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Welcome to Fiendish & Friends

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episode five. Real money, real

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tokens, real talk. Joining us

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for today's episode. We have

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two wizards coming into cast

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spells with Riften Labs CEO

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Dagger Valberg, Johansson and

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Shadow Wizard Archmage, Halvor,

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Bakke-Veiby behind

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Cauldron and Moria. We get to

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learn about Cauldron Dex,

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Moria protocol and Moria USD

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while cracking open some

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magical green and little

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things that we're going to

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talk about today. We're going

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to be opening some magical

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green elixirs together during

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the hour. Before we begin,

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finish and friends are running

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two giveaways today for a chance

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to grab a big stash of up to

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60,000 emerald, and we have

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some Moria USD to hand out.

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Just be present at the spaces

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and comment your cash token

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addresses to win. More details

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can be found on our Twitter

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profile or in finishing

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friends Telegram group. This

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week, we're going to be

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opening up a slew of

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improvements to our favorite

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Bitcoin cash power user

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wallet, including updates to

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the user interface and

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expanded features such as

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support for 15 18 and 24 word

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seed phrases. There's also

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been some nice enhancements

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to cash fusions, cash tokens

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and RPA. Along with your

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regular bug fixes. BCH dot

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Games now offers daily,

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weekly and monthly racing

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events. You can climb the

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leaderboard and potentially

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claim up to $6000 in prizes

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every month through placing

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and winning bets and just like

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with BCH. There are no

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barriers and everyone can join

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and test their chops against

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other players. Moria USD and

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asset backed stable coin,

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which uses BCH has

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collateral has over $20,000

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total value locked on cauldron

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keeping it in pole position on

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the leaderboard. The prize

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will be sent out to 15 lucky

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live listeners of this

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episode who post their cash

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tokens aware address in the

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spaces comments. So if you

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haven't done that already,

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drop your cash token aware

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address now. Finish tokens

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price and BCH has risen over

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the week, leveling up two

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places and is currently in

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fifth place on the cauldron

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leaderboard. The fetish

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token supercharged is a

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community through social

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games, exclusive access to

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goodies and services and can

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be used to win a prize.

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The prize is a free token

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one fiendish is backed by a

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minimum of one minute fiendish

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services consultation

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expertise and fun and the

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witness token is a winner.

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The Bitcoin Cash podcast.

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The mean master Luke Pryor

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around the BCH 2024 cash

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tokens mean coin competition

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with the best new meme coin

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winning one BCH and guess

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which coin one that's right.

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The winner will be the winner

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of the prize. The winner will

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win $136 to find out why

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finish token was chosen as

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the number one new coin on

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BCH. It might make sense just

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to get some in case it

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catches on. Congratulations

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to all participants, but

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especially to mean coin

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someone and smile for making

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second and third place

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respectively. And a big shout

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out to everyone who joined in

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the fun. There were many

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people who joined in the fun

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and the new song for BCH a

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world United, which was reposted

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yesterday for your listening

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pleasure. The link to the song

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could be found in the comments

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coming up in a minute. And for

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those listening to the

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recording, the song can be

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played or will be played at the

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end of this episode. Didn't get

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it on the live stream,

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unfortunately, produced a

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technical complications. BCH

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All Star poker game will be

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live streamed this Saturday,

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the 14th of December on the

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YouTube channel. We'll be

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live streaming the song from

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BCH Callisto and yours truly

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battle out over the cards two

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hours long winner takes all

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more excited by this chance to

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take everyone's hard and BCH

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Roger Bear, famous Bitcoin and

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Bitcoin Cash proponent was on

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Tucker Carlson of all people to

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explain to the world how BTC

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was hijacked as part of

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raising awareness for his new

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book, hijacking Bitcoin and

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how Bitcoin Cash saved Bitcoin

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a peer to peer electronic cash

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system. Finally, Emerald has

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received an upgrade. Do you

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have something you want

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shouted out on finish and

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friends? Maybe a call out to an

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awesome person, a product or

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something you think is fun. Now

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it's possible with a fiendish

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shout out. Just send 100,000

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Emerald to finish and friends

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before or during an episode,

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comment the transaction ID and

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up to 10 words in a Twitter

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account. And then you'll be

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able to get a free free

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free free free free free

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fiendish crypto. Stay up to

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date with all the latest BCH

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insights and news by following

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the Bitcoin Cash Foundation on

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Twitter, and that was the news

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and with all that in mind,

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history is now in the making.

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Here is the first ever fiendish

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shout out. Area VPN dot net a

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bunch of self licensed

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cypher punks at your service.

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Thank you, Bruno. Area VPN

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dot net a bunch of self

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licensed cypher punks at your

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service. Without a further

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second of waiting, let's get

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our wizards hats on crack open

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a potion and start stirring the

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cauldron to see what spells we

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can conduct on today's show. So

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please welcome Shadow Wizards

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Dagger and Halvor under the

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stage. Hi guys. Welcome to

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finish from friends. Thank you

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so much finish. Thank you. Wow

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what an intro. Yeah, it's

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amazing when you actually

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get to see what's going on in

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the world right now in the

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ecosystem, and it's very

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exciting and there's a lot

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going on with you guys, right?

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And rift and labs. So I think

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over the last few weeks,

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everyone in BCH has either

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heard about or come into

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contact in some form with one

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of your products, but probably

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aren't aware of the team behind

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Mori and cauldron. So who are

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the wizards behind rift and

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labs? Let's hear. Yeah, so we

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actually have a couple of them

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here. We have a guy named

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Jacob, aka Shadow Wizard

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number nine, the principal

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engineer and super, super

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talented PhD from the Norwegian

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University of Science and

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Technology. Uh we have me

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Halvor Shadow Wizard number

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two. I'm a rocket engineer. I

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joined as the kind of second

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guy, uh, or also super

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talented crypto person, uh,

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Ethereum guy and also a stunt

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BCH supporter. And of course,

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we have the Shadow Wizard

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High Priest himself, the King

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dagger, Valberg, uh, my, uh,

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trusted companion and, uh,

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yeah, the inventor of colon

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protocol, the more a protocol

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is, the more powerful it is.

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yeah, our team is growing

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basically every week. We have

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partners all over the world.

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introduction of M. U. S. D.

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try and always get eight hours

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people saying to the other guys,

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20 BCH locked into cold run

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the test, I would consider it

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a success. And we already have

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closer to 40 last time I

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checked. So people are really,

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really using really testing out

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it, testing it out. I'm very

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glad about it. Yeah, that's

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um, did it goes to be expected?

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test periods, I would be happy.

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I'm, I'm, we actually do that

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looking forward to see where

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that goes. So it's kind of

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about your backgrounds. I

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rocket scientist. How does a

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rocket scientist, uh, do you

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know? How does a rocket

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scientist end up working as a

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wizard for Dex and, uh, and

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for Rift and Labs and BCH?

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developer in the first Bitcoin

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world app in Norway together

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with some other super talented

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people. Torquil, Rogstad, Bjorn

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Olof, um, the guys that run,

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it's a centralized exchange and,

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people. Um, when we did that,

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I, uh, co-founded a corking

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space in Trondheim where, uh,

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it's in the north of Norway,

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which is the place where the

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Rift and Labs HQ is right now

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and where me and Dagger is in

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each of our, uh, rooms. So,

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uh, working here, I started,

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uh, to, uh, learn about the

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rocket engineering and, uh,

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started working at the rocket

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lab at the Norwegian University

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of Science and Technology and,

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uh, eventually dropped out to

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create, uh, machines that clean

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up space debris and, uh, Dagger

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is actually my second ever

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investor only after Mr.

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Shasta there. So, this is kind

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of how this, uh, came to be.

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Last summer, Dagger came to me

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and said, uh, I'm going to

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build the world's fastest

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techs. Do you want to help?

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I said, yeah. And now we're

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here.

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That is amazing. And, uh, yeah,

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you build up quite a team quite

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quickly, um, behind Rift and

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Labs. So, it's really, really

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exciting to see that growth

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happening in Bitcoin Cash. Um,

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so Rift and Labs is responsible

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for several exciting BCH

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products. Um, so, um, I'm

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excited to see that growth

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happening in Bitcoin Cash.

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So, it's really exciting BCH

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products. One of the latest to

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be released in the Alpha

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performance you already

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mentioned is the, the Moria

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USD and the Moria Protocol.

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Can you tell our audience,

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like, what's the difference

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between these two things?

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What's the differentiator and

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why should everyone here be

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excited by them?

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Um, what's the question?

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Sorry, the picture was covering

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my mic and I couldn't get rid

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of it. Um, no, the question

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was, so we've got the Moria

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Protocol and Moria USD.

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Okay.

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Uh, the difference between them

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and those two?

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Well, the protocol is basically

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a smart contract.

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So, it's, uh, it's poorly

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managed. It's open source.

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And, uh, and, and it is what

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allows you to mint the, uh,

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USD. Um, and the way you mint

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the USD is that you put up some

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BCH as collateral, like, um,

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this BCH is kind of a proof

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that, uh, USD has value, right?

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It's, it's backing the USD

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out. So, you can't just mint

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USD. And this is also what gives

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it its value. So, you put in

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collateral and you say, like, I

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want to get 100 USD out. That

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means you have to put in at least

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150 USD worth of BCH out, uh,

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in, into collateral. And that

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is basically the protocol. So,

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it's basically, it is a loan

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contract that also is a stable

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contract. So, you have two

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presents in one. Um, and this

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gives you a very, very

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transparent, uh, stable coin

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where you can see that, yeah,

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there is actually some,

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something backing it. And it's

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also, um, since it's a smart

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contract, it is, uh, there's no

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third party that can stop it.

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And that's because, uh, now you

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can, uh, like the, it has many

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use cases. Um, but for

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investors, the use case would

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be you get to keep your BCH

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even though you want to do

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other investments, right? So,

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say you want to buy some Tesla

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stock, um, but you need

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liquidity. So, do you sell your

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BCH to buy a Tesla stock? Or,

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well, in this case, you can keep

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your BCH even though you want

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to sell it. So, yeah, that's

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right. You get to keep your BCH

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and you get to buy a Tesla. So,

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it's, uh, it allows you to keep

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your investment in that way.

