1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,000 I'm Michael, I left MAGA. 2 00:00:02,100 --> 00:00:04,100 Hey guys, Rich Comitia here with Leaving MAGA 3 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:07,140 at LeavingMAGA.org for the Midas Touch Network. 4 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:10,340 We got a brand new testimonial for you today 5 00:00:10,940 --> 00:00:14,380 of a brave and courageous man who left MAGA. 6 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:15,780 I wanna bring him in. 7 00:00:16,980 --> 00:00:18,580 His name is Michael Serback. 8 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:21,320 He's from the great state of Ohio. 9 00:00:21,420 --> 00:00:23,820 Michael, I wanna first welcome you to the show. 10 00:00:24,460 --> 00:00:27,820 And I wanna thank you for not just being with us, 11 00:00:27,820 --> 00:00:31,300 but also for taking the initiative and reaching out to us 12 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:32,760 about wanting to tell your story. 13 00:00:32,860 --> 00:00:34,960 So let's just get right into this. 14 00:00:35,060 --> 00:00:36,300 So what I wanna... 15 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,700 Take us to, at the point in your life 16 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,380 when Trump comes on the scene, 17 00:00:44,140 --> 00:00:45,640 the MAGA movement starts. 18 00:00:45,740 --> 00:00:49,120 What made you gravitate to that community? 19 00:00:49,220 --> 00:00:52,180 Take us at that time and the specifics 20 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,180 of what attracted you to the MAGA movement. 21 00:00:55,180 --> 00:00:58,020 I think first, it was... 22 00:00:58,120 --> 00:00:59,720 I knew of Trump. 23 00:00:59,820 --> 00:01:01,960 I used to watch a lot of WWE 24 00:01:02,060 --> 00:01:05,700 and he was in a few of those events. 25 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:06,800 I don't know. 26 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:09,760 I thought he was interesting. 27 00:01:09,860 --> 00:01:12,840 I thought he was like very charismatic. 28 00:01:13,740 --> 00:01:14,740 I... 29 00:01:16,780 --> 00:01:19,680 But aside from that, I think one of the things 30 00:01:19,780 --> 00:01:23,020 was I was hearing a lot about like when ISIS was... 31 00:01:23,020 --> 00:01:24,280 in charge of... 32 00:01:24,380 --> 00:01:28,280 They were taking over land in the Middle East. 33 00:01:28,380 --> 00:01:30,460 And I was listening to... 34 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:33,860 I was listening to guys like Ben Shapiro, 35 00:01:33,960 --> 00:01:37,460 Fox News were saying that they're gonna... 36 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:42,540 They could come here and act real law in America. 37 00:01:43,140 --> 00:01:45,300 That was one of the things I was scared of. 38 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,040 And I thought Trump was the only one 39 00:01:48,140 --> 00:01:49,680 that would be willing to... 40 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:53,040 do something about that. I think he did the Muslim ban, 41 00:01:53,780 --> 00:01:55,220 if I'm not mistaken. 42 00:01:57,820 --> 00:01:58,820 Yeah, I was... 43 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:02,560 fearful of a lot of the things that they would say 44 00:02:02,660 --> 00:02:05,760 on the right wing media bubble like the Fox, 45 00:02:05,860 --> 00:02:07,460 Ben Shapiro's, the... 46 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:09,560 All of that. 47 00:02:11,860 --> 00:02:15,240 And I just thought he was a strong leader, 48 00:02:15,340 --> 00:02:16,540 a good businessman, 49 00:02:16,540 --> 00:02:20,640 I thought he could fix our country, the economy. 50 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,340 I don't know, there was just a lot of fear drawn up 51 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:25,740 by the right wing media bubble. 52 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,980 And I just kind of got caught up into it. 53 00:02:30,620 --> 00:02:34,320 Yeah, thank you for your candor in that 54 00:02:34,420 --> 00:02:37,020 because the same happened to me. 55 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:38,620 And this is a... 56 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:40,820 This is really... 57 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:43,560 a running start. 58 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:48,100 This is really a running theme throughout 59 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:49,640 our Leaving MAGA videos, 60 00:02:49,740 --> 00:02:52,280 which everyone can find at Minus Touch Network 61 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,200 and at our site, LeavingMAGA.org, 62 00:02:55,300 --> 00:03:00,520 is that the MAGA and GOP friendly media... 63 00:03:02,020 --> 00:03:05,080 is omnipresent in these testimonials 64 00:03:05,180 --> 00:03:06,780 such as the one that you're given now, 65 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,620 your story about how influential they are, 66 00:03:09,620 --> 00:03:13,620 and how they prey upon our natural desires 67 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:15,860 and instincts of survivalism 68 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,220 and wanting to be safe and secure in our own country. 69 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:20,800 Now, after... 70 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,760 after 2016, Trump wins, 71 00:03:25,700 --> 00:03:29,340 we're validated as MAGA Americans. 