WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.440 Welcome to Art Unframed episode 4 and right here 00:00:04.440 --> 00:00:08.099 with me is Ishika. She is a self -taught abstract 00:00:08.099 --> 00:00:15.119 artist. She's got this way of letting our art 00:00:15.119 --> 00:00:18.379 run free through abstract expressionism. She's 00:00:18.379 --> 00:00:20.920 been exhibited in many parts of the country. 00:00:29.260 --> 00:00:34.119 Hi, Ishika. How are you doing? I am doing fine. 00:00:34.380 --> 00:00:37.859 Welcome. Thank you for having me. And yes, thank 00:00:37.859 --> 00:00:44.460 you for introducing me in a very sweet way, because 00:00:44.460 --> 00:00:48.740 honestly, what I do, sometimes even I wonder, 00:00:48.899 --> 00:00:52.700 what am I exactly doing with art? Where am I 00:00:52.700 --> 00:00:59.320 exactly trying to go? The thing is, Art is the 00:00:59.320 --> 00:01:06.439 only freedom I crave for. Being human and to 00:01:06.439 --> 00:01:10.439 be, especially to be a mom, to be a woman and 00:01:10.439 --> 00:01:14.739 with responsibilities. Life gets busy and life 00:01:14.739 --> 00:01:18.480 gets boring and life is with too many rules. 00:01:18.700 --> 00:01:23.200 Sometimes we are exhausted with maintaining. 00:01:26.700 --> 00:01:31.379 all these rules and do that and don't do this. 00:01:31.560 --> 00:01:36.980 But art is the only time where I let all the 00:01:36.980 --> 00:01:42.079 rules go. I'm not following any rules. I'm just 00:01:42.079 --> 00:01:50.420 enjoying my truest self, being crazy, being weird 00:01:50.420 --> 00:01:57.489 or being free. Absolutely free. So that's the 00:01:57.489 --> 00:02:01.890 only time where I'm very honest and I'm without 00:02:01.890 --> 00:02:05.790 filter. The only moment when I'm painting Vulcan. 00:02:07.670 --> 00:02:11.090 Thank you, Ishika. You know, one of the things 00:02:11.090 --> 00:02:14.189 I've always loved about you is how you talk about 00:02:14.189 --> 00:02:19.409 art and the way you talk about it, like you really, 00:02:19.590 --> 00:02:22.990 really enjoy it. You enjoy your art. You enjoy 00:02:22.990 --> 00:02:26.580 talking about it. people's hearts and you really 00:02:26.580 --> 00:02:31.699 look deep into it um i remember when i started 00:02:31.699 --> 00:02:36.259 in space like two years ago and then i saw you 00:02:36.259 --> 00:02:39.960 hosting spaces and i was trying to come up i 00:02:39.960 --> 00:02:43.280 was using this particular type of smartphone 00:02:43.280 --> 00:02:48.099 and it was like yeah i was struggling and when 00:02:48.099 --> 00:02:52.800 i finally came up i rogged and i was so sad but 00:02:53.159 --> 00:02:57.159 It's great to have you here. I want to first 00:02:57.159 --> 00:03:01.039 start by going through your journey as an artist. 00:03:02.180 --> 00:03:06.780 So I'll ask you what inspired you to pursue art 00:03:06.780 --> 00:03:11.960 as a self -taught artist? That's a brilliant 00:03:11.960 --> 00:03:15.740 question. I get asked this question a lot. Why 00:03:15.740 --> 00:03:21.840 art? And why abstract? And how... How did I decide 00:03:21.840 --> 00:03:27.960 to be a full -time abstract artist? My answer 00:03:27.960 --> 00:03:32.039 to all those questions is I never knew. I never 00:03:32.039 --> 00:03:41.139 knew where art came to me with full force. Because 00:03:41.139 --> 00:03:44.439 I was always playing with colors since childhood. 00:03:44.560 --> 00:03:48.240 I was always doodling here and there, making 00:03:48.240 --> 00:03:53.199 crazy designs. Not figures or flowers. It was 00:03:53.199 --> 00:04:00.000 just patterns, blocks, colors, contrasts. And 00:04:00.000 --> 00:04:03.379 I used to call them my color play. I never thought 00:04:03.379 --> 00:04:06.599 that actually my brain was craving for more. 00:04:07.599 --> 00:04:12.159 And then slowly and gradually, I was growing 00:04:12.159 --> 00:04:15.680 up in a very cultural background, mom and dad, 00:04:15.699 --> 00:04:20.860 both poets. And we used to go to lots of literature 00:04:20.860 --> 00:04:26.680 programs, festivals, where it was all about poetry 00:04:26.680 --> 00:04:30.199 and music, not always art, not always artists, 00:04:30.319 --> 00:04:35.620 but forms of art. I used to sit around and... 00:04:36.199 --> 00:04:39.920 I used to write as well. Dad used to be very 00:04:39.920 --> 00:04:43.180 proud then because I was also writing poetry 00:04:43.180 --> 00:04:47.060 in my own language. And dad used to guide me. 00:04:48.019 --> 00:04:53.839 But slowly I figured my expression, they needed 00:04:53.839 --> 00:04:57.480 more. And sometimes the words, written words 00:04:57.480 --> 00:05:02.379 or said words are not enough. I want to say more. 00:05:02.879 --> 00:05:08.370 And I felt. shy with words. And always, I'm a 00:05:08.370 --> 00:05:11.930 very introverted person. I don't talk a lot in 00:05:11.930 --> 00:05:16.910 public. This is funny, I know. I host a lot of 00:05:16.910 --> 00:05:21.230 space and I talk a lot about art. But that's 00:05:21.230 --> 00:05:25.230 the only topic I can talk all day about art and 00:05:25.230 --> 00:05:28.990 others' art. But ask me something else, I'll 00:05:28.990 --> 00:05:33.029 be struggling. Because apart from art, I feel 00:05:33.029 --> 00:05:39.160 kind of... Art is the only home I know. And if 00:05:39.160 --> 00:05:43.300 you take that away, I'm a homeless child. So 00:05:43.300 --> 00:05:50.160 growing up, I felt I need to say more. So I started 00:05:50.160 --> 00:05:56.300 scribbling. I started like making different colorful 00:05:56.300 --> 00:06:00.199 patterns and stuff. And my friends used to laugh 00:06:00.199 --> 00:06:04.259 at me. especially school and then high school, 00:06:04.399 --> 00:06:08.779 college. Because back home, in many cultures, 00:06:08.779 --> 00:06:12.560 actually, abstract is still little. They don't 00:06:12.560 --> 00:06:15.540 really understand it much in many, many countries, 00:06:15.620 --> 00:06:18.839 in many cultures. They like figurative art. They 00:06:18.839 --> 00:06:22.779 like flowers. They like stuff that it's easy 00:06:22.779 --> 00:06:26.860 to interpret. It's on my face. I don't have to 00:06:26.860 --> 00:06:29.949 sit and think. You know, they like things like 00:06:29.949 --> 00:06:33.110 that. But with abstract, you have to think, you 00:06:33.110 --> 00:06:37.790 have to look, you have to actually peel off the 00:06:37.790 --> 00:06:41.089 layers, what's happening within. It's all about 00:06:41.089 --> 00:06:45.230 emotions. It's all about your own sentiments. 00:06:45.290 --> 00:06:48.649 Sometimes it's about your heritage, your tradition. 00:06:48.670 --> 00:06:54.860 But the language is... Very weighty. You have 00:06:54.860 --> 00:06:57.959 to have a different sort of looking to understand 00:06:57.959 --> 00:07:03.360 it. Right. So I was heavily misunderstood. I 00:07:03.360 --> 00:07:08.459 was badly bullied and I became. more shy and 00:07:08.459 --> 00:07:10.879 i thought no this is not the right audience where 00:07:10.879 --> 00:07:13.980 i talk about my art because they are literally 00:07:13.980 --> 00:07:17.680 laughing at me and they're taking me as a joke 00:07:17.680 --> 00:07:21.240 so i stopped sharing to people who didn't understand 00:07:21.240 --> 00:07:28.220 me i was going inside more shells and it was 00:07:28.220 --> 00:07:34.420 like my own cocoon very dark very lonely but 00:07:34.420 --> 00:07:38.740 very me. And I felt home there within my cocoon. 00:07:38.740 --> 00:07:43.279 I was growing within. I was making a lot of art 00:07:43.279 --> 00:07:46.459 that I wasn't showing to anyone apart from my 00:07:46.459 --> 00:07:50.500 parents, because my dad, he loves art and he's 00:07:50.500 --> 00:07:54.500 my biggest fan. So I used to show just my dad 00:07:54.500 --> 00:07:58.800 and sometimes mom. And we used to talk a lot 00:07:58.800 --> 00:08:04.000 about my colors and what sort of sentiment. But 00:08:04.000 --> 00:08:08.060 it kept growing, Vulcan. So I don't have the 00:08:08.060 --> 00:08:11.439 specific answer when art happened to me because 00:08:11.439 --> 00:08:16.160 art was always with me, still with me, and I 00:08:16.160 --> 00:08:19.879 know it will be with me. But great question. 00:08:22.139 --> 00:08:25.079 Thank you, Ishika. You know, when you kind of 00:08:25.079 --> 00:08:29.160 look at it, you can. You can see, like, coming 00:08:29.160 --> 00:08:33.659 from a poetic background, like, you're really 00:08:33.659 --> 00:08:39.299 deep into poetry. And then you started with art, 00:08:39.360 --> 00:08:44.620 started scribbling. And then the abstract expressionism 00:08:44.620 --> 00:08:48.399 in which you've come to really put a mark on. 00:08:48.539 --> 00:08:53.379 What do you think is, like, your big breakthrough 00:08:53.379 --> 00:08:59.740 as an artist in your journey? I think coming 00:08:59.740 --> 00:09:09.500 online was that break I needed because before 00:09:09.500 --> 00:09:12.980 I was bit, as I said, I wasn't sharing much. 00:09:13.039 --> 00:09:16.919 I wasn't talking much about myself, my feelings 00:09:16.919 --> 00:09:22.159 or my colors. But when COVID happened and I was 00:09:22.159 --> 00:09:27.690 jobless, I was hopeless. And I was also going 00:09:27.690 --> 00:09:31.129 through a lot in my personal life. And it was 00:09:31.129 --> 00:09:35.129 a big mess, Vulcan. It was just the whole world 00:09:35.129 --> 00:09:40.370 was upside down. I was kind of lost. I felt like 00:09:40.370 --> 00:09:45.090 a lost child in a big fear. Lots of people around, 00:09:45.450 --> 00:09:49.450 lots of voices around, but no one knows you. 00:09:49.549 --> 00:09:53.610 And you have things to share, but no one really. 