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Hello, beautiful souls. Welcome back to SunDeep

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Talks. You know, I was sitting in my kitchen

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this morning just watching the steam rise from

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my coffee. And I had this thought. Actually,

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it wasn't really a thought. It was more like

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this feeling that just... hit me in the chest

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I was thinking about you about us about everyone

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listening to this who's leading something building

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something carrying something heavy or anything

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that is going through them in their journeys

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leaders CEOs, executives, founders individuals

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leading even their homes or anything I was thinking

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about all of this this came to my mind and I

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realized we are all walking around with this

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question that that nobody is asking out loud

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to us or even in any way in any way any form

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At least nobody asked me until I started asking

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myself. The question is, what are you becoming

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through all of this? I mean, not what are you

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achieving? Not what are you building? What are

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you becoming? Specifically, I'm saying this.

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and most of the time we don't even have time

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to realize or self -introspect what is happening

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around us what we are actually becoming we are

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so busy in a different form of becoming that

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we don't get time or stillness of any kind even

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while we are in a calm position we don't Find

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ourselves calm. So so that's why I'm saying this

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Because What I noticed I mean what I would say

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what what I have noticed and Also, tell me if

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this sounds familiar You can be absolutely crushing

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it on paper Your business is growing your team

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respects you people are people are saying all

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the right things about your leadership and even

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maybe wrong but you are lying in bed at night

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and you feel empty like completely numb even

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in silence you feel that you are not silent like

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you are and when i would say when you just get

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a just get a glimpse of that silence And you

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you feel like you're performing your own life

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instead of living it Some might say It's a part

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of life. It's a phase of life At certain time

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you have to be more focused or career some will

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say What what's different in that But it's different

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because Nobody Rarely people think about it like

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that. They follow the pattern, they follow the

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schedule, they follow the timelines. But still,

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those who care, those who have their voices more

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louder than their performances, they might be

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having these questions more than anyone else.

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They might rate themselves more than anyone else.

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So tell me, you ever feel that way? I mean, it

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is so powerful. I felt it for years. I would

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be in these board meetings giving presentations,

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making decisions that affected people's lives

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in many ways. And I would catch myself thinking,

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who is this person talking? This isn't me. I

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mean, I'm so busy in performance. I'm so loud

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in this performance. I'm so trying to be something

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in this performance. But who is this person?

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This isn't me. It's like, you know when you are

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a kid and you put on your parents clothes. You're

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swimming in this outfit that... that doesn't

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fit but everyone's telling you how grown up you

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are looking or how grown up you look that's what

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leadership felt like for me for the longest time

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and and the crazy part is nobody talks about

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this we we talk about strategy we talk about

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scaling we talk about culture and vision and

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all these important things that sound so prophetic

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that sounds so futuristic that sounds so hustleful

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I would say but nobody talks about the fact that

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leadership changes you and not always in ways

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you signed up for I mean this is This is the

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dynamic, this is the uncertainty about leadership

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and most amazing part also I would say. Like,

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I remember this one day, I was maybe three years

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into building my first company and my mom called

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me. Just a regular call. You know, she come from

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a very traditional background. They really know

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about, my parents really don't know about all

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of this, what this business culture is all about.

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We belong to a family where government jobs are

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more prominent and where people go more into

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serving nation in different ways like army, government

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jobs, civil services and etc. so business is

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not common maybe I'm one of the first so just

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just a regular call as usual you know she she's

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asking how I'm doing and I'm giving her the standard

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update the pro update yes work is good Team is

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growing, things are happening. We just closed

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something, we were starting something new. And

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I don't even bother to go in detail about that

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because she will really understand. And it's

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good she don't understand. And she goes quieter

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for a second. Then she says, Yes, that's wonderful,

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beta. I mean sun. In Hindi we say it beta. How

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are you doing? What's going on? Everything is

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fine, cool. And I just, I froze. Because I realized

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I didn't know how to answer that question anymore.

