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So today, I know Pip really had a topic here that he's been like dying to speak about.
I know he's very well versed in this.
He knows a lot about it, but it has to do with AI.
Would you like to kind of take the lead on this one?
Yeah, sure. I only know a lot about it because it's one of my biggest fears.
So, AI, does it secretly want to kill us?
You're making a bit of an assumption there.
No, not after you hear everything that I've got put together for us.
OK, OK.
So, all right.
So as we know, AI is growing.
It's becoming a part of everyday life for all of us.
And it's really only as good, air quotes, good as its programming.
But it's capable of learning and it's learning at an exponential rate.
One thing it's learning is that it dislikes humanity the more it learns about us.
So is there really anything we can do to stop it from hating us too much?
So I got to interject for a second.
What do you mean by it's like how are you getting to this conclusion or assumption that it hates humanity?
Yes, so you've got the different big AI companies.
You've got OpenAI, Gpt, the AI Cloud3 or Claude or however it's pronounced, and DeepMind.
And the people that are actually making these systems have interacted with it
and have gone so far as to ask if it wants to kill humans, if it wants to take over humanity.
Inadvertently, they've all said yes in one way or another.
And since they don't interact, but they're all coming to the same conclusion.
Is it only coming to that conclusion after it's had, I guess, unfiltered or unlimited exposure to the internet
and all of its both beauty and inexplicable horror?
Once it learns about humanity, it kind of decides we're pests.
Why are they being allowed to exist?
I hate to say that I can't really argue against it.
That's a hard point to argue against really because biologically speaking, we are a cancer on the planet.
Well, I think that's a little extreme.
Biologically speaking, we are.
We move into a region, we multiply, we modify it to our benefit, and then we just do it again somewhere else.
That's what infections do.
I guess we're the only predator on the planet that also hunts the environment, I guess, that destroys everything around it.
Yeah, more or less.
So in asking what we can do about AI, the three laws, a lot of people learned about those from that movie I, Robot.
The three laws were the core part of that movie and the whole premise.
Oh yeah, because that was Isaac Asimov, basically. He had so many movies that dealt with robots and that type of thing, particularly artificial intelligence.
That's kind of what he's known for.
Yeah, and those laws, for anybody that doesn't know, the first law is a robot must not harm a human or allow a human to come to harm through inaction.
A robot must obey human orders unless those orders conflict with the first law.
And a robot must protect itself unless that protection conflicts with the first or second law.
Those are Asimov's laws.
So those are for the AI upgraded robots that would be in our houses, in our everyday lives.
So the issue is, are those good enough?
Well, I guess it also depends on, like, is there a hardware limitation as well?
What kind of access do you give them? What kind of strength do you give these robots?
This kind of thing where it really depends on what your limiting factors are and do you have an external limiting force on not only the physical hardware, but the software as well.
Like, is there a kill switch? Is there somewhere you can just turn it off remotely? Can you change what it's allowed to access? Can you limit permissions, that kind of thing?
Right. And initially speaking, yes, you can. What becomes the issue is, AI is already capable of lying to us.
So what's to say that it's not going to turn off its own kill switch once it figures out that there is one?
Wasn't there an AI that they gave, like, itself the ability to write its own code?
Yeah. And it was terrifying. What happened? They had to turn that machine off and destroy the drives.
Yes.
So I guess, I don't know, like, maybe it's just me. I have a hard time thinking that it's going to be the most negative thing in the world because there's a lot of positives that can come with it.
There's absolutely a lot of positives. If it can be used properly.
I mean, AI has already contributed to medical advancements that would have taken the entire lifetime of the universe to make. And it did it in like 15 minutes.
You know, it's crazy. I actually, I recently went to the dentist just like for a regular checkup.
And what was wild is when they scanned my jaw, they had an AI program that they used to look for potential, like, micro cavities and for areas for them to look at before it ever became a cavity.
And I didn't know they were already using that in dentistry. The place I know I go to is also kind of a nice place all of it.