72 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:33,340 Take us through what life was like for you 73 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,080 after Trump is elected. 74 00:03:36,740 --> 00:03:39,020 At the time, I was pretty happy about it. 75 00:03:39,020 --> 00:03:41,020 That's one of the things me and my parents 76 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,080 kind of bonded over, one of the many things. 77 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,820 I felt like he did some good things. 78 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:54,940 Like, he went over to visit Kim Jong-un in North Korea. 79 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,340 I thought he may have avoided us 80 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,540 from a potential war with them. 81 00:04:01,340 --> 00:04:03,240 I thought he was given out... 82 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,740 He did the tax thing where he cut taxes. 83 00:04:07,740 --> 00:04:10,120 He did the tax thing where he cut taxes. 84 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:14,180 It's hard to think back 85 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:17,160 because my mindset's changed so much since then. 86 00:04:19,260 --> 00:04:23,300 I thought he was just overall better for the economy. 87 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:25,060 I thought we were doing better. 88 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:28,860 All the way up until about COVID. 89 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,180 Yeah, I felt like a sense of unity 90 00:04:34,280 --> 00:04:36,280 with people around me more so 91 00:04:36,280 --> 00:04:38,680 than I felt in my town, 92 00:04:38,780 --> 00:04:40,980 for the most part, are Trump supporters. 93 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:43,080 And... 94 00:04:45,020 --> 00:04:47,380 I don't know, I'd say that's about it. 95 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:49,220 Just to felt a sense of unity, 96 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,960 like you got the strong guy in office, 97 00:04:52,060 --> 00:04:53,760 anti-establishment. 98 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,160 That's pretty much it, I think. 99 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:06,480 I'm hearing a couple of other motifs 100 00:05:06,580 --> 00:05:08,900 that run through our videos. 101 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:10,740 You know, the first is... 102 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,740 And this was my entree into MAGA 103 00:05:14,840 --> 00:05:16,880 was a belief that the two parties were the same. 104 00:05:16,980 --> 00:05:18,880 They didn't represent most Americans. 105 00:05:18,980 --> 00:05:23,320 And here came Trump, this iconoclastic outsider. 106 00:05:23,420 --> 00:05:25,720 Yeah, he ran as a Republican, but he had no government, 107 00:05:25,820 --> 00:05:27,960 no political, no military experience. 108 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:31,000 And I thought the entire system needed to be 109 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,300 smashed and obliterated. 110 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:35,200 And I thought, okay, here's a guy 111 00:05:35,300 --> 00:05:37,840 who seems willing and able to do it. 112 00:05:37,940 --> 00:05:39,340 He doesn't need the job. 113 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:41,040 He's exactly the right person 114 00:05:41,140 --> 00:05:42,640 for this position in our history. 115 00:05:42,740 --> 00:05:47,020 And the other detail that's so important 116 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:48,840 that you're touching upon here, Michael, 117 00:05:48,940 --> 00:05:50,820 is you're talking about unity. 118 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:52,120 And there's a community. 119 00:05:52,220 --> 00:05:53,220 And your own... 120 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,660 And MAGA was a tie that... 121 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:00,100 that binded and bound your family together. 122 00:06:00,100 --> 00:06:02,500 Right? You and your folks. 123 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:04,500 So talk about that. 124 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,460 Talk about the relationship with your parents 125 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:09,840 while in MAGA, because I think that's something 126 00:06:09,940 --> 00:06:11,700 viewers really want to hear about. 127 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:15,440 Yeah, we've always had a good relationship, 128 00:06:15,540 --> 00:06:18,080 but that was just one of the other things 129 00:06:18,180 --> 00:06:21,540 that brought us together, I guess you'd say. 130 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:25,660 We, for the most part, agree on most things. 131 00:06:25,660 --> 00:06:31,020 Um... But, yeah. 132 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,760 Them, um... I don't know. 133 00:06:33,860 --> 00:06:35,960 Something we could be happy about. 134 00:06:37,460 --> 00:06:40,240 Uh... Hmm. 135 00:06:41,740 --> 00:06:43,840 What about your folks right now? 136 00:06:43,940 --> 00:06:45,480 So are they... 137 00:06:45,580 --> 00:06:51,220 Do they consider themselves still to be MAGA Trump supporters? 