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Yeah, okay. That was a great,

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great question is, yeah, what

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is the use case? And that's,

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that's, uh, that's exactly it

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because especially right now in

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a bull run to sell BCH to

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invest into something else would

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be, uh, probably a pretty,

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pretty, uh, crazy move or not,

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not a, not a very smart move,

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but, um, I'm a CEO, government

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in America and a new SEC head.

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Um, so, so I could go to

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Moria. I want to have some

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liquidity. I want to buy, as

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you say, some Tesla shares or

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maybe I need to make that, that

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payment on, on whatever it is I

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need to do. I can go to Moria.

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I bring my BCH. I lock it up in

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a smart contract and as I

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understand this, there's no

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then third party counter risk.

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It's, it's just the contract

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there. So, even if Riften Labs

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was to disappear and go away,

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I would still have that

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contract that I've made when

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I've deposited my BCH and in

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return, I get some Moria USD.

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So this, this new stable coin

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on Bitcoin Cash. Um, so just to

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understand how much BCH would I

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need to deposit relative to the

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value of the Moria USD that I

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get out of that. You need to

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deposit 50% more. So 150% to

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the loan is allowed to go down

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in collateral until 110%. And

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there, so you have some, some

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room there. But if you go down

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below 110%, it basically becomes

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a, technically it becomes like

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anyone can spend the contract.

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That means that anyone can pay

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back your loan and take your

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collateral. That's only if you

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go under 110%. So, and then the

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logic behind that is when you

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don't keep your collateral high,

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if you, if you allow it to go

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that far down, you're kind of

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putting the protocol at risk,

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right? Because what gives a

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new value is that you actually

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have some other assets backing

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up. And the final 10% is your

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punishment. And someone else's,

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thank you. Like it

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incentivizes other people to

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pick up your bad loan. And keep

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the protocol going.

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Yeah, it makes sense. Yeah, keep

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the protocol going, keep that

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USD backed, MUSD backed and

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making sure that it stays

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stable. Makes sense. Okay, so

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then I guess then 150% is the

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maximum limit of collateral.

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So, if you're talking about

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collateralization, I guess

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there's a possibility of also

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making it even more

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collateralized. Is there a

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maximum limit of the

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collateralization that you can

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use?

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There is no, technically no

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maximum, but we added up to

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500% in the user interface. But

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if you go and do it outside our

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user interface, then you can

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put as much as you want.

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So, I think that's the

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biggest challenge for BCH,

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because of course there are

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other tools out there to

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stabilize the value of BCH.

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There is AnyHedge from General

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Protocols. But it comes with

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some more technical aspects

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which might shy away or make

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people shy away from that to

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less use to the ecosystem, less

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use to the company. Stable coins

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is something that everyone is

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aware of. It's very simple. You

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have a token in your wallet. It

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is a token that you can exchange

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for a dollar's worth of value

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or whatever the stable coin is.

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So, I think this is something

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that people will jump at

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potentially much more because

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it's understood. And it sounds

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like that's what you're seeing

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too. So, it's beat expectations

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and you've had double the usage

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so far that you expected just

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in a few days, which suggests

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that there's a lot more to come

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with MUSD. But it's currently

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when you go on to app.moria.

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money, which is the Moria

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protocol it's got on here, this

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is an experimental and time

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limited test run. And of course

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there's a link there to go and

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people can read up some more of

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the risks there and what the

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test run is. But maybe you could

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just sum it up in a few

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sentences. What is the stage of

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MUSD? What is this test run?

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And when does it come to an end?

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The test run is, the protocol is

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very simple today. We would like

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to add some more features to it.

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And the test run is basically to

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test what we can make with the

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current consensus limitations

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and see if it's a viable product.

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The only way to test a product

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like this is to do it with real

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money because if you put it on

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testnet, it doesn't really make

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sense because testnet coins don't

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have any money behind them, right?

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They're worthless. So they're not

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real collateral. So this is

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basically the best way to test it.

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And we have decided before

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launching that this is a test run.

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This is not the final product.

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And that's why we added something

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called sunset clause. And sunset

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clause is basically a more

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convenient way to end because

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it's become cash, right? And

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because it's become cash, you

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always own the money. You own the

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UTXOS. We can't just shut it

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down cleanly. So this is the

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cleanest way to do it. When the

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sunset clause is triggered and it

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can be triggered by us, that

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means that anyone holding MUSD is

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able to pay back any loan. And

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when you pay back using the

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sunset clause, you get BCH equal

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the MUSD value you have. And all

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the over collateralized BCH goes

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back to whoever created the

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original loan contract.

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So basically I haven't bought

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enough more of your USD is what

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you're telling me.

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Yeah. This means that if MUSD

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goes to 90 cents, for example,

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you could buy 100 MUSD for $90

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and just keep it until the

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sunset and you will get $100

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worth of BCH back. So it would

565
00:20:44,700 --> 00:20:46,600
be an amazing arbitrage

566
00:20:46,700 --> 00:20:48,600
opportunity if MUSD would ever

567
00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:53,500
go below PEG.

568
00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:54,500
That's good to know.

569
00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:56,500
I would not recommend you to put

570
00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,500
more.

571
00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,500
All right. So I shouldn't invest

572
00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:02,500
a couple of hundred grand right

573
00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:03,500
now because I just had it line

574
00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,500
down.

575
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:11,500
APY is 9.12%. So I'm just saying.

576
00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,500
Yeah. I'd imagine it's really

577
00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,500
valuable what you're doing here

578
00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,500
because, of course, everything

579
00:21:17,500 --> 00:21:19,400
can be theoretically very nice

580
00:21:19,500 --> 00:21:21,400
and working very well. But once

581
00:21:21,500 --> 00:21:23,400
you've got real money on the

582
00:21:23,500 --> 00:21:24,400
table, then people's psychology

583
00:21:24,500 --> 00:21:26,400
is different, of course, when

584
00:21:26,500 --> 00:21:28,400
it's fake money and then you can

585
00:21:28,500 --> 00:21:30,400
really start testing the system

586
00:21:30,500 --> 00:21:32,400
and test for any weak points.

587
00:21:32,500 --> 00:21:33,400
And I think this is a really

588
00:21:33,500 --> 00:21:34,400
good thing to do. So, of course,

589
00:21:34,500 --> 00:21:35,400
everyone that's, you know,

590
00:21:35,500 --> 00:21:37,400
there's $20,000 locked in, I'm

591
00:21:37,500 --> 00:21:38,400
guessing quite a lot of

592
00:21:38,500 --> 00:21:39,400
participants in this, but it

593
00:21:39,500 --> 00:21:41,400
should be treated very much as,

594
00:21:41,500 --> 00:21:42,400
you know, a testing phase, from

595
00:21:42,500 --> 00:21:44,400
what I understand. And just to,

596
00:21:44,500 --> 00:21:45,400
you know, just to stress this

597
00:21:45,500 --> 00:21:46,400
out before the full rollout.

598
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:47,300
And what I'd love to know is,

599
00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,300
like, so far, you've mentioned

600
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:50,300
that you've had some sleepless

601
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,300
nights, and I imagine this is

602
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:53,300
very, very big for you guys and

603
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:54,300
you want to make sure everything

604
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,300
is going smooth and that it's a

605
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,300
great success. And you've

606
00:21:58,400 --> 00:21:59,300
already mentioned to some of

607
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:00,300
that, you know, it's been an

608
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,300
impressive adoption so far. Have

609
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:04,300
you guys stumbled into any bugs

610
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:05,300
that have been identified or

611
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:06,300
anything that you can share

612
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:07,300
where you think, you know, where

613
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,300
you've made some improvements or

614
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:13,300
some adjustments to this?

615
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:14,300
We've had a few, like, future

616
00:22:14,300 --> 00:22:16,200
requests, like people want to

617
00:22:16,300 --> 00:22:17,200
partially pay back their loan,

618
00:22:17,300 --> 00:22:19,200
which is understandable, but

619
00:22:19,300 --> 00:22:21,200
there is no, I mean, the

620
00:22:21,300 --> 00:22:24,200
contract is exactly 201 upcodes,

621
00:22:24,300 --> 00:22:26,200
which is the consensus limit

622
00:22:26,300 --> 00:22:28,200
today, so we can't add any more

623
00:22:28,300 --> 00:22:31,200
features. And I just want to

624
00:22:31,300 --> 00:22:33,200
point out that, yeah, it is a

625
00:22:33,300 --> 00:22:36,200
test run and there are very few

626
00:22:36,300 --> 00:22:38,200
people in the world who are able

627
00:22:38,300 --> 00:22:40,200
to audit the contract. We have

628
00:22:40,300 --> 00:22:43,200
had a few people who have

629
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,100
been, I'm not going to say the

630
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:46,100
names in case anything goes

631
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,100
wrong, but we have had some of

632
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,100
the best people we know look

633
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,100
into it and review the

634
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,100
contract. But it is a test, so

635
00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:02,100
yeah. Besides that, we will be

636
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:07,100
adding, I have talked a lot with

637
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,100
Marius here in the chat and we

638
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,100
talked a lot about how we could

639
00:23:12,100 --> 00:23:16,000
keep, like, push the value up in

640
00:23:16,100 --> 00:23:18,000
case it starts going down and

641
00:23:18,100 --> 00:23:20,000
the one way of doing that is to

642
00:23:20,100 --> 00:23:23,000
increase the borrow fee in case

643
00:23:23,100 --> 00:23:25,000
the peg goes up. And that's one

644
00:23:25,100 --> 00:23:27,000
of the features we will be

645
00:23:27,100 --> 00:23:29,000
adding in the next test run. And

646
00:23:29,100 --> 00:23:31,000
that's also an important feature

647
00:23:31,100 --> 00:23:34,000
in similar products like

648
00:23:34,100 --> 00:23:37,000
liquidity. Yeah.

649
00:23:37,100 --> 00:23:39,000
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

650
00:23:39,100 --> 00:23:40,000
And how has the peg been so far?

651
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,900
So I'm just looking at it now.