00:09:55.179 --> 00:09:59.340 and bother to look at you. I felt like that before 00:09:59.340 --> 00:10:04.299 online life. But when COVID happened and I started 00:10:04.299 --> 00:10:09.820 sharing on my Instagram with my art, slowly I 00:10:09.820 --> 00:10:14.460 felt like I belong. Slowly I felt like there 00:10:14.460 --> 00:10:17.980 are people who... who are trying to understand 00:10:17.980 --> 00:10:21.460 me. Yes, they are strangers, complete strangers, 00:10:21.720 --> 00:10:26.080 but like -minded. Yes, we never met. I don't 00:10:26.080 --> 00:10:28.519 know their names, maybe. I don't know their real 00:10:28.519 --> 00:10:31.159 names, maybe. But I feel like I connect more 00:10:31.159 --> 00:10:34.779 with them. And they are more family than your 00:10:34.779 --> 00:10:39.720 own family, you know? So I found that little 00:10:39.720 --> 00:10:44.080 breakthrough through my Instagram journey and 00:10:44.080 --> 00:10:48.809 later on Twitter. or X and other social media 00:10:48.809 --> 00:10:52.169 platform. I'm hugely thankful for these platforms 00:10:52.169 --> 00:10:57.090 because look at us now. We are. like a global 00:10:57.090 --> 00:11:00.330 village where friends from everywhere, we are 00:11:00.330 --> 00:11:03.830 talking art, inspiring each other without judgment, 00:11:04.009 --> 00:11:07.970 Vulcan. I'm sure 100 % what I'm saying, you are 00:11:07.970 --> 00:11:11.889 trying to understand me without that filter of 00:11:11.889 --> 00:11:15.190 judgment. And that is beautiful. That is exceptional. 00:11:15.350 --> 00:11:19.809 And that is the breakthrough I got from being 00:11:19.809 --> 00:11:24.269 online through Instagram mainly and then other 00:11:24.269 --> 00:11:32.100 platforms. Thank you, Ishika. I would like to 00:11:32.100 --> 00:11:35.700 pass it to my co -host, Kafani. You have a question? 00:11:41.500 --> 00:11:46.039 Well, that was Kafani's answer. She just rocked 00:11:46.039 --> 00:11:48.820 for a bit, but I'm sure it's a network glitch 00:11:48.820 --> 00:11:53.840 and she'll be back. Ishika, you know, it's really 00:11:53.840 --> 00:11:59.000 funny how the topic is on identity. And I remember 00:11:59.000 --> 00:12:03.100 like the first time I came to your space and 00:12:03.100 --> 00:12:06.460 I had this particular type of collection and 00:12:06.460 --> 00:12:10.440 it was on identity as well. Like I can just see 00:12:10.440 --> 00:12:17.639 the irony in that at the same time. So how do 00:12:17.639 --> 00:12:23.019 you define self -expression in art in your own 00:12:23.019 --> 00:12:31.509 terms? Are these the... most important medium 00:12:31.509 --> 00:12:38.190 where we are using self -expression as the rawest 00:12:38.190 --> 00:12:43.409 form of it, as the truest form of it. As I mentioned, 00:12:43.509 --> 00:12:52.710 I am my most vulnerable, most fragile, absolutely 00:12:52.710 --> 00:12:57.549 honest and filterless self. When I'm making art 00:12:57.549 --> 00:13:02.429 and through my colors, actually, I'm being arrogant. 00:13:02.610 --> 00:13:08.570 I'm being vulnerable. I'm being romantic. I'm 00:13:08.570 --> 00:13:12.389 being angry. I'm being frustrated. I'm being 00:13:12.389 --> 00:13:17.669 everything, anything and everything with those 00:13:17.669 --> 00:13:21.429 expression of colors that actually portrays me 00:13:21.429 --> 00:13:27.779 and my personal journey, my background. My colors 00:13:27.779 --> 00:13:31.159 are very warm, Falcon. They are very heavily 00:13:31.159 --> 00:13:35.700 inspired by the cultural background where I'm 00:13:35.700 --> 00:13:39.480 from. I'm from a very hot country where nature 00:13:39.480 --> 00:13:45.899 is full of warm colors. And it's orange and yellow 00:13:45.899 --> 00:13:50.179 everywhere. It's sunshine everywhere. And you 00:13:50.179 --> 00:13:53.860 will see those colors. coming back in my art 00:13:53.860 --> 00:13:58.580 again and again and again um many of my collectors 00:13:58.580 --> 00:14:04.259 actually um When they collect my pieces and later 00:14:04.259 --> 00:14:08.559 on they tell me what they liked or they would 00:14:08.559 --> 00:14:12.340 love more. And I was asked many times by many 00:14:12.340 --> 00:14:15.419 collectors, Ishika, can you do more blue? Probably. 00:14:15.480 --> 00:14:20.399 Can you do more maybe muted colors, maybe quieter 00:14:20.399 --> 00:14:24.950 colors? And I said, look. I do not do commission 00:14:24.950 --> 00:14:30.429 pieces because I feel like my art is my own journey 00:14:30.429 --> 00:14:35.190 and mainly for myself. If blue comes, it will 00:14:35.190 --> 00:14:38.090 come. But I cannot tell myself, OK, let's sit 00:14:38.090 --> 00:14:43.409 and make something blue because I make art from 00:14:43.409 --> 00:14:47.549 it's like a journey to nowhere. And I don't know 00:14:47.549 --> 00:14:51.090 where it start and where it will take me. I can 00:14:51.090 --> 00:14:54.350 never force my palate, Valka. Like this morning, 00:14:54.529 --> 00:14:57.629 I was sitting with a bunch of colors. I was looking 00:14:57.629 --> 00:15:01.289 around. Some colors will be like, pick me, pick 00:15:01.289 --> 00:15:04.730 me, please pick me. I pick them. And I never 00:15:04.730 --> 00:15:10.169 realize maybe green and purple will not dance 00:15:10.169 --> 00:15:13.250 together nicely because they are very different. 00:15:13.490 --> 00:15:17.090 But when they say pick me, I pick them. I play 00:15:17.090 --> 00:15:20.990 with green and purple. Let them dance until it 00:15:20.990 --> 00:15:24.889 works out. Let them flow until it works out. 00:15:24.929 --> 00:15:29.889 So that is my challenge. Making art, also challenging 00:15:29.889 --> 00:15:35.590 myself, challenging my own barriers, overcoming 00:15:35.590 --> 00:15:39.509 my own boundaries, stereotypes. I'm trying to 00:15:39.509 --> 00:15:46.559 break stereotypes. Expectations. I'm very, like, 00:15:46.659 --> 00:15:49.860 that very word, expectation, is scary for me, 00:15:49.879 --> 00:15:52.840 Vulcan, because that takes away a little bit 00:15:52.840 --> 00:15:55.740 of your freedom, right? When people expect something 00:15:55.740 --> 00:15:58.639 from you and you have to deliver, oh my gosh, 00:15:58.759 --> 00:16:03.360 that's scary. So I'm trying to break all those. 00:16:03.740 --> 00:16:07.980 Whether it makes sense or not, maybe it doesn't 00:16:07.980 --> 00:16:13.029 matter much. Whether it's a sell or not. Probably 00:16:13.029 --> 00:16:15.350 it doesn't matter much. Yes, at the end of the 00:16:15.350 --> 00:16:18.309 day, I'm a full time artist. Selling more art 00:16:18.309 --> 00:16:22.610 would help me financially. But again, I can't 00:16:22.610 --> 00:16:28.870 force myself to make art for a certain audience. 00:16:29.250 --> 00:16:34.970 If I'm making art for a certain bunch of people 00:16:34.970 --> 00:16:39.500 or audience. I feel like I'm cheating with myself. 00:16:39.679 --> 00:16:43.220 I'm cheating to my art, probably. I'd rather 00:16:43.220 --> 00:16:47.899 make my art work out. My right people will find 00:16:47.899 --> 00:16:52.139 me anyway. Whether they're less, maybe less people, 00:16:52.240 --> 00:16:54.779 that's fine. But at least they are the truest 00:16:54.779 --> 00:16:59.929 friends of my country. And don't judge me. So, 00:16:59.970 --> 00:17:03.330 yeah, it's a funny thing. Self -expression through 00:17:03.330 --> 00:17:06.769 art. Obviously, that's what I'm doing and trying 00:17:06.769 --> 00:17:12.009 to do more. Thank you for answering the question, 00:17:12.269 --> 00:17:17.150 Ishika. You know, I agree that our personal background 00:17:17.150 --> 00:17:22.910 as well as cultural, yeah, cultural significance 00:17:22.910 --> 00:17:25.410 is like, they all kind of like contributes to. 00:17:25.740 --> 00:17:30.039 make up what we are to to bring up that identity 00:17:30.039 --> 00:17:35.660 as an artist um kafani yeah i was talking at 00:17:35.660 --> 00:17:40.940 one point by thank you are you back i am back 00:17:40.940 --> 00:17:44.980 my twitter or my ex my ex shut down i don't know 00:17:44.980 --> 00:17:48.299 why so i was trying to like upgrade it and stuff 00:17:50.139 --> 00:17:53.220 So, yeah, Ishika, I really like what you've said 00:17:53.220 --> 00:17:56.220 so far, especially about how you just let colors 00:17:56.220 --> 00:18:00.039 choose you instead of choosing them. That's like, 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:03.599 I really, really like that. I just, I don't know 00:18:03.599 --> 00:18:06.259 why, but I just like how you said, oh, pick me, 00:18:06.359 --> 00:18:09.579 pick me. It's like very interesting. And then 00:18:09.579 --> 00:18:11.920 the way your whole background plays an important 00:18:11.920 --> 00:18:15.819 role in what you create. That is really, it's 00:18:15.819 --> 00:18:19.720 just basically giving what identity. in art is 00:18:19.720 --> 00:18:22.960 supposed to be like um i do have a question for 00:18:22.960 --> 00:18:26.839 you i wanted to know how you decided to stick 00:18:26.839 --> 00:18:30.799 with abstract expressionism like how do you know 00:18:30.799 --> 00:18:33.119 that um it's abstract you wanted to use to tell 00:18:33.119 --> 00:18:35.440 your story i don't know if you said that though 00:18:35.440 --> 00:18:39.779 well like i i want to know And that's a brilliant 00:18:39.779 --> 00:18:44.420 question, Kafani. The thing is, I only do abstract. 