WEBVTT 00:00:00.719 --> 00:00:04.519 Welcome to Art Unframed. I'm Vulcan, and together 00:00:04.519 --> 00:00:07.860 with my, we dive into the raw side 00:00:07.860 --> 00:00:11.380 of creativity. This podcast is about art without 00:00:11.380 --> 00:00:15.240 limits, art that questions, art that pushes back, 00:00:15.439 --> 00:00:19.460 art that shows us who we are. Every episode, 00:00:19.600 --> 00:00:23.320 we sit with artists from around the world to 00:00:23.320 --> 00:00:26.420 talk about their journey, their struggles, and 00:00:26.420 --> 00:00:29.030 the stories behind their work. It's not just 00:00:29.030 --> 00:00:31.989 about galleries and pretty pictures. It's about 00:00:31.989 --> 00:00:35.770 freedom, vulnerability, and the power of creating. 00:00:41.729 --> 00:00:49.890 Hey Kafani, how are you? Hi, I'm fine. I'm fighting 00:00:49.890 --> 00:00:56.770 the urge to sleep. Seriously, I think. We should 00:00:56.770 --> 00:01:00.250 even move this stuff to maybe later in the morning 00:01:00.250 --> 00:01:03.229 or something like that. Because this afternoon 00:01:03.229 --> 00:01:07.030 scene is always giving me this siesta type of 00:01:07.030 --> 00:01:11.290 vibes. Like I want to sleep. Yes, because I'm 00:01:11.290 --> 00:01:16.769 sleepy. I'm so tired. I was going to sleep by 00:01:16.769 --> 00:01:19.469 like 1pm, but I was like, no, let me not betray 00:01:19.469 --> 00:01:25.370 you. Because as soon as I slept there. Yes. Exactly 00:01:25.370 --> 00:01:27.489 what happened the last time is going to happen 00:01:27.489 --> 00:01:31.430 again. Yeah, so I said let me shine my eyes. 00:01:33.049 --> 00:01:37.930 It's true, you're pretty safe. I need chicken 00:01:37.930 --> 00:01:42.510 wings. Spicy chicken wings. I'll tell you what 00:01:42.510 --> 00:01:45.450 happened to me that last weekend when I was throwing 00:01:45.450 --> 00:01:48.670 that chicken. You know, the five -pound kind 00:01:48.670 --> 00:01:51.829 of tumbled on my leg. Ah, sorry. I hope it didn't 00:01:51.829 --> 00:01:55.390 fall on you. It fell on my leg, actually. But 00:01:55.390 --> 00:01:58.890 it didn't burn me. I just quickly put salt on 00:01:58.890 --> 00:02:03.049 it and on it. So it didn't burn me. But it stings 00:02:03.049 --> 00:02:06.109 for that night. It's like I paid the price of 00:02:06.109 --> 00:02:10.069 fried chicken with my leg. So I just passed it. 00:02:10.650 --> 00:02:19.270 So welcome back to Art Unframed. I'm Vulcan. 00:02:19.409 --> 00:02:23.419 And right here with me is Kafani my Cohost. Tonight 00:02:23.419 --> 00:02:25.759 we are talking about something a little weird. 00:02:26.300 --> 00:02:30.280 What if the internet disappeared tomorrow? No 00:02:30.280 --> 00:02:35.460 social media. No notifications. No endless scrolling 00:02:35.460 --> 00:02:40.599 in our timelines. Just silence. Imagine waking 00:02:40.599 --> 00:02:44.780 up one morning and realizing that our Wi -Fi, 00:02:44.800 --> 00:02:49.379 our network is totally gone. It's not broken. 00:02:49.840 --> 00:02:55.479 It's just gone. I would remove. Would people 00:02:55.479 --> 00:02:59.240 finally look up from their screens? Would we 00:02:59.240 --> 00:03:02.620 start talking again? Like not sending a WhatsApp 00:03:02.620 --> 00:03:05.699 message or sending a text message, not posting 00:03:05.699 --> 00:03:10.199 a Twitter post or Instagram post or TikTok videos, 00:03:10.340 --> 00:03:14.780 just talking real life. I keep thinking about 00:03:14.780 --> 00:03:17.060 how much of our life exists in a place we can't 00:03:17.060 --> 00:03:21.400 even touch. Our hearts, our thoughts. Our memories, 00:03:21.520 --> 00:03:24.699 even our arguments, they all live in this cloud, 00:03:24.879 --> 00:03:28.979 iCloud or whatever