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Welcome back to another episode of Dark Florida.

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at Dark Florida 411. Today's episode is a really

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special one. I had the chance to sit down with

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Natalie Smearman of Relic Films. She's someone

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who's had her own powerful and personal experiences

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with Bigfoot, the supernatural, and the unexplained.

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We talk about everything from cryptids to orbs.

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the Hat Man, and the kind of encounters that

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shift how you see the world. What really stood

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out to me, though, is how Natalie brings a deep

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sense of purpose to her work and how refreshing

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and inspiring it is to see another strong woman

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exploring these fringe spaces so fearlessly.

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We also talk about The Vanish, which is Relic

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Films' upcoming documentary that she is involved

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in. And let me say, this is one to watch for.

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So grab your flashlight and your open mind. We're

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going in. Thank you so much, bro. From what I

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understand is you got involved in Bigfoot. You

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went to your first conference in 2024. Yeah,

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yeah. 2024 in Ocala, Florida. And that was my

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very first dive into really hands -on Bigfoot

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investigating more of an interview process. And

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then I dove into the more intricate pieces later

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on. So I have been interested in Bigfoot and

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that piece of it for about 12 years. I did a

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lot of investigating and it was with either interviews

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online, in books, and just talking amongst friends,

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but it was more of TV that did the documentaries,

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and I watched a lot, learned as much as I could

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because when I grew up in West Virginia, there

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was a lot of talk about Bigfoot, but I never

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really took it seriously. It was growing up in

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Appalachia, it was this more of... You keep your

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blinds shut at night. You don't go into the woods.

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If you hear something whistling or calling your

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name, no, you didn't. You stay out of the woods.

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So I grew up and that was very, very normal.

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And then I moved out of West Virginia. And when

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it came to Florida, I started hearing reports

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of Bigfoot activity, which up North you think,

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is that really real? And then once i dove into

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it even more i'm realizing there are reports

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all over the world not necessarily quote unquote

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big foot. What in different countries it's called

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different things and so i had to learn more about

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it on that type of person. And project management

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which i am in you dive down deeper you you uncover

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every little layer until you get to the root

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of it and you don't stop until you reach that.

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And that's the path I'm on now. And for my birthday

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last year, I gifted myself a VIP ticket to the

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Ocala conference. And I got to meet these wonderful

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speakers who I've watched on television for so

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many years. And I had an out -of -body experience,

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basically. I was just over the moon. And I ended

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up connecting with so many amazing people and

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two of which I want to call out which are Adam

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Davis and RPG. They have been just absolutely

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by my side this entire journey from that moment

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until right at this very moment. And I am so

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grateful for them for really guiding me and educating

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me because if it wasn't for Adam, I wouldn't

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be in the position I'm in right now. So it's

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been really cool. Those are two great humans,

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for sure. Yes. You're from West Virginia. And

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a fun fact about me that I don't think a lot

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of people know is I lived in West Virginia growing

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up, too. What? Where from? Yes. I was in the

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Panhandle, Hedgesville, Martinsburg area. OK.

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I was in the northern Panhandle of Weirton and

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just above Wheeling. about 30 minutes outside

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of Pittsburgh. That is such a cool fact. I lived

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there probably for seven years growing up and

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we lived on this really remote mountain. It was

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called Third Mountain. Technically the town was

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Hedgesville, but we were in no town. There was

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our closest neighbors like acres and acres away.

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Like that's third. driveway at the end of the

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cul -de -sac, but you don't see them because

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you're tucked up in the hills there. And I remember

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always being so fearful. And I look at it in

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a different way now that I know more about the

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supernatural and the weird and the paranormal.

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I remember we had these big windows. And in our

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basement, the houses are kind of built into the

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hills a little bit up there. I remember always

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being so scared at night that somebody was looking

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in at me and running upstairs and being so scared

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to get into my room and shut the door, hide under

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the covers. And I was really afraid. And I always

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had this fear that someone was watching me. And

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I've never felt like that anywhere else. It was

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strange. That's strange because I always felt

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that same way too. Like there's something or

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someone always watching you. always, no matter

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what. And it's really a creepy feeling that you

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don't get in a lot of places. Yeah, that's so

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true. And I never knew maybe much as a child,

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but I look at it a lot differently now. Yeah,

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yeah, it's very different. And whenever I go

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back home, it's this feeling of, I'm so happy

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to be there. It's just a calm. even though you

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still have that feeling like I'm being watched.

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I know I am. It balances out. Yeah. I mean, it's

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truly, it's a beautiful place, but that Appalachian

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lore is very real. Very real. Very, very real.

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And you take advantage of the beauty that's up

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there and the rolling hills and the mountains

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and the foliage, because you have all four seasons.

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And I always took advantage of it like, oh, it's

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just fall. It's just this. It's just that. Now,

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I live in Florida, central Florida, and now I

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go back home and like, oh, just to see that foliage

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or lightning bugs, the fireflies. I don't see

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that down here. I mean, you'd have to go out

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in the middle of Ocala National Forest to see

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a couple of fireflies. At most you see just a

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couple. It is the little things you take for

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granted and going back up home, back up north,

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you have a new appreciation for it. Very much,

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very much. I love West Virginia. Yes, that cool

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crisp air at night and having a bonfire and just

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in the middle of the woods and just being. That's

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a beautiful thing. I miss that. In regards to

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Bigfoot, I know that you also have a little bit

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of a paranormal background, too. But while we're

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on the vein of Bigfoot, have you had any sightings?

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I have had experiences, not a visual sighting,

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but an audio, several audio. experiences and

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one was here in Florida in the Everglades I heard

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I was camping it was the middle of the night

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and I heard in the swamp something two beings

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talking back and forth and it lasted a little

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over a minute and this was very early on in my

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investigative world and and as we all know was

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starting out you start to hear something and

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then after it's over you're like I should have

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recorded that why didn't I record that? Because

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you're so excited and overwhelmed. And then the

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other audio was also here in the Ocala National

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Forest and it was near these Indian mounds, and

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it was on a patch of land that was owned by the

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government. And as soon as we reached, because

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there was a river there, and a lot of alligators,

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and went down to the water's edge, and across

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the way was the government -owned land, and it

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was about 1 .30 in the morning, and you hear

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a knock, two whoops, and about a minute later

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was a scream, and then it went dead. dead silent

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it was almost like there are humans here watch

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out and it was like almost warning the others

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hey we've got activity watch out so i'm curious

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how would you describe the scream it was a woman's

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scream a high pitched as if a young woman was

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screaming And that was an incredible, intense

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moment because had I not really understood where

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I was and what the whoops were and what the wood

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knocks were, I would have thought there was a

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woman in trouble. And it was very human -like.

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And I knew there wasn't a woman across there

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because that's a government -owned patch of land.

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And there's a ton of alligators stopping everybody.

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from ever. You can't even swim over or even walk

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over because there's so many alligators. I think

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that's something too to highlight for anybody

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who might not be from Florida is any water here

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in Florida is going to have at least one alligator

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at minimum. And that's like at the bare minimum.

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And yeah, alligator infested waters at night

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are no bueno. And were you near the bombing range

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or was this a different? It was north of there.

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So I thought that it was very odd for there to

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be a government owned, like a postage stamp of

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land. And it's really no rhyme or reason because

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I know where the bombing range is. And we were

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a couple miles north of there. And I'm like,

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this is just odd for that to be here. And there

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was nothing visual that you could see that was

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there. And it was all heavily wooded and really

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You didn't see a road. You didn't hear anything

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other than what we heard when we first got to

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the water's edge. And then that was it. That

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reminds me of a similar encounter I had in the

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Panhandle. We were near water. We had arrived

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at a location and we knew other people were going

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to be coming down the road soon. So the guy who

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is in my group, his name is Rick Rellis and he's

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been a guest on the show and he talks a little

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bit about it in that episode. But he has this

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pop gun. And he was like, I'm going to go ahead

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and do this. So he does the pop gun and I think

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maybe he does it three times. And then all of

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a sudden, almost instantaneously, we got back

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this blood curdling and it sounded like a woman

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scream, but it was not a regular woman. It wasn't

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like me or you. It was this howl and it sounded

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feminine to me, in my opinion, maybe a female

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Squatch. I don't know. Yeah. then it set off

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the coyotes. I'm very familiar with how coyotes

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sound. It wasn't that. The rest of the night

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we had some other paranormal stuff happen. So

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when you said female, like scream, that just

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flew up a flag for me. I know what you're talking

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about. That was, it was so strange. Cause you're

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like, am I hearing this? And then you're right.

