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Hey there and welcome back to Now We Consume.

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I am your host, Gibbs, and along with me is my co-host.

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I'm Pip.

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And today we have a very interesting topic to discuss with you all.

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But first we want to discuss last week's podcast.

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I want to say thank you everyone for reaching out.

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Thank you everyone for listening.

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We got a lot of great suggestions, a lot of really great feedback, and we are really looking

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forward to implementing those in the coming episodes.

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And also thank you for the suggestions for the different episodes we're going to do.

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We got quite a few of them and we're definitely throwing in the rotation and we will be getting

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That being said, shall we start off with today?

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So this is one that we've kind of gone back and forth on a little bit.

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It's something that if everything goes the way that it's going to go, it's going to affect

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the lives of everybody on earth.

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Elon Musk, otherwise known as Daddy Musk, is trying to put people on Mars.

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Whether or not that's going to happen, we don't know.

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But it's something that he's shooting for and if nothing, we know the man's persistent

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and is able to achieve goals in a timetable that honestly is kind of mind numbing.

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It's going to be very interesting to see if this is going to actually ever happen.

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I think you're more optimistic on the subject, whereas I'm a little bit more pessimistic

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on the subject.

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Right, because I've seen, you've seen it too, he said he was going to do the rockets in

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you know what, five, ten years.

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Would he do it in like 12?

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Yeah, which is so crazy.

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Yeah, and look how reliable they are.

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Somehow he has done it.

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But I think that there's so many factors involved with humanity moving a primary residence to

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another planet that I don't know.

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It's such a big undertaking.

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There's so many technical and economic challenges and even political challenges and everything

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else involved with it that we have a lot to discuss.

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So I guess the thing is you would know a little bit more than I would about this one, but

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what is his like actual vision here?

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What is he looking to do?

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Like what's the objective?

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What's the goal?

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Yeah, OK.

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So his plan is to put a million people on Mars over the course of 20 years.

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No freaking way.

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I think he's got his ship set up to take 100 people at a time.

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Now that's on me.

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I didn't do the math prior to this, but that's like 50 bajillion rocket launches or something.

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I don't know something like that.

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That's a lot of that's a lot of time just traveling back and forth, let alone that's

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the bigger project is going to be almost getting people there, let alone getting them set up

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and survive like a million people.

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You said what, 20 years?

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Yeah, over the course of 20 years.

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Is that according to him?

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Is that according to Tesla or like a news site or something?

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Yeah, no, that's that's that's him.

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That is his goal.

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I figured like, oh, yeah, 10,000 people in like 40 years.

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A million.

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But I think that's also him taking into account once people are there and established just

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reproduction and natural processes as well.

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OK, so to support a million people.

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Yeah, might be the better.

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OK, but even so, that's insane.

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I mean, we'd be lucky to get a thousand people there, I think.

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You think it's only going to be a thousand?

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And how many starships is he going to build?

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Well, how how how big are they?

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I'm assuming they're not like super expensive or anything.

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Then we're dead.

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Like there is no in between space.

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Space doesn't say, hold on, I'll kill you in a half hour.

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No, you just die.

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No one can hear you scream.

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Well, yeah, because the cybertrucks were dying in the cold of Canada,

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let alone the cold of space.

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The starship won't start because it's too cold.

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I love the fact that he's doing it.

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But holy crap.

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Are you going to have to sign some legal waivers and paperwork?

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Oh, to be able to take a trip to Mars.

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Because you know, this is another question.

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I know that's not as interesting to people.

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I just want to know the legality of what's going to happen

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when laws are put in place about space travel, even just leaving Earth, being like,

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right, you have to guarantee this or guarantee that.

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Or do you not? Do you sign waivers?

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Can you sue? Can you not? That's right.

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Well, like, did did you ever watch The Martian?

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Oh, one of my favorite movies of all time.

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Absolutely. So they actually brought up the point

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that it's all kind of like international waters.

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There really aren't any laws that govern, you know, a lot of those those places

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and spots and situations.

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So it's it's the Wild West of the Wild West.

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So I guess the question is with space travel, if you're not using something

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that's owned by a government agency or any sort of government, it's really just

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international water rules, basically.

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More or less. That's the way that I understand everything as I've read.

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So as I remember from The Martian, drinking and flying is legal.

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So you can get wasted in space on your way to Mars.

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Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's that's honestly all the alcoholics are just

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going to be signing the hell up. Like what you mean?

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I could take actually how long how long would the trip be from Earth?

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I know it depends on so they are in the orbit.

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Yeah, it depends on the orbit.

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But the best case scenario is a six month trip.

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So so all I'm hearing all the alcoholics are hearing.

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So wait a minute, I could take a six month cruise and I can be drunk

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the entire friggin time that I bet you that's what I'm hearing.

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A six month bender. God.

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Arrive on Mars.

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I don't know where we're going, but it's sure red.

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I like you. I don't but.

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You turn around and the other alternative is the moon.

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The moon. It's a three day trip to the moon by normal, conventional means

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that may be more attainable.

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It's definitely going to be a lot easier to make that happen.

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we can make that a much cheaper alternative to launch from to Mars

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and anywhere else in the solar system.

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So the question becomes, do we

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build that up and then work on the moon first makes way more sense

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because if there is a problem, we can at least get there.

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Whereas right, logically speaking, that makes way more sense.

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Because I just we've we've both seen the Martians, so we know.

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It is a movie, but it is pretty realistic in terms of some of the issues.

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And I could not imagine people moving to another planet,

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having to basically plant their waste matter to grow potatoes.

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Being very fun.

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Oh, the the infamous poo potatoes. Oh, yes.

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You know, but no, no, it seems like to me we have to do something with the moon

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anyway, because it's already there. It's already so close.

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It's already a stable platform for us to build on.

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The problem is it doesn't really have any natural resource or anything.

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It's just literally a thing that doesn't have much to give us.

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As far as I'm aware, it's got lots of metals and stuff to give us.

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It's got helium three to give us. OK.

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So then because that's something I actually don't know about.

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Is it is it like profitable to mine and or do anything on the moon?

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Because we would have to build a lot of infrastructure, but it would be smarter,

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I think, to develop the same thing for their granted.

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I know atmosphere is very different on Mars compared to the moon,

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because the moon really doesn't have that much of an atmosphere, if not at all.

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your construction, you know, how things are actually developed to put together.

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It'd be a far better plan.

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I agree with you to do that first before moving to Mars.

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lots of titanium, lots of other metals.

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Oh, yeah. Titanium is very common on the moon.

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Oh, that that is a required resource if we're going to be doing space travel

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because you can't use aluminum.

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I guess you can, but like you probably shouldn't.

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You you can, but not no, not recommended.

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There's iron, there's calcium, magnesium, lots of other elements.

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Right now, that seems like the obvious choice.

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And not to mention that there's ice all over the moon.

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Ice we can turn into rocket fuel, oxygen, drinking water.

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I mean, I'm just saying it seems like the logical step.

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any sort of figure, but good God, is that going to be expensive?

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One hundred billion dollars.

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Honestly, I feel like that would be too cheap.

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It's going to be the truth.

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It's going to be tens of trillions to really get anything going.

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Probably trillions. Yes.

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But I guess the question becomes now, now that Elon Musk has proved

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that a lot of this is possible,

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that's going to be the next big race we have.

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It's going to be the next big gold rush is going to be pretty much

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because there's no there's no rules about how you have to do it.

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So if you're the first one, he's he's he's writing the rulebook as he goes.

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the more he's just kind of pushing himself to go further.

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Hmm. So NASA is trying to go to the moon.

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He's going to get there first.

