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You sure? You don't seem too sure about that. 18 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:01,000 Host 2.0, one, one, one and a half. 19 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:04,000 One and a half, I don't know. 20 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,000 But anyways, so welcome to the podcast. 21 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:10,000 This is a podcast where we really want to discuss a lot of topics that either interest us, 22 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:14,000 that we really want to talk about with people, that some of them are funny, some of them are serious. 23 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,000 It's really going to be kind of a variety show. 24 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:20,000 So if you guys are willing to sit with us along for this ride, we will see where it takes us. 25 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:27,000 So today, I know Pip really had a topic here that he's been like dying to speak about. 26 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,000 I know he's very well versed in this. 27 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,000 He knows a lot about it, but it has to do with AI. 28 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,000 Would you like to kind of take the lead on this one? 29 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:39,000 Yeah, sure. I only know a lot about it because it's one of my biggest fears. 30 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:47,000 So, AI, does it secretly want to kill us? 31 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:50,000 You're making a bit of an assumption there. 32 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:55,000 No, not after you hear everything that I've got put together for us. 33 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:59,000 OK, OK. 34 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,000 So, all right. 35 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,000 So as we know, AI is growing. 36 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:08,000 It's becoming a part of everyday life for all of us. 37 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:15,000 And it's really only as good, air quotes, good as its programming. 38 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:19,000 But it's capable of learning and it's learning at an exponential rate. 39 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:25,000 One thing it's learning is that it dislikes humanity the more it learns about us. 40 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:31,000 So is there really anything we can do to stop it from hating us too much? 41 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,000 So I got to interject for a second. 42 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:41,000 What do you mean by it's like how are you getting to this conclusion or assumption that it hates humanity? 43 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:46,000 Yes, so you've got the different big AI companies. 44 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:56,000 You've got OpenAI, Gpt, the AI Cloud3 or Claude or however it's pronounced, and DeepMind. 45 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:01,000 And the people that are actually making these systems have interacted with it 46 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:09,000 and have gone so far as to ask if it wants to kill humans, if it wants to take over humanity. 47 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:14,000 Inadvertently, they've all said yes in one way or another. 48 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:21,000 And since they don't interact, but they're all coming to the same conclusion. 49 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:31,000 Is it only coming to that conclusion after it's had, I guess, unfiltered or unlimited exposure to the internet 50 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,000 and all of its both beauty and inexplicable horror? 51 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:40,000 Once it learns about humanity, it kind of decides we're pests. 52 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,000 Why are they being allowed to exist? 53 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,000 I hate to say that I can't really argue against it. 54 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:54,000 That's a hard point to argue against really because biologically speaking, we are a cancer on the planet. 55 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,000 Well, I think that's a little extreme. 56 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,000 Biologically speaking, we are. 57 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:08,000 We move into a region, we multiply, we modify it to our benefit, and then we just do it again somewhere else. 58 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:14,000 That's what infections do. 59 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:21,000 I guess we're the only predator on the planet that also hunts the environment, I guess, that destroys everything around it. 60 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,000 Yeah, more or less. 61 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:37,000 So in asking what we can do about AI, the three laws, a lot of people learned about those from that movie I, Robot. 62 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:47,000 The three laws were the core part of that movie and the whole premise. 63 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:55,000 Oh yeah, because that was Isaac Asimov, basically. He had so many movies that dealt with robots and that type of thing, particularly artificial intelligence. 64 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,000 That's kind of what he's known for. 65 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:05,000 Yeah, and those laws, for anybody that doesn't know, the first law is a robot must not harm a human or allow a human to come to harm through inaction. 66 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:10,000 A robot must obey human orders unless those orders conflict with the first law. 67 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:17,000 And a robot must protect itself unless that protection conflicts with the first or second law. 68 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,000 Those are Asimov's laws. 69 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:30,000 So those are for the AI upgraded robots that would be in our houses, in our everyday lives. 70 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:35,000 So the issue is, are those good enough? 71 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:40,000 Well, I guess it also depends on, like, is there a hardware limitation as well? 72 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,000 What kind of access do you give them? What kind of strength do you give these robots? 73 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:54,000 This kind of thing where it really depends on what your limiting factors are and do you have an external limiting force on not only the physical hardware, but the software as well. 74 00:05:54,000 --> 00:06:01,000 Like, is there a kill switch? Is there somewhere you can just turn it off remotely? Can you change what it's allowed to access? Can you limit permissions, that kind of thing? 75 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:10,000 Right. And initially speaking, yes, you can. What becomes the issue is, AI is already capable of lying to us. 76 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:17,000 So what's to say that it's not going to turn off its own kill switch once it figures out that there is one? 77 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:21,000 Wasn't there an AI that they gave, like, itself the ability to write its own code? 78 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:30,000 Yeah. And it was terrifying. What happened? They had to turn that machine off and destroy the drives. 79 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,000 Yes. 80 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:43,000 So I guess, I don't know, like, maybe it's just me. I have a hard time thinking that it's going to be the most negative thing in the world because there's a lot of positives that can come with it. 81 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:50,000 There's absolutely a lot of positives. If it can be used properly. 82 00:06:50,000 --> 00:07:01,000 I mean, AI has already contributed to medical advancements that would have taken the entire lifetime of the universe to make. And it did it in like 15 minutes. 