cloud we are on. Cloud that 00:03:28.979 --> 00:03:31.819 we don't even own. And I wonder if that cloud 00:03:31.819 --> 00:03:35.840 disappeared, would we disappear too? Or would 00:03:35.840 --> 00:03:39.319 something better return? Maybe we paint again 00:03:39.319 --> 00:03:42.699 just to feel something. Or maybe music will sound 00:03:42.699 --> 00:03:48.159 different, less perfect, or more human. Maybe 00:03:48.159 --> 00:03:51.180 people will write letters again. And sometimes 00:03:51.180 --> 00:03:53.800 I think the internet gave us a stage that took 00:03:53.800 --> 00:03:59.000 away our silence. It made us loud, but not always 00:03:59.000 --> 00:04:03.039 heard. So tonight, if the internet disappeared, 00:04:03.340 --> 00:04:07.680 would that survive? But we, this is not just 00:04:07.680 --> 00:04:10.620 a question. It's a reflection on how much we 00:04:10.620 --> 00:04:13.539 depend on being seen, like shared and saved. 00:04:14.699 --> 00:04:17.519 All right. So I don't want this to be a one -way 00:04:17.519 --> 00:04:21.189 conversation, Kafani. So. What's your thoughts 00:04:21.189 --> 00:04:25.850 on this? Like, I'll start with an easy one. Like, 00:04:25.870 --> 00:04:27.649 what's the first thing you're going to do if 00:04:27.649 --> 00:04:32.430 the internet just vanished tomorrow? Hi, everyone. 00:04:32.569 --> 00:04:35.970 I'm Kafani, the co -host of this space. And 00:04:35.970 --> 00:04:40.470 welcome to season three. Eh? Welcome to season 00:04:40.470 --> 00:04:47.480 two, three of Adful Friends. so if the internet 00:04:47.480 --> 00:04:50.360 should disappear one day i feel like i'll first 00:04:50.360 --> 00:04:53.480 of all be confused like and be like panicked 00:04:53.480 --> 00:04:56.079 and be like oh my god that's most of the things 00:04:56.079 --> 00:04:59.000 i've built are like digitally like my content 00:04:59.000 --> 00:05:02.040 are digitally i've been writing all this and 00:05:02.040 --> 00:05:05.540 yapping stuff on chain so like if somebody should 00:05:05.540 --> 00:05:09.800 like say um kafani oh what of the content you 00:05:09.800 --> 00:05:12.720 say you make all those your videography everything 00:05:12.720 --> 00:05:15.730 like where are they can i see them i always just 00:05:15.730 --> 00:05:18.370 pull up my instagram on my tiktok so imagine 00:05:18.370 --> 00:05:20.689 the internet disappears like what would i do 00:05:20.689 --> 00:05:22.829 like i'll have to start afresh because sometimes 00:05:22.829 --> 00:05:25.250 i even delete the videos on my phone and i'm 00:05:25.250 --> 00:05:27.290 like oh they're on the internet they're on instagram 00:05:27.290 --> 00:05:30.170 they're forever there like i can show my children 00:05:30.170 --> 00:05:33.209 my grandchildren like see how your grand mommy 00:05:33.209 --> 00:05:37.170 was like what does he get but like when the internet 00:05:37.170 --> 00:05:41.019 disappears it takes away a lot of them things 00:05:41.019 --> 00:05:44.000 for me because i already said i'm saving my stuff 00:05:44.000 --> 00:05:46.040 on the internet and i just feel like it should 00:05:46.040 --> 00:05:48.480 just be weird because like i will first question 00:05:48.480 --> 00:05:50.240 what will i do with my life because what will 00:05:50.240 --> 00:05:53.279 i do with my life like my friends how do i reach 00:05:53.279 --> 00:05:54.899 out my friends am i supposed to send pigeons 00:05:54.899 --> 00:05:58.959 to their house how do i email like to just be 00:05:58.959 --> 00:06:01.360 crazy i feel like the world will be destabilized 00:06:01.360 --> 00:06:08.220 honestly yeah it will be destabilized because 00:06:08.910 --> 00:06:12.029 The funny thing is that I don't know what I would 00:06:12.029 --> 00:06:15.449 be doing