definitely set in stone the big things if you look at hemi robbie's code
That pulls oh, sorry a lot of other religions pull from there particularly you're looking at the ten commandments
Particularly looking at things different things from hindu from hinduism
um
Zoroastrianism
Um even later on if you look at how the greeks and the romans had it even though they had kind of like a little bit of a
Different kind of religious thing going on what talks about the different planets having different gods and kind of it was a little bit more
uh
Also a little more like theater in a way with their religion how they're kind of many different characters
It's have like it like one singular ghost kind of more of like a polytheistic thing, but they all pull
from
the sumerian culture
Extremely heavily with the same stories. Yeah, which is interesting because most of any major religions across the world they all
All share that particularly all share a very similar set of codes and ethics
As well as you know ideas like marriage
Which was always kind of funny
Because if you're a nomadic tribe
I don't think marriage is really something that like comes about naturally
Right, you know call me wrong on that one, but
Yeah
Yeah, no nomadic tribes. You normally want survival versus
Just happiness of one or two
Yeah, because the idea of marriage usually means like you're in a static area
I have a static kind of place around you you have a land that you own an area that you own a
Consistent or semi-consistent, you know community around you
Right, and so that's what it established not too much of bartering
Oh, yeah, or like like a trade system a monetary system. You know, there's a lot that was established
And then every single other religion basically talks about after that point. Yeah
So we have all the ancient Sumerian information
We have the possibility of the evolution of man as a slave labor force
for
these
possible
Extraterrestrial beings that came down jump
That's a jump hold on wait, that's a big jump, right? Wait a minute. Wait a hold on hold time time out
So you you you're saying that there's there's a
a way
That humans were raised for slave labor. Yes
I
Mean it's not impossible, but we're a rowdy bunch
I don't feel like we're really that
Rowdy bunch. I don't feel like we're really that good for slave labor. No, nothing and i'll i'll kind of go into that a little bit later
But it's just one of the possibilities and that one that one is under the
We are here because of the alien involvement extraterrestrial involvement
There's a very big series
Most of which has been debunked unfortunately
But it does lend some thinking
There there were some things that were shown to be actually true and that's some of the stuff i'll touch on later
That just says okay, there's some things that we don't understand and don't know yet
so the possibility of
Man being used as a slave labor force still exists and that's where we evolve some of our traits
Um
Global similarities in cultures, which you touched on as many cultures across the world have the same kind of base level
foundations and fundamentals
How do all those cultures who supposedly never had contact?
have the same
base understandings
things like the pyramids
I mean what's interesting is a lot of the pyramids are
Pre-date writing right which is one of the weird things where you look at these pyramids around the world that were built
But if there wasn't writing unless they all walked like they all talked to each other and then walked and separated
And took years to get to these places sometimes even decades
Of walking and yet they somehow built similar pyramids in different structures right and in some cases some of those were five or ten
Thousand years apart. Uh-huh
And yet they somehow are very similarly done and constructed
That does look really fishy right so on that there's the possibility and i'll only touch on this very little bit
The lost continent of mu or mu
In the pacific ocean
Stretched across a large portion of it
It went from the eastern islands to the philippines or almost to the philippines and it covered a very huge portion
and that could explain
a lot of
the missing gaps in language technology travel and footpath or foot traffic from
western asia to
Or eastern asia to western south america
There's not a lot of
study that's gone into this because it the
background for the foundation of the missing continent is still kind of foggy
Madame blvotsky
An infamous psychic was the person who said that she saw the island or the the continent
But after she started talking about it people went out looking a little bit and they found
a lot of connections to it
More than enough to say okay. She may not have been entirely wrong
and they did find
New zealandia or something like that off the coast of australia what it's a whole new continent
They've they've said yes, this is a thing
It it takes up like new zealand up to uh almost the philippines
Um, it is an underwater continent now and it's it's there. It's it's being officially recognized
Um, so that's one underwater continent that we now have been able to say yes, this is there
so if there's one
There's reason to say there could be another
I'm surprised it took us that long to find that out. Yeah
Um, but as far as eastern island goes, I told you this last night
uh
Most people are not going to be able to find that out
Uh, most people are familiar with the eastern island heads
Yes, um, those heads are not just heads
There are full bodies on those heads and they're just buried underground
So
What's more logical?
