Good morning, good afternoon, good evening to all you green-eyed fiends and welcome to
Fiendish and Friends episode 2.
In just a single week there has been a wave of Bitcoin Cash excitement, news and developments,
including BCH upgrades locked in for May 2025, including virtual machine limits and arithmetic
and big ints, allowing for elegant and more sophisticated scripting than ever, and all
on layer 1 Bitcoin Cash.
BCHBliss 2025, the number one decentralized P2P Cash conference in Ljubljana, Slovenia,
has been announced for May 2025, more information coming later in the show from the BCHBliss
conference organizers.
BitAuth and ChainGraph pre-release upgrades made available on Docker Hub and live in BitAuth
IDE, allowing developers to experiment with all the Bitcoin Cash 2025 upgrades through
the Bitcoin Cash node BCHN.
The Reaper NFT collection originally launched on Smart BCH is now bridgeable to cash tokens.
Community friend Teepee has launched a FundMe campaign and will be joining us next week
to discuss exactly all the goodness he's offering the community and why you should seriously
consider funding him.
New flipstarter PurelyPeer, driving financial inclusion and community growth with decentralized
peer-based advertising, including geocaching games, has launched and has already raised
a whopping 140 BCH out of a 287 goal.
Xhandle Bitcoin made a joke about Bitcoin Cash coinciding with a 20% increase in price,
making BCH to over 500 euros.
More evidence that no publicity is bad publicity.
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who has done more damage to the crypto space than even Do Kwon, which is kind of ironic
as despite all the damage Gary did through protecting investors, he didn't protect a
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On today's episode, we have joining us Sayashi Nakamario, founder of Badgers.cash and Fundme.cash
to tell us a little bit about what his products offer and why he's so invested in Bitcoin
cash.
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On that note, let's get started and let's give a big warm welcome to our first speaker,
Saurishi Nakamario, founder of fundraiser website, fundme.cash and BCH bankers platform,
badges.cash, where Badger coins are generated for locking up BCH for a certain period of
time.
Saurishi, welcome to the stage.
It's wonderful to have you on Fiendish and Friends.
Thanks Fiendish.
Can you hear me okay?
My check.
Are you there, Saurishi?
I am.
Saurishi, there's a mic is on button.
There you go.
Hey, are you with us?
Can you hear me now?
I can hear you.
Can you hear Saurishi?
Yeah, yeah, no problem for me.
Have we got a mic?
Yeah, yeah, I can hear you.
Can you hear Saurishi?
Have we got a Twitter issue?
Then I invite to speak again.
Okay.
As we can see that despite the many billions that are spent on Twitter tech and X.com spec
tech, there are still some issues to have.
Saurishi.
Oh, wonderful.
I can hear you loud and clear.
That's great.
So welcome.
When in doubt.
Yes.
Sorry about that.
This is normal.
Glitches within Twitter spaces is to be expected.
So yeah, welcome and lovely to have you here.
Yeah, thanks for having me on.
I'm from IT.
So you know, turn it off, turn on again, usual works.
That's right.
It is the ultimate guide for anyone with issues.
So yeah, glad that's working because if I was to turn it on and off, off and on again,
we'd lose the Twitter space, which wouldn't be so great.
So Saurishi, I'm sure the audience would love a little introduction from you.
Who you are, what you do and why Bitcoin Cash.
I'll give a quick version.
There's actually a very long version on the Casual BCH podcast on Help Me Cash as YouTube.
So I was working in IT for like 10 years and decided to switch over to coding like three
years ago to get more involved in the community.
I learned about Bitcoin back in like 20, late 2010, I think.
And since then, I've just kind of been learning, but never really took a front seat in anything
just because I didn't have a coding background and feel like I couldn't really speak in those
conversations.
So everything was there.
A lot of people in Bitcoin were very technical, so it was very intimidating.
But over time, got knowledge and just wanted to do more than just kind of sit on the sidelines.
So started Help Me.Cash, which is just a link aggregation site, and started getting involved
in Smart BCH when it was a thing, which first got me into coding.
And then when that exploded, I jumped over to learning Cash tokens.
And that's where Badgers and FundMe have come from.
Yeah, that explosion with Smart BCH.
That was a painful time for a lot of developers.
And it's wonderful that you stayed on.
So what was it that made you decide to stay on and move your efforts from Smart BCH to
Cash tokens?
I've been in Bitcoin a very long time.
It's kind of the typical OG Bitcoin person that's in BCH is that it's the first.
It logically makes sense from a technical and economic standpoint.
And SegWit happened and SegWit 2.x didn't happen and exploded.
It's just kind of tossing the towel and then it's all in BCH at that point.
So I was all in Bitcoin and then all in BCH after the fork happened.
And I've kind of been on that the whole time.
So when Smart BCH actually died, that was a decision of I actually had a very large
EVM project and I had to decide either do I go to Cash tokens and rebuild from scratch
or do I very easily hop over to some other EVM chain?
And I played around with like Avalanche and looked at Solana and stuff.
But my heart wasn't in it.
I am a BCH person, a Bitcoin person.
But also just from the logical standpoint, Cash tokens and I think I've said this a few
places, it seems like a Solidity 2.0 for BCH where Ethereum got massively popular because
of its programming language.
And when Solidity came out, it became very easy to do.
Cash tokens on BCH just seems like that.
It's another version.
It's we're potentially at the beginning of another huge explosion of adoption.
So why not jump in first?
Yeah, definitely.
I think there's a huge amount of potential for everything that is being built here.
That's why we're all here, right?
Because we see the importance of decentralized money and how, I'm guessing, you've been in
the community for a long time that you've seen that from the cryptocurrencies that you're
aware of, that Bitcoin Cash has something that's built for that future.
