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Hello, and welcome to the Spotlight Vancouver podcast.

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I am your host, Doug Varinas, licensed real estate agent in Washington and Oregon.

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And today on the show, it's just me.

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We're going to talk about the housing market in Vancouver.

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And then I'd like to go over some common objections and barriers to home ownership

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and how we might overcome them.

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So if you're new here, welcome.

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I appreciate you watching and listening.

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The feedback I've gotten has been tremendous.

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So thank you very much.

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As of recording right now, we are in Snowpocalypse in the Portland metro

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area in Vancouver.

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There is a dusting of snow.

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Schools have been shut down.

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Facilities have been shut down.

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Thoughts and prayers and hashtag Vancouver strong.

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We will rebuild.

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Believe me, we are a strong community and we will get through this dusting of snow we have.

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I actually sent some pictures to my in-laws who live in northern Minnesota

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and told them about our school closure and they think it's hilarious.

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So that's where we're at.

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But if you are out there, do stay safe because when these things do happen,

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people kind of drive crazy and things get a little wacky.

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So do take care.

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So a little bit on the Vancouver housing market, some numbers for you that I have here.

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And these are week over week numbers.

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And so the median sales price has risen just over 5.5% to 564,000.

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This is up pretty significantly over the last couple of weeks, which is kind of interesting to me.

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The average sales price is up 23.4% to $682,000.

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So the disparity between the median and the average suggests to me that there are a number of outliers

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to the positive side or to the higher price side that are skewing these numbers,

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which is interesting and I'll give you my theory behind that.

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I'm seeing new listings down 12.3%, pending sales down a little bit,

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and closed sales down 15.9%.

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So weird that there's new listings are down, sales are down,

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time on market up 26.4% to 91 days.

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That's the highest I've seen it in quite a while, which means homes,

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less homes are coming on the market, less sales are happening,

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and they're sitting on the market longer.

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But yet the median sales price and the average sales price are going up,

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which suggests to me that there is quite a large difference between homes that are coming on the market.

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So you're seeing higher price homes, homes that have seen significant remodels and improvements

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in great areas and those tend to sell faster because I can tell you those homes aren't sitting on the market for 91 days.

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So what I'm seeing is I'm seeing a lot of homes in the sub $500,000 range that are a little bit rough and ready.

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A lot of them are being sold as is.

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A lot of them are being our state sales, so people that need to sell.

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And so in that range, I'm seeing a lot of bargains, if you will,

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if you're willing to put in that sweat equity and kind of take on a little bit of a, I wouldn't say a risk,

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but a lot of work, I'm seeing a lot of deals.

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So I myself as a real estate investor, if I had unlimited capital would be acquiring some of these.

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I've seen quite a number of them and they're in decent neighborhoods.

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And so recently I saw one in the Lincoln neighborhood priced, what I believe is below market.

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I think it was on purpose to get some interest and that one went pending in a week and they had multiple offers.

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And you see deadlines on that like offer deadlines.

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So give us your highest and best, which means there's a lot of interest.

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And then I'm seeing some that look pretty rough, that need a lot of work, that are sitting on the market.

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Whereas I mentioned before, the homes that are skewing the average and the median sales price

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are those ones that are obviously in highly desirable neighborhoods and they're fully remodeled.

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And so, you know, since COVID, we've really seen a hay-shaped recovery, you know,

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a K as the diagonal lines, one going up and one going down.

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And what that means is the people that have began to struggle during,

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especially during COVID during lockdowns are continuing to struggle.

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And the people that were able to resist those kind of challenges are able to work from home,

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their wealth and their prosperity is growing.

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So we're really living in two different worlds,

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one of which is one of able to absorb this inflation and the increasing prices

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because, you know, they're in higher skilled jobs,

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they have assets that have grown like stocks or real estate and those folks are doing well.

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Well, on the other hand, we have people that work in service industries or industries more prone to

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economic ups and downs and just not doing as well.

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They're not able to grow their wages as much.

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They're really impacted by the higher grocery prices, higher gas prices.