that people
Were just living on an island in the middle of nowhere decided. Hey, let's just carve some heads and then leave them there
Or that these islands were part of a communal chain of land
and they had these big statues that they worshiped or used for whatever purpose and
Were buried under some kind of a catastrophic land movement
possibly associated with the
Younger dryus event that had a lot of land movement associated with it
Yeah
No, especially considering we know that pangea happened to where at one point
Well, you're talking about millions of years ago. I know but hear me out. But hear me out though
Because I I I will say we look we've looked a lot of evidence of a lot of these buildings being built
Even far before like cro-magnon
Even before we were in andrethal even for some of them they get aged so far back
It is very possible that
Things have moved around differently than what we expect
And that the ocean levels have changed a lot
Between also different ice ages and different heating periods and cooling periods of the earth
It's very possible
There's been many times where different land masses are more and less exposed
And changed around and where they are
It doesn't mean things aren't where that does not mean things are where they were
Right, you know 10 000 20 000 even 30 000 years ago
Well, when you say about 10 000, i'll i'll say let's let's say possibly 11 to 13 000 years ago
Okay, I will bring up the younger dryus event or the period
because that
time frame
Was probably the last major
planetary shift of
shift of
um
What we'll call it defacing of the planet
Okay
That's the one where if you believe in the story of atlantis
That's probably what wiped out atlantis
And if you know where to look for atlantis the the eye of africa
According to the story of playdo
fits
Like 95 fits
Um, and if you look at the satellite map of it
You can see where what would have been?
a massive
Body of water would have run through that desert and out to the ocean
The physical evidence is there
Have they just like not looked for anything then I mean it's in jordan and it's not the best region right now
Um there there have there have been some ground stuff or ground people on the ground that went and
Looked for for things and they have found enough
uh
Artifacts we'll call it
enough possible proof to say yeah, it's worth looking into
But it's jordan. It's not the best place in the world. Yeah, it's political. Yeah political turmoil
I was getting getting in the way of archaeology every time. Oh, yeah
So but all of that was said to just say that that goes back to
The the evolution of man
Is a part of the scale of the earth that we are missing a chunk of history of
There's a large piece of the pie that somebody else ate and we don't know who
Well not only that but the the amount of human existence that has been documented
Is so infinitesimally small compared to the part that has not been documented. Oh, yeah
That we will always be finding
Archaeological archaeological digs and records and other things
Um wasn't even recently started make progress on the on the um
the dead sea scrolls
Yeah, another stuff like that like we're finally starting to understand. Thank and to be fair once ai gets its grubby little hands on it
I think things are gonna change
But yeah
It's gonna be incredible once we give ai technology the ability to look at satellites and look at things
And start to uncover
Exactly, you know the patterns and everything that that could have been previous civilizations
But there's definitely a lot more in the past in terms of civilizations and cultures that
There's a lot of eerie similarities and a lot of things that we're unfortunately not aware of
That I feel like there's a lot more out there than we know
The
Last thing that I will really touch on
for
there being potential evidence
of
Humans having been engineered
Neanderthal and homo sapien dna have been found to be identical
With the exception of a single amino acid
And as far as our current science can explain
There is no natural process that can alter
that amino acid
other than gene editing
It couldn't just be a uh
There is no known
mutational
capacity
To alter this amino acid
It can only be done with a crisper type process
Only be done with a crisper type process
So what you're saying is we're experiments potentially
Okay
So if you need a strong slave labor force that's smart enough to do a job but not too smart enough to make
The the ships fly off into outer space
Well, there you go
also
We have a lot of health issues
On this planet what that we should not have
We are the only species on this planet that suffers sunburn
With no natural resistance to it pigs will burn. Yes, but they cover themselves in mud
Fish have scales
Apes have hair
Um birds have feathers where is our natural immunity from the sun?
