WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:01.740 You know, it hits you sometimes, right? This 00:00:01.740 --> 00:00:04.299 feeling that the world's information just keeps 00:00:04.299 --> 00:00:07.280 multiplying and trying to make sense of it all. 00:00:08.060 --> 00:00:10.060 It can feel like a full -time job. Oh, absolutely. 00:00:10.179 --> 00:00:11.779 It's overwhelming. That's really where we come 00:00:11.779 --> 00:00:13.740 in. You give us your reading list, your sources, 00:00:14.259 --> 00:00:16.199 and we, well, we do the heavy lifting. We pull 00:00:16.199 --> 00:00:18.780 out the crucial bits. draw the connections. The 00:00:18.780 --> 00:00:21.219 idea is to help you get a real handle on what 00:00:21.219 --> 00:00:23.239 actually matters without getting totally lost 00:00:23.239 --> 00:00:26.000 in the noise. Exactly. And for this deep dive, 00:00:26.160 --> 00:00:28.699 we've got a really compelling set of electoral 00:00:28.699 --> 00:00:34.780 vote news excerpts from April 2025. It's a fascinating 00:00:34.780 --> 00:00:36.859 snapshot. A snapshot of what, exactly? Well, 00:00:36.880 --> 00:00:39.840 it touches on quite a bit. Economic shifts, potential 00:00:39.840 --> 00:00:42.119 changes in foreign policy, the whole dynamic 00:00:42.119 --> 00:00:45.579 around online politics, and even these big debates 00:00:45.579 --> 00:00:48.439 shaping education. Right. Sort of a guided tour 00:00:48.439 --> 00:00:51.020 through some of today's really hot button issues. 00:00:51.340 --> 00:00:54.240 Precisely. We're looking at things like a, well, 00:00:54.380 --> 00:00:57.600 a pretty provocative magazine cover, some sharp 00:00:57.600 --> 00:01:00.859 commentary, and even the details of legal battles 00:01:00.859 --> 00:01:04.280 happening in schools. So a diverse range of sources. 00:01:04.840 --> 00:01:06.519 Okay, and each gives a slightly different angle 00:01:06.519 --> 00:01:08.680 on the bigger picture, right? That's the goal. 00:01:08.920 --> 00:01:11.219 Our aim here is to synthesize these different 00:01:11.219 --> 00:01:13.959 viewpoints, pull out the most significant points, 00:01:14.400 --> 00:01:16.239 and hopefully give you a clearer understanding 00:01:16.239 --> 00:01:18.859 of these complexities, you know, without drowning 00:01:18.859 --> 00:01:22.040 you in detail. Sounds good. Okay, so where should 00:01:22.040 --> 00:01:24.239 we start? What feels like the right entry point? 00:01:24.640 --> 00:01:27.180 Well, maybe let's start with the general mood. 00:01:27.280 --> 00:01:29.400 The cover of The Economist really stood out. 00:01:29.519 --> 00:01:31.569 The one with the eagle. Yeah, the wounded eagle 00:01:31.569 --> 00:01:34.189 is such a powerful symbol. And then that headline, 00:01:34.670 --> 00:01:39.189 only 1 ,361 days to go. It's quite striking. 00:01:39.409 --> 00:01:41.870 Especially coming from the economist, which generally 00:01:41.870 --> 00:01:44.650 leans center right. Exactly. So that imagery, 00:01:44.849 --> 00:01:48.989 that countdown, it probably points to some significant 00:01:48.989 --> 00:01:51.489 anxieties, maybe about the current state of affairs 00:01:51.489 --> 00:01:54.150 or where things might be heading. What did you 00:01:54.150 --> 00:01:57.200 take away from it? Well, the wounded eagle. It 00:01:57.200 --> 00:01:59.579 definitely screams vulnerability doesn't it like 00:01:59.579 --> 00:02:02.640 something usually seen as strong is is weakened 00:02:02.640 --> 00:02:05.780 somehow and that countdown just adds this layer 00:02:05.780 --> 00:02:11.419 of like urgency or Maybe dread like we're hurtling 00:02:11.419 --> 00:02:13.099 towards something critical. It makes you wonder 00:02:13.099 --> 00:02:15.919 what specific worries they're tapping into Yeah, 00:02:15.919 --> 00:02:17.860 it does and you know this sense of questioning 00:02:17.860 --> 00:02:19.780 the way things are going the traditional path 00:02:19.780 --> 00:02:22.080 It actually resonates with something else in 00:02:22.080 --> 00:02:25.080 the sources, but more on an individual level. 