652
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,900
Current price on cauldron is

653
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:49,900
.994 dollars. So it seems to be

654
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:51,900
maintaining its peg quite well

655
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:52,900
and we have had quite a bit

656
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:54,900
volatility with the BCH price

657
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,900
since that has launched. Are

658
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:58,900
you happy with, you know, of

659
00:23:59,000 --> 00:23:59,900
course, liquidity is going to

660
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:00,900
impact this, I would assume,

661
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:01,900
quite greatly. So the less

662
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,900
liquidity, the smaller the

663
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,900
ecosystem, the more a coin like

664
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,900
this should move between a

665
00:24:08,900 --> 00:24:10,800
certain range as people buy it

666
00:24:10,900 --> 00:24:12,800
and sell it. But how has that

667
00:24:12,900 --> 00:24:14,800
been maintained since launch?

668
00:24:14,900 --> 00:24:16,800
Is it good? You happy with it?

669
00:24:16,900 --> 00:24:18,800
Oh, I'm very happy with it.

670
00:24:18,900 --> 00:24:20,800
It has been. What's interesting

671
00:24:20,900 --> 00:24:23,800
is that there are no bots, right?

672
00:24:23,900 --> 00:24:24,800
No one has developed bots yet

673
00:24:24,900 --> 00:24:26,800
and still the peg is being

674
00:24:26,900 --> 00:24:28,800
maintained. That just means that

675
00:24:28,900 --> 00:24:30,800
people are really following and

676
00:24:30,900 --> 00:24:33,800
interested and taking like the

677
00:24:33,900 --> 00:24:35,800
small opportunities there are.

678
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:42,700
Yeah.

679
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:44,700
Yeah, great. I think it's a good

680
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,700
sign then that there's enough

681
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,700
people in the community who are

682
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:50,700
interested in this to validate

683
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,700
you guys investing all this

684
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:54,700
time. And I really think being

685
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,700
able to safely store value in

686
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,700
something, in a stable coin

687
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:00,700
without leaving the BCH

688
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,700
ecosystem, this is a huge win

689
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:04,700
for BCH and as I've already

690
00:25:04,700 --> 00:25:06,600
said, to see all this testing

691
00:25:06,700 --> 00:25:08,600
and careful rollout of this

692
00:25:08,700 --> 00:25:10,600
technology is to be highly

693
00:25:10,700 --> 00:25:12,600
respected. This is a great way

694
00:25:12,700 --> 00:25:14,600
of reducing the risks until all

695
00:25:14,700 --> 00:25:16,600
the pieces of the jigsaw are in

696
00:25:16,700 --> 00:25:18,600
line and I guess all the kinks

697
00:25:18,700 --> 00:25:21,600
are in doubt. So yeah, Moria USD

698
00:25:21,700 --> 00:25:23,600
is available for those that are

699
00:25:23,700 --> 00:25:25,600
listening. You can purchase this

700
00:25:25,700 --> 00:25:27,600
on Cauldron Dex, which is another

701
00:25:27,700 --> 00:25:29,600
hugely popular BCH product

702
00:25:29,700 --> 00:25:31,600
created by you guys. So before

703
00:25:31,700 --> 00:25:33,600
just going into and discussing a

704
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,500
little bit about Cauldron, I've

705
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,500
got a second Phoenix shout out

706
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,500
here. This is from Cheepy and

707
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,500
his shout out is, please check

708
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,500
out fundme.cash forward slash

709
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,500
campaign forward slash 17 to

710
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,500
support my work. So go check

711
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,500
out Cheepy's fundraiser and be

712
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,500
the someone to help push it over

713
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,500
the finish line. All right, so

714
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,500
Cauldron. So Cauldron Dex is

715
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,500
something, as you guys are aware,

716
00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,500
I've been getting acquainted

717
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,500
with over the last few weeks.

718
00:26:01,500 --> 00:26:03,500
I've been getting a lot of

719
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,400
feedback from people who are

720
00:26:05,500 --> 00:26:07,400
interested in this and I've been

721
00:26:07,500 --> 00:26:09,400
really excited to be able to

722
00:26:09,500 --> 00:26:11,400
talk to them because I have to

723
00:26:11,500 --> 00:26:13,400
be quite frank, it's not my game.

724
00:26:13,500 --> 00:26:15,400
It's not the sort of thing that

725
00:26:15,500 --> 00:26:17,400
drove me to BCH, but I see

726
00:26:17,500 --> 00:26:19,400
there's a lot of interesting

727
00:26:19,500 --> 00:26:21,400
things, a lot of fun to be had

728
00:26:21,500 --> 00:26:23,400
there and I've been having a lot

729
00:26:23,500 --> 00:26:25,400
of fun interacting with your

730
00:26:25,500 --> 00:26:27,400
website and all the different

731
00:26:27,500 --> 00:26:29,400
wallet connect wallets. So tell

732
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,300
us, picture product, what does

733
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,300
Cauldron offer and why should

734
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,300
people go and check it out?

735
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,300
Cauldron is the world's fastest

736
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,300
Dex. Cauldron is built on the

737
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,300
original Bitcoin and

738
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,300
cryptocurrency philosophy that

739
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,300
having money and using money is

740
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,300
basically a human right. And

741
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,300
some might say that the ethos

742
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,300
of the crypto sphere has been

743
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,300
kind of diluted in the last

744
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,300
couple of years. So I think

745
00:26:58,300 --> 00:27:00,200
that's been kind of diluted over

746
00:27:00,300 --> 00:27:02,200
the past years and Cauldron was

747
00:27:02,300 --> 00:27:07,200
created to usher in a renaissance

748
00:27:07,300 --> 00:27:10,200
of this philosophy of everyone

749
00:27:10,300 --> 00:27:12,200
being able to use money

750
00:27:12,300 --> 00:27:15,200
everywhere. So Cauldron is

751
00:27:15,300 --> 00:27:18,200
simply a protocol and a website

752
00:27:18,300 --> 00:27:20,200
interface that anyone anywhere

753
00:27:20,300 --> 00:27:23,200
at any time can enter and a

754
00:27:23,300 --> 00:27:26,200
vault is automatically created

755
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,100
and you can swap tokens, you can

756
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,100
provide liquidity and what we

757
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,100
have seen, some of the stuff that

758
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,100
makes me most happy is actually

759
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,100
people in developing nations just

760
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,100
using the Cauldron web wallet as

761
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,100
just their wallet to just

762
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,100
transact and especially now with

763
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,100
MUSD this makes it so much

764
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,100
easier for people just to buy

765
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,100
bread using crypto. So this is

766
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,100
some of the stuff that's made me

767
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,100
actually most proud of what we

768
00:27:54,100 --> 00:27:57,000
have done with Cauldron and with

769
00:27:57,100 --> 00:28:00,000
Moria. So Cauldron is a decentralized

770
00:28:00,100 --> 00:28:02,000
exchange, it's a protocol out

771
00:28:02,100 --> 00:28:04,000
there in the world that just lets

772
00:28:04,100 --> 00:28:06,000
people transact with each other

773
00:28:06,100 --> 00:28:08,000
and increases freedom overall in

774
00:28:08,100 --> 00:28:11,000
the world.

775
00:28:11,100 --> 00:28:14,000
I would say Cauldron is also, I

776
00:28:14,100 --> 00:28:17,000
would say a DEX is like, it's the

777
00:28:17,100 --> 00:28:19,000
most loved DeFi product out there,

778
00:28:19,100 --> 00:28:22,000
right? You can't have decentralized

779
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,900
payments without having a way to

780
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,900
exchange your assets in a good

781
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:28,900
way. So it's basically a

782
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,900
cornerstone of DeFi. And it was

783
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,900
the first obvious product that

784
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,900
needed to be made to introduce

785
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,900
Bitcoin Cash to the DeFi system.

786
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,900
But it's also, it's fun. People

787
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,900
love to create an asset to have

788
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:48,900
something that represents a

789
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:50,900
community, to have something that

790
00:28:50,900 --> 00:28:52,800
represents something they value,

791
00:28:52,900 --> 00:28:59,800
right? And it's also a way to get

792
00:28:59,900 --> 00:29:01,800
like a passive yield. Like if you

793
00:29:01,900 --> 00:29:03,800
have trust in BC8 and you have

794
00:29:03,900 --> 00:29:05,800
trust in another token, then you

795
00:29:05,900 --> 00:29:07,800
can put it into a pool and you

796
00:29:07,900 --> 00:29:09,800
can collect passive yield over

797
00:29:09,900 --> 00:29:11,800
time. And this is a product we

798
00:29:11,900 --> 00:29:13,800
didn't have before on Bitcoin

799
00:29:13,900 --> 00:29:15,800
Cash. You couldn't just, your

800
00:29:15,900 --> 00:29:19,800
only way to gain passively was

801
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,700
to have the price go up, right?

802
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,700
And now you're providing a

803
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,700
service, right? You are a

804
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,700
market maker and you get some

805
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,700
yield for it, for your service.

806
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:36,700
This is also kind of fundamental

807
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,700
of the product that none of us

808
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,700
can rug anyone. Same with Moria.

809
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:48,700
It's we ourselves, the devs,

810
00:29:48,700 --> 00:29:51,600
don't know how to rug this. So

811
00:29:51,700 --> 00:29:53,600
with all these centralized

812
00:29:53,700 --> 00:29:55,600
crypto applications, you have

813
00:29:55,700 --> 00:29:57,600
this constant fear of being

814
00:29:57,700 --> 00:29:59,600
rugged. I actually myself wish to

815
00:29:59,700 --> 00:30:01,600
take up a loan in USDT because

816
00:30:01,700 --> 00:30:03,600
you basically know that it's

817
00:30:03,700 --> 00:30:05,600
going to be ruined one day or

818
00:30:05,700 --> 00:30:07,600
totally collapse under its own

819
00:30:07,700 --> 00:30:09,600
wings. So this is also a good

820
00:30:09,700 --> 00:30:11,600
thing when you're out there in

821
00:30:11,700 --> 00:30:13,600
the world. Just, you know, it's

822
00:30:13,700 --> 00:30:15,600
not your keys, not your coins

823
00:30:15,700 --> 00:30:17,600
and there are other ways to

824
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,500
do it. And there are malicious

825
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,500
actors out there. So the best

826
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,500
thing you can do is just to use

827
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,500
open source protocols and use

828
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,500
something wherein no one can

829
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,500
actually rug you and steal your

830
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,500
money. So this is what I love

831
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,500
about DeFi. This is the ethos

832
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,500
that Cauldron and Moria is built

833
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,500
upon.

