WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.140 Welcome to another deep dive. We take the news, 00:00:03.240 --> 00:00:05.580 the sources you're seeing, and, well, we really 00:00:05.580 --> 00:00:08.500 try to get to grips with what's going on. And 00:00:08.500 --> 00:00:11.539 today, it's significant news. Pope Francis has 00:00:11.539 --> 00:00:14.939 passed away, age 88. Yeah, very sad news this 00:00:14.939 --> 00:00:18.320 morning. Happened in Rome, 7 .35 a .m. Rome time. 00:00:18.500 --> 00:00:22.239 That's April 21st, 2025. And the timing, quite 00:00:22.239 --> 00:00:25.019 something. Right. Just hours after he met with 00:00:25.019 --> 00:00:27.660 U .S. Vice President J .D. Vance. Who, interestingly, 00:00:28.219 --> 00:00:30.920 converted to Catholicism back in, what, 2019? 00:00:31.140 --> 00:00:34.399 That's right, 2019. So that meeting, it adds 00:00:34.399 --> 00:00:36.240 another layer, doesn't it? It certainly does. 00:00:36.240 --> 00:00:38.020 Makes you wonder about that final conversation, 00:00:38.200 --> 00:00:39.939 given everything happening. He was clearly engaged 00:00:39.939 --> 00:00:42.000 right up to the end. Absolutely. And his final 00:00:42.000 --> 00:00:45.320 public appearance just yesterday, Easter Sunday. 00:00:45.479 --> 00:00:48.840 The Urbee at Urbee blessing. Exactly. Now, an 00:00:48.840 --> 00:00:51.299 aide read most of the speech, but he did manage 00:00:51.299 --> 00:00:53.200 a short greeting himself. Oh, what did he say? 00:00:53.460 --> 00:00:56.579 Just, brothers and sisters, happy Easter. poignant 00:00:56.579 --> 00:00:59.219 looking back. Definitely a final direct word 00:00:59.219 --> 00:01:01.460 to the world. So for this deep dive, we're going 00:01:01.460 --> 00:01:03.719 to look at the key themes from, well, what turned 00:01:03.719 --> 00:01:06.480 out to be his final messages. And connect them 00:01:06.480 --> 00:01:08.739 to other things unfolding based on the sources 00:01:08.739 --> 00:01:11.540 people shared. Yeah, exactly. See how his last 00:01:11.540 --> 00:01:14.739 word sort of resonate or maybe clash with the 00:01:14.739 --> 00:01:16.659 current global picture. Sounds like a really 00:01:16.659 --> 00:01:18.560 important discussion to have right now. OK, let's 00:01:18.560 --> 00:01:21.239 get into it. A really big theme in that final 00:01:21.239 --> 00:01:24.719 speech was, well, it was a warning. about rising 00:01:24.719 --> 00:01:26.840 anti -migrant sentiment. He was very direct. 00:01:26.980 --> 00:01:30.280 He said, uh, how much contempt is stirred up 00:01:30.280 --> 00:01:33.280 at times toward the vulnerable, the marginalized, 00:01:33.700 --> 00:01:37.560 and migrants? Wow, strong words. And our sources 00:01:37.560 --> 00:01:40.420 are linking that, too. Directly to Donald Trump's 00:01:40.420 --> 00:01:42.900 ongoing mass deportations happening in the U 00:01:42.900 --> 00:01:44.879 .S. The connection is made quite explicitly. 00:01:45.260 --> 00:01:47.680 That's striking. For the Pope to address that 00:01:47.680 --> 00:01:51.920 so pointedly, he really shows his level of concern 00:01:51.920 --> 00:01:54.340 about these policies. He didn't stop there. He 00:01:54.340 --> 00:01:57.400 made a direct appeal to political leaders everywhere. 