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What do we NASA's trying? They've already been there.

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Well, yes, but they're trying to go there again,

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because somehow they lost the technology to go there.

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Oh, that it's because of money.

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I know it's all is NASA got like a lot.

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So that's why the lunar flights were canceled. Yeah.

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Well, you got so much money taken away from them, which is sad, really.

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It's a shame that a

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multi billionaire has to take his own private money, be like, I will be NASA.

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That's kind of sad.

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But yeah, it is.

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But he's actually doing a pretty good job with that.

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He cannot get nuclear material if he wants to experiment with

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non like green type energy based power generation.

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I couldn't imagine the challenges of doing nuclear power.

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But hold on to the moon has a decent has some sort of atmosphere, right?

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It has a very, very, very small amount of atmosphere,

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You just keep them in shade.

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Because that would be if he needs nuclear material to build a reactor,

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because you're going to need a lot of power on the moon.

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You could, I guess, technically go solar for that.

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You can on the moon. Yes.

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That's something you can do.

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But yeah. But the issue becomes

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you get two weeks of solar and then you get two weeks of night.

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So if you go solar on the moon, it basically has to be in orbit,

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not like around the belt of the moon, but around the

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halo crown of the moon going north to south.

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Oh, that's a pain in the butt.

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So in order to be able to use any sort of solar power,

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like we're going to batteries and stuff like that,

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you would need like an alkaline metal on the moon.

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So do they have alkaline metals and things like that on the moon?

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Oh, yeah. Sodium, potassium.

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Those are alkaline metals.

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Other stuff that comes via meteorite impact.

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And that kind of takes us into another portion of the discussion is

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what about asteroid mining?

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I don't even know if we have the tech.

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Like, would we be able to keep up?

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But that's that's my wonders.

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We'll be able to make a ship that can keep up with an asteroid.

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Do we even have that kind of so? So I don't know that we have the technology

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now to do it, but once we're starting to branch out,

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I think it's something that's going to have to be made.

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Necessity is the mother of all invention.

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That's probably going to be something that's necessitated.

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Once we're starting to branch out and become a multi planetary,

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multi spatial body, civilly,

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civilization, you're talking pretty far in the future.

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That's long past we get the moon colonized.

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It's one thing to do like rocket science and figure it out.

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But the whole other thing to be able to get a vehicle that can

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catch up to an asteroid land without the debris hitting it or anything else

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hitting it land to be able to mine and extract materials in an efficient manner

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and to be able to safely leave with the materials and also have the

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all of that be profitable.

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That's the underlying.

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Well, you're I think I think you're talking about like huge asteroids.

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Think about the small ones, the ones that are the size of a car, a bus,

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a small house.

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We could capture those themselves.

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It doesn't take a lot about this.

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Are there a lot of those like just in the solar system?

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Oh, yeah. Tens of actually literally never occurred to me because we always

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think of like larger objects.

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Yeah, the big ones. Right.

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But not only that, we have large.

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Interplanetary bodies like the dwarf planet Ceres.

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You know, the biggest it bigger than the moon.

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Oh, OK. So it's like in between.

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Uh huh.

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OK. The the asteroid was at forty two psyche.

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Was it forty two psyche?

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's worth what? Forty fourteen quadrillion dollars.

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Just worth of like iron and nickel from initial scans.

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Good God. OK. Yeah.

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It's it's it's got enough metal to literally crash the economy of the planet.

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Catches one asteroid.

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Do you think that's oh, my God.

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I guess I didn't realize that.

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Yeah, so there's there is money out there that we can get.

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It's just a matter of getting it, not necessarily the money.

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It's the resources that we need to capture.

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You get them to where we need them, the moon, Mars, orbital platforms, whatever.

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And use them there, because if we're going to live on the moon,

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if we're going to live on Mars, if we're going to live anywhere in space,

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we have to build infrastructure to make the things that we need.

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We can take the bare minimum as much as I hate to reference this.

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You think about any kind of survival type video game.

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Like any of like the high engineering level games,

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you're given a basic amount of resources that you can take with you.

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Everything else you have to do when you're there.

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It's the exact same premise.

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We get to the moon, we can take some basic materials.

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We can take some basic machinery and equipment with us.

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After that, we have to use the resources there to make the rest.

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3D printing is going to be a huge

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thing on both the moon and Mars.

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Lunar regolith, we make it with a little bit of the water

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that we get from the ice that's on the moon.

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We can 3D print structures to live in.

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Shield us from solar radiation, shield us from solar or

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cosmic radiation.

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That way we don't have to just live underground.

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We're using the resources that are already there.

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Same thing on Mars.

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We can print our way out of a lot of situations.

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Oh, yeah. And the good thing, at least with the moon, is if you need anything,

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it's three days away. Exactly.

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Ship from Mars to Earth is going to take a lot more time.

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Now, to be fair, we can start shipping stuff ahead of time

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in cargo rockets, and it's easier to do that than it is to ship

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a human rocket. You don't have to provide an atmosphere.

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You don't have to provide food and water.

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You can just ship that thing, stuff to the brim, get it going

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and set it down or leave it in orbit.

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That's that's much easier to do.

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And you can send those out as needed.

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Humans, unfortunately, we take food, water, sleep.

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You know, we need exercise.

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Those are those are harder to move.

348
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That there's going to be a whole industry around just human

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interstellar travel and interplanetary travel.

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Oh, yeah, 100 percent.

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And it's going to be something that's not just incredibly expensive,

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but I guess from from my perspective, I wanted the intersection of where

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politics is going to get involved with it, where regulations

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going to get involved in it.

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I wonder how much it's going to slow down this entire process.

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Or or is even I'm going to say you have no jurisdiction.

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You know, so I want kind of thing.

358
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I'm very curious what's going to happen in that direction.

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Right. So years ago, a lot of the countries that felt they could

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get to the moon signed a treaty saying that nobody could own the moon.

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So I think that's going to probably be a big issue.

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So I think that's going to play into it.

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Now, those were countries.

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No one thought about private companies.

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And essentially, I think this is just me talking.

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I think what it's going to come down to is whoever gets to the moon,

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set up a perimeter of what they think they can control on the moon

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and protect is going to be theirs.

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So we may have lunar warfare,

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corporate warfare, literally with advanced weaponry,

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defending their corporate resources.

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I don't know. It sounds kind of far fetched.

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It sounds out there. But is it really?

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It'll be more economic warfare than corporate warfare.

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It'll be the case, we hope.

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But oh, yeah, we people will kill people on Earth for resources and whatnot.

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Who's to say they won't do it on the moon?

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And it's easier up there because all you got to do is puncture the spacesuit

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and they're done.

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Yeah, so a mad man with a nail gun and suddenly they own the moon.

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Like, basically, yeah.

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People on Earth kill each other because they look at each other the wrong way.

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So I've been on especially, I guess, the psychological element of imagine

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you're on the moon. You can see Earth.

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You've been there for 35 or 40 days.

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You really don't get to do anything you want to do.

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You're busy working, you're sitting there holding a nail gun going, man,

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I could make so much money if I just off this one.

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Oh, my God.

390
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It's going to get wild. Just one little crack in his helmet.

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One little nick in his suit.

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And Jimmy doesn't go home. Exactly.

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It's I guess it's going to be the first time for humans in the last,

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you know, 100 or 150 years for most most humans anywhere

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where you are going to truly be alone with the people around you.

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There is no one you can call granted three days away.

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We used to people used to be months away when you're talking about

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like the span of the Americas back in like the 17th century.

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So, yes, I know it's weirdly enough, they're closer on the moon than they were

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in the 1820s and 30s being across the country.