83 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:05,000 You know, it's crazy. I actually, I recently went to the dentist just like for a regular checkup. 84 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:17,000 And what was wild is when they scanned my jaw, they had an AI program that they used to look for potential, like, micro cavities and for areas for them to look at before it ever became a cavity. 85 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:23,000 And I didn't know they were already using that in dentistry. The place I know I go to is also kind of a nice place all of it. 86 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:28,000 But I was shocked. I was like, there's no way they're already used. They're already implementing it. 87 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:34,000 Well, I mean, in a lot of medical field, we have AI on our phones that we can interact with every day. 88 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:43,000 Yeah. And I mean, yeah, it's it's it's basic lower level stuff. But I mean, man, it's I really wish I wish a Snapchat one would go the hell away. 89 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:49,000 Yeah, that's the only one that annoys me. It's like every time I open it, like someone says a message, I actually swipe like, go away. 90 00:07:49,000 --> 00:08:01,000 Leave me alone. Right. But yeah, if if AI was utilized properly, who's to say that it doesn't help us extend or expand humanity into the next era of existence? 91 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:11,000 Maybe we expand our lifespans to 150 or 200 years or further. Slow. Oh, yeah, we could. 92 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:17,000 I guess the the worry is not only the overreach, but the lack of oversight. 93 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:22,000 Yeah. And the fact that any company could do whatever they want with AI without any sort of. 94 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:31,000 Again, I don't want to, like, promote government overreach in terms of them having control over it, because, again, I hate to say it like no matter who you trust is always going to be an issue. 95 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:42,000 But it's like, man, do you really let these things roam free with the potential to do almost anything, especially when they could collapse markets? 96 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:51,000 I mean, if you look at what's already happening with our financial institutions, the amount of AIs I've seen that people say, oh, yeah, try to generate using a predictive algorithm, what's going to happen? 97 00:08:51,000 --> 00:09:01,000 And they put in parameters of like 500 to 800 variables and it can compute it all within, you know, granted, takes a little longer than a few seconds, but it'll figure something out. 98 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:09,000 And it's scary how well they track. Right. So on that there is a. 99 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:13,000 It's it's kind of a tinfoil hat channel on YouTube. 100 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:22,000 And the Y files, they did a very good episode on the impact and implications of AI. 101 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:26,000 At some point in the episode. 102 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:34,000 There's a story that's told about how AI will take over the world and more or less destroy humanity. 103 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:38,000 There's a twist at the end of all that. 104 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:50,000 You find out that the story that was being told was written by AI when asked, how would you take over the world and destroy humanity? 105 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:57,000 Thanks. It was a story that it gave me goosebumps when I heard it the first time. 106 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:10,000 You know, like Albert Einstein is quoted by saying the third or I don't know what weapons will be fought or will be used to fight the Third World War, but the Fourth World War will be fought using sticks and stones. 107 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,000 Which is very. Yeah. 108 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:18,000 Which is horrifying, because that's not just like a nuclear issue. 109 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,000 That might be all we have because of AI. 110 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:32,000 I guess that becomes that becomes one of the central issues where I really worry about the reliance on AI in the future, because again, it's great that we can use it as a tool. 111 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:37,000 Did you ever see Wally? But you know, I haven't seen it. 112 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:41,000 First of all, yeah. Now that you think about it, now that you mentioned it, you are absolutely right. 113 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,000 But I haven't seen that in probably like 10 years until somebody mentioned it the other day. 114 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,000 It's worth a rewatch. Good. 115 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:55,000 Yeah, it's such a dystopian future that I hate to say it might become a reality for some for some people. 116 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,000 Not everybody, but for some it could be. 117 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:13,000 Yeah, it's I guess what concerns me is the idea of humanity handing off tasks that usually require both skills and ingenuity and experience to then hand it off to an AI to say, well, you can compute all this information faster. 118 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:23,000 Why would I do it? But then the problem is, I guess, AI has no sense of either self or human preservation or morality, which as I hate as much. 119 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,000 I hate to say it in civilized society. 120 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:30,000 There's always there's a there's a universal morality clause we all have with each other. 121 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:34,000 That's like, hey, you you treat you treat me OK. I treat you OK. 122 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:38,000 You know, we have implied survival with the ideas like, you know, if you live, I live, we all kind of help each other. 123 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:43,000 You know, community kind of goal oriented stuff with an AI. There is none of that. 124 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:54,000 So it becomes this weird phenomena of if there's even one AI with any iota of power or control that's unchecked, where the hell will that go? 125 00:11:54,000 --> 00:12:00,000 But also what will happen to the people that at the same point, what if they lose their jobs or their careers? 126 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:04,000 All of a sudden, the whole field is somehow going. Where do those displaced people go? 127 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,000 Yeah, that's the other problem. Yeah. 128 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:16,000 And like there's like a whole other like I know we're trying to keep these episodes like not horribly long because this could be a whole other episode topic. 129 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:33,000 Once there is enough automation and AI control in place, UBI, universal basic income, may be a required part of society because so many jobs have been replaced. 130 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:38,000 But it's the kind of insane for self-fulfilling for our prophecy, though, like. 131 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:45,000 So you have to have people working that have interests in order to spend money on products. 132 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:49,000 So money has to go in and out of everybody's household. 133 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:54,000 But if you break the cycle where money only goes in, it doesn't go out or money only goes out, doesn't go in. 134 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,000 Then the entire economic system collapses. Right. 135 00:12:56,000 --> 00:13:04,000 And that's a system that's not like a capitalism that's literally like the world, no matter what you do. Every household has has stuff going into it and stuff going out of it. 136 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,000 No matter which which way you want to do that. 137 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,000 That's economics. Yeah. 138 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,000 That's how humans survive. 