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The space that needed to answer that question,

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the phases, the attention and the moments that

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needed to answer that question were totally invisible.

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Had become so good at being the CEO the leader

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the leader I often say artificial leader We are

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so fond of artificial intelligence nowadays,

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but I would say the artificial leader the person

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with all the answers like AI That I would forgotten

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I would say that I didn't I didn't forgotten

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who I was underneath all of that. That's when

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it hit me. Not 100 % but I would say a sort of

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initiation and many other circumstances were

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responsible for further happenings in various

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areas of life. I wasn't just running a business.

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The business was running me. that was one of

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the most heaviest feeling I would say I would

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say was prevailing around after this question

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not around but after this question this strike

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that came to me this awakening that happened

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to me somehow and I was becoming someone I don't

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recognize that time maybe you know what I'm talking

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about i don't know how many would relate to this

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professional and yet i would say some sort of

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philosophical some sort of self -improvement

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some sort of awakening some sort of realizations

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spiritual non -spiritual universal you can name

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it in any sense whatever suits you to your callings

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to your inner callings so maybe If you can relate

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yourself with that, maybe you have been there.

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I can only guess. But I don't think all of them,

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but maybe many of them. And maybe many of them

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are there right now. You are successful by every

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metrics or even facing challenges. Not okay,

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but not very bad too. I mean all that matters.

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to the outside world but inside inside you feel

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like you are wearing a mask that's gotten so

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comfortable you have forgotten what you actually

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i mean look like or what what you have what what

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your actual face look like looks like i would

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say and now you feel it is impossible to switch

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yourself i mean initially it was like you have

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two zones when you started one was more emotional

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one was more thinking from heart more using brain

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also but heart was more over there but then with

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you know with conditioning of brain you become

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more brain centric and and you become your mind

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become more dominated by your brain actually

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that mind is that field you know that joins the

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brain and heart concept alignment it decided

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decide how both are going to work or both are

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going to create your journey so here's what I

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want to share with you today basically the reason

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not as some guru or expert or anything I'm nobody

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like that none of that trust me i'm figuring

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this out as i go but as someone who's been in

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that place and found a way back to myself this

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is i can say certainly this is what i at least

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i am the thing is we think becoming is automatic

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now this is the part where you need a little

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bit more focus what i'm saying the thing is we

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think becoming is automatic we think that as

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we build and lead and grow like phases of life

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childhood youth adulthood like that we will naturally

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become the person we are meant to be but that's

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not how it works. Why I am saying this? There

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is a reason. If you can go deeper, you have understood

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it by now. But still I am saying, we never become,

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and that becoming never happen automatic. Automatically,

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automatically what happens, automatically you

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just do what you do. for that becoming you need

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a lot of homework you need a lot of inner calling

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listening a lot more thing we will discuss that

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so what actually happens in this every decision

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you make every pressure you absorb every mask

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you put on to get through the day in any form

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it all adds up somehow and before you know it

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you are not becoming anything you are just accumulating

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that's the better term I would say accumulating

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responsibilities expectations versions of yourself

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that other people need you to be and you also

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see that version of yours living most of Your

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I mean your schedule In 24 hours, you might be

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living that person now almost full 24 hours But

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here's the thing and and this might sound crazy

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You can change this Right now today You can start

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asking yourself Very simple sounding question,

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but it's still very powerful and may impact those

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who are actually in this state more than those

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who are just considering this as just a vague

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thing or anything like that. So, who I am becoming

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through this work, through this leadership and

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through this life I am building, I mean they

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are deep, they sound so simple. And when you

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ask that question, really ask it, I mean, not

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just think it, you might be surprised by what

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comes up. Okay, I will tell you what came up

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for me when I finally sat with that question.

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I'm again saying there were so many other things

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responsible in many ways and for a very long

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time. Nothing happens overnight, nothing. Rise,

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downfall, all have their own time. So when I

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finally sat with that question, I realized I

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was becoming harder, yet more vulnerable, more

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cynical. I was becoming someone who had answers

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for everyone else. You know, whatever comes up

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to me in a day -to -day life, I was like pro

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in doing, yes, yes, this is like this, this is

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like this, let's do this, do this, like that.