if the internet vanished because like 00:06:15.449 --> 00:06:19.509 right from, I don't know, maybe when, since I 00:06:19.509 --> 00:06:22.870 was in secondary school or something, like I'm 00:06:22.870 --> 00:06:25.290 always using my phone to do something. I was 00:06:25.290 --> 00:06:29.110 using my phone to, yeah, WhatsApp message. Like 00:06:29.110 --> 00:06:31.970 there was even one particular time that I got, 00:06:32.009 --> 00:06:36.189 it's actually a joke too. Like in secondary school, 00:06:36.269 --> 00:06:38.689 they were kind of like giving out. And they just 00:06:38.689 --> 00:06:40.769 like, they gave me an award for always online, 00:06:40.970 --> 00:06:44.629 which I found weird. But it was one of those 00:06:44.629 --> 00:06:48.769 things. If the internet disappeared, what would 00:06:48.769 --> 00:06:51.689 I be doing? I feel like I would be reading a 00:06:51.689 --> 00:06:56.350 book because I would possibly be reading a novel. 00:06:57.230 --> 00:07:02.269 I would be drawing. Like, yeah, because I used 00:07:02.269 --> 00:07:06.209 to draw when I was bored. I feel like that's 00:07:06.209 --> 00:07:08.689 also something I will be doing. I would actually 00:07:08.689 --> 00:07:12.250 be really talking to people. Like apart from 00:07:12.250 --> 00:07:15.209 virtually, physically, I'm going to be talking 00:07:15.209 --> 00:07:18.250 to people and I think I'm going to go out more. 00:07:19.069 --> 00:07:24.110 So would you miss memes or music more? What are 00:07:24.110 --> 00:07:26.490 you going to miss about the internet specifically? 00:07:28.779 --> 00:07:31.759 well i feel like i would not say that i i would 00:07:31.759 --> 00:07:35.579 miss music because there were cds they were um 00:07:35.579 --> 00:07:38.779 all those um airport thingy i don't know what 00:07:38.779 --> 00:07:40.639 they call them but like saying that people used 00:07:40.639 --> 00:07:43.560 to listen to music in the olden days in the 80s 00:07:43.560 --> 00:07:46.199 so i'm sure that would just revert back but i 00:07:46.199 --> 00:07:48.819 will not say i i would actually miss memes but 00:07:48.819 --> 00:07:52.660 like what can i do people survived without memes 00:07:52.660 --> 00:07:55.839 in the olden days and we survived without memes 00:07:56.560 --> 00:07:58.819 Do you know how many legendary memes were created 00:07:58.819 --> 00:08:03.699 in 10 years? Like, five years or so? All my purple 00:08:03.699 --> 00:08:06.839 memes, I would just save them to my phone. Like, 00:08:06.839 --> 00:08:08.860 I would watch memes and then save them. I don't 00:08:08.860 --> 00:08:11.399 know, I'll try to make a way. Because, like... 00:08:11.399 --> 00:08:13.600 I think you're going to make creative ways in 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:16.660 making memes. Like, you know the way these people 00:08:16.660 --> 00:08:19.040 create their sign language? Will you just possibly 00:08:19.040 --> 00:08:22.519 try to give me that way? Or what do you think? 00:08:24.779 --> 00:08:28.300 yeah i feel like we'll find a way to like overcome 00:08:28.300 --> 00:08:32.820 that meme stuff like it's not um it's not going 00:08:32.820 --> 00:08:36.120 to be like be stressful like that's not always 00:08:36.120 --> 00:08:40.100 be a problem honestly i don't think it's going 00:08:40.100 --> 00:08:42.559 to be a problem about the memes because we'll 00:08:42.559 --> 00:08:45.120 find a way they will even make a painting like 00:08:45.120 --> 00:08:48.230 a mona lisa kind of me from biopainting like 00:08:48.230 --> 00:08:50.610 we'll find a way it's just like it's not go viral 00:08:50.610 --> 00:08:52.950 but like word of mouth actually spreads and so 00:08:52.950 --> 00:08:55.769 faster like all those touches and hair story 00:08:55.769 --> 00:09:00.029 and everything i feel like we'll find a way it's 00:09:00.029 --> 00:09:03.529 just the um how do people get viral without the 00:09:03.529 --> 00:09:09.309 internet i mean you know the way all this word 00:09:09.309 --> 00:09:12.169 of mouth fairy tale stories and all those tales 00:09:12.169 --> 00:09:16.769 by moonlight word of mouth plays a big role It 00:09:16.769 --> 00:09:20.269 is a big rule. You don't used to hear some amoebas 00:09:20.269 --> 00:09:22.570 when you're not even online from somebody's mouth. 