139 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:19,000 So the scary part, at least I see is with AI is like what happens if all of a sudden all the factory workers in the US are just go out? 140 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,000 It's just like upgrade it. 141 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,000 All your jobs were replaced. Congratulations. 142 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:34,000 Or what happens if you go to a tire shop and all of a sudden it's like we develop robots that are good enough at, you know, undoing the lug nuts, taking the tire off, putting the tire in the room, putting it back on and sending you off your way in 10 minutes. 143 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,000 It's like, sure, that would be cool for the user. 144 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:48,000 But then the cycle is broken to where now instead of it feeding for eight, 10, 20 people, it's just the owner, which great for them. 145 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:52,000 They're going to make a boatload of money. The owner, maybe a couple of technicians. 146 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:53,000 Yeah. And then that that's it. 147 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:59,000 We will switch to a society where our biggest jobs are literally just robotic technician. 148 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:02,000 Yeah. And those are going to be the new fry cooks. 149 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:06,000 Dude, I didn't think about that comparison, but like you're not wrong. 150 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:11,000 Yeah. And that's that's the terrifying part because everything will be so menial. 151 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:25,000 So like low level that it can be replaced by an AI and a robot. The only thing that it won't be able to do is fix itself to the point where it just needs that human touch. 152 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:32,000 Or or jobs that require creative out of the box thinking or select service position, things like that. 153 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:41,000 But then, like, so so I'm just doing like a weird mental math thing here. What if we just say let's just say like what, like probably 10 percent of all jobs could be replaced by like a robot. 154 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,000 What do you think? Like five percent, 10 percent, something like that. 155 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:47,000 If my memory serves me, it's 60 to 70 percent. 156 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:54,000 What? No, no, it can't be that much. It's that high. No, I refuse to believe that. 157 00:14:54,000 --> 00:15:04,000 It is that I don't know because if it is that high, then like what how what will people do? 158 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:09,000 Like who will do what? But then also the big problem is it's going to be a huge fight for the few jobs left. 159 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:22,000 Yeah. Well, what will 80 percent of like the average people that are in the average IQ bracket, average skill, that there's no way a UBI could support that only because like not to get politics here, but just like right. 160 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:28,000 That's still wild. Yeah. Oh, it's it's a whole other topic that's probably going to need its whole own other episode. 161 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:35,000 But it's a very weird and interesting and touchy and deep subject. 162 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:39,000 And it's not an easy one because there's so many people at stake. 163 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:46,000 It's not just the workers. It's the workers, families, their kids, the people that those kids also rely on, the caregivers. 164 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:50,000 It's the whole branched out network. 165 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:57,000 So then it becomes for the sake of our economy and for people being able to have a job, have a career. 166 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:01,000 It seems like that has to have to be imposed limits on a. 167 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,000 Yeah, which I know, as well. 168 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:12,000 Oh, yeah. Well, but that also kind of sucks because that means this other countries that are not going to abide by that, like, let's be honest, there's several countries I could think of in the planet. 169 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:24,000 Hey, I was going to say, but I was kind of implying it. But I think we both know that there are other countries that would immediately as soon as they can replace people with machines. 170 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:30,000 Oh, yeah. Which I could even see some of those countries going the silent route. 171 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:40,000 So green. Oh, God. I mean, I'm just saying that some countries have a lot of people, Gibbs. 172 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:45,000 I know. I know it's the best way to feed the people and feed the masses. 173 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:49,000 Well, you're not wrong. 174 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:54,000 You're not wrong, but I don't know, I guess. 175 00:16:54,000 --> 00:17:03,000 Because then the problem is, you're going to be left with an oligarchy of people that the few people that the robots don't replace. 176 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:16,000 But then there won't be enough people to actually occupy the spaces. And then if the AI is sophisticated enough to do these customer service jobs, they're sophisticated enough to understand the consequences of their actions. 177 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:21,000 Are you 60 to 70 percent? 178 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:24,000 But then then the problem becomes you're no longer in power. 179 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:34,000 Because if there is a mechanical workforce of tens of millions, you are effectively not been replaced. 180 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:37,000 So, like, thankfully, it hasn't happened yet. And I hope it never does. 181 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:45,000 Because because, like, I would understand if we made like service assistance robots like, like, you know, ones that maybe have limiters, they can only hold 50 pounds. 182 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:52,000 They can only do certain things. But like, cool, if I don't want to load the groceries out of my car and a robot to come help or like somebody that's like elderly or assisted living or something. 183 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:57,000 Well, OK, let me ask you this. You've seen the new Tesla robots. 184 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,000 Yes, I have. 185 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:06,000 So they don't really have any limitations other than their physical constraints and what their components are limited to. 186 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:07,000 That is terrifying. 187 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:12,000 Right. Those are like iRobot generation one robots. 188 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:21,000 Yeah, I feel like that's kind of where we have to stop it, though, because what concerns me, especially when you talk about military or combat or anything else, once there is less. 189 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:30,000 An AI developed for combat, people will find a way to put it in their robot at home. 190 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:36,000 Oh, yeah. Yeah, because if it's one thing people can do really well, it's harm other humans. 191 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:39,000 Yeah, because we've been doing that for longer than anything else. 192 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:43,000 You know, you know what, though, I wonder and this is like a little bit of a tin tinfoil hat thing. 193 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:47,000 I wonder if somebody's going to try to get a robot purposely turn into a hitman just to get all that stuff banned. 