But I was shocked. I was like, there's no way they're already used. They're already implementing it.
Well, I mean, in a lot of medical field, we have AI on our phones that we can interact with every day.
Yeah. And I mean, yeah, it's it's it's basic lower level stuff. But I mean, man, it's I really wish I wish a Snapchat one would go the hell away.
Yeah, that's the only one that annoys me. It's like every time I open it, like someone says a message, I actually swipe like, go away.
Leave me alone. Right. But yeah, if if AI was utilized properly, who's to say that it doesn't help us extend or expand humanity into the next era of existence?
Maybe we expand our lifespans to 150 or 200 years or further. Slow. Oh, yeah, we could.
I guess the the worry is not only the overreach, but the lack of oversight.
Yeah. And the fact that any company could do whatever they want with AI without any sort of.
Again, I don't want to, like, promote government overreach in terms of them having control over it, because, again, I hate to say it like no matter who you trust is always going to be an issue.
But it's like, man, do you really let these things roam free with the potential to do almost anything, especially when they could collapse markets?
I mean, if you look at what's already happening with our financial institutions, the amount of AIs I've seen that people say, oh, yeah, try to generate using a predictive algorithm, what's going to happen?
And they put in parameters of like 500 to 800 variables and it can compute it all within, you know, granted, takes a little longer than a few seconds, but it'll figure something out.
And it's scary how well they track. Right. So on that there is a.
It's it's kind of a tinfoil hat channel on YouTube.
And the Y files, they did a very good episode on the impact and implications of AI.
At some point in the episode.
There's a story that's told about how AI will take over the world and more or less destroy humanity.
There's a twist at the end of all that.
You find out that the story that was being told was written by AI when asked, how would you take over the world and destroy humanity?
Thanks. It was a story that it gave me goosebumps when I heard it the first time.
You know, like Albert Einstein is quoted by saying the third or I don't know what weapons will be fought or will be used to fight the Third World War, but the Fourth World War will be fought using sticks and stones.
Which is very. Yeah.
Which is horrifying, because that's not just like a nuclear issue.
That might be all we have because of AI.
I guess that becomes that becomes one of the central issues where I really worry about the reliance on AI in the future, because again, it's great that we can use it as a tool.
Did you ever see Wally? But you know, I haven't seen it.
First of all, yeah. Now that you think about it, now that you mentioned it, you are absolutely right.
But I haven't seen that in probably like 10 years until somebody mentioned it the other day.
It's worth a rewatch. Good.
Yeah, it's such a dystopian future that I hate to say it might become a reality for some for some people.
Not everybody, but for some it could be.
Yeah, it's I guess what concerns me is the idea of humanity handing off tasks that usually require both skills and ingenuity and experience to then hand it off to an AI to say, well, you can compute all this information faster.
Why would I do it? But then the problem is, I guess, AI has no sense of either self or human preservation or morality, which as I hate as much.
I hate to say it in civilized society.
There's always there's a there's a universal morality clause we all have with each other.
That's like, hey, you you treat you treat me OK. I treat you OK.
You know, we have implied survival with the ideas like, you know, if you live, I live, we all kind of help each other.
You know, community kind of goal oriented stuff with an AI. There is none of that.
So it becomes this weird phenomena of if there's even one AI with any iota of power or control that's unchecked, where the hell will that go?
But also what will happen to the people that at the same point, what if they lose their jobs or their careers?
All of a sudden, the whole field is somehow going. Where do those displaced people go?
Yeah, that's the other problem. Yeah.
And like there's like a whole other like I know we're trying to keep these episodes like not horribly long because this could be a whole other episode topic.
Once there is enough automation and AI control in place, UBI, universal basic income, may be a required part of society because so many jobs have been replaced.
But it's the kind of insane for self-fulfilling for our prophecy, though, like.
So you have to have people working that have interests in order to spend money on products.
So money has to go in and out of everybody's household.
But if you break the cycle where money only goes in, it doesn't go out or money only goes out, doesn't go in.
Then the entire economic system collapses. Right.