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And so we're really living in two different countries, I think, economically.

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Obviously, politically, that's been happening for quite some time now, at least since 2016.

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We live in kind of different worlds, but that has a financial backing too.

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That has there's a financial component to that where people are either prospering or they're struggling.

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And there's not a lot of in between.

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People are being pushed to one side or the other, depending on their situation.

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And so I think that's also reflected in the housing market and where you're seeing people

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that are able to buy these and fully remodeled, more expensive homes in desirable areas,

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they're continuing to buy and that is really what's propping up that portion of the market.

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And then first time home buyers, they're still there.

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They're still getting into the market, but it's a little bit more difficult.

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We're seeing debt at all time highs, consumer debt, so like credit cards, student debt,

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hear about that a lot.

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And so really, we're living in two worlds and I'm seeing that in the housing market.

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I'm seeing you have desirable remodeled homes and then you have some ones that are just like

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estate sales, so they need to sell, something happened.

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And those homes tend to sit on the market a little bit more, but I see a lot of opportunity

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there, especially for first time home buyers who are willing to take on those projects

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and are able to build some equity in those.

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So a lot of opportunity, but interesting things happen in the housing market right now.

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Some of them are just cyclical.

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So you'll hear like the housing market's heating up now.

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And even though the statistics aren't really showing that week over week, still pretty

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slow.

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So that's interesting, but you'll hear that the housing market's like it's heating up,

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there's more offers and stuff.

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And part of that's just cyclical as we come out of the holidays into the new year, past

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the election, things are supposed to heat up cyclically, but interestingly enough, we're

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seeing kind of a not that happening.

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Actually, it's sort of the opposite if we just look at the statistics.

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Sorry, I'm looking down at my statistics there if you're wondering.

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Oh, there's my dog.

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All right, I'm close to that.

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And so let's get into some reasons, some barriers and objections I've heard recently

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and really I hear them quite a bit from potential homeowners about the barriers or the challenges

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to buying a home.

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And like I said, I think if you are able to, obviously this is going to depend a lot on

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your personal situation, your financial situation, where you're at, a lot of factors.

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And so these barriers are not unique to you.

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I think a lot of people that are looking to get into buying a home feel this way and totally

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get it.

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But a lot of them are self-induced.

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And so let's talk about a couple of these.

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And there's one I want to get to first, and this one's been an interesting one.

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And I might be hearing more about this, but I met a lovely, an older woman at an open

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house named Linda, who's a lovely person.

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We chatted, I reached out to her later because she mentioned that she and her husband might

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be looking to downsize and buy something in Vancouver.

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Great.

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And so I was communicating with her and then she mentioned something to the effect of,

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you know, I'm not sure that it's a good time to sell with everything going on right now.

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And I want to dig into that a little bit deeper because the way I interpreted that is because

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of all the things in the news, all the political stuff going on, the doge, the, you know, Russia

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Ukraine, just everything you hear in the news cycle.

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And what I thought was interesting about that is there wasn't anything really specific

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or anything that I could tell that was related to the housing market that she brought up.

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So it was just a general anxiety about what's going on and what's happening and whether

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that might be provide an inopportune time to sell her home.

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And again, very personal, like it could maybe not be the right time for her to sell her

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home.

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Again, that's a personal thing, personal decision based on personal factors.

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But if they are based on this general anxiety about what's going on out there and the general

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political situation in the news cycle, I would push back on that because very little of it

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has anything to do with real estate currently, especially on a local level, because, you

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know, doge, I don't know what necessarily that would have to do with the real estate

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market.

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And there's a lot of noise and a lot of hyperbole out in the news.

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That's what the news does.

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It's designed to create an emotional reaction.

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So you'll continue to watch and then you'll be like, oh, no, what's going on?

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And it's designed to give you a sense of anxiety.

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And I think that's where she was kind of coming from.

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Not sure because I'm not sure what's going to happen.

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And I would again, would push back on that because a lot of this stuff doesn't have anything

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to do with buying or selling a home or what's going on in the real estate market specifically.