We grow up we get old we have all kinds of back and joint problems
We may not have evolved in this gravity
Well to be fair, we're also living way longer than what we're designed for
For thousands and thousands of years. You didn't live past the age like 25
You know you live to be 13 14 15 you hit puberty you have kids
You live another 10 years, then you die
Well, that was a cycle for a long time died in war you got eaten by a mountain lion
Oh, yeah, bob kitty
You get your first cramp at the ripe age of 26 and you go down by that lion. That's it. That's it
That enough it it's
It kind of sucks that we're kind of designed to where we kind of fall apart past the age of 30 40
But throughout the course of humanity
That was very common to not make it past 30 40
Yeah, even in civilizations. I mean how a lot of the Romans they didn't make it past 60
Which doesn't be wrong is pretty good for the Romans. Don't get me wrong
You're talking nobility at that point average peak commoners. Oh, yeah dying in their 40s and 50s all the time
I'm really not a lot changed until like the 18th century
No medicines and
health
care understanding and hygiene and
all that until that point is
Basically, oh, yeah, you have something wrong with you. Yeah, do do drugs about it. That's about it
It's either that or here's here's this random freaking insect that's going to peel off a bead of your skin
And there you go
Or what was the one that they use? Um not leech you got you got some demons in your blood. You should do some cocaine about it
Yeah, exactly
Have you tried rubbing this garlic on your nipple like it just
It's it's some of the weirdest things
So, I don't know we've gotten lucky at least with modern medicine it's gotten so much better, yeah
But that that's one of the reasons why human civilization for a long time struggled to get anywhere
Because people don't live that long
You had a lot to do in a short amount of time
Yeah, and it's hard to pass down information when all those people die in their 30s
Yeah
you know which kind of goes back to the
It's a good segue to go into the um
The the religious aspect
Um
A lot of the people that were writing the text for the various
Holy books
You know they they were passing on knowledge that was passed down to them that was passed down to them that was passed down to them
I mean, it's been the world's longest game of telephone ever
basically, there's bound to have been misinterpretations and
Probably some personal flair added in here and there
so
without original texts to pull from
And yes, there's some that are said. Oh, this is this is the book that was written by such and such
Well, do we know that for sure?
No, it's like the Vatican
Oh my goal in life would be to raid the Vatican vault and dump everything onto the open market. Oh, I want it so bad
Well, that's that's unfortunately the issue with humanity to where you are correct with the world's longest game of telephone
And especially with so many legitimate
Legitimize copies of different religions depending on how you want to look at it
To where there is no really set standard and I know people that are religious are gonna hate me for saying that but
It's cool that you think your version of religion is the adopted like set like like the the best one cool
That's great, but there is no objective set. Hey, this is the right one. This is the right way
This is the right thinking like look at all the different types of Catholicism
Of Christianity in general there's all these different denominations different things all they say. Oh, yeah, I have the right blank
For this thing not to mention
Any other religion i'm just pulling from stuff that I know
It's insane to try to figure out which one exactly has it right
But what's interesting is almost all of them pull from the same basic storyline
Mm-hmm, all of them pull from the storylines that came out of the middle east
Yeah, they all they almost all pull from some sort of judaeo-christian value and then change it from there
Yeah, and most of those are even based on older religions
Beliefs and rituals and everything
Well, that's the thing. They're all they are all subdivisions of a similar type of belief system
uh-huh, you know, um and and one thing about the
The entirety of of the religious
Consortium I like that word
Every religion has a flood myth
And it's almost identical
With a few tweaks here and there, you know names locations
Those kind of things are a little different
But the majority of the flood myth is the same
Mm-hmm
And it's more or less
descended of
the epic of Gilgamesh
Yes
Which is more or less taken from again sumerian text
Mm-hmm, so there again. We're we're taken back to
sumerian ties
Which may or may not be entirely
divine in in origin
They they may or may not be
purely
evolutionary
But I think a lot of it ties back into the ancient sumerians
Oh, yeah, well you know
It's oh, yeah, well you have to consider if sumerians ancient smarians with the first
Civilization the first center for hub culture a hub of culture and trade
What that would mean is anything that's written down past them
Would have gotten their information from them. They became the baseline
Exactly, they said they became the true baseline. Really they set the standard right for civilization
And so everything is going to derive from them
So it's only natural to see it that way
right
One thing I I also want to point out um
basically every
religious um
sculptor painter
Artist more or less has always put little
Uh things in their works here and there the big ones is what i'm getting at. Uh, there are paintings
You'll see little things, okay, well, I mean sometimes little some men are bigger, you know, they vary
Uh, some paintings have these things in the background in the sky
They're flying
And they have people in them
in india there are a lot of sculptures that have
These would look to be
ships with people in them
Uh, they're they're called the
I'm gonna butcher the hell out of this
Vimanika
The mononis that yeah, i'm not gonna try it's indian
They look to be spaceships
There are
older
sculptures
of people
standing next to humans
They're taller they're built differently
They have what appears to be technology on their bodies
And these were events that were significant enough to be carved into stone
I feel like just like with gobekli tepe
They carved significant events into stone
And that was a practice that I feel was always passed around the world
Big events get carvings
Why would they just put
random shit
On these stone carvings. So let me let me let me counteract this point sure
by saying
Humans didn't understand how various drugs worked
For a long time
I'll give you that and humans have there's a chance
There's a chance that we got trolled across time. So hear me out on this one
Humans have gone out of their way to get stoned as hell
Humans have made trips across continents to get high
And I will tell you this
Drugs and ass why do you think in the ancient and be fair this is from the bible they're talking about the burning of the bush
The burning of all these things and seeing these angels and these demons and other things coming out from the burning of the
There are many cases where you're talking about fire and burning of different incense different plants different things
How many of these people do you think were stoned off their gourd?