00:01:57.519 --> 00:01:59.599 What was the appeal? He urged them, and I'm quoting 00:01:59.599 --> 00:02:02.459 again, not to yield to the logic of fear which 00:02:02.459 --> 00:02:05.989 only leads to isolation from others. But rather 00:02:05.989 --> 00:02:08.849 to use the resources available to help the needy, 00:02:08.930 --> 00:02:11.310 to fight hunger and to encourage initiatives 00:02:11.310 --> 00:02:13.789 that promote development. A powerful counter 00:02:13.789 --> 00:02:16.289 message to that logic of fear he mentioned. And 00:02:16.289 --> 00:02:18.669 coming, like we said, right after meeting Vice 00:02:18.669 --> 00:02:21.370 President Vance makes that meeting even more 00:02:21.370 --> 00:02:23.870 significant. The Vatican actually put out a statement 00:02:23.870 --> 00:02:26.530 about the meeting. They said the discussion covered 00:02:26.530 --> 00:02:29.389 the international situation, focusing on war 00:02:29.389 --> 00:02:32.409 torn countries, political tensions, humanitarian 00:02:32.409 --> 00:02:36.360 crises and specifically migrants, refugees, and 00:02:36.360 --> 00:02:38.599 prisoners. So those exact issues were on the 00:02:38.599 --> 00:02:42.139 table with Vance. Migrants, refugees, prisoners. 00:02:42.699 --> 00:02:45.319 Very specific. You have to assume the Pope raised 00:02:45.319 --> 00:02:48.020 his concerns directly. It seems highly likely, 00:02:48.060 --> 00:02:50.139 given the timing and the content of his final 00:02:50.139 --> 00:02:52.159 speech. And his concern wasn't just, you know, 00:02:52.319 --> 00:02:55.099 geopolitical. He also spoke about domestic abuse. 00:02:55.879 --> 00:02:58.840 Within families. Yeah, commenting on how much 00:02:58.840 --> 00:03:01.259 violence we see, often even within families, 00:03:01.539 --> 00:03:03.810 directed at women and children. It shows a very 00:03:03.810 --> 00:03:06.930 broad scope of concern, doesn't it? From global 00:03:06.930 --> 00:03:10.229 crises down to violence within the home. A holistic 00:03:10.229 --> 00:03:13.310 view of suffering, maybe? That seems right. Acknowledging 00:03:13.310 --> 00:03:15.710 vulnerability in all its forms. OK, let's shift 00:03:15.710 --> 00:03:18.710 focus slightly. The Middle East was huge in his 00:03:18.710 --> 00:03:21.389 final address. Understandably. What were his 00:03:21.389 --> 00:03:23.870 main points there? He called for a ceasefire 00:03:23.870 --> 00:03:27.389 in Gaza. Explicitly. Just a general call or more 00:03:27.389 --> 00:03:30.310 specific? More specific. He also demanded increased 00:03:30.310 --> 00:03:34.090 humanitarian aid to Gaza and pointedly said it's 00:03:34.090 --> 00:03:36.569 been blocked. He called out the aid blockage. 00:03:37.110 --> 00:03:39.770 That's quite direct. Very. And he also pleaded 00:03:39.770 --> 00:03:42.090 for the release of the Israeli hostages held 00:03:42.090 --> 00:03:45.310 by Hamas. So addressing key demands from both 00:03:45.310 --> 00:03:48.520 sides of that immediate conflict. Exactly. He 00:03:48.520 --> 00:03:51.439 spoke of his closeness to the sufferings of Christians 00:03:51.439 --> 00:03:54.240 in Palestine and Israel, and to all the Israeli 00:03:54.240 --> 00:03:56.500 people and the Palestinian people. Trying to 00:03:56.500 --> 00:03:58.379 bridge that divide, acknowledge the suffering 00:03:58.379 --> 00:04:00.900 on all sides. And interestingly, he worried about 00:04:00.900 --> 00:04:03.580 the growing climate of anti -Semitism throughout 00:04:03.580 --> 00:04:06.560 the world, right alongside his concern for the 00:04:06.560 --> 00:04:08.879 Christian community in Gaza. That's a complex 00:04:08.879 --> 00:04:12.259 balance, recognizing anti -Semitism and the specific 00:04:12.259 --> 00:04:14.560 plight of Christians in Gaza simultaneously. 00:04:14.719 --> 00:04:16.839 It shows an awareness of the different layers 00:04:16.839 --> 00:04:19.860 of tension and suffering there. A very nuanced 00:04:19.860 --> 00:04:23.300 perspective on a deeply complex region. And his 00:04:23.300 --> 00:04:25.819 focus wasn't just the Israeli -Palestinian conflict. 