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Welcome back to Dark Florida, where the moss

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hangs low and the whispers run deep, and the

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unknown is just waiting to be explored. I'm your

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host, Brooke Morland, and whether you've been

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here since episode one or just stumbled out of

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the woods to join us, I'm so Glad you're here.

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the show. Now let's get to tonight's guest, Rachel.

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She brings something truly special to the campfire

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with a triple major in biology. geology, and

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microbiology. In over 20 years of experience

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as an industrial hygienist, she's got a sharp

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scientific mind and a serious investigative edge.

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She's participated in fish behavior studies in

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Honduras, endangered species surveys in Australia,

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and primate observation in the Kansas City Zoo,

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as well as being a geological research on ancient

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impact zones. She has seen it all. But It's not

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just the science that's shaped her story. She

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also grew up in a deeply religious town in the

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heart of the Midwest, a place that was brimming

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with spook lights, haunted buildings, whispers

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of witches, and buried giants. So it's no surprise

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that her life has taken her deep into the realms

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of folklore and the unexplained. And it gets

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even stranger. Today, we'll talk about a Bigfoot

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sighting when she was a geology student in Colorado.

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a recent possible sighting of her own with her

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son in Lithia Springs, right here in Florida,

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and the eerie coincidence of a missing 4 -1 -1

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case that took place in the very same area 60

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years prior. This episode is a reminder that

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The High Strange doesn't always give you a heads

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up. Sometimes you're just in the right place

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or wrong place at the right time and always,

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always bring two GoPros. So grab a flashlight,

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settle in, and let's get weird. Welcome back

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to another episode of Dark Florida. Today I am

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joined by Rachel and I'm so excited to have you

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here. I know that we've gotten a chance to talk

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and I've read the email you sent me and I have

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just so many questions. But first, Welcome to

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the show. Thank you very much. It's a pleasure

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to be here. Yeah. So do you mind just sharing

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with the audience just a little bit about your

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background and who you are? Sure. Absolutely.

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So to explain what I do, I'm an industrial hygienist

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and a lot of people are not familiar with my

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field. It's a specialized field of public health.

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And basically what it entails is background with

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respect to toxicology, epidemiology, biostatistics.

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What I do is I travel across the U .S. going

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to environmental locations or industrial sites,

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monitoring those sites to see if there could

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be something that has an effect upon public health.

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So my particular focus of interest are things

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that are beyond human senses. So what could be

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impacting worker psychology or their health long

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term that maybe they can't sense, either visually

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or audially or maybe by odor. So it's a really

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fascinating field to work in. Not very well known,

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very well specialized, but I really enjoy what

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I do. I've had the opportunity to participate

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in disaster response and it's a rewarding field.

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It definitely seems like there will never be

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a dull day. No, it's always different and I never

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really know what I'm going to encounter, certainly,

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especially when I was consulting. I could be

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brought in for either health concerns or maybe

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there was something going on there that they

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wanted to be proactive about that the personnel

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were handling on site or exposed to in the environment

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in some way. been a rewarding career and any

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time I've been involved with a disaster response

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from the Deepwater Horizon oil spill to Hurricane

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Katrina to moving around the U .S. monitoring

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different different environments and conditions.

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It's been a really great career. It sounds like

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it. Have you ever been called out to anything

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that you've been suspicious, maybe has some more

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of that paranormal or supernatural aspect to

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it? Or have you ever come across anything that's

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left you feeling kind of like you've encountered

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something unexplained? So I go to a lot of areas

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where maybe something has gone wrong. And I come

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in after the fact to help put a picture together

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of what might have happened. And in some cases,

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it's a need to to know type scenario. And one

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situation that I'm thinking of immediately, I

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was brought to a site and they wanted to do a

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combination of assessing for as best as containing

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materials on site, but then also looking for

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things like mold and fungi and collecting spores

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and assessing the area that what we were told

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was that. a large water tank on top of the building

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had leaked and it impacted the floors below and

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they wanted to get the building back to reoccupancy.

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So I came in there with another coworker and

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we split out, we were doing our respective things

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and you know it was a pharmaceutical facility

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and it was interesting because there were some

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areas where it looked like equipment had just

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been ripped off of the walls and walking through

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those spaces alone with partial power and hearing

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containment breach alarms and going through airlocks

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that had been opened. It felt a little bit like

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I was on the set of a movie, I'm not gonna lie,

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but that one immediately comes to mind. It's

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always really kind of stuck out. Was this really

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a water leak or could we have been brought in

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because maybe something got out? And yeah, you

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know, I'll never really answer that question.

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it was a need -to -know type assessment, so I'll

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never know. You're originally from Kansas, but

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you have had your own cryptid sightings. And

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in your email, you talk about how you kind of

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grew up hearing whispers of legends of potential

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military exercises, things like that. And one

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of the things that stick out to me was you had

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mentioned some giant mounds. Now, are we talking

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giant Indian burial mounds or the serpent mounds

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that are up in Ohio? There are some burial mounds

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found throughout the Midwestern US that were

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used by indigenous cultures to bury artifacts,

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bury ancestors, or they were built for some type

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of religious significance. And interestingly

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enough, I was looking at one specific area that

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was close to... It was close to a military testing

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range near Canopolis State Park, and there had

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been a missing 411 case in that area. There aren't

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very many missing 411 cases that involve the

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state of Kansas, but because I was familiar with

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it, I was looking it up. And on the aerial map,

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you can see a mound that is called out as a point

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of interest. And if you look at the comments,

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then there are comments made by individuals who

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claim that there are rumors that giants are buried

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in the mound. Giants. as in giant skeletons.

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I thought that was very interesting, but it's

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an unusual area. You know, we used to see military

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aircraft flying around in that space while we

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were out hiking. And you never quite knew what

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you were going to run into out in the woods out

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in that area. Sounds like it. You bring up the

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missing 411. That is a case study that I find

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just So interesting. Anytime I hear Missing 411,

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my ears kind of perk up. Absolutely. And you

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know, if it weren't for Missing 411, I wouldn't

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be talking about some of the strange things that

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have that have happened to me out in the outdoors.

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That was really what got me open up to with respect

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to a Bigfoot sighting that I had when I was in

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college. Yeah, you know, I saw Missing 411, the

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hunted one night and something clicked. And then

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I needed to know more. I got all of the books.

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I watched the two documentaries that were available

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at that time. I couldn't get enough of it. And

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it really made me think and consider that some

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of these situations really are strange. And everything

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that I've looked up after the fact has been corroborated

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by what I've read in the books. Very fascinating.

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It is. Absolutely. So, okay. So with that being

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said, I guess that's a good segue into this next

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part. We mentioned that you had a sighting. Do

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you mind kind of explaining what happened with

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that? Sure. So at the time I was a geology student

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and I was working in Colorado. and not as a student

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that year, but as an orderly for the field camp

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that the students would attend every year. So

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late in their career, they would be going to

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the field camp to learn how to do field exercises,

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primarily mapping of geological units out where

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there's some interesting topography in Colorado.

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That year I had an unusual job. I was sent out.

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prior to being a student as just sort of a field

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orderly to help maintain the camp while the students

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were out during the day. And it meant that I

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had the run of the mountains. I had basically

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full use of the camp while everyone was gone.

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And one day, you know, I had been spending my

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days hiking around the mountains. There was a

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gap between two classes. There were two to three

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week long classes and the students finished their

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first class and typically celebrated the weekend

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between the two classes. And that weekend, You

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know, we did some whitewater rafting, but they

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also invited me to summit a mountain with them.

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And I thought that sounded like a good idea.

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So long story short, I felt suddenly pretty sick

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as we were going up the mountain and. I assumed

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it was altitude sickness, and I didn't want to

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mess up the summit experience for the three students

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that invited me to go along with them. So I said,

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I know where I'm at with respect to how to get

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back. I'm fine. You guys go on ahead. I'll take

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a quick break here and then head back by myself.

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I feel perfectly comfortable doing that. I'm

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very familiar with this area. Go on ahead. So

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we split up. The three of them continued up the

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mountain. I took I took a brief break. I put

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my backpack down on the rock that, you know,

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I sat down on when they left and thought while

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I was there and I had a good vantage point, I

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would take a few pictures and I turn around and

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I come back. My backpack is nowhere to be found.

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I can't find it. You know, I thought it was just

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maybe 20 or 30 feet behind me on the rock I'd

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been sitting on and I couldn't find it. Or at

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least it wasn't on the rock that I thought it

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was on. So I spent a lot of time. looking around

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the area trying to find my backpack and getting

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pretty upset probably getting starting to get

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pretty vocal at that point about it certainly

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not something I wanted to leave behind you know

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otherwise I would have had to completely replace

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everything in my pack and of course I didn't

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want to do that it had my water and everything

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in it and I still needed to get down the mountain

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so eventually I noticed that it's right there.

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It's right where I thought it was. And at this

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point, I know that I'm needing to make up some

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time to get back down. So put on my pack. I don't

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question it, but I don't take the exact route

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that I took on the way up. You know, we weren't

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really on a trail per se, but I wanted to make

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up some time. So I thought I would take a more

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direct route, kind of a shortcut. And I ended

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up to make a long story short on the wrong side

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of a saddle and came down between two cliffs.

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And there was a river that it switched back twice

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in front of me so I would have to cross it twice.

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And I really didn't want to have to do that.

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I was by myself. And as I'm standing there kind

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of milling between these two cliffs, there were

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these large limestone boulders that had fallen

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down from the cliffs at some point in time and

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were sitting in the, you know, kind of buried,

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partially buried into the ground. And I'm not

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sure what to do because I certainly don't want

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to have to go back up the mountain and potentially

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run the risk of feeling ill again. And I hear

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this rock hitting a rock and I look up and I

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see what I can only describe as a Sasquatch standing

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there at the edge of the cliff looking down at

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me. And I could tell that it seemed like it waited

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for me to see it. And as soon as I saw it, then

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it was like an acknowledgement happened and it

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moved away from the cliff edge immediately out

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of view. And it was really hard for me to digest

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that. I spent years trying to rationalize what

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could have possibly been other than that, but...

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You know, even if you put someone in a suit,

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somehow you found someone who happened to have

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very unusual body proportions and were about...

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seven feet tall and artificially elongated their

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forearms or something like that. I don't think

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that a person could have replicated the movement.