00:02:25.080 --> 00:02:27.520 What was that? There is this interesting anecdote 00:02:27.520 --> 00:02:30.819 about a high school graduating class. Apparently, 00:02:31.020 --> 00:02:32.919 a significant chunk of students weren't planning 00:02:32.919 --> 00:02:34.919 on going straight to college. OK, that's becoming 00:02:34.919 --> 00:02:37.400 more common, maybe. Right. But what really jumped 00:02:37.400 --> 00:02:39.680 out was the observation that for a lot of the 00:02:39.680 --> 00:02:41.740 students who were planning to go something like 00:02:41.740 --> 00:02:44.939 40%, the feeling was they had, and I'm quoting 00:02:44.939 --> 00:02:47.780 loosely here, absolutely no business going to 00:02:47.780 --> 00:02:50.900 college. Wow. OK. That's a strong statement. 00:02:51.419 --> 00:02:53.330 He really raises questions about, you know, the 00:02:53.330 --> 00:02:55.889 value we place on college, maybe its accessibility, 00:02:56.430 --> 00:02:58.569 or if it's the right path for everyone. It certainly 00:02:58.569 --> 00:03:01.430 does. And this idea that maybe a traditional 00:03:01.430 --> 00:03:03.909 four -year degree isn't the best fit for everyone 00:03:03.909 --> 00:03:06.830 connects directly to this concept of the paper 00:03:06.830 --> 00:03:09.969 ceiling. Right from that nonprofit. Opportunity 00:03:09.969 --> 00:03:12.770 at work. Exactly. They talk about how there are 00:03:12.770 --> 00:03:15.550 loads of skilled people, really capable individuals, 00:03:16.110 --> 00:03:17.789 who just get overlooked for jobs because they 00:03:17.789 --> 00:03:19.870 don't have that bachelor's degree. That piece 00:03:19.870 --> 00:03:22.289 of paper acts as a ceiling. Right. And their 00:03:22.289 --> 00:03:25.430 data, the data in our sources, suggests maybe 00:03:25.430 --> 00:03:28.389 that ceiling is cracking. It seems like it. They 00:03:28.389 --> 00:03:32.870 found that 83 % of those, they say, are now more 00:03:32.870 --> 00:03:35.289 likely to hire non -degree holders than they 00:03:35.289 --> 00:03:38.360 were two, three years ago. 83%. That's a huge 00:03:38.360 --> 00:03:41.599 jump. It really is. It suggests employers are 00:03:41.599 --> 00:03:44.740 maybe finally recognizing that for a lot of these 00:03:44.740 --> 00:03:47.340 middle skill jobs, what you can do matters more 00:03:47.340 --> 00:03:50.360 than where you went or didn't go to school. And 00:03:50.360 --> 00:03:53.120 the sources even hinted that the demand for degrees 00:03:53.120 --> 00:03:55.240 in some of those areas might be softening a bit. 00:03:55.460 --> 00:03:57.740 Is that a sign we're reevaluating what qualified 00:03:57.740 --> 00:03:59.840 actually means? It certainly looks that way. 00:03:59.879 --> 00:04:01.659 And it's not just the employers changing their 00:04:01.659 --> 00:04:05.020 tune. The sources also say that 72 % of those, 00:04:05.240 --> 00:04:07.560 meaning skilled workers without degrees, are 00:04:07.560 --> 00:04:09.659 more likely to apply for jobs they have relevant 00:04:09.659 --> 00:04:11.639 skills for, but that they would not have applied 00:04:11.639 --> 00:04:14.080 to previously. OK, so people are feeling more 00:04:14.080 --> 00:04:16.230 empowered too. Like, they recognize their skills 00:04:16.230 --> 00:04:18.529 have value, even without the traditional credential. 00:04:18.689 --> 00:04:20.709 Yeah, maybe a greater awareness of their own 00:04:20.709 --> 00:04:23.009 capabilities and, you know, the shifting landscape. 