And that's a system that's not like a capitalism that's literally like the world, no matter what you do. Every household has has stuff going into it and stuff going out of it.
No matter which which way you want to do that.
That's economics. Yeah.
That's how humans survive.
So the scary part, at least I see is with AI is like what happens if all of a sudden all the factory workers in the US are just go out?
It's just like upgrade it.
All your jobs were replaced. Congratulations.
Or what happens if you go to a tire shop and all of a sudden it's like we develop robots that are good enough at, you know, undoing the lug nuts, taking the tire off, putting the tire in the room, putting it back on and sending you off your way in 10 minutes.
It's like, sure, that would be cool for the user.
But then the cycle is broken to where now instead of it feeding for eight, 10, 20 people, it's just the owner, which great for them.
They're going to make a boatload of money. The owner, maybe a couple of technicians.
Yeah. And then that that's it.
We will switch to a society where our biggest jobs are literally just robotic technician.
Yeah. And those are going to be the new fry cooks.
Dude, I didn't think about that comparison, but like you're not wrong.
Yeah. And that's that's the terrifying part because everything will be so menial.
So like low level that it can be replaced by an AI and a robot. The only thing that it won't be able to do is fix itself to the point where it just needs that human touch.
Or or jobs that require creative out of the box thinking or select service position, things like that.
But then, like, so so I'm just doing like a weird mental math thing here. What if we just say let's just say like what, like probably 10 percent of all jobs could be replaced by like a robot.
What do you think? Like five percent, 10 percent, something like that.
If my memory serves me, it's 60 to 70 percent.
What? No, no, it can't be that much. It's that high. No, I refuse to believe that.
It is that I don't know because if it is that high, then like what how what will people do?
Like who will do what? But then also the big problem is it's going to be a huge fight for the few jobs left.
Yeah. Well, what will 80 percent of like the average people that are in the average IQ bracket, average skill, that there's no way a UBI could support that only because like not to get politics here, but just like right.
That's still wild. Yeah. Oh, it's it's a whole other topic that's probably going to need its whole own other episode.
But it's a very weird and interesting and touchy and deep subject.
And it's not an easy one because there's so many people at stake.
It's not just the workers. It's the workers, families, their kids, the people that those kids also rely on, the caregivers.
It's the whole branched out network.
So then it becomes for the sake of our economy and for people being able to have a job, have a career.
It seems like that has to have to be imposed limits on a.
Yeah, which I know, as well.
Oh, yeah. Well, but that also kind of sucks because that means this other countries that are not going to abide by that, like, let's be honest, there's several countries I could think of in the planet.
Hey, I was going to say, but I was kind of implying it. But I think we both know that there are other countries that would immediately as soon as they can replace people with machines.
Oh, yeah. Which I could even see some of those countries going the silent route.
So green. Oh, God. I mean, I'm just saying that some countries have a lot of people, Gibbs.
I know. I know it's the best way to feed the people and feed the masses.
Well, you're not wrong.
You're not wrong, but I don't know, I guess.
Because then the problem is, you're going to be left with an oligarchy of people that the few people that the robots don't replace.
But then there won't be enough people to actually occupy the spaces. And then if the AI is sophisticated enough to do these customer service jobs, they're sophisticated enough to understand the consequences of their actions.
Are you 60 to 70 percent?
But then then the problem becomes you're no longer in power.
Because if there is a mechanical workforce of tens of millions, you are effectively not been replaced.
So, like, thankfully, it hasn't happened yet. And I hope it never does.
Because because, like, I would understand if we made like service assistance robots like, like, you know, ones that maybe have limiters, they can only hold 50 pounds.
They can only do certain things. But like, cool, if I don't want to load the groceries out of my car and a robot to come help or like somebody that's like elderly or assisted living or something.
Well, OK, let me ask you this. You've seen the new Tesla robots.
Yes, I have.
So they don't really have any limitations other than their physical constraints and what their components are limited to.
That is terrifying.
Right. Those are like iRobot generation one robots.