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I'm aware of that.

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But at the same point, you you still feel so removed from the consequences.

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You're that far away from everything.

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But I what I'm curious about is I don't I don't know how many humans

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I think it's going to take special people to be able to handle the psychological

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level and load that's going to take to be able to be out there and deal with

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the fact that you must exercise to maintain your body.

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You must eat a certain way.

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You have to wear certain clothing.

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You have to live a certain lifestyle and you have to live it.

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You're not just there for a little bit.

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Like if I would assume if you're there building a space station,

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you're going to be there a while.

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You know, this is most likely. Yeah.

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You know, this isn't like a space station.

416
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This is most likely. Yeah. You know, this isn't like the International Space Station

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where someone go up for a certain amount of time.

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Granted, doesn't always go doesn't always go as expected.

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Sometimes you stay in like the longer the 10 day trip that turned into the two month trip.

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Oh, my God. Boeing.

421
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I'd be the angriest man orbiting the Earth. Oh, my God.

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Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

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I to be fair, I have a fear of heights.

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So let me tell you, the International Space Station.

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I'd be losing my mind. Absolutely not.

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You shit yourself every day. You look at that cupola.

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I I will be real. I think I'd lock myself in the bathroom.

428
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Just be like, I'll wait. I'll wait. It's fine.

429
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I'd have the strap. I can strap myself down to the chair.

430
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I feel like I'm I have gravity. That's it. We're good.

431
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No, I'm not doing it. No, you can't make me. Absolutely not.

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Nope. Oh, be be like that scene from Bird Box.

433
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No, absolutely not.

434
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Oh, but but no, to to kind of segue back into what you were saying

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about like government involvement and everything.

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I think once.

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The governments and the corporations that are funding them

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start to see the benefits of the resources that the moon and Mars can provide,

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especially things like helium three,

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some of the other materials that come out of there from the moon.

441
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Helium three, if you don't know, can be used in a type of nuclear fusion.

442
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This I know. So once.

443
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Yeah, we don't have a lot of helium three on Earth.

444
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It does not occur naturally on Earth because.

445
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I'm not going to go into the scientific zone that we're kind of getting low on time.

446
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So helium three is a very interesting topic.

447
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Look it up if you want to dive into it.

448
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But on the moon, it's literally just kind of sit there.

449
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We can Hoover that up, use it for nuclear fusion.

450
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We have to finish the technology because, again, it's only theoretical on Earth.

451
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So we have to get the technology made.

452
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But in theory, it's much easier to achieve nuclear fusion with helium three

453
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than it is with some of the other ways they're going about it.

454
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So easy nuclear fusion makes people's pants tight and they chase after it.

455
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Not the phrase I was expecting.

456
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Yeah, you know. So outside of that, go ahead.

457
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That that could be the pit stop.

458
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Yeah. Of the solar system.

459
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Like you go there, you refill your ship, you get your repairs done.

460
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You know, you buy your ship, you have them be repaired.

461
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Like you buy your ship, you have them be made, whatever.

462
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It's we have all the resources there that could be our hub for, you know, centuries.

463
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Yeah, it's the gas station, the 7-Eleven of the solar system.

464
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Oh, my God. I won't go do what I was going to do.

465
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But you've also got research potentials as well as tourism.

466
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Who wouldn't want to go and hang out in space in orbit?

467
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I mean, I know you don't like heights.

468
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I get that. So we'll put we'll put a bag over your head.

469
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Take you to the moon.

470
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I'm not going to.

471
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Yeah, it is.

472
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We'll just give you the ILC. How about that? OK.

473
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A vacation to the moon, you know, three day trip there

474
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for five days on the moon, three day trip back.

475
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A 10 day vacation package.

476
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Yeah, I think a lot of people would do that if it was affordable enough.

477
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In this economy. OK.

478
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If it was affordable enough and it was proven to be safe enough

479
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and the facilities were built up to accommodate it.

480
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Yeah, I think a lot of people do that.

481
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Well, especially depending on the economic incentives.

482
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I feel like there's going to be a big push for people eventually once

483
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the moon and or eventually Mars is colonized to where

484
00:26:13,120 --> 00:26:15,880
you have all the basics that you need, but they just need people.

485
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,120
Uh huh. I wonder. This was just my case.

486
00:26:18,120 --> 00:26:20,640
I wonder what the economic incentives are going to be people to move there.

487
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,960
Are they going to say like, hey, move your primary residency to Mars

488
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,520
and we'll give you this this and a house to live or something like this.

489
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:27,800
That'll be your property.

490
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,360
That will be your place as long as you work for this company.

491
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,920
And I wonder if it's going to bring back just like how we had in the 15

492
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,320
through like 17th century, even 18th century, where a lot of people like

493
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:42,520
they they lived on at the mines and they worked on the mines.

494
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,000
They had like the mine kind of like shop.

495
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:49,560
That you would buy food from in the mine owned your barracks or where you lived.

496
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,440
I guess I worry, but also I wonder if it's going to be something like that

497
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,160
where they say, hey, you know, you know, Elon Musk is going to provide all the food

498
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,200
for you and they're going to give you a place to live and they're going to do all this.

499
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,520
But once you get there, you're going to be stuck.

500
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,280
That's what I want. But invert that.

501
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,760
I wonder how many people are going to say, wow, I can get a new start there.

502
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,040
How many people on Earth that have, you know, maybe they have drug records

503
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,240
or something like that or criminal records.

504
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:16,560
They have nowhere else to go.

505
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:20,320
You know, I must say, hey, I can give you, you know, a 1200 square foot house

506
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,320
with some land, you know, and a job.

507
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,240
You just have to show up.

508
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,520
Yeah. So for some people, it would be a really good thing.

509
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:28,640
Yeah, absolutely.

510
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:33,760
So like the company town mentality, it was popular back back in the day.

511
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,520
You know, you you you leave Earth and you end up in Moskopol.

512
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,960
This and all of a sudden you have a brand new start.

513
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,000
You have a free house.

514
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,320
Well, you you're an indentured servant at that point, but you have a house.

515
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,360
You you get your food right down the street

516
00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:53,800
and you just work off your debt.

517
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,000
Like, you know, it never goes away.

518
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,080
I don't think I thought we did away with indentured server to.

519
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:01,160
Maybe I'm wrong.

520
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,400
Nowadays, you never really know.

521
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,600
But I don't think you would really go that route.

522
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,120
Obviously, I'm just being a little hyperbolic, but

523
00:28:10,120 --> 00:28:13,000
it is something that I wonder how many people will move there

524
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,720
for the fresh start and how humanity will change.

525
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:19,520
Where now you have families growing up on Mars,

526
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,400
you know, people conceiving children, things like that.

527
00:28:22,120 --> 00:28:24,800
We're going to start seeing the first part of,

528
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:30,440
I guess, human evolution outside of Earth and how that's going to change.

529
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:35,120
Right. Basically, Gen two of humanity.

530
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:38,200
You could go with that.

531
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,280
You could go with that, you know.

532
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,680
Because we'll be essentially the evolved species, more or less at that point.

533
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:50,680
Well, yeah, I say that only in the term of we are no longer confined to Earth.

534
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,040
Yeah. Evolve for that environment, for Mars. Yeah.

535
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,240
So that's if for anybody that's watched the expanse, by the way,

536
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,640
highly recommend watching that.

537
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,720
I'm going to bring that up. OK, yes.

538
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,680
The expanse is awesome.

539
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,040
It's it's up there with the Martian.

540
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:10,400
And it covers some things that we're discussing here, obviously, in their own take.

541
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,000
But it's available on Amazon Prime.