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A lot of things set, will set coyotes off and

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even, you know, if you yell at them, it'll set

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them off. That's so true. I've done that a time

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or two. You can get coyotes going. Yeah, you

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can. And they'll just keep going. And then one

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will set off the other. And that's just like

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a chain reaction. So cool. You had your two class

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Bs. Yes. Now did the chatter down in the Everglades,

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did that sound like the samurai chatter that

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you hear people sometimes describe? It was very

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odd. And it wasn't. It was like this sound of

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I'm signalling you it was more of a signal talk

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and it was going back and forth and back and

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forth and it was making the same exact sound

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but it was on two different sides and i checked

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all of the apps all of the area i talked to locals

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i'm like what makes that sound they're like there's

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nothing that makes that sound here and i'm like

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well it had to be by process of elimination something

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that you don't know and of course we're in an

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area where there's a lot of skunk ape sightings

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and this could be the only thing that it could

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be. So it was like almost like a high -pitched

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whoop with a who at the end and it was like warning

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like hey there are people here because there

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wasn't just me camping there were other people

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camping in that area and it was it went on for

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about a minute but also something that happened

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which a lot of people say you know, there's there's

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a connection with you hear an owl out of nowhere.

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And then you hear this owl and then that is what

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happened is like the back and forth, the back

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and forth. So and that owl didn't signal anything

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else. It just just that one hoot and then the

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signal back and forth. And it was almost like,

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all right, this is what's happening. There's

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people here. Don't go over there. Yeah. I really

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like that theory. I always say that I think the

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owls are involved somehow. Yeah. Because you

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hear that either they're mimicking owls or maybe

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owls are announcing their presence like spirit

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guide or something like they're working together.

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Yeah, I have heard it before and other people

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have said, yes, as soon as you hear that, I'm

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listening. And then when I witnessed it, I was

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like, oh, okay, now I get it. I get it now because

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that happened right after I heard the owl. Yeah.

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It's interesting how, like you said, the nature

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kind of plays into it, whether it be maybe the

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squatches set off coyotes or owls. or they make

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an area go dead quiet, I think that it's so important

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to listen to everything that's happening out

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in the woods because it's letting you know what's

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going on. Absolutely. And I think you need, and

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I'm a firm believer in investigating when you

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hear something. and you're not sure what it is,

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a lot of people go straight to, oh, it's Bigfoot,

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it's Sasquatch, it's Skunk Ape. You really need

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to talk to the locals if you're not familiar

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with that area. And I always ask, if I hear something

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that I'm not sure about, I always ask, what could

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it be? And to eliminate everything else and then

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make that... educated guess where you're like,

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okay, this that's the only thing it could be

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because I did have another experience in the

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Everglades and I purposely did something and

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I don't recommend this to everybody. I went camping

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by myself and I had my bear spray. I had all

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my gear and I position myself where I was absolutely

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alone now way across the way. I mean a good football

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field or two across the way was another camper.

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So I'm laying there in the middle of the night

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and I hear a loud tweet. I'm like, that's not

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normal. And then I'm laying there very still.

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And then with about two minutes later, large

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footsteps are right beside my tent. And then

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I hear what sounds like a small child, like a

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toddler trying to talk. And then it just disappeared.

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And I started asking around, I'm like, what could

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that be? And so, you know, I heard That's the

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skunk ape. That's it. It came up to you. I'm

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like, OK, I need a little bit more information.

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And somebody said, well, we're not sure what

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it is. And so finally, I was able to ask a lady

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who is a biologist in that area who knows all

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of the local wildlife. They're like, she goes,

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that's a male panther in heat. I said, so really?

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And she's like, absolutely. 100 % male panthers

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in heat, chirp, make bird noises, and make these

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odd noises. Well, I work with a gentleman. He

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is the vice president of pharmacy operations,

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but he also runs a large cat refuge just south

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of Orlando. And I texted him, I said, here's

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my experience. Could this be a large Florida

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panther? But like a male in heat, he goes, absolutely.

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He goes, my male panther does that all the time.

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He goes, you could walk up and he's chirping

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like a bird. I'm like, that is just odd. So when

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you hear something that you're not used to, always

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investigate. Investigate as far as you can to

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uncover every possible avenue. And then once

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you've exhausted that, then you can say, okay,

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it's something that's on. I just want to say

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you're so brave for camping out in the Everglades

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by yourself. The swamp, I was on a piece of land

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that was just, you know, it was dry. I could

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walk five steps to the swamp and it was right

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there. And so and then there were smaller ponds

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behind me with with gators in it. But it was

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in October and I knew that, you know. mating

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season was done, nesting season was done. They're

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kind of like, you know, you're human. Just stay

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away from me and I'll stay away from you. And

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really, that was it. That's all that happened.

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And I felt, you know, vulnerable and nervous.

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But I forced myself to be there. To see what

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could I lure in? So I don't recommend that to

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everybody by no means But I did have bear spray

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with me and a knife in the event Something were

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to happen and my phone was close by with a couple

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bars on it. So I admire your bravery I really

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do but you're right. I think that's interesting.

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I like the idea of Luring something to you. I

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like that with research as well putting yourself

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in their environment I believe that they're very

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curious creatures doing something to kind of

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bring them to you to pique their curiosity. I

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think that's genius. Yeah, because I'm like,

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you know what? You've heard of campers, you know,

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one or two people out camping and they have a

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sighting. I'm like, let's let's redo that. I'm

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going to do that. And everywhere I go, I do something

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a little different each time. I, you know, sometimes

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it, you know, I could put out a dog toy, a squeaky

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dog toy to see. if it piques their curiosity.

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So that's something new. Do you do a lot of solo

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camping? No, I do not. I normally will camp when

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there is a group of people. This one time I decided...

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I'm going to go ahead and do this as an experiment.

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I didn't mind it at all. It was very peaceful.

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I got to really be in my thoughts, in my own

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mind, and really decompress. And it was beautiful

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because you're alone. You're in nature. You're

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hearing all these beautiful sounds and the birds

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and seeing everything. And then it was just at

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night. I got creeped out a little bit. I'm not

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going to lie. But it was like one of the best

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things I've ever done. Is there any projects

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that you're working on? I am. So this weekend

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I will be in Tennessee and we are so excited

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because not only is it the Gatlinburg Conference

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I'll be working that conference and greeting

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people. I'm working with Gather Up Events on

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Friday and Saturday. But on Sunday, I'm going

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to go out. I work with Relic Films. The producer

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and owner of Relic Films is Greg Ogles. He was

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able to work with another group to get us into

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Cades Cove at night. And so we're going to be

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doing research and filming. in the Smoky Mountains

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in Cades Cove on Sunday, which I am over the

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moon about. We're gonna be just, when we go in

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and do these things, we keep an open mind. Whatever

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that we see, we're not out there looking just

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for one thing. It's whatever we come across.

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And we keep an open mind about whether it be

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paranormal orbs. Bigfoot, feral people, dog man,

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various other things that could be out there,

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we're open to. I am so excited, which is one

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of the wonderful things about volunteering for

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Gather Up events is you get to volunteer and

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you get to talk to a lot of the speakers and

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really interact with them a lot more and network

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with them. That's a phenomenal experience for

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me. But that's how you build that relationship

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and It's the Bigfoot family. I know some Tennessee

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researchers who have told me about some sightings

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and things that have occurred in there. So I

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wish you luck. I know you mentioned a few things.

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You mentioned Dogman. And that's also something

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that is very prevalent in that eastern Tennessee

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area near Gatlinburg. Absolutely. And I am excited

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because I have not really had the level of investigative

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experience with Dogman that I have with Bigfoot

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and paranormal. So I'm excited to get into that.

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Well, the thing number one you have to put in

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your pack is silver bullets. Yeah. I'm just kidding.

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I was trying to get through that with a straight

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face. Wolf dog, man. You know, right. And you

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know. There's actually a difference between the

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two. I've heard. Yeah. I've heard. Okay. So for

00:22:00.470 --> 00:22:03.109
the listeners who maybe don't know, werewolf

00:22:03.109 --> 00:22:06.910
is someone who is a human, but can transform

00:22:06.910 --> 00:22:12.089
into that werewolf form. Whereas a dog man. is

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a hybrid creature of some sort that stays in

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that dogman space all the time. It doesn't transfer

00:22:20.309 --> 00:22:23.990
back into human. It has that head and upper body,

00:22:24.170 --> 00:22:27.690
even the legs of a dog, bipedal dogman creature.

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Well, we are going in November. we're going to

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be filming another documentary and we're going

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to go to Land Between the Lakes. And so we are

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going to be rustic camping in the area where

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Dog Man has been sighted multiple times. So I'm

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excited. We're going to spend a week there. Wow.

