Welcome to Art Unframed. I'm Vulcan, and together
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Hey Kafani, how are you? Hi, I'm fine. I'm fighting
the urge to sleep. Seriously, I think. We should
even move this stuff to maybe later in the morning
or something like that. Because this afternoon
scene is always giving me this siesta type of
vibes. Like I want to sleep. Yes, because I'm
sleepy. I'm so tired. I was going to sleep by
like 1pm, but I was like, no, let me not betray
you. Because as soon as I slept there. Yes. Exactly
what happened the last time is going to happen
again. Yeah, so I said let me shine my eyes.
It's true, you're pretty safe. I need chicken
wings. Spicy chicken wings. I'll tell you what
happened to me that last weekend when I was throwing
that chicken. You know, the five -pound kind
of tumbled on my leg. Ah, sorry. I hope it didn't
fall on you. It fell on my leg, actually. But
it didn't burn me. I just quickly put salt on
it and on it. So it didn't burn me. But it stings
for that night. It's like I paid the price of
fried chicken with my leg. So I just passed it.
So welcome back to Art Unframed. I'm Vulcan.
And right here with me is Kafani my Cohost. Tonight
we are talking about something a little weird.
What if the internet disappeared tomorrow? No
social media. No notifications. No endless scrolling
in our timelines. Just silence. Imagine waking
up one morning and realizing that our Wi -Fi,
our network is totally gone. It's not broken.
It's just gone. I would remove. Would people
finally look up from their screens? Would we
start talking again? Like not sending a WhatsApp
message or sending a text message, not posting
a Twitter post or Instagram post or TikTok videos,
just talking real life. I keep thinking about
how much of our life exists in a place we can't
even touch. Our hearts, our thoughts. Our memories,
even our arguments, they all live in this cloud,
iCloud or whatever cloud we are on. Cloud that
we don't even own. And I wonder if that cloud
disappeared, would we disappear too? Or would
something better return? Maybe we paint again
just to feel something. Or maybe music will sound
different, less perfect, or more human. Maybe
people will write letters again. And sometimes
I think the internet gave us a stage that took
away our silence. It made us loud, but not always
heard. So tonight, if the internet disappeared,
would that survive? But we, this is not just
a question. It's a reflection on how much we
depend on being seen, like shared and saved.
All right. So I don't want this to be a one -way
conversation, Kafani. So. What's your thoughts
on this? Like, I'll start with an easy one. Like,
what's the first thing you're going to do if
the internet just vanished tomorrow? Hi, everyone.
I'm Kafani, the co -host of this space. And
welcome to season three. Eh? Welcome to season
two, three of Adful Friends. so if the internet
should disappear one day i feel like i'll first
of all be confused like and be like panicked
and be like oh my god that's most of the things
i've built are like digitally like my content
are digitally i've been writing all this and
yapping stuff on chain so like if somebody should
like say um kafani oh what of the content you
say you make all those your videography everything
like where are they can i see them i always just
pull up my instagram on my tiktok so imagine
the internet disappears like what would i do
like i'll have to start afresh because sometimes
i even delete the videos on my phone and i'm
like oh they're on the internet they're on instagram
they're forever there like i can show my children
my grandchildren like see how your grand mommy
was like what does he get but like when the internet
disappears it takes away a lot of them things
for me because i already said i'm saving my stuff
on the internet and i just feel like it should
just be weird because like i will first question
what will i do with my life because what will
i do with my life like my friends how do i reach
out my friends am i supposed to send pigeons
to their house how do i email like to just be
crazy i feel like the world will be destabilized
honestly yeah it will be destabilized because
The funny thing is that I don't know what I would
be doing if the internet vanished because like
right from, I don't know, maybe when, since I
was in secondary school or something, like I'm
always using my phone to do something. I was
using my phone to, yeah, WhatsApp message. Like
there was even one particular time that I got,
it's actually a joke too. Like in secondary school,
they were kind of like giving out. And they just
like, they gave me an award for always online,
which I found weird. But it was one of those
things. If the internet disappeared, what would
I be doing? I feel like I would be reading a
book because I would possibly be reading a novel.
I would be drawing. Like, yeah, because I used
to draw when I was bored. I feel like that's
also something I will be doing. I would actually
be really talking to people. Like apart from
virtually, physically, I'm going to be talking
to people and I think I'm going to go out more.
So would you miss memes or music more? What are
you going to miss about the internet specifically?
well i feel like i would not say that i i would
miss music because there were cds they were um
all those um airport thingy i don't know what
they call them but like saying that people used
to listen to music in the olden days in the 80s
so i'm sure that would just revert back but i
will not say i i would actually miss memes but
like what can i do people survived without memes
in the olden days and we survived without memes
Do you know how many legendary memes were created
in 10 years? Like, five years or so? All my purple
memes, I would just save them to my phone. Like,
I would watch memes and then save them. I don't
know, I'll try to make a way. Because, like...