138 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,420 Definitely, yeah. 139 00:06:53,420 --> 00:06:56,380 Okay, so you broke away, 140 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:58,360 which we're gonna talk about in a moment. 141 00:06:58,460 --> 00:06:59,380 Okay. 142 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:04,460 So what's that dynamic like with you and your folks? 143 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,000 Do they know that you left? 144 00:07:07,100 --> 00:07:10,860 And if so, when you told them, what was their reaction? 145 00:07:11,740 --> 00:07:13,700 Yeah, I left... 146 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:18,100 I told them I left around the beginning of this year. 147 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,240 One of the main reasons was... 148 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:24,440 I'm dating a girl from the Philippines, right? 149 00:07:24,540 --> 00:07:29,120 And I'm trying to bring her over here sometime this year. 150 00:07:30,180 --> 00:07:35,020 And it seemed like with every single one of Trump's rallies 151 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,460 leading up to the election, 152 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:43,360 it was nonstop talk about how immigrants are rapists, murderers. 153 00:07:43,460 --> 00:07:46,740 They're gonna poison the blood of our country. 154 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,200 Like, stuff that... 155 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,300 I'm a history guy. 156 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,540 I've heard of, like, Hitler saying those kind of things 157 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:56,880 back in the Nazi Germany days. 158 00:07:56,980 --> 00:07:58,180 And the way you... 159 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,620 I feel the way you talk as a leader really matters. 160 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,960 At some point, it's not just words, 161 00:08:06,060 --> 00:08:08,560 and it affects people's lives. 162 00:08:08,660 --> 00:08:10,620 And it's... 163 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:15,200 The immigration process is already really hard as it is, 164 00:08:15,300 --> 00:08:17,460 and it takes a long time. 165 00:08:17,460 --> 00:08:20,960 And if they're drumming up fear about immigrants, 166 00:08:21,060 --> 00:08:24,040 I feel like it's gonna make it almost impossible 167 00:08:24,140 --> 00:08:26,400 for me to bring her over here. 168 00:08:28,180 --> 00:08:29,480 And... 169 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:33,020 Yeah, I'm really concerned about that. 170 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:38,620 Do you think you'd be willing to show your folks this video? 171 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,120 I'm wondering what they're gonna... 172 00:08:41,220 --> 00:08:43,220 I'm just wondering what they're gonna say 173 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:44,820 when you say, hey, Mom, hey, Dad, 174 00:08:44,820 --> 00:08:47,460 I want to show you this testimonial I offered 175 00:08:47,560 --> 00:08:48,820 and show them at our... 176 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:52,000 Which, your testimonial in a written form 177 00:08:52,100 --> 00:08:54,540 is at our site, LeavingMaggot.org. 178 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:55,740 And I actually want to read... 179 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:59,100 I want to read a little excerpt from that. 180 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,280 From the... And again, this is your written testimonial. 181 00:09:01,380 --> 00:09:03,740 You can get it at our site, LeavingMaggot.org. 182 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:05,280 Let me read this here. 183 00:09:05,380 --> 00:09:08,420 You wrote, I did vote for Trump in 2020. 184 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,180 I didn't believe his claims that the election was stolen. 185 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:13,820 I didn't see any evidence of that. 186 00:09:13,820 --> 00:09:16,320 When the January 6th attack on the Capitol happened, 187 00:09:16,420 --> 00:09:18,060 I wasn't sure what to believe. 188 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:20,160 Trump was saying he didn't mean for the mob 189 00:09:20,260 --> 00:09:23,460 to do what it did, although it seemed as if he had egged them on 190 00:09:23,560 --> 00:09:25,400 and didn't try to stop the riot. 191 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:27,960 In the end, I was just hoping the craziness 192 00:09:28,060 --> 00:09:29,840 would allow Trump to stay in office. 193 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,800 I still lived in the right-wing echo chamber, 194 00:09:32,900 --> 00:09:36,000 so I was still loyal to MAGA. 195 00:09:36,500 --> 00:09:37,500 Yeah. 196 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,720 So there's... Here's what I'm hearing there. 197 00:09:39,820 --> 00:09:41,640 And in our conversations we've had, 198 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,880 that sounds around the time. 199 00:09:44,980 --> 00:09:47,880 Even though you were still, as you say, a loyalist to MAGA, 200 00:09:48,580 --> 00:09:51,460 what I hear in that period of your life 201 00:09:51,560 --> 00:09:53,860 is when your doubts started to commence. 