in large groups
Talking talking and discussing this stuff and considering you're coming from a time
Where if you did not follow what everyone else was doing
You might not be a part of what everyone else is doing. You might not be invited. You might not be allowed
You have no routes to go also space, especially like ancient Sumerian culture
What if you no longer have somewhere to live no longer people to talk to?
I wonder if there's a lot of pressure as well to say. Oh, yeah, I see the giant flying thing. Oh, I see this or that
That's always been my curiosity is you you take the drugs. You see what we're saying that you see
Or else you end up somewhere. You don't want to be so that is what's pushed
Gibbs you just opened up my mind my mind brain
See this is I wanted to have the beginning of this so I can then start throwing in the weird shit
No, so the way you were talking, um
Open fires were a big thing back in those times. Well, yeah big big open fire pits
Do you remember not all that long ago?
There was a news reporter who was standing next to a huge pile of drugs that were getting burned
And he was stoned in the middle of his news report. Yeah, and he was just giggling like a schoolgirl
What's the possibility
That that was how the people in charge controlled the people
They just dumped like massive amounts of hash each
into the public square to be burned
And they just got everybody like a little high
Let me bake your noodle on this one. Why do you think religious ceremonies were held?
And why do you think religious ceremonies were held in small enclosed spaces with burning things are all around?
They were the original hot boxes they were the original stoners man
Yeah, man
This is big man the sky that controls everything and he comes down like this demon
And he sees you when you're sleeping and knows when you're yet. No it i'd like and again i'm not
Shitting on anybody that's religious because like that's cool. That's your thing
Um again, I come from a religious family. So like I get that but my point is i'm not talking about what it is now
You can't deny the facts
Yeah of how much religion was used to control people back in the day
It always has been and still is
Yeah
And I guess that's the way that I look through
From my understanding of history as somebody that studied history a lot and got a degree in it
Man it just comes across to me like the things that were discussed and done and how they did it
You have people that are really really fucking stoned
That are really high off their ass
And potentially if what if people never been exposed to it until they get into the building and remember
This is something else people need to consider
Humans back then weren't necessarily very clean most cities stunk
They reeked oh yeah you you used to be able to smell france from like 100 miles away or something
You could spell paris from like 20 30 miles south of it it was nuts
So consider and that was with plumbing at some plumbing basic plumbing other things
You're talking about these ancient civilizations before they understood
You know anything
What if it's the case that
um, what if it's the case of they don't even understand
What is going on other than?
That religious leader that tells people to go grab these plants they burn them and they all start seeing things
And they share it as a group experience because I will say
When you look at certain drugs like ashwagandha and a few other things that and uh, what's the other one the native americans take?
um a few other ones people have reported shared experiences on those drugs
in groups
So imagine if you will a little bit of fire a whole lot of whatever a concoction of anything
And then possibly people forget cocaine has been a drug that's been grown in the middle east for a long time
Well poppies too poppies. Yeah, so heroin
I don't know much about drugs, but I do know what some things so the point i'm getting at is
People have been high off their ass for a long time
Drugs are bad, okay
So I guess that's the way I view it where no wonder why humans
Would naturally go down that route because one religion a lot of ways can be quite comforting to people to understand like there's a purpose there's a reason
There's a reason why people are not going to go down that route
You know it explains this theory and it's an all nice neat little package and it's cool and it keeps people under control
I get it
I'm not saying it's necessarily a bad thing
but
You can't deny you can't sit there and tell me that the original religious people particularly the religious leaders weren't stoners
They absolutely were
So I don't make so much more sense now, yeah
That was one of the big points. I was waiting for us to set up so I could make it. That's why I was quiet
I love this podcast. Yes
So if we're talking about now, I think
When you're also talking about the stoner stuff now, I want to I want to pivot to
If you're talking about the stoner stuff
I want to I want to pivot to if you're talking about aliens
Uh-huh now
If you see all these people that are high on drugs doing everything as an organized group
What if it's a mixture of both?
This is I think the most plausible theory
Is the idea that those same people that are having religious functions religious things doing these things see these shared experiences?
and possibly
Remember back then humans were a lot shorter on average a lot shorter statute
Their nutrition wasn't nearly as good
What if you had some people that were very much outside the norm?