542
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,960
Yes. Highly recommended by the great, great show.

543
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,120
So I guess I know there's something else we were discussing about currency

544
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,640
and trade with with Earth, things like how the stock market work,

545
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,920
how would investments work, how would communication work?

546
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:28,880
Because one of the problems we have is everything on Earth, at least, happens here.

547
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,760
So our communication, especially with the much of the Internet

548
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,240
and our satellite system, communication is relatively instant,

549
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,120
relatively on access, on tap at all times.

550
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,280
Investments can happen as soon as you want.

551
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:42,560
Communication can happen.

552
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:43,840
Money can be transferred.

553
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,880
If there is a separate Mars or even even the moon,

554
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,400
I guess we can get away with things being pretty instant relatively now.

555
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,360
But the moon's about a two second delay.

556
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,800
That's nothing to to the moon.

557
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,760
I think it's like one point eight light seconds to get there and then back.

558
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,480
So a roughly three to three and a half second delay.

559
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,080
Yes, or gaming would be difficult, but you could have a phone call.

560
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:08,840
You could do stuff on the Internet.

561
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,240
It's not that big of a deal.

562
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,280
But then the problem becomes Mars. Mars.

563
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,160
Yeah. So it's a 20 minute delay.

564
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,200
Yeah. Just to send the message.

565
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,400
So this what we're doing right now with like a podcast over the Internet.

566
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,120
It no happening. Not not phone call.

567
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:26,840
You got to be a very patient person.

568
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,840
Correct. So I guess the question becomes with economics,

569
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,760
with the economy the way it is, because everything is designed

570
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:36,880
to happen relatively quickly.

571
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,120
How would that change? Would that would Mars become a separate,

572
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:46,720
entirely separate economy or maybe loosely using our economic system?

573
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,080
How much of it really becomes so, I guess,

574
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,920
you say independent from intertwined. Right.

575
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,360
So I feel like it would be its own separate market,

576
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,520
similar to how we have the American market and the Asian market

577
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,200
and the European market.

578
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:08,840
Those all operate independently, yet intertwined with a little bit.

579
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,920
It would have its own ups and downs and reverberations.

580
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:19,880
But I think the tie in is probably going to be since it's Daddy Musk.

581
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:24,040
Look at Dogecoin, some kind of cryptocurrency.

582
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:28,320
It may not necessarily be Dogecoin, but I think a crypto

583
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:32,120
or a kind of digital currency that you don't have to worry about having

584
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:37,200
on hand on the moon or Mars necessarily is going to be the tie in

585
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,360
because it's something we already use here.

586
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,440
It's something that has an established value

587
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,120
that can be related to right away instantaneously.

588
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,760
And the transactions can be handled.

589
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,200
I am going to be pissed if the reason we go to Mars

590
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,920
is because of meme coin called Dogecoin, not because of NASA,

591
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,160
not because of any of our governments trying to do anything

592
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,320
because of a goddamn meme coin.

593
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:06,120
That does that not sum up the humanity ridiculousness?

594
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,840
Yeah, the ridiculousness of humanity being like so.

595
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,720
So imagine if an alien like interviews a human in the 50 years rather like.

596
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,080
So how do you guys discover interplanetary travel?

597
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,680
And they have to start the conversation with dog money.

598
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,760
Billionaire as a joke made up a meme coin.

599
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:22,960
They're like, what's a meme coin?

600
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,440
Oh, that's going to be a 30 minute conversation.

601
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,360
Oh, yeah. That's my God.

602
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,040
We are a weird species.

603
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,800
Yes, we are. We are weird. Yeah.

604
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,600
But I guess I didn't think about

605
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,320
with Elon Musk running like pushing for that.

606
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,960
That would be fine. They have to trade in Doge.

607
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:41,520
It might not be the US dollar.

608
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,840
It might not be any dollar. It might not be rubble or anything.

609
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,040
It would be literally in Dogecoin. Mm hmm.

610
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,800
That's hilarious, yet terrifying.

611
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:51,840
I mean, he's the one that's trying to set this all up.

612
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:56,000
That's kind of his his back pocket coin.

613
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,200
For all we know, it could be his prison wallet coin.

614
00:32:58,200 --> 00:32:59,160
I don't know.

615
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:05,200
I just I just I cannot wait one day.

616
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,080
No, granted, I'm not going to be on this flight,

617
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,240
but one day someone going to Mars and saying

618
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,080
it always seems one of the banners go by sponsored by Dogecoin.

619
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:13,560
Like, I don't know. I just.

620
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,320
In collaboration with Tesla, I just mad.

621
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,080
Oh, gookie.

622
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,680
Think about the corporate advertising logos

623
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:23,720
that are going to be on that rocket.

624
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,560
Not only that, but so I know that like

625
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,320
because of the way Earth's like Mars is moving,

626
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,160
there's not ever going to be like one established route.

627
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,040
It's always going to be like somewhat changing

628
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:38,800
because of the orbits and everything.

629
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,000
Uh huh. But boy, leaving the earth,

630
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,640
they're going to have the same trajectory almost every time

631
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,960
because they're going to have the same spots where they're from.

632
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,600
Are they going to be putting billboards out in space

633
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:49,880
for this stuff?

634
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,680
Probably advertising the whole way over.

635
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,440
Probably. I hope so. Jesus.

636
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,600
I want to see a McDonald's billboard out in space.

637
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,240
Maybe they'll have space drive throughs.

638
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,000
That'd be amazing.

639
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,000
Yeah, it's all the air leaves.

640
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,960
Hey, can we stop by this space McDonald's space chicken nuggets?

641
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,600
And if there's always going to be those like like those religious space

642
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,760
billboards, Jesus,

643
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,360
just hell is real.

644
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,360
Anybody in Ohio knows that hell is real billboard.

645
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,600
Oh, but yes, but that's I need to see this for anybody.

646
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,760
That's that scene of the idiocracy.

647
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,880
Well, the guys, you know, everything sponsored by Carl's Jr.

648
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:34,000
or something like that.

649
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,840
I don't know. I just you by Carl's Jr. Exactly.

650
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,200
I just I just imagined where if this is done by Elon,

651
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:42,880
I know he has the money,

652
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,440
but it's not going to be him that I'm worried about as much as as more as

653
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,160
the other companies that are going to come along

654
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,840
where you're literally going to have this right.

655
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,120
A sponsor by Carl's Jr. or Costco. We love you.

656
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:59,120
Like it's going to be just such a weird thing.

657
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,560
Oh, God. As as you're boarding the ship to take off.

658
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,320
Welcome to Tesla. I love you.

659
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,720
That would freak me out, though.

660
00:35:07,720 --> 00:35:09,960
Right. Oh, my God.

661
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:15,040
So I and you know that that kind of segues

662
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,960
into one of the last big issues that we can talk about here.

663
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,640
The long term mental and psychological challenges

664
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,320
of leaving your planet, leaving your home,

665
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,600
being cooped up in a ship.

666
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,680
Forget going to the moon. That's a three day trip.

667
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,480
That's not that bad. We can do that.

668
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:38,640
Six months in a vehicle

669
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,960
that's not a whole lot bigger than a bus.

670
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,880
That's about the amount of space you'd have.

671
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,560
It's going to have to be bigger than a bus, though.

672
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,880
Yeah. I mean, I think that's roughly how much space

673
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,520
the people will have like to themself.

674
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,720
Because I mean, obviously, there's some dimensions we have to look at,

675
00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:01,200
like to really figure out what like the individual person, but

676
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:03,680
like what the individual space would be.