00:04:25.920 --> 00:04:27.980 He covered a lot of ground. Like where else? 00:04:28.480 --> 00:04:31.100 Lebanon and Syria, he mentioned, a delicate transition. 00:04:31.759 --> 00:04:35.230 Then Yemen. Which often gets overlooked. Right. 00:04:35.490 --> 00:04:37.870 He called it one of the world's most serious 00:04:37.870 --> 00:04:40.730 and prolonged humanitarian crises because of 00:04:40.730 --> 00:04:43.230 war and pushed for dialogue. And this is happening 00:04:43.230 --> 00:04:45.589 while the U .S. has been bombing Houthi targets 00:04:45.589 --> 00:04:49.389 there. Exactly. The call for dialogue lands quite 00:04:49.389 --> 00:04:51.670 pointedly in that context. Definitely. What about 00:04:51.670 --> 00:04:54.589 Ukraine? He prayed for a lasting peace there 00:04:54.589 --> 00:04:57.470 too and expressed real disappointment about the 00:04:57.470 --> 00:04:59.810 Easter truce breaking down. Yeah, that didn't 00:04:59.810 --> 00:05:02.670 last long. Sadly. No. And our sources mentioned 00:05:02.670 --> 00:05:04.949 the peace talks are stalled. Secretary of State 00:05:04.949 --> 00:05:07.709 Marco Rubio even warned about potentially ending 00:05:07.709 --> 00:05:10.709 negotiations if there's no progress. So not a 00:05:10.709 --> 00:05:12.769 very hopeful picture there either. Not really. 00:05:12.949 --> 00:05:15.009 He also mentioned violence and conflict in the 00:05:15.009 --> 00:05:18.069 Democratic Republic of Congo, South Sudan, Sudan. 00:05:18.389 --> 00:05:20.430 Sudan just hit the two -year mark of that terrible 00:05:20.430 --> 00:05:23.569 war. He noted that. And the hunger crisis in 00:05:23.569 --> 00:05:26.100 the Horn of Africa. He prayed for people suffering 00:05:26.100 --> 00:05:29.180 in the Sahel, the Great Lakes region, called 00:05:29.180 --> 00:05:32.259 for peace between Armenia and Azerbaijan, even 00:05:32.259 --> 00:05:35.319 mentioned the earthquake in Myanmar. Wow. It's 00:05:35.319 --> 00:05:38.139 like a global tour of crises and suffering. It 00:05:38.139 --> 00:05:40.480 really was comprehensive, a reminder of how much 00:05:40.480 --> 00:05:42.500 is going on that doesn't always make the headlines. 00:05:42.779 --> 00:05:45.399 A truly global perspective in his final thoughts. 00:05:45.579 --> 00:05:48.600 And one more thing with the U .S.-Iran nuclear 00:05:48.600 --> 00:05:51.519 talks happening. Yes. He included a call for 00:05:51.519 --> 00:05:54.379 true disarmament. He warned that defense shouldn't 00:05:54.379 --> 00:05:57.259 become a race to rearmament. That's a classic 00:05:57.259 --> 00:05:59.339 Vatican position, isn't it? Washington against 00:05:59.339 --> 00:06:02.019 arms races. Yes, a consistent message. So, OK, 00:06:02.980 --> 00:06:05.600 how does all this connect back to, say, the Trump 00:06:05.600 --> 00:06:07.620 administration's policies? Well, the most obvious 00:06:07.620 --> 00:06:10.100 link is that warning about anti -migrant sentiment. 00:06:10.300 --> 00:06:12.620 Right, which lands right as the administration 00:06:12.620 --> 00:06:15.199 is pushing to deport people they're calling alien 00:06:15.199 --> 00:06:17.259 enemies. And we have that specific example from 00:06:17.259 --> 00:06:20.689 the sources. The Supreme Court just temporarily 00:06:20.689 --> 00:06:23.449 stopped deportations of some Venezuelan. To that 00:06:23.449 --> 00:06:26.269 CE -COT prison in El Salvador, yeah. What's really 00:06:26.269 --> 00:06:28.149 interesting is the legal angle they're using. 