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Welcome, curious minds. Today, we're taking a

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deep dive into a really striking collection of

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insights about our current political moment,

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especially looking ahead to the 2026 midterms.

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We've got a stack of articles, reports, analyses,

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all detailing what our sources are calling a

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multi front campaign of political maneuvering.

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So, yeah, get ready for some thought provoking

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connections. OK, let's try and unpack this a

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bit. Our sources today, they paint a picture

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where, you know, traditional political norms

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are being really tested, stretched. maybe even

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redefined, and that's across different branches

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of government, international relations, domestic

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policy, pretty much everywhere. Indeed. And our

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mission here for this deep dive is really to

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distill the core strategies that seem to be at

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play, to connect the dots between actions that

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might seem... unrelated at first glance and to

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understand the potential implications of what

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some sources call these aggressive tactics, implications

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for our political institutions and of course

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for you the listener. What's really intriguing

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I think is how many of these moves seem driven

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by this singular focus consolidating and holding

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onto power. And just to be clear, when we mention

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strong claims or opinions, we'll make sure to

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attribute them directly to our sources. We're

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here to explore the ideas, not necessarily endorse

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them. OK, so let's start with a pretty bold concept.

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The idea of a government shutdown on October

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1st. Our sources are suggesting this isn't maybe

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just the usual negotiation tactic, but potentially

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deliberate political statement. Ezra Klein, writing

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in the New York Times, actually argues Democrats

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should seriously think about it. And here's where

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the strategy gets kind of nuanced. Klein suggests

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maybe Democrats missed A chance back in March

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now, a shutdown could be this crucial way to

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grab everyone's attention. Right. And Klein's

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argument, at least as our sources presented,

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it isn't really about changing laws immediately.

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It's more about making a clear kind of powerful

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case that certain actions happening in government

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are, well, in his view, not normal, anything

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but normal. The goal seems to be bringing this

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whole list of perceived illegal or let's say

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unconventional acts right to the front, trying

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to drive down approval ratings specifically with

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independent voters. It does make you think though,

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in this age of just constant information overload,

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how do you actually cut through all that noise?

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Yeah, good question. And the list Klein suggests

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Democrats should highlight, it's pretty extensive,

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he lays out this thought experiment like imagine

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if a previous administration had done these things,

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things like refusing to spend money, Congress

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lawfully appropriated, or firing agency heads

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who are supposed to be protected by statute,

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or dismissing civil servants, possibly violating

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the Pendleton Act, that law meant to protect

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federal workers from, you know, political firings.

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Yeah, and the list goes on. Our sources mentioned

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Klein citing things like calling up the National

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Guard for what he calls flimsy reasons or even

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outsourcing government decisions to someone unconfirmed.

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One source specifically named Elon Musk being

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involved in like budget cuts. Then there are

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allegations of corrupting government for personal

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gain using the DJ, the Department of Justice

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to go after rivals, brow beating law firms, media

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outlets, universities, appointing cabinet officers

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described as well incompetent, accepting expensive

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gifts from foreign countries. potentially violated

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the emoluments clause. That's the one prohibiting

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gifts from foreign states. Exactly. And even

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claims about using the National Guard to occupy

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U .S. cities, possibly violating the Posse Comitatus

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Act. Which generally keeps the military out of

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domestic law enforcement. Right. And using mask

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agents to sweep people off streets without due

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process. Some reportedly deported to what sources

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even describe as a gulag in El Salvador. Yeah.

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Referencing these really harsh detention centers.

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That is. Quite an inventory. It's striking. And

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the strategic thinking behind laying all this

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out according to the sources is to frame it by

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asking that question. What would you think if

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Joe Biden or Barack Obama had done all this?

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Right, drawing that parallel. Yeah, the idea

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is to highlight what might look like a double

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standard, potentially shifting how independents

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see things. And history does suggest that if

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approval ratings dip into the low 30s, it can

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mean big trouble electorally for the party in

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power. In Klein's piece, it argues that just

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sort of. politely asking for small concessions

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to avoid a shutdown, that's cowardice, that's

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the word used. Instead, he's pushing for Democrats

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to have this really unified, bold message. And

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Senator John Ossoff from Georgia apparently gave

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a strong example back in July connecting this

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idea of corruption directly to people's everyday

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struggles. Like what? Like defunding nursing

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rooms to pay for tax cuts or high prescription

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costs, denied insurance claims, hedge funds,

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buying up houses, crazy ambulance fees. Making

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it personal. Yeah, making it tangible, relatable,

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not just abstract policy talk. So the sources

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suggest this approach involves claiming the system

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is rigged. But specifically by Trump for himself.