00:04:23.389 --> 00:04:25.589 If this trend keeps up, we could see some pretty 00:04:25.589 --> 00:04:28.750 big shifts in, like, workforce development. A 00:04:28.750 --> 00:04:31.110 focus on vocational training, apprenticeships, 00:04:31.189 --> 00:04:33.389 things like that. Could be. Alternative pathways 00:04:33.389 --> 00:04:36.490 to good careers. It also makes you reconsider 00:04:36.490 --> 00:04:40.189 the long -term value proposition of a traditional 00:04:40.189 --> 00:04:42.589 college degree if this thinking continues to 00:04:42.589 --> 00:04:44.430 evolve. It really does. Lots to think about. 00:04:44.199 --> 00:04:46.120 about regarding the future of work and education. 00:04:46.939 --> 00:04:50.439 Okay, let's shift gears completely. U .S. Ukraine 00:04:50.439 --> 00:04:53.620 policy. Right. A very different arena. The sources 00:04:53.620 --> 00:04:56.279 detail this, well, plan attributed to Donald 00:04:56.279 --> 00:04:59.189 Trump for ending the conflict. It's definitely 00:04:59.189 --> 00:05:01.689 a sharp turn from current policy. Yeah, the language 00:05:01.689 --> 00:05:05.110 used is certainly direct. The sources quote him 00:05:05.110 --> 00:05:07.649 talking about achieving peace very quickly using 00:05:07.649 --> 00:05:10.050 some pretty dramatic, almost threatening imagery. 00:05:10.410 --> 00:05:13.009 The unhappy encounter with the sixth story window 00:05:13.009 --> 00:05:16.290 or a cup of polonium tea line. That's the one. 00:05:16.430 --> 00:05:19.129 It grabs your attention for sure. But beyond 00:05:19.129 --> 00:05:21.569 that rhetoric, the sources outline what seems 00:05:21.569 --> 00:05:24.490 to be a potential Russian proposal that's possibly 00:05:24.490 --> 00:05:26.310 being considered. Okay. And what are the key 00:05:26.310 --> 00:05:29.310 elements of that? Several big ones. First, formal 00:05:29.310 --> 00:05:32.670 neutrality for Ukraine. Meaning no NATO? Explicitly, 00:05:32.730 --> 00:05:35.670 yes. A ban on NATO membership. Second, formal 00:05:35.670 --> 00:05:38.610 U .S. recognition of Russia's control over large 00:05:38.610 --> 00:05:42.310 areas in eastern Ukraine. Wow. That's huge. Huge 00:05:42.310 --> 00:05:45.509 implications. Then more sanctions, though it 00:05:45.509 --> 00:05:47.730 wasn't perfectly clear who they'd target and 00:05:47.800 --> 00:05:50.360 also, interestingly, increased US trade with 00:05:50.360 --> 00:05:53.699 Russia, specifically tariff -free trade in energy 00:05:53.699 --> 00:05:56.800 and industrial materials. So neutrality, recognizing 00:05:56.800 --> 00:06:00.139 Russian gains, no NATO, more sanctions somewhere, 00:06:00.480 --> 00:06:03.139 but also more trade with Russia. That's quite 00:06:03.139 --> 00:06:05.480 a package. It's a very comprehensive and potentially 00:06:05.480 --> 00:06:08.699 controversial set of proposed shifts. Which part 00:06:08.699 --> 00:06:10.860 strikes you as the most game changing? Honestly, 00:06:11.019 --> 00:06:13.639 the formal recognition of territorial gains and 00:06:13.639 --> 00:06:16.110 the enforced neutrality Those seem like they 00:06:16.110 --> 00:06:18.050 would fundamentally alter Ukraine's sovereignty 00:06:18.050 --> 00:06:20.290 and its place in the world. Absolutely. And it 00:06:20.290 --> 00:06:22.750 probably won't surprise you that Ukrainian President 00:06:22.750 --> 00:06:25.110 Zelensky's reported reaction to this kind of 00:06:25.110 --> 00:06:28.610 framework was basically no. Flat out. He's pushing 00:06:28.610 --> 00:06:31.810 back hard. Very much so. He paints a starkly 00:06:31.810 --> 00:06:35.129 different picture, focusing on the horrific human 00:06:35.129 --> 00:06:37.889 cost. There's that quote where he says, I have 00:06:37.889 --> 00:06:40.230 nothing to boast about. The situation for Ukraine 00:06:40.230 --> 00:06:43.250 is dire. He can have peace or he can fight for 00:06:43.250 --> 00:06:45.689 another three years before losing the whole country. 