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That's awesome. That's another place on my bucket

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list trips. I'm excited. I'm so excited. I'm

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over the moon on that one because that's a place

00:22:55.589 --> 00:22:59.630
I've wanted to go. And now with this opportunity,

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We're going to film there. So this will be your

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first time in the area. Yeah. Yeah. I look forward

00:23:06.200 --> 00:23:09.140
to hearing about that. So all of that will be

00:23:09.140 --> 00:23:12.859
a part of Relic Films. Yes. Yes. So I filmed

00:23:12.859 --> 00:23:16.660
with Relic in March and that The Vanished is

00:23:16.660 --> 00:23:18.680
the documentary and that's going to be coming

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out in January of 2026. And then we're going

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to be filming in November and that should come

00:23:24.759 --> 00:23:28.440
out the end of 2026. So it takes about a year

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to process and edit and do the interviews on

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the side, because, I mean, it's a process. It

00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:36.960
really is a lot of work and behind the scenes

00:23:36.960 --> 00:23:39.660
stuff that really goes into it. Very much so.

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There's a lot of work, a lot of behind the scenes,

00:23:42.880 --> 00:23:47.900
a lot of, you know, working on B -Real and also

00:23:47.900 --> 00:23:53.180
with the sounds and the music and the highlights.

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There's a lot. You mentioned it earlier that

00:23:56.779 --> 00:23:59.180
you do have a background in the paranormal. When

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we were talking, you said that you've had some

00:24:01.900 --> 00:24:04.319
shadow people experiences, some encounters with

00:24:04.319 --> 00:24:07.279
ghosts. Yes. Do you mind telling me a little

00:24:07.279 --> 00:24:10.380
bit about that? Absolutely. So it started when

00:24:10.380 --> 00:24:14.319
I was three and I would see my great grandmother

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who had passed away far. before I was born. And

00:24:18.250 --> 00:24:22.490
throughout my growing up, I always felt spirits

00:24:22.490 --> 00:24:25.289
around me and things would happen. And it wasn't

00:24:25.289 --> 00:24:27.170
that I was able to see them all the time, but

00:24:27.170 --> 00:24:30.789
I was able to feel them. I was able to see like

00:24:30.789 --> 00:24:34.490
a shadow passing by in my peripheral. But when

00:24:34.490 --> 00:24:37.730
I was 13 years old, I was going through a really

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difficult time in my life. And I was asleep in

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bed and I was woken up in the middle of the night

00:24:42.869 --> 00:24:45.049
and my great grandmother was standing at the

00:24:45.049 --> 00:24:48.130
foot of my bed. and she's standing there glowing,

00:24:48.650 --> 00:24:51.089
just like little bun on the top of her head,

00:24:51.230 --> 00:24:53.569
her little house dress that she wore, just cutie

00:24:53.569 --> 00:24:55.690
patootie little thing. And she's standing there

00:24:55.690 --> 00:24:57.970
with a little smile on her face, just like, it's

00:24:57.970 --> 00:25:00.549
okay. You know, I've got you, we're watching

00:25:00.549 --> 00:25:03.329
over you, which was, it made me feel at peace.

00:25:03.509 --> 00:25:05.950
And I was like, I'm like looking like, did I

00:25:05.950 --> 00:25:08.450
just see that right? And then she just faded

00:25:08.450 --> 00:25:12.599
away. And as the years progressed, I always had

00:25:12.599 --> 00:25:15.559
this feeling of presence in the home. When I

00:25:15.559 --> 00:25:19.480
moved away, I stayed with my uncle and aunt to

00:25:19.480 --> 00:25:22.759
go to do schooling. And I would be woken up in

00:25:22.759 --> 00:25:24.259
the middle of the night with somebody calling

00:25:24.259 --> 00:25:27.480
my name. And nobody was there. And it just kept

00:25:27.480 --> 00:25:30.400
progressing. So I just kind of got used to it.

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And the more I learned about spirits and people

00:25:34.460 --> 00:25:37.400
passing on, the more I learned that they are

00:25:37.400 --> 00:25:39.480
energy, that they are still with us, that they

00:25:39.480 --> 00:25:42.480
are watching over us. And a lot of times, there

00:25:42.480 --> 00:25:45.619
could be a spirit just passing through. And so

00:25:45.619 --> 00:25:49.500
when my kids were born, they started seeing spirits

00:25:49.500 --> 00:25:52.619
as well. So I taught them, because I was never

00:25:52.619 --> 00:25:55.380
taught this, you know, there are spirits, it's

00:25:55.380 --> 00:25:58.339
okay. You know, they're watching over us. They're

00:25:58.339 --> 00:26:01.019
making sure that you're okay. You know, some

00:26:01.019 --> 00:26:02.940
spirits you may not know that are just passing

00:26:02.940 --> 00:26:04.880
by that think that, you know, it's an interesting

00:26:04.880 --> 00:26:08.140
house or, you know, we like this or it's a fun

00:26:08.140 --> 00:26:10.079
environment. They want to hang out for a little

00:26:10.079 --> 00:26:11.599
bit and then they're going to move on and that's

00:26:11.599 --> 00:26:14.799
okay. You know, they respect us. We respect them.

00:26:15.019 --> 00:26:18.839
Well, when my son was in grade school, he said,

00:26:18.920 --> 00:26:23.230
Mom, there's a dark man. that watches me and

00:26:23.230 --> 00:26:26.849
he has a hat on. And I'm like, okay, what is

00:26:26.849 --> 00:26:28.829
it? He's like, he just watches me and then he

00:26:28.829 --> 00:26:31.890
just disappears. Now, I don't know for our viewers,

00:26:32.109 --> 00:26:35.930
but Hat Man is very much prevalent in the paranormal

00:26:35.930 --> 00:26:39.990
realm. And this is not a good spirit to have

00:26:39.990 --> 00:26:44.049
around. They pray and they're a dark entity.

00:26:44.390 --> 00:26:47.529
And so the one thing I have learned about the

00:26:47.529 --> 00:26:49.970
dark entities is that you need to stand your

00:26:49.970 --> 00:26:53.009
ground. You have control. That is your home,

00:26:53.309 --> 00:26:56.349
your space, your child, your family. And you

00:26:56.349 --> 00:26:59.369
set the ground rules. You set the boundaries.

00:26:59.650 --> 00:27:04.509
So I saged. I told Darkman, I called him Darkman

00:27:04.509 --> 00:27:06.809
because that's what my son called him, but he

00:27:06.809 --> 00:27:09.329
was actually Hat Man. I said, you are not welcome

00:27:09.329 --> 00:27:11.210
here. You are not to come near my son. Don't

00:27:11.210 --> 00:27:14.809
do it again. Well, months passed. Nothing. And

00:27:14.809 --> 00:27:17.579
then he showed up again. And so kept cleansing

00:27:17.579 --> 00:27:19.259
the area. I'm like, I just need to cleanse the

00:27:19.259 --> 00:27:21.319
area a bit more, you know, bring some more positive

00:27:21.319 --> 00:27:24.400
energy in. And periodically he would show up

00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:26.519
and then I'd cleanse it again. Well, one day

00:27:26.519 --> 00:27:29.579
my son came home. He goes, Mom, dark man followed

00:27:29.579 --> 00:27:32.440
me to school and he saw he was in the hallway

00:27:32.440 --> 00:27:35.700
of my school and he was watching me. Well, my

00:27:35.700 --> 00:27:39.460
son, my kids that weekend went to their dad's

00:27:39.460 --> 00:27:41.259
house to go visit. I said, you go down there,

00:27:41.319 --> 00:27:44.980
I'll take care of dark man. I went in and I had

00:27:44.980 --> 00:27:48.839
the biggest come to Jesus meeting. And I said

00:27:48.839 --> 00:27:52.920
to him, I said, I saged, I said, you ever show

00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:55.460
yourself to my children, I will personally drag

00:27:55.460 --> 00:27:58.299
you to the depths of hell and stay with you there

00:27:58.299 --> 00:28:01.299
for eternity. And he never showed up again, but

00:28:01.299 --> 00:28:03.859
you can't show fear. You can't. And I told him,

00:28:03.940 --> 00:28:05.559
I said, you don't fear him. You stay on your

00:28:05.559 --> 00:28:10.200
ground. You tell him no. He had an experience.

00:28:11.259 --> 00:28:15.400
But 2015 comes around. I had married my second

00:28:15.400 --> 00:28:19.599
husband, who I had known since, God, 1986. We

00:28:19.599 --> 00:28:21.319
were in middle school and high school together.