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It was just so fast and smooth and unlike your

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standard run -of -the -mill human, the way that

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it moved away from the edge of the cliff, it

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was so fast. Yeah, I knew that I'd seen something

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unusual. I was very afraid at that point in time.

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I made a beeline to get out of there and get...

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back to the camp. There was no question I was

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going across the creek twice, whatever it took.

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And I was afraid to look behind myself. Just

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knew that something was there. I felt like I

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was being watched, maybe pursued the whole time,

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and eventually made it back to camp. And I did

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tell two of the students who hadn't made the

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summit attempt when I, you know, as soon as I

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saw someone, I was like, hey guys, I think I

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saw a Bigfoot. And they started laughing. They

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thought it was hilarious. And I really thought

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my life was in danger. So I clammed up about

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it and I didn't speak of it for almost 20 years,

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actually. My spouse didn't know about it. And

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anyway, I got back to camp, didn't mention it

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again. About a week later, something started

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circling my cabin at night. And I really, to

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this day, feel like that's what it was. It was

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the creature that I'd seen that day. I was sharing

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a cabin with a teaching assistant and we mentioned

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it once in the morning, the first morning after

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it happened. And he said, Hey, did you hear that?

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bear circling our cabin last night. I just kind

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of acknowledged him and we never spoke of it

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after that point. But, you know, if I'd really

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thought it had been a black bear, I would have

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been looking out of the window for sure, right?

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I mean, I'm not that bothered by bears really,

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especially being inside a cabin, but neither

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of us, both of us were not looking out of the

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windows to see what it was that was circling

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our cabins. That was my, that was my into questioning

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everything that I thought that I knew at that

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point. I'm sure that was a very life -changing

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event. And it's interesting you said that about

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your pack kind of being displaced, changing locations

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on you. On episode 14 of this show, I interviewed

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a woman named Marcia Clark. And she talks about

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during her encounter that she had this very specific

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pen, right? Because she had been left in this

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national forest and it had a light on the tip

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of it. So when she could write notes about any

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activity or things like that, you can see at

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night. and that there were things happening at

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the camp. I think vocalizations or maybe some

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sort of sound, some sort of audio was happening

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and it was diverting her attention away. And

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when she had come back, the pen was gone. So

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she's looking all over. She's like, what? I know

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I just hadn't left it right here. This is crazy.

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Search, search, search. Some more stuff had happened.

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Come back and the pen is exactly where she had

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remembered it being before and had already searched

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and it wasn't there. prior. And that's when she

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says, Oh, my gosh, okay, something was messing

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with me. So that's the first thing I want to

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point out is that I have heard people talk about

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that with encounters, almost like they're toying

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with you or playing a game with you of some sort.

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That's exactly how I felt in hindsight, you know,

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and it didn't it didn't really sink in until

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maybe a few years ago, I thought about it. But

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I had always written it off as oh, I was just

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incompetent and disoriented and all the rocks

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look the same out there and I must have lost

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track of my backpack. But now I really feel like

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something was messing with me up there. And that

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area was the same area that would have been attached

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to that cliff where I ended up having the sighting.

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it definitely seems like maybe something was

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messing with me up there. And somehow it's bothersome

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to think of it actually, because I know that

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I could have been really close to it and had

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absolutely no idea. No, that's what I was thinking.

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Talk about missing 411 when you talked about

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being disoriented. Were you already hiking when

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you started to kind of feel off? Yes. And, you

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know, and this is the this is the other thing.

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So I have two experiences that really bother

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me. One of them is this sighting and in both

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scenarios and I'm also interested in folklore,

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by the way. There is so much folklore out there

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that makes mention of the fact that, you know,

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you shouldn't be disrespectful. You shouldn't

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say things that in a joking manner that could

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offend an entity of some kind. And this is one

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of the two situations where I had made a joke

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as we were climbing. And the reason I'd made

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a joke is I saw some unusual scat shortly before

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I started to feel ill. It looked sort of like

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it had the same composition of the bear skin

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that we had been seeing, but the shape was a

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bit different. It was more like almost like a

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cow pie shape. I had made this really loud joke

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that, oh, I'm going to get this analyzed for

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Bigfoot DNA. I'm going to take home a sample

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and was laughing about it, you know, and just

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being a little bit obnoxious. And shortly after

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that is when I started to feel. pretty sick.

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And I'd always chalked it up to altitude sickness.

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Of course, that's the first thing you're going

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to think of when you're in the mountains. And

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the best thing to do is to get down to a lower

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elevation, which is why I thought, oh, I'll just

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go down to a lower elevation. I'll be fine. And

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had no issues with the rest of the group splitting

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off from me. But yeah, in hindsight, thinking

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about it, that always bothered me too. I made

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maybe a disrespectful joke and I felt like I

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was singled out in some way or maybe made sick,

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if that makes sense. No, it does. And for lack

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of a better word, some people don't like this

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term. But I have heard reports of people and

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solo individuals feeling zapped, that nauseousness,

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that sickness, headaches, that type of a thing,

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feeling like they're going to pass out, like

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they need to sit down. You hear that in these

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sightings. I do have to agree. I think sometimes

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the universe does have a way of humbling us in

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funny ways. You have a background in geology

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and you spoke about the limestone. And I think

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that's part of the Missing 411 profile points

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is that limestone and that granite. Perhaps those

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areas are supercharged for this type of activity.

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And what do you think the correlation between

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something like Sasquatch and this limestone and

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granite, how are those two things connected?

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Well, you know, what's interesting about that

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area, right? So they're The cliffs that I was

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looking at, the large cliffs on either side of

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the creek switchback, were all limestone cliffs.

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And the boulders that were surrounding me in

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that field between the two cliffs were all limestone

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that had fallen from the cliffs. But underneath

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it is all precambrian granite. So I didn't mention

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that, but you did, so I'm going to go there.

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If you actually go down in that creek and you

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bring a magnet with you, put a plastic bag over

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it to keep the magnet from getting contaminated,

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you can collect a lot of magnetite. out of that

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creek. I had done that before and had done that

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during some field exercises out there. I came

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back the following year when I was a student

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and that was part of my mapping area. But the

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whole area is, you know, under underlain by the

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Precambrian granite which is full of magnetite.

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So who knows what that is and who knows if that

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could potentially be part of it. I almost feel

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like it could be because there are a lot of cases

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out there that seem to correlate with presence

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of granite, granite boulders, and maybe there's

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something to that magnetite presence out there.

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Something conducting some extra energy and maybe

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harnessing some of that ley line, high strangeness

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energy. Right. Well, and fault lines as well.

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You can see that through some of those areas.

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Some of the areas we were in specifically, we

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wanted to map out. the fault lines and areas

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where water travels through rock. You could see

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and this was you know I have a bit of a botanical

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interest background as well in terms of understanding

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flora and fauna in an area. doing ecological

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and wetlands assessments, I'm always looking

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at the types of plants that are growing in an

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area. I had an advantage during the field mapping

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exercises because I could tell where the faults

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were by the change in the plants. There would

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be plants that would grow where there was more

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water and typically where the water was being

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transmitted, it would move very easily through

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a fault line through rocks. So I had a bit of

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an advantage there. I could look at the plants

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and see where they were changing and then start

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focusing in on those areas to see where the fault

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lines might be. And typically that would lead

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me to geologically maybe something more interesting

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that might be missed otherwise. I love that you're

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looking for clues that a lot of people maybe

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overlook or just don't have the background to

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notice. But as far as being more science -based,

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you had this encounter happen about 20 years

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ago. Your friends, your peers laughed it off.

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And I'm sure that coming from that background,

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you were probably, if I had to assume, maybe

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worried about how it would be received by other

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peers and colleagues, when did you kind of step

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into your truth? And I'm sure that being able

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to talk about it and dissect it, that has to

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feel good because holding on to that trauma,

00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:09.319
that's scary. You know, knowing that you were

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so close to something, not sure what the intentions

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are behind some of the things that you saw, it

00:21:14.839 --> 00:21:17.119
probably feels good to be able to talk about

00:21:17.119 --> 00:21:19.220
it and try to make more sense of it. What got

00:21:19.220 --> 00:21:21.680
you to out of your shell, so to speak, and wrap

00:21:21.680 --> 00:21:23.140
your head around what happened to you. Yeah,

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of course. And that's such a great topic. And

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I got to say, I feel so much better now being

00:21:27.980 --> 00:21:30.279
open about it. It's nice to meet other people

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that have had similar experiences. I feel like

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when I have a conversation with someone that's

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gone through something similar to that, there's

00:21:37.799 --> 00:21:39.720
kind of a kinship that's there because there's

00:21:39.720 --> 00:21:42.799
so many shared experiences that are hard to explain.

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I was really afraid to talk about it for a long

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time. For a long time, I refused to acknowledge

00:21:48.099 --> 00:21:49.920
that it happened. It was almost like it was locked

00:21:49.920 --> 00:21:52.940
away. And I mentioned that I saw it missing 411,

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the 100, and that was kind of the door opening

00:21:54.880 --> 00:21:56.440
there. That's when I started thinking about it.

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That's when I started wanting to learn more.

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So that was in 2021. And a few months after the

00:22:03.380 --> 00:22:06.819
fact, I brought it up to... my spouse and told

00:22:06.819 --> 00:22:08.700
him what was going on and then I told others

00:22:08.700 --> 00:22:10.480
that were you know a handful of people that were

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really close to me and to my surprise this time

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I really wasn't laughed at they could tell I

00:22:14.539 --> 00:22:17.980
was serious about it and understood that I was

00:22:17.980 --> 00:22:21.079
in that moment really afraid you know to to be

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somewhere where no one knows where you are and

00:22:23.920 --> 00:22:26.700
to see something that just outclasses you in

00:22:26.700 --> 00:22:29.059
every possible way it's and you don't know the

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rules of how to interact with it or what the

00:22:32.420 --> 00:22:34.799
intention is there very clearly I felt wanted

00:22:34.990 --> 00:22:38.369
me to understand that it was there and I needed

00:22:38.369 --> 00:22:43.829
to leave whatever area I was in. Yeah, it's just

00:22:43.829 --> 00:22:46.029
not something that ever leaves you. And it was

00:22:46.029 --> 00:22:48.650
really hard for me to deal with emotionally until

00:22:48.650 --> 00:22:50.910
I could open up about it. And then it was a huge

00:22:50.910 --> 00:22:53.250
relief, especially when I found some others that

00:22:53.250 --> 00:22:55.789
I had some common ground with. And I went on

00:22:55.789 --> 00:22:58.329
a trip with some friends of mine from my hometown.