00:18:44.799 --> 00:18:49.039 That's my voice. That's my language. And if you 00:18:49.039 --> 00:18:52.140 tell me or if you ask me to do something else, 00:18:52.460 --> 00:18:56.680 I won't be able to do that, Kafani. Can you change 00:18:56.680 --> 00:18:59.900 your voice? Can you change your true identity? 00:19:00.660 --> 00:19:05.470 You can't. You can't really fake it. Some people 00:19:05.470 --> 00:19:08.730 might try to fake it, but it will fall off. You 00:19:08.730 --> 00:19:11.309 know, some people might try to put on a mask 00:19:11.309 --> 00:19:14.130 and maybe fake it for a week. That's it. It's 00:19:14.130 --> 00:19:21.470 a punishment. So I was told by my friends, by 00:19:21.470 --> 00:19:24.869 even my family, like, can you do something else? 00:19:24.910 --> 00:19:28.769 Maybe put a face there. Maybe try some figurative. 00:19:30.309 --> 00:19:34.299 Make some flowers. I was asked many, many, many 00:19:34.299 --> 00:19:38.799 times and I'm like, I can't. If I want to force 00:19:38.799 --> 00:19:42.480 it, maybe, I don't know, but I don't want to 00:19:42.480 --> 00:19:46.059 force it. We are forcing ourselves to behave 00:19:46.059 --> 00:19:49.460 all through our life. Look at us. Look at life. 00:19:49.859 --> 00:19:54.019 Do this and do that, right? And only with art, 00:19:54.079 --> 00:19:57.240 that is the only freedom. I'm trying to break 00:19:57.240 --> 00:20:01.019 rules. I'm trying to not behave. I am tired of 00:20:01.019 --> 00:20:05.539 behaving. I am tired of being a good girl. Art 00:20:05.539 --> 00:20:08.200 is the only time I'm not being a good girl. I 00:20:08.200 --> 00:20:13.710 am being myself. Wild, crazy. Not making sense. 00:20:14.170 --> 00:20:19.069 Mad. And that's the only freedom. So, yes, abstract 00:20:19.069 --> 00:20:27.670 came to me. And abstract chose me. And I'm blessed. 00:20:27.950 --> 00:20:32.329 I'm blessed that it became my voice. I never 00:20:32.329 --> 00:20:35.289 tried anything else because nothing else flew. 00:20:35.609 --> 00:20:39.289 Nothing else really, you know, it's like a stream. 00:20:39.980 --> 00:20:43.740 We are like streams. We are flowing. Nothing 00:20:43.740 --> 00:20:50.319 else flow my boat. Just abstract stayed and stuck 00:20:50.319 --> 00:20:55.880 with me. And I love it. That's the only language 00:20:55.880 --> 00:21:00.539 I know, Kafani. So that's my answer. That's the 00:21:00.539 --> 00:21:09.960 only voice and only language I know. wow Ishika 00:21:09.960 --> 00:21:14.359 you really give um um identity and you know self 00:21:14.359 --> 00:21:18.519 -expression a really deep meaning and it's really 00:21:18.519 --> 00:21:21.440 really good to see because um not everyone can 00:21:21.440 --> 00:21:24.220 say oh they create because it's like a part of 00:21:24.220 --> 00:21:26.980 them it's what they know how to do and I really 00:21:26.980 --> 00:21:30.829 really love to see it and yeah um Have you ever, 00:21:30.869 --> 00:21:33.349 like, learned a lesson in your journey, like, 00:21:33.349 --> 00:21:36.329 an unexpected journey? You just suddenly go down 00:21:36.329 --> 00:21:39.869 and you're like, oh, wow, this is, like, something 00:21:39.869 --> 00:21:42.789 I wish I knew. But now that I've learned my lesson, 00:21:42.890 --> 00:21:45.650 going forward, I will try as much as possible 00:21:45.650 --> 00:21:48.789 to abide by this. I don't know if you've ever 00:21:48.789 --> 00:21:50.730 learned a lesson or, like, something unexpected 00:21:50.730 --> 00:21:53.450 that's ever happened to you on this journey. 00:21:54.400 --> 00:21:57.240 We'd like to hear that. Many lessons, Kafani. 00:21:57.380 --> 00:22:00.859 We are learning every single day. And when you 00:22:00.859 --> 00:22:04.779 are surrounded by a lot of people who make sense, 00:22:05.059 --> 00:22:08.000 who make sense to you, forget the world. I don't 00:22:08.000 --> 00:22:10.720 know about the world, but they make sense to 00:22:10.720 --> 00:22:14.599 me. And I'm always learning. I'm like a sponge. 00:22:14.660 --> 00:22:19.559 We are like sponges here. Always trying to learn, 00:22:19.859 --> 00:22:24.910 change, grow, evolve. Evolution is the word. 00:22:24.970 --> 00:22:29.250 If you are doing the same thing over and over 00:22:29.250 --> 00:22:32.509 for years and years, what's the point? What's 00:22:32.509 --> 00:22:35.529 the fun? Where's the growth? I'm talking about 00:22:35.529 --> 00:22:39.369 spiritual growth, mental growth. So obviously, 00:22:39.650 --> 00:22:43.609 I'm always learning. First of all, when I started 00:22:43.609 --> 00:22:49.829 my online journey, I was. Very sensitive. I'm 00:22:49.829 --> 00:22:53.450 still a very sensitive person, but I think I 00:22:53.450 --> 00:22:57.750 grew a thick skin now. My skin is getting thicker 00:22:57.750 --> 00:23:04.369 and I know when to cut off the noise. I know 00:23:04.369 --> 00:23:09.430 the balance, the thin line between, yes, listen 00:23:09.430 --> 00:23:14.619 to them, but you know what's best for you. That 00:23:14.619 --> 00:23:18.339 wit or wisdom, I think it comes with time when 00:23:18.339 --> 00:23:23.319 you put a lot of time. So at first, when I used 00:23:23.319 --> 00:23:26.559 to get a lot of negative criticism, I used to 00:23:26.559 --> 00:23:29.640 take them very personally. I used to get sad, 00:23:29.839 --> 00:23:35.619 but I don't anymore. I think that came from experience, 00:23:36.059 --> 00:23:39.140 online experience. You know, there are bullies 00:23:39.140 --> 00:23:42.740 here. There are toxic people here. Not everyone 00:23:42.740 --> 00:23:49.079 really like you. And you don't have to like everyone 00:23:49.079 --> 00:23:52.740 either, right? And at the end of the day, knowing 00:23:52.740 --> 00:23:57.359 where is your right vibe. Salt and sugar, they 00:23:57.359 --> 00:24:00.119 look the same, but they're not same thing, right? 00:24:00.859 --> 00:24:04.720 When you stay with them, with both salt and sugar, 00:24:04.859 --> 00:24:09.759 you realize the difference. And you know where 00:24:09.759 --> 00:24:13.339 you are vibing more. Where is your right energy? 00:24:14.140 --> 00:24:20.119 So number one, I started cutting off some noise. 00:24:20.859 --> 00:24:24.500 Joy of missing out. I learned that instead of 00:24:24.500 --> 00:24:28.900 fear of missing out. I don't have to be everywhere 00:24:28.900 --> 00:24:33.910 all the time. started being selective, started 00:24:33.910 --> 00:24:39.029 choosing my right audience where I felt more 00:24:39.029 --> 00:24:44.779 me. And also a giving is beautiful. But at one 00:24:44.779 --> 00:24:50.200 point growing up, you get tired of constant giving, 00:24:50.420 --> 00:24:54.539 that you betray yourself. You are a little unkind 00:24:54.539 --> 00:24:57.940 to yourself. You are forgetting yourself. You 00:24:57.940 --> 00:25:01.119 are not being kind to yourself. So I also learned 00:25:01.119 --> 00:25:06.059 that balance. I like Vulcan knows my journey 00:25:06.059 --> 00:25:09.819 here on Twitter. My first year in NFTs, I was 00:25:09.819 --> 00:25:14.079 everywhere, Kafani, everywhere. Daily spaces, 00:25:14.640 --> 00:25:18.700 seven hour, eight hour spaces, almost like whole 00:25:18.700 --> 00:25:24.339 day talking, sharing. I got tired physically 00:25:24.339 --> 00:25:27.619 and mentally. And my art was hurting. I couldn't 00:25:27.619 --> 00:25:30.920 make art. At one point, I was thinking exactly 00:25:30.920 --> 00:25:35.119 what am I doing here? I am actually betraying 00:25:35.119 --> 00:25:39.140 my creative self. I can't make art when my brain 00:25:39.140 --> 00:25:43.650 is dead tired. So knowing that balance. when 00:25:43.650 --> 00:25:47.450 to take a break, when to say no. And if they 00:25:47.450 --> 00:25:51.069 are your true friend, they will understand your 00:25:51.069 --> 00:25:53.950 no, they will respect your no, because you're 00:25:53.950 --> 00:25:58.750 not a robot. You're not a superman. We are just 00:25:58.750 --> 00:26:03.509 normal human beings trying to sort life. So knowing 00:26:03.509 --> 00:26:07.250 that balance as well, online and offline, taking 00:26:07.250 --> 00:26:12.210 healthy breaks, saying... a lot more know without 00:26:12.210 --> 00:26:23.250 feeling guilty. That's important. And being kinder 00:26:23.250 --> 00:26:27.910 to myself, I started learning that. More self 00:26:27.910 --> 00:26:33.049 -respect, barriers, healthy boundaries, like 00:26:33.049 --> 00:26:37.450 being kind and sweet and nice is beautiful, but 00:26:37.450 --> 00:26:41.819 also knowing. The boundaries, healthy boundaries 00:26:41.819 --> 00:26:46.299 and respecting others' boundaries too. You know, 00:26:46.339 --> 00:26:50.440 the mutual respect has to be there. So all these 00:26:50.440 --> 00:26:54.319 are my daily lessons, Kafani, every single time. 00:26:54.559 --> 00:26:58.660 There are inspirations everywhere, lessons everywhere. 