202 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,560 When the uncertainty crept in, 203 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:01,440 take us through your mental and emotional state, 204 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:05,600 how you were feeling, how you were contending with, 205 00:10:06,380 --> 00:10:09,200 a little bit of a struggle about whether you felt like 206 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:12,260 the MAGA movement reflected who you were and your values. 207 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:14,340 So take us through that, 208 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:18,400 how just some of the sentiments that you were feeling at the time. 209 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:20,640 Yeah. Well... 210 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:23,740 It started, like... 211 00:10:24,140 --> 00:10:28,040 Well, really is when I left the right-wing media bubble 212 00:10:28,140 --> 00:10:32,260 and started looking at independent journalists. 213 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:37,620 Like, I'd noticed a lot of the things that they were saying 214 00:10:37,620 --> 00:10:42,100 were lies, like, and they would provide video proof 215 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:43,700 of them saying it. 216 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,800 And I thought the independent media 217 00:10:47,900 --> 00:10:49,240 made a lot more sense to me. 218 00:10:49,340 --> 00:10:52,340 I felt like I was being lied to all this time 219 00:10:53,540 --> 00:10:56,880 about pretty much everything. 220 00:10:57,980 --> 00:11:00,480 About immigrants, about... 221 00:11:01,580 --> 00:11:04,980 A lot of the things Trump said about the pandemic. 222 00:11:04,980 --> 00:11:05,980 About... 223 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:11,580 Just a lot of things. 224 00:11:11,680 --> 00:11:13,080 About pretty much everything? 225 00:11:13,180 --> 00:11:14,180 Yeah. 226 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:17,480 Fair to say, right? Because in my case, 227 00:11:17,580 --> 00:11:21,960 when I started to question my beliefs, 228 00:11:23,020 --> 00:11:26,320 it sounds so simple, but it was profoundly life-changing 229 00:11:26,420 --> 00:11:27,420 and altering for me. 230 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:29,860 I diversified my news and information sources. 231 00:11:30,260 --> 00:11:32,740 So you did exactly the same. So as you're saying this, 232 00:11:32,740 --> 00:11:35,940 you're taking me back, Michael, into the period of my life 233 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:39,100 when I'm thinking I would look at, 234 00:11:39,700 --> 00:11:42,780 well, actually, the Democrats aren't importing brown people, 235 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,480 so they seize power permanently, 236 00:11:45,580 --> 00:11:49,880 or the liberals aren't trying to actually take my guns, 237 00:11:49,980 --> 00:11:54,320 or progressives, they're not indoctrinating our children 238 00:11:54,420 --> 00:11:57,420 in public schools into becoming transgender Marxists. 239 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:01,400 All of this sounds so absurd, but what I'm thinking 240 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:05,860 is absurd, but like you, I believed it at the time, 241 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:08,640 and then when you start to slowly move out of that right wing 242 00:12:08,740 --> 00:12:12,780 media and information bubble, you start to see, 243 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,180 hmm, this isn't really what I'm... 244 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:19,520 The beliefs that shaped our life and shaped our worldview 245 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,280 weren't really accurate. 246 00:12:22,380 --> 00:12:26,360 And then, tell me about that struggle 247 00:12:26,460 --> 00:12:28,820 when you start to realize, wow, I'm... 248 00:12:28,820 --> 00:12:34,080 I'm believing something or multiple beliefs that are false. 249 00:12:34,680 --> 00:12:37,920 So what was that like for you just emotionally 250 00:12:38,020 --> 00:12:39,720 as you're going through that and coming to the... 251 00:12:39,820 --> 00:12:42,820 Having your own epiphany as it's occurring? 252 00:12:44,860 --> 00:12:47,160 Yeah, I feel like... 253 00:12:48,060 --> 00:12:49,340 They, um... 254 00:12:50,740 --> 00:12:53,400 I don't know, I feel like, yeah, like I said before, 255 00:12:53,500 --> 00:12:55,040 everything was a lie. 256 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:59,020 I have to get my information from somewhere else. 257 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:00,820 I believe that... 258 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,280 I feel like the only reason that I believe 259 00:13:03,380 --> 00:13:07,300 that the Democrats and Joe Biden were so evil 260 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:10,500 is because of where I was getting my news before. 261 00:13:11,060 --> 00:13:13,640 I thought they were trying to tear apart our country, 262 00:13:13,740 --> 00:13:17,700 but there was actually some things 263 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:19,700 that I liked about Biden, 264 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,280 like the Inflation Reduction Act. 265 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:25,240 I liked how he brought a sense of decency. 266 00:13:25,340 --> 00:13:27,920 Every American was treated the same 267 00:13:28,020 --> 00:13:31,060 regardless of race, creed or gender. 268 00:13:32,660 --> 00:13:34,780 Everybody can be respected. 