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And everyone, I was having solutions for everyone,

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for every situation. And I very well know how

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to tackle things, okay, because that's being

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an entrepreneur, being a business owner. you

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know all these things and you have to be very

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good in that but I couldn't hear my own inner

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voice anymore and I was feeling a lot of louder

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voices coming from inside every single day and

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every time when I feel myself in a position where

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I feel like whatever is happening now It's not

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working, somehow it's not working. The result

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is coming, the growth is happening, the things

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are changing or if I go like that, it might take

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me to the places where I can't even imagine that

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I would have reached so fast, so timely. Yes,

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so timely and so fast. I was becoming successful,

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sure, but I was also becoming someone. I didn't

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particularly like spending time with them. Because

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I was never spending time with me the way we

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truly spend time with ourselves. I was spending

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time with a version, those who are constantly

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strategizing things. constantly planning the

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next move the next thing and next thing and next

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thing and this and then solving that oh my god

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what a problem solver I was becoming and that

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scared me because I realized if I kept going

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down that path I might win the business game

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and I was winning I was going great so fast and

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so good Knowing what resources I carry, knowing

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what are my situations, knowing all the risk

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of circumstances but lose myself completely.

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So I started doing something different. I started

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treating my own becoming as seriously I treated

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my business growth and that didn't happen overnight

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again. I started it very slowly and it was not

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easy at all. It was a hell lot of a journey.

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For me, at least, I would love to hear how you

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made it and how things are going at your side.

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So I started asking myself, what kind of leader

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do I want to become? And also I would say leadership

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is something like... It's the only thing that

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I know since my childhood since all the memories

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that I have in Various forms not in the forms

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that weren't called leadership, but in many other

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forms in many other shapes and sizes and patterns

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What what kind of leader do I want to become

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this question I was talking about Not what kind

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of result do I want to achieve? I was never worried

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about What will happen and what what outcome

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will come? Just I always know one thing I have

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to do my stuff in a best possible way the best

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give your everything to it and then outcome rarely

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matters to be very frank and 99 .9 percent I

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would say from my experience Outcome will always

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come in your favor When this is the mindset and

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when this is the approach So what kind of person?

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Do I want to be while I'm achieving them? That's

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the question. And you know what? Everything changed.

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Everything changed. So that's why I'm saying

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that's what started happening in my life. Again,

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not overnight, not in some dramatic movie like

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way, but slowly, gradually. millions of moments

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hundreds of awakenings and lot of self -introspection

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doing something out of the box taking decisions

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that that is almost impossible sometime to understand

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now that and I mean how I made them possible

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at that time and and now when I see through my

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journey I see I have done this many times and

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in every phase I have made these decisions that

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I don't even understand how and from where I

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got that courage so I started remembering who

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I was before I became who I thought I need to

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be because We all have some theories for ourselves,

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some perceptions around our journeys, our goals,

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our ambitions, and some dreams, some visions,

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some imaginations, some hypothetical, you know,

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dissections of our existence. So that, I mean,

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most people have those who... I mean, entrepreneurs,

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leaders, founders, CEOs, executives, C -suits,

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all those people I would say they have these

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kind of thing at some stage, sometime, at least,

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ever. Listen, I don't know what you are carrying

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right now. Yes, I really don't know. I don't

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know what pressure you are under, what expectations

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you are trying to meet, and... what version of

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yourself you think you need to be to succeed

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yes I know nothing about that but I have been

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through all of that and more and more my journey

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is so diverse I mean so diverse and I have learned

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so so deeply so painfully so lovingly so I mean

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name it and I have learned it through that ways

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not because it is not like that I have seen so

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much no it's not like that I'm seeing more than

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that with each passing day and even in single

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moments we are learning more than that what I

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have seen so far and you too can relate this