00:09:24.169 --> 00:09:26.490 And then you will not proceed to give the amoebas 00:09:26.490 --> 00:09:29.570 to another person. And it's something funny. 00:09:29.690 --> 00:09:32.490 So I feel like word of mouth will just help it 00:09:32.490 --> 00:09:36.929 spread, honestly. Yeah. Even that Tales of Moon 00:09:36.929 --> 00:09:42.509 by Moonlight story used to like... used to like 00:09:42.509 --> 00:09:45.470 um have different variation in different cities 00:09:45.470 --> 00:09:49.309 he gets yeah i think that's one of the things 00:09:49.309 --> 00:09:53.710 about word of mouth like soon like when the information 00:09:53.710 --> 00:09:57.190 gets to another person it changes it changes 00:09:57.190 --> 00:09:59.210 context like when that person is telling another 00:09:59.210 --> 00:10:02.809 person it's kind of like a different story maybe 00:10:02.809 --> 00:10:06.149 the person heard it in a different way or he 00:10:06.149 --> 00:10:08.350 had a different opinion about it and then he 00:10:08.350 --> 00:10:11.870 added his own it's just like their story of i 00:10:11.870 --> 00:10:14.429 don't know if you are familiar with this story 00:10:14.429 --> 00:10:17.169 that people are people know about in boarding 00:10:17.169 --> 00:10:18.529 school especially people that went to boarding 00:10:18.529 --> 00:10:24.990 school um yeah yeah i was just like i would like 00:10:24.990 --> 00:10:27.789 they didn't have internet at that time like but 00:10:27.789 --> 00:10:33.070 that story traveled far it traveled like even 00:10:33.070 --> 00:10:36.570 apart from nigeria it traveled in different places 00:10:36.570 --> 00:10:40.769 in west africa and other places like like i'm 00:10:40.769 --> 00:10:44.350 just wondering how that story traveled that far 00:10:44.350 --> 00:10:48.289 without the internet it went very they moved 00:10:48.289 --> 00:10:53.710 movie of it so they made a movie yeah they just 00:10:53.710 --> 00:10:57.149 made the movie of it was literally the body that 00:10:57.149 --> 00:10:59.590 went to body square that's it's a story about 00:10:59.590 --> 00:11:03.809 the lake and the way they had it is different 00:11:03.809 --> 00:11:07.230 versions at the same time but still like the 00:11:07.230 --> 00:11:10.350 same physical features of someone trying to scare 00:11:10.350 --> 00:11:14.269 another person well yeah i i just find it very 00:11:14.269 --> 00:11:21.370 amazing yeah i feel like the world just have 00:11:21.370 --> 00:11:26.129 to just um will i say evolve back or evolved 00:11:26.129 --> 00:11:29.370 evolve forward without the internet because life 00:11:29.370 --> 00:11:33.190 goes on even without the internet so we'll just 00:11:33.190 --> 00:11:38.940 move on and find ways to be ways to like um adapt 00:11:38.940 --> 00:11:42.580 you get because you have been even even if we 00:11:42.580 --> 00:11:46.340 are not like the strongest we are very very flexible 00:11:46.340 --> 00:11:50.960 and we adapt to any situation so i feel like 00:11:50.960 --> 00:11:54.220 people will just be like so angry so angry so 00:11:54.220 --> 00:11:57.059 mad and everything but they'll find a way to 00:11:57.059 --> 00:12:00.259 attend always