834
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,500
Yeah, it is an awesome ethos and

835
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,500
it also means, yeah, as you say,

836
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,500
you don't have this third party

837
00:30:46,500 --> 00:30:48,400
risk. You can't be rugged by the

838
00:30:48,500 --> 00:30:52,400
developers. So it's a great

839
00:30:52,500 --> 00:30:55,400
asset to Bitcoin Cash. And I've

840
00:30:55,500 --> 00:30:57,400
definitely seen, you said, Dago,

841
00:30:57,500 --> 00:30:59,400
it's a lot of fun. And we've

842
00:30:59,500 --> 00:31:01,400
seen this. There's been a huge

843
00:31:01,500 --> 00:31:03,400
growth in the people that are

844
00:31:03,500 --> 00:31:05,400
trading tokens on here. So I'm

845
00:31:05,500 --> 00:31:07,400
not sure how many tokens you've

846
00:31:07,500 --> 00:31:09,400
got right now. I'm just

847
00:31:09,500 --> 00:31:12,400
scrolling down 227 different

848
00:31:12,500 --> 00:31:13,400
tokens.

849
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:17,300
I don't know how that compares

850
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,300
to other chains. I guess, you

851
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,300
know, something like Sol has

852
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,300
thousands. But considering the

853
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,300
fact that tokens have only been

854
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,300
available on Bitcoin Cash

855
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,300
network since last year.

856
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,300
And there are thousands of cash

857
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,300
tokens. These are just the ones

858
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,300
with liquidity on Cauldron. So I

859
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,300
think there's between five and

860
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,300
10,000. Last time I checked,

861
00:31:41,300 --> 00:31:44,200
I think May, there were 7,000

862
00:31:44,300 --> 00:31:47,200
cash tokens, CRC and BSMR. So

863
00:31:47,300 --> 00:31:50,200
there are literally thousands.

864
00:31:50,300 --> 00:31:54,200
Wow. Okay. There's a lot there.

865
00:31:54,300 --> 00:31:57,200
Okay. So that means we've got 227

866
00:31:57,300 --> 00:32:00,200
tokens that have some liquidity

867
00:32:00,300 --> 00:32:02,200
to some amount of BCH in the

868
00:32:02,300 --> 00:32:06,200
corresponding token on Cauldron.

869
00:32:06,300 --> 00:32:08,200
So that's pretty incredible when

870
00:32:08,300 --> 00:32:10,200
thinking about the tokens have

871
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,100
only been possible since the

872
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,100
cash tokens upgrade in 2023. And

873
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,100
of course, it didn't launch with

874
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,100
great tooling. So the really

875
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,100
easy to use tooling is

876
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,100
relatively recent, baked into

877
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,100
different wallets such as

878
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,100
Electron Cash, also Paytaka with

879
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,100
the cash token studio, which is

880
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,100
really easy to use. So this is

881
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,100
all relatively recent stuff. So

882
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,100
quite an explosion, I'd say, on

883
00:32:37,100 --> 00:32:40,000
the scene of this new thing. So

884
00:32:40,100 --> 00:32:42,000
how do you guys feel about this?

885
00:32:42,100 --> 00:32:44,000
This is your business model.

886
00:32:44,100 --> 00:32:47,000
You've got this DEX out, the only

887
00:32:47,100 --> 00:32:49,000
DEX, if I'm not mistaken, on

888
00:32:49,100 --> 00:32:51,000
BCH and certainly the first. How

889
00:32:51,100 --> 00:32:54,000
has that launch gone for you? How

890
00:32:54,100 --> 00:32:56,000
has the last year been for you?

891
00:32:56,100 --> 00:32:58,000
Have you been hitting the sort of

892
00:32:58,100 --> 00:33:00,000
the growth and the usage that you

893
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:08,900
guys are expecting?

894
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,900
Well, it is very new and as I

895
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,900
say, it's very little support.

896
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:16,900
But I would say the growth has

897
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,900
been considering awesome. And I

898
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,900
also love to see all the use

899
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,900
cases pop up. And shout out to

900
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,900
Beacon Cash TV. I don't know if

901
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,900
you've watched his show, but he

902
00:33:28,900 --> 00:33:30,800
spends a lot of time on the show

903
00:33:30,900 --> 00:33:32,800
trading on Cauldron and

904
00:33:32,900 --> 00:33:34,800
considering tokens. And he has

905
00:33:34,900 --> 00:33:37,800
some nice products. Like you give

906
00:33:37,900 --> 00:33:39,800
out emeralds, he gives out

907
00:33:39,900 --> 00:33:41,800
points. Like you get a point

908
00:33:41,900 --> 00:33:43,800
every minute you watch. Yeah,

909
00:33:43,900 --> 00:33:45,800
there's so many cool products

910
00:33:45,900 --> 00:33:48,800
going on. And you know, it's kind

911
00:33:48,900 --> 00:33:50,800
of like what comes first, the DEX

912
00:33:50,900 --> 00:33:54,800
or the usage. DEX has to come

913
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:59,700
first. So I am expecting like

914
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,700
exponential growth, right, as

915
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,700
the useful tokens come in. Like

916
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,700
your token, it adds more value

917
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,700
to the DEX as well. And it gives

918
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,700
like a network effect like for

919
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,700
every other token out there. And

920
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,700
you will see eventually like

921
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,700
huge growth even though it

922
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,700
hasn't quite come yet. But we

923
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,700
have a few thousand users if you

924
00:34:23,700 --> 00:34:25,600
look at the blockchain. And I

925
00:34:25,700 --> 00:34:27,600
look at the unique wallets. We

926
00:34:27,700 --> 00:34:29,600
don't track our users, so the

927
00:34:29,700 --> 00:34:31,600
only way to see usage is to

928
00:34:31,700 --> 00:34:33,600
actually look at the blockchain

929
00:34:33,700 --> 00:34:35,600
and you see thousands of users

930
00:34:35,700 --> 00:34:37,600
coming in. And it's awesome.

931
00:34:37,700 --> 00:34:40,600
That's really interesting. Is

932
00:34:40,700 --> 00:34:43,600
this something that you publish

933
00:34:43,700 --> 00:34:45,600
and we can look anywhere? Just

934
00:34:45,700 --> 00:34:47,600
the numbers of unique wallets,

935
00:34:47,700 --> 00:34:49,600
for example, unique addresses

936
00:34:49,700 --> 00:34:51,600
that you're using this? We have

937
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,500
an API for it. So I guess we

938
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,500
should like on Moria page we

939
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,500
have like a stats where we can

940
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,500
see like Moria stats. We really

941
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,500
should add that for Cauldron as

942
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:03,500
well.

943
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,500
Yeah, I would love to see that

944
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,500
because for me it's the rate of

945
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,500
growth and seeing how interested

946
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,500
people are and also when there

947
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,500
are certain peaks, like when all

948
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:15,500
of a sudden new addresses are

949
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,500
being used and then trying to

950
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,500
link that to what activities are

951
00:35:19,500 --> 00:35:21,400
happening out there in the world.

952
00:35:21,500 --> 00:35:23,400
Is it linked to a conference? Is

953
00:35:23,500 --> 00:35:25,400
it linked to your promotional

954
00:35:25,500 --> 00:35:27,400
activities? Because for me what

955
00:35:27,500 --> 00:35:29,400
I love about Bitcoin Cash and

956
00:35:29,500 --> 00:35:31,400
its ecosystem is Rising Tide

957
00:35:31,500 --> 00:35:33,400
erases all the ships and so your

958
00:35:33,500 --> 00:35:35,400
success helps BCH, BCH success

959
00:35:35,500 --> 00:35:37,400
helps you and it's the same with

960
00:35:37,500 --> 00:35:39,400
General Protocols, all the stuff

961
00:35:39,500 --> 00:35:41,400
that they're doing. It's all

962
00:35:41,500 --> 00:35:43,400
contributing. So the more

963
00:35:43,500 --> 00:35:45,400
information that's shared out

964
00:35:45,500 --> 00:35:47,400
there, I know the Bitcoin Cash

965
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,300
is helping as well too because

966
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,300
the more we can see the growth

967
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,300
in the ecosystem, the more we can

968
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,300
try and link it to what activities

969
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,300
is helping with that growth, it

970
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,300
can never be a bad thing. I think

971
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,300
it can help with that and making

972
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:02,300
smarter decisions.

973
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,300
Shout out Jeremy.

974
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,300
Shout out to Jeremy. That's a

975
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,300
good time actually for the third

976
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,300
of the four FINA shout outs. So

977
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,300
this one's from Jeremy. When

978
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,300
tokenize time leaderboard on

979
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,300
Cauldron? Please, BCH, please

980
00:36:16,300 --> 00:36:18,200
Cauldron, please, BCH podcast,

981
00:36:18,300 --> 00:36:20,200
100,000 dev rules well spent

982
00:36:20,300 --> 00:36:22,200
there. Thanks, Jeremy. I don't

983
00:36:22,300 --> 00:36:24,200
know if you guys want to answer

984
00:36:24,300 --> 00:36:25,200
that.

985
00:36:25,300 --> 00:36:27,200
I think we should pull Jeremy on

986
00:36:27,300 --> 00:36:29,200
the stage and have a pitchy idea

987
00:36:29,300 --> 00:36:31,200
and then we can comment on it.

988
00:36:31,300 --> 00:36:33,200
Jeremy, I've invited you. Let's

989
00:36:33,300 --> 00:36:35,200
get you on. So your shout out's

990
00:36:35,300 --> 00:36:38,200
got you a place on the mic and

991
00:36:38,300 --> 00:36:40,200
you can, you can.

992
00:36:40,300 --> 00:36:42,200
So I can just say we are

993
00:36:42,300 --> 00:36:44,200
actually always looking to find

994
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,100
new ways to visualize and to kind

995
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,100
of show different things and

996
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,100
individual tokens, doing stuff.

997
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,100
I mean, Arbor Update was all

998
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,100
about this. Showing new sets of

999
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,100
data and just making everything

1000
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,100
more available. So yeah, I love

1001
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,100
this idea, Jeremy. So yeah.