Maybe you had people that went up north for a few thousand years and came back down south
And they're like what the hell it's like the ancient vikings meeting the ancient romans
Where the romans on average like five foot four or five foot five or is the viking some of them were over six feet
Which to them that looks like a giant like that. That is insane. They've never seen something like that a guy that's over 160 pounds
What what is he a fucking mountain?
like no
I mind you if we went back then they'd be running out of the streets. They'd be like, oh my god
but
You know Godzilla
My buddy that's like six foot seven or our our mutual friend. That's like seven foot tall. Yeah. Oh my god
Yeah, they would they would it would be insane
So he's he's not a small boy for
Height or width wise and no seeing him coming down the streets. I mean, oh my god
What's the armor on him we have to get permission to tell the toilet story
Oh one of these days and
I will leave that for the for the viewers to put peace together. We'll bring that up another time
But I guess my original point coming back to is
Seeing aliens and seeing other things is something that we know when people take drugs
That's a very common thing things that cannot be explained
Some people have good trips bad trips mind you mushrooms were also around during that time and a few other different things
So my question is when you mix all these things because you don't know what the hell they're doing
Not to mention alcohol has always been around
It would not surprise me. Oh it hates it pains me to say this
You might be right
I'm just saying I don't like it. I don't like the way this feels in my mouth
I don't like the taste of it. I put nothing in your mouth. I
Put nothing in your mouth. I
You have put this in my mouth. I don't like the way it feels. No, no, no
I I don't like this either take it out of your mouth. I did not consent to this
But that that is the long-held belief that I've had for some of the stuff and I could be totally wrong
But I feel like it's the most logical answer now to be fair
the flip side of it is they could have seen some crazy shit a
Couple of times and they could be absolutely 100% telling the truth
But I'm willing to bet
That 90% of the time
They were just on drugs may have been drugs involved
You know may have been drugs and also consider the amount of humans that like suffered from things like infections and fever
That would also cause get delusional during fever and stuff like that, especially with absolutely no medical knowledge
That might have a very common back then not to mention with other ailments that happen with severe alcoholism food poisoning
Malnutrition all of these things combined especially a match you have somebody that's severe malnutrition that has an infection
That's on six different drugs or something like that. That's also drunk. They
They will just be a pile of mush
reporting seeing anything so
You know like the only thing that I can offer as a counter to that. Yeah is
is some of these people ended up
Writing down things that were many thousands of years later proven to be accurate. Oh, yeah, you know start with star charts
uh
Arc your uh
Building things god boards are leaving me
Uh, but what's what's the term where you build shit and it's it's like what dynamically correct?
so architecture, that's the word
architecturally accurate things
And and and it was like spot the hell on like the way the pyramids were
Uh, so the three pyramids align with the ryan's belt
The great pair magiza that is perfect north south east and west with a compass when they didn't understand polarity to understand the compass
And the one that you told me
which
Still gets me
That I cannot for the life of me i've tried debunking this
Mm-hmm, and I cannot debunk it for the life of me that the pyramid of giza on the longitudinal coordinates
Is exactly the same number?
As in the speed of light in meters and the longitude latitude is used in meters
So here here's what my thing is people say oh, we'll just match it up because it's in meters
It's like if you measure it in inches, it's going to be the same thing
It is somehow with the way we have described as the earth
Longitude and latitude if you use meters if you use inches you could use it doesn't matter
It lines up to the exact point to be like what 10 or 12 places
to the speed of light
How
You you could you could do
There's no way that there's somehow there is some way that either there was one architect
that either there was one architect Egyptian architect
Or architect that is the luckiest human to ever exist
by a factor of 10 000 or or
Somebody knew what they were doing
Mm-hmm
And I will say with a lot of egyptian art and stuff like that it is very possible
That there were you know ancient aliens that have visited that did interact
Um, the only reason why I counteract that is I wouldn't think it would be something that happened all the time
Because then I feel like we have more concrete information exactly
But it is very possible there were several times where they came down and then people mind you people that were freaking terrified
Kept seeing them on drugs and alcohol
Because not gonna lie if I saw like a 13 foot tall anubis or like a dog looking head holding a big spear
I keep thinking of um stargate
like yes
Yeah
Yes
I was shit myself
Thinking on on that same line, uh the nazca lines
Those are something that still to this day cannot be explained
Yeah, there is nothing that we have that says this is why these were done
And one of them looks like a freaking runway and a long one
Uh-huh
Like why
And how
And it's like it's precise
All the nazca lines are very precise and like you you need aerial
Mm-hmm
Information to get things at that level of precision
Yeah
So
I don't know
It is one of those things where while in the past humans could be precise because
They would have entire teams of humans doing things that nowadays we have just like a handful of people
However, something like that to that level
Mmm, I I would say most likely not I'd say that that looks a little too
I mean, i'm i'm not
Against the opinion that an older civilization may have existed
You know hundreds of thousands of years ago
That was advanced to a point
And to a point but you know, you never know what wiped them out if they exist, right?