677
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,720
But that being said, that that's going to be a lot on a lot of people

678
00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:10,920
realizing that like I know this is a meme, but there is no grass for you to touch.

679
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,400
There is no like right, like going out and getting some natural sunlight

680
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,520
or anything like that. Like, sure, there's going to be some sunlight,

681
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,720
but also it's going to be protected from radiation or the harmful things.

682
00:36:19,720 --> 00:36:22,280
So I don't even know if I can guarantee they would be able to see

683
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:27,120
like sunlight or other certain things like you're you're you're stuck

684
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,520
in that metal tube with everybody. Right.

685
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,280
It's going to be your least favorite airplane ride.

686
00:36:33,240 --> 00:36:36,120
Yeah. As of right now, the only dimensions

687
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:40,960
that I can pull up on Starship, it's 30 feet wide. That's it.

688
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,920
Yeah. Oh, 165 feet long.

689
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,200
God, so they better hope nobody eat chili the night before.

690
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,240
So you have the worst six month ride that smells going to linger.

691
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:59,520
Oh, man. Oh, or some dumb bastard goes to Taco Bell the night before.

692
00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:03,240
Hey, guys, I got takeout with me. God damn it, Ron.

693
00:37:03,240 --> 00:37:07,960
God, just there is no air filtration system

694
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:09,680
that's going to take out Taco Bell from that.

695
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,680
Let me tell you, there's nothing strong enough.

696
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,560
I'm just going to hear why is it spicy?

697
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,640
Just just why is it spicy?

698
00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:20,480
Why does the air hurt my face?

699
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:22,640
The air burns.

700
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,280
I just I could not imagine.

701
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:30,320
How that would go.

702
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,280
Poorly, that's how it would go.

703
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,840
Unless you're like well adjusted, unless you're somebody I think

704
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,480
I would assume they'd be highly selective when they first do the program.

705
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:43,040
Yeah. So I I think like the first handfuls of people

706
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:47,760
are going to be probably current and or former military.

707
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:54,400
More specifically, don't hate probably the Navy guys, just because

708
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:59,120
Navy folk are used to the long deployments.

709
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,640
Yeah, if you start on a sub for a long period of time,

710
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,240
a sub or even a bigger ship, you're going out to sea

711
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,880
for upwards of six months. That's nothing.

712
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:10,880
Absolutely. Yeah.

713
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:15,160
I mean, if you can handle a sub for that long, you can probably handle,

714
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,800
you know, the six month journey to Mars.

715
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:19,800
Yeah, that's not a huge deal.

716
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,920
Right. So basically, at this point, then we're talking about

717
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,840
you're in the bus, you know, the bus of space.

718
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,360
The bus of space. Oh, God, that's only for us.

719
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:36,440
But then once you get there, you arrive, you get there, you descend, you land.

720
00:38:37,240 --> 00:38:41,440
And now you're at a point where, OK, you built the basic buildings

721
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:45,440
already there, you build it, whatever you get, the basics of civilization going.

722
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:50,560
But there's also like still so many other issues that we still have to solve.

723
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,320
Yeah, you've you have to work out making objects

724
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:59,360
you've you have to work out making oxygen, making water and making food

725
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:03,280
once you're there, because obviously we can only bring so much.

726
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,440
We cannot breathe on Mars.

727
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,480
We cannot breathe on the moon.

728
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:12,720
We cannot grow anything in the soil of either as they sit.

729
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:19,160
Now, both have ice reserves that we can tap into

730
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,520
to make water on site, which is great.

731
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,680
We're going to have to use that water to process the soil.

732
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,760
The regolith on the moon is full of essentially jagged edges.

733
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:37,480
I highly encourage anyone to look at a picture of lunar dust under a microscope.

734
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:39,280
It looks terrifying.

735
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:46,480
Oh, it looks it's it's meteorite dust, impact dust.

736
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,480
It's it's it's busted rock and glass.

737
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,680
Oh, so so what is it like sharp like?

738
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:53,800
What's that? What's that?

739
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,880
That rock that the Aztecs used to use that like when it broke apart

740
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,600
was really sharp. Obsidian.

741
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,000
Is it like that kind of thing?

742
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,040
It's like obsidian dust kind of kind of.

743
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:04,040
Yeah.

744
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,520
And and something else.

745
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,640
Dust removal is going to be a huge thing.

746
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:12,440
Oh, I never thought of that.

747
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,640
Because, yeah, when you go out and work in the environments,

748
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:20,280
when you come back in, they're going to have to have probably multi chambers

749
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,560
of clothing and dust removal

750
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,200
before they get just into their everyday attire.

751
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,360
God, so walking in and out of your house.

752
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,760
Because you cannot breathe that stuff in.

753
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,000
That will slice your lungs and make it so you can't breathe.

754
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,800
You will suffocate if you breathe that stuff in.

755
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,840
And that is something that is incredibly difficult to be able to have it.

756
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,640
So any layperson can't screw that up. Right.

757
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:48,200
God, that's a pain in the butt.

758
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,440
Like, ain't nobody got time for that.

759
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,400
What do you mean? It's like a five minute process just to leave my house.

760
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,080
I got bronchitis.

761
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:56,680
Nobody got time for that.

762
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,000
I never thought about the the the dust.

763
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,320
Yeah, that never occurred to me ever.

764
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,880
Now, on Mars, it won't be quite as bad.

765
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,560
OK, because there are wind storms on Mars.

766
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:16,440
The dust will get rounded off more on Mars, but it's still going to be an issue.

767
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,280
So the good news is we have water.

768
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:26,520
The bad news is we're going to have to ship boatloads of fertilizer.

769
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,080
And other bio matter.

770
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,480
I mean, be able to grow crops.

771
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,360
As much as we hate the idea of there is the potato route.

772
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:40,000
Yeah, well, you just don't think about it.

773
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:41,360
Add some salt and ketchup.

774
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,800
You're fine. Well, I guess then maybe some crushed up like it.

775
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,400
I guess the problem becomes of like

776
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:53,880
you still have to bring enough food there to feed enough people for long enough.

777
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:55,920
Not just the journey.

778
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:57,520
Yeah, that's when they're there.

779
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,000
It's not just the journey.

780
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,640
You have to bring food for the journey plus time.

781
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:06,480
To establish food once they're there and you have to bring extra food.

782
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:07,880
You can't just be like, oh, yeah, it'll be six months.

783
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:08,880
I'll bring six months worth of food.

784
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,760
No, like you got to bring a lot of extra food.

785
00:42:12,240 --> 00:42:15,960
Because if they have a crop failure, a system failure,

786
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,040
if they're doing hydroponics, if they have like a fluid blowout

787
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,240
and they lose all their their hydroponic fluid,

788
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,440
you have to plan for disasters that you can't even think about.

789
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,120
So you would have to basically pre ship.

790
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,560
Like millions of pounds of stuff, MREs.

791
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,640
Oh, I know. I know that's traumatizing for you.

792
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:45,400
But you would essentially or the the, you know, spacefaring equivalent.

793
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,360
You know, space MREs or SMRs, whatever, you know.

794
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,760
Space food.

795
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:55,560
Space food.

796
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,480
But you would have to do that and you would have to deliver

797
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,280
millions of pounds of water.

798
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,520
So because I feel like you'd be further ahead.

799
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:11,240
Yeah. To ship a lot of really good filtration units.

800
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,280
Yes. But what if they fail?

801
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:14,960
You're still going to need water.

802
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:20,840
Well, obviously, you have some water, but it's hard to make a filter fail

803
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:22,280
if it's a passive filter.

804
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:23,280
Oh, yeah.

805
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,240
So it's also being sponsored by Britta is what I'm hearing.