some end of when you're talking 00:12:00.259 --> 00:12:02.500 about people being angry i'm just trying to remember 00:12:02.500 --> 00:12:05.399 like anytime people are angry like nothing good 00:12:05.399 --> 00:12:08.740 happens like tends to destroy things like human 00:12:08.740 --> 00:12:10.539 beings are destructive even with the internet 00:12:10.539 --> 00:12:14.000 but tends to think about what will happen without 00:12:14.000 --> 00:12:17.980 the internet um but which which app are you going 00:12:17.980 --> 00:12:21.659 to miss the most like out of every other app 00:12:21.659 --> 00:12:27.720 tiktok tiktok because like i do i don't even 00:12:27.720 --> 00:12:31.139 like oh i subscribe to netflix everything i call 00:12:31.139 --> 00:12:35.480 on zero every whether i like the visual um viewing 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:39.539 platform or the streaming platform but tiktok 00:12:39.539 --> 00:12:43.019 i don't open any other app as much as i open 00:12:43.019 --> 00:12:45.860 tiktok like i can't i don't even check my whatsapp 00:12:45.860 --> 00:12:48.379 at times like i can go without checking my whatsapp 00:12:48.379 --> 00:12:52.840 for like two weeks one month well tiktok Anytime 00:12:52.840 --> 00:12:55.899 I'm just, like, less busy, bored, I open TikTok. 00:12:56.179 --> 00:12:59.179 I might just even, like, just be scrolling food 00:12:59.179 --> 00:13:02.899 recipes or, like, snacks recipes or, like, just 00:13:02.899 --> 00:13:06.259 one funny comedy or anime, this thing. Like, 00:13:06.259 --> 00:13:09.659 TikTok is just it for me. Like, I love TikTok. 00:13:09.899 --> 00:13:12.240 And the only annoying thing now is that they 00:13:12.240 --> 00:13:14.860 are trying to incorporate ads into TikTok where 00:13:14.860 --> 00:13:17.519 you have to, like, watch TikTok's, like, ads. 00:13:17.639 --> 00:13:21.149 I thought that was already there. I mean, like 00:13:21.149 --> 00:13:24.470 anytime I'm into different type of videos, I 00:13:24.470 --> 00:13:27.669 tend to come across all these sponsored ads and 00:13:27.669 --> 00:13:31.870 it's very annoying. Yeah. It's annoying, but 00:13:31.870 --> 00:13:36.490 like, and I, but like, but if they put so much 00:13:36.490 --> 00:13:40.169 of those ads, I feel like I will stop going on 00:13:40.169 --> 00:13:43.649 stuff because I used to be like a very, very 00:13:43.649 --> 00:13:47.129 big fan and a consumer of YouTube content. or 00:13:47.129 --> 00:13:49.429 like after they say putting all those ads and 00:13:49.429 --> 00:13:51.429 you like just press who are stressing somebody 00:13:51.429 --> 00:13:53.509 before you watch one video you have to watch 00:13:53.509 --> 00:13:57.490 like two ads first then mid video you watch another 00:13:57.490 --> 00:14:00.769 two ads like who has that leader i'm just trying 00:14:00.769 --> 00:14:04.009 to just manage myself and you know just watch 00:14:04.009 --> 00:14:07.110 this video and i'll just watch four ads in one 00:14:07.110 --> 00:14:09.809 system even james like when i want to play games 00:14:09.809 --> 00:14:13.129 and like they put ads in the beginning it's just 00:14:13.129 --> 00:14:16.169 a ton of i would not watch that game again gosh 00:14:17.879 --> 00:14:21.639 for me like i feel like the app i'm going to 00:14:21.639 --> 00:14:27.179 miss the most is twitter actually i don't know 00:14:27.179 --> 00:14:30.600 what my phone is going to be without twitter 00:14:30.600 --> 00:14:33.259 i mean like i'm always kind of like checking 00:14:33.259 --> 00:14:35.840 notifications on different things and there's 00:14:35.840 --> 00:14:38.980 always something new on twitter so i was like 00:14:38.980 --> 00:14:42.100 yeah twitter is just kind of like how i put it 