1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,640 Hey guys, Rich coming to you here with LeavingMAGA.org. 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:05,400 Got a brand new video for you today, 3 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:09,340 exactly how we recommend speaking 4 00:00:09,340 --> 00:00:13,000 and engaging with your friends and family 5 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,200 who are still in the thrall of MAGA. 6 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:17,460 You know, you guys are seeing these videos, 7 00:00:17,460 --> 00:00:18,560 they're all over the place. 8 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:22,720 Leaving MAGA was actually trending this weekend on TikTok. 9 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:26,680 So to quote a famous movie line, made it ma. 10 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:28,280 But in all seriousness, 11 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:31,320 it got me thinking about wanting to do this video here 12 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:36,200 about how to look to rejuvenate these relationships 13 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,800 that have been torn asunder by Trump and the MAGA movement. 14 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:41,240 So let me just get right into it here. 15 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:44,780 We've got a five step blueprint. 16 00:00:44,780 --> 00:00:47,280 This is a how-to that I wanna tell you guys 17 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,880 is not theoretical, it's not abstract. 18 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:54,880 It's actually been applied in real world situations 19 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:56,800 and has had success. 20 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,000 So step number one, okay, 21 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,400 and we ask that you follow in this order 22 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:04,420 because it's been the most effective. 23 00:01:04,420 --> 00:01:09,420 Step number one is search for relatability personally, 24 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:14,760 or perhaps politically seek some kind of common ground. 25 00:01:15,500 --> 00:01:18,320 You know, if you have a conversation long enough 26 00:01:18,320 --> 00:01:21,400 with someone who is in the MAGA community, 27 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:26,400 you're gonna realize that you actually have agreement 28 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:31,400 on some issues of importance that affect our lives 29 00:01:31,500 --> 00:01:33,140 on an everyday basis. 30 00:01:33,140 --> 00:01:35,660 And I know the challenge is trying to get 31 00:01:35,660 --> 00:01:38,040 to have a lengthy conversation, 32 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,660 but following these five steps, 33 00:01:40,660 --> 00:01:45,500 it's gonna help you find some of those issues 34 00:01:45,500 --> 00:01:48,220 that there is concurrence on them. 35 00:01:48,220 --> 00:01:52,620 And there are shared hopes and goals and dreams 36 00:01:52,620 --> 00:01:54,780 and fears and anxieties and concerns. 37 00:01:54,780 --> 00:01:56,660 So many of the emotions that make up 38 00:01:57,620 --> 00:02:00,660 and formulate our political opinions. 39 00:02:00,660 --> 00:02:05,180 So that's step one, search for relatability personally 40 00:02:05,180 --> 00:02:06,640 and perhaps politically. 41 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,300 Step number two, do not attack. 42 00:02:09,300 --> 00:02:13,660 This is one that I see all day long on social media. 43 00:02:13,660 --> 00:02:17,940 Please, I ask you refrain from attacking another, 44 00:02:17,940 --> 00:02:19,520 even if it's a complete stranger, 45 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,280 much less a friend or a relative in MAGA. 46 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:26,340 Try to understand why they believe 47 00:02:26,340 --> 00:02:27,660 what it is that they do. 48 00:02:27,660 --> 00:02:29,160 You don't have to agree. 49 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:32,740 Seeking a better comprehension of why someone in MAGA 50 00:02:32,740 --> 00:02:33,700 believes what they do. 51 00:02:33,700 --> 00:02:37,900 That doesn't mean that you have to agree or accept 52 00:02:37,900 --> 00:02:40,480 or defend with what they're saying, 53 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:43,480 but it does remind us that those with whom we differ 54 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:45,980 are not our enemies. 55 00:02:45,980 --> 00:02:48,560 And that's something that has been a challenge 56 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:50,300 for us at Leaving MAGA, 57 00:02:50,300 --> 00:02:52,760 but more and more we find in our conversations 58 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:57,000 when we speak with others and ask them to hold off 59 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,740 on attacking, we don't want them to do it. 60 00:02:59,740 --> 00:03:02,620 We start to see the results that in fact, 61 00:03:02,620 --> 00:03:05,760 people are having more civil, more engaging conversations. 