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That's the framing suggested. Right. And the

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idea floated is that the DNC, the Democratic

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National Committee, should pull what people are

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actually unhappy about, blame it squarely on

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Trump, and then clearly say what Democrats are

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fighting for. You. It really does underscore

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when you connect it to the bigger picture just

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how important that simple, relatable messaging

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is in today's very complex political world. OK,

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so moving on from that legislative brinkmanship,

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let's look at two other areas where sources say

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significant pressure is being applied, Congress

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and the Supreme Court. What do these next points

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tell us about, say, transparency in the rule

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of law? First. the Epstein files. Right. So there's

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this discharge petition. Representative Thomas

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Massey, Republican from Kentucky, started it.

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The goal is to force a House vote on releasing

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all the Epstein files. And the interesting thing

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is the alignment on this, right? Yeah. It's pretty

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unexpected, kind of bipartisan. All the Democrats

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are apparently for it, plus a few Republicans.

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Massey, Lauren Boebert, Marjorie Taylor Greene,

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Nancy Mace. And our sources say those last two

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votes needed, they're pretty much in the bag.

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They're expected from two newly elected Democrats,

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James Walkinshaw and Adelita Grishalva, from

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special elections in Virginia and Arizona. Both

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have apparently said publicly they'll sign once

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they're sworn in. The political angle here is

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potentially quite significant. Trump's base,

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maybe surprisingly to some observers, has been

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really vocal about wanting these files out. So

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you could end up with a scenario where Democrats

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are seen as the party of transparency and most

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Republicans maybe look like the party of secrecy.

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That could be a serious PR heading for the GOP,

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the Grand Old Party, especially heading towards

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the next elections. OK, now let's pivot to the

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Supreme Court. There's an article in Politico

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magazine. It describes efforts by former President

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Trump to, well, the source uses strong words

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like blackmail or lobby the court about tariffs.

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And he's reportedly making claims the source

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calls absurd and nonsensical, like claiming the

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government is pulling in 17 trillion dollars

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in tariffs. Yeah, that number, it's like four

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times the total value of all imports. It's about

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15 percent of the entire planet's GDP. I mean,

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way off. Completely. And his allies are apparently

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involved in this pressure campaign, too. Former

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Secretary of State Marco Rubio argued that if

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the court struck down the president's tariff

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power, it would hurt national security, maybe

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even make ending the Ukraine war harder. Wow.

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And Solicitor General John Sauer apparently went

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even further, claiming that without Trump's tariff

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authority, the U .S. would be, quote, ruinous.

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or a dead country. That's strong rhetoric. Extremely.

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And it raises that big question. How does this

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kind of intense public and political pressure

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affect how people see the court's independence?

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And the implication, according to the source,

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is that maybe Trump's actual legal case on tariffs

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is pretty weak. That's what the source suggests.

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And so he's essentially lobbying the court, rule

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for me now, find the legal reason later. Which

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is exactly the sort of judicial activism that

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conservatives traditionally have really railed

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against. And there seem to be two big hurdles

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for Trump here based on our sources. First, the

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legal basis he's using, the IEEPA. The International

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Emergency Economic Powers Act. Right. That grants

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power to regulate, not necessarily to tax or

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levy tariffs in this way. Tariffs aren't explicitly

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mentioned there. OK. Second, public opinion seems

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pretty strongly against tariffs because, well,

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they tend to raise prices for consumers. And

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the Supreme Court It's already facing a lot of

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public scrutiny, low approval ratings. The justices

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have got to know that siding with Trump on tariffs

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would likely push those numbers down even further.

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And that could potentially give a future democratic

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government, if they control the White House and

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Congress, the political cover, to take pretty

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drastic actions against the court. Like expanding

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it or stripping its jurisdiction over certain

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issues. So it highlights this really deep tension

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Doesn't it between political pressure and trying

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to maintain judicial independence? Absolutely.

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Okay from the courts. Let's shift now to the

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global stage where Kind of ironically, one source

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suggests Trump seems to be bringing countries

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together, but maybe not in the way that helps

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traditional US alliances. Yeah, this is an interesting

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development highlighted in the materials. Yeah.

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He's reportedly pushing India. the world's biggest

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democracy, longtime U .S. ally, into this sort

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of informal cooperation with China, Russia, North

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Korea, and Iran. That's quite a block. It really

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is. You're talking 3 .1 billion people there

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versus maybe 780 million for the U .S. and E

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.U. combined. One analyst starkly put it as,

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team dictatorship is 4X bigger than team democracy.