00:14:42.100 --> 00:14:44.639 i'm not someone that's usually kind of like watch 00:14:44.639 --> 00:14:47.850 the news like especially on television, that 00:14:47.850 --> 00:14:50.330 type of stuff. So Twitter is just kind of like 00:14:50.330 --> 00:14:52.529 where someone kind of like get their information 00:14:52.529 --> 00:14:55.629 about differences. I don't know if you heard 00:14:55.629 --> 00:14:58.110 about this thing, this black Twitter, but Twitter 00:14:58.110 --> 00:15:00.289 is actually that type of Twitter, if you know 00:15:00.289 --> 00:15:04.029 what I mean. So I feel like Twitter is the app 00:15:04.029 --> 00:15:09.909 I'm going to miss if the internet was gone. So 00:15:09.909 --> 00:15:13.929 do you think we're going to make better art without 00:15:13.929 --> 00:15:22.480 the internet? I feel like when I create, I'm 00:15:22.480 --> 00:15:25.919 not usually online. I'm usually offline, just 00:15:25.919 --> 00:15:28.639 thinking, brainstorming. But I feel like we'll 00:15:28.639 --> 00:15:32.139 probably not get as much visual inspiration as 00:15:32.139 --> 00:15:35.399 we need. It's not easily accessible if there's 00:15:35.399 --> 00:15:37.980 no internet. Because now, for you to get inspired, 00:15:38.179 --> 00:15:40.419 you have to leave your house, go to an actual 00:15:40.419 --> 00:15:43.799 art gallery, and then snap the photo or something. 00:15:44.320 --> 00:15:46.940 like if you don't get like visual like you know 00:15:46.940 --> 00:15:48.879 when you get reference if you need reference 00:15:48.879 --> 00:15:51.500 now you can just go online google it like oh 00:15:51.500 --> 00:15:54.879 can i get a reference from so so so so you get 00:15:54.879 --> 00:15:57.759 it will not be easily accessible like it's going 00:15:57.759 --> 00:16:01.200 to be hard and then you can't easily text someone 00:16:01.200 --> 00:16:03.539 like if you make a mistake and you need direction 00:16:03.539 --> 00:16:07.100 you can text the way you can just easily text 00:16:07.100 --> 00:16:09.929 and maybe let's say as we text sierra on the 00:16:09.929 --> 00:16:12.470 eastern world group chat that oh what's up sierra 00:16:12.470 --> 00:16:15.029 like i need your assistance with this my ass 00:16:15.029 --> 00:16:17.269 walk and stuff you'll not be able to text sierra 00:16:17.269 --> 00:16:19.610 without the internet like you have to send her 00:16:19.610 --> 00:16:23.909 like a a letter I've never sent a letter in my 00:16:23.909 --> 00:16:28.149 life. So I usually imagine sending letters with 00:16:28.149 --> 00:16:30.409 like pigeons. You know how they're doing, like 00:16:30.409 --> 00:16:33.190 all the Cinderella movies and stuff. But, you 00:16:33.190 --> 00:16:35.350 know, you have to post it to the post office. 00:16:35.409 --> 00:16:37.909 Then it will take like one month to get to the 00:16:37.909 --> 00:16:40.450 US. And then Sierra will now send you a reply. 00:16:40.570 --> 00:16:42.629 Before you finish your ask, it will take like 00:16:42.629 --> 00:16:44.830 four months because the letter has to come back 00:16:44.830 --> 00:16:48.279 and everything. It's just going to be stressful 00:16:48.279 --> 00:16:51.220 for artists, especially. Like, we will not get 00:16:51.220 --> 00:16:53.620 easy. And then you can't even easily promote 00:16:53.620 --> 00:16:56.399 yourself because we sell, most of us sell our 00:16:56.399 --> 00:16:59.559 stuff online now. You get, even galleries are 00:16:59.559 --> 00:17:02.519 now online too. Like, they market their product 00:17:02.519 --> 00:17:04.460 online. So it's not going to be easy for us to 00:17:04.460 --> 00:17:06.759 sell art and all those things. Like, I think 00:17:06.759 --> 00:17:09.380 it's really hard for artists when there's no 00:17:09.380 --> 00:17:14.900 internet. Yeah, I really agree too on that aspect, 00:17:15.019 --> 00:17:23.339 especially selling. um i can't hear you now i 00:17:23.339 --> 00:17:27.460 was not hearing you can't hear me i think i wake 00:17:27.460 --> 00:17:32.460 up it i wrote you know i'm that's pretty good 00:17:32.460 --> 00:17:40.200 so i'm back i don't know why you wrote like welcome 00:17:40.200 --> 00:17:47.160 back real girl what happened now What was happening? 