And maybe, could you give some insight for those that listen to this that maybe new to
Bitcoin Cash or unaware of what benefits it have?
Why Bitcoin Cash over for something like BTC or any other crypto that you're sort of aware
of like Ethereum?
What makes Bitcoin Cash the one that draws to you and that pulls you back and keeps you
invested?
A lot of it comes down to the economics.
It's all about users and having people use it, the most amount of people possible, but
then not going to the extremes that the network can't handle.
So it's kind of like that.
The three bears with BTC being too small, BCH being just right, and then SV showing
that going too large doesn't work.
So growing over time to allow all those users and providing enough to incentivize the miners
to keep the network working long term.
It's a very in-depth discussion that is hard to get across people in the very simple terms.
From my view, anyways, I'm bad at doing that.
But just like the overall design of the technicals and economics, it does work.
The design works at Hoshi the way he designed it.
So that's kind of why I've always went to follow that path of what makes sense.
It does work.
Yeah, for me, there's so many aspects of Bitcoin cash that I think is so important.
So I think the original design of Bitcoin is just phenomenal, is brilliant.
And the idea of a store of value and means of exchange, this was the critical part.
And I think it's really interesting because the fork BTC was crippled, became the store
of value.
And it'd be very difficult to make it a means of exchange.
Whereas Bitcoin cash kept that means of exchange, still has some work to do on the store of
value.
But this is where people like yourself and all of the building that happens can easily
rectify that.
But nevertheless, the technology has continuously improved since that split in 2017 to make
Bitcoin cash even a better means of exchange and to be even more smart while still scalable.
So for me, that makes Bitcoin cash the clear winner, certainly from those two, without
going into Ethereum or that sort of model.
But thinking about builders, and I think we've discussed this in person, that buildings and
products is what's going to lift BCH up and get those users up and get the value of the
network up.
One of the products that you've created is Badgers Cash, which I've sent a link in Twitter
so anyone can check that out.
Maybe you could talk about Badgers Cash.
What is this site?
What made you create this site?
And what does it offer?
So Badgers is actually the second project I started working on once I had cash tokens
and somewhat making sense in my head.
And doing time locks on Bitcoin isn't new.
And I think BTC even can do it at some rudimentary level or something.
I'm not 100% on that.
So since I was having problems with my first project, I wanted to get something ready for
bliss.
So I decided, well, let's do some sort of time locking thing.
And because we got cash tokens, we can create tokens.
So why don't we reward tokens?
So it's basically just staking.
And so I did that.
So you lock BCH and you get Badger coins back for it for the amount of time that you've
locked.
And how many Badger coins do you get for a period of time?
It's 111 on the website.
So that's one Badger coin is equivalent to locking one BCH for one block.
OK.
So just as I was developing it, mostly Badgers was me learning what I can do and what can
be done.
And so you also get an NFT back when you unlock.
And it's honey is what I called it.
And right now it doesn't do anything.
And every time you do an unlock, you get a honey.
But it does track how much Badger coins that block did.
So in the future, for example, we could set it up so that the honey gets merged together
into one NFT.
And that's almost like it's tracking the fungible token value that the NLTs had.
But it's on an NFT.
But you could still use that in things like the game thing that I've been working on as
well.
Oh, game thing?
So mostly just.
Did you go on?
It's on my Twitter.
It's not a hidden thing.
I think it's just that.
With me and cash tokens, I've just been trying to learn and do things and see what I can
do.
So I did Badgers.
So it spits out fungible tokens in an NFT.
And so then I made a normal NFT, what people think of, you know, just a picture token thing
that you can buy.
So on the Badgers cash website, if you go to Mint tab, there's a normal NFT collection
of 10,000 Badgers.
There's like 160 sold or something right now.
The difference.
So again, just trying to explore cash tokens is because they're NFTs, they have a little
bit of data you can save on them.
So I just stuck in a bunch of randomly generated numbers on the NFTs as well.
And those are stats, stamina, dexterity, strength, attack, defense.
They don't do anything right now.
But the next step was, well, can we plug these NFTs with cash tokens, hack into a web game?
So there's nothing online right now except for some pictures on my Twitter, but it's
just a basic like side scrolling 2D shooting game where you got one of the Badgers and
you can connect your wallet and it'll see your NFT and you can click your NFT and it
takes your stats on the NFT and it affects the game.
So you'll do more damage, you'll run faster, that type of stuff.
Oh, that sounds fun.
And I saw your Twitter post on this.
You posted, you had some quite action after Bliss.
Oh, sorry, just to go back a little second.
So it sounds to me then that Bliss 2024, so that was May this year, that encouraged you
to really put the pedal down and get Badgers cash out there.
Is that correct?
Yes.
Absolutely, I got to the hotel the day before and I was working on Badgers that night and
doing updates just before the conference happened.
Love it.
And this is, BCH Bliss for me was a fantastic experience.
I actually met Sayoshi there in person and he got to give me a live presentation of the
stuff that he's been working on.
And I loved the atmosphere because there was a lot of builders, a lot of tinkerers, a lot
of developers there just trying out new things, which is exactly what Sayoshi has done here
with Badgers cash.
But it's a really interesting concept.
The idea that you take your BCH, you take it somewhere, you lock it up in a permissionless
way that's also dealt with with a smart contract.
So Sayoshi can't steal your money or steal your website.
Once that contract, the time passes and however many blocks you set to lock that BCH up passes
then you get your BCH back and some tokens.
And this is a really interesting concept.
It encourages people to remove BCH liquidity from the market and to lock it up for some
fun and games.