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You know, we had kind of a reunion trip, so to

00:23:01.329 --> 00:23:03.579
say, we kind of met from different parts of the

00:23:03.579 --> 00:23:06.359
country and rented a cabin together in the Midwest

00:23:06.359 --> 00:23:09.140
and caught up on old times. And while we were

00:23:09.140 --> 00:23:11.519
out there, somehow the topic came up and I, you

00:23:11.519 --> 00:23:13.359
know, while we were walking in the woods, I mentioned

00:23:13.359 --> 00:23:15.839
my sighting. Everybody was great about it. They

00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:17.779
wanted to know more, ask questions about it.

00:23:17.880 --> 00:23:19.619
Nobody, I didn't feel like I was saying anything

00:23:19.619 --> 00:23:22.019
ridiculous, but what got very interesting about

00:23:22.019 --> 00:23:24.660
it was come to find out one of my childhood friends

00:23:24.660 --> 00:23:27.859
has become a therapist and she has a client that

00:23:27.859 --> 00:23:31.079
had an experience that was very similar to mine

00:23:31.079 --> 00:23:33.460
only in California. And her client was seeing

00:23:33.460 --> 00:23:35.779
her because this person was having a very hard

00:23:35.779 --> 00:23:38.980
time psychologically handling it. And so when

00:23:38.980 --> 00:23:41.900
she heard it from me, she looked at me very seriously

00:23:41.900 --> 00:23:43.740
and said, you know what, my perspective on this

00:23:43.740 --> 00:23:47.759
has changed quite a bit after hearing you relate

00:23:47.759 --> 00:23:50.839
this. And we started going back and forth. with

00:23:50.839 --> 00:23:53.779
text messages about it and eventually I sent

00:23:53.779 --> 00:23:55.799
her some recommendations for books that I had

00:23:55.799 --> 00:23:58.240
read to kind of learn more that really helped

00:23:58.240 --> 00:24:00.859
me deal with things and she got back to me and

00:24:00.859 --> 00:24:03.099
said you know what my client lit up like a Christmas

00:24:03.099 --> 00:24:06.099
tree when I told her about you and I started

00:24:06.099 --> 00:24:08.279
sharing materials that you'd recommended because

00:24:08.460 --> 00:24:11.059
There was such a relief there and her client

00:24:11.059 --> 00:24:13.519
said, you know, I'm just so relieved it's not

00:24:13.519 --> 00:24:15.359
just me that went through this. And there was

00:24:15.359 --> 00:24:17.819
some common ground with someone and I was, you

00:24:17.819 --> 00:24:20.160
know, it felt good for me to help someone else

00:24:20.160 --> 00:24:22.200
deal with it because it's not an easy thing.

00:24:22.359 --> 00:24:24.000
You know, like I said, it never leaves you and

00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:26.700
I still have a hard night. sometimes remembering

00:24:26.700 --> 00:24:29.400
that how I felt in that moment and after the

00:24:29.400 --> 00:24:31.660
fact. My heart always goes out for people who

00:24:31.660 --> 00:24:33.519
have situations like that because it absolutely

00:24:33.519 --> 00:24:36.339
can break your paradigm when you see something

00:24:36.339 --> 00:24:38.940
that's unexplainable that you have been taught

00:24:38.940 --> 00:24:42.460
does not exist and but you're looking at it and

00:24:42.460 --> 00:24:45.200
you had a very real and scary experience with

00:24:45.200 --> 00:24:47.799
it that always gets to me. While we're on the

00:24:47.799 --> 00:24:50.160
topic of it, what were some of the characteristics

00:24:50.160 --> 00:24:52.039
that you noticed about it? What did it look like?

00:24:52.180 --> 00:24:54.880
I couldn't make out any of the detail. It was

00:24:54.880 --> 00:24:57.599
more like a silhouette on the top of the cliff

00:24:57.599 --> 00:24:59.940
than anything else. I could clearly see the body

00:24:59.940 --> 00:25:03.019
outline when it moved and how it moved. But I

00:25:03.019 --> 00:25:05.000
could tell it was covered in very, very dark

00:25:05.000 --> 00:25:08.539
hair, either black or potentially very dark brown.

00:25:08.599 --> 00:25:11.599
But it was just so dark that I couldn't make

00:25:11.599 --> 00:25:14.529
out. any of the detail. And I don't know if that's

00:25:14.529 --> 00:25:16.609
a good or a bad thing. Definitely been curious

00:25:16.609 --> 00:25:19.089
about it, but at the same time, and I'd love

00:25:19.089 --> 00:25:21.390
to see what one looks like up close, you know,

00:25:21.390 --> 00:25:24.130
if I if I can do that in a safe way and be absolutely

00:25:24.130 --> 00:25:26.670
assured that, you know, nothing bad was going

00:25:26.670 --> 00:25:29.190
to happen about it. I'd love to know what the

00:25:29.190 --> 00:25:31.450
detail is of maybe what their facial features

00:25:31.450 --> 00:25:34.230
look like. But as far as gender or details of

00:25:34.230 --> 00:25:37.609
the face, I really couldn't say because I couldn't

00:25:37.609 --> 00:25:41.049
see anything. But I could see the physiology

00:25:41.049 --> 00:25:44.369
and the shape. And I'm not sure if you're familiar

00:25:44.369 --> 00:25:47.170
with the Harvey Pratt composite drawings, but

00:25:47.170 --> 00:25:49.309
there are a few of his drawings that match what

00:25:49.309 --> 00:25:51.430
I saw almost exactly in terms of body shape,

00:25:51.809 --> 00:25:53.769
which I've one in particular, I've spent a lot

00:25:53.769 --> 00:25:55.490
of time looking at it because it just, every

00:25:55.490 --> 00:25:57.470
time I see it, it brings me back to that day.

00:25:57.509 --> 00:26:01.130
Now you're speaking my language. I actually got

00:26:01.130 --> 00:26:04.190
Dave Palladis to sign my copy of the Hooper project.

00:26:04.569 --> 00:26:05.789
That's one of my favorite. I did see it at the

00:26:05.789 --> 00:26:07.609
conference. Yeah, a couple of years ago. Oh,

00:26:07.609 --> 00:26:10.900
really? That's awesome. That's one of my favorite

00:26:10.900 --> 00:26:12.880
books. And there's some really good sketches

00:26:12.880 --> 00:26:15.480
in there. I love Harvey Pratt. I love that they

00:26:15.480 --> 00:26:18.380
were able to team up and go interview these witnesses

00:26:18.380 --> 00:26:22.160
and really get a glimpse as close as we can to

00:26:22.160 --> 00:26:25.279
what they saw without actually having been there

00:26:25.279 --> 00:26:27.900
or taken a picture. I think that's so cool. Yeah.

00:26:28.119 --> 00:26:30.579
The Hoopa Project and Tribal Bigfoot are two

00:26:30.579 --> 00:26:32.619
of my favorite books. And a lot of it has to

00:26:32.619 --> 00:26:34.519
do with the Harvey Pratt drawings are just so

00:26:34.519 --> 00:26:37.930
fascinating. This was your first sighting. Seeing

00:26:37.930 --> 00:26:40.390
that unlocked your memory, you kind of hidden

00:26:40.390 --> 00:26:42.490
that away and maybe suppressed it over all those

00:26:42.490 --> 00:26:45.130
years. I've only had the one sighting. However,

00:26:45.390 --> 00:26:49.670
and this is a big part of the driver of why I'm

00:26:49.670 --> 00:26:52.710
wanting to look more into the phenomenon is,

00:26:52.710 --> 00:26:57.269
you know, I have children now and in 2023 we

00:26:57.269 --> 00:27:01.279
were at a playground. in Florida, Atthea Springs,

00:27:01.460 --> 00:27:03.339
for anyone that might be curious. While we were

00:27:03.339 --> 00:27:06.079
at the playground, and this is a very busy park

00:27:06.079 --> 00:27:09.019
in the summer, especially all of the pavilions

00:27:09.019 --> 00:27:11.099
are occupied. You're lucky to get one. You got

00:27:11.099 --> 00:27:13.960
to show up right away if you want to get one.

00:27:14.299 --> 00:27:18.160
And there's a circle drive, so it's not against

00:27:18.160 --> 00:27:20.119
remote woods or anything like that. But there

00:27:20.119 --> 00:27:21.960
is a patch of woods next to where the playground

00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:24.599
was at that point in time. And suddenly I noticed

00:27:24.599 --> 00:27:26.200
that my youngest son, who would have been three,

00:27:26.519 --> 00:27:28.559
He had wandered away from the playground. He

00:27:28.559 --> 00:27:30.359
was standing at the edge of the woods and it

00:27:30.359 --> 00:27:32.400
almost looked like there was a game trail where

00:27:32.400 --> 00:27:33.920
he was standing and he was kind of looking at

00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:35.940
something in there. I got up and was like, okay,

00:27:35.960 --> 00:27:37.380
what are you doing? You know, why are you trying

00:27:37.380 --> 00:27:39.460
to wander into the woods? And he told me that

00:27:39.460 --> 00:27:41.740
he saw Krampus standing there. I was like, that

00:27:41.740 --> 00:27:44.799
doesn't sound good. So I dropped what I was doing,

00:27:45.119 --> 00:27:47.359
went down that trail, partially looked around,

00:27:47.440 --> 00:27:49.559
couldn't see anything, you know, and keep in

00:27:49.559 --> 00:27:51.420
mind this little section of woods is completely

00:27:51.420 --> 00:27:53.519
surrounded by road. There's no way anything could

00:27:53.519 --> 00:27:55.599
leave without having to cross a road with very

00:27:55.599 --> 00:27:59.140
crowded. pavilions of people out picnicking within

00:27:59.140 --> 00:28:01.059
eyesight. I'm looking around. I'm looking up

00:28:01.059 --> 00:28:02.900
and down. I couldn't see anything, but I did

00:28:02.900 --> 00:28:05.700
notice that if there was, you know, a very large

00:28:05.700 --> 00:28:07.460
person or something standing in the woods, it

00:28:07.460 --> 00:28:09.599
could watch the kids very clearly from the playground

00:28:09.599 --> 00:28:13.940
there. It just thinking about my kids being around

00:28:13.940 --> 00:28:16.420
something like that or potentially having the

00:28:16.420 --> 00:28:19.519
feeling that I did after Colorado, it really

00:28:19.519 --> 00:28:23.400
bothered me. We were spooked. We left. And then

00:28:23.400 --> 00:28:25.539
the conference, the same one we were just talking

00:28:25.539 --> 00:28:28.680
about with David Politis and the year that Ron

00:28:28.680 --> 00:28:31.319
Morehead and Jeff Meldrum were there, had those

00:28:31.319 --> 00:28:34.319
great t -shirts, right, with the Bigfoot walking

00:28:34.319 --> 00:28:37.079
the alligator on a leash. I had to get on a leash.