1002
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,100
It's also something I'm not sure

1003
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,100
if it's, I've never seen this

1004
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,100
before. And you know, whether

1005
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,100
it's a great idea or not, you

1006
00:37:13,100 --> 00:37:15,000
know, in the long term, who

1007
00:37:15,100 --> 00:37:17,000
knows, right? I don't know. But

1008
00:37:17,100 --> 00:37:19,000
in the short term, what I think

1009
00:37:19,100 --> 00:37:21,000
is it could theoretically spy

1010
00:37:21,100 --> 00:37:23,000
into a good thing. It could

1011
00:37:23,100 --> 00:37:25,000
spy into something very

1012
00:37:25,100 --> 00:37:27,000
interesting. It's novel. I

1013
00:37:27,100 --> 00:37:29,000
don't think I've seen this on

1014
00:37:29,100 --> 00:37:31,000
anywhere else. And that's the

1015
00:37:31,100 --> 00:37:33,000
kind of thing that, you know,

1016
00:37:33,100 --> 00:37:35,000
novel things, let's face it,

1017
00:37:35,100 --> 00:37:37,000
that's what DeFi is, right?

1018
00:37:37,100 --> 00:37:39,000
That's what attracts that first

1019
00:37:39,100 --> 00:37:41,000
wave. It's the novelty. It's new.

1020
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:42,900
And I think that's the thing

1021
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,900
that's really interesting. I

1022
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,900
think it stands a lot more

1023
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,900
chance of gaining traction with

1024
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,900
these different communities

1025
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,900
that are looking for that new

1026
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,900
thing as opposed to just chasing

1027
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:55,900
the trend.

1028
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:56,900
Absolutely.

1029
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:57,900
Absolutely.

1030
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,900
I think someone needs to

1031
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,900
describe the idea for the

1032
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:02,900
audience.

1033
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:04,900
So the idea here is, so with

1034
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:06,900
the Finnish token, it

1035
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,900
represents at a very bare

1036
00:38:08,900 --> 00:38:10,800
scale, the value of the

1037
00:38:10,900 --> 00:38:12,800
token. So I'm going to use

1038
00:38:12,900 --> 00:38:14,800
this as a token to represent

1039
00:38:14,900 --> 00:38:16,800
some of my time, consultation

1040
00:38:16,900 --> 00:38:18,800
or whatever. And this is

1041
00:38:18,900 --> 00:38:20,800
something that's being used as

1042
00:38:20,900 --> 00:38:22,800
that. And so Jeremy was very

1043
00:38:22,900 --> 00:38:24,800
interested by this idea too. He

1044
00:38:24,900 --> 00:38:26,800
thought, wow, this is great.

1045
00:38:26,900 --> 00:38:28,800
You could have different people

1046
00:38:28,900 --> 00:38:30,800
within the community that are

1047
00:38:30,900 --> 00:38:32,800
more well known that instead of

1048
00:38:32,900 --> 00:38:34,800
doing fundraisers or things like

1049
00:38:34,900 --> 00:38:36,800
that, they could actually

1050
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,700
spend that money. So he

1051
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,700
thought, theoretically, if you

1052
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,700
really wanted someone to help

1053
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,700
you with your project, you

1054
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,700
wanted someone to help you with

1055
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,700
Cauldron and you wanted a

1056
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:50,700
developer and you didn't have

1057
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,700
the right person or the

1058
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,700
content creator for that, then

1059
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,700
you could go and buy their

1060
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,700
token and that token is

1061
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,700
literally worth 30 minutes of

1062
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,700
their time, 60 hours of their

1063
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,700
time, whatever. And then you

1064
00:39:04,700 --> 00:39:06,600
could actually use a token to

1065
00:39:06,700 --> 00:39:07,600
spend that time.

1066
00:39:07,700 --> 00:39:09,600
And so Jeremy was thinking

1067
00:39:09,700 --> 00:39:11,600
about this idea of having a

1068
00:39:11,700 --> 00:39:13,600
speaker. I just finished my

1069
00:39:13,700 --> 00:39:15,600
sentence and Jeremy can say if

1070
00:39:15,700 --> 00:39:17,600
that's correct or not, and

1071
00:39:17,700 --> 00:39:19,600
that's in detail, is what

1072
00:39:19,700 --> 00:39:21,600
Jeremy was thinking about is

1073
00:39:21,700 --> 00:39:23,600
having a separate page for

1074
00:39:23,700 --> 00:39:25,600
those special tokens where it's

1075
00:39:25,700 --> 00:39:27,600
a utility token where you're

1076
00:39:27,700 --> 00:39:29,600
literally paying for someone's

1077
00:39:29,700 --> 00:39:31,600
time and Jeremy would release

1078
00:39:31,700 --> 00:39:33,600
his token and you can make a

1079
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,500
statement and you would buy the

1080
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,500
tokens or you're more likely to

1081
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,500
buy the tokens of people that

1082
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,500
you trust, people that have

1083
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,500
high value, people that you

1084
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,500
think at a certain point in the

1085
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,500
future you would appreciate

1086
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,500
being able to access their time

1087
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,500
services and skills. So,

1088
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,500
Jeremy, maybe you could chime

1089
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,500
in and add a few words to that.

1090
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,500
Can you guys hear me?

1091
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:58,500
Loud and clear.

1092
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,500
Okay. All right. Yes.

1093
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,500
Well, generally, yeah, that was

1094
00:40:02,500 --> 00:40:04,400
the idea. So, Jeremy, I think

1095
00:40:04,500 --> 00:40:06,400
that's a good point. I think

1096
00:40:06,500 --> 00:40:08,400
you're in a situation where he

1097
00:40:08,500 --> 00:40:10,400
can issue new coins,

1098
00:40:10,500 --> 00:40:12,400
essentially an advance, like a

1099
00:40:12,500 --> 00:40:14,400
loan against his own future

1100
00:40:14,500 --> 00:40:17,400
time to get capital because he

1101
00:40:17,500 --> 00:40:20,400
can sell them on the DEX for

1102
00:40:20,500 --> 00:40:22,400
BCH and then if people want

1103
00:40:22,500 --> 00:40:24,400
more of his time as a

1104
00:40:24,500 --> 00:40:26,400
consultant or to help with

1105
00:40:26,500 --> 00:40:28,400
whatever project, they can buy

1106
00:40:28,500 --> 00:40:30,400
his token, right? And that

1107
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,300
means that he can issue more

1108
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,300
coins. Of course, he can't go

1109
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,300
crazy. If he issues too many,

1110
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,300
then everybody wants some of his

1111
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,300
time and then suddenly his other

1112
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,300
obligations, he can't hold up.

1113
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,300
But if that's happening or if

1114
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,300
he's making money some other way,

1115
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,300
he can then buy back his own

1116
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,300
shares of his own time,

1117
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,300
essentially, right, on the DEX

1118
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,300
as well too. So it operates in

1119
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,300
both directions. And the more I

1120
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,300
thought about this, the more I

1121
00:40:58,300 --> 00:41:00,200
thought about it. I don't know

1122
00:41:00,300 --> 00:41:02,200
if I've got it all set up yet,

1123
00:41:02,300 --> 00:41:04,200
but I'm thinking through that.

1124
00:41:04,300 --> 00:41:06,200
If I did that, if both of you

1125
00:41:06,300 --> 00:41:08,200
guys did that, if more of the

1126
00:41:08,300 --> 00:41:10,200
ecosystem did that, then we

1127
00:41:10,300 --> 00:41:12,200
would like money is always a way

1128
00:41:12,300 --> 00:41:14,200
of transacting time, but if we

1129
00:41:14,300 --> 00:41:16,200
had a direct market for it,

1130
00:41:16,300 --> 00:41:18,200
which you could see on a

1131
00:41:18,300 --> 00:41:20,200
separate page or even just a

1132
00:41:20,300 --> 00:41:22,200
filter on the list of tokens,

1133
00:41:22,300 --> 00:41:24,200
then anybody new to the

1134
00:41:24,300 --> 00:41:26,200
ecosystem would essentially be

1135
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,100
the most important economic

1136
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,100
actors in the BCH space. So you

1137
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,100
could then just quickly get to

1138
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,100
the bottom of, okay, who's

1139
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,100
making stuff happen? Because the

1140
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,100
more somebody was making stuff

1141
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,100
happen, the more people would

1142
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,100
want to buy their coin, right?

1143
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,100
And if you listed it not just as

1144
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,100
the coin with the details of the

1145
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,100
TVL and the price, but you then

1146
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,100
also had links to their website,

1147
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,100
their Twitter profile.

1148
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,100
That could be in the coin

1149
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:55,100
itself.

1150
00:41:55,100 --> 00:41:57,000
But it would be ideal if it was

1151
00:41:57,100 --> 00:41:59,000
all like you could see when you

1152
00:41:59,100 --> 00:42:01,000
went on there, okay, here's a

1153
00:42:01,100 --> 00:42:03,000
couple of links to follow up on

1154
00:42:03,100 --> 00:42:05,000
what is this person doing,

1155
00:42:05,100 --> 00:42:07,000
because the DEX is already

1156
00:42:07,100 --> 00:42:09,000
getting a lot of visibility. And

1157
00:42:09,100 --> 00:42:11,000
at the moment it would be hard

1158
00:42:11,100 --> 00:42:13,000
for people to figure out what is

1159
00:42:13,100 --> 00:42:15,000
going on with all the different

1160
00:42:15,100 --> 00:42:17,000
coins, which is part of the fun,

1161
00:42:17,100 --> 00:42:19,000
right? They can find a Fogg

1162
00:42:19,100 --> 00:42:21,000
token or Bitcoin Cash TV or

1163
00:42:21,100 --> 00:42:23,000
Fiendish, and they can dig into

1164
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:24,900
the details of the coins and

1165
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:26,900
then they can link to understand

1166
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:28,900
what's going on by helping them

1167
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,900
link to more information about

1168
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:32,900
each of those coins. I know you

1169
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:34,900
can already click on the coins

1170
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:36,900
and then click on the website and

1171
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:38,900
see people have written the

1172
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:40,900
description or how it works or

1173
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:42,900
everything like that. But just

1174
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:44,900
because the DEX is going to have

1175
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,900
so much visibility and it would

1176
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:48,900
be a unique innovation in

1177
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:50,900
Bitcoin Cash if we started all

1178
00:42:50,900 --> 00:42:52,800
the updates on chain

1179
00:42:52,900 --> 00:42:54,800
transactions. And that's a unique

1180
00:42:54,900 --> 00:42:56,800
concept to all of crypto that

1181
00:42:56,900 --> 00:42:58,800
takes no new technology. We

1182
00:42:58,900 --> 00:43:00,800
already have all the technology

1183
00:43:00,900 --> 00:43:02,800
there for it. And I think it

1184
00:43:02,900 --> 00:43:04,800
could catch on as an idea. I

1185
00:43:04,900 --> 00:43:05,800
think it would be really

1186
00:43:05,900 --> 00:43:07,800
interesting. Tokenized time kind

1187
00:43:07,900 --> 00:43:09,800
of has a nice ring to it. So

1188
00:43:09,900 --> 00:43:12,800
that's my basic idea.