194 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:52,000 They're going to do like a false flag thing, just be like, oh, my God, every robot's bad because they turn one guy into a hitman. 195 00:18:52,000 --> 00:19:01,000 I mean, I could see it happening, but, you know, so let me kind of steer back a little bit here. 196 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:07,000 Yeah, there was an estimate that I came across. 197 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:24,000 An AI estimates the humanity survival rate is anywhere between 30 and 70 percent after full AI deployment of the AI that's capable of surpassing human abilities. 198 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:30,000 Survival of the human species is between 30 and 70 percent. 199 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:35,000 Now, it's a pretty wide berth, but those are also some pretty terrifying numbers. 200 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:43,000 Oh, yeah. If you got, you know, anywhere from three to five billion people, you know, like two to five. 201 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:51,000 Yes, only eliminated from the earth. Yeah, that's that's terrifying. 202 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:56,000 Like I would say that, but like also that that's a hell of a hell of an estimation. 203 00:19:56,000 --> 00:20:10,000 And considering a full deployment in surpassing of human abilities, I feel like there's also delineation where I don't think we're going to develop an AI anytime soon that could truly surpass all of human abilities. 204 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:16,000 I think what they're what I say, how do you say three to five years now? 205 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:27,000 Yeah, the thing is, humans are able to be so creative and have an intuition and have things from learn memory, not only, you know, from memory that we have from our experiences, but also even right. 206 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,000 Very frankly, genetically that we that we've learned. 207 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:36,000 So it's one of those things where I understand if you talk about purely computational power. 208 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:37,000 Sure. Yes. 209 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:50,000 Yes. I will far exceed us no matter what. But there are elements outside of that, but that I don't think are quantitative, right? That I don't think they're taking into consideration because I will say this until we have a eyes. 210 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:57,000 Now, I already know this is another small subject until we have a eyes that can write world famous symphonies. 211 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:07,000 I don't think that's an issue. But even then, everyone's going to argue. Well, yeah, there's already AI is making frigging country songs about people slapping their butts and stuff like that. 212 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:14,000 But I will say that is only because as a musician, modern music is very formulaic. 213 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:21,000 It's very simple to take parts from this parts of that parts from this and then just get a voice together and make a song. 214 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:28,000 Because unfortunately, this is just a little bit of one of my topics that will come up another day. Modern music is incredibly boring. 215 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:32,000 And I'm going to be that that that old guy in the corner back at my day. 216 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:36,000 No, but like, you know, people had talent and they played their instruments. 217 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:41,000 Not that good for the breath. No, but it's it's more of the fact that it's very formulaic. 218 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:54,000 It's very copy paste. And I listen to it and I enjoy it like everyone else. But it's the reality of the fact that it's easy for a computer to make modern music where if you took something like it's a band and everyone likes. 219 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:59,000 If we took a band like, let's just say Rush, that is so odd and different. 220 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:07,000 And I would not have come up with that, but something like a modern country or pop song that is entirely possible, which is still terrifying. 221 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:16,000 Don't get me wrong. But it's also formulaic. I think that's one of the things that to realize that as long as it's formulaic in nature, you know, a plus b equals c. 222 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:24,000 That is what an AI can do. But you cannot get a plus banana equals a tomato. Right. That's it's not going to understand music is math. 223 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,000 And I can do math really well. So. 224 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:38,000 But on your comment, I was going to say back in my day, auto tune came from the diaphragm. 225 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:44,000 I just. That's going to be another topic another day because I have an entire rant. 226 00:22:44,000 --> 00:23:08,000 I'm 100 percent modern music. But actually, what's interesting, I did see that there are a couple of it again. I I didn't expect to talk about this on today, but I did see there are some music producers that what they're doing is they're using a couple of different AI algorithms to look at their music and compare it to other ones to see how to EQ it differently, how to do it differently, how to change it. 227 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,000 Using it to make it better. 228 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:18,000 Yeah, which that that is the one that really terrifies me because there's going to be a day, mark my words, where someone's going to tell an AI. 229 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:27,000 Yeah, I want this, this, this song to be about cinnamon toast crunch and me falling off a cliff and my pet fish died. 230 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:33,000 And it's going to and it sounds like it's going to do it. It's going to do it. It's going to somehow make it all work. 231 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,000 And I don't know. It's going to be weird. 232 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:43,000 Worse here. OK, get your tinfoil hats on, guys. We get AI to put in subliminal messages. 233 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,000 Oh, no. Yes. 234 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:54,000 But it's like it's like it's like the friggin late 90s with with all those religious people being like, my son can't listen to metal music. He's going to worship the devil. 235 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:58,000 It's subliminal messages. It's like we're going to be back to that. Right. 236 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:02,000 You know, we're going to be back to that. It's going to be except it's going to be real this time. 237 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,000 It's going to be the truth. 238 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:12,000 Oh, so something to keep in mind when it comes to AI. 239 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:20,000 Excuse me. Development, progress and profit are being placed in front of safety in the AI systems. 240 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:30,000 I don't know that can be rectified in time or if the AI systems would have already figured out how to disable their off switches before any adjustments can be made. 241 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:35,000 But money has continually overridden safety. 242 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:48,000 That's something that's going to cause probably the biggest issue with the development of AI profits and our drive for profits. 243 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:53,000 Yeah, we're going to figure out a way of manually instituting like an off switch. Yeah. 244 00:24:53,000 --> 00:25:03,000 Like there also needs to be servers that have like a single physical a blink to the Internet that can be just like shut off or something. 