00:28:37.380 --> 00:28:40.480
I came home with one. My three -year -old immediately,

00:28:40.700 --> 00:28:42.460
when he saw my shirt, points at me and says,

00:28:42.539 --> 00:28:44.539
mommy, it's Krampus next to the playground. And

00:28:44.539 --> 00:28:48.140
I'm just like, oh, you know, no, I don't want...

00:28:48.160 --> 00:28:50.799
my kids to be necessarily interacting with these

00:28:50.799 --> 00:28:53.380
things. Not unless I know that it's safe, right?

00:28:53.519 --> 00:28:56.259
And that's what's driving my interest in the

00:28:56.259 --> 00:28:58.160
research is I want my kids to have the same love

00:28:58.160 --> 00:29:03.039
of the outdoors that I do. You don't want them

00:29:03.039 --> 00:29:05.920
to be scared. No, I don't want them to have this,

00:29:06.220 --> 00:29:09.539
to maybe have the burden of being terrified of

00:29:09.539 --> 00:29:11.259
things that are out there. But at the same time,

00:29:11.400 --> 00:29:14.240
I can't really tell them that we understand everything.

00:29:14.400 --> 00:29:17.180
that could be in the woods now. It's a really

00:29:17.180 --> 00:29:20.140
frustrating place to be as a parent. And we just

00:29:20.140 --> 00:29:24.400
got back from a trip to the Midwest. And when

00:29:24.400 --> 00:29:26.980
you grow up in a farming family and you marry

00:29:26.980 --> 00:29:29.259
into a farming family, at some point in time,

00:29:29.400 --> 00:29:30.859
whenever you go back, you're going to get put

00:29:30.859 --> 00:29:34.019
to work on somebody's farm. We happened to be

00:29:34.019 --> 00:29:37.099
soybean planting while we were out there. And

00:29:37.099 --> 00:29:40.410
while we were out, you know, in one of the fields

00:29:40.410 --> 00:29:42.670
that the kids were kind of rotating who gets

00:29:42.670 --> 00:29:45.990
to ride in the tractor that was pulling the soybean

00:29:45.990 --> 00:29:49.410
planter. There was a patch of woods that used

00:29:49.410 --> 00:29:51.869
to be part of an old homestead next to the soybean

00:29:51.869 --> 00:29:53.789
field, a little bit of a marshy area that the

00:29:53.789 --> 00:29:56.809
tractor had to move around. And then this area

00:29:56.809 --> 00:29:59.190
where there were these mulberry trees. And my

00:29:59.190 --> 00:30:00.670
husband was trying to take the kids back there

00:30:00.670 --> 00:30:02.769
to pick some mulberries. And I hung back. I took

00:30:02.769 --> 00:30:04.789
a couple of pictures and then, you know, I was

00:30:04.789 --> 00:30:06.289
just about to catch up to them on the edge of

00:30:06.289 --> 00:30:08.029
the woods. And suddenly my husband is shooing

00:30:08.029 --> 00:30:10.990
the kids toward my direction and I was like what's

00:30:10.990 --> 00:30:12.750
going on you know because he was acting weird

00:30:12.750 --> 00:30:14.930
and the kids were making a booking it to get

00:30:14.930 --> 00:30:16.730
out and he's like I saw something in the woods

00:30:16.730 --> 00:30:18.769
what'd you see well it was I couldn't really

00:30:18.769 --> 00:30:21.289
see it but it was black had it looked like maybe

00:30:21.289 --> 00:30:23.230
it had furrows about three feet off of the ground

00:30:23.230 --> 00:30:25.549
and it was moving away from us and I didn't hear

00:30:25.549 --> 00:30:27.230
anything crashing through the woods but you know

00:30:27.230 --> 00:30:29.029
at least three feet tall there aren't a lot of

00:30:29.029 --> 00:30:32.609
things in a state with no bears or an area without

00:30:32.609 --> 00:30:35.529
wild hogs that are that big right and usually

00:30:35.529 --> 00:30:37.250
if something is that big it's going to make some

00:30:37.250 --> 00:30:39.119
noise crashing through the woods. It was absolutely

00:30:39.119 --> 00:30:41.339
silent. I wasn't that far away from them. So

00:30:41.339 --> 00:30:45.099
that was day one. Almost 24 hours later, exactly,

00:30:45.339 --> 00:30:48.519
we're out in a side -by -side and the three kids,

00:30:48.519 --> 00:30:50.640
my husband and I, are all in the side -by -side

00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:56.539
and we're moving on the border of a field with

00:30:56.539 --> 00:30:59.019
with woods on our right and the soybean field

00:30:59.019 --> 00:31:01.920
that had just been planted on the left. Suddenly

00:31:01.920 --> 00:31:05.079
my oldest son, my nine -year -old, was like,

00:31:05.079 --> 00:31:08.509
I just saw something move. He's like, well, I

00:31:08.509 --> 00:31:11.470
don't know what it was. It was black and it jumped

00:31:11.470 --> 00:31:13.950
out of a tree and then it hid in the grass. What

00:31:13.950 --> 00:31:17.990
would do that? So, you know, we're like, well,

00:31:18.089 --> 00:31:20.210
was it a snake? You know, thinking something

00:31:20.210 --> 00:31:22.069
black, is it a snake? Was it a raccoon? He's

00:31:22.069 --> 00:31:25.529
like, no, no, it was not. And later I was like,

00:31:25.529 --> 00:31:27.970
all right, tell me what you saw. And he described

00:31:27.970 --> 00:31:32.190
it as just under the height of a doorknob if

00:31:32.190 --> 00:31:34.109
it was standing up. So about three feet tall,

00:31:34.250 --> 00:31:37.609
but covered with hair. And I asked him to tell

00:31:37.609 --> 00:31:40.970
me what the closest animal would be that he saw

00:31:40.970 --> 00:31:43.869
if he compared to something said well it had

00:31:43.869 --> 00:31:46.029
arms it looked like an orangutan. I was like

00:31:46.029 --> 00:31:50.049
what? But he said the fur was so black it was

00:31:50.049 --> 00:31:52.650
like looking like it was like looking at a hole

00:31:52.650 --> 00:31:55.869
only he could see two shiny eyes and I had him

00:31:55.869 --> 00:31:58.029
draw it for me and I did happen to have a camera

00:31:58.029 --> 00:32:00.750
running that while we were out I'd started it

00:32:00.750 --> 00:32:03.609
when we left the house and it was continuously

00:32:03.609 --> 00:32:06.950
running on us and he's he drops immediately drops

00:32:06.950 --> 00:32:10.690
a topic While we're in this side -by -side and

00:32:10.690 --> 00:32:12.990
immediately like I saw something move and he

00:32:12.990 --> 00:32:15.529
starts talking about at that point so I wish

00:32:15.529 --> 00:32:17.529
like heck I'd had another camera that was facing

00:32:17.529 --> 00:32:19.849
out into the woods and we went back out there

00:32:19.849 --> 00:32:21.849
and I did have cameras facing the woods but we

00:32:21.849 --> 00:32:23.869
that was the only time that we saw it but two

00:32:23.869 --> 00:32:29.609
sightings within hours of Something and I asked

00:32:29.609 --> 00:32:31.730
him. Well, do you think maybe it could have been?

00:32:32.359 --> 00:32:36.259
a juvenile Bigfoot. And he liked that idea. Thinking

00:32:36.259 --> 00:32:39.779
about all the sightings now, two of my kids,

00:32:40.160 --> 00:32:41.960
my spouse is like, well, it could have been anything.

00:32:42.299 --> 00:32:44.440
So he's not really sure. He's not convinced.

00:32:44.839 --> 00:32:47.180
And I had one that I know for sure couldn't have

00:32:47.180 --> 00:32:48.839
been explained by anything else. It's a little

00:32:48.839 --> 00:32:51.319
too close to home. What is it about us? That's

00:32:51.319 --> 00:32:53.599
now four out of five of us that I suspect have

00:32:53.599 --> 00:32:57.400
seen something that isn't officially recognized

00:32:57.400 --> 00:32:59.460
in some way. I was wondering if you guys have

00:32:59.460 --> 00:33:03.180
any sort of, do you have any German? On my side,

00:33:03.299 --> 00:33:06.099
not that I'm aware of, but my husband is 75 %

00:33:06.099 --> 00:33:08.500
German ancestry. It's interesting though, that

00:33:08.500 --> 00:33:12.279
you were the one who it was kicked off with your

00:33:12.279 --> 00:33:16.059
experience back in 2001 to now having things

00:33:16.059 --> 00:33:19.079
happen in 2025. I think some people have been

00:33:19.079 --> 00:33:22.339
toying around with the idea of higher consciousness,

00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:25.579
potentially hive mind things. Do you become a

00:33:25.579 --> 00:33:28.240
marked individual after having these things?

00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:32.079
I had a family member, my nanny, she had a sighting,

00:33:32.079 --> 00:33:35.279
and then obviously I've gotten into it and whatnot.

00:33:35.420 --> 00:33:38.660
Does it affect a family lineage or a family tree?