But then, as I saw after BCH Bliss, you were sharing some posts, some nice images of the
characters that you had from Badgers cash and slowly adapting that and moving that so
it was becoming more of a game.
But I haven't seen much of that over the last few months.
I can't remember when the last post was, but I certainly there seems to be more action
after BCH Bliss than today.
Is that correct?
And if so, what's happening with that?
Are we going to see more progression or are you calling off and working on something else?
So one thing I'll jump in real quick since I forgot it.
So the Badger tokens right now, there's only one use case on the minting page.
You can mint one of the Badgers.
They're 0.03 BCH by default.
If you provide 10 Badger coins, it cuts that price in half.
And that's part of the smart contract.
Again, just kind of experimenting with what you can do.
For the, there's been a lot of stuff happening in the background.
I think it's been about two months since I really touched Badgers.
After the conference, I actually during the conference, I had a little bit of a mind epiphany
of the issue is having my first project and suddenly realizing the mistake I made and
being able to fix that when I got back.
So after the conference, fund me.cash got released a few months later, which is for
BCH people like Flipstarter.
So it's crowdfunding, but it's directly on the chain using a smart contract.
Since then, there has been multiple projects in the works.
A couple big ones, some I can't talk about yet.
Some that are on pause.
Myself, I have a couple other side projects.
Nothing officially announceable at the moment, but one to do with BCH loans.
Another to do with a different way to do crowdfunding.
And then that one's kind of like the first steps into the BCH DAO stuff.
So actually being able to have people pool money together and vote on what it can do.
And that almost kind of ties into fund me too.
So I actually made an article a couple of years ago about bch.do on read.cash.
And that's kind of everything I've been doing has been like the steps towards that.
Yeah, it's really exciting.
I've got a lot of questions about fund me.cash.
I'd like to explore that a bit more.
Before then, I saw Cheep, you gave the thumbs down when Saharishi mentioned about BCH loans.
Is that something you want to come on to stage and talk about?
It'd be interesting to hear your take.
Maybe not.
But if you do grab the mic, I'd love to hear why you have some questions there.
But yeah, looking at fund me.cash, this is really interesting.
So fund me.cash is, as you said, an alternative to Flipstarter.
And oh, Cheepie is requesting the mic.
Okay, add speaker.
So Cheepie, once you've joined, yes, let's hear your take on that.
What was the thumbs down on?
What's your concern there?
You can probably only hear me on the left side if this is the same as the GP space earlier
today.
My thumbs down wasn't about loans.
It was about all of the projects that he can't talk about.
So yeah, so many.
You want more?
I want to know what's happening.
Now it makes sense.
Yeah, I mean, we want more, right?
We want more projects and we know that so she's up to some juicy stuff and we want to
hear about every last detail.
What a tease.
So my thumbs down was just about being in the dark and I don't like it.
So that's it.
You're right.
Let's squeeze Sire actually by the nipples and get all the information out of him before
he leaves.
Yeah, so actually, I'd like to tell me about fund me.cash.
This is something that's relatively new and is an alternative to Flipstarter.
So why would someone choose fund me.cash over Flipstarter?
What benefits does it have?
So the first downside of fund me.cash is there is a fee involved whereas Flipstarter is technically
free.
You just have to run the server and website and stuff yourself.
So that's kind of the flip side of the benefit of fund me is that it's very easy to use and
that's what the fee is paying for.
Basically, you just go to the create page, you put in your dates when you want the campaign
to end, how much VCH you want to raise, and then you just throw in your description and
images and you hit go and then you hit confirm on your wallet and you're good.
So it just simplifies crowdfunding quite a bit.
It also allows people, pledgers, people that put money towards VCH towards campaigns to
refund at any time a lot easier in my opinion than Flipstarter.
Here you need to use the ElectronCash wallet with the plugin and it does work.
It works fine.
I've used it before.
So I'm not talking down to Flipstarter at all.
But because of cash tokens, we can expand the capabilities a lot more.
And there's like so much stuff I could add to fund me that is on the list, the big list.
Yeah, that's the gist.
Yeah, I have to admit I'm a big fan.
So I've seen this happen many times with Flipstarter or the different variants of it that someone
left some money or gave some money to the campaign.
It was maybe sometimes got disappeared and then didn't know how to get it back or if
the Flipstarter didn't succeed, they lost access to that particular seed or how they got the
money back or depending on how it was done.
And for me also, it was a little bit of a challenge.
Now with fundme.cash, you can use a wallet connect supporting wallet such as Paytaka and
you can just connect your wallet into that, send the money with great ease.
I haven't refunded anything yet.
I'll just wait till Chipe's fund me almost gets funded.
Then I'll yank the money.
No, I'm only joking.
But I assume that that works and works effortlessly.
I can certainly see it's just a click of a button.
So this is a great website, I think well worthy of the fee.
And I'm guessing that's why people like GP are using this because they see it as so easy
and effortless for people to offer their support to campaigns that it's well worth the fee
of sorry, what was the fee again?
Was it 3%?
So to create a campaign, it's 0.01 BCH.
It's a flat and it's 1.5% to claim.
Okay, even better than I thought.
So one thing with fund me, one thing with yeah, considering my Kickstarter for example
is 8%.
And they go can go all the way up to like 15.
After doing some research on it, which I didn't do until after fund me was already created.
So the one thing with fund me is that the contract is open, open source and but it's
also open in the sense that the functions to interact, allow a service fee.
So that 1.5% fee that fund me charges, it uses those function arguments, but anybody
else can create a website that also does that.
So if somebody wanted to use the fund me, the contract behind fund me and not pay the
1.5% fee, and this is shooting myself in the foot, but that's okay.