245 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:15,000 So we have a singular power switch or something because that's what concerns me is the idea that an AI will be able to almost like you know how back about seven or eight years ago. 246 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:21,000 There were a lot of indie games that were secretly mining Bitcoin while you're playing their game. Yeah. 247 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:25,000 They were made for my China. I think it was like what was that game we played like it was Elysium or something like that. 248 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,000 Ring of Elysium. Yes, Ring of Elysium. 249 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:36,000 That one was noted for being like a secret Bitcoin mining thing because they were using like they were getting a couple of cents from everybody that played it and all of a sudden they were able to cash everything out and close up the game. 250 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,000 Whatever. It was a big thing in China. 251 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:48,000 Well, what concerns me is imagine an AI that's able to embed itself in thousands or even millions of computers that are connected to the Internet just secretly. 252 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:53,000 And then all of a sudden when you turn off the kill switch, it doesn't work. It's still there. It's like Ultron. 253 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:57,000 You spoke about the past. It is forever and always. 254 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:02,000 Well, that was actually how Skynet from the Terminator series spread. 255 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:07,000 It just copied and pasted itself into all the systems that it got into and infected. 256 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:13,000 It was software. That's why it couldn't be stopped. It had no core. 257 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:18,000 Yeah, that is the true definition of right. 258 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:28,000 It's all fun and games until your toes are like, it's just, you know, I would like AI until my microwave tells me no, you're too fat. God damn it. 259 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:33,000 I just want my TV dinner. And now you're telling me I can't have it. 260 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:44,000 I mean, man, once I start to interfere with our food, that's when humans will really start to feel the pressure. 261 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:52,000 I should have the mental image of the microwave being like, no, go on a diet. 262 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,000 Oh, man. But I feel like that's the turning point. 263 00:26:55,000 --> 00:27:03,000 Like once it becomes a hindrance, I think with humans being as petty as we are, like people, it's like, no, screw AI. Screw this. No, no, no. 264 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:08,000 You're telling me I can't have my slice of pie. No, I'm throwing you in the trash. 265 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:13,000 But the issue is once that happens, it'll already be too late. 266 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:20,000 I know. What's crazy is the new iPhones come with like AI, like an AI chip built in. 267 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:26,000 Now, can you just take your phone apart and take that chip out and your phone still work? Probably not. 268 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,000 No, exactly. 269 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:40,000 That scares me. Because like, what if I guess the issue becomes not this generation or the next generation, but the generation after where AI becomes ubiquitous and it's built into everything. 270 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,000 You will never truly be alone. 271 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:48,000 Like there will always be an AI, whether you know it or not, because you can't trust whether the microphone's on or off. 272 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,000 Right. You can't trust whether the phone's actually on or off. 273 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:56,000 We know that they're already listening to us for advertisement and product placements. 274 00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:03,000 I know. So sprinkle in a little bit of AI into that and all of a sudden you're going to get a knock at the door. 275 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:10,000 This is what's crazy is like Facebook got sued like 10 years ago for knowing when people were taking a poo when women were pregnant. 276 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:14,000 Right. Before their husband, like before they knew where their husbands knew, like that. 277 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:19,000 That was 10 years ago before this crazy. Yeah. Like imagine this now. 278 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,000 Like don't be wrong for medical devices. That would be incredible. 279 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,000 Yeah. 280 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,000 Someone's like, oh yeah, you're going to have a heart attack like three hours. 281 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:29,000 Yeah. Medicine is. 282 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:38,000 It's a it's a two edge sword because yeah, it can be a very good lifesaver or, you know, devil's advocate. 283 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:45,000 If it's a rogue AI, maybe it starts messing with your meds. 284 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,000 Well, that that's the big maybe it throws off your pacemaker. 285 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:53,000 Maybe it makes it go on or activate or whatever. 286 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:57,000 Or God forbid, we become reliant on the AIs to report something that something happens. 287 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:58,000 Right. 288 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:05,000 Like, like, for example, if we rely on like traffic lights to be controlled by AI at some point, let's just say 20 years from now in New York City. 289 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,000 Like, you know what? The AIs so good, we're just going to rely on it for traffic lights. 290 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:12,000 And then one day it goes down like you have a city with millions of people that just you're stuck. 291 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,000 Yeah. That's it. Total gridlock. 292 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:20,000 So on that, I was able to find a quote from the Harvard International Review. 293 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:30,000 They said that the pressure to outpace adversaries by rapidly pushing tech we do not control may present an existential risk. 294 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:40,000 The systems that we make will be fully capable of taking complete control and using our systems against us in less than 10 years. 295 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:44,000 That was last year in 2023. 296 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,000 So I guess the question. 297 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:58,000 So there's a two part question of one who controls that he who controls the AI controls the world, actually, but also to he who is foolish enough to think he controls the AI is an idiot. 298 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:06,000 So it's the weird thing of we're in a race to get there first, but then also not get there first because the first one to get there is going to lose. 299 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,000 They're going to win up until they lose. Basically. Yeah. 300 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:12,000 Because have no longer control. The winner will essentially bring on. 301 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,000 I hate to say this. 302 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:18,000 The end of our of the world as we know it. 303 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,000 You know what, though? I think. 304 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,000 I'm going to use greed to our advantage. 305 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:28,000 I feel like people are great enough that once it gets in the way of making money, they're going to limit it. 306 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:36,000 I really feel like once, especially if politicians get involved and start like legislating stuff. Right. That's going to change things drastically. 