00:33:38.700 --> 00:33:40.980
Do you become marked, so to speak, and you're

00:33:40.980 --> 00:33:44.500
maybe more primed to have these types of things

00:33:44.500 --> 00:33:46.400
and encounters happen? It sounds like you're

00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:50.119
also in some very rural remote areas too. Right,

00:33:50.140 --> 00:33:52.779
right. I mean, the area of woods we were in,

00:33:52.779 --> 00:33:58.299
they do have a hunting lease out there, but it's

00:33:58.299 --> 00:34:03.789
been in the family for 150 years, you know, was

00:34:03.789 --> 00:34:08.150
Sac and Fox Nationland that was briefly sold

00:34:08.150 --> 00:34:12.969
to a railroad and then became the family farmland

00:34:12.969 --> 00:34:14.550
after the fact. But other than that, has been

00:34:14.550 --> 00:34:16.690
continuously in the family. That's not someplace

00:34:16.690 --> 00:34:19.829
where members of the public go because it's private

00:34:19.829 --> 00:34:21.929
land unless they're out there for the hunting

00:34:21.929 --> 00:34:27.070
lease reasons. So, yeah, isolated. Well, in your

00:34:27.070 --> 00:34:30.230
email and without giving away any sort of exact

00:34:30.230 --> 00:34:33.409
location, you said that you found a missing 411

00:34:33.409 --> 00:34:36.610
case that kind of correlated to the same general

00:34:36.610 --> 00:34:39.909
area where one of these sightings occurred. Right.

00:34:40.150 --> 00:34:42.610
So that where my son had his sighting within

00:34:42.610 --> 00:34:45.449
about, if I had to estimate it, I would say within

00:34:45.449 --> 00:34:51.030
about 30 feet, there was a body located in 1965

00:34:51.030 --> 00:34:54.289
associated with missing 411 case that happened.

00:34:54.489 --> 00:34:57.750
on the land which is crazy to think about because

00:34:57.750 --> 00:35:00.710
I mean two very strange experiences happening

00:35:00.710 --> 00:35:03.929
in almost on top of each other separated by 60

00:35:03.929 --> 00:35:06.940
years is just what are the odds, right? It's

00:35:06.940 --> 00:35:09.719
just very strange. What's your theory on all

00:35:09.719 --> 00:35:13.079
this? I know you come from a very science driven

00:35:13.079 --> 00:35:17.079
background, but you also have been exposed to

00:35:17.079 --> 00:35:20.400
some of the folklore and legend. So there's definitely

00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:25.300
something there, a very real creature that and

00:35:25.300 --> 00:35:29.019
why it's not acknowledged. That's the big question,

00:35:29.019 --> 00:35:31.699
isn't it? I really wonder about that. And it's

00:35:31.699 --> 00:35:34.500
interesting that you brought up the marked thought.

00:35:34.590 --> 00:35:36.969
earlier because that has been weighing in the

00:35:36.969 --> 00:35:39.530
back of my mind especially since we just had

00:35:39.530 --> 00:35:42.329
these two sightings now when we went back to

00:35:42.329 --> 00:35:45.210
the Midwest. It's really bothering me somewhat.

00:35:45.269 --> 00:35:48.230
It's like why us? And I've read other instances

00:35:48.230 --> 00:35:52.519
where there there may be families or groups of

00:35:52.519 --> 00:35:55.940
people that have been visited or had some type

00:35:55.940 --> 00:35:57.719
of interaction with something while they're living

00:35:57.719 --> 00:36:00.079
in a remote area they move somewhere else across

00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:02.420
country and then they start to have the same

00:36:02.420 --> 00:36:05.360
things happen when they relocate right and it's

00:36:05.360 --> 00:36:08.420
almost like the locals know that they're in the

00:36:08.420 --> 00:36:10.820
know somehow and so they come up and start messing

00:36:10.820 --> 00:36:14.099
with them i i just i just can't get get rid of

00:36:14.099 --> 00:36:16.599
the thought that maybe once there maybe there's

00:36:16.599 --> 00:36:20.400
a belief aspect to it that once someone has an

00:36:20.400 --> 00:36:23.139
experience or gets to the point where they know

00:36:23.139 --> 00:36:26.239
to some degree or they believe then does the

00:36:26.239 --> 00:36:30.960
belief give it some type of way to to still interact

00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:34.380
or or just i don't know i really don't know maybe

00:36:34.380 --> 00:36:36.000
these things aren't being acknowledged because

00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:37.920
there's a certain amount of danger if people

00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:43.050
did believe yeah So it and and you know I so

00:36:43.050 --> 00:36:45.889
and this is I love folklore because I think you

00:36:45.889 --> 00:36:49.349
can learn things that have a very real explanation

00:36:49.349 --> 00:36:52.650
by Looking into you know, what what did people

00:36:52.650 --> 00:36:56.510
believe before? I mean we always find real scientific

00:36:56.510 --> 00:36:59.230
explanations for phenomenon that weren't understood

00:36:59.230 --> 00:37:02.650
sometimes by looking at at folklore and in mythology

00:37:02.650 --> 00:37:05.650
and legend and things that people believe over

00:37:05.650 --> 00:37:09.050
time I found a book that I'd had for I don't

00:37:09.050 --> 00:37:11.030
even know how long that was called meeting the

00:37:11.030 --> 00:37:13.289
other crowd which I got because it was interesting.

00:37:13.309 --> 00:37:16.550
It was Irish folklore and I got to this section

00:37:16.550 --> 00:37:20.190
of the book and I don't remember that I'd really

00:37:20.190 --> 00:37:22.489
taken note of this before I'd started getting

00:37:22.489 --> 00:37:25.550
into more of the cryptid research but one section

00:37:25.550 --> 00:37:28.730
really stood out and it was this story of Eve

00:37:28.730 --> 00:37:34.210
and that Eve had had children with someone other

00:37:34.210 --> 00:37:37.989
than Adam and hid them from God and God of course

00:37:38.059 --> 00:37:41.639
found out about it because God would know. And

00:37:41.639 --> 00:37:45.059
the response was, well, if you will hide your

00:37:45.059 --> 00:37:47.280
children from me, then I will hide these children

00:37:47.280 --> 00:37:50.480
from man. And I thought that was a really interesting

00:37:50.480 --> 00:37:52.719
thing, you know, just from a folklore aspect

00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:55.039
of it. But that's kind of weird. It is kind of

00:37:55.039 --> 00:37:57.960
weird. And I love that you bring that up, especially

00:37:57.960 --> 00:38:01.239
about the belief aspect. It's like an egregore

00:38:01.239 --> 00:38:04.460
when you put it off. belief and focus. And I

00:38:04.460 --> 00:38:06.539
mean, I believe manifesting is a real thing.

00:38:06.780 --> 00:38:08.940
There's still that belief and that faith that's

00:38:08.940 --> 00:38:11.539
there. And I think that there's a lot of that

00:38:11.539 --> 00:38:15.440
with Bigfoot. And I think if you get enough people

00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:18.440
focusing on something, you can make that a reality.

00:38:18.559 --> 00:38:20.739
I think there's a lot of power in that. And I

00:38:20.739 --> 00:38:23.059
think that energy is a very real thing. I believe

00:38:23.059 --> 00:38:24.579
you focus on the good, the good gets better.

00:38:24.780 --> 00:38:26.780
You focus on all the bad in your life. Well,

00:38:26.920 --> 00:38:29.320
all you're going to see is bad perception is

00:38:29.320 --> 00:38:32.059
reality. So with something like a Bigfoot with

00:38:32.059 --> 00:38:34.760
that belief aspect. Yeah, it absolutely is. And

00:38:34.760 --> 00:38:36.420
then if you want to take it back to the science

00:38:36.420 --> 00:38:39.780
aspect of it, you know, some really the issue

00:38:39.780 --> 00:38:41.960
with with samples that have been collected and

00:38:41.960 --> 00:38:44.480
submitted as they keep being identified as human.

00:38:44.900 --> 00:38:47.019
Right. And one possible reason for that would

00:38:47.019 --> 00:38:49.280
be, well, if if they're so closely related to

00:38:49.280 --> 00:38:52.860
us that we share mitochondrial DNA, then of course

00:38:52.860 --> 00:38:54.929
they're going to look. like they're human, if

00:38:54.929 --> 00:38:58.429
we share mitochondrial Eve, so to speak. So there's

00:38:58.429 --> 00:39:01.170
that part of it too, because the science, if

00:39:01.170 --> 00:39:03.530
we perhaps are closely enough related to them

00:39:03.530 --> 00:39:05.989
that we share mitochondrial DNA by sharing a

00:39:05.989 --> 00:39:09.210
common female ancestor at some point, then it's

00:39:09.210 --> 00:39:11.989
weird to me that, but very interesting, that

00:39:11.989 --> 00:39:14.730
you have the mitochondrial Eve part of it, which

00:39:14.730 --> 00:39:18.570
is very backed up in science. But then there's

00:39:18.570 --> 00:39:21.630
this whole Irish folklore part of Eve and the

00:39:21.630 --> 00:39:24.920
hidden children. Right? So all of us have what's

00:39:24.920 --> 00:39:27.159
called mitochondrial DNA that we inherit from

00:39:27.159 --> 00:39:30.179
our mother. And each woman puts her own stamp

00:39:30.179 --> 00:39:33.039
on mitochondrial DNA that will go to her children.

00:39:33.199 --> 00:39:35.920
So, you know, my children will have a unique

00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:38.960
stamp from my mitochondrial DNA. And if I had

00:39:38.960 --> 00:39:41.079
daughters, then they would put their stamp on

00:39:41.079 --> 00:39:43.519
it. So you can trace your mother's all the way

00:39:43.519 --> 00:39:45.639
back through human history. And at some point

00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:48.920
in time, we all shared a common female ancestor.