00:06:45.850 --> 00:06:47.850 Right. And he mentions the weekly toll. Exactly. 00:06:48.290 --> 00:06:51.610 Wanting to save, on average, 5 ,000 Russian and 00:06:51.610 --> 00:06:54.550 Ukrainian soldiers a week who are dying for no 00:06:54.550 --> 00:06:57.279 reason whatsoever. It just hammers home the human 00:06:57.279 --> 00:06:59.620 tragedy from his perspective. It's such a stark 00:06:59.620 --> 00:07:02.480 contrast, the geopolitical deal making versus 00:07:02.480 --> 00:07:04.579 the, you know, the bodies on the ground. And 00:07:04.579 --> 00:07:06.899 it highlights just how far apart these potential 00:07:06.899 --> 00:07:08.899 approaches are. The sources also mentioned this 00:07:08.899 --> 00:07:11.139 approach is getting criticized as peace theater, 00:07:11.660 --> 00:07:15.199 meaning critics suggest it might prioritize Putin's 00:07:15.199 --> 00:07:17.220 interests, or at least the appearance of a deal, 00:07:17.680 --> 00:07:21.810 over a genuinely just or lasting peace. And apparently, 00:07:21.949 --> 00:07:24.189 according to CNN reporting mentioned in the sources, 00:07:24.610 --> 00:07:27.009 it's causing a lot of frustration among people 00:07:27.009 --> 00:07:30.029 actually involved in U .S.-Ukraine policy right 00:07:30.029 --> 00:07:32.850 now. So a real clash of visions there. Moving 00:07:32.850 --> 00:07:35.910 from global stages to, well, the digital ones. 00:07:36.550 --> 00:07:39.230 Online politics and fundraising. Right. The sources 00:07:39.230 --> 00:07:41.589 talk about an executive order kicking off an 00:07:41.589 --> 00:07:44.870 investigation into ActBlue. That's the big online 00:07:44.870 --> 00:07:47.089 fundraising platform for Democrats. That's the 00:07:47.089 --> 00:07:49.810 one. The official reason given for the investigation 00:07:49.839 --> 00:07:52.139 is apparently an alleged instruction to suppress 00:07:52.139 --> 00:07:54.879 some donor information. OK, but you sound skeptical. 00:07:55.839 --> 00:07:58.240 Or the source does. Well, the author of the piece 00:07:58.240 --> 00:08:00.399 we read suggests that might not be the full picture. 00:08:00.660 --> 00:08:02.779 They hint there could be other motivations behind 00:08:02.779 --> 00:08:05.439 the scrutiny. Like what? One concern that gets 00:08:05.439 --> 00:08:08.079 brought up is about straw donations. Remind me 00:08:08.079 --> 00:08:10.319 what those are again. It's basically a way people 00:08:10.319 --> 00:08:12.800 might try to get around campaign finance limits. 00:08:13.300 --> 00:08:15.680 Someone makes a donation, but then they get reimbursed 00:08:15.680 --> 00:08:19.040 by someone else, often secretly. So the real 00:08:19.040 --> 00:08:22.300 donor's identity is hidden. They sometimes use, 00:08:22.300 --> 00:08:27.000 like, dummy accounts for this. Oh, OK. And ActBlue, 00:08:27.339 --> 00:08:29.980 because it processes so much money, is being 00:08:29.980 --> 00:08:31.959 looked at in connection with that. It seems that's 00:08:31.959 --> 00:08:33.840 part of the context. And what's interesting here 00:08:33.840 --> 00:08:37.179 is the broader fundraising picture. Oh, so. Well, 00:08:37.399 --> 00:08:40.039 ActBlue has been a massive advantage for Democrats, 00:08:40.399 --> 00:08:42.879 financially speaking. Our sources note it raises 00:08:42.879 --> 00:08:45.820 significantly more money than WinRed, the main 00:08:45.820 --> 00:08:47.620 Republican equivalent. I ate. I remember seeing 00:08:47.620 --> 00:08:50.679 those numbers. But now, both platforms are reportedly 00:08:50.679 --> 00:08:53.320 facing more scrutiny. It suggests maybe there's 00:08:53.320 --> 00:08:55.960 a growing focus, perhaps even regulatory interest, 00:08:56.399 --> 00:08:58.759 on how these powerful online platforms operate 00:08:58.759 --> 00:09:00.860 in the campaign finance world. could lead to 00:09:00.860 --> 00:09:03.179 changes in transparency or how campaigns raise 00:09:03.179 --> 00:09:05.519 money online altogether. It certainly could. 