00:17:47.420 --> 00:17:51.000 I was just, what do you call it, sending message 00:17:51.000 --> 00:17:56.799 back again. Like the internet hit me, sir. We're 00:17:56.799 --> 00:17:58.680 talking about what if the internet disappeared 00:17:58.680 --> 00:18:01.619 and the internet really disappeared. Am I wrong? 00:18:02.099 --> 00:18:08.299 I don't know what I mean. That's scary. I feel 00:18:08.299 --> 00:18:12.259 like there's some AI listening to our conversation 00:18:12.259 --> 00:18:18.690 and then it just decides to fuck me. Right. i 00:18:18.690 --> 00:18:23.450 threatened you anyhow what were you saying yeah 00:18:23.450 --> 00:18:32.849 so i was saying like um let me try to get my 00:18:32.849 --> 00:18:39.609 train of thoughts like do you think artists create 00:18:39.609 --> 00:18:45.500 more for themselves or for the algorithm I think 00:18:45.500 --> 00:18:50.599 me or personally. I create for myself, honestly. 00:18:50.880 --> 00:18:54.119 I have to find satisfaction, which I can never 00:18:54.119 --> 00:18:57.799 find in my artwork before I even put it out. 00:18:58.200 --> 00:19:03.880 I even hold some art sometimes, so I would say 00:19:03.880 --> 00:19:07.559 satisfaction. They have to find satisfaction 00:19:07.559 --> 00:19:11.140 in their work first. I don't know. Maybe some 00:19:11.140 --> 00:19:18.559 people create for the outlook. Love me. I guess 00:19:18.559 --> 00:19:25.140 algorithm has to do with what's happening at 00:19:25.140 --> 00:19:29.000 the moment. I feel like at some point we're kind 00:19:29.000 --> 00:19:33.059 of like affected by that. Like everybody, maybe 00:19:33.059 --> 00:19:37.599 subconsciously, like we are influenced by the 00:19:37.599 --> 00:19:39.859 things that we see, the things we feel, the things 00:19:39.859 --> 00:19:43.230 we taste, every particular thing. like subconsciously 00:19:43.230 --> 00:19:46.130 that's what that's what is to result in what 00:19:46.130 --> 00:19:50.569 we create but if the internet wasn't there maybe 00:19:50.569 --> 00:19:55.430 we would be exposed to like a natural form of 00:19:55.430 --> 00:20:00.069 algorithm if you know what i mean like um like 00:20:00.069 --> 00:20:02.910 we'll be exposed to the people we interact with 00:20:02.910 --> 00:20:05.890 like yeah it's just going to be the natural way 00:20:05.890 --> 00:20:12.660 instead of kind of like going to check um inspirations 00:20:12.660 --> 00:20:15.319 from different type of artists which is also 00:20:15.319 --> 00:20:19.339 okay but yeah the internet makes it a bit easier 00:20:19.339 --> 00:20:39.920 for us yes i felt really screwed that's what 00:20:39.920 --> 00:20:45.130 happened he has shown you the tip of the iceberg 00:20:45.130 --> 00:20:50.470 yeah i just saw like a little five minutes screw 00:20:50.470 --> 00:20:56.609 screwing like like i felt what it what it feels 00:20:56.609 --> 00:21:01.769 like to be without internet not without internet 00:21:01.769 --> 00:21:04.109 without being able to kind of like communicate 00:21:04.109 --> 00:21:08.309 and talk for like a few minutes the internet 00:21:08.309 --> 00:21:16.759 just told you to keep quiet Well, I'm protected. 