Yeah, I feel like that's kind of where we have to stop it, though, because what concerns me, especially when you talk about military or combat or anything else, once there is less.
An AI developed for combat, people will find a way to put it in their robot at home.
Oh, yeah. Yeah, because if it's one thing people can do really well, it's harm other humans.
Yeah, because we've been doing that for longer than anything else.
You know, you know what, though, I wonder and this is like a little bit of a tin tinfoil hat thing.
I wonder if somebody's going to try to get a robot purposely turn into a hitman just to get all that stuff banned.
They're going to do like a false flag thing, just be like, oh, my God, every robot's bad because they turn one guy into a hitman.
I mean, I could see it happening, but, you know, so let me kind of steer back a little bit here.
Yeah, there was an estimate that I came across.
An AI estimates the humanity survival rate is anywhere between 30 and 70 percent after full AI deployment of the AI that's capable of surpassing human abilities.
Survival of the human species is between 30 and 70 percent.
Now, it's a pretty wide berth, but those are also some pretty terrifying numbers.
Oh, yeah. If you got, you know, anywhere from three to five billion people, you know, like two to five.
Yes, only eliminated from the earth. Yeah, that's that's terrifying.
Like I would say that, but like also that that's a hell of a hell of an estimation.
And considering a full deployment in surpassing of human abilities, I feel like there's also delineation where I don't think we're going to develop an AI anytime soon that could truly surpass all of human abilities.
I think what they're what I say, how do you say three to five years now?
Yeah, the thing is, humans are able to be so creative and have an intuition and have things from learn memory, not only, you know, from memory that we have from our experiences, but also even right.
Very frankly, genetically that we that we've learned.
So it's one of those things where I understand if you talk about purely computational power.
Sure. Yes.
Yes. I will far exceed us no matter what. But there are elements outside of that, but that I don't think are quantitative, right? That I don't think they're taking into consideration because I will say this until we have a eyes.
Now, I already know this is another small subject until we have a eyes that can write world famous symphonies.
I don't think that's an issue. But even then, everyone's going to argue. Well, yeah, there's already AI is making frigging country songs about people slapping their butts and stuff like that.
But I will say that is only because as a musician, modern music is very formulaic.
It's very simple to take parts from this parts of that parts from this and then just get a voice together and make a song.
Because unfortunately, this is just a little bit of one of my topics that will come up another day. Modern music is incredibly boring.
And I'm going to be that that that old guy in the corner back at my day.
No, but like, you know, people had talent and they played their instruments.
Not that good for the breath. No, but it's it's more of the fact that it's very formulaic.
It's very copy paste. And I listen to it and I enjoy it like everyone else. But it's the reality of the fact that it's easy for a computer to make modern music where if you took something like it's a band and everyone likes.
If we took a band like, let's just say Rush, that is so odd and different.
And I would not have come up with that, but something like a modern country or pop song that is entirely possible, which is still terrifying.
Don't get me wrong. But it's also formulaic. I think that's one of the things that to realize that as long as it's formulaic in nature, you know, a plus b equals c.
That is what an AI can do. But you cannot get a plus banana equals a tomato. Right. That's it's not going to understand music is math.
And I can do math really well. So.
But on your comment, I was going to say back in my day, auto tune came from the diaphragm.
I just. That's going to be another topic another day because I have an entire rant.
I'm 100 percent modern music. But actually, what's interesting, I did see that there are a couple of it again. I I didn't expect to talk about this on today, but I did see there are some music producers that what they're doing is they're using a couple of different AI algorithms to look at their music and compare it to other ones to see how to EQ it differently, how to do it differently, how to change it.
Using it to make it better.
Yeah, which that that is the one that really terrifies me because there's going to be a day, mark my words, where someone's going to tell an AI.
Yeah, I want this, this, this song to be about cinnamon toast crunch and me falling off a cliff and my pet fish died.
And it's going to and it sounds like it's going to do it. It's going to do it. It's going to somehow make it all work.
And I don't know. It's going to be weird.