1189
00:43:12,900 --> 00:43:14,800
I love the idea. And I would

1190
00:43:14,900 --> 00:43:17,800
love to see more. I like the

1191
00:43:17,900 --> 00:43:19,800
Fiendish token. And I would love

1192
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,700
to see more time-based tokens.

1193
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,700
Also because they actually have

1194
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,700
something real valid behind it.

1195
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,700
It's not like a meme token. Time

1196
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:30,700
is valuable, right?

1197
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:31,700
Exactly.

1198
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,700
So I'm open to testing it out.

1199
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,700
But we need more time tokens in

1200
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:38,700
that case. We can't just have a

1201
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:40,700
filter for Fiendish.

1202
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,700
Exactly. Exactly. So I am

1203
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:43,700
planning.

1204
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:44,700
I'm okay with that.

1205
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:45,700
You just went out into the

1206
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:46,700
room.

1207
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:48,700
You just time going through the

1208
00:43:48,700 --> 00:43:50,600
room.

1209
00:43:50,700 --> 00:43:51,600
Yeah.

1210
00:43:51,700 --> 00:43:53,600
I have thought about it. And I

1211
00:43:53,700 --> 00:43:55,600
am working through it because I

1212
00:43:55,700 --> 00:43:57,600
want to do it also sort of as

1213
00:43:57,700 --> 00:43:58,600
the podcast, right? Because I

1214
00:43:58,700 --> 00:44:00,600
could do it as just Jeremy. But

1215
00:44:00,700 --> 00:44:02,600
that's kind of got limited

1216
00:44:02,700 --> 00:44:03,600
scope, right? Whereas if I do

1217
00:44:03,700 --> 00:44:05,600
it for the podcast, then people

1218
00:44:05,700 --> 00:44:07,600
will also be able to trade in

1219
00:44:07,700 --> 00:44:09,600
the podcast coins probably if

1220
00:44:09,700 --> 00:44:11,600
they need some help from Jet on

1221
00:44:11,700 --> 00:44:13,600
something or just generally the

1222
00:44:13,700 --> 00:44:15,600
resources of the podcast, right?

1223
00:44:15,700 --> 00:44:16,600
If they want to promote

1224
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,500
something, then we can do it

1225
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,500
with a filter and we might get

1226
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:22,500
it set up with a special clause

1227
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,500
or whatever so that you can send

1228
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,500
in a certain amount of the

1229
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,500
token and then if you want to

1230
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:30,500
guarantee that we will answer

1231
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,500
your question live on the show

1232
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,500
or if you want to shout out

1233
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,500
something or you want to make a

1234
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,500
particular comment, then we can

1235
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:40,500
also have a way that you can pay

1236
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,500
in that BCH, I'm going to call

1237
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:44,500
it pod coin, right? Pod coin.

1238
00:44:44,500 --> 00:44:46,400
Which you won't be able to do

1239
00:44:46,500 --> 00:44:48,400
with BCH or necessarily

1240
00:44:48,500 --> 00:44:50,400
anything else, right? So I'm

1241
00:44:50,500 --> 00:44:52,400
still working through the

1242
00:44:52,500 --> 00:44:54,400
details in my mind, but just to

1243
00:44:54,500 --> 00:44:56,400
float this idea with you. So in

1244
00:44:56,500 --> 00:44:58,400
a couple of weeks when it maybe

1245
00:44:58,500 --> 00:45:00,400
comes together, if we could do a

1246
00:45:00,500 --> 00:45:02,400
leaderboard or again, even just

1247
00:45:02,500 --> 00:45:04,400
a filter would work, but I think

1248
00:45:04,500 --> 00:45:06,400
a separate page would be a

1249
00:45:06,500 --> 00:45:07,400
super cool test.

1250
00:45:07,500 --> 00:45:09,400
I think you should just create

1251
00:45:09,500 --> 00:45:11,400
like a telegram group with

1252
00:45:11,500 --> 00:45:13,400
interested stakeholders and we

1253
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,300
could do that.

1254
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:16,300
Perfect.

1255
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,300
I love the pod coin.

1256
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,300
I want the pod coin.

1257
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,300
But I'm going to go create the pod coin.

1258
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,300
And just so I understand, right,

1259
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,300
it's that if you have your coin

1260
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,300
fiend, right, and if you buy 100k

1261
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,300
fiend, then you get a shout out,

1262
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,300
right?

1263
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,300
It's actually emerald. So it's

1264
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,300
100,000 emerald. If it was 100,000

1265
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,300
fiend, it would be 100,000.

1266
00:45:42,300 --> 00:45:44,200
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean emerald.

1267
00:45:44,300 --> 00:45:46,200
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the 100,000

1268
00:45:46,300 --> 00:45:48,200
emerald. So basically, there's a

1269
00:45:48,300 --> 00:45:50,200
giveaway. So everyone that's in

1270
00:45:50,300 --> 00:45:52,200
here and retweeted the spaces and

1271
00:45:52,300 --> 00:45:54,200
was here for the entire thing gets

1272
00:45:54,300 --> 00:45:56,200
60,000 emeralds. And the idea is

1273
00:45:56,300 --> 00:45:58,200
here with 100,000, you can use 100,000

1274
00:45:58,300 --> 00:46:00,200
to do a shout out. So live on

1275
00:46:00,300 --> 00:46:02,200
there. And there will also be as a

1276
00:46:02,300 --> 00:46:04,200
comment to the spaces to basically

1277
00:46:04,300 --> 00:46:06,200
try and create as much value as

1278
00:46:06,300 --> 00:46:08,200
possible for this token too and

1279
00:46:08,300 --> 00:46:10,200
make it so anyone that's holding

1280
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,100
this, there's actually utility in

1281
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,100
both tokens, just different.

1282
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,100
Fantastic. So I actually bought

1283
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,100
300,000 emerald yesterday. So I

1284
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,100
would like to make three small

1285
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,100
shout outs right now. First, it's

1286
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:29,100
to Folding Cash and to the CTO of

1287
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:33,100
the Folding at Home project who in

1288
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,100
the event that happened that

1289
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,100
actually transaction fees on

1290
00:46:38,100 --> 00:46:40,000
Bitcoin, which they originally

1291
00:46:40,100 --> 00:46:43,000
used in this Stanford project to

1292
00:46:43,100 --> 00:46:45,000
just use a distributed network of

1293
00:46:45,100 --> 00:46:48,000
computers to render different

1294
00:46:48,100 --> 00:46:51,000
proteins and do cancer research

1295
00:46:51,100 --> 00:46:54,000
decentralized, they came to the

1296
00:46:54,100 --> 00:46:56,000
event that guys, we can't no

1297
00:46:56,100 --> 00:46:59,000
longer reward our users which do

1298
00:46:59,100 --> 00:47:02,000
this stuff for free actually with

1299
00:47:02,100 --> 00:47:06,000
Bitcoin, with BTC. So he took it

1300
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:10,900
upon himself to change chains to

1301
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:12,900
Bitcoin Cash to something that

1302
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,900
worked and the Folding Cash,

1303
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:17,900
Folding Coin project have now

1304
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:19,900
moved to Bitcoin Cash and I'm

1305
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:21,900
super bullish on this and yeah,

1306
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:23,900
big shout out to him. Second

1307
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,900
shout out, it's the Badgers,

1308
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:32,900
Badgers.cash. This is a real super

1309
00:47:32,900 --> 00:47:35,800
useful and technically

1310
00:47:35,900 --> 00:47:37,800
impressive application that I

1311
00:47:37,900 --> 00:47:39,800
think needs more attention. So big

1312
00:47:39,900 --> 00:47:42,800
shout out to him. And thirdly, my

1313
00:47:42,900 --> 00:47:45,800
third shout out for 100K Emerald,

1314
00:47:45,900 --> 00:47:47,800
it's to you guys. It's to every

1315
00:47:47,900 --> 00:47:49,800
single Shadow Wizard in the

1316
00:47:49,900 --> 00:47:53,800
entire world. I had a talk at the

1317
00:47:53,900 --> 00:47:55,800
BCH Festival Nigeria last weekend

1318
00:47:55,900 --> 00:47:58,800
and it was so amazing speaking to

1319
00:47:58,900 --> 00:48:00,800
the people there. Every single

1320
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,700
Shadow Wizard out there doing

1321
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,700
DeFi magic every day, spreading

1322
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,700
awareness, cooking potions and

1323
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:10,700
casting spells. Shout out to you

1324
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:12,700
guys, you are amazing and you are

1325
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:14,700
the reason why we are actually

1326
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,700
accelerating this decentralized

1327
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,700
economy. Oh man, great shout

1328
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:21,700
out. Great news as well. And yeah,

1329
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:23,700
just mentioning about Badgers, so

1330
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,700
the person behind this, Sayoshi

1331
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,700
Nakamari, a really great guy,

1332
00:48:29,700 --> 00:48:32,600
really, really great asset to the

1333
00:48:32,700 --> 00:48:34,600
BCH community. If you want to

1334
00:48:34,700 --> 00:48:35,600
listen to, if anyone listening,

1335
00:48:35,700 --> 00:48:36,600
if you want to catch up a little

1336
00:48:36,700 --> 00:48:37,600
bit about that, he was actually

1337
00:48:37,700 --> 00:48:39,600
on episode two of Finnish and

1338
00:48:39,700 --> 00:48:40,600
Friends. So go and check that

1339
00:48:40,700 --> 00:48:42,600
out, go and check out Badgers.