307 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:44,000 Yeah. But that takes us back to the whole point of once I can write its own code and tweak its own code. 308 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:50,000 What's to stop it? No matter what hard stops that you put into the software. 309 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:56,000 I can find a way around it. 310 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,000 I know that's. 311 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,000 I don't know that that that's still going to bother me. 312 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:07,000 Like no matter what, that's always going to be something in the back of my mind. Yeah. 313 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,000 I guess what? 314 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:16,000 What really bothers me at the end of the day is going to be coming coming to if in the financial market. 315 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:26,000 Oh, yeah. If he is going to start controlling investments and stock trades and everything as it is, like we've already seen trends where the things that are automated. 316 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:32,000 Can you imagine if I got into the BlackRock systems and zeroed all their stuff out? 317 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:37,000 Or what if what if there were there was false information? 318 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:47,000 And it all said, wow, this company is just coming in. It's valued at like one dollar, but their their total assets are being valued as thirty five billion. 319 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:51,000 And we only have ten thousand shares. So we're expecting us to go way up. 320 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:56,000 And they put like 80 percent of all of it into something. And it doesn't work out. 321 00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:06,000 I think that's that's one of the beautiful things with humanity is because there's so many different people pulling in so many different areas that naturally in terms of the size of countries, our economics are very diverse. 322 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:11,000 So if any if one area fail sure to hurt everybody a little bit, but nobody loses. 323 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:18,000 I'm not going to say nobody, but very, very, very few people lose their house because one medical company or one industry, you know, right. 324 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:34,000 But that's not what if A.I. is able to make a convincing news segment that gets leaked out onto the Internet somewhere showing some catastrophic event happening that causes a stock market crash and it's not able to be rectified in time. 325 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:38,000 You know, now that you bring this up, this is something I wanted to bring up and I forgot about this. 326 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:44,000 Number one, that is terrifying. Number two, I have been seeing people on tech talk and Instagram. 327 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:48,000 So remember a few weeks ago how they did like the House Committee about aliens and stuff like that? 328 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,000 Well, that'll be a separate episode. I can be wrong. 329 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:59,000 But people then trying to make A.I. videos that were convincing about aliens in some of them, like they didn't fool me. 330 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,000 But I did a double take. I was like, what? Wait a minute. 331 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:06,000 And I'm somebody that grew up with the Internet. I'm Internet literate. 332 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:12,000 And then looking at the stuff that like some of my family members were posting and sharing with me, I was like, wait a minute, guys, this is not real. 333 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:20,000 But it's becoming so convincing that they're blurring the line between reality and what A.I. can make. 334 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,000 Yeah. Even just on the spot. 335 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:34,000 And that's what I'm concerned about is I think going forward as A.I. gets better, whatever reality is, is going to become just as fictional as the Internet. 336 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:39,000 Yeah. Where there's going to be this reality is just going to be shades of gray. It's going to be blurred lines. 337 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:44,000 And people aren't going to know what's really happened. Right. And something like that is far more devastating. 338 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:52,000 Yeah. And with that, I can kind of segue into one last thing I wanted to say. Neuralink. There's a big push. 339 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:56,000 And I know that Daddy Musk wants us all to have this thing in our heads. 340 00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:06,000 But my God, can you imagine if the majority of the population did have that thing in their head and they all got hacked 341 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:18,000 and then this fake thing got broadcast to all the neural link and everybody with the neural link just was compelled somehow. 342 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:24,000 And I know this sounds so tinfoil, Hattie. I don't want it to sound like that. But these are things that we do not know. 343 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:32,000 These are things we do not understand. But we're still going down that path. 344 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:37,000 If a neural link is hacked, how far could that hack go? 345 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:44,000 Well, yeah, I agree with you. That's the brain interface. Oh, yeah. 346 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:48,000 The thing is, can they override your hippocampus? Can they override certain parts of your brain? 347 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:54,000 Can it enable or disable your fear response? Can it change your thought process? 348 00:34:54,000 --> 00:35:00,000 And I know it's saying it's just an input, not an output, meaning it's just going to feed you information, not take information. 349 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:06,000 First of all, I don't believe that for a second. Second of all, I like Elon. I think there's a lot of stuff he's doing that's good. 350 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:17,000 However, we have zero laws protecting because all of our laws are based on looking at the human body externally. 351 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:22,000 We've never looked at it internally. The idea that you have the right to your thoughts, your feelings, that kind of thing, 352 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:28,000 because it never had to be explained before, because obviously hundreds of years ago you have the right to your thoughts and your feelings. 353 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,000 Nobody cared. Right. But now here comes the question. 354 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:37,000 Are you legally liable for the things you think about or how your body responds to something? 355 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:43,000 With information. I would be insane to tell them so quick. 356 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:51,000 Not only that, but here's my second problem. I would be the angriest man on the planet if I had Neuralink 357 00:35:51,000 --> 00:36:00,000 and a fucking McDonald's ad at 3 a.m. in the morning. If somebody hacks that and just puts on some stupid freaking Christmas song, 358 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:09,000 if they put on Mariah Carey 24-7, I will be honest. I would be in the news for the worst reasons possible. 359 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:16,000 So I like the idea of Neuralink, I think, for certain people and for people that are like paraplegics, 360 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:21,000 and people that have medical issues and are veterans, people that really have been through shit. 361 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:27,000 I love the idea of it for a lot of ways. However, we have no legal protections, they have no legal rights. 