00:26:58.940 --> 00:27:04.380 And we are trying to go through all those exploring 00:27:04.380 --> 00:27:12.970 bits together. But brilliant question. Thank 00:27:12.970 --> 00:27:15.670 you so much. I feel like these lessons you've 00:27:15.670 --> 00:27:19.450 learned can also be a guide to everyone that 00:27:19.450 --> 00:27:23.450 listens to this space, you know, to like know 00:27:23.450 --> 00:27:26.210 their own audience, you know, block out the negative 00:27:26.210 --> 00:27:30.349 crowds and just, you know, focusing on your art 00:27:30.349 --> 00:27:33.329 and doing what makes you happy. Because honestly, 00:27:33.650 --> 00:27:37.599 to me personally, I feel like. People will always 00:27:37.599 --> 00:27:40.400 definitely have things to say. So it's just up 00:27:40.400 --> 00:27:43.220 to you to choose what you want to hear, the important 00:27:43.220 --> 00:27:46.660 ones and the ones that are like positive criticism 00:27:46.660 --> 00:27:50.720 that can put you on the right path. So definitely 00:27:50.720 --> 00:27:54.059 all you have said is actually good. And I feel 00:27:54.059 --> 00:27:56.559 like I will take some notes, you know, to, you 00:27:56.559 --> 00:28:01.420 know, better my art careers. Yeah. What of you 00:28:01.420 --> 00:28:05.369 Volkan? What do you think? Yeah, I agree with 00:28:05.369 --> 00:28:08.430 what you said, Stephanie. I just wanted to know 00:28:08.430 --> 00:28:16.069 how you normally take people's interpretation 00:28:16.069 --> 00:28:22.849 of your work, especially when it's not particularly 00:28:22.849 --> 00:28:25.970 what you were trying to convey and they have 00:28:25.970 --> 00:28:33.059 a different take on your work. Absolutely. Another 00:28:33.059 --> 00:28:38.519 very good question, Vulcan. So, as I mentioned, 00:28:38.779 --> 00:28:44.599 the start of my journey, I was very sensitive. 00:28:44.680 --> 00:28:48.599 I was taking everything personally. But now, 00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:54.519 I know after all these years, people are free 00:28:54.519 --> 00:28:58.670 to... carry their own dialogues, carry their 00:28:58.670 --> 00:29:03.150 own interpretations of things. To think their 00:29:03.150 --> 00:29:06.289 way, it's absolutely fine and it's their freedom, 00:29:06.490 --> 00:29:11.390 right? You can't force love. You shouldn't force 00:29:11.390 --> 00:29:16.569 love. And if it comes, it comes. If it doesn't, 00:29:16.569 --> 00:29:20.769 it doesn't. So with abstract, I felt the same 00:29:20.769 --> 00:29:25.200 way. Not everyone. getting my ideas, getting 00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:27.880 my colors, getting my concept or getting me. 00:29:28.180 --> 00:29:32.599 And that's fine. They don't have to. And I don't 00:29:32.599 --> 00:29:37.880 expect them to understand 100 % of what I'm saying. 00:29:38.559 --> 00:29:44.059 But what I really... appreciate when people are 00:29:44.059 --> 00:29:48.240 respectful even if you are giving me constructive 00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:51.319 criticism even if you are saying something that 00:29:51.319 --> 00:29:54.900 you absolutely hated in my art but with respect 00:29:54.900 --> 00:29:59.279 you know that there is an art form of everything 00:29:59.279 --> 00:30:04.910 even showing um the signs of I didn't really 00:30:04.910 --> 00:30:07.509 like this art. I didn't really like this color. 00:30:07.609 --> 00:30:13.089 But you can say it nicely, too. So that one I 00:30:13.089 --> 00:30:17.150 noticed. And obviously, I also understand language 00:30:17.150 --> 00:30:22.109 barriers, cultural barriers. We all grew up in 00:30:22.109 --> 00:30:31.349 different environment. What is normal to me might 00:30:31.349 --> 00:30:36.569 not be normal to Zizi or Aida, right? So knowing 00:30:36.569 --> 00:30:40.390 that we all have different cultural heritage 00:30:40.390 --> 00:30:43.569 and background and differences, understanding 00:30:43.569 --> 00:30:46.890 and respecting each other's differences is the 00:30:46.890 --> 00:30:54.430 key, you know? And so I respect whatever they 00:30:54.430 --> 00:30:59.900 had to share, had to say. I listen, obviously 00:30:59.900 --> 00:31:03.420 I listen, Vulcan. But at the end of the day, 00:31:03.460 --> 00:31:07.619 I also know where to not take things personally 00:31:07.619 --> 00:31:11.779 and where to say thank you for your insights. 00:31:11.980 --> 00:31:18.940 Thank you for your feedback. And knowing I know 00:31:18.940 --> 00:31:24.019 what I'm doing. I know I'm doing the right thing 00:31:24.019 --> 00:31:30.680 with my art. And also knowing. That there are 00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:34.980 also things I need to improve slowly, one step 00:31:34.980 --> 00:31:37.599 at a time. I'm not saying we are all perfect 00:31:37.599 --> 00:31:41.599 human beings because we are not, right? We all 00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:46.200 have our own flaws. So understanding and slowly, 00:31:46.299 --> 00:31:51.779 not overnight, slowly trying to get better. at 00:31:51.779 --> 00:31:55.640 your weaknesses is also another key. And another 00:31:55.640 --> 00:31:59.119 thing is when you break through your comfort 00:31:59.119 --> 00:32:06.519 zone and taking things one step at a time, actually 00:32:06.519 --> 00:32:10.819 it inspires you to become better because nothing 00:32:10.819 --> 00:32:14.920 much grows within your comfort zone. It's just 00:32:14.920 --> 00:32:18.299 your safety net, but you don't really grow much 00:32:18.299 --> 00:32:23.210 there. Slowly overcoming that fear of breaking 00:32:23.210 --> 00:32:27.029 through your comfort zone, listening to others' 00:32:27.250 --> 00:32:31.210 opinions and feedbacks and insights, but also 00:32:31.210 --> 00:32:37.369 knowing your self -worth and that knowledge of 00:32:37.369 --> 00:32:42.190 it's not like I'm the only perfect human being 00:32:42.190 --> 00:32:48.150 ever existed. It's not that. Knowing that. That 00:32:48.150 --> 00:32:51.490 knowledge is also very important in this journey. 00:32:51.589 --> 00:32:59.750 Welcome. Thank you, Ashika. And I wanted to go 00:32:59.750 --> 00:33:05.109 back to what you said about your collector's 00:33:05.109 --> 00:33:09.559 rationale to you. use a particular type of color 00:33:09.559 --> 00:33:15.019 palette or anything. And I just like for my personal 00:33:15.019 --> 00:33:17.740 observation, I could see that red is kind of 00:33:17.740 --> 00:33:23.559 like a very dominant color in your work. What 00:33:23.559 --> 00:33:26.400 would you say is like your favorite colors and 00:33:26.400 --> 00:33:33.089 what does this color mean to you? A lot of yellow 00:33:33.089 --> 00:33:36.390 and orange you will find everywhere. I love red 00:33:36.390 --> 00:33:41.569 as well. So anything that's bright and vibrant 00:33:41.569 --> 00:33:48.230 and brings me warmth. I like it's very intuitive. 00:33:48.509 --> 00:33:52.450 I'm not planning a palette. They come to me. 00:33:52.529 --> 00:33:58.640 So I noticed I think it's the. culture where 00:33:58.640 --> 00:34:01.759 I'm from, it's the weather, it's the people, 00:34:02.039 --> 00:34:07.920 it's the warmth. So I'm making a lot of art where 00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:13.960 yellow, hues of orange and red is very visible. 00:34:14.340 --> 00:34:21.500 But yes, but when it's time to sell your art, 00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:28.599 I get a lot of requests. for more blue art, more, 00:34:28.780 --> 00:34:33.719 you know, colder tones. And I respect those requests 00:34:33.719 --> 00:34:37.440 too. Obviously, we all have our own choices. 00:34:37.900 --> 00:34:41.019 But if you ask me my favorite colors, it has 00:34:41.019 --> 00:34:44.760 to be yellow. It has to be orange, you know, 00:34:44.780 --> 00:34:48.239 bright and summer. It has to be something summery. 