I mean they could have gotten as far as we did in the 1800s
who knows
You know, I mean something like that if they got as
Uh the the younger dryus could have taken out pretty much all the evidence
And survivors could have just restarted
And it's also you you never really know how many of them there could have been it could have been a small number
you know, it could have been the case of
Maybe they were diseased or infections or something like that happens because for humans we for all of our faults
We have a very robust immune system
Even compared to most other animals. So it's very possible that if there was another species or something else here
They may not have been as robust in the way that they should have been
Yeah
You know
We've been lucky with the fact that we have spent so much time on this planet and the human body is pretty well defined to survive
as long as we
Meet our basic needs of your food water shelter
stupid china virus
Whereas there are possibly if there was other species or other, you know aliens here
It's very possible that their needs exceeded
That you know, maybe there they were different needs
I always feel like hg wells did a really good observation of this with war of the worlds
Where you might you might run into a techno a civilization technologically that is so far advanced
That it makes us look like snails
however
If you are not robust enough to deal with the climate and
The wildlife that is there and even the microbial life that is there
You will eventually suffer because in hg wells is war of the worlds. We did not beat the aliens through technology
In fact, they lost to mother nature
They got infected by biology and they died and that is how we won by just staying alive
Think of the beaches gross biology. Yeah
so it's one of those things where i'm not saying hg wells predicted the past but
It's one of those things where if maybe you were advanced enough to get to a certain point, but didn't understand farther
You could very much mistaken this planet say oh, yeah
This this looks how will this looks great drops and people off and then you never hear back from them all of a sudden
Oh, wow, the scouts we never heard back from but the humans the chrome magnons that were there
You know, you know the neanderthals and all that maybe maybe we did come from apes in a in a way
And we just kind of outlived the other people who knows it could be a mixture of both too. That's the other thing
that I wanted to bring up was
A lot of people say there's no way we came from apes
My response is well, maybe we didn't come directly from them, but maybe we did evolve from something in the middle
Where right, you know, i'm not saying apes were the starting point
But if we were already halfway to where we are now, maybe we just outlived the other things that were here
Yeah, that that were more advanced
There could have been a split because that's when when you're talking about the the ape evolution and we haven't really talked a whole lot about this
Uh the the big factor in that is well if we evolved from apes, why are there still apes?
well, genetic offshoots just one goes one way one goes the other
Well, so apes are pretty dominant in their environment
They are already well suited. It's the offshoots that go find another environment to dominate if you if you've studied ecology
You'd understand that if there's already a dominant species in that area the offshoot
Will go find somewhere else to be more efficient to thrive in
As the verbiage goes so for us as humans, we are so adaptable
That it is very possible that we had several different offshoots of different areas
And I mean not for nothing look what even with our own species, you know, we have a lot of different variants and offshoots
from each other
Yeah
So there's there's no reason why that couldn't happen. It's not like we have to be directly
It's not like one day an ape decided to grab your stone together make fire or something like that
It's not like it doesn't have to be this direct a to b to c to d
That's not always how things work
And who knows we could be the experiment
You know, we could be an happy accident we could have got here off, you know an asteroid or something or dropped off
Who knows maybe we could be
We could be the result of a alien just doing a drive-by and jerking off out the window
I hate that analogy
No, no, no, no, I I I refuse that one
Now can I make another point that I forgot to make about the
Now can I make another point that I forgot to make earlier? Sure
what if both
Religion the religious story and the alien story is true
That's a good one. What if that's adam and eve
Is true as a story, but they were dropped off as an experiment
Yeah
What if it's what was when you start going down that line you get into a whole bunch of other things like
Earth could have been a prison planet. Yeah
Which I kind of like that idea. We're just australia of the galaxy