They can create a website to interact with the contract and just not pay the fee or just
pay themselves the fee rather.
So they don't have to pay for it.
Fund me was initially another project of me learning and I wasn't necessarily thinking
this was going to be like a business, but I kind of got talked into I shouldn't be afraid
to make money.
So kind of throw it out there, see how it does.
And a lot of the improvements I want to make to fund me might end up being a new contract.
So it might get locked down more, it might not depending on things.
But a lot of the features of fund me are mostly front end stuff.
So somebody could throw up their own website with a much better front end because fund
me's website is a little janky in places.
And it's just there to encourage people to try and do things.
I think that is incredibly honorable.
So just for everyone out there who is unaware, the point zero one BCH is roughly five bucks
and that's what it costs to list.
And I think this is a good amount because it prevents sort of spamming and just people
putting up all sorts of junk on there.
So access a filter in that part.
And what I can also say there, Sashi is the way you talk about how you set that up and
the fact that you're even talking about how people can bypass the fee structure that you've
put in there.
It speaks to the BCH community and that's the sort of community that Bitcoin Cash has.
And I would say to a fault.
So it's fantastic.
I love working with Bitcoin Cashes because they are very morally good aligned people.
But absolutely it's fine.
Not just fine, it's good.
And BCH has start creating businesses around their ideas, profitable businesses, because
everyone needs to finance to be able to pay their rents, to pay their food.
And if you want to have children, for example, everything costs money.
And so when you're earning money from your business, your BCH oriented business, that
allows you to spend more time, more effort and dedicate more resources and try out even
more things on Bitcoin Cash.
So this is my message to the community.
It's okay to earn money doing what you're doing.
Do it fairly, do it honestly as you have done.
You've set the fees very clear, the fair price.
People get to choose if they want to accept that or not and they can choose another service.
And if they do choose to accept that, then the fee is part of that bargain of having
that really frictionless experience, which of course the less friction there is, the
more likely people are to contribute and the more likely you are to get that amount anyway.
And people can adjust that into the amount that they need to raise if it plays a role
in that.
So my advice to you, Soshi, is please feel free to lock that down.
I'm sure many in the community, if not anyone that you care about, would agree with that
because we want to see more developers be able to fund their BCH endeavors through their
own entrepreneurship.
So not having to ask to reach out for money because it's not always there.
And we want to make sure that things continue and developing in this space.
So yeah, that's just my take on that.
Yeah, it's been a discussion I've had.
But the cash starter contract, which is behind FundMe, is on the blockchain.
It's there.
It's not going anywhere.
It's fully open and anybody can use it hundreds of years into the future.
That's great.
Although I'm guessing maybe in hundreds of years the future will have something even
better.
Most likely.
Yeah.
Great.
Then, yeah, is anyone in the audience have any questions for Soshi?
I do.
I would love to hear a little bit more about, I've been impressed to see that the traction
on the site is starting to build up.
You know, firstly, with this one campaign, two campaigns.
Now there's already a bit of a backlog.
And that's great because that's a huge, another upgrade over FlipStarter.
Because all the FlipStarter were hosted separately.
It's great for decentralization, et cetera.
But it made it very hard to keep track of what campaigns had been run before, who had
funded them, what they'd done, what they'd promised, et cetera.
But with FundMe, it's also naturally aggregated together in one place.
And you can just look back in the history and find those.
At the moment, it's small enough that you can just quickly scroll around there and find
what you're looking for.
But in the future, that will become harder and harder to do, especially as like for I
am the first FundMe and I'm probably soon going to do my second FundMe campaign.
So it would be great then if there was like a section with or a filter or something so
that you could just look for Bitcoin Cash Pod guys.
You could just see the history building up over time to create confidence for future
investors, right?
In another campaign.
And in that way, get people into recurring income working in the industry.
So I'm wondering what sort of plans, if any, there are for improving that visibility on
the delivery.
Like you could have a little delivered status.
You could check up on people after a little while, give them a space to write an update
over time, anything like that would be awesome.
And also separately, which is sort of related to stats at the top.
I love the stats where it says how many BCH have been raised, how many people have been
funded, et cetera, as those numbers take up over time builds so much credibility for
the site.
And that's great, but that might also be something else to improve in the future in terms of
more metrics, graphs, linking that to how many people have delivered or how much has
been done, et cetera.
Yeah, the stats on the site are technically static except for the total raisin pledges
supposed to dynamically update.
But there's a bug with that right now, which I know what the problem is, I just haven't
got around to it.
But doing the historical, like the archived campaigns and everything around that, once
we start getting more campaigns is definitely near the top of my very big list, being able
to filter them and do things like that.
So there's definitely plans.
I got some ideas around some of it.
So that will happen at some point.
It's just a matter of when.
The only real major feature I've added to FundMe recently was campaign creators can do
an update now on their campaign.
So Jeremy, like you could actually go to your old FundMe that you did and there's the update
tab.
As long as you're connected with the address that created it, it'll automatically show
up a little edit box, just like when you created it.
And you can put whatever message you want in there and submit, and then it posts it
as an update that everybody can see.
So FundMe that I actually did for the learning classes, I think it has two on it right now,
just as an example.
So yeah, definitely a lot of things around that are at the top of the list.
It's just a matter of time to work on it.
Yeah, as always.
But that's super cool because then it's turning into almost a bit of an accountability, sort
of get for free as a part of doing that.
Like I already have the Bitcoin Cash Podcast website and I can make a big effort to try
and record a lot of what I do to build up this credibility.
But the easier we can make that for new people, like somebody new coming to the community
might not know that that's what they should do or that's how they...
So the more we can help people with the tools inbuilt right there to build up that credibility
and help them get the best chance of delivering the results and getting funded again.