00:21:17.119 --> 00:21:21.539 I'm protected by you. It's your network. By who? 00:21:21.819 --> 00:21:24.720 I would deny you because I can't really use the 00:21:24.720 --> 00:21:32.680 internet. One thing I don't understand was why 00:21:32.680 --> 00:21:38.240 now? Why did I rogue? I've hosted a lot of spaces 00:21:38.240 --> 00:21:44.390 and we've had different episodes. and i've not 00:21:44.390 --> 00:21:47.849 had this particular type of login issue or whatever 00:21:47.849 --> 00:21:53.170 so it's just really funny how like today i just 00:21:53.170 --> 00:21:55.789 decided to talk about the internet it decided 00:21:55.789 --> 00:22:10.410 to really screw me sorry so like no one could 00:22:10.410 --> 00:22:13.730 ever see your work online again Would you still 00:22:13.730 --> 00:22:18.529 keep creating? Yes, now. Because before I even 00:22:18.529 --> 00:22:22.509 came online, I was already a creator. So, I don't 00:22:22.509 --> 00:22:26.809 even have a church. It's a form of self -expression 00:22:26.809 --> 00:22:30.910 and this is where I don't feel my best. I create, 00:22:31.109 --> 00:22:35.789 I create hard. So, how will you be keeping them? 00:22:35.849 --> 00:22:37.809 Like, you'll be keeping like a journal or something? 00:22:39.789 --> 00:22:43.079 No, it's a little bit like... The internet going 00:22:43.079 --> 00:22:46.480 doesn't mean we are going to lose access to our 00:22:46.480 --> 00:22:55.019 phone now. We will not lose access to our phone, 00:22:55.079 --> 00:22:57.680 just the internet. So we just take pictures. 00:22:57.839 --> 00:22:59.440 But there are these problems that when a new 00:22:59.440 --> 00:23:03.680 phone brand comes out, we will not know. It will 00:23:03.680 --> 00:23:06.079 be clean though. It will kill cause of my reason. 00:23:11.599 --> 00:23:15.579 yeah it's going to it's i mean there can't be 00:23:15.579 --> 00:23:18.759 phones because then there's no internet so think 00:23:18.759 --> 00:23:23.940 about that you can't use phones for taking pictures 00:23:23.940 --> 00:23:28.319 you can use it's just that it's not be updated 00:23:28.319 --> 00:23:34.839 or anything but there'll be phones i feel like 00:23:34.839 --> 00:23:39.839 anyway they like yeah there'll be there'll be 00:23:39.839 --> 00:23:42.710 phones but I don't know. It could be a barcode 00:23:42.710 --> 00:23:46.089 type of phone. It's not a barcode. It could be 00:23:46.089 --> 00:23:50.769 aesthetics. But when I'm talking about like if 00:23:50.769 --> 00:23:52.690 the internet disappeared, I'm talking about everything 00:23:52.690 --> 00:23:57.150 that has to do with us kind of like talking. 00:23:57.309 --> 00:24:00.069 You get? Like making a normal phone call. No. 00:24:00.089 --> 00:24:03.170 If the internet goes, there will not be SIM now. 00:24:03.289 --> 00:24:07.750 SIM card will not exist probably. Because also... 00:24:08.649 --> 00:24:11.049 So we can always just take pictures with our 00:24:11.049 --> 00:24:15.049 phone. I don't know. Just be like a way of buying 00:24:15.049 --> 00:24:17.809 memory cards instead of saving it in the file. 00:24:18.630 --> 00:24:20.990 Your phone will just be like this type of digital 00:24:20.990 --> 00:24:23.789 camera. Something like that. That's why it seems 00:24:23.789 --> 00:24:31.990 to be aesthetic. It must be aesthetics. But I 00:24:31.990 --> 00:24:44.759 hope that it never comes once again, I beg. Gosh. 00:24:44.759 --> 00:24:50.160 The internet is just making us evolve. It's making 00:24:50.160 --> 00:24:59.700 life easy. Get. So I beg you. I beg you. Eh? 00:24:59.900 --> 00:25:12.220 How is this? Did you rock again? You rocked. 00:25:12.490 --> 00:25:21.490 You rogue. Abeg. Oh, Chim. And we have come 00:25:21.490 --> 00:25:25.410 to the end of Art Unframed, Season 2, Episode 00:25:25.410 --> 00:25:31.869 3. And, yeah. See you guys next time. Bye.