00:34:51.059 --> 00:34:55.920 It's nice to hear your take on owl. Like, those 00:34:55.920 --> 00:34:59.880 bright and warm colors, like, you can kind of, 00:34:59.880 --> 00:35:04.000 like, feel it in the arts, like, from red to 00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:11.380 orange. Yeah, it's a symbol of warmth, and it's 00:35:11.380 --> 00:35:16.260 kind of, like, dominant in your work. So, going 00:35:16.260 --> 00:35:24.090 to, going to, like, going to the fun part of 00:35:24.090 --> 00:35:29.070 it like what is the um what is a particular type 00:35:29.070 --> 00:35:32.349 of scene that i've kind of like inspired your 00:35:32.349 --> 00:35:37.869 work like let's say maybe if it's a song or it 00:35:37.869 --> 00:35:40.130 could be like like what's the weirdest object 00:35:40.130 --> 00:35:42.070 or scene that i've kind of like inspired your 00:35:42.070 --> 00:35:46.750 work um is there any any like story you like 00:35:46.750 --> 00:35:48.869 to kind of like share with us about a particular 00:35:48.869 --> 00:35:53.909 piece that You feel that it was inspired by something 00:35:53.909 --> 00:36:01.170 really funny? A lot of my artworks are actually 00:36:01.170 --> 00:36:07.130 mirroring my own life. The songs I'm listening 00:36:07.130 --> 00:36:10.730 to, the book I'm reading, the poetry I'm vibing 00:36:10.730 --> 00:36:18.530 with. I studied literature in university. And 00:36:18.530 --> 00:36:24.369 I'm a huge, big fan of poetry. Many of my artworks 00:36:24.369 --> 00:36:30.190 are inspired by poets and poetry, music and lyrics 00:36:30.190 --> 00:36:35.869 and songs, things like that. Funny, if you are 00:36:35.869 --> 00:36:39.610 asking me funny experience, like I have some 00:36:39.610 --> 00:36:43.289 weird experience. I listen to one song. If I 00:36:43.289 --> 00:36:46.369 pick a song for the day, I'll be listening the 00:36:46.369 --> 00:36:50.170 same song. whole day Vulcan, maybe 50 times, 00:36:50.230 --> 00:36:53.730 maybe 60 times. And my daughter goes crazy about 00:36:53.730 --> 00:36:57.269 it. She's like, mom, please use headphones or 00:36:57.269 --> 00:37:00.849 please don't stay in the same room. She goes 00:37:00.849 --> 00:37:06.150 crazy. But my brain, I don't know, it works differently 00:37:06.150 --> 00:37:09.750 when it comes to music. When I love something 00:37:09.750 --> 00:37:14.570 Vulcan, I love it with whole heart. I can't. 00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:18.900 do half -hearted love i can't and if i'm loving 00:37:18.900 --> 00:37:22.199 your music if i'm loving your song if i'm loving 00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:25.800 your poetry i'd be reading that again and again 00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:29.920 and again and i don't get tired so that's the 00:37:29.920 --> 00:37:32.300 weird thing i listen to the same song almost 00:37:32.300 --> 00:37:37.440 all day and they inspire um my artworks later 00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:40.079 so maybe the same day i was painting something 00:37:40.079 --> 00:37:43.619 and i dedicate those artworks to the song like 00:37:43.619 --> 00:37:47.360 you shared here knocking on heaven's door that's 00:37:47.360 --> 00:37:51.079 the song and that day that was the song of my 00:37:51.079 --> 00:37:56.440 day and i was making one or two art both artworks 00:37:56.440 --> 00:38:00.199 they were heavily inspired by the lyrics and 00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:03.679 the song so yeah that's a weird experience i 00:38:03.679 --> 00:38:09.289 would say funny I think my art actually comes 00:38:09.289 --> 00:38:13.510 mostly from the weird side of things. Not very 00:38:13.510 --> 00:38:17.210 funny experience, probably. Or you could consider 00:38:17.210 --> 00:38:19.650 this as funny, like listening to the same song 00:38:19.650 --> 00:38:25.230 all day. Some might find it funny. Some find 00:38:25.230 --> 00:38:29.949 it funny. Some find it annoying. I have something 00:38:29.949 --> 00:38:33.849 similar with you. I could like one particular 00:38:33.849 --> 00:38:37.449 song and then I could listen to it like so much 00:38:37.449 --> 00:38:42.349 that my sister could just be like, just shut 00:38:42.349 --> 00:38:45.130 up about this song already. Like I know the lyrics 00:38:45.130 --> 00:38:49.050 just from you playing the song. And I don't know 00:38:49.050 --> 00:38:51.809 the lyrics, but that's just the way it is. Like 00:38:51.809 --> 00:38:54.269 I could just keep playing the song, playing the 00:38:54.269 --> 00:39:00.550 song and playing the song. Yeah. Welcome. Did 00:39:00.550 --> 00:39:03.880 you see my Spotify rap? like i've listened to 00:39:03.880 --> 00:39:07.380 jimmy cook so much that i can sing the lyrics 00:39:07.380 --> 00:39:09.159 like if you should wait me from sleep now tell 00:39:09.159 --> 00:39:11.599 me to sing jimmy cook i would sing it from without 00:39:11.599 --> 00:39:14.139 missing a beat and everybody's already annoyed 00:39:14.139 --> 00:39:16.440 as that song well i really like the song especially 00:39:16.440 --> 00:39:19.440 when i'm like walking out or something just keeps 00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:21.639 me motivated and i just feel so happy listening 00:39:21.639 --> 00:39:24.440 to it and i feel like it's not weird i feel like 00:39:24.440 --> 00:39:30.199 it's unique it's funny about that specify rap 00:39:30.199 --> 00:39:34.300 because like Someone even knew this song that 00:39:34.300 --> 00:39:37.639 was going to be the top song in my playlist without 00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:39.840 me even kind of like checking at that point. 00:39:39.980 --> 00:39:41.699 They're just like, okay, go and check. Like, 00:39:41.739 --> 00:39:44.079 it's definitely this, right? It's definitely 00:39:44.079 --> 00:39:47.699 this. And I checked it and it was it. Like, it 00:39:47.699 --> 00:39:49.659 was one particular song that I played from the 00:39:49.659 --> 00:39:53.139 beginning of February. So, you know, I still 00:39:53.139 --> 00:39:55.480 love this song, but that was just the way it 00:39:55.480 --> 00:40:00.239 was. But then I actually do get tired of some 00:40:00.239 --> 00:40:03.590 songs, yeah. Like maybe my mood, I would just 00:40:03.590 --> 00:40:04.929 be like, oh, this is not the right song, this 00:40:04.929 --> 00:40:07.610 is not the right song. But, oh well, I still 00:40:07.610 --> 00:40:10.190 like the song that I like. And I just feel like, 00:40:10.269 --> 00:40:12.949 well, we have this. For us, like, you want one 00:40:12.949 --> 00:40:15.150 song for this long and you're not getting tired 00:40:15.150 --> 00:40:20.050 of it. You definitely have this. So, Yeshika, 00:40:20.170 --> 00:40:23.369 like in terms of music, like what type of music 00:40:23.369 --> 00:40:28.409 inspires you the most to create? Like, how is 00:40:28.409 --> 00:40:33.480 your ritual like? Some people tend to start using 00:40:33.480 --> 00:40:38.440 this different type of, let's say, occultic type 00:40:38.440 --> 00:40:41.699 of songs or different types and then there's 00:40:41.699 --> 00:40:46.460 jazz. But what's your own type of ritual? This 00:40:46.460 --> 00:40:49.860 is a very interesting question, Falcon, because 00:40:49.860 --> 00:40:54.179 if I go and check my Spotify from Ariana Grande 00:40:54.179 --> 00:40:59.610 to Elvis Presley. to anyone and everyone is there 00:40:59.610 --> 00:41:07.489 from one direction um to even some persian singers 00:41:07.489 --> 00:41:12.269 spanish italian i don't understand language but 00:41:12.269 --> 00:41:16.250 i'm listening to them i'm literally enjoying 00:41:19.000 --> 00:41:23.579 The sound of their voice, music, I don't understand 00:41:23.579 --> 00:41:27.360 the lyrics. So anything and everything is on 00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:33.300 my Spotify. And it's mainly my mood. Mostly, 00:41:33.300 --> 00:41:39.639 I like... country songs mostly i'm a very romantic 00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:44.219 person by the way so i'm mostly um listening 00:41:44.219 --> 00:41:48.780 to very romantic songs all day sad songs sad 00:41:48.780 --> 00:41:51.539 songs i love sad songs even when i'm in happy 00:41:51.539 --> 00:41:54.840 mood i can listen to sad songs yeah kafani i 00:41:54.840 --> 00:42:03.530 see your hand i wanted to say that When you said 00:42:03.530 --> 00:42:05.690 that you listened to an Italian song and a French 00:42:05.690 --> 00:42:09.210 song, I wanted to say that I relate so bad. Because 00:42:09.210 --> 00:42:11.530 one time, someone asked me, can you speak French? 