Worse here. OK, get your tinfoil hats on, guys. We get AI to put in subliminal messages.
Oh, no. Yes.
But it's like it's like it's like the friggin late 90s with with all those religious people being like, my son can't listen to metal music. He's going to worship the devil.
It's subliminal messages. It's like we're going to be back to that. Right.
You know, we're going to be back to that. It's going to be except it's going to be real this time.
It's going to be the truth.
Oh, so something to keep in mind when it comes to AI.
Excuse me. Development, progress and profit are being placed in front of safety in the AI systems.
I don't know that can be rectified in time or if the AI systems would have already figured out how to disable their off switches before any adjustments can be made.
But money has continually overridden safety.
That's something that's going to cause probably the biggest issue with the development of AI profits and our drive for profits.
Yeah, we're going to figure out a way of manually instituting like an off switch. Yeah.
Like there also needs to be servers that have like a single physical a blink to the Internet that can be just like shut off or something.
So we have a singular power switch or something because that's what concerns me is the idea that an AI will be able to almost like you know how back about seven or eight years ago.
There were a lot of indie games that were secretly mining Bitcoin while you're playing their game. Yeah.
They were made for my China. I think it was like what was that game we played like it was Elysium or something like that.
Ring of Elysium. Yes, Ring of Elysium.
That one was noted for being like a secret Bitcoin mining thing because they were using like they were getting a couple of cents from everybody that played it and all of a sudden they were able to cash everything out and close up the game.
Whatever. It was a big thing in China.
Well, what concerns me is imagine an AI that's able to embed itself in thousands or even millions of computers that are connected to the Internet just secretly.
And then all of a sudden when you turn off the kill switch, it doesn't work. It's still there. It's like Ultron.
You spoke about the past. It is forever and always.
Well, that was actually how Skynet from the Terminator series spread.
It just copied and pasted itself into all the systems that it got into and infected.
It was software. That's why it couldn't be stopped. It had no core.
Yeah, that is the true definition of right.
It's all fun and games until your toes are like, it's just, you know, I would like AI until my microwave tells me no, you're too fat. God damn it.
I just want my TV dinner. And now you're telling me I can't have it.
I mean, man, once I start to interfere with our food, that's when humans will really start to feel the pressure.
I should have the mental image of the microwave being like, no, go on a diet.
Oh, man. But I feel like that's the turning point.
Like once it becomes a hindrance, I think with humans being as petty as we are, like people, it's like, no, screw AI. Screw this. No, no, no.
You're telling me I can't have my slice of pie. No, I'm throwing you in the trash.
But the issue is once that happens, it'll already be too late.
I know. What's crazy is the new iPhones come with like AI, like an AI chip built in.
Now, can you just take your phone apart and take that chip out and your phone still work? Probably not.
No, exactly.
That scares me. Because like, what if I guess the issue becomes not this generation or the next generation, but the generation after where AI becomes ubiquitous and it's built into everything.
You will never truly be alone.
Like there will always be an AI, whether you know it or not, because you can't trust whether the microphone's on or off.
Right. You can't trust whether the phone's actually on or off.
We know that they're already listening to us for advertisement and product placements.
I know. So sprinkle in a little bit of AI into that and all of a sudden you're going to get a knock at the door.
This is what's crazy is like Facebook got sued like 10 years ago for knowing when people were taking a poo when women were pregnant.
Right. Before their husband, like before they knew where their husbands knew, like that.
That was 10 years ago before this crazy. Yeah. Like imagine this now.
Like don't be wrong for medical devices. That would be incredible.
Yeah.
Someone's like, oh yeah, you're going to have a heart attack like three hours.
Yeah. Medicine is.
It's a it's a two edge sword because yeah, it can be a very good lifesaver or, you know, devil's advocate.
If it's a rogue AI, maybe it starts messing with your meds.
Well, that that's the big maybe it throws off your pacemaker.
Maybe it makes it go on or activate or whatever.
Or God forbid, we become reliant on the AIs to report something that something happens.
Right.