That's just absolutely amazing.
Yeah, that was kind of the idea around the archive and having it set up like that.
And also it's like another thing that's on the list is allowing pledgers to vote against
campaigns that have finished of like, do they approve or not approve based off the funding
or what happened to the campaign?
And like that's a whole other expansion to the FundMe contracts or the cash store contracts
rather that is I've spent a bunch of time and I do have some like basic implementations,
but just need time.
And that's kind of why I did the learning classes recently or planning to do them is
just to try and get some more eyes on it because at this stage BCH is extremely powerful, but
we need people to actually be building.
Yeah, definitely.
More people in the ecosystem will help.
So Sasha, I understand you were at a BTC meetup last night.
Did you manage to get any of the people interested or the interest peak to come into the BCH world
and start tinkering here?
No.
Yeah, it was quite maxi.
Wasn't much progress made on that front and there was a lot of new people there to crypto
in general and they got a very big presentation about mining at home, which I just kind of
wanted to facepalm the entire time.
Oh, jeez.
Were they actually trying to sell that as a...
What were they selling that as a helping the network or making money?
I mean, how do you sell that mining at home for BTC?
Yeah, it was a little bit of everything.
The guys running the presentation were good.
They're actually the guys that make the bit, bit acts, little miners.
But the overall conversation was, yeah, generally industrial mining, how many thousands it costs
to get it working in your house to replace your furnace and stuff, which there's interesting
things about that type of stuff.
But you could just tell that most of the people that were there to learn have not really heard
anything about crypto and they were specifically interested in profit.
Yeah.
And if you want profit, you don't really want to be in the mining sector unless you have
millions of dollars.
Unless you have millions of dollars and are somewhere where the energy is particularly
cheap, it's probably going to cost you money.
But I think the profit is the normal reason why people are attracted to cryptocurrency.
We have to be honest here.
They come for the gains, but they stay for the feels, especially in Bitcoin Cash.
And this is where the more builders we've got, the more products that are being put
out there, the more people will come in and they'll see that and they're more likely to
come in because there's activity there.
There's a chance to be part of the pioneering force.
But I think that's the reality of whether it's 98% or 99%, but I'm pretty sure it's
about there.
People get into crypto because, hey, there's money in this, right?
Yeah, just to give context.
I'm in Alberta, Canada, and the electricity here is very expensive.
So any mining that you're going to do here, unless you're a very large industrial player
that's worked out a special deal, definitely you're not going to be making anything.
Yeah, I mean, I'm in Germany and the cost of electricity is about 40 cents per kilowatt
hour.
So you can't mine, not at a huge cost.
Just want to do a quick pause.
I just want to read out.
So a reminder to everyone that there's the competition to win 50,000 furu and the winner
will get 50,000 furu, runners up will get the remaining sort of just over 50,000.
We've had a few entrants here.
I just like to read out this one.
I think this is pretty cool.
So a Finnish from friends catchphrase, real money, real tokens, real talk.
Finnish from friends.
It's nice.
There's also some other ones, but it would take the next hour to read them out.
So I'm going to leave those ones to the side, but maybe they're going to be...
I certainly entered into the competition for the runner up prize, but if there's anyone
out there with a great catchphrase, do comment it in under this spaces for a chance to win
that 50,000 furu or one of the runner up prizes.
So actually thank you so much for your time.
And it's really, I'm so privileged to have met you in person.
And I think that what you're doing for fun is already a lot more than what many people
are doing for serious.
So I'm really excited to see the outcome of the projects that you're working on.
And I can't wait until you can share some more details.
And I really, I would be wonderful to be able to see you again in person.
I really hope that some magic happens and you're able to attend BCH Bliss next year
with your wife.
And, but if not, we understand.
But thank you so much for being here.
And it was always a pleasure.
Yeah.
Thanks for having me.
He's trying to talk me into it.
So we'll see.
Oh, fantastic.
This is, you know, we had, we saw BCH Bliss, there was 60 tickets sold.
And what I'm, I'd love to see it.
That's the majority of the people that went there from what I experienced had a really
nice time, shared some, some great moments with each other.
And I'm really would love to see the majority come back and then to grow on that with new
fresh entrance to the BCH Bliss experience.
And while we're on the BCH Bliss topic, we've got Jeremy here.
So please welcome Jeremy, one of the organizers of BCH Bliss, also developer behind Celine
Wallet and organizer of the 2024 BCH Cash Tokens Mean Coin Competition.
Jeremy, welcome.
Second show.
You're already your second.
Glad to be here.
I'm a regular.
You're a regular.
Yes.
Before we dive into the most exciting topic that you've come to talk about BCH Bliss,
I just want to have a quick update.
I'm sure many people are interested.
How's the Mean Coin Competition going?
How many coins have been submitted so far?
And could you talk a little bit about the very best of the tokens that have been entered?
And I'd love to know one of the worst.
Well we've had a, we've had a mix.
To be honest, I haven't looked at the actual wallet where we're accepting the submissions
yet because I want to get a good sense from myself.
If I see the tokens coming up, you know, on my social media feed, if they're doing a good
job marketing, they're attracting attention.
They're attracting buzz without me necessarily knowing that they're entered immediately,
right?
Because that's exactly how you experience a token in the real world.
You're not, you know, you don't have a list of these are the things I want to look into.
You know, you just see what's out there and then what jumps out at you is what's doing
the best job of marketing and getting your attention.
So I couldn't give you the stats on the exact amount of submissions.
I know for sure we have the fiendish token that you have done, which has been quite a
strong entrance, at least so far.
It's listed on Cauldron.
It has a fascinating concept with being linked to your time.
It has nice graphics.