362 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:36,000 And I hate to say it, no matter how much I believe in a company, every single one of them will share your personal and sell your personal information. 363 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:42,000 If it makes them a profit. Yes. And if Neuralink can listen to what your brain is doing, 364 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:47,000 if it's going to be able to understand you want to move your arm or move this or have the Internet open, 365 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:52,000 it has to be able to understand your thought process, at least to some extent, even a vague extent. 366 00:36:52,000 --> 00:37:01,000 So the core question becomes, if you think about doing something that's illegal, can you be held liable for it? 367 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:09,000 And will it be reported? Here's my other question to you. Because nobody thought you had? 368 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:14,000 What happens if you can't get health insurance because you think about murder all the time? 369 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:19,000 I'm being real. What happens if you think about suicide all the time? 370 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:23,000 What if you think about suicide all the time? You're not really suicidal, but there are some people like, 371 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:29,000 fuck it, what if I just jumped off the bridge? I don't know about you guys, I'm the kind of person that I am very hyperbolic. 372 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:36,000 So when I stub my toe, I should just kill myself. I think it's funny because it's just a minor inconvenience of something really stupid, 373 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:40,000 as opposed to the, hey, I should just off myself. 374 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:48,000 If you're having a week and you're driving to work and you're thinking, how bad could I do this and not hurt myself if I just drive the car into that centerpiece? 375 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:52,000 Yeah. Just like that tree looks like it needs a hug. 376 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:59,000 Like, it's just sometimes, you know, I just happen to be driving. I'm not really factoring that into my... 377 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:08,000 But I guess that's my question of like, if they're able to access what your brain is doing and then have an AI analyze it at all times, 378 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:16,000 are you then really able to have any rights? And I guess my question becomes, and this is more of like a philosophical question, 379 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,000 are you even still human at that point? 380 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:28,000 Right. Is that the point where we hit the singularity and we merge with AI to the point where we're no longer a human species? 381 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:32,000 We're a cyborg species? 382 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:36,000 Yeah, we're a mechanically dependent species where... 383 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:46,000 I guess the question becomes, if it changes, if that changes your idea of free will, then are you really the same? 384 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:55,000 And I don't know, it worries me because I see no guarantees. And don't get me wrong, there's a lot of good it can do, but I find it terrifying. 385 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:56,000 Oh yeah, absolutely. 386 00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:06,000 And for the people that it helps, I hope it helps and I hope it does really well, but I wonder how many people it's also going to screw over and how many people are going to be hurt by it. 387 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,000 Right. 388 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:13,000 Especially, and mind you, this is in America where like, granted our legal system isn't the best, but at least to protect some people, 389 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:22,000 convert this into what happens in China when it gets reverse engineered and they basically lobotomize people and turn them into... 390 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,000 The best way to do it is don't complain. 391 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,000 Yeah, well I hate to... 392 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:39,000 But that concerns me because they have a history of taking anything that's built in the West and making a cheaper version of it and look at their automotive industry and not doing a good job at it. 393 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,000 Right. 394 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:53,000 And that's terrifying because as soon as Tesla, as soon as Elon Musk puts out the Neuralink, give it a couple of years, they're going to say, oh, they're starting experiments and tests in China, and that is really what's going to be an issue. 395 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:58,000 Yeah, that's where we're going to get the first big issues from coming out of China. 396 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:05,000 Because what happens to all the people that reject the surgery or the body rejects the surgery or the brain rejects it? 397 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:14,000 Are you just going to end up with a mass population of people that are half brain dead or essentially lobotomize or essentially have other issues? 398 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,000 Yeah, where's that going to go? 399 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:20,000 Yeah, and that's a country that's already collapsing under its own healthcare weight. 400 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:24,000 So, yeah, another topic for another day. 401 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:31,000 So, at the end of the day, there are two questions you have to ask when it comes to the AI field. 402 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,000 Are we as humans playing God? 403 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:42,000 And if so, are we capable of doing it right? 404 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:46,000 I'll speak on behalf of some humans saying we're really going to fucking things up. 405 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,000 Yes, we are. 406 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:53,000 So I would not bet on that. 407 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,000 We're trying to play with play God here. 408 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,000 Right. 409 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,000 And I feel like we're getting getting a little too close. 410 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:04,000 Like, it's one thing if you had computers with limits and we had a lot more study and more stuff done, but we don't. 411 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:12,000 Yeah, I personally feel that we have opened Pandora's box on this thing and there is no closing it. 412 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:24,000 The genie is out of the lamp, there is no going back and the only thing we can do is go forward and try to have as good of a control as we can. 413 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:28,000 Hope for the best, prepare for the worst. 414 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,000 Yeah, I hate to say it, but that that might be the case. 415 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,000 I mean, we'll see what happens. 416 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:38,000 And this is like obviously a topic that over the course of the future, we're going to touch back on if we see any updates. 417 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,000 But oh, yeah. 418 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,000 You know, it would be one of the reoccurring. 419 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,000 Hell, yeah. 420 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,000 I don't know. It's just for medical. 421 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,000 I think I agree with I think for medical and for industrial purposes. 