I think you're going to make creative ways in
making memes. Like, you know the way these people
create their sign language? Will you just possibly
try to give me that way? Or what do you think?
yeah i feel like we'll find a way to like overcome
that meme stuff like it's not um it's not going
to be like be stressful like that's not always
be a problem honestly i don't think it's going
to be a problem about the memes because we'll
find a way they will even make a painting like
a mona lisa kind of me from biopainting like
we'll find a way it's just like it's not go viral
but like word of mouth actually spreads and so
faster like all those touches and hair story
and everything i feel like we'll find a way it's
just the um how do people get viral without the
internet i mean you know the way all this word
of mouth fairy tale stories and all those tales
by moonlight word of mouth plays a big role It
is a big rule. You don't used to hear some amoebas
when you're not even online from somebody's mouth.
And then you will not proceed to give the amoebas
to another person. And it's something funny.
So I feel like word of mouth will just help it
spread, honestly. Yeah. Even that Tales of Moon
by Moonlight story used to like... used to like
um have different variation in different cities
he gets yeah i think that's one of the things
about word of mouth like soon like when the information
gets to another person it changes it changes
context like when that person is telling another
person it's kind of like a different story maybe
the person heard it in a different way or he
had a different opinion about it and then he
added his own it's just like their story of i
don't know if you are familiar with this story
that people are people know about in boarding
school especially people that went to boarding
school um yeah yeah i was just like i would like
they didn't have internet at that time like but
that story traveled far it traveled like even
apart from nigeria it traveled in different places
in west africa and other places like like i'm
just wondering how that story traveled that far
without the internet it went very they moved
movie of it so they made a movie yeah they just
made the movie of it was literally the body that
went to body square that's it's a story about
the lake and the way they had it is different
versions at the same time but still like the
same physical features of someone trying to scare
another person well yeah i i just find it very
amazing yeah i feel like the world just have
to just um will i say evolve back or evolved
evolve forward without the internet because life
goes on even without the internet so we'll just
move on and find ways to be ways to like um adapt
you get because you have been even even if we
are not like the strongest we are very very flexible
and we adapt to any situation so i feel like
people will just be like so angry so angry so
mad and everything but they'll find a way to
attend always some end of when you're talking
about people being angry i'm just trying to remember
like anytime people are angry like nothing good
happens like tends to destroy things like human
beings are destructive even with the internet
but tends to think about what will happen without
the internet um but which which app are you going
to miss the most like out of every other app
tiktok tiktok because like i do i don't even
like oh i subscribe to netflix everything i call
on zero every whether i like the visual um viewing
platform or the streaming platform but tiktok
i don't open any other app as much as i open
tiktok like i can't i don't even check my whatsapp
at times like i can go without checking my whatsapp
for like two weeks one month well tiktok Anytime
I'm just, like, less busy, bored, I open TikTok.
I might just even, like, just be scrolling food
recipes or, like, snacks recipes or, like, just
one funny comedy or anime, this thing. Like,
TikTok is just it for me. Like, I love TikTok.
And the only annoying thing now is that they
are trying to incorporate ads into TikTok where
you have to, like, watch TikTok's, like, ads.
I thought that was already there. I mean, like
anytime I'm into different type of videos, I
tend to come across all these sponsored ads and
it's very annoying. Yeah. It's annoying, but
like, and I, but like, but if they put so much
of those ads, I feel like I will stop going on
stuff because I used to be like a very, very
big fan and a consumer of YouTube content. or
like after they say putting all those ads and
you like just press who are stressing somebody
before you watch one video you have to watch
like two ads first then mid video you watch another
two ads like who has that leader i'm just trying
to just manage myself and you know just watch
this video and i'll just watch four ads in one
system even james like when i want to play games
and like they put ads in the beginning it's just
a ton of i would not watch that game again gosh
for me like i feel like the app i'm going to
miss the most is twitter actually i don't know
what my phone is going to be without twitter
i mean like i'm always kind of like checking
notifications on different things and there's
always something new on twitter so i was like
yeah twitter is just kind of like how i put it
i'm not someone that's usually kind of like watch
the news like especially on television, that
type of stuff. So Twitter is just kind of like
where someone kind of like get their information
about differences. I don't know if you heard
about this thing, this black Twitter, but Twitter
is actually that type of Twitter, if you know
what I mean. So I feel like Twitter is the app
I'm going to miss if the internet was gone. So
do you think we're going to make better art without
the internet? I feel like when I create, I'm
not usually online. I'm usually offline, just
thinking, brainstorming. But I feel like we'll
probably not get as much visual inspiration as
we need. It's not easily accessible if there's
no internet. Because now, for you to get inspired,
you have to leave your house, go to an actual
art gallery, and then snap the photo or something.
like if you don't get like visual like you know
when you get reference if you need reference
now you can just go online google it like oh
can i get a reference from so so so so you get
it will not be easily accessible like it's going
to be hard and then you can't easily text someone
like if you make a mistake and you need direction
you can text the way you can just easily text
and maybe let's say as we text sierra on the
eastern world group chat that oh what's up sierra
like i need your assistance with this my ass
walk and stuff you'll not be able to text sierra
without the internet like you have to send her
like a a letter I've never sent a letter in my
life. So I usually imagine sending letters with
like pigeons. You know how they're doing, like
all the Cinderella movies and stuff. But, you
know, you have to post it to the post office.