00:42:11.690 --> 00:42:13.989 And I said, yes. I can speak French, but I can't 00:42:13.989 --> 00:42:16.250 sing one French song like this. I can't even 00:42:16.250 --> 00:42:18.929 pronounce the name of the song. But I really 00:42:18.929 --> 00:42:21.909 like the song so much that I can sing it. And 00:42:21.909 --> 00:42:23.989 they asked me if I can speak French. And they 00:42:23.989 --> 00:42:25.489 said I should speak French. And I stayed singing 00:42:25.489 --> 00:42:27.130 the song. And everybody was looking at me like 00:42:27.130 --> 00:42:30.750 I was crazy. But, well, I know what I know. and 00:42:30.750 --> 00:42:33.929 i can also relate to having different songs because 00:42:33.929 --> 00:42:36.570 sometimes people ask me what genre do i listen 00:42:36.570 --> 00:42:40.110 to and to me music is not about the genre it's 00:42:40.110 --> 00:42:42.550 just about how this music feels when i listen 00:42:42.550 --> 00:42:46.849 to it so my playlist is like a mix of a lot of 00:42:46.849 --> 00:42:50.070 things and yeah i feel i feel like it's really 00:42:50.070 --> 00:42:52.110 cool it's really the coolest people that have 00:42:52.110 --> 00:42:54.449 playlists like that And I feel like I should 00:42:54.449 --> 00:42:57.230 listen to your playlist because I'm not sure 00:42:57.230 --> 00:42:59.849 I'm a romantic person. And I don't think I listen 00:42:59.849 --> 00:43:02.289 to sad songs like my sister. Because my sister 00:43:02.289 --> 00:43:06.110 playlists, her top 10 songs were sad. Like Kilo 00:43:06.110 --> 00:43:09.630 Dei, Kilo Shele, Please. But I really definitely 00:43:09.630 --> 00:43:11.550 want to listen to your playlist because it's 00:43:11.550 --> 00:43:18.650 the same. Kafa, this just reminds me of the time 00:43:18.650 --> 00:43:21.329 we used to be in the studio in the architecture 00:43:21.329 --> 00:43:23.880 department and then... Everybody will be like, 00:43:23.900 --> 00:43:25.719 who's going to connect to the Bluetooth? And 00:43:25.719 --> 00:43:27.579 I'll be like, yes, I'm going to connect to the 00:43:27.579 --> 00:43:30.519 Bluetooth. And then I'll play my music. And they'll 00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:33.760 be like, guy, this place is not a burial ground. 00:43:33.980 --> 00:43:38.440 Why is it so sad like this? I was like, it's 00:43:38.440 --> 00:43:41.280 just the music. I said, don't make me sleep. 00:43:41.559 --> 00:43:44.739 But yeah, that's just the way I kind of like 00:43:44.739 --> 00:43:49.119 the music. I guess for music, people have different 00:43:49.119 --> 00:43:53.480 things that's really... Really key them in and 00:43:53.480 --> 00:43:57.039 really bring them together. For some, it's usually 00:43:57.039 --> 00:43:59.960 those fast ones. And for some, it's usually the 00:43:59.960 --> 00:44:04.519 slow ones. And then it depends on the mood. And 00:44:04.519 --> 00:44:12.099 going on to like, in terms of the platforms and 00:44:12.099 --> 00:44:18.559 marketplaces, like, have you, like, what's like 00:44:18.559 --> 00:44:21.139 your favorite platform for sharing your art? 00:44:21.599 --> 00:44:27.940 And why? A platform, I mean, a social media platform, 00:44:28.059 --> 00:44:31.360 you're saying, like Twitter? Yes. Okay. Yes, 00:44:31.380 --> 00:44:38.239 I would say Twitter because most of my... I think 00:44:38.239 --> 00:44:40.880 it happened after NFTs, I'll be honest. Before 00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:43.880 NFTs, I was still on Twitter, but I didn't enjoy 00:44:43.880 --> 00:44:47.659 it much and I wasn't sharing much. And the audience 00:44:47.659 --> 00:44:52.780 was very different. But after NFTs, of course, 00:44:52.840 --> 00:44:56.800 I would be very proudly saying I love Twitter 00:44:56.800 --> 00:45:00.300 or X because it doesn't only give me an audience, 00:45:00.820 --> 00:45:04.739 but we have discussion and especially for Twitter 00:45:04.739 --> 00:45:09.679 spaces. I feel like. This is where I'm also learning. 00:45:09.940 --> 00:45:14.019 It's like my school every day. I'm learning things. 00:45:14.199 --> 00:45:16.800 I'm trying to teach things as well. It's mutual. 00:45:17.380 --> 00:45:23.920 And then art -wise, I can reach to a lot of people 00:45:23.920 --> 00:45:27.860 who are vibing with my energy and my colors. 00:45:27.920 --> 00:45:33.940 They understand me, I feel like. Forget algorithm 00:45:33.940 --> 00:45:37.800 because algorithm has been crazy and we don't 00:45:37.800 --> 00:45:42.400 understand it much. But audience wise, I love 00:45:42.400 --> 00:45:45.079 the audience I have here rather than Instagram, 00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:49.199 rather than LinkedIn or rather than threads. 00:45:49.340 --> 00:45:53.480 I'm also active on other on those platforms. 00:45:55.500 --> 00:46:02.570 But I feel like Instagram has been. quite different 00:46:02.570 --> 00:46:08.150 recently and it's mainly based on reels videos 00:46:08.150 --> 00:46:12.710 i'm not a very real or video type of person i'm 00:46:12.710 --> 00:46:19.269 more confident sharing my art and less of myself 00:46:20.159 --> 00:46:25.139 Because I'm also kind of I try because I get 00:46:25.139 --> 00:46:28.440 asked, like sharing some of your photos, your 00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:32.199 personal from your personal life as well, probably 00:46:32.199 --> 00:46:35.119 make you more human on this platform. So why 00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:38.280 don't you share more of your from your daily 00:46:38.280 --> 00:46:42.539 life? Probably. I struggle there. I'll be honest. 00:46:43.340 --> 00:46:48.960 But but I do share on Instagram stories, sometimes 00:46:48.960 --> 00:46:52.159 things from my daily life, because I feel like 00:46:52.159 --> 00:46:56.280 it's just for 24 hours, the stories and you can 00:46:56.280 --> 00:46:59.559 delete any time and you feel like little bit. 00:47:01.119 --> 00:47:03.900 less uncomfortable that way I don't know why 00:47:03.900 --> 00:47:07.000 it happens to me like I would share my picnic 00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:11.260 stories maybe the exhibition where I was going 00:47:11.260 --> 00:47:15.260 but or maybe I met up with some friends I'm sharing 00:47:15.260 --> 00:47:18.739 those personal photos on Instagram stories rather 00:47:18.739 --> 00:47:21.360 than on Twitter rather than on never on LinkedIn 00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:25.039 I wouldn't be able to do it on LinkedIn this 00:47:25.039 --> 00:47:28.199 is funny how different platforms have different 00:47:28.199 --> 00:47:33.579 vibes but They all can be beneficial for you 00:47:33.579 --> 00:47:36.880 if you know when to and where to. I feel like 00:47:36.880 --> 00:47:40.599 I know a little bit of what works for me now 00:47:40.599 --> 00:47:45.760 after five years of social media presence. And 00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:51.880 I try to do it in a comfortable way. No rush. 00:47:52.179 --> 00:47:55.199 I never feel forced or I never feel that rush. 00:47:55.480 --> 00:47:58.659 Like, what's the rush? I'm here to stay. So, 00:47:58.760 --> 00:48:01.940 yes, Twitter would be my most favorite platform 00:48:01.940 --> 00:48:05.900 to share art. But if I want to share a personal 00:48:05.900 --> 00:48:08.579 side of things, I would take it to Instagram 00:48:08.579 --> 00:48:20.260 stories. Thank you, Ishika. Yeah, Kafani. Yeah, 00:48:20.340 --> 00:48:23.980 that would be very interesting because me, myself, 00:48:24.039 --> 00:48:26.800 I post my day -to -day activities on Instagram. 00:48:27.599 --> 00:48:29.980 And, you know, I can't post it on LinkedIn, though, 00:48:30.059 --> 00:48:34.059 like you said. I have a question. I think it's 00:48:34.059 --> 00:48:36.280 a funny question, but it's a question about this. 00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:39.659 If you were never an artist, what would you be? 00:48:41.760 --> 00:48:46.840 Wow. I thought of that question a lot. I would 00:48:46.840 --> 00:48:51.800 be lost. I would be completely lost. But I know 00:48:51.800 --> 00:48:55.360 my second love after abstract, my second love 00:48:55.360 --> 00:49:01.559 is poetry. And I was writing poetry through my 00:49:01.559 --> 00:49:05.860 teenage years to university days. I stopped writing 00:49:05.860 --> 00:49:08.900 at some point. I don't write anymore. My dad 00:49:08.900 --> 00:49:13.860 is not happy about that. Dad, yeah, he's like, 00:49:14.019 --> 00:49:18.800 I wish you were still writing. So if I wasn't 00:49:18.800 --> 00:49:21.769 me. Making abstract. Probably I would be writing 00:49:21.769 --> 00:49:27.289 poetry. Singing never came to me. My singing 00:49:27.289 --> 00:49:31.150 voice is horrid. Absolutely nightmare. So my 00:49:31.150 --> 00:49:35.309 mom, she always wanted me to sing. So she even 00:49:35.309 --> 00:49:40.050 hired a singing tutor for me. And that poor man 00:49:40.050 --> 00:49:42.789 left me within a week. He was like, oh my gosh, 00:49:42.869 --> 00:49:47.159 this girl, she has no hope. singing career or 00:49:47.159 --> 00:49:52.280 voice please uh i won't be wasting my time trying 00:49:52.280 --> 00:49:56.420 to teach her i'm actually i felt bad for that 00:49:56.420 --> 00:50:01.159 poor uh music teacher but mom was heartbroken 00:50:01.159 --> 00:50:04.960 mom was like oh my gosh uh because my other two 00:50:04.960 --> 00:50:08.400 sisters they are beautiful singers they can sing 00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:12.750 like They could have been professional singers, 00:50:12.929 --> 00:50:16.269 but they didn't take the professional side of 00:50:16.269 --> 00:50:20.429 things. But they sing beautifully. And then mom 00:50:20.429 --> 00:50:23.190 thought, OK, I would be singing, too. But that 00:50:23.190 --> 00:50:26.829 never happened. So, yes, if I wasn't making art, 00:50:27.030 --> 00:50:34.289 I would be writing poetry for sure. I feel like 00:50:34.289 --> 00:50:37.190 I can relate to a lot of things you said today. 