00:39:49.099 --> 00:39:53.469
And that is the only mitochondrial DNA that still

00:39:53.469 --> 00:39:56.150
exists, that still receives a stamp from each

00:39:56.150 --> 00:40:00.210
continuous woman in the chain of inheritance,

00:40:00.409 --> 00:40:02.650
so to say. But you know, it can be traced back

00:40:02.650 --> 00:40:05.670
to a single female ancestor at some point in

00:40:05.670 --> 00:40:07.909
time. And the DNA studies that have been done

00:40:07.909 --> 00:40:11.800
suggest that Bigfoot, whatever it may be, shares

00:40:11.800 --> 00:40:15.340
mitochondrial DNA, human mitochondrial DNA, meaning

00:40:15.340 --> 00:40:18.380
that we shared a common female ancestor at some

00:40:18.380 --> 00:40:21.119
point. What's also interesting is that there

00:40:21.119 --> 00:40:24.440
have been unidentified matches on the nuclear

00:40:24.440 --> 00:40:27.420
DNA side, so that's DNA that doesn't necessarily

00:40:27.420 --> 00:40:31.420
come from... the mother, so to say. And recently

00:40:31.420 --> 00:40:34.059
there's been some news about three -parent babies

00:40:34.059 --> 00:40:37.500
that are being made with some genetic engineering

00:40:37.500 --> 00:40:40.539
technology where you would use an egg, a donor

00:40:40.539 --> 00:40:44.250
egg with... the mother's mitochondrial DNA associated

00:40:44.250 --> 00:40:47.789
with that donor egg. And the nuclear DNA is basically

00:40:47.789 --> 00:40:51.409
fertilized with nuclear DNA from another woman

00:40:51.409 --> 00:40:54.429
and a man who are, for whatever reason, they

00:40:54.429 --> 00:40:57.210
can't use the woman's mitochondrial DNA. So you

00:40:57.210 --> 00:40:59.789
now have these three parent, so to say, babies

00:40:59.789 --> 00:41:01.630
that are being produced. That's a new thing in

00:41:01.630 --> 00:41:04.550
the news, but I hope that's a decent enough explanation.

00:41:05.269 --> 00:41:08.269
It certainly is. Now, you have any just off the

00:41:08.269 --> 00:41:12.289
cuff thoughts on what that unidentified DNA could

00:41:12.289 --> 00:41:14.710
be? Do you have any theories on that? I really

00:41:14.710 --> 00:41:17.969
don't. It could be another type of human. Certainly

00:41:17.969 --> 00:41:20.269
some of the things that have been published on

00:41:20.269 --> 00:41:23.030
the DNA results have been really interesting

00:41:23.030 --> 00:41:25.389
and I really wasn't a part of those studies so

00:41:25.389 --> 00:41:28.429
I'm not sure I feel comfortable necessarily speaking

00:41:28.429 --> 00:41:30.889
about that. But one thing I'd really like to

00:41:30.889 --> 00:41:34.389
see is hopefully it would be great to see researchers

00:41:34.389 --> 00:41:38.340
able to get DNA samples in some way and and maybe

00:41:38.340 --> 00:41:41.300
get some more maybe more of a bank of information

00:41:41.300 --> 00:41:43.619
out there so that way we could look at it and

00:41:43.619 --> 00:41:46.800
what what I would really like to do is identify

00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:50.440
um you know get have some DNA samples that are

00:41:50.440 --> 00:41:53.559
collected in a way that meets scientific rigor

00:41:53.559 --> 00:41:56.179
right meets some kind of a standard and is able

00:41:56.179 --> 00:41:59.280
to be corroborated across locations but has unique

00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:02.000
sequences that wouldn't be compatible with life

00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:04.380
as we know it traditionally with a human. If

00:42:04.380 --> 00:42:07.019
we find something like that And we also see that

00:42:07.019 --> 00:42:09.940
the mitochondrial DNA is shared. Then I think

00:42:09.940 --> 00:42:11.820
it would help to support maybe some of the work

00:42:11.820 --> 00:42:14.119
that's already been done in which maybe we've

00:42:14.119 --> 00:42:15.760
had samples that have been written off because

00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:17.679
the mitochondrial DNA has been human. And so

00:42:17.679 --> 00:42:20.059
they're automatically, well, this is human DNA

00:42:20.059 --> 00:42:21.900
that we're seeing here. These must be contaminated

00:42:21.900 --> 00:42:24.840
samples. lab that that would be their first thing

00:42:24.840 --> 00:42:26.800
they would argue would be that cross contamination.

00:42:27.400 --> 00:42:29.039
Absolutely. That's the first thing that any lab

00:42:29.039 --> 00:42:31.480
is going to suggest because while we see human

00:42:31.480 --> 00:42:33.639
mitochondrial DNA here, therefore we know this

00:42:33.639 --> 00:42:35.800
is a contaminated sample. They're not going to

00:42:35.800 --> 00:42:37.559
be thinking, well, maybe this is something that's

00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:39.559
so closely related to a human that we share a

00:42:39.559 --> 00:42:42.880
common ancestor. In your email, you talked about

00:42:42.880 --> 00:42:46.739
how you had some unexplainable noises that happened

00:42:46.739 --> 00:42:49.340
to you when you were out in some various locations.

00:42:49.719 --> 00:42:52.440
Now, when you say that, are you talking about

00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:56.039
are we still on the Bigfoot vein here or are

00:42:56.039 --> 00:42:58.840
we drifting into maybe the paranormal? Well,

00:42:58.900 --> 00:43:01.539
where I'm thinking is, you know, I've had some

00:43:01.539 --> 00:43:03.480
things that I haven't been able to explain from

00:43:03.480 --> 00:43:07.340
traveling. So I mentioned earlier that, you know,

00:43:07.340 --> 00:43:10.110
I've really had two experiences that I can't

00:43:10.110 --> 00:43:13.389
explain, but bothered me to some degree. The

00:43:13.389 --> 00:43:16.210
cryptociting bothered me because I'd seen something

00:43:16.210 --> 00:43:18.710
that could clearly overpower me that was out

00:43:18.710 --> 00:43:20.949
in the woods. The other experience that I had

00:43:20.949 --> 00:43:24.050
that I really have a hard time dealing with sometimes

00:43:24.050 --> 00:43:27.250
was actually a hotel stay when I was a consultant

00:43:27.250 --> 00:43:30.110
and I was traveling. I happened to be coming

00:43:30.110 --> 00:43:31.969
back from some field work in the New Orleans

00:43:31.969 --> 00:43:34.639
area. This would have been about It was either

00:43:34.639 --> 00:43:37.900
2008 or 2009 timeframe. I almost think it was

00:43:37.900 --> 00:43:42.480
2009. If you're familiar with the formaldehyde

00:43:42.480 --> 00:43:46.340
sampling and mobile homes and manufactured trailers

00:43:46.340 --> 00:43:48.559
that was in the news, I was involved with that

00:43:48.559 --> 00:43:51.179
project for sampling trailers for formaldehyde.

00:43:51.380 --> 00:43:53.760
And I was doing that for a period of years out

00:43:53.760 --> 00:43:56.519
in that. in that area. But anyway, I was on my

00:43:56.519 --> 00:43:59.920
way coming back to Florida from New Orleans and

00:43:59.920 --> 00:44:02.679
I had to get a hotel room in the New Orleans

00:44:02.679 --> 00:44:05.659
area before flying out the next morning. And

00:44:05.659 --> 00:44:08.860
I was staying in a place called the Maison St.

00:44:09.079 --> 00:44:11.369
Charles, which was on St. Charles. You know,

00:44:11.429 --> 00:44:12.909
if you've ever been to New Orleans, it's in the

00:44:12.909 --> 00:44:15.889
Garden District or close to it. Well, I had a

00:44:15.889 --> 00:44:17.769
hard time locating my room and I got there relatively

00:44:17.769 --> 00:44:19.909
late that night and I had all of my inspection

00:44:19.909 --> 00:44:21.750
and sampling equipment with me. So I was lugging

00:44:21.750 --> 00:44:24.010
around all these extra cases and really getting

00:44:24.010 --> 00:44:26.110
sort of impatient. And eventually I found my

00:44:26.110 --> 00:44:28.750
room and it was an entire wing of, you know,

00:44:28.929 --> 00:44:31.469
kind of an isolated building area of the hotel,

00:44:31.510 --> 00:44:33.840
which I didn't expect at all because the price

00:44:33.840 --> 00:44:35.980
that I was paying was dirt cheap to be getting

00:44:35.980 --> 00:44:37.460
what I was getting out of it. You know, it had

00:44:37.460 --> 00:44:40.400
a very formal sitting room. It had two bathrooms.

00:44:40.739 --> 00:44:44.260
The bedroom was very nice and, you know, it had

00:44:44.260 --> 00:44:47.119
no windows in it and it had these sort of French

00:44:47.119 --> 00:44:49.360
doors that you could isolate the room off from

00:44:49.360 --> 00:44:51.840
from the rest of the suite. and I just couldn't

00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:53.599
believe what I was getting for that price and

00:44:53.599 --> 00:44:56.360
so I actually broke out my video camera and I

00:44:56.360 --> 00:44:58.599
started filming the room like oh man this room's

00:44:58.599 --> 00:45:00.519
got to be haunted for the deal I'm getting on

00:45:00.519 --> 00:45:02.599
it and you know again sort of being obnoxious

00:45:02.599 --> 00:45:04.800
like I was when I was making the scat jokes on

00:45:04.800 --> 00:45:06.840
the for sampling for Bigfoot on the mountain

00:45:06.840 --> 00:45:09.559
anyway. So I get to my room and usually I think

00:45:09.559 --> 00:45:11.579
it's a great thing if my room is completely dark

00:45:11.579 --> 00:45:13.880
and this one was, you know, because I could isolate

00:45:13.880 --> 00:45:15.940
it with those French doors. So it's about three

00:45:15.940 --> 00:45:18.739
in the morning and I hear this what seemed to

00:45:18.739 --> 00:45:20.900
me like a deafening noise that was happening

00:45:20.900 --> 00:45:23.599
almost over my bed and it seemed like a really

00:45:23.599 --> 00:45:26.769
tall person. was over my bed holding a loud speaker

00:45:26.769 --> 00:45:30.989
that was making this loud static noise like blasting

00:45:30.989 --> 00:45:33.610
a noise like it was almost like a combination

00:45:33.610 --> 00:45:36.050
of if you were like crumpling wrapping paper

00:45:36.050 --> 00:45:37.849
really loud like after Christmas and there's

00:45:37.849 --> 00:45:39.969
a pile of wrapping paper or like static from

00:45:39.969 --> 00:45:42.929
a TV but it went from no noise at all to this

00:45:42.929 --> 00:45:46.230
blasting noise like immediately over my bed and

00:45:46.230 --> 00:45:48.550
I was terrified because I thought someone was

00:45:48.550 --> 00:45:51.389
in the room and I was about to get into a fight

00:45:51.389 --> 00:45:54.340
to defend myself so I'm very nearsighted and

00:45:54.340 --> 00:45:56.320
I'm fumbling around the nightstand trying to

00:45:56.320 --> 00:45:58.079
find my glasses because as soon as I get the

00:45:58.079 --> 00:46:00.079
glasses on my face I'm turning the light on and

00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:02.820
I'm gonna deal with whatever whomever is in my

00:46:02.820 --> 00:46:05.659
room because I'm sure there's a person standing

00:46:05.659 --> 00:46:08.019
over the foot of my bed. I get my glasses, I

00:46:08.019 --> 00:46:09.699
throw them on my face, turn on the light and

00:46:09.699 --> 00:46:13.559
the noise immediately stops. And I had no idea

00:46:13.559 --> 00:46:16.860
what to do or what that was. I was wide awake

00:46:16.860 --> 00:46:19.650
at that point. I had all of my inspection equipment

00:46:19.650 --> 00:46:22.429
with me. So I, you know, I got dressed. I got

00:46:22.429 --> 00:46:24.110
dressed and basically ready to go because I wasn't

00:46:24.110 --> 00:46:25.730
going to be sleeping at that point. I tore the

00:46:25.730 --> 00:46:28.650
room apart trying to find any kind of an explanation

00:46:28.650 --> 00:46:32.570
for the noise. Couldn't find it. It was really

00:46:32.570 --> 00:46:35.309
disturbing. And it bothered me after the fact

00:46:35.309 --> 00:46:37.570
to the point that, you know, I started Googling

00:46:37.570 --> 00:46:41.150
that room. I happened to be staying in room 126.