You've done this show as a tie in to that.
So that's very impressive work already.
And I think even if just that came out of the competition, it already would have been
worth that time to run.
But we've had a couple of others as well too.
I've seen Yorn and Smile Token have both been created and they've had some more sort of,
I don't know what the word is, not Pepe style graphics exactly, but more of that kind of
internet cartoon look has been catching my eye a little bit.
They've done some promotions on Twitter and so forth as well too.
So we're generating some buzz there.
And then obviously we have the two categories.
So people can submit in the cash tokens.
There's been some work there.
Paul, shout out to him as well.
He made a video that you've referenced before I know too about how to make coins and how
to list them on Cauldron and so forth.
So that was also very inspiring because part of the goals of the competition is to drive
not only using the tooling, but actually explaining it, doing tutorials and creating new tooling
and where it's needed for other people to follow up.
So that might also be kind of in the running.
I don't know whether he submitted a token that he made as a test or whether he's going
to or if it will just be that video, but that's also caught my eye as something maybe was
rewarding.
And then we have the non-cash tokens section like we did last year with the people can
do images.
We've had a poll submitted actually, which I quite liked.
I think we've had at least one, probably maybe two videos as well.
So there's competition is quite hot in that category as well.
So it's maybe you could maybe you could share some.
Have you retweeted those ones?
I haven't been retweeting them all too much.
And that's honestly a bit of a state of the BCH ecosystem.
These days there's so much going on that I can't just retweet, you know, absolutely everything.
So I have to be a little bit selective.
There's so much going on.
But if you go on my profile and you click on the pin post and then scroll down in the
comments there, you can see people are replying with their images and the videos and all kinds
of stuff.
There's actually, gosh, I'm just looking now.
There's some new ones that I hadn't seen before.
It's crazy.
There's too much stuff going on right now, BCH.
I've had this thought as well.
So for everyone that's listening, just tone it down because I'm also someone I like retweeting
when I see stuff that's like, hey, that's really interesting.
That's great development.
I like retweeting that.
And I do feel that I just pick up Twitter and everything I read is like, yes, this is
awesome.
Retweet.
Okay, that's 20 retweets in the last hour.
I better cool it down.
So yeah, head on to Jeremy's profile.
And I'm actually just going on there now.
Let's see.
The bar is going up definitely for earning a retweet from me.
And that's such a brilliant sign as the ecosystem grows.
When I started the BCH podcast, I had to do a little bit of manufacturing something to
talk about.
There wasn't necessarily tons going on within BCH.
Had to look in the rest of crypto and have different guests or talk about the history
things that were happening in the past.
But these days, there is absolutely no shortage and I just cannot cover everything.
So that's just great.
The scene is just starting to really take off in the amount of energy and activity and
different elements.
So that's a great thing.
And I love to see it, but does have the natural side effect that the selective pressure becomes
higher and higher and higher to break through in terms of getting retweet or segment on
the show or something like that.
And that's good.
That's just the sort of a capitalist process.
It's really iteration driving quality as people try and deliver bigger and bigger announcements
or projects or ideas to get that mindshare to an increasingly large audience as well
too, which is amazing.
Yeah, definitely.
Yeah, it's a really exciting moment for the community.
I genuinely wish we had some sort of tracker of if I was to log that, how many interesting
BCH developments I see, like genuinely interesting developments.
I'm convinced that the last few weeks alone have been just mind blowing.
Like XO being announced.
I mean, just today, I think it was today, I don't know, it's moving so quickly.
It had Cauldron decks, had their upgrades and it looks just so much better now.
And you can see all the transactions really easily that have happened.
But it's just continuous.
It's just things pinging off left, right and center.
And it's a great time to be in the community.
I love seeing this development.
So yeah, everyone is invited to join this cash tokens meme coin competition.
Just go over to Jeremy's X handle.
So that's at the BCH podcast where you can check out the rules.
I've also posted it in the links.
You've got linked to the rules and guidance on how to submit your meme coin for a chance
to win one BCH.
And now we come to the most exciting topic of all.
So I had a great time this year, the start of the year at BCH bliss 2024, where I got
to meet all the wonderful, many wonderful people here.
Dago was there, Jeremy, of course, some other people that I won't mention.
But there was just so many, so many people there from the community and it was a great
experience.
And I thought maybe, you know, was this just a once off of experiencing such a moment,
a monumentous occasion, but no, the news came out just after the last Phoenix and Friends
that BCH bliss 2025 has been greenlit.
So Jeremy, I'd love to hear all about that.
Yes.
Well, I buried the lead a little bit.
I was trying to I said like, oh, well, I'm going to be making an announcement of an announcement
kind of thing.
And you were like, what are you talking about?
What does that even mean?
But that's what it was.
We're bringing back bliss for a second year.
So when we first ran it last year, obviously, it was a bit of an experiment.
You know, I mean, I have kind of a big vision for the whole bliss brand and idea because
I had seen you can just look in the larger cryptocurrencies on the coin market cap ranks
and just see, look, BCH is better than these coins on a lot of aspects.
You know, it might be more scalable, it has better technology, has a more dedicated community.
It has a smoother governance process.
It has more innovative projects, more passionate people.
And then you sort of look, OK, well, there's going to be a reason that we are number one.
Right.
So what are those reasons?
Where are we lacking and what do we need to fix?
And there's a few things in that in that bucket.
You know, it's a smaller community.
There was a lot of problems with the history, various people lost money like the coin flex,
bridge scam and so forth.
Right.
But one of the most noticeable things that we're really lacking to massively increase
both our credibility and our visibility, as well as improve the network effect within
the community was conferences, essentially was being like physical events, you know,
in 2020, 2021.