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It's just a lot of new stuff and a lot of it's like, you know, shutting down departments

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that don't have anything really to do with real estate.

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And not like these things are just to be ignored.

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But honestly, I would stress that going back to your own personal situation where you're

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at what your needs are, what your situation is, is going to be a lot more of a telltale

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about where you can go forward as far as real estate versus responding to what you're seeing

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on the news because frankly, it's just a lot of noise.

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And so Linda, if you're out there, and I'll let you know this personally, but make sure

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that's relevant to your personal situation and the market in general.

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And the best way to do this, talk to a real estate professional who's able to give you

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some insight and not respond to what's going on in the news.

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And so what I find is when people are more focused on what's going on in the news and

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all the stuff that's happening in the media, they lose sight of what their situation is

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and the things they can do to improve their own situation, like earning more money, doing

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something to increase their income or increase their savings rate or consulting with a mortgage

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lender or real estate professional about their personal situation and how that's going to

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affect them buying or selling a home.

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Again, ignore the hype, ignore the noise and focus on your personal situation.

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And I think you'll get a lot more clarity.

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Having said that recently in the news, there was a Federal Reserve, a CPI report, the

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Consumer Price Index report indicating that inflation has risen again slightly, so up

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to 3%.

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Again we know it's not 3% because when we go to the grocery store, if something was

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a dollar and now it's $2, you know that that's not 3% of an increase.

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So again, we are looking at 7% interest rates.

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That's where we're at.

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That's where we're going to be.

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We're going to be at 7%.

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If we're down a little bit lower than that, I would be surprised and by lower, I mean

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6.5.

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And that's the world we're living in.

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And that kind of brings me into the interest rate barrier or objection I hear is waiting

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for interest rates to drop.

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Yes, we're at 7%.

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That's where we're at.

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And so that is factored into your financial situation and what you're able to afford.

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And again, so going back to that personal assessment of where you're at and getting more professional

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input on your situation is going to bring you some clarity because if you're just looking

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at interest rate as a number and when it gets to this number, then you'll act.

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Then I'm afraid that you're going to be waiting for a while and that might be disadvantageous

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to you if prices keep going up because then you're going to end up paying more for a home

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and the interest rate is going to do what it's going to do.

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And I'm not seeing any evidence of it getting any lower any time soon.

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So again, the interest rate, the people who are focused on the rate number, zoom out and

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zoom to your situation.

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And are we sensing a theme here?

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I think we got a theme here about analyzing your own needs, your own financial situation,

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where you're at and going with that instead of focusing on a number and the interest rates.

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Because the 3% interest rate, I'm not going to see it.

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I think if President Trump had his way, he would knock it down at 3% right away, juice

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the economy, that's what he wants to do.

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So anything's possible, but I don't see that happening given the rate of inflation.

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All the indications are that it's just, that's where it's at.

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We're at 7%.

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Maybe we'll get a little bit lower.

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Again, personal situation is key, analyzing your needs and where you're at.

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A second objection, this is really an objection.

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This is just something I see from potential home buyers is a mindset.

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This is really important because I believe that as a first time home buyer especially,

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it's a big mindset shift to go from renting to owning.

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It's a big jump in not only like your finances and this and that, but just in your mindset.

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Because you're going from kind of a passive participant.

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You're going to someone where things kind of happened to you, you're a renter, they

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raised the rent, they told me I have to leave because they're selling it.

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You're kind of on this life raft and you're moving along and now you're finally having

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some skin in the game.

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You're moving to an equity ownership position as a homeowner and that's a big mindset shift.

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So I find that people instead of just saying, this is really big and just kind of grappling

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with that, then these other little things start to come in and people will start finding

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all these excuses why it's not impossible.

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You can't buy a home now, it's impossible.

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Homes are so expensive, I hear this a lot.

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Again, what's your personal situation?

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Where are you at?

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What are you doing?