00:46:42.170 --> 00:46:44.579
I'll never forget it. I come to find out the

00:46:44.579 --> 00:46:46.980
Louisiana State Paranormal Society had done an

00:46:46.980 --> 00:46:49.199
investigation in that room, calling it the Devil's

00:46:49.199 --> 00:46:53.139
Room. There was an account of a bride -to -be

00:46:53.139 --> 00:46:55.980
who was brutally murdered on her wedding night,

00:46:56.179 --> 00:46:58.780
apparently in that suite that I had been staying

00:46:58.780 --> 00:47:00.659
in. I don't know if there's any truth to it.

00:47:00.860 --> 00:47:03.000
But then also, you know, there is this story

00:47:03.000 --> 00:47:06.159
that the devil himself owned that hotel and had

00:47:06.159 --> 00:47:08.699
a mistress who lived there. with him who ended

00:47:08.699 --> 00:47:11.460
up being unfaithful and he the devil of course

00:47:11.460 --> 00:47:13.360
found out about this because you can't hide something

00:47:13.360 --> 00:47:15.980
like that and killed this woman and her lover

00:47:15.980 --> 00:47:18.059
and you know threw them out into the street and

00:47:18.059 --> 00:47:19.800
I found all sorts of things but they were all

00:47:19.800 --> 00:47:21.820
based on that room that I was staying in and

00:47:21.820 --> 00:47:23.920
so then I tried to see if they were still letting

00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:25.500
people stay in the room and at that point in

00:47:25.500 --> 00:47:27.679
time I checked like more than a year out so I

00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:29.500
don't know if they let anyone stay there anymore

00:47:29.500 --> 00:47:31.719
but there was something definitely wrong with

00:47:31.719 --> 00:47:34.280
that room that I periodically would when I couldn't

00:47:34.280 --> 00:47:35.980
sleep and I was thinking about it, I would Google

00:47:35.980 --> 00:47:37.840
the room. And so I found all of these things

00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:41.500
on it. So yeah, unexplained noise, certainly

00:47:41.500 --> 00:47:44.280
couldn't explain it. It was, it was, yeah, it

00:47:44.280 --> 00:47:46.900
just, it just really got to me. And, and then

00:47:46.900 --> 00:47:49.079
to find all of these things that corroborated

00:47:49.079 --> 00:47:51.019
some certainly something strange happening in

00:47:51.019 --> 00:47:53.099
the same, in the very same room, who knows. That

00:47:53.099 --> 00:47:55.239
is really crazy. It sounds like you definitely

00:47:55.239 --> 00:47:58.639
encountered some kind of energy, whether it be

00:47:59.480 --> 00:48:03.219
spirit or a poltergeist or an angry bride or

00:48:03.219 --> 00:48:05.820
maybe even the devil himself. But it sounds like

00:48:05.820 --> 00:48:08.960
you definitely got the haunted hotel special.

00:48:09.260 --> 00:48:11.480
Yeah, definitely the haunted hotel special. I

00:48:11.480 --> 00:48:14.079
drove a coworker past the outside of the building

00:48:14.079 --> 00:48:16.739
after the fact, and he was really creeped out,

00:48:16.739 --> 00:48:18.420
you know, just even looking at the building from

00:48:18.420 --> 00:48:20.320
the outside. I was like, yeah, that's that's

00:48:20.320 --> 00:48:22.719
where this happened. I mean, it is New Orleans,

00:48:22.719 --> 00:48:25.219
so that doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

00:48:25.360 --> 00:48:27.559
And how you were saying you made another joke.

00:48:28.000 --> 00:48:29.900
Maybe you're not making jokes. Maybe you're just

00:48:29.900 --> 00:48:33.380
having little premonitions. Maybe I'm. vocalizing

00:48:33.380 --> 00:48:36.000
something that seems a little bit off and I'm

00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:38.599
trying to laugh it off. Yeah, it could be onto

00:48:38.599 --> 00:48:41.639
something there. I always say if you can laugh

00:48:41.639 --> 00:48:46.079
about it, you can get through it. And I think

00:48:46.079 --> 00:48:48.260
people would probably tell me I'm a serious but

00:48:48.260 --> 00:48:50.340
I'm also like a not serious person at the same

00:48:50.340 --> 00:48:53.199
time. And I think you have to have humor in some

00:48:53.199 --> 00:48:56.079
of these situations. So I think I would be right

00:48:56.079 --> 00:48:58.880
there with you probably cracking jokes and then

00:48:58.880 --> 00:49:01.380
being scared when things started popping off.

00:49:02.079 --> 00:49:04.099
I think maybe you have a sixth sense and you're,

00:49:04.219 --> 00:49:05.900
you just don't know it yet. Yeah. Well, you know

00:49:05.900 --> 00:49:08.099
what? It could be, it could be just a, a feeling

00:49:08.099 --> 00:49:11.000
that something is off and trying to make light

00:49:11.000 --> 00:49:13.019
of it and deal with it in some way. And then,

00:49:13.019 --> 00:49:15.880
and then the stuff hits the fan. You're, you're

00:49:15.880 --> 00:49:20.039
trying to cope using dark humor. Yeah. You could,

00:49:20.139 --> 00:49:21.719
you could be onto something there. I'd never

00:49:21.719 --> 00:49:23.599
thought of it that way before, but there could

00:49:23.599 --> 00:49:26.480
be something to that. Well, you know, In addition

00:49:26.480 --> 00:49:28.960
to noises, I have stayed in a couple of other

00:49:28.960 --> 00:49:31.119
rooms where things moved on their own that I

00:49:31.119 --> 00:49:33.980
haven't been able to explain. There was, and

00:49:33.980 --> 00:49:35.980
it's interesting too because in two of those

00:49:35.980 --> 00:49:38.239
locations, the exact same thing happened only

00:49:38.239 --> 00:49:40.619
I was staying in a different place. So old, old

00:49:40.619 --> 00:49:43.539
cabin in Colorado, you know, the lights. So I

00:49:43.539 --> 00:49:46.679
kept falling asleep at night and I would be reading

00:49:46.679 --> 00:49:48.699
a book and the lights, I'd fall asleep with the

00:49:48.699 --> 00:49:51.300
lights on and wake up and realize that the lights

00:49:51.300 --> 00:49:53.820
were off. And I thought my roommate was turning

00:49:53.820 --> 00:49:56.710
them off and This went on for about a week or

00:49:56.710 --> 00:49:58.989
two and I said something to her. I'm like, hey,

00:49:59.070 --> 00:50:01.369
by the way, you know, because we didn't really

00:50:01.369 --> 00:50:04.429
have doors on the entrances to our rooms. We

00:50:04.429 --> 00:50:06.150
had these kind of curtain things. So it'd be

00:50:06.150 --> 00:50:08.449
easy enough for if it was bothering her and she

00:50:08.449 --> 00:50:09.869
was on her way to the restroom or something,

00:50:09.869 --> 00:50:12.110
she could just, you know, reach in a couple inches

00:50:12.110 --> 00:50:13.829
and flick the light off if it was in the middle

00:50:13.829 --> 00:50:15.329
of the night. And clearly I'd fallen asleep.

00:50:15.809 --> 00:50:17.610
It's like, hey, by the way, thanks for turning

00:50:17.610 --> 00:50:19.010
the light off. I'm sorry if that's been bothering

00:50:19.010 --> 00:50:20.550
you. And she just looked at me weird. She's like,

00:50:20.710 --> 00:50:22.349
I haven't been turning your light off. Like,

00:50:22.349 --> 00:50:26.639
OK. And that spooked both of us out. And the

00:50:26.639 --> 00:50:29.460
same roommate, same summer, one morning we woke

00:50:29.460 --> 00:50:31.500
up and we discovered that the attic hatch on

00:50:31.500 --> 00:50:34.320
the porch had completely opened somehow in the

00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:37.400
middle of the night. It took us putting a chair

00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:39.920
on top of a table to even get to the attic hatch

00:50:39.920 --> 00:50:43.139
to close it. It made a lot of noise and it was

00:50:43.139 --> 00:50:46.659
heavy and it took some trouble for us to get

00:50:46.659 --> 00:50:49.460
there. And it was an old cabin with kind of a

00:50:49.460 --> 00:50:52.889
creaking porch and a screen door that was latched,

00:50:53.030 --> 00:50:54.530
it would have taken a lot of noise and effort

00:50:54.530 --> 00:50:56.289
for somebody to come in there and do that. So

00:50:56.289 --> 00:50:58.550
we couldn't explain how on earth the attic hatch

00:50:58.550 --> 00:51:01.489
happened to open on its own in the middle of

00:51:01.489 --> 00:51:04.289
the night without us hearing it and hearing or

00:51:04.289 --> 00:51:06.469
hearing something, especially considering the

00:51:06.469 --> 00:51:08.449
amount of trouble that we had to go to to shut

00:51:08.449 --> 00:51:11.289
it. But what's interesting is several years later,

00:51:11.429 --> 00:51:14.409
I'm in New Orleans, I'm staying in a bed and

00:51:14.409 --> 00:51:16.590
breakfast in the garden area, garden district

00:51:16.590 --> 00:51:19.980
again. Different place. This was the Maison Perrier