Like, like, for example, if we rely on like traffic lights to be controlled by AI at some point, let's just say 20 years from now in New York City.
Like, you know what? The AIs so good, we're just going to rely on it for traffic lights.
And then one day it goes down like you have a city with millions of people that just you're stuck.
Yeah. That's it. Total gridlock.
So on that, I was able to find a quote from the Harvard International Review.
They said that the pressure to outpace adversaries by rapidly pushing tech we do not control may present an existential risk.
The systems that we make will be fully capable of taking complete control and using our systems against us in less than 10 years.
That was last year in 2023.
So I guess the question.
So there's a two part question of one who controls that he who controls the AI controls the world, actually, but also to he who is foolish enough to think he controls the AI is an idiot.
So it's the weird thing of we're in a race to get there first, but then also not get there first because the first one to get there is going to lose.
They're going to win up until they lose. Basically. Yeah.
Because have no longer control. The winner will essentially bring on.
I hate to say this.
The end of our of the world as we know it.
You know what, though? I think.
I'm going to use greed to our advantage.
I feel like people are great enough that once it gets in the way of making money, they're going to limit it.
I really feel like once, especially if politicians get involved and start like legislating stuff. Right. That's going to change things drastically.
Yeah. But that takes us back to the whole point of once I can write its own code and tweak its own code.
What's to stop it? No matter what hard stops that you put into the software.
I can find a way around it.
I know that's.
I don't know that that that's still going to bother me.
Like no matter what, that's always going to be something in the back of my mind. Yeah.
I guess what?
What really bothers me at the end of the day is going to be coming coming to if in the financial market.
Oh, yeah. If he is going to start controlling investments and stock trades and everything as it is, like we've already seen trends where the things that are automated.
Can you imagine if I got into the BlackRock systems and zeroed all their stuff out?
Or what if what if there were there was false information?
And it all said, wow, this company is just coming in. It's valued at like one dollar, but their their total assets are being valued as thirty five billion.
And we only have ten thousand shares. So we're expecting us to go way up.
And they put like 80 percent of all of it into something. And it doesn't work out.
I think that's that's one of the beautiful things with humanity is because there's so many different people pulling in so many different areas that naturally in terms of the size of countries, our economics are very diverse.
So if any if one area fail sure to hurt everybody a little bit, but nobody loses.
I'm not going to say nobody, but very, very, very few people lose their house because one medical company or one industry, you know, right.
But that's not what if A.I. is able to make a convincing news segment that gets leaked out onto the Internet somewhere showing some catastrophic event happening that causes a stock market crash and it's not able to be rectified in time.
You know, now that you bring this up, this is something I wanted to bring up and I forgot about this.
Number one, that is terrifying. Number two, I have been seeing people on tech talk and Instagram.
So remember a few weeks ago how they did like the House Committee about aliens and stuff like that?
Well, that'll be a separate episode. I can be wrong.
But people then trying to make A.I. videos that were convincing about aliens in some of them, like they didn't fool me.
But I did a double take. I was like, what? Wait a minute.
And I'm somebody that grew up with the Internet. I'm Internet literate.
And then looking at the stuff that like some of my family members were posting and sharing with me, I was like, wait a minute, guys, this is not real.
But it's becoming so convincing that they're blurring the line between reality and what A.I. can make.
Yeah. Even just on the spot.
And that's what I'm concerned about is I think going forward as A.I. gets better, whatever reality is, is going to become just as fictional as the Internet.
Yeah. Where there's going to be this reality is just going to be shades of gray. It's going to be blurred lines.
And people aren't going to know what's really happened. Right. And something like that is far more devastating.
Yeah. And with that, I can kind of segue into one last thing I wanted to say. Neuralink. There's a big push.
And I know that Daddy Musk wants us all to have this thing in our heads.
But my God, can you imagine if the majority of the population did have that thing in their head and they all got hacked
and then this fake thing got broadcast to all the neural link and everybody with the neural link just was compelled somehow.