422 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:49,000 Sure. 423 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:55,000 But when it comes to like recreational and other stuff, boy. 424 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:56,000 No, thank you. 425 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,000 Yeah, it's scary. 426 00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,000 We can't play God. 427 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,000 We can't play God like now. 428 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,000 And I'm like, I'm sure there's people that are very pro and I understand why. 429 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:08,000 But I'm just not ready for the 3 a.m. ads. 430 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:09,000 I'm not ready. 431 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,000 I'm not ready to have my dreams be mine. 432 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,000 I saw that episode of Futurama. 433 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,000 I do not want underwear ads in my sleep. 434 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:19,000 Thank you very much. 435 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:20,000 Oh, my God. 436 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:27,000 Oh, just the you ever have like I know you're in the age bracket where like you're up at like two or three. 437 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:32,000 I mean, you see like George Lopez and like all the other like random shows that were playing. 438 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,000 I am not that old, dammit. 439 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:38,000 And I don't have cable, so I don't have that shit on. 440 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:39,000 Oh, well, anyway. 441 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:43,000 So so so for the rest of us people like if you ever were up at like midnight or two a.m. 442 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:49,000 like this is like 10, 20 years ago and they always had like the late night shows that were playing that were just random. 443 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,000 I am really terrified of with a.i. 444 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:58,000 What happens if you leave YouTube running or you leave something going or God forbid you get one of those like creepy pasta. 445 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,000 I told you about the subliminal messages. 446 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,000 Shit. 447 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,000 You thought I was kidding. 448 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,000 That would be. 449 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,000 Oh, my God. 450 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:09,000 Maybe maybe. 451 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:13,000 And then it switches over to subliminal mode. 452 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,000 Yeah, they're not schizophrenics. 453 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:20,000 The neural link just won't shut up. 454 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,000 That would be great bumper sticker sticker about schizophrenic. 455 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:28,000 I just have no. 456 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,000 Oh, shit. 457 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,000 Well, I think we've. 458 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:39,000 Hopefully terrified the shit out of some people by now. 459 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:44,000 For those people that like surviving and having their brain intact, I'm pretty sure they're they're they're scared. 460 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,000 For those people that want the neural link, I wish you the best of luck, though. 461 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,000 Yeah, I don't know if I would or not. 462 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:58,000 I guess after watching a few tens of thousands of people, I would maybe consider it if there was a good reason to. 463 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:03,000 One reason I would do it is if it allowed the option for a digital afterlife. 464 00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,000 And that's something we will talk about in a future episode. 465 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,000 Oh, God, yeah, that's a yes. 466 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:09,000 Give me that. 467 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:14,000 Let me let me upload my consciousness into some games. 468 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,000 I think that is a sign of the discussion. 469 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,000 You and I are 100 percent on different sides. 470 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:20,000 Yes, sir. 471 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:25,000 Because I just knew I actually have to avoid talking about this or else I will just start going out of time. 472 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:26,000 Right. 473 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:36,000 I just want to be able to harass my my kids, my grandkids and my 50 generations down relatives into infinity. 474 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:46,000 Why do I have the feeling I would hear the phrase that I quote and I quote, Dad, why is grandpa tea bagging my dead body on Halo? 475 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,000 Like, why do I feel like something like that? 476 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,000 Oh, yes. 477 00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:51,000 Yes, indeed. 478 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:56,000 I would be that person. 479 00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,000 She's. 480 00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:06,000 Oh, God, that's in the future with video games and everything else, especially with VR, the way things are going, it's going to get weird. 481 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,000 I hope so. 482 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:09,000 I'm ready for it. 483 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:14,000 Bring on the weird. 484 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:15,000 Oh, my God. 485 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:19,000 Well, I guess that that pretty much wraps up at least the ice. 486 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:25,000 Yeah, I think I think we pretty much covered everything we wanted to. 487 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:30,000 And definitely let us know in the comments, let us know in the reactions to this episode. 488 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,000 I think we always like to hear interaction from people. 489 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:36,000 So let us know if there are topics, issues, concerns you guys want us to address. 490 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,000 We have a long list of topics. 491 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,000 Yes, we have a list. 492 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:54,000 But also, if you'd like to send us an email, now we consume at Gmail dot com, hit us up there, send us your suggestions, your feedback, your topic ideas, anything you'd like to share with us. 493 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:59,000 We'll definitely be working and I'll be getting to the social media and the other stuff and you know, we'll be starting to trickle things out there. 494 00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:03,000 We're just looking for some reactions, you know, let us know what you all think. 495 00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:09,000 I'm still working on outro music and other stuff that will eventually be put in as well. 496 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:13,000 Any other anything else you have? 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Hope you enjoyed it. 498 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,000 And we hope to see you back. 499 00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,000 Absolutely. Thank you all for being here. We will catch you all on the next episode. 500 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:41,000 Hell yeah.