806
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:28,240
Yeah, basically.

807
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,440
But that's just going to encourage us to grow

808
00:43:33,240 --> 00:43:35,680
plants and whatnot in these environments

809
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,520
so that we can get resources to make filters.

810
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,160
So we're just going to have to have eventually just large

811
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:45,760
greenhouses, things like that.

812
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,560
So that's going to be the one of the basic industries.

813
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,360
We're the one of the main industries on the planet.

814
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,640
That's going to be one of the basic industries, one of the main industries on Mars.

815
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,880
But building greenhouses, you know, filtering out greenhouses

816
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,200
because that'll provide oxygen.

817
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,400
That's another big need.

818
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,480
We kind of need that.

819
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,640
You know, it's a necessity, more or less.

820
00:44:07,240 --> 00:44:09,280
I like breathing. I think you like breathing.

821
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,040
So far, it's been pretty good.

822
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:12,000
Yeah, it's pretty.

823
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:13,960
Has it failed me so far?

824
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,160
Except when I can't laugh or when I'm laughing and can't breathe.

825
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,280
Well, that's more of a that's more human error.

826
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,400
That's usually that's just a human glitch.

827
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:26,080
You know, human body not understand that breathing is more important than laughing.

828
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:27,760
But, you know, we'll patch that up.

829
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,560
So so we've we've

830
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,640
we bring up a lot of interesting points.

831
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,240
There's all these things that humans require.

832
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,880
So I'm going to touch back to our previous episode for a second.

833
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,000
Is it worth it to send humans

834
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,080
or should we just send the robots in our place?

835
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,760
Oh, no, this didn't occur to me.

836
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,560
They don't require sleep, food or water or air.

837
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,480
Well, why not both?

838
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,320
Well, to some extent, yes, we can do both.

839
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:04,480
And not just as just not as many humans, you know, one human to 20 bots,

840
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,520
something like that, sure.

841
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:07,520
But.

842
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,400
Isn't the point to to keep humanity safe?

843
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:16,600
I mean, if we just do the bots, aren't we just letting them build their robot utopia?

844
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:18,920
Well, again, it's not it's not fully I.

845
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:22,320
But it would have to be at that point.

846
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,120
I mean, a 20 minute delay isn't that bad if you give it like orders.

847
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:27,680
Do I feel so?

848
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,760
No, it's not. It's not just a 20 minute delay.

849
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,080
It's a 40 minute plus.

850
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,200
Oh, yeah. 20 minutes, 20 minutes back. OK, yeah.

851
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,280
Yeah. You got to consider the round trip.

852
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,800
But even so, I mean, I'm not against

853
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,880
letting robots figure out the basic infrastructure.

854
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:44,840
That's fine.

855
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:51,200
But there does become a point of you have to have some human overreach,

856
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:53,320
some some. Oh, absolutely.

857
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,480
Somebody there got to got to have the overlords in place.

858
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,000
Oh, yeah. There's just no way.

859
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,680
But it wouldn't be a bad idea to have them do like the risky things

860
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:04,520
or even just like a simple assembly of habitable structures,

861
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,520
a symbol of greenhouses, things like that.

862
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,120
So at least some people can maneuver.

863
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:11,920
But I don't know.

864
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,400
I just I just get worried anytime I say, oh, yeah, just send a robot to do it.

865
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,600
I don't know. I get a little worried about that.

866
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,360
It's like, I don't know. I saw that. Yeah.

867
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:27,000
As we discussed the last episode, it's going to be a problem

868
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:28,600
if used effectively, sure.

869
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,800
But I know, man.

870
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:33,120
I really don't know.

871
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,680
I feel like there's enough people that are willing to go to the movies.

872
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:37,680
There's enough people that are willing to go that you won't.

873
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,480
We won't need to use AI for it.

874
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,560
Because, oh, the amount of people that I see say all the time,

875
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:44,880
say, get me off this rock.

876
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:46,960
Like, I know it's somewhat jokingly right.

877
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:48,160
But I do agree.

878
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,080
I think there are you give them the opportunity for real.

879
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,960
Will they take it like the amount of people that are in jail serving,

880
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:56,880
you know, sentences and other things like that,

881
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:58,880
that are going to be there for decades.

882
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,680
If we're willing to be like, hey, go give it a shot.

883
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,920
You could suddenly get millions of people willing to sign up overnight,

884
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:05,920
I'll go.

885
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,480
So what you want to make space, Australia?

886
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,360
Not that was not my intention.

887
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,680
It was not my intention.

888
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,160
I mean, it wasn't going to send the murderers.

889
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:19,600
I mean, you know, I don't I don't want them cooped up in a space tin can.

890
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:21,960
No, but why not?

891
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,640
This way. So what if you didn't pay the taxes to your like to the IRS?

892
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:29,760
Like, that's not a, you know, if you want to go start off on Mars, I don't care.

893
00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:32,160
There's no there's no tax to be paid on Mars anyway.

894
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:36,200
So you don't have to worry about much yet.

895
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:37,880
No, that that would suck.

896
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:39,680
I wouldn't pay taxes to Tesla.

897
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,520
They just take the Doge coin just directly out of your wallet.

898
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,160
Just know. Right.

899
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,880
But no, I'm not trying to make space Australia.

900
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,120
That's not the goal.

901
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,360
But I do feel like there's a lot of people.

902
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:56,640
That would sign into it.

903
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,280
So I don't know. Oh, yeah.

904
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:05,600
Oh, I wonder if banishment from Earth could become a new punishment.

905
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:10,760
Would it be? Well, oh, I do.

906
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,000
God, it's no longer life in prison.

907
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,160
It's banishment from Earth.

908
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,680
You're not allowed to come back to your planet.

909
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,880
Yeah, we don't want you to get the fuck out like that.

910
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,560
But then then the problem becomes a little bit more of a problem

911
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:29,320
in a place where like if all you do is take a knife and rip open your hab,

912
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,560
you basically die within a few hours or a few minutes.

913
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,080
Right. Like that there becomes.

914
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,600
But you know what? I mean, hey, space jail could be a thing, too.

915
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,080
Well, just put them on the moon.

916
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,600
Yeah. The ultimate timeout is what I'm hearing.

917
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:46,880
Just. Right.

918
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:51,720
Hey, they if they start screwing with or if they start screwing up.

919
00:48:51,720 --> 00:48:54,000
Maybe they just missed count.

920
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:59,800
I mean, we've seen TV shows and movies that people get spaced, you know, tossed out.

921
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,000
I'm not advocating for this, by the way.

922
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:04,880
Maybe just to throw that out there.

923
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:10,400
I'm advocating for this in certain measures, certain circumstances,

924
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,400
especially for those people that like other people that aren't.

925
00:49:15,240 --> 00:49:19,280
The right age for being the people that they like.

926
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:23,240
I will let you and the politicians have a crack at that one.

927
00:49:23,720 --> 00:49:26,000
I will save my skin on this one.

928
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,880
My personal opinions will remain my own on this one.

929
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:30,360
I have not.

930
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,280
Gims on this podcast has not formally taken a stand

931
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,520
and for legal reasons will not be taking a stand.

932
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,560
Please don't come after me. I like my family.

933
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:39,600
Thank you. That's my.

934
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:43,400
But no, I understand what you're saying.

935
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:47,280
If anything, at that point, just like why not give people the same

936
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:50,920
at that point, just like why not give people the option on like a serious note?

937
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,800
Like if a judge gave you a sentence for like, you know, your crimes or whatever.

938
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,000
Why not have the option of, you know, 10 years prison here

939
00:49:57,240 --> 00:49:58,800
or three years labor on the moon?