00:06:28.750 --> 00:06:31.750 The Alien Enemies Act. Yeah, it's a law from, 00:06:31.750 --> 00:06:35.649 what, 1798? Exactly. It gives the president powers 00:06:35.649 --> 00:06:38.149 during a declared war or invasion. Which we don't 00:06:38.149 --> 00:06:41.410 have. Precisely. And the Supreme Court seems 00:06:41.410 --> 00:06:44.149 skeptical. They issue that stay with a 7 -2 vote. 00:06:44.829 --> 00:06:48.019 Only justice is Thomas Enelito. dissented. So 00:06:48.019 --> 00:06:50.240 the court is basically questioning if that old 00:06:50.240 --> 00:06:52.699 law even applies right now. It seems so. And 00:06:52.699 --> 00:06:54.519 it connects to an earlier ruling too, doesn't 00:06:54.519 --> 00:06:56.920 it? Ah, yeah. The unanimous one from early April. 00:06:57.540 --> 00:07:00.279 That said, detainees need proper notice before 00:07:00.279 --> 00:07:03.209 deportation so they can challenge it. due process. 00:07:03.870 --> 00:07:06.170 And the suspicion now is that the administration 00:07:06.170 --> 00:07:08.449 didn't follow that properly. Maybe just gave 00:07:08.449 --> 00:07:10.370 them a notice in English they couldn't understand 00:07:10.370 --> 00:07:12.529 or didn't explain their rights. Seems to be the 00:07:12.529 --> 00:07:14.889 core issue. The court isn't saying who can be 00:07:14.889 --> 00:07:18.550 deported yet, just how it has to be done. Fairly, 00:07:18.709 --> 00:07:20.750 legally. It's all about the process. The due 00:07:20.750 --> 00:07:23.029 process piece is fundamental. So what happens 00:07:23.029 --> 00:07:24.870 next with that case? It goes back to the Fifth 00:07:24.870 --> 00:07:28.110 Circuit Court of Appeals. But there's more legal 00:07:28.110 --> 00:07:31.290 heat too, right? Yeah, a district judge, Boesberg, 00:07:31.529 --> 00:07:34.529 started contempt proceedings earlier, said the 00:07:34.529 --> 00:07:36.769 administration wasn't giving info on previous 00:07:36.769 --> 00:07:40.189 deportations. So multiple legal fronts challenging 00:07:40.189 --> 00:07:42.569 these deportation policies. It really highlights 00:07:42.569 --> 00:07:45.089 the pushback happening within the courts. And 00:07:45.089 --> 00:07:47.870 the whole idea of deporting people to a third 00:07:47.870 --> 00:07:51.009 country's prison, especially without a U .S. 00:07:51.250 --> 00:07:53.949 criminal conviction, that's unusual, isn't it? 00:07:54.029 --> 00:07:56.910 Very unusual. Our sources point that out. Potentially 00:07:56.910 --> 00:07:59.610 lifelong detention in a foreign prison without 00:07:59.610 --> 00:08:01.949 a U .S. trial. What are the implications of that? 00:08:02.050 --> 00:08:04.310 Outsourcing detention essentially. Raises huge 00:08:04.310 --> 00:08:07.589 questions. Oversight, human rights in those facilities, 00:08:07.889 --> 00:08:10.529 accountability. It's murky. And then there was 00:08:10.529 --> 00:08:13.189 that comment from the acting ICE director, Todd 00:08:13.189 --> 00:08:15.889 Lyons. Oh, right. The business analogy. Comparing 00:08:15.889 --> 00:08:18.949 deportations to Amazon's 24 -hour delivery. That 00:08:18.949 --> 00:08:21.350 landed badly, according to the sources. Comparisons 00:08:21.350 --> 00:08:24.329 to historical atrocities. Hannah Arendt's banality 00:08:24.329 --> 00:08:26.550 of evil. Yeah, using a logistics metaphor for 00:08:26.550 --> 00:08:29.329 deporting human beings. It sounds quite jarring. 00:08:29.649 --> 00:08:32.509 It risks trivializing the human impact, doesn't 00:08:32.509 --> 00:08:36.059 it? That idea of the banality of evil just following 00:08:36.059 --> 00:08:38.799 orders in a system, losing sight of the moral 00:08:38.799 --> 00:08:41.419 implications, that comparison seems intended 00:08:41.419 --> 00:08:44.139 to provoke thought about the detachment involved. 