Yeah, but I really feel like if we were a prison planet, they wouldn't have dropped us off with such a small number
Because like if you're advanced enough to where there's only like a handful of humans
You clearly don't have a hard time like offing them like clearly they could have dropped us off on the moon
But like all right have fun breathing fuckers like now like right clearly there would have been intent behind it to do something positive
or
Or and this is this is the other thing is I wonder if the reason why we see so much more ufo activity nowadays
Is because of how far we've advanced in such a short amount of time and how well we can document it maybe this entire time
We have been under watch
But now is it is accelerating because of how quick things are unfolding and maybe just maybe this wasn't planned to go this way
Because look at how quickly civilization has evolved in the last 60 years 80 years when it comes to
Particularly we beat silicone into thinking
When it comes to computers that has been the single biggest advancement and
I wouldn't I can't say single time biggest but yeah, it is one of the largest and it's revolutionized everything about our existence
And yeah, we we took 30 000 years to go from sticks and stones to landing on the moon
We've we've gone from landing on the moon to we are facing an ai apocalypse
in
60 70 years
You know what's crazy? We went from not having aircraft to landing to we went from just barely figuring out aircraft to landing on the moon in like 50 years
Right that is incredibly insane. We went from oh, yeah
We can just barely fly to we're gonna fly in another fucking plane
That doesn't have an atmosphere. Mm-hmm that that is insane
If I if I was an alien race that was charged with like all right time to check into
247 dash b and 9781 and you come back to earth after a hundred years and you're like the fuck
Yeah, I would be a little concerned too. I'd say wait a minute
This experiment is out of fucking control and you can't do anything
About it. Maybe we've reached that that crossing point where they're like, oh fuck
These guys can now travel I was supposed to eradicate them 200 years ago
Now there's bylaws that I can't get rid of them because they have international travel
Fuck like who knows maybe maybe maybe
we are
And again, I'm gonna be a little Star Trek nerd here. What if we are now at the point where
The galactic the precipice of joining the Galactic Federation
What if?
What if we're not the point?
It's like well crap they can travel off their planet now the rules apply
Now I have to wait for official diplomatic meetings. God damn it. I have all this paperwork to file blah blah blah. This sucks
Like it's possible
right
It I don't know. I like to think that way because I really love the idea of our existence inconveniences an alien
That that is my goal. I love the idea of be like god fucking damn it
I have to file this fucking paperwork and do all the stupid things
You know
Like now I have to sit here and describe about all the weird things humans do and one of these is and I quote
Licking whip whipped cream off of a nipple like I how am I supposed to explain this to my superiors?
I know these people are weird
Man if they have to describe my life. Oh, I feel sorry for that alien
You're you are gonna have to show aliens what a therapist is
In order to help fix them. That's the problem
Wait, wait, wait, you said he just yanks the beads like a lawnmower
No
You could snort cocaine off of where
So
Can I can I bring in my my my other theory here?
The fourth one. Let's have it fourth wall break
The fourth one is I believe there is a solid chance that all of these are wrong
The real reason is that and this is why I think that quantum physics has something to do with this
We are in a simulation. We're in the matrix. I know I brought it up in the past on a previous episode
But there is a reason why physics doesn't work when it's too small and it's too big
It's because we weren't supposed to get this far
Well, thank you
But on on a serious note it explains the fact that we really come from nothing
Explains the fact there's an artificial limit to what we can see what we can experience
It explains all of the weirdness all the weird
Quirks kind of to human existence all the things that we cannot explain cannot observe and more importantly
Why doesn't physics behave?
At a subatomic level
Why is it completely new rules? Because oh, yeah
If you've never really programmed for that
There's no way to know there's no way to know we'd get this far
So so what if we are the truly the ultimate experiment?
I like that, you know
I know it's an easy way out. Don't get me wrong. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie
I like that, you know, I know it's an easy way out. Don't get me wrong. I understand. It's a bit of a cop-out
Right, but so my my question is where is the greed diamond above my head?