00:50:37.489 --> 00:50:39.929 Because I remember when I was really young and 00:50:39.929 --> 00:50:42.750 my siblings could sing. They could sing like 00:50:42.750 --> 00:50:45.010 angels. And a lot of people around me could sing. 00:50:45.110 --> 00:50:47.389 And I'm like, oh, wow. What am I the odd one 00:50:47.389 --> 00:50:50.469 out? What's my talent? What can I actually do? 00:50:50.530 --> 00:50:54.150 Because I can't sing. I could dance, but I could 00:50:54.150 --> 00:50:56.710 not really dance like that. I was just always 00:50:56.710 --> 00:50:59.369 wondering, what can I do? Because everybody can 00:50:59.369 --> 00:51:01.909 do this, do this, do this. Well, look at me today. 00:51:02.360 --> 00:51:05.300 i found out my talent is photography so i can't 00:51:05.300 --> 00:51:07.420 sing i don't even want to sing anymore with my 00:51:07.420 --> 00:51:10.239 terrible single singing voice it's not that bad 00:51:10.239 --> 00:51:12.360 though i feel like it's not that bad people are 00:51:12.360 --> 00:51:17.119 just complaining that it's bad please anyhow 00:51:17.119 --> 00:51:20.219 it was like good to really um connect with you 00:51:20.219 --> 00:51:24.000 today ishika And yeah, I wanted to say, do you 00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:27.300 like have advice to other artists just starting 00:51:27.300 --> 00:51:30.400 off? It doesn't have to be like abstract expressionist 00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:32.980 artists, but like artists in general. Do you 00:51:32.980 --> 00:51:39.099 have an advice for them? Yes. I think from my 00:51:39.099 --> 00:51:43.719 own observation of things, Vulcan. Okay. I thought 00:51:43.719 --> 00:51:45.960 Vulcan was talking. Vulcan, did you want to say 00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:48.260 something? I just wanted to kind of like add 00:51:48.260 --> 00:51:52.929 on to that question. Apart from advice, from 00:51:52.929 --> 00:51:58.869 artists struggling with finding their identity 00:51:58.869 --> 00:52:05.929 as well, do you have any advice? And also, in 00:52:05.929 --> 00:52:10.110 order to also add to the question, artists struggling 00:52:10.110 --> 00:52:13.409 with keeping up with their social media, because 00:52:13.409 --> 00:52:16.570 I don't know how you do it, but every time, every 00:52:16.570 --> 00:52:20.760 day, you post daily. I know at one particular 00:52:20.760 --> 00:52:22.940 point in time, it could get someone burnt out. 00:52:23.099 --> 00:52:30.099 So what type of advice would you give? So only 00:52:30.099 --> 00:52:33.179 from my personal experience, what worked for 00:52:33.179 --> 00:52:40.079 me, Vulcan, I would suggest anyone who is considering 00:52:40.079 --> 00:52:44.440 making their art visible to the wider audience, 00:52:44.820 --> 00:52:49.829 keep sharing, keep making art. keep them coming 00:52:49.829 --> 00:52:55.090 and keep sharing please but don't expect everyone 00:52:55.090 --> 00:53:00.769 to understand you have that self -respect have 00:53:00.769 --> 00:53:05.369 that self -confidence within you so intact and 00:53:05.369 --> 00:53:09.230 so strong that nothing else can break you apart 00:53:09.230 --> 00:53:12.590 when they say oh we don't like your art don't 00:53:13.099 --> 00:53:16.320 Don't get heartbroken because that's just their 00:53:16.320 --> 00:53:21.059 perspective of things. Right. And be resilient. 00:53:22.320 --> 00:53:27.000 I think that's the key. You have to have a thicker 00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:35.639 skin and you have to be always. To have that 00:53:35.639 --> 00:53:40.579 open -mindedness as well. Knowing not everyone 00:53:40.579 --> 00:53:43.579 is your cup of tea and you are not everyone's. 00:53:43.760 --> 00:53:49.500 We all are unique individuals. So, yes, be resilient. 00:53:50.699 --> 00:53:55.599 Keep learning new stuff. Keep evolving. Keep 00:53:55.599 --> 00:54:05.219 exploring newness. And be self -aware. At first, 00:54:05.239 --> 00:54:10.019 you have to know who you really are. Who are 00:54:10.019 --> 00:54:15.019 you at the start of the day when you wake up 00:54:15.019 --> 00:54:20.239 knowing, okay, what exactly I'll be doing today? 00:54:20.920 --> 00:54:25.019 How much do you understand you? Try to figure 00:54:25.019 --> 00:54:28.460 that out and everything else will just become 00:54:28.460 --> 00:54:37.699 noise. Mindfulness is so important. We get very 00:54:37.699 --> 00:54:43.360 distracted here. We get very, it's very noisy 00:54:43.360 --> 00:54:50.340 up here, right? So knowing how to set goals, 00:54:50.599 --> 00:54:57.619 knowing how to be flexible with that positive 00:54:57.619 --> 00:55:07.530 mindfulness. And a lot of gratitude. Don't take 00:55:07.530 --> 00:55:12.269 things as granted. Never take things as granted. 00:55:12.349 --> 00:55:15.510 We don't know what's coming tomorrow. We have 00:55:15.510 --> 00:55:25.010 no idea. So expressing a lot of gratitude. And 00:55:25.010 --> 00:55:30.110 a lot of patience. No rush. Don't force yourself 00:55:30.110 --> 00:55:33.619 to be always running. Take the healthy break. 00:55:34.840 --> 00:55:38.659 Celebrate all those little wins. Whatever is 00:55:38.659 --> 00:55:43.599 happening today, you know how much hard work 00:55:43.599 --> 00:55:48.980 went behind that tiny win, right? Celebrate that 00:55:48.980 --> 00:55:54.300 tiny win. Celebrate you and prioritize yourself, 00:55:54.639 --> 00:55:59.090 your well -being. Be kind to yourself. I'm actually 00:55:59.090 --> 00:56:02.489 telling myself the more I'll be talking about 00:56:02.489 --> 00:56:06.150 these, I'm reminding myself to be a better human 00:56:06.150 --> 00:56:10.570 being also for myself. Welcome. So all these 00:56:10.570 --> 00:56:15.190 would be my little piece of advice for anyone 00:56:15.190 --> 00:56:19.630 who is trying to navigate through this beautiful 00:56:19.630 --> 00:56:26.030 journey called life and art. Thank you, Echika. 00:56:26.429 --> 00:56:31.889 It's been really warm having this interview session 00:56:31.889 --> 00:56:35.929 with you. It's been an interesting session. I 00:56:35.929 --> 00:56:41.050 got to learn a lot about how you view art, how 00:56:41.050 --> 00:56:49.210 much you enjoy art. And I don't know what, in 00:56:49.210 --> 00:56:52.210 a way, like you said, like you don't really do 00:56:52.210 --> 00:56:55.449 poetry, but I feel like what you do. it's um 00:56:55.449 --> 00:57:02.469 visual poetry like you you kind of evolved um 00:57:02.469 --> 00:57:07.449 going on from someone that writes poetry and 00:57:07.449 --> 00:57:10.670 then from scribbling you combine the both and 00:57:10.670 --> 00:57:16.269 you evolved into what you are now and um yeah 00:57:16.269 --> 00:57:21.360 it's been really great to learn from you um I 00:57:21.360 --> 00:57:23.920 want to kind of like open it up for anybody that 00:57:23.920 --> 00:57:25.940 is down that would like to ask you a question 00:57:25.940 --> 00:57:30.199 for a few minutes before I kind of round up. 00:57:30.619 --> 00:57:33.760 In case you do have like a question for Ishika, 00:57:33.920 --> 00:57:36.760 you could make a request and I would bring you 00:57:36.760 --> 00:57:42.199 up. I know Venus is struggling with her Internet. 00:57:42.440 --> 00:57:46.280 I know that pretty sure. Celestial, thank you 00:57:46.280 --> 00:57:49.679 for joining our talk and also Lightning. Thank 00:57:49.679 --> 00:57:53.039 you for being here. And these are the times, 00:57:53.059 --> 00:57:57.199 Vulcan, where you do all these little spaces 00:57:57.199 --> 00:58:01.880 and you see the people who really cared for you 00:58:01.880 --> 00:58:08.800 to be. Staying up for you, it shows. And Kafan, 00:58:08.800 --> 00:58:11.519 you mentioned like, what am I learning each day? 00:58:11.679 --> 00:58:14.380 This is also another beautiful learning, you 00:58:14.380 --> 00:58:20.019 know, like who really care and where do you matter 00:58:20.019 --> 00:58:24.420 the most? All these spaces help me a lot. But 00:58:24.420 --> 00:58:28.360 yes, Vulcan, I think celestial is trying to come 00:58:28.360 --> 00:58:39.239 up. GM, everybody. What's going on? How are you 00:58:39.239 --> 00:58:43.159 doing? I'm amazing. What's up? How are you doing? 00:58:43.519 --> 00:58:48.079 I'm doing great. Yeah. Do you have a question 00:58:48.079 --> 00:58:52.260 for Ishika? Not really a question. I just want 00:58:52.260 --> 00:58:57.119 to, first of all, congrats on your master's degree. 00:58:58.019 --> 00:59:03.079 That's amazing. I haven't gotten to talk to you 00:59:03.079 --> 00:59:05.780 about it, but that's really, I'm pretty, pretty, 00:59:05.820 --> 00:59:14.300 pretty happy for you. And I, Kafani... Yeah, 00:59:14.320 --> 00:59:17.920 Kafani is in a place like... He's always, always... 