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And realizing that yeah, it is a mindset shift and it's going to, you got to break through

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because I do believe your own mind is a barrier to home ownership sometimes if you've just

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not had that skin in the game and you're moving from that position of renting to owning.

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So I'm going to say the people that I don't hear this as much, but the market drop folks

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waiting for the market to drop and the market to crash.

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We haven't seen that with our median sales price.

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We've seen it increase despite the less activity on the sales and listing side.

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Again, the median home price has gone up significantly in the past few months.

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So I just don't know when this crash is coming.

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We have enough people who are doing well on that K-shaped recovery to keep buying and

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then we still have first time home buyers coming on the scene too.

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So just not seeing it.

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And again, you know, is this a mindset thing where you have other anxiety or some other

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questions that you need answered before you can proceed?

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And that's why you're kind of bringing up this like, I'm going to wait for the catastrophe

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to happen, the black swan event before I buy a home.

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So I think this is an important question to ask yourself.

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And I do think a lot of this is mental.

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So I guess I'm challenging you to, if you have some of these thoughts to like go to

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the root of them and because you might, I mean, you might not be ready.

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And that's another objection or barrier I hear is I don't know if I'm ready.

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I'm not, I'm not ready.

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And you might not be ready.

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Could could be the honest to God's truth that just financially or just where you're at in

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life or what you're doing or your employment situation, something is unstable and you're

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really not ready.

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And but the, but I'm not ready is again, could be just a mindset thing.

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And I think the more information that you have, the better decision you're going to

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be able to make.

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And so I do think reaching out to professionals to get advice.

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This is what we're here for as a real estate agent, my partner lender, I mean, we're educators

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when it gets down to it.

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And people that are here to make that process smoother, more transparent, just easier to

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understand.

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And so the more information you have about your specific situation and the process, the

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more comfortable you're going to be with it because, man, I was super uncomfortable when

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I bought my first home, a condominium in St. John's, the whole process was a little

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overwhelming.

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I had to grapple with like, wow, now I own that like, I had this debt and I am, I have

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to take responsibility for the maintenance of my home.

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And when something breaks, it's on me and that's an extra expense and an extra responsibility.

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And so, yeah, it was, you know, and I had a certain amount of anxiety about even like

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the financial side, it's very, you know, it seems very complicated.

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There's all these people, you know, in suits and lasers and, you know, they, you know,

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that if you don't pay your bills, they're going to foreclose on you.

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And it's just kind of, it can be kind of this big deal.

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And I think I know that I could have benefited from some more information.

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And I think a lot of potential homeowners could also just benefit from more information.

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And I think a barrier to that is like, well, then they're going to want to like push me

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and they're going to want to like sell me something.

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Like then you get that resistance where it's like, oh, I don't want to be like, I don't

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want to reach out because then they're going to like, pester me about buying or selling.

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And that's really not the case because the last thing that I want to do or really any

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real estate professional wants to do is like, push somebody to make a decision, they're

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going to not be comfortable with because I don't know about other people, but I want

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to service people for their second home, their third home, their friend's home.

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And so I want to make sure that they're super happy and comfortable with where they're at

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and what they have purchased and the process they've gone through.

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And so it's very important for me to provide that information so they can make the best

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decision, whether that is buying or not buying.

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So I think we've covered the market today.

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I think we've covered a little bit of these objections.

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And so I'd love to hear from you about your own process going through this process of

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buying a home and what you have found useful and what you have found not useful and sort

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of maybe your own questions or anxieties.

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I'd love to hear them in the comments.

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Shoot me an email DM.

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And also I want to remind people that if you're looking to buy or sell in another state, I

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have an extensive network of real estate professionals and agents that can help you

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do that.

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Some states that I really specialize in are Georgia, Texas, California, Idaho, North Carolina,

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did I mention Arizona?

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Yes, Arizona.

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So please reach out if you are looking to buy in those states as I have a network of professionals

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that do really great work and can help you do that.

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And with that, I will say I do.

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I appreciate you watching and listening and I'll see you next time on Spotlight.

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Vancouver, Washington, have a great day.