00:28:21.660 --> 00:28:24.460
And so we got married, moved to a house in Florida,

00:28:24.460 --> 00:28:27.680
and he was coming with all of his boxes, and

00:28:27.680 --> 00:28:30.400
I was coming with all of my boxes, and we had

00:28:30.400 --> 00:28:33.809
a three -car garage full of boxes. So one weekend

00:28:33.809 --> 00:28:36.009
we said we're gonna go through every box, just

00:28:36.009 --> 00:28:38.589
grab one, we'll unpack it no matter whose it

00:28:38.589 --> 00:28:41.990
is. Yeah, and it was an all -day event. I unpacked

00:28:41.990 --> 00:28:44.089
a box, which was his, not a big deal, and I opened

00:28:44.089 --> 00:28:46.609
up, there was another box in there, and I opened

00:28:46.609 --> 00:28:49.529
it up. And I took it out, it was like this, like

00:28:49.529 --> 00:28:53.069
a plastic bracelet, kind of, and I thought one

00:28:53.069 --> 00:28:55.930
of his kids made this. I was like, oh. I'm like

00:28:55.930 --> 00:28:58.490
look how cute this is I said which you know he

00:28:58.490 --> 00:29:00.509
had three kids I said which one made this for

00:29:00.509 --> 00:29:03.089
you he goes oh no he goes that's a souvenir off

00:29:03.089 --> 00:29:05.970
my first kill he was in the army for 20 years

00:29:05.970 --> 00:29:08.789
and he was a retired green beret he saw a lot

00:29:08.789 --> 00:29:11.369
of combat and a lot of battle and he goes it's

00:29:11.369 --> 00:29:13.789
tradition to take a souvenir off your first kill

00:29:13.789 --> 00:29:16.890
and keep it I said you brought this into my house

00:29:16.890 --> 00:29:19.950
I said did you have a ceremony did you sage it

00:29:19.950 --> 00:29:22.579
is there an entity attached to it I'm like, what

00:29:22.579 --> 00:29:25.819
is going on? He goes, no, you're crazy. Nothing.

00:29:25.880 --> 00:29:28.579
I'm like, I don't want this in my house. He goes,

00:29:28.660 --> 00:29:30.299
I'll box it up and I'll put it away. I said,

00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:33.059
I don't want this in my house. I said, bury it,

00:29:33.099 --> 00:29:35.200
have a ceremony, do whatever. No, you're crazy.

00:29:35.259 --> 00:29:38.759
I'm like, so I let it go. We unpacked boxes,

00:29:38.920 --> 00:29:41.559
put everything away. Well, about three months

00:29:41.559 --> 00:29:45.059
later, I saw a shadow figure peeking around the

00:29:45.059 --> 00:29:47.500
corner. And I told him, I said, there's a shadow

00:29:47.500 --> 00:29:49.240
figure. He's like, oh, you're seeing things.

00:29:50.279 --> 00:29:52.359
Well, one day, I'm taking a shower, I'm getting

00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:55.460
ready to take a shower, and I hear a knock on

00:29:55.460 --> 00:29:58.859
the door to the laundry room. And I'm like, that,

00:29:59.119 --> 00:30:01.359
nobody can get in there. So I'm thinking to myself,

00:30:01.500 --> 00:30:05.140
maybe I left my garage door open, maybe my neighbor's

00:30:05.140 --> 00:30:06.839
knocking on the door, just saying, hey, your

00:30:06.839 --> 00:30:09.039
garage door's open. Nothing was there, and my

00:30:09.039 --> 00:30:12.579
garage door was closed. So this went on with

00:30:12.579 --> 00:30:15.819
a little shadow figure, not big, little, peeking

00:30:15.819 --> 00:30:19.019
around the corner. And it happened right in the

00:30:19.019 --> 00:30:22.619
house near the opening to the garage. So the

00:30:22.619 --> 00:30:25.240
laundry room, the master bedroom, the master

00:30:25.240 --> 00:30:28.119
bathroom, master closet, including our guest

00:30:28.119 --> 00:30:31.299
bathroom, were all right there. Well, this shadow,

00:30:31.440 --> 00:30:34.259
I called him Shadow Dude, kept peeking around

00:30:34.259 --> 00:30:38.220
the corner. So I had a meeting with him. I saged,

00:30:38.380 --> 00:30:40.799
I said, listen, I don't want you here. I know

00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:42.960
you don't want to be here. I think I know why

00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:45.619
you're here. So here are the rules of the house.

00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:49.019
And I had a list of rules. And I said, you are

00:30:49.019 --> 00:30:52.400
to follow these rules. We can live harmoniously

00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:54.359
together. Even though I don't want you here and

00:30:54.359 --> 00:30:56.440
you don't want to be here, we can live together.

00:30:56.660 --> 00:30:59.500
But we have to show each other respect. Everything

00:30:59.500 --> 00:31:02.920
was fine for quite a few years. He would peek

00:31:02.920 --> 00:31:05.859
around. I would acknowledge him. He would be

00:31:05.859 --> 00:31:07.920
fine. It was just like these little things. He

00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:10.880
would just peek and fine. Peek and fine. Well,

00:31:11.079 --> 00:31:15.150
the marriage started to go bad. Shadow Dude started

00:31:15.150 --> 00:31:17.829
showing himself a whole lot more. I woke up in

00:31:17.829 --> 00:31:19.630
the middle of the night, Shadow Dude was standing

00:31:19.630 --> 00:31:23.009
over me, watching me sleep. I screamed, like,

00:31:23.210 --> 00:31:26.430
that can happen. So the next day I told Shadow

00:31:26.430 --> 00:31:28.490
Dude, I'm like, you just crossed the line. You

00:31:28.490 --> 00:31:31.789
broke a rule. Don't ever do it again. Well, as

00:31:31.789 --> 00:31:34.589
I noticed, Shadow Dude started to grow a little

00:31:34.589 --> 00:31:37.369
bit more. He got a little bit bigger because

00:31:37.369 --> 00:31:39.890
of the turmoil that was happening in the house.

00:31:40.009 --> 00:31:42.710
He was feeding off that negative energy. And

00:31:42.710 --> 00:31:46.049
so when the marriage went really, really bad,

00:31:46.150 --> 00:31:49.690
I moved upstairs, and my soon -to -be ex was

00:31:49.690 --> 00:31:52.230
still downstairs in the master bedroom. I moved

00:31:52.230 --> 00:31:54.930
upstairs. Well, nothing happened upstairs, ever.

00:31:55.210 --> 00:31:57.529
Everything, the air was light, everything, the

00:31:57.529 --> 00:32:00.069
mood was good, everything. The moment you went

00:32:00.069 --> 00:32:03.390
downstairs in that area, you felt the air just

00:32:03.390 --> 00:32:06.589
being heavy. And like, there was like a negative

00:32:06.589 --> 00:32:10.440
presence there. And so one night, my son was

00:32:10.440 --> 00:32:12.980
downstairs. He went into the guest bathroom to

00:32:12.980 --> 00:32:15.119
use the bathroom. He walked out, turned out the

00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:16.519
light. And it was very dark because it was night.

00:32:16.640 --> 00:32:19.740
And something from the master bedroom growled

00:32:19.740 --> 00:32:22.619
at him. And he came upstairs. He goes, Mom, something

00:32:22.619 --> 00:32:24.619
growled at me from the master bedroom. Like,

00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:28.500
here we go. He crossed the line again. So went

00:32:28.500 --> 00:32:31.259
in, had the biggest come to Jesus, very similar

00:32:31.259 --> 00:32:34.099
to Hat Man. I was like, I will drag you to the

00:32:34.099 --> 00:32:37.789
depths of hell for eternity if you ever. go near

00:32:37.789 --> 00:32:41.049
my children or me again. So, fast forward a couple

00:32:41.049 --> 00:32:43.789
months, it's now Thanksgiving, my kids and I

00:32:43.789 --> 00:32:46.150
went away on a cruise, we were gone for a week,

00:32:46.509 --> 00:32:49.289
we get back, during the day, come inside, the

00:32:49.289 --> 00:32:51.869
kids go inside the house first, I come in with

00:32:51.869 --> 00:32:54.509
a couple things, I walk in, I look in the master

00:32:54.509 --> 00:32:57.150
bedroom, and Shadow Man, Shadow Dude is standing

00:32:57.150 --> 00:32:59.750
there, looking at me. And I said, is this how

00:32:59.750 --> 00:33:02.910
we're gonna start this off? And he ran, he just

00:33:02.910 --> 00:33:06.319
disappeared. And then right after that, my ex

00:33:06.319 --> 00:33:09.319
took all of his belongings, put it in storage

00:33:09.319 --> 00:33:11.839
and never saw Shadow Dude again. And then he

00:33:11.839 --> 00:33:14.599
moved out and then it was gone. That air lifted,

00:33:14.920 --> 00:33:18.099
no more negative energy. Nothing came with us

00:33:18.099 --> 00:33:21.440
to our town home that we're in now. And everything

00:33:21.440 --> 00:33:24.000
has been good. Wow. So it was definitely something

00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:27.000
connected to either, well, probably to him and

00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:29.599
that bracelet. Yeah. Because, I mean, you can

00:33:29.599 --> 00:33:32.920
imagine, here's someone fighting for their country

00:33:32.920 --> 00:33:36.460
who's clearly not educated. They are like living

00:33:36.460 --> 00:33:40.480
off the land, brutally killed in combat and having

00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:43.420
something that meant something to them ripped

00:33:43.420 --> 00:33:47.099
off their body and taken by what they perceived

00:33:47.099 --> 00:33:50.759
as the enemy and held as a souvenir. So I'm sure

00:33:50.759 --> 00:33:53.700
that there was an emotional attachment there

00:33:53.700 --> 00:33:57.319
that was created from being brutally killed.