00:09:05.580 --> 00:09:07.440 It definitely brings up big questions about, 00:09:07.440 --> 00:09:09.559 you know, the integrity of campaign finance and 00:09:09.559 --> 00:09:12.120 who's really influencing politics through donations. 00:09:12.440 --> 00:09:15.259 Yeah, definitely one to watch. OK, let's turn 00:09:15.259 --> 00:09:18.399 now to something that feels particularly sensitive 00:09:18.399 --> 00:09:22.179 and often divisive. School curriculum and library 00:09:22.179 --> 00:09:25.320 books. A recurring theme. Our sources focus on 00:09:25.320 --> 00:09:28.320 legal challenges happening in Maryland. specifically 00:09:28.320 --> 00:09:32.200 over books dealing with LGBTQ plus themes and 00:09:32.200 --> 00:09:35.139 gender identity in school libraries. Right, and 00:09:35.139 --> 00:09:38.759 these court cases really throw into sharp relief 00:09:38.759 --> 00:09:41.820 the deep disagreements communities have about 00:09:41.820 --> 00:09:44.259 what's appropriate for kids in schools. It's 00:09:44.259 --> 00:09:46.559 that classic tension, isn't it? Parental rights 00:09:46.559 --> 00:09:49.200 versus the scoreboard's authority or... Educators' 00:09:49.460 --> 00:09:52.159 judgment. Exactly. So the arguments against having 00:09:52.159 --> 00:09:54.500 these books available, they generally claim the 00:09:54.500 --> 00:09:57.019 books are inappropriate for certain ages or that 00:09:57.019 --> 00:09:59.639 they promote a specific ideology. And that they 00:09:59.639 --> 00:10:01.840 violate parents' rights to direct their children's 00:10:01.840 --> 00:10:03.700 upbringing on these topics. Precisely. There's 00:10:03.700 --> 00:10:05.559 a quote from one plaintiff objecting to their 00:10:05.559 --> 00:10:07.799 kids learning of a gay person's existence or 00:10:07.799 --> 00:10:09.820 listen to a story that includes a wedding between 00:10:09.820 --> 00:10:12.679 two men. They called that instruction on gender 00:10:12.679 --> 00:10:15.429 and sexuality. That really encapsulates one side 00:10:15.429 --> 00:10:18.710 of it, a desire to shield children from certain 00:10:18.710 --> 00:10:21.789 ideas or identities based on specific values. 00:10:22.090 --> 00:10:24.909 It does. But of course, there are strong counter 00:10:24.909 --> 00:10:26.990 arguments presented in the sources, too. Which 00:10:26.990 --> 00:10:29.549 emphasize what? Things like the school board's 00:10:29.549 --> 00:10:31.710 authority over the curriculum, serious concerns 00:10:31.710 --> 00:10:34.490 about censorship, and the danger of limiting 00:10:34.490 --> 00:10:38.850 access to diverse viewpoints. And the idea that 00:10:38.850 --> 00:10:41.960 schools should provide, well... a comprehensive 00:10:41.960 --> 00:10:44.279 understanding of the world, which includes different 00:10:44.279 --> 00:10:46.919 kinds of people and families. Right. And interestingly, 00:10:47.220 --> 00:10:49.539 there's a mention that Justice Neil Gorsuch seemed 00:10:49.539 --> 00:10:51.740 somewhat skeptical about the plaintiff's argument, 00:10:52.200 --> 00:10:55.059 this idea that you can or should shield kids 00:10:55.059 --> 00:10:57.340 from every challenging or unfamiliar concept. 