00:51:19.980 --> 00:51:24.380
instead of the Maison St. Charles. Anyway, I

00:51:24.380 --> 00:51:27.079
was staying in a nice room and the lights were

00:51:27.079 --> 00:51:29.179
turning off by themselves at night again. Don't

00:51:29.179 --> 00:51:31.360
know. I didn't feel threatened in that sense

00:51:31.360 --> 00:51:33.500
like I did with the other experience with the

00:51:33.500 --> 00:51:36.420
noise. I almost felt like something was maybe

00:51:36.420 --> 00:51:38.440
looking out for me. Kind of like a, oh I'll turn

00:51:38.440 --> 00:51:40.500
out the lights for you kind of thing. But it

00:51:40.500 --> 00:51:42.239
was weird because it was the same thing that

00:51:42.239 --> 00:51:46.139
had been happening in the other location. I don't

00:51:46.139 --> 00:51:47.840
know. But there was another room in the same

00:51:47.840 --> 00:51:50.599
place that they called the sports ghost room

00:51:50.599 --> 00:51:53.440
because there was an odor of cigars and the TV

00:51:53.440 --> 00:51:55.219
would turn on by itself and always be playing

00:51:55.219 --> 00:51:57.860
a sports station. I had some coworkers that absolutely

00:51:57.860 --> 00:52:00.039
refused to stay anywhere near that room because

00:52:00.039 --> 00:52:02.639
they were bothered by it. One of them ended up

00:52:02.639 --> 00:52:05.480
having an instance of sleep paralysis in the

00:52:05.480 --> 00:52:08.610
middle of the night in the TV. was on and he

00:52:08.610 --> 00:52:10.489
didn't remember turning it on but wasn't sure

00:52:10.489 --> 00:52:12.650
if you know maybe he just did it on accident

00:52:12.650 --> 00:52:14.309
but after the fact considering we'd heard all

00:52:14.309 --> 00:52:16.329
the stories about the tv turning on by itself

00:52:16.329 --> 00:52:20.969
who knows that's so scary yeah it's weird sleep

00:52:20.969 --> 00:52:23.489
paralysis i've never had that and i i pray that

00:52:23.489 --> 00:52:25.789
i never do i really hope i never have that that

00:52:25.789 --> 00:52:28.469
just sounds horrifying yeah the stories from

00:52:28.469 --> 00:52:31.570
it are absolutely terrifying right right especially

00:52:31.570 --> 00:52:34.090
when someone sees an entity or something like

00:52:34.090 --> 00:52:36.650
that and they can't move. I just can't imagine

00:52:36.650 --> 00:52:39.210
something like that. I hope I never experience

00:52:39.210 --> 00:52:41.550
it. Likewise. Yeah, I definitely don't want to

00:52:41.550 --> 00:52:43.489
experience that. But with a couple of the things

00:52:43.489 --> 00:52:45.590
you've talked about tonight, I don't think we'll

00:52:45.590 --> 00:52:47.650
find the answer to at least today, but something

00:52:47.650 --> 00:52:49.570
that will definitely be lingering in my mind

00:52:49.570 --> 00:52:52.670
and I'm sure yours, but the idea of similar things

00:52:52.670 --> 00:52:56.750
happening in different locations. Right. How?

00:52:56.929 --> 00:53:00.329
Why? Yeah, the ability of something to seem to

00:53:00.329 --> 00:53:02.909
follow someone over thousands of miles. Or is

00:53:02.909 --> 00:53:04.909
it just that they're more open to it? It's happened

00:53:04.909 --> 00:53:06.530
to them so they're more likely to notice it?

00:53:06.630 --> 00:53:08.409
Because I think that maybe things happen to people

00:53:08.409 --> 00:53:11.210
all the time and they just don't notice it or

00:53:11.210 --> 00:53:13.969
they write it off as a normal thing and forget

00:53:13.969 --> 00:53:17.170
about it. Maybe that's the case. I think that

00:53:17.170 --> 00:53:20.360
the cryptid... Cases are certainly very interesting

00:53:20.360 --> 00:53:23.099
because there have been so many accounts that

00:53:23.099 --> 00:53:27.519
have similar types of occurrences and maybe evidence

00:53:27.519 --> 00:53:30.139
that seems to line up, maybe apply different

00:53:30.139 --> 00:53:32.179
techniques, learn about different equipment that

00:53:32.179 --> 00:53:34.139
can be used. What I'm really trying to do is

00:53:34.139 --> 00:53:37.599
find some reliable locations that are not accessible

00:53:37.599 --> 00:53:39.980
by the public where I can put monitoring equipment

00:53:39.980 --> 00:53:42.800
that I've used professionally for work reasons

00:53:42.800 --> 00:53:44.719
when I'm monitoring working environments for

00:53:44.719 --> 00:53:47.440
different exposures for things. what I would

00:53:47.440 --> 00:53:49.900
like to do is get some type of evidence that

00:53:49.900 --> 00:53:52.739
for example sound frequencies if we can if we

00:53:52.739 --> 00:53:55.059
can document the full sound frequency of something

00:53:55.059 --> 00:53:58.800
and that for sure is outside of being produced

00:53:58.800 --> 00:54:02.219
by human vocal cords and doesn't align with anything

00:54:02.219 --> 00:54:05.360
in databases that we have for vocalizations for

00:54:05.360 --> 00:54:09.519
other known creatures. That becomes evidence

00:54:09.519 --> 00:54:11.880
that's really hard to dismiss or argue with.

00:54:12.280 --> 00:54:14.159
So I'm looking for avenues like that, but what

00:54:14.159 --> 00:54:17.500
can we do as a community to find things that

00:54:17.500 --> 00:54:20.400
can be documented that put together a case and

00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:24.650
maybe develop standards? techniques and ways

00:54:24.650 --> 00:54:27.170
to evaluate the phenomenon so that way we've

00:54:27.170 --> 00:54:31.289
got more of a solid case and some official recognition.

00:54:31.590 --> 00:54:33.750
That certainly would be nice. Yeah, definitely.

00:54:36.010 --> 00:54:39.650
I've really just psychologically felt so much

00:54:39.650 --> 00:54:42.170
relief from getting to know others that have

00:54:42.170 --> 00:54:44.269
had similar experiences as we've talked about,

00:54:44.469 --> 00:54:47.170
but also getting to know other researchers and

00:54:47.170 --> 00:54:50.699
being able to share. techniques and discuss what

00:54:50.699 --> 00:54:53.760
labs to use and really be able to compare and

00:54:53.760 --> 00:54:57.119
contrast different methods of how to study and

00:54:57.119 --> 00:55:00.369
collect evidence and documentation. putting things

00:55:00.369 --> 00:55:02.949
together in a formal way that would be recognized

00:55:02.949 --> 00:55:05.329
as a paper that would be publishable, you know,

00:55:05.409 --> 00:55:08.070
that to me is is fantastic. And I can't wait

00:55:08.070 --> 00:55:10.070
to see where the field goes because I just feel

00:55:10.070 --> 00:55:11.809
like there's so many exciting things happening

00:55:11.809 --> 00:55:15.230
right now. I really think that we are on the

00:55:15.230 --> 00:55:18.070
precipice of something great. And I think that

00:55:18.070 --> 00:55:21.710
this community has only just begun to show the

00:55:21.710 --> 00:55:25.050
world what it is capable of. I think that. the

00:55:25.050 --> 00:55:28.190
research that's being done even just across the

00:55:28.190 --> 00:55:31.190
United States and the world into cryptozoology

00:55:31.190 --> 00:55:33.530
and specifically the phenomena of Sasquatch.

00:55:33.710 --> 00:55:35.829
It's challenging everything that we think we

00:55:35.829 --> 00:55:38.210
know. I think we really are building something

00:55:38.210 --> 00:55:41.250
great just as a collective. This is just the

00:55:41.250 --> 00:55:45.050
beginning. Yeah, I agree. It's a really exciting

00:55:45.050 --> 00:55:47.710
time, I feel like. And also, you know, the fact

00:55:47.710 --> 00:55:50.110
that you have people like me who wouldn't have

00:55:50.110 --> 00:55:52.969
spoken out five years ago that now I'm comfortable

00:55:52.969 --> 00:55:56.139
talking about it. that level of support I don't

00:55:56.139 --> 00:55:58.659
think was there. It seems as if something has

00:55:58.659 --> 00:56:01.500
shifted to make it suddenly more acceptable of

00:56:01.500 --> 00:56:05.579
a topic. So I'm encouraged by that. But I really

00:56:05.579 --> 00:56:07.300
appreciate the opportunity to be on your show.

00:56:07.440 --> 00:56:09.840
I've really enjoyed listening to your podcast

00:56:09.840 --> 00:56:13.639
and yeah, it's really been great. Thank you so

00:56:13.639 --> 00:56:15.559
much. Thank you. Thanks for hanging out with

00:56:15.559 --> 00:56:17.780
me tonight. I know that the listeners are going

00:56:17.780 --> 00:56:31.989
to love this. That concludes another episode

00:56:31.989 --> 00:56:35.110
of Dark Florida. Thank you so much for joining

00:56:35.110 --> 00:56:38.469
me on this strange and fascinating ride. And

00:56:38.469 --> 00:56:41.070
a huge thank you again to Rachel for sharing

00:56:41.070 --> 00:56:44.829
her stories, insight, and that wild blend of

00:56:44.829 --> 00:56:47.809
science and mystery that helps keep us all on

00:56:47.809 --> 00:56:50.530
our toes. If you've had your own unexplained

00:56:50.530 --> 00:56:54.440
encounter, Bigfoot, cryptids, ghosts. or anything

00:56:54.440 --> 00:56:57.679
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00:57:33.480 --> 00:57:36.699
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00:57:36.699 --> 00:57:40.539
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00:57:40.539 --> 00:57:44.139
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00:57:44.139 --> 00:57:47.719
signing off from the shadows. Stay curious and

00:57:47.719 --> 00:57:51.050
stay strange. you