00:33:57.539 --> 00:34:01.200
And so I can just imagine. Regardless, I mean,

00:34:01.259 --> 00:34:03.660
I fully support our military and everything that

00:34:03.660 --> 00:34:07.200
they do. And I thank them for all of their service

00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:10.500
and sacrifice. And this entity that was with

00:34:10.500 --> 00:34:14.179
him, it was just, it was so bad. So I tell people,

00:34:14.199 --> 00:34:16.559
you know, have a ceremony, don't keep it in your

00:34:16.559 --> 00:34:18.739
house, whatever it is. If you want to have a

00:34:18.739 --> 00:34:21.280
souvenir, make sure that you have that cleansed

00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:23.559
completely. Situations like that are haunted

00:34:23.559 --> 00:34:26.460
locations or places of high strangeness, taking

00:34:26.460 --> 00:34:28.679
something and bringing it into your home. you

00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:31.059
don't know what other entities could potentially

00:34:31.059 --> 00:34:33.739
be attached to it. You hear that a lot sometimes

00:34:33.739 --> 00:34:37.059
with antiques too. I had someone who came on

00:34:37.059 --> 00:34:40.159
and their house was fine and they were an antique

00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:43.460
dealer and then started having shadow people

00:34:43.460 --> 00:34:47.039
after bringing in some of these antiques and

00:34:47.039 --> 00:34:49.880
now they have a company. Yeah, I mean, there's

00:34:49.880 --> 00:34:52.199
attachments. And I mean, they're like, that meant

00:34:52.199 --> 00:34:55.000
something. You know, that was valuable to me.

00:34:55.139 --> 00:34:57.320
And now it's here and I want to stay with it

00:34:57.320 --> 00:35:00.260
for whatever reason, unknown reason. But it's

00:35:00.260 --> 00:35:03.400
just, it was, it was a very, I've had decades

00:35:03.400 --> 00:35:07.239
of experience with the paranormal. And when we

00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:10.579
were filming in the Smoky Mountains for The Vanished,

00:35:10.840 --> 00:35:12.880
we had a ton of paranormal activity happening

00:35:12.880 --> 00:35:15.699
during the day and at night. disembodied voices,

00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:19.639
orbs. We had a lot of, like, I'm standing, we

00:35:19.639 --> 00:35:22.000
were doing a night investigation, and it was,

00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:24.340
I mean, dead at night, and we're kind of, we're

00:35:24.340 --> 00:35:26.699
spaced out enough. I mean, we know each other's

00:35:26.699 --> 00:35:28.659
there, we can kind of see each other's outline,

00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:31.239
but I thought my producer was right behind me

00:35:31.239 --> 00:35:33.280
talking to me, like, right behind my head, like,

00:35:33.440 --> 00:35:35.400
and I couldn't hear what he was saying, and I

00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:37.260
turned around, and nobody was there, and he was

00:35:37.260 --> 00:35:40.360
down the way. And there is just, you know, different

00:35:40.360 --> 00:35:43.570
things that happen, and you just have to... respect

00:35:43.570 --> 00:35:45.989
their space and, you know, make sure that you're

00:35:45.989 --> 00:35:48.130
completely cleansed and going in there with a

00:35:48.130 --> 00:35:52.110
good frame of mind. And so we have investigated

00:35:52.110 --> 00:35:55.409
abandoned churches and have received responses

00:35:55.409 --> 00:35:59.510
because I did a recording and I was asking questions,

00:35:59.510 --> 00:36:02.570
you know, and I got this feeling like I think

00:36:02.570 --> 00:36:04.650
they're upset about something. And I had this

00:36:04.650 --> 00:36:06.389
feeling this is what they're upset about. And

00:36:06.389 --> 00:36:09.449
when I asked that question, I got a response.

00:36:09.530 --> 00:36:11.349
I was like, that's what they're upset about.

00:36:11.500 --> 00:36:13.860
And there's always a reason. There's always a

00:36:13.860 --> 00:36:15.659
reason. When you guys are going out, you kind

00:36:15.659 --> 00:36:18.679
of go out with an open mind. Okay, this is a

00:36:18.679 --> 00:36:21.380
Bigfoot activity or there could be this other

00:36:21.380 --> 00:36:23.579
stuff and you go where it takes you because so

00:36:23.579 --> 00:36:26.300
often it seems like these worlds overlap with

00:36:26.300 --> 00:36:28.659
each other or maybe they're part of the same

00:36:28.659 --> 00:36:31.980
world and we're just experiencing multiple different

00:36:31.980 --> 00:36:34.480
phenomenas at the same time. But it is interesting

00:36:34.480 --> 00:36:38.780
how the paranormal tends to bleed in with Bigfoot.

00:36:38.860 --> 00:36:43.579
Very much so. orbs that we saw. I mean we were

00:36:43.579 --> 00:36:47.059
seeing them every time we went out which is very

00:36:47.059 --> 00:36:49.820
unusual. You don't see orbs all the time and

00:36:49.820 --> 00:36:52.840
we were and we were going in spaces and being

00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:55.219
very respectful and before we went in we had

00:36:55.219 --> 00:36:56.980
this frame of mind either we were meditating

00:36:56.980 --> 00:37:00.420
or praying or just being very respectful like

00:37:00.420 --> 00:37:02.460
we're coming in very respectfully we respect

00:37:02.460 --> 00:37:05.440
your space whether they felt that that was it

00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:08.539
was safe they wanted to see us we were doing

00:37:08.539 --> 00:37:11.539
experiments like you know, what would bring them

00:37:11.539 --> 00:37:14.739
in closer. And positive energy is what brought

00:37:14.739 --> 00:37:17.360
them in closer. Laughing, you know, dancing,

00:37:17.579 --> 00:37:19.900
singing, it brought them in. So it was really

00:37:19.900 --> 00:37:23.139
a cool kind of experiment that we did. Could

00:37:23.139 --> 00:37:25.500
you describe the orbs? What color and how big

00:37:25.500 --> 00:37:29.099
were they? So they weren't huge. Like we saw

00:37:29.099 --> 00:37:31.960
one large one. when we were out investigating,

00:37:32.059 --> 00:37:35.019
but the rest of them were pretty small and they

00:37:35.019 --> 00:37:37.940
had different colors. So the temperature, just

00:37:37.940 --> 00:37:40.380
to let you know, this was in March in the Smoky

00:37:40.380 --> 00:37:42.920
Mountains. It would get down to like 30, 40 degrees.

00:37:43.019 --> 00:37:45.360
So there were no bugs flying around. There were

00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:47.679
no fireflies. There was no nothing. We would

00:37:47.679 --> 00:37:51.280
go out and we would see a little red orb, an

00:37:51.280 --> 00:37:54.920
orange orb. They would be green and blue and

00:37:54.920 --> 00:37:58.099
sometimes silver. and they would just and then

00:37:58.099 --> 00:37:59.579
they would like and then they would back off

00:37:59.579 --> 00:38:02.519
and then they show up somewhere else. So I had

00:38:02.519 --> 00:38:05.980
an orb like I couldn't figure out what it was

00:38:05.980 --> 00:38:08.820
at first and I'm like what is that and it was

00:38:08.820 --> 00:38:12.380
just like just going very low to the ground and

00:38:12.380 --> 00:38:14.440
then it just danced off and then all of a sudden

00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:17.460
it appeared right in front of me and it would

00:38:17.460 --> 00:38:21.599
back up. and go around like a tree and look again,

00:38:21.699 --> 00:38:24.199
like almost like there was an intelligent presence

00:38:24.199 --> 00:38:27.780
to it or an intelligent presence controlling

00:38:27.780 --> 00:38:33.639
it to kind of get a vibe of who I was and kind

00:38:33.639 --> 00:38:36.639
of like seeing if I was okay. And it was such

00:38:36.639 --> 00:38:39.579
a great experience. Now, do you have any theories

00:38:39.579 --> 00:38:42.300
on maybe what they were or what they were connected

00:38:42.300 --> 00:38:47.139
to? So the area in which we were in that specific

00:38:47.139 --> 00:38:51.210
area. was very well known for having reports

00:38:51.210 --> 00:38:54.130
of portals. And we did not see a portal, but

00:38:54.130 --> 00:38:57.590
we had a lot of activity in those areas, a lot

00:38:57.590 --> 00:39:01.449
of activity. And the orbs would show up in these

00:39:01.449 --> 00:39:05.030
areas of known activity. So we would arrive there,

00:39:05.250 --> 00:39:07.170
be in our presence, and we weren't being quiet.