Then it will take like one month to get to the
US. And then Sierra will now send you a reply.
Before you finish your ask, it will take like
four months because the letter has to come back
and everything. It's just going to be stressful
for artists, especially. Like, we will not get
easy. And then you can't even easily promote
yourself because we sell, most of us sell our
stuff online now. You get, even galleries are
now online too. Like, they market their product
online. So it's not going to be easy for us to
sell art and all those things. Like, I think
it's really hard for artists when there's no
internet. Yeah, I really agree too on that aspect,
especially selling. um i can't hear you now i
was not hearing you can't hear me i think i wake
up it i wrote you know i'm that's pretty good
so i'm back i don't know why you wrote like welcome
back real girl what happened now What was happening?
I was just, what do you call it, sending message
back again. Like the internet hit me, sir. We're
talking about what if the internet disappeared
and the internet really disappeared. Am I wrong?
I don't know what I mean. That's scary. I feel
like there's some AI listening to our conversation
and then it just decides to fuck me. Right. i
threatened you anyhow what were you saying yeah
so i was saying like um let me try to get my
train of thoughts like do you think artists create
more for themselves or for the algorithm I think
me or personally. I create for myself, honestly.
I have to find satisfaction, which I can never
find in my artwork before I even put it out.
I even hold some art sometimes, so I would say
satisfaction. They have to find satisfaction
in their work first. I don't know. Maybe some
people create for the outlook. Love me. I guess
algorithm has to do with what's happening at
the moment. I feel like at some point we're kind
of like affected by that. Like everybody, maybe
subconsciously, like we are influenced by the
things that we see, the things we feel, the things
we taste, every particular thing. like subconsciously
that's what that's what is to result in what
we create but if the internet wasn't there maybe
we would be exposed to like a natural form of
algorithm if you know what i mean like um like
we'll be exposed to the people we interact with
like yeah it's just going to be the natural way
instead of kind of like going to check um inspirations
from different type of artists which is also
okay but yeah the internet makes it a bit easier
for us yes i felt really screwed that's what
happened he has shown you the tip of the iceberg
yeah i just saw like a little five minutes screw
screwing like like i felt what it what it feels
like to be without internet not without internet
without being able to kind of like communicate
and talk for like a few minutes the internet
just told you to keep quiet Well, I'm protected.
I'm protected by you. It's your network. By who?
I would deny you because I can't really use the
internet. One thing I don't understand was why
now? Why did I rogue? I've hosted a lot of spaces
and we've had different episodes. and i've not
had this particular type of login issue or whatever
so it's just really funny how like today i just
decided to talk about the internet it decided
to really screw me sorry so like no one could
ever see your work online again Would you still
keep creating? Yes, now. Because before I even
came online, I was already a creator. So, I don't
even have a church. It's a form of self -expression
and this is where I don't feel my best. I create,
I create hard. So, how will you be keeping them?
Like, you'll be keeping like a journal or something?
No, it's a little bit like... The internet going
doesn't mean we are going to lose access to our
phone now. We will not lose access to our phone,
just the internet. So we just take pictures.
But there are these problems that when a new
phone brand comes out, we will not know. It will
be clean though. It will kill cause of my reason.
yeah it's going to it's i mean there can't be
phones because then there's no internet so think
about that you can't use phones for taking pictures
you can use it's just that it's not be updated
or anything but there'll be phones i feel like
anyway they like yeah there'll be there'll be
phones but I don't know. It could be a barcode
type of phone. It's not a barcode. It could be
aesthetics. But when I'm talking about like if
the internet disappeared, I'm talking about everything
that has to do with us kind of like talking.
You get? Like making a normal phone call. No.
If the internet goes, there will not be SIM now.
SIM card will not exist probably. Because also...
So we can always just take pictures with our
phone. I don't know. Just be like a way of buying
memory cards instead of saving it in the file.
Your phone will just be like this type of digital
camera. Something like that. That's why it seems
to be aesthetic. It must be aesthetics. But I
hope that it never comes once again, I beg. Gosh.
The internet is just making us evolve. It's making
life easy. Get. So I beg you. I beg you. Eh?
How is this? Did you rock again? You rocked.
You rogue. Abeg. Oh, Chim. And we have come
to the end of Art Unframed, Season 2, Episode
3. And, yeah. See you guys next time. Bye.