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Oof. And Trump himself seemed to almost acknowledge

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it on social media, saying something like, looks

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like we've lost India and Russia to deepest,

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darkest... And the sources suggest this wasn't

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just random chance, this loss of India. No, they

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directly link it to Trump slapping that huge

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50 % tariff on Indian imports. And it's not just

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India, right? Leaders from other countries showed

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up at a recent meeting of Russia, North Korea,

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China. Yeah, Egypt, Turkey, Vietnam are there

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too. Yeah. And potentially Brazil, South Africa

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might loosely align themselves as well. So the

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sources are suggesting this could fundamentally

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reshape the whole geopolitical map, potentially

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leaving the U .S. more isolated. That's the concern

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raised, that it ends up being less America first

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and more America alone. And India's big crime,

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according to these sources, was just buying Russian

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oil. Pretty much. The sources suggest a smarter

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diplomatic play might have been, say, offering

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American oil at a good price instead of just

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hitting them with tariffs. It really makes you

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question, doesn't it? What happens when you apply

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maybe real estate negotiation tactics to really

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complex, delicate international relationships?

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Very different arena. OK, back home now, domestically.

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We see what sources describe as a relentless

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pursuit of political rivals. Senator Adam Schiff,

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the Democrat from California, seems to be a prime

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target, especially given his role in Trump's

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first impeachment. Trump has used some pretty

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harsh language, sleazebag, lowlife, pencil neck,

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and has apparently said he wants Schiff jailed

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for mortgage fraud. Right. The charge centers

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on Schiff apparently claiming two principal residences.

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on mortgage applications. One in California,

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one in Maryland. For listeners, the principal

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residence thing is important for mortgage terms,

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sometimes tax breaks, and you usually only get

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one. Exactly. But the sources stress the crime

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of mortgage fraud needs proof of intent to defraud.

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And that's often hard to prove here. Lots of

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members of Congress have a place back home in

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one near D .C. It's pretty common, especially

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if neither place is being rented out. And banks

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often know about this setup anyway. Often, yes.

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Plus, Schiff apparently only claimed the homestead

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tax exemption for his California home, which

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sort of undermines the idea he was trying to

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defraud anyone. But what's really striking, according

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to our sources, is how this information supposedly

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came out. Trump appointed a close associate,

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this wealthy developer, Bill Pulte, to run the

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Federal Housing Finance Authority, the FHFA,

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which apparently gives Pulte access to basically

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every mortgage in the country. And the allegation

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is that Pulte is using this access to specifically

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look for people on what's called Trump's enemies

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list who happen to have two mortgages. That's

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quite an accusation. And the irony... the sources

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point out, runs deep. Polta's own father and

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stepmother, Mark and Julie Polta, they've reportedly

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claimed principal residences and homestead exemptions

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in both Michigan and Florida. Which is definitely

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illegal, right? Getting a tax break in two states

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like that. Yeah, you can't do that. So this pattern...

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Sources describe it as potentially weaponizing

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federal agencies against opponents while maybe

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looking the other way for allies. It keeps coming

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up in the materials we reviewed. And beyond going

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after individuals, there's also this reported

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effort to make becoming a citizen harder. The

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plan, linked to OMB director Russell Vought,

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that's the Office of Management and Budget, involves

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toughening the citizenship test, maybe adding

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an essay question, which could give officials

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more leeway to fail applicants. And beyond just

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the test, the sources suggest definition of good

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moral character could become this kind of slippery

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slope. Right now, it mostly means you don't have

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a serious criminal record. OK. But in the future,

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it might require showing positive contributions.

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Yeah. Like maybe owning DJT stock or submitting

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really positive tweets about Trump leaving it

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up to the examiner's discretion. Disgraciously.

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Tweets. That's mentioned in the sources. Along

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with social media vetting, where support for

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the Second Amendment is a plus. But maybe the

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First Amendment isn't so much. And opposing Israeli

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Prime Minister Netanyahu could be classed as

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anti -Semitic activity and a definite no -no.

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That raises some pretty big questions about fairness,

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doesn't it? And who gets to define what a good

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citizen looks like? Absolutely. And this seems

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connected to Trump's lawsuit against the city

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of Boston. Yes, over Boston's policy of not actively

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cooperating with ICE immigration and customs

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enforcement to detain immigrants. But Boston

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isn't actually breaking federal law, are they?

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Cities aren't required to help IC like that.

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That's correct. But former Attorney General Pam

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Bonney claimed the DOAJ would protect Boston

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citizens from illegal alien crime, even though

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Boston actually ranks much lower in violent crime

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than many other major U .S. cities. It's number

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71, I believe. Right. And Mayor Michelle Wu has

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pushed back hard, saying Boston will defend its

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laws and rights. Yeah. And the analysis in our

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sources suggests the real goal might not even

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be to win the lawsuit. It might just be to intimidate

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the mayor, try to force her to, quote, bow down

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to federal pressure. OK, so. All these different

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actions we've discussed, foreign policy shifts,

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pressure on the courts, targeting rivals, immigration

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policies, it all seems to circle back, according

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to our sources, to this central motivation. fear

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of losing the midterm elections. Trump is reportedly

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still angry about his two impeachments and really

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doesn't want a repeat of 2018 when the Republicans

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lost the House. He apparently feels he stayed

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in his lane back then and lost and sources say

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that's a mistake he doesn't intend to make again.