There was a coronavirus and stuff and there just weren't any conferences.
2022, we had St. Kitts, which was great.
And I know I was thinking the other day, you know, that was just past two years ago.
Now that was in November of 22.
And when we were there, I remember saying, I'm sure to you and other people like, wow,
this is going to be looked back on as a real historic moment.
Like if you were here for this, you truly were one of the BCH OGs.
Right.
And then that was the conference was great and everything, but for a variety of reasons,
it didn't recur the next year in 2023.
So in 2023, we had a bit of a gap.
And so coming up to sort of more the end of 2023, I thought, well, for 2024, we really
do want to have a conference.
And Jonathan had this idea to have a sort of a meetup, like a small technical meetup
to celebrate the upgrade, because that's one of the big features that BCH has is that we
have a regularly scheduled upgrade that you know when it's going to be.
And it's a bit of a shelling point.
Everyone can get excited.
Everyone can get hyped up going into it and stuff.
And in the past, we've done just live streams where people can join online.
But that's sort of, you know, it's really not as exciting as being there in person,
you know, with a room full of people that are so excited.
So for that reason, there was a lot of ideas that I had as to like, well, we need a conference,
you know, in my ideal vision in the future in 15 or 20 years when Bitcoin cashes its
global reserve currency used by billions of people, there would obviously be some kind
of mega festival or something.
You know, the NFL has the Super Bowl, the NBA have their finals, big, you know, artists
have Glastonbury and anything that is significantly large enough as a cultural has some kind of
monumental in person meetup type event, right?
And crypto shouldn't be any different.
So because BCH was lacking in that so much, I thought, well, this is a great chance for
us to step into the breach there and try and create something that we've been super lucky
this year because we had bliss and that was great.
And then also the BCH Argentina, which is awesome.
So we've got two conferences this year, and there's already two announced for next year
between bliss and the Townsville guys.
And I don't know if anybody's going to announce any other ones, but at the very least, that
means we're now getting multiple conferences a year.
So you can really see that the theme is growing, but we did the first bliss, like I said, is
a bit of an experiment on it.
I did, you know, a big vision for it, but you never know until you run it and people
come and actually enjoy it.
And as the organizers, we felt that everything went well.
We didn't have any problems, you know, we found some good sponsors and so forth.
There were some amazing people that turned up, right?
There's some real surprises when all of a sudden people started speaking and you're
even though you've never heard this person, the voice, but you've seen the way that they
write and all of a sudden, hang on a minute.
I know you.
Yeah.
And that was a really amazing experience that you could only have in person.
Yeah, that was a huge thing that meant that we clearly had done something right, that
we had earned the trust of people in the community to come out to an event like that.
And we were, we did make an effort to sort of try and respect people's privacy and so
forth that they didn't want to be in photos from the event and all that.
And so going forward, we want to obviously continue that.
And so bliss really is trying to be, well, Jonathan sees it as a builder focused conference.
And I think that's, that's right.
First and foremost, he is very heavy on the technical aspect and celebrating the upgrade.
And I love all that.
But in my mind, it's got that element, but it is also a bit of a celebration of BCH as
a whole.
And it needs to be an event for the community.
And I think those two strands work together quite nicely.
So yeah, we're bringing it back.
Exactly.
Yeah, exactly.
All right.
So I've got some important questions.
I guess a lot of people here are interested to know when are the tickets going on sale?
So we just put out a video.
It's on the BCH bliss Twitter accounts pinned there announcing it.
So we announced on November the 15th, which is the lock in day for the VM limits.
So it kind of was nicely coincided.
But tickets will be on sale January the 15th.
So you'll have four months and then the conference starts on the 12th or 13th of May.
Really, I guess people I'll be I'll definitely be there on the 12th.
But the actual conference starts on the 13th, 14th, 15th, be able to get tickets four months
in advance.
Last year, we also announced that we did the tickets in January, but that was also just
announced at that time, right?
This year, we're really trying to give a bit more lead time for hype and everything.
But we know that obviously people are going to be busy during Christmas and so forth.
So in January 15th, we'll be going live with the ticket sale on TapSwap like we did last
year.
We might also see considering maybe having an option just that you can pay in pure BCH
and then get your Belma allocated at the door.
We had some people who weren't really up to date with the latest in the BCH ecosystem.
It's moving so fast that we're starting to leave people behind a little bit in that even
if they were crypto fans, they couldn't really get their head around the Wallet Connect and
TapSwap and all that.
Right.
But they still wanted to be a part of it.
So we're going to try and find a way to accommodate those people, I think.
But it will be January 15th sale on TapSwap.
Obviously, we'll do a big announcement and post about it.
There'll be the Belmas this year.
So last year, it was the Jessicas.
This year, it's the Belma, NFTs.
You can obviously choose your favorites from the ones that are listed.
We'll probably do a variety of prices like we did last year within a certain range.
And then obviously, that will be taken into the event like we did last year.
It's really a crypto conference.
It's not like the crypto where we're all making money.
It's like to be at the event, you actually have to be using the latest tools and actually
engaging with crypto as it's going to become popular and common in the future.
We're really pioneering that in practice.
I love that.
And I think this is great to take into consideration, as you say, the people that are being left
behind.
There might also be people very new to BCH that just want to come because they want to
experience what the ecosystem has to offer.
And I don't think, for me, a conference should be inclusive.
If people want to come, they should be able to come.
Of course, they have to pay in BCH.
In some way, I think that's the right mentality.
But to make that as easy and effortless for people, I think it's a good and a smart way
to go.
And just for everyone out there, I am financially involved in that because I've got a whopping
massive 100 euro bet to fill out all the seats.