00:08:44.539 --> 00:08:46.879 And the geography of detention is shifting too. 00:08:47.360 --> 00:08:50.139 Louisiana is becoming a major hub. Yeah, secondly 00:08:50.139 --> 00:08:53.080 to Texas. Apparently it's mostly about available 00:08:53.080 --> 00:08:55.659 prison space there in the Fifth Circuit's jurisdiction. 00:08:56.000 --> 00:08:58.759 Even though Louisiana itself doesn't have a huge 00:08:58.759 --> 00:09:01.379 immigrant population or border. Right. And there 00:09:01.379 --> 00:09:03.279 are reports of deplorable conditions in those 00:09:03.279 --> 00:09:07.039 facilities. So concentrating detention away from 00:09:07.039 --> 00:09:10.440 major immigrant centers may be less access to 00:09:10.440 --> 00:09:13.259 lawyers, family. Those are definitely concerns 00:09:13.259 --> 00:09:15.419 raised by concentrating facilities like that. 00:09:15.559 --> 00:09:18.259 Plus the conditions themselves. And ICE apparently 00:09:18.259 --> 00:09:20.799 wants more detention beds despite funding issues. 00:09:20.860 --> 00:09:22.480 That's what the sources suggest. A significant 00:09:22.480 --> 00:09:24.500 increase. And private contractors, their stocks 00:09:24.500 --> 00:09:27.850 are up. The GEO Group, Deployed Resources LLC. 00:09:28.269 --> 00:09:30.649 Which leads to this idea of a potential constitutional 00:09:30.649 --> 00:09:33.389 crisis. How so? Well, if the Supreme Court issues 00:09:33.389 --> 00:09:37.490 a clear ruling on, say, due process, and the 00:09:37.490 --> 00:09:39.289 administration were perceived as not following 00:09:39.289 --> 00:09:42.190 it, that's a major clash over the separation 00:09:42.190 --> 00:09:45.070 of powers. Okay, I see. High stakes. Very high. 00:09:45.389 --> 00:09:47.590 Now let's connect another thread from the Pokes 00:09:47.590 --> 00:09:51.570 message. His call to help the needy promote development. 00:09:52.330 --> 00:09:55.289 How did that link up? Well, with the news about 00:09:55.289 --> 00:09:58.529 Trump's proposed tariffs potentially making Christmas, 00:09:59.370 --> 00:10:02.529 uh, grinchy, as one source put it. Ah, the tariffs 00:10:02.529 --> 00:10:05.330 on Chinese goods. Yeah. Affecting toys. Exactly. 00:10:05.750 --> 00:10:08.389 Apparently, 75 % of toys sold here are made in 00:10:08.389 --> 00:10:12.090 China. They could face, like, a 145 % price hike. 00:10:12.210 --> 00:10:15.049 Wow, 145%. That would make a huge difference 00:10:15.049 --> 00:10:17.210 at the checkout. For sure. Especially for families 00:10:17.210 --> 00:10:19.450 on tighter budgets. And shifting production isn't 00:10:19.450 --> 00:10:21.149 quick, right? You can't just start making all 00:10:21.149 --> 00:10:23.500 those toys in the US overnight. Nope. Our sources 00:10:23.500 --> 00:10:25.600 say it's very difficult to ramp up that kind 00:10:25.600 --> 00:10:27.860 of manufacturing quickly, certainly not before 00:10:27.860 --> 00:10:30.100 the next holiday season. So potentially much 00:10:30.100 --> 00:10:33.259 more expensive gifts, or fewer gifts, for many 00:10:33.259 --> 00:10:35.980 kids, that definitely clashes with the Pope's 00:10:35.980 --> 00:10:38.549 message about helping the needy. It really highlights 00:10:38.549 --> 00:10:41.730 how these big economic policies can filter down 00:10:41.730 --> 00:10:43.870 and affect everyday life, family traditions. 