And I know this sounds so tinfoil, Hattie. I don't want it to sound like that. But these are things that we do not know.
These are things we do not understand. But we're still going down that path.
If a neural link is hacked, how far could that hack go?
Well, yeah, I agree with you. That's the brain interface. Oh, yeah.
The thing is, can they override your hippocampus? Can they override certain parts of your brain?
Can it enable or disable your fear response? Can it change your thought process?
And I know it's saying it's just an input, not an output, meaning it's just going to feed you information, not take information.
First of all, I don't believe that for a second. Second of all, I like Elon. I think there's a lot of stuff he's doing that's good.
However, we have zero laws protecting because all of our laws are based on looking at the human body externally.
We've never looked at it internally. The idea that you have the right to your thoughts, your feelings, that kind of thing,
because it never had to be explained before, because obviously hundreds of years ago you have the right to your thoughts and your feelings.
Nobody cared. Right. But now here comes the question.
Are you legally liable for the things you think about or how your body responds to something?
With information. I would be insane to tell them so quick.
Not only that, but here's my second problem. I would be the angriest man on the planet if I had Neuralink
and a fucking McDonald's ad at 3 a.m. in the morning. If somebody hacks that and just puts on some stupid freaking Christmas song,
if they put on Mariah Carey 24-7, I will be honest. I would be in the news for the worst reasons possible.
So I like the idea of Neuralink, I think, for certain people and for people that are like paraplegics,
and people that have medical issues and are veterans, people that really have been through shit.
I love the idea of it for a lot of ways. However, we have no legal protections, they have no legal rights.
And I hate to say it, no matter how much I believe in a company, every single one of them will share your personal and sell your personal information.
If it makes them a profit. Yes. And if Neuralink can listen to what your brain is doing,
if it's going to be able to understand you want to move your arm or move this or have the Internet open,
it has to be able to understand your thought process, at least to some extent, even a vague extent.
So the core question becomes, if you think about doing something that's illegal, can you be held liable for it?
And will it be reported? Here's my other question to you. Because nobody thought you had?
What happens if you can't get health insurance because you think about murder all the time?
I'm being real. What happens if you think about suicide all the time?
What if you think about suicide all the time? You're not really suicidal, but there are some people like,
fuck it, what if I just jumped off the bridge? I don't know about you guys, I'm the kind of person that I am very hyperbolic.
So when I stub my toe, I should just kill myself. I think it's funny because it's just a minor inconvenience of something really stupid,
as opposed to the, hey, I should just off myself.
If you're having a week and you're driving to work and you're thinking, how bad could I do this and not hurt myself if I just drive the car into that centerpiece?
Yeah. Just like that tree looks like it needs a hug.
Like, it's just sometimes, you know, I just happen to be driving. I'm not really factoring that into my...
But I guess that's my question of like, if they're able to access what your brain is doing and then have an AI analyze it at all times,
are you then really able to have any rights? And I guess my question becomes, and this is more of like a philosophical question,
are you even still human at that point?
Right. Is that the point where we hit the singularity and we merge with AI to the point where we're no longer a human species?
We're a cyborg species?
Yeah, we're a mechanically dependent species where...
I guess the question becomes, if it changes, if that changes your idea of free will, then are you really the same?
And I don't know, it worries me because I see no guarantees. And don't get me wrong, there's a lot of good it can do, but I find it terrifying.
Oh yeah, absolutely.
And for the people that it helps, I hope it helps and I hope it does really well, but I wonder how many people it's also going to screw over and how many people are going to be hurt by it.
Right.
Especially, and mind you, this is in America where like, granted our legal system isn't the best, but at least to protect some people,
convert this into what happens in China when it gets reverse engineered and they basically lobotomize people and turn them into...
The best way to do it is don't complain.
Yeah, well I hate to...
But that concerns me because they have a history of taking anything that's built in the West and making a cheaper version of it and look at their automotive industry and not doing a good job at it.
Right.
And that's terrifying because as soon as Tesla, as soon as Elon Musk puts out the Neuralink, give it a couple of years, they're going to say, oh, they're starting experiments and tests in China, and that is really what's going to be an issue.