00:39:07.429 --> 00:39:10.409
We didn't go in and camo. We didn't come in aggressive.

00:39:10.800 --> 00:39:13.440
We're coming in and we're having conversations

00:39:13.440 --> 00:39:15.980
and we're laughing and we're telling jokes and

00:39:15.980 --> 00:39:18.280
you know, we're just kind of hanging out being

00:39:18.280 --> 00:39:22.360
ourselves and not showing what's around us as

00:39:22.360 --> 00:39:25.019
a threat that we were a threat. And then that's

00:39:25.019 --> 00:39:28.079
when we would start to get the activity. That's

00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:30.139
really cool. I think that goes back to our previous

00:39:30.139 --> 00:39:32.739
point of doing something to draw them out, to

00:39:32.739 --> 00:39:36.760
lure them in, whatever that or they may be. You're

00:39:36.760 --> 00:39:39.519
peeking something's curiosity. I'm a big proponent.

00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:43.139
I like to sometimes sing. I haven't danced yet.

00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:45.519
I'm pretty sure my research partner would look

00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:47.659
at me like I was crazy if I started dancing,

00:39:47.739 --> 00:39:49.500
but I'm going to have to just tell her to get

00:39:49.500 --> 00:39:52.599
over it. Marian might be okay with it. She might

00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:54.519
look at me like I'm crazy first and go, I guess

00:39:54.519 --> 00:39:57.039
that's just Brooke. And you know what? She might

00:39:57.039 --> 00:39:59.360
join in. You just don't know. Yeah. You know,

00:39:59.360 --> 00:40:01.139
we could be like The Proposal out there with

00:40:01.139 --> 00:40:05.420
Sandra Bullock and Betty White. Yeah, and out

00:40:05.420 --> 00:40:07.579
there dancing around and Betty White's going,

00:40:07.639 --> 00:40:10.320
what's happening? Yeah. Yeah. And she's in her

00:40:10.320 --> 00:40:12.880
shaman kind of vibe. You know what? I love that.

00:40:13.159 --> 00:40:14.519
I might have to do that next time we're out.

00:40:14.699 --> 00:40:17.519
And it was funny because every time, you know,

00:40:17.519 --> 00:40:20.199
I was out there, I would sing to myself in my

00:40:20.199 --> 00:40:22.420
head. And it was always the same song that came

00:40:22.420 --> 00:40:25.079
to my head, You Are My Sunshine. And it's a happy

00:40:25.079 --> 00:40:27.780
upbeat song that kept me in a happy upbeat mood.

00:40:28.039 --> 00:40:30.980
And I think I have a theory that it helped. I

00:40:30.980 --> 00:40:33.119
don't know if it did or not. Well, I think intention

00:40:33.119 --> 00:40:36.039
is a big thing in this field is what your intentions

00:40:36.039 --> 00:40:39.219
are. And some of the best researchers I've been

00:40:39.219 --> 00:40:42.800
out with are the ones, in my opinion, who go

00:40:42.800 --> 00:40:45.320
out and I love it, they just start talking to

00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:47.920
the woods. They're like, hey, we're here. We

00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:50.239
just want to learn from you. We're here to observe

00:40:50.239 --> 00:40:52.800
you. If you'd like to interact with us, we're

00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:55.400
okay with that. They kind of start having this

00:40:55.400 --> 00:40:58.880
dialogue and setting that positive intention.

00:40:58.980 --> 00:41:01.300
I really think it is so important, especially

00:41:01.300 --> 00:41:04.119
when you're out doing this. 100%. We're not here

00:41:04.119 --> 00:41:06.460
to hurt you or harm you or anything like that.

00:41:06.500 --> 00:41:09.699
So I think intention is big. Absolutely. I absolutely

00:41:09.699 --> 00:41:12.420
believe in that because, you know, I have heard

00:41:12.420 --> 00:41:16.820
reports of people going into the woods in camo,

00:41:16.820 --> 00:41:20.559
you know, stalking, and then you get an aggressive

00:41:20.559 --> 00:41:25.579
response. Right. And other people go in, dress

00:41:25.579 --> 00:41:28.920
normal with positive intentions, and they get

00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:32.760
a peek around, you know, a tree or, you know,

00:41:32.860 --> 00:41:35.360
it walking through going, Okay, what is that?

00:41:35.639 --> 00:41:38.119
And just looking past and like, you're not a

00:41:38.119 --> 00:41:42.239
threat to me. And I think as a woman, I, and

00:41:42.239 --> 00:41:44.400
I'm, of course, biased, because I'm a woman,

00:41:44.440 --> 00:41:47.900
I think us doing the investigation, these cryptids,

00:41:48.019 --> 00:41:49.820
whether it be Bigfoot or Dogman, they don't look

00:41:49.820 --> 00:41:52.639
at us as a threat, where they would to a man

00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:55.900
like that's a man is far bigger there you know

00:41:55.900 --> 00:41:59.760
and so I think a woman can go in and going okay

00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:02.900
I'm okay you have that nurturing kind of attitude

00:42:02.900 --> 00:42:06.159
and you know it's okay you know and and and you

00:42:06.159 --> 00:42:09.599
know how many animals have we talked to in the

00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:11.900
woods like oh aren't you cute who's got your

00:42:11.900 --> 00:42:14.780
nose and you know stuff like that and of course

00:42:14.780 --> 00:42:18.099
men don't do that no and we're giving off a completely

00:42:18.099 --> 00:42:20.409
different pheromone I mean, even when it just

00:42:20.409 --> 00:42:23.050
comes down to our chemical makeup, we don't have

00:42:23.050 --> 00:42:25.989
as much. Most women don't have as much testosterone

00:42:25.989 --> 00:42:29.489
as a male would naturally be producing. We, our

00:42:29.489 --> 00:42:32.469
bodies go through 28 day cycles, whereas a man,

00:42:32.510 --> 00:42:35.230
they go through a 24 hour cycle when it comes

00:42:35.230 --> 00:42:39.090
to cortisol and hormones and all of that. I 100

00:42:39.090 --> 00:42:42.929
% believe that 100%. I could see that. I could

00:42:42.929 --> 00:42:45.610
totally see that something feeling more comfortable

00:42:45.610 --> 00:42:48.519
or more and more curious. Yeah. And, you know,

00:42:48.619 --> 00:42:53.239
one of my many goals in getting into Bigfoot

00:42:53.239 --> 00:42:56.780
and cryptids and paranormal is to encourage other

00:42:56.780 --> 00:43:00.179
women. You know, I'm 52 years old and I want

00:43:00.179 --> 00:43:03.619
to encourage other women who are, you know, empty

00:43:03.619 --> 00:43:06.420
nesters. Kids are older. You lose that sense

00:43:06.420 --> 00:43:09.260
of like, who am I? To get out there. You know,

00:43:09.260 --> 00:43:11.679
it's okay to go in the woods and explore. Go

00:43:11.679 --> 00:43:14.780
on a hike. You know, if you're interested in

00:43:14.780 --> 00:43:18.480
Bigfoot or something else, Get out there and

00:43:18.480 --> 00:43:20.739
and take that leap of faith because it took a

00:43:20.739 --> 00:43:23.719
lot for me To go to that first Bigfoot conference

00:43:23.719 --> 00:43:26.699
because I was alone. Nobody went with me I knew

00:43:26.699 --> 00:43:30.519
absolutely no one and I went in with the intention

00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:32.800
that I'm gonna talk to as many people as I can

00:43:32.800 --> 00:43:35.920
to learn as much as I can and I walked in the

00:43:35.920 --> 00:43:40.480
door to the VIP Line and I started talking. Hi,

00:43:40.539 --> 00:43:43.519
you know what? Immediately made friends and still

00:43:43.519 --> 00:43:45.800
to this day. I am friends with a lot of those

00:43:45.800 --> 00:43:49.079
folks And that was phenomenal. And I think the

00:43:49.079 --> 00:43:54.340
Bigfoot community has this amazing aura, this

00:43:54.340 --> 00:43:57.659
energy, where you get into it and you just become

00:43:57.659 --> 00:44:00.840
family. And it's like this camaraderie and you

00:44:00.840 --> 00:44:03.420
support one another and you cheer one another

00:44:03.420 --> 00:44:06.960
on. You know, I want every single person out

00:44:06.960 --> 00:44:10.119
there who's investigating to win, to see something,

00:44:10.400 --> 00:44:13.000
to learn more. I'm everybody's biggest cheerleader.