62 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,720 And I think one of the reasons we're so polarized 63 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:12,340 is that there is this phobia that if I listen to someone 64 00:03:12,340 --> 00:03:15,420 I disagree with, that I'm lending credence to it, 65 00:03:15,420 --> 00:03:17,300 but that's actually not the case. 66 00:03:17,300 --> 00:03:20,260 So we're working to overcome that phobia. 67 00:03:20,260 --> 00:03:23,980 So don't think of this as trying to change someone's mind 68 00:03:23,980 --> 00:03:27,500 because a mind of someone in MAGA is not changed 69 00:03:27,500 --> 00:03:30,060 in a singular conversation. 70 00:03:30,060 --> 00:03:32,980 And if you hear something that you know is inaccurate, 71 00:03:32,980 --> 00:03:35,620 ask them respectfully and gently, 72 00:03:35,620 --> 00:03:37,260 where is it that you heard that? 73 00:03:37,260 --> 00:03:41,260 Wait, you heard X, where did you hear that? 74 00:03:41,260 --> 00:03:44,260 Or where did you see that? 75 00:03:44,260 --> 00:03:48,620 And get them thinking about the sources of information 76 00:03:48,620 --> 00:03:49,560 that they're consuming. 77 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,740 So that's step two, don't attack, try to understand 78 00:03:52,740 --> 00:03:54,340 what the person in MAGA believes. 79 00:03:54,340 --> 00:03:57,100 Step number three, okay, and this one, 80 00:03:57,100 --> 00:03:59,780 and they're all important, but this is one in particular. 81 00:03:59,780 --> 00:04:01,340 If you've gotten past the first two, 82 00:04:01,340 --> 00:04:04,840 this is where I find this center part right here 83 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,620 is where the conversation can continue 84 00:04:07,620 --> 00:04:09,400 or it's gonna go sideways. 85 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,140 Step number three, ask permission 86 00:04:12,140 --> 00:04:15,900 to introduce the possibility of reconciliation. 87 00:04:15,900 --> 00:04:20,300 Okay, the person you're speaking to in MAGA is not really 88 00:04:20,300 --> 00:04:23,700 expecting any of these five steps, 89 00:04:23,700 --> 00:04:27,900 but this one in particular, ask them about the possibility 90 00:04:27,900 --> 00:04:32,600 of reconciliation, ask them to think about their lives 91 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,940 and their relationships before Trump and MAGA. 92 00:04:35,940 --> 00:04:37,660 At our organization, Leaving MAGA, 93 00:04:37,660 --> 00:04:40,780 which you can learn more about us at LeavingMAGA.org, 94 00:04:40,780 --> 00:04:44,860 reconciliation is a really key core component 95 00:04:44,860 --> 00:04:47,980 of our work, it's in our mission statement. 96 00:04:47,980 --> 00:04:51,740 We see it as really a necessity as part of trying 97 00:04:51,740 --> 00:04:53,900 to find harmony with those we disagree with, 98 00:04:53,900 --> 00:04:57,220 especially those we have close knit relationships with. 99 00:04:57,220 --> 00:05:00,260 So that's step three, ask permission to introduce 100 00:05:00,260 --> 00:05:04,300 the possibility of reconciliation with family and friends. 101 00:05:05,140 --> 00:05:10,140 Step number four, don't debate facts and policy, please. 102 00:05:10,660 --> 00:05:13,140 It does not work. 103 00:05:13,140 --> 00:05:16,100 If debating facts and policy worked, 104 00:05:16,100 --> 00:05:18,400 nobody would be in MAGA. 105 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:22,700 Just like if we call others who are in MAGA cultists 106 00:05:22,700 --> 00:05:27,500 or some other insult that we can insert here, 107 00:05:27,500 --> 00:05:29,660 think about if that's had any effect. 108 00:05:29,660 --> 00:05:34,660 If speaking about those in MAGA ill, 109 00:05:34,780 --> 00:05:37,540 if that actually worked, if calling them racist 110 00:05:37,540 --> 00:05:40,700 and homophobic, et cetera, if that had an effect, 111 00:05:40,700 --> 00:05:43,060 nobody would be in MAGA because there are probably 112 00:05:43,060 --> 00:05:45,780 billions of words that have been spoken 113 00:05:45,780 --> 00:05:47,000 in pen just like that. 114 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,460 So rather than debating facts and policy, 115 00:05:50,420 --> 00:05:52,860 open up a respectful back and forth 116 00:05:52,860 --> 00:05:55,440 by asking something such as, 117 00:05:57,260 --> 00:06:00,780 dear mom, dad, sis, brother, best friend, 118 00:06:00,780 --> 00:06:05,260 maid of honor, best man at your wedding, 119 00:06:05,260 --> 00:06:07,300 whatever the relationship, whomever it is, 120 00:06:07,300 --> 00:06:10,180 I understand some of the reasons 121 00:06:10,180 --> 00:06:12,620 you wanted another Trump presidency. 122 00:06:12,620 --> 00:06:15,380 Do you understand some of the reasons 123 00:06:15,380 --> 00:06:19,340 why others didn't want another Trump presidency? 124 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,220 Let me repeat that question. 125 00:06:22,220 --> 00:06:25,840 I understand some of the reasons 126 00:06:25,840 --> 00:06:28,340 why you wanted another Trump presidency. 127 00:06:28,340 --> 00:06:30,840 Do you understand some of the reasons 128 00:06:30,840 --> 00:06:34,560 why others didn't want another Trump presidency? 129 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,900 Guaranteed, I promise you that that question 130 00:06:37,900 --> 00:06:39,160 has never been posed. 131 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:43,840 And it gets the person in MAGA also thinking about 132 00:06:43,840 --> 00:06:47,040 the fact that they don't have to dehumanize others 133 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,460 who might disagree with them as well. 134 00:06:50,620 --> 00:06:53,780 And this question just presents an idea 135 00:06:53,780 --> 00:06:58,780 that the Trump supporter has almost certainly never had. 136 00:06:58,820 --> 00:07:01,500 And it enables you to continue to gently probe 137 00:07:01,500 --> 00:07:04,960 their beliefs without being confrontational. 