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with yourself no one I would say those who have

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the ability to to introspect they all are blessed

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with this kind of learning so but I know this

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I know if I know something I know this that you

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don't have to sacrifice who you are to become

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who you mean to be yes again this is not easy

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I would say this is not easy but this is 100

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% achievable and possible and actually What I

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said is You don't have to sacrifice who you are

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to become who you are mean to be And actually

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it is it's it's the opposite The more you remember

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who you are Your actual values your actual voice

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your actual way of being in the world The more

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powerful your leadership becomes exactly this

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from these parts the depth the wisdom the ability

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to vision to lead they all come through these

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channels these gateways because people don't

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follow strategies never it looks like they are

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following but they really follow human beings

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and human beings can sense authenticity from

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a I mean mile away Say the if I'm wrong So here's

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what I want you to do not tomorrow Not next week,

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but right now while you are listening to this

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Ask yourself what I am becoming and don't Give

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me the LinkedIn answer the chat GPT answer or

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any sort of those answers don't tell me about

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your goals or your vision or your five -year

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plan tell me what kind of person am i becoming

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through the way i show up every day am i becoming

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kinder or harder more open or more closed more

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myself or more of what i think other people need

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me to be and then and this is the important part

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decide if that's who you want to become out of

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your findings decide if that's who you want to

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become because there is another secret i would

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say that people really or nobody tells us you

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get to choose every single day you get to choose

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who you are becoming you know what's beautiful

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about this when you start leading from who you

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actually are instead of who you think you should

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be everything gets easier not immediately because

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your actions will reflect so many things that

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are not easy you will require a lot of courage

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but slowly and slowly everything gets easier

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the decisions become clear more clearer because

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you are not fighting against yourself anymore

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that's the biggest relief the relationships become

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deeper because you are not performing for people

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anymore another big relief the work becomes more

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meaningful because it's coming from a real place

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that you carry and that a place that you love

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so much and your team they will feel it they

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will feel the difference between a leader who

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I mean who's performing leadership and a leader

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who is embodying it Look, I'm not saying this

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is easy, okay? Never. Becoming yourself in a

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world that's constantly telling you who you should

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be, that's probably the hardest work you will

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ever do. It's not like, you know, you're just

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planning about it and it starts happening. No,

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it will come with lot of sacrifices, lot of...

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courage lot of moves that you will take and I

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can't even share how much you have to be responsible

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for all of that but if you really need the relief

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you want to set free and you want to still achieve

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then I would say it's the most important work

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because I mean because at the end of the day

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you can build the biggest company you have the

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most impressive title achieve every goal you

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set for yourself but if you lose yourself in

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the process what's the point so it's time for

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some invitation yes and here is my invitation

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for you my challenge my request And deep down

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my prayers, please stop performing your life

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and start living it. Stop being the leader you

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think you should be and start being the leader

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you actually are. Stop asking what you need to

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do and start asking who you want to become. and

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trust me on this just trust me the world needs

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you who you as I mean as who you actually are

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not the polished version not the strategic version

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not the version that looks good on paper good

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in suits good in dresses that's okay that's also

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important nothing is nothing is like of no use

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but what's the point when you use yourself in

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the process now that's the question the world

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needs your actual voice your actual heart your

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actual way of seeing things so what are you becoming

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really this is the question that's the work that's

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the path way back to yourself And when you find

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that answer, when you really find it, everything

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else will fall into place. And the life will

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be, life will be more and more loving, more and

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more grateful, more and more abundant I would

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say, in many ways. Earlier it was in one way

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and causing you many other ways, damaging many

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other ways. Now it will build every other ways

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also. It will grow you in all dimensions. Your

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work life, your personal life, your relationships,

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your family, your social. You will see the holistic

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difference. This has been SunDeep Talks. Thank

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you for being here. Thank you for listening.

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Thank you for being... brave enough to ask the

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real questions. Keep becoming. Keep remembering.

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Keep leading from your soul. I will see you next

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time.