00:59:17.920 --> 00:59:22.440 Very good to talk. Yeah. But, Ishika! It's been 00:59:22.440 --> 00:59:29.170 ages I spoke to you last. I... I'm amazed to 00:59:29.170 --> 00:59:32.750 listen to you talk right now. And I just, I came 00:59:32.750 --> 00:59:35.670 up specifically because you said something. You 00:59:35.670 --> 00:59:39.449 said you need to appreciate your little wins. 00:59:39.769 --> 00:59:42.389 And that is something I keep telling myself and 00:59:42.389 --> 00:59:46.510 I keep falling short of. Like I keep, you know, 00:59:46.510 --> 00:59:50.989 sacrificing those little wins. I'm like, you're 00:59:50.989 --> 00:59:55.510 saying this and yeah, that is. It spoke to me. 00:59:55.510 --> 00:59:59.429 It touched me. And, yeah, for sure, I'm going 00:59:59.429 --> 01:00:04.530 to, you know, try to appreciate those reads and 01:00:04.530 --> 01:00:08.710 take that break that is needed. And that's very 01:00:08.710 --> 01:00:11.510 thoughtful of you to say. And you know your art 01:00:11.510 --> 01:00:15.530 is fire. You're an amazing artist. And you're 01:00:15.530 --> 01:00:19.530 a great mother. You're an amazing tutor. You're 01:00:19.530 --> 01:00:24.030 an art lover. And, yeah, we appreciate you. We 01:00:24.030 --> 01:00:26.230 are blessed to have you in space. Thank you. 01:00:28.449 --> 01:00:34.730 That was so beautiful, Celestial. And thank you 01:00:34.730 --> 01:00:41.449 for all the nice and very kind words. I told 01:00:41.449 --> 01:00:46.530 it from my experience, Celestial, because, you 01:00:46.530 --> 01:00:50.889 know, I try to do that. All those little wins 01:00:50.889 --> 01:00:54.489 that no one knows about. And sometimes I do it 01:00:54.489 --> 01:00:58.809 for myself only because I don't have to prove 01:00:58.809 --> 01:01:03.829 anything to anyone anymore, Celestial. I think 01:01:03.829 --> 01:01:09.969 it's okay when maybe most of them don't yet understand 01:01:09.969 --> 01:01:14.989 the side of your story. They don't know you completely 01:01:14.989 --> 01:01:21.389 and it's okay. I feel like there is no force 01:01:21.389 --> 01:01:27.730 and there is. Yes, there is no wait for any more 01:01:27.730 --> 01:01:31.150 validation. I know what I'm doing. I know I'm 01:01:31.150 --> 01:01:35.389 winning tiny bit here and there. And I'm happy. 01:01:35.469 --> 01:01:39.010 I'm absolutely happy with that. Very proud as 01:01:39.010 --> 01:01:43.369 well of that, because I know my my story very 01:01:43.369 --> 01:01:47.969 well and how brave I have been. through this 01:01:47.969 --> 01:01:52.250 storm. And I'm happier. I'm much happier and 01:01:52.250 --> 01:01:57.650 much brighter. I'm smiling a lot. I'm much more 01:01:57.650 --> 01:02:02.030 relaxed. So all those pressure when you keep 01:02:02.030 --> 01:02:05.869 yourself far from those pressures, actually you 01:02:05.869 --> 01:02:10.030 are enjoying life in full glory. But big hugs. 01:02:10.190 --> 01:02:13.030 Very, very kind words. Kafani, I see your hand. 01:02:18.159 --> 01:02:21.320 um yeah i just wanted to say hi celestial boy 01:02:21.320 --> 01:02:24.619 and yeah basically what he said about the wings 01:02:24.619 --> 01:02:27.800 i feel like people take it for granted when we 01:02:27.800 --> 01:02:30.360 you know build up the little wings basically 01:02:30.360 --> 01:02:32.659 it's the little wind that builds up to big the 01:02:32.659 --> 01:02:34.860 big wing because if you don't start from somewhere 01:02:34.860 --> 01:02:37.260 if you don't build it up little by little it's 01:02:37.260 --> 01:02:39.440 never going to be big and i just feel like everybody 01:02:39.440 --> 01:02:42.239 should keep remembering to be graceful because 01:02:42.239 --> 01:02:44.519 if you look back Where you wanted to be seven 01:02:44.519 --> 01:02:47.639 years ago is probably where you are right now. 01:02:47.820 --> 01:02:49.599 And I'm sure seven years ago, you would have 01:02:49.599 --> 01:02:51.380 never thought it would be possible to be here 01:02:51.380 --> 01:02:54.000 right now. So I just want us to always be grateful 01:02:54.000 --> 01:02:57.300 for, you know, how we've gotten to where we are. 01:02:57.500 --> 01:02:59.980 It might not be where we want to be, but at least 01:02:59.980 --> 01:03:02.300 it's somewhere. Yeah, that's just what I wanted 01:03:02.300 --> 01:03:08.159 to say. Thank you, Kafani. Thank you, Celestia 01:03:08.159 --> 01:03:12.940 Boy, for coming up to speak with us. Yeah, for 01:03:12.940 --> 01:03:17.659 talking about Ishika and her marvellous art. 01:03:18.539 --> 01:03:21.460 Yeah. Thank you, Selesha Boya. I appreciate it. 01:03:22.119 --> 01:03:27.559 I see Venus is here. Yes, Venus. Hello, everyone. 01:03:28.679 --> 01:03:35.800 Hello, Ishika. I came up to just add something, 01:03:35.960 --> 01:03:41.110 my opinion about Ishika. That's how much I admire 01:03:41.110 --> 01:03:47.170 her, her inconsistency in making art, in making 01:03:47.170 --> 01:03:52.469 friends, making community and everything. And 01:03:52.469 --> 01:04:01.530 I believe in her and I admire her for what she 01:04:01.530 --> 01:04:07.139 has done. during these few years in nft because 01:04:07.139 --> 01:04:13.880 i remember her since first day she didn't change 01:04:13.880 --> 01:04:19.480 and in terms of her personality how she treated 01:04:19.480 --> 01:04:26.539 with others support support others and make her 01:04:26.539 --> 01:04:35.750 art in her procedure She was always there for 01:04:35.750 --> 01:04:40.909 her friends and support new artists, new coming 01:04:40.909 --> 01:04:47.769 artists. And that's adorable. Keep shining, Ishika. 01:04:50.929 --> 01:04:54.150 Thank you so much, Venus. Thank you for coming 01:04:54.150 --> 01:04:57.010 up. I know you struggle a lot with internet and 01:04:57.010 --> 01:05:03.840 it means a lot. Yes, the thing is, Venus, since 01:05:03.840 --> 01:05:10.659 my day one in this space, I tried to be that 01:05:10.659 --> 01:05:15.579 someone I was missing in my own life. My own 01:05:15.579 --> 01:05:20.559 journey has been quite lonely. And I had questions 01:05:20.559 --> 01:05:25.500 that I had no one to be asking. You know, guidance, 01:05:25.960 --> 01:05:30.639 little support. Or just little kindness. Just 01:05:30.639 --> 01:05:33.980 listen to me. Just say I'm doing the right thing. 01:05:34.260 --> 01:05:38.420 Just look at my heart and tell me what did you 01:05:38.420 --> 01:05:42.460 like there. You know, so that person, that figure, 01:05:42.599 --> 01:05:47.320 I was badly missing in my own journey. So I wanted 01:05:47.320 --> 01:05:52.300 to be that someone for others. And from that 01:05:52.300 --> 01:05:56.650 wish. I started doing my own little spaces. I 01:05:56.650 --> 01:06:02.449 still do that with full, like my heart is so 01:06:02.449 --> 01:06:07.510 full. My heart is so happy telling people, I 01:06:07.510 --> 01:06:11.150 believe in you and your art and I'm doing it. 01:06:13.099 --> 01:06:17.360 Not to say nice things about you. I'm doing it 01:06:17.360 --> 01:06:21.119 so that you believe in yourself more. We need 01:06:21.119 --> 01:06:24.139 you. We need more art and we need more artists. 01:06:24.280 --> 01:06:30.400 Right. So that was the reason from my day one, 01:06:30.460 --> 01:06:35.320 Venus. And still now I will be there. And if 01:06:35.320 --> 01:06:38.820 someone is very new, having a lot of questions 01:06:38.820 --> 01:06:43.480 and doubts and confusions, I. I literally, I 01:06:43.480 --> 01:06:49.579 feel very, I'm a big empath. And I literally 01:06:49.579 --> 01:06:54.119 become their big sister and trying to hold their 01:06:54.119 --> 01:06:58.099 hand saying, we'll be just fine. Keep hoping 01:06:58.099 --> 01:07:01.820 and keep making art. Keep smiling and keep shining. 01:07:02.099 --> 01:07:06.880 I'm a very positive person because the whole 01:07:06.880 --> 01:07:10.500 world is literally full of doubts and confusions 01:07:10.500 --> 01:07:14.760 and hatred. Too much of negativity is everywhere. 01:07:15.340 --> 01:07:21.139 So let's try to change a little bit of this falling 01:07:21.139 --> 01:07:24.360 world one day at a time, one step at a time. 01:07:24.440 --> 01:07:27.059 Venus, big hugs. And Vulcan, thank you for the 01:07:27.059 --> 01:07:29.920 space. I really appreciated all the questions 01:07:29.920 --> 01:07:33.239 and the discussions. It was amazing. Thank you 01:07:33.239 --> 01:07:39.539 for having me. Thank you, Ishika. Thank you for... 01:07:40.570 --> 01:07:43.210 giving me the opportunity to interview you. And 01:07:43.210 --> 01:07:47.510 it's been a great episode so far. I would like 01:07:47.510 --> 01:07:55.730 to round up this episode. So, yeah, I'll go with... 01:07:55.730 --> 01:07:59.929 Normally, it's usually Kafani that does this. 01:08:00.389 --> 01:08:06.909 But she's kind of like... But she's kind of like 01:08:06.909 --> 01:08:11.800 in transit now. I'm going to go start with. Hello, 01:08:11.840 --> 01:08:14.539 everyone. I'm Vulcan. This is the fourth episode 01:08:14.539 --> 01:08:17.920 of Art Unframed. And today, we'll discuss with 01:08:17.920 --> 01:08:21.140 Ishika on the art of self -expression and how 01:08:21.140 --> 01:08:24.520 we connect our identity to our creative process. 01:08:24.960 --> 01:08:27.680 And thank you, Ishika, for talking about that 01:08:27.680 --> 01:08:32.180 with us. Kafani is our co -host. And you can 01:08:32.180 --> 01:08:36.640 tune in to the podcast, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, 01:08:37.000 --> 01:08:41.500 or anywhere you listen to your podcasts. Thank 01:08:41.500 --> 01:08:48.180 you. And goodbye, everyone. Bye, Vulcan. Bye.