Oh the sim to be a sims character
This explains why I go into rooms and forget what i'm doing all the time
Well, yeah, and and also when you can't go to sleep at night
It's because the sleep servers are full and you only finally go to sleep when the sleep servers
Just get a spot because somebody else woke up or woke up. Yeah, they need to update those servers
They need to like upgrade them because what the fuck
Yeah, there's eight wait a minute. This explains insomniacs
There are now eight billion people on the planet
I think I said this in another episode. Yeah
but yeah
Good job india and china
Hey, yeah
Boy, boy, the karma suture really kicked into overdrive, huh? They
They they read that book and said yes, please
Oh man, you almost made me tell my joke
Well, you can't
I won't tell it. Well, that's rude
You can't say oh I almost told that joke that's like saying I almost gave you a thousand dollars fuck off that's rude
I see how it is
The kama sutra joke. I almost told that was the one I told you that the other day. I already forgot it
It's the political one. Oh, okay. Yes. Yes. Yes. That's a good one
um
But anyways, so that that is my fourth theory
On that to where congratulations none of those mean anything
Um, you are in a simulation
And make that as you wish, you know, it doesn't change anything about your life. It's other than
the
Physics above and below you do are in
understandable by us
Because they do not work
right
And the only reason I say that is because if you look up quantum physics
You will understand it's weird. It gets very weird. It's the only type of physics where it changes if you observe it
Figure that one the hell out
Does this mean I have schrodinger's penis
Where it's both massive and normal at the same time, but it only changes into the state once it's observed by my date
I'm not identifying that with a response
I am not dignifying that
No, no, no
No, no, no, no, no
I feel like you're just admitting that you have small hands is all i'm hearing
Because you might think I do have small hands and that's probably why it's massive
Then everybody else has small hands well, I don't know how many other people you expect to touch your penis
I need more no, no, not not volunteering
I need volunteers. No, dude. I I
Will I will I will tell people the audience you do not volunteer for that job
Oh god now we're gonna get weird emails. Thank you for that one. Thank you for that. Hey, i'm okay with weird emails
Yeah, i'm okay with weird emails. There's gonna be some some lonely women in your area
You mean the pop-ups are true
Oh, man
Yeah, that's oh
Yeah, I guess that's um
I know it took us a little bit to wind up for this one to get us going
But I like the the longer setup and then we finally got to deliver on the uh, a few of the discussions there
did you have any any other like thoughts or things that we missed because
Well, we kind of covered unless whether it's true or not just try to be a good human um
At the end of the day the golden rule should always apply, you know
um
I am not a religious person
but
I still just try to be a decent human being
And whether i'm right or wrong
I feel that should just be good enough
Yeah, because the way things are
told and taught
I feel that no matter the way you live your life
If you're decent and good
by societal normal values
You should be okay. Yeah
Regardless of your differences regardless of everything else treat others the way you'd want to be treated
And you're fine
It's really it's really honestly one of the easiest concepts ever. It's just unfortunate that people over complicate the hell out of it
It's like, you know
Just have a little empathy and you'll be fine
Yeah, you know regardless of your personal beliefs because that's I guess that's one of my favorite things about life is having people
I agree and disagree with
And being able to challenge my preconceptions and to be able to listen to other people
And understand that at the end of the day most people are just preaching from their perspective and that's cool
And we're all going to agree on some stuff. We're going to disagree on some stuff and quite frankly
Sometimes i've opinions on things because I find it fun
It's not even because it's right or wrong. So it's like it amuses me
And that's fine
One thing that I would like to see more of
Uh, I I could give a shit if people agree or disagree
I wish people could disagree peacefully
Yeah, and civilly
I I would say one of the best things I ever learned was to
Play devil's advocate for the fun of it
To learn to argue for something even if i'm actually against it
Right just for the sake of arguing about it, but also to learn
And to definitely understand too, I I think this is a um, this is a core thing about people that need to understand
your
Values on a particular political ideology or any one particular thing do not define you and define you in whole as a person
I mean you can have a political or ideological or religious whatever opinion that somebody disagrees with it doesn't change your value as a person
It does not change how those people interact
How those people interact um or how they should value you how they should treat you
It's just a difference of opinion
And that's totally fine
Sorry that was that was a phone in the background
Ah, okay, I you could hear that clearly on that one. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Sorry
I was like do you have an ice cream man coming down your street? No, the aliens are beating me up scotty
So yeah, I I guess that's my two cents of you know
let people disagree and allow them to
Enjoy their life and enjoy what they value and just say cool
That's cool, man
Like I have a couple of friends that i'm really really close with that they're very religious and i'm like i'm not not religious
But i'm not religious like it's just not really my thing
I guess i'm more like the agnostic spectrum more like there could be a god, but I really
Don't have an opinion. Uh, but like a couple of my friends are super religious
They invite me all the time to go to church stuff and i'm like, I appreciate the invite
And like I know you people are nice, but like I just
I'd rather do all the stuff on my sunday and that's cool. And we all we all laugh about it every time and it's like it's cool
We get along but yeah, just uh, I guess the golden rule. Don't be a dick
Yeah, you know, and I I think we can end it on that
bit of
golden classical advice
Don't be dick
Do not collectively be a richard
Yes
otherwise
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