00:10:57.659 --> 00:10:59.879 So even at the highest court level, there's maybe 00:10:59.879 --> 00:11:02.240 some pushback against broad restrictions. It 00:11:02.240 --> 00:11:04.659 suggests a legal complexity there. These cases 00:11:04.659 --> 00:11:07.639 often dig into really fundamental rights, parental 00:11:07.639 --> 00:11:09.799 rights, First Amendment issues like free speech 00:11:09.799 --> 00:11:12.659 and the Establishment of Relation Clause. And 00:11:12.659 --> 00:11:15.080 just the basic authority of the state in education 00:11:15.080 --> 00:11:18.279 is navigating these deeply held, often conflicting 00:11:18.279 --> 00:11:21.200 values in a public setting. Exactly right. It's 00:11:21.200 --> 00:11:24.000 incredibly complex. And then finally, just briefly, 00:11:24.379 --> 00:11:27.200 the sources also touched on immigration. and 00:11:27.200 --> 00:11:30.080 the border. Yeah, a few quick points there. Mention 00:11:30.080 --> 00:11:33.220 of a Supreme Court order allowing the deportation 00:11:33.220 --> 00:11:36.120 of someone named Christian. Right. And also the 00:11:36.120 --> 00:11:39.340 situation with unaccompanied minors. Yes, the 00:11:39.340 --> 00:11:42.259 large number who entered back in December 2022, 00:11:42.720 --> 00:11:45.139 and apparently a settlement was reached by ICE 00:11:45.139 --> 00:11:47.159 regarding how they were treated. And the last 00:11:47.159 --> 00:11:49.159 point was about the difficulty of actually deporting 00:11:49.159 --> 00:11:50.980 people. Yeah, just highlighting the practical 00:11:50.980 --> 00:11:53.220 challenges. Even if someone has a deportation 00:11:53.220 --> 00:11:55.279 order, actually returning them to their home 00:11:55.279 --> 00:11:57.879 country can be really tough, especially if that 00:11:57.879 --> 00:12:00.460 country isn't cooperative. It shows the layers, 00:12:00.899 --> 00:12:05.399 legal, humanitarian, practical enforcement. So, 00:12:05.399 --> 00:12:08.440 wow. As we kind of wrap up this deep dive, we've 00:12:08.440 --> 00:12:10.240 really covered a lot of ground, haven't we? We 00:12:10.240 --> 00:12:12.419 really have, from these big economic questions 00:12:12.419 --> 00:12:15.519 about skills versus degrees. To potentially huge 00:12:15.519 --> 00:12:18.059 shifts in foreign policy regarding Ukraine. The 00:12:18.059 --> 00:12:20.399 growing microscope on online political money. 00:12:20.590 --> 00:12:23.409 Those fundamental clashes over education and 00:12:23.409 --> 00:12:26.529 values in schools and the ongoing complexities 00:12:26.529 --> 00:12:29.370 of immigration. It's quite a mix. It really is. 00:12:29.690 --> 00:12:32.669 These excerpts taken together, they offer a snapshot, 00:12:32.789 --> 00:12:35.190 don't they? A snapshot of a moment that feels 00:12:35.190 --> 00:12:38.529 very dynamic, very much in flux, with potential 00:12:38.529 --> 00:12:40.549 consequences that could ripple out for a long 00:12:40.549 --> 00:12:43.250 time. Absolutely. And that leads us to a final 00:12:43.250 --> 00:12:45.029 thought, really a question for you, the listener, 00:12:45.289 --> 00:12:48.549 to mull over. Thinking about those economic shifts 00:12:48.549 --> 00:12:52.129 we discussed, the whole college versus skills 00:12:52.129 --> 00:12:54.909 debate, what skills or maybe what kind of knowledge 00:12:54.909 --> 00:12:56.690 do you believe will be the most valuable for 00:12:56.690 --> 00:12:59.470 people to have in the years ahead? Or maybe reflecting 00:12:59.470 --> 00:13:02.690 on the potential changes in Ukraine policy, what 00:13:02.690 --> 00:13:04.950 role, what guiding principles do you think the 00:13:04.950 --> 00:13:07.210 US should follow when it comes to getting involved 00:13:07.210 --> 00:13:10.289 or not involved in international conflicts? Yeah, 00:13:10.389 --> 00:13:12.360 just some food for thought. based on everything 00:13:12.360 --> 00:13:14.240 we've unpacked today. Well, thank you for joining 00:13:14.240 --> 00:13:17.139 us as we dug into these sources. Trying to understand 00:13:17.139 --> 00:13:19.700 the nuances here, it feels more important than 00:13:19.700 --> 00:13:22.059 ever for just navigating the world around us.