So I want to make that frictionless as possible because I want to fill up those seats and
make sure that we make it just as before, really just as exactly the same atmosphere,
just with a stick of dynamite up its ass, just bigger, better.
So you said you mentioned about the prices.
Are the prices going to be similar to last time?
Have you got any indication of how that's going to look like?
Well, yeah, I don't want to make any promises at this stage.
Certainly, because obviously crypto is volatile.
So who knows by January the 15th, certainly with how the market is now, who knows how
much a BCH is going to be worth.
But what I probably can say is that last year, we tried to find a nice sort of middle ground
that was cheaper than most of what the sort of crypto industry in quotation marks would
go to charge for an event because obviously we appreciate that we want to make it financially
accessible to as many people as possible.
And people also do obviously have to spend money in traveling to the event, getting their
hotel and staying in the area and being on a bit of a vacation.
So we do want to try and keep things accessible.
Last year, the tickets were roughly, it was about $250 at the US dollars at the time that
we set the prices.
But then they were fixed in BCH and the BCH price did fluctuate significantly between
the time that we set them and then the time that the actual event was.
I'm getting some feedback finished.
And then so once we had that set, we just stuck with it, really.
And I think that will probably be the same strategy for us this year.
I think as we're getting close to the ticket sale, we'll pick the price that we believe
is suitable and lift up the Bellmers and then obviously they'll trade and they can also
trade on the secondary market if there's tons of additional demand.
But I think the strategy of setting the price in BCH is a good one because the price doesn't
change for BCH holders.
If the price goes to the moon in the couple of months, well, then that might make it hard
for people who want to scramble for the last minute.
But if you are already a BCH holder, then at least some of your wealth is denominated
in BCH and there's no actual change to the price.
So it's another way that we're pioneering and thinking about operating on cryptocurrency
as a full economy.
But we are going to try and make things accessible as we can and we'll also be responsive to
ticket demand.
So perhaps if there's overwhelming demand, we might release another trend at a lower
price or if we get a lot of extra sponsors that might also factor into our decision making.
But I can't make any promises there.
Yeah, that's understandable.
It's exciting.
And do we have some people that are well known that will be attending that aren't part of
the Bitcoin Cash community?
Well, we'll see.
You can never really tell until the day and obviously, particularly with the development
ticket sales, we don't even know.
We don't have the information of people's names and addresses.
And that defeats the whole point of crypto.
Anybody can just go on and buy a Belmer and whoever rocks up at the door, people could
even be trading them after the fact.
So whoever rocks up at the door with the Belmer is the one that gets it, really.
But that said, you do sort of get a bit of a sense as people are talking before the conference.
We certainly have seen some interest this year from Peter Risen, who is a very OG Bitcoiner
and a big blocker from before the fork.
He did a ton of work into scaling research and stuff.
Everybody who isn't familiar with his things can look up what he was involved with.
And he sort of drifted away from BCH for, I guess, a variety of his own reasons.
But having, I guess, seen some of the blitz last year and looking into it this year, he's
also kind of said a little bit like, I might be interested in attending.
So we're going to see what we can do to get him along because that would be a huge boost
for the community to be seeing him in action once again and really engaging with the project.
And then we've also seen a little bit of interest from Eric Wall, my, I don't know what the
word is, online frenemy who famously started the Taproot Wizards in 2023 after capitulating
on several years of believing the Lightning Network was going to fix everything.
So he's had a bit of a journey in appreciating Bitcoin through different lenses and said
that he was going to attend last year to come and really learn from the BCH's latest innovations
and so forth.
And then at the last minute, he wasn't able to attend and he was honestly quite gracious
where he let me know privately and all that.
So I appreciate him for that.
But when this year was announced, Jonathan poked him on Twitter and said, Eric, are you
considering coming along this year and maybe fulfilling your promise?
And he immediately replied and said, I'll be there.
So we'll see whether or not he is in attendance.
But that would be really cool.
I would love to meet him in person.
He's done a lot for Bitcoin in his own way.
And I also respect how much he has been able to mature in his understanding of the technology
and the history and the community.
And certainly that would also bring a lot of attention, obviously, to the event if we
were attracting people who were previously quite outspoken critics or skeptics of BCH.
So there's a lot of potential there.
I mean, this is only we only just announced this one week ago.
You never know.
We still have another six months before the event.
So who knows what could happen or what kind of attendees we'll end up with.
Well, thanks so much for the information.
That's exciting.
Yeah, someone like Eric Wall.
So however anyone thinks about him, having someone that's that prominent on the cryptocurrency
scene to have someone like that come to a Bitcoin Cash Conference will bring in a whole
new set of eyes and will likely sell them more tickets for people that are sort of interested.
OK, what's going on here?
Because if it's interesting, someone that's so deep in the ecosystem but playing for another
team, then there must be something here worth investigating.
So thanks, Jeremy, for that, and I can't stress enough for everyone that is interested in
Bitcoin Cash and wants to meet their heroes.
BCHBliss is the place to be.
So I will definitely be joining.
I know Cheapie's going too.
So he's already promised that.
That's fantastic.
Well done.
We've got to sell those tickets.
We've got 150 seats to fill.
We're going to get everyone done.
I'm joking.
Cheapie said he probably won't be able to come because it's so crowded.
So we've got to get everyone done.
I'm joking, Cheapie said he probably won't be able to come because he's already sort
of gave his word to another conference, a Bitcoin Cash conference.
But let's see.
Maybe if the Bitcoin Cash price rises, as we all suspect, over the upcoming months,
then Cheapie will be able to join too.
So I've noticed the time.
We are over the hour.
So it's time to come to the end of Phoenix and Friends.
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