00:44:13.530 --> 00:44:16.469
Go, I'm gonna be your biggest supporter. So I

00:44:16.469 --> 00:44:19.070
love the fact that, you know, we're able to support

00:44:19.070 --> 00:44:22.030
one another. And right before the West Virginia

00:44:22.030 --> 00:44:25.170
conference, I got contacted by two friends, don't

00:44:25.170 --> 00:44:27.750
know each other, completely separate. Both of

00:44:27.750 --> 00:44:29.849
them contacted me going, Nat, you have inspired

00:44:29.849 --> 00:44:33.130
me. I'm going to go do this because I saw what

00:44:33.130 --> 00:44:35.469
you're doing, and if you can do it, I can do

00:44:35.469 --> 00:44:37.969
it. And then my other friend up north going,

00:44:38.219 --> 00:44:40.179
You know what? You've inspired me. I'm going

00:44:40.179 --> 00:44:43.340
to get out there more. I'm going to go and investigate

00:44:43.340 --> 00:44:46.300
more. I'm going to do more research and I'm going

00:44:46.300 --> 00:44:48.360
to attend more conferences and I'm going to and

00:44:48.360 --> 00:44:52.019
I'm like, that is so amazing that we're getting

00:44:52.019 --> 00:44:55.619
more people out of their comfort zone to step

00:44:55.619 --> 00:44:58.659
forward and to have an experience and whatever

00:44:58.659 --> 00:45:01.599
it is, whether it be paranormal, cryptids, Bigfoot,

00:45:01.619 --> 00:45:04.400
or even something completely different. And I

00:45:04.400 --> 00:45:07.480
was at the Bigfoot Festival in West Virginia.

00:45:07.690 --> 00:45:10.110
And I'm standing there and I was helping RPG

00:45:10.110 --> 00:45:14.170
with his booth and he had his booth along with

00:45:14.170 --> 00:45:17.750
Squatch Juice. So we were all there. And I was

00:45:17.750 --> 00:45:21.250
manning the booth alone this one time and a woman

00:45:21.250 --> 00:45:24.210
in her he's walked up to me and said, I just

00:45:24.210 --> 00:45:26.969
want to thank you for showing other women what

00:45:26.969 --> 00:45:29.309
we all can do. And I was like, I'm like, that

00:45:29.309 --> 00:45:32.309
meant so much to me just because even though

00:45:32.309 --> 00:45:35.889
for me, I love doing what I'm doing. and getting

00:45:35.889 --> 00:45:38.210
out there and exploring and just being in nature

00:45:38.210 --> 00:45:41.369
alone and to have this experience and to investigate.

00:45:41.710 --> 00:45:44.949
But to be a cheerleader for others, I just that's

00:45:44.949 --> 00:45:47.170
one of the biggest rewards. The Bigfoot community

00:45:47.170 --> 00:45:49.469
is unlike anything else. It's about finding those

00:45:49.469 --> 00:45:52.309
people. And it's really encouraging because we're

00:45:52.309 --> 00:45:55.329
all exploring different avenues. with Bigfoot,

00:45:55.510 --> 00:45:58.130
with the paranormal, with the supernatural and

00:45:58.130 --> 00:46:00.650
it's happening out there. The world is weird.

00:46:00.769 --> 00:46:02.349
You know, what do they say? Wild, wonderful West

00:46:02.349 --> 00:46:06.269
Virginia. That's like wild, wonderful and weird

00:46:06.269 --> 00:46:09.349
is really the world that we live in. There is

00:46:09.349 --> 00:46:11.429
enough for everybody out there. We're involved

00:46:11.429 --> 00:46:13.570
in such a cool community where we get to do things

00:46:13.570 --> 00:46:16.590
like this and we get to explore our passions,

00:46:16.809 --> 00:46:19.809
have people cheer us on and encourage. It's like

00:46:19.809 --> 00:46:22.590
we're in this race together, all inching towards

00:46:22.590 --> 00:46:27.750
the same goal. Right. To find out what this is,

00:46:28.090 --> 00:46:31.789
whatever this is, and to have a better understanding

00:46:31.789 --> 00:46:34.789
because there's still that unknown. And having

00:46:34.789 --> 00:46:37.170
conversations like this. So you go out and do

00:46:37.170 --> 00:46:38.710
your research, I go out and do mine, and then

00:46:38.710 --> 00:46:40.969
we get to talk. And I'm like, hey, what did that

00:46:40.969 --> 00:46:42.809
scream sound like? And you're like, well, it

00:46:42.809 --> 00:46:45.389
sounded very female -like. So now we're putting

00:46:45.389 --> 00:46:49.050
together a data point and we're bridging a gap

00:46:49.050 --> 00:46:51.670
and going, ooh, okay, so I had a similar experience

00:46:51.670 --> 00:46:53.989
and we're documenting it. We're sharing it with

00:46:53.989 --> 00:46:56.630
each other and we're finding these commonalities

00:46:56.630 --> 00:46:58.809
that will say, okay, well, we know it does this.

00:46:59.030 --> 00:47:01.469
We know it's around that coming up with those

00:47:01.469 --> 00:47:03.989
solid data points for the work that we're doing.

00:47:04.309 --> 00:47:07.010
And I love that. When you get to do this, it

00:47:07.010 --> 00:47:10.349
is very freeing. It's unlike anything. And I

00:47:10.349 --> 00:47:12.929
think it's safe to say that you almost become

00:47:12.929 --> 00:47:15.650
obsessed and you get kind of obsessive with it.

00:47:15.670 --> 00:47:17.989
I think that's one thing about this community,

00:47:18.230 --> 00:47:20.650
all searching for the same thing. We're not going

00:47:20.650 --> 00:47:22.650
to stop. No, and we're not going to stop. And

00:47:22.650 --> 00:47:24.869
we all do it. And we have our different methods.

00:47:25.190 --> 00:47:28.269
We have our different views. And to your point,

00:47:28.530 --> 00:47:32.340
there's no right. or wrong way. You just try

00:47:32.340 --> 00:47:35.340
to do whatever you think is best. And if it works,

00:47:35.719 --> 00:47:38.099
we share it. Like this is what worked for me.

00:47:38.300 --> 00:47:40.900
Okay, now the next person does it in a different

00:47:40.900 --> 00:47:45.239
area. And then see if we could get the same results.

00:47:45.380 --> 00:47:47.679
Now we've got a path, we're starting a pattern,

00:47:47.920 --> 00:47:50.079
which is amazing. And then we can all document

00:47:50.079 --> 00:47:53.260
it together and we're on the same path. And you

00:47:53.260 --> 00:47:55.860
know, since I started this journey, we talked

00:47:55.860 --> 00:48:00.630
before that I'm a program manager, I'm also working

00:48:00.630 --> 00:48:04.429
in the corporate offices, and I work with executives

00:48:04.429 --> 00:48:07.730
all the time, and I'm on calls every week with

00:48:07.730 --> 00:48:10.730
executives, and I start talking about this stuff.

00:48:10.969 --> 00:48:12.769
And you know, when we have a little downtime,

00:48:12.889 --> 00:48:14.250
I'm like, yeah, this is what I did, I did this

00:48:14.250 --> 00:48:16.170
investigation, or I did this and I went to this

00:48:16.170 --> 00:48:18.849
conference, and these high -level executives

00:48:18.849 --> 00:48:22.389
who are, you know, vice presidents, presidents,

00:48:22.829 --> 00:48:26.610
CEOs, big wigs, and they're like, tell us more.

00:48:26.670 --> 00:48:29.510
Well, where do you go? Well, tell me. Now you've

00:48:29.510 --> 00:48:31.750
got me intrigued. What's this? What's that? And

00:48:31.750 --> 00:48:34.630
I'm like, you know, sending them links and I'm

00:48:34.630 --> 00:48:36.389
sending them books and I'm sending, you know,

00:48:36.610 --> 00:48:38.670
here's the conference that's closest to you.

00:48:38.949 --> 00:48:43.090
And now all these folks. So my boss who oversees

00:48:43.090 --> 00:48:46.369
everything, his wife is like, you got to take

00:48:46.369 --> 00:48:48.230
me out swatching. You've got it. You've got to

00:48:48.230 --> 00:48:51.840
take me out. You know, a lot of times people

00:48:51.840 --> 00:48:54.900
are afraid to talk about it, but for me, I talk

00:48:54.900 --> 00:48:56.960
about it. I don't care who you are. I'll talk,

00:48:56.980 --> 00:49:00.719
I'll talk. And so sometimes I get strange looks.