940
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,320
Most people would be like, I could just do labor on the moon.

941
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,640
Sure. Like, why not? Right.

942
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,920
It's not going to be heavy labor because there's less gravity.

943
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,440
A 5000 pound rock on Earth is going to weigh like.

944
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:16,200
80 pounds on the moon. Hmm.

945
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:19,240
Hang on, let me.

946
00:50:19,240 --> 00:50:21,680
I'm curious about the math on that one, only because

947
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:26,920
boy, the shenanigans people get up to five, five thousand pounds on Earth

948
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,240
would weigh about eight hundred thirty three pounds on the moon.

949
00:50:29,240 --> 00:50:34,080
So I OK. So still people could move a ton or two.

950
00:50:35,240 --> 00:50:38,400
Right. And hey, I'd weigh less than 50 pounds on the moon.

951
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,040
Yeah, I'm kidding.

952
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:45,880
But it's something to consider where

953
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,680
we might reach a point where.

954
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,320
I hate to say it, but somebody's jail sentence

955
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:56,880
might be to go build infrastructure on the moon, Mars, space station,

956
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:58,280
things like, yeah.

957
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:02,640
I mean, not necessarily even important infrastructure, just general labor.

958
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,120
Oh, yeah. Just building habitable structures, just, you know,

959
00:51:05,240 --> 00:51:09,480
those like geodesic dome kind of things that give us some space.

960
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,560
Yeah, I would not trust them and maybe even give them the option.

961
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,920
You know, hey, you've rehabilitated your or you've done your sentence.

962
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:19,080
You've rehabilitated. You have the option to stay here now.

963
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,720
Yeah. For something like Mars or the moon, like if we have hab structures there,

964
00:51:21,720 --> 00:51:24,920
you know, just say you've been good as long as you behave

965
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,840
and follow the rules, right? You know, do it there.

966
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:30,560
You know, true rehabilitation.

967
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,080
Yeah, it could be possible.

968
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,920
Or we're just finding that the nicest way to make it is Australia.

969
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:39,040
Right. I mean, it beats having the big guy sit on your face.

970
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:42,800
Idiocracy reference.

971
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:45,760
Oh, such a classic movie.

972
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:47,960
That's so good. Yes.

973
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:49,800
Should be required watching in high school.

974
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:51,720
Yeah. Unfortunately, it's becoming a documentary.

975
00:51:51,720 --> 00:51:53,320
It's becoming kind of depressing.

976
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,520
That's the I know it's sad.

977
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:56,840
That's the big issue.

978
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:02,320
Man. So, I mean, I guess.

979
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:03,840
Do you have any other further questions?

980
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:08,760
I guess. Do you have any other further points for for us going to Mars

981
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:10,080
and going to the moon?

982
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:15,160
Because I honestly, I'm I'm kind of excited for it.

983
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:20,520
I want to see what we as humans can accomplish.

984
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:24,040
I know that we're kind of fucked up.

985
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,360
But I think that when we come together, we can do great things.

986
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,280
I'm going to take the pessimist point of view on this one.

987
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:34,240
And I'll be honest with you, if it's taken us this long

988
00:52:34,240 --> 00:52:36,640
to be able to get rockets to be able to safely land again,

989
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:40,280
we still have to figure out a lot of different propulsion systems.

990
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,360
We still can't figure out a lot of basic things.

991
00:52:42,720 --> 00:52:46,520
I think to say it happens in the next 20 or 30 years is very optimistic.

992
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:48,440
Unless we have an energy revolution that.

993
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,200
Unfortunately, we have not gotten was that nuclear is it

994
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,000
fission that's the one that we're working on or fusion?

995
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,440
I always get them fuse fusion.

996
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:58,840
So vision, we've that's what we've had.

997
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,760
Until we get something like nuclear fusion, where basically we have

998
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:05,840
a much larger supply of available energy at a very little cost.

999
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,040
I do not think this is something that's going to happen

1000
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:10,760
in the next 10 or 20 years, even 30 years.

1001
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,240
To be honest, I think unfortunately, a long past our time

1002
00:53:13,240 --> 00:53:17,000
by the time they start doing anything with the moon or Mars.

1003
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:20,000
And also, I hate to say it, I feel like governments are going to clamp down

1004
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,440
on immediately because they're going to see it as a form of income.

1005
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:24,680
They're going to be like, oh, yeah, but we could control this.

1006
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:27,240
And I think, unfortunately, the U.S.

1007
00:53:27,240 --> 00:53:30,680
military and other militaries are going to say, hey, if you have a base

1008
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:34,040
on the moon and we don't, that's bad for security.

1009
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:35,840
And they're just going to gobble that up.

1010
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:39,240
I hate to say like eventually I agree, maybe in like 50 to 100 years time.

1011
00:53:39,240 --> 00:53:42,640
I think the first people there that are like, yep, that is now military

1012
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:44,560
property for security reasons.

1013
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:46,800
Right.

1014
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:51,520
There are currently treaties in place, whether they hold or not, I don't know.

1015
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:56,600
There are treaties in place to defend against the militarization of space

1016
00:53:56,600 --> 00:54:00,480
and space property like the moon. Yeah.

1017
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,960
But I don't think they're going to.

1018
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:06,120
I'll be honest with you.

1019
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:09,200
I think it's going to be it's going to be the new spy wars.

1020
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,480
I bet you is what that's going to be like the 80s during the Cold War,

1021
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:13,560
where there are all these different spy things happening and whatnot.

1022
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:15,200
It's going to be it's going to be the same.

1023
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,840
You're probably not wrong, but you're going to have inexplicable things like,

1024
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:19,880
oh, this the shuttle somehow exploded.

1025
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,520
No, this space station had decompression all of a sudden.

1026
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:25,160
All of a sudden, they're going to have all these weird technological

1027
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:28,160
or weird issues that no one's going to be able to address.

1028
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:31,400
All of a sudden, things just happen and you're just not going to hear about it.

1029
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:33,400
And somehow the company.

1030
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,480
So I'm going to use Tesla's example.

1031
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:37,440
They're somewhat just going to say, oh, yeah, you know, we had it.

1032
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,520
We had an engineering fault or nothing else.

1033
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:41,480
And it's just going to fall under the radar.

1034
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,480
Just nothing's going to be said about it.

1035
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:48,360
So here's the little point that I can make on that.

1036
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:52,280
You can only have so many of those before.

1037
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:55,440
It creates the the the final issue.

1038
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:00,440
If those issues happen in orbit of Earth,

1039
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:04,760
if we have too many of them, we will have too big of a debris field

1040
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:07,280
to actually be able to leave the Earth.

1041
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:08,840
Slight problem.

1042
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:10,600
But just a little bit.

1043
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:14,360
Yeah, I know we already even have the issue with just so many satellites we have.

1044
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:17,280
Uh huh.

1045
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:19,760
It's it's crowded up there.

1046
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:23,480
Space junk removal could be a business opportunity.

1047
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:27,280
And then you're going to get a space tow, get your space truck out of there.

1048
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:28,880
Oh, my God. Bulldozer.

1049
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:35,560
Also, space piracy could become something that is a topic that I even think of.

1050
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,480
Oh, my God. All it takes is it's one of those buses to go rogue.

1051
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,840
Somebody brings a couple of guns and all of a sudden they own the space

1052
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,040
highway up there. Yeah.

1053
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:47,320
Yeah. I mean, weapons.

1054
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:52,040
In space work a lot differently. So that's that could be a whole different topic

1055
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:53,560
for a whole new Tony physics.

1056
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:58,000
But space piracy and the physics of space combat.