269 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:38,800 I just don't feel that in the MAGA community anymore. 270 00:13:38,900 --> 00:13:41,100 If you leave, you're an outsider, 271 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,000 you get treated differently, 272 00:13:43,100 --> 00:13:45,740 you get a different level of respect. 273 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:49,800 And I think that's the only reason 274 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,580 that I'm still a part of that act. 275 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:55,080 And... 276 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,720 that's basically the gist of it. 277 00:13:59,820 --> 00:14:01,880 Yeah, that is really so true. 278 00:14:01,980 --> 00:14:05,360 It's why there were many times privately 279 00:14:05,460 --> 00:14:07,960 that I censured Trump along with others, 280 00:14:08,060 --> 00:14:09,860 my fellow MAGA compatriots. 281 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:11,720 We criticized Trump numerous times, 282 00:14:11,820 --> 00:14:15,840 Charlottesville, COVID, but publicly, never. 283 00:14:15,940 --> 00:14:18,040 Because if you did it, you're... 284 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:19,800 You're basically a child. 285 00:14:19,900 --> 00:14:24,580 You're basically a MAGA apostate and a heretic. 286 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:28,140 And it's why I say it really shows 287 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:30,640 just how intrepid a person you are, 288 00:14:30,740 --> 00:14:33,620 just like all of those who have told their stories, 289 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:35,880 as well as friends and family we featured 290 00:14:35,980 --> 00:14:38,760 of those who are still in the thrall of MAGA. 291 00:14:38,860 --> 00:14:41,460 Walking away is really hard 292 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:43,360 because you're leaving a community. 293 00:14:43,460 --> 00:14:45,560 Again, you've talked about today, 294 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:48,360 but it's not the only existence that all of us... 295 00:14:48,460 --> 00:14:50,540 It's not that we want it, we need it. 296 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,340 So let me ask this as we wrap up here. 297 00:14:54,340 --> 00:14:58,080 Why do you feel compelled to tell this story? 298 00:14:58,180 --> 00:15:01,340 What is it that you hope that the country 299 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:04,420 and our viewers will take from this 300 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:07,180 and why you felt motivated, 301 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:09,380 as you had told me privately when you reached out, 302 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:13,520 why do you feel motivated to recount this story of yours? 303 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:18,600 Yeah, I just wanted people to really... 304 00:15:18,700 --> 00:15:21,800 I want to really encourage people to get their information 305 00:15:21,900 --> 00:15:25,040 from multiple different sources 306 00:15:25,140 --> 00:15:28,700 instead of just believing one side. 307 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:32,440 I feel like most people go to the mainstream media. 308 00:15:32,540 --> 00:15:34,740 The mainstream media can be corrupted. 309 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:38,720 They're bought by billionaires, 310 00:15:38,820 --> 00:15:43,120 and their stories can be influenced by that. 311 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:45,560 I just want people to do their own research 312 00:15:45,660 --> 00:15:48,420 and try to find the facts 313 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:52,360 instead of believing every single thing you're told 314 00:15:52,460 --> 00:15:55,360 by one side. 315 00:15:55,460 --> 00:16:00,600 And I feel like Trump likes to drum up a lot of fear in people 316 00:16:00,700 --> 00:16:04,540 so he can push his lies through 317 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:08,320 and so he gets as little resistance as possible, basically. 318 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,680 I have to say, I concur with all the above, 319 00:16:11,780 --> 00:16:14,920 and I can because it was experiential for me. 320 00:16:15,020 --> 00:16:16,020 I lived it. 321 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:18,360 Michael, I just want to thank you again for being with us. 322 00:16:18,460 --> 00:16:21,720 I want to also welcome you to the Leaving MAGA 323 00:16:21,820 --> 00:16:25,000 and Midas Touch community. 324 00:16:25,100 --> 00:16:29,340 And as I always like for us to close out our videos, 325 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:31,700 I just want to again, this is Michael Surbach 326 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,480 from great state of Ohio. 327 00:16:34,580 --> 00:16:36,680 As we wrap up here, Michael, 328 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:40,840 I just want to affirm I'm rich and I left MAGA. 329 00:16:42,940 --> 00:16:45,680 I'm Michael. I left MAGA. 330 00:16:45,780 --> 00:16:47,280 Thanks so much, Michael. 331 00:16:47,380 --> 00:16:49,560 Really appreciate you being with us. 332 00:16:49,560 --> 00:17:18,280 Thank you. 333 00:17:19,580 --> 00:17:22,180 Continue the conversation by following us on Instagram, 334 00:17:22,180 --> 00:17:50,100 at Midas Touch, and help us blow past 500,000 followers.