00:10:44.129 --> 00:10:45.889 Absolutely, the interconnectedness of it all. 00:10:46.090 --> 00:10:48.730 OK, changing gears a bit. This mutual academic 00:10:48.730 --> 00:10:51.570 defense pact among Big Ten universities. That 00:10:51.570 --> 00:10:53.450 sounds interesting. Yeah, like a little NATO 00:10:53.450 --> 00:10:56.289 treaty for universities sharing legal and PR 00:10:56.289 --> 00:10:59.389 resources, a support fund. And it's framed as 00:10:59.389 --> 00:11:01.830 a response to the political climate, maybe inspired 00:11:01.830 --> 00:11:04.309 by what happened with Harvard. That seems to 00:11:04.309 --> 00:11:06.950 be the implication. A sense that universities 00:11:06.950 --> 00:11:09.929 need to band together to protect academic freedom 00:11:09.929 --> 00:11:13.110 and autonomy from, well, perceived political 00:11:13.110 --> 00:11:15.409 interference. Rutgers Faculty Senate kicked it 00:11:15.409 --> 00:11:18.830 off. Apparently so. And nearly 80 college presidents 00:11:18.830 --> 00:11:21.090 condemned the actions against Harvard earlier. 00:11:21.409 --> 00:11:23.350 So there's a sense of solidarity building. A 00:11:23.350 --> 00:11:26.350 sign of institutions feeling pressured, maybe. 00:11:26.529 --> 00:11:28.909 It certainly suggests they feel a need for collective 00:11:28.909 --> 00:11:31.549 defense in the current environment. Let's quickly 00:11:31.549 --> 00:11:33.710 touch on some election news to see how it fits 00:11:33.710 --> 00:11:36.779 the broader picture. Wisconsin Supreme Court, 00:11:37.059 --> 00:11:39.419 Susan Crawford's election. And the immediate 00:11:39.419 --> 00:11:42.580 impact on Governor Evers' veto power. That K 00:11:42.580 --> 00:11:44.879 -12 funding thing was quite something. Using 00:11:44.879 --> 00:11:47.779 the line item veto in that specific way, yeah, 00:11:48.019 --> 00:11:50.059 shows how tight things are in Wisconsin. And 00:11:50.059 --> 00:11:52.480 how much state Supreme Court elections matter 00:11:52.480 --> 00:11:55.519 for policy. Then there's Elise Stefanik. Her 00:11:55.519 --> 00:11:58.200 U .N. ambassador nomination seems stalled. Yeah. 00:11:58.200 --> 00:12:00.639 And now she's apparently eyeing a run for New 00:12:00.639 --> 00:12:02.720 York governor. But Republicans are worried about 00:12:02.720 --> 00:12:05.799 a divisive primary there. Seems so. It points 00:12:05.799 --> 00:12:08.960 to some internal party dynamics and maybe disagreements 00:12:08.960 --> 00:12:11.279 about strategy in New York. Down in Oakland, 00:12:11.539 --> 00:12:13.740 Barbara Lee won the mayor's race after the recall. 00:12:13.820 --> 00:12:16.100 But it was quite narrow, wasn't it, for someone 00:12:16.100 --> 00:12:18.779 with her profile? Yeah. And sources note her 00:12:18.779 --> 00:12:21.399 lack of executive experience as she tackles Oakland's 00:12:21.399 --> 00:12:23.620 challenges. It's a big shift from Congress to 00:12:23.620 --> 00:12:26.029 running a major city. She'll need to build different 00:12:26.029 --> 00:12:28.789 kinds of coalitions, manage differently. And 00:12:28.789 --> 00:12:31.210 the narrow win means unifying the city might 00:12:31.210 --> 00:12:33.809 be job number one. And finally, this Mark Carney 00:12:33.809 --> 00:12:37.009 situation in Canada. Running for PM as a liberal, 00:12:37.570 --> 00:12:39.870 explicitly against Trump. That's quite a shift, 00:12:40.210 --> 00:12:42.090 yeah. Usually Canadian leaders try to manage 00:12:42.090 --> 00:12:43.889 the relationship regardless of who's in the White 00:12:43.889 --> 00:12:48.350 House. So campaigning on being anti -Trump, what 00:12:48.350 --> 00:12:50.490 does that signal? Could be a calculation that 00:12:50.490 --> 00:12:53.029 it plays well with Canadian voters. Maybe a sign 00:12:53.029 --> 00:12:55.529 Canada wants to carve out a more distinct path, 00:12:55.710 --> 00:12:57.889 distance itself from the current U .S. administration. 