1340
00:48:42,700 --> 00:48:44,600
cash. And as Halper said, this

1341
00:48:44,700 --> 00:48:45,600
is something you should be

1342
00:48:45,700 --> 00:48:46,600
absolutely checking out and

1343
00:48:46,700 --> 00:48:49,600
supporting. Great. I see, yeah,

1344
00:48:49,700 --> 00:48:51,600
time is, we're getting kind of

1345
00:48:51,700 --> 00:48:52,600
close and I really want to make

1346
00:48:52,700 --> 00:48:54,600
sure we're on the dot today as

1347
00:48:54,700 --> 00:48:56,600
an exception because we've been

1348
00:48:56,700 --> 00:48:58,600
running in the past. But you

1349
00:48:58,600 --> 00:48:59,500
know, there's a couple of things

1350
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,500
that I definitely would like to

1351
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:03,500
discuss. So, you know, just

1352
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,500
thinking about Bitcoin Cash,

1353
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:07,500
where we're at today, like what

1354
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,500
is the outlook for Bitcoin Cash

1355
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,500
in 2025 and where does Rift and

1356
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,500
Labs fit in that and how are

1357
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:15,500
you seeing the state of the

1358
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:16,500
ecosystem and where it's going?

1359
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:18,500
I heard before some exponential

1360
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:19,500
growth, but maybe you could go

1361
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,500
into a little bit more detail

1362
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:25,500
into that. Yeah, that grew. I

1363
00:49:25,500 --> 00:49:30,400
think Bitcoin Cash is a better

1364
00:49:30,500 --> 00:49:34,400
DeFi platform in my opinion. So

1365
00:49:34,500 --> 00:49:35,400
I think when people start to

1366
00:49:35,500 --> 00:49:37,400
realize that and realize that

1367
00:49:37,500 --> 00:49:39,400
you can actually use it for

1368
00:49:39,500 --> 00:49:42,400
DeFi, they will see a massive

1369
00:49:42,500 --> 00:49:44,400
growth. And the reason I say

1370
00:49:44,500 --> 00:49:46,400
that is because it's just so

1371
00:49:46,500 --> 00:49:48,400
snappy. It's so fast. If you

1372
00:49:48,500 --> 00:49:51,400
ever tried DeFi on ICVM like

1373
00:49:51,500 --> 00:49:53,400
blockchain, you will notice

1374
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,300
that every time you're trying

1375
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:56,300
to interact with a contract,

1376
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,300
it's like, okay, you have to

1377
00:49:58,400 --> 00:49:59,300
accept that this contract

1378
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,300
fiddles with your wallet and

1379
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,300
then you have to wait for a

1380
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,300
block time for it to confirm in

1381
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,300
a block. And then you do a

1382
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,300
trade and then you have to wait

1383
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,300
for it to confirm in a block.

1384
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:13,300
While in the Bitcoin Cash, it

1385
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,300
just goes into a mempool. It's

1386
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,300
super snappy and it's just so

1387
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:18,300
much better user experience

1388
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,300
that I think it's enough to

1389
00:50:21,300 --> 00:50:24,200
draw people over. So we are

1390
00:50:24,300 --> 00:50:25,200
definitely going to see a huge

1391
00:50:25,300 --> 00:50:27,200
growth in Bitcoin Cash. That's

1392
00:50:27,300 --> 00:50:28,200
my opinion.

1393
00:50:28,300 --> 00:50:30,200
Yeah. And I mean, end game is

1394
00:50:30,300 --> 00:50:34,200
that Bitcoin Cash, BCH, it is

1395
00:50:34,300 --> 00:50:35,200
actually peer-to-peer

1396
00:50:35,300 --> 00:50:39,200
electronic cash. And, you know,

1397
00:50:39,300 --> 00:50:41,200
there's actual people in this

1398
00:50:41,300 --> 00:50:44,200
world who have tricked their own

1399
00:50:44,300 --> 00:50:45,200
brain into thinking that

1400
00:50:45,300 --> 00:50:46,200
Bitcoin is something else, that

1401
00:50:46,300 --> 00:50:48,200
it's some kind of rare earth

1402
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:51,100
precious metal substitute. And

1403
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,100
let's just face it, the total

1404
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,100
market cap of the actual rare

1405
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,100
earth gold is 20 trillion,

1406
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:03,100
right? And sometimes people

1407
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:04,100
maybe could ask themselves,

1408
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:07,100
what is the market cap of fiat?

1409
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,100
It's not 20 trillion. It's a lot

1410
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:12,100
more. So, I mean, the reason why

1411
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,100
we're here, the reason why

1412
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:15,100
Satoshi created the Bitcoin

1413
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,100
white paper and started all

1414
00:51:17,100 --> 00:51:19,000
this, he was not to create gold,

1415
00:51:19,100 --> 00:51:21,000
right? Gold exists and gold has

1416
00:51:21,100 --> 00:51:23,000
value. I mean, you can use it to

1417
00:51:23,100 --> 00:51:25,000
gold has value for many reasons.

1418
00:51:25,100 --> 00:51:27,000
It's nice. It's shiny. You can

1419
00:51:27,100 --> 00:51:28,000
use it to insulate space

1420
00:51:28,100 --> 00:51:32,000
systems and satellites and as a

1421
00:51:32,100 --> 00:51:34,000
conductor. And yeah, so gold has

1422
00:51:34,100 --> 00:51:38,000
value and money has value. And

1423
00:51:38,100 --> 00:51:41,000
yeah, crypto is one of those and

1424
00:51:41,100 --> 00:51:42,000
not the other.

1425
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:46,900
Yeah, that's great. Okay. So,

1426
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,900
looking forward to a 2025 where

1427
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:51,900
DeFi, when people become aware

1428
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:52,900
that DeFi is possible and

1429
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:54,900
Bitcoin Cash, which is much

1430
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:56,900
snappier, much faster and not

1431
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,900
slow and like other coins, that

1432
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:01,900
this is going to lead to an

1433
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:02,900
explosion of growth. And I'm

1434
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:03,900
really looking forward to seeing

1435
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:04,900
this. I'm really looking forward

1436
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:06,900
to seeing you guys, the success

1437
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:08,900
and the continued success in

1438
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:10,900
everything that Rifton Labs is

1439
00:52:10,900 --> 00:52:14,800
doing and concocting. And I just

1440
00:52:14,900 --> 00:52:15,800
thought of something actually,

1441
00:52:15,900 --> 00:52:18,800
you guys, you wrote something in

1442
00:52:18,900 --> 00:52:19,800
a recent tweet, right? That

1443
00:52:19,900 --> 00:52:20,800
something big is brewing, stay

1444
00:52:20,900 --> 00:52:23,800
frosty wizards. Is there any

1445
00:52:23,900 --> 00:52:25,800
hints? Can we get any hint of

1446
00:52:25,900 --> 00:52:26,800
what's that about? You know,

1447
00:52:26,900 --> 00:52:28,800
what are you hinting to?

1448
00:52:28,900 --> 00:52:30,800
Well, something big is

1449
00:52:30,900 --> 00:52:32,800
definitely brewing. And what we

1450
00:52:32,900 --> 00:52:36,800
can say is that people interested

1451
00:52:36,900 --> 00:52:39,800
in this should rewatch the

1452
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:41,700
Bitcoin.com interview with

1453
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:43,700
Corbyn Fraser from earlier this

1454
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:44,700
year.

1455
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:50,700
Oh, man, I'm just writing this

1456
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:54,700
down. It's an absolute fire. So

1457
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:55,700
Jeremy, we've got to sit down.

1458
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:56,700
We've got to figure this out.

1459
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:57,700
Maybe we can talk about it over

1460
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:58,700
the poker tomorrow.

1461
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:02,700
I watched that interview when it

1462
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:03,700
came out, but now I'm trying to

1463
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:04,700
think back. You know, it was

1464
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:06,700
like six months ago. I can't

1465
00:53:06,700 --> 00:53:09,600
remember what exactly we said.

1466
00:53:09,700 --> 00:53:10,600
So we're going to have to double

1467
00:53:10,700 --> 00:53:11,600
check that for sure.

1468
00:53:11,700 --> 00:53:12,600
Yeah.

1469
00:53:12,700 --> 00:53:14,600
I'm going to be checking that

1470
00:53:14,700 --> 00:53:17,600
one this weekend to figure out

1471
00:53:17,700 --> 00:53:19,600
what's the secret here. Cool.

1472
00:53:19,700 --> 00:53:21,600
Exciting. Yeah. Last point. So

1473
00:53:21,700 --> 00:53:23,600
you guys, you both attendees at

1474
00:53:23,700 --> 00:53:25,600
BCH Bliss. We had a wicked time

1475
00:53:25,700 --> 00:53:27,600
together there. It was, I think,

1476
00:53:27,700 --> 00:53:28,600
I hope you agree it was just

1477
00:53:28,700 --> 00:53:29,600
awesome to get all these

1478
00:53:29,700 --> 00:53:31,600
wonderful builders, developers

1479
00:53:31,700 --> 00:53:33,600
and Bitcoin Cash proponents in a

1480
00:53:33,700 --> 00:53:34,600
room together and talking about

1481
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:37,500
this amazing technology. Assuming

1482
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:38,500
you felt the same way that I did

1483
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:39,500
that it was a purely lovely

1484
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:41,500
emotional experience. Will you

1485
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:43,500
guys be getting tickets for BCH

1486
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:44,500
Bliss 2025? And will you be

1487
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:45,500
joining there?

1488
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:49,500
BCH Bliss was the most fun

1489
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:51,500
conference I had ever, I think.

1490
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:53,500
So definitely going again. So

1491
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:54,500
I'll see you guys there.

1492
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:55,500
Of course.

1493
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:56,500
I'll see you there.

1494
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:57,500
We'll bring even more merch this

1495
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:00,500
time and even more socks and we

1496
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:02,500
will have even more fun seeing

1497
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:03,500
you guys there.

1498
00:54:03,500 --> 00:54:07,400
Oh, Jesus. There we go,

1499
00:54:07,500 --> 00:54:09,400
Jeremy. So we better up the

1500
00:54:09,500 --> 00:54:11,400
expected number of seats we're

1501
00:54:11,500 --> 00:54:12,400
filling, huh?

1502
00:54:12,500 --> 00:54:14,400
Doing our best, mate.

1503
00:54:14,500 --> 00:54:16,400
It's really great to hear that

1504
00:54:16,500 --> 00:54:18,400
because you guys are really

1505
00:54:18,500 --> 00:54:19,400
important in the ecosystem.