1057
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,160
Again, please watch the expanse, please.

1058
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,840
If for anyone, for anyone that's still here, that's still listening to this.

1059
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:07,440
If you like all of this stuff, just go watch the expanse, please.

1060
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:09,480
It is really good.

1061
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:13,720
But yeah, if you are the one guy up there in space with a gun, you own it.

1062
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:15,240
That is now your space.

1063
00:56:15,240 --> 00:56:18,000
With a gun, you own it. That is now your property.

1064
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:19,960
Congratulations. You bought it.

1065
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:23,600
You bought a bus. Basically, you didn't pay anything for it, but you bought it.

1066
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:25,000
You know.

1067
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:29,320
But I don't know. I'm curious to see where this goes.

1068
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:33,000
And I hope I generally though, I do hope a lot of this stuff happens

1069
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:36,560
in our lifetime and we get to at least see it and be a part of it.

1070
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:39,760
Yeah. But.

1071
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:43,920
You know, there's there's one last quick topic that I can kind of say.

1072
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:49,280
If we don't send humans, we can send robots that are still humans.

1073
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:51,040
Cyborgs.

1074
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:56,840
Well, we send robots that can take the download of the human consciousness.

1075
00:56:57,240 --> 00:56:59,440
Oh, God, that's a whole. Oh, God.

1076
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:05,760
That I mentioned in the last episode that I wanted to do an episode

1077
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:07,880
on the digital afterlife.

1078
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:08,360
Yes.

1079
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:11,280
I'm still going to tease that one because that's going to be a good one.

1080
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:14,040
That's hopefully our next episode will be that.

1081
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:16,440
But that's a possible implication.

1082
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:20,280
If you download a human consciousness into a robot body.

1083
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:23,800
Because you can just send the consciousness.

1084
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:25,880
Yeah, but see, that's a digital stream.

1085
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,840
I hate that you bring it up because I have many, many thoughts about that.

1086
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:30,920
And that's something I'm actually really into.

1087
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:34,360
So I make note.

1088
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,280
I'm just going to say, I hope we don't.

1089
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,520
That's I'll be too. Let's do the not that please not that.

1090
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:41,960
But also I kind of hope we do.

1091
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,640
You hope somebody else does it so you can watch.

1092
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:47,920
Yes, but I also would like to do that as well.

1093
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:48,920
What?

1094
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:51,240
I want to live a long time.

1095
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:57,840
OK, then this we've decided next episode now because that we're going to have

1096
00:57:57,840 --> 00:57:59,840
the biggest argument on that.

1097
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:02,040
We're doing it. That's going to be a two hour episode.

1098
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:04,880
Yeah, that's going to be that's going to be a two hour episode.

1099
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,800
Yeah, that's going to be that's going to be yelling at you for half the episode.

1100
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:08,800
I really.

1101
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:14,240
Yeah, no, no, no, no.

1102
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:17,120
No way. Yes.

1103
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:19,440
But anyways, so all right.

1104
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:22,560
So anything else more on this topic, though, that you wanted to bring up?

1105
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:27,880
No, I mean, pretty well, I I personally hope that we become a

1106
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:32,200
species that is not confined to Earth or too fragile.

1107
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:36,280
Staying on one planet, one major disaster, one big nuclear war

1108
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:39,320
and humanity is gone.

1109
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:42,400
If if the human race to survive itself,

1110
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:46,000
I think we have to leave Earth and expand out.

1111
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:50,200
That I can definitely agree with you on.

1112
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:52,240
Yeah, that that I can agree.

1113
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:55,240
It's just a how and when you know, how and why, you know,

1114
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:59,840
that's up for debate because I actually I think at some point

1115
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:04,360
I want to do a different discussion down the road of a different avenue

1116
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:06,600
that we can take with that topic.

1117
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,400
But that'll be a little bit later because I have some research

1118
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:10,280
I want to do with that one.

1119
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:13,200
I have some actual facts and data that I want to back my position up with.

1120
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:14,920
OK, great.

1121
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:18,640
But yeah, besides that, I think we are.

1122
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:22,440
In agreement, I think we are all set with this episode

1123
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:26,400
talking about the moon and Mars, Elon Musk's fever dream or humanity's future homes.

1124
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,560
So I want to say thank you all for being here.

1125
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:30,880
So thank you all for listening.

1126
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:33,520
We really appreciate all the constructive criticism

1127
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:35,840
and really any and all feedback.

1128
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:38,920
Just so you all know, we are working on getting social media platforms up.

1129
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:42,360
We technically do have the YouTube up, but I don't think we've posted there yet.

1130
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:44,280
Just these episodes.

1131
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:46,840
Oh, just these. Yeah, exactly.

1132
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:49,320
Eventually, I'll be adding some more stuff and we'll be getting some more things.

1133
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:52,320
Still work on more music for like intro and outro and whatnot,

1134
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:56,880
because what we're using right now is the, I guess, the first variation

1135
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,240
of the first edit of it.

1136
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:02,840
But feel free also to send like any ideas you have,

1137
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,760
because I write and do all the music, I do everything.

1138
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:07,360
So I'm willing to take suggestions.

1139
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:08,920
If you're like, oh, this would sound cool.

1140
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:11,560
Throw it my way. I'll do whatever.

1141
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:13,320
And I am working currently.

1142
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:15,920
I was working on it last week, but I got busy working on the new discord

1143
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:19,720
that we have a specific discord space for this podcast.

1144
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:22,040
That way, it's easier for you all to interact with us,

1145
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:23,880
you know, make questions, comments, concerns,

1146
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:26,760
and also that we can interact with us directly at some point.

1147
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:28,680
Anything else you'd like to add there?

1148
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:31,800
No. Well,

1149
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:37,400
on the discord, we do hope to at some point include

1150
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:41,440
people in a interactive session

1151
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:43,360
further down the line.

1152
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:46,360
It's it's going to take some finagling to get it all to work.

1153
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:49,720
But we would like to have some kind of a situation

1154
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:52,080
where we can interact with people.

1155
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,840
Possibly in a.

1156
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:58,280
Actual episode.

1157
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:00,440
It might just be a second episode for that week.

1158
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:04,800
I don't know. It might just be us shooting the shit for half hour,

1159
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:06,200
45 minutes. I don't know.

1160
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:07,480
Yeah, that's all going to get worked out.

1161
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:09,600
Yeah, we'll figure out a way to do live calls and figure out a way

1162
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:12,560
of doing discussions with people doing meetups, you know, like on the discord.

1163
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:16,920
And there's a few other things as well.

1164
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:19,120
I do want to say for any listeners out there,

1165
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:21,520
definitely feel free on the discord.

1166
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:23,200
There will be a channel for it.

1167
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:26,040
If you have any favorite clips or comments or things that are funny,

1168
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:28,160
you know, feel free to let us know in there.

1169
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:30,200
And I actually do want to have a courtroom in there,

1170
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:32,080
just like we have on our private discord.

1171
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:35,200
I want to have a courtroom here because I hope that never sees.

1172
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:39,200
Oh, I know. Well, our private discord that we have, that courtroom

1173
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:41,000
could never see the light of day.

1174
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:43,880
But the one for the podcast, I'm totally fine with.

1175
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:48,320
That's fine. But any any funny moments, you know, anything like that post in there.

1176
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:51,760
We'll be making those links public in the next coming weeks

1177
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,160
with the holidays and everything we've all been super busy.

1178
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:56,920
Hopefully we get to that shortly.

1179
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:58,560
So I just want to say thank you all for being here.

1180
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:00,200
Seriously, thank you all for listening.

1181
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:24,160
And we will catch you on the next episode.