00:12:58.370 --> 00:13:01.429 Could even be part of a wider global trend among 00:13:01.429 --> 00:13:04.149 allies. Interesting times for international relations. 00:13:04.929 --> 00:13:07.049 Okay, let's bring it back to Pope Francis one 00:13:07.049 --> 00:13:10.649 last time. The election of the next pope. It 00:13:10.649 --> 00:13:13.029 won't start for a couple weeks, sources say. 00:13:13.169 --> 00:13:14.950 Right, there's a whole process, the conclave. 00:13:15.309 --> 00:13:17.769 And the sources highlight how political recent 00:13:17.769 --> 00:13:20.950 papacies have become. Francis especially, his 00:13:20.950 --> 00:13:23.950 focus on the poor, migrants, his critiques of 00:13:23.950 --> 00:13:27.750 Trump, his openness to LGBTQ plus Catholics. 00:13:27.990 --> 00:13:30.250 He definitely had a distinct social and political 00:13:30.250 --> 00:13:33.210 emphasis. So the views of the next pope. They 00:13:33.210 --> 00:13:35.529 could really matter for American Catholics and 00:13:35.529 --> 00:13:38.110 maybe even U .S. politics more broadly? Absolutely. 00:13:38.610 --> 00:13:40.470 Given the size and influence of the Catholic 00:13:40.470 --> 00:13:42.610 vote in the U .S., the direction the next pope 00:13:42.610 --> 00:13:45.450 takes on key social and economic issues could 00:13:45.450 --> 00:13:47.809 definitely ripple through American society and 00:13:47.809 --> 00:13:51.129 politics. So wrapping this deep dive up, it feels 00:13:51.129 --> 00:13:53.169 like all these threads are pretty tangled together. 00:13:53.269 --> 00:13:55.990 They really are. The Pope's passing, his final 00:13:55.990 --> 00:13:58.110 warnings about division and contempt for the 00:13:58.110 --> 00:14:01.330 vulnerable. Landing right amidst these fierce 00:14:01.330 --> 00:14:03.730 debates and legal battles over immigration in 00:14:03.730 --> 00:14:06.789 the U .S. The economic anxieties tied to tariffs, 00:14:07.350 --> 00:14:09.389 the political shifts in places like Wisconsin 00:14:09.389 --> 00:14:12.070 and Canada, even universities feeling the need 00:14:12.070 --> 00:14:14.669 to circle the wagons. It all seems to echo those 00:14:14.669 --> 00:14:18.269 themes of compassion versus fear, inclusion versus 00:14:18.269 --> 00:14:20.389 isolation that Pope Francis was talking about 00:14:20.389 --> 00:14:22.909 right at the end. His final words really do seem 00:14:22.909 --> 00:14:24.919 to capture to the tension point of so many current 00:14:24.919 --> 00:14:27.259 events that call for justice, for compassion. 00:14:27.500 --> 00:14:29.679 It resonates across all these different stories. 00:14:29.919 --> 00:14:31.679 It really does. OK, so here's a final thought 00:14:31.679 --> 00:14:35.120 to maybe leave with our listeners. Pope Francis 00:14:35.120 --> 00:14:37.340 consistently stressed the dignity of every single 00:14:37.340 --> 00:14:40.740 person, warning against that logic of fear, thinking 00:14:40.740 --> 00:14:43.320 about his legacy. How might that core message 00:14:43.320 --> 00:14:45.980 continue to challenge or maybe inspire leaders 00:14:45.980 --> 00:14:48.399 and ordinary people as we try to navigate all 00:14:48.399 --> 00:14:51.039 these really complex, interconnected issues going 00:14:51.039 --> 00:14:53.289 forward? That's a big question. How does that 00:14:53.289 --> 00:14:56.429 message endure in this particular climate? Something 00:14:56.429 --> 00:14:57.629 definitely worth pondering.