1506
00:54:19,500 --> 00:54:20,400
You're creating a lot of

1507
00:54:20,500 --> 00:54:22,400
activity, I think, that between

1508
00:54:22,500 --> 00:54:24,400
Rift and Labs and General

1509
00:54:24,500 --> 00:54:26,400
Protocols that we've got two

1510
00:54:26,500 --> 00:54:29,400
really great companies offering

1511
00:54:29,500 --> 00:54:31,400
sort of, I don't know, competing

1512
00:54:31,500 --> 00:54:32,400
products but also

1513
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:33,300
complementaries to discuss.

1514
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:34,300
Like, is it all just going to

1515
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:35,300
help bring in more people into

1516
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,300
the ecosystem and raise all

1517
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:38,300
those boats together?

1518
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,300
So I'm really, really looking

1519
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:42,300
forward to BCH Bliss 2025.

1520
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:43,300
I'm really looking forward to

1521
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:45,300
meeting you guys again in

1522
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:47,300
person. I know you've invited,

1523
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,300
so you're, you had an invite.

1524
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:51,300
You invited everyone in the

1525
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:55,300
group to come to Norway in

1526
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,300
January. Maybe, and what was

1527
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,300
happening in January?

1528
00:55:01,300 --> 00:55:04,200
In January, we are having a

1529
00:55:04,300 --> 00:55:11,200
little party in Oslo, Norway

1530
00:55:11,300 --> 00:55:14,200
just celebrating the success of

1531
00:55:14,300 --> 00:55:17,200
Caldron and the launch of

1532
00:55:17,300 --> 00:55:20,200
MUSD. It is invite only, so

1533
00:55:20,300 --> 00:55:22,200
very, very limited number of

1534
00:55:22,300 --> 00:55:26,200
seats. So send an email to

1535
00:55:26,300 --> 00:55:28,200
hello at riftlandlabs.com to

1536
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:31,100
tell us that you're interested

1537
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:32,100
in this.

1538
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:34,100
Yeah, just on that, I do

1539
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,100
actually want to come, but for

1540
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,100
other reasons, I can't travel at

1541
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:40,100
the moment, but that might be

1542
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,100
expired by the time. What

1543
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,100
actual date is it and what date

1544
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:46,100
do I need to let you guys know

1545
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:47,100
by?

1546
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,100
Just let us know as soon as

1547
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,100
possible. The date of the event

1548
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:55,100
is 11, it's 1101.25. So it's

1549
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:57,100
11 from January 2025.

1550
00:55:57,100 --> 00:55:59,000
All right. That might be a

1551
00:55:59,100 --> 00:56:01,000
close run thing, but I'll see

1552
00:56:01,100 --> 00:56:03,000
what I can do. I'll be in touch

1553
00:56:03,100 --> 00:56:04,000
with you guys.

1554
00:56:04,100 --> 00:56:06,000
Yeah, it is invite only, and

1555
00:56:06,100 --> 00:56:08,000
you're most invited, Jeremy.

1556
00:56:08,100 --> 00:56:12,000
Fantastic. Jeremy in his

1557
00:56:12,100 --> 00:56:14,000
pod coin. I'm looking forward to

1558
00:56:14,100 --> 00:56:16,000
that. Yeah, I'd love to be able

1559
00:56:16,100 --> 00:56:18,000
to join. Unfortunately, I've got

1560
00:56:18,100 --> 00:56:20,000
work commitments, so I won't be

1561
00:56:20,100 --> 00:56:22,000
able to, but I'll be there in

1562
00:56:22,100 --> 00:56:24,000
spirit, that's for sure, and at

1563
00:56:24,100 --> 00:56:26,000
the very latest, I'll be seeing

1564
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:27,900
you guys in the next episode.

1565
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:29,900
And which actually coincides

1566
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:31,900
with the final fiendish shout

1567
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:36,900
outs. BCH bliss is the BCH

1568
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,900
conference to attend next year.

1569
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:41,900
Thank you, Jay Z. Another

1570
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:42,900
hundred thousand emerald very

1571
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:44,900
well spent and being put to good

1572
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:46,900
use. Yeah, so I said we're going

1573
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:47,900
to make a change this episode

1574
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:49,900
and we're going to end on time

1575
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:51,900
as the hour comes to a close on

1576
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:52,900
Phoenix Friends episode five.

1577
00:56:52,900 --> 00:56:55,800
Thank you so much for joining

1578
00:56:55,900 --> 00:56:57,800
us, and however, for joining

1579
00:56:57,900 --> 00:56:58,800
today, make sure you're

1580
00:56:58,900 --> 00:57:00,800
following them this instant on

1581
00:57:00,900 --> 00:57:02,800
Twitter at Dagger and helpful

1582
00:57:02,900 --> 00:57:04,800
with the ace belt with a four

1583
00:57:04,900 --> 00:57:06,800
and if you wizards leave me of

1584
00:57:06,900 --> 00:57:08,800
your cash token address as a

1585
00:57:08,900 --> 00:57:10,800
comment or DM if you want to

1586
00:57:10,900 --> 00:57:11,800
keep keep that private. A

1587
00:57:11,900 --> 00:57:13,800
fiendish token will be sent to

1588
00:57:13,900 --> 00:57:15,800
each of you as a small token of

1589
00:57:15,900 --> 00:57:17,800
gratitude for spending the hour

1590
00:57:17,900 --> 00:57:19,800
with us today for all your

1591
00:57:19,900 --> 00:57:20,800
listeners. If you enjoyed the

1592
00:57:20,900 --> 00:57:21,800
show and want to show your

1593
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:23,700
gratitude, you can find the

1594
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:24,700
link in the description of the

1595
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:25,700
Dagger and the cash tokens

1596
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:26,700
addresses in the description of

1597
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:27,700
our Twitter profile, and there

1598
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:29,700
is a will be a QR code in the

1599
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:31,700
comments. The next episode of

1600
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:32,700
finishing friends is at one

1601
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:34,700
o'clock the same time next week

1602
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:37,700
and is featuring Zap. It's Z CEO

1603
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,700
Rumit Goswami and CTO called

1604
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:41,700
deep growl, and they'll be

1605
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:43,700
joining to talk about the Zapp

1606
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:44,700
it while it very ecosystem

1607
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:46,700
gaming for tokens and their

1608
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:48,700
recipes for success in this

1609
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:50,700
nascent P to P cash market for

1610
00:57:50,700 --> 00:57:52,600
the next week. We'll be

1611
00:57:52,700 --> 00:57:53,600
talking about the future of

1612
00:57:53,700 --> 00:57:55,600
fiendish tokens into the juke

1613
00:57:55,700 --> 00:57:57,600
box and hit play. At least one

1614
00:57:57,700 --> 00:57:59,600
token is required, turning one

1615
00:57:59,700 --> 00:58:01,600
token eyes minute of fiendish

1616
00:58:01,700 --> 00:58:03,600
time into an entire 60 minutes

1617
00:58:03,700 --> 00:58:05,600
and sometimes more of the

1618
00:58:05,700 --> 00:58:07,600
latest Bitcoin cash news and

1619
00:58:07,700 --> 00:58:08,600
updates. Finish token is

1620
00:58:08,700 --> 00:58:10,600
available at Cauldron swap with

1621
00:58:10,700 --> 00:58:11,600
links in the comments. So if

1622
00:58:11,700 --> 00:58:13,600
you haven't already go and

1623
00:58:13,700 --> 00:58:15,600
experience Cauldron decks, go

1624
00:58:15,700 --> 00:58:18,600
on there. Look at all the 230

1625
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:20,500
tokens and grab yourself some

1626
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:21,500
emeralds so you can also do

1627
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:23,500
some shout outs on the show

1628
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:25,500
with rum it next week. This was

1629
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:27,500
finishing. Oh, really important

1630
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:28,500
for those that are listening to

1631
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:30,500
the recording is a special

1632
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:32,500
treat. I'm going to play a BCH

1633
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:33,500
song. So if you listen to the

1634
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:34,500
recording at the end of this,

1635
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:36,500
there's going to be a couple of

1636
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:38,500
minutes of a cool BCH song made

1637
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:39,500
by one of our finishing friends

1638
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:41,500
John Gold. So enjoy that. This

1639
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:43,500
was finishing friends. I wish

1640
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:45,500
you all a lovely P to P cash

1641
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:47,500
monsters. A very good morning.

1642
00:58:47,500 --> 00:58:49,400
Good day and good night. Take

1643
00:58:49,400 --> 00:59:18,300
care. Take care. Take care. Take

1644
00:59:18,300 --> 00:59:42,200
care. Take care. Thank you.

1645
00:59:48,300 --> 00:59:55,340
future grow

1646
00:59:55,340 --> 01:00:01,420
no single force can hold it back it's built to stand the test

1647
01:00:01,420 --> 01:00:07,420
for every trade and every hand it proves it's still best

1648
01:00:07,420 --> 01:00:13,260
for merchants and for dreamers too it levels every field

1649
01:00:13,260 --> 01:00:22,380
a global tool it's here to rule a power that won't yield and i'm proud to use bca's today

1650
01:00:22,380 --> 01:00:30,300
where freedom lights the way that's secure and built to last the strongest every day

1651
01:00:31,020 --> 01:00:36,380
from the seas to the farmlands to the mountains capped with snow

1652
01:00:36,380 --> 01:00:43,740
oh bitcoin cash connects the world that helps our future grow

1653
01:00:43,740 --> 01:00:49,100
oh

1654
01:01:01,420 --> 01:01:10,620
it's not just for the wealthy it's for the ones in me it's power for the powerless

1655
01:01:10,620 --> 01:01:18,140
to help them to succeed and i'm proud to use bca's today where freedom lights the way

1656
01:01:19,660 --> 01:01:28,540
that's secure and built to last the strongest every day from the seas to the farmlands to the

1657
01:01:28,540 --> 01:01:37,180
mountains capped with snow bitcoin cash connects the world that helps our future

1658
01:01:37,180 --> 01:01:39,180
oh

1659
01:01:40,220 --> 01:01:46,700
yes bitcoin cash connects us all and helps our future grow

1660
01:01:46,700 --> 01:02:04,700
oh