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So there's this clear pivot towards the midterms

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described in the sources, especially after that

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big bill passed in July, the one big, beautiful

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bill act. Right. Apparently White House aides

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quickly realized its tax cuts heavily favored

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the wealthy and would likely mean service cuts

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for poorer Americans, which led to some pretty

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hostile town hall meetings for GOP lawmakers.

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Yeah, I remember reading about those. So that

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prompted this rush to rebrand the law, right?

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Moving away from Trump's own name for it towards

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something like the the working families tax cut

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bill, even if that wasn't entirely accurate.

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Exactly. And we also see the Jeffrey Epstein

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scandal bubbling up again. Sources note it's

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proving hard for Trump to just make it go away.

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It's even causing some rare pushback from parts

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of his own Maggie base who are demanding more

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information be released. That shows maybe a little

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crack in what's usually a very unified front.

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So it could be. So Trump is reportedly using

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this potent brew of tactics to try and influence

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the twenty twenty six midterms going way beyond

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just traditional campaigning. One example cited

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is a redistricting arms race, starting with Texas

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redrawing its congressional maps to try and gain

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five extra Republican seats, even though they

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just redrew them back in twenty twenty one. Right.

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That's pretty audacious. It is. And that move,

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according to the sources, prompted other states

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– California, Missouri, Indiana, New York – to

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start thinking about their own redistricting

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plans in response. As one former Biden staffer

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quoted in the material put it, if Republicans

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thought they could win on their record, they

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wouldn't have opened the redistricting conversation

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in the first place. That suggests maybe they

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feel they need structural advantages, not just

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policy arguments. That's the implication. And

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voter suppression tactics are apparently also

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being discussed. Steve Bannon floated ideas like

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a mid -decade census that would exclude unauthorized

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immigrants. Yes, and also requiring proof of

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citizenship just to register to vote. And Trump

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himself has apparently reignited his attacks

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on mail -in voting, even threatening an executive

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order to ban it. Despite the continued lack of

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evidence for any widespread fraud with mail -in

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ballots. OK, then there's the economy. Huge pressure

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reportedly being put on the Fed chair, Jerome

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Powell, to lower interest rates. Yeah, Trump's

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even mused publicly about trying to oust him.

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And this ties into that DOJ investigation of

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Fed Governor Lisa Cook over those unprevent allegations

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of mortgage fraud. Many observers quoted see

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that as another example of potentially weaponizing

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the federal government against people seen as

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political obstacles. And the White House is also

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reportedly planning this big deregulation push,

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trying to, quote, before the midterms. Right.

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And finally, the issue of crime. It's being framed

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as a winning issue. Trump has deployed the National

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Guard to Washington, D .C., sometimes with armored

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vehicles, sources say, despite resonant backlash.

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And he's talked about sending troops to other

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cities, too. Chicago, Baltimore, New York, even

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if the governor's object. That's been floated.

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Yes. And while violent crime rates have actually

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fallen in most of the country since the pandemic

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peak, polling still shows crime is a big concern

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for a lot of Americans. So the analysis suggests

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Trump is playing on those fears, using these

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deployments to put Democrats on the defensive,

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trying to make crime a national issue that benefits

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him. So when you pull it all together, what's

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the end game? Well, according to a Republican

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strategist quoted in our source material, the

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overall goal of all these wide -ranging power

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plays is pretty clear. Make the midterms about

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him. secure his legacy and operate without what

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he sees as checks on his power. Wow, that was

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quite the deep dive into these really complex,

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often confrontational strategies that are shaping

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our political future from potential government

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shutdowns and pressure on the courts to global

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realignments, targeted domestic moves. It's definitely

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clear the road to the 2026 midterms is not looking

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conventional. No. Not at all. And these strategies,

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as our sources really lay them out, they seem

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to reveal this profound shift in how politics

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is being engaged, where the lines between governing,

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campaigning, even the established rule of law,

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they seem increasingly blurry. What's really

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insightful, I think, is understanding how these

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multi -front campaigns actively challenge those

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traditional democratic norms and how public perception,

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which can be swayed by powerful narratives, becomes

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this really critical battleground. Absolutely.

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And maybe that brings us to our final provocative

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thought for you, the listener. Given this political

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landscape where institutions are under pressure

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and norms are being tested, perhaps the key insight

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is realizing that the rules of the game themselves

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are constantly being redefined. So how do you,

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as an informed citizen, adapt your own framework

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for evaluating political actions when the players

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themselves seem to be actively trying to move

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the goalposts? It's definitely a lot to consider.

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Thanks for joining us for this deep dive.