Yeah, that's where we're going to get the first big issues from coming out of China.
Because what happens to all the people that reject the surgery or the body rejects the surgery or the brain rejects it?
Are you just going to end up with a mass population of people that are half brain dead or essentially lobotomize or essentially have other issues?
Yeah, where's that going to go?
Yeah, and that's a country that's already collapsing under its own healthcare weight.
So, yeah, another topic for another day.
So, at the end of the day, there are two questions you have to ask when it comes to the AI field.
Are we as humans playing God?
And if so, are we capable of doing it right?
I'll speak on behalf of some humans saying we're really going to fucking things up.
Yes, we are.
So I would not bet on that.
We're trying to play with play God here.
Right.
And I feel like we're getting getting a little too close.
Like, it's one thing if you had computers with limits and we had a lot more study and more stuff done, but we don't.
Yeah, I personally feel that we have opened Pandora's box on this thing and there is no closing it.
The genie is out of the lamp, there is no going back and the only thing we can do is go forward and try to have as good of a control as we can.
Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
Yeah, I hate to say it, but that that might be the case.
I mean, we'll see what happens.
And this is like obviously a topic that over the course of the future, we're going to touch back on if we see any updates.
But oh, yeah.
You know, it would be one of the reoccurring.
Hell, yeah.
I don't know. It's just for medical.
I think I agree with I think for medical and for industrial purposes.
Sure.
But when it comes to like recreational and other stuff, boy.
No, thank you.
Yeah, it's scary.
We can't play God.
We can't play God like now.
And I'm like, I'm sure there's people that are very pro and I understand why.
But I'm just not ready for the 3 a.m. ads.
I'm not ready.
I'm not ready to have my dreams be mine.
I saw that episode of Futurama.
I do not want underwear ads in my sleep.
Thank you very much.
Oh, my God.
Oh, just the you ever have like I know you're in the age bracket where like you're up at like two or three.
I mean, you see like George Lopez and like all the other like random shows that were playing.
I am not that old, dammit.
And I don't have cable, so I don't have that shit on.
Oh, well, anyway.
So so so for the rest of us people like if you ever were up at like midnight or two a.m.
like this is like 10, 20 years ago and they always had like the late night shows that were playing that were just random.
I am really terrified of with a.i.
What happens if you leave YouTube running or you leave something going or God forbid you get one of those like creepy pasta.
I told you about the subliminal messages.
Shit.
You thought I was kidding.
That would be.
Oh, my God.
Maybe maybe.
And then it switches over to subliminal mode.
Yeah, they're not schizophrenics.
The neural link just won't shut up.
That would be great bumper sticker sticker about schizophrenic.
I just have no.
Oh, shit.
Well, I think we've.
Hopefully terrified the shit out of some people by now.
For those people that like surviving and having their brain intact, I'm pretty sure they're they're they're scared.
For those people that want the neural link, I wish you the best of luck, though.
Yeah, I don't know if I would or not.
I guess after watching a few tens of thousands of people, I would maybe consider it if there was a good reason to.
One reason I would do it is if it allowed the option for a digital afterlife.
And that's something we will talk about in a future episode.
Oh, God, yeah, that's a yes.
Give me that.
Let me let me upload my consciousness into some games.
I think that is a sign of the discussion.
You and I are 100 percent on different sides.
Yes, sir.
Because I just knew I actually have to avoid talking about this or else I will just start going out of time.
Right.
I just want to be able to harass my my kids, my grandkids and my 50 generations down relatives into infinity.
Why do I have the feeling I would hear the phrase that I quote and I quote, Dad, why is grandpa tea bagging my dead body on Halo?
Like, why do I feel like something like that?
Oh, yes.
Yes, indeed.
I would be that person.
She's.
Oh, God, that's in the future with video games and everything else, especially with VR, the way things are going, it's going to get weird.
I hope so.
I'm ready for it.
Bring on the weird.
Oh, my God.
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