00:49:00.860 --> 00:49:03.480
Sometimes I'm told that I'm crazy and that's

00:49:03.480 --> 00:49:06.260
okay. That's all right. I'm cool with that. But

00:49:06.260 --> 00:49:09.860
then most of the time they're like, really? You

00:49:09.860 --> 00:49:13.199
do this? Oh my gosh. You know what? You've got,

00:49:13.440 --> 00:49:15.300
are you going to be on that podcast? Here it

00:49:15.300 --> 00:49:17.579
is. Oh, let me learn more about this and learn

00:49:17.579 --> 00:49:20.519
more about that. So now you're spreading knowledge.

00:49:20.940 --> 00:49:23.760
So I don't think people should be afraid to talk

00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:26.139
about this. I think the more you talk about it,

00:49:26.219 --> 00:49:29.559
the more educated the folks around you become

00:49:29.559 --> 00:49:33.460
and the more widespread this phenomenon becomes

00:49:33.460 --> 00:49:36.559
going, okay, there's more to this. let me look

00:49:36.559 --> 00:49:38.739
into it further. And everyone in the office will

00:49:38.739 --> 00:49:42.199
know that you have the coolest hobby ever because

00:49:42.199 --> 00:49:44.360
what we get to do is the coolest thing. I know

00:49:44.360 --> 00:49:47.039
I'm biased, but I think that we have the coolest

00:49:47.039 --> 00:49:50.480
hobby that you could ever dream of having. You

00:49:50.480 --> 00:49:54.079
know, we do. And again, we are biased, but we

00:49:54.079 --> 00:49:57.460
do have the coolest hobby because how many people

00:49:57.460 --> 00:49:59.639
out there would say to you, I would never do

00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:02.630
that? I would be too terrified to do that. Well,

00:50:02.789 --> 00:50:05.369
and to your point, so when I did my first primitive

00:50:05.369 --> 00:50:09.530
camp, I had never gone camping as an adult. Going

00:50:09.530 --> 00:50:12.449
on my first primitive camping trip last year,

00:50:12.929 --> 00:50:16.670
I did it. I survived and I really liked it and

00:50:16.670 --> 00:50:19.449
I enjoyed it. I fell instantly in love. And so

00:50:19.449 --> 00:50:21.409
then ever since then, I can't tell you how many

00:50:21.409 --> 00:50:23.210
camping trips I've gone on since then. It was

00:50:23.210 --> 00:50:26.000
one of those things, though, where If I said,

00:50:26.260 --> 00:50:28.480
I can't do this, I won't be able to do it. But

00:50:28.480 --> 00:50:32.960
I went in with, I can. So many people limit themselves

00:50:32.960 --> 00:50:34.539
by saying, oh, I could never do that. I can't

00:50:34.539 --> 00:50:37.039
do this. It's like, yes, you can. Your biggest

00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:39.940
hurdle, it's not the heat. It's not Bigfoot.

00:50:40.139 --> 00:50:44.019
It's not the night itself. It's not any of that.

00:50:44.199 --> 00:50:48.340
It's you. Once you get over your own fear of

00:50:48.340 --> 00:50:51.360
just stepping out of your comfort zone, incredible

00:50:51.360 --> 00:50:54.599
things can happen. I think that growth can be

00:50:54.599 --> 00:50:58.679
uncomfortable, but so is staying the same. When

00:50:58.679 --> 00:51:02.340
we're uncomfortable, we grow and we learn. Then

00:51:02.340 --> 00:51:04.860
I was able to prove to myself, similarly to you,

00:51:05.079 --> 00:51:08.059
hey, I can do this. If I can do this, what else

00:51:08.059 --> 00:51:11.260
can I do? Now I've discovered something that

00:51:11.260 --> 00:51:13.099
I love and I would have never done that had I

00:51:13.099 --> 00:51:14.559
not stepped out of my comfort zone because a

00:51:14.559 --> 00:51:16.840
lot of people hear, oh my God, you're going backpack

00:51:16.840 --> 00:51:20.039
primitive camping in Florida. Oh, it's hot. It's

00:51:20.039 --> 00:51:21.719
this. It's that. And it's like, yeah, okay. All

00:51:21.719 --> 00:51:24.900
those things are true. Right. We limit ourselves.

00:51:25.079 --> 00:51:27.960
We set up our own boundaries. And if you go in

00:51:27.960 --> 00:51:30.619
with, to your point, I can do this. And once

00:51:30.619 --> 00:51:33.739
you do it, you are so empowered. You're like,

00:51:33.800 --> 00:51:36.920
I can do this. What was stopping me before? Me?

00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:40.360
I was stopping myself so now it's like I can

00:51:40.360 --> 00:51:43.960
go further I know I can and then you climb to

00:51:43.960 --> 00:51:46.119
the top of one of these mountains and you're

00:51:46.119 --> 00:51:49.860
looking out over just vast forest and you're

00:51:49.860 --> 00:51:53.460
like I did that okay what else can I do and you

00:51:53.460 --> 00:51:56.019
just keep going and keep going and now you're

00:51:56.019 --> 00:51:58.679
like in this groove like I'm gonna keep doing

00:51:58.679 --> 00:52:02.079
something every single time that I have the opportunity

00:52:02.300 --> 00:52:04.840
And I'm going to go further and further and further.

00:52:05.139 --> 00:52:10.039
And I have I just made a three year goal list

00:52:10.039 --> 00:52:12.719
and a five year goal list. So I have a whole

00:52:12.719 --> 00:52:14.639
list of goals that I want to accomplish in three

00:52:14.639 --> 00:52:17.099
years. And then after that, I've got my five

00:52:17.099 --> 00:52:20.199
year list. And it's like I'm going to reach every

00:52:20.199 --> 00:52:22.260
one of those goals in three years. And then in

00:52:22.260 --> 00:52:23.579
five years, I'm going to reach every one of those

00:52:23.579 --> 00:52:26.260
goals. And after five years, I will be traveling

00:52:26.260 --> 00:52:30.400
the United States in my van, my travel van, and

00:52:30.400 --> 00:52:33.659
I'll have a tiny home. on some acreage in the

00:52:33.659 --> 00:52:36.159
mountains. And I'm just going to be like, this

00:52:36.159 --> 00:52:38.420
is my life now. Your comfort zone will kill you.

00:52:38.500 --> 00:52:41.500
Your story is just so inspiring. I love when

00:52:41.500 --> 00:52:43.679
you get to leave a conversation and you feel

00:52:43.679 --> 00:52:46.780
just hyped up and inspired. I feel like that's

00:52:46.780 --> 00:52:50.079
what you've done here today. I love talking with

00:52:50.079 --> 00:52:53.449
other people who have that energy about them,

00:52:53.610 --> 00:52:56.409
that they're just motivated. And I love that.

00:52:56.469 --> 00:52:58.250
I love that you're setting goals and crushing

00:52:58.250 --> 00:53:00.510
them. And I think that's incredible. I look forward

00:53:00.510 --> 00:53:03.110
to watching you on your journey and hopefully

00:53:03.110 --> 00:53:05.289
getting to join you along the way and collaborate

00:53:05.289 --> 00:53:08.130
some more on some things. You're going to crush

00:53:08.130 --> 00:53:10.170
it. I already know it. Thank you so much. And

00:53:10.170 --> 00:53:12.030
I would love to collaborate with you sometime,

00:53:12.409 --> 00:53:14.880
anytime. Just let me know. And there's a lot

00:53:14.880 --> 00:53:17.820
of stuff coming up that we can do. And it's going

00:53:17.820 --> 00:53:21.260
to be so interesting what comes in the future.

00:53:21.679 --> 00:53:25.059
And with your career as well, I mean, what you're

00:53:25.059 --> 00:53:28.199
going to be able to do is going to far surpass

00:53:28.199 --> 00:53:33.280
me. I'm excited to see that. Absolutely. And

00:53:33.280 --> 00:53:35.739
I had so much fun here. I appreciate you so much.

00:53:35.840 --> 00:53:49.960
Thank you. I hope you enjoyed that conversation

00:53:49.960 --> 00:53:53.920
as much as I did. Natalie's honesty and insight

00:53:53.920 --> 00:53:56.809
and passion for uncovering the truth It's always

00:53:56.809 --> 00:53:59.130
empowering to connect with other women doing

00:53:59.130 --> 00:54:02.309
this kind of work, especially in the spaces that

00:54:02.309 --> 00:54:04.989
we're in. Keep your eyes out for the Vanished

00:54:04.989 --> 00:54:08.170
Relic Films new documentary. It's coming soon

00:54:08.170 --> 00:54:10.969
and I have a feeling that it is going to make

00:54:10.969 --> 00:54:14.670
some waves. If you liked this episode, be sure

00:54:14.670 --> 00:54:18.670
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00:54:18.670 --> 00:54:21.610
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00:54:21.610 --> 00:54:24.849
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00:54:24.849 --> 00:54:27.210
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on the show, shoot me an email at darkfloridapodcast

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.com. Until next time, stay curious and stay

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strange.