138 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,380 And it potentially opens doors 139 00:07:07,380 --> 00:07:09,420 that had previously been shut 140 00:07:09,420 --> 00:07:12,760 and doors that you may think have been shut permanently, 141 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,300 but you'll discover that they in fact 142 00:07:15,300 --> 00:07:18,700 may not have been shut permanently, but just temporarily. 143 00:07:18,700 --> 00:07:20,540 And then the fifth step here, 144 00:07:20,540 --> 00:07:22,520 last but not least in all of this, 145 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:26,040 is after you feel you've made some progress, 146 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:30,140 which is gonna probably take more than just one conversation, 147 00:07:32,540 --> 00:07:36,540 ask permission, ask consent to introduce them 148 00:07:36,540 --> 00:07:38,300 to the work of leaving MAGA. 149 00:07:38,300 --> 00:07:42,140 Ask them if they're willing to watch the many videos 150 00:07:42,140 --> 00:07:46,660 that we have contributed here to the Midas Touch Network 151 00:07:46,660 --> 00:07:50,180 about others who left, about friends and family 152 00:07:50,180 --> 00:07:53,500 who are just trying to get back their relationships 153 00:07:53,500 --> 00:07:55,820 that existed before 2015, 16, 154 00:07:55,820 --> 00:07:57,720 before Trump and the MAGA movement. 155 00:07:58,620 --> 00:08:01,120 You might feel that the MAGA American your life 156 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:06,120 is a racist or homophobic or unpatriotic, 157 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:09,580 is a fake American, is a fake patriot. 158 00:08:10,820 --> 00:08:13,220 But saying these remarks, 159 00:08:13,220 --> 00:08:15,540 it's not gonna compel them to leave MAGA. 160 00:08:15,540 --> 00:08:19,660 So we've gotta think about from an activist perspective, 161 00:08:19,660 --> 00:08:21,940 I think that for those of you who are watching, 162 00:08:21,940 --> 00:08:25,840 we're gonna broadly, there's a broad consensus 163 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:26,900 on what the goal is. 164 00:08:26,900 --> 00:08:29,620 Yes, we want people to leave MAGA. 165 00:08:29,620 --> 00:08:30,980 Okay, great. 166 00:08:30,980 --> 00:08:33,060 Big consensus on that. 167 00:08:33,060 --> 00:08:35,740 I would say even one of unanimity. 168 00:08:35,740 --> 00:08:38,740 But we have to think about the process and the methodology. 169 00:08:38,740 --> 00:08:43,140 If the methodology is to alienate those in MAGA, 170 00:08:43,140 --> 00:08:46,160 then all we're doing is self-sabotaging our efforts. 171 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,540 So making these statements about racist, 172 00:08:48,540 --> 00:08:50,780 homophobic, misogynistic, 173 00:08:50,780 --> 00:08:53,460 it's just gonna strengthen the already strong bond 174 00:08:53,460 --> 00:08:55,500 that they have with Trump. 175 00:08:55,500 --> 00:08:57,020 And the reason for that devotion 176 00:08:57,020 --> 00:09:00,340 is Trump is the leader of the MAGA community. 177 00:09:00,340 --> 00:09:02,280 So the way to start creating doubt, 178 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:06,760 which is the necessary precursor to becoming empowered 179 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,120 to leave MAGA is you've gotta do it 180 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:12,080 through empathy and education. 181 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:16,360 When I started to have my doubts in the summer of 2021, 182 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:20,040 I sought out new sources of information. 183 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:23,360 I asked, I said earlier, where did you hear that? 184 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,440 I started to ask myself, why do I believe what I believe? 185 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:30,060 Where did I hear what it is that I think and I believe? 186 00:09:30,060 --> 00:09:32,280 So the way to start creating that doubt, 187 00:09:33,380 --> 00:09:35,600 which needs to happen, 188 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,760 and everyone is gonna move at a different pace 189 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,540 is through empathy and education. 190 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:45,120 So deploy these five steps. 191 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:49,880 I cannot guarantee success, but I can guarantee failure. 192 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:51,800 The way that people have been speaking 193 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,080 to their friends and family in MAGA, 194 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,040 whether you wanna call it resistance 195 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:59,180 or whatever outreach it is, it hasn't succeeded. 196 00:09:59,180 --> 00:10:01,560 This strategy that we're offering you today, 197 00:10:01,560 --> 00:10:04,280 it